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| 00:21.00 | JeffM2501 | damn I love high level network APIs :) |
| 00:36.10 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: deleted? or disabled? |
| 00:36.38 | TimRiker | if you disable, then he needs a new email to register. if you delete, then he can re-register, no? |
| 00:37.02 | JeffM2501 | delete, and ban e-mail :) |
| 00:37.11 | JeffM2501 | as well as disallow name :) |
| 00:37.12 | TimRiker | ah. that'll work. ;-) |
| 00:37.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah, been doing it like that for a while, seems to work ok |
| 00:37.49 | JeffM2501 | basicly he'd have to get a new e-mail addy |
| 00:37.52 | JeffM2501 | and that takes time |
| 00:38.03 | JeffM2501 | usualy they give up after the second account |
| 00:38.31 | JeffM2501 | or after tehy find the name disallowed |
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| 02:05.33 | bz4978 | test |
| 02:05.38 | purple_cow | test failed |
| 02:05.45 | bz4978 | oops |
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| 02:29.42 | wizatcomp | what extension should the plugin be for nix bzflag servers? |
| 02:31.15 | brlcad | .so |
| 02:31.35 | brlcad | you have to --enable-shared to get them |
| 02:31.59 | wizatcomp | i did a full compile i believe |
| 02:32.07 | wizatcomp | erm, i did a configure with no options |
| 02:32.15 | wizatcomp | then built bzfs and everything that it depended on |
| 02:32.34 | wizatcomp | and it created a .la file |
| 02:33.20 | wizatcomp | yup, it seems to create .la rather than .so |
| 02:33.26 | wizatcomp | tried on 2 different plugins |
| 02:34.57 | brlcad | it'll still make the .la |
| 02:35.07 | brlcad | but you have to --enable-shared to get them regardless |
| 02:35.13 | wizatcomp | oh |
| 02:35.14 | wizatcomp | ok |
| 02:35.36 | brlcad | at least for now |
| 02:35.42 | brlcad | until I change the build |
| 02:38.19 | wizatcomp | ok |
| 02:39.41 | wizatcomp | does anyone esle use the dev-c++ file for bzflag |
| 02:39.43 | wizatcomp | the client |
| 02:39.44 | wizatcomp | ? |
| 02:40.00 | RPG_ | usually a blank answer means no ;) |
| 02:40.23 | wizatcomp | RPG_: i like to give people more than 15 seconds to answer :) |
| 02:40.34 | RPG_ | oh |
| 02:40.36 | RPG_ | i don't have timestamps |
| 02:41.35 | RPG_ | nah they take up too much room |
| 02:41.58 | wizatcomp | run your screen at a higher res |
| 02:42.04 | wizatcomp | or just have mm:ss |
| 02:42.04 | RPG_ | can;t |
| 02:42.08 | RPG_ | got a cheap CRT |
| 02:42.11 | wizatcomp | oh |
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| 03:09.02 | AlliedArmour | anyone on? |
| 03:09.34 | AlliedArmour | jeff? |
| 03:09.34 | learner | nope |
| 03:09.37 | AlliedArmour | ahh |
| 03:09.41 | AlliedArmour | tankoo |
| 03:09.44 | RPG | ~seen JeffM2501 |
| 03:09.46 | ibot | jeffm2501 is currently on #bzflag (1h 4m 28s) |
| 03:09.50 | AlliedArmour | ahm |
| 03:10.15 | AlliedArmour | i wanted to talk to him about something |
| 03:10.23 | AlliedArmour | anyone else on? |
| 03:10.45 | learner | ~ask |
| 03:10.47 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 03:10.59 | AlliedArmour | so you said before |
| 03:11.11 | AlliedArmour | i dont have a question |
| 03:11.17 | AlliedArmour | it was something interesting |
| 03:11.18 | brlcad | yet amazingly the simple questions continue :) |
| 03:11.23 | AlliedArmour | hehe |
| 03:11.39 | AlliedArmour | how many of you knew my problem with running a public server? |
| 03:11.44 | RPG | not me |
| 03:11.51 | AlliedArmour | it refused to global auth |
| 03:11.59 | AlliedArmour | players wouldnt turn up registered |
| 03:12.04 | RPG | windows? |
| 03:12.10 | AlliedArmour | jeff told me it was the fault of my Win98 |
| 03:12.15 | AlliedArmour | but i got it working |
| 03:12.16 | RPG | win98! |
| 03:12.18 | RPG | dear god! |
| 03:12.19 | AlliedArmour | yeah |
| 03:12.34 | RPG | to pour on the computer |
| 03:12.39 | AlliedArmour | oh no |
| 03:12.42 | AlliedArmour | not good for it |
| 03:12.45 | AlliedArmour | it's a new computer |
| 03:13.00 | AlliedArmour | Celeron D 2.8GHz |
| 03:13.04 | AlliedArmour | Sapphire Radeon 9250 |
| 03:13.12 | RPG | i suppse you wouldn't want my 9250then? |
| 03:13.21 | AlliedArmour | hehe, what make? |
| 03:13.25 | RPG | radeon |
| 03:13.25 | AlliedArmour | i might very well do |
| 03:13.32 | AlliedArmour | Sapphire's 9250 is not good |
| 03:13.34 | RPG | pisst... it costs money |
| 03:13.35 | AlliedArmour | it's hot |
| 03:13.37 | AlliedArmour | i know |
| 03:13.39 | AlliedArmour | :P |
| 03:13.40 | RPG | hot? |
| 03:13.42 | RPG | as in good looking? |
| 03:13.43 | AlliedArmour | yeah |
| 03:13.45 | AlliedArmour | no |
| 03:13.50 | AlliedArmour | runs hot |
| 03:14.06 | RPG | how hot |
| 03:14.09 | AlliedArmour | i'd rather have a gigabyte/asus, or pwercolor 9250 |
| 03:14.11 | RPG | mins gets up to 140 F |
| 03:14.16 | AlliedArmour | i cant tell |
| 03:14.21 | AlliedArmour | does your have a fan? |
| 03:14.28 | RPG | nope |
| 03:14.33 | AlliedArmour | PCB color? |
| 03:15.27 | AlliedArmour | what's the board colour? |
| 03:16.48 | AlliedArmour | ru there? |
| 03:16.54 | RPG | oh |
| 03:16.56 | RPG | its green |
| 03:16.59 | AlliedArmour | ahh |
| 03:16.59 | RPG | like most chips... |
| 03:17.07 | AlliedArmour | aluminum hs? |
| 03:17.09 | A_Meteorite | Hey all. |
| 03:17.12 | AlliedArmour | METT |
| 03:17.16 | A_Meteorite | :D |
| 03:17.21 | AlliedArmour | Where have you been? |
| 03:17.30 | A_Meteorite | out of town |
| 03:17.34 | AlliedArmour | ahhhh |
| 03:17.51 | AlliedArmour | oh, RPG - do you have any IM? |
| 03:17.54 | A_Meteorite | I got night school of because of it. :D |
| 03:17.58 | AlliedArmour | lol! |
| 03:17.59 | AlliedArmour | good |
| 03:18.22 | RPG | yes |
| 03:18.23 | RPG | AIM |
| 03:18.34 | RPG | well... gaim |
| 03:18.50 | AlliedArmour | ahh, same here |
| 03:18.58 | AlliedArmour | i've got more than AOL tho |
| 03:19.03 | AlliedArmour | arent you on IM met? |
| 03:19.24 | AlliedArmour | rpg, is your 9250 heatsink black? |
| 03:19.29 | BenUrban | is aim back up? |
| 03:19.37 | RPG | no, its silver |
| 03:19.38 | RPG | aim was down? |
| 03:19.44 | BenUrban | it was earlier tonight |
| 03:19.45 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 03:19.53 | A_Meteorite | on now |
| 03:19.59 | AlliedArmour | ah |
| 03:20.11 | AlliedArmour | i cant identify your brand rpg |
| 03:20.19 | RPG | huh? |
| 03:20.30 | AlliedArmour | well, it's not genuine ATi |
| 03:20.35 | RPG | yes it is |
| 03:20.41 | AlliedArmour | well, the VPU is |
| 03:20.41 | RPG | what website are you at? |
| 03:20.57 | AlliedArmour | but other manufacturers make the videocards for ati |
| 03:21.08 | AlliedArmour | like mine's a genuince 9250. but sapphire made the card |
| 03:21.11 | AlliedArmour | non |
| 03:21.18 | AlliedArmour | none, i know the ATi board look |
| 03:21.23 | AlliedArmour | is it low-profile? |
| 03:21.43 | RPG | errrr |
| 03:21.44 | RPG | i dunno |
| 03:21.51 | AlliedArmour | usual VC size or small? |
| 03:21.58 | RPG | dunno |
| 03:21.59 | A_Meteorite | go low-profile! :D |
| 03:22.04 | RPG | i havn't looked at it in awhile |
| 03:22.05 | AlliedArmour | hehe, naw |
| 03:22.22 | A_Meteorite | an itty bitty one |
| 03:22.27 | AlliedArmour | i prefer the coolness of a big one |
| 03:22.38 | AlliedArmour | parts last longer if they're cool |
| 03:22.49 | A_Meteorite | if money was no object I would get a Lian-Li |
| 03:22.50 | RPG | yepp |
| 03:22.53 | A_Meteorite | those are some nice cases |
| 03:23.21 | AlliedArmour | hehe, i prefer the Antec and Thermaltake ones |
| 03:23.32 | A_Meteorite | Antec are nice |
| 03:23.45 | A_Meteorite | but I like side windows... (I don't have one now) |
| 03:23.47 | AlliedArmour | their cases are built for cool running |
| 03:23.57 | AlliedArmour | thermaltake then |
| 03:24.00 | A_Meteorite | I just got a cheap beige case. :P ... :o |
| 03:24.04 | AlliedArmour | me too |
| 03:24.24 | A_Meteorite | I like plain aluminuim though. |
| 03:24.27 | A_Meteorite | simple |
| 03:24.27 | AlliedArmour | wanna see it's pic met? |
| 03:24.28 | A_Meteorite | clean |
| 03:24.31 | A_Meteorite | sure :) |
| 03:24.34 | AlliedArmour | I have a aluminum case |
| 03:24.37 | A_Meteorite | oh! |
| 03:24.44 | A_Meteorite | :P |
| 03:24.50 | AlliedArmour | http://www.jomitech.com/jkb/MyComputer_front.jpg |
| 03:24.56 | AlliedArmour | hehe, it bends EASILY |
| 03:25.01 | AlliedArmour | bends like CRAZY |
| 03:25.07 | RPG | bends? |
| 03:25.09 | AlliedArmour | ya |
| 03:25.10 | A_Meteorite | awww, it's beige |
| 03:25.14 | AlliedArmour | no, it's white |
| 03:25.21 | AlliedArmour | my cam is cheap |
| 03:25.23 | AlliedArmour | 640x480 max |
| 03:25.25 | AlliedArmour | no flash |
| 03:25.26 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 03:25.34 | AlliedArmour | a clean white |
| 03:25.38 | A_Meteorite | wow, your basement has carpet ;) |
| 03:25.41 | RPG | whats so schnazzy about aluminum? |
| 03:25.44 | AlliedArmour | lol! |
| 03:25.50 | A_Meteorite | it runs cool |
| 03:25.51 | AlliedArmour | only a part of it does |
| 03:25.54 | A_Meteorite | it looks cool |
| 03:25.56 | AlliedArmour | 1/2 carpet |
| 03:26.00 | A_Meteorite | it's light |
| 03:26.01 | RPG | i have an aluminum case |
| 03:26.03 | AlliedArmour | 1/4 linoleum |
| 03:26.04 | A_Meteorite | 'nuff said |
| 03:26.11 | AlliedArmour | 1/4 uncovered |
| 03:26.15 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 03:26.18 | A_Meteorite | cemenet? |
| 03:26.21 | A_Meteorite | *cement |
| 03:26.23 | AlliedArmour | ya |
| 03:26.53 | AlliedArmour | I'd like this case: http://www.thermaltake.com/xaserCase/swing/sws/sws.htm |
| 03:27.19 | A_Meteorite | ooh! that's nice! |
| 03:27.30 | A_Meteorite | I thought Thermaltake made only outrageous cases |
| 03:27.34 | A_Meteorite | like bright red |
| 03:27.35 | AlliedArmour | hehe, o |
| 03:27.36 | AlliedArmour | no |
| 03:27.41 | A_Meteorite | and all sorts of weird colors for a case |
| 03:27.42 | AlliedArmour | they make some great ones |
| 03:27.59 | A_Meteorite | I don't like crazy cases, only like simple cases. :D |
| 03:28.01 | AlliedArmour | they can be mad tho |
| 03:28.03 | AlliedArmour | me too |
| 03:28.09 | AlliedArmour | i dont like crazy gaming cases |
| 03:28.14 | AlliedArmour | like spider >:x |
| 03:28.19 | AlliedArmour | *spiders |
| 03:28.33 | A_Meteorite | I want a PowerMac G5 Case. :D |
| 03:28.38 | AlliedArmour | i can get that case in black too |
| 03:28.49 | A_Meteorite | now, THAT is a nice case :D |
| 03:29.01 | AlliedArmour | i dont really like it |
| 03:29.08 | A_Meteorite | why not? |
| 03:29.14 | RPG | it's got no 3.5" bays |
| 03:29.22 | A_Meteorite | you can get a converter |
| 03:29.22 | AlliedArmour | and it's dotty |
| 03:29.24 | RPG | i wluve my floppy drive |
| 03:29.29 | A_Meteorite | good airflow! |
| 03:29.32 | AlliedArmour | i dont have any floppies |
| 03:29.36 | A_Meteorite | good airflow! |
| 03:29.41 | AlliedArmour | hehe, i dont think so |
| 03:29.51 | A_Meteorite | we have a local mac store... |
| 03:29.57 | RPG | if you want good airflow, chain the parts to your ceiling |
| 03:30.01 | A_Meteorite | and those things look much better in person than online, trust me on this |
| 03:30.03 | RPG | now that's good airflow |
| 03:30.03 | AlliedArmour | LOL |
| 03:30.30 | orange | when nobody else has talked for 20-30 minutes, it might be time to find another location to talk, just a suggestion |
| 03:30.36 | RPG | hmm... maybe I could build a wooden case.. |
| 03:30.44 | A_Meteorite | ewww |
| 03:30.50 | AlliedArmour | when i can find the money - i'll get that thermaltake |
| 03:31.01 | A_Meteorite | orange: I guess you mean this is way OT? |
| 03:31.18 | orange | well, OT is fine for a few minutes, we all do it :-) |
| 03:31.23 | A_Meteorite | hehe |
| 03:31.31 | AlliedArmour | lets go OT again |
| 03:31.37 | AlliedArmour | it's free |
| 03:31.46 | A_Meteorite | woah, look at this: http://www.paulanders.com/G5-LED/ |
| 03:31.48 | orange | it costs people time |
| 03:31.51 | A_Meteorite | nice 8-) |
| 03:31.58 | AlliedArmour | costs you time? |
| 03:32.02 | orange | yes, it does |
| 03:32.12 | AlliedArmour | oh |
| 03:32.17 | AlliedArmour | heyhey! |
| 03:32.21 | AlliedArmour | that's a clever idea |
| 03:32.23 | AlliedArmour | met that is |
| 03:32.28 | orange | and it costs you nothing to join another channel |
| 03:32.37 | RPG | AlliedArmour: #bzchat |
| 03:32.42 | A_Meteorite | #our-own-ot-channel |
| 03:32.49 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 03:32.53 | RPG | ok, A_Meteorite's channel |
| 03:32.54 | AlliedArmour | :) - AIM/MSN |
| 03:33.04 | orange | thanks |
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| 04:03.04 | lan56 | wizatcomp, are you having troubles with dev-c++? |
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| 04:25.53 | wizatcomp | lan56: the dev cpp file that's in CVS for some reason has 3 files as folders rather than source/header/resources |
| 04:26.15 | lan56 | that is a bug on dev-c++ part |
| 04:26.22 | lan56 | try closing and reopening dev-c++ |
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| 04:26.29 | lan56 | I have that happen a lot |
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| 04:27.16 | lan56 | tell me if that fixes it |
| 04:27.16 | bz2157 | can you limit the number of flags that show up in zone |
| 04:27.31 | wizatcomp | lan56: i just noticced it happened today |
| 04:27.38 | wizatcomp | i closed it and reopened it and it worked fine |
| 04:27.46 | lan56 | ahh good |
| 04:28.42 | lan56 | dev-c++ has a record of being filled with obvious bugs. they have cleaned it up a -lot-, and I mean -a lot-. when I first made those project files some of the bugs in dev-c++ made it nearly unbearable at times, but it has really gotten better |
| 04:28.43 | bz2157 | anyone |
| 04:29.05 | lan56 | "you've got to admit it's gettin' better" |
| 04:29.13 | lan56 | "a little better, all the time (it can't get no worse)" |
| 04:29.51 | bz2157 | JeffM2501: any help? |
| 04:30.11 | trepan | bz2157: cvs has the 'zoneflag' keyword |
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| 04:31.00 | bz2157 | so like if i have a zone wich i would like 2 wings flags and the rest to be all over (normal) how would i do that |
| 04:31.33 | bz2157 | all that i know of is 'flag WG' which would make them all show up there... |
| 04:32.22 | trepan | zone \n zoneflag WG 2 \n end |
| 04:32.35 | trepan | those two WG flags will always spawn in the zone |
| 04:32.42 | bz2157 | so that will work in 2.0.x? |
| 04:32.50 | trepan | recent cvs |
| 04:33.00 | bz2157 | so not even 2.0.5 just making sure? |
| 04:33.11 | bz2157 | *b2 |
| 04:34.24 | trepan | don't think a bX release has been made with it yet |
| 04:34.48 | bz2157 | ok ty then |
| 04:34.56 | wizatmac | erm |
| 04:35.02 | wizatmac | i think it works in 2.0.4 |
| 04:35.03 | trepan | hm, b3 might have it |
| 04:35.06 | wizatmac | *think* |
| 04:35.09 | wizatmac | i know b2 has it |
| 04:35.19 | bz2157 | ok |
| 04:35.30 | bz2157 | conflicting statements.... |
| 04:36.33 | wizatmac | bz2157: i know that 2.0.5b2 suppports it |
| 04:37.04 | trepan | looking for the commit date, b2 might have it (don't keep track of windows things) |
| 04:37.33 | bz2157 | ok |
| 04:37.42 | bz2157 | g2g all thanks for help |
| 04:37.53 | trepan | nov11, so b2 prolly does have it, my bad |
| 04:38.06 | trepan | how the time does fly |
| 04:38.34 | bz2157 | lol thanks |
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| 13:08.29 | ToughShooter | bzbb admins: spam in "Registration Issues" |
| 13:14.35 | learner | cleaned up |
| 13:14.40 | ToughShooter | tnx |
| 13:35.54 | menotume | learner is up early :) |
| 13:38.38 | menotume | does anyone know what the max UDP packet size should be to have a decent chance to make it through hops ? |
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| 13:39.59 | Tupone | menotume: UDP is fragmented if does not fit |
| 13:40.09 | menotume | yes |
| 13:40.11 | Chestal | 512 should be very much on the safe side, but any size should work anyway (IP frag) |
| 13:40.18 | Chestal | IP fragmentation sucks, though :-) |
| 13:40.36 | Tupone | 576 is the size for IPV6 |
| 13:40.42 | menotume | well, i'm having a connection problem, between me and my gateway |
| 13:40.45 | Tupone | ipv6 does not fragment |
| 13:40.51 | menotume | ahh |
| 13:41.09 | menotume | when testing with ping, if I bump the packet size up, i lose more packets |
| 13:41.37 | Tupone | I had the same problem and called telecom |
| 13:41.39 | Chestal | if some router drops packets to reduce congestion, that's what you would expect |
| 13:41.45 | menotume | sp, i'm trying to figure out what i should expect from my cable company |
| 13:41.53 | Chestal | maybe it's doign RED |
| 13:42.11 | menotume | this started all in the sudden a week ago |
| 13:42.17 | Chestal | if it is doign this all the time, it's not good, though |
| 13:42.23 | menotume | has been fine, rarely a lost packet, very good jitter |
| 13:42.31 | menotume | yes, all the time |
| 13:42.39 | menotume | so, i don't hink it's conjestion |
| 13:42.44 | Chestal | if their network is congested, it's very hard for you to debug :-( |
| 13:42.48 | menotume | not all in the sudden like that |
| 13:42.49 | Tupone | network equipment broken |
| 13:42.52 | Tupone | ? |
| 13:42.56 | menotume | dunno |
| 13:43.04 | menotume | i got a new gateway last night - same problem |
| 13:43.10 | menotume | i think it's a wire |
| 13:43.20 | Chestal | maybe they added new content filters and oen router is running out of mem or has not enogh CPU power, soemthign like that happened here once |
| 13:43.22 | menotume | it started last Tuesday - very windy day |
| 13:43.35 | menotume | ahh |
| 13:43.42 | menotume | but, even at 3AM it does it |
| 13:43.46 | Chestal | hmm, yes, bit errors could be it, too |
| 13:43.58 | Chestal | it's more or less constant over the day? |
| 13:44.05 | menotume | if i set ping size to 2000, i get 50% loss |
| 13:44.11 | menotume | yes, it is |
| 13:44.16 | menotume | well, somewhat |
| 13:44.27 | menotume | not constant minute-to-minute |
| 13:44.36 | Tupone | menotume: If I setted more then 300 byte I got 100% loss :) |
| 13:44.41 | menotume | ping size of 450, i get 10% loss |
| 13:44.57 | menotume | ahhh, well there's the answer then |
| 13:45.03 | Chestal | hmm, you could try different bit patterns with ping, probably won't make a difference though, even if it's bit errors I guess |
| 13:45.36 | menotume | ya, well the cable guy is coming any minute now |
| 13:45.42 | menotume | second one they sent out |
| 13:45.45 | Tupone | then they fixed network equipment and all went good |
| 13:46.05 | menotume | the first one just checked my internal wiring, and said "it's all good" :P |
| 13:46.17 | menotume | he took aout 2 splitters |
| 13:46.24 | menotume | made no difference :) |
| 13:46.46 | Chestal | at 1000 bytes,is packet loss aso higher than with 450 bytes? |
| 13:46.54 | Chestal | I'd assume that 1000 bytes are sent as one IP packet |
| 13:46.55 | menotume | i think so, lemme try some more |
| 13:46.57 | Tupone | I convinced them, letting them see my ping ... they seen lot of character lost |
| 13:47.15 | menotume | yes, i've had to 'convince them' too |
| 13:47.39 | menotume | the first guy i talked to said that 10% packerte loss is acceptable by US Govt regulations :P |
| 13:47.53 | Chestal | ehm :-) |
| 13:48.14 | menotume | ya |
| 13:48.19 | menotume | that's what i said |
| 13:48.32 | menotume | i mean between me and my gateway ? |
| 13:48.48 | menotume | it doesn't lose that much going 1/2 way around the worl |
| 13:48.48 | Chestal | I wonder where all the packets go... |
| 13:48.55 | Chestal | they msut be accumulating somewhere ;-) |
| 13:48.56 | menotume | bit-bucket |
| 13:49.08 | menotume | 1000 bytes : 18% loss |
| 13:49.18 | menotume | but, it IS intermittant, i'll try again |
| 13:49.20 | Chestal | if it's checksum errors trhey should be able to see that on the gateway I hope |
| 13:49.57 | menotume | i dunno. while i was on the phone, they pinged ME |
| 13:50.10 | menotume | they saw around 2% |
| 13:50.13 | menotume | so they said |
| 13:50.25 | menotume | ahhh, 28% loss this time |
| 13:50.44 | menotume | trying 200 bytes now |
| 13:50.50 | Chestal | are IP packets with wrong checksum usually just dropped? I guess no ICMP response is generated? |
| 13:51.05 | menotume | dunno. |
| 13:51.13 | menotume | i would HOPE that a NAK of some sort is sent |
| 13:51.23 | Chestal | it should at least be logged by the receiver |
| 13:51.29 | menotume | rather than timing out |
| 13:51.44 | menotume | ToughShooter: hmm, thx |
| 13:52.01 | menotume | ToughShooter: what were you pinging ? |
| 13:52.06 | ToughShooter | menotume: I re-ran the test an now it is 0% loss :/ |
| 13:52.10 | ToughShooter | bzflag.org |
| 13:52.13 | menotume | ahhh |
| 13:52.16 | Chestal | ping pdpc/supporter/active/menotume ;-) |
| 13:52.25 | menotume | well, i'm pinging my gateway - it's probaby 2 miles away |
| 13:52.39 | menotume | ahhh |
| 13:53.22 | ToughShooter | hehe, I don't even have an idea where my next hop is located |
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| 14:21.19 | menotume | cable tech is here - he saw my modem and said " that modem has been recalled" ! |
| 14:21.21 | menotume | lol |
| 14:21.29 | menotume | this is gonna be fun |
| 14:34.41 | brlcad | heh |
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| 14:42.02 | Rapp | hi! i just compiled bzflag for amd64, and now as a client get a ?error unpacking world database? error or something like that... |
| 14:42.11 | Rapp | how can i fix this? |
| 14:49.08 | Tupone | rm the world cache |
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| 15:14.38 | Rapp | thanks! |
| 15:14.48 | Tupone | :) |
| 15:17.57 | Rapp | hm... rm -rf .bzf/cache on the client did not help... |
| 15:18.00 | Rapp | anything else? |
| 15:21.24 | Tupone | nope |
| 15:21.34 | Tupone | what distro? |
| 15:22.33 | Rapp | debian. |
| 15:22.54 | Rapp | amd 64 platform, gcc 4, bzf compiled from source |
| 15:23.01 | Tupone | I heard debian has problem with 64 bit and gcc-4 |
| 15:23.19 | Tupone | but not that kind of problem, jitter |
| 15:23.37 | Tupone | does it happen on all the worlds ? |
| 15:23.41 | Rapp | uh, yeah... tell me about it... but not in this case. problem is, many packages are not yet compiled with gcc 4 in testing. ugly... |
| 15:23.49 | Rapp | hmm... let me try... |
| 15:24.20 | Tupone | could be that the problem is server side |
| 15:25.21 | Rapp | random world fails, too. |
| 15:26.43 | Tupone | I have amd64 and compiled with gcc-3.4 It works fine |
| 15:27.06 | Rapp | hmmm |
| 15:27.22 | Tupone | gentoo declared 3.4.4 stable for x86 just a couple days ago |
| 15:27.44 | Tupone | while it has been 3.4.4 for amd64 from ages |
| 15:28.55 | Tupone | I can understand for fedora, that has to test feature for the enterprise. I wonder why debian put that in testing, if most of the people use testing |
| 15:29.32 | Tupone | I'd put in unstable :/ |
| 15:30.30 | Rapp | i don't know... i think i'll try a bit more. maybe i'll find something. |
| 15:30.58 | Tupone | use the source, luke (and the debugger) |
| 15:41.47 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I can't setgroup a user to everyone :/ |
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| 16:44.48 | menotume | oh man |
| 16:44.50 | menotume | what a joke |
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| 16:56.04 | Tupone | menotume: how has gone? |
| 17:04.50 | menotume | not good |
| 17:05.50 | catay | conanhome: now i am :p |
| 17:05.58 | catay | hi menotume ! :p |
| 17:06.37 | menotume | hellos |
| 17:07.52 | Tupone | :( |
| 17:08.11 | menotume | i bunch of idiots! |
| 17:08.24 | menotume | the are now getting calls from all over the neighborhood |
| 17:08.40 | menotume | 'a' bunch of idiots :) |
| 17:09.03 | menotume | turns out the problem is 'at the tap' |
| 17:09.11 | menotume | hehe |
| 17:09.18 | menotume | "will work for packets" |
| 17:10.02 | Tupone | they could not replace the "tap" to test ? |
| 17:10.04 | menotume | orange: the person i just talked to said i'd have to file a complaint that the tech BROKE my modem. |
| 17:10.26 | menotume | and that the tech would get in trouble, and they'd send someone out to test the modem |
| 17:10.33 | menotume | Tupone: lol |
| 17:10.53 | orange | menotume: tell them to get their heads out of their tap |
| 17:10.57 | menotume | that means that the problem exists neighborhood-wide |
| 17:11.02 | menotume | heh |
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| 17:16.20 | Tupone | menotume: try to reduce the mtu size at the interface |
| 17:19.29 | menotume | a truck is coming out tomorrow |
| 17:19.48 | menotume | they FINALLY agree that there is a problem |
| 17:20.09 | menotume | now that they've had over 50 calls from this neghborhood |
| 17:20.29 | Tupone | hehe |
| 17:20.42 | menotume | there's another problem now ... |
| 17:20.54 | menotume | the tech swapped modems o see if that was the problem. |
| 17:21.14 | menotume | after he saw that it wasn't, he put MY modem back in |
| 17:21.24 | Tupone | and it is broken? |
| 17:21.30 | menotume | spent 1.5 hours trying to get my ORIGINAL modem working, but couldn't |
| 17:21.48 | menotume | they have a hack system called wallgarden |
| 17:22.04 | menotume | they have to throw switches at the main office to get around it |
| 17:22.11 | menotume | and, they couldn't do it |
| 17:22.38 | menotume | the tech said that if he left the new modem in, they'd have to charge me for it |
| 17:22.40 | Tupone | so .. you have their modem ? |
| 17:22.50 | menotume | yep |
| 17:23.03 | menotume | still have the original problem |
| 17:23.20 | menotume | I said "1.5 hours tech time + 1.5 hours person on the phone time" |
| 17:23.34 | menotume | "wouldn't giving me a $35 modem be cheaper ?" |
| 17:23.50 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:24.04 | menotume | so, i told the poor guy (it wasn't his fault), to leave the modem, and II'd call Comcast and give them hell |
| 17:24.13 | menotume | which I'm in the process of doing :) |
| 17:27.19 | menotume | ~lart Comcast |
| 17:28.00 | menotume | hmm, that didn't help |
| 17:28.54 | Tupone | get in trouble for a modem ? |
| 17:29.25 | menotume | i don't really mind a $3/month rental fee - it's just the point of it all |
| 17:29.46 | menotume | after a week of sending out low-level techs, and not believing that there was a problem, too |
| 17:31.42 | menotume | that's not even all of it, i won't bore you with the details |
| 17:31.47 | Tupone | I mean a tech getting in trouble for 35$ ? |
| 17:31.52 | menotume | i let off enough steam (for now) |
| 17:31.57 | menotume | well .... |
| 17:32.11 | menotume | when i jus called about it, i said i wouldn't pay for the new modem |
| 17:32.20 | Tupone | ahh |
| 17:32.37 | menotume | the guy said that I'd have to fill out a complaint stating that the tech BROKE the modem, |
| 17:32.48 | menotume | and that they would send someone out to check it |
| 17:33.05 | menotume | i said: "i'm about to get very mad - let me speak to your supervisor' |
| 17:33.17 | menotume | the supervisor was 'in a meeting' |
| 17:33.21 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:33.22 | menotume | had to leave voicemail |
| 17:34.00 | menotume | he also said that the tech WOULD get into troouble |
| 17:34.27 | menotume | (and I know it wasn't his fault - he was very patient) |
| 17:34.28 | Tupone | I don't believe. Just to hurt your coscience |
| 17:34.37 | Tupone | or whatever is |
| 17:34.44 | menotume | yes, close enough :) |
| 17:35.15 | menotume | ok, that's about it - thx for listening :) |
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| 17:35.24 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:35.35 | brlcad | menotume: not if/when they are bzip2'd, and if we get below 20GB with archives, I'll likely just purchase more disk |
| 17:35.56 | menotume | eeep, i must really be laggin :) |
| 17:36.08 | menotume | brlcad: can i turn on -d then ? |
| 17:36.32 | menotume | ah, yes, bzip would do a good job on those files |
| 17:36.56 | menotume | I could write a log backup script if you like |
| 17:37.14 | orange | logrotate |
| 17:37.18 | menotume | maybe rotate for 5 days, then bzip or something like that |
| 17:37.36 | menotume | lograrte can be done in a 10-line script |
| 17:38.01 | menotume | foreach ... rm, mv, mv, mv, mv |
| 17:38.11 | menotume | or bzip i/o of rm |
| 17:38.15 | orange | ah, not as robustly as logrotate |
| 17:38.21 | menotume | ? |
| 17:39.36 | orange | how do you handle 'disk full' |
| 17:40.17 | orange | or a truckload of other error possibilities |
| 17:40.17 | menotume | bzip, mv, mv, mv would only free up space |
| 17:40.42 | menotume | but, you could if ( 'df' | grep "..." ) < something, do something |
| 17:41.03 | orange | I'm just saying that logrotate already has a lot of the code to handle all the weird cases |
| 17:41.10 | menotume | gotya |
| 17:41.11 | orange | mind you, I've done the 10-line rotate script myself |
| 17:41.20 | orange | but logrotate might be more robust for this |
| 17:41.34 | menotume | well, it SHOULD be :) |
| 17:41.44 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 17:41.50 | menotume | but then again ... my experience has been bad with such things |
| 17:42.03 | menotume | bugs found / updates needed / etc. |
| 17:43.05 | orange | hehe |
| 17:43.40 | menotume | :D |
| 17:43.47 | orange | brainrotate 1.23 is out |
| 17:43.58 | menotume | ug, another update |
| 17:44.12 | menotume | and what new libraries will i need for that ? |
| 17:45.16 | blast007 | greymatter 2.4.6 |
| 17:45.20 | menotume | lol |
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| 17:48.18 | Death_Barrel | ls |
| 17:48.59 | menotume | drwxr-x--- Not Here |
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| 18:06.23 | ToughShooter | Why can LOCAL.MUTED talk here but EVERYONE not? http://pastebin.com/451181 |
| 18:06.50 | brlcad | menotume: sure, turn on three |
| 18:09.55 | brlcad | there is the equivalent of logrotate in place (newsyslog) for system log files that I was planning on extending to all log files in /var/log/bzfs |
| 18:17.46 | ToughShooter | -ALL should take away all privs and +lagstats and make /lagstats available, so why does it work different in LOCAL.MUTED than in EVERYONE? :o |
| 18:21.35 | ToughShooter | technically if a user has LOCAL.MUTED he is VERIFIED but why doesn't take -ALL the talk perm away? |
| 18:26.24 | menotume | brlcad: cool |
| 18:26.26 | menotume | -d -d should do :) |
| 18:26.42 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: ping |
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| 18:28.51 | arseian | Who is the admin of Norang? |
| 18:30.38 | arseian | ahh as much....well you can tell him from me that ARSE stands for Aircraft Recon. Service Engineer....not swearing and he really should grow up |
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| 18:33.51 | arseian | Whatever has BZflag come to these days.........its certainly not freeware anymore is it |
| 18:33.58 | arseian | bye |
| 18:35.26 | trepan | they just get dumber, and dumber, and dumber |
| 18:39.49 | BearPerson | was it ever freeware? |
| 18:40.05 | BearPerson | I thought it was open source from the start |
| 18:41.14 | JeffM2501 | the term freeware can encompas open source |
| 18:41.24 | JeffM2501 | in that open source often is free to the end user |
| 18:42.07 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.org/wiki/ProjectHistory |
| 18:42.23 | JeffM2501 | yes and it was not allways open source |
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| 18:42.34 | JeffM2501 | Crs was looking at comercial release at one point |
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| 18:50.51 | ToughShooter | menotume: Do you know about group perms? |
| 18:51.02 | menotume | a little |
| 18:51.11 | ToughShooter | meaning groupdb for bzfs |
| 18:51.44 | ToughShooter | Why do I get talk perm for LOCAL.MUTED but not for EVERYONE at this db: http://pastebin.com/451181 |
| 18:52.03 | ToughShooter | I'm not understanding it :/ |
| 18:53.32 | ToughShooter | menotume: Any idea? |
| 18:53.52 | menotume | busy - will look in a minute or 2 or 3 |
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| 19:20.10 | ToughShooter | :( |
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| 19:21.47 | menotume | weeeee :( |
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| 20:03.17 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter: here |
| 20:04.32 | ToughShooter | Piminella: I don't understand why I get talk perms in local.muted with http://pastebin.com/451181 :( |
| 20:05.33 | Pimpinella | ok, verified uses get talk from VERIFIED, even when they don't get it from LOCAL.MUTED |
| 20:05.51 | brad2901 | ToughShooter: couldn't you just give 'em the -TALK perm? |
| 20:05.54 | ToughShooter | yes, but why, -ALL is in local.muted |
| 20:06.00 | brad2901 | ah |
| 20:06.09 | Pimpinella | if you want to make sure LOCAL.MUTEDs can't talk use !TALK |
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| 20:06.20 | ToughShooter | What I really want is set the muted players to EVERYONE |
| 20:07.07 | Pimpinella | -ALL just counts for that group, it doesn't affect other groups |
| 20:07.28 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.44 | ToughShooter | bah, that's not sane for my brain |
| 20:07.52 | Pimpinella | it is ;) |
| 20:08.10 | _Manu_ | hallo Pimpinella |
| 20:08.21 | ToughShooter | but !talk will steal privs from verified, too, I think :/ |
| 20:08.25 | Pimpinella | hey _Manu_ :) |
| 20:09.19 | Pimpinella | sure, if they are in .LOCAL.MUTED it will steal it also from LOCAL.ADMIN |
| 20:11.23 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter: try to sort your groups logically. |
| 20:11.35 | Pimpinella | start with EVERYONE, then VERIFIED |
| 20:11.49 | Pimpinella | then custom groups |
| 20:12.03 | Pimpinella | it will be much clearer then |
| 20:13.00 | ToughShooter | I thought it was sorted |
| 20:13.15 | Pimpinella | it makes no sense to start custom groups with -ALL, they start with no perms |
| 20:14.17 | Pimpinella | the groups perms add, if you have a perm from one group you don't need it from another to use it |
| 20:15.12 | ToughShooter | ok |
| 20:15.13 | Pimpinella | same with forbids, if it's forbidden then it's forbidden for all groups |
| 20:17.21 | Pimpinella | works like apache's "order allow deny" |
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| 20:39.39 | ToughShooter | hrm, I can't get it to work like I want :/ |
| 20:42.22 | SilentSwan | !weather 60515 |
| 20:42.25 | Guu | SilentSwan: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 10°F. |
| 20:49.34 | SilentSwan | sure is quiet here |
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| 20:53.50 | Ice_Wewe | nVidia now has SLi support for Linux! |
| 20:54.14 | Ice_Wewe | Added support for NVIDIA SLI. Please see the README for details. |
| 20:54.20 | Ice_Wewe | it's in their newest driver! |
| 20:55.47 | Aribeth | cool |
| 21:02.16 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: I thought so |
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| 21:20.38 | Ice_Wewe | there was a screenshot of spiral zone with all the building outlines showing, where do I actiavate that setting is BZFlag (I've done it once before, but I forget where it is) |
| 21:20.43 | Ice_Wewe | is that in 2.1? |
| 21:26.53 | Ice_Wewe | hello? |
| 21:27.09 | Aribeth | hello, hello, hello..... |
| 21:27.40 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: do you remember that picuture? |
| 21:27.44 | Ice_Wewe | picture* |
| 21:27.48 | Aribeth | no i dont :( |
| 21:28.06 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: dang |
| 21:28.29 | Ice_Wewe | I did it once, but it sucked ALL of my FPS out of my card, took it a few hours to recover from the shock....... |
| 21:28.39 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 21:29.41 | Aribeth | well, i dont play any more so i duno |
| 21:32.19 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Ping |
| 21:32.39 | Aribeth | ping....ping....ping.... |
| 21:32.51 | Ice_Wewe | Pong |
| 21:32.52 | ToughShooter | pingelingeling ;) |
| 21:33.54 | ToughShooter | I have found a bug in the code, there can be unprintable chars used as callsign |
| 21:34.25 | Ice_Wewe | ToughShooter: such as? |
| 21:36.49 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:37.04 | Aribeth | im shutting down the server |
| 21:37.08 | ToughShooter | http://my.bzflag.org/serverinfo.php?server=pieinthesky.bettagirl.com%3A5000 |
| 21:37.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah callsigns arn't checked that well |
| 21:38.01 | ToughShooter | First I thought it was client, too but it turned out he used < and > around callsign |
| 21:38.11 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: what was that mode that you can put BZFlag in that lets you see box edges, and the like |
| 21:38.22 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:38.26 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: there was a screen shot with that in action, I just can't remember the name |
| 21:38.28 | ToughShooter | still the stats thing is not working correct in that case I think |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM2501 | the debug rendering? |
| 21:38.30 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I've done it once |
| 21:38.34 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: sure, that |
| 21:38.42 | JeffM2501 | build debug |
| 21:38.46 | JeffM2501 | and it's an option |
| 21:38.51 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: do I have to compile it with -debug? |
| 21:38.56 | JeffM2501 | I guess |
| 21:38.58 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ./configure -debug |
| 21:39.01 | JeffM2501 | I don't do makefiles |
| 21:39.09 | JeffM2501 | all I do is hit F7 |
| 21:39.44 | ToughShooter | Ice_Wewe: No, ./configure --help |
| 21:39.46 | Aribeth | why do you want it? |
| 21:40.19 | ToughShooter | use your eyes and brain to figure out the correct option |
| 21:40.22 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: cause it looks COOL! plus, I can use it on lasermania to shoot people, cause then I can tell where the edge of a building is (sometimes hard) and shoot em |
| 21:40.27 | Ice_Wewe | ToughShooter: got it, thx |
| 21:40.43 | Aribeth | ahh i consider that cheating |
| 21:40.50 | trepan | try using the client -d flag |
| 21:41.12 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: it's not, its debugging ;) |
| 21:41.23 | Aribeth | riiiightttt! |
| 21:41.25 | Aribeth | ;) |
| 21:41.27 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: no, I don't think that will enable what I want |
| 21:41.27 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, your intent is to cheat |
| 21:41.36 | Aribeth | yep |
| 21:41.41 | JeffM2501 | how you do it is of no conciquence |
| 21:41.45 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: it's also a cool feature |
| 21:41.48 | Ice_Wewe | oh fine |
| 21:41.52 | Ice_Wewe | I wont use it.... |
| 21:41.58 | JeffM2501 | you do what you want |
| 21:42.02 | JeffM2501 | just understand what you are doing |
| 21:42.12 | JeffM2501 | and don't lie to yourself |
| 21:42.19 | trepan | it was left in the client for map makers, not for cheats |
| 21:42.24 | Aribeth | its cheating! |
| 21:42.30 | trepan | (and the -d flag should work ...) |
| 21:42.33 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: I'm not denying it |
| 21:42.54 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: I got a new kernel, it works so well with HT, bzflag draws like no load at all! |
| 21:43.07 | ToughShooter | maybe it should be in a seperate client that can't shoot, no flags, etc |
| 21:43.10 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: what would that effect be? |
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| 21:43.15 | JeffM2501 | a neat one |
| 21:43.23 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I gather that ;) |
| 21:43.31 | Aribeth | megaman once used it to see and kill me when i had ST and was inside a pyr. |
| 21:43.31 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I dunno, it'd be hard to top what we've got now.... |
| 21:43.40 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: how'd he do that?! |
| 21:43.46 | JeffM2501 | it would work with it |
| 21:43.47 | Aribeth | wireframe |
| 21:43.52 | Aribeth | yep |
| 21:43.54 | JeffM2501 | but I'm also playing wow so mehh |
| 21:44.27 | Aribeth | im playin runescape, so no skin off my back |
| 21:44.38 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: you thought of one... as in wrote the code too? and are just to lazy to commit? or thought of one, and still have to write the code..... |
| 21:44.39 | JeffM2501 | how do you like i? |
| 21:44.45 | Aribeth | i like it |
| 21:44.52 | JeffM2501 | the code is the easy part |
| 21:44.54 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: nooooooooo! not another 2much rune player! |
| 21:45.00 | Aribeth | little hard getting around, but its cool |
| 21:45.07 | Birdie | aribeth: how much points do you have on runescape? |
| 21:45.10 | Aribeth | yep |
| 21:45.20 | Aribeth | im level 41 |
| 21:45.21 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: I found I was spending more time playing Rune Scape than BZFlag, that's when it had to go |
| 21:45.58 | Aribeth | im an old D&D player from way back |
| 21:46.03 | Ice_Wewe | when might we see the tank customizer in 2.1? |
| 21:46.22 | Ice_Wewe | and can they take animated gifs? (hehehehehehhehehe) |
| 21:46.40 | Ice_Wewe | (if they do, I'm gonna make mine as distracting as possible) |
| 21:47.05 | Ice_Wewe | maybe we could have advertising zones, sorta like on buses. You know, the sides, and the back...... |
| 21:47.20 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: you can see them? ohhh, I've gotta get that fixed, and oiled! |
| 21:47.32 | Aribeth | yep i can |
| 21:47.43 | Aribeth | you are soo transparent! |
| 21:47.48 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: nuts.... |
| 21:47.54 | Aribeth | lol |
| 21:48.08 | Ice_Wewe | arggg! I hate installing a new video card driver, it messes up my environment! |
| 21:48.22 | Ice_Wewe | now I lost all my libGL.la links...... |
| 21:48.35 | Aribeth | we all hate that son |
| 21:48.38 | Aribeth | :P |
| 21:49.18 | Aribeth | at least i can play runescape for free on linux |
| 21:51.02 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: I can too.... :P |
| 21:51.38 | Aribeth | i have windows on my laptop, but i wont spend any money for windows games |
| 21:51.40 | Birdie | runescape is not for free? |
| 21:51.52 | Birdie | oops |
| 21:51.56 | Birdie | i thought it was:( |
| 21:52.17 | Aribeth | it is, but you can also pay 5.00 per month and it will gove you access to much more of the game |
| 21:52.23 | Birdie | oh |
| 21:52.30 | JeffM2501 | that's cheap for a mmorpg |
| 21:52.35 | JeffM2501 | there is also guild wars |
| 21:52.38 | Aribeth | very cheap |
| 21:52.43 | Aribeth | yep |
| 21:52.44 | JeffM2501 | costs money to get, but no monthy |
| 21:54.39 | Aribeth | the only thing that bugs me in runescape is when some kid asks me for my attamant aurmor |
| 21:54.58 | Aribeth | and says plz plz... |
| 21:54.59 | JeffM2501 | happens in all games |
| 21:55.01 | Aribeth | lol |
| 21:55.23 | Aribeth | i told one to bug off today |
| 21:55.55 | Aribeth | im crazycora in runescape |
| 21:57.11 | Aribeth | heh kids |
| 21:57.18 | Aribeth | oh well |
| 21:57.34 | JeffM2501 | they allways ask me for gold |
| 21:57.39 | Aribeth | jeffM2501, how is wow? |
| 21:57.51 | JeffM2501 | very fun |
| 21:57.58 | JeffM2501 | striped down eq basicly |
| 21:58.04 | JeffM2501 | little cartoony |
| 21:58.08 | Aribeth | windows only i guess |
| 21:58.14 | JeffM2501 | and mac |
| 21:58.18 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 21:58.28 | Aribeth | well, that leaves me out |
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| 21:58.54 | Aribeth | hello SS |
| 21:59.07 | Aribeth | :) |
| 21:59.11 | JeffM2501 | linux dosn't make it that easy to make games sadly |
| 21:59.23 | SilentSwan | why not? |
| 21:59.33 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 21:59.37 | JeffM2501 | every distro is difrent |
| 21:59.43 | SilentSwan | oh.. yeah, there's that |
| 21:59.43 | JeffM2501 | every window manager is difrent |
| 21:59.48 | Aribeth | true |
| 21:59.53 | JeffM2501 | makes it a support nightmare |
| 22:00.06 | JeffM2501 | it's one reason we can't ship a single "linux" binary |
| 22:00.16 | Aribeth | yep |
| 22:00.17 | SilentSwan | i always said the vast number of linux distributions and lack of standardization between them would be what keeps linux from becoming truly successful |
| 22:00.28 | Aribeth | yes |
| 22:00.39 | SilentSwan | and of course, the linux zealots (of which there are many) would flame mercilessly upon hearing such a statement |
| 22:00.52 | Aribeth | they would |
| 22:00.56 | Aribeth | indeed |
| 22:01.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah not every user WANTS to build stuff from source |
| 22:01.05 | SilentSwan | the truth hurts i guess heh |
| 22:01.18 | JeffM2501 | it's nice that you can, but many people just want to use the computer |
| 22:01.50 | trepan | JeffM2501: using linux does not necessitate building from source |
| 22:02.04 | SilentSwan | at least in my experience, suse's on the right track when it comes to overall usability |
| 22:02.05 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 22:02.08 | JeffM2501 | it does not |
| 22:02.17 | JeffM2501 | but many people prorport that it does |
| 22:02.22 | Aribeth | loki games was good til they folded |
| 22:02.28 | Pimpinella | i usually prefer using precompiled binaries too, fut i appreciate that i could build from source if i needed to |
| 22:02.31 | JeffM2501 | many zealots "oh just built it" attitude |
| 22:02.45 | JeffM2501 | linux has all the parts to be a great general user OS |
| 22:02.55 | JeffM2501 | somone just needs to pack it up right, standarise it and support it |
| 22:02.59 | JeffM2501 | many distros are trying |
| 22:03.07 | Chestal | actually there is no great general user OS |
| 22:03.10 | Chestal | or I havem't seen it |
| 22:03.30 | JeffM2501 | true, no one OS will work for all people |
| 22:03.31 | SilentSwan | everything has a purpose |
| 22:03.44 | SilentSwan | even windows... it's great for farming viruses :) |
| 22:03.44 | JeffM2501 | by general, I meant the general populus |
| 22:03.47 | JeffM2501 | aka windows users |
| 22:03.49 | Chestal | computers are way too complex for the vast majority of people |
| 22:03.53 | JeffM2501 | who use AOL and check e-mail :) |
| 22:04.17 | Aribeth | they want a p-n-p computer |
| 22:04.25 | Aribeth | no fus |
| 22:04.27 | JeffM2501 | they do |
| 22:04.32 | Chestal | they want a thing which magically does what they want |
| 22:04.33 | JeffM2501 | people like my mom |
| 22:04.38 | SilentSwan | i setup my grandmother's computer recently. i was going to install suse on it... but then i decided, this is a person who has trouble figuring out the mouse... better use XP :( |
| 22:04.40 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, don't you? :) |
| 22:04.47 | bryjen | they want an appliance. like a TV, turn it on, pick a channel... |
| 22:04.48 | JeffM2501 | we have goten cars to about that level of tech |
| 22:04.51 | JeffM2501 | as well as phones |
| 22:04.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:04.56 | JeffM2501 | it should just work |
| 22:05.01 | JeffM2501 | and if it dosn't, you replace it |
| 22:05.04 | Chestal | plain odl phones, yes |
| 22:05.05 | JeffM2501 | or call somone to fix it |
| 22:05.07 | Chestal | cell phones, no |
| 22:05.09 | Chestal | far too complicated |
| 22:05.18 | Birdie | how many time it takes to just explain how sending emails work at moms.. |
| 22:05.21 | JeffM2501 | that is why not everyone has a cell |
| 22:05.25 | SilentSwan | well, a lot of the reason computers *don't* just work is because of plain-and-simple BAD programming |
| 22:05.44 | Aribeth | and buggy hardware |
| 22:05.45 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, well not every programer can be perfect |
| 22:05.52 | SilentSwan | i know, i know |
| 22:05.54 | SilentSwan | i don't mean that |
| 22:05.58 | bryjen | a 'general purpose' PC is too flexible to fit into such a simple concept |
| 22:06.07 | SilentSwan | what i mean is just following basic good programming guidelines is so often not done |
| 22:06.25 | Chestal | all programmers suck |
| 22:06.30 | SilentSwan | like decent exception handling, even simple stuff like not using unbuffered string copy routines, etc... |
| 22:06.47 | SilentSwan | GIGO |
| 22:06.56 | Aribeth | i knew one programmer that was really good, but noone could read what he was doing |
| 22:07.04 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, watch what you say, MS just depricated all the unsafe string functions in C :) |
| 22:07.05 | SilentSwan | oh, perl? hehe |
| 22:07.15 | SilentSwan | wow, it's a miracle |
| 22:07.42 | JeffM2501 | it's one reason we have to change bz code to be able to go to VC8 |
| 22:08.52 | SilentSwan | i was playing around with UAE last night (amiga emulator)... lots of bizarre crashes... poked around in the source... omg. |
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| 22:09.00 | Aribeth | they forgot to depricate the worst one of all...the os itself :P |
| 22:09.08 | SilentSwan | right on |
| 22:09.46 | SilentSwan | i heard that MS is working on code (probably stolen) to make it unnecessary to reboot with every single patch installation. wow. imagine that. |
| 22:10.02 | Chestal | JeffM2501: they are not deprecated, the beta versons might say so, but that's a mistake and is probably already corrected |
| 22:10.31 | Chestal | JeffM2501: as far as I understand, VC8 will try to warn on any unsafe pointer operations by default |
| 22:10.46 | SilentSwan | gcc does so |
| 22:11.29 | SilentSwan | you can just about make gcc warn you if you have egg on your chin. |
| 22:11.40 | Aribeth | lol |
| 22:12.24 | Aribeth | prolly will warn you abut having it warn on everything |
| 22:12.50 | SilentSwan | Warning: You have too many warnings turned on. You have been warned. |
| 22:13.00 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 22:13.25 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, it's coming up as an error |
| 22:13.33 | TD-Linux | GCC: WARNING: Even though you have no other warnings for this sourcefile, the world will still end anyway. Good try. |
| 22:13.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure I can turn it off and let it use m |
| 22:13.40 | Aribeth | windows, do you really want me to warn you? |
| 22:13.45 | JeffM2501 | but better to just fix em |
| 22:14.01 | JeffM2501 | since I'm not sure if express will let us turn em off |
| 22:14.11 | Chestal | JeffM2501: wel, that's debatable. It even warns about std::copy and stuff |
| 22:14.15 | TD-Linux | I have express... you can barely do anthing of that sort |
| 22:14.30 | Chestal | we'll see that the final version will do |
| 22:14.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah express is very limimted |
| 22:14.39 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, the final version is out |
| 22:14.52 | SilentSwan | you know, i work with (and i use that phrase loosely) a guy that is a total windows fanatic. won't hear of anything else. but all day all he does is b*tch about how windows sucks. |
| 22:15.02 | SilentSwan | funny that |
| 22:15.02 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:15.24 | SilentSwan | it's more like: he just doesn't want to LEARN anything new |
| 22:15.43 | JeffM2501 | lot of people are like that in each OSs camp |
| 22:15.59 | TD-Linux | I was arguing with another guy the other day on a gba dev channel, and he didn't want to switch because he was already an expert at reinstalling windows |
| 22:16.24 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 22:16.28 | Chestal | JeffM2501: but how can it be errors? Even in the beta versons when there were heated debates it was only warnings and M$ said they would probably even make it less strict or chaneg the default (Herb Sutter replying for example) |
| 22:16.45 | Chestal | if the code is correct according to the ISO standard, VC8 better compile it |
| 22:16.53 | Chestal | of course it can spew out any numbers of comments it likes to |
| 22:16.59 | JeffM2501 | dono, all I know it's that if I open our project, upgrade it, it gives me errors |
| 22:17.20 | JeffM2501 | I have been reulcant to look more into it, because I am having problems making VC71 and 8 play nice together |
| 22:17.23 | SilentSwan | "Microsoft Windows (tm) has detected that your mouse has moved. You must reboot for this change to take effect." |
| 22:17.57 | JeffM2501 | "X11 has detected your hardware is newer then 10 years ago, you get no drivers" |
| 22:18.06 | SilentSwan | so not true :P |
| 22:18.13 | JeffM2501 | ok maybe 3 years |
| 22:18.18 | SilentSwan | bah |
| 22:18.27 | JeffM2501 | they all have there caveats |
| 22:18.46 | trepan | JeffM2501: nvidia's pretty good about it, the rest are coming along |
| 22:18.47 | SilentSwan | i dunno, X seems to handle my 6800GT pretty nicely :) |
| 22:18.57 | SilentSwan | ATI support is supposedly good too |
| 22:18.58 | JeffM2501 | that is because nvidia LOVEs you |
| 22:19.11 | JeffM2501 | and they have "tainted" your kernel |
| 22:19.26 | SilentSwan | well, no... i think nvidia hates me. i had to return my BFG card and replace it with a eVGA ... the BFG was overheating massively |
| 22:19.40 | JeffM2501 | I have not been a fan of BFG |
| 22:19.47 | JeffM2501 | they cheap out a lot |
| 22:19.53 | JeffM2501 | and overclock at the factory |
| 22:19.57 | JeffM2501 | makes it less then stable |
| 22:19.59 | SilentSwan | yeah, a little research indicates they have a reputation for heating problems.. and the OC crap |
| 22:20.16 | SilentSwan | i shouldn't need water cooling for a video card heh |
| 22:20.24 | JeffM2501 | IIRC nvidia dosn't actualy make cards |
| 22:20.28 | TD-Linux | I saw a OC'd 6200 at vest dry a week ago for $200 |
| 22:20.31 | SilentSwan | no, the chipset though |
| 22:20.32 | JeffM2501 | oh then you should not get an ATI 18xx |
| 22:20.46 | JeffM2501 | they run in the high 90s |
| 22:20.53 | SilentSwan | vest dry? hah |
| 22:21.21 | SilentSwan | that's ok, i call "Fry's" "Fried" |
| 22:22.22 | JeffM2501 | best buy has very few deals on components |
| 22:22.43 | SilentSwan | i have refused to shop at worst buy for about a decade now |
| 22:23.28 | TD-Linux | almost all of my bzflag vc8 problems stem from the regex project |
| 22:23.40 | TD-Linux | regerror.c has problems |
| 22:24.02 | JeffM2501 | so fix it |
| 22:25.08 | SilentSwan | you must have the same wall i do |
| 22:25.42 | TD-Linux | I'm getting more of them for Christmas |
| 22:25.50 | SilentSwan | i gave away a bunch |
| 22:25.55 | TD-Linux | most of my books are good, but 10 years old |
| 22:26.04 | TD-Linux | I need a STL book and an openGL one |
| 22:26.16 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 22:26.22 | JeffM2501 | all the info for those is on the net |
| 22:26.28 | TD-Linux | it is? |
| 22:26.33 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 22:26.36 | SilentSwan | i still prefer dead tree form most of the time |
| 22:26.43 | JeffM2501 | then get a printer :) |
| 22:26.47 | SilentSwan | at least if i'm learning something involved |
| 22:27.12 | SilentSwan | yeah, i know... tech books are too expensive (and have too little return) for my tastes these days |
| 22:27.26 | SilentSwan | i have probably spent over $1000 on them |
| 22:27.33 | SilentSwan | 50% of them are mostly worthless now |
| 22:27.48 | JeffM2501 | the orily people have a subsription thing, where you can read any book in there lib online |
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| 22:28.36 | SilentSwan | a lot of them are offered free, too |
| 22:29.54 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 22:29.58 | TD-Linux | syntax error: if |
| 22:30.48 | SilentSwan | easy fix: don't use "if" statements :) |
| 22:31.50 | SilentSwan | need food |
| 22:32.41 | Pimpinella | TD-Linux: don't buy a STL book, buy a C++ reference |
| 22:32.59 | TD-Linux | I already have 5 C++ reference books |
| 22:33.15 | TD-Linux | they are all 10 years old, the only thing that is outdated in them is the STL |
| 22:33.16 | Pimpinella | and they include STL? |
| 22:33.25 | TD-Linux | STL has changed a lot |
| 22:33.29 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 22:33.50 | Pimpinella | i have a real cheap one here, but it's all i really need |
| 22:33.51 | TD-Linux | one of them was made before the bool type was introduced |
| 22:34.29 | TD-Linux | My dad gave them to me... he used to do C++ programming |
| 22:34.37 | TD-Linux | I have a 'Using VC++ 1.0' book |
| 22:34.41 | Pimpinella | i bought also 2 of Scott Meyers effective c++ books, they are worth their money too |
| 22:35.54 | TD-Linux | I like dead tree books... mainly because I don't have enough screen real estate to reference them while I code |
| 22:36.03 | TD-Linux | *reference ebooks |
| 22:37.24 | Pimpinella | the one i use is the german translation of "C++ The complete reference fourth edition" by Herbert Schildt published by Osborne/McGraw-Hill |
| 22:37.46 | Pimpinella | cheap and complete |
| 22:37.46 | TD-Linux | I considered that one |
| 22:37.52 | TD-Linux | I have the 2nd edition of that book |
| 22:38.01 | TD-Linux | the 2nd edition is horrible |
| 22:38.05 | TD-Linux | I heard the 4th is better |
| 22:38.56 | TD-Linux | or maybe it's a different book... hmmm |
| 22:41.32 | Pimpinella | there's an interesting article about one of the authors former books http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/schildt.html |
| 22:41.37 | Pimpinella | quite amusing |
| 22:41.46 | TD-Linux | yup, this regerror.c stuff is pure vc8 goo |
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| 22:42.23 | Pimpinella | but i havn't founs such mistakes in the one i have yet |
| 22:43.54 | Pimpinella | nite |
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| 23:04.58 | SilentSwan | oh it is so cold outside... i'm so not ready for this |
| 23:05.27 | RPG_ | i have a winter coat on |
| 23:05.30 | RPG_ | inside |
| 23:05.45 | SilentSwan | jeez, it's not *that* bad heh |
| 23:05.51 | A_Meteorite | woah |
| 23:05.58 | SilentSwan | your heater not working? |
| 23:05.59 | A_Meteorite | where do you live? |
| 23:06.04 | RPG_ | there's this room in the house, i swear it's not insulated |
| 23:06.06 | SilentSwan | northern illinois |
| 23:06.15 | RPG_ | it's always 10 F colder than the entire house |
| 23:06.24 | A_Meteorite | wow |
| 23:06.42 | SilentSwan | i need a room like that for my computers... this room gets TOO hote |
| 23:06.42 | RPG_ | the room pops out of the house |
| 23:06.43 | SilentSwan | hot |
| 23:06.52 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:07.08 | A_Meteorite | I really want a server room |
| 23:07.24 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 23:07.35 | bryjen | now where's the spit? |
| 23:07.37 | A_Meteorite | preferably outside with it's own generator and special fire sprinkler system |
| 23:07.47 | A_Meteorite | ... |
| 23:07.54 | RPG_ | now why would you want that, met? |
| 23:08.06 | bryjen | Oh, here it is |
| 23:08.08 | A_Meteorite | I'm not sure. |
| 23:08.11 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 23:08.15 | SilentSwan | you wouldn't be thinking of roast swan, would you? |
| 23:08.24 | DTRemenak | mmm, roast swan |
| 23:08.29 | SilentSwan | *eeek* |
| 23:08.33 | brlcad | mm |
| 23:08.38 | A_Meteorite | if I ever wanted a server business that would be the way to go. ;) |
| 23:09.44 | SilentSwan | mmm... mostaccioli (sp?) with a cream-based red sauce, romano cheese, italian sausage.... very tasty |
| 23:10.06 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 23:10.14 | DTRemenak | swan sausage? |
| 23:10.20 | SilentSwan | *honk* |
| 23:10.31 | SilentSwan | meanie |
| 23:10.41 | bryjen | (insert rude sausage reference here) |
| 23:10.48 | SilentSwan | uhh |
| 23:10.57 | SilentSwan | no |
| 23:13.50 | SilentSwan | well, if it is swan sausage *chomp* then it's very good swan *smack* *gulp* |
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| 23:19.02 | Aribeth | ahh got too close to the llama didn't you :P |
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| 23:27.32 | SilentSwan | oooh i ate too much *burp* |
| 23:27.43 | RPG_ | you can never eat TOO much |
| 23:27.56 | SilentSwan | my belly wasn't designed to hold all that |
| 23:27.58 | SilentSwan | *spew* |
| 23:27.58 | Aribeth | to much swan? |
| 23:28.01 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 23:28.12 | Aribeth | musta been good |
| 23:28.15 | SilentSwan | very |
| 23:28.32 | Aribeth | :) |
| 23:31.09 | brlcad | mm.. sushi might be on the menu tonight |
| 23:31.25 | brlcad | yes, I think it shall |
| 23:31.34 | SilentSwan | that's what i miss about working in downtown chicago... there was a great japanese place nearby with excellent sushi |
| 23:31.45 | SilentSwan | there's noplace good near where i live |
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| 23:32.24 | brlcad | there's no place real good up here either, but even mediocre is better than none for me when I get a sushi craving |
| 23:33.03 | brlcad | unagi and anagi are cooked |
| 23:33.16 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 23:33.22 | SilentSwan | i like fish cooked or uncooked, but eat very little of it... fish scares me a bit |
| 23:33.24 | brlcad | sushi doesn't mean raw fish :) |
| 23:33.30 | brlcad | that's just the best stuff |
| 23:33.30 | SilentSwan | considering it absorbs everything it swims in |
| 23:33.39 | Aribeth | oh |
| 23:33.57 | NoGutsNoGlory | i got a questionn |
| 23:34.07 | A_Meteorite | yes? |
| 23:34.13 | Aribeth | omega 3's are good for you |
| 23:34.25 | NoGutsNoGlory | whats the format for groups? |
| 23:34.25 | SilentSwan | yes, supposedly good for moods... |
| 23:34.37 | A_Meteorite | they are: |
| 23:34.39 | NoGutsNoGlory | i tried yourdmeteor |
| 23:34.45 | NoGutsNoGlory | they didnt work |
| 23:34.50 | A_Meteorite | LOCAL.GROUPNAME: permissions |
| 23:35.01 | A_Meteorite | you don't mess with the user database |
| 23:35.05 | A_Meteorite | it is created for you |
| 23:35.16 | RPG_ | err... i don't think there's a space between "AME: permis" |
| 23:35.36 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 23:35.40 | RPG_ | oh |
| 23:35.42 | A_Meteorite | that space does not matter |
| 23:35.43 | NoGutsNoGlory | okay |
| 23:35.45 | RPG_ | then BZSM is doing it wrong |
| 23:35.46 | A_Meteorite | I used one |
| 23:36.01 | RPG_ | NoGutsNoGlory: are you talking about a list of all the permissions? |
| 23:36.19 | NoGutsNoGlory | yea |
| 23:36.21 | SilentSwan | yeesh, i read BZSM as something else... |
| 23:36.24 | NoGutsNoGlory | no |
| 23:36.24 | NoGutsNoGlory | wait |
| 23:36.26 | NoGutsNoGlory | maybe |
| 23:36.29 | NoGutsNoGlory | thats good too |
| 23:36.45 | NoGutsNoGlory | but can someone show me an example useing maybe 3 perms |
| 23:36.54 | A_Meteorite | sure |
| 23:36.55 | RPG_ | i snagged a list from the source code a few weeks ago |
| 23:37.02 | A_Meteorite | LOCAL.GROUPNAME: permissions permissions permissions |
| 23:37.10 | A_Meteorite | just put spaces inbetween them |
| 23:37.14 | A_Meteorite | that's all :) |
| 23:37.15 | RPG_ | 'ACTIONMESSAGE', 'ADMINMESSAGERECEIVE', 'ADMINMESSAGESEND', 'ANTIBAN', 'ANTIDEREGISTER', 'ANTIKICK', 'ANTIKILL', 'ANTIPOLL', 'ANTIPOLLBAN', 'ANTIPOLLKICK', 'ANTIPOLLKILL', 'BAN', 'BANLIST', 'COUNTDOWN', 'DATE', 'ENDGAME', 'FLAGHISTORY', 'FLAGMASTER', 'FLAGMOD', 'HIDEADMIN', 'IDLESTATS', 'INFO', 'KICK', 'KILL', 'LAGSTATS', 'LAGWARN', 'LISTPERMS', 'MASTERBAN', 'MUTE', 'PLAYERLIST', 'POLL', 'POLLBAN', 'POLLKICK', 'POLLKILL', 'POLLSET', 'POLLFL |
| 23:37.21 | RPG_ | w/o the quote marks, and the commas |
| 23:37.30 | A_Meteorite | it's cut off' |
| 23:38.05 | NoGutsNoGlory | thanks |
| 23:41.34 | NoGutsNoGlory | another question |
| 23:41.44 | NoGutsNoGlory | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.49 | NoGutsNoGlory | what can i do? |
| 23:41.53 | NoGutsNoGlory | my file is fine |
| 23:42.16 | A_Meteorite | make sure you specify a -userdb |
| 23:42.22 | A_Meteorite | and make sure it's writing one |
| 23:47.41 | NoGutsNoGlory | whats the global password file? |
| 23:47.46 | NoGutsNoGlory | whats the url? |
| 23:47.53 | RPG_ | you mean master bans? |
| 23:47.57 | brad2901 | you're kidding? |
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| 23:49.23 | SilentSwan | is it just me or is the shoe website extremely confusing...? |
| 23:49.29 | SilentSwan | oh crap |
| 23:49.32 | SilentSwan | wrong channel :) |
| 23:50.04 | SilentSwan | probably just me anyway :P |
| 23:50.15 | NoGutsNoGlory | uhhh |
| 23:50.33 | NoGutsNoGlory | some guy sent me a report asking for global rregistration |
| 23:51.50 | brad2901 | tell him to register at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ then |
| 23:52.48 | NoGutsNoGlory | no |
| 23:52.55 | NoGutsNoGlory | i mean saying to support it |
| 23:55.19 | brad2901 | oh. err.. |
| 23:55.32 | brad2901 | must be on windows then |
