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| 00:34.41 | menotume | ahhh, good to see you are here, trepan |
| 00:36.22 | menotume | and, now i see your commit |
| 00:36.22 | menotume | ~trepan++ |
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| 00:43.50 | trepan | menotume: changed it a little bit more than i had originally intended to ;) |
| 00:44.17 | menotume | i bet :) |
| 00:44.21 | menotume | i haven't looked yet |
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| 01:12.30 | bryjen | ping Thumper_ |
| 01:13.55 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bzflag.norang.ca:5165 |
| 01:15.07 | bryjen | i did a /flag reset unused there and the server crashed (or at least disconnected everyone) shortly after. when people came back, a few kept going NR. may need some attention |
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| 01:16.31 | RPG_ | to add to the problem: occassionaly, when someone does a flag reset, I get an error message in the BZFlag console, something about a ::Loop() |
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| 01:27.54 | Thumper_ | bryjen: pong |
| 01:28.17 | Thumper_ | hmmm ok.. it's running today's CVS |
| 01:34.31 | Thumper_ | bryjen: I've seen that happen before |
| 01:34.52 | Thumper_ | server didn't crash - but it floods my network bandwidth for some reason |
| 01:34.54 | blast007 | RPG_: the loop is because your client is getting a lot of flag info |
| 01:35.08 | blast007 | ServerRead::Loop() or some such |
| 01:35.20 | RPG_ | yes! that' sit! |
| 01:35.23 | RPG_ | it's read though |
| 01:35.26 | RPG_ | looks like an error message |
| 01:35.46 | Tupone | udp message processed in more then 250 msec IIRC |
| 01:36.20 | Thumper_ | 9 players in a row disconnected with ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 01:36.35 | Thumper_ | including bryjen |
| 01:37.52 | Thumper_ | and if it's UDP some of it gets lost |
| 01:38.06 | Thumper_ | but I'm guessing... |
| 01:38.24 | Thumper_ | and my little 800kpbs uplink can't handle it |
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| 01:55.12 | JeffM2501 | BZBot`, nick GuuToo |
| 01:55.20 | JeffM2501 | GuuToo, flush |
| 01:55.20 | GuuToo | JeffM2501: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:55.31 | JeffM2501 | wow she's borring :) |
| 01:55.51 | JeffM2501 | have to fix that when I get home :) |
| 01:57.16 | orchid | GuuToo: version |
| 01:57.17 | GuuToo | orchid: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.1. |
| 01:57.49 | JeffM2501 | have to move all the data over from current guu then do the swap |
| 01:58.04 | brlcad | Guu: version |
| 01:58.10 | Guu | brlcad: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.0pre2. The newest version available online is 0.83.1. |
| 01:58.32 | JeffM2501 | GuuToo, nick BZBot |
| 01:58.38 | JeffM2501 | BZBot, flush |
| 01:58.39 | BZBot | JeffM2501: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:08.21 | JeffM2501 | guu config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars + |
| 02:08.21 | Guu | JeffM2501: okay |
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| 02:13.47 | devster | JeffM2501: u got any time sync problems on your amd64x2 linux box? |
| 02:14.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm not at home |
| 02:14.33 | devster | well have you noticed any at all? (i mean the clock gaining time) |
| 02:14.47 | JeffM2501 | havn't seen any |
| 02:14.54 | devster | hmm |
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| 02:57.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/logDetail/logDetail.cpp: Provide default IP and callsign text when player no longer exists |
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| 03:44.14 | RPG_ | how do you get the process list in Linux? |
| 03:44.51 | DTRemenak | ps |
| 03:45.30 | RPG_ | i mean the graphical one |
| 03:45.46 | JeffM2501 | then you are talking about your x shell |
| 03:45.48 | DTRemenak | run your terminal, then run ps ;) |
| 03:45.49 | JeffM2501 | not linux |
| 03:46.21 | RPG_ | ok, my X shell |
| 03:46.33 | JeffM2501 | your window manager may have installed one |
| 03:46.35 | JeffM2501 | or it may not have |
| 03:46.41 | JeffM2501 | just use the terminal |
| 03:46.47 | RPG_ | it only shows 2 processes |
| 03:46.49 | RPG_ | bash and ps |
| 03:46.55 | DTRemenak | then do ps ax |
| 03:47.20 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do? |
| 03:47.21 | RPG_ | ok thanks |
| 03:47.30 | RPG_ | kill some extra processes i started |
| 03:47.34 | RPG_ | i just got a SSH server running |
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| 03:48.13 | DTRemenak | killall is your friend too |
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| 04:02.55 | orchid | ~x es en que no me vas hacer caso |
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| 05:11.55 | bz4019 | Hi nooby question here |
| 05:12.14 | bz4019 | Installed bzflag fine, what is the command to start the game i am running suse 10 |
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| 07:36.34 | ToughShooter | bzbb admins: Spam in "Registration Issues" one more time |
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| 07:49.10 | Bozo1 | DTRemenak, can you go to icq? |
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| 12:40.10 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Ciao |
| 12:40.28 | Tupone | ToughShooter: hi |
| 12:48.57 | Tupone | ToughShooter: any news on the lag/jitter side |
| 12:51.26 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I can show you the effect now |
| 12:51.56 | Tupone | ahh, now ? :( I have to go back again with my sources ? |
| 12:52.01 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I've compiled two servers where one should be affected and the other not |
| 12:52.35 | ToughShooter | and the newest built still seems to be affected |
| 12:52.53 | Tupone | can you describe me the effect |
| 12:53.08 | ToughShooter | Wanna come and see it on my server? |
| 12:53.38 | Tupone | I cannot now, my source are again changed and incompatible :( |
| 12:54.02 | Tupone | I should save the change and restore CVS |
| 12:54.07 | ToughShooter | ok. :/ |
| 12:55.04 | Tupone | doing that, but it'll take some time |
| 12:57.30 | Tupone | compiling |
| 13:01.57 | Tupone | ToughShooter: hostname and ports ? |
| 13:23.35 | ToughShooter | It seems like it was just mouse acceleration and shooting used equal while testing on both server versions |
| 13:24.56 | Tupone | k |
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| 13:27.22 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Sorry for wasting your time :( |
| 13:27.39 | Tupone | no waste |
| 13:51.18 | Blue_Eyes | Ciao Tupone |
| 13:52.12 | _Manu_ | hallo ToughShooter :) |
| 13:52.27 | Tupone | ciao Blue_Eyes |
| 14:13.34 | ToughShooter | ¡Hola _Manu_! :) |
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| 15:09.33 | ep | hi |
| 15:10.19 | ep | I always lurk in her, but never say nothing. So I said 'hi' |
| 15:10.50 | Tupone | we are waiting for that since years. Thanks :) |
| 15:12.39 | ep | hehe |
| 15:15.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (12 files in 5 dirs): All packets related to players have the player-id inside the message |
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| 15:45.14 | JasonF | everytime I load up bzflag (on windows) in fullscreen mode, it always picks some sync outside the range of my monitor |
| 15:45.19 | JasonF | any ideas on how to make it behave? |
| 15:46.26 | Tupone | go in window mode, and set the resolution with option->display |
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| 15:48.09 | JasonF | I just did that |
| 15:48.16 | JasonF | and it is still bugging out |
| 15:48.32 | JasonF | 1024*768@60 is significantly less of a rez than I'm runnign now |
| 15:50.05 | JasonF | it's like it isn't saving my settings |
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| 16:21.52 | bz6295 | hi |
| 16:23.38 | _Manu_ | hi |
| 16:25.45 | nelsonogo | hey |
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| 16:38.20 | ruskie | hmmm how well would bzflag run on a p2 366 with 128mb ram and some neomagic oddity for a graphics card |
| 16:39.31 | nelsonogo | ha ha ha you have a sony c1xs vaio huh |
| 16:39.39 | nelsonogo | or maybe an old dell |
| 16:40.41 | ruskie | dell |
| 16:40.53 | ruskie | latitude cpi a366st |
| 16:40.55 | ruskie | just got it |
| 16:41.02 | ruskie | it's enough for what I need it... |
| 16:41.06 | ruskie | just curious how it would work :) |
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| 17:05.53 | Grumbler | hawaii! |
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| 17:22.54 | nelsonogo | I have one they are okay for internet and suck |
| 17:22.56 | nelsonogo | such] |
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| 18:28.38 | FireCracker | Hi guys, I am having problems with BZflag, I just install Breezy (ubuntu) and everything works except on one map, Loumans lazer mania, when I run it from the console I get a segmentation fault |
| 18:29.34 | FireCracker | This map works fine on windows, and it also works fine on ubuntu bz version 2.0.2 |
| 18:31.06 | londonboi2k3 | Are any of you about ;) |
| 18:31.06 | JeffM2501 | you are using 2.0.4 now? |
| 18:31.12 | londonboi2k3 | hey there |
| 18:31.12 | londonboi2k3 | yes |
| 18:31.16 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 18:31.37 | londonboi2k3 | its only on 2.0.4 that I cant use it under linux, also its a fresh install too |
| 18:31.52 | londonboi2k3 | and further more, its only on this one map |
| 18:31.57 | JeffM2501 | built from source or from a package? |
| 18:32.09 | Grumbler | isnt ruskie an ubuntu user |
| 18:32.14 | londonboi2k3 | its from a deb |
| 18:32.15 | ruskie | nope |
| 18:32.27 | ruskie | I'm a source mage users and developer :) |
| 18:32.30 | JeffM2501 | you may want to build it from source |
| 18:32.31 | ruskie | -s |
| 18:33.11 | Grumbler | i knew it was something strange ;) |
| 18:33.14 | londonboi2k3 | Can you point me in the right direction of a howto for 2.0.4 from source |
| 18:33.15 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:33.23 | ruskie | londonboi2k3, download the source tarball |
| 18:33.26 | ruskie | run ./configure |
| 18:33.27 | ruskie | make |
| 18:33.29 | ruskie | make install :) |
| 18:33.34 | londonboi2k3 | ok, ill try, one min |
| 18:33.43 | Grumbler | does configure run autogen |
| 18:33.46 | Grumbler | now? |
| 18:33.46 | ruskie | hmm |
| 18:33.55 | ruskie | guess nobody generated configure |
| 18:34.05 | ruskie | so I guess substute configure with autogen |
| 18:34.37 | Grumbler | there is a readme included with cvs that has/had instructions |
| 18:36.20 | londonboi2k3 | opps, forgot to install gcc etc silly me |
| 18:37.12 | JeffM2501 | there is a readme in the source on how to build |
| 18:37.16 | JeffM2501 | and what libs you will need |
| 18:37.40 | londonboi2k3 | ok, I am being told that libcurl is not installed, but i have libcurl installed? |
| 18:38.24 | JeffM2501 | you need libcurl dev |
| 18:38.29 | JeffM2501 | and sdl dev |
| 18:38.47 | londonboi2k3 | what is SDL? |
| 18:38.59 | JeffM2501 | Simple Direct Media Layer |
| 18:39.16 | JeffM2501 | it's what bzflag uses for window managment, sound, input, and stuff |
| 18:39.18 | londonboi2k3 | I mean as the package name? sorry! Not so hot on librarys, only to switched fill time |
| 18:39.25 | londonboi2k3 | to linux |
| 18:39.28 | JeffM2501 | sdl dev |
| 18:39.41 | JeffM2501 | should be able to search for it in synaptic |
| 18:40.08 | JeffM2501 | it will probalby be like libsdl1.2-dev |
| 18:40.10 | JeffM2501 | or soemthing |
| 18:40.28 | londonboi2k3 | ahhh found it thanks JeffM2501 |
| 18:41.11 | londonboi2k3 | ok just ran make, so should be sorted in a while |
| 18:41.52 | londonboi2k3 | funnily enough, I can live without all the windows based software, but the one thing I can not live without is bzflag, sad isnt it ;) |
| 18:42.12 | londonboi2k3 | so getting it to work is very important to me ;) |
| 18:42.15 | Grumbler | yes, seek medical attention |
| 18:42.20 | londonboi2k3 | lol |
| 18:42.24 | JeffM2501 | building isn't that hard |
| 18:42.35 | londonboi2k3 | well I have been playing it for years not I think |
| 18:43.02 | londonboi2k3 | JeffM2501, true, but its getting used to know what libraries I need to install and the dev stuff, but I am getting there |
| 18:44.27 | londonboi2k3 | do either of you here visit loumans? cant say I recongnise your username |
| 18:47.10 | Grumbler | not lately |
| 18:47.21 | Grumbler | a bit caught up with COD2 |
| 18:47.48 | londonboi2k3 | COD2 whats that? |
| 18:47.49 | Grumbler | getting a little tired of the aim bots though....so a switch back is likely to occur |
| 18:48.11 | menotume | one word: GAIM |
| 18:48.30 | Grumbler | menotume: is that really a word, or an acronym |
| 18:48.39 | menotume | 4 letters: GAIM |
| 18:49.11 | menotume | 4 words: GAIM is better |
| 18:49.50 | JeffM2501 | Call Of Duty 2 |
| 18:50.00 | JeffM2501 | Trillian |
| 18:50.07 | JeffM2501 | Trillian is better then Gaim |
| 18:50.19 | Grumbler | beer is better than trillian |
| 18:50.26 | londonboi2k3 | Ahhhh, ok, I used to play counter strike, never played call of duty tho |
| 18:50.29 | JeffM2501 | beer with trillian is better then anything |
| 18:50.42 | Grumbler | better than chocolate cookies? |
| 18:50.45 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:51.12 | Grumbler | better than chocolate cookies and screech |
| 18:51.35 | JeffM2501 | trillian -> http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0371724/Ss/0371724/HGC-133S-41R2.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Deschanel,%20Zooey |
| 18:53.06 | menotume | ahh, for winDoze, trillian may be better |
| 18:53.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is win only |
| 18:53.17 | JeffM2501 | sadly |
| 18:53.36 | JeffM2501 | tho like gaim it's IRC compoenet sucks |
| 18:53.38 | londonboi2k3 | yeah, hence why I have not played it in ages.... but still it was fun :) |
| 18:53.49 | menotume | gaim for win isn't quite as good as gaim for *nix IMO |
| 18:53.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:54.11 | JeffM2501 | GTK on windows isn't so hot |
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| 18:57.12 | londonboi2k3 | opps closed the wrong window down, anyways, its compiled and installed from source but still getting the same error |
| 18:58.28 | londonboi2k3 | segmentation fault :) |
| 18:58.47 | Grumbler | is it just after joining, or after playing a bit |
| 18:59.21 | Grumbler | fyi, i am not a real dev, but i did stay at a holiday inn last night |
| 18:59.28 | londonboi2k3 | what happens is, I look for server > select loumans > loads maps etc > then b4 I enter the map it crashes |
| 19:00.35 | londonboi2k3 | is there a command at the consle I can give to give some more information other then segmentation fault |
| 19:00.37 | JeffM2501 | sounds like a bug then |
| 19:00.47 | JeffM2501 | you could debug it in GDB |
| 19:01.05 | londonboi2k3 | well 2.0.4 works on other distros and on windows? |
| 19:01.07 | londonboi2k3 | GDB? |
| 19:01.10 | JeffM2501 | but tht's more of a developer thing |
| 19:01.11 | Thumper_ | londonboi2k3: ATI video card ? |
| 19:01.15 | ToughShooter | the gnu debugger |
| 19:01.16 | londonboi2k3 | Thumper_, yeah |
| 19:01.23 | londonboi2k3 | ToughShooter, ahh ok |
| 19:01.24 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 19:01.28 | londonboi2k3 | its the 9200 |
| 19:01.35 | JeffM2501 | what drivers do you have? |
| 19:01.55 | londonboi2k3 | ubuntu packed drivers, same as I used on hoary |
| 19:02.16 | londonboi2k3 | but this is a fresh install, its only 2.0.4 I have a problem with not the 2.0.2 |
| 19:02.17 | JeffM2501 | you may want to see if there are newer ones from ATI directly |
| 19:02.21 | londonboi2k3 | or ones b4 |
| 19:02.24 | Thumper_ | londonboi2k3: ATI's prop. driver is a bit buggy |
| 19:02.54 | londonboi2k3 | I have a nvidia card somewhere, but I broke it by dropping it :( could have tried that, |
| 19:03.08 | Thumper_ | try /localset noMeshClusters 1 and /localset meshLists 1 |
| 19:03.31 | Thumper_ | not sure if that is available int he 2.0.4 tarball though |
| 19:03.36 | Thumper_ | it works with a cvs build |
| 19:03.56 | londonboi2k3 | oh, the other thing is! which is interesting thing is, if I dont install the deb, and use the obsk packeges, it works, but once the deb is installed it kills it forever |
| 19:04.08 | Grumbler | he would have to put that in the config file ? Thumper_ |
| 19:04.09 | londonboi2k3 | obisk or something like that |
| 19:04.20 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 supports new map graphical features that 2.0.2 dosn't |
| 19:04.30 | JeffM2501 | so it's posible you have a bug with one of the new features |
| 19:04.45 | Grumbler | ...and louman uses new features like candy |
| 19:04.48 | Thumper_ | Grumbler: I think it saves to config if you set it... but I could be wrong |
| 19:04.51 | Thumper_ | it's in my config as |
| 19:04.55 | Thumper_ | #set meshLists 1 |
| 19:04.55 | Thumper_ | set noMeshClusters 1 |
| 19:04.56 | JeffM2501 | louman is the reason we add new features |
| 19:05.00 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:05.07 | londonboi2k3 | using this bzflag-2.0.4.20050930-i386-Opkg.tar.gz from bz site works |
| 19:05.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing it's puking on the draw info and the vbos |
| 19:05.24 | londonboi2k3 | but if I install or compile myself then it fails, |
| 19:05.27 | JeffM2501 | ATI is bad at those |
| 19:05.46 | JeffM2501 | you could turn of fancy drawing |
| 19:05.53 | londonboi2k3 | how is that done? |
| 19:06.00 | londonboi2k3 | with the commans above? |
| 19:06.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a config thing |
| 19:06.02 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 19:06.07 | londonboi2k3 | ok thanks |
| 19:06.08 | Thumper_ | try the v2_0branch cvs build too |
| 19:06.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah 2.0.5b could help |
| 19:06.24 | Thumper_ | that works better for my ATI card than the 2.0.4 release |
| 19:06.24 | londonboi2k3 | Thumper_, that one went over my head |
| 19:06.27 | Thumper_ | #set meshLists 1 |
| 19:06.27 | Thumper_ | set noMeshClusters 1 |
| 19:06.27 | JeffM2501 | as it has bug fixes and changes for crap ATI cards |
| 19:06.30 | Thumper_ | doh |
| 19:06.33 | Thumper_ | http://bzflag.norang.ca/bzflag-cvs |
| 19:07.11 | JeffM2501 | in your config is a line that says |
| 19:07.12 | JeffM2501 | #set useDrawInfo 1 |
| 19:07.18 | JeffM2501 | make it say set useDrawInfo 10 |
| 19:07.23 | JeffM2501 | sorry just 0 |
| 19:07.25 | JeffM2501 | not 10 |
| 19:07.28 | JeffM2501 | and try that |
| 19:07.33 | JeffM2501 | that will turn off all draw info |
| 19:07.43 | londonboi2k3 | ok, where is the config located, and if that dont work, ill try cvs |
| 19:07.46 | JeffM2501 | if that works then you know you have some draw info problem and can narrow it down |
| 19:07.47 | trepan | na, it's prolly the glDrawArray |
| 19:07.56 | Thumper_ | hi trepan :) |
| 19:07.57 | JeffM2501 | it is ./bzf |
| 19:08.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah ATIs have some bugs with the varous objects |
| 19:08.31 | JeffM2501 | trepan, we don't see any speedup here if we make a VBO on an ATI card |
| 19:08.37 | JeffM2501 | UNLESS it's put into a list |
| 19:08.40 | Thumper_ | londonboi2k3: ~/.bzf/2.0/config (for me) |
| 19:08.58 | trepan | JeffM2501: VBO's aren't being used at all |
| 19:09.11 | londonboi2k3 | Thumper_, Got it but the set useDrawInfo 10 is # out |
| 19:09.19 | londonboi2k3 | Thumper_, Got it but the set useDrawInfo 1 is # out |
| 19:09.24 | JeffM2501 | you took those out |
| 19:09.25 | trepan | the change in CVS from 2.0.4 is the the glDrawArrays are shoved into lists |
| 19:09.25 | Thumper_ | londonboi2k3: that's the default (1) |
| 19:09.37 | trepan | JeffM2501: no, they were never in |
| 19:09.45 | londonboi2k3 | so should I un comment it and change it to 0 |
| 19:09.47 | JeffM2501 | oh I thought you were doing VBOs |
| 19:09.52 | trepan | the prob. is described in the commit |
| 19:09.58 | trepan | i have them locally, have never committed |
| 19:10.00 | JeffM2501 | well the arrays in lists will help |
| 19:10.04 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:10.17 | JeffM2501 | I allways get confused as to what you have in :) |
| 19:10.29 | trepan | JeffM2501: ATI driver (linux at least) kack on the glDrawArray command if it isn't in a list |
| 19:10.40 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 19:10.47 | trepan | not really |
| 19:10.47 | Thumper_ | londonboi2k3: the cvs source works better (for me) than the 2.0.4 release since it has ATI driver changes for drawing |
| 19:10.49 | trepan | bad driver |
| 19:10.51 | JeffM2501 | londonboi2k3, you need 2.0.5 |
| 19:10.51 | Thumper_ | londonboi2k3: mine used to crash too |
| 19:11.04 | londonboi2k3 | ok, ill get the CVS :) |
| 19:11.05 | JeffM2501 | that's what trepan is saying |
| 19:11.09 | trepan | current 2.0.5 has glDrawArray's for fancy flags ;) |
| 19:11.12 | JeffM2501 | he made a change |
| 19:11.34 | JeffM2501 | londonboi2k3, you need the v2_0branch of cvs |
| 19:11.36 | JeffM2501 | not it's head |
| 19:11.51 | londonboi2k3 | JeffM2501, is that http://bzflag.norang.ca/bzflag-cvs |
| 19:11.53 | JeffM2501 | and people wonder why I hate ATI |
| 19:12.14 | JeffM2501 | yes that will get you the branch |
| 19:12.20 | trepan | for 2.0.4, 'set noMeshClusters 1' should do the trick |
| 19:12.28 | londonboi2k3 | ok, and will it overwrite the current install? |
| 19:12.30 | JeffM2501 | he can build from source |
| 19:12.36 | JeffM2501 | so just have him upgrade :) |
| 19:12.55 | trepan | if he already has 2.0.4, easier to check it first |
| 19:13.49 | londonboi2k3 | ok im downloading from cvs atm |
| 19:14.51 | londonboi2k3 | hmm that should be buy |
| 19:15.11 | JeffM2501 | the 9200 isn't realy a fast card |
| 19:15.48 | londonboi2k3 | no I know, it was what came with the computer |
| 19:16.52 | londonboi2k3 | ok im getting an error on the cvs build, its not that big should I paste it |
| 19:17.01 | londonboi2k3 | two lines |
| 19:17.33 | trepan | just wasted 2 lines asking... |
| 19:17.53 | londonboi2k3 | yeah I know, but I get told off in other places for pasting ;) |
| 19:17.59 | londonboi2k3 | ERROR: To prepare the BZFlag build system from scratch, |
| 19:17.59 | londonboi2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.07 | trepan | update automake |
| 19:18.11 | JeffM2501 | you need to upgrade your automake |
| 19:18.18 | JeffM2501 | use synaptic |
| 19:18.18 | londonboi2k3 | But I have only 1.4.6 installed, which is the highest on ubuntu |
| 19:18.23 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 19:18.41 | JeffM2501 | guu debian version automake |
| 19:18.50 | londonboi2k3 | opps my bad, thats what I get for using apt-get ;) |
| 19:18.51 | Guu | JeffM2501: 16 matches found: automake (oldstable: 1:1.4-p4-1.1); automake1.4 (stable: 1:1.4-p6-9); automake1.4 (testing: 1:1.4-p6-9); automake1.4 (unstable: 1:1.4-p6-9); automake1.5 (oldstable: 1.5-1.1); automake1.6 (stable: 1.6.3-12); automake1.6 (unstable: 1.6.3-12); automake1.7 (stable: 1.7.9-7); automake1.7 (testing: 1.7.9-7); automake1.7 (unstable: 1.7.9-7); automake1.8 (stable: 1.8.5-3); (1 more message) |
| 19:19.41 | londonboi2k3 | ok, will 1.9 be ok? |
| 19:19.51 | JeffM2501 | should be |
| 19:20.36 | londonboi2k3 | ok autogen is running, well I learn something new every day |
| 19:23.57 | trepan | once you get a cvs version compiled, you will need "set flagLists 1" in your config |
| 19:24.28 | londonboi2k3 | trepan, ok, ill give a shoult once its done, what does "set flagLists 1" do? |
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| 19:24.44 | trepan | it'll make your ATI not crash |
| 19:24.58 | londonboi2k3 | cool :) |
| 19:31.51 | londonboi2k3 | trepan, I did not change the config, just wanted to try without changing it and it works fine, no errors |
| 19:32.03 | londonboi2k3 | so this is a 2.0.4 issue then I guess ;) |
| 19:32.41 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 added new ways of drawing stuff |
| 19:32.46 | JeffM2501 | and new map options |
| 19:33.02 | JeffM2501 | and your card did not support them in the standard open GL method |
| 19:33.04 | JeffM2501 | it crashes |
| 19:33.17 | JeffM2501 | so a fix was made to make it work for crapy ATI cards |
| 19:33.43 | trepan | for 2.0.4, 'set noMeshClusters 1' should work |
| 19:33.49 | londonboi2k3 | So I guess, rule of thumb "NO to ATI" ;) |
| 19:34.01 | EbErT | crappy ati cards? |
| 19:34.07 | JeffM2501 | depends on what card/driver/OS you run |
| 19:34.15 | JeffM2501 | well I shoudl say crapy ATI drivers |
| 19:34.16 | JeffM2501 | not card |
| 19:34.22 | londonboi2k3 | yeah, but Linux, ATI 9200 = no |
| 19:34.23 | JeffM2501 | ATI makes decent hardware |
| 19:34.25 | trepan | ati linux drivers, dunno about windows |
| 19:35.01 | londonboi2k3 | windows, works fine, but I have GTA Vice city, and with my current card its not playable, so never played it |
| 19:35.36 | trepan | i've got glDrawElements for LOD'ed flags here, we'll see if that works for ATIs |
| 19:35.49 | JeffM2501 | and on a mac :) |
| 19:36.10 | londonboi2k3 | Right guys, thanks all your help and you time, much appreciate it |
| 19:36.20 | londonboi2k3 | Off to shoot some tanks ;) |
| 19:36.28 | EbErT | I had bad framerate problems with my ibook ati card on louman's camelot |
| 19:36.36 | EbErT | turning off radar made it much better |
| 19:36.47 | EbErT | its just that map, its not even that big |
| 19:36.47 | JeffM2501 | probably a low 9x00 or a 7000 |
| 19:36.55 | trepan | radar mode? |
| 19:36.59 | JeffM2501 | they do things those cards to not accelerate well |
| 19:37.08 | EbErT | if you turn radar off, framerate gets better |
| 19:37.17 | trepan | that's always true |
| 19:37.30 | JeffM2501 | radar on means drawing things at least 2x |
| 19:37.32 | EbErT | yes, i just did it to make sure that's what the problem was |
| 19:37.53 | trepan | JeffM2501: depends on the radar range, and much simpler drawing (geo only) |
| 19:37.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:38.00 | trepan | ... and the radar mode |
| 19:38.28 | trepan | well, geo only plus a depth->texture look for the 'fast' modes |
| 19:38.47 | EbErT | maybe there is something about that map that does it- its full of castles, large flags, nonordinary stuff |
| 19:39.02 | EbErT | what do you want to change about radar? |
| 19:39.15 | JeffM2501 | make it more radar like :) |
| 19:39.28 | JeffM2501 | and not just a 2d view of the map |
| 19:39.41 | EbErT | I say there should be a plugin or feature made that shows what country players are from based on ip address. wouldn't that be cool? |
| 19:39.48 | EbErT | yea, that would be nice |
| 19:40.06 | ToughShooter | Ok, I'm in unknown country |
| 19:40.17 | JeffM2501 | what does country matter? |
| 19:40.18 | EbErT | like little pictures of the flag beside callsigns |
| 19:40.45 | EbErT | u could start talking different languages, more opportunity for chat and questions |
| 19:40.55 | EbErT | get a feeling for what time players are playing at |
| 19:41.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: very easy to do, if it weren't for whiners :) |
| 19:41.16 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 19:41.34 | JeffM2501 | none of my ideas are techincaly hard |
| 19:41.38 | JeffM2501 | they are just difrent |
| 19:41.40 | trepan | circular stencil style, with a sweeping arc? |
| 19:41.53 | JeffM2501 | that would be part of it |
| 19:41.58 | trepan | and the rest? |
| 19:42.09 | JeffM2501 | but I'd also want objects to dimiinish the signals range |
| 19:42.16 | JeffM2501 | thicker stuff means less penetration |
| 19:42.29 | trepan | ah, occlusion then |
| 19:42.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:42.45 | JeffM2501 | also do something where objects that move show up on sensors better |
| 19:42.53 | JeffM2501 | at further ranges |
| 19:42.54 | trepan | no you're talking multipass with render to texture + shaders |
| 19:43.06 | JeffM2501 | I personaly don't care how it's rendered :) |
| 19:43.27 | EbErT | make sure you put option to have oldschool radar, for less-able computers |
| 19:43.29 | trepan | s/no/now |
| 19:43.41 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to turn the 'radar" into a generic sensor panel that would be like inputs form many sensor systems, radar, thermal, motion sensor etc.. |
| 19:44.09 | trepan | in a non-bzflag game, that is :) |
| 19:44.14 | JeffM2501 | EbErT, I want to require hardware GL, if you don't have a real card, got no biz playing 3d games :) |
| 19:44.41 | EbErT | hmm i see |
| 19:44.47 | JeffM2501 | yes, all the thigns I want would make it not be bzflag |
| 19:44.59 | EbErT | well, my computer now can handle it, so bring it! |
| 19:45.16 | JeffM2501 | it's not a mater of people's computers handling it |
| 19:45.27 | JeffM2501 | it's a mater of support and motivation |
| 19:45.32 | JeffM2501 | and the fact that I have to go to lunch now |
| 19:45.55 | EbErT | see ya |
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| 20:57.00 | retro | Anyone seen jpa recently? |
| 20:57.39 | ToughShooter | retro: He went after making SilentSwan feel bad a few days ago |
| 20:58.27 | retro | Oh. I was wondering what happened to his server, box.kapsi.fi:50140. I miss playing on ocean's |
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| 21:01.10 | ToughShooter | No idea..but wasn't it empty most of the time? |
| 21:11.46 | ToughShooter | retro: You could send him a private message with bzbb, when he checks his email he should be notified of the message, AFAIK |
| 21:12.07 | ToughShooter | s/of/about |
| 21:12.30 | JeffM2501 | if that's what he has set in his profile |
| 21:18.18 | ToughShooter | heh, I see there is no more "KILLER_1" registered but "KILLER_2" and "KILLER_3" |
| 21:19.21 | BearPerson | probably KILLER_1 is in too many LOCAL.MUTED groups ;-) |
| 21:22.19 | ToughShooter | We need a way to idban him without having him on server |
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| 21:33.18 | JeffM2501 | killer's other 2 names have been removed |
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| 21:41.37 | brad2901 | success? |
| 21:41.54 | Birdie | lol |
| 21:41.59 | brad2901 | :S |
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| 22:08.32 | Water_Wewe | ~seen Ice_Wewe |
| 22:08.42 | ibot | ice_wewe is currently on #bzflag (37m 1s) |
| 22:09.14 | Water_Wewe | ~idle Ice_Wewe |
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| 22:49.12 | Pimpi | ~debian version php5 |
| 22:50.42 | Pimpi | ibot: ? |
| 22:51.03 | Birdie | seems like he doesnt like you |
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| 22:56.28 | TD-Linux | ibot: do you like me? |
| 22:56.30 | ibot | yes, I like me. |
| 22:56.46 | TD-Linux | ibot: do you like Pimpi? |
| 22:56.47 | ibot | yes, I like Pimpi. |
| 22:56.52 | Pimpi | ibot: version |
| 22:56.54 | ibot | somebody said version was woody 3.0 |
| 22:57.05 | Pimpi | even worde |
| 22:57.08 | Pimpi | worse |
| 22:57.46 | Pimpi | ibot: no,version is sarge 3.1 |
| 22:57.49 | ibot | Pimpi: okay |
| 22:57.59 | Pimpi | ibot: version |
| 22:58.01 | ibot | well, version is sarge 3.1 |
| 22:58.33 | TD-Linux | ibot: kde |
| 22:58.34 | ibot | [kde] #kde - meet the community, http://www.kde.org/ |
| 22:58.47 | Pimpi | !debian version 3.1 |
| 22:58.59 | Pimpi | guuuuuuu? |
| 22:59.35 | Pimpi | bots don't like me tonight |
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| 23:08.03 | menotume | <guu> yes, i like pimpi |
| 23:09.11 | Pimpi | ,) |
| 23:09.27 | Pimpi | nite |
| 23:09.51 | menotume | cu |
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| 23:10.19 | Guo | G'nite Pimpi, and I DO like you |
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