| 00:02.16 | blast007 | Logwad: I had two drive go :) one was 60GB, one was 250GB |
| 00:02.54 | Lodyev | blast |
| 00:02.54 | blast007 | hello Lodyev |
| 00:02.54 | Lodyev | remember me |
| 00:02.54 | Logwad | Nice, do you back them up? |
| 00:02.54 | Logwad | *did |
| 00:02.56 | blast007 | Logwad: nope! :) |
| 00:03.08 | Lodyev | to me or him? |
| 00:03.15 | Lodyev | oh |
| 00:03.17 | Lodyev | i see |
| 00:03.30 | blast007 | Lodyev: and yes, I remember you |
| 00:03.33 | Logwad | I did, but the cd got scratched, on top, where the info is actually stored. ^_^ |
| 00:03.55 | Lodyev | well, i got some problems again |
| 00:04.01 | Lodyev | your help was super good |
| 00:04.15 | Lodyev | it all worked, but i ran into another problem |
| 00:04.25 | Lodyev | i can log in and everything works |
| 00:04.56 | Lodyev | but when other people try to get in, something happens, they like can't download the world file or something |
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| 00:05.49 | Lodyev | any ideas? |
| 00:11.20 | blast007 | Lodyev: sounds like your router has issues |
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| 00:12.22 | Lodyev | Lemme guess, can't fix em can i? |
| 00:13.16 | blast007 | make sure you are forwarding both TCP and UDP |
| 00:14.28 | Lodyev | I am |
| 00:14.37 | Lodyev | can i get someone to test it maybe |
| 00:15.39 | blast007 | what address/port? |
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| 00:15.53 | Lodyev | uhhh |
| 00:16.08 | blast007 | or if it's on the list, what is the description? |
| 00:16.32 | Lodyev | Called battlefest |
| 00:16.42 | Lodyev | secind page |
| 00:16.52 | blast007 | works for me |
| 00:17.01 | blast007 | or wait, I can't spawn |
| 00:17.17 | Lodyev | see? |
| 00:17.23 | Lodyev | that the usual problem |
| 00:18.25 | blast007 | I've seen this happen to a friend of mine, who also runs XP |
| 00:18.37 | Lodyev | whoa! |
| 00:18.41 | Lodyev | you remeber that =) |
| 00:18.47 | Lodyev | yea it says |
| 00:18.54 | Lodyev | blast joining as a tank |
| 00:19.02 | blast007 | bzfs runs best on linux/unix/*nix |
| 00:19.27 | Lodyev | so that means wont work =( |
| 00:19.38 | blast007 | do you have a firewall on that computer? |
| 00:19.42 | Lodyev | yes |
| 00:20.10 | blast007 | try turning that off quick |
| 00:20.29 | Lodyev | tried it will try again |
| 00:20.39 | Lodyev | off |
| 00:21.00 | Lodyev | saw you again |
| 00:21.03 | blast007 | same problem :( |
| 00:21.22 | Lodyev | i used the 127.0.0.1 to log in, what is that> |
| 00:21.30 | Lodyev | why does that work for me? |
| 00:21.48 | blast007 | that's an IP address that points directly to the computer you are on |
| 00:21.56 | Lodyev | okay |
| 00:22.01 | Lodyev | cool =) |
| 00:22.24 | Lodyev | one sec, im gonna try a simple server |
| 00:22.27 | blast007 | k |
| 00:24.10 | Lodyev | called all out war |
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| 00:24.32 | blast007 | that one works |
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| 00:43.35 | Thumper_ | building plugins... can we do this outside the bzflag project tree easily? |
| 00:44.32 | JeffM2501 | depends on the OS |
| 00:44.49 | JeffM2501 | windows, yah it's cake |
| 00:44.50 | Thumper_ | okay... debian/linux/i386 |
| 00:44.51 | Thumper_ | 32bit |
| 00:44.55 | JeffM2501 | not so easy |
| 00:44.55 | Thumper_ | :D |
| 00:45.05 | JeffM2501 | not untill bzfs exports a lib |
| 00:45.20 | JeffM2501 | once it does that, then all plugins need is the lib and the header |
| 00:45.23 | JeffM2501 | just like windows |
| 00:45.28 | Thumper_ | ok |
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| 01:30.02 | Thumper_ | plugins: virtual bool autoDelete - this isn't documented anywhere (I think) but used in some of the sample plugins |
| 01:30.12 | Thumper_ | do we need it for all plugins that handle more than one event? |
| 01:33.41 | brlcad | all quiet in the homefront |
| 01:35.04 | Thumper_ | include/bzfsAPI.h already defines it to return false... so I'm confused about why this is in specific plugins at all |
| 01:36.18 | JeffM2501 | plugins ALLWAYS want to leave it false |
| 01:36.24 | JeffM2501 | it will eventualy be removed |
| 01:36.31 | Thumper_ | so can't they just leave that part of the source out? |
| 01:36.34 | JeffM2501 | it is only used as true by internal |
| 01:36.46 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, sadly, not the way C++ works :) |
| 01:36.51 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 01:36.55 | JeffM2501 | not till I make the internals not use the API |
| 01:37.39 | Thumper_ | so RogueGenocide has what looks like an identical definition of autoDelete as the include file |
| 01:37.42 | Thumper_ | or am I missing something |
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| 01:38.03 | JeffM2501 | it should be the same |
| 01:38.06 | JeffM2501 | or not exist |
| 01:38.12 | JeffM2501 | it realy should not exist |
| 01:38.17 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 01:38.19 | JeffM2501 | then the base class will take care of it |
| 01:38.28 | Thumper_ | so since I'm using some of the existing plugins as examples... |
| 01:38.36 | Thumper_ | I don'tw ant to copy the definition of this into my new plugins |
| 01:38.41 | Thumper_ | (that is really my question) :) |
| 01:38.45 | JeffM2501 | basicly if it returns true, bzfs will delete the class after the event is called |
| 01:38.56 | JeffM2501 | and that will crash on windows if the event is defined in a plugin |
| 01:39.04 | Thumper_ | I won't be setting it to anything but false |
| 01:39.06 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, just leave that function oout |
| 01:39.27 | JeffM2501 | you only derive the functions you want to customise |
| 01:39.29 | Thumper_ | but I'd rather jsut not define it at all if it works without it -- ok thx Jeff |
| 01:39.32 | JeffM2501 | aka the "handle" one |
| 01:39.43 | Thumper_ | that's the answer I was hoping for |
| 01:39.45 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, DON'T define it in your class |
| 01:40.00 | JeffM2501 | the base class will handle it |
| 01:40.02 | Thumper_ | yup - ok thx |
| 01:40.19 | Thumper_ | this wasn't obvious from the 'blessed' plugin example code |
| 01:40.20 | JeffM2501 | standard C++ derivation stuff |
| 01:40.32 | JeffM2501 | the samples are in NO way "blessed" |
| 01:40.40 | JeffM2501 | and I'd realy wish you'd stop thinking of them as such |
| 01:40.58 | JeffM2501 | they are just samnples |
| 01:41.00 | JeffM2501 | not word of law |
| 01:41.05 | Thumper_ | blessed/official/maintained/samples/whatever you want to call them |
| 01:41.15 | JeffM2501 | they are just one way |
| 01:41.20 | JeffM2501 | we do not say they are the best way |
| 01:41.21 | Thumper_ | as opposed to my hacked together 'stuff' |
| 01:41.22 | JeffM2501 | or the only way |
| 01:41.24 | JeffM2501 | just ONE |
| 01:41.30 | Thumper_ | got it |
| 01:41.30 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, IT IS HACKED TOGETHER STUFF |
| 01:41.38 | Thumper_ | (so's mine) |
| 01:41.53 | Thumper_ | I'm just asking so I dont' base my hacks on other (bad) hacks |
| 01:41.55 | Thumper_ | :D |
| 01:42.08 | Thumper_ | ok g2g drive home... thx |
| 01:42.09 | JeffM2501 | it's all gonna change in 2.1 anyway :) |
| 01:42.15 | Thumper_ | that's fine |
| 01:42.24 | Thumper_ | I'll deal with that when the time comes... |
| 01:42.36 | JeffM2501 | C and C++ interfaces :) |
| 01:42.42 | Thumper_ | in the meantime I want to split my plugin into 3 or 4 separate useful (to me) things |
| 01:42.53 | Thumper_ | cool |
| 01:43.07 | JeffM2501 | most of the interface is C Style anyway |
| 01:43.30 | Thumper_ | thx JeffM2501 |
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| 02:48.49 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (GameKeeper.cxx GameKeeper.h bzfs.cxx): When removing shot, get the Shot info before |
| 02:50.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (22 files in 6 dirs): merge changes from 2.0.5. v2_0branch tagged as merge-2_0-2_1-4. |
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| 02:54.44 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 03:26.00 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Formatting a MsgHit message, notifying that client is hit by a shot |
| 03:28.39 | Ice_Wewe | is there, or is there not, a hour delay for the anoymous CVS to update? |
| 03:28.56 | blast007 | there is a 5 hour interval where it syncs, last I knew |
| 03:29.26 | Ice_Wewe | blast007: so does that mean when an invisible 5 hour timer goes off, it updates |
| 03:29.39 | blast007 | right |
| 03:29.41 | Ice_Wewe | and if that is 2 seconds after a developer changed something, it will be updated in 2 seconds? |
| 03:29.55 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 03:30.01 | Ice_Wewe | and if its 4:59:59 when they update it, we will have to wait 5 more hours? |
| 03:30.11 | blast007 | ....yes... |
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| 03:32.28 | Ice_Wewe | blast007: blast! (phun intented) |
| 03:32.49 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:35.07 | EbErT | u ready for a rematch, Ice_Wewe? |
| 03:37.38 | Ice_Wewe | EbErT: no, I should be getting to bed soon, just taking a look at Win Xp's new web page, hoping to make some improvements |
| 03:37.56 | EbErT | ok |
| 03:38.02 | Ice_Wewe | EbErT: its only 10:40 here, and I've only been up since 6am |
| 03:38.07 | Ice_Wewe | 10:40 pm that is |
| 03:38.13 | EbErT | same here |
| 03:38.18 | EbErT | that isn't that late, old man |
| 03:38.28 | EbErT | oh well |
| 03:41.34 | Ice_Wewe | EbErT: it is when your body doesn't know how to sleep in O.o |
| 03:41.43 | Ice_Wewe | EbErT: also when you don't drink coffee |
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| 03:43.59 | Ice_Wewe | uggg, it would make a nicer web page if Win Xp leared to spell and type |
| 03:44.35 | EbErT | is winxp the bzflag player, or the os, or something else |
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| 03:44.55 | Ice_Wewe | EbErT: a bzflag player, and a Windows user |
| 03:45.06 | Ice_Wewe | EbErT: and he might be ET on the side... I just don't know |
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| 04:13.14 | SportChick | ~bzflist |
| 04:20.34 | Ice_Wewe | night.... *yawn* |
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| 04:44.35 | lan56 | any players use joystick? |
| 04:49.06 | EbErT | i heard someone say they did yesterday |
| 04:49.29 | EbErT | but I don't know why u would, its not an airplan sim |
| 04:55.23 | blast007 | well, there is rumble/directional feedback for joysticks and gamepads |
| 04:55.53 | blast007 | I've used my analog gamepad several times |
| 05:11.51 | EbErT | does it give u varied speeds? |
| 05:11.56 | EbErT | unlike the keyboard? |
| 05:12.11 | lan56 | I see |
| 05:12.27 | EbErT | blast007: does it give you varied speeds? |
| 05:12.30 | blast007 | yes |
| 05:12.39 | EbErT | cool, may try it |
| 05:12.43 | blast007 | digital controllers won't, but analog does |
| 05:12.44 | EbErT | with gamepad |
| 05:12.54 | EbErT | ya, if course |
| 05:12.57 | EbErT | of |
| 05:17.30 | EbErT | blast007: how do you change what the gamepad buttons do |
| 05:17.50 | EbErT | the left analog stick only lets me go in circles to the left |
| 05:18.01 | EbErT | no buttons work yet |
| 05:18.03 | EbErT | hmm |
| 05:22.01 | blast007 | should be able to map them |
| 05:23.24 | blast007 | works okay with my USB gamepad |
| 05:26.42 | trepan | slight improvement: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/newflag.jpg |
| 05:27.10 | purple_cow | trepan: cloth sim? :) |
| 05:27.54 | trepan | lighting normals :) |
| 05:28.08 | trepan | and a touch of specular |
| 05:28.14 | purple_cow | heh |
| 05:33.31 | trepan | oh, and double-sided lighting, ick |
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| 06:57.58 | SilentSwan | note it down, it doesn't happen often :) |
| 07:03.41 | Pimpi | hehe |
| 07:31.46 | Aribeth | :) |
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| 07:53.15 | silverfox | ~silvercat current map |
| 07:53.17 | ibot | well, silvercat current map is overlord which started around 10:36 PM PST. You can always find the current map at http://silvercat.bzleague.com/maps/ |
| 08:11.58 | Pimpi | ~literal silvercat |
| 08:11.59 | ibot | "silvercat" is "<reply> see bzfquery silvercat.tybox.net" |
| 08:12.13 | Pimpi | ~literal silvercat current map |
| 08:12.15 | ibot | "silvercat current map" is "overlord which started around 10:36 PM PST. You can always find the current map at http://silvercat.bzleague.com/maps/" |
| 08:15.11 | silverfox | What's "~literal" do? |
| 08:15.40 | _Manu_ | morning Pimpi |
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| 09:45.32 | ToughShooter | n/msg MemoServ LIST |
| 09:45.37 | ToughShooter | oops :( |
| 09:57.01 | _Manu_ | n syndrome |
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| 10:23.53 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 10:34.29 | lan56 | heh thats the sign of a dedicated bzflag player: putting 'n' before every message |
| 10:34.36 | lan56 | especially ones starting with a '/' |
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| 11:52.47 | b_o_n_o | hello |
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| 12:30.41 | _Manu_ | ciao |
| 12:31.23 | Tupone | hola |
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| 13:10.15 | orchid | where is Silicon Valley? |
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| 13:32.48 | ruskie | orchid, san francisco california iirc :) |
| 13:32.52 | ruskie | or someplace there |
| 13:33.05 | orchid | oh in SF? |
| 13:33.38 | orchid | I knew/thought it was in california but wasnt sure where |
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| 14:04.14 | Birdie | does some one have a _good_ bzadmin for windows? |
| 14:04.33 | Birdie | mine cant even talk to one person, and i loose my text always as soon some one talks/joins/kills |
| 14:05.14 | brad2901 | I'd like the "good" one aswell if possible :) |
| 14:20.11 | orchid | Birdie: it *might* run in cygwin http://www.cygwin.com/ |
| 14:21.36 | Birdie | i'll check the *might* |
| 14:22.13 | ToughShooter | When I change the size of the window mine gets really funny... |
| 14:23.47 | ToughShooter | it doesn't use the new free space and the lowest text block (where you can select the target you're talking to) gets invisible, but the player and team names get redrawn after switching target |
| 14:24.16 | ToughShooter | and the 2.1 bzadmin connects to no 2.1 server |
| 14:25.03 | orchid | ToughShooter: are you using the ncurses ui? |
| 14:25.28 | ToughShooter | umm, I don't know |
| 14:25.52 | orchid | resizing an ncurses app can cause some weird redraw issues |
| 14:27.00 | orchid | try it with: bzadmin -ui stdout |
| 14:28.21 | BearPerson | stdboth, no? |
| 14:29.32 | ToughShooter | "curses: -lncurses" |
| 14:29.43 | ToughShooter | that means yes I guess |
| 14:30.47 | orchid | BearPerson: yeah, stdboth sry |
| 14:33.17 | ToughShooter | that is even more wiered |
| 14:33.34 | ToughShooter | no more colors and I don't see to whom I am talking |
| 14:33.58 | ToughShooter | even my mouse buttons print escaped text into the window |
| 14:34.09 | ToughShooter | but it uses the free space now |
| 14:34.15 | brad2901 | does anyone know how to fix: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/28562 ? |
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| 15:06.11 | brlcad | brad2901: it's an internal compiler header errror in the stl -- would need to know what that line is in sstream.tcc (preferably the entire file contents) |
| 15:06.27 | brad2901 | sure, I'll pastebin |
| 15:08.00 | brlcad | my guess is either a bonefide header bug in that version of the stl, or a define/typedef or somesuch getting clobbered by a bz-define, or a symbol not getting defined system-wise causing the fun |
| 15:08.28 | brad2901 | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/28569 |
| 15:09.00 | brlcad | it's the second |
| 15:09.06 | brlcad | min/max |
| 15:09.11 | brad2901 | hrm |
| 15:10.19 | brlcad | does your config.h have HAVE_STD__MIN in it? |
| 15:10.29 | brlcad | if so, what's it set/unset to |
| 15:10.54 | brad2901 | is this the config.h in /bzflag/Dev-C++ ? |
| 15:11.04 | brlcad | no, it's in bz's include dir |
| 15:11.13 | brad2901 | ok |
| 15:12.17 | brad2901 | there is no config.h , only config.h.in |
| 15:12.57 | brad2901 | in that file: |
| 15:12.58 | brad2901 | #undef HAVE_STD__MIN |
| 15:13.24 | brlcad | the config.h is there somewhere, maybe in a naother dir |
| 15:13.34 | brlcad | or you'd have tons of errors ;) |
| 15:13.38 | brad2901 | there is one in the dev-cpp dir |
| 15:14.09 | brad2901 | #define HAVE_STD__MIN 1 |
| 15:14.10 | brad2901 | #define HAVE_STD__MAX 1 |
| 15:20.49 | brlcad | ahh, perhaps it uses a pregenerated one |
| 15:20.49 | brlcad | yeah, put that in your config.h if it's not there |
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| 15:21.29 | brad2901 | that's from the config.h in /bzflag/Dev-C++ |
| 15:22.16 | brlcad | comment them out then |
| 15:22.22 | brad2901 | ok |
| 15:26.41 | brad2901 | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/28571 |
| 15:35.05 | Birdie | sniff kicked while paused with agility for moving to fast:( |
| 15:35.15 | Birdie | and i had such good score |
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| 15:35.57 | Birdie | and just one question, autokicked for endshot6, is that always cheating? |
| 15:36.08 | Birdie | cause why should cheaters use something they get autokicked for?:s |
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| 15:41.02 | Pimpi | Birdie: no, it doesn't always mean ti's a cheat |
| 15:41.49 | Pimpi | there are players who use it though thy get kicked every 60 seconds, dunno why. |
| 15:42.15 | Birdie | how to make the difference between cheaters and non cheaters with such kick? |
| 15:42.35 | RPG_ | are you talking about mouse enhancements? |
| 15:42.50 | Pimpi | RPG_: no, endshot cheat |
| 15:43.52 | Pimpi | you can hardly make a difference between the innocent (lag related) player and the one who uses the cheat only now and then |
| 15:44.20 | RPG_ | Why not have the server take care of the endshots? |
| 15:44.30 | Pimpi | proto break |
| 15:44.31 | RPG_ | It checks for them anyways, how hard would it be for it to end them itself? |
| 15:45.35 | Pimpi | it will be tried in 2.1, but it probably makes the effects of lag even worse |
| 15:47.04 | Pimpi | the occasional kick of innocents proves that |
| 15:47.30 | tofu | brad2901: that sucks |
| 15:47.32 | RPG_ | hmmm |
| 15:47.52 | tofu | so built-in is busted, and it complains about the replacement |
| 15:48.02 | brad2901 | tofu: seems so |
| 15:48.07 | tofu | why are you just now encountering this problem? |
| 15:48.16 | st4lker | when will the bflag2.0.4 debian package released? |
| 15:48.25 | tofu | that was last modified months ago |
| 15:48.30 | Pimpi | the autokick is just a tool to prevent excessive use of the cheat as watched when it first came up |
| 15:48.41 | RPG_ | DEBIAN! |
| 15:48.41 | RPG_ | /me hides |
| 15:49.17 | brad2901 | tofu: I haven't really tried building bzadmin-curses before :) |
| 15:49.19 | Pimpi | !debian version bzflag |
| 15:49.22 | Guu | Pimpi: 8 matches found: bzflag (oldstable: 1.7e4); bzflag (stable: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag (testing: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag (unstable: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag-server (oldstable: 1.7e4); bzflag-server (stable: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag-server (testing: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag-server (unstable: 2.0.4.20051017) |
| 15:49.34 | RPG_ | what about giving the endshot detection more "foriveness" to the player, i.e. if a shot is not ended on time, not kick him, but say if a shot is ended 20 units after it should have been ended, kick him. |
| 15:50.03 | tofu | brad2901: so bz builds fine otherwise then? |
| 15:50.16 | RPG_ | -or-, when calculating endshots, have BZFS compute in that player's lag, and give him more/less leeway according to that |
| 15:50.17 | brad2901 | yep |
| 15:50.29 | brad2901 | "normal" bzadmin gives an error aswell |
| 15:50.34 | brad2901 | something about regex |
| 15:50.37 | Pimpi | i don't know how the cheat detection works exactly, so no idea |
| 15:50.49 | RPG_ | I favor the first idea |
| 15:50.55 | RPG_ | the second one would probably be harder to implement |
| 15:51.04 | Pimpi | but it only kicks after a configurable times of failtures |
| 15:51.14 | RPG_ | an algorithm would have to be developed, and so on |
| 15:51.14 | Pimpi | and you can entirely turn it off |
| 15:51.18 | RPG_ | oh |
| 15:51.54 | Pimpi | st4lker: seen it? 2.0.4 is available in testing |
| 15:52.08 | tofu | brad2901: not sure what to tell you then.. try upgrading dev-c++? |
| 15:52.11 | st4lker | ah ok |
| 15:52.13 | st4lker | thx ;) |
| 15:52.27 | tofu | i'd put the #define's back, since it does have them |
| 15:52.32 | brad2901 | tofu: ok, i'll give it a try, thanks |
| 15:52.45 | st4lker | and can i install this package wihout root rights into my homedir with --extract? |
| 15:52.57 | Pimpi | RPG_: yeah, patches are welcome ;) |
| 15:53.35 | Pimpi | RPG_: it works fine in most setups, afaik only Thumper__ turned it off |
| 15:54.12 | Pimpi | occasional wrong positives are a low price |
| 15:54.18 | Pimpi | imho |
| 15:54.43 | RPG_ | does anyone know if they have gotten 2.0.0 or 2.0.2 to work on x86_64 architecture? |
| 15:54.51 | RPG_ | ping trepan |
| 15:54.58 | Pimpi | st4lker: it's a debian package like any other, you can handle it like any other |
| 15:55.23 | st4lker | ok |
| 16:01.00 | Pimpi | st4lker: but extract just calls dpkg-deb, which is a low level tool, you probably need to fix things in advance. no pre/post-install scripts are executed |
| 16:01.25 | st4lker | i used dpkg --extract |
| 16:01.50 | Pimpi | yeah, dpkg --extrace just calls dpkg-deb --extrace |
| 16:01.58 | Pimpi | nothing else |
| 16:02.09 | Pimpi | extract of course |
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| 16:04.13 | Aribeth | hey vms |
| 16:04.27 | I_Died_Once | Odd - I got a new cable modem, and my IP didn't change |
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| 16:12.01 | st4lker | ./bzadmin: error while loading shared libraries: libcurl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:12.19 | st4lker | can i install the libcurl to my homeidr? |
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| 16:14.41 | RPG1 | hello |
| 16:14.46 | RPG1 | hmm, can someone kick RPG_? |
| 16:14.53 | Birdie | ghost him |
| 16:15.32 | RPG_ | there we go |
| 16:16.16 | RPG_ | RPG_ was on my linux system, then it crashed :( |
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| 16:29.57 | Ice_Wewe | hello |
| 16:30.09 | Ice_Wewe | how do I rotate something that has been output by wings3d? |
| 16:30.26 | Ice_Wewe | like wings wont properly rotate it, so what do I do to properly rotate it myself? |
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| 16:44.21 | jpa- | Ice_Wewe: define it in a group and then put a spin-keyword in the group instance |
| 16:46.51 | Ice_Wewe | spin? |
| 16:48.03 | Ice_Wewe | ok... |
| 16:48.16 | jpa- | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ etc. |
| 16:49.20 | Ice_Wewe | jpa-: it doesn't recognize spin |
| 16:49.42 | jpa- | well you're just doing something wrong or i remember something wrong |
| 16:49.56 | Ice_Wewe | /home/wili/wings-0.98.29b/lighthouse.bzw: warning (line 65128): unknown object parameter "spin" - skipping |
| 16:50.53 | jpa- | you remembered the parameters to spin? |
| 16:50.59 | jpa- | and the group definition too? |
| 16:51.27 | Ice_Wewe | jpa-: working now |
| 16:51.29 | jpa- | i think i've explained also the grouping on the pages i pasted.. but they're on the manual page anyway |
| 16:51.43 | jpa- | k |
| 16:58.22 | Ice_Wewe | jpa-: ok, so here is my problem, I have multiple objects in wings3d, I need to rotate them 90, so that instead of lying down, its standing up, and I can't because wings3d wont group my objects... so, what now? |
| 16:58.41 | Ice_Wewe | jpa-: and the grouping thing just isn't rotating it... |
| 16:58.51 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: wings3D will group objects |
| 16:58.56 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: how?! |
| 16:59.10 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: I've tried everything, even google! |
| 16:59.19 | jpa- | you can rotate them in wings3D, unless you are an idiot |
| 16:59.52 | RPG_ | in "object select" mode, click on all the objects you want to rotate. then, right click in an open space on your map, and choose somethign like "Group" (i don't know if that's the exact menu option). |
| 16:59.54 | Ice_Wewe | jpa-: I'm not an idiot, but you can't rotate them because they're different objects, so it individually rotates each object, and it gets way messed up |
| 17:00.03 | RPG_ | then, de-select everything, and click on one of the objects in your group |
| 17:00.06 | RPG_ | the entire thing will highlight |
| 17:00.11 | RPG_ | rotate that |
| 17:00.30 | jpa- | Ice_Wewe: oh, so you want to rotate them all? that'll work right with the spin too |
| 17:00.41 | jpa- | but RPG_'s should work as well |
| 17:00.48 | RPG_ | Ice_Wewe: select "combine" from the object menu, to group them |
| 17:00.50 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: there is no Group thing |
| 17:00.59 | RPG_ | it's"combine" |
| 17:01.00 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_: there is no object menu |
| 17:01.15 | RPG_ | are you in object selection mode? |
| 17:01.30 | Ice_Wewe | I select all, I right click on an empty space, I get "Face operations" |
| 17:01.40 | Ice_Wewe | there is no "combine" in that menu |
| 17:01.41 | RPG_ | because you're not in object slect mode! |
| 17:01.45 | jpa- | are you in object mode? |
| 17:01.56 | Ice_Wewe | well where do I go to get to object select mode?! |
| 17:01.59 | RPG_ | at the top of Wings3D, there's 4 pictures of triangles |
| 17:02.07 | RPG_ | each with a differetn part of them shaded red |
| 17:02.07 | Ice_Wewe | yes |
| 17:02.16 | RPG_ | click on the triangle that's all red |
| 17:02.20 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 17:02.24 | RPG_ | that's 'object mode' |
| 17:02.29 | RPG_ | select everythign you want to rotate |
| 17:02.43 | RPG_ | right-click on an open space, click "combine" |
| 17:02.45 | RPG_ | then rotate it |
| 17:02.51 | RPG_ | it'll all rotate proportionally |
| 17:02.59 | Ice_Wewe | thx |
| 17:03.14 | RPG_ | choose "separate" from that menu to un-group the objects |
| 17:04.57 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
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| 17:08.13 | Ice_Wewe | jpa-: is there anyway I can preserve the colour scheme that it had in wings3d? |
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| 17:08.57 | brlcad | mmm.. waffles |
| 17:09.18 | jpa- | Ice_Wewe: i have never used it |
| 17:09.23 | Ice_Wewe | oh ok |
| 17:09.43 | Ice_Wewe | (to all) is there anyway I can save (as in put it in the map too) the colors that were on the object in Wings? |
| 17:11.12 | jpa- | read the file it outputs, if there is no material data in that, probably you can't.. trepan would know |
| 17:12.40 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 17:21.13 | Ice_Wewe | mmmm thx, I got it working perfectly... |
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| 17:50.44 | AshuKi | looze? |
| 17:52.40 | vms | Hey Aribeth (belated hello) |
| 17:53.49 | Ice_Wewe | Aribeth: wazzup? :D |
| 17:54.20 | Ice_Wewe | jpa-: is there anyway I can link something in a map? I have a 200kb snowman (from wings) and I want to make 4, but a 1mb map file is a hassle |
| 17:55.11 | jpa- | yes, there is a way, define/group |
| 17:55.13 | jpa- | RTFM |
| 17:55.55 | Ice_Wewe | RTFM? |
| 17:56.03 | jpa- | read the fine manual |
| 17:56.10 | jpa- | example also in the end of http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/transformations.php |
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| 18:57.40 | Ice_Wewe | how do I get something to move around the map? |
| 18:57.55 | Ice_Wewe | its not a mesh box, its a group |
| 18:58.00 | Ice_Wewe | I need it to move |
| 18:58.07 | Ice_Wewe | how would I go about making it do that? |
| 18:58.57 | blast007 | I belive that's in the man file |
| 18:59.07 | Ice_Wewe | blast007: man file? you mean map wiki? |
| 18:59.17 | blast007 | no |
| 18:59.22 | blast007 | the manual file for bzw |
| 18:59.35 | Ice_Wewe | where is that? |
| 18:59.42 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi |
| 18:59.53 | brlcad | the manual page tells all |
| 19:00.32 | brlcad | should be considered the difinitive doc for the format spec |
| 19:01.45 | shorty114 | do i want SDL 1.0 or 1.2? |
| 19:01.53 | shorty114 | according to the web page both are stable... |
| 19:02.00 | JeffM2501 | 1.2 |
| 19:02.04 | shorty114 | k thanks |
| 19:02.08 | JeffM2501 | 1.2.9 is latest IIRC |
| 19:02.15 | shorty114 | yeah it is |
| 19:02.55 | shorty114 | do i want both runtime and devel libraries to compile? |
| 19:03.16 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 19:03.20 | shorty114 | os x |
| 19:03.22 | shorty114 | tiger |
| 19:03.31 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the devl includes the runtimes |
| 19:03.47 | Ice_Wewe | shorty114: you need to compile SDL for it, so that BZFlag will compile properly |
| 19:04.07 | Ice_Wewe | blast007: I've made a phydrv which I think I need to make this guy move, but it says it can |
| 19:04.13 | Ice_Wewe | can't find it* |
| 19:04.15 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, that is not true |
| 19:04.18 | Ice_Wewe | (sorry for the return) |
| 19:04.24 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: well it was in my case. |
| 19:04.31 | JeffM2501 | then you did it wrong :) |
| 19:04.37 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: meh, it works |
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| 19:05.04 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, you have to install the runtime framework, *then* install devel |
| 19:05.08 | shorty114 | so it's both packages |
| 19:05.38 | shorty114 | weird, i remember that SDL used to come in one pkg file... |
| 19:05.40 | JeffM2501 | then you know the answer to your question :) |
| 19:06.22 | shorty114 | i'm just saying, in case someone else comes in here asking the same question :) |
| 19:07.55 | shorty114 | oh and the windowed version of BZ on os x is rather buggy |
| 19:08.01 | shorty114 | i couldn't drag the window around |
| 19:08.20 | shorty114 | the mouse kept reappearing at the bottom of the screen when i moved it over the title bar |
| 19:09.01 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there is an option to bind the cursor to the window |
| 19:09.10 | JeffM2501 | but yes, it is iffy on OSX |
| 19:09.28 | JeffM2501 | apple does not like it when you muck with the system cursor :) |
| 19:09.38 | shorty114 | heh |
| 19:11.30 | shorty114 | hmm i'm gonna try for a .app version of cvs next |
| 19:11.34 | shorty114 | seems to be building fine |
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| 19:16.22 | JeffM2501 | are you doing this so plugins will work? |
| 19:17.40 | bz5557 | ~bzfquery 82.155.116.155:5154 |
| 19:18.41 | bz5557 | ~bzfquery 82.155.116.155:5154 |
| 19:21.38 | bz5557 | ~bzfquery 82.155.116.155:5154 |
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| 19:22.33 | SilentSwan | brlcad: are you having network issues or something on bzflag.bz? |
| 19:22.49 | SilentSwan | hey |
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| 19:23.24 | SilentSwan | Pepper is *reallllly* hyper right now... beware |
| 19:23.33 | Aribeth | oh oh |
| 19:24.27 | SilentSwan | brlcad: i think you're connection's b0rked |
| 19:24.27 | brlcad | SilentSwan: there is network maintenance on-going right now |
| 19:24.31 | SilentSwan | ahhhh |
| 19:24.31 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 19:24.37 | brlcad | it'll be a while longer |
| 19:24.43 | SilentSwan | ok no worries, just wondering if you knew |
| 19:24.51 | brlcad | been on-going since about 1:30am |
| 19:25.06 | SilentSwan | sounds like SBC *cough* |
| 19:25.26 | brlcad | it was supposed to only go until 6am, but it's taken longer than expected ;) |
| 19:25.43 | brlcad | they have been keeping me informed, though at least |
| 19:25.55 | brlcad | and this was scheduled maintenance |
| 19:26.04 | SilentSwan | ah ok |
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| 19:27.01 | SilentSwan | trouble is, one may not be able to get that far :P |
| 19:27.18 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:33.28 | Aribeth | iuchieeee |
| 19:33.32 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, was the plugins thing directed at me? |
| 19:33.41 | brlcad | Aribeth: bless you |
| 19:33.48 | Aribeth | lol |
| 19:34.00 | Aribeth | i meant ouchieeee for SS |
| 19:34.20 | Aribeth | love is getting bit by your parrot |
| 19:34.40 | brlcad | them's good eatin |
| 19:34.48 | Aribeth | heh |
| 19:34.52 | brlcad | love em back |
| 19:35.07 | Aribeth | my parrot is small and she can leave large welts |
| 19:35.37 | Aribeth | she gets lot of love :) |
| 19:36.55 | SilentSwan | ah no wonder my hands always look terrible |
| 19:38.01 | Aribeth | yep |
| 19:38.10 | SilentSwan | *sniff* he's been bathing in his water bowl again where he threw his food earlier... so now he smells a bit.. funky |
| 19:38.43 | SilentSwan | luckily, i have a perch for him in the shower :) |
| 19:39.52 | SilentSwan | Aribeth: how is amber around visitors? |
| 19:40.20 | Aribeth | she's ok. it depends |
| 19:40.31 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 19:40.43 | SilentSwan | this guy still puts up a fuss even with people he's seen a lot... ah well |
| 19:41.06 | Aribeth | heh, he's just protecting you |
| 19:41.45 | SilentSwan | that and driving people away so he can have me all to himself |
| 19:42.00 | Aribeth | yep |
| 19:42.08 | Aribeth | same with amber |
| 19:42.26 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, yes |
| 19:42.43 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, ah ok |
| 19:42.49 | shorty114 | what are plugins? |
| 19:42.57 | JeffM2501 | then your answer is no |
| 19:43.06 | SilentSwan | tried to encourage a friend to help restrain him... while i trim his nails. the response i got was... "uh uh... no. nooooo way" hehe |
| 19:43.11 | JeffM2501 | I had made a CVS .app build a bit ago |
| 19:43.18 | JeffM2501 | if you want to save yoruslef the time |
| 19:43.36 | shorty114 | sure |
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| 19:44.58 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, nvm, just finished compiling source |
| 19:45.23 | Aribeth | ooooo, thats hard |
| 19:46.04 | shorty114 | what value do i need for -directory? |
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| 19:46.48 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, pack it up in the .app and you don't need the directory part |
| 19:46.56 | JeffM2501 | run the xcode project now |
| 19:46.59 | JeffM2501 | and it'll make a .app |
| 19:47.27 | shorty114 | k |
| 19:48.36 | shorty114 | so i just hit Build? |
| 19:48.43 | shorty114 | i've already built it via CLI |
| 19:48.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:48.56 | JeffM2501 | it won't rebuild the source |
| 19:48.59 | JeffM2501 | since it's built |
| 19:49.05 | JeffM2501 | but it'll do the step 2 |
| 19:49.30 | shorty114 | where does it put the .app? |
| 19:49.38 | shorty114 | it's Copying 1 of 4 files... |
| 19:49.57 | JeffM2501 | in the build dir |
| 19:50.03 | shorty114 | it failed |
| 19:50.46 | shorty114 | pbxcp: error: write(): /.../BZFlag.app/Contents/MacOS/bzadmin: Bad address |
| 19:51.40 | JeffM2501 | did you build bzadmin in the command line? |
| 19:51.59 | shorty114 | i did ./autogen.sh, then ./configure, then make |
| 19:52.19 | JeffM2501 | did the configure say it was going to build bzadmin? |
| 19:52.45 | shorty114 | it didn't list it with SDL, bzflag and such |
| 19:52.50 | shorty114 | iirc |
| 19:52.56 | ToughShooter | Which XCode version? |
| 19:53.05 | JeffM2501 | do you have /src/bzadmin/bzadmin ? |
| 19:53.05 | shorty114 | it was going to use curses though |
| 19:53.11 | ToughShooter | 2.1 has changed locations a bit.. |
| 19:53.51 | shorty114 | it was hanging... |
| 19:53.55 | shorty114 | i'll try it after lunch |
| 19:54.07 | shorty114 | i might have screwed the xcode project up - i tried to build it before |
| 19:54.14 | shorty114 | i'll check out fresh cvs code later |
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| 19:54.16 | shorty114 | thanks for help, though |
| 20:10.07 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: please could you build bzadmin-pdcurses for the windows users? :) |
| 20:11.51 | Birdie | oh i like that idea:) |
| 20:12.30 | SilentSwan | shh... don't tell anyone - commandlines confuse windows users :) |
| 20:13.09 | lan56 | if you are looking for a windows build via any ide/compiler, then dev-C++ already has a project for that |
| 20:13.39 | brad2901 | lan56: tried earlier, but it failed |
| 20:13.44 | lan56 | cvs? |
| 20:13.47 | brad2901 | yeah |
| 20:13.57 | Aribeth | commandline? whats that ;) |
| 20:14.06 | brad2901 | 2.1.3 though, not 2.0.5 |
| 20:14.34 | shorty114 | Aribeth, pbbst. windows user. :P |
| 20:14.44 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 20:14.53 | brad2901 | lan56: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/28562 |
| 20:15.02 | Aribeth | whats windows? :P |
| 20:15.55 | lan56 | brad2901, ahh I see. I had that problem before and gave up on it :( I'll try figuring it out again now |
| 20:16.16 | brad2901 | lan56: ok, thanks :) |
| 20:16.27 | lan56 | all in the line of duty |
| 20:16.33 | SilentSwan | what's windows? this: http://members.evansville.net/jj33/humordir/ms.dnaonbg.html |
| 20:18.56 | shorty114 | Aribeth, k. pbbst. red hat user. ;P |
| 20:18.58 | Aribeth | heh |
| 20:19.27 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, all the binarys should have curses now |
| 20:19.31 | JeffM2501 | even windows |
| 20:19.43 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: nope, still the normal bzadmin |
| 20:20.12 | brad2901 | there was only one build which had bzadmin-curses |
| 20:20.25 | brad2901 | one of the 2.0.4 betas are I think |
| 20:20.32 | brad2901 | -are |
| 20:21.27 | JeffM2501 | the release build has _HAVE_CURSES_H defined for it |
| 20:21.58 | JeffM2501 | do you have the curses dll? |
| 20:22.03 | brad2901 | curses.dll is there, but bzadmin is the normal one |
| 20:22.13 | JeffM2501 | it was built with curses |
| 20:22.17 | JeffM2501 | that's all I can tell you |
| 20:22.21 | brad2901 | ok |
| 20:28.21 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, is there any way to resize a dmg? |
| 20:28.25 | JeffM2501 | to make it biger? |
| 20:29.38 | *** join/#bzflag KTL (n=KTL@kotnet-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be) |
| 20:29.45 | KTL | aaaaaaah i got in the stats page! |
| 20:29.51 | KTL | aaah so long ago |
| 20:29.59 | KTL | and i found a small bug |
| 20:30.09 | KTL | a server has modified the mg |
| 20:30.17 | KTL | it is very fast |
| 20:30.36 | KTL | well for other players the range of that mg is longer on radar then for the owner |
| 20:30.49 | shorty114 | are they on the same radar zoom level? |
| 20:30.58 | KTL | the mg goes farther then the owner sees it on radar |
| 20:31.07 | blast007 | could also be the shot trail settings |
| 20:31.14 | blast007 | tail* |
| 20:31.14 | KTL | euh probably the zoom level has nothing to do with it |
| 20:31.25 | KTL | but anyway, my head is protesting |
| 20:31.26 | shorty114 | the server might have set MG to go really far... |
| 20:31.28 | KTL | my stomac too |
| 20:31.52 | KTL | this is the first time ever that i found a mg really usefull |
| 20:32.06 | shorty114 | what server? |
| 20:32.37 | KTL | 204.5.65.208 iirc] |
| 20:32.49 | KTL | no |
| 20:33.00 | KTL | 204.56.5.208 |
| 20:33.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzadmin.vcproj: Make bzadmin build properly for Release_pdcurses |
| 20:33.23 | _Manu_ | KTL, hi :) |
| 20:34.23 | _Manu_ | KTL, iirc also silvercat has it (enhanced MG) |
| 20:34.39 | KTL | ah manu :) |
| 20:34.50 | KTL | aw my head |
| 20:34.55 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:34.57 | KTL | i sms't mrsmith :) |
| 20:35.08 | KTL | and i got lagkicked!!! |
| 20:35.16 | _Manu_ | bad |
| 20:35.26 | KTL | just when i was the first on in 5 hours or something whe started to camp with laser! |
| 20:35.33 | KTL | they where falling like flies! |
| 20:35.43 | KTL | i got 30+ more in the last minute! |
| 20:36.04 | _Manu_ | I like to fight at ground.. no super flags :) |
| 20:36.18 | KTL | well, at happypinguin i did it once |
| 20:36.24 | KTL | 1000+ without superflags |
| 20:36.30 | _Manu_ | try it at viper ;-p |
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| 20:36.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 20:36.50 | KTL | well i could not play for a long time because of a huge packet loss |
| 20:37.02 | _Manu_ | true players plays there :) |
| 20:37.08 | KTL | and now for the first time i got back well... and i did this ... to compensate i guess |
| 20:37.26 | _Manu_ | lost packets? weird |
| 20:37.33 | KTL | 5-8% |
| 20:37.42 | KTL | i guess i have to blame my network |
| 20:37.49 | _Manu_ | probably :) |
| 20:37.54 | KTL | aw my head |
| 20:38.02 | KTL | and i did not eat yet today |
| 20:38.10 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:38.19 | _Manu_ | head ache? |
| 20:38.20 | EbErT | man, i can't stand viper. i've tried before. its that little opening in the center everyone tries to get through... |
| 20:38.41 | KTL | is that the map with blue vs red? |
| 20:38.42 | KTL | ctf |
| 20:38.42 | KTL | ? |
| 20:38.46 | _Manu_ | EbErT, you need to wait at secure places at first :) |
| 20:38.50 | EbErT | ya, the castles one |
| 20:38.51 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 20:39.10 | KTL | yes ok but in ctf a high score says a lot less |
| 20:39.19 | KTL | fighting for a team brings your own score down |
| 20:39.24 | EbErT | _manu_: i'm a good player, its just a ridiculous design |
| 20:39.39 | _Manu_ | EbErT, you don't need to go throw the middle gate |
| 20:39.58 | KTL | there is a porter to the right and some plates on the left |
| 20:39.58 | EbErT | ya, i know. |
| 20:40.18 | _Manu_ | when you know the map, you can use lots of tricks |
| 20:40.20 | EbErT | well, I haven't been there in a month or two, maybe it has changed |
| 20:41.00 | _Manu_ | but if you tries going throw the center gate.. sure you'll be killed if no tactic |
| 20:41.55 | KTL | _Manu_, can you tell me which line on that highest score list is certainly not fake? |
| 20:42.11 | _Manu_ | what score? |
| 20:42.13 | KTL | http://stats.bzflag.org/playerstats.php |
| 20:42.40 | _Manu_ | can be true.. |
| 20:42.48 | lan56 | brad2901, I fixed bzadmin-pdcurses for dev-c++ |
| 20:42.52 | _Manu_ | just make a public server full of bots and all flags genocides.. |
| 20:42.53 | lan56 | I'll commit it in a sec |
| 20:43.02 | brad2901 | lan56: great :) |
| 20:43.05 | _Manu_ | it's easy to do |
| 20:43.09 | KTL | because i remember "who" once, who had his sr modified to a huge radius, and then the bots kept spamming, in 20 minutes he had the top of that list |
| 20:43.23 | _Manu_ | but scores are only important against good players ;) |
| 20:43.28 | blast007 | lan56: does bzadmin work for you with 2.1.3? |
| 20:43.43 | lan56 | which version is 2.1.3? |
| 20:43.49 | blast007 | HEAD right now |
| 20:43.55 | _Manu_ | KTL, the list is only for kids ;) |
| 20:43.59 | lan56 | ahh I havent tried yet |
| 20:44.02 | lan56 | I'll try that too |
| 20:44.11 | blast007 | I think it's broken for any build system :( |
| 20:44.19 | blast007 | doesn't work with GCC or VC7.1 |
| 20:47.55 | lan56 | ServerLink.cxx is used by bzadmin yet it uses injectMessages() which is declared in playing.h but defined in playing.cxx |
| 20:48.09 | lan56 | unless ROBOT is defined, it contains nothing |
| 20:48.26 | lan56 | I am wondering as to how bzadmin can use the definition without having playing.cxx in the project |
| 20:48.49 | lan56 | like how does vc++ do it? |
| 20:48.59 | blast007 | it includes playing.h in ServerLink.cxx if BUILDING_BZADMIN is defined |
| 20:49.10 | lan56 | ahh I see |
| 20:54.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/ (Dev-C++/bzadmin-pdcurses.dev src/bzadmin/CursesMenu.cxx): fix bzadmin-pdcurses, it now builds succesfully |
| 20:54.32 | lan56 | done |
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| 20:56.29 | lan56 | yeah 2.1.3 bzadmin doesnt seem to work for me |
| 20:57.26 | blast007 | there was a change (or the start of a change) to make it use less bandwidth...guess it uses a LOT less ;D |
| 20:57.46 | lan56 | Incompatible server version BZFS0026 |
| 20:57.49 | lan56 | is the error I get |
| 20:57.57 | lan56 | I try to connet to silvercat |
| 20:58.11 | blast007 | well, are you using a 2.1.3 client? :P |
| 20:58.14 | brlcad | that's because it's incompatible :) |
| 20:58.25 | blast007 | silvercat is 2.0.x |
| 20:58.29 | brlcad | 2.1 !compatible with 2.0 |
| 20:58.34 | lan56 | ahh I see |
| 20:58.41 | lan56 | I am out of it I guess :) |
| 20:58.48 | JeffM2501 | lan use the v2_0branch |
| 20:58.52 | JeffM2501 | in cvs |
| 20:59.11 | lan56 | ok will do |
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| 21:31.35 | Birdie | thx blas for the bzadmin:) |
| 21:33.29 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:36.33 | silverfox | ~silvercat current map |
| 21:36.34 | ibot | somebody said silvercat current map was babel which started around 12:48 PM PST. You can always find the current map at http://silvercat.bzleague.com/maps/ |
| 21:36.39 | silverfox | meh |
| 21:40.21 | ToughShooter | silverfox: Why doesn't your bot directly message ibot? |
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| 22:02.11 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/config.h: always #define HAVE_SDL |
| 22:04.04 | Ice_Wewe | on whose website do they have a picture of a 'hovy tank'? |
| 22:04.07 | Ice_Wewe | I forget |
| 22:05.05 | JeffM2501 | mine |
| 22:05.22 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: how do you get to it? |
| 22:05.34 | JeffM2501 | its offline right now |
| 22:05.41 | Ice_Wewe | why? |
| 22:05.49 | JeffM2501 | because I chose to take it offline |
| 22:05.52 | JeffM2501 | what did you need it for? |
| 22:07.14 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I was wondering if you had hovytanky in a .obj |
| 22:07.27 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:07.33 | JeffM2501 | I can convert it |
| 22:07.36 | Ice_Wewe | cool |
| 22:07.36 | JeffM2501 | what did you need it for? |
| 22:07.37 | Ice_Wewe | please? |
| 22:07.46 | Ice_Wewe | I want to see how it looks in a map |
| 22:07.53 | Ice_Wewe | like what it actually looks like |
| 22:08.04 | Ice_Wewe | the pictures are nice, but you can't beat the real macoy ;) |
| 22:08.07 | JeffM2501 | the screenshots show what it looks like |
| 22:08.37 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: may I please have a .obj of it? |
| 22:08.38 | JeffM2501 | it is not a bzflag map object |
| 22:08.42 | JeffM2501 | no |
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| 22:11.12 | JeffM2501 | I do not believe your intentions are honorable |
| 22:12.29 | trepan | what if he promises to have her back by midnight? |
| 22:13.56 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:14.00 | JeffM2501 | nope he had his chance |
| 22:14.24 | Ice_Wewe | wait! I wanna try again! ;) |
| 22:14.38 | Ice_Wewe | hehe, 93 000 line map ;) |
| 22:14.45 | JeffM2501 | it's good to want |
| 22:14.52 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't mean you get what you want all the time |
| 22:16.59 | trepan | but if you try sometimes, you might find you get what you need |
| 22:17.19 | BenUrban | that's prbably copyrighted ;) |
| 22:17.26 | Ice_Wewe | hehe |
| 22:20.09 | JeffM2501 | I just don't want Ice_Wewe ever using any artwork I make, ever again |
| 22:20.18 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok |
| 22:20.53 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I'm already half way there to finding out where you've hid it ;) |
| 22:21.06 | JeffM2501 | the web server is offline dumbass |
| 22:22.35 | DTRemenak | Ice_Wewe: regardless of whether you can find it, you need permission to use anything someone else has created. He's denied that permission, you have no right to use any of his stuff. |
| 22:24.29 | Ice_Wewe | DTRemenak: I knew that |
| 22:24.43 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: yes, you've told me several times, I was just saying that I could find out what site it was |
| 22:25.05 | JeffM2501 | the domain name? whopty freaking do |
| 22:25.17 | JeffM2501 | it's the same domain I use for most stuff |
| 22:25.32 | JeffM2501 | ooooo, you must be so smart to search a log |
| 22:25.38 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: oh well, I forgot... |
| 22:25.42 | Ice_Wewe | bbl |
| 22:29.43 | JeffM2501 | how would i add a subnet block to my webserver? |
| 22:30.11 | blast007 | deny from <something> ? |
| 22:30.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:30.25 | JeffM2501 | would it be in apache? |
| 22:30.28 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:30.28 | JeffM2501 | or the firewall? |
| 22:30.32 | JeffM2501 | or what? |
| 22:30.35 | blast007 | well, both would work |
| 22:30.42 | JeffM2501 | how would I do firewall? |
| 22:30.43 | blast007 | you could iptables him out |
| 22:30.57 | blast007 | I think anyway, never used it :) |
| 22:32.44 | blast007 | http://zerofunk.com/how_to_ban_a_user_in_linux.php |
| 22:32.56 | JeffM2501 | ha |
| 22:37.22 | blast007 | also useful: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/secure-server-iptables |
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| 22:40.24 | shorty114 | ookay |
| 22:40.28 | shorty114 | now to try to make that .app |
| 22:43.40 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, in fresh cvs, if i open BZFlag.xcode |
| 22:43.46 | shorty114 | and i hit Build, will it do everything? |
| 22:43.55 | shorty114 | or should i do autogen.sh, configure & make in the CLI? |
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| 22:49.03 | necospes | dan brown is awesome!! |
| 22:49.28 | necospes | anyone here? |
| 22:49.32 | shorty114 | yes |
| 22:50.07 | shorty114 | ok, jeffm: it does compile with bzadmin |
| 22:50.26 | shorty114 | specifically, curses, SDL, bzadmin & bzflag client |
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| 22:56.11 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, it will do all things |
| 22:56.34 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, including fail :) |
| 22:56.43 | JeffM2501 | works for me |
| 22:56.49 | shorty114 | and making fails too |
| 22:57.03 | JeffM2501 | what part fails? |
| 22:57.12 | shorty114 | it says that a function that was used =wasn't declared |
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| 22:57.14 | shorty114 | compiling |
| 22:57.23 | shorty114 | here, i'll get another fresh copy of cvs |
| 22:57.42 | JeffM2501 | you in CVS head or v2_0branch? |
| 22:57.44 | NecoSpes | what language is bzflag programmed with? |
| 22:57.47 | shorty114 | head |
| 22:57.48 | JeffM2501 | C++ |
| 22:57.57 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, head is incompatable |
| 22:58.01 | shorty114 | ahhhhh |
| 22:58.03 | NecoSpes | and graphics api? |
| 22:58.05 | shorty114 | so i should do: |
| 22:58.16 | JeffM2501 | -r v2_0branch |
| 22:58.20 | JeffM2501 | after the co |
| 22:58.23 | JeffM2501 | before the bzflag |
| 22:58.25 | shorty114 | ok |
| 22:58.31 | JeffM2501 | NecoSpes, openGL |
| 22:58.35 | JeffM2501 | the only cross plat one |
| 22:59.25 | NecoSpes | oh...that's odd...on my other computer i tried playing but it didn't work |
| 22:59.32 | NecoSpes | and i installed directx |
| 22:59.37 | NecoSpes | and it worked... |
| 22:59.47 | JeffM2501 | the windows version does use some DirectX |
| 22:59.47 | trepan | directx for sound on windows, iirc |
| 22:59.53 | JeffM2501 | just not for drawing |
| 23:00.01 | JeffM2501 | it needs DX7 or better for sound and input |
| 23:00.03 | shorty114 | why is 2.1 incompatible? is it OS X? |
| 23:00.10 | NecoSpes | oh...no direct3d then... |
| 23:00.19 | blast007 | JeffM2501: but if he wants 2.1.x, should it build properly with XCode? |
| 23:00.29 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, remember how 1.11.x was incompatable with 1.10 |
| 23:00.35 | blast007 | he knows that |
| 23:00.38 | shorty114 | i know |
| 23:00.39 | JeffM2501 | blast007, dono, havne't tried, it may be busted |
| 23:00.43 | shorty114 | i want to play on a HEAD server |
| 23:00.43 | blast007 | k |
| 23:00.48 | shorty114 | ah |
| 23:00.50 | shorty114 | ok |
| 23:00.54 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 gets you NOTHING |
| 23:00.58 | JeffM2501 | so why try to build it |
| 23:01.01 | JeffM2501 | noone is playing on it |
| 23:01.34 | blast007 | well, not noone ;) |
| 23:01.42 | blast007 | he was wanting to connect to my server |
| 23:01.44 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:01.47 | JeffM2501 | well it's under dev |
| 23:01.54 | JeffM2501 | it can be busted left and right |
| 23:01.59 | shorty114 | amen |
| 23:02.05 | shorty114 | i get errors with 2.0.x too |
| 23:02.14 | shorty114 | it's missing Info.plist in build/BZFlag.build |
| 23:02.29 | JeffM2501 | you can get that file from the existing .app |
| 23:02.35 | JeffM2501 | just copy it to the build dir |
| 23:02.37 | shorty114 | k |
| 23:04.12 | shorty114 | do i have to do ./autogen.sh outside of Xcode? |
| 23:04.23 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:04.32 | shorty114 | if i just hit build, it failes |
| 23:04.33 | shorty114 | *fails |
| 23:04.39 | JeffM2501 | and the error is? |
| 23:04.40 | shorty114 | make can't find any targets |
| 23:04.54 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 or 2.0? |
| 23:04.58 | shorty114 | 2.0 |
| 23:05.17 | JeffM2501 | did you change the xcode project at all? |
| 23:05.20 | shorty114 | no |
| 23:05.22 | shorty114 | just hit Build |
| 23:05.39 | JeffM2501 | what does it say under errors and warnings? |
| 23:05.50 | shorty114 | Command /bin/sh failed with exit code 1 |
| 23:05.59 | shorty114 | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. |
| 23:06.10 | JeffM2501 | do a make via command line |
| 23:06.14 | JeffM2501 | see what the error is |
| 23:06.23 | JeffM2501 | all xcode does is run the command line for you |
| 23:06.26 | JeffM2501 | then do more stuff |
| 23:06.30 | shorty114 | $ make |
| 23:06.43 | shorty114 | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 23:06.50 | JeffM2501 | what dir are you in? |
| 23:06.55 | shorty114 | the cvs root |
| 23:07.12 | JeffM2501 | what happens if you autogoen and config? |
| 23:07.26 | shorty114 | running autogen |
| 23:08.55 | shorty114 | ok autogen finsished fine |
| 23:08.59 | shorty114 | configuring now |
| 23:09.01 | JeffM2501 | then configure |
| 23:12.06 | shorty114 | ok configure went without a hitch |
| 23:12.09 | shorty114 | should i build in xchat now? |
| 23:12.11 | shorty114 | *xcode |
| 23:12.36 | shorty114 | ok it's not displaying any error so far |
| 23:13.56 | JeffM2501 | just do a make |
| 23:14.01 | JeffM2501 | see if it geeks |
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| 23:14.12 | shorty114 | ahhh |
| 23:14.17 | shorty114 | well, i hit build in xcode |
| 23:14.21 | shorty114 | and it's running fine |
| 23:14.24 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:14.29 | shorty114 | it's Running 1 of 2 custom shell scripts... |
| 23:14.37 | shorty114 | i assume that's building |
| 23:15.01 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 23:17.01 | shorty114 | sweet |
| 23:17.10 | shorty114 | just hope the sky doesn't come crashing down on my head soon... |
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| 23:39.43 | Guest292 | server list isnt up? |
| 23:39.48 | Guest292 | and global isnt working |
| 23:39.52 | Guest292 | how come? |
| 23:39.56 | brad2901 | ~bzflist |
| 23:40.13 | Guest292 | when will it work? |
| 23:40.18 | brad2901 | when they fix it |
| 23:40.39 | Guest292 | that takes a long time,or are they in the process of doing it now? |
| 23:40.52 | brad2901 | dunno |
| 23:40.56 | Guest292 | hm k |
| 23:46.29 | JeffM2501 | proably just full again |
| 23:49.10 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, it's still going, but got 27 warnings so far |
| 23:50.28 | Guest292 | when will it be able to play there? |
| 23:50.59 | JeffM2501 | when it gets fixed |
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| 23:59.29 | shorty114 | sweet it's done |
