| 00:07.44 | bryjen | ugh. more bb spam. are we banning IP addresses for this? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=57203#57203 |
| 00:08.47 | SportChick | DTRemenak: ping |
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| 00:31.12 | shorty114 | have people mentioned anything about hanging in the mac os x version of bzflag 2.0.4? |
| 00:31.32 | shorty114 | i was playing and all the players started going [nr], and right after that it froze. |
| 00:31.40 | shorty114 | couldn't escape, apple+q, etcf. |
| 00:31.51 | shorty114 | had to use the power button to restart it |
| 00:32.10 | shorty114 | i'm running 10.4.2 |
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| 00:39.04 | israel | any developers on here that can help me? |
| 00:40.50 | orchid | israel: just ask and hopefully someones awake |
| 00:41.13 | israel | ok, :-) quiet here |
| 00:41.47 | israel | my problem is that I just installed Linux (Ubuntu) on a new AMD-64 machine, but BZflag doesn't work properly. |
| 00:42.09 | israel | Everything looks like it's working, but noone sees my bullets, and they don't have any effect. |
| 00:42.56 | israel | I can move around and be shot, but when I shoot, the only one the bullets may kill is me! |
| 00:43.19 | israel | ANyone awake here? |
| 00:43.24 | israel | SGK, you alive? |
| 00:44.04 | bryjen | there's a know problem, i don't recall if it's debian (and derivatives) or 64-bit or both, that causes that |
| 00:44.47 | israel | Oh, hadn't heard. Any idea on fixes or workarounds, bryan? |
| 00:45.41 | israel | BTW, you probably don't know, but this is "Tanks for the Fish" talking. |
| 00:47.05 | bryjen | where did you get your bzflag? tarball, distro package? it may be fixed in cvs... |
| 00:47.29 | israel | BTW, it's not *JUST* AMD-64 for this problem. BZFLAG works ok under windows on the same machine. |
| 00:48.22 | israel | I tried both Ubuntu's package, via their apt-get interface syntaptic, and I also downloaded the tarball for 2.0.4 and compiled that myself. |
| 00:49.32 | bryjen | ah. you might try fetching from anon cvs http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 |
| 00:49.45 | Tupone | israel: windows is a 32 bit OS. I guess it work on linux 32 bit too |
| 00:49.53 | bryjen | you'll need to use the option -r v2_0branch to get 2.0.x |
| 00:50.15 | devster | just to throw a spanner in the works, i had that problem on windowws |
| 00:50.34 | devster | 32bit as well, no one could kill me and i didnt see any bullets and they didnt see mine |
| 00:50.41 | israel | looking around at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=55117&, I see that tux got the latest CVS version (albeit 3 weeks ago) |
| 00:50.45 | israel | and had the same problem |
| 00:51.01 | bryjen | hrm. maybe it's not fixed then :( |
| 00:51.02 | israel | oh, I can be killed just fine. And I see their bullets |
| 00:51.10 | devster | ah k |
| 00:51.11 | israel | but no one sees mine. |
| 00:51.28 | devster | well afaik, mine is fine on slamd64 and i used the tarball |
| 00:51.34 | israel | We did experiments with someone sitting in front of me and me rattling them with shots |
| 00:51.42 | israel | what OS, devster? |
| 00:51.50 | devster | slamd64 (linux) |
| 00:51.58 | bryjen | slamd64 = slackware linux for amd64 |
| 00:52.06 | israel | Oh, never heard that term before. |
| 00:52.30 | israel | Then maybe it's something ubuntu/debian-derivative related |
| 00:52.52 | israel | My other machine (my server) is gentoo. Maybe I should just install gentoo here as well. |
| 00:53.18 | devster | i assume people see my bullets as no ones complained :) |
| 00:53.28 | israel | or maybe I should try slamd. |
| 00:53.47 | israel | I wouldn't complain if I didn't see anyone shooting at me either though :-) |
| 00:54.08 | bryjen | only if you blow up after not seeing any shots :) |
| 00:54.09 | devster | can you kill them though? |
| 00:54.18 | israel | Of course in my situation it appears that the bullets don't leave the local machine. |
| 00:54.36 | israel | they aren't visible and don't kill anyone (except for myself). |
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| 00:59.11 | Grumbler | run away, run away |
| 01:00.02 | bryjen | heh |
| 01:01.27 | israel | run where, grumbler? :-) |
| 01:02.11 | devster | is the lag done on client side or server side? |
| 01:02.25 | bryjen | if JeffM2501 and Tupone ever physically meet, reality as we know it will cease to exist ;) |
| 01:03.25 | israel | ok, I guess no solutions for me here. I'm going to take off now. Later. |
| 01:03.30 | bryjen | lag is done by the network ;) |
| 01:03.50 | devster | i meant working it out |
| 01:04.01 | israel | actually bry, lag could be on the client (e.g. run a major computation at thte same time). |
| 01:04.14 | israel | :-) |
| 01:04.20 | bryjen | israel: sorry i couldn't be of more assistance. see ya' |
| 01:04.37 | devster | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.48 | israel | ok, see you @ SP (when I reboot into windows) |
| 01:04.49 | JeffM2501 | how do you know we arn't the same person |
| 01:05.25 | bryjen | the server sends "ping" type messages to the client, the client responds, when the server recieves the replay, it calculates the lagstat |
| 01:05.37 | bryjen | s/replay/reply/ |
| 01:06.25 | devster | so if the time on this comp is a bit borked, it shouldnt matter? |
| 01:06.47 | bryjen | JeffM2501: this is the internet, i can't say *for sure* that you are a *person* :) |
| 01:07.34 | bryjen | no, i don't think your clock figures in there anywhere |
| 01:08.36 | devster | just that pings are fine as a whole, traceroutes get 1.5-1.8 seconds on the 2nd hop and onwards |
| 01:11.38 | devster | and only thing that makes sense is that my clock gains time like its time travelling |
| 01:21.58 | devster | ideas anyone? |
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| 01:46.50 | I_Died_Once | ~bzfquery 69.136.41.111:4200 |
| 02:00.48 | SilentSwan | ~lart ibot |
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| 03:43.29 | Inferno285 | I got a question, how easy is it to make a plugin, and how is it done? |
| 03:43.44 | JeffM2501 | you write C++ |
| 03:43.44 | RPG_ | 1) you can't use perl |
| 03:43.47 | JeffM2501 | that's about it |
| 03:44.03 | RPG_ | 2) i already started what I_died_once wanted |
| 03:44.11 | RPG_ | a while ago |
| 03:44.12 | JeffM2501 | there is a sample plugin included, complete with instructons on how to copy it to start your own |
| 03:44.31 | Inferno285 | yeh, I guess I won't try if I can't use perl :( |
| 03:44.41 | JeffM2501 | no perl interface yet |
| 03:44.42 | Inferno285 | I gotta learn c++ first |
| 03:44.54 | RPG_ | ^^ famous last words |
| 03:45.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah NEVER seen that statement before :) |
| 03:45.37 | Inferno285 | I know of a way to use perl, filtering all the messages. Like a relay server, that edits everything |
| 03:45.48 | JeffM2501 | um ok |
| 03:46.01 | Inferno285 | like, is that a good idea? |
| 03:46.16 | JeffM2501 | seems overly complext |
| 03:46.19 | JeffM2501 | and hard to maintain |
| 03:46.22 | RPG_ | holy cowhouse! http://go-l.com/monitors/athens/features/index.htm |
| 03:46.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah those have been around for a while |
| 03:46.50 | RPG_ | oh |
| 03:46.57 | purple_cow | except for the fact that the go-l company is a scam |
| 03:47.01 | Inferno285 | sweet, I want one :) |
| 03:47.26 | RPG_ | reallyu? |
| 03:47.37 | JeffM2501 | other companys do make them |
| 03:47.59 | Inferno285 | it's better than what I'm using now |
| 03:48.29 | Inferno285 | Jeff, what kind of monitor do you have? |
| 03:48.46 | JeffM2501 | on this system right here, a 19" CRT |
| 03:48.56 | JeffM2501 | on the main a 19 LCD |
| 03:49.00 | JeffM2501 | at work 2 19's |
| 03:49.18 | JeffM2501 | in a week or so I'll be geting the second LCD for home |
| 03:49.20 | Inferno285 | alot of 19"s |
| 03:49.21 | JeffM2501 | then the 24 |
| 03:51.24 | JeffM2501 | the current LCD was a birthday gift |
| 03:51.25 | SilentSwan | JeffM2501 any particular brand of LCD you like? |
| 03:51.26 | JeffM2501 | it's very nice |
| 03:51.32 | JeffM2501 | this viewsonic is nice |
| 03:51.35 | JeffM2501 | and fast for games |
| 03:51.43 | SilentSwan | i want something 19" or larger with 8ms or less response time |
| 03:51.46 | JeffM2501 | the 24 will be a dell |
| 03:51.49 | Inferno285 | hey, "we" have a viewsonic |
| 03:51.53 | SilentSwan | and i saw an article that viewsonic came out with a 3ms response time lcd |
| 03:51.58 | JeffM2501 | this 19 is 8 ms |
| 03:51.58 | SilentSwan | not sure i'd believe that |
| 03:52.12 | JeffM2501 | it runs about 300 |
| 03:52.19 | JeffM2501 | but it's only 1280 |
| 03:52.30 | SilentSwan | yeah, but so are all the others :( |
| 03:52.32 | Inferno285 | SS, believe what? |
| 03:52.34 | JeffM2501 | I play fast FPS games on it with no problems |
| 03:52.36 | SilentSwan | i can't find anything with higher resolution |
| 03:52.40 | JeffM2501 | 1600 costs a lot more |
| 03:52.44 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 03:52.48 | SilentSwan | a lot more |
| 03:52.49 | JeffM2501 | and I don't think they have the refresh up on those yet |
| 03:53.00 | JeffM2501 | CTRs are still better at some things |
| 03:53.04 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 03:53.12 | SilentSwan | well, on a 19" screen, 1280 should be ok |
| 03:53.16 | RPG_ | ...like in making your eyes sweat |
| 03:53.21 | SilentSwan | a larger screen, no way |
| 03:53.44 | JeffM2501 | I used to run 1600 |
| 03:53.57 | JeffM2501 | I went down to 1280 beause this one is so very crisp |
| 03:54.05 | JeffM2501 | and wickedly bright |
| 03:54.23 | SilentSwan | which model? |
| 03:54.28 | SilentSwan | bright.. hmmm |
| 03:54.30 | SilentSwan | bad for photo editing |
| 03:54.36 | JeffM2501 | VA902b |
| 03:54.42 | SilentSwan | see that's the catch.. i'll need to do photo editing a lot... |
| 03:54.49 | JeffM2501 | it has a very large brightness range |
| 03:54.51 | SilentSwan | so colour balance and accuracy are VERY important |
| 03:55.00 | JeffM2501 | this comes with ballance stuff |
| 03:55.06 | JeffM2501 | I use it for photoshop |
| 03:55.36 | JeffM2501 | has a very very even screen brighness too |
| 03:55.40 | JeffM2501 | over it's entire surface |
| 03:55.44 | SilentSwan | good |
| 03:56.36 | Inferno285 | SilentSwan, what are you doing with photoediting? |
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| 03:57.03 | SilentSwan | i'm an amateur photographer |
| 03:57.22 | SilentSwan | i need accurate rendering of colour and especially tones in greyscale |
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| 03:57.45 | SilentSwan | i wonder if those calibration gadgets work properly with LCD |
| 03:57.46 | Inferno285 | i c |
| 03:57.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd go look at one first |
| 03:57.51 | JeffM2501 | I like this one |
| 03:57.51 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 03:57.59 | JeffM2501 | it was good enought for me to go to a lower res |
| 03:58.06 | purple_cow | SilentSwan: they should. all they end up doing is build an ICC profile |
| 03:58.13 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 03:59.30 | Inferno285 | shutting down, it's late. Bye |
| 03:59.35 | SilentSwan | bye |
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| 04:01.27 | SilentSwan | jeez, viewsonic's web page won't load |
| 04:02.37 | JeffM2501 | how does one take a screen shot in the OS in OSX? |
| 04:02.56 | SilentSwan | um... i forget... hang on |
| 04:03.28 | SilentSwan | applications -> Utilities -> Grab |
| 04:03.43 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 04:03.55 | JeffM2501 | I thought it used to be a key shortcut thing |
| 04:04.04 | SilentSwan | i don't know |
| 04:04.09 | SilentSwan | i've used it like twice |
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| 04:04.35 | SilentSwan | i really hate when i walk into a room full of electronic stuff and notice the pungent smell of electronics gone bad... |
| 04:04.41 | SilentSwan | and i'm suspecting the power supply on the mac |
| 04:05.08 | JeffM2501 | if it's the stink, it's a capacitor |
| 04:05.13 | SilentSwan | which is, of course, an apple-specific power supply, so i will have to go to apple to get a replacement at some ridiculously inflated price |
| 04:05.14 | JeffM2501 | PSs have big ones |
| 04:05.25 | SilentSwan | smells like burnt carbon |
| 04:05.28 | JeffM2501 | ebay |
| 04:07.45 | SilentSwan | yeah, definitely coming from the mac... |
| 04:07.48 | SilentSwan | not sure what part, though |
| 04:08.49 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: not necessarily. resistors and ICs stink just as bad |
| 04:09.07 | SilentSwan | video card is hotter than hell |
| 04:09.20 | SilentSwan | ATI 9800 pro |
| 04:10.48 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, caps are full of that goo |
| 04:10.51 | JeffM2501 | that burns |
| 04:11.23 | SilentSwan | i've never noticed a smell from it before |
| 04:11.28 | SilentSwan | and have had caps blow |
| 04:11.33 | bryjen | ~spell electrolitic |
| 04:11.41 | SilentSwan | with a 'y' :) |
| 04:12.09 | purple_cow | just about all electronic components will smell bad when they burn |
| 04:12.30 | SilentSwan | eek |
| 04:12.42 | purple_cow | it's just that for a few years, caps were the most likely thing, due to that whole corporate espionage boondoggle |
| 04:12.49 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, most things in general smell when they burn :) |
| 04:13.33 | bryjen | fumes from melty plastic casings... |
| 04:14.07 | SilentSwan | oh that's a totally different aroma |
| 04:14.33 | SilentSwan | and no, i've not blown up this many things :) My father was an electronics wiz |
| 04:14.37 | I_Died_Once | How about Surgeon General |
| 04:14.42 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 04:15.06 | SilentSwan | then he'll have to put a warning in his sig: "BZFlag has been shown to be highly addictive..." |
| 04:15.12 | I_Died_Once | I finally got the old CVS I was looking for |
| 04:15.16 | I_Died_Once | w00+ |
| 04:15.46 | lan56 | "...which could cause lost time spent on more important things..." :) |
| 04:15.50 | I_Died_Once | \/\/ ( ) ( ) ^|^ |
| 04:16.07 | SilentSwan | that's why i don't play anymore :) |
| 04:16.12 | bryjen | aua, JeffM2501 is no longer untoppable |
| 04:16.22 | SilentSwan | that and my only computer capable of playing it is not working as well as i'd like |
| 04:16.28 | SilentSwan | that problem soon to be resolved |
| 04:16.45 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 04:16.48 | I_Died_Once | Jeff took my custom rank away from me |
| 04:17.23 | SilentSwan | custom ranks? Can I have "Goddess of Bitterness and Rage"? |
| 04:17.56 | I_Died_Once | <~~ AssHat Extrordonaire |
| 04:18.00 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 04:18.41 | I_Died_Once | I need to use my actual Darth Vader name on the boards if I wanna use the rank |
| 04:19.50 | SilentSwan | by the way, please excuse the curry smell - my friend and i had indian food this evening |
| 04:19.55 | SilentSwan | *burp* mmm... |
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| 04:20.57 | bryjen | hrm... 16 variations on "Jah Master" |
| 04:21.34 | SilentSwan | hmm.. i once did 3 variations on a theme by bach |
| 04:21.34 | I_Died_Once | can you tell when the last time the name was used successfully? |
| 04:21.57 | I_Died_Once | like for global lonigs? |
| 04:22.05 | I_Died_Once | like for global logins? |
| 04:22.08 | I_Died_Once | ***oops |
| 04:23.25 | I_Died_Once | cause i would suggest deleting them if they aint been used but once |
| 04:24.25 | SilentSwan | anyone know a decent pdf viewer for kde? |
| 04:24.35 | SilentSwan | well, for any environment... but linux |
| 04:25.07 | I_Died_Once | acrobat reader |
| 04:25.11 | SilentSwan | well, no |
| 04:25.17 | SilentSwan | it's linux on sparc |
| 04:25.19 | SilentSwan | so no binary |
| 04:25.21 | I_Died_Once | kde-apps.org |
| 04:25.22 | I_Died_Once | hold on |
| 04:25.26 | SilentSwan | ah yeah |
| 04:25.30 | bryjen | doesn't kde come with one? kpdf? |
| 04:25.35 | SilentSwan | ugh |
| 04:25.41 | SilentSwan | it may come to my having to install that |
| 04:25.53 | I_Died_Once | kde should say "screw it" and do their own distro |
| 04:26.03 | bryjen | donno if that's "decent" or not |
| 04:26.07 | SilentSwan | oh god, all we need... yet another linux distro |
| 04:26.25 | I_Died_Once | thats half the joke |
| 04:26.51 | I_Died_Once | I wish someone would come out with a specific for kids distro |
| 04:27.52 | SilentSwan | *sigh* well.. guess it's kpdf |
| 04:39.09 | I_Died_Once | anyone here use amarok? |
| 04:40.00 | SilentSwan | i have used it infrequently |
| 04:40.10 | SilentSwan | don't know if i can be of any help with it |
| 04:40.34 | I_Died_Once | i'm wondering where it stores the album covers it downloads |
| 04:41.02 | SilentSwan | is there a .amarok directory in your $HOME? |
| 04:41.24 | I_Died_Once | no |
| 04:41.45 | SilentSwan | hmm... |
| 04:41.53 | I_Died_Once | I got 18.554 songs in my collection |
| 04:41.54 | SilentSwan | maybe somewhere in .kde? |
| 04:42.12 | SilentSwan | that's a lot |
| 04:42.32 | SilentSwan | pick one of the names of the songs and do a search... see what turns up |
| 04:43.29 | I_Died_Once | yes!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:43.40 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 04:43.41 | I_Died_Once | /home/big dick/.kde/share/apps/amarok/albumcovers |
| 04:43.51 | SilentSwan | nice username... i think |
| 04:44.12 | I_Died_Once | I'm setting this other one up and thats his |
| 04:44.21 | SilentSwan | ah :P |
| 04:44.30 | I_Died_Once | this one is despaire |
| 04:44.35 | I_Died_Once | *dispair |
| 04:44.38 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 04:44.40 | SilentSwan | now that sounds like something i'd use |
| 04:44.50 | SilentSwan | but i use "cygnus" |
| 04:45.37 | I_Died_Once | I wanna do a samuel jackson logon and it be "/home/bad mother ******/" with a custom theme, sounds... wallpaper |
| 04:45.49 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 04:45.52 | I_Died_Once | I get bored and do different users sometimes |
| 04:46.02 | I_Died_Once | I did alot on windows anyway |
| 04:46.05 | SilentSwan | i change mine once in a while... i get bored, too |
| 04:46.26 | SilentSwan | i'd used engelchen for the longest time... but i decided that since i'm no angel, it wasn't fitting :) |
| 04:46.34 | SilentSwan | but it's based on my last name |
| 04:47.27 | SilentSwan | which, now that i've said that much, i may as well just say is "Engel" and be done with it haha |
| 04:47.34 | I_Died_Once | heh |
| 04:47.43 | I_Died_Once | and in "Laura Engal" ? |
| 04:47.46 | I_Died_Once | **as in |
| 04:48.01 | SilentSwan | with an 'e', not an 'a' |
| 04:49.01 | SilentSwan | i used to be rather secretive,but these days, i don't give a damn if anyone knows my name. |
| 04:49.06 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 04:52.50 | SilentSwan | stupid time change has screwed up my whole biological clock |
| 04:52.57 | SilentSwan | which, mind you, wasn't functioning very well to begin with |
| 05:03.24 | bryjen | a furry one from under the couch? |
| 05:04.58 | SilentSwan | *oof* |
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| 12:52.18 | jmjones | is this a bzflag dev channel, or user (or both)? |
| 12:52.46 | Tupone | dev channel, and help channel |
| 12:53.45 | Tupone | most users park here, but for casual chat , use #bzchat |
| 12:54.06 | jmjones | cool - actually, i was looking to hack on the source, so this is probably the right place for me. |
| 12:54.33 | jmjones | i'm trying to tinker around with the radar view, specifically trying to create an indication of what direction each tank is pointing. |
| 12:55.02 | jmjones | i've never coded opengl stuff and actually not too much c++, so please pardon my ignorance. |
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| 12:55.34 | devster | doesnt it already show that? |
| 12:55.37 | Tupone | you know ... any visual help that is not foreseen in the game is considered a cheat if played on public server |
| 12:55.52 | Tupone | devster: not any tank |
| 12:56.01 | Tupone | only yours |
| 12:56.08 | devster | i've sure i can see the turrets |
| 12:56.13 | devster | unless its just me going mad |
| 12:56.15 | jmjones | well - i thought if it worked, it might not be a bad thing to put into the main tree... |
| 12:56.29 | Tupone | hehe, how many zoom level ? |
| 12:56.31 | jmjones | make the game more interesting and all.... |
| 12:57.33 | jmjones | i tried modifying RadarRenderer::drawTank, but i can only get it to put up an indicator on my tank's place holding position before i join a game (locally, of course :-) for the first time. |
| 12:57.36 | Tupone | devster: to see the turret you have to zoom a lot, so you see only one tank |
| 12:58.18 | jmjones | what you're talking about, zooming to see a turret, is that drawn by drawFancyTank() |
| 12:58.19 | jmjones | ? |
| 12:58.30 | devster | is it possible to disable udp? |
| 12:58.50 | Tupone | jmjones: we already have the code in. But we specifically make that code unuseful |
| 12:59.13 | jmjones | Tupone oh - is it in CVSHEAD? |
| 12:59.22 | Tupone | it is in 2.0 |
| 12:59.32 | Tupone | you already have. Just zoom a lot |
| 12:59.43 | jmjones | oh - ok..... |
| 13:00.30 | Tupone | devster: bzflag should detect if udp does not works, and use tcp in case |
| 13:00.33 | jmjones | i'm trying to learn C++, hopefully for work, so i was trying to come up with some kind of project...thought i would try to implement some ideas i had for bzflag.. |
| 13:00.44 | devster | Tupone: can you specifically disable it ? |
| 13:01.07 | Tupone | you mean client? I think so |
| 13:01.37 | devster | how? |
| 13:01.45 | devster | and would that make the pings not use udp? |
| 13:03.32 | Tupone | there is a variable in config.cfg called udpnet . Perhaps is that |
| 13:03.45 | devster | hmm k |
| 13:04.06 | Tupone | some server do not allow you to play without udp |
| 13:06.21 | devster | k |
| 13:09.40 | devster | hmm didnt work or didnt fix the ping issue |
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| 13:21.13 | Thumper_ | hostbans seem to force shortban durations even for local.admin |
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| 13:36.28 | Thumper_ | hi SC |
| 13:38.58 | jpa- | thumpy |
| 13:39.51 | SportChick | good morning thumper |
| 13:40.31 | Thumper_ | hi jpa |
| 13:41.00 | jpa- | Thumper_: how come i haven't seen anyone (bambi etc.) on olympics server for ages? |
| 13:41.21 | Thumper_ | jpa-: you are in the wrong timezone :E |
| 13:41.59 | jpa- | :( |
| 13:42.52 | Thumper_ | they don't see you either |
| 13:43.17 | jpa- | oh, i thought it worked only one way |
| 13:43.39 | jpa- | so how'd you define which timezone is right or wrong? :) |
| 13:43.39 | Thumper_ | maybe if you actually joined it... you'd see someone ;) :E |
| 13:43.51 | Thumper_ | same way you do... mine is right. |
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| 14:51.32 | Grumbler | http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html |
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| 15:04.07 | brlcad | Grumbler: neat |
| 15:05.20 | Grumbler | some useful ammo.....only issue is that its windows -centric...... |
| 15:05.46 | Grumbler | i was surprized by the number of AMD machines |
| 15:10.56 | Tupone | brlcad: about shot, I was thinking ... I have the opposite ideas: not shot message containing tank data (speed, and pos). But Tank data with 1 more number: the shot number I'm shooting if any |
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| 15:15.57 | brlcad | Tupone: not only does that sound backwards, it sounds backwards .. :) |
| 15:16.07 | brlcad | and possibly inefficient |
| 15:16.21 | Tupone | for a word more? |
| 15:17.06 | brlcad | what do you mean by "tank data with 1 more number"? |
| 15:17.08 | Tupone | MsgPlayerUpdateMessage+ShotId |
| 15:17.11 | brlcad | are you talking about the playerupdate packets or the shot packets? |
| 15:17.19 | brlcad | that's what I thought you meant |
| 15:17.53 | brlcad | there is easily an order of magnitude more playerupdates than there are shot packets |
| 15:18.26 | brlcad | so adding a single extra num to a playerupdate would be like adding 5-15 nums to shot packets.. |
| 15:19.01 | brlcad | and what does it get you when they're not shooting? |
| 15:19.03 | Tupone | so you mean we have 1 word more ... for any packet, but we have even the length there, or we could change the Msgid for giving those extra length update |
| 15:19.56 | Tupone | we could use the lenght to says if it is with or without the shotid, or just make a new msgid |
| 15:20.12 | brlcad | what's it doing for you though? |
| 15:20.17 | brlcad | why? |
| 15:21.06 | Tupone | you said to add the playerupdatemsg to the shot, I'm saying to sometime add the shot to the playerupdate message |
| 15:21.23 | Tupone | there is no big difference :) |
| 15:21.31 | brlcad | sure there is :) |
| 15:22.16 | brlcad | it's useful to know their exact position when I (the server) gets a shot notice, useful for DR, validity checks, etc |
| 15:22.41 | brlcad | the reverse can't be said |
| 15:23.15 | Tupone | hmm, if I do MsgPlayerUpdate+Shot is different from Shot+MsgPlayerUpdate ? |
| 15:23.24 | bryjen | making a new msgid for a message that has position and shotid is just recreating msgshotbegin |
| 15:23.36 | Tupone | yep, I meant that :) |
| 15:23.48 | bryjen | you're coding in circles |
| 15:23.49 | brlcad | right, that's the point of having the shot messages |
| 15:25.08 | brlcad | Tupone: yeah, MsgPlayerUpdate+Shot is different from Shot+MsgPlayerUpdate if only because there are potentially lots of MsgPlayerUpdate and very few Shots .. if you do it only conditionally based on length, then you have what Shot is supposed to be |
| 15:25.09 | Tupone | I want to update the DR, and give shot id. While I saw little difficulty on handling that where we handle the shot, the opposite is more easier |
| 15:26.07 | Tupone | there will be MsgPlayerUpdate without shotid, and playerupdate with shot id. If you like to call them beginshot is the same |
| 15:27.21 | brlcad | but again.. I don't see what that's getting you that the shot packet doesn't provide? |
| 15:27.25 | bryjen | perhaps the code to update the DR needs to be extracted from the MsgPU handling and made a function that's called during MsgPU and MsgSB |
| 15:27.49 | Tupone | brlcad: that does not provide now? |
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| 15:28.29 | Tupone | start position is not aligned with tank |
| 15:28.30 | brlcad | well right now, it's just partial shot information |
| 15:28.47 | Tupone | speed position need to be checked against tank position and is not possible now |
| 15:28.55 | brlcad | i'd think that needs to be full shot information (i.e. include details about start pos/vel, etc) |
| 15:29.10 | Tupone | those are in the MsgPlayerUpdateMsg |
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| 15:29.44 | brlcad | those are ALSO in MsgPlayerUpdateMsg but there's no reason why they can't be put in the shot message too |
| 15:29.54 | brlcad | it's not even necessarily tank info - it's shot info |
| 15:30.11 | brlcad | where the shot was fired from, it's starting velocity vector |
| 15:30.25 | brlcad | sure you can rederive it from the tank details |
| 15:30.34 | brlcad | but it's also a shot parameter |
| 15:30.35 | Tupone | these should be strongly aligned to tank |
| 15:31.07 | Tupone | so I need to update the tank and the shot |
| 15:31.09 | brlcad | sure, so when you pack up a shot, you slap in the tank's pos and vel and they're strongly aligned |
| 15:31.43 | Tupone | and I should restore back the value in the tank and in the shot at the client |
| 15:32.04 | brlcad | just cause it's maybe easier to do the other way around doesn't mean it makes any sense :) |
| 15:32.21 | Tupone | ? |
| 15:32.55 | brlcad | on a high conceptual level, for the DR and shot validation, we just need to know where the tank shot from |
| 15:33.17 | brlcad | the only aspect missing is to add that start info to our shots |
| 15:33.43 | brlcad | there's no problem with the tanks' position updates |
| 15:33.49 | Tupone | no, those are already there. What is missing is the synchronization between the 2 stream of data |
| 15:33.54 | brlcad | other than not getting enough of them fast enough |
| 15:33.59 | Tupone | tank and shot |
| 15:34.59 | brlcad | that would be timestamping |
| 15:35.06 | brlcad | to get syncronization |
| 15:35.36 | brlcad | but even with that, i don't need shot starting info on a position update, I still can use them on shot updates |
| 15:36.02 | Tupone | timestamping will not synchronize them |
| 15:36.23 | Tupone | you could have no tank update at timestamp of shot |
| 15:36.47 | brlcad | which is why "I still can use them on shot updates" |
| 15:37.11 | Tupone | shot update? what is? |
| 15:37.19 | Tupone | for GM? |
| 15:37.21 | brlcad | since that's exactly when I'll need to know exactly where the shot was |
| 15:37.22 | bryjen | isn't that what the DR is for? finding the position of shots and tanks in between update packets? |
| 15:37.40 | brlcad | no, not GM .. shotmsgbegins |
| 15:37.41 | Tupone | DR fail when lagging |
| 15:37.59 | brlcad | heh, that's what DR is for though.. even if it fails :) |
| 15:38.00 | Tupone | well, when jittering |
| 15:38.21 | brlcad | the trick is to implement better dr :) |
| 15:38.59 | brlcad | timestamping and a fully synchronized game state would make dr go worlds better |
| 15:39.19 | brlcad | not to mention the benefit of client-delayed gamestate |
| 15:39.22 | Tupone | naha, unless we buffer for 1 sec ? |
| 15:39.32 | Chestal | the DR is perfect as is without jitter, at least for some metrics |
| 15:39.50 | bryjen | if tank and shot positions are fed into the DR with some time reference, it can take those times into account when you ask it "where are they now?" |
| 15:40.01 | Chestal | ok, and ignoring 1/30ms max delay of course change |
| 15:40.11 | Chestal | eh 1/30s |
| 15:42.13 | Tupone | DR is not there for shot IIRC |
| 15:42.26 | Chestal | shots already trigger DR update |
| 15:42.39 | Chestal | with some FIXME comment |
| 15:42.48 | Chestal | RemotePlayer.cxx 64 |
| 15:44.49 | bryjen | this caused cheater tanks to seems to teleport around the map when they sent faked shots from right behind other tanks :( |
| 15:44.52 | Tupone | hmm I wonder what spee they put there |
| 15:45.38 | Chestal | speed is probably not changed at all |
| 15:45.52 | Chestal | neither is angle |
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| 15:47.42 | spldart | hrm |
| 15:49.32 | Tupone | if speed is not changed, you are put back in a previous place. hmm, what if you are falling and shoot |
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| 15:51.47 | Chestal | Tupone: previous place? when? this code puts tank at position that is right for shot coordinated |
| 15:52.14 | Chestal | of course, it should be exact position the tank is at according to DR anyway without jitter or not yet received course/speed change |
| 15:52.36 | Tupone | I mean a different place where it was without this correction |
| 15:54.49 | Tupone | however adding a MsgPlayerUpdate any shot is not a big network load, unless you have a 100 shot server |
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| 15:55.20 | Tupone | this will make more strength on the shot cheat check |
| 15:55.47 | Chestal | with the additional player update msg, this half-assed DR update in addShot should probably go away |
| 15:55.55 | Tupone | and will synchronize the 2 streams |
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| 17:08.18 | spldart | ~bzfquery 67.10.221.4 |
| 17:09.17 | spldart | old bzadmin doesn't like newest bzfs :confused: had to get newer distro to get bzadmin that would connect to my server from work. |
| 17:09.52 | jpa- | CVS bzfs has new protocol version IIRC |
| 17:10.02 | jpa- | that means 2.1 bzfs |
| 17:10.16 | jpa- | and likewise, 1.10 bzadmin won't work with 2.0 server |
| 17:10.24 | spldart | actually |
| 17:11.22 | spldart | I couldn't connect with old 2.0.2 bzadmin... so I grabbed bzadmin packaged with 2.0.5b2 and it worked perfect first try |
| 17:11.43 | spldart | doesn't make sense but the old one dies and the new one connects all else being equal |
| 17:11.47 | jpa- | hmm.. strange |
| 17:12.14 | jpa- | both from source, or could it be a problem with libraries the binary uses? |
| 17:12.39 | spldart | these are prepackaged bzadmin's for windows.... the bzfs was a fresh compile |
| 17:13.16 | jpa- | eww windows.. sorry, i do not know |
| 17:13.54 | spldart | don't worry about it ... it's fixed.. just noting it and seeing if anyone could enlighten me as to why ;) |
| 17:14.05 | spldart | windows=work |
| 17:14.12 | spldart | dual boot = home |
| 17:14.17 | spldart | server = linux only |
| 17:14.18 | bryjen | there were some new messages added to 2.0 bzfs. the bzflag client didn't need modification, but other things might be more strict. |
| 17:14.30 | jpa- | life = nowhere :) |
| 17:14.30 | spldart | work will be dual boot at next reinstall of windows |
| 17:15.01 | spldart | hehe |
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| 17:17.29 | bryjen | err, or more clearly, the older 2.0.x bzflag clients just ignore the new message types |
| 17:21.55 | spldart | well... my 2.0.2 bzadmin would sit for a bit then shutdown.... the bzadmin with 2.0.5 with the exact same info entered (name, addy, port) would connect instantly... both bzflag clients are working fine though so dunno |
| 17:23.11 | spldart | My first served file.... http://67.10.221.4:91/howwouldyouliketosuckmyballs.avi |
| 17:23.15 | spldart | apache 1.3 |
| 17:23.54 | spldart | samba works great too so I can edit my bzflag configuration and change maps etc from other machines and not have any gui clicky anything on server :) |
| 17:24.22 | bryjen | uhm... ok |
| 17:25.25 | spldart | hrm.... |
| 17:25.45 | spldart | i wonder why it says div4 instead of divx4 |
| 17:25.48 | spldart | meh |
| 17:25.51 | spldart | southpark ownz me |
| 17:26.19 | spldart | in case anyone is scared of the file it's cartman and mr garrison |
| 17:26.29 | spldart | in the classroom |
| 17:26.31 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:27.39 | spldart | grr |
| 17:27.46 | spldart | wonder what messed up it's properties |
| 17:28.39 | spldart | craptastic... |
| 17:28.57 | spldart | will have to change my .conf file when I get home |
| 17:29.00 | spldart | hehehehe |
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| 17:40.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 17:47.10 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 17:50.02 | spldart | would jeffm2501 please be so kind as to change the spldart.bakadigital to 67.10.221.4 ? :) |
| 17:51.25 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup spldart.bakadigital.com |
| 17:51.38 | JeffM2501 | that's what it was |
| 17:51.50 | spldart | really? |
| 17:52.00 | spldart | hrm... hasn't worked in a long time :( |
| 17:52.09 | JeffM2501 | then it tain't the DNS |
| 17:52.17 | spldart | Ok... |
| 17:52.26 | spldart | thanks for checking on that |
| 17:52.39 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 17:52.46 | spldart | I had been down for a while during the hurricane and thought my ip had changed when I got back online |
| 17:52.52 | spldart | let me check something |
| 17:53.06 | spldart | ~bzfquery spldart.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 17:53.12 | spldart | sweet |
| 17:53.20 | spldart | something on my end then |
| 17:53.28 | spldart | again thanks for your moment in time ;) |
| 17:56.05 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:56.30 | spldart | server still starts getting busier as I approach lunchtime :) |
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| 18:09.22 | Thumper_ | hey jeff |
| 18:09.35 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 18:09.36 | Thumper_ | since when are non-member groups available for viewing on bzbb ? |
| 18:09.51 | JeffM2501 | open groups are viewable |
| 18:09.59 | Thumper_ | so are closed groups |
| 18:10.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:10.14 | Thumper_ | this is new methinks |
| 18:10.19 | JeffM2501 | sometimes they get missclicked when they are made |
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| 18:10.31 | JeffM2501 | what group? |
| 18:10.33 | Thumper_ | um I can see most of them |
| 18:10.41 | Thumper_ | developers for instance |
| 18:10.47 | JeffM2501 | developers is closed |
| 18:10.50 | JeffM2501 | it's allways been visable |
| 18:10.53 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 18:11.23 | Thumper_ | guess I just didn't notice before then |
| 18:13.27 | JeffM2501 | sometimes I screw up and make server groups closed instead of hidden |
| 18:13.33 | JeffM2501 | but there are some groups that are visable |
| 18:14.54 | Thumper_ | ok thanks. for some reason I thought developers was hidden |
| 18:15.12 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 18:15.17 | JeffM2501 | we want people to know who we are |
| 18:15.19 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: macedit.cpp seems to need a #include "openGL.h" |
| 18:15.22 | Thumper_ | yeah I figured :) |
| 18:15.28 | Thumper_ | after stopping to actually think about it |
| 18:15.31 | JeffM2501 | macedit? |
| 18:15.34 | JeffM2501 | what is that? |
| 18:15.43 | ToughShooter | err, mapedit.cpp |
| 18:15.48 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 18:15.52 | ToughShooter | sry :( |
| 18:15.55 | JeffM2501 | it should get it when it includes the view |
| 18:16.03 | JeffM2501 | the OSX version is jacked up |
| 18:16.09 | JeffM2501 | GL is not happy |
| 18:18.23 | ToughShooter | well, I saw this fixes a compiling error on that file. maybe I better prevent myself to make comments |
| 18:23.37 | JeffM2501 | what version of OSX are you on? |
| 18:23.43 | JeffM2501 | cus it compiles fine for me |
| 18:23.46 | JeffM2501 | under 10.4 |
| 18:24.42 | JeffM2501 | mapedit.cpp DOES include openGL.h |
| 18:24.50 | JeffM2501 | it's right after the mapedit.h |
| 18:25.02 | JeffM2501 | right before text utils |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | you sure you have current code? |
| 18:25.51 | ToughShooter | I run 10.4.2 with a brand new checkout |
| 18:26.06 | ToughShooter | XCode 2.0, IIRC |
| 18:26.09 | JeffM2501 | checkout from where? |
| 18:26.32 | ToughShooter | sourceforge |
| 18:26.36 | JeffM2501 | I gethered that |
| 18:26.45 | JeffM2501 | but what project and what dir on sourceforge :) |
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| 18:27.43 | ToughShooter | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login; cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P tools |
| 18:28.02 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:28.17 | JeffM2501 | what is on line 6 of your mapedit.cpp? |
| 18:29.44 | ToughShooter | hrm, there it is :o |
| 18:29.56 | JeffM2501 | what is the compile error you get? |
| 18:30.10 | ToughShooter | ...figures out that xcode showed the wrong file, or rather he read the wrong file |
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| 18:31.36 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/412422 so it was worldRender.h which should need the include |
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| 18:36.36 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Am I finally correct? :o |
| 18:37.18 | JeffM2501 | the h needs it? |
| 18:37.23 | ToughShooter | yes |
| 18:37.37 | JeffM2501 | it shoudln't |
| 18:37.43 | JeffM2501 | the h dosn't have any GL code in it |
| 18:37.52 | JeffM2501 | the cpp does, but it includes it |
| 18:38.08 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 18:38.10 | JeffM2501 | no there it is |
| 18:38.13 | JeffM2501 | it's the ID thing |
| 18:38.15 | JeffM2501 | yes it needs it |
| 18:38.22 | JeffM2501 | that's a new thing I haven't built on the mac yet |
| 18:38.25 | JeffM2501 | good catch |
| 18:38.30 | ToughShooter | worldRenderer.h uses GL_INVALID_ID |
| 18:38.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:38.44 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts brand new :) |
| 18:38.45 | ToughShooter | yay :) |
| 18:39.01 | ToughShooter | besides my descriptions need to be better |
| 18:39.25 | RPG_ | is the geforce 6600 GT a good card? |
| 18:39.29 | JeffM2501 | I have 2 |
| 18:39.36 | JeffM2501 | they are ok midrange cards |
| 18:39.46 | JeffM2501 | if you can afford it get a 6800 |
| 18:39.53 | RPG_ | too late :) |
| 18:40.14 | RPG_ | what FPS do you get in BZ with SLI off? |
| 18:41.30 | JeffM2501 | depends on the map |
| 18:41.52 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have now? |
| 18:42.25 | RPG_ | i got a radeon 9250, AGP 8x |
| 18:42.34 | JeffM2501 | it will be faster |
| 18:42.39 | RPG_ | a friend gave me $750 for a goos sytem, i got him the 6600 GT |
| 18:42.42 | RPG_ | with a nice ASUS |
| 18:42.45 | RPG_ | forgot the model number |
| 18:42.59 | JeffM2501 | AGP or PCIE? |
| 18:43.03 | RPG_ | PCIE |
| 18:43.09 | RPG_ | only 1 card though |
| 18:43.31 | JeffM2501 | there are many better cards |
| 18:43.35 | JeffM2501 | but it is not a horible card |
| 18:44.03 | RPG_ | but for under $200? |
| 18:46.25 | ToughShooter | apple wants 1650$ more than a computer with geforce 6600 with 256mb ram for it :o |
| 18:46.42 | JeffM2501 | for bzflag? |
| 18:46.43 | JeffM2501 | not much |
| 18:47.00 | JeffM2501 | 1) bz isn't going to fill the ram in even a 64 meg card |
| 18:47.05 | JeffM2501 | 2) we don't use shaders |
| 18:47.09 | ToughShooter | seriously I wouldn't want that card ;) |
| 18:47.17 | JeffM2501 | the quadros have some crap driers |
| 18:47.37 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, radeon x800 refurbs go for 180 often |
| 18:48.01 | RPG_ | i have something against buying refurbs though |
| 18:48.06 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:48.10 | JeffM2501 | these are from ATI |
| 18:48.12 | JeffM2501 | full waranty |
| 18:48.14 | RPG_ | the concept that they've been "broken" and then "refixed" just doens't sui tme |
| 18:48.21 | RPG_ | oh |
| 18:48.23 | RPG_ | well warranty... |
| 18:48.33 | JeffM2501 | usualy it's just the ram that goes bad |
| 18:48.43 | JeffM2501 | so the pull the ram put new ram on it and it's good again |
| 18:48.49 | JeffM2501 | ether that or cooling system failures |
| 18:49.25 | *** join/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=silent@adsl-65-42-91-129.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 18:50.39 | Thumper_ | uncontrolled honking |
| 18:50.47 | devster | JeffM2501: is there a way to see fps in bzflag? |
| 18:50.49 | SilentSwan | wouldn't you like to know :) |
| 18:50.51 | JeffM2501 | t |
| 18:50.59 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, that is why I asked :) |
| 18:51.17 | SilentSwan | well... fresh water bugs, aquatic plants... |
| 18:51.20 | RPG_ | devster: press 't' |
| 18:51.27 | RPG_ | bread from strangers! |
| 18:51.32 | ToughShooter | BTW: What is that time describing that comes up when I press y? |
| 18:53.00 | orange | isn't it 1/fps? |
| 18:53.13 | ToughShooter | Is that jitter, added lag due to too low FPS or something completly other? |
| 18:53.26 | RPG_ | video card lag IIRC |
| 18:53.41 | RPG_ | how many seconds it takes to produce a single frame, maybe |
| 18:53.56 | ToughShooter | That could explain my jitter then |
| 18:54.14 | RPG_ | heh |
| 18:54.15 | RPG_ | wha'ts it at? |
| 18:54.30 | ToughShooter | the number goes up and down from 1ms to 15ms |
| 18:55.05 | RPG_ | pretty good |
| 18:55.08 | RPG_ | i wouldn't call that |
| 18:55.10 | RPG_ | 'jitter' |
| 18:55.22 | JeffM2501 | no it's time per frame |
| 18:55.30 | orange | so it's spf versus fps |
| 18:55.34 | ToughShooter | I always have 1ms jitter for whatever reason |
| 18:55.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:55.41 | devster | mmm 250fps :) |
| 18:56.08 | JeffM2501 | not like it's pushing that much geo |
| 18:56.16 | ToughShooter | even with >200FPS I get 1ms jitter |
| 18:56.27 | orange | well, who doesn't? |
| 18:56.33 | ToughShooter | not that that would disturb me |
| 18:56.36 | orange | almost nobody gets 0 jitter |
| 18:56.48 | JeffM2501 | there is a minumum granularity in measurement |
| 18:56.49 | RPG_ | are you tlaking about on lagstats you get that jitter? |
| 18:57.06 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, did it build for you? |
| 18:57.10 | JeffM2501 | and if so did it run |
| 18:57.14 | JeffM2501 | and if so, do you like the icon :) |
| 18:57.47 | orange | error: stack full, too many nested ifs |
| 18:57.56 | RPG_ | i'd like to see what ice wewe does to your sig now jeffm |
| 18:57.57 | JeffM2501 | dude your compiler sucks |
| 18:57.59 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=Birdie__@d54C34DE9.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:58.19 | JeffM2501 | if he steals another sig, he will lose his sig displaying privilges |
| 18:58.26 | JeffM2501 | I worked hard on the mini tank one |
| 18:58.33 | JeffM2501 | specificly to make it unique |
| 18:58.36 | RPG_ | it looked pretty cool too |
| 18:58.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:58.44 | JeffM2501 | I realy liked it |
| 18:58.50 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: No, it doesn't like osxapp.cpp but I remember one time it had build |
| 18:59.11 | JeffM2501 | what does it like there? |
| 18:59.48 | JeffM2501 | could also use help seting up the GTK side |
| 19:00.11 | JeffM2501 | I'm hoping I can convince a brlcad to take a look at it when he has time |
| 19:00.48 | JeffM2501 | every time he helps me I gain more understanding |
| 19:01.18 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I would comment out line 277 |
| 19:01.26 | ToughShooter | then only the keydown stuff would not work |
| 19:01.54 | ToughShooter | commandkey* |
| 19:01.55 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do anything with keys now |
| 19:04.03 | ToughShooter | yeah, but it tells it isn't declared in this scope |
| 19:04.13 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 19:04.17 | JeffM2501 | it's an OSX enum |
| 19:04.38 | JeffM2501 | oh command key |
| 19:04.39 | JeffM2501 | got it |
| 19:04.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:04.44 | JeffM2501 | that's older code |
| 19:04.52 | JeffM2501 | I didn't commit my changes from the weekend |
| 19:05.26 | JeffM2501 | it's cmdKey |
| 19:06.35 | ToughShooter | now it compiles |
| 19:06.50 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:07.08 | ToughShooter | but it only draws a strange thing after moving the window or closing the about box |
| 19:07.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:07.18 | JeffM2501 | that is my problem |
| 19:07.23 | JeffM2501 | the GL context dosn't init right |
| 19:07.38 | JeffM2501 | that is what I need help with |
| 19:07.38 | ToughShooter | I can't help with that |
| 19:07.53 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm hoping for help from brlcad from |
| 19:08.06 | JeffM2501 | I did it as close to the gl sample that I could |
| 19:08.12 | JeffM2501 | but I must have missed something |
| 19:08.25 | ToughShooter | You could try to flush the window buffer but I don't remember how that can be done |
| 19:08.41 | JeffM2501 | that's why I want the carbon book |
| 19:08.47 | JeffM2501 | to know the basics of the event loop |
| 19:08.57 | JeffM2501 | samples are fine and dandy, but sometimes i need a refrence |
| 19:09.41 | ToughShooter | Do you do the graphics native? |
| 19:10.03 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:10.15 | ToughShooter | Using SDL? |
| 19:10.25 | JeffM2501 | again huh? |
| 19:10.30 | JeffM2501 | SDL isn't used in the editor |
| 19:10.31 | JeffM2501 | it's all GL |
| 19:19.02 | ToughShooter | maybe http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/AGLSurfaceTexture/AGLSurfaceTexture.html can help |
| 19:19.46 | JeffM2501 | no, I don't need to render to a texture |
| 19:19.48 | JeffM2501 | thanks tho |
| 19:20.01 | JeffM2501 | the code follows the basic AGL sample |
| 19:20.05 | JeffM2501 | I just must have messed up |
| 19:20.07 | JeffM2501 | and missed it |
| 19:20.15 | RPG_ | lk |
| 19:20.20 | RPG_ | oops |
| 19:20.32 | RPG_ | binaryspike's iBZEdit seems to be coming along |
| 19:21.01 | JeffM2501 | he is geting some basics done yeah |
| 19:21.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't think he's concentrating in the right areas |
| 19:21.18 | JeffM2501 | but at least he's learning new stuff |
| 19:21.18 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 19:21.35 | RPG_ | how's that mapedit tool coming? |
| 19:21.47 | JeffM2501 | that's what we've been talking about |
| 19:21.51 | RPG_ | I can't compile it, and never took the time to figure out why |
| 19:21.53 | JeffM2501 | I have GL issues in OSX |
| 19:21.56 | RPG_ | some missing includes |
| 19:21.57 | RPG_ | oh |
| 19:22.04 | JeffM2501 | you need libIL |
| 19:22.15 | RPG_ | got that |
| 19:22.19 | RPG_ | it was an internal header |
| 19:22.21 | RPG_ | i'll try again |
| 19:22.25 | JeffM2501 | should work fine |
| 19:22.34 | JeffM2501 | it will read maps |
| 19:22.37 | JeffM2501 | and write them |
| 19:22.40 | JeffM2501 | and draw the boxes :) |
| 19:22.43 | JeffM2501 | that's about it |
| 19:22.47 | JeffM2501 | it's not much of an "editor" |
| 19:23.19 | RPG_ | are you planning to make it do everything like physics drivers, mashes, dyncol's, and spinning teaxtureSA? |
| 19:23.42 | JeffM2501 | the map parser supports any object |
| 19:23.48 | JeffM2501 | even object it dosnt' know about |
| 19:24.09 | JeffM2501 | any object it dosn't have an edit handler for, will show as a text itme that can be edited |
| 19:24.09 | RPG_ | is it in a new repository in CVS? |
| 19:24.16 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:24.33 | RPG_ | BZFlagG3D/tools/mapedit/ ? |
| 19:24.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:24.43 | JeffM2501 | g3d is dead |
| 19:24.47 | SilentSwan | aw |
| 19:24.48 | JeffM2501 | tools/bzedit/ |
| 19:24.57 | JeffM2501 | well not dead |
| 19:24.59 | JeffM2501 | moved :) |
| 19:25.01 | RPG_ | ahh |
| 19:25.06 | JeffM2501 | and split up |
| 19:25.10 | RPG_ | the CIA server is funky today |
| 19:25.15 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 19:27.29 | RPG_ | cool icon :) |
| 19:27.59 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 19:28.05 | RPG_ | win32 |
| 19:28.13 | JeffM2501 | the OSX one is better |
| 19:28.13 | RPG_ | g:\Programs\tools\bzedit\inc\worldRender.h(47) : error C2065: 'GL_INVALID_ID' : undeclared identifier |
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| 19:28.18 | RPG_ | 4 of those errors |
| 19:28.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah I just fixed that |
| 19:28.23 | JeffM2501 | you have to wait |
| 19:28.29 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 19:28.36 | JeffM2501 | or add #include "opengl.h" to the header |
| 19:28.43 | ToughShooter | that reminds me on something ;) |
| 19:28.45 | RPG_ | that works :) |
| 19:29.19 | JeffM2501 | the one thing that it does do that others don't is support groups and instances |
| 19:30.09 | RPG_ | does grouping your objects instead of repeating them in a map file increase the speed that they're rendered in the client? |
| 19:30.24 | JeffM2501 | it can |
| 19:30.34 | JeffM2501 | uses less geometry |
| 19:30.38 | JeffM2501 | as things can share lits |
| 19:30.40 | JeffM2501 | lists |
| 19:30.46 | JeffM2501 | also makes the map smaller |
| 19:31.11 | ToughShooter | I remember my spin bug :( |
| 19:31.37 | JeffM2501 | it also supports the affine transforms |
| 19:31.52 | ToughShooter | spin 270 0 0 1 makes me getting stuck but spin -90 0 0 1 does not :/ |
| 19:32.07 | JeffM2501 | that's a physics bug |
| 19:33.09 | ToughShooter | I wonder if that has been fixed |
| 19:33.34 | JeffM2501 | where was it reported? |
| 19:34.19 | RPG_ | err |
| 19:34.44 | RPG_ | do you know that stuff is drawn out of scale in bzedit? |
| 19:34.54 | JeffM2501 | in the version you have, probably |
| 19:35.01 | JeffM2501 | it's not done |
| 19:35.04 | JeffM2501 | or ever right |
| 19:35.09 | JeffM2501 | by any regards |
| 19:35.49 | JeffM2501 | the drawing is just to make sure it draws SOMETHING |
| 19:39.38 | JeffM2501 | once it is consitent on all OSs then I can work on making it correct to the game |
| 19:39.50 | JeffM2501 | and add in the rest of the objects |
| 19:40.24 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I told it in #bzflag but nowhere else |
| 19:40.39 | JeffM2501 | then noone may have seen it to fix it |
| 19:41.00 | JeffM2501 | while it's fine to mention stuff here, it's best to make sure it's reported on SF as well |
| 19:41.05 | ToughShooter | it affects only like 1/10 of players |
| 19:41.06 | JeffM2501 | so there is tracking |
| 19:41.09 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 19:41.38 | ToughShooter | I was the only Mac user who tried it at all but one linux user got stuck as well |
| 19:42.06 | JeffM2501 | probably hard to duplicate |
| 19:42.15 | JeffM2501 | be cool if you could record it :) |
| 19:42.24 | ToughShooter | I will check whether it has been fixed and if not I'll do a minimum case map and do a report along with that map |
| 19:42.39 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 19:49.11 | ToughShooter | it was -90 which made me stuck and it's still there |
| 19:49.17 | Ice_Wewe | someone was talking towards me? |
| 19:49.37 | JeffM2501 | hey thief how's it going? |
| 19:49.51 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you sure it was the rotation that did it |
| 19:56.02 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 19:58.58 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Look at this nice map: http://pastebin.com/412515 |
| 19:59.54 | ToughShooter | One would think this would work without getting stuck which is false for me |
| 20:00.05 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: question. Why have BZFlag maps not taken another form yet, such as using a format that allows for slopes, and other landscape changes? |
| 20:00.43 | *** join/#bzflag wizatcom (i=the_wiz@pool-162-83-82-145.culp.east.verizon.net) |
| 20:02.44 | JeffM2501 | because you can't read |
| 20:03.22 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, yeah that shoudl work |
| 20:03.25 | JeffM2501 | I'd submit it up |
| 20:03.35 | ToughShooter | I do now |
| 20:03.47 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:05.01 | ToughShooter | as well as the self destruction bug with shooting over the wall (refering to _wallheight and its wall) as soon as I have found out my sourceforge password again |
| 20:05.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:05.48 | ToughShooter | bah, sourceforge has maintainance |
| 20:07.50 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 20:07.53 | Guu | SportChick: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 84°F. |
| 20:07.57 | SportChick | wow |
| 20:07.57 | ToughShooter | they do that intentionally when I want to report bugs :/ |
| 20:08.08 | ToughShooter | !weather EDDF |
| 20:08.09 | Guu | ToughShooter: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 51°F. |
| 20:08.18 | SportChick | I THOUGHT it seemed hot today |
| 20:08.20 | ToughShooter | not so bad for 9PM :) |
| 20:08.45 | ToughShooter | it felt like summer at my town last week |
| 20:10.13 | Ice_Wewe | !weather CYOW |
| 20:10.16 | Guu | Ice_Wewe: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 55°F. |
| 20:16.42 | ToughShooter | sourceforge is back and it's slooow :( |
| 20:17.11 | spldart | !weather ksgr |
| 20:17.12 | ToughShooter | How can I brute force guess my password then? ;) |
| 20:17.14 | Guu | spldart: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 82°F. |
| 20:17.19 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:17.29 | spldart | bout to get wet here too :( |
| 20:18.53 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
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| 20:29.56 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I ran BZFlag with -d -d -d -d and got some nice output from it. My client seems to do continuing low jumps on the platform. |
| 20:31.52 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 20:32.03 | JeffM2501 | sadly I know little about the physcis stuff |
| 20:36.01 | JeffM2501 | ohy the idiots are out in force today |
| 20:42.39 | Ice_Wewe | "JeffM2501 ohy the idiots are out in force today" I assume that implies me? |
| 20:47.10 | JeffM2501 | you feel you are an idiot |
| 20:47.13 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 20:47.26 | JeffM2501 | mostly it's people at work and the xColt45 guy |
| 20:47.33 | JeffM2501 | he's wicked interesting |
| 20:48.03 | JeffM2501 | from an admin standpoint you don't get much attention, you just don't post that much |
| 20:48.23 | JeffM2501 | personaly I am displeased with you because you seem to enjoy stealing things I work hard on making. |
| 20:49.09 | JeffM2501 | you are not dumb, so I don't think you are an idiot |
| 20:49.27 | JeffM2501 | you are woefully misinformed on a number of things |
| 20:55.55 | ToughShooter | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1344274&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 20:56.26 | JeffM2501 | ibot DTRemenak++ |
| 20:56.39 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, coolio |
| 20:58.18 | JeffM2501 | I think the'll let is slide |
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| 21:03.03 | Grumbler | http://www.cenriqueortiz.com/weblog/General/?permalink=Developers-Top-10-replies-when-code-doesnt-work.htm |
| 21:03.20 | Grumbler | thought you'all could use a few more |
| 21:03.35 | *** join/#bzflag WaaronBurglett (i=Waaron@unaffiliated/waaronburglett) |
| 21:03.49 | WaaronBurglett | where can you register your callsign? |
| 21:04.22 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 21:04.27 | WaaronBurglett | thanks |
| 21:04.31 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:10.39 | *** part/#bzflag WaaronBurglett (i=Waaron@unaffiliated/waaronburglett) |
| 21:13.15 | *** join/#bzflag WaaronBurglett (i=Waaron@unaffiliated/waaronburglett) |
| 21:13.23 | WaaronBurglett | what is silvercat's URL |
| 21:13.32 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: That's the map border bug: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1344289&group_id=3248&atid=103248 :) |
| 21:13.34 | WaaronBurglett | and is it okay if i lie a little about my age? |
| 21:13.44 | JeffM2501 | WaaronBurglett, no |
| 21:13.56 | Grumbler | unless you are over 50 |
| 21:13.58 | JeffM2501 | we legaly can not store data for you if you are under 13 |
| 21:14.01 | WaaronBurglett | y not, im almost 13 |
| 21:14.05 | JeffM2501 | dosn't matter |
| 21:14.22 | WaaronBurglett | aww, okay my parents will never approve it |
| 21:14.25 | JeffM2501 | and now that you'v mentioned it, legaly I can't let you sign up with out a COPPA letter of permision |
| 21:14.28 | WaaronBurglett | they think im addicted to it |
| 21:14.29 | JeffM2501 | WaaronBurglett, it's the law |
| 21:14.32 | JeffM2501 | to protect you |
| 21:14.36 | JeffM2501 | WaaronBurglett, probably because you are |
| 21:14.42 | WaaronBurglett | i know |
| 21:14.53 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:15.13 | JeffM2501 | they don't have to give you permision to use the forums, they just have to give US permision to store data about you |
| 21:15.20 | JeffM2501 | like your username, email and password |
| 21:15.26 | ToughShooter | I wonder if that law would apply when the server would not be in america |
| 21:15.38 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, other places have similar laws |
| 21:15.41 | WaaronBurglett | wtf, someone is registered under my e-mail! |
| 21:15.42 | JeffM2501 | some with higher age limits |
| 21:16.49 | ToughShooter | we need servers in antartica :) |
| 21:17.05 | JeffM2501 | 13 isn't a bad age |
| 21:17.27 | DTRemenak | 13 is a horrible age. pretty decent cutoff legally though :) |
| 21:17.43 | WaaronBurglett | what is silvercats url? |
| 21:19.04 | WaaronBurglett | thanks all |
| 21:19.06 | *** part/#bzflag WaaronBurglett (i=Waaron@unaffiliated/waaronburglett) |
| 21:19.24 | JeffM2501 | kids under that probably shouldn't be making accounts at that age anyway |
| 21:19.35 | ToughShooter | I wonder if he wants to register at silvercat forums :/ |
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| 21:30.16 | spldart | my eldest daughters started 'social engineering' on the internet at 10 and 12 :( |
| 21:30.33 | spldart | possibly 10 and 11 |
| 21:31.09 | *** join/#bzflag vuts (n=vuts@140.209.245.213) |
| 21:31.16 | spldart | they are 11.75 and 13.6 now and have highly restricted computer privledges 8-0 |
| 21:33.57 | spldart | little 1337 haxorz |
| 21:34.26 | DTRemenak | hm, kinda reminds me of me. |
| 21:35.25 | spldart | when I was there age I only had a trs-80 model 1 :( |
| 21:36.02 | DTRemenak | bryjen: :) |
| 21:36.15 | DTRemenak | bet you never guessed ;) |
| 21:36.30 | spldart | LOL |
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| 21:37.58 | uso | ToughShooter: chose a server without border like trepan's, works best :), and afair you can kill yourself also without moving the tank |
| 21:38.35 | uso | bug is at sf for a month |
| 21:39.07 | spldart | time to race home... the storms are coming and I'm on the kawasaki |
| 21:39.12 | spldart | cyah |
| 21:40.28 | ToughShooter | uso: Hmm, I haven't seen it yet |
| 21:42.15 | uso | 1310378, although not as good formulated as yours :) |
| 21:42.17 | ToughShooter | uso: Looks like I need to check the older bugs, too. :( |
| 21:43.49 | ToughShooter | uso: yeah, but mine is a duplicate |
| 21:43.56 | ToughShooter | as you pointed out |
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| 22:56.14 | Pimpinella | trepan: do you have a screenie of foggy metropolis somewhere? |
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| 22:58.31 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/dreary.jpg |
| 22:58.59 | Pimpinella | yeah! |
| 22:59.02 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 22:59.04 | Pimpinella | ty |
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| 23:01.56 | Inferno285 | JeffM2501, hm, have you deleted any of my posts today? |
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| 23:02.32 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, probably |
| 23:02.38 | JeffM2501 | you post a LOT of nonsense crap |
| 23:02.48 | JeffM2501 | you do know you arn't an admin on the forums right? |
| 23:02.56 | Inferno285 | yeah... |
| 23:03.14 | JeffM2501 | then best to leave registration issues and request for help to the poeple who can actualy DO soething about it |
| 23:03.29 | JeffM2501 | instead of just adding a post that helps them in no way |
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| 23:03.50 | Inferno285 | I told him your name, and how he could contact ya :S |
| 23:03.56 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 23:04.04 | JeffM2501 | but I don't want peopel asking me directly |
| 23:04.10 | JeffM2501 | that forum was exactly where he was suposed to post |
| 23:04.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the only admin |
| 23:04.23 | JeffM2501 | another could have seen it before I did and taken care of him |
| 23:04.28 | Inferno285 | yeh, I said "active admin" |
| 23:04.32 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mater |
| 23:04.39 | JeffM2501 | just let us take care of it |
| 23:04.39 | Inferno285 | ok, sry |
| 23:04.48 | JeffM2501 | we'll help them out, don't worry :) |
| 23:05.31 | Inferno285 | any other posts that were crap? |
| 23:05.45 | JeffM2501 | you had a number that didn't add anything |
| 23:05.56 | JeffM2501 | mostly just 'lol', "kewl" and other nonsense posts |
| 23:06.14 | JeffM2501 | you, winXP, and Eagle are the top babble posters of october |
| 23:06.15 | Inferno285 | hm, I never posted a "lol" message...ever |
| 23:06.25 | JeffM2501 | it was an example kiddo |
| 23:06.34 | JeffM2501 | just make sure your posts add something to the thread |
| 23:06.38 | PKMOBILE | november will be mine! |
| 23:06.41 | JeffM2501 | as you've been told many times |
| 23:06.43 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:06.54 | JeffM2501 | everyone needs a goal |
| 23:07.06 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, there was also some content pruning recently |
| 23:07.08 | PKMOBILE | my goal is to double the amount of posts i have |
| 23:07.12 | JeffM2501 | so 3 |
| 23:07.13 | PKMOBILE | i believe i have 2 |
| 23:07.18 | JeffM2501 | ahh 4 |
| 23:07.21 | Inferno285 | yeh, I kinda thought my post on registration help was adding. I was wrong about that one |
| 23:07.24 | JeffM2501 | an admirable goal |
| 23:07.29 | PKMOBILE | yeah i have 1.5 posts already |
| 23:07.30 | PKMOBILE | ;-) |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, some threads were delted |
| 23:08.00 | JeffM2501 | they were pointless |
| 23:08.03 | JeffM2501 | and added nothing |
| 23:08.31 | Inferno285 | could you make it automatcly email me when a post is deleted? |
| 23:08.35 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:08.44 | JeffM2501 | if it is delted for a problem, I will PM you |
| 23:08.51 | PKMOBILE | dangit... i only have 1 post |
| 23:08.54 | Inferno285 | ok, thnx |
| 23:09.08 | JeffM2501 | but, no I'm not going to email you on every pruning or deltion that happens |
| 23:09.10 | Inferno285 | I'm sure you don't like to delete my posts all the time... |
| 23:09.16 | JeffM2501 | are you woried about your post count? |
| 23:09.24 | Inferno285 | NO |
| 23:10.18 | Inferno285 | I basicly don't want to be the "bad" guy |
| 23:10.29 | JeffM2501 | if you were the 'bad' guy you would know it |
| 23:10.35 | JeffM2501 | as an admin would have told you |
| 23:10.51 | JeffM2501 | you are one of the munchkins, that's for sure |
| 23:11.02 | Inferno285 | it takes time to get "bad"... |
| 23:11.20 | Inferno285 | I want to sure I'm going in the right direction |
| 23:11.22 | JeffM2501 | when I can scan down the list of last posts in a fourm and it's like ALL you, then you know your a munchkin |
| 23:11.27 | Legoguy | wah didnt realize that 2.0.4 was out :o |
| 23:11.28 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, you are geting better |
| 23:11.30 | JeffM2501 | it will take time |
| 23:11.40 | DTRemenak|RDP | Legoguy: bit "out of the loop" eh? |
| 23:11.41 | JeffM2501 | just learn to chill out |
| 23:11.44 | Legoguy | indeed. |
| 23:11.50 | JeffM2501 | and know you don't have to repply to every single post |
| 23:12.05 | PKMOBILE | sweet... i reached my goal |
| 23:12.20 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:12.22 | JeffM2501 | congrats |
| 23:12.23 | Inferno285 | I have...a 1/8 post ratio |
| 23:12.32 | Legoguy | i've been mixed up with college as of late, i checked out cvs and built it a couple days ago, and i wondered why there were only testing servers in the list :P |
| 23:12.57 | PKMOBILE | i average 0.00 posts a day |
| 23:13.03 | Inferno285 | lol |
| 23:13.10 | Inferno285 | that helps PKMOBILE |
| 23:13.11 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, as I say, if you are a problem, we will be talked to |
| 23:13.22 | Inferno285 | ok, sounds good |
| 23:13.22 | JeffM2501 | remember when you were talked to when you started here? |
| 23:13.37 | Inferno285 | hm, not really? |
| 23:13.58 | JeffM2501 | well you've slept since then, so it's understandable |
| 23:14.44 | Inferno285 | just a hint would do |
| 23:15.04 | JeffM2501 | well posts like "MasterYoda, you can easily "edit" your post instead of adding another one." |
| 23:15.08 | JeffM2501 | that should be a PM man |
| 23:15.12 | JeffM2501 | that post is going to be removed |
| 23:15.18 | JeffM2501 | because it adds NOTHING to the thread |
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| 23:16.07 | Inferno285 | ok, gotcha |
| 23:16.35 | JeffM2501 | think about who the post is to. if would only be of interest to one person, then PM them. |
| 23:16.48 | JeffM2501 | if it would be of interest to everyone posting, and peopel reading, then it's a post |
| 23:16.49 | Grumbler | oooo, updates to tools |
| 23:17.22 | Inferno285 | oh yeh, what about the post-reply to RPG on my perl plugin. |
| 23:18.30 | JeffM2501 | ok, you need to STOP calling those plugins |
| 23:18.30 | Inferno285 | It was mainly to I_died_once and all others interested.... |
| 23:18.33 | JeffM2501 | because they are not |
| 23:18.41 | JeffM2501 | they are perl apps |
| 23:19.13 | Inferno285 | k |
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| 23:20.22 | JeffM2501 | and why anyone would want to slow down there connection thru a perl relay system when a plugin would work is beyond me |
| 23:20.52 | Inferno285 | I guess... |
| 23:21.11 | JeffM2501 | what benifit would it have over an internal plugin? |
| 23:21.21 | DTRemenak|RDP | wouldn't be too hard to write a perl export for the api |
| 23:21.27 | Inferno285 | full control |
| 23:21.27 | JeffM2501 | no it wouldn't |
| 23:21.32 | Inferno285 | easy |
| 23:21.34 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, full controll over what? |
| 23:21.45 | Inferno285 | over the game |
| 23:21.53 | JeffM2501 | not really, since you don't have any game logic |
| 23:21.58 | JeffM2501 | all you have is the input/output |
| 23:22.10 | JeffM2501 | so you can't set things like the internal server score |
| 23:22.24 | JeffM2501 | or the logic used for any state change |
| 23:22.35 | Inferno285 | but I can keep my own track of score, and give my own scores. |
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| 23:22.55 | JeffM2501 | so then your app just becomes the server |
| 23:23.04 | JeffM2501 | and you can do all that in a plugin |
| 23:23.08 | JeffM2501 | so it's not more controll |
| 23:23.10 | JeffM2501 | it's less controll |
| 23:23.18 | JeffM2501 | in a slower more complex system |
| 23:23.18 | nescius | is there autopackage out there for rencent version? |
| 23:23.37 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, just admit the only reason you like the idea is because you don't know C |
| 23:23.38 | Inferno285 | hm, it's only doing certain filters |
| 23:23.48 | Inferno285 | ok, I admit it |
| 23:23.49 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, the plugins can filter too |
| 23:23.59 | Inferno285 | oh |
| 23:24.03 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean that your perl app is a better solution, it just means it's all you know |
| 23:24.25 | JeffM2501 | and as DTR says it should be simple to make a perl parsing plugin |
| 23:24.33 | JeffM2501 | just like the one for python |
| 23:24.44 | Inferno285 | perl parsing plugin? |
| 23:25.00 | JeffM2501 | a C++ plugin that loads a perl script and exposes the API to it, in perl |
| 23:25.07 | JeffM2501 | so you could make real plugins in perl |
| 23:25.14 | Inferno285 | oh, cool |
| 23:25.16 | bryjen | pshaw! |
| 23:25.19 | DTRemenak|RDP | JeffM2501: easier actually. there's a system to set up a perl api based on the header file |
| 23:25.29 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:25.40 | JeffM2501 | and we happen to have that header file :) |
| 23:25.45 | JeffM2501 | there is one for python too |
| 23:25.52 | DTRemenak|RDP | would need some minor modifications to be perl-like |
| 23:25.55 | JeffM2501 | takes a header and generate interfaces |
| 23:26.04 | JeffM2501 | well you could let the plugin be the wraper |
| 23:26.13 | JeffM2501 | so it's totaly optional |
| 23:26.21 | DTRemenak|RDP | suppose so |
| 23:26.40 | JeffM2501 | ether that or your doing what tuopne likes, and that's tying other languages direclty into the app |
| 23:26.45 | JeffM2501 | more dependencys |
| 23:28.00 | JeffM2501 | viable, but difrent |
| 23:29.11 | nescius | can i disturb you with not so serious bug? |
| 23:29.18 | Inferno285 | yeah |
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| 23:30.38 | nescius | when writing arows can switch users and prevously writed text, but they cant invoke current text which i was writing recenty |
| 23:30.46 | PKMOBILE | heres a tongue twister |
| 23:30.55 | PKMOBILE | extended selected restricted availability |
| 23:31.26 | nescius | if something, sorry about my english ;) |
| 23:32.11 | nescius | but i still guess you can understand me |
| 23:32.34 | JeffM2501 | yes if you uparrow to get old text, it wipes out your current text |
| 23:32.40 | JeffM2501 | we don't save it untill you hit enter |
| 23:32.50 | JeffM2501 | it's more of just how the feature is made, not realy a bug |
| 23:34.21 | nescius | i dont think so, if you have not so standard keyboard as i do, this feature will be very annoying |
| 23:35.17 | nescius | why can't escape do the work? |
| 23:35.35 | JeffM2501 | then don't use :) |
| 23:35.41 | JeffM2501 | you can bind any key to any feature |
| 23:35.46 | JeffM2501 | in your config |
| 23:36.40 | nescius | i need this function for sorrytelling ;-) |
| 23:36.55 | nescius | but not the "feature" |
| 23:37.29 | JeffM2501 | the source is available you are free to mod it to your heart's content |
| 23:38.45 | nescius | so what about binding the real feature to line after last line of text |
| 23:39.01 | nescius | ? i mean down key after current text |
| 23:40.09 | DTRemenak|RDP | wouldn't be very difficult to change to bash-like behavior. patches welcome. |
| 23:40.49 | nescius | sorry, C analphabet |
| 23:41.38 | JeffM2501 | too bad there isn't libbash :) |
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| 23:48.43 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: with 2.1.2 CVS a lot of server commands don't work |
| 23:49.23 | brad2901 | /kick, /ban, /mute etc. |
| 23:51.41 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 23:52.00 | JeffM2501 | it's a development version |
| 23:52.08 | JeffM2501 | stuff will get busted as it's moved around |
| 23:52.16 | brad2901 | okay |
| 23:52.50 | JeffM2501 | remember how 1.11.x was when it started? |
| 23:53.44 | brad2901 | yeh ;) |
| 23:54.42 | JeffM2501 | same thing |
| 23:54.52 | brad2901 | ok |
