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| 01:49.08 | sc | would some one do me a favor & tell them at gu match server that my cable went out & I can't get on? |
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| 01:57.35 | SC-phone | was anyone able to let them know for me? |
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| 02:15.13 | SportChick | is listservdown? |
| 02:15.36 | RPG_ | i woulnd't say so |
| 02:15.37 | RPG_ | http://my.bzflag.org/db?action=LIST&version=&local=1&callsign=&password=&nameport=&build=&gameinfo=&title=&advertgroups=&checktokens=CallSign0%40127.0.0.1%3D01234567%0D%0ACallSign1%3D89abcdef&groups=Group0%0D%0AGroup1&email= |
| 02:18.42 | SportChick | weird - I can't reconnect to tankwar |
| 02:18.57 | RPG_ | could be the server |
| 02:19.03 | SportChick | will you try? |
| 02:19.14 | SportChick | if you get in, tel them my net went down and I cna't reconnect |
| 02:19.15 | RPG_ | what'd the addrss:port? |
| 02:19.20 | RPG_ | i guess i can find that |
| 02:19.27 | SportChick | it's the gu match server |
| 02:19.50 | SportChick | tankwar.gamesunited.de:5158 |
| 02:20.02 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery tankwar.gamesunited.de:5158 |
| 02:20.06 | RPG_ | i'm lazy ;) |
| 02:20.07 | SportChick | hehe |
| 02:20.10 | SportChick | I was just doing the same thing |
| 02:20.15 | RPG_ | works for ibot |
| 02:20.19 | SportChick | grrr |
| 02:20.22 | SportChick | why can't I get in? |
| 02:20.35 | RPG_ | ISP port block? |
| 02:20.47 | RPG_ | although if they only blocked 5158, that would be pretty strange |
| 02:21.23 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03galkire * 10tools/bzedit/readme: document the devIL library necessity....for us slow people |
| 02:21.33 | SportChick | I'm gonna reboot this cojputer and see if it helps |
| 02:21.38 | RPG_ | maybe |
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| 02:25.06 | Wingnut | I finally got the chance to compile and try the new client,. but am still unable to shoot other players |
| 02:25.25 | RPG_ | Wingnut: OS? |
| 02:25.26 | Wingnut | I'm running client version 2.0.4.20051105-STABLE on x86_64 |
| 02:25.31 | Wingnut | Linux |
| 02:25.38 | RPG_ | there are known problems with the 64bit builds of BZFlag. |
| 02:25.55 | Wingnut | also, the other players are reporting that I randomly glitch on the screen |
| 02:26.03 | RPG_ | It may have been fixed in CVS; however I'm not the person to answer that question |
| 02:26.15 | Wingnut | k |
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| 03:35.16 | Wingnut | not sure what I did, but it works now |
| 03:35.25 | Wingnut | did a make clean, then configure with these flags: |
| 03:35.35 | Wingnut | ./configure --enable-threads --enable-plugins --enable-debug --enable-profil |
| 03:35.37 | Wingnut | ing --enable-sdl |
| 03:36.36 | Wingnut | now I can shoot others |
| 03:46.59 | trepan | Wingnut: i'd be interested in knowing if it failed when you got rid of the --enable-debug part |
| 03:47.15 | Wingnut | trepan: lemme recompile and find out |
| 03:47.29 | trepan | (and --enable-profiling, but i believe that it's removal is automatic wrt debug) |
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| 03:53.06 | Wingnut | I'm getting occassional seg faults for no reason during this compile |
| 03:53.36 | Wingnut | rerunning make doesn't get the same seg fault |
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| 04:00.22 | Wingnut | I take it that --enable-debug sets -O0? |
| 04:02.07 | trepan | yup, iirc |
| 04:02.08 | Wingnut | indeed it does |
| 04:03.56 | trepan | also skips -ffast-math, amongst other things |
| 04:04.45 | trepan | the prob I saw with RPG was that his shot lifetimes were set to 0.0 |
| 04:04.58 | trepan | (when he was testing with x86_64/linux) |
| 04:05.04 | Wingnut | hmm |
| 04:07.04 | Wingnut | I'll look into it more tomorrow |
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| 04:51.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (17 files in 3 dirs): shorten laser |
| 04:51.25 | orange | wow, 17 files to shorten laser? |
| 05:06.06 | BenUrban | timriker knows all |
| 05:06.26 | jpa- | !praise timriker |
| 05:06.30 | BenUrban | heh |
| 05:06.40 | BenUrban | ~praise timriker |
| 05:06.41 | ibot | All hail timriker! |
| 05:06.47 | BenUrban | thought so |
| 05:08.00 | jpa- | :o |
| 05:08.11 | jpa- | BenUrban thinks?!? |
| 05:08.24 | BenUrban | sorry |
| 05:08.25 | BenUrban | it was a fluke |
| 05:08.28 | BenUrban | won't happen again |
| 05:08.46 | jpa- | it better not happen again.. |
| 05:28.40 | mbfg | i smell something burning |
| 05:32.20 | mbfg | McD's apple pie? |
| 05:32.35 | purple_cow | :P |
| 05:43.41 | purple_cow | it's got apples :P |
| 05:43.54 | mbfg | i think they warm them up for you |
| 05:44.35 | purple_cow | hehe |
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| 06:17.36 | silverfox | ~silvercat current map |
| 06:17.39 | ibot | hmm... silvercat current map is babel which started around 8:24 PM PST. You can always find the current map at http://silvercat.bzleague.com/maps/ |
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| 07:43.55 | jomojo | hey is anyone here an my.bzflag.org/bb |
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| 07:55.05 | jomojo | err rather is anyone her a my.bzflag.org/bb admin? |
| 07:55.21 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:56.09 | jomojo | is there anyway to set up more than one account with the same email? |
| 07:56.18 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 07:56.42 | jomojo | i need a few dummy accounts for silvercat |
| 07:56.53 | jomojo | i have seen some set up without emails at all |
| 08:01.21 | DTRemenak | I think you can edit the email field after you register |
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| 08:52.41 | brlcad | how goes it |
| 08:53.00 | Aribeth | good just looking at N scale steam engines |
| 08:53.09 | brlcad | ooh, fun |
| 08:53.28 | Aribeth | im rebuilding my N scale layout |
| 08:53.44 | Aribeth | after being boxed for 8 years |
| 08:54.17 | Aribeth | im looking at a 2-6-6-2 engine |
| 08:55.06 | Aribeth | what kind of steam engine? |
| 08:55.16 | brlcad | ahm, mines' just a small locomotive that runs trackless -- fill'er up with water, some fuel, build up some pressure, and away she goes |
| 08:55.30 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 08:56.12 | brlcad | looks a _lot_ like this, http://www.searchhuts.co.uk/portal/DUgallery2/pictures/steamengine.jpg |
| 08:56.25 | brlcad | but maybe 1/12 size |
| 08:56.40 | brlcad | or more.. dunno, it's about a foot long |
| 08:56.52 | Aribeth | nice |
| 08:57.08 | brlcad | has a steering wheel and all, i just need a remote control ;) |
| 08:57.49 | Aribeth | im also looking at this engine http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6010617236&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 08:59.08 | Aribeth | its an articulated 2-8-8-2 mallet |
| 08:59.17 | brlcad | pretty |
| 09:00.41 | Aribeth | the local hobby shop has a pitiful N scale section |
| 09:02.39 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 09:02.41 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 54°F. |
| 09:04.52 | brlcad | here, we go.. this is more like it http://www.shopping-emporium-uk.com/wilesco-pics/d365-400.jpg |
| 09:05.25 | brlcad | http://www.shopping-emporium-uk.com/steam-engine/index.htm |
| 09:05.41 | brlcad | fun fun .. make great gifts ;) |
| 09:05.53 | Aribeth | ya |
| 09:06.00 | Aribeth | very nice |
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| 09:06.57 | brlcad | heh, nice nick |
| 09:07.05 | Aribeth | hehe |
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| 10:29.46 | _Manu_ | sleep? ;) |
| 10:30.48 | brlcad | what's that? :) |
| 10:31.37 | brlcad | i prefer to get the thread syncronization working instead of injecting artificial 'sleep()' statements in my code ;) |
| 10:47.30 | _Manu_ | second option: deseandola fuertemente ;) |
| 10:48.17 | brlcad | mmmm |
| 10:48.21 | brlcad | jeje |
| 10:48.27 | _Manu_ | :) |
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| 11:22.17 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: ping |
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| 13:11.18 | LePoulpe303 | anyone has the address of rss feed of active server list , please ? |
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| 13:27.05 | LePoulpe303 | oops disconnected ; so anyone has this adress of rss feed for servers list ? |
| 13:32.43 | gsnedders|away | i didn't know there was one :P |
| 13:33.11 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 13:33.28 | LePoulpe303 | there"s one on fortix website http://fortix.bzflag.org/asp.rss |
| 13:33.48 | gsnedders|away | i can find one for the players |
| 13:33.52 | LePoulpe303 | but as the rest of the stats seems to be done i'm not quite sure of the information |
| 13:34.18 | LePoulpe303 | done => down |
| 13:34.25 | gsnedders|away | is that 1.10.x stats? |
| 13:35.13 | LePoulpe303 | dunno |
| 13:35.17 | gsnedders|away | anyhow, i'm off |
| 13:46.40 | LePoulpe303 | Alleluia |
| 13:46.41 | LePoulpe303 | http://db.bzflag.org/rss.php?feed=servers |
| 13:48.12 | LePoulpe303 | hmmm not alleluia at all it's players list :( |
| 14:02.12 | LePoulpe303 | ... --- ... |
| 14:09.05 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: ping |
| 14:18.06 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, timeout....! |
| 14:18.08 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 14:19.06 | Pimpinella | !%$§& |
| 14:19.07 | Guu | Pimpinella: Hoookkkkaaayyy!!?!?! |
| 14:19.26 | Pimpinella | where's a bb admin when you need one |
| 14:21.31 | jpa- | Pimpinella: i ate them |
| 14:21.59 | Pimpinella | your poor stomach |
| 14:22.27 | jpa- | no actually i ate pizza |
| 14:25.59 | LePoulpe303 | a pizza with pieces of admins on it ? hurgl ! |
| 14:29.12 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, working in new groups? |
| 14:29.40 | jpa- | LePoulpe303: i thought it was tunfish.. but i'm not sure, it came in these round boxes |
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| 14:32.35 | LePoulpe303 | jpa-: and some admins smells like tunfish :D |
| 14:32.51 | jpa- | ok.. now you almost made me puke |
| 14:33.46 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 14:36.14 | Pimpinella | _Manu_: hm? |
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| 14:48.19 | TheRedBaron | ndim, ping |
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| 14:52.02 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, bb admins... |
| 15:21.13 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: ping |
| 15:22.16 | SportChick | Pimpinella: ping |
| 15:22.22 | orange | SportChick: ping |
| 15:22.28 | SportChick | orange: pong |
| 15:22.36 | orange | aww, I thought we were playing a game |
| 15:22.40 | SportChick | hehe |
| 15:22.47 | SportChick | we are - get someone to answer! :) |
| 15:23.06 | SportChick | but I messed it up for you - you were trying to get purple_cow to answr you |
| 15:23.08 | SportChick | hehe |
| 15:23.12 | Pimpinella | hi Sporty |
| 15:23.19 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: dub is your server, correct? |
| 15:23.20 | _Manu_ | all: ping ping |
| 15:23.24 | orange | hehe |
| 15:23.26 | Pimpinella | it is |
| 15:23.29 | _Manu_ | all: pong pong |
| 15:23.43 | ToughShooter | Pimpinella: Saw the report I did yesterday? |
| 15:24.06 | Pimpinella | did, and banned |
| 15:24.11 | ToughShooter | ok, tnx |
| 15:24.14 | SportChick | hi pimpi - I saw you had pinged me at work - don't know when that was. ARe we good? |
| 15:25.32 | _Manu_ | SportChick, good morning |
| 15:25.45 | SportChick | manu: good morning to you! |
| 15:26.00 | Pimpinella | i pinged you at work? really? |
| 15:26.02 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 15:26.12 | SportChick | yeah |
| 15:26.20 | SportChick | on my other account - I must not have been on here |
| 15:27.04 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 15:27.28 | Pimpinella | SportChick: are you able to change group membership on bb? |
| 15:27.30 | SportChick | I'm assuming you don't need anything then :) |
| 15:27.44 | SportChick | Pimpinella: for others youmean? no - only on the groups I own |
| 15:28.41 | Pimpinella | hmmm, can i transfer ownership of a group i own to another user? |
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| 15:45.32 | SportChick | Pimpinella: oh, sorry, I dn't know that |
| 15:45.56 | SportChick | you may be able to add someone as another owner and then delete yourslef, but I'd ask Jeffm or dtr |
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| 15:54.15 | gsnedders | Pimpinella: will you have time... :) |
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| 16:03.35 | sussi | hi |
| 16:04.01 | Inferno285 | hello |
| 16:04.16 | sussi | somebody have read this league threat about ME? |
| 16:04.29 | Inferno285 | eh? |
| 16:04.46 | sussi | http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=bzforums&forumid=1&threadid=1183&top=80 |
| 16:05.30 | sussi | there is a pic about mouse settings http://images.unpatented.com/MouseE.jpg |
| 16:06.55 | TheRedBaron | Sussi: what point are you trying to get across? |
| 16:07.01 | Inferno285 | what exactly are you asking?? |
| 16:07.10 | sussi | I dont understand : the pic shows Acceleration -> high but he mentions not to use mouse enhanvement ?? isnt this exactly the nature of ME: to set acceleration to high!! |
| 16:07.18 | sussi | hi TRB |
| 16:07.32 | TheRedBaron | sussi: my point is... and according to db's definition... |
| 16:07.34 | Inferno285 | oh, windows ME. |
| 16:07.41 | TheRedBaron | I'm using the OEM drivers that everyone uses... |
| 16:07.52 | sussi | Im as well |
| 16:07.53 | TheRedBaron | sussi: who manufactored your mouse? |
| 16:08.21 | sussi | i use Logitech MX-300 |
| 16:08.22 | TheRedBaron | whose drivers do you use? |
| 16:09.00 | sussi | i discovered that if i set acc to high i survive a lot bullets without to see a reason |
| 16:09.04 | sussi | Logitech |
| 16:09.20 | TheRedBaron | ah, so how can we know if you don't use it? simply by your word? |
| 16:09.23 | sussi | and for linux Xfree or whatever linux use |
| 16:09.48 | sussi | under winXP i set acceleration to off |
| 16:09.53 | sussi | just my word |
| 16:10.09 | TheRedBaron | over the internet, thats rather shaky you know... |
| 16:10.48 | blast007 | how would it be any less shaky in person? |
| 16:11.23 | TheRedBaron | Sussi: with or without those settings... I can survive. It just takes more work on my thumb. because I have to move it faster and longer. |
| 16:12.13 | TheRedBaron | you tell me? fatigued and disjointed thumb at the end of a match or no? |
| 16:12.16 | sussi | think about the nature of dead recognition : if the client means he lost some traffic it resets the position of the tank ? isnt it so? |
| 16:12.43 | TheRedBaron | true as far as I know |
| 16:12.46 | TheRedBaron | But now you are talking about lag |
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| 16:14.22 | TheRedBaron | try worrying about the ps/2 reports per second option it gives you... |
| 16:14.28 | sussi | i tried to think ahead: what is if the dead recognition is getting in a short time a lot of different inputs? it is thinking -how how here is lag? |
| 16:15.11 | TheRedBaron | You said "lost some some traffic" |
| 16:15.17 | TheRedBaron | thats lag |
| 16:15.19 | TheRedBaron | latency |
| 16:15.22 | sussi | and resetting the position for its tank immediately |
| 16:15.37 | TheRedBaron | but alot of reports in a short time... |
| 16:15.43 | TheRedBaron | that can be done without this phantom ME |
| 16:15.46 | sussi | thats 2 differnt thinks i know |
| 16:16.29 | sussi | thats the point TBR : reset position in this case or not |
| 16:16.29 | TheRedBaron | how fast can you move your mouse? |
| 16:16.39 | TheRedBaron | with or without? |
| 16:16.59 | TheRedBaron | those settings that come with the driver, don't dictate how many reports you send... |
| 16:17.20 | sussi | dunno, all what i know it is 10times faster with accleration to high |
| 16:17.21 | TheRedBaron | they dictate how much you have to move on the desktop, compared to how far/fast your cursor moves on the screen. |
| 16:17.35 | TheRedBaron | accleration is exactly what it is |
| 16:17.53 | TheRedBaron | How far do you have to move your cursor tell you have reached full mouse "speed" |
| 16:18.01 | sussi | :) how it is defenied, so ur asking dont making sense |
| 16:18.23 | TheRedBaron | i'm not asking anything.... |
| 16:18.30 | TheRedBaron | you are the one raising the questions, I'm answering them |
| 16:18.38 | sussi | sorry TBB nothing personell |
| 16:18.51 | sussi | a 3. indication |
| 16:19.22 | TheRedBaron | those are my settings you are inditing... |
| 16:20.15 | TheRedBaron | sussi: if I where you, I'd question the bottom slider in my screenshot |
| 16:20.54 | sussi | if using keyboard (there is an tank called conan from argentinia) he had around 300 ms lag he played well, but i coulnt see the spikes as 1 using so called ME |
| 16:21.38 | TheRedBaron | I know conan |
| 16:21.49 | sussi | TRB: as i saw ur sreenshots i was wondering ths ur setting showing hig acc and u saying no ME |
| 16:22.03 | ToughShooter | the problem is not the mouse steering, it's the limited bandwidth some players have and therefore a too low number of updates per second for all. |
| 16:22.35 | TheRedBaron | Sussi: according to DB's definition of ME, thats not ME |
| 16:23.00 | TheRedBaron | thats no enhancement, thats using the drivers from logitch, the manufactor of my mouse, so that my mouse operates correctly |
| 16:23.09 | TheRedBaron | those are just my personal settings i enjoy my mouse with. |
| 16:23.31 | sussi | but its the only way to get any improvments from the manufactor's driver |
| 16:23.56 | TheRedBaron | sussi no its not |
| 16:24.08 | TheRedBaron | all mice drivers use somethign similar to those |
| 16:24.10 | sussi | logitech adds a button to switch doo the acceleration for games |
| 16:24.14 | TheRedBaron | microsoft drivers... |
| 16:24.30 | TheRedBaron | sussi, so now its a debate of who has better hardware? |
| 16:24.36 | sussi | so in result we all using some kind of ME |
| 16:24.52 | TheRedBaron | probally so |
| 16:24.54 | TheRedBaron | and not just ME |
| 16:24.57 | sussi | yep, in some kind it is |
| 16:25.00 | TheRedBaron | what about those with higher framerate? |
| 16:25.02 | TheRedBaron | bigger screens? |
| 16:25.05 | TheRedBaron | faster comptuers? |
| 16:25.10 | TheRedBaron | better connections? |
| 16:25.13 | TheRedBaron | laggy connections? |
| 16:25.29 | sussi | and sreen settings i use 1600x1200 by 85 HZ (i know why) |
| 16:25.35 | TheRedBaron | !!! |
| 16:25.36 | Guu | TheRedBaron: WTF mate? |
| 16:25.42 | TheRedBaron | I'm stuck with 800X600 |
| 16:25.55 | sussi | Guu: we know about what we talking |
| 16:25.56 | Guu | sussi: Huh? |
| 16:26.28 | sussi | for long range it is a advantage to use higher resolutions |
| 16:26.34 | sussi | but |
| 16:27.54 | sussi | my meaning is that if the client is getting a lot of inputs from diffent directions: it think it lost some traffic and in result occur a position reset |
| 16:28.29 | sussi | thatswhy i selected no acceleration (but high speed) |
| 16:28.34 | sussi | :9 |
| 16:29.00 | TheRedBaron | Sussi: but ME doesn't cause that |
| 16:29.14 | TheRedBaron | I often use "disable acceleration in game" |
| 16:29.32 | devster | is the experimental graphics option really experimental? |
| 16:29.33 | sussi | i think bzflag dosnt count for it |
| 16:29.38 | TheRedBaron | becuase for other first person shooters, I dont' have a steady hand. |
| 16:29.53 | TheRedBaron | But ME still doesnt' cause input overload |
| 16:30.04 | TheRedBaron | The hand moving the mouse causes Input overload |
| 16:30.14 | sussi | it is stable just another word for advanced |
| 16:30.48 | sussi | input overload is a good defenition for that |
| 16:31.14 | devster | sussi: that for me ? |
| 16:31.32 | sussi | devster: it is stable just another word for advanced |
| 16:31.44 | devster | well i keep gettin huge graphical glitches |
| 16:32.06 | TheRedBaron | Sussi: this "ME" only helps the hand move the mouse |
| 16:32.09 | devster | eg, guide missile rings randomy appear bug cover the whole map |
| 16:32.16 | TheRedBaron | so you don't get fatigued quickly |
| 16:32.18 | sussi | do u agree ME causes input overloads? |
| 16:34.12 | TheRedBaron | nope |
| 16:34.24 | TheRedBaron | because you can acheive overload with and without ME |
| 16:34.32 | TheRedBaron | just requires more work. |
| 16:34.41 | TheRedBaron | because you have to move your hand more, and faster |
| 16:35.45 | sussi | but ... with acceleration it is 10 times easier to reach a overload status, which results in a position reset?! |
| 16:36.09 | TheRedBaron | simply because its easier doesn't mean it causes it. |
| 16:36.52 | Chestal | hi ppl. I have no idea what you mean by 'overload' and this 'position reset' |
| 16:37.27 | sussi | hi chess |
| 16:37.36 | Chestal | you first have to understand how the dead reckoning works, it's pretty simple actually. Taking network characteristics intoaccount makes it complicated, though |
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| 16:38.27 | Chestal | the problem is that there is no real analysis of the situation. Just subjective observations |
| 16:38.36 | sussi | what do DR if some network pacels are lost? |
| 16:38.48 | Chestal | lost packets are the exception |
| 16:38.58 | Chestal | it should _not_ happen 99% of the time |
| 16:39.21 | sussi | clearly, has the DR a solution for this situation? |
| 16:39.45 | sussi | or what happens if it occur? |
| 16:39.51 | Chestal | well, thr DR will jsut extrapolate normally until the next packet arrives |
| 16:40.33 | Chestal | the lost information might cause a discontinous path then, would be observed by a little jump |
| 16:40.56 | sussi | could it move the tank faster than usual |
| 16:41.00 | Chestal | jitter can also cause this and happens much more frequently |
| 16:41.10 | Chestal | as can the throttling to max. 30 packets/s |
| 16:41.24 | Chestal | faster as observed by who? |
| 16:42.30 | Chestal | because the client does its ownkill detection,one could say that the local position is the "real" one |
| 16:42.35 | sussi | yep, but what happens if reciving frequently opposit inputs from different direction? |
| 16:42.42 | Chestal | and this real positon is not affected by any network effects at all |
| 16:43.40 | sussi | for its own position! |
| 16:44.20 | Chestal | all this only changes the accuracy of how you perceive other tanks |
| 16:44.59 | Chestal | the current DR does not try to compensate any jitter anymore, so its really very simple |
| 16:45.05 | sussi | if the opponent send a lot of different signals |
| 16:45.18 | Chestal | when a player update packet is received,tank is set to the exact coordinates |
| 16:45.24 | orange | hmm, perception is everything, from the remote end |
| 16:45.38 | orange | if perception is inaccurate, that's bad :-) |
| 16:45.43 | Chestal | then until next packet arrives, DR extrapolates position based on this known last position and linear / angular speed |
| 16:45.59 | Chestal | orange: yes, but it doesn't make tanks any faster or something like that |
| 16:46.02 | sussi | perception =DR ? |
| 16:46.07 | orange | Chestal: no |
| 16:46.08 | Chestal | DR = dead reckoning |
| 16:46.29 | orange | my point is that it doesn't matter what the accuracy of the hit detection is if someone perceives your tank to be somewhere it isn't |
| 16:47.00 | TheRedBaron | And as I've said, Its the "lag" thats the culprit not ME. |
| 16:47.12 | Chestal | the question is: where is the tank? There's no objective answer to that |
| 16:47.21 | Chestal | at least not for some virtual global time |
| 16:47.38 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: ME supposedly causes DR to freak out a bit, and cause jitter |
| 16:47.47 | blast007 | I myself have not seen someone with ME yet though |
| 16:47.53 | Chestal | but as long as lag is constant, the tank's path will be reconstructed accurately on the remote side |
| 16:48.09 | sussi | my meaning is that high acceleration setting of mouse cause some kind of jitter, what in result prevent to see the beginning of movement changes |
| 16:48.38 | sussi | TRB : yep |
| 16:49.10 | TheRedBaron | blast007, who do you suspect of it though? |
| 16:49.25 | blast007 | suspect? |
| 16:49.30 | TheRedBaron | sussi: if you are worried about jitter caused by lots of packets... |
| 16:49.39 | sussi | ..say |
| 16:49.48 | TheRedBaron | then look at the ps2/report rate |
| 16:50.01 | TheRedBaron | you can send a max of 200 reports a second... |
| 16:50.04 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: I rarely play the game, and when I do, it's typically on jumping FFA servers |
| 16:50.17 | TheRedBaron | ~bonk blast007 |
| 16:50.19 | ibot | ACTION bonks blast007 over the head |
| 16:50.28 | TheRedBaron | sinner. Play more! its good for you :) |
| 16:50.34 | blast007 | too busy |
| 16:50.38 | blast007 | plus Halo is coolet |
| 16:50.40 | blast007 | cooler* |
| 16:50.51 | Chestal | with standard settings, the client will send no more than one update packet every 1/30s |
| 16:51.02 | Chestal | which in itself causes some loss in accuracy of course |
| 16:51.45 | sussi | u can try to play with and without acceleration on mouse, you will clearly see a different result in surviving rate |
| 16:51.46 | Chestal | the max error is max tank speed * 1.5 * 1/30s |
| 16:52.16 | TheRedBaron | sussi: its all about reaction time. |
| 16:52.32 | TheRedBaron | You react faster with the acceleration, simply because your body doesn't have to move as much |
| 16:52.50 | Inferno285 | sussi, it's called a keyboard :) |
| 16:53.02 | Chestal | which is 1.25m as compared to 4.32 for tankRadius |
| 16:53.03 | sussi | i dont think so, cause with pure speed set to high u wont have any delays |
| 16:53.05 | TheRedBaron | you body speed, is multiplied |
| 16:53.12 | TheRedBaron | delays where? |
| 16:53.34 | sussi | from hand to the client |
| 16:53.51 | TheRedBaron | utopia! |
| 16:53.51 | sussi | i tried both settings, it was impressive |
| 16:54.08 | TheRedBaron | sussi: same here |
| 16:54.30 | TheRedBaron | Accerleration dicates, how quickly your cursor moves to the speed that your slider has set |
| 16:54.33 | sussi | not eye to the hand via the brain wich cause often big lag |
| 16:54.34 | sussi | ;)) |
| 16:55.37 | sussi | my guess it causes some kind of jitter |
| 16:55.42 | TheRedBaron | yes, but that lag can be overcome. |
| 16:55.56 | TheRedBaron | but its a guess, pure speculation. |
| 16:56.19 | TheRedBaron | blast007: bah you! :) |
| 16:56.50 | sussi | right: http://bzflag.org/wiki/BzflagAndLag dosent say to much of the effect of ME |
| 16:57.18 | TheRedBaron | perhaps because it doesn't? |
| 16:58.19 | sussi | u could do some kind of experiment drive first with than without, i'm sure in 2. case you will get some coments |
| 16:58.31 | TheRedBaron | We did that. |
| 16:58.59 | sussi | what is your result? |
| 16:59.22 | TheRedBaron | ask chestal: i didn't have the reader |
| 16:59.28 | TheRedBaron | Nor did mikk |
| 16:59.43 | TheRedBaron | he just sent us the logger that produced a .txt file |
| 17:00.08 | Chestal | heh, you can have the code if you want :-) |
| 17:00.42 | sussi | put into the client |
| 17:00.55 | Chestal | the results weren't really that interesting though. Main objective was to check whether there might be an error in hit detection, and there most probably isn't |
| 17:01.23 | Chestal | the analysis tool might be more useful if it would allow to somehow synch logs from two different clients |
| 17:01.29 | sussi | under using of high acceleration |
| 17:02.46 | sussi | that means even using highly accelerated mouse dosent affect the hit detection? |
| 17:03.17 | Chestal | not as observed from target |
| 17:03.58 | sussi | ahh, thats mean the problem is that u can not see opponents movements ? |
| 17:04.59 | Chestal | there are two parts: small patch to bzflag which simply writes tank/shot coordinates to a file, then a tool to visualize it |
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| 17:05.20 | Chestal | if you create logs from two different tanks, you can then compare their subjective world views |
| 17:06.05 | sussi | of course |
| 17:06.16 | Chestal | the visualizier does only display a single log, though, so you must run it once for each log, set the time to some "interesting" situation in both and then compare |
| 17:06.33 | Chestal | this could be enhanced to compare it more directly |
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| 17:08.26 | sussi | my point is that i cant belive that my reaction is better if i use mouse-acceleration (in both cases at highest mouse speed sttings) |
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| 17:12.11 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 17:12.33 | Chestal | sussi: that is why hard data is needed, it's not easy to produce, or let's say, not easy to interpret it correctly, though |
| 17:12.54 | orange | TimRiker: feel up to a silly bot question? |
| 17:13.19 | orange | it isn't important, just confusing :-) |
| 17:16.58 | TheRedBaron | sussi: for me, i dont' see a difference in the 2 settings, with bzflag |
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| 17:18.45 | TheRedBaron | with other FPS i do. I've just left those settings on ever since i've had the mouse, and when I first got it from transitioning, I noticed trackball is very slow comparitively. |
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| 17:27.49 | sussi | i see a difference, but i dont see a logical reason for it |
| 17:29.06 | sussi | or better : i feel a difference |
| 17:29.40 | CBG | In what, now? |
| 17:30.31 | sussi | we speaking about using the driver build in mouse feature: acceleration |
| 17:30.40 | TheRedBaron | ah, so we have a conflict of user input? |
| 17:30.53 | sussi | to fell/see a difference and why |
| 17:31.18 | CBG | Is this the new thing to (supposedly) stop M.E. ? |
| 17:31.22 | sussi | i think we have different meaning not a conflict |
| 17:32.19 | sussi | if u want u can try both settings no acc and full acc, both under full mouse speed |
| 17:32.42 | sussi | report if u feel u or ur opponents a different |
| 17:33.20 | TheRedBaron | sussi: i dont' feel differences |
| 17:33.47 | sussi | and ur opponent in dub? |
| 17:33.49 | TheRedBaron | and quite often accl is changed, simply because it has to be for other FPS games to remain playable, such as Halo, BF 1942, America's army. etc |
| 17:34.15 | TheRedBaron | They don't tell me they see a difference. |
| 17:35.20 | sussi | mouse sesitivness relays to FPS , if slow frame rates apply |
| 17:36.03 | TheRedBaron | hmm so why dont' be blame the graphic card? |
| 17:36.47 | sussi | i wont blame anyone, i looking for a reason |
| 17:37.35 | TheRedBaron | now thats commendable |
| 17:38.05 | TheRedBaron | Find a reason, or an explination if it exist, but don't blame people of being unfair, taking advantages, or "cheating" |
| 17:38.41 | sussi | yep it wasnt fine i know |
| 17:39.23 | sussi | se ur later all, dub is calling |
| 17:54.18 | TimRiker | orange_away: don't ask to ask. just ask. |
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| 18:41.08 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella: pong |
| 18:45.55 | orange | but bot questions are so silly they are sometimes shunned... one never knows precisely which etiquette is best to follow so as to be the best citizen |
| 18:46.17 | orange | in any event |
| 18:46.27 | orange | ~literal chase |
| 18:46.29 | ibot | "chase" is "<action>runs after $who, and staples them to the ground" |
| 18:46.30 | orange | ~literal salt |
| 18:46.32 | ibot | "salt" is "<action>holds $who down on the ground and pours salt into a fresh open wound" |
| 18:46.34 | orange | ~chase test |
| 18:46.36 | ibot | ACTION chases test |
| 18:46.38 | orange | ~salt test |
| 18:50.38 | orange | n/sendhelp #10 tectf |
| 18:50.52 | orange | lol |
| 18:51.25 | Aribeth | ahh the n syndrome :) |
| 18:51.31 | orange | actually |
| 18:51.33 | orange | ~ww |
| 18:51.34 | ibot | Mmmm.. Modalities. |
| 18:51.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 19:48.22 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: np, Jeff alredy fixed it |
| 19:48.36 | DTRemenak | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 19:51.20 | Tupone | http://i.iinfo.cz/urs-att/vim-112383453667211.gif |
| 19:55.27 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 19:55.34 | Tupone | :) |
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| 20:00.53 | trepan | i am Xroads vengeance: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/trackgm.jpg (requested by orange) |
| 20:05.34 | orange | whee! :-) |
| 20:05.45 | orange | ~trepan++ |
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| 20:50.01 | trepan | orange: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/trackgm2.jpg (added some eyePoint offset) |
| 20:50.27 | orange | ooh, pretty :-) |
| 20:50.58 | SportyGal | oooo |
| 20:50.59 | Aribeth | :) |
| 20:51.13 | SportyGal | HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LONGHAIR!!!! |
| 20:51.26 | Birdie | you have a nice ground trepan |
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| 20:52.11 | trepan | Birdie: it's the default at silvercat (downloaded) |
| 20:53.05 | Birdie | really?? |
| 20:53.08 | Birdie | hmm |
| 20:53.13 | orange | at certain quality levels, right? |
| 20:53.27 | trepan | na, any qual with textures, iirc |
| 20:55.07 | orange | well, I guess low implies no textures |
| 20:56.10 | trepan | heh, low = junk |
| 20:57.13 | SportyGal | ~bzfquery dub.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 20:58.12 | orange | energy saver locks me at 24fps... is that adjustable? |
| 20:58.39 | trepan | yup |
| 20:59.00 | orange | use the source? :-) |
| 20:59.07 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.37 | orange | thanks :-) |
| 21:00.04 | orange | mine comes to exactly half of what I set |
| 21:02.37 | trepan | that's messed up |
| 21:07.12 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 21:09.03 | Grumbler | what other library am i missing |
| 21:26.03 | Aribeth | your local branch library perhaps :P |
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| 22:03.30 | gsnedders | I'm having problems building 2.0.5... |
| 22:03.31 | gsnedders | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/28292 |
| 22:03.41 | gsnedders | OS X/GCC4.0 |
| 22:05.37 | blast007 | you need OpenSSL is seems |
| 22:05.45 | blast007 | your curl was built with it |
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| 22:15.15 | gsnedders | should i have to reconfigure Bzflag? |
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| 22:26.00 | TD-Linux | I just compiled bzedit, and it is awesome! :) |
| 22:29.59 | TD-Linux | zooming is too slow, but I can fix that :) |
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| 22:37.35 | TD-Linux | yikes.. is that multithreads, I see? |
| 22:38.25 | RPG_ | multithreads? |
| 22:38.27 | RPG_ | way to go Jeff! |
| 22:39.46 | TD-Linux | I think it might have to do with me compiling in Debug mode, sorry :) |
| 22:43.37 | TD-Linux | strangely, I can compile in debug mode, but not in release mode :P |
| 22:43.49 | TD-Linux | in release mode, it can't find a single file |
| 22:44.12 | RPG_ | probably because debug and release are 2 different config modes |
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| 22:48.30 | SportyGal | learner: ping |
| 22:48.37 | SportyGal | or dtremenak: ping |
| 22:49.26 | DTRemenak | pong |
| 22:50.24 | DTRemenak | SportyGal:... |
| 22:50.37 | SportyGal | DTRemenak: look at your pms |
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| 22:51.00 | DTRemenak | I don't have any |
| 22:51.08 | SportyGal | hrm |
| 22:51.12 | SportyGal | I just sent you two |
| 22:51.14 | SportyGal | oh well |
| 22:51.16 | DTRemenak | you are registered and identified? |
| 22:51.17 | SportyGal | ok, I'll ask here |
| 22:51.18 | SportyGal | yes |
| 22:51.21 | DTRemenak | huh |
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| 22:53.18 | SportyGal | got tim: ping |
| 22:53.21 | SportyGal | grrr |
| 22:53.23 | SportyGal | TimRiker: ping |
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| 23:05.58 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 23:15.40 | *** join/#bzflag cody6375 (n=44380596@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:16.40 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 23:16.45 | *** join/#bzflag retro (n=ken@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 23:17.32 | cody6375 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.02 | cody6375 | could someone help me? |
| 23:19.47 | cody6375 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.31 | blast007 | cody6375: is your port 5154 opened and forwarded to your computer? |
| 23:29.50 | *** join/#bzflag retro (n=ken@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 23:31.04 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 23:31.07 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 20°F. |
| 23:31.21 | Aribeth | O.o |
| 23:31.34 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 23:31.37 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 20°F. |
| 23:31.46 | Aribeth | that can't be right |
| 23:32.48 | Aribeth | guu is 30 degrees off |
| 23:33.01 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 23:33.04 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 20°F. |
| 23:33.18 | Aribeth | guu your wrong |
| 23:33.19 | Guu | Aribeth: Hoookkkkaaayyy!!?!?! |
| 23:34.38 | Aribeth | cool |
| 23:35.15 | retro | I bought an Asus MB 3 years ago, figuring I'd get a quality board. Unfortunately, 4 of the caps started leaking. :( |
| 23:35.31 | Aribeth | eek |
| 23:35.57 | retro | I got a replacement free under warranty, but it appears that one of the PCI slots is bad. I don't care, I'm only using two of the slots. but it took me a while to figure that out. |
| 23:36.11 | Aribeth | wow |
| 23:36.18 | Aribeth | i'd complain |
| 23:36.38 | retro | This board should last me till my athlon 2000xp is truly obsolete, and then I'll get an Athlon FX64 or something like that. :) |
| 23:36.53 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 23:37.09 | Aribeth | i have a P4P800 |
| 23:37.15 | Aribeth | deluxe |
| 23:37.24 | retro | It's not worth my time to complain. Besides, I have the same MB at home, which also has leaking caps, and Ihave to go through the warranty replacement procedure with that one next. |
| 23:37.36 | Aribeth | with a 3.2 P4 |
| 23:37.53 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 23:38.10 | Aribeth | how did you determin it had leaky caps |
| 23:39.41 | ndim | well... when stability is getting flaky and you look inside, you should look at the caps. |
| 23:40.04 | Aribeth | prolly poor quality caps |
| 23:40.58 | retro | Well, when the computer crashed, and had trouble coming back up through the BIOS, the BIOS dropped my CPU speed, and dropped me in config with a big warning. That's when I looked at the board and saw the ugly crud on the caps |
| 23:41.29 | retro | I heard a rumor that through industrial espionage, some cap manufacturer got the secret recipe to some other manufacturers caps |
| 23:41.31 | Aribeth | the filter caps? |
| 23:41.45 | retro | but they didn't get the full recipe. In particular, they didn't get the part that makes the electrolyte stable. |
| 23:42.02 | Aribeth | ahh i was just about to say that |
| 23:42.06 | retro | Yeah, 4 somewhat large filter caps on the MB near the CPU |
| 23:42.14 | Aribeth | use of sub-standard parts |
| 23:42.31 | retro | The replacement board I got has a different brand of caps in those 4 locations. :) |
| 23:42.36 | Aribeth | easy fix for |
| 23:42.47 | Aribeth | er easily fixed |
| 23:42.54 | retro | If it was out of warranty, I'd fix it myself. |
| 23:43.41 | retro | Oh well, back to cleaning out all the garbage on my hard drive. It seems to be a system maintainence day. So much for real work. :( |
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| 23:48.34 | cody6375 | ~bzfquery ozsoft.biz:5154 |
| 23:49.33 | blast007 | cody6375: make sure that port is setup properly on your router |
| 23:50.19 | cody6375 | I did that already and it seems to be fine |
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| 23:50.49 | blast007 | cody6375: my nmap seems to disagree |
| 23:50.55 | blast007 | shows up a filtered, not open |
| 23:50.58 | blast007 | as* |
| 23:50.59 | cody6375 | could it be the type of router? |
| 23:51.25 | cody6375 | could it be a firewall? |
| 23:51.34 | blast007 | a firewall on the computer could block it, yes |
| 23:53.06 | cody6375 | the router is set up right |
| 23:53.49 | blast007 | verify the IP in the router matches the ip of the server |
| 23:54.23 | blast007 | also check if you can connect by typing in the loca IP of the server |
| 23:54.32 | blast007 | s/loca/local/ |
| 23:54.50 | cody6375 | now you lost me? |
| 23:55.11 | cody6375 | the ip is the same |
| 23:55.13 | Inferno285 | is that an regexp? |
| 23:55.17 | blast007 | Inferno285: yeah |
| 23:55.59 | cody6375 | do you use etherreal?? |
| 23:56.20 | blast007 | cody6375: not on here, but on other computers |
| 23:56.28 | cody6375 | okay |
| 23:56.39 | Aribeth | heh |
| 23:57.24 | cody6375 | what kind of router do you have ? |
| 23:57.31 | blast007 | before you try fixing the router, can you connect to your server by using a bzflag client, and typing in the IP of your server? |
| 23:58.33 | blast007 | two of them, actually :) |
| 23:59.30 | cody6375 | the pc I'm on is my server for bzflag |
| 23:59.47 | blast007 | so try connecting to it, to make sure it is running properly |
