| 00:00.07 | spldart | Tupone... that line verbatim? replacing my line? |
| 00:00.22 | Tupone | what does your line says? |
| 00:00.28 | spldart | lemme check.. |
| 00:01.18 | JeffM2501 | word up to the italaia! |
| 00:03.29 | spldart | " /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27.2.k7 root=/dev/hda2 ro " |
| 00:03.52 | bz3298 | wasnt me,becasue a meteriote couldnt kill no1 either |
| 00:03.59 | bz3298 | and l4m3r coudlnt |
| 00:04.02 | bz3298 | he things its a bug |
| 00:04.34 | Tupone | :( if single does not work and you don't want to install everything again. Get a rescue cd |
| 00:04.50 | Tupone | if you don't have, get a minimal installation cd from gentoo |
| 00:04.54 | Tupone | you can burn it |
| 00:05.05 | Tupone | and you can use has a rescue |
| 00:05.11 | JeffM2501 | rescue iPods are much cooler then rescue CDs :) |
| 00:05.20 | spldart | the line before is root=(0,1) or something like that |
| 00:05.35 | spldart | okies |
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| 00:06.14 | spldart | I'll try single one more time then try a live cd or rescue disk... if I get up on a prompt though where should I start in getting this fixed |
| 00:08.50 | spldart | Ah hah! |
| 00:08.55 | spldart | I'm at prompt... |
| 00:09.00 | Tupone | ok |
| 00:09.06 | spldart | where should I start looking for the problem? |
| 00:09.16 | Tupone | /etc/inittab |
| 00:09.27 | Tupone | use caution with that |
| 00:09.38 | Tupone | is a text file |
| 00:09.43 | spldart | is this a configuration file? |
| 00:09.45 | spldart | ahy |
| 00:09.48 | spldart | nano? |
| 00:09.56 | Tupone | nano or vi |
| 00:10.19 | Tupone | look at gdm |
| 00:10.23 | spldart | got it |
| 00:10.31 | Tupone | put a comment before |
| 00:11.34 | spldart | gdm and xdm aren't there |
| 00:11.36 | spldart | grr |
| 00:12.13 | spldart | I don't understand. I installed gdm just so the kids would have the shutdown/reboot options on the logout menu in gnome |
| 00:12.58 | Tupone | look for :5: |
| 00:13.56 | Tupone | well .. better look for initdefault before |
| 00:15.05 | spldart | :id:2:initdefault: ? |
| 00:15.11 | Tupone | ok. |
| 00:15.18 | Tupone | then close this file |
| 00:15.26 | Tupone | and go to /etc/rc2.d |
| 00:16.52 | spldart | I'm in directory rc2.d |
| 00:17.49 | Tupone | look for *gdm* |
| 00:18.41 | spldart | alrighty... opened S99gdm |
| 00:18.55 | Tupone | close it and rename to s99gdm |
| 00:19.22 | Tupone | remember to rename back to S99gdm when you 'll fix things |
| 00:19.22 | spldart | >rename S99gdm s99gdm ? |
| 00:19.28 | Tupone | yep |
| 00:19.31 | spldart | ok... |
| 00:19.42 | Tupone | s/rename/mv/ |
| 00:20.02 | Tupone | I guess is the same |
| 00:20.26 | spldart | grrr not allowed strict subs level 1 |
| 00:20.35 | Tupone | what? |
| 00:20.43 | Tupone | cannot move |
| 00:20.47 | spldart | cannot rename |
| 00:20.55 | Tupone | try to move |
| 00:21.01 | spldart | ok... |
| 00:21.09 | brlcad | Touheh, not "that" bad (collision detection code comment) ;) |
| 00:22.05 | brlcad | s/Touheh/ToughShooter/ who is apparently not here which explains why the tab completion didn't work |
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| 00:23.09 | spldart | can't move |
| 00:23.18 | spldart | I'm root |
| 00:23.24 | Tupone | mount -o remount -o rw / |
| 00:24.43 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ping |
| 00:25.24 | JeffM2501 | huh... who ... what...? |
| 00:25.31 | Thumper_ | sorry to wake you ;) |
| 00:25.40 | Thumper_ | what's the plan for plugin source in HEAD ? |
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| 00:26.42 | JeffM2501 | plan? |
| 00:26.44 | spldart | remounted..... can you quote me a line to move the file in case I'm doing it wrong cuz I still can't move it :( |
| 00:26.47 | spldart | or rename it |
| 00:27.05 | Thumper_ | can I add new plugins there? or are they moving to a different module/project ? |
| 00:27.14 | JeffM2501 | I say add em |
| 00:27.25 | JeffM2501 | if somone moves em, then they at least be all on once place |
| 00:27.59 | Tupone | spldart: if you just type mount, what does it says? |
| 00:28.02 | Tupone | ro or rw |
| 00:28.28 | Thumper_ | ok there was talk at some point about maybe splitting them out into |
| 00:28.36 | Thumper_ | a separate project |
| 00:28.40 | Thumper_ | just wasn't sure if anything was decided |
| 00:28.59 | JeffM2501 | there is talk about lots of things :) |
| 00:29.02 | spldart | rw |
| 00:29.02 | Thumper_ | :D |
| 00:29.05 | Thumper_ | talk is good |
| 00:29.05 | JeffM2501 | if it had been decided, it woudl have been done |
| 00:29.12 | JeffM2501 | and you'd have no place in head to check them into :) |
| 00:29.42 | Thumper_ | ok :) |
| 00:29.52 | Tupone | spldart: cd /etc/rc2.d;mv S99gdm s99gdm |
| 00:30.23 | spldart | ok... just got it moved |
| 00:30.38 | Tupone | you can reboot now |
| 00:30.52 | spldart | oh... I did mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/S99gdm |
| 00:31.00 | spldart | okies... I'll reboot |
| 00:35.27 | spldart | ok this is what I have now |
| 00:36.06 | spldart | I can start, get to prompt and login... |
| 00:36.17 | spldart | I can start gnome but at that very instant the keyboard dies again |
| 00:36.40 | spldart | I can log out of gnome with mouse and back to prompt and boom... keyboard works again |
| 00:36.53 | Tupone | yep, you can try to reconfigure X, but without my help |
| 00:36.56 | Tupone | going to sleep |
| 00:37.00 | spldart | night night |
| 00:37.02 | spldart | thanks alot |
| 00:37.03 | spldart | :) |
| 00:59.14 | spldart | Thanks tupone wherever you are in slumber land.... rkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and everything works fine now... got S99gdm moved back and thats fine too :) |
| 01:01.07 | spldart | I'm really thinking it's important for me to learn more about linux and get my kids some exposure to linux to go along with windows... Good idea? |
| 01:20.44 | Thumper_ | DTRemenak: ping |
| 01:20.56 | DTRemenak | Thumper_: pong |
| 01:21.17 | Thumper_ | I understand you're doing merging between v2_0branch and HEAD |
| 01:21.26 | DTRemenak | have been, yeah |
| 01:21.41 | DTRemenak | need it synched again? |
| 01:21.41 | Thumper_ | I added some stuff to v2_0branch (only) |
| 01:21.46 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's fine |
| 01:21.48 | Thumper_ | do you want me to apply same patches to head |
| 01:21.52 | DTRemenak | doesn't matter |
| 01:21.53 | Thumper_ | or do v2_0branch only |
| 01:22.17 | Thumper_ | are most things in v2_0branch going to get merged into HEAD? |
| 01:22.29 | DTRemenak | yeah, just about everything will get merged in |
| 01:22.33 | Thumper_ | ok thanks. |
| 01:22.41 | Thumper_ | I'm just trying to make the merge easier later... |
| 01:23.04 | Thumper_ | if it doesn't matter then only updating v2_0branch works great for me |
| 01:23.41 | JeffM2501 | in this reporters opinion, if this nation, or in fact the world ever needed heros... that time is now... that time is now! |
| 01:24.40 | JeffM2501 | then maybe there should be :) |
| 01:25.13 | Thumper_ | eek |
| 01:25.23 | Thumper_ | did you have to put on the green spandex??!!?? |
| 01:25.46 | TheGreenJeffM | naw, TheGreenJeffM, perfers cargo pants |
| 01:25.55 | Thumper_ | :D |
| 01:25.56 | Ice_Wewe | hehe |
| 01:25.59 | Ice_Wewe | :D |
| 01:26.14 | TheGreenJeffM | no pockets on spandex |
| 01:26.21 | Thumper_ | it stretches... |
| 01:26.21 | Ice_Wewe | ;) |
| 01:26.37 | TheGreenJeffM | still dosn't mean it has pockets |
| 01:26.39 | Ice_Wewe | Thumper_: good for when you're going to be eating a lot of veggies and loosing weight |
| 01:26.45 | TheGreenJeffM | Where does supererman keep his change? |
| 01:26.47 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: you could add some on |
| 01:26.54 | TheGreenJeffM | you see that's why he's allways askin Batman for stuff |
| 01:26.56 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: in a coin purse... |
| 01:27.01 | TheGreenJeffM | batman put pockets in his belt |
| 01:27.30 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: yea, but who needs change when you're super? you just run and the speed of a bullet train and get it |
| 01:27.40 | Thumper_ | BatMan just flashes the BatCard and charges everything to some numbered account at Wayne Enterprises |
| 01:27.46 | TheGreenJeffM | all thos powers won't help you buy a burito when you get hungry |
| 01:27.56 | spldart | My Mr. Happy is a super hero :) |
| 01:28.03 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: why not? you run home and get you're buck fifty, or what ever |
| 01:28.21 | TheGreenJeffM | then you have to cary it |
| 01:28.23 | TheGreenJeffM | that's lame |
| 01:28.25 | TheGreenJeffM | pockets man |
| 01:28.30 | TheGreenJeffM | wave of the future I tell you! |
| 01:28.51 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: you're super, what do you care? and you'd still have to carry the weight in your pockets, plus the weight of the fabric... |
| 01:29.03 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: also, you can't run so fast in cargo pants, I'd know... |
| 01:29.04 | TheGreenJeffM | if your super the weitght dosn't mater |
| 01:29.15 | TheGreenJeffM | but if you hold it in your hand it could fall out at super speed |
| 01:29.31 | TheGreenJeffM | who wants to run with a wad of quarters in there hands |
| 01:29.33 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: if it was in your pocket, the pocket could rip off at super speed |
| 01:29.44 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: then carry a $50 around |
| 01:29.44 | Thumper_ | sounds like a good crime fighting weapon to me... |
| 01:29.47 | TheGreenJeffM | not if it's made out of the same stuff as the suit, that seems to stand up |
| 01:29.54 | Thumper_ | roll of quarters at superspeed... |
| 01:29.59 | TheGreenJeffM | lock in a sock |
| 01:30.21 | TheGreenJeffM | where does he keep his house keeys? |
| 01:30.27 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: just put your money in your supershoe, unless it was made in China, it should withstand super speeds |
| 01:30.48 | TheGreenJeffM | then you'd step on it and it'd get all super squished |
| 01:30.49 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: who needs house keys when you're super? just walk through the wall |
| 01:30.59 | TheGreenJeffM | you don't want 20 bucks itching you when you are kicking somone |
| 01:31.06 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: hehe |
| 01:31.10 | TheGreenJeffM | Ice_Wewe, then you end up spending all the money on new wals |
| 01:31.26 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: but you're super, you just fix it at the speed of a bullet train ;) |
| 01:31.32 | TheGreenJeffM | pockets solve every single problem |
| 01:31.39 | TheGreenJeffM | thats still extra work |
| 01:31.47 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: you win. |
| 01:31.51 | TheGreenJeffM | just because your super donsn't mean you have to bust open everything |
| 01:32.13 | TheGreenJeffM | Clark Kent has pockets |
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| 01:33.54 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: talk to the animators |
| 01:34.37 | Ice_Wewe | question, where in the source does it say that admins can't be kicked? |
| 01:34.48 | Thumper_ | it's a priv |
| 01:34.50 | TheGreenJeffM | antiban perm |
| 01:34.55 | TheGreenJeffM | admins have all perms |
| 01:34.57 | Thumper_ | antikick actually |
| 01:35.00 | TheGreenJeffM | yeah |
| 01:35.01 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: is that on the server side? or on the client side? |
| 01:35.06 | TheGreenJeffM | server |
| 01:35.06 | Thumper_ | server |
| 01:35.10 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 01:35.11 | TheGreenJeffM | client dosn't do antyhing with perms |
| 01:35.18 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: smart idea |
| 01:35.30 | Ice_Wewe | Thumper_: you just noticed that? |
| 01:35.48 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 01:35.53 | Ice_Wewe | Thumper_: I keep waiting till there is an average super hero... one that has to walk, or drive everywhere, just like normal people |
| 01:36.12 | Thumper_ | go watch the Incredibles... |
| 01:36.43 | TheGreenJeffM | batman has to drive |
| 01:37.35 | Ice_Wewe | Thumper_: they're not normal |
| 01:37.41 | Thumper_ | Buddy |
| 01:37.41 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: in a fancy car |
| 01:37.46 | Thumper_ | the villan |
| 01:37.55 | Ice_Wewe | Thumper_: he doesn't count, he is a super villan |
| 01:37.56 | TheGreenJeffM | if you could have a fancy car, would you not want one? |
| 01:38.01 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: oh yea |
| 01:38.02 | Thumper_ | oh - right. |
| 01:38.22 | TheGreenJeffM | go Play City Of heros, everyone takes the bus |
| 01:38.45 | TheGreenJeffM | mass transit for JUSTICE!!! |
| 01:41.06 | Ice_Wewe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.06 | Ice_Wewe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.06 | Ice_Wewe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.13 | Ice_Wewe | I thought you said this was all on the server side |
| 01:41.36 | TheGreenJeffM | the hud has to read some of the perm like settings |
| 01:41.39 | TheGreenJeffM | but it can't set them |
| 01:41.46 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: ahh, got you now... |
| 01:41.48 | TheGreenJeffM | there are also tools that help out with baning |
| 01:41.51 | TheGreenJeffM | and they read them too |
| 01:41.56 | Ice_Wewe | TheGreenJeffM: ok |
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| 04:06.18 | Thumper_ | hey jeff |
| 04:06.51 | Thumper_ | do loaded plugin names have to be unique? [YES] |
| 04:07.37 | Thumper_ | can two plugins register for the same custom slash command? [YES] |
| 04:08.21 | Thumper_ | [expected answers are in brackets] :) |
| 04:08.40 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ping |
| 04:10.37 | Thumper_ | so.. is it possible for a plugin to handle the /unloadplugin command so that some plugins won't be unloaded unless the user is an operator? |
| 04:17.24 | mbfg | or waited to see if he was here |
| 04:17.37 | Thumper_ | he can scroll back |
| 04:17.41 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 04:18.15 | Thumper_ | I'd just forget all the questions if he took too long to wake up |
| 04:18.27 | Thumper_ | so at least this way they are recorded |
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| 04:55.31 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ping2 |
| 04:58.23 | Thumper_ | ohwell it's late - time to sleep. night all |
| 05:04.51 | jpa- | morning thumpy |
| 05:11.46 | Aribeth | hello jpa- |
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| 12:29.50 | mmj | anyone here seen mouse movement problem with 2.0.4 on linux x86-64? |
| 12:31.25 | mmj | it takes a tiny amount of time from when I move the mouse, until the pointer have actually moved, making it happen in "chunks" |
| 12:42.27 | mmj | I see this entry in the changelog: |
| 12:42.39 | mmj | * Jitter compensation removed. Too bad behaviour on ME players - Tupone Alfredo |
| 12:42.50 | mmj | COuldn't it bee this makes bzflag behave differently on x86_64? |
| 12:43.21 | Thumper_ | morning jpa- |
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| 13:19.16 | Chestal | mmj: are you using vsync? |
| 13:19.27 | mmj | Chestal: vsync? |
| 13:19.44 | mmj | Chestal: I've found something that fixes the problem, but it's still a bit weird |
| 13:19.48 | Chestal | mmj: yes, synchronize drawing with refresh rate |
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| 13:20.03 | mmj | Chestal: dunno actually |
| 13:20.20 | mmj | Chestal: but fun thing is...after more investigating, it only happens with openbox as windowmanager |
| 13:20.23 | Chestal | mmj: when I with Debian Linux, ATI drivfers, activate vsync, I get delayed frames |
| 13:20.39 | Chestal | mmj: I can fix this by adding a glFInish() or similar to bz code |
| 13:20.51 | mmj | Chestal: frames are fine, it was only mouse movement. |
| 13:21.05 | mmj | as in the pointer moving in big chunks over the screen |
| 13:21.13 | Chestal | ah, so the pointer itself is delayed, too? |
| 13:21.17 | Chestal | not only reaction of tank? |
| 13:21.24 | mmj | the reaction of the tank is not |
| 13:21.29 | mmj | with keyboard all is fine |
| 13:21.41 | Chestal | ok, then it's something different |
| 13:21.49 | mmj | Chestal: but now I'm using another windowmanager and it works again |
| 13:22.06 | Chestal | maybe related to soft/hard pointer somehow? |
| 13:22.09 | mmj | Chestal: actually not |
| 13:22.40 | mmj | Chestal: it's as soon as I use some kind of key grabber |
| 13:23.12 | Chestal | the jitter compensation is unrelated, however |
| 13:23.14 | mmj | I usually have F1 -> xterm |
| 13:23.20 | mmj | F4 -> firefox |
| 13:23.28 | mmj | F7 -> BZFlag and so on |
| 13:23.55 | mmj | Chestal: I wonder what can have changed in that area between 2.0.2 and 2.0.4 that makes this happen |
| 13:24.13 | mmj | Chestal: which windowmanager are you using? |
| 13:24.15 | Chestal | mmj: hmm, ad-hoc I am not aware of anything that could be related |
| 13:24.33 | Chestal | metacity, the simple one, gnome default |
| 13:24.42 | mmj | Chestal: is there a key grabbin util? |
| 13:25.07 | Chestal | mmj: well, it has some hotkeys, I defined some to change volume etc. |
| 13:25.17 | Chestal | when bzflag is run fullscreen,it grabs those events, though |
| 13:26.52 | mmj | Chestal: it does, you're right, we're getting closer |
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| 13:27.20 | mmj | Chestal: what's your resolution of your monitor? |
| 13:27.35 | Chestal | mmj: it could possibly also be a change in SDL |
| 13:27.55 | Chestal | desktop runs at 1280x1024, bzflag fullscreen usually at 1024x768 |
| 13:28.19 | mmj | Chestal: try bzflag -window -geometry 1024x768 and tell me if you see it |
| 13:28.33 | Chestal | I'm in the office now, not on my bzflag home PC |
| 13:28.42 | Chestal | and I do not have the delay |
| 13:28.50 | Chestal | only with vsync, but that's a slightly different effect |
| 13:28.58 | mmj | if I start it in fullscreen it works fine |
| 13:29.14 | mmj | also if I press f1 to have it windowized |
| 13:29.17 | mmj | it's only when initially started in a window it happens |
| 13:29.27 | Chestal | hmm, -window and switchign with F1 should be the same |
| 13:29.34 | Chestal | ok, different window size possibly |
| 13:29.50 | Chestal | does it make a difference if you confine mouse or not? |
| 13:30.11 | mmj | nope, no difference |
| 13:31.45 | Chestal | hmm, out of good ideas for now (and must talk to boss :-( |
| 13:32.20 | mmj | Chestal: thanks anyway |
| 13:38.21 | _Manu_ | mmj, are you using gpm if true, disable it |
| 13:43.19 | _Manu_ | jitter compensation removed, has nothing to do with your problem |
| 13:49.31 | mmj | $ /etc/init.d/gpm status |
| 13:49.31 | mmj | Checking for console mouse support (gpm): unused |
| 13:49.35 | mmj | _Manu_: ok |
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| 14:20.38 | ToughShooter | menotume: ping |
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| 14:32.11 | Birdie | i think meno is doing something wrong, 1vs1 no acces, silvercat neither:) |
| 14:32.17 | menotume | ToughShooter: I'm working on it :) |
| 14:32.24 | menotume | it wasn't me |
| 14:32.59 | Birdie | who else?:) |
| 14:32.59 | menotume | i'm gusessing that my providor upgraded forums ... in the process they made the dirs owned by root :( |
| 14:37.26 | ToughShooter | what I wonder is that now even / is not accessable |
| 14:38.05 | menotume | i can't even access then with ssh |
| 14:38.13 | ToughShooter | eww |
| 14:38.40 | ToughShooter | usually that's a not so good sign :( |
| 14:38.45 | menotume | heh |
| 14:48.10 | jpa- | morning Thumper_ |
| 14:48.12 | ToughShooter | it works again :o |
| 14:48.12 | menotume | ToughShooter: try now |
| 14:48.16 | menotume | hehe |
| 14:53.28 | ToughShooter | menotume: How did you change? |
| 14:54.09 | menotume | support request |
| 14:55.17 | ToughShooter | okay :) |
| 14:57.57 | blast007 | is trigger-happy>elite< a known cheater? |
| 14:58.53 | blast007 | 2005-11-22 07:16:33: Player trigger-happy>elite< [0] trying to stop the unexistent shot id 4 |
| 14:59.31 | *** part/#bzflag mmj (n=mmj@0x503e4c98.odnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 14:59.52 | blast007 | k |
| 15:02.25 | Grumbler | ban'em, i dont like the name ;) |
| 15:02.54 | blast007 | hehe, already did ;) |
| 15:03.21 | blast007 | they had about 10 of the end shot messages, and tried to grab a distant flag |
| 15:04.22 | ToughShooter | I wonder why they keep getting kicked |
| 15:04.45 | ToughShooter | One would think they would cheat n times and then stop |
| 15:08.17 | *** join/#bzflag revol (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-26-115.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:11.29 | blast007 | strange this is that it never kicked them |
| 15:11.38 | blast007 | only kick they got was for lag ;) |
| 15:13.08 | Grumbler | ~blast007++ |
| 15:48.05 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (n=SportChi@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 15:49.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add plugin event: bz_ePlayerAuthEvent |
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| 16:55.46 | Thumper_ | cvs status -V README |
| 16:55.51 | Thumper_ | or not :) |
| 16:56.09 | *** part/#bzflag RoMy (n=RoMy@cs181130193.pp.htv.fi) |
| 17:04.56 | ruskie | gaahh I need to get my edge back in bzflag... |
| 17:05.22 | ruskie | haven't played in a week and I'm bearly able to dodge bullets... |
| 17:05.24 | Grumbler | ruskie, you had an edge? |
| 17:06.20 | Grumbler | always both :) |
| 17:06.28 | ruskie | :) |
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| 17:08.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
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| 17:34.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
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| 17:37.36 | gsnedders | is there any documentation as of how to query a server? |
| 17:37.47 | gsnedders | to get the players, their scores |
| 17:37.49 | gsnedders | etc. |
| 17:38.06 | ruskie | there are some scripts available afaik :) |
| 17:38.43 | SilentSwan | ~bzfquery shattered.bzflag.bz:2982 |
| 17:39.12 | SilentSwan | it appears no one is home, but that script should return the info you're after |
| 17:40.04 | SilentSwan | there are a number of scripts to be found in the misc subdirectory of the source tree |
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| 17:45.24 | gsnedders | the PHP one just spits up loads of errors... |
| 17:45.29 | gsnedders | (under E_ALL) |
| 17:50.09 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 17:56.10 | gsnedders | and would it be possible in javascript? |
| 17:57.51 | Grumbler | all things are possible |
| 17:58.00 | gsnedders | :) |
| 17:58.13 | Thumper_ | as long as you can send data to an internet socket, read and parse the results you can use whatever language you like |
| 18:00.16 | gsnedders | so I thought... but I have no documentation to work from... and the only script in a language I know doesn't work |
| 18:00.43 | Thumper_ | there is a python version - bzfquery.py |
| 18:01.04 | gsnedders | I don't know Python or Perl, so they are pretty useless for me |
| 18:01.11 | Thumper_ | the perl one is broken? |
| 18:01.23 | Thumper_ | or which script are you referring to |
| 18:01.36 | gsnedders | PHP |
| 18:01.44 | Thumper_ | ah |
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| 18:21.10 | blast007 | gsnedders: the PHP one is being rewritten |
| 18:21.37 | blast007 | it is currently broken for 2.0.4 servers |
| 18:26.06 | JeffM2501 | good lord, one of the spamers actualy ACTIVATED an account |
| 18:27.40 | SportChick | hehe |
| 18:28.19 | JeffM2501 | so is mozul happy with his new toy? |
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| 18:33.33 | *** join/#bzflag brain0 (i=thomas@port-212-202-8-152.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 18:33.47 | brain0 | hi guys, I really need help :( |
| 18:34.05 | jpa- | ~ask |
| 18:34.07 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 18:34.09 | brain0 | sometimes, bzflag simply "hangs" every 30 seconds or so |
| 18:34.16 | brain0 | and I can't figure out why |
| 18:34.23 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 18:34.26 | jpa- | operating system and version? |
| 18:34.29 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, that is a horible article |
| 18:34.30 | brain0 | but sometimes, it runs perfectly for hours |
| 18:34.37 | brain0 | hm, linux 2.6.14 |
| 18:34.45 | brain0 | and bzflag version .... |
| 18:34.46 | JeffM2501 | a laptop? |
| 18:34.55 | brain0 | BZFlag client 2.0.2.20050801-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 18:35.01 | JeffM2501 | that is older |
| 18:35.03 | JeffM2501 | we have 2.0.4 now |
| 18:35.05 | brain0 | no, desktop, nvidia, newest nvidia driver |
| 18:35.15 | JeffM2501 | hard to say |
| 18:35.20 | brain0 | wow, why didn't they (my distro's guys) update it? |
| 18:35.36 | JeffM2501 | I'd upgrade, then maybe run in a window with TOP running to see if anything is eating your CPU |
| 18:35.48 | JeffM2501 | distros update at difrent times |
| 18:35.51 | JeffM2501 | what distro you on? |
| 18:35.56 | brain0 | archlinux |
| 18:36.01 | jpa- | for how long does it hang, fractions of seconds, couple of seconds, tens of seconds? |
| 18:36.02 | JeffM2501 | don't know them |
| 18:36.05 | brain0 | they stay bleeding edge |
| 18:36.14 | brain0 | hm, about a second or two |
| 18:36.14 | JeffM2501 | guess they missed a cut then |
| 18:36.23 | brain0 | sometimes only half a second |
| 18:37.01 | jpa- | hmm.. could it be harddisk powersaving? .. while not probably on a desktop computer |
| 18:37.04 | JeffM2501 | you can build 2.0.4 from the datrball |
| 18:37.10 | JeffM2501 | tarball even |
| 18:37.22 | brain0 | no, hardware doesn't spin down |
| 18:37.30 | JeffM2501 | update, see if that helps, there was some framerate limitng stuff that could cuaseproblems in the olders ones |
| 18:37.36 | brain0 | a minute ago, this happened as soon as I entered the game |
| 18:37.39 | brain0 | after 3 seconds |
| 18:37.42 | JeffM2501 | if not, run top and see who uses what |
| 18:37.43 | brain0 | or 5 |
| 18:38.08 | brain0 | well I'll try to compile newest version first, does it compile cleanly with gcc 4? |
| 18:38.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:38.19 | brain0 | and is it better using sdl or not using sdl? |
| 18:38.25 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 had BAD problems with gcc4 |
| 18:38.28 | JeffM2501 | use SDL |
| 18:38.30 | Aribeth | hands* |
| 18:38.36 | JeffM2501 | SDL is the default |
| 18:38.52 | JeffM2501 | sorry 2.0.2 had problems with GCC4 |
| 18:38.58 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 fixes those problems |
| 18:39.03 | brain0 | yes, I know, it was compiled with gcc3 here afaik |
| 18:39.13 | JeffM2501 | that itslef could be your problem |
| 18:39.49 | brain0 | it's just strange, that the problem disappeared yesterday after the 4th time I started bzflag |
| 18:39.51 | gsnedders | blast007: any plans to get it working under E_ALL? |
| 18:39.53 | brain0 | I played for 2 houts then |
| 18:40.08 | JeffM2501 | you arn't going to find out anything untill you do something |
| 18:40.13 | JeffM2501 | so pondering on it won't help |
| 18:40.18 | JeffM2501 | just upgrade :) |
| 18:41.13 | brain0 | the original package is compiled with -O2 -march=i686, is it safe to use -O3 ? |
| 18:41.21 | JeffM2501 | should be |
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| 18:42.58 | brain0 | ok, getting the sources now, I'll tell you how it turns out |
| 18:45.48 | Tupone | brain0: probably your 2.0.2 was built without cares |
| 18:46.05 | JeffM2501 | that is probably true |
| 18:46.16 | JeffM2501 | DNS would be async then |
| 18:46.19 | Tupone | and that explain why you block |
| 18:46.27 | JeffM2501 | sync not asyng |
| 18:46.30 | JeffM2501 | man I suck today |
| 18:46.43 | JeffM2501 | wait did I agree with Tupone again/ |
| 18:46.45 | brain0 | without what? |
| 18:46.54 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:47.03 | JeffM2501 | there is a lib that iibcurl can be made with called cares |
| 18:47.09 | JeffM2501 | it lets it do async DNS lookups |
| 18:47.11 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 uses it |
| 18:47.16 | JeffM2501 | well will try |
| 18:47.38 | JeffM2501 | you cuold be pausing because in your version the DNS lookup blocks till it is done |
| 18:48.03 | brain0 | what dns would it look up every 5-10 seconds? |
| 18:48.30 | Pimpi | stumpgrinder: ping |
| 18:48.32 | JeffM2501 | it can do a couple lookups |
| 18:48.38 | JeffM2501 | it may not be your prlbem |
| 18:48.54 | JeffM2501 | the solution is the same, upgrade |
| 18:49.32 | Tupone | brain0: you said sometime you block for 30 seconds ... I suppose during the startup or when connecting to a server. Is nt so? |
| 18:49.56 | brain0 | no, I can play for 30 seconds, it blocks for about 1 or 2 seconds |
| 18:50.14 | Tupone | ok, sorry I misunderstood |
| 18:50.16 | brain0 | checking for ares_init in -lcares... no |
| 18:50.17 | brain0 | configure: WARNING: using an internal c-ares lib. |
| 18:50.30 | brain0 | might that be the problem? |
| 18:51.20 | Tupone | probably not your problem. Still I bless only a curl that uses c-ares. And yours probably is not |
| 18:51.38 | brain0 | no, there is no c-ares installed, so my curl doesn't use it |
| 18:52.09 | brain0 | that's the next thing I'll try if it isn't fixed with the new version |
| 18:53.06 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, you are a member of the clergy? |
| 18:53.18 | Tupone | possibly .. who are those? |
| 18:53.25 | JeffM2501 | preist |
| 18:53.27 | JeffM2501 | church |
| 18:53.31 | JeffM2501 | godlings |
| 18:53.32 | Tupone | well, not |
| 18:53.42 | JeffM2501 | but you bless? ;) |
| 18:53.52 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:58.06 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Sorry, I came playing and it crashed. I must really be the problem :( |
| 18:58.19 | _Manu_ | I see :) |
| 18:59.09 | ToughShooter | at least one resource editor I've written in the past worked, though the most used functions have been in O(2^n) |
| 18:59.19 | _Manu_ | running again :) |
| 19:02.21 | Pimpi | ToughShooter: no, it was stumpgrinder |
| 19:02.46 | Pimpi | i told him to try to see if his problems are gone now |
| 19:02.54 | Pimpi | seems they are not |
| 19:03.37 | Pimpi | mixing the teams ;) |
| 19:04.05 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, another server crash :) |
| 19:04.07 | *** join/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=silent@unaffiliated/silentswan) |
| 19:04.18 | Pimpi | really? |
| 19:04.25 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 19:04.39 | stumpgrinder | now i did nothing |
| 19:04.40 | _Manu_ | shutdown? |
| 19:04.52 | Pimpi | not me |
| 19:04.56 | Pimpi | you restarted? |
| 19:05.06 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 19:05.07 | Pimpi | proces is running |
| 19:05.13 | _Manu_ | now it's ok |
| 19:05.44 | _Manu_ | server crashed and I restarted it |
| 19:06.01 | Pimpi | hm |
| 19:06.10 | *** part/#bzflag stumpgrinder (n=jambo@ach9-d9bba0ad.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 19:06.16 | brain0 | seems much better now with the new version (even without installing this c-ares stuff) |
| 19:07.10 | brain0 | well *seems* better - I just played a few minutes without any hangs |
| 19:07.43 | brain0 | anyway, I'll get back to what I wanted to do originally - play :) |
| 19:07.45 | brain0 | thx guys |
| 19:08.31 | Pimpi | linking c-ares statically into libcurl helped a lot here |
| 19:14.07 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ping |
| 19:19.25 | ToughShooter | Why is $callsign in "/clientquery $callsign" case sensitive? (at least i) |
| 19:19.42 | ToughShooter | (at least on viper it was) |
| 19:27.46 | _Manu_ | because buggy :( |
| 19:28.01 | _Manu_ | and viper server is 2.0.3 |
| 19:28.27 | _Manu_ | someone fixed it iirc and the name between "" too |
| 19:29.28 | ToughShooter | One would think the server would not be involved when asking the version of client from a specific player |
| 19:29.37 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, ? |
| 19:29.58 | Thumper_ | I have some more plugin related questions if you have a few minutes |
| 19:30.04 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 19:30.47 | Thumper_ | plugin registration: names are saved as lowercase |
| 19:31.05 | Thumper_ | if a plugin is loaded twice should the 2nd one be rejected? |
| 19:31.18 | Thumper_ | if not is the first one no longer available to /unloadplugin ? |
| 19:32.12 | JeffM2501 | can't have 2 with the same name |
| 19:32.19 | JeffM2501 | I'd think second load would fail with an error |
| 19:32.35 | JeffM2501 | unload plugin should work with any exact name |
| 19:33.10 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, one thing is what you think.. and another what it is ;) |
| 19:34.03 | Thumper_ | ok it doesn't seem to work that way |
| 19:34.05 | JeffM2501 | muast go now |
| 19:34.07 | JeffM2501 | be back later |
| 19:34.08 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 19:34.10 | Thumper_ | catch ya later |
| 19:35.33 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: It reminds me to my old program. I thought the function had a constant time need but nowadays I realize I made *bad* design decisions regarding time and therefore comes O(2^n) in the most _often_ used algorithms... :( |
| 19:36.40 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, the game is as it is.. things are getting better slowly but no pause :) |
| 19:39.16 | Thumper_ | ' |
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| 19:40.58 | Groovy | who is Spud_an_anarchist ?? |
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| 19:53.55 | *** part/#bzflag Groovy (n=opera@86.61.21.181) |
| 20:02.52 | ToughShooter | Can someone enlighten me about what I need to test bzls? Is the database just a standard phpbb-db? |
| 20:11.30 | *** part/#bzflag brain0 (i=thomas@port-212-202-8-152.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 20:11.48 | *** join/#bzflag jujibo (n=jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:33.43 | *** join/#bzflag bz8830 (n=18dae8d5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:34.12 | bz8830 | does any1 no of a program to save png pictures,,im customizing my data/ for bzflag |
| 20:34.56 | Tupone | bz8830: do you pay for number of character transmitted ? |
| 20:35.12 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:35.17 | blast007 | 1) MSPaint in Windows XP 2) XnView 3) The Gimp |
| 20:35.35 | *** join/#bzflag Guthix68 (n=443a8ee5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:35.50 | Guthix68 | hi |
| 20:35.54 | blast007 | hello |
| 20:35.55 | Guthix68 | i am new |
| 20:36.08 | Guthix68 | how do u play the game? |
| 20:36.21 | Tupone | most people play it with mouse |
| 20:36.27 | Guthix68 | lol |
| 20:36.27 | blast007 | lol |
| 20:36.36 | Guthix68 | no how do i get to the game? |
| 20:36.52 | blast007 | Join Game > Find Servers |
| 20:37.08 | Guthix68 | on the main menu? |
| 20:37.10 | blast007 | pick one with players, hit enter, then type a name for yourself, pick your team, etc, and hit join |
| 20:37.13 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:37.28 | Guthix68 | ok thanks |
| 20:37.28 | blast007 | also, there is a Help menu in the game, should give lots of info about how to play |
| 20:37.35 | Guthix68 | ok |
| 20:38.19 | Tupone | I really thought he was asking the way to play keyboard/mouse/joystick :) |
| 20:38.31 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:44.08 | bz8830 | cyah t,.y |
| 21:13.38 | Grumbler | ban'em |
| 21:14.05 | ToughShooter | There was a player yesterday at silvercat that asked me how to join, how to drive and to shoot. After I told him he continued to join as observer and questioned again etc. |
| 21:14.17 | blast007 | lol |
| 21:15.08 | ToughShooter | that went around 3 times in a row, then he left |
| 21:15.36 | Grumbler | you should have banned him after the second time |
| 21:16.00 | ToughShooter | nah, I'm no more mean |
| 21:16.20 | Grumbler | err, had |
| 21:17.01 | ToughShooter | Then find out how I can test mods on list server locally and tell me :) |
| 21:17.28 | Grumbler | you cant run bzfs locally? |
| 21:17.36 | Grumbler | err, fls |
| 21:17.39 | ToughShooter | bzls.php |
| 21:18.03 | JeffM2501 | you would need a phpbb |
| 21:18.19 | ToughShooter | ah, so it's a standard phpbb-db |
| 21:18.25 | JeffM2501 | basicly |
| 21:18.34 | JeffM2501 | there are some special fieds, but it will add them |
| 21:18.48 | Grumbler | you didnt ask the right person |
| 21:18.52 | JeffM2501 | well I was at lunch |
| 21:19.00 | Grumbler | indian? |
| 21:19.05 | JeffM2501 | can't answer things I can't see |
| 21:19.06 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:19.07 | JeffM2501 | burgers |
| 21:19.09 | JeffM2501 | habbit |
| 21:19.09 | SilentSwan | mmm... |
| 21:19.13 | SilentSwan | i had indian for lunch :) |
| 21:19.15 | ToughShooter | I want to try to hack support for VERIFIED group for advertising in it |
| 21:19.35 | JeffM2501 | then just install a phpbb |
| 21:19.39 | JeffM2501 | and some users |
| 21:19.41 | JeffM2501 | and some groups |
| 21:20.08 | ToughShooter | sure :) |
| 21:22.03 | JeffM2501 | should take no more then 4.5 min to get going |
| 21:23.04 | SilentSwan | i blew off my job interview this morning... hmm |
| 21:23.07 | Grumbler | 4.5679 minutes if you are slow typer |
| 21:23.12 | SilentSwan | decided it wasn't worth it |
| 21:27.44 | JeffM2501 | what was it for? |
| 21:28.14 | SilentSwan | systems admin at around $95k/year |
| 21:28.29 | JeffM2501 | and what was not worth it? |
| 21:28.41 | SilentSwan | well... |
| 21:28.50 | SilentSwan | eh... forget it... long story |
| 21:29.04 | SilentSwan | in general, i just don't want to stay in IT |
| 21:29.18 | jacques | sounds like me |
| 21:29.24 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=Birdie__@d54C34DE9.access.telenet.be) |
| 21:29.28 | SilentSwan | i'll get the job, and 3 months or 6 months or 3 years or whatever down the road, the job will disappear to india or whatever |
| 21:29.30 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 21:29.43 | JeffM2501 | or rural US |
| 21:29.56 | SilentSwan | well, that i can deal with |
| 21:30.04 | SilentSwan | at least it's HERE |
| 21:30.15 | JeffM2501 | because when the great UnitedStates Theocracy closes all the doors to other heathen countrys they won't be able to use inida |
| 21:30.16 | SilentSwan | besides, i'd much rather live in the country anyway |
| 21:30.26 | SilentSwan | heh yeah |
| 21:30.36 | JeffM2501 | I wish it was "heh" |
| 21:31.24 | SilentSwan | i think it's pretty well on the way |
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| 21:38.13 | SilentSwan | i don't have to work thurs & friday. maybe i'll go home tomorrow, lay down and go to sleep and just stay that way for the entire 4 day weekend |
| 21:40.19 | PrezKennedy | whoo 5 day weekend! |
| 21:40.27 | PrezKennedy | i can work on projects projects and more projects! |
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| 21:42.57 | Birdie | does orchid sings? |
| 21:43.15 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:43.18 | JeffM2501 | well maybe |
| 21:43.24 | JeffM2501 | but not that I have heart |
| 21:43.25 | JeffM2501 | heard |
| 21:43.36 | JeffM2501 | I hear she makes a mean highball tho |
| 21:43.58 | Birdie | i'm very interested in hearing her sing now |
| 21:44.09 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to track her down |
| 21:44.22 | Birdie | i doubt i"ll ever get her to send me something:) |
| 21:44.36 | JeffM2501 | that is probably a true statement |
| 21:44.55 | gsnedders | is there any documentation regarding querying servers? |
| 21:45.03 | blast007 | the source code |
| 21:45.05 | JeffM2501 | not really |
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| 21:45.44 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 21:46.16 | blast007 | gsnedders: and no, not really any "plans" to make that script work under E_ALL |
| 21:46.24 | gsnedders | :( |
| 21:46.33 | JeffM2501 | the concept of polling servers is stupid |
| 21:46.39 | blast007 | doesn't mean it won't happen :) |
| 21:46.41 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:46.43 | gsnedders | :) |
| 21:46.45 | JeffM2501 | the list server should just get all that data and publish it |
| 21:46.50 | gsnedders | yeah |
| 21:46.56 | blast007 | I had some plans for that a while back... |
| 21:47.09 | gsnedders | but in what format would it publish it? |
| 21:47.12 | blast007 | maybe this summer I can plan around with the concept |
| 21:47.20 | JeffM2501 | I mean they are talking to it all the time anyway |
| 21:47.32 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, I'd have it do a couple ofmrats |
| 21:47.38 | blast007 | any format really, the server would just store the data, and spit out formats |
| 21:47.47 | JeffM2501 | RSS, data dump, form query |
| 21:47.51 | JeffM2501 | so other stuff could use it |
| 21:48.00 | gsnedders | XML would be pretty useful... |
| 21:48.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:48.13 | JeffM2501 | the output is the easy part |
| 21:48.23 | JeffM2501 | there are many uses for the data |
| 21:48.28 | JeffM2501 | so there may be multiple outputs |
| 21:48.28 | gsnedders | but coming up with a structure specifically for it... |
| 21:48.42 | gsnedders | that could be argued over for a while :P |
| 21:48.54 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you can come up wiht one structure for all uses |
| 21:48.57 | JeffM2501 | so don't try |
| 21:49.18 | gsnedders | i mean a structure for the XML |
| 21:49.19 | JeffM2501 | store the data in a nutral format ( the sql db ) and then export it as needed |
| 21:49.31 | JeffM2501 | I can see uses for RSS feeds |
| 21:49.39 | JeffM2501 | many uses |
| 21:49.47 | blast007 | buddy lists :) |
| 21:49.54 | JeffM2501 | the entire ibot query system could be reworked to be RSS |
| 21:50.02 | gsnedders | yeah... It's just you can't have individual tags for each player, their score |
| 21:50.14 | gsnedders | you have to put it all in the description/content tag |
| 21:50.19 | JeffM2501 | there owuld be multiple feeds |
| 21:50.22 | JeffM2501 | depending on what oyu want |
| 21:50.40 | JeffM2501 | and you could ask for what you wanted in the feed when you get it |
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| 21:51.21 | JeffM2501 | basicly supe up the sbo feeds |
| 21:51.25 | JeffM2501 | and make them pull from the source |
| 21:51.42 | gsnedders | just thinking of making a widget for dashboard displaying the players on a single server.. |
| 21:51.55 | JeffM2501 | that would be one type of feed |
| 21:52.11 | blast007 | gsnedders: couldn't you already do that with the sbo feeds? |
| 21:52.13 | JeffM2501 | or you could make an xml export module |
| 21:52.26 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see it where we could add new exporters as needed |
| 21:52.31 | gsnedders | sbo? |
| 21:52.33 | gsnedders | from the server? |
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| 21:52.45 | JeffM2501 | mybo is not updated often |
| 21:53.05 | gsnedders | mybo |
| 21:53.26 | gsnedders | ? |
| 21:53.31 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org |
| 21:53.35 | JeffM2501 | stats.bzflag.org |
| 21:53.35 | gsnedders | ah |
| 21:53.43 | JeffM2501 | all the bzflag.org sites are basicl "BO" |
| 21:55.41 | gsnedders | i forget that it produced feeds |
| 21:56.10 | RPG_ | it produces feeds? |
| 21:56.13 | RPG_ | where? |
| 21:56.31 | JeffM2501 | on the feeds section |
| 21:56.50 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/rssgenerator.php |
| 21:56.59 | RPG_ | woah |
| 21:57.07 | RPG_ | never saw that |
| 21:57.21 | RPG_ | i've been using fortix.bzflag.org's feeds for some time, but that goes up and down randomly |
| 21:57.36 | gsnedders | but it's not updated frequently :( |
| 21:57.56 | gsnedders | every hour is it? |
| 21:58.04 | RPG_ | isn't it updated every 2 minutes, as with the database? |
| 21:58.17 | gsnedders | 5 minutes it says on the help page |
| 21:59.25 | TimRiker | ~rss http://my.bzflag.org/rss.php?feed=players&server=viper.pimpi.org:5158&order=callsign |
| 21:59.48 | JeffM2501 | guu rss http://my.bzflag.org/rss.php?feed=players&server=viper.pimpi.org:5158&order=callsign |
| 21:59.49 | Guu | JeffM2501: aajjww || AxXium || DDT || Gluostrica || korneto || mao || Padaras_LT || pop53 || stn || til || Vandarr || Walt66 || Zoon || ZZZAAP |
| 22:00.11 | TimRiker | it's 5 minutes now. once I get off my butt and fix bzfls, it'll be every time the server phones home. |
| 22:00.45 | gsnedders | which is how often? |
| 22:01.14 | JeffM2501 | every time player count changes |
| 22:01.18 | JeffM2501 | and there is a hearbeat |
| 22:01.26 | JeffM2501 | like every 10 or so min IIRC |
| 22:01.28 | TimRiker | every time some one leaves/joins. every 5 minutes with active players, and every 30 minutes with nobody iirc. |
| 22:02.04 | jacques | howdy TimRiker - long time |
| 22:02.30 | TimRiker | heya. I'm here often, just not here often. ;-) |
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| 22:02.53 | Mr_Molez | anyone getting a problem with bzflag minimizing by itself ? |
| 22:03.20 | gsnedders | and how do we know when it is updated? is <dc:date> always correct in the feed? |
| 22:04.42 | TimRiker | gsnedders: no idea, but if not then it's a bug and should get fixed. |
| 22:05.29 | gsnedders | just under a 3 min difference |
| 22:05.35 | TimRiker | <dc:date>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:01:59 -0700</dc:date> at present. |
| 22:05.41 | gsnedders | and if's refreshed every 5 mins, a bug |
| 22:06.04 | gsnedders | <dc:date>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:57:02 -0700</dc:date> was the previous one |
| 22:06.10 | TimRiker | Database last refreshed: Tue, Nov 22 15:01:59 MST 2005 so it looks good. |
| 22:06.40 | TimRiker | should really be UTC, but that's a different issue. ;-) |
| 22:06.45 | gsnedders | now... i have to find an excuse to not do the XML DOM parsing for as long as possible |
| 22:06.48 | gsnedders | :) |
| 22:07.16 | jacques | TimRiker, yep, I guess you are rather busy these days |
| 22:07.38 | TimRiker | heh. need to get more pictures of abigail up. she's 2 months old now. |
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| 22:08.53 | TimRiker | gsnedders: the update script runs then pauses for 5 minutes and then runs again. so it's over 5 minutes really, but should not be two far over. |
| 22:10.03 | gsnedders | ah |
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| 22:20.34 | wizatcomp | hmm |
| 22:20.51 | wizatcomp | i wonder how well VC++ 2005 will convert the VC++ 7 files |
| 22:21.33 | RPG_ | http://www.digitalend.com/pics/emptyroom.jpg |
| 22:21.43 | RPG_ | nothing personal |
| 22:21.46 | RPG_ | gotta love that pic |
| 22:22.10 | wizatcomp | i thought that was twards me =p |
| 22:22.13 | wizatcomp | that |
| 22:22.17 | wizatcomp | s a good pic though :) |
| 22:22.49 | JeffM2501 | 2k5 will open and convert the project jsut fine |
| 22:22.56 | JeffM2501 | the Code for bzflag is not 2k5 compiant yet |
| 22:23.08 | wizatcomp | i see |
| 22:23.09 | wizatcomp | ========== Build: 1 succeeded, 14 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ========== |
| 22:23.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:23.27 | JeffM2501 | they depricated a number of old C calls |
| 22:23.33 | wizatcomp | it seems like i mainly need windows.h |
| 22:23.34 | JeffM2501 | anything that wasn't "Safe" |
| 22:23.42 | JeffM2501 | oh you are on the express? |
| 22:23.45 | wizatcomp | yup |
| 22:23.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah express needs the windows platform SDK |
| 22:23.59 | JeffM2501 | and the direct X SDK |
| 22:24.04 | wizatcomp | ah |
| 22:24.05 | JeffM2501 | but you will have errors |
| 22:24.09 | wizatcomp | i installed the win SDK |
| 22:24.13 | wizatcomp | but not directx |
| 22:24.16 | JeffM2501 | you need both |
| 22:24.20 | wizatcomp | well, i'll see if i can fix any of the errors |
| 22:24.20 | JeffM2501 | and libCURL |
| 22:24.23 | wizatcomp | it's worth a shot |
| 22:24.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:24.29 | JeffM2501 | there will be many :) |
| 22:24.38 | wizatcomp | heh, i spent 45 minutes trying to get libCurl to work at school |
| 22:27.41 | wizatcomp | and wow... the express edition really is stripped down |
| 22:27.48 | wizatcomp | http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/visualc/usingpsdk/default.aspx |
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| 22:31.27 | wizatcomp | and the documentation isn't even right |
| 22:31.31 | wizatcomp | wonderful |
| 22:37.45 | wizatcomp | ugh that's a headache to figure out |
| 22:39.23 | JeffM2501 | remember that express is difrent from full 2k5 too |
| 22:39.31 | JeffM2501 | it's not meant to be general |
| 22:39.49 | JeffM2501 | we know we are going to have to make a VC8 dir soon |
| 22:39.59 | JeffM2501 | just dtr or myself is going to have to install VC8 |
| 22:40.09 | wizatcomp | right |
| 22:40.25 | JeffM2501 | coexistance with VC71 is not fun for 8 :( |
| 22:40.44 | wizatcomp | and for some odd reason, the "Windows.h" file w/ the winsdk is capitolizd differently then the code which calls "windows.h" |
| 22:40.59 | JeffM2501 | should not mater in VC |
| 22:41.06 | JeffM2501 | windows is case insenstive file system |
| 22:41.50 | wizatcomp | ah good point |
| 22:42.58 | wizatcomp | hmm |
| 22:43.03 | wizatcomp | how much in VC71? |
| 22:43.05 | wizatcomp | *is |
| 22:43.14 | JeffM2501 | depends what one you get |
| 22:43.22 | JeffM2501 | usualy under 100 for the basics |
| 22:43.30 | wizatcomp | that seems affordable |
| 22:43.39 | wizatcomp | is there an academic version? |
| 22:43.49 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 22:44.03 | wizatcomp | nice |
| 22:44.17 | wizatcomp | awsome, thanks for the info |
| 22:44.20 | wizatcomp | i'll look into that |
| 22:44.34 | wizatcomp | and i'll stop for a while w/ 2k5 or else i'll pull out all my hair and go crazy |
| 22:44.35 | RPG_ | i thought VC8 came out last week |
| 22:44.43 | RPG_ | errr 2005 |
| 22:46.08 | JeffM2501 | couple weeks ago |
| 22:46.14 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean you jump and upgrade |
| 22:46.39 | JeffM2501 | they removed a lot of options |
| 22:48.06 | RPG_ | any inportant ones? |
| 22:48.20 | JeffM2501 | optimisations |
| 22:48.26 | RPG_ | eep |
| 22:48.36 | JeffM2501 | desuported old C calls |
| 22:48.46 | JeffM2501 | a number of things that will make us have to change some code |
| 22:48.59 | RPG_ | i heard it was really buggy too |
| 22:48.59 | JeffM2501 | basicly enforcing C++ standards |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM2501 | it may be |
| 22:49.10 | JeffM2501 | 7.0 sucked |
| 22:49.15 | JeffM2501 | 7.1 is prety darned good |
| 22:49.25 | RPG_ | 2005.1 |
| 22:49.34 | JeffM2501 | it'll be callked 2006 |
| 22:49.49 | JeffM2501 | 7.1 was called 2003 |
| 22:49.57 | JeffM2501 | 7.0 was just .net |
| 22:50.17 | JeffM2501 | but if we can get it to build in express, that wil be a nice free compiler |
| 22:50.27 | JeffM2501 | that can use the same build system as windows |
| 22:50.34 | RPG_ | really think MS will keep it alive? |
| 22:50.39 | JeffM2501 | would mean we could remove devC++ support |
| 22:50.47 | JeffM2501 | yes I think they will push express actualy |
| 22:50.55 | JeffM2501 | it will replace educational versions |
| 22:50.57 | JeffM2501 | and be free |
| 22:51.02 | JeffM2501 | getem started young :) |
| 22:51.15 | JeffM2501 | makes a lot of biz sense |
| 22:52.21 | JeffM2501 | I mean look at linux |
| 22:52.47 | JeffM2501 | for all it's vuanted "open source" stuff, how often have you changed your kernel, x-windows, or compiler ? |
| 22:52.56 | JeffM2501 | people use that crap cus it's free :) |
| 22:53.35 | trepan | you may be under-estimating the import of open source |
| 22:53.46 | JeffM2501 | I am |
| 22:54.00 | JeffM2501 | it was a simplification of the generic end user |
| 22:54.15 | JeffM2501 | OS has huge andvange that people DO hack on the OS and compiler to fix and change stuff |
| 22:54.33 | JeffM2501 | mosly was talking about the kid/student |
| 22:54.54 | JeffM2501 | that's just where express is targeted |
| 22:55.08 | JeffM2501 | get em using the tools that a lot of jobs have them use |
| 22:55.42 | JeffM2501 | free visual C++ |
| 22:55.46 | JeffM2501 | IDE and compiler |
| 22:56.07 | JeffM2501 | that will not compile bzflag to save it's life :) |
| 22:56.12 | TimRiker | under what terms? non-commercial or some such? |
| 22:56.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah basicly, no selly |
| 22:56.46 | JeffM2501 | also dosn't come with directX or windows SDK |
| 22:56.48 | TimRiker | get cygwin. ;-) or better yet, just install linux. ;-) |
| 22:56.53 | JeffM2501 | targeted at school users |
| 22:57.08 | TimRiker | schoo lusers? |
| 22:57.11 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, you know how ell that has worked on kids and students int he past |
| 22:57.12 | JeffM2501 | school |
| 22:57.13 | JeffM2501 | soryr |
| 22:57.18 | JeffM2501 | bad typing day :( |
| 22:57.29 | TimRiker | you got it right, I was being funny. |
| 22:57.33 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:57.57 | JeffM2501 | once we fix bz to build in VC8, then there will be a free way to build bzfag from the project files |
| 22:58.14 | JeffM2501 | same as we do in the retail product |
| 22:58.37 | TimRiker | gl is supported then? |
| 22:58.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:58.49 | JeffM2501 | gl is part of the base windows SDK |
| 22:59.00 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 22:59.03 | JeffM2501 | it's the same comipler, same linker |
| 22:59.15 | JeffM2501 | dosn't have all the IDE hooks for 3rd party apps |
| 22:59.20 | JeffM2501 | or version controll |
| 22:59.23 | JeffM2501 | and stuff like that |
| 22:59.34 | JeffM2501 | so you'd not want to use it in a production environment |
| 22:59.51 | JeffM2501 | but it has the normal base IDE, debuger, class browser, etc... |
| 23:00.04 | JeffM2501 | I think it ships with less wizards too |
| 23:00.19 | JeffM2501 | and only supports C++ |
| 23:00.29 | JeffM2501 | not the blended language stuff of the full studio |
| 23:01.06 | JeffM2501 | just dtr or myself have to go thru in the full product and fix all the depricated functions |
| 23:06.09 | wizatcomp | well |
| 23:06.30 | wizatcomp | to upgrade from VC2k5 beta to final VC2k5, you have to install the beta |
| 23:06.35 | wizatcomp | (express editions) |
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| 23:10.05 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 23:10.26 | JeffM2501 | 8 |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM2501 | as I'm presently in the process of doing somethign incredebly stupid |
| 23:11.22 | blast007 | poking a shunk with a cattle prod? |
| 23:11.26 | blast007 | skunk* |
| 23:11.41 | JeffM2501 | no that is only moderately stupid |
| 23:12.29 | matthewk | Anyone seen Franck? |
| 23:12.30 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:13.32 | JeffM2501 | I am implemting a 1993 engine in gl |
| 23:13.58 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:14.10 | JeffM2501 | ray casters :) |
| 23:16.41 | wizatcomp | wow |
| 23:16.54 | wizatcomp | to upgrade, stuff has to be removed in a specific order |
| 23:17.11 | wizatcomp | but at least it's alot easier and cleaner and faster than most MS installers/uninstallers |
| 23:18.32 | Pimpi | once somebody complained it was harder to set up bzfs than bind9 |
| 23:19.01 | Pimpi | it's true, bind9 is easier to set up |
| 23:19.18 | RPG_ | Pimpi: not anymore! http://garrettp.homeip.net/BZSM/ |
| 23:19.18 | RPG_ | user: Guest |
| 23:19.18 | RPG_ | pass: binary221 |
| 23:19.45 | RPG_ | err http://garrettp.homeip.net/BZSM/index.php?page=mygroups |
| 23:20.23 | RPG_ | ahh crap it's broke |
| 23:20.28 | RPG_ | oops |
| 23:22.02 | Pimpi | it doesn't support operators for permissions |
| 23:23.44 | Pimpi | how would i access the groups file? |
| 23:23.59 | RPG_ | it's out of commistion right now |
| 23:24.05 | RPG_ | to make it work right you have to log in |
| 23:24.14 | Pimpi | ic |
| 23:24.20 | RPG_ | aha |
| 23:24.25 | RPG_ | login with "blast007" and "password" |
| 23:24.53 | RPG_ | it's a work-in-progress |
| 23:24.57 | RPG_ | for a BZFS server rental system |
| 23:27.30 | Pimpi | the banlist shouldn't show more than probably 20 entrys at once |
| 23:27.43 | Pimpi | banlists tend to get looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong |
| 23:28.41 | Pimpi | who's going to run that server rental thingy? |
| 23:28.46 | RPG_ | nobody yet |
| 23:28.56 | RPG_ | but it can also be used for people who rent out servers for free |
| 23:30.05 | RPG_ | it formats the group and banlists: http://garrettp.homeip.net/BZSM/groups/blast007.txt |
| 23:32.07 | blast007 | doing pages of bans would be trivial |
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