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| 00:00.15 | DTRemenak_lap | JeffM2501: in other words, I'll have it installed before you do, even though I'm not going to start for another hour? :) |
| 00:00.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:00.34 | JeffM2501 | basicly |
| 00:00.41 | JeffM2501 | I won't have it done till tomorow |
| 00:00.42 | DTRemenak_lap | local servers are nice |
| 00:00.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:00.48 | JeffM2501 | we can't find the CD |
| 00:00.53 | DTRemenak_lap | ah, that sucks |
| 00:01.07 | JeffM2501 | it's new |
| 00:01.10 | JeffM2501 | we may not have goten it yet |
| 00:01.18 | JeffM2501 | probalby hit with november MSDN |
| 00:01.25 | conanhome | silverfox: this message: Error connecting to server |
| 00:01.30 | conanhome | silverfox: no more |
| 00:01.39 | JeffM2501 | even when it finishes, I won't be here |
| 00:01.42 | DTRemenak_lap | I haven't checked to see if I can get it yet either, actually |
| 00:01.42 | JeffM2501 | so it'll be all you :) |
| 00:01.59 | JeffM2501 | looks like we'll be needing a VC8 dir tho |
| 00:02.09 | JeffM2501 | side by side may be hard |
| 00:02.14 | JeffM2501 | since they use the same projects |
| 00:02.20 | DTRemenak_lap | ah, ok |
| 00:02.44 | JeffM2501 | at the best you'll have to pick one for a default for sln, and the other in a right click |
| 00:03.18 | JeffM2501 | I do know that a number of compiler options were removed too |
| 00:03.26 | JeffM2501 | so we won't be able to backdate |
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| 00:17.51 | trepan | silverfox: have a fix for bzadmin, and made it recognize "/sleep 1.2" commands |
| 00:18.12 | trepan | that latter is a poor way to get around the auth. holdoff |
| 00:18.29 | trepan | (but could be useful for something else) |
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| 00:29.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (BZAdminClient.cxx bzadmin.cxx): fix segv wrt ipinfo, add the "/sleep <float>" cmd line arg style |
| 00:36.07 | silverfox | trepan, `bzadmin && sleep 20 && kill $!` seems to do the trick. |
| 00:36.12 | silverfox | kind of hokey, but... |
| 00:36.44 | brlcad | bzadmin sleep hacks for fast communication issues? |
| 00:37.22 | trepan | brlcad: wanted to have it anyways |
| 00:37.47 | trepan | holdoff wasn't doing what I thought it was, but it could still be useful |
| 00:38.41 | brlcad | i did't mean what you added |
| 00:38.53 | silverfox | brlcad, patches welcome. ;) |
| 00:39.22 | brlcad | i mean that it's issues related to the fast communication where you want to sleep to effectively throttle messages you send |
| 00:39.33 | trepan | silverfox: that last commit should fix you 2.0.x segvs |
| 00:39.38 | silverfox | yes. |
| 00:39.58 | brlcad | the misc/serverstats.sh script does a sleep external to bzadmin for that same reason when it's querying the server type |
| 00:40.01 | silverfox | If I don't do the sleep, and instead do a "/quit" on the bzadmin line, it results in a segfault. |
| 00:40.17 | brlcad | heh, exact same reason :) |
| 00:40.43 | brlcad | that's been an issue since bzadmin has existed |
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| 00:41.13 | brlcad | yeah, i see |
| 00:41.35 | brlcad | iirc, there was a whole class of actions that could cause crashes |
| 00:41.46 | brlcad | similar reasons, but not the same |
| 00:42.13 | brlcad | anyhow, cool to see someone fix that :) |
| 00:42.23 | brlcad | the shell script hack was annoying :) |
| 00:43.08 | brlcad | i remember getting the sleep to occur mid-stdin stream input was tricky to get right |
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| 00:45.13 | bz9013 | how do i use plugins |
| 00:45.25 | brlcad | silverfox: you might want to check out the misc/serverstats.sh script regardless if you want an example of an effective means to stream commands to bzadmin via a pipe and process bzadmin output |
| 00:45.48 | bz9013 | any help? |
| 00:45.54 | brlcad | in what should be a posix-compliant manner |
| 00:47.05 | bz9013 | any help on how i use a plugin? |
| 00:47.23 | bz9013 | plz |
| 00:47.37 | brlcad | can you be a little more specific |
| 00:47.46 | bz9013 | just how do i include them using a config file |
| 00:48.00 | bz9013 | i know which one just how do i include it |
| 00:48.32 | bz9013 | like '-plugin [name]' ?? |
| 00:48.39 | trepan | -loadplugin <pluginname,commandline> |
| 00:48.48 | bz9013 | command line is what |
| 00:48.57 | DTRemenak_lap | depends on the plugin |
| 00:49.06 | bz9013 | oh i get ya |
| 00:49.45 | bz9013 | ty g2g for now |
| 00:49.47 | brlcad | man bzfs has details |
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| 00:50.33 | brlcad | authors welcome? |
| 00:51.43 | trepan | "asshats need to learn to find the right docs and read them" |
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| 01:11.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 3 dirs): let images pass back real bpp so the image binder can support 1 and 2 bit textures |
| 01:17.23 | I_Died_Once | trepan said "asshat" |
| 01:29.00 | Aribeth | yep he did indeed |
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| 01:42.53 | SilentSwan | ok... how does one flip the default axis in wings3d so the 'Z' is vertical? |
| 01:43.32 | SilentSwan | anyone? Buehler? Buehler? Buehler? |
| 01:45.26 | SilentSwan | well, if anyone knows, please msg me with it... i need to step away for a bit.. thanks :) |
| 01:46.26 | uso | is there any know problem with the dub:59997 server? |
| 01:47.04 | uso | *known |
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| 02:10.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/ (worldDrawing.cpp worldRender.cpp): more UVs |
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| 02:16.03 | SportChick | hrm - this is interesting - seems to put the ME discussion in a new perspective for me http://bzflag.org/wiki/BzflagAndLag |
| 02:18.10 | conanhome | SportChick: what is exactly a mouse enhancement? i've been reading a lot of complains that mention it, but nowhere i find what is exactly. It seems to be something that permits accelerated moves with mouse, is it? |
| 02:22.28 | SportChick | conan, i suggest you read back over old logs of this channel - it is discussed extensively |
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| 02:23.21 | SilentSwan | hmm... well, i'm missing something... |
| 02:23.39 | SilentSwan | besides my sanity |
| 02:25.47 | SilentSwan | woohoo! |
| 02:26.08 | BenUrban | ~spank SilentSwan |
| 02:26.14 | BenUrban | ... |
| 02:26.18 | SilentSwan | woohoo!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:26.24 | SilentSwan | er.. i mean... waaaah! |
| 02:26.27 | BenUrban | id that help? |
| 02:26.28 | BenUrban | *did |
| 02:26.32 | SilentSwan | yeah :) |
| 02:26.36 | BenUrban | wtf |
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| 02:31.50 | vittorio | hi, how or whre can i register for gamesunited ? |
| 02:32.29 | vittorio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.48 | blast007 | vittorio: if it uses global registration, register at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 02:38.19 | conanhome | SportChick: ugh! its pin in the to try to find something on an irc log |
| 02:38.30 | conanhome | SportChick: but don't worry, i find my way |
| 02:41.03 | vittorio | blast007, ok thanks, trying .. |
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| 03:27.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: |
| 03:27.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: update from cad: bogus autom4te.cache protection. handle corrupted/invalid |
| 03:27.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: cache dirs that will cause aclocal to fail. handle out-of-date cache dirs that |
| 03:27.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: autoconf 'should' recognize and but obviously doesn't for at least most current |
| 03:27.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: versions of autoconf resulting in an unnecessary failure. cache files shouldn't |
| 03:27.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: halt tools, especially when your own tools cause the invalid contents. stupid |
| 03:27.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: lame gnu build system tools. |
| 03:51.58 | silverfox | wow. I didn't realize that you could do more than one line descriptions for your CVS commits. |
| 03:52.01 | silverfox | ;) |
| 03:52.35 | JeffM2501 | you can write an epic novel |
| 03:52.55 | DTRemenak | brlcad does sometimes |
| 03:53.00 | DTRemenak | aw, and he types faster than me too |
| 03:53.11 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 04:04.10 | uso | could it be that for a keyboard player only the angular acceleration is limited (to make it easier to aim) but the linear acceleration is unlimited? |
| 04:04.47 | brlcad | uso: it's something like that |
| 04:05.07 | brlcad | not exactly "unlimited", but it is nearly instant to full-speed |
| 04:05.35 | uso | so they can change linear speed to max with one key pressing |
| 04:05.55 | uso | and to max reverse speed with the next? |
| 04:06.05 | brlcad | yes |
| 04:06.23 | uso | nice to know :) |
| 04:08.15 | uso | so keyboard players all the time had what mouse players are now able to configure with a very small mouse box or higher mouse sensitivities ;) |
| 04:08.19 | brlcad | the "catch" is that is limited by finger reflex and key event rates too, which combined are usually much slower than even similar "instant" acceleration you can obtain via an overaccelerated mouse and a nil mouse box |
| 04:09.00 | brlcad | so no, it's not quite the same at all |
| 04:09.11 | uso | yes, both is limited by the abilities of the player |
| 04:09.15 | brlcad | you only have to try playing with the keys for a while to realize it ;) |
| 04:09.31 | brlcad | it's not just ability |
| 04:09.47 | uso | i do not say that mouse players have an advantage |
| 04:10.09 | uso | aehh, keyboard players i meant :) |
| 04:10.42 | brlcad | mouse players 'can' obtain an advantage that keyboarders cannot obtain no matter how they configure the box without programming fake events into the client |
| 04:10.58 | uso | the only advantage i see for keyboard players is that they can immediatly center so they can easily jump straight forward or back |
| 04:11.28 | brlcad | default settings on most default systems, though, make it a fairly fair game between the keyboarders and mice players with the same level of experience on that input device |
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| 04:12.06 | uso | yes, my teamleader is a keyboard player ... and better than me :) |
| 04:12.08 | brlcad | that advantage is also a limitation |
| 04:12.38 | brlcad | keyboarders can't control that acceleration, so in particular to jumping maps, their trajectory is constant |
| 04:12.48 | uso | yes, with mouse you have the advantage to drive and jump with intermediate values |
| 04:12.59 | brlcad | making some places unattainable even |
| 04:13.20 | uso | like the cake at viper |
| 04:13.32 | uso | maybe hard to jump to it with keyboard |
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| 04:13.40 | DTRemenak | come to the dark side, use your mouse :) |
| 04:13.47 | brlcad | your teamleader's abilities are unlikely not in the least related to the fact they use a keyboard ;) |
| 04:14.06 | uso | but also with extreme mouse settings |
| 04:14.10 | uso | brlcad: lol |
| 04:15.49 | brlcad | several really good players have used the keyboard exclusively over the years, it's not the input device for them I'd say, it's just practice, strategy, and technique |
| 04:16.45 | uso | i know, everybody should use what best fits it's need |
| 04:17.00 | uso | any input device needs practice |
| 04:17.59 | uso | also the mouse settings are a tradeoff between the possibility of fast reaction and good aiming/jumping |
| 04:18.09 | brlcad | also doesn't mean that the ME advantage isn't real, it is |
| 04:19.40 | trepan | as well as its disadvantage |
| 04:20.02 | uso | even if you can change the speed just as fast with the keyboard? |
| 04:21.02 | uso | i know where the disadvantages are, i've tried it and found it too hard to control for me ;) |
| 04:21.08 | brlcad | i just said earlier, you can't ultimately if only the difference between pressing pressing two fingers repeatedly in alteration and twitching a wrist back and forth |
| 04:21.19 | uso | couldn't jump and aim anymore ... |
| 04:22.07 | brlcad | yeah, but that's only from limited practice with the controls set high -- the advantage comes from similar-experienced players |
| 04:23.21 | uso | yes, but from zero to max you are with one key |
| 04:23.39 | uso | reverse needs to change to another button, ok |
| 04:23.42 | brlcad | you can and usually will adjust, and regardless of whether you can you don't need to since you can twitch yourself into what I'd call tricking remote clients that they missed when they should have hit |
| 04:24.43 | brlcad | uso: tap two fingers on a table in alteration, try to count to a hundred -- time yourself |
| 04:24.58 | brlcad | do that again with a slight twitch of your wrist on the table instead |
| 04:25.25 | uso | cant count that fast :) |
| 04:25.26 | brlcad | you can't get close if you're got even the slightest twitch ability |
| 04:26.28 | uso | yes, but even a small mouse movement also needs time |
| 04:26.40 | brlcad | the higher rate of the wrist translates to considerably higher acceleration spikes in the clients |
| 04:27.23 | brlcad | uso: i don't know if it's your perception of the difference or if you're trying to justify it, but the numbers speak quantitatively |
| 04:27.58 | brlcad | add some debug code to the clients, try your best with keys, try your best with even a default mouse .. then try an overaccelerated mouse with a small mouse box |
| 04:28.17 | brlcad | the acceleration computations are drastic |
| 04:29.52 | uso | is ther any code for an acceleration display available? |
| 04:30.19 | brlcad | they're not even "close", hence the perceived (and real) advantage if only from the ability to dodge when they shouldn't be able to (impractical/impossible acceleration rates getting computed) |
| 04:31.47 | brlcad | find a player that can also utilize the fast reaction times, and their delta response time is ever so slightly improved too |
| 04:32.09 | brlcad | albeit that one is smaller than the raw ability to dodge |
| 04:32.18 | trepan | so you're basically saying that the keyboard is an inferior input device? (when the mouse is used to its max) |
| 04:33.06 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:33.21 | uso | i do not understand where the difference in acceleration comes from if i change speed from zero to max with one mouse move or one keypress |
| 04:33.54 | brlcad | for this very specific task, inferior in it's ability to generate discontinuous acceleration differences, yes ;) |
| 04:33.54 | uso | both gives me a speed change from 0 to max within on "tick", ehatever the tick in bzflag is |
| 04:34.09 | uso | *whatever |
| 04:34.41 | trepan | brlcad: na, sounds more like 'inferior in ability to generate user response times' |
| 04:34.55 | trepan | even if -a is used, the faster response times when still play in a little |
| 04:35.09 | trepan | s/when/will |
| 04:35.09 | uso | i understand that it's easier to move a mouse forward and back fast than to move a finger between to buttons |
| 04:35.49 | brlcad | trepan: probably true |
| 04:35.49 | uso | but i don't see the difference from the in game physics |
| 04:36.19 | brlcad | which probably boils down to that tiny time difference between how long it takes to press two keys vs twitching a wrist |
| 04:36.29 | trepan | and that from _the_ keyboard advocate, somebody mark it down :) |
| 04:36.47 | uso | :) |
| 04:36.48 | brlcad | we make up for it with strategy and technique :) |
| 04:37.02 | trepan | heh |
| 04:37.06 | brlcad | which just makes good keyboarders even more impressive ;) |
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| 04:38.12 | uso | trepan: have you tried the changed jumping with -a settings? |
| 04:38.14 | blast007 | cool, that autogen.sh commit fixed my build issue |
| 04:38.34 | brlcad | blast007: heh, good to hear |
| 04:38.46 | blast007 | doesn't loop running ./configure anymore ;) |
| 04:38.46 | trepan | brlcad: if you're of the opinion that the ME fiasco isn't mostly claptrap |
| 04:38.57 | blast007 | kept doing that after I had run make |
| 04:39.18 | brlcad | ahh, interesting blast007 .. bad cache |
| 04:39.29 | trepan | uso: don't have to, know what you're saying |
| 04:39.43 | trepan | would require special casing for accel after landing |
| 04:39.47 | brlcad | ~dict claptrap |
| 04:40.40 | bryjen | heh. a trap for claps |
| 04:40.57 | uso | yes, but i'm afraid we lose that jumping abilities if the recommended -a values will be set on servers with jumping :( |
| 04:41.30 | trepan | what, and disallow impractical/impossible accel values? |
| 04:41.40 | uso | so can there be a warning added about the changed jumping (to the warning about the -a values and ME) ? |
| 04:41.43 | brlcad | trepan: oh, i'm sure it mostly is by this point -- I stopped paying attention to early in the spring before it hit the boards, investigating to see if it was even possible and what the client does |
| 04:42.48 | brlcad | like the old dodge cheats where once one or two said/claimed they'd used it, everyone and their mother was accused of it |
| 04:43.50 | uso | it's a bit of witch hunting :) |
| 04:43.52 | brlcad | same thing for the ever slightly thin tanks cheat |
| 04:44.24 | trepan | what was the dodge cheat? auto control? |
| 04:44.34 | brlcad | once the cheat check was added, there were only like what? 3 or 4 players that had it in use? |
| 04:45.01 | brlcad | quite a bit less than the dozens being accused |
| 04:45.26 | uso | same would happen with the -a settings |
| 04:45.45 | DTRemenak | bryjen, it's related to the plymouth |
| 04:45.54 | brlcad | heh :) |
| 04:45.54 | trepan | (auto control sounds overly complicated for those that write bz cheats) |
| 04:46.19 | brlcad | the tanks would twitch a lateral movement and avoid shots |
| 04:46.22 | DTRemenak | seems to me there was a strafing cheat around for a while |
| 04:46.22 | uso | the recommended values do not change anything in dodging for me |
| 04:46.30 | brlcad | that was 1.7 days |
| 04:46.32 | brlcad | iirc |
| 04:46.56 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 04:47.28 | silverfox | what are good -a settings? |
| 04:47.33 | blast007 | the tanks side-stepped? |
| 04:47.48 | uso | trepan: what do you mean with disallow impractical/impossible accel values? |
| 04:47.57 | blast007 | oh, just say the strafing comment |
| 04:47.59 | trepan | silverfox: there are defaults given if you don't supply bzfs with -a |
| 04:48.31 | blast007 | I would imagine that strafing is still quite possible |
| 04:48.35 | uso | yes, but it would be nice to change them to be symmetric ;) |
| 04:48.43 | trepan | god mode is still easy, everything else is gravy |
| 04:49.18 | bryjen | god mode is obvious |
| 04:49.24 | uso | so that you have the same time to reach max velocity for both linear and angular |
| 04:49.39 | DTRemenak | trepan, easy? it's a one-character change |
| 04:49.43 | trepan | bryjen: with a random factor thrown in, not so much so |
| 04:49.46 | blast007 | heck, I don't even think that server-side shots will prevent auto-aiming cheat until tanks are server side too |
| 04:49.56 | DTRemenak | heh, then it turns into one line :) |
| 04:50.26 | brlcad | i'm not sure purely lateral movement updates are possible anymore.. maybe but I thought I remembered a check for that |
| 04:50.46 | uso | heh, auto aiming triple wall ricos would be nice :) |
| 04:51.06 | bryjen | heh. semi-potent god (mode). |
| 04:51.26 | DTRemenak | demigod mode |
| 04:51.35 | brlcad | versus the semi-impotent god (mode) ? |
| 04:51.54 | bryjen | brlcad: your glass is half empty :/ |
| 04:52.15 | brlcad | cuts the tanks barrels off |
| 04:52.44 | bryjen | hrrrmm |
| 04:52.45 | uso | somewhat ,more optimistic |
| 04:53.25 | uso | to scare away the sun ... |
| 04:54.21 | uso | firebug :) |
| 04:59.14 | uso | so is there a hope that someone looks at the changed jumping behaviour with -a settings? or should i make a bug report about this? or where should i put it? |
| 05:00.32 | trepan | it's not a bug, it makes sense |
| 05:01.32 | uso | it would make sense if bzflag were a tank simulation |
| 05:01.46 | trepan | you ask for inertia, you get it |
| 05:01.54 | trepan | where's the conflict? |
| 05:02.01 | uso | but than you would have change acceleration also to "real" values |
| 05:02.31 | uso | would be a boring game if acceleration would need a few seconds like real tanks need ;) |
| 05:02.58 | uso | it takes away most of the movement possibilities in the game |
| 05:03.15 | uso | losing a lot of fascination and fun |
| 05:04.13 | uso | and it has nothing to do with any mouse or keyboard enhancements as you have 4 seconds time to change the mouse position or the pressed key |
| 05:04.32 | trepan | make it a feature request if anything |
| 05:04.41 | uso | no, it isn't really a bug |
| 05:04.59 | uso | but it's a major change in the game possibilities or game behaviour |
| 05:06.12 | uso | if you ever has driven as obs with one of the good gu players with brilliant movement you understand what i mean |
| 05:08.45 | uso | and it would leave a fight between people who feel the need to limit the ME players and the ones who want to keep the movement possibilities |
| 05:09.35 | bryjen | ~convert 90 km to miles |
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| 05:42.28 | Aribeth | :))) |
| 05:45.42 | SilentSwan | hi |
| 05:49.34 | jpa- | morning :) |
| 05:49.59 | SilentSwan | wow, one smile and everyone smiles |
| 05:50.27 | jpa- | not much needed to initiate when one is happy already :P |
| 05:50.41 | SilentSwan | indeed... |
| 05:51.04 | uso | eeek, how can you be wide awake this time :) |
| 05:51.17 | SilentSwan | what time is "this time"? |
| 05:51.19 | jpa- | it is 7:51 already :) |
| 05:51.53 | uso | oh, you are one hour ahead |
| 05:52.36 | SilentSwan | so what makes you so happy at such an odd hour? |
| 05:53.34 | jpa- | SilentSwan: his hour is even actually.. 6 is even, 7 is odd |
| 05:53.44 | Aribeth | hello |
| 05:53.45 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 05:54.16 | SilentSwan | good morning Aribeth |
| 05:54.34 | SilentSwan | still evening here.. will be for another 6 min |
| 05:54.39 | Aribeth | im just getting atarted |
| 05:54.56 | SilentSwan | oh? |
| 05:55.10 | Aribeth | started* |
| 05:55.31 | Aribeth | i built another desk |
| 05:55.44 | Aribeth | then sorted all my capasitors |
| 05:55.56 | SilentSwan | sounds... exciting |
| 05:56.44 | Aribeth | i got a bunch for fixing old radios. haveing them sorted makes life easy |
| 05:57.29 | jpa- | ooooo |
| 05:57.33 | jpa- | !praise Aribeth |
| 05:57.42 | Aribeth | heh |
| 05:58.00 | SilentSwan | i sort things too... wherever they land when i toss them there is "sorting" |
| 05:58.08 | Aribeth | i restore 1930's to 1940's radios |
| 05:58.41 | jpa- | valves are cuute :) |
| 06:00.38 | SilentSwan | *eeeeeeeek* midnight |
| 06:01.36 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 06:01.53 | jpa- | aaaargh DDoS :( |
| 06:01.58 | SilentSwan | uh oh |
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| 06:20.58 | SilentSwan | well.. just turned down an offer by a friend to help start yet another channel on undernet. |
| 06:21.05 | SilentSwan | i've had my fill of it... sick of all the idiots |
| 06:21.41 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 06:23.59 | Aribeth | lots of munchkins out there |
| 06:23.59 | SilentSwan | trouble is, said friend wants me to run bots to keep it alive... |
| 06:24.00 | Aribeth | eek |
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| 06:24.48 | SilentSwan | oh bloody hell |
| 06:24.48 | SilentSwan | what a ride |
| 06:24.49 | SilentSwan | what for? |
| 06:25.15 | jpa- | well i have plenty for myself already, i thought i could give some away |
| 06:25.15 | SilentSwan | i thank you anyway :) |
| 06:25.15 | SilentSwan | you're hugging yourself, eh? :) |
| 06:25.46 | jpa- | >:| |
| 06:25.46 | SilentSwan | well, i've plenty for myself as well.. that's why i've no time for IRC nonsense these days |
| 06:26.06 | SilentSwan | jpa-: just kidding... |
| 06:26.06 | SilentSwan | i should sleep |
| 06:26.12 | SilentSwan | in fact |
| 06:26.16 | SilentSwan | that's what i'm going to do |
| 06:26.18 | SilentSwan | goodnight |
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| 08:12.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/format_notes.txt: notes on the UV rendering of a pyramid |
| 08:14.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:14.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: write out all objects |
| 08:14.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add support for pyramids |
| 08:14.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: more common IO code |
| 08:14.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: cleanups in world and rendering headers |
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| 09:37.33 | silverfox | I'm shopping for a digital camera. My wife likes to print snapshots and frame pictures and such. Our current camera is on the fritz and is pretty crummy. I'm comparing a 4 Megapixel to a 5 Megapixel. Is there a big difference between 4 and 5 ? |
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| 10:22.42 | bz4559 | hi all |
| 10:22.59 | bz4559 | hey guy |
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| 10:23.44 | Benny | hey |
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| 11:09.47 | SilverFox | if you want ibot to "update" a factiod, must you tell it to "forget" first? |
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| 11:46.13 | conanwork | hi all |
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| 11:54.52 | Muahahaha | Hey gurs |
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| 12:21.44 | Newart | Hi everybody!! |
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| 12:39.56 | danne- | yo guys |
| 12:41.16 | danne- | Hejj |
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| 14:38.35 | Grumbler | man its quiet |
| 14:38.57 | conanwork | let's make it unquiet |
| 14:41.34 | Grumbler | we could, but what then |
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| 14:42.07 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 14:42.10 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 47°F. |
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| 14:42.30 | Grumbler | wow, the earth is cool |
| 14:42.36 | Aribeth | ya |
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| 14:47.17 | Kaos | Hey |
| 14:47.20 | Kaos | is anyone there |
| 14:47.30 | RedBaron2 | hi |
| 14:47.39 | Kaos | hey red |
| 14:47.49 | Kaos | how you doing |
| 14:47.57 | RedBaron2 | not too bad |
| 14:48.04 | Kaos | same here |
| 14:48.08 | RedBaron2 | i'm @ wrk :p |
| 14:48.13 | Kaos | cool |
| 14:48.38 | Kaos | hope the boss doesnt walk by and look over you shoulder |
| 14:49.01 | Kaos | do you know anything about jtag???? |
| 14:49.05 | RedBaron2 | hehe |
| 14:49.07 | RedBaron2 | nope.. |
| 14:49.17 | Kaos | embedded linux?? |
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| 14:49.25 | uso | SilverFox: no, there's no big difference, a 4 megapixel cam may even take better photos with a better lens |
| 14:49.40 | RedBaron2 | sorry, don't know anything about linux |
| 14:50.01 | Kaos | oh okay i am looking for help hacking up an ogo |
| 14:50.41 | RedBaron2 | sorry, can't really help you there |
| 14:51.32 | Kaos | its cool know anyone in here that would |
| 14:53.05 | RedBaron2 | *shrugs* |
| 14:54.19 | RedBaron2 | not really |
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| 14:55.09 | conanwork | Kaos: whats an ogo? |
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| 14:57.26 | Kaos | its a sms device that used to be carried by att but was dropped after the cingular merger |
| 14:58.06 | eXtreme | ibot, silvercat current map is babel. |
| 14:58.07 | ibot | ...but silvercat current map is already something else... |
| 14:58.09 | eXtreme | oops |
| 14:58.14 | eXtreme | stupid right click :( |
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| 15:21.13 | conanwork | hey, anyone knows if the scripts to make rotation con silvercat are available? |
| 15:29.32 | conanwork | i've been unable to find example scritps on the site |
| 15:30.15 | jpa- | ? |
| 15:30.22 | jpa- | you want to make a rotation server? |
| 15:30.52 | jpa- | what OS? |
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| 15:33.48 | conanwork | jpa-: gnulinux of course |
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| 15:34.47 | conanwork | jpa-: i want to make a rotating server that in an hour puts fours maps, the maps i have found to be the coolest |
| 15:35.04 | jpa- | conanwork: well i've just used a bash script.. wait a moment |
| 15:35.12 | conanwork | jpa-: this way i can give myself a break withou loosing too much time ;) |
| 15:36.14 | conanwork | jpa-: i supossed that, and the servers conf file everyone saying must end in one game, but i want to take a look at someone's before |
| 15:36.23 | conanwork | jpa-: call it lazyness ;) |
| 15:40.14 | jpa- | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/other/bzfs.sh |
| 15:41.05 | conanwork | jpa-: cool! i'lll take a look, besides after your answer i do a new search with other terms and find some good answers too |
| 15:43.14 | conanwork | jpa-: cool and simple :) thanks |
| 15:43.45 | jpa- | yeah.. not very random though, but you obviously didn't want it to be :) |
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| 15:55.43 | conanwork | jpa-: no, in fact i want in serie |
| 16:15.01 | ruskie | hmmm that was incredibly stupid... |
| 16:15.10 | ruskie | I ask for help and I get shoot by my own teammate |
| 16:15.55 | jpa- | poor ruskie |
| 16:16.45 | Birdie | thats teamplay:) |
| 16:17.19 | ruskie | and I'm noticing that lately more and more of this is happening... |
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| 16:21.19 | conanwork | ruskie: the people got nervous |
| 16:22.03 | TheRedBaron | that gives me a new idea of a flag, Reverse Masquerade. Appear as an enemy tank to everyone :) |
| 16:22.47 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: i think masquerade is a flag that could well dissappear |
| 16:23.00 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: everybody looks at their radars |
| 16:23.02 | TheRedBaron | conanwork: if it worked on radar... |
| 16:23.10 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: so it has poor effect |
| 16:23.16 | TheRedBaron | thats what I've said, but some one needs to code it up. |
| 16:23.43 | jpa- | if there were a radarspoof flag that would masquerade on radar, one would have to check both the screen and the radar to know the team one is in |
| 16:24.05 | TheRedBaron | jpa- no, you right click to identify. |
| 16:24.16 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: hum.... that's a little insane, if you change team in a way that noone can advert, then is like you are cloaked on a no radar map |
| 16:24.19 | jpa- | well that too |
| 16:24.28 | TheRedBaron | basically make masquerade a good "colorblindness" flag |
| 16:26.02 | TheRedBaron | conanwork: which one? making MQ work on radar? or my 'bad' MQ flag? |
| 16:27.19 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: anyone who make changes in radar |
| 16:27.54 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: anyone that make changes in radar |
| 16:27.56 | TheRedBaron | not quit conan. |
| 16:28.00 | TheRedBaron | *quite |
| 16:28.06 | TheRedBaron | what about jamming? |
| 16:28.38 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: jamming is a bad flag that permits to get you busted by anyone |
| 16:28.52 | TheRedBaron | what about Invisible bullet? |
| 16:29.24 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: a flag that changes your color in radar and hud permits you to go and take the enemy easyly |
| 16:29.58 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: with IB you see the tank and cant think it got something in mind if he is following you ;) |
| 16:30.25 | TheRedBaron | conanwork: if everyone looks at radar, what about Stealth? |
| 16:30.51 | orange | on a very foggy map |
| 16:30.53 | TheRedBaron | you see, there are flags that alter the radar. |
| 16:30.59 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: for that you need to check periodically the list of players and hunt the STs |
| 16:31.27 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: yeah, but this one is truly missleading |
| 16:31.37 | TheRedBaron | so, you can clearly see... that there are workarounds for masquerade effecting radar and hud. |
| 16:31.45 | TheRedBaron | You have the "identify" |
| 16:31.45 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: if you are hit by a ST you say to others "ST at b" |
| 16:32.29 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: with your flag a player who is not very aware wich other players are on his team can only say "a teammie hit me!" |
| 16:32.36 | TheRedBaron | and if you get shot by your "teamate" then you alert the others "MQ at []" |
| 16:33.10 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: no cause you dont know if he is a ttruly mate doing tk or an enemy with your flag |
| 16:33.21 | TheRedBaron | yes you do |
| 16:33.25 | TheRedBaron | the logs! |
| 16:33.33 | TheRedBaron | the logs will tell you, who shot you! |
| 16:33.40 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: too much information! |
| 16:33.45 | TheRedBaron | how do you find out who shot you if they have stealth? |
| 16:34.09 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: i want to play and kill, i have a basic behaviour of checking some stuff |
| 16:34.13 | TheRedBaron | Conanwork: what now? bzflag will degrade into a mindless no-need-for-thought game? |
| 16:34.24 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: but i don't want to convert the game on a managemente crisis |
| 16:34.27 | Chestal | superflags are for wussies anyway ;-) |
| 16:34.32 | TheRedBaron | just spray and wipe? |
| 16:34.50 | TheRedBaron | Conanwork: having MQ effecting radar and HUD is not a conversion... |
| 16:35.07 | Chestal | but I also agree that current MQ is probably not very effective |
| 16:35.15 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: my position is that there are too many flags already, we should stop asking for new ones, and meybe eliminate some |
| 16:35.20 | jpa- | Chestal: wouldn't it be fun to have just bad flags? :) |
| 16:35.30 | TheRedBaron | Conanwork: i'm not asking for a new one |
| 16:35.31 | Chestal | jpa-: easy to set up this way :-) |
| 16:35.44 | TheRedBaron | I'm asking for a revision of a current one |
| 16:35.45 | jpa- | a lot of bad flags.. then everyone is disabled in some way :) |
| 16:35.52 | conanwork | jpa-: nobody will pickup one |
| 16:35.54 | TheRedBaron | jpa- is evil |
| 16:36.28 | Chestal | conanwork: if you can avoid them. Think 1000 flags |
| 16:36.29 | orange | no revelation there :-) |
| 16:36.47 | TheRedBaron | true, i have a slight problem with being redundant |
| 16:37.01 | jpa- | Chestal: or a spawnzone with flags and no drop time |
| 16:37.27 | Chestal | some of the bad flags can be good under certain circumstances |
| 16:37.34 | Chestal | I used to like blindness |
| 16:37.45 | Chestal | helped my framerate a lot |
| 16:37.55 | orange | we need a 'no hud' option |
| 16:38.06 | Chestal | WA might also be helpful |
| 16:38.06 | TheRedBaron | orange: agreed |
| 16:38.17 | Chestal | nah, the main view stays |
| 16:38.19 | jpa- | i do like WA :) |
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| 16:38.38 | orange | it's hardware discrimination, I say |
| 16:39.01 | Chestal | no power to the radar-only freaks :-) |
| 16:39.06 | orange | lol |
| 16:39.10 | TheRedBaron | freaks? where? |
| 16:39.21 | conanwork | i like a map with no time limit for bad flags, a map where you must kill somebody with disabled ability to shakle bad flag |
| 16:39.24 | TheRedBaron | who are these freaks you speka of? :) |
| 16:39.30 | TheRedBaron | *speak |
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| 16:39.37 | orange | bots! |
| 16:39.49 | conanwork | but one with 1000 bad and only bad flags would be pointless |
| 16:39.49 | Grumbler | freak bots |
| 16:39.54 | conanwork | i would avoid them |
| 16:39.55 | Chestal | conan: yes, I hate it when a kill does not shake the bad flag |
| 16:40.06 | conanwork | i would avoid by not entering that server ! :P |
| 16:40.41 | Grumbler | has anybody tried bouncy on a no jump server |
| 16:40.54 | orange | hehe, interesting idea |
| 16:41.26 | Chestal | I had a no-jumping, 2 shot ricochet FFA handicap server for a while |
| 16:41.38 | Chestal | I think it also had all bad flags |
| 16:41.45 | Chestal | increased gravity though |
| 16:41.57 | Chestal | so you'd really get tiny little bounces |
| 16:46.00 | TheRedBaron | yup that was fun |
| 16:46.09 | TheRedBaron | and you had HTR set up like that also |
| 16:49.22 | TheRedBaron | radar freaks... hmm I'd like a big full screen radar, with the ability to tab to HUD. that would be cool! |
| 16:49.52 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: well that's excatly wath i'm planning to do |
| 16:50.04 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: i just brought the subject last night |
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| 16:50.19 | conanwork | TheRedBaron: i think i gonna doit, but it's on my brain stilll |
| 16:51.42 | TheRedBaron | do it. |
| 16:51.44 | TheRedBaron | I've been waiting along time. |
| 16:52.53 | conanwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.16 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.15 | Chestal | TheRedBaron: HTR? |
| 16:54.25 | jpa- | hunt the rabit |
| 16:54.31 | Chestal | ah |
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| 18:24.12 | Grumbler | as it should be |
| 18:28.33 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's drawClasicBox() |
| 18:28.52 | JeffM2501 | last night I was looking at how the pyramid is done |
| 18:28.54 | bryjen | yeah, that's better, more room for expansion.... to things like drawNewCrap() |
| 18:28.55 | JeffM2501 | man is it wierd |
| 18:29.17 | JeffM2501 | the texture on the pyramid dosn't stay "square" |
| 18:30.13 | JeffM2501 | I got boxes down good I'm prety sure tho |
| 18:30.19 | JeffM2501 | they shoudl render just like they do in BZ |
| 18:30.28 | JeffM2501 | same texture repeats and all |
| 18:31.09 | ToughShooter | ~spell clasic |
| 18:31.18 | JeffM2501 | I am keeping notes on what the objects need to be drawn as too, so in case anyone else needs it |
| 18:32.10 | ToughShooter | ;) |
| 18:32.23 | JeffM2501 | it's classic? |
| 18:32.57 | ToughShooter | it should be, at least in my dict it is |
| 18:33.06 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:33.08 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 18:37.35 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (7 files in 2 dirs): spelling error |
| 18:41.10 | DTRemenak | heh. I just started cleaning up your spelling about 5 minutes ago. hadn't gotten to that one yet |
| 18:47.35 | JeffM2501 | ah |
| 18:47.37 | JeffM2501 | thanks :) |
| 18:47.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it's horible |
| 18:49.19 | DTRemenak | more horrible than horible, but that's the general idea ;) |
| 18:50.13 | JeffM2501 | you wana work on the linux side of it too? :) |
| 18:50.39 | DTRemenak | not in linux right now :) |
| 18:50.41 | DTRemenak | but maybe |
| 18:50.54 | JeffM2501 | I am very lost with GTK |
| 18:54.03 | JeffM2501 | I was atempting to use the code from bzfed |
| 18:54.21 | JeffM2501 | tho for some reason I allways think of cows and pigs when I see that name |
| 18:55.57 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:56.53 | bryjen | feed? |
| 18:56.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:57.09 | JeffM2501 | looks like cornfeed to me or something |
| 18:57.22 | DTRemenak | heh. case eSpin: fileText += TextUtils::format("sping %f %f %f\n",transforms[i].values[0],transforms[i].values[1],transforms[i].values[2],transforms[i].values[3]); |
| 18:57.49 | JeffM2501 | I was wicked drunk when I made that |
| 18:58.13 | JeffM2501 | actuqaly I probably got an IM in the middle :) |
| 18:59.18 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm curious what "writeAffineTransforms" means. As far as I know, "affine" refers to someone who's related to you by marriage...I'm not sure if that's what you intended, 'cause I can't see anything that it'd be an obvious typo for. |
| 18:59.46 | JeffM2501 | I looked it up |
| 18:59.47 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 19:00.06 | JeffM2501 | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/AffineTransformation.html |
| 19:00.15 | JeffM2501 | I thought that what they were |
| 19:00.25 | JeffM2501 | IIRC that's what trepan called them |
| 19:01.01 | JeffM2501 | and it makes sense based on the part "Geometric contraction, expansion, dilation, reflection, rotation, shear, similarity transformations, spiral similarities, and translation are all affine transformations, as are their combinations. In general, an affine transformation is a composition of rotations, translations, dilations, and shears." |
| 19:01.03 | DTRemenak | ah, gotcha |
| 19:01.45 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:01.54 | JeffM2501 | I'm not a total idiot :0 |
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| 19:03.06 | JeffM2501 | now I would like it to be recorded in the annals of history that I was right about an english word for once :) |
| 19:03.08 | DTRemenak | affine spaces, coefficient fields, and so on. when I'm correcting spelling I'm in proofreader mode (thinking about obsolete english words), not math mode :) |
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| 19:04.00 | JeffM2501 | I allways thought it was alfine till I looked it up |
| 19:04.03 | DTRemenak | probably would have helped to do the homework |
| 19:07.40 | DTRemenak | actually most of it looks quite nice |
| 19:07.57 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/worldIO.cpp: spin has 4 components |
| 19:09.42 | DTRemenak | now if only I could convince you to be consistent about where you put spaces around your parentheses :) |
| 19:09.49 | JeffM2501 | the nasty windows stuff is packed in the nasty windows files |
| 19:09.50 | JeffM2501 | I know |
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| 19:10.43 | orange | you guys don't use a code reformatter? |
| 19:11.31 | JeffM2501 | I've been looking for one |
| 19:11.42 | JeffM2501 | I found one I like but it costs money |
| 19:11.57 | JeffM2501 | I am bad about spaces in () |
| 19:12.47 | JeffM2501 | tho if I ever did get it, phear what would happen to bzflag :) |
| 19:12.53 | DTRemenak | it doesn't bother me to have spaces or not have spaces or whatever. Just annoying that every line is different :) |
| 19:13.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's why I am bad about it |
| 19:13.10 | JeffM2501 | I even notice it sometimes |
| 19:13.13 | RatOmeter | since the invention of IDEs that allow you to select from various styles, I thought I'd never need such a thing. Then I had to work with programmers who had differing styles (or worse, no style) |
| 19:13.50 | JeffM2501 | I hate it when I do one at the start and none at the end |
| 19:27.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10tools/bzedit/ (15 files in 6 dirs): fun with speling |
| 19:27.55 | ToughShooter | ~x en de banned |
| 19:28.04 | ToughShooter | ~x en de baned |
| 19:28.06 | JeffM2501 | with one you have to be in a little dress |
| 19:28.15 | JeffM2501 | and do a dance |
| 19:28.22 | ToughShooter | eek |
| 19:29.47 | DTRemenak | "baned" would be the past tense of "bane". Unfortunately, "bane" is a noun, not a verb :) |
| 19:30.01 | RatOmeter | I can sell you some "TK bane" Keeps the TKers away |
| 19:31.16 | ToughShooter | Hmm, wasn't "baned" used in plug-in docs? |
| 19:31.23 | ToughShooter | ~spell baned |
| 19:31.31 | bryjen | ~dict bane |
| 19:31.56 | DTRemenak | hm, there is an obs. v. t. form |
| 19:32.09 | JeffM2501 | to be baned? |
| 19:32.15 | DTRemenak | mhm |
| 19:32.15 | JeffM2501 | or to be a bane? |
| 19:32.20 | RatOmeter | also note the mythological references to "dragon bane" |
| 19:32.30 | DTRemenak | to bane; syn. to ruin |
| 19:32.53 | DTRemenak | RatOmeter: that refers to the noun form; a bane is something which causes death or misery |
| 19:33.11 | DTRemenak | you would probably have a bit of an issue with ratsbane :) |
| 19:33.18 | JeffM2501 | in DnD terms it does extra damage :) |
| 19:33.35 | bryjen | ~dict 1 bane |
| 19:34.03 | DTRemenak | that is a huge etymology |
| 19:34.08 | RatOmeter | I've been immunised |
| 19:35.04 | orange | as in Isildur's Bane, as many here probably recall |
| 19:35.04 | DTRemenak | hm, it claims it's obs. except in combination. and here I've been using it... |
| 19:35.19 | ToughShooter | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/plugins/doc/events.html?rev=1.15&view=markup : bz_eBanEvent: A user was baned |
| 19:35.33 | bryjen | obs. ? |
| 19:35.38 | ToughShooter | bz_eHostBanEvent: A user was hostbaned |
| 19:35.47 | ToughShooter | sigh |
| 19:36.01 | bryjen | poisoned from this host? ;) |
| 19:36.07 | RatOmeter | well, I guess that would be the ruin of them on that server |
| 19:36.09 | ToughShooter | yeah |
| 19:36.57 | RatOmeter | hey, in English (and German too, it appears) we're always turning nouns into verbs |
| 19:36.59 | DTRemenak | bryjen: obsolete :) |
| 19:37.08 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/events.html: speling: baned, durration |
| 19:37.11 | ToughShooter | English is foreign to me but it sounds strange to me |
| 19:39.11 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/man/bzadmin.6.in: merge manual corrections from HEAD (bzadmin does not quit after running commands issued by stdin) |
| 19:39.37 | RatOmeter | one of my favorite German words that lives a duel life is "Radler". I prefer the one you can drink |
| 19:43.43 | A_Meteorite | JeffM, you there? |
| 19:44.09 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:47.37 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/configure.ac: |
| 19:47.37 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: more thorough sniffing code for socklen_t. this should make solaris, aix and hpux happier without breaking anyone else. ripped out of openssh's aclocal.m4. |
| 19:47.38 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: From that source: "Check for socklen_t: historically on BSD it is an int, and in |
| 19:47.38 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: POSIX 1g it is a type of its own, but some platforms use different types for the |
| 19:47.38 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: argument to getsockopt, getpeername, etc. So we have to test to find something |
| 19:47.39 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: that will work." |
| 20:02.47 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/bzadmin.cxx: strings.h is not universal |
| 20:07.40 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge changes from 2.0.5. v2_0branch tagged as merge-2_0-2_1-3. |
| 20:15.00 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/GameKeeper.cxx: explicitly cast to float to quell warnings |
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| 20:19.09 | NoGutsNoGlory | 24.30.227.125:5154 |
| 20:19.24 | NoGutsNoGlory | 24.30.227.125:5154 |
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| 20:28.54 | NoGutsNoGlory | hi |
| 20:29.01 | NoGutsNoGlory | Can someone help me |
| 20:29.09 | NoGutsNoGlory | 24.30.227.125:5154 |
| 20:31.13 | DTRemenak | nobody can help you if you don't say what you need help with |
| 20:33.42 | lan56 | heh |
| 20:38.57 | Grumbler | ~bzfquery 24.30.227.125:5154 |
| 20:44.30 | Birdie | phpBB : Critical Error |
| 20:44.30 | Birdie | Could not connect to the database |
| 20:44.33 | Birdie | from bzbb |
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| 20:54.49 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, it can happen |
| 20:55.36 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak,learner I think we need to increase the db connections |
| 20:55.50 | JeffM2501 | with all the list server stuff it runs out fast |
| 20:56.01 | JeffM2501 | or maybe it's time to move the fourms |
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| 21:21.44 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
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| 21:39.27 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/bzadmin.cxx: use <string.h> like everywhere else |
| 21:49.34 | TD-Linux | what's a good channel to talk about networking, especially wireless security? |
| 21:49.57 | SilentSwan | wireless security == oxymoron |
| 21:50.16 | SilentSwan | i dunno, do a /list and see what looks promising |
| 21:50.52 | TD-Linux | ok, I wanna use my DS on my network really bad, but it only supports WEP encryption :( |
| 21:51.05 | RatOmeter | my wireless network is less likely to be compromised |
| 21:51.32 | SilentSwan | TD-Linux: sorry, i don't know. i only do wires |
| 21:51.32 | TD-Linux | I use WPA right now |
| 21:51.40 | TD-Linux | and mac address filtering |
| 21:51.49 | RatOmeter | because I hardly ever switch on the WAP... for idle surfing, I just use my neighbor's WAP! |
| 21:51.56 | SilentSwan | RatOmeter: hahaha |
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| 21:53.02 | TD-Linux | my neighbor has a completely open network |
| 21:53.06 | TD-Linux | SSID: linkysys |
| 21:53.36 | TD-Linux | our internet connection is faster, as the connection is so weak :) |
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| 21:59.20 | RatOmeter | so, does LouMan ever hang out here? |
| 21:59.50 | SilentSwan | not sure, but i seem to recall seeing him here at least once... if that helps hehe... |
| 22:00.00 | SilentSwan | maybe post on the forums about it |
| 22:00.02 | RatOmeter | heh, not a lot |
| 22:00.06 | RatOmeter | yes, I'll do that |
| 22:00.11 | SilentSwan | brb |
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| 22:04.34 | SilentSwan | oh goody, Pepper and Max are *both* in scream mode |
| 22:04.44 | SilentSwan | hey Aribeth |
| 22:05.28 | SilentSwan | god, i just swept all the leaves off my driveway last night... and now it's covered again... |
| 22:05.31 | SilentSwan | stupid maple trees |
| 22:06.03 | SilentSwan | they wait til the last minute and then *fwooosh* a million leaves fall all at once |
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| 22:07.13 | jomojo | JeffM2501: the list seems a bit slow to me perhaps needs to be restarted or something? |
| 22:07.35 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, it's just very busy |
| 22:07.40 | JeffM2501 | it's been restarted once today allready |
| 22:07.56 | jomojo | well that's just no fun.. |
| 22:08.01 | jomojo | but it will do |
| 22:08.50 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 22:08.55 | JeffM2501 | can't magicaly make less people use it :) |
| 22:09.21 | SilentSwan | sure you can. just change the address :) |
| 22:09.39 | JeffM2501 | no I can't |
| 22:09.42 | JeffM2501 | tim has to do that |
| 22:09.46 | JeffM2501 | I don't have access to dns |
| 22:09.57 | JeffM2501 | if I did, I'd ahve moved it all to a difren machine |
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| 22:31.40 | bryjen | can anyone else get to http://www.cdw.com |
| 22:31.43 | bryjen | ?? |
| 22:31.56 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:32.06 | JeffM2501 | it's slow but yes |
| 22:32.17 | DTRemenak | was fast enough for me |
| 22:33.29 | gsnedders | fast enough for me |
| 22:34.03 | bryjen | the problem must be closer to my end then :( thanks |
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| 22:49.39 | SilentSwan | *sigh* my friend was here last night and started "helpfully" making things neat in here, and now i cannot find a #$*& thing |
| 22:49.55 | RPG_ | a damn thing? |
| 22:50.06 | SilentSwan | if you like |
| 22:50.11 | SilentSwan | anyone have a screwdriver? |
| 22:50.13 | RPG_ | we ain't tha anal |
| 22:50.25 | RPG_ | ibot has one |
| 22:50.49 | SilentSwan | my doorknob has come loose |
| 22:50.59 | SilentSwan | maybe she was going to take that off and put it away someplace neat, too |
| 22:51.02 | RPG_ | call the Maytag man! |
| 22:51.10 | SilentSwan | thanks DT |
| 22:54.20 | SilentSwan | oh CRAP.. i was supposed to get a call about a job today... but i'm not at the location where they were supposed to call |
| 22:54.25 | SilentSwan | (ie: work) |
| 22:54.32 | RPG_ | run! |
| 22:54.36 | SilentSwan | too late |
| 22:54.43 | SilentSwan | precisely 24 minutes late |
| 22:55.04 | SilentSwan | *sigh* |
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| 23:16.26 | SilentSwan | woohoo! looks like Arnold (the Governator) is going down in flames :) |
| 23:20.42 | RPG_ | democrat? |
| 23:20.53 | SilentSwan | me? |
| 23:21.01 | SilentSwan | not really..i don't side with either |
| 23:21.08 | SilentSwan | i just despise right-wingers |
| 23:21.20 | SilentSwan | and many left-wingnuts too |
| 23:22.38 | SilentSwan | but i have a particular sore spot for Arnold... so it's fun to watch him crash and burn |
| 23:22.50 | RPG_ | never really follwed him |
| 23:23.02 | SilentSwan | i didn't either until some recent decisions he made |
| 23:23.11 | SilentSwan | anyway, i need food |
| 23:23.13 | SilentSwan | bbl |
| 23:23.14 | RPG_ | what deesiont? |
| 23:23.19 | RPG_ | oh ok |
| 23:23.27 | SilentSwan | eh.. i'd rather not get into it |
| 23:23.30 | SilentSwan | politics.. bad stuff |
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| 23:42.03 | silverfox | ~silvercat current map |
| 23:42.05 | ibot | rumour has it, silvercat current map is babel. You can always find the current map at http://silvercat.tybox.net/currentmap.5154 |
| 23:42.31 | RPG_ | you should put that on your main site |
| 23:42.36 | silverfox | http://silvercat.bzleague.com/maps/ |
| 23:43.03 | RPG_ | oh :) |
| 23:44.10 | silverfox | Toughshooter just set it up. I'll update the ibot factoid the next time the map rotates. |
| 23:44.31 | silverfox | ~seen ToughShooter |
| 23:44.36 | ibot | toughshooter <n=ts@p54B03A31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #silvercat, 2h 40m 36s ago, saying: 'orange: I think it's possible to do that but I better ask meno first as I tend to do things he didn't thought I would do...'. |
| 23:46.58 | silverfox | Has anyone figured out how to parse a bzw to create an image, for the purpose of having a dynamically generated page showing a map? This would be real handy for our Wiki Map. |
| 23:47.26 | JeffM2501 | with all the new map objects it would not be simple |
| 23:48.10 | JeffM2501 | IIRC somone had one for old maps |
| 23:48.19 | JeffM2501 | boxes, pyramids, teleporters, |
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| 23:58.47 | TD-Linux | it would be neat to make a script to use bzflag and take an aerial screenshot |
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| 23:59.04 | JeffM2501 | have at it |