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| 00:22.49 | SilentSwan | ah, i should have known that wouldn't work |
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| 00:34.32 | SilentSwan | bzedit linux *requires* gnome to compile? |
| 00:35.09 | blast007 | the linux bzedit rarely even works now |
| 00:35.18 | blast007 | better bet is to get the windows bzedit, and run in Wine |
| 00:35.27 | SilentSwan | *sigh* it doesn't run in wine |
| 00:35.46 | blast007 | did you get any extra DLLs? |
| 00:35.54 | SilentSwan | such as? |
| 00:36.08 | blast007 | I don't know, I run bzedit on windows :) |
| 00:36.35 | blast007 | are you running it wine from a console? |
| 00:36.40 | blast007 | s/it// |
| 00:36.49 | SilentSwan | yes |
| 00:36.57 | blast007 | does it list any dll files? |
| 00:37.00 | SilentSwan | no |
| 00:37.07 | blast007 | hmm |
| 00:37.41 | SilentSwan | well.. it runs, but the screen doesn't draw correctly |
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| 00:48.40 | DTRemenak | bzedit does not work in modern wine |
| 00:48.54 | DTRemenak | glx does not support the right windowing features |
| 00:52.33 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:53.32 | SilentSwan | splendid |
| 00:54.04 | blast007 | guess not...the GL view takes over the entire window |
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| 00:55.19 | SilentSwan | well.. time to find a copy of vmware that'll work on amd64 |
| 00:55.58 | KingRobotz | I am curious - are there any plans to make bzFlag tanks have a 'hit points' or 'shield level'? (Example, you start out with 12 hp, a bullet removes 1, a gm removes 6, and so on.... when you reach 0 hp, you die) |
| 00:59.00 | orchid | KingRobotz: I don't think anytime soon, it's been discussed/requested in the past though |
| 00:59.01 | KB1FYR | Gah, BZFlag tried to use 1.3GB of swap. |
| 00:59.54 | KingRobotz | orchid: Thanks. |
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| 01:02.48 | JeffM2501 | bzflagquest? |
| 01:02.56 | JeffM2501 | world of bzflag |
| 01:04.09 | orchid | damage would be an interesting change all the same, bit tough on newbies though playing an experienced player who has damage and can dodge |
| 01:05.28 | KB1FYR | Anyone here know anything about the mac version of bzflag? When I run it in the terminal, it ignores my geometry values, and says "There does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game" in the term. |
| 01:05.30 | blast007 | handicap could be used ;) |
| 01:06.00 | JeffM2501 | KB1FYR, what version? |
| 01:06.08 | JeffM2501 | all my game designs have had damage |
| 01:06.11 | JeffM2501 | it could be very fun |
| 01:06.17 | JeffM2501 | it would be a very difrent game |
| 01:06.27 | KB1FYR | 2.0.4 |
| 01:06.45 | JeffM2501 | and what paramaters are you running it with on the command line? |
| 01:06.59 | orchid | it wouldn't add much to the learning curve either unlike slopes and rotating gun barrells |
| 01:07.07 | JeffM2501 | no it wouldn't |
| 01:07.09 | KB1FYR | -geometry 640x480 |
| 01:07.16 | JeffM2501 | KB1FYR, you want -window too |
| 01:07.24 | orchid | ~dict turet |
| 01:07.39 | trepan | ~dict turret |
| 01:07.40 | JeffM2501 | orchid, you'd have to have very visable indications of how much damage people have left |
| 01:07.45 | KB1FYR | Ok well ignoring that, it still doesn't work. It tries to use all my ram and swap. |
| 01:08.00 | orchid | trepan: heh, I knew it was something like that |
| 01:08.02 | KB1FYR | Last time I tried, by the time I killed it, it had used 1.6GB of RAM+swap |
| 01:08.09 | JeffM2501 | KB1FYR, what happens if you just double click the .app ? |
| 01:08.27 | KB1FYR | it goes to 1280*1024 and stays a black screen |
| 01:08.32 | JeffM2501 | what mac is this? |
| 01:08.45 | JeffM2501 | and what version of OSX? |
| 01:09.08 | KB1FYR | Beige G3 with a 533MHz G4 proc upgrade, radeon 7000 pci with 64MB of vram, 448MB RAM, and OS 10.3.9 |
| 01:09.22 | JeffM2501 | hmm that should be able to hold that res |
| 01:09.31 | JeffM2501 | very easy |
| 01:09.36 | KB1FYR | If I set the resolution to 1024*768 in the config file, it ignores it. |
| 01:09.47 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 01:09.47 | KB1FYR | Well, that res looks like crap on my monitor. |
| 01:10.00 | JeffM2501 | and this is the binary from the website? |
| 01:10.04 | KB1FYR | yup |
| 01:10.17 | JeffM2501 | I think you have other problems, more then just the res |
| 01:10.21 | KB1FYR | hang on, lemme try... I may not respond for a while if I'm trying to kill it :P |
| 01:10.22 | JeffM2501 | did older versions work? |
| 01:10.25 | KB1FYR | yeah |
| 01:10.28 | KB1FYR | bbias |
| 01:10.38 | JeffM2501 | there is also a 2.0.5b2 on bzbb |
| 01:10.39 | JeffM2501 | you can try that |
| 01:10.45 | JeffM2501 | it was built with 10.3+ in mind |
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| 01:11.31 | KB1FYR | I still get "There does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game" even when I use -window. |
| 01:11.40 | KB1FYR | ok, lemme try it |
| 01:11.45 | Dhraakellian | hmmm |
| 01:11.49 | Dhraakellian | not allowed to talk? |
| 01:11.55 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like your config is jacked |
| 01:11.58 | JeffM2501 | you may want to blow it out |
| 01:12.06 | JeffM2501 | Dhraakellian, ? |
| 01:12.42 | Dhraakellian | in game |
| 01:12.44 | KB1FYR | It's not +m in here Dhraakellian, the voicing is just to denote special people who aren't ops. |
| 01:12.45 | KB1FYR | oh |
| 01:12.54 | JeffM2501 | IRC is not bzflag |
| 01:13.09 | JeffM2501 | if you arn't allowed to talk in game |
| 01:13.13 | JeffM2501 | then you probalby need to register |
| 01:13.21 | JeffM2501 | many servers don't let non reged people talk |
| 01:13.34 | JeffM2501 | go to http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ and register a forum account |
| 01:13.54 | JeffM2501 | then use that username and password in game |
| 01:14.12 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:14.19 | KB1FYR | JeffM2501, where do I find 2.0.5b2? |
| 01:14.29 | JeffM2501 | it was in a thread on bzbb |
| 01:14.38 | Dhraakellian | I ought to see if there's an easy way to retrieve it |
| 01:14.39 | JeffM2501 | Dhraakellian, the forum can e-mail you a password reset |
| 01:14.52 | JeffM2501 | just use the "forgot password" link when you try to login |
| 01:15.29 | JeffM2501 | KB1FYR, it would be with all the beta builds I do, http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 01:15.49 | Dhraakellian | actually, I think I'll check and see if I have it stored in Firefox |
| 01:17.22 | JeffM2501 | it'll e-mail it to you if you need |
| 01:17.33 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:17.44 | Dhraakellian | I was hoping I'd be able to find the old one |
| 01:17.51 | JeffM2501 | you can allways reset it |
| 01:17.56 | JeffM2501 | to what ever you want |
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| 01:23.55 | SilentSwan | woohoo! vmware is working (yes, something is actually working.. it's a miracle) |
| 01:25.04 | Thumper_ | bzflag -solo 5 doesn't work for me anymore... has this changed? |
| 01:25.24 | KB1FYR | Hmm JeffM2501, I got 2.0.4 to work by nuking the config file and running it windowed at 640x480, but when I do that all my keystrokes go to the terminal. |
| 01:26.12 | JeffM2501 | the OSX version wasn't realy designed to run from a terminal |
| 01:26.22 | JeffM2501 | I'd edit just the res size in your config |
| 01:26.28 | JeffM2501 | and run from the .app |
| 01:26.36 | KB1FYR | It ignores that. |
| 01:26.47 | KB1FYR | It always goes to 1280x1024 |
| 01:26.49 | JeffM2501 | whait, you run 10.3 on a beige? |
| 01:26.53 | KB1FYR | yeah |
| 01:26.59 | JeffM2501 | 10.3 dosn't support the ones that don't have USB onboard |
| 01:27.03 | KB1FYR | xpostfacto |
| 01:27.04 | JeffM2501 | 10.3 should NOT run |
| 01:27.13 | KB1FYR | XPostFacto makes it run. |
| 01:27.28 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet it's allso what's screwing you up |
| 01:27.39 | KB1FYR | I can play Quake III at good graphics settings, I should be able to play BZFlag. :| |
| 01:27.39 | JeffM2501 | your using a hack to get your OS to run |
| 01:27.49 | JeffM2501 | bflag is not quake |
| 01:27.54 | KB1FYR | no, it's not |
| 01:27.55 | JeffM2501 | they do things difrently |
| 01:28.07 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what to tell you |
| 01:28.15 | JeffM2501 | I know on my mini I set stuff in my config and it runs fine |
| 01:28.27 | KB1FYR | Lemme try running it in the X11 term, maybe it will handle it differently. Maybe it won't work at all. :P |
| 01:28.51 | JeffM2501 | why not just stop using franken mac and get a real one :) |
| 01:29.01 | JeffM2501 | your probalby spent more on the CPU upgrade then a mini would cost :) |
| 01:29.18 | KB1FYR | $180 |
| 01:29.23 | KB1FYR | er, 170 |
| 01:29.32 | JeffM2501 | that's 1/3 a mini :) |
| 01:29.52 | JeffM2501 | 533 has to be painfully slow |
| 01:29.56 | JeffM2501 | specialy with that little ram |
| 01:30.11 | KB1FYR | Bah, I have no money, leave me alone. :( |
| 01:30.13 | JeffM2501 | and a what 66mhz bus? |
| 01:30.16 | KB1FYR | yup |
| 01:30.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying you are running non standard, it's possible it could cause problems |
| 01:30.33 | JeffM2501 | we use SDL for input |
| 01:30.35 | KB1FYR | I'm getting a new box to play with for Christmas. |
| 01:30.36 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what quake does |
| 01:30.41 | KB1FYR | it probably does cause problems |
| 01:30.56 | JeffM2501 | tho it does seem wierd that it won't take your config stuff |
| 01:31.08 | JeffM2501 | sounds like it's redetecting your hardware every time |
| 01:31.25 | KB1FYR | I was just using quake as an example because it doesn't seem to be a performance issue, more like an incompatibility. |
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| 01:31.51 | blast007 | or reconverting a 1.10 config? |
| 01:31.51 | JeffM2501 | the radeon 7000 should run it ok |
| 01:31.55 | JeffM2501 | perfornmance wise |
| 01:31.57 | JeffM2501 | possibly |
| 01:32.06 | JeffM2501 | KB1FYR, do you have an old 1.10 config anywhere? |
| 01:32.39 | KB1FYR | nope |
| 01:32.41 | KB1FYR | er |
| 01:32.46 | KB1FYR | I *may*. |
| 01:32.48 | KB1FYR | Hang on. |
| 01:33.07 | KB1FYR | This will be my new box: http://www.evalue-tech.com/products/ECM-3610.cfm |
| 01:37.09 | blast007 | are you sure? |
| 01:37.12 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:37.51 | blast007 | that S3 Savage4 will _not_ play bzflag |
| 01:38.16 | blast007 | it might work, just the textures will be swapped all over heck |
| 01:39.04 | KB1FYR | Well BZFlag isn't a top priority. :P |
| 01:39.16 | blast007 | are any games a priority? |
| 01:39.30 | blast007 | the card sucks for opengl |
| 01:39.37 | KB1FYR | Not really. They're nice, but if I can't have them... Oh well. |
| 01:39.46 | KB1FYR | Oh does it? |
| 01:39.55 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:40.00 | blast007 | I have one in here |
| 01:40.09 | KB1FYR | Hmm, I suppose I can always use a different pc104 video card. |
| 01:40.16 | KB1FYR | Expensive, that. |
| 01:40.44 | KB1FYR | Maybe I should go with a mini itx. |
| 01:40.59 | KB1FYR | Bah. |
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| 01:42.08 | blast007 | some games run okay on the savage4, like Oni, but at times it seems to randomly lock the entire system |
| 01:42.22 | blast007 | might just be hardware issues with the laptop though, or overheating |
| 01:42.22 | KB1FYR | hmm |
| 01:42.51 | KB1FYR | Well let me take a look at the Mini ITX board I considered, I forget what graphics chipset it uses. It has PCMCIA though.. |
| 01:43.43 | KB1FYR | Though there's a vast difference in size and power consumption... |
| 01:43.52 | blast007 | if you're just going for tiny, the savage might be enough |
| 01:44.11 | blast007 | I just have a GeForce 5200 in another machine :) |
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| 02:24.19 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:24.29 | Dhraakellian | F1 doesn't seem to be working |
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| 03:21.43 | jacques | I get immediate segfault in bzflag 2.0.4 on startup - strace shows it's right after it reads /etc/passwd and closes it, I've removed my .bzf dir, and 2.0.2 worked fine on this machine |
| 03:22.00 | Aribeth | hummm...are the forums down? |
| 03:23.32 | Aribeth | why would it be reading /etc/passwd??? |
| 03:23.53 | blast007 | Aribeth: forum works for me |
| 03:23.59 | Aribeth | hummm |
| 03:24.10 | blast007 | jacques: is this an official client from SF.net/bzflag.org? |
| 03:24.51 | Aribeth | if its reading /etc/passwd, it has to be hacked i would think |
| 03:24.54 | blast007 | or at least built from official source? |
| 03:24.59 | blast007 | yeah, that's what I'm worried about |
| 03:25.21 | Aribeth | its trolling for passwords |
| 03:26.15 | Aribeth | jacques, i advise not running it at all and changeing all your passwords fast |
| 03:26.45 | Aribeth | also might want to check for being rooted if you can |
| 03:26.46 | trepan | Aribeth: getuid() and getpwuid() are used, /etc/passwd contains the name/uid linkage |
| 03:26.58 | Aribeth | ohhhh |
| 03:27.12 | blast007 | k |
| 03:27.18 | Aribeth | i stand corrected |
| 03:28.02 | Aribeth | jacques, disregard my last message |
| 03:28.22 | Aribeth | hummm...i still cant get to the forums |
| 03:28.47 | Aribeth | i was posting when it stoped responding. lost my post |
| 03:28.54 | blast007 | :( |
| 03:28.55 | trepan | jacques: build it yourself? |
| 03:30.16 | jacques | trepan, that was built from gentoo emerge, but now I'm building it manually to debug this |
| 03:30.50 | trepan | ./configure --enable-debug and running it under gdb should narrow it down fairly quickly |
| 03:31.01 | jacques | trepan, thanks I will do that |
| 03:31.48 | jacques | no known problems building with gcc 3.4.4 I assume ? |
| 03:32.51 | trepan | none that I know of; but i don't use gcc 3.4.4 :) |
| 03:33.31 | Aribeth | im using gcc 3.3.6 |
| 03:33.40 | jacques | I can also try 3.3.5 |
| 03:34.20 | Aribeth | i just upgraded my system, so i havn't tried building bz with it yet |
| 03:34.30 | jacques | hmm, c-ares ... that didn't used to be used |
| 03:34.42 | jacques | `course I had plenty of problms with adns in the past |
| 03:36.35 | Aribeth | hummm...its firefox. had to kill firefox then restart it |
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| 03:46.28 | jacques | Aribeth, responding to something you said earlier, I don't have passwords (or to be technical zero's encrypted with the password as the key) in /etc/passwd, they are in /etc/shadow which is only readable by root |
| 03:47.17 | Aribeth | just disregard my last messages. bzflag does access /etc/passwd |
| 03:47.44 | Thumper_ | do bots not work on public servers anymore? |
| 03:47.47 | Aribeth | thats as it should be |
| 03:48.10 | Aribeth | death to bots....Ari ducks :P |
| 03:48.16 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 03:48.42 | jacques | I love where configure says "looking for ai for bots... not found" :-) |
| 03:49.05 | Thumper_ | the same server running without -public and -publicaddr works with bots |
| 03:49.13 | Thumper_ | so I'm thinking these are disabled on public servers now for some reason |
| 03:49.31 | Thumper_ | it lets me spawn (without my bots) on the public version |
| 03:49.53 | Aribeth | hummm...for some reason firefox does not like the forums |
| 03:49.59 | SilentSwan | Thumper_: there's a bug in there... i had the same problem. so, the answer is, not at the present time |
| 03:50.08 | Thumper_ | SilentSwan: ok thx. |
| 03:50.09 | jacques | oh lovely, the bzflag I built with --enable-debug doesn't segfault (but the one I built manually without it still does, like the emerged one) |
| 03:50.17 | Aribeth | i got my post up, now i cant reache the site |
| 03:50.36 | SilentSwan | works fine for me |
| 03:51.00 | Aribeth | what version of gentoo? |
| 03:51.04 | SilentSwan | <- working on a modified version of mad city |
| 03:51.10 | SilentSwan | Aribeth: it's current |
| 03:51.12 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:51.29 | SilentSwan | Gentoo Base System version 1.6.13 |
| 03:51.34 | Aribeth | jacques, which gentoo |
| 03:51.38 | SilentSwan | oh oops |
| 03:51.47 | Aribeth | np |
| 03:52.15 | jacques | I'm starting to suspect gcc 3.4.4 issues - will try with 3.3.5 |
| 03:52.28 | jacques | Aribeth, x86 |
| 03:52.39 | Aribeth | 2005.1 ? |
| 03:53.09 | jacques | Aribeth, it's up to date so that question is kinda meaningless |
| 03:53.15 | Aribeth | true |
| 03:53.37 | Aribeth | mine is up to date and is using gcc 3.3.6 |
| 03:54.19 | jacques | Aribeth, yeah but since I enabled ~x86 for gcc it's updating 3.4.x, and has left 3.3 at 3.3.5 |
| 03:54.32 | Aribeth | ohhh |
| 03:55.03 | Aribeth | i only use ~x86 for those packages i need |
| 03:55.07 | jacques | the bzflag I built with --enable-debug doesn't crash immediately, but crashes later after settng up screen with "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x087ad584 ***" |
| 03:55.26 | jacques | so I suspect bzflag just don't like gcc 3.4 and am going to build with 3.3 |
| 03:56.02 | Aribeth | so your gentoo is more of the unstable branch |
| 03:56.38 | jacques | I have 71 packages marked with ~x86 in /etc/portage/packages.keywords |
| 03:56.45 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:57.11 | jacques | including gcc, libstdc++, and glibc |
| 03:57.21 | Aribeth | ahh ise |
| 03:57.54 | jacques | building with --enable-debug and gcc 3.3.5 now |
| 03:59.06 | jacques | hmm I wonder how one disables ccache in configure line |
| 03:59.13 | jacques | --without-ccache ? |
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| 04:07.20 | jacques | gcc 3.3.5 --enable-debug does not crash so far |
| 04:08.53 | Aribeth | good |
| 04:10.29 | jacques | so somewhere should be recorded this discovery - where ? |
| 04:10.42 | jacques | shall I enter it into a bug database ? |
| 04:11.34 | jacques | hi TimRiker |
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| 04:12.14 | trepan | jacques: oops, was away, you still the --enable-debug exec that crashed? |
| 04:12.21 | trepan | s/still/still have |
| 04:13.03 | trepan | if you had run it under gdb, and backtraced it after the crash, it would have provided useful info |
| 04:13.43 | jacques | trepan, I still have it - was using working dirs and have one for each attempt |
| 04:13.55 | trepan | p.s. disable the "options -> input -> confine mouse" option if you expect a crash :) |
| 04:14.09 | jacques | heh ouch |
| 04:14.18 | trepan | or run in a window |
| 04:14.44 | trepan | i usually end up running: gdb --args ./bzflag -window |
| 04:14.56 | jacques | thanks I will try that |
| 04:15.21 | jacques | it's curious that just changing --enable-debug made the 3.4.4 one segfault later |
| 04:16.44 | jacques | tho I guess 3.4.4 could be optimizing something in an unexpected way |
| 04:17.01 | trepan | ya, i prolly should have had you add the -g compilation flag instead of ./configure --enable-debug, less diff iirc |
| 04:18.02 | jacques | what's the easiest way to do that? can I do it in configure or do I edit Makefile ? |
| 04:19.26 | trepan | firsty, get anything from the backtrace? |
| 04:19.49 | jacques | let me check, sorry have a build going (3.3.5 with optimization) |
| 04:21.45 | trepan | ... and setting CPPFLAGS to contain -g in your ./configure env should do it |
| 04:22.41 | jacques | trepan, I tried gdb --args ./bzflag -window but it still constrained my cursor when it crashed |
| 04:22.56 | jacques | had to ctrl-alt-f1 out of X and kill it |
| 04:23.04 | trepan | sry, CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are more appropriate :) |
| 04:24.06 | trepan | jacques: in config: 'set mousegrab false' |
| 04:24.45 | trepan | or run gdb from a console, i haven't used mouse confine in so long i'd forgotten that windowed mode still uses it (as it should) |
| 04:25.01 | trepan | the -window part is to avoid have screen lock |
| 04:25.06 | trepan | s/have/having |
| 04:25.07 | jacques | I set ulimit -c unlimited and got a corefile - will that help ? |
| 04:25.57 | trepan | i think it's: gdb -c <corefile> exec |
| 04:26.04 | trepan | <exec> that is |
| 04:26.23 | trepan | i'm bailing, can't get anything straight, hurts to type :) |
| 04:26.47 | trepan | if you get some info, please pastebin it, i'll look into it later if no-one else helps ya |
| 04:27.02 | jacques | trepan, OK np I wil lcontinue to investigate |
| 04:28.36 | jacques | heh the new graphics are coool |
| 04:36.14 | jacques | hmm, gdb seems somewhat confused by the gentoo gcc-config stuff, bzflag was built against /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/libstdc++.so.6 and gdb reads symbols from there, then in the backtrace it has: |
| 04:36.28 | jacques | #11 0xb7e64b28 in std::ios_base::~ios_base () |
| 04:36.28 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.48 | jacques | maybe crash is in a library that was built against older libstdc++ |
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| 04:44.52 | SilentSwan | !weather 60515 |
| 04:45.04 | SilentSwan | ~weather 60515 |
| 04:45.13 | SilentSwan | grr |
| 04:45.22 | Aribeth | guu wake up |
| 04:46.07 | SilentSwan | !weather KDPA |
| 04:46.12 | SilentSwan | ~weather KDPA |
| 04:46.19 | SilentSwan | i'll figure this out sooner or later |
| 04:46.44 | SilentSwan | evil |
| 04:48.16 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 04:48.33 | Aribeth | guu is broked |
| 04:49.23 | blast007 | Guu ping |
| 04:49.30 | blast007 | hmm |
| 04:50.28 | SilentSwan | creepy... looking at a satellite view of my house |
| 04:50.40 | Aribeth | arr, guu be havin the scurvey |
| 04:52.02 | jacques | ~weather klft |
| 04:54.39 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: Split the server section into the binary, plugins, and the plugin API |
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| 05:09.39 | jacques | shot effects seem kinda screwed up - local shot effect off seems to have no effect and muzzle flash seems to do nothing |
| 05:11.23 | SilentSwan | blah. shattered.bzflag.org:2982 running BigMadcity again until I finish my hack of an older madcity map |
| 05:11.25 | SilentSwan | whee |
| 05:11.45 | Aribeth | heh, im running big mad city too |
| 05:11.52 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 05:12.23 | SilentSwan | change in plans then |
| 05:12.29 | Aribeth | aww |
| 05:12.59 | SilentSwan | wait, i don't see it |
| 05:13.11 | Aribeth | hold on |
| 05:13.47 | SilentSwan | well, i'm looking at the public string, so if that's not correct then that's why |
| 05:14.37 | Aribeth | ok i restarted it to fix the listing error |
| 05:14.43 | SilentSwan | ah |
| 05:15.27 | Aribeth | the iggyworld line didnt get commented out |
| 05:21.23 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ (header.bmp BZFlag.nsi): New header image |
| 05:21.36 | SilentSwan | ah well - now it's running an ancient version of madcity... |
| 05:21.38 | SilentSwan | yeah, i'm bored |
| 05:22.41 | Aribeth | what are the bzflag cvs module names? |
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| 05:24.52 | JeffM2501 | bzflag |
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| 05:57.43 | SilentSwan | hm... this computer case sucks up a lot of dust |
| 05:57.59 | SilentSwan | probably has something to do with that 120cfm fan in the back end :) |
| 06:01.43 | Aribeth | mine has 6-7 fans |
| 06:02.29 | SilentSwan | so does mine |
| 06:02.48 | Aribeth | mine needs dusting |
| 06:02.52 | SilentSwan | but one very big and noisy one in the back |
| 06:03.00 | SilentSwan | the others are a bit more tame |
| 06:03.11 | Aribeth | i have a big one, but its quiet |
| 06:03.35 | Aribeth | i got the super quiet fans when i built it |
| 06:03.37 | SilentSwan | i can hear this thing all the way downstairs |
| 06:04.03 | Aribeth | mine is next to me and i can barely hear it |
| 06:04.15 | SilentSwan | must not move much air then |
| 06:04.38 | Aribeth | it does. i sunk some buks into quiet fans |
| 06:05.32 | SilentSwan | i didn't really research fans... i have only ONE fan i added.. all the others came with the case (Antec) and they're pretty quiet |
| 06:05.44 | SilentSwan | Antec P180 case |
| 06:05.46 | SilentSwan | very nice |
| 06:06.12 | Aribeth | i have a nice case, forget the maker |
| 06:06.45 | SilentSwan | http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81800 <- this is one of the nicest cases i've ever seen... it was a pleasure putting it together |
| 06:06.45 | Aribeth | i added the power suply. i got a 550 watt suply with quiet fans |
| 06:06.58 | SilentSwan | yeah, this case doesn't come with ps |
| 06:07.11 | Aribeth | nice |
| 06:07.53 | Aribeth | mine has nice green anadized color |
| 06:08.08 | SilentSwan | i love the look of it, too.. clean and efficient, not sleazy like so many of the new ones... with windows in the side and lights all over |
| 06:08.19 | Aribeth | yep |
| 06:09.08 | Aribeth | all those lights just use power |
| 06:09.41 | SilentSwan | i wonder why people actually *like* those heh |
| 06:09.47 | Aribeth | duno |
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| 06:27.31 | lan56 | "its got curtains in the windows and wheels--and it looks like a big tylenol" |
| 06:31.11 | SilentSwan | lan56: pass it around, ok? |
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| 06:33.30 | lan56 | ehh sure :) |
| 06:34.16 | lan56 | well just the way aribeth and you used the adjectives in the above conversation for some reason reminded me of that quote |
| 06:34.29 | lan56 | I think I need my head examined :) |
| 06:34.50 | lan56 | it is from airplane! the first one |
| 06:35.28 | Aribeth | :) |
| 06:39.46 | SilentSwan | lan56: ah yes, i remember that quote now :) |
| 06:39.56 | SilentSwan | the extremely um... flamboyant fellow |
| 06:40.04 | lan56 | indeed |
| 06:40.13 | SilentSwan | i have that on dvd someplace |
| 06:40.13 | lan56 | the guy following around kramer |
| 06:40.24 | lan56 | its a great keep |
| 06:40.29 | SilentSwan | "picked the wrong day to give up amphetamines!" |
| 06:40.51 | lan56 | hahah |
| 06:41.01 | lan56 | after he said the same about cigarettes and glue |
| 06:41.06 | Aribeth | ohhh those are bad for you |
| 06:41.20 | SilentSwan | yeah, sniffing a tube of glue... |
| 06:41.23 | lan56 | very bad, they are fatal |
| 06:41.31 | Aribeth | yep |
| 06:41.54 | SilentSwan | i wouldn't know... i don't go beyond weed or alcohol. and i don't even do those anymore |
| 06:42.09 | Aribeth | good |
| 06:42.27 | SilentSwan | yeah,i've been good :) no smokey |
| 06:42.33 | lan56 | the bear? :) |
| 06:42.35 | Aribeth | :) |
| 06:42.48 | SilentSwan | i miss it |
| 06:42.50 | Aribeth | lol |
| 06:43.13 | Aribeth | i quit smoking in 1983 |
| 06:43.22 | SilentSwan | smoking what? |
| 06:43.29 | SilentSwan | i still smoke cigarettes :( |
| 06:43.34 | Aribeth | cigaretts |
| 06:43.41 | SilentSwan | that's my next step.. i'd quit for 2 years |
| 06:43.47 | SilentSwan | then started again 2 years ago |
| 06:43.49 | Aribeth | i quit pot in 1978 |
| 06:44.06 | Aribeth | or earlier. dont remember |
| 06:44.17 | SilentSwan | it affects the memory :P |
| 06:44.22 | Aribeth | :P |
| 06:44.37 | Aribeth | what were you just saying? :P |
| 06:44.53 | SilentSwan | it really does... that's one thing i've noticed... i don't lose my keys anymore.. when they're in my hand |
| 06:44.56 | Aribeth | my cousin still smokes both |
| 06:45.10 | Aribeth | his lungs are almost gone |
| 06:45.16 | SilentSwan | ouch |
| 06:45.20 | Aribeth | ya |
| 06:45.40 | SilentSwan | human lungs were not designed to inhale smoke... ah well |
| 06:45.41 | Aribeth | he is on qxygen 3 times a week |
| 06:45.53 | Aribeth | oxygen* |
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| 06:46.47 | Aribeth | he's only 53 |
| 06:47.17 | SilentSwan | must have been quite a heavy smoker |
| 06:47.25 | Aribeth | yep, very |
| 06:47.38 | Aribeth | always stoned |
| 06:48.06 | Aribeth | hasn't been sober since 1960's |
| 06:48.13 | SilentSwan | i was like that from time to time... but i usually caught myself and said "slow down" |
| 06:48.42 | Aribeth | he did a few times, but he's obsesive cumpulsive |
| 06:49.29 | SilentSwan | i have a few of those tendencies, too.. but they manifest in other ways |
| 06:49.41 | Aribeth | he is one of those people that cant stop anything |
| 06:50.09 | Aribeth | we all do, but most of us can maintain some control |
| 06:50.21 | Aribeth | for some its imposible |
| 06:50.59 | brlcad | addiction and compulsion are like that ;) |
| 06:51.08 | Aribeth | yep |
| 06:51.38 | SilentSwan | i have other "addictions" |
| 06:51.45 | SilentSwan | co-dependency being one of them |
| 06:51.50 | SilentSwan | RUN!!! |
| 06:51.58 | brlcad | I can drink gallons of booze for weeks on end and stop cold turkey and not give it a second thought (*ahem*) yet other things I do.. can't .. seem.. to .. break.. away.. |
| 06:51.59 | Aribeth | i tried to quit cigeretts for 4 years then i just threw them away one day |
| 06:52.30 | Aribeth | never went back |
| 06:52.37 | Aribeth | yep |
| 06:53.16 | SilentSwan | i was never going back either until i started having a lot of panic attacks at one point... i got so freaked i started smoking to ease it a bit... |
| 06:53.21 | SilentSwan | *bing* addicted again |
| 06:53.34 | Aribeth | yep |
| 06:55.18 | Aribeth | yep, i did too after i quit |
| 06:55.19 | brlcad | and as the illnesses got worse and worse it made it easier and easier to just never start |
| 06:55.38 | Aribeth | my dad chained smoked. fillrd the house with smoke |
| 06:55.50 | SilentSwan | so did my mother |
| 06:55.53 | Aribeth | i had to seal my door to keep it out |
| 06:56.02 | SilentSwan | same |
| 06:56.19 | SilentSwan | my house/car are non-smoking zones |
| 06:56.37 | SilentSwan | it gets in everything, and it would be awful for my birds |
| 06:56.39 | Aribeth | i wont allow smoking in my house |
| 06:56.46 | Aribeth | yep |
| 06:58.10 | Aribeth | now when i smell the smoke i choke |
| 06:59.18 | SilentSwan | horrible smell |
| 06:59.22 | Aribeth | yes |
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| 07:10.13 | lan56 | coincedentally tommorow is national smokeout day |
| 07:10.18 | lan56 | november 17th |
| 07:10.29 | lan56 | http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012980 |
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| 07:13.15 | SilentSwan | much better |
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| 07:29.19 | SilentSwan | i'm wondering if i may have fractured one of my fingers... |
| 07:29.44 | trepan | was anyone taking a look into in-game registration? |
| 07:31.02 | trepan | or vaporware it is? |
| 07:33.30 | brlcad | not on my plate |
| 07:33.38 | brlcad | i was waiting for tim |
| 07:33.41 | brlcad | j/k ;) |
| 07:33.57 | brlcad | cept for the not on my plate part |
| 07:33.59 | trepan | thought dtr or menotume had mentionned an interest |
| 07:34.15 | brlcad | dtr's started on more than one occasion iirc |
| 07:34.40 | brlcad | so very likely not vapor |
| 07:34.40 | trepan | that doesn't sound promising ;) |
| 07:35.03 | brlcad | was hinged on other things getting completed at the time |
| 07:37.27 | cosmos | checking out mystic valley now |
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| 15:05.55 | SportChick | brrrrr |
| 15:06.08 | TheRedBaron | 46 degrees in florida... that is an outrage |
| 15:07.55 | SportChick | hehe |
| 15:22.15 | SportChick | ~work TheRedBaron |
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| 15:48.22 | blast007 | ~weather kjvl |
| 15:48.38 | blast007 | 15 degrees :) |
| 15:53.18 | SportChick | blast007: ewwwww |
| 15:54.36 | blast007 | hehe, it's not that bad |
| 15:54.43 | blast007 | it will get worse |
| 15:55.12 | TheRedBaron | blast007: move somewhere tropical |
| 15:56.11 | blast007 | nah, I'm fine up here |
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| 16:05.47 | Teppic | Anyone around? |
| 16:05.55 | blast007 | yup |
| 16:06.17 | Teppic | Do you know if groups have to be efined in bzw files BEFORE they are referenced? |
| 16:06.22 | Teppic | defined* |
| 16:10.13 | blast007 | I'm not sure |
| 16:10.26 | Teppic | I just tested it, no they dont. |
| 16:10.42 | blast007 | k |
| 16:21.26 | RatOHome | thought I read somewhere that they needed defining before reference, but can't site a reference at this time |
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| 17:11.54 | TheRedBaron | guu logs |
| 17:12.10 | TheRedBaron | !logs |
| 17:12.35 | jpa- | ~logs |
| 17:12.36 | ibot | rumour has it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 17:13.13 | TheRedBaron | i know ibot logs, I was wondering if guu logged |
| 17:13.25 | TheRedBaron | !lart jpa- |
| 17:13.27 | jpa- | sorry |
| 17:13.31 | jpa- | just tried to be nice |
| 17:13.48 | TheRedBaron | ~jpa-++ |
| 17:13.49 | TheRedBaron | for trying :) |
| 17:13.51 | SportyGal | Guu: logs |
| 17:13.57 | TheRedBaron | guu won't respond |
| 17:14.06 | SportyGal | Is guu broken again? |
| 17:14.07 | TheRedBaron | !!! |
| 17:14.13 | TheRedBaron | see? nothing |
| 17:14.16 | cosmos | hrm |
| 17:15.42 | cosmos | i probably did. what did i do? |
| 17:15.48 | jpa- | ~wake Guu |
| 17:15.50 | ibot | Guu: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 17:23.25 | cosmos | that sounds like my work environment |
| 17:23.55 | jpa- | if cosmos did it, it was his fault of course |
| 17:26.34 | TheRedBaron | cosmos which one? |
| 17:26.56 | cosmos | nightmare explotent |
| 17:27.09 | TheRedBaron | oh |
| 17:27.25 | cosmos | trying to find a good one |
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| 17:31.13 | TheRedBaron | hmmm |
| 17:31.19 | CBG | ~seen JeffM2501 |
| 17:31.28 | ibot | jeffm2501 <n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 12h 6m 36s ago, saying: 'bzflag'. |
| 17:31.28 | TheRedBaron | I'm trying to remember a good one |
| 17:31.28 | cosmos | pillbox |
| 17:31.36 | CBG | a good what? :) |
| 17:32.10 | TheRedBaron | most of the CTF's maps "back in the day" were randomly generated |
| 17:32.17 | cosmos | yeah |
| 17:32.22 | TheRedBaron | you know what could be cool... |
| 17:32.44 | CBG | Only CTF maps I like are Hix-2, babel and pillbox. |
| 17:32.45 | TheRedBaron | Is to take the decks map (capt. proton), and convert it to CTF |
| 17:32.56 | TheRedBaron | they have 4 corners with tele's on them, just remove the teles |
| 17:33.13 | SportyGal | TheRedBaron: that would be really cool! I love decks |
| 17:33.15 | TheRedBaron | might be sacrilege though |
| 17:33.18 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 17:33.23 | purple_cow | TheRedBaron: it's been done |
| 17:33.44 | TheRedBaron | purple_cow: where can I find it then? |
| 17:33.58 | purple_cow | TheRedBaron: dunno, it's probably not saved anywhere |
| 17:34.05 | TheRedBaron | darn |
| 17:34.15 | purple_cow | it was fun, but not as much as plain old 2-shot no-flags decks ;) |
| 17:34.36 | TheRedBaron | i bet |
| 17:34.41 | TheRedBaron | I loved that map and settings |
| 17:34.41 | CBG | perhaps here: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=746 |
| 17:36.06 | TheRedBaron | thats the original decks. I've got that on my HD, i was hoping for modified CTF one. |
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| 17:36.20 | cosmos | id host the modified one |
| 17:36.24 | CBG | Ok, TheRedBaron. |
| 17:36.44 | CBG | If I get any spare time over the next week or so, I can edit it... |
| 17:36.47 | TheRedBaron | anyone have the map from cell.enm.edu? monkey boy's server? map made by gerbil? |
| 17:37.14 | CBG | o.O |
| 17:40.03 | purple_cow | which gerbil one? |
| 17:40.38 | TheRedBaron | I have no clue of the name. But i know the map |
| 17:40.39 | purple_cow | eeeek |
| 17:40.42 | purple_cow | sf.net is all different |
| 17:40.54 | CBG | lol purple_cow :) |
| 17:41.11 | TheRedBaron | it was divided into quarters |
| 17:41.23 | TheRedBaron | had a forest, and a giant pyramid in 1 corner. |
| 17:41.47 | CBG | purple_cow: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=583 |
| 17:42.08 | purple_cow | CBG: ? |
| 17:42.31 | purple_cow | ``The topic or post you requested does not exist'' |
| 17:43.20 | CBG | Ooops/ |
| 17:43.28 | CBG | try http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5838 :) |
| 17:44.36 | purple_cow | um, ok |
| 17:44.52 | TheRedBaron | purple_Cow: if you have any of gerbil's maps I'll take em |
| 17:45.56 | orange | TheRedBaron: when do you want to pick back up on our work? |
| 17:46.21 | TheRedBaron | Orange: i have a match to play, then I"ll be ready |
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| 17:47.49 | purple_cow | i don't have any of them anymore |
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| 17:48.02 | TheRedBaron | awww |
| 17:48.04 | purple_cow | and it looks like grape of wrath's old web page has disappeared from the internet |
| 17:48.11 | purple_cow | might be lost |
| 17:48.27 | CBG | Afternoon JeffM2501 |
| 17:49.02 | TheRedBaron | purple_cow: sad, I googled it the other day... hoping to find some of the old maps |
| 17:49.36 | purple_cow | a lot of older maps don't work terribly well with modern flags/bzflag features |
| 17:49.58 | purple_cow | for instance, ballpark was sweet when it came out, but advanced radar completely ruined the platform jumping aspects of it |
| 17:50.33 | TheRedBaron | I remember the map, but don't get how the advanced radar ruined it. |
| 17:51.40 | purple_cow | if you ended up inside the buildings, there was some great jumping stuff you had to do |
| 17:51.56 | purple_cow | with advanced radar, you could tell where each platform was |
| 17:52.04 | purple_cow | instead of having to guess/remember |
| 17:52.28 | CBG | JeffM2501: This post, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3798 , is turning into a mess, if I could I would like to remove the stupid posts and tidy up some of the others so they are more readable. But, obviously I can't do this so I was hoping you could? Pretty please? With a cherry on top? And some chocolate sauce...? |
| 17:52.31 | TheRedBaron | I didn't mind that :) |
| 17:53.09 | purple_cow | heh |
| 17:53.23 | purple_cow | it didn't make the map unplayable, it just made it less fun |
| 17:55.06 | TheRedBaron | oh |
| 17:55.27 | TheRedBaron | You're the sadistic kind who likes to laugh at the people who missed the jumps I get it now ;) |
| 17:56.24 | TheRedBaron | What i miss now, in today's map-making, is straight up jumping... |
| 17:56.38 | TheRedBaron | Jumping becomes a riddle |
| 17:56.53 | TheRedBaron | how much speed, how close... buildings aren't concurrent with any sort of plan |
| 17:57.06 | TheRedBaron | maps are made because the look "cool" |
| 17:57.14 | cosmos | dont you miss SpoogeBob? ;) |
| 17:57.18 | TheRedBaron | but require intricate jumping... |
| 17:57.21 | TheRedBaron | !lart cosmos |
| 17:57.26 | TheRedBaron | ~lart cosmos |
| 17:57.52 | purple_cow | TheRedBaron: yes, i am |
| 17:58.05 | purple_cow | exactly the reason why decks with wings pisses me off to no end ;) |
| 17:58.07 | TheRedBaron | I knew it :-; |
| 17:58.18 | TheRedBaron | oh I hate decks with wings |
| 17:58.27 | blast007 | wings in general pisses me off |
| 17:58.32 | TheRedBaron | that is sacrilege and blasphemey |
| 17:58.35 | CBG | Its not hard to make the jumps on decks. |
| 17:58.39 | TheRedBaron | wings with 1 jump |
| 17:58.44 | TheRedBaron | and its tolerable |
| 17:58.47 | cosmos | how about decks with no flags |
| 17:58.59 | purple_cow | cosmos: that's the ideal |
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| 17:59.05 | CBG | Some flags are needed for variety. |
| 17:59.18 | TheRedBaron | thats cool, but i did love decks. with massive amounts of stealth, SW and GM |
| 17:59.22 | CBG | but not GM or WG on decks. I should say. |
| 17:59.32 | cosmos | flags unless they are team based are lame imho |
| 17:59.35 | TheRedBaron | bah no wings. but GM |
| 17:59.40 | CBG | There would be soooo much camping with GM... |
| 17:59.44 | TheRedBaron | no shot limits also |
| 17:59.52 | TheRedBaron | Not if you have a flag balance |
| 18:00.00 | CBG | True.. |
| 18:00.04 | TheRedBaron | between ST, laser, and SW |
| 18:00.10 | TheRedBaron | there is very little GM camping |
| 18:00.21 | CBG | Sounds good. :) |
| 18:00.26 | TheRedBaron | The problem with camping today, is poor map design |
| 18:00.34 | CBG | I'll try to make time to make decks CTF for you, cosmos. |
| 18:00.56 | CBG | But right now is dinner time, catch ya'll later. |
| 18:02.07 | blast007 | I see the maps directory on my.bzflag.org is gone... |
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| 18:08.00 | cosmos | i put decks no flags up |
| 18:08.03 | cosmos | fun map |
| 18:09.55 | davr | hi, i have a problem. bzflag has been working fine, but all of the sudden, when i start it, the HD thrashes for a bit, the screen goes black except for there is some text on the right, about 75% down saying "All Chat Server Misc" |
| 18:10.04 | davr | then after about 30secs or so, X crashes |
| 18:10.22 | davr | running bzflag 2.0.4.20051017 on debian linux |
| 18:10.24 | JeffM2501 | you upgrade any part of your OS recetnly? |
| 18:10.32 | davr | i don't think so |
| 18:10.39 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 18:11.11 | davr | GeForce 6600 pci express |
| 18:11.36 | JeffM2501 | you have the current drivers from www.nvidia.com ? |
| 18:14.02 | davr | they update fairly often, don't they? the last time I updated was about 3-4 months ago |
| 18:14.36 | JeffM2501 | you may want to get the current one, you may have updated a package on the OS that made them not work right |
| 18:14.48 | JeffM2501 | it never hurts to have the current ones |
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| 18:33.11 | davr | ok...removing my ~/.bzf seemed to fix it |
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| 18:49.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh bad config |
| 18:54.18 | cosmos | im not :) |
| 18:54.26 | JeffM2501 | thing can't even do a vhost |
| 18:55.01 | cosmos | its designed to get your network infiltrated ;) |
| 18:55.07 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 18:55.33 | JeffM2501 | it just lacks some features I would expect of it |
| 18:56.19 | JeffM2501 | and any fool who puts a web server on his internal network ( of any OS ) deserves what he gets |
| 18:57.11 | cosmos | doesnt matter what network you put it on, thanks to the average windows admin its swiss cheeze |
| 18:57.47 | cosmos | not that the basement dwelling linux crowd does it any better. im an equal opportunity hater |
| 18:57.55 | JeffM2501 | could say the same about linux admins who know crap too ( and I know many of those ) |
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| 18:58.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:58.21 | JeffM2501 | tho we may be using an older IIS, wonder if 2k3 does vhosts |
| 18:58.25 | JeffM2501 | with out wasting IPs |
| 18:58.48 | blast007 | I would think it could |
| 18:58.49 | cosmos | jeffm: the linux crowd needs to move out of their parents house first ;) |
| 18:58.59 | gsnedders | I'm having problems compiling 2.0.5 on Mac OS 10.4.3/GCC4... http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/29048 |
| 18:59.16 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, many of them do live outside of the basement, most of them just need to see a woman nekid |
| 18:59.31 | cosmos | hahaha |
| 18:59.50 | Tupone | gsnedders: how many curl-config you have ? |
| 19:00.09 | JeffM2501 | looks like fink |
| 19:00.20 | gsnedders | Tupone: 1 in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin |
| 19:00.27 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: no fink here |
| 19:00.48 | Tupone | do a curl-config --libs on each of them |
| 19:01.40 | blast007 | probably missing OpenSSL |
| 19:01.41 | gsnedders | Tupone: /usr/bin: -L/usr/lib -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lz |
| 19:01.52 | Tupone | both? |
| 19:01.59 | Tupone | ah ok |
| 19:02.10 | gsnedders | /usr/local/bin: -L/usr/local/lib -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lz |
| 19:02.18 | cosmos | i need to compile a new client on my osx soon. i need more hours in the day |
| 19:02.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah probably missing sll and crypto |
| 19:02.56 | Tupone | gsnedders: I think you need to clear the cache |
| 19:03.10 | gsnedders | Tupone: what cache? how? |
| 19:03.49 | Tupone | automake cache . How are you building? configure && make ? |
| 19:04.16 | gsnedders | autogen.sh; ./configure; make |
| 19:04.24 | Tupone | or just try to redo configure |
| 19:05.34 | gsnedders | there is no automake cache... |
| 19:05.39 | gsnedders | and redoing configure has no effect |
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| 19:06.01 | Tupone | could you paste the output of configure in bzpastepin |
| 19:06.02 | SilentSwan | any chance the bot authentication problem on public servers has been fixed? |
| 19:06.33 | Tupone | fixed in head. I can try in branch if you really need it |
| 19:06.50 | SilentSwan | well... it would be helpful |
| 19:06.57 | SilentSwan | is it a small fix? |
| 19:07.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, a number of people have been asking for it |
| 19:07.23 | gsnedders | Tupone: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/29049 |
| 19:07.31 | Tupone | yep, I hope. It's only that I am no more working on the branch :/ |
| 19:07.54 | JeffM2501 | then you must tell them that 2.0.4 has broken features |
| 19:08.02 | Tupone | gsnedders: gentoo ? |
| 19:08.03 | JeffM2501 | and will remain broken |
| 19:08.14 | gsnedders | Tupone: eh? |
| 19:08.26 | Tupone | I guess not then :/ |
| 19:08.43 | gsnedders | yes, I know what it is.. but why do you ask? |
| 19:08.55 | Tupone | you have that? |
| 19:09.10 | gsnedders | have gentoo? no |
| 19:09.14 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 19:09.30 | Tupone | ok, Need to fix curl-config by hand then |
| 19:09.41 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, it's a mac |
| 19:09.50 | gsnedders | Tupone: which curl-config? |
| 19:09.55 | Tupone | ahh yeah, I forget that |
| 19:09.59 | Tupone | the one you use |
| 19:10.15 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, what version of OSX? |
| 19:10.24 | gsnedders | JeffM2501, 10.4.3 |
| 19:10.33 | JeffM2501 | you have the current dev and X Code updates? |
| 19:10.38 | gsnedders | yeah |
| 19:10.52 | JeffM2501 | you ever install any curl libs yourslef? |
| 19:10.58 | JeffM2501 | or move any libs or files around? |
| 19:11.08 | gsnedders | i might've install curl a while agi |
| 19:11.09 | gsnedders | *ago |
| 19:11.11 | Tupone | gsnedders: the 7.15.0 has a little bug on detecting the version, it is ok, but curl-config is wrong |
| 19:11.32 | Tupone | you can open with an editor |
| 19:11.55 | JeffM2501 | in general you should not need to install curl, the one apple provides is fine |
| 19:12.40 | Tupone | probably with the security fix on curl, most distro give the updated version - 7.15.0 |
| 19:12.52 | gsnedders | sure, but I've done it. so how do I fix it? |
| 19:13.01 | Tupone | look at --vernum |
| 19:13.21 | gsnedders | of what? curl? |
| 19:13.31 | Tupone | curl-config |
| 19:13.43 | Tupone | open curl-config with an editor |
| 19:13.45 | gsnedders | /usr/bin is 7.13.1 |
| 19:13.55 | gsnedders | /usr/bin is 7.15.0 |
| 19:13.59 | Tupone | the /usr/local/bin |
| 19:14.07 | gsnedders | *//usr/local/bin is 7.15.0 |
| 19:14.09 | gsnedders | woops :P |
| 19:14.17 | gsnedders | /usr/bin is 7.13.1 |
| 19:14.25 | gsnedders | not confused? |
| 19:14.29 | Tupone | nope |
| 19:14.39 | gsnedders | good :) |
| 19:15.04 | gsnedders | wait... |
| 19:15.06 | gsnedders | vernum... |
| 19:15.19 | gsnedders | /usr/bin is 070d01 |
| 19:15.26 | gsnedders | /usr/local/bin is blank |
| 19:15.29 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:15.33 | Tupone | that is the bug |
| 19:15.40 | Tupone | open the file and find for it |
| 19:15.46 | gsnedders | i have found it :) |
| 19:16.03 | Tupone | subst echo with "echo 070f00" |
| 19:16.20 | Tupone | without the "" |
| 19:16.26 | gsnedders | of course :) |
| 19:16.36 | gsnedders | then just configure and make again? |
| 19:16.39 | Tupone | yep |
| 19:17.04 | Tupone | dunno if that fix it, but at least I don't have doubt is it |
| 19:17.18 | Tupone | you have a syntax error on your config.log |
| 19:18.07 | gsnedders | oh |
| 19:18.39 | gsnedders | i still get the same errors.. so I just need to install OpenSSL? |
| 19:18.54 | gsnedders | (on make) |
| 19:19.04 | blast007 | yeah, you need that |
| 19:19.11 | blast007 | and jeff said that probably crypto too |
| 19:19.12 | Tupone | hmm that is strange, your link command do not foresee an ssl lib |
| 19:19.26 | Tupone | can you paste again your make |
| 19:19.34 | gsnedders | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/29051 |
| 19:19.40 | blast007 | < gsnedders> Tupone: /usr/bin: -L/usr/lib -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lz |
| 19:19.45 | blast007 | -lssl |
| 19:19.57 | Tupone | that is the curl-config output, I have not seen on the make |
| 19:21.59 | Tupone | gsnedders: have you redefined the LIBS variable? |
| 19:22.14 | gsnedders | as in me changing it by hand? |
| 19:22.24 | gsnedders | no |
| 19:22.31 | gsnedders | it's just a plain out of the box curl install |
| 19:22.32 | Tupone | or passing as a env variable in configure, or make |
| 19:22.40 | gsnedders | nope |
| 19:23.46 | Tupone | however, you need the ssl and crypto. If that still does not work, we will debug the configure |
| 19:24.01 | gsnedders | where do you donwload crypto? |
| 19:24.21 | Tupone | could be you have |
| 19:24.42 | Tupone | look at libcrypto.* on your system |
| 19:25.28 | gsnedders | /usr/lib/libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib |
| 19:25.28 | gsnedders | /usr/lib/libcrypto.0.9.dylib |
| 19:25.28 | gsnedders | /usr/lib/libcrypto.dylib |
| 19:25.28 | gsnedders | /usr/local/ssl/lib/libcrypto.a |
| 19:25.28 | gsnedders | /usr/local/ssl/lib/pkgconfig/libcrypto.pc |
| 19:25.40 | Tupone | so you have that :) |
| 19:25.44 | Tupone | and libssl.* |
| 19:25.48 | gsnedders | openssl installed... |
| 19:26.08 | gsnedders | ya |
| 19:26.10 | Tupone | ok, so you have both ... can I see the config.log again |
| 19:26.28 | gsnedders | lemme try running make again before you do... |
| 19:26.38 | gsnedders | same errors |
| 19:26.39 | gsnedders | 2 sec |
| 19:26.54 | Tupone | did you run configure again? |
| 19:27.15 | gsnedders | yeah |
| 19:27.18 | gsnedders | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/29052 |
| 19:27.50 | gsnedders | *please don't mension the amount of RAM I have...* |
| 19:27.59 | gsnedders | *everyone does...* |
| 19:30.39 | Grumbler | tabbed xterminals would be nice |
| 19:30.47 | Tupone | gsnedders: I got it |
| 19:31.00 | Tupone | brlcad hack on configure :( |
| 19:31.41 | Tupone | if test "x$build_vendor" = "xapple" ; then << look at this line in configure.ac |
| 19:32.08 | gsnedders | k |
| 19:32.39 | Tupone | you found it? |
| 19:32.43 | gsnedders | yeah |
| 19:33.12 | Tupone | remove the test on libcurl.a and put only the else part |
| 19:33.30 | Tupone | well, you can remove everything |
| 19:33.44 | gsnedders | the whole apple test? |
| 19:33.45 | Tupone | and leave the CURL_LIBS |
| 19:33.49 | Tupone | yep |
| 19:34.03 | gsnedders | configureing... |
| 19:34.12 | Tupone | autogen |
| 19:34.12 | gsnedders | or whatever the word is :) |
| 19:34.26 | Tupone | or make |
| 19:34.29 | Tupone | not configure |
| 19:35.24 | gsnedders | k |
| 19:43.38 | Grumbler | well, that was pleasant.....i had smtp auth all the time with the stable release, i just hadnt tried using it since i switched |
| 19:43.42 | Grumbler | ~lart Grumbler |
| 19:46.42 | gsnedders | Tupone: thanks,. all working :) |
| 19:46.46 | Tupone | great |
| 19:46.59 | gsnedders | now... to kill a few tanks :) |
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| 19:48.59 | gsnedders | ok... one question: is there anyway to check if you have permission to run /showgroup? |
| 19:50.33 | gsnedders | anything more helpful than myTank->hasPlayerList()? |
| 19:59.58 | SportyGal | tim: ping |
| 20:02.54 | _Manu_ | gsnedders, yes |
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| 21:08.06 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (34 files in 34 dirs): Follow Auto-conf/make rules. Try to free CFLAGS and similar to clients so they can eventually specify on make |
| 21:11.38 | ToughShooter | hmpf, something is wrong with countdowns :( |
| 21:11.54 | SportyGal | TimRiker: ping - did you get my memoserv? |
| 21:12.38 | ToughShooter | playing one match until end, rejoining and my client will crash when a new match is started |
| 21:12.39 | brlcad | Tupone: my hack? .. i think i may have inherited it only |
| 21:12.53 | brlcad | most of the mac stuff in configure wasn't done by me |
| 21:13.06 | Tupone | ahh, dunno, it was about trying to link libcurl statically |
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| 21:13.43 | Tupone | prerring statically for mac |
| 21:13.49 | Tupone | whatever :) |
| 21:13.54 | JeffM2501 | wow xchat 2.6 is like wierd |
| 21:13.55 | ToughShooter | that's my crashlog: http://pastebin.com/433531 |
| 21:14.10 | TimRiker | SportyGal: bzfquery.* do not support checking time remaining at present. shouldn't be too tough to add, but it's not in there now. |
| 21:14.37 | TimRiker | I'm not sure the server sends that info till after you "join" the game, so that might be an issue. |
| 21:15.05 | orange | oh yeah, that's something I was looking for a couple years ago... I was told it was a protocol change to get it |
| 21:15.32 | Tupone | ToughShooter: I think your client is linked without debugging information |
| 21:17.12 | SportyGal | well, you're breaking protocol anyway, why not add it to the list |
| 21:18.54 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: plugin documentation - events.html |
| 21:19.02 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I have built my client with ./configure --enable-debug |
| 21:19.04 | Thumper_ | Is this the source - do I just add new events right to that? |
| 21:19.51 | Tupone | ToughShooter: I don't see a useful (to me) stack trace :/ |
| 21:20.53 | SportyGal | TimRiker: well, it sounds like I wouldn't get it before that anyway, or did I misunderstand you? |
| 21:20.59 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, that is the only doc |
| 21:21.04 | JeffM2501 | so yes you just add new stuff to that |
| 21:21.05 | Thumper_ | ok thanks |
| 21:21.09 | ToughShooter | Tupone: If there would be function names etc I would try to track the problem before asking |
| 21:21.22 | Tupone | :) |
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| 21:36.17 | CBG | Even if it is feeble, should be awesome map! :) |
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| 21:37.07 | trepan | SilentSwan: boxes and pyrs? |
| 21:37.17 | SilentSwan | to start with |
| 21:37.25 | SilentSwan | i'll get a bit more ambitious once i get that much going |
| 21:37.46 | SilentSwan | once i figure out wings3d, that is :) |
| 21:38.08 | CBG | Hmm, wings3d is easier than blender, for a modellor n00b. |
| 21:38.14 | SilentSwan | yeah really |
| 21:38.18 | SilentSwan | i've tried blender... omg |
| 21:38.21 | trepan | http://www.blender3d.org/_media/education/quickstart/Building_Castle.html |
| 21:38.32 | CBG | SilentSwan: glad Im not alone in this... :) |
| 21:38.39 | SilentSwan | thanks trepan |
| 21:38.46 | purple_cow | blender is fine if you actually approach it with tutorials and not try to apply your existing modeller experience :P |
| 21:39.16 | CBG | purple_cow: tutorials? what? :) |
| 21:39.44 | SilentSwan | boxes & pyramids, easy stuff... but once you get into advanced 3d modelling, i'm totally lost |
| 21:40.02 | purple_cow | or trying to figure it out without tutorials |
| 21:40.03 | JeffM2502 | lightwave!!!!!!! |
| 21:40.16 | purple_cow | it relies very heavily on the keyboard, so behavior isn't really discoverable |
| 21:40.47 | SilentSwan | besides, once i export it, i've no idea how to give it a texture |
| 21:41.01 | SilentSwan | havn't got that far yet |
| 21:41.08 | trepan | purple_cow: wings3d is all about the keybindings, they're just easier to bind and find |
| 21:42.09 | trepan | downside is that because it's in erlang, it starts to really grind at around 25k polys |
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| 21:43.38 | purple_cow | in my experience, 99% of the people who dislike blender didn't start with the tutorial |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM2502 | I did? |
| 21:43.40 | JeffM2502 | wow |
| 21:44.04 | SilentSwan | i tried it too... but it was a long time ago |
| 21:44.45 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ListServerConnection.cxx bzfs.cxx): Fixing bots on public server. Merged from head |
| 21:45.05 | CBG | purple_cow: Im a 99%er |
| 21:45.30 | Tupone | SilentSwan: ? |
| 21:45.52 | SilentSwan | eh? |
| 21:46.02 | Tupone | those change are for you :) |
| 21:46.11 | SilentSwan | oh thank you :) |
| 21:46.14 | SilentSwan | *sm0000000000ch* |
| 21:46.15 | Tupone | 5 hours to wait |
| 21:46.18 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 21:46.28 | Tupone | :* |
| 21:46.35 | SilentSwan | *blush* |
| 21:51.12 | SilentSwan | wish i could find my advil.... hoping this isn't a migraine working it's way into my brain |
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| 22:08.10 | RPG_ | who hosts http://bzleague.com ? |
| 22:08.26 | brad2901 | menotume |
| 22:09.09 | RPG_ | nahh I ain't gonna ask that |
| 22:09.23 | CBG | sure, RPG_. :P |
| 22:10.05 | RPG_ | just wondering why A-D didn't ask him before he bought the domain for the MOFO league |
| 22:10.39 | CBG | probably didn't know about it. |
| 22:11.41 | RPG_ | meno's gotta put a more detailed page at http://bzleague.com |
| 22:11.56 | CBG | RPG_ be thankful. |
| 22:12.03 | CBG | It used to say "looking for something?" |
| 22:12.05 | RPG_ | i was gonna offer to make one |
| 22:12.07 | RPG_ | heh |
| 22:12.36 | RPG_ | i wonder if meno provides the hosting foo |
| 22:12.38 | RPG_ | *too |
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| 23:01.31 | KTL | why does a laggy but non playing client still bother the total server? |
| 23:01.48 | JeffM2501 | it is taking up bandwith |
| 23:02.02 | KTL | even if he does not play? |
| 23:02.12 | JeffM2501 | it still gets data |
| 23:02.18 | JeffM2501 | the server spends bandwith sending data to it |
| 23:02.21 | KTL | because the server has to resend the data over and over ? |
| 23:02.52 | JeffM2501 | no it just sends it once for each update for each other player |
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| 23:03.01 | JeffM2501 | even if they arn't "playing" |
| 23:03.04 | KTL | or a prolly because the server still needs a little reaction from the server |
| 23:03.07 | JeffM2501 | they still get updates from other players |
| 23:03.16 | KTL | euh from the client |
| 23:03.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah they get a small heartbeat from all clients |
| 23:03.39 | JeffM2501 | but mostly it's going to be upstream from the server |
| 23:03.44 | JeffM2501 | even an observer takes some bandwith |
| 23:03.50 | trepan | KTL: are you saying that the player's lagginess affects others? |
| 23:03.51 | JeffM2501 | nearly the same as a "playing" client |
| 23:03.57 | JeffM2501 | his LAG should not |
| 23:04.14 | KTL | well i just got kicked for lagging while i was death |
| 23:04.16 | JeffM2501 | he will take off the total upstream bandwith just by being there |
| 23:04.26 | JeffM2501 | sure, the pings are sent all the time |
| 23:04.37 | KTL | deaD |
| 23:04.37 | JeffM2501 | the lagkick code dosn't care if you are playing or not |
| 23:04.58 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't know the diff, it just knows your ping is wicked low |
| 23:05.23 | JeffM2501 | or high :) |
| 23:05.46 | KTL | but there is a difference? i mean, if i do not play, can i slow the server more down then with a normal good connection? |
| 23:06.02 | JeffM2501 | no, your lag isn't affecting others |
| 23:06.11 | JeffM2501 | you arn't adding anything to the away state |
| 23:06.21 | JeffM2501 | we could add something to not kick dead people |
| 23:06.22 | KTL | mmm good to know |
| 23:06.29 | JeffM2501 | tho as soon as you DO spawn you are a problem |
| 23:06.35 | JeffM2501 | so I don't think it's that important |
| 23:06.45 | KTL | well i have this lag-storms |
| 23:06.56 | JeffM2501 | then you shoudl quit :) |
| 23:07.06 | KTL | that is somebody who starts transferring a movie through my network |
| 23:07.31 | KTL | i remember having scores above 700 and going and then... movie |
| 23:08.31 | JeffM2501 | the lag kick code asumes that if you are a player, you will spawn at some point |
| 23:09.05 | KTL | i understand, and if i think at it is not trivial to implement it different |
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| 23:09.17 | KTL | aaah the pauze button! |
| 23:09.25 | KTL | does it kick while being pauzed? |
| 23:09.32 | JeffM2501 | dono |
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| 23:10.58 | JeffM2501 | ohy too many files to copy :( |
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| 23:26.48 | blast007 | JeffM2501: found a phpbb hack that adds a verification image for unregistered posting (like the registration issues forum) |
| 23:27.06 | JeffM2501 | cool |