| 00:00.04 | spldart | and how much of the work this machine has done can I reuse to set up a slow machine on bz? |
| 00:00.57 | spldart | can I grab a whole direcotry out of this machine stick it on an unbearably slow debian install and do minimal work to it to get it running? |
| 00:01.14 | spldart | Like a whole direcotry copy, then make install again? |
| 00:01.28 | devster | i would only if the machines had identical installs |
| 00:02.50 | spldart | both debian sarge netinst... one has had a kernel installed to do smp.... same version but smp, both x, both gnome |
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| 00:03.24 | spldart | I was hoping to copy /home/user/bzflag/ to new machine and then re make install |
| 00:03.25 | devster | you could try it |
| 00:03.31 | devster | but if anything breaks dont blame me :) |
| 00:03.35 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:03.57 | spldart | I can install debian in 30 minutes flat and be browsing the web.... I'm not worried about breaking an install ;) |
| 00:04.00 | devster | i dont think it'll go wrong unless theres libraries either missing / incompatible versions |
| 00:04.11 | spldart | sweet |
| 00:04.42 | spldart | I'm hungry... going for dinner and rebooting to windows for ati tv watching... thanks for the help guys... have a great night :) |
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| 00:53.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:53.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: fix parser to deal with trailing whitespace |
| 00:53.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: fix object search functions to return valid objects |
| 00:53.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add gl transforms for affine transform stack |
| 00:53.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add drawing of instanced groups ( yay recursion ) |
| 00:56.55 | orange | someone said CVS version is now a different proto? but then I also heard about a branch... if I just do: |
| 00:56.58 | orange | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag checkout bzflag |
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| 00:57.06 | orange | will that get me a version that remains compatible with everything? |
| 01:00.32 | orchid | orange: the branch is cvs update -rv2_0branch I think so, yes to your question (i think :-)) |
| 01:04.10 | orange | so the branch v2_0branch contains the incompatible stuff? |
| 01:04.38 | trepan | nope, other way around |
| 01:04.40 | bryjen | no, you'll need -r v2_0branch to get 2.0.x |
| 01:05.15 | orchid | oh, sry orange ^^^ what they said |
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| 01:14.08 | orange | ohhh, ok |
| 01:14.11 | orange | thanks all |
| 01:33.49 | RPG_ | ~dict daemon |
| 01:34.02 | RPG_ | ~dict 1 daemon |
| 01:34.13 | RPG_ | ~dict 2 daemon |
| 01:36.57 | jomojo | hey guys when i download cvs will it be 2.1 or 2.0.x still? |
| 01:37.39 | trepan | it'll be 2.1, unless you specify -rv2_0branch |
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| 02:41.41 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 02:42.08 | trepan | reasonable game mode bit? AdvancedGraphics = 0x0400, // force the use of fancy gfx (currently drawInfo and fog) |
| 02:42.22 | SilentSwan | brlcad: you got some on you |
| 02:42.40 | brlcad | no food here, at least not anymore |
| 02:44.02 | brlcad | trepan: sounds reasonable at a glance |
| 02:44.50 | brlcad | is there any benefit to making it something like RequiredGraphics and allowing a finite set of constraints on their options? like a quality rating from 0-9 or something |
| 02:45.34 | trepan | possibly, but first priority was to show it in the server list |
| 02:46.59 | brlcad | my own concern would be that we'd end up tacking on at least wanting to tack on various requirements to servers, each one of them being a major protocol break when one generic break could be done instead that won't change |
| 02:48.06 | trepan | capability bits would be prefereable to a qual rating, but binary would probably do for the most part |
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| 02:50.51 | brlcad | capability bits would work, but that's where I'd expect something like a mode bit that indicates some graphics level required, followed by the N capability bits |
| 02:51.41 | brlcad | not any particular level, but that there's a graphics constraint of some sort |
| 02:53.39 | brlcad | then it would be a relatively simple matter of having support code in the first client to reject if it sees a capability bit it doesn't recognize, so we could utilize even unused bits down the road without breaking protocol (at least until all bits are used up) |
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| 02:56.38 | trepan | works for me :) |
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| 03:14.10 | trepan | Pavlov just rolled over |
| 03:14.43 | DTRemenak | hrm? |
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| 03:55.37 | SilentSwan | *yawwwwwn* |
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| 03:56.38 | mbfg | msg ibot seen brlcad |
| 03:56.46 | mbfg | ~seen brlcad |
| 03:56.53 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #bzflag #brlcad. Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 1h 3m 14s |
| 04:01.55 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 04:05.04 | brlcad | quiet night |
| 04:06.08 | mbfg | hydi ho |
| 04:06.25 | mbfg | so brlcad, i think my isp is screwing with me. |
| 04:06.37 | brlcad | heh, how so? |
| 04:06.40 | mbfg | when i ping my local machine the ip is different then the one that shows in ipconfig |
| 04:06.54 | mbfg | which i'm guessing is why i can't access it from outside the network |
| 04:07.07 | brlcad | that would be a fair guess |
| 04:07.17 | brlcad | what's the local one? I private net ip? |
| 04:07.24 | brlcad | 192. or 10. ? |
| 04:07.29 | mbfg | wow |
| 04:07.35 | mbfg | yes indeedy 192 |
| 04:07.40 | mbfg | i didn't know there were ranges like that |
| 04:07.52 | brlcad | yeah, that's a private net addr |
| 04:08.36 | mbfg | hmm, so chances are they want money to expose me to the outside |
| 04:08.57 | brlcad | commonly used when you're sitting behind a router that someone wants to centrally manage |
| 04:09.06 | brlcad | depends |
| 04:09.19 | brlcad | if you can get ahold of a real tech, many I've talked to really don't care |
| 04:09.32 | brlcad | and they'll make the one or two line text-file mods to give you an ip |
| 04:09.43 | mbfg | even if the ip is dhcp'ed? |
| 04:09.48 | brlcad | given it's a small company, you've got a good chance |
| 04:10.08 | mbfg | or you mean give me a static-ip |
| 04:10.10 | brlcad | otherwise they might want a small fee |
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| 04:10.28 | brlcad | i'd just ask them for a static ip, as that implies a non-private ip |
| 04:10.36 | mbfg | k |
| 04:10.42 | Tegan | hi silverfox |
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| 04:12.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (17 files in 7 dirs): hunters are a real team. remove all the ugly associated color and teamkill hacks. |
| 04:13.01 | brlcad | mbfg: http://bgp.potaroo.net/ietf/idref/rfc3330/ search for "private network" and you'll find all the various private subnets |
| 04:13.03 | DTRemenak | yay for protocol breaks |
| 04:13.13 | mbfg | danka |
| 04:15.10 | brlcad | 192.168. is very very common for routers, 10.0 is fairly common for certain wireless vendors and a few wired, there are a variety of other reserved subnets with their specific uses, but they're not nearly as prevalent as the 192.168 subnet |
| 04:15.26 | mbfg | 192.168 is mine |
| 04:16.08 | brlcad | most likely .0.X or .1.X, too, rarely go over that, though the whole range is available for private use to your discretion |
| 04:16.10 | mbfg | i wonder if i could get a dhcp'ed non private for fre |
| 04:16.15 | mbfg | 1 |
| 04:16.57 | brlcad | worth asking |
| 04:17.46 | brlcad | now here's a question -- did they give you a piece of hardware for connecting? a cable router perhaps? that would be what's giving you the 192 addr |
| 04:18.00 | mbfg | it's a wireless router |
| 04:18.04 | brlcad | DTRemenak: heh, really? havne't heard anyone use that |
| 04:18.06 | mbfg | connected to a radio |
| 04:18.09 | brlcad | in a long time |
| 04:18.12 | DTRemenak | brlcad: exactly :) |
| 04:18.33 | DTRemenak | many people don't even realize it's reserved |
| 04:18.33 | brlcad | mbfg: is the wireless router in your house? something you have physical access to? |
| 04:18.40 | mbfg | yes |
| 04:19.02 | brlcad | mbfg: ahh, then it's not necessarily a problem |
| 04:19.14 | brlcad | you should be able to configure that router to do whatever |
| 04:19.43 | mbfg | but i still need to 'own' an ip, even if i could switch it |
| 04:20.30 | brlcad | you are getting _some_ ip, it's just that the wireless router takes it so it can share it among N people that talk to it |
| 04:21.43 | brlcad | usually a dhcp address is assigned by the isp, but given the "vast" usebase on the eastern shore, who knows if they opt'd for all static |
| 04:21.57 | mbfg | vast :) |
| 04:22.11 | brlcad | and even if it is dhcp, it may have a very long lifetime till renewal |
| 04:22.19 | mbfg | hasn't changed yet |
| 04:22.32 | mbfg | at the one returned by ping |
| 04:22.34 | brlcad | mine doesn't change except for maybe once a year or something |
| 04:22.48 | mbfg | s/at/at least/ |
| 04:23.23 | mbfg | actually i think the renewal is daily |
| 04:23.31 | mbfg | but it appears to renew in place if possible |
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| 04:26.26 | brlcad | if it's a standard consumer wireless router, like a linksys or dlink, etc you should get a configuration page if you browse to 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:26.26 | brlcad | or a password prompt |
| 04:27.08 | brlcad | or maybe 0.1 if they set up the network route |
| 04:27.18 | mbfg | password prompt |
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| 04:28.11 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 04:28.16 | mbfg | apparently not mine account |
| 04:28.48 | blast007 | it won't reflect your ISP account |
| 04:29.03 | blast007 | there is likely a default password for the router, like 'admin' |
| 04:29.23 | blast007 | my linksys doesn't take a username, just the pass |
| 04:29.50 | mbfg | not here :) |
| 04:30.08 | blast007 | find a manual for that router, and see if it gives the default password |
| 04:30.23 | brlcad | default password is usually 'admin' |
| 04:30.23 | brlcad | username shouldn't matter |
| 04:30.23 | brlcad | leave it blank or 'admin' for user |
| 04:30.24 | brlcad | dlink uses a different default iirc |
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| 04:31.14 | blast007 | oh dear |
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| 04:31.33 | brlcad | that explains the freenode lag :) |
| 04:31.33 | bryjen | mbfg: don't push that button again ;) |
| 04:31.33 | blast007 | lol |
| 04:32.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:32.42 | mbfg | heh, what i do, what i do? |
| 04:33.16 | blast007 | try 'Admin' and 'Admin' |
| 04:33.24 | blast007 | (username and password) |
| 04:33.45 | mbfg | nope |
| 04:33.55 | brlcad | who's the manufacturer? |
| 04:34.08 | mbfg | linksys |
| 04:34.13 | brlcad | ahh |
| 04:34.18 | blast007 | http://www.phenoelit.de/dpl/dpl.html |
| 04:34.19 | mbfg | WRT54G |
| 04:34.19 | brlcad | then they've perhaps set it |
| 04:34.33 | brlcad | yeah, they've set it, I have that one |
| 04:34.51 | blast007 | I bought my own WRT54G :) |
| 04:35.24 | blast007 | need to slap OpenWRT on there one of these days.. |
| 04:35.55 | brlcad | mbfg: if you feel motivated, you can make the wireless router do a hard reset to reset the password |
| 04:36.03 | mbfg | heh |
| 04:36.07 | mbfg | not that motivated |
| 04:36.15 | brlcad | you did try no username and "admin", yes? |
| 04:36.20 | mbfg | yes |
| 04:39.33 | brlcad | they probably want to control it then, still -- what's causing a problem with the private net addr? shouldn't interfere really if the routing is correct even for running bzflag servers (aside from any latency delay to talk to the wireless) |
| 04:40.28 | mbfg | i have a website on my machine, who's address is in a mydomain.com dns |
| 04:40.37 | mbfg | when i hit it from here, it works, but not from out side |
| 04:41.20 | brlcad | otherwise, they'd have to expose the linksys router and your subnet to their net, which they're not going to want to do at all |
| 04:41.20 | brlcad | even with a static ip, it's going to go to the router, and you'll be a 192 addr |
| 04:41.32 | blast007 | what does the domain point to? your local 192 IP? |
| 04:41.37 | mbfg | yes |
| 04:41.41 | mbfg | i guess that is wrong |
| 04:41.42 | blast007 | that's why then |
| 04:41.53 | brlcad | the router can be configured to make a specific 192.168. addr the "DMZ", i.e. pass all unrouted packets to a particular host as if it were exposed |
| 04:41.55 | blast007 | it's not pointing to the modem's IP address |
| 04:42.12 | blast007 | brlcad: but that would require he knows the password to log in :) |
| 04:42.22 | blast007 | and DMZ's aren't the best solution |
| 04:42.30 | blast007 | you can just forward port 80 |
| 04:42.46 | mbfg | port 80 is fine |
| 04:42.57 | blast007 | but again, requires access to the router config |
| 04:43.18 | blast007 | also also requires that the host doesn't block port 80 on their end |
| 04:43.26 | blast007 | many cable internet providers do that |
| 04:44.27 | brlcad | or getting the isp to change it |
| 04:44.27 | brlcad | if they locked it down, they probably turned on the external port remote access feature too |
| 04:44.27 | brlcad | mbfg: the web server has to be updated to respond to the public address, not the 192 one (and dns should not point to 192 either) |
| 04:45.14 | mbfg | hmmm |
| 04:45.45 | mbfg | i get a 66. number when pinging by host name as resolved by dns |
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| 04:46.15 | blast007 | www.viewmyip.com will show your external IP address |
| 04:46.24 | mbfg | nifty |
| 04:46.26 | mbfg | lemmee see... |
| 04:48.52 | mbfg | wow i get a password challenge when i http to the external ip |
| 04:49.28 | mbfg | http://38.118.53.12/hogf |
| 04:49.44 | brlcad | that would likely be the remote admin feature of the router |
| 04:50.42 | brlcad | mbfg: if you've been replying to my pm's check your console -- freenode blocks them now if you're not identified |
| 04:50.43 | bryjen | nothing from here. likely work for you since you're on the "inside" interface |
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| 04:55.58 | blast007 | a port scan of 8080 (the default management port) doesn't show open, which either means the ISP blocks outside access to that port, or that remote management is turned off |
| 04:56.23 | blast007 | ..or that they changed it to a non-default port ;) |
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| 04:58.12 | blast007 | ~nslookup massdeop.org |
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| 05:46.30 | mbfg | what is the webroot again? |
| 05:48.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: orange comes before cyan |
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| 05:49.49 | xbmodder | ibot, |
| 05:49.54 | xbmodder | ~say hi. |
| 05:49.55 | ibot | hi. |
| 05:52.18 | brlcad | xbmodder: care to write an xbm converter for me |
| 05:52.31 | xbmodder | no... :( |
| 05:52.36 | brlcad | heh |
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| 05:55.34 | JeffM2501 | so binary spike has added code to "save" one object type to std out, and he says file saving is "almost" done |
| 05:55.42 | JeffM2501 | yet he can't figure out how to get the file name from the save dialog |
| 05:58.37 | mbfg | rome wasn't built in a day |
| 05:58.59 | JeffM2501 | no it wasn't |
| 05:59.01 | brlcad | :) |
| 05:59.10 | brlcad | i think he went to build rome |
| 05:59.15 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:59.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm all for him trying |
| 05:59.28 | brlcad | it's possible |
| 05:59.29 | JeffM2501 | but he should learn to program first :) |
| 05:59.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'll be totaly happy if he finishes |
| 05:59.49 | JeffM2501 | and I've been trying to help him |
| 05:59.53 | JeffM2501 | for what he lists |
| 05:59.57 | JeffM2501 | listens |
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| 06:21.15 | _Manu_ | buon giorno :) |
| 06:21.51 | Tupone | hola |
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| 07:28.20 | silverfox | in a group, scale is a factor right (ie, 1.0 is no change) ? |
| 07:39.43 | silverfox | I'm not finding anything in bzw.5 about scale/shift/shear or center. |
| 07:40.24 | trepan | center? |
| 07:40.31 | trepan | group lists shift, scale, spin, and shear |
| 07:40.44 | silverfox | sorry, center is elsewhere. |
| 07:41.06 | silverfox | I can't find anything that explains what they do, or what the arguments should be (or do) |
| 07:42.02 | trepan | you can also use pos/size/rot |
| 07:44.17 | trepan | (that isn't listed, because i consider them deprecated, the shift/scale/etc... can be repeated, and are more flexible) |
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| 08:11.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/ (mapedit.cpp worldIO.cpp worldRender.cpp): |
| 08:11.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: boxes need to draw bzflag style, not the more logical style |
| 08:11.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: get the affine transforms in the right order |
| 08:11.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: get groups to render with the stuff in the right place |
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| 08:21.58 | bomber | moin |
| 08:27.06 | bomber | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:43.05 | orchid | hi bomber |
| 09:44.28 | orchid | bomber: looks like its added already? |
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| 09:59.43 | bomber | yep...meacan did it |
| 09:59.50 | bomber | :o) |
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| 10:07.13 | emmandarl | hello |
| 10:07.18 | emmandarl | hello |
| 10:08.21 | emmandarl | pls could someone help me with the code to create other fighters? |
| 10:13.08 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/skybox.jpg , full skybox, map defined |
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| 10:31.36 | Ice_Wewe | emmandarl: if you mean bots, that is quite easy |
| 10:36.51 | Ice_Wewe | ~trepan ++ |
| 10:37.30 | Ice_Wewe | nice pics trepan, I'd love to get my hands of half of those maps... |
| 10:38.04 | trepan | it's just a cubemapped texture set, and 1 box |
| 10:39.01 | Ice_Wewe | no, I was looking in the higher directory |
| 10:39.06 | Ice_Wewe | I do things like that |
| 10:39.19 | Ice_Wewe | I was really talking about modcity, that looks awesome! |
| 10:39.27 | Ice_Wewe | how come you never host your maps? they rock! |
| 10:39.49 | trepan | modcity is a joke map; it's madcity, smoothed 3 or 4 times |
| 10:39.56 | Ice_Wewe | oh... |
| 10:40.06 | Ice_Wewe | well I knew about the madcity |
| 10:40.23 | Ice_Wewe | do you really have the map (modcity), or did you just do that in an image editor? |
| 10:40.58 | trepan | joined a server with madcity, exported .obj and .mtl from client, use a modeller, exported to .bzw |
| 10:41.54 | Ice_Wewe | I see |
| 10:42.33 | Ice_Wewe | oh boy, this cold is getting to me, I feel like *lost in transmission* |
| 12:01.40 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.08 | trepan | where'd you get to see it? |
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| 12:35.11 | majkel | i`m new to bzflag, i`m running ubuntu now, can i run a server only on shell without having to bring up X session ? |
| 12:38.34 | _Manu_ | yes, X is not required for the server |
| 12:39.45 | _Manu_ | try here: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer |
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| 12:41.51 | majkel | thanks |
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| 13:30.25 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/magiccarpet.jpg , odd watching tanks drive around in the air |
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| 13:38.55 | blast007 | :) |
| 13:39.51 | _Manu_ | an illusion :) |
| 13:41.06 | Pimpi | trepan: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/mystic-mirror.jpg |
| 13:43.14 | trepan | ah, trepan.homelinux.net:5154 (looks better with moving water) |
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| 13:59.20 | Pimpi | trepan: really nice |
| 14:25.48 | TheRedBaron | properties of electricity... eletrocution! |
| 14:26.50 | brlcad | the tanks are made out of pure sodium |
| 14:27.09 | jpa- | evil |
| 14:27.21 | jpa- | sodium is not very hard metal |
| 14:27.40 | TheRedBaron | explains why it only takes 1 shot to destruct them |
| 14:27.42 | jpa- | they might get damaged by the rain, too |
| 14:27.44 | brlcad | why do you think it only takes 1 shot even if you just nick them |
| 14:27.57 | brlcad | you think that's water falling |
| 14:27.57 | TheRedBaron | we are shooting water ballons? |
| 14:28.29 | jpa- | well, the falling bitmaps might damage the surface too |
| 14:29.58 | jpa- | explains also the squishing when falling, actualy |
| 14:30.09 | jpa- | except sodium does not make very good springs |
| 14:30.40 | brlcad | it's in an elastic polymer matrix form, makes is mushy |
| 14:31.48 | TheRedBaron | we use solid state fuel |
| 14:32.02 | jpa- | TheRedBaron: sodium, for example? :) |
| 14:32.57 | brlcad | that's why in timed games, the tanks are only given so much fuel and why they spontaneously explode (when they run out of fuel) because they begin to consume themselves |
| 14:35.36 | orange | I like the campfire, trepan |
| 14:35.58 | orange | hehehe |
| 14:36.37 | orange | and the butterfly! |
| 14:36.54 | trepan | lou made the butterfly out of a .gif ;) |
| 14:37.32 | trepan | looks a fair bit better using angled mesh faces and a decent texture though |
| 14:38.30 | TheRedBaron | may I ask for the link to the picture/screenshot? |
| 14:38.32 | orange | the sw and gm flags are permanent? |
| 14:38.41 | jpa- | next make it possible to kill the butterfly :) |
| 14:38.59 | jpa- | TheRedBaron: see the server, trepan.homelinux.net:5154 |
| 14:39.27 | TheRedBaron | jpa-, wow you did something nice! |
| 14:39.34 | trepan | orange: yup, looked them down with zones |
| 14:39.41 | trepan | s/looked/locked |
| 14:39.56 | orange | that's neat |
| 14:40.05 | jpa- | TheRedBaron: sowwy |
| 14:43.26 | orange | at least two different models of burning tanks |
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| 14:45.51 | jpa- | hi SC |
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| 14:50.24 | orange | wow |
| 14:50.35 | orange | powerful flashlight you have there, brlcad |
| 14:50.37 | jpa- | awww you broke his tcp-over-morse-over-flashlight protocol |
| 14:56.13 | Grumbler | a witch, a witch, burn'em, burn'em |
| 14:56.31 | jpa- | noooo burn Grumbler instead |
| 14:57.48 | TheRedBaron | he turned me into a newt! |
| 14:58.06 | Grumbler | i'm not dead yet |
| 14:58.14 | Grumbler | tis a flesh wound |
| 14:59.01 | jpa- | ~lart Grumbler |
| 15:00.18 | Grumbler | i'm not dead yet |
| 15:01.11 | brlcad | hehe |
| 15:04.42 | jpa- | ~bzfrag Grumbler |
| 15:04.43 | ibot | ACTION kills Grumbler with a shot from his BZTank |
| 15:05.09 | Grumbler | i'm not dead yet, tis a flesh wound |
| 15:08.42 | Grumbler | ugh, the kiss of death |
| 15:08.58 | jpa- | yes. |
| 15:24.42 | Aribeth | ~lart jpa- |
| 15:24.49 | Aribeth | ouch |
| 15:25.01 | jpa- | :( |
| 15:25.11 | jpa- | it was not specifically a lethal one |
| 15:25.33 | Grumbler | its that suppose to be thin strips, or thin stripes......cause thin stripes sounds funny |
| 15:26.25 | Aribeth | it does sound funny |
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| 15:57.54 | SilentSwan | been wondering that for years |
| 15:58.51 | Alex135 | hi i have a question that i have ben asking for a long time how do i monitor my server and the chat stuff and teamchat and all that with just a bit more text in my conf file for my server |
| 15:58.52 | SilentSwan | i'd suggest going to bed earlier, but that never works for me either |
| 15:59.12 | Aribeth | i got to sleep before 3 am :P |
| 15:59.15 | Alex135 | and log it |
| 15:59.23 | SilentSwan | Alex135 bzfs prints out all that stuff |
| 15:59.30 | SilentSwan | what OS are you running? |
| 15:59.54 | Alex135 | windows xp |
| 16:00.00 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 16:00.14 | SilentSwan | *sigh* well, i can't help you there, but i'm sure the procedure is similar... |
| 16:00.34 | brad2901 | Alex135: Something like: bzfs.exe -conf config.conf >> bzfs.log |
| 16:01.04 | Pimpi | install services for unix and i'll help you ;) |
| 16:01.30 | Pimpi | but you probably don't want that... |
| 16:01.49 | Alex135 | lol not realy it took me forever to git my server runing in windows lol |
| 16:02.12 | Pimpi | services for unix acually is for windows |
| 16:02.17 | jpa- | brad2901: i don't think dos has >> |
| 16:02.28 | brad2901 | jpa-: It does ;) |
| 16:02.38 | jpa- | Pimpi: cygwin & bash might help too |
| 16:02.40 | Chestal | xp has no DOS :-) |
| 16:02.41 | jpa- | brad2901: oh |
| 16:02.53 | jpa- | Chestal: no, it has something worse :) |
| 16:03.02 | SilentSwan | *sigh* sorry, got called away |
| 16:03.15 | Chestal | its comand line can even do simple tab-completion |
| 16:03.17 | Pimpi | the windows commandline is far beyond dos, and quite powerful |
| 16:03.29 | Aribeth | XP = experi-mental |
| 16:03.59 | jpa- | Aribeth: causes mental problems? :) |
| 16:04.26 | Aribeth | it was an experiment done by mental people :P |
| 16:06.57 | Aribeth | jpa- yes it can cause mental problems |
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| 16:07.44 | jpa- | so can i |
| 16:07.52 | Aribeth | na |
| 16:08.54 | jpa- | could also be for eXtraordinary Price |
| 16:09.02 | TheRedBaron | jpap, no you are a mental problem :) |
| 16:09.23 | Pimpi | don't laugh about XP, it's better than unix folks usually talks about it |
| 16:10.04 | brad2901 | Pimpi: it is? :S |
| 16:10.46 | Pimpi | it just suffers from the limitations of "cathredal-builder development style" |
| 16:10.52 | Pimpi | brad2901: i think so, yes |
| 16:10.57 | brad2901 | hm |
| 16:12.09 | jpa- | today one from our school was complaining "linux sucks" etc. .. our teacher asked why'd he be forced to use linux? "windows broke." |
| 16:12.54 | Pimpi | whose fault was it that windows broke? |
| 16:13.09 | Aribeth | M$ |
| 16:13.10 | Pimpi | i can break my linux within a minute |
| 16:13.35 | Aribeth | just move libc, that will break Linux |
| 16:13.45 | SilentSwan | or install redhat |
| 16:13.50 | Aribeth | lol |
| 16:13.52 | Aribeth | ya |
| 16:13.56 | orange | any idea why a player might not be able to globally identify at one server, but would at another, without changing username/password in his client? |
| 16:14.07 | orange | when he came to silvercat server, we got this: |
| 16:14.15 | Pimpi | and it's not the fault of linux GNU debian or someone else |
| 16:14.20 | orange | Player .... [1] has joined from 1.1.1.1 at 2005-10-27 15:43:12 with token "NONE" |
| 16:14.30 | orange | some info changed, of course |
| 16:14.33 | orange | but "NONE" is what it said |
| 16:14.40 | orange | so he got the '-' next to his callsign |
| 16:14.44 | SilentSwan | i'm still not decided between suse, gentoo, or (even better) FreeBSD for the new computer |
| 16:14.47 | orange | went to another server, worked, came back, still '-' |
| 16:15.31 | Pimpi | if you feel best with FreeBSD, then BSD |
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| 16:17.06 | SilentSwan | Pimpi i've run it for years, i need a change |
| 16:17.35 | SilentSwan | though i think i'll install netbsd on my old sparcstation 4 - which has been sitting in the basement for years |
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| 16:20.04 | SilentSwan | know someone that worked for BSDi :) |
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| 16:39.53 | JeffM2501 | anyone for or against, moving the items in /bzflag/tools/..... just into the /tools proejct I made? |
| 16:40.13 | JeffM2501 | since they arn't build with the packages |
| 16:51.43 | JeffM2501 | or... everyone could be asleep |
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| 16:52.17 | devster | or not know what difference it makes :) |
| 17:06.12 | JeffM2501 | ohh they know |
| 17:06.20 | JeffM2501 | in the end it's no functional difrence |
| 17:06.23 | JeffM2501 | it's just packaging |
| 17:06.43 | JeffM2501 | and it may be nicer to have the "bzflag" source tree just be the things we build and package |
| 17:07.22 | JeffM2501 | then also we could release a "tools" tarball |
| 17:07.26 | JeffM2501 | when ever it needs to change |
| 17:07.34 | JeffM2501 | and not tie it to the bzflag version |
| 17:14.08 | blast007 | sounds like a more logical organization |
| 17:15.41 | JeffM2501 | thats what I thought |
| 17:15.52 | JeffM2501 | also maybe make an "archive" project |
| 17:16.01 | JeffM2501 | and move the 2 existing root level BZEdits to it |
| 17:16.16 | JeffM2501 | since they arn't really active |
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| 17:25.16 | Inferno285 | Jeff, could the texture upload system be made in perl? |
| 17:25.25 | JeffM2501 | my why sharp teeth the swan has |
| 17:25.42 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, I would perfer php, so it can work with forum logins |
| 17:26.01 | JeffM2501 | but any system that works would be evaluated for use |
| 17:26.38 | Inferno285 | oh, cause this tadpole doesn't have php. But if someone hasn't taken up the job by the time I get my Dell back. I'll look into it |
| 17:26.58 | JeffM2501 | the bigest thing it needs to support is the notification of administorators (preferably from a bzbb group_ |
| 17:27.02 | Inferno285 | are you using mysql? |
| 17:27.12 | JeffM2501 | yes the fourms use mysql |
| 17:27.31 | JeffM2501 | I am not sure if the forum web server is set up to support perl |
| 17:27.35 | JeffM2501 | we don't need a rush job |
| 17:27.40 | JeffM2501 | we need a correct system |
| 17:27.49 | Inferno285 | yeah |
| 17:27.56 | JeffM2501 | a php system is much more likely to be accepted |
| 17:28.07 | Inferno285 | ah, time to oeat |
| 17:28.26 | Inferno285 | I'll get back to you when I get my system with php bavk |
| 17:29.19 | JeffM2501 | the perfect system I would like to see, would add a button on the forum that would let a loged in user upload a file, then email that file with a set of aproval or disaproval links to the moderation group, if it's approved, it would move it into the images.bzflag.org folder under the username |
| 17:29.30 | JeffM2501 | if it was not approved it would delete the image |
| 17:29.45 | JeffM2501 | I'd also like to see per user stats on how many images were approved and disallowed |
| 17:30.02 | JeffM2501 | it would also be good for users to get notified when they are approved |
| 17:30.06 | JeffM2501 | or disapproved |
| 17:30.07 | JeffM2501 | and why |
| 17:30.21 | JeffM2501 | but it should only be allowed for users with forum logins |
| 17:30.28 | JeffM2501 | so we don't get spammed with bot requests |
| 17:30.59 | JeffM2501 | there should also be a profile setting in the bzbb user that would disallow a specific user to upload |
| 17:31.02 | JeffM2501 | for the real problem cases. |
| 17:31.09 | JeffM2501 | that would be the perfect system for me |
| 17:33.48 | orange | you don't need php to use forum logins |
| 17:33.50 | orange | perl works fine |
| 17:34.10 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:34.12 | SilentSwan | *shudder* |
| 17:34.24 | JeffM2501 | but I'd like it to integrate into the existing php forum pages |
| 17:34.29 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say php would be better |
| 17:34.35 | orange | that's a fine reason |
| 17:34.42 | orange | just an FYI |
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| 17:35.38 | k | hey, where i ca change the message that server sends when user login ? |
| 17:36.13 | orange | like whenever someone groans just because someone else says the word perl |
| 17:40.06 | k | anybidy knows what is the option to not show that i cannot read ? :D |
| 17:41.55 | k | anybody ? |
| 17:42.35 | BearPerson | what do you want to change? |
| 17:42.53 | BearPerson | "this nickname is used by someone else"? |
| 17:47.15 | JeffM2501 | like I say, we will evaluate any solution that works, but if we have one that integrates to the existing php, it's got a better chance then one that dosn't |
| 17:48.00 | JeffM2501 | my optimal soultion would let us manage it with the same user management we have with the forums, and tha'ts a big boon |
| 17:49.38 | Inferno285 | 'm back |
| 17:49.44 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 17:49.49 | Inferno285 | I scrolled up... |
| 17:49.54 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 17:49.57 | k | no. |
| 17:50.09 | k | when i start the newly installed server on linux |
| 17:50.16 | Inferno285 | umm ok |
| 17:50.28 | k | the server sends a message like "Ihave i cool bzflag serve and i cannot read" |
| 17:50.37 | Inferno285 | k, go in the server conf file |
| 17:50.41 | k | i want to change to something else |
| 17:50.51 | JeffM2501 | you edit your config file |
| 17:50.54 | k | i know that i can change it in conf |
| 17:51.00 | JeffM2501 | that's how you change it :) |
| 17:51.20 | Inferno285 | k, what is your question then? |
| 17:51.23 | k | but besides -public option i can` see anything there about messages |
| 17:51.44 | JeffM2501 | -admsg |
| 17:51.44 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 17:51.59 | k | what is the option in conf to set this message to custom one |
| 17:51.59 | JeffM2501 | it is in the config |
| 17:51.59 | JeffM2501 | the default is no message |
| 17:52.09 | JeffM2501 | search your config for that text |
| 17:52.24 | k | ok, thanks a lot |
| 17:52.48 | Inferno285 | Jeff, RPG knows some php... |
| 17:53.01 | JeffM2501 | many people know some php |
| 17:53.18 | JeffM2501 | again, I'm not looking for a quick solution, I think what we have now is fine |
| 17:53.23 | JeffM2501 | it's just not automated |
| 17:53.38 | JeffM2501 | if somone wants to buck up and make it easyer and more automated, then more power to em |
| 17:53.58 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think it's something we are in dire need of |
| 17:53.58 | Inferno285 | yeah, I would be willing to. I don't know sql though :( |
| 17:54.15 | JeffM2501 | that is between you and sql |
| 17:54.32 | Inferno285 | yup, haha |
| 17:55.12 | k | me again... |
| 17:55.21 | k | -admsg don`t do anything |
| 17:55.33 | JeffM2501 | did you read your config |
| 17:55.33 | k | i think it`s for message repeated every 15 message |
| 17:55.51 | k | it`s not for default greeting/login maessage.. |
| 17:55.57 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 17:56.12 | k | so i do -admsg 'message' |
| 17:56.24 | k | in config file, the restart server |
| 17:56.27 | Inferno285 | after you delete your previous one |
| 17:56.34 | JeffM2501 | does it say "Some wizbang BZFlag server - I need to read instructions"? |
| 17:56.52 | k | something like that :D:D:D |
| 17:57.04 | JeffM2501 | did you search your config for text like that? |
| 17:57.13 | JeffM2501 | and did you read the instructions? |
| 17:57.33 | JeffM2501 | or does it say "I have a cool BZFlag server, and I can not read." |
| 17:57.50 | k | oh, the second one |
| 17:57.59 | k | exactly it tells me that i cannot read :D |
| 17:57.59 | JeffM2501 | did you search your config for that text? |
| 17:58.08 | k | yeah - nothing like that in there |
| 17:58.09 | JeffM2501 | and did you read the instrutions? |
| 17:58.13 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 17:58.21 | JeffM2501 | not on line 361 |
| 17:58.32 | JeffM2501 | -srvmsg "I have a cool BZFlag server, and I can not read." |
| 17:58.47 | JeffM2501 | where a simple search for the text "read" shows it |
| 17:58.53 | k | AHA! so it`s srvmsg not admsg :D |
| 17:59.08 | JeffM2501 | so, I'll take it as a "NO" that you didn't search for it, or read the instructions? |
| 17:59.25 | k | i search for cannot read |
| 17:59.40 | JeffM2501 | did you read the instructions? |
| 18:00.57 | k | no, i`m lame ;( |
| 18:00.57 | k | sorry for that.. |
| 18:00.57 | JeffM2501 | so then the message is perfectly accurate :) |
| 18:00.57 | k | you bet :D |
| 18:00.57 | Inferno285 | haha, yeh |
| 18:00.57 | Inferno285 | k, what is the name of your sever? |
| 18:00.57 | k | it`s not in the list |
| 18:00.57 | Inferno285 | oh, k |
| 18:01.07 | k | oh and another lame question - |
| 18:01.18 | k | i want server password protected |
| 18:01.28 | k | adn when i add -passwd in cofnig |
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| 18:01.37 | JeffM2501 | like people have to enter a password to join? |
| 18:01.43 | k | exactly |
| 18:01.46 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 18:01.50 | JeffM2501 | that's not what -password does |
| 18:01.59 | JeffM2501 | we don't have a method to password protect on join |
| 18:02.01 | k | it`s only for admin ? |
| 18:02.03 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:02.08 | JeffM2501 | read the instructions :) |
| 18:02.13 | k | once again :D |
| 18:02.35 | k | so there is no way to get bzflag server password protected against joining the game ? |
| 18:02.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:02.40 | k | i can pnly limit the users ? |
| 18:02.42 | JeffM2501 | there i no way |
| 18:03.18 | JeffM2501 | the best you could do is add specific users to a userdb passworddb and give them permision to spanw and talk |
| 18:03.31 | JeffM2501 | and make a groups db that took those perms away by default |
| 18:03.34 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 18:03.39 | k | ok, will try that |
| 18:03.44 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, IIRC changes to bzfs and bzadmin to make it send less data |
| 18:03.54 | k | thanks for all your help |
| 18:04.06 | JeffM2501 | bzfs knows it's an admin client, and dosn't send it player updates and stuff |
| 18:04.45 | JeffM2501 | trepan is also doing some graphical changes that will need some new data sent out with players |
| 18:05.48 | k | do you know any good resources to download world to server from ? |
| 18:05.57 | k | i mean |
| 18:06.01 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb/ :) |
| 18:06.08 | JeffM2501 | has many things on maps |
| 18:06.09 | DTRemenak | and inertia settings are in bzdb, and hunters are a real team. |
| 18:06.14 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:06.41 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: might be a good time to move score stuff serverside also |
| 18:06.48 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I'm sure it would be |
| 18:07.16 | DTRemenak | ah, the proverbial Someone |
| 18:07.34 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, what do you think of moving the tools dir in the bzflag src tree to the tools dir at the root |
| 18:07.40 | JeffM2501 | since we don't build the tools for packages |
| 18:07.58 | JeffM2501 | and maybe making just a tools tarball when they need to be updated |
| 18:08.14 | JeffM2501 | and TimRiker same question |
| 18:08.18 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: iirc that was discussed around the time we created the bzflag/tools dir. not sure what the conclusions were. |
| 18:08.32 | JeffM2501 | I don't recall ether |
| 18:08.42 | JeffM2501 | we have a root tools dir now |
| 18:08.46 | JeffM2501 | with it's own project |
| 18:09.15 | JeffM2501 | I'd also like to move the 2 old bzedit root projects to an "archive" folder |
| 18:09.18 | JeffM2501 | off the root |
| 18:09.23 | JeffM2501 | since they arn't exactly active |
| 18:09.46 | JeffM2501 | clean up the root a bit |
| 18:09.48 | DTRemenak | modules aren't just folders. afaik we can't remove them at all. |
| 18:10.07 | JeffM2501 | well we can ask SF to help us |
| 18:10.24 | DTRemenak | can probably ask the sf folks to reorganize stuff for us, but it would be best to get a list of everything we want changed and do it all at once |
| 18:10.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:10.36 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm thinking of it now |
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| 18:11.19 | JeffM2501 | for now I'm thining, move bzflag/tools to tools, remove bzflag/tools, remove BZFlagG3D, make archive, move bzedit and BZEditW32 to archive |
| 18:11.30 | DTRemenak | on a purely theoretical level I have no objection to moving the tools stuff to its own project. |
| 18:11.42 | DTRemenak | err module |
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| 18:11.54 | JeffM2501 | I use project == module |
| 18:12.01 | JeffM2501 | tho it's probably not techincaly correct |
| 18:12.08 | DTRemenak | in sf, project is distinctly != module :) |
| 18:12.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:12.16 | JeffM2501 | this is true |
| 18:12.35 | JeffM2501 | we could also move bzflag/plugins to just /plugins at the same time if we wanted |
| 18:12.36 | DTRemenak | are you planning on disting tools? |
| 18:12.48 | JeffM2501 | seperatly, not with the base package |
| 18:12.51 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 18:12.52 | JeffM2501 | not everyone needs tools |
| 18:12.55 | DTRemenak | that's what I meant :) |
| 18:12.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:13.02 | JeffM2501 | make a tools tarball |
| 18:13.08 | JeffM2501 | and and tools binarys |
| 18:13.09 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 18:13.17 | JeffM2501 | look in the tools dir now |
| 18:13.34 | *** part/#bzflag Tango (n=54a92cd9@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 18:13.54 | JeffM2501 | at some point modeltool will disapear |
| 18:14.07 | JeffM2501 | and I hope also at some point we won't need fonttool |
| 18:16.37 | k | can i change the map during game play or do i need to restart the server everytime ? |
| 18:17.16 | JeffM2501 | restart the server |
| 18:18.48 | k | ok |
| 18:19.01 | JeffM2501 | some people have made scripts for server rotations |
| 18:19.11 | JeffM2501 | that restart the server with a new map every so often |
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| 18:24.04 | DTRemenak | any objection to removing client-side score tracking completely? afaict the only side-effect will be at most a couple hundred ms of lag before your score updates. |
| 18:26.04 | JeffM2501 | there is no reason not to do it |
| 18:26.09 | gsnedders | what sccore updating? |
| 18:26.12 | JeffM2501 | and so many resons to totaly do it |
| 18:26.16 | gsnedders | getting it from the server when you join? |
| 18:26.21 | gsnedders | or what? |
| 18:26.31 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, basicly when you kill somone, it would take a couple MS before your score increments by 1 |
| 18:26.36 | JeffM2501 | instead of instant right now |
| 18:26.38 | gsnedders | ah |
| 18:26.51 | JeffM2501 | right now it happens on the frame you kill the person on |
| 18:27.11 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak is going to move it to the server, so the server just tells you your score increased |
| 18:27.22 | JeffM2501 | so it will just take a message travel time |
| 18:27.26 | gsnedders | yeah |
| 18:27.38 | JeffM2501 | it lets the server do so much more with the score |
| 18:27.53 | JeffM2501 | and then plulgins and server side mods can make the game score difrently |
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| 18:33.13 | Grumbler | DTRemenak, a couple hundred ms on score....does that include flag pickup identification |
| 18:33.43 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, right now the server overrides it every time anyway |
| 18:33.45 | DTRemenak | I'm looking at a bunch of code that could be ripped out if we're willing to live with the short delay |
| 18:33.47 | DTRemenak | it's already on the server :) |
| 18:33.49 | DTRemenak | client just was ignoring updates for its own id |
| 18:33.51 | DTRemenak | and tracking everyone elses, and then clobbering it with the server update a couple milliseconds later |
| 18:33.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:34.11 | JeffM2501 | thats why I say there is no disadvantage |
| 18:34.22 | JeffM2501 | it's just at least consitent |
| 18:35.18 | Grumbler | my only concern would be if flag pickups were further delayed, as they are slow now.....if no impact there, then i dont see a problem |
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| 18:37.43 | DTRemenak | oopsie |
| 18:38.54 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i'm not strongly opinionated on the tools issue, moot issue unless you plan on actually making that "tools" tarball release more than a couple times |
| 18:39.24 | JeffM2501 | I think the tarball would be updated as the tools change |
| 18:39.36 | JeffM2501 | that's my plan anyway |
| 18:39.50 | JeffM2501 | just seems odd that we have sources for things we don't ship |
| 18:39.56 | JeffM2501 | in the mainline |
| 18:40.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: server has complete control of score. remove local score tracking altogether. allow the server to change myTank's score. |
| 18:40.18 | JeffM2501 | I mean I'm not about to put this stuff into the mainline |
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| 18:40.28 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you should be able to reenable the API's score-setting stuff now, and it should work right |
| 18:40.42 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, just uncomment it :) |
| 18:40.55 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: dunno where it is :) bzfsapi.cxx is huge ;) |
| 18:41.04 | JeffM2501 | search for "score" :) |
| 18:41.17 | JeffM2501 | I can do it later if you want |
| 18:41.19 | JeffM2501 | no biggie |
| 18:41.29 | JeffM2501 | beating on data dir searches now |
| 18:41.40 | DTRemenak | actually I don't see any big comment blocks at all |
| 18:41.41 | brlcad | it would be easy enough to build them if we wanted to |
| 18:41.53 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, true, but not everyone needs them |
| 18:41.56 | brlcad | little reason not to unless they just don't compile, which I think was the original reasoning |
| 18:42.11 | JeffM2501 | some are not for all systems |
| 18:42.18 | JeffM2501 | modeltool dosnt' work on apple |
| 18:42.20 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 18:42.29 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm thinking of moving them out |
| 18:42.40 | JeffM2501 | tho modeltool may go byebye |
| 18:43.47 | brlcad | the same can be said that it's nice to have it all together too |
| 18:43.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:44.00 | JeffM2501 | was just thining of it |
| 18:44.07 | brlcad | don't have to checkout N times, update N times, etc |
| 18:44.13 | brlcad | not that its a big deal either way |
| 18:44.51 | brlcad | just would hate for it to get moved out then orphaned, some do use it even if it's a very small minority compared to those interested in building bz |
| 18:45.16 | JeffM2501 | well it's not like having it in the core isn't going to keep it from geting orphaned ether |
| 18:45.30 | JeffM2501 | if noone updates it, it dosn't mater where it is :) |
| 18:47.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/OSFile.h src/OSFile.cpp): add std::string versions of stuff that takes a filepath/name |
| 18:49.41 | DTRemenak | ah, figured it out |
| 18:49.47 | DTRemenak | you just took them out of the header |
| 18:49.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h plugins/doc/functions.html): re-enable bzfsapi score set functionality |
| 18:50.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 18:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: app virtual function to get default data dir |
| 18:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: make windows app search logical places ( where ese is, working dir/data, working dir ) |
| 18:51.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: update prefs version and do a find for the data dir. |
| 18:51.10 | DTRemenak | anyone up for a bit of 2.1 testing? I'd like to try out hunter changes and scoring changes. |
| 18:51.11 | JeffM2501 | I knew I just did a disable thing |
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| 19:04.46 | GvzEvxre | I'm fine with moving tools if folks want to. Personal preference would be to leave it there. in the course of downloading 11M of source, 100k of unused tools is irrelevant. If they are there, then at least you know about them. |
| 19:05.26 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Do you think my GM patch is good enough to make it into CVS? |
| 19:10.06 | orange | what's it do? |
| 19:21.10 | ToughShooter | orange: It adds a new variable called _gmSelfKillDelay, which is used by the client to determine whether the fired missile is deadly to own tank. That way _gmActivationTime can be set to 0 without having the effect that the owner kills himself, when the intruduced variable is not 0. |
| 19:22.07 | orange | ah |
| 19:23.14 | TimRiker | now that protocol is changed we Someone(tm) should shorten the laser and then we can work on sparse updates for distant players. |
| 19:23.16 | ToughShooter | It's a new optional feature, disabled by default. That's why it has to be done as patch. However I would like to see it checked-in. :/ |
| 19:24.10 | TimRiker | ToughShooter: so you can sit in front of a reflecting teleporter and not shoot yourself? ;-) |
| 19:25.01 | ToughShooter | heh, that can happen in the current state, too |
| 19:25.09 | TimRiker | true that. |
| 19:25.27 | ToughShooter | someone ;) should make kills only being computed by bzfs |
| 19:28.20 | ToughShooter | strange effects can always show up, I think it's systemic |
| 19:30.56 | ToughShooter | Like when I play on near servers unlike one in arizona, it's a completely different tactic I can use. The lag creates a need to forsee more things and partly make things look strange to other players |
| 19:43.34 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, death should be moved server side |
| 19:43.54 | JeffM2501 | so the concept of your patch is good yes, but I think it should be done server side, not on the client |
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| 19:45.14 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Maybe I'm understanding a bit wrong. Aren't all kills computed in the client? |
| 19:45.25 | JeffM2501 | right now yes |
| 19:45.40 | JeffM2501 | the plan is to move kill computation to the server |
| 19:46.06 | ToughShooter | It should but who will? |
| 19:46.31 | JeffM2501 | I belive it is one of the thigns tupone is planing on doing soon |
| 19:46.58 | ToughShooter | From what I remember he plans GM strategy to be in server |
| 19:47.43 | ToughShooter | to reduce number of sent packets that may cause huge lag spikes affecting certain players |
| 19:48.57 | JeffM2501 | that is part of it as well |
| 19:49.04 | JeffM2501 | he has many plans :) |
| 19:50.25 | ToughShooter | I have a few doubts about whether it will fix my spikes but moving this stuff into bzfs is something I would consider being good :) |
| 19:50.39 | JeffM2501 | yes, it has to be done |
| 19:50.42 | JeffM2501 | so adding your patch may be moot |
| 19:50.52 | JeffM2501 | as the code for the patch would be moved, or changed masivly |
| 19:51.57 | ToughShooter | :( |
| 19:53.10 | brlcad | ToughShooter: it's your job to make it simple to apply, keep it up to date ;) |
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| 19:55.02 | ToughShooter | What bugs me more is the broken server list, it's only good after start of app or after deleting the list cache from within the client |
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| 19:57.47 | k | what is the option to turn on the falgs on random map ? |
| 19:57.58 | JeffM2501 | -s |
| 19:58.01 | JeffM2501 | with how many you want |
| 19:58.04 | JeffM2501 | +s and -s |
| 19:58.09 | JeffM2501 | have you read the manual? |
| 19:58.17 | k | not yet ;) |
| 19:58.22 | JeffM2501 | dude, go read it |
| 19:58.24 | JeffM2501 | really |
| 19:58.24 | k | damn i`m lame... |
| 19:58.33 | Aribeth | ~dict rtfm |
| 19:58.35 | k | i have to get this server running in 10 minutes |
| 19:58.42 | k | if i had time i would do it |
| 19:58.53 | ToughShooter | ~dict rtfs |
| 19:58.54 | JeffM2501 | you waste more time coming here then you would just reading it |
| 19:59.07 | ToughShooter | Aribeth: ;) |
| 19:59.10 | k | ok, last question, ok? |
| 19:59.19 | Aribeth | ibot such language |
| 19:59.36 | ToughShooter | it's the fine source, of course |
| 19:59.53 | k | "+s 10" gives me 10 flags on the map ?? |
| 20:00.40 | JeffM2501 | +s num-flags |
| 20:00.40 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.45 | JeffM2501 | from the man page |
| 20:00.48 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6s |
| 20:00.53 | Aribeth | im sorry. I am not programed to respond in that area! |
| 20:01.03 | Aribeth | ;) |
| 20:01.23 | JeffM2501 | -s is the min super flags |
| 20:01.29 | JeffM2501 | +s adds that many extra |
| 20:01.35 | JeffM2501 | how many flags do you want? |
| 20:03.05 | ToughShooter | there is a configuration builder in CVS |
| 20:04.13 | ToughShooter | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/bzflag/bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html |
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| 20:05.48 | SilentSwan | ok, here's one for the experts... someone suggested wings3d for making bzmap related stuff... how do the size units correspond between those in bzw and whatever wings3d uses? |
| 20:06.07 | JeffM2501 | 1 to 1 |
| 20:06.19 | SilentSwan | hmmm ok |
| 20:06.29 | JeffM2501 | bzflag units arn't really real world units tho |
| 20:06.51 | TD-Linux | WU are arbitary |
| 20:06.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:07.02 | TD-Linux | you are supposed to scale them |
| 20:07.13 | TD-Linux | the wings3D plugin has a box for scaling |
| 20:07.19 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 20:07.22 | JeffM2501 | for the size, it's decent to think about each BZ unit as being about a meter |
| 20:07.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can scale, because often people import or work in a difrent scale |
| 20:07.44 | SilentSwan | understood - this is my first attempt at doing anything outside of bzedit |
| 20:07.53 | JeffM2501 | so you'd make a flowerpot that is 1 unit in wings, but in BZ that will be allmost as tall as a tank |
| 20:08.27 | TD-Linux | if you were to make a map completely with Wings3D, the standard 800x800 size... and you used the edges of the 20x20 grid as the edges of the map... |
| 20:08.41 | TD-Linux | you would use a scale factor of 40 |
| 20:08.44 | ToughShooter | in groups you can manually add a scale, too as man page of bzw shows |
| 20:09.05 | brlcad | ~weather kbwi |
| 20:09.08 | orchid | !weather cyyz |
| 20:09.10 | Guu | orchid: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 43°F. |
| 20:09.18 | JeffM2501 | if you are starting from scratch in wings, it's best to make your stuff in bz units |
| 20:09.21 | JeffM2501 | then you don't have to scale |
| 20:09.25 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 20:09.39 | JeffM2501 | the scale is used by people who don't think ahead :) |
| 20:09.42 | JeffM2501 | or import |
| 20:10.05 | TD-Linux | and make sure to quadrangulate everything |
| 20:10.14 | ToughShooter | hehe, it's hotter here even though already 10 PM ;) |
| 20:10.20 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, that isn't that nessisary anymore |
| 20:10.22 | JeffM2501 | don't confuse her |
| 20:10.27 | brlcad | ooh, I didn't notice that guu returned |
| 20:10.29 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, just have fun making stuff |
| 20:10.32 | SilentSwan | hehe |
| 20:10.35 | brlcad | yay, guu guu grl |
| 20:10.38 | SilentSwan | i'm just trying to relieve boredom :) |
| 20:10.40 | JeffM2501 | then larn the guts later |
| 20:10.42 | SilentSwan | but thanks for the info |
| 20:10.53 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: So I don't look ahead. |
| 20:10.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah it was time to go back to the old name |
| 20:11.04 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, many modelers don't |
| 20:11.05 | TD-Linux | do the doghouse tutorial, it's quite good |
| 20:11.46 | SilentSwan | ah yes...i tried that, but think i either missed something in the docs or they weren't quite clear about something.. i forget now |
| 20:11.54 | SilentSwan | either that or lack of sleep was interfering |
| 20:12.15 | ToughShooter | *admits |
| 20:12.43 | TD-Linux | ToughShooter: File>Export>BZW and click the box |
| 20:13.01 | TD-Linux | type your export scale in the box |
| 20:13.25 | ToughShooter | hrm, ok |
| 20:13.31 | TD-Linux | *or textarea, whatever |
| 20:13.46 | TD-Linux | make sure to click the box... it's the one to on the very right of most menu options |
| 20:14.24 | SilentSwan | oh this is nice |
| 20:14.38 | SilentSwan | i made the mistake of switching to bash from ksh.. now i get this when running configure: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:15.03 | TD-Linux | SilentSwan: for good wings3d tutorials, see this: http://www.geocities.com/paulthepuzzles/aardvarks.html |
| 20:15.11 | SilentSwan | thanks |
| 20:15.19 | TD-Linux | do the babytut |
| 20:15.32 | SilentSwan | first i need to figure out how my compiler broke... |
| 20:16.02 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901` (i=one@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 20:16.28 | SilentSwan | oh i know why |
| 20:16.39 | ToughShooter | What bugs me is that I don't know what the scale factor is when I want a 20*30*70 box (x,y,z) for my map for example |
| 20:16.45 | SilentSwan | stupid me, i had a CFLAGS env variable set for ultrasparc |
| 20:16.47 | SilentSwan | *bonk* |
| 20:17.43 | SilentSwan | copied a .bash_profile from a sparc box... |
| 20:20.14 | SilentSwan | *sigh* more of the BS about not being able to find gl.h |
| 20:23.46 | SilentSwan | can't find curses either... wtf??? |
| 20:24.17 | TD-Linux | ToughShooter... 1 WU = 1 BZU unless you scale |
| 20:24.38 | JeffM2501 | both sets of units are arbitary |
| 20:24.46 | JeffM2501 | a unit only means something when it has a refrence |
| 20:24.49 | JeffM2501 | nether has a refrence |
| 20:25.02 | Grumbler | until you get a tank beside it |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM2501 | if you want a box that big on your map, make it that big in wings |
| 20:25.19 | JeffM2501 | simple as that |
| 20:25.20 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901` (i=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 20:25.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:25.28 | JeffM2501 | knowing the size of a tank is your only ref |
| 20:25.41 | JeffM2501 | or how high a tank can jump |
| 20:25.57 | SilentSwan | unbelievable.. i give up |
| 20:26.00 | SilentSwan | my head hurts |
| 20:26.21 | JeffM2501 | for comparisons it does work out where you can consider a bzflag unit to be about a meeter |
| 20:27.33 | SilentSwan | ncurses is on the system. GL is on the system (all headers, etc... as well)... yet current cvs complains it cannot find either |
| 20:28.01 | JeffM2501 | did you do the pthreads thing? |
| 20:28.18 | SilentSwan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.41 | JeffM2501 | no the thing where you tell it to use libpthreads |
| 20:28.50 | SilentSwan | tried that as well |
| 20:28.50 | JeffM2501 | some systems can't compile the sample apps unless it uses it |
| 20:28.52 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:29.10 | SilentSwan | i've built it on this machine before, I *think*... if so,it was a while back |
| 20:30.23 | SilentSwan | CFLAGS are -O2 -pipe |
| 20:30.24 | SilentSwan | LDFLAGS are -lpthread -L/usr/X11R6/lib |
| 20:30.24 | SilentSwan | CPPFLAGS are -I/usr/X11R6/include -Wall -W -Wshadow |
| 20:30.24 | SilentSwan | LIBS are -lm -L/usr/lib -lcurl -L/usr/ssl/lib -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz |
| 20:30.38 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, tupone, and DTRemenak know much more about makefiles then little ol me :( |
| 20:31.04 | SilentSwan | it's not the makefile, it's configure that fails |
| 20:31.14 | JeffM2501 | to me that's all "makefile" stuff |
| 20:31.45 | SilentSwan | configure: WARNING: could not find a curses library, will build bzadmin without curses |
| 20:31.50 | SilentSwan | configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) |
| 20:31.56 | SilentSwan | *sigh* |
| 20:32.26 | JeffM2501 | there is a log file that will show you exactly what failed |
| 20:32.31 | JeffM2501 | that error is offten misleading |
| 20:32.38 | JeffM2501 | it just can't build the sample |
| 20:32.43 | JeffM2501 | not that it can't find the headers |
| 20:33.50 | brlcad | SilentSwan: you said you have built on that machine before? |
| 20:33.56 | brlcad | you do have gl.h and glu.h yes? |
| 20:34.06 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: I've had that problem before |
| 20:34.16 | SilentSwan | yes i do, brlcad |
| 20:34.19 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: its a *lost in transmission* to fix |
| 20:34.26 | SilentSwan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.31 | Ice_Wewe | there is your problem |
| 20:34.59 | Ice_Wewe | it needs to be in /usr/X11R6/lib/GL/ (I think, check to make sure that exists) |
| 20:35.10 | SilentSwan | there is other stuff in there |
| 20:35.18 | brlcad | SilentSwan: what's in your config.log regarding gl.h/glu.h ? (ignore the errors regarding "frameworks" |
| 20:35.18 | Ice_Wewe | I have to copy it there everyonce in a while to make it (when the OS deletes it) |
| 20:35.22 | SilentSwan | anyway, i've gotten it working before but only by disabling the test in configure |
| 20:35.31 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: yes, well, that is what fixed it for me |
| 20:35.32 | SilentSwan | brlcad the same message as i posted above |
| 20:35.38 | SilentSwan | ./ignore Ice_Wewe |
| 20:35.47 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:35.53 | Ice_Wewe | haha |
| 20:35.58 | SilentSwan | j/k |
| 20:36.04 | brlcad | SilentSwan: not configure's output, there's a config.log log file with details |
| 20:36.21 | SilentSwan | yes... hang on |
| 20:36.33 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: I can see you're in good hands, and don't need/wish my help. Best of luck! |
| 20:37.28 | SilentSwan | bah, it's ok... i'm not in the mood for this right now.. i'm at work |
| 20:37.33 | SilentSwan | i'll play with it later |
| 20:37.55 | SilentSwan | thanks anyway for the help |
| 20:39.11 | orchid | !dict trepan |
| 20:39.13 | Guu | orchid: wn and gcide responded: gcide: Trepan \Tre*pan"\, v. t. To insnare; to trap; to trapan. [1913 Webster] Guards even of a dozen men were silently trepanned from their stations. --De Quincey. [1913 Webster]; wn: trepan n 1: a surgical instrument used to remove sections of bone from the skull [syn: {trephine}] 2: a drill for cutting circular holes around a center v : cut a hole with a (3 more messages) |
| 20:39.37 | orchid | heh |
| 20:39.41 | brlcad | SilentSwan: no problem |
| 20:41.34 | Ice_Wewe | orchid: how __interesting__, I'll save this for later ;) |
| 20:41.53 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 20:41.55 | SilentSwan | scheisse!! |
| 20:42.02 | SilentSwan | i just checked my env variables |
| 20:42.02 | Ice_Wewe | eh? |
| 20:42.08 | Ice_Wewe | heh |
| 20:42.15 | Ice_Wewe | doesn't anyone here have real work? |
| 20:42.18 | SilentSwan | remember i said before something stupid about setting some stuff for ultrasparc? |
| 20:42.25 | Ice_Wewe | yes |
| 20:42.29 | SilentSwan | well... there was something else in there i missed... *THAT* was what was causing the error |
| 20:42.35 | Ice_Wewe | ahhh |
| 20:42.37 | Ice_Wewe | well |
| 20:42.38 | SilentSwan | i should go home and go back to sleep |
| 20:42.46 | Ice_Wewe | sounds good to me ;) |
| 20:42.59 | SilentSwan | can't believe i did that |
| 20:43.03 | Ice_Wewe | If your boss asks, Ice Wewe said it was ok |
| 20:43.07 | Ice_Wewe | ;) |
| 20:43.28 | brlcad | SilentSwan: if you want the simple, e-mail me the config.log and I can check more quickly |
| 20:43.31 | Ice_Wewe | SilentSwan: believe it, I do it all the time ;) that is one of the reasons I am so hated around here |
| 20:43.36 | SilentSwan | i got it, brlcad |
| 20:43.47 | Ice_Wewe | later guys (and gals) |
| 20:44.00 | SilentSwan | thanks, but it was an ENV variable i'd set in a script and didn't remove |
| 20:44.09 | brlcad | SilentSwan: you mean you fixed it |
| 20:44.13 | brlcad | ahh |
| 20:44.14 | SilentSwan | yes |
| 20:44.15 | brlcad | great |
| 20:44.16 | brlcad | :) |
| 20:44.26 | brlcad | LD_LIBRARY_PATH or something/ |
| 20:44.34 | SilentSwan | i'd had some compiler flags setup for ultrasparc (I'd copied the profile script over from a sparc) |
| 20:44.39 | SilentSwan | and forgot to remove all of them |
| 20:44.47 | SilentSwan | ~lart SilentSwan |
| 20:44.49 | brlcad | ah, k |
| 20:44.56 | SilentSwan | thank you sir may i have another???? |
| 20:44.58 | SilentSwan | ~lart SilentSwan |
| 20:45.46 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 20:47.06 | SilentSwan | ~lart SilentSwan |
| 20:47.15 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 20:48.31 | RPG_ | user? |
| 20:48.48 | RPG_ | as opposed to... |
| 20:48.57 | RPG_ | ~antonym user |
| 20:52.50 | SilentSwan | someone who has a clue |
| 20:53.23 | RPG_ | ahhh |
| 20:54.19 | SilentSwan | user = systems admin slang for end user - completely clueless |
| 20:54.34 | SilentSwan | also known as "code monkeys" :) |
| 20:55.02 | ToughShooter | Hmm, looks like someone forget to test graphics with narrow flag: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8571/768r7rgh3gt.jpg |
| 20:55.27 | ToughShooter | same with the 2.0 branch of today |
| 20:55.40 | RPG_ | gasp sportchich ain't an admin? |
| 20:55.51 | RPG_ | in the 2.0 line there's also a problem with /me |
| 20:56.02 | RPG_ | on the BZFS side |
| 20:56.08 | ToughShooter | it was broken |
| 20:56.15 | SilentSwan | oh cool... i just got a mail about a job opening for AIX admin... |
| 20:56.19 | SilentSwan | in plymouth MN |
| 20:56.20 | TheRedBaron | toughshooter: narrow has always done that |
| 20:56.20 | SilentSwan | *cry* |
| 20:56.21 | RPG_ | ~AIX |
| 20:56.25 | ibot | well, aix is the unix from the universe where Spock had a beard, or pronounced "aches", or more evil than HP-UX, or 'I can't believe it's not Unix'. Err, wait, it's IBM perverted bastard of Unix. the best Unix system around |
| 20:56.25 | RPG_ | awwwww |
| 20:56.25 | ToughShooter | that was fixed before 2.0.4, IIRC |
| 20:56.34 | SilentSwan | there is NOTHING in this area... i can't believe this |
| 20:56.36 | ToughShooter | TheRedBaron: Eek |
| 20:56.46 | RPG_ | chicago? |
| 20:56.52 | RPG_ | as in the city? |
| 20:56.54 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 20:56.57 | TheRedBaron | Toughshooter: its handy when looking for ST around the corners :) |
| 20:57.01 | SilentSwan | and NOTHING is more evil than HPUX |
| 20:57.23 | RPG_ | ~HPUX has NOTHING more evil than it |
| 20:57.41 | SilentSwan | ~hpux |
| 20:57.42 | ibot | methinks hpux is the worst of all unices out there (except for SCO of course), or more evil than AIX, or extremely painful |
| 20:57.51 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 20:57.57 | SilentSwan | i'll second that |
| 20:58.33 | ToughShooter | TheRedBaron: Any clue why it wasn't fixed a long time ago? :o |
| 20:58.35 | SilentSwan | 15-hour days preparing HP boxes for developers |
| 20:58.57 | RPG_ | software or hardware wise? |
| 20:59.38 | TheRedBaron | toughshooter: IMHO the bz crowd wasn't bothered that much by minor graphical, and the devs weren't that easy to get ahold of |
| 20:59.58 | SilentSwan | RPG_ both |
| 21:00.12 | TheRedBaron | we didn't have such huge database of the players, like there is at the forums now. |
| 21:02.12 | ToughShooter | All these effects, meshes, forg etc but they don't take care about such graphical problems? :o |
| 21:02.31 | ToughShooter | ~8ball should I go to bed? |
| 21:02.32 | ibot | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 21:02.54 | SilentSwan | ~8ball why can't i ever sleep? |
| 21:02.55 | ibot | Yes. |
| 21:03.00 | SilentSwan | stupid bot |
| 21:03.30 | SilentSwan | ~8ball will i fall asleep before 2am tonight? |
| 21:03.31 | ibot | Unsure. |
| 21:03.39 | SilentSwan | *sigh* |
| 21:03.59 | RPG_ | we have this stupid computer lab attendent |
| 21:04.20 | RPG_ | a friend needed a windows computer to print out a report, so i asked her, " |
| 21:04.27 | RPG_ | do you ahve any windows computers? |
| 21:04.29 | RPG_ | and she said: |
| 21:04.49 | RPG_ | "well, all of our macs run windows, if you're tlaking about you need a PC, there aren't any here but the library has some" |
| 21:05.01 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 21:05.16 | RPG_ | then she told me the hours of the library, but they were wrong |
| 21:07.33 | SilentSwan | that's something else that's messed up my ability to focus/concentrate |
| 21:08.19 | RPG_ | teacher:"My mother is one of those people who's always stoned. One day I coundted how many pills she took with breakfast, and she took 18! I told her it'd be cheaper if she just became a pusher, but she didn't listen to me" |
| 21:08.33 | brlcad | DTRemenak: why BRL-CAD of course, as soon as you finish up that BZFlag thing ;) |
| 21:09.40 | TheRedBaron | toughshooter: i cannot seem to find the screenshot... But there is this one bug, that I've "known" about for a long time, just it never bothered me enough to report it. |
| 21:09.47 | brlcad | SilentSwan: why would you want to do that? |
| 21:10.02 | SilentSwan | do what? |
| 21:10.08 | brlcad | sleep before 2am |
| 21:10.16 | brlcad | sleep at all ;) |
| 21:10.24 | SilentSwan | well... because i normally cannot |
| 21:10.24 | TheRedBaron | ~sleep |
| 21:10.26 | ibot | [sleep] overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 21:10.30 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I was thinking more on a task level than a project level :) |
| 21:10.46 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:10.50 | DTRemenak | although if you have something in mind... :) |
| 21:11.54 | SilentSwan | 04:10PM <+DTRemenak> although if you have something in mind... :) hmm.. usually when i say that, i'm not thinking about software |
| 21:12.17 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:12.29 | SilentSwan | maybe... visiting the chocolate shop, for example |
| 21:13.28 | RPG_ | DTRemenak, know Linux socketes? |
| 21:13.39 | brlcad | DTRemenak: well, if you're willing to move to the east coast, i'm sure something could be set up _real_ quick for you |
| 21:13.56 | DTRemenak | brlcad: hmm... :) |
| 21:14.33 | brlcad | just have to put up with a lot of politics, but that's just about everywhere ;) |
| 21:15.21 | brlcad | speaking of such, I've put up with enough for today .. time to hit the gym |
| 21:15.33 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:16.58 | SilentSwan | now that i'm monkeying with maps, i wish i'd saved all that stuff from when i had shattered running |
| 21:17.23 | menotume | ohhh, she monkey's around :) |
| 21:18.14 | SilentSwan | if only you knew :P |
| 21:20.01 | SilentSwan | if only you knew that i sit around at home staring at computer screens on friday nights |
| 21:20.12 | RPG_ | so do I! |
| 21:20.14 | unotmeu | hehe |
| 21:20.59 | RPG_ | i've gotten used to that feeling |
| 21:23.14 | SilentSwan | hmm... i should submit a few german cuss words for the swearlist file :) |
| 21:32.04 | SilentSwan | there's a lag flag now? hehe |
| 21:33.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:33.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: let world render know about editor |
| 21:33.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: give editor method to find textures |
| 21:36.35 | DTRemenak | SilentSwan: where did you see that? |
| 21:36.48 | SilentSwan | in the bzfs.conf |
| 21:38.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf: remove stray reference to the lag flag |
| 21:39.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf: remove stray reference to the lag flag |
| 21:39.37 | DTRemenak | thanks :) |
| 21:40.10 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 21:40.45 | DTRemenak | and to answer your question...in 1.11 there was a lag flag. it was removed before 2.0. |
| 21:40.55 | *** join/#bzflag gsnedders (n=gsnedder@host86-137-238-58.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:41.01 | SilentSwan | ah ok |
| 21:43.23 | *** join/#bzflag ep (n=ep@ip68-228-169-106.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 21:47.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/Win32/winApp.cpp: ./data/ not ./data |
| 21:48.18 | *** join/#bzflag Alex135 (n=8fcfc807@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:49.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/worldRender.h src/worldRender.cpp): texture the grass |
| 21:53.39 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 21:53.42 | Guu | SportyGal: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 66°F. |
| 21:53.52 | SilentSwan | !weather 61206 |
| 21:53.53 | SilentSwan | oops |
| 21:53.59 | SilentSwan | !weather 60126 |
| 21:54.02 | Guu | SilentSwan: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 52°F. |
| 21:54.13 | RPG_ | !weather KORD |
| 21:54.15 | Guu | RPG_: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 52°F. |
| 21:54.21 | RPG_ | ~weather KORD |
| 21:55.07 | Alex135 | attention all bzflag staff i have a very important thing to say.... we have a hacker gooing on bzflag |
| 21:55.32 | SilentSwan | Alex135??? details? |
| 21:55.34 | Alex135 | he asking for passwords and giting admin privlages |
| 21:56.02 | RPG_ | was he on your place? |
| 21:56.06 | SilentSwan | oh, some dimwit *gave* him a passwd? or did he find some way of getting it by less legit means? |
| 21:56.06 | Alex135 | ya |
| 21:56.10 | Alex135 | and i have a lot |
| 21:56.12 | RPG_ | do i gotta go over there and take care of him in a humiliating way? |
| 21:56.14 | Alex135 | *log |
| 21:56.20 | Alex135 | no |
| 21:56.22 | Alex135 | nhe is gone |
| 21:56.24 | RPG_ | oh wait i can't |
| 21:56.34 | SilentSwan | Alex135 you have his IP? Callsign? |
| 21:56.35 | RPG_ | streaming radio and BZFlag often get in bandwith firhgts |
| 21:56.41 | RPG_ | *fights |
| 21:57.12 | Alex135 | he at first went arround saying he was me |
| 21:57.20 | SilentSwan | oh... |
| 21:57.32 | SilentSwan | i wonder if it's the same one that was running around before doing likewise |
| 21:57.35 | Alex135 | then he lator went onto my server |
| 21:57.36 | SilentSwan | like a month ago |
| 21:57.38 | Alex135 | wit the same ip |
| 21:57.51 | Alex135 | and as cruel dog |
| 21:57.59 | SilentSwan | ip??? |
| 21:58.01 | Alex135 | i didnt notice tell it was to lagte |
| 21:58.28 | Alex135 | 24.15.179.85 |
| 21:58.39 | RPG_ | oh noes |
| 21:58.50 | RPG_ | my IP is 24.15.87.171 |
| 21:58.59 | RPG_ | please don't go banning the range! |
| 21:59.11 | RPG_ | ~dns 24.15.179.85 |
| 21:59.17 | SilentSwan | *eek* |
| 21:59.21 | RPG_ | illinois comcast |
| 21:59.26 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 21:59.37 | Alex135 | u can also c wehre he lives |
| 21:59.58 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.02 | RPG_ | lmao |
| 22:00.19 | Alex135 | ya thats him |
| 22:01.10 | Alex135 | i have an intire log file |
| 22:01.13 | Alex135 | full of him |
| 22:01.35 | *** join/#bzflag bz9599 (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:01.37 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, that's not "hacking" |
| 22:01.38 | SilentSwan | uh.. it's not me!!! :) |
| 22:01.40 | JeffM2501 | that is stupid admins |
| 22:01.48 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing we can do about stupid users |
| 22:01.58 | Alex135 | no he did hack |
| 22:02.04 | bz9599 | how to log onto CVS? |
| 22:02.07 | RPG_ | SilentSwan could go kick his ass : |
| 22:02.08 | RPG_ | :) |
| 22:02.11 | JeffM2501 | how did he "hack" |
| 22:02.12 | SilentSwan | haha |
| 22:02.25 | JeffM2501 | bz9599, www.bzflag.org -> cvs access link on the left hand side |
| 22:02.28 | bz9599 | he gained the password of crule dog |
| 22:02.33 | Alex135 | i dont know but i have a frind who dose |
| 22:02.41 | JeffM2501 | then that is a stupid user |
| 22:02.41 | bz9599 | he hacked my server |
| 22:03.22 | JeffM2501 | he didn't hack it he loged in |
| 22:03.22 | JeffM2501 | how did he "hack" it? |
| 22:03.22 | bz9599 | he was set as LOCAL.ADMIN |
| 22:03.22 | Alex135 | c? |
| 22:03.22 | bz9599 | with nothing of my knownledge |
| 22:03.23 | bz9599 | Lithum 1 was his user name |
| 22:03.28 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:03.31 | bz9599 | same ip |
| 22:03.35 | JeffM2501 | what OS do you use? |
| 22:03.38 | Alex135 | windows |
| 22:03.40 | Alex135 | xp |
| 22:03.44 | JeffM2501 | for the server? |
| 22:03.49 | bz9599 | i'm using linux |
| 22:03.49 | JeffM2501 | did you firewall that thing? |
| 22:03.55 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:03.59 | JeffM2501 | how did the person "hack" your linux system then? |
| 22:04.00 | Alex135 | he is very sicur |
| 22:04.01 | JeffM2501 | is it open? |
| 22:04.04 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:04.07 | Alex135 | we dont know |
| 22:04.11 | bz9599 | i've got a pro firewal running on my box |
| 22:04.16 | Alex135 | but bzflag is opensorce |
| 22:04.22 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:04.27 | Alex135 | and he can go and find out |
| 22:04.34 | JeffM2501 | but it dosnt' allow general file IO access |
| 22:04.42 | bz9599 | somehow he was able to get himself the group of local.admin |
| 22:04.45 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet a retard just let his passowrd get you |
| 22:04.46 | JeffM2501 | out |
| 22:05.01 | JeffM2501 | not knowing your config there are many ways to do that |
| 22:05.14 | JeffM2501 | is cruel dog a full admin? |
| 22:05.19 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:05.22 | bz9599 | anyway i want to get connected to the CVS at sf.net how whats the connection line? |
| 22:05.23 | Alex135 | that is the problum |
| 22:05.27 | JeffM2501 | are you using global or local authenticaon? |
| 22:05.35 | JeffM2501 | bz9599, what is cvs doing to do for you? |
| 22:05.50 | JeffM2501 | and I told you where to read the instructions for cvs access |
| 22:06.10 | bz9599 | o i c thx |
| 22:06.12 | JeffM2501 | I think you 2 need to calm down and think about what happend |
| 22:06.29 | JeffM2501 | but I'm beeting your children and just flying off the handle for no reason |
| 22:06.29 | Alex135 | u want to c what hapined? |
| 22:06.29 | *** part/#bzflag bz9599 (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:06.32 | JeffM2501 | I want you to type in english |
| 22:06.32 | Alex135 | i have logs |
| 22:06.39 | JeffM2501 | and I want you to explain it simply |
| 22:06.47 | *** join/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:06.48 | Alex135 | *calms down* |
| 22:06.50 | JeffM2501 | is your server set up for global logins? |
| 22:06.55 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:07.01 | Alex135 | but not online right now |
| 22:07.05 | Webstrand | ok i'm back |
| 22:07.09 | JeffM2501 | what global username did the user log in as? |
| 22:07.20 | Alex135 | he wasent loged in that is the prob |
| 22:07.23 | Alex135 | not on mine |
| 22:07.30 | Alex135 | but he hacked webstrands server |
| 22:07.37 | Webstrand | ya lol |
| 22:07.47 | JeffM2501 | ok, then Alex135 since he didn't do a thing to your server, I need you to stop talking |
| 22:07.54 | Alex135 | sry |
| 22:07.55 | Alex135 | ok |
| 22:08.00 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, what was the username that was added to your groups file? |
| 22:08.16 | Webstrand | i have it fixed and i know bzflag donst allwo IO access |
| 22:08.17 | JeffM2501 | and is your server set up for global auth? |
| 22:08.26 | Webstrand | Lithum 1 |
| 22:08.44 | JeffM2501 | was he a globaly authenticated user? |
| 22:08.52 | Webstrand | there is no pass in the user pass file so he registered here on the forums |
| 22:09.00 | JeffM2501 | not here, on the forums |
| 22:09.06 | JeffM2501 | IRC has nothing to do with it |
| 22:09.12 | JeffM2501 | let me check for him, one sec |
| 22:09.52 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=56222#56222 |
| 22:10.23 | JeffM2501 | there is no global user by lithium 1 |
| 22:10.38 | JeffM2501 | so even if he was in your groups file there is no way for him to authenticate |
| 22:10.40 | Webstrand | hmm... he didnt use /register ... |
| 22:10.50 | Webstrand | ok |
| 22:10.56 | Alex135 | he did hack |
| 22:10.58 | JeffM2501 | he can't use register |
| 22:11.07 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, shut up please, you have 0 clue of what you speak |
| 22:11.07 | Webstrand | he didnt do anything he just messed up the setvars |
| 22:11.26 | Alex135 | :( |
| 22:11.26 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, does your server have a /password? |
| 22:11.31 | Webstrand | yes |
| 22:11.38 | JeffM2501 | did he perhaps guess that? |
| 22:11.45 | JeffM2501 | is it a simple password? |
| 22:11.46 | Webstrand | the /password was 49103 |
| 22:11.53 | Webstrand | i chenged it |
| 22:11.57 | Webstrand | changed* |
| 22:11.58 | JeffM2501 | did you ever let it slip out? |
| 22:12.02 | Webstrand | no |
| 22:12.06 | JeffM2501 | maybe forget the / once? |
| 22:12.08 | Webstrand | i safeguard my pass |
| 22:12.20 | Webstrand | on my server it is in the badwords list |
| 22:12.29 | SilentSwan | ooh, clever |
| 22:12.39 | Alex135 | yes very |
| 22:12.39 | RPG_ | sportchick did that once on secretplace, forfot the / in front of pasword... |
| 22:13.00 | JeffM2501 | well it could have been brute forced |
| 22:13.02 | RPG_ | taht could also go the wrong way though |
| 22:13.17 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to check your logs and see what he did |
| 22:13.17 | RPG_ | such as if I say, "Hey, I forgot my password!" |
| 22:13.25 | JeffM2501 | but I'm betting somone let it get out |
| 22:13.29 | RPG_ | it would turn into "Hey, I forgot my &$)&$@#" |
| 22:13.34 | RPG_ | if you password was 'password' |
| 22:13.41 | Webstrand | thats the thing i dont have logs |
| 22:13.45 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, then it's your fualt for having a stupid passowrd |
| 22:13.56 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, then you can't do a thing at all, and all you can do is guess |
| 22:14.03 | JeffM2501 | so just see if it happens again |
| 22:14.13 | Webstrand | ya i got my logger running now |
| 22:14.16 | SilentSwan | rule #1 log everything |
| 22:14.21 | SilentSwan | rule #2 log it again |
| 22:14.24 | JeffM2501 | generaly when people try to "hack" a server all it does is crash |
| 22:15.09 | Webstrand | oh also the only thing i give my cops is kick so they couldnt have done anything |
| 22:15.34 | Aribeth | rull #3 if you are going to hack a server, know what you are doing |
| 22:15.56 | Aribeth | use the source luke |
| 22:16.16 | Webstrand | anyway i g2g and get masterbot cya all |
| 22:16.19 | *** part/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:16.47 | TD-Linux | hehe... masterbot isn't near done yet :P |
| 22:16.52 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah cus an unsecure system with your server password makes it ALL better |
| 22:17.13 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901` (i=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 22:17.13 | Aribeth | EEEEEKKKKK!!!!!! |
| 22:17.22 | Alex135 | can i talk now or are u gona tell me to shut up agin |
| 22:18.02 | JeffM2501 | I just didn't need you interjecting things into the middle of the converstaion when you didn't really have any info or anything to add. |
| 22:18.07 | JeffM2501 | you can allways talk |
| 22:18.14 | TD-Linux | Alex135, as long as you know what you are talking about, JeffM2501's nice... but if you don't, beware |
| 22:18.43 | SilentSwan | yeah, he's a monster |
| 22:18.44 | JeffM2501 | and don't listen to TD-Linux because he dosn't know what he's talking about ether |
| 22:18.54 | SilentSwan | ogre |
| 22:19.12 | Aribeth | jeffM2501 is just evil :P |
| 22:19.14 | Alex135 | look i was just saying that i had a whold bunch of info about the guy becus he messed my server right after i had just installed my loger |
| 22:19.16 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-28-45.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:20.20 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, you didn't have much info, mostly you just kept shouting "hacker", when we were trying to get info from a server owner who did have an issue |
| 22:20.25 | JeffM2501 | names and IPs of people don't matter |
| 22:20.35 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501's warhead-tipped dart skims Aribeth's hair |
| 22:20.53 | Alex135 | but i loged evrything he did just saying |
| 22:20.57 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, what are you talking about |
| 22:21.03 | Aribeth | ~lart TD-Linux |
| 22:21.09 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, did he register, or do any password stuff? |
| 22:21.15 | JeffM2501 | sorry Alex135 not td :) |
| 22:21.29 | Alex135 | no he didnt |
| 22:21.44 | Alex135 | well he loged in as a registerd |
| 22:21.46 | Alex135 | person |
| 22:21.50 | JeffM2501 | under what name? |
| 22:22.05 | Alex135 | 3 of em |
| 22:22.06 | Alex135 | Lithium |
| 22:22.07 | Alex135 | Lithium 2 |
| 22:22.15 | Alex135 | and Cruel Dog |
| 22:22.42 | JeffM2501 | I got nothin for ligh* |
| 22:22.45 | JeffM2501 | lith* |
| 22:23.00 | JeffM2501 | cruel dog could be changing his username |
| 22:23.04 | JeffM2501 | he is a retard |
| 22:23.18 | Alex135 | no becus the ip was not cruel dog's |
| 22:23.33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:23.44 | JeffM2501 | well the lithiums didn't authenticate over bzbb |
| 22:23.53 | JeffM2501 | does your server allow local auth? |
| 22:23.59 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:24.08 | JeffM2501 | do you have them in your local user database? |
| 22:24.14 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:24.30 | JeffM2501 | ok so they /registered |
| 22:24.36 | JeffM2501 | did they add anything to your groups? |
| 22:24.42 | Alex135 | let me check |
| 22:25.43 | Alex135 | ya they are registerd |
| 22:25.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:25.50 | JeffM2501 | so they are local users |
| 22:25.56 | Alex135 | yes |
| 22:25.59 | JeffM2501 | what did they do to your server to "hack" it? |
| 22:26.11 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 22:26.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 22:26.20 | Alex135 | well they didnt nesicarly hack it they hacked webstrand's |
| 22:26.31 | SilentSwan | omg |
| 22:26.32 | Alex135 | but all i said what that i had info about them |
| 22:26.35 | JeffM2501 | I am not so sure they did on his |
| 22:26.44 | Alex135 | well i am |
| 22:26.46 | JeffM2501 | there is no evedence that shows anything |
| 22:26.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:27.04 | JeffM2501 | you do know local admin is weak right |
| 22:27.14 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:27.14 | JeffM2501 | it uses plain text passwords |
| 22:27.21 | JeffM2501 | so it's REALY easy for them to get out |
| 22:27.21 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:28.11 | Alex135 | hmmm but i dont understannd is that i got baned on my server by one of them |
| 22:28.47 | Alex135 | i had to git one of my miniadmins to come unban me |
| 22:29.07 | JeffM2501 | ok, so do the logs show them banning you? |
| 22:29.12 | JeffM2501 | and what the ban was? |
| 22:29.26 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:29.31 | Alex135 | let me git it up |
| 22:29.55 | JeffM2501 | and if your server is on windows, did you protect it and block of the non bzflag ports? |
| 22:30.16 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:30.21 | Alex135 | i did |
| 22:31.44 | Alex135 | sry my log is kinda long |
| 22:32.13 | JeffM2501 | use pastebin |
| 22:32.29 | Alex135 | k thx hold on |
| 22:32.39 | Alex135 | u want me to past the entire thing? |
| 22:32.48 | JeffM2501 | no just the part with the ban |
| 22:32.48 | Alex135 | or just the part where he baned me? |
| 22:32.53 | Alex135 | ok hold on |
| 22:34.43 | Alex135 | Player Lithium [1] -> All: /ban Alex135 because did not tell password |
| 22:34.43 | Alex135 | Player Alex135 [0] removed at 2005-10-27 16:11:34: /ban |
| 22:35.06 | JeffM2501 | did he do any /password commands before that |
| 22:35.10 | JeffM2501 | or anything else that looked odd? |
| 22:35.18 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:35.28 | JeffM2501 | did he even /identify? |
| 22:35.28 | Alex135 | he just kept asking for the admin pass and i said no |
| 22:36.20 | JeffM2501 | is he static or dynamic IP? |
| 22:36.22 | Alex135 | wiat yes he used idetnify |
| 22:36.30 | Alex135 | he is static i think |
| 22:36.36 | JeffM2501 | in your user db, what groups is he in? |
| 22:36.55 | Alex135 | he was in miniadmin |
| 22:37.04 | SilentSwan | it's a comcast IP - probably dynamic |
| 22:37.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:37.11 | SilentSwan | cable |
| 22:37.19 | JeffM2501 | check your logs to find out who added him to minadmin |
| 22:37.43 | Alex135 | Cruel dog |
| 22:37.46 | Alex135 | but the fake one |
| 22:37.57 | JeffM2501 | and what group is that user in? |
| 22:38.12 | Alex135 | let me check |
| 22:38.58 | Alex135 | CRUEL DOG |
| 22:38.58 | Alex135 | EVERYONE VERIFIED LOCAL.GLOBAL |
| 22:39.23 | JeffM2501 | and in your groups list what do those groups have access to? |
| 22:39.46 | Alex135 | only the defult stings of everyone exc. |
| 22:39.55 | Alex135 | *seting |
| 22:40.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:40.32 | JeffM2501 | then did that curel dog user do a /password before he added the lithium user? |
| 22:40.38 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:40.56 | JeffM2501 | what log level is your server at? |
| 22:40.59 | JeffM2501 | how many -d ? |
| 22:41.12 | Alex135 | just -d |
| 22:41.17 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:41.21 | JeffM2501 | so you don't log much at all |
| 22:41.33 | Alex135 | that is all i was told |
| 22:41.36 | JeffM2501 | did you ever have a weak /password? |
| 22:41.40 | JeffM2501 | or ever let it get out? |
| 22:41.44 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:41.51 | JeffM2501 | you can have up to 4 ds |
| 22:41.54 | Alex135 | i changed it evry week |
| 22:41.57 | JeffM2501 | for max loging |
| 22:42.21 | JeffM2501 | is the real cruel dog an admin on your system? |
| 22:42.21 | *** join/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:42.28 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:42.42 | Alex135 | just a regular registerd user |
| 22:42.44 | Webstrand | TD-linux? |
| 22:43.01 | Webstrand | hi alex |
| 22:43.04 | JeffM2501 | well there dosn't seem to be any rason the user should have perms to add users to group |
| 22:43.08 | JeffM2501 | not with out a /passowrd |
| 22:43.14 | Alex135 | i know |
| 22:43.15 | JeffM2501 | it's possible your system didn't log it |
| 22:43.22 | JeffM2501 | and he could have brute forced it |
| 22:43.35 | Webstrand | it would still be logged |
| 22:43.43 | JeffM2501 | not if he was only doing -d |
| 22:43.44 | Webstrand | is TD-linux on? |
| 22:43.47 | JeffM2501 | not a single one |
| 22:44.19 | JeffM2501 | usualy loging at -ddd is good |
| 22:44.26 | JeffM2501 | that gets most of the important stuff |
| 22:44.36 | Alex135 | thx |
| 22:44.51 | JeffM2501 | I'd also highly recomend NOT using local users |
| 22:44.57 | JeffM2501 | it's very easy for passwords to get out |
| 22:45.05 | JeffM2501 | and very easy for people to fake other users |
| 22:45.15 | JeffM2501 | it is possible one of your admins let there password out |
| 22:45.56 | Alex135 | well no becus only i have the ip ban |
| 22:46.06 | JeffM2501 | ip ban? |
| 22:46.17 | Alex135 | baning the ip |
| 22:46.32 | JeffM2501 | what does that have to do with other admins leting out ther passords? |
| 22:46.45 | Alex135 | i was baned from my server |
| 22:46.54 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:47.01 | Alex135 | i am back in it |
| 22:47.02 | JeffM2501 | your mini admins have ban perm right? |
| 22:47.06 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:47.10 | *** part/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:47.24 | JeffM2501 | the question is not of him baning but of how he got into your mini admin group |
| 22:47.33 | JeffM2501 | he baned you because he was in that group |
| 22:47.43 | Alex135 | i know |
| 22:47.44 | *** join/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:47.54 | Alex135 | but i dont git how he got thier |
| 22:48.02 | Webstrand | i run in -dddd |
| 22:48.09 | JeffM2501 | 4ds is a lot |
| 22:48.17 | JeffM2501 | often too much for slow systems |
| 22:48.26 | Webstrand | yes but for running plugins its good |
| 22:48.30 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, do any other uers have the ability to set groups besides you? |
| 22:48.33 | Alex135 | i have a fast system |
| 22:48.40 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:48.41 | Webstrand | i do |
| 22:48.45 | Alex135 | no u dont |
| 22:48.49 | Webstrand | u gave me the perm |
| 22:48.52 | Alex135 | only if u hack my server |
| 22:49.00 | Webstrand | no thats how i did it |
| 22:49.10 | Webstrand | look in ur groups file |
| 22:49.17 | Alex135 | no ur a miniadmin |
| 22:49.19 | Webstrand | i have the perms to set groups |
| 22:49.23 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:49.26 | Alex135 | only i do |
| 22:49.27 | JeffM2501 | what perms does mini admin have? |
| 22:49.29 | Webstrand | but u added the perm to my group |
| 22:49.36 | Alex135 | let me show u hold on |
| 22:49.40 | Webstrand | um setvar setgroup ban kick |
| 22:49.49 | Webstrand | playerlist |
| 22:50.08 | JeffM2501 | well that thats how the other user got in there, a mini admin did it |
| 22:50.11 | Webstrand | can you set /help command for an admin only? |
| 22:50.19 | JeffM2501 | you should not have mini admins have that permision |
| 22:50.21 | Webstrand | i'm the only miniadmin |
| 22:50.32 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:50.37 | Webstrand | i'm his best friend |
| 22:50.41 | Alex135 | others r in that group |
| 22:50.42 | Webstrand | what????? |
| 22:50.45 | Alex135 | ya |
| 22:50.49 | Alex135 | u never noticed |
| 22:50.51 | Webstrand | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:50.51 | JeffM2501 | are your logs posibly hosted on a web server? |
| 22:50.52 | Guu | Webstrand: bafuuuuuu! |
| 22:50.59 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:51.16 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like you 2 have some issues to work out |
| 22:51.17 | Alex135 | they arnt |
| 22:51.30 | Alex135 | ya but that is beside the point |
| 22:51.35 | JeffM2501 | do you perhaps have more then one groups file |
| 22:51.40 | Alex135 | no |
| 22:51.44 | Alex135 | only 1 |
| 22:51.46 | JeffM2501 | what does the in game perms list show for the mini admins? |
| 22:51.52 | Webstrand | alex? i have a logger for u |
| 22:51.56 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno285 (n=beaulieu@206.8.175.121) |
| 22:52.00 | Alex135 | actionMessage adminMessageReceive adminMessage Sendantiban antideregister antikick antikill antipoll antipollban antipollkick antipollkill ban banlist countdown date endGame flagHistory flagMod idleStats info kick kill lagStats lagwarn listPerms masterban mute playerList poll pollBan pollKick pollKill pollSet pollFlagReset privateMessage record rejoin removePerms replay requireIdentify say sendHelp shortBan showOthers spawn talk unban unmute veto vie |
| 22:52.05 | Inferno285 | who's deleting my posts? |
| 22:52.17 | Webstrand | n cya afk a bit |
| 22:52.19 | Inferno285 | come one, speak up |
| 22:52.31 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, what are you talking about? |
| 22:52.36 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, what is that from |
| 22:52.46 | Alex135 | mini admin |
| 22:53.19 | JeffM2501 | from the file or in game? |
| 22:53.26 | Inferno285 | can RPG delete posts? |
| 22:53.29 | Alex135 | file |
| 22:53.31 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, no |
| 22:53.34 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, check in game |
| 22:53.45 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, what are you talking about, tell us, we can't read your mind |
| 22:53.52 | JeffM2501 | where were your posts? |
| 22:53.55 | Alex135 | and game i just realised |
| 22:53.56 | JeffM2501 | and when did you make them? |
| 22:54.14 | Inferno285 | I posted something under chat->digg bzflag |
| 22:54.19 | Inferno285 | is gone |
| 22:54.22 | JeffM2501 | and you haven't ever changed the groups file recently? Alex135 |
| 22:54.28 | Alex135 | sry i have a parent teacher confrence |
| 22:54.39 | Alex135 | i g2g and no i havent |
| 22:54.43 | JeffM2501 | of course you do |
| 22:54.45 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 22:55.02 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, what did you post? |
| 22:55.04 | Alex135 | lol thx i will try lol |
| 22:55.17 | Inferno285 | Jeff, can you like, check post history and deleted posts and stuff? |
| 22:55.23 | Alex135 | i will be bakc to continu on how to fix the prob tomaro |
| 22:55.26 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, what did you post |
| 22:55.30 | Alex135 | night |
| 22:55.39 | JeffM2501 | the forums don't keep a history of deleted posts |
| 22:55.45 | Inferno285 | something like "hey, how are we suposed to find more players" |
| 22:56.05 | JeffM2501 | dono man |
| 22:56.16 | Inferno285 | ok, thx anyways |
| 22:56.28 | Inferno285 | I was thinking I had a bad rep already, whew |
| 22:56.46 | Inferno285 | rep == reputation |
| 22:56.50 | JeffM2501 | we know |
| 22:57.01 | Inferno285 | know what :)? |
| 22:57.12 | JeffM2501 | what rep means |
| 22:57.18 | Inferno285 | ah, cool |
| 22:57.29 | JeffM2501 | where do they come from Aribeth? |
| 22:57.33 | JeffM2501 | seriously |
| 22:57.45 | Webstrand | o btw if u want my server is running |
| 22:57.56 | JeffM2501 | it's like someone forgot to lock the monkey farm |
| 22:57.57 | Aribeth | i wish i knew.....wait.....I DON'T WANA KNOW! |
| 22:57.59 | Inferno285 | Jeff, we come form all over |
| 22:58.09 | Inferno285 | are you an evolutionist |
| 22:58.21 | JeffM2501 | are you homeschooled? |
| 22:58.29 | Webstrand | i am |
| 22:58.30 | Inferno285 | yeah, y? |
| 22:58.31 | Aribeth | im a Budist |
| 22:58.41 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, because it makes SO much sense :) |
| 22:58.44 | Inferno285 | aribeth, seriously? |
| 22:58.49 | Aribeth | yep |
| 22:58.52 | *** part/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:59.01 | Inferno285 | tell ya what, I'm a christian |
| 22:59.04 | Aribeth | ummmm |
| 22:59.10 | Inferno285 | Jeff, SICK |
| 22:59.12 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, there is a suprise |
| 22:59.19 | JeffM2501 | what's wrong with a belly? |
| 22:59.22 | Aribeth | Budda say don't feed the trolls |
| 22:59.26 | JeffM2501 | budda belly is lucky |
| 22:59.39 | JeffM2501 | but it's fun |
| 22:59.47 | meacan | BuddaZone Flag :) |
| 22:59.55 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 22:59.59 | Inferno285 | haha, your scarying me |
| 23:00.14 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:00.18 | JeffM2501 | you don't like budda? |
| 23:00.33 | Inferno285 | we don't look eye to eye |
| 23:00.40 | JeffM2501 | well you are young |
| 23:00.41 | Inferno285 | Aribeth, how old? |
| 23:00.45 | JeffM2501 | your probably shorter then us |
| 23:00.48 | Aribeth | that much is certain |
| 23:00.54 | Aribeth | 52 |
| 23:01.10 | Aribeth | im 5'7" |
| 23:01.11 | Inferno285 | ooookkkkkk |
| 23:01.24 | Inferno285 | I'm taller...I think |
| 23:01.29 | JeffM2501 | you think? |
| 23:01.58 | Inferno285 | what is 72" ? |
| 23:02.08 | Inferno285 | ~72/12 |
| 23:02.12 | ibot | 6 |
| 23:02.12 | JeffM2501 | how many inches are in a foot? |
| 23:02.15 | JeffM2501 | don't they teach you math? |
| 23:02.20 | Inferno285 | haha, I'm 6 feet |
| 23:02.32 | JeffM2501 | impresive use of the internet to come to that fact |
| 23:02.39 | Inferno285 | thx |
| 23:03.06 | Inferno285 | actually I was that at my last physical, so I'm taller now |
| 23:03.23 | JeffM2501 | must be what they put in the water |
| 23:03.53 | Inferno285 | really, I supose you have different water where you live |
| 23:04.33 | JeffM2501 | no I'm prety sure H20 stays the same everywhere in the universe |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't then it's not water |
| 23:05.12 | Inferno285 | where do you live, wait I'll see If I can't figure it out |
| 23:05.32 | JeffM2501 | hoooo boy, here we go |
| 23:06.57 | JeffM2501 | I think he's hacking me |
| 23:07.13 | Inferno285 | lol, no. CA. |
| 23:07.25 | Inferno285 | it's under your profile on bzbb |
| 23:07.32 | JeffM2501 | yes, yes it is |
| 23:07.39 | Inferno285 | is it correct? |
| 23:07.50 | JeffM2501 | would I have put it up there if it wasn't? |
| 23:08.18 | JeffM2501 | adjuration is so last year, it's all about evocation now Aribeth |
| 23:08.33 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 23:08.35 | Inferno285 | ~adjuration |
| 23:08.38 | Inferno285 | ~evocation |
| 23:08.50 | Aribeth | lol |
| 23:08.52 | JeffM2501 | please don't abuse ibot |
| 23:09.05 | Inferno285 | I'm using him... |
| 23:09.13 | JeffM2501 | then use him in private with a /msg |
| 23:09.18 | JeffM2501 | we don't need to see that you don't know a word |
| 23:09.29 | Inferno285 | ok, will do |
| 23:10.12 | Aribeth | school must be out and the homework is in the waistbasket |
| 23:10.29 | Inferno285 | actually my dog ate it |
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| 23:10.46 | Webstrand | hi |
| 23:10.50 | JeffM2501 | your dog ate a web page? |
| 23:10.54 | Webstrand | how to use masterbot? |
| 23:11.05 | Aribeth | ROFLOL! |
| 23:11.08 | JeffM2501 | there is a #masterbot IIRC |
| 23:11.14 | Webstrand | oh ok |
| 23:11.16 | *** part/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:11.18 | Inferno285 | he chewed on my LAN cable, so now "only" certain stuff comes threw :p |
| 23:11.33 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, you need to learn to lie better then that |
| 23:11.40 | *** join/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:11.48 | Webstrand | there isnt one now |
| 23:12.00 | JeffM2501 | well we didn't make masterbot |
| 23:12.03 | Aribeth | i have a bridge for sale :P |
| 23:12.04 | JeffM2501 | they do have there own forum |
| 23:12.06 | Inferno285 | hm, my teacher believes me |
| 23:12.10 | Webstrand | where? |
| 23:12.19 | *** part/#bzflag Webstrand (n=44494246@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:12.33 | JeffM2501 | evocation, alteration, abjuration, conjouration, and divination |
| 23:13.25 | JeffM2501 | your not a monk, your a paladin |
| 23:13.29 | Inferno285 | Jeff, you will die someday. Is that good? |
| 23:13.32 | JeffM2501 | it's all charisma bonus for you |
| 23:13.39 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, what? |
| 23:13.43 | JeffM2501 | are you threating me? |
| 23:13.46 | Aribeth | :) |
| 23:13.56 | Inferno285 | I mean like, someday |
| 23:14.00 | Inferno285 | divination... |
| 23:14.11 | JeffM2501 | depends how it all ends up |
| 23:14.20 | JeffM2501 | many paths lead to many difrent places |
| 23:14.23 | Aribeth | when I die I will really start to live :) |
| 23:14.27 | Inferno285 | are you a budda persono too? |
| 23:14.44 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:14.58 | Inferno285 | christian...catholic...atheist? |
| 23:15.14 | JeffM2501 | why do I have to put in one of your little categorys? |
| 23:15.35 | Inferno285 | ok, you tell me what you are |
| 23:15.46 | JeffM2501 | I am me |
| 23:15.50 | Aribeth | nosy |
| 23:15.59 | JeffM2501 | every person finds there own path |
| 23:16.05 | Inferno285 | yeah, ok |
| 23:16.07 | JeffM2501 | not every path has a label |
| 23:16.24 | Aribeth | i walk my own path to enlightment |
| 23:16.27 | JeffM2501 | the weak of will tend to follow the paths with the bigest signs |
| 23:16.37 | JeffM2501 | even if it may not be the path they wish to walk |
| 23:16.48 | Inferno285 | are you calling me weak? |
| 23:17.08 | JeffM2501 | I just stated an option |
| 23:17.13 | JeffM2501 | that is all |
| 23:17.26 | JeffM2501 | how you follow your path is your bix |
| 23:17.28 | JeffM2501 | not mine |
| 23:17.40 | Aribeth | ditto |
| 23:17.56 | Inferno285 | I won't be like, offended, if you diss my religion or anything |
| 23:18.06 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 23:18.28 | JeffM2501 | as I said, your path is your own, I'm sure you've thought long and hard about it |
| 23:18.40 | Inferno285 | yeah, ok |
| 23:19.27 | Aribeth | Nam Myoho Renge Kio |
| 23:19.36 | Inferno285 | what language is that? |
| 23:19.37 | Aribeth | if i spelled it right |
| 23:19.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:19.54 | Aribeth | Japanees |
| 23:20.04 | Inferno285 | wth does it mean? |
| 23:20.06 | JeffM2501 | nihondes |
| 23:20.14 | Aribeth | its a buddist chant |
| 23:20.32 | Inferno285 | are you REALLY buddist? |
| 23:20.37 | JeffM2501 | I am a leaf on the wind.. watch how I soar. |
| 23:20.45 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, why do you not belive her? |
| 23:20.53 | Aribeth | i knew a person that could breath regularly while chanting without breaking kadence |
| 23:21.02 | JeffM2501 | that's some chi |
| 23:21.09 | Aribeth | YES I AM inferno |
| 23:21.27 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, did we question you when you said you were christian? |
| 23:21.31 | Inferno285 | do you have more than one God, and worship |
| 23:21.36 | Inferno285 | em all |
| 23:21.42 | JeffM2501 | perpahs you should go learn about the rest of the world |
| 23:21.44 | JeffM2501 | it's a big place |
| 23:21.50 | SilentSwan | i don't believe buddhists worship gods really |
| 23:22.01 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly just following an ideal |
| 23:22.01 | Inferno285 | what are you SS? |
| 23:22.05 | JeffM2501 | or philosophy |
| 23:22.08 | SilentSwan | it's more a philosophy than a religion, at least as how i interpret it |
| 23:22.11 | SilentSwan | me? i'm nothing |
| 23:22.17 | SilentSwan | i make my own way |
| 23:22.19 | Inferno285 | oh |
| 23:22.23 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, why must you label people |
| 23:22.23 | Aribeth | i beleive in a universal creative force. we are all one with it |
| 23:22.59 | Aribeth | that force is everything and everyone |
| 23:23.05 | Inferno285 | JeffM2501, I don't label people by "christian, catholiic, etc." |
| 23:23.07 | JeffM2501 | we are all simply terrans |
| 23:23.16 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, yet you keep asking "what are you?" |
| 23:23.20 | JeffM2501 | you are asking for a label |
| 23:23.36 | Inferno285 | I'm wondering what they think they are.... |
| 23:23.39 | JeffM2501 | just accept people who they are |
| 23:23.43 | JeffM2501 | they are who they are |
| 23:23.55 | Inferno285 | I accept anyone and everyone all the same |
| 23:23.55 | JeffM2501 | what does it matter what there personal belifes on life are? |
| 23:24.17 | JeffM2501 | yet you seemed shocked that aribeth is a buddist |
| 23:24.26 | JeffM2501 | asking her to clerify her label for you |
| 23:24.34 | Aribeth | inferno285, go read some Edgar Casey books |
| 23:25.01 | Inferno285 | I'm not being mean to her or anything, and if she ashamed of her label. She shouldn't be a buddhist |
| 23:25.06 | Aribeth | read some Dao, and Buddist books |
| 23:25.11 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, I never said you were being mean |
| 23:25.20 | JeffM2501 | I never said she was ashamed ether |
| 23:25.23 | JeffM2501 | these are all your words |
| 23:25.26 | Aribeth | why not |
| 23:25.31 | JeffM2501 | watch them carefly :) |
| 23:25.34 | Inferno285 | well, for one, I'm testing her buddhist "strength" |
| 23:25.42 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:25.49 | JeffM2501 | who are you to apply your "tests" to others? |
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| 23:26.04 | Inferno285 | I'm a christian, and I hope to advance the kingdom of God |
| 23:26.05 | JeffM2501 | why do you not let her be in peace? |
| 23:26.16 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, great, hope it works out for ya |
| 23:26.17 | spldart | omg |
| 23:26.18 | Aribeth | then you shouldnt be a christan |
| 23:26.27 | Aribeth | works both ways |
| 23:26.43 | SilentSwan | christians scare me... just my $0.02 |
| 23:26.45 | Inferno285 | Aribeth, why? |
| 23:26.46 | Aribeth | yes speldart its deep in here tonight |
| 23:26.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah to her, you are never going to reach nervana |
| 23:27.13 | spldart | Looks like I walked into something... BTW... I know scripture real well.... so don't say something stupid mr. christian |
| 23:27.24 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:27.35 | Aribeth | lol |
| 23:27.37 | spldart | I've even read the koran a touch too |
| 23:27.42 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, but your a paladin!!!! |
| 23:27.45 | spldart | Just to know the muslim point of view a bit |
| 23:27.49 | Aribeth | well speldart, im a buddist |
| 23:27.56 | spldart | and some judaism |
| 23:28.02 | JeffM2501 | like broadsword and lay on hands and everything |
| 23:28.05 | Aribeth | im multi class baybe |
| 23:28.06 | spldart | been to japan and china |
| 23:28.15 | spldart | know a bit of budda and taoism |
| 23:28.47 | spldart | and slightly familiar with hinduism |
| 23:29.22 | spldart | unofficial road scholar familiar with the EAST |
| 23:29.27 | Aribeth | inferno285, study all beleifs and you will find enlightenment |
| 23:29.46 | spldart | books and internet are good.... a plane trip is better in some ways :) |
| 23:30.00 | JeffM2501 | can't read well on the net, need a 20inch tablet PC |
| 23:30.13 | JeffM2501 | sadly dead tree format for me, for at least a couple more years |
| 23:30.15 | SilentSwan | nothing beats dead tree format |
| 23:30.27 | SilentSwan | easier on the eyes anyway |
| 23:30.30 | spldart | I was going to ask a linux guru... Is there an easy way to find a newly partitioned fat32 and add it to my fstab? |
| 23:30.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:30.36 | JeffM2501 | the electronic paper will be intersting |
| 23:30.52 | spldart | I'm paperless for the most part :/ |
| 23:30.56 | spldart | I like tree's |
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| 23:31.01 | JeffM2501 | should just be able to mount it |
| 23:31.04 | spldart | They make good matches and houses |
| 23:31.09 | Inferno281 | internet went down... |
| 23:31.14 | JeffM2501 | all of it? |
| 23:31.16 | JeffM2501 | DAMN |
| 23:31.19 | JeffM2501 | that has to suck |
| 23:31.21 | Aribeth | lol |
| 23:31.30 | JeffM2501 | what will ebay and google ever do now? |
| 23:31.35 | spldart | I have a primary slave, repartitiona and format in windows Ntfs and fat32.... |
| 23:31.48 | spldart | booted in debian now.... but don't know how to find the new fat32 partition |
| 23:31.56 | JeffM2501 | most distros will mount them read only now |
| 23:32.09 | JeffM2501 | you should be able to see the partitons |
| 23:32.12 | JeffM2501 | using the partition tool |
| 23:32.15 | JeffM2501 | just don't change anything |
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| 23:32.39 | spldart | when I booted into debian... it auto saw the porta drive but fstab didn't auto update and I can't seem to find a fat drive to mount |
| 23:32.56 | spldart | I can see them with the partition too in terminal yes |
| 23:33.05 | JeffM2501 | then just add it to your fstab |
| 23:33.09 | spldart | hdb2p2 |
| 23:33.13 | Aribeth | you look in /proc? |
| 23:33.22 | JeffM2501 | other then Cdroms Ive never seen fstab auto update |
| 23:34.16 | spldart | what would I look for in /proc? |
| 23:34.47 | JeffM2501 | enlightenment :) |
| 23:34.52 | spldart | LOL |
| 23:35.08 | spldart | I'm looking for the second partiton of slave on ide0 |
| 23:35.17 | spldart | it's 17 gig and fat32 |
| 23:35.19 | JeffM2501 | I'm fairly positive that the secrets of the universe are in baby babble, and partion tables. |
| 23:35.57 | spldart | I hear if you read history of the universe and everything backwards you will get your answers too |
| 23:36.25 | Aribeth | jeffM2501, soo true |
| 23:36.28 | JeffM2501 | just a message from john lennon |
| 23:39.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/worldRender.cpp: more textures |
| 23:49.33 | Inferno281 | I left? |
| 23:50.18 | spldart | damn |
| 23:50.35 | Inferno281 | spldart, damn?? |
| 23:51.10 | spldart | to be cursed.... Such as Jesus did to the fig tree |
| 23:51.18 | spldart | ;) |
| 23:51.46 | Inferno281 | hm, so are you cursing something or someone? |
| 23:51.48 | JeffM2501 | cus figs are bastards! |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM2501 | those newtons are nasty |
| 23:51.57 | spldart | cyah peeps... :-D |
| 23:52.41 | Aribeth | ya, just evil nasty |
| 23:52.58 | JeffM2501 | they give me the wind something awefull |
| 23:53.31 | Aribeth | sulfer perhaps |
| 23:55.37 | purple_cow | did you know that figs have the highest sugar content of any fruit? |
| 23:55.57 | Aribeth | yep |
| 23:56.10 | Aribeth | but newtons are evil |
| 23:56.17 | purple_cow | agreed |
| 23:56.33 | Aribeth | i found a good fig preservs |
| 23:57.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (inc/OSX/osxapp.h src/OSX/osxapp.cpp): more OSX event code |
| 23:57.49 | JeffM2501 | it's all about pie |
| 23:57.50 | trepan | <@JeffM2501> "trepan is also doing some graphical changes ..." that's for 2.0.6, not 2.1 |
| 23:57.56 | JeffM2501 | cus everyone loves pie |
| 23:58.04 | JeffM2501 | trepan, oh, ok |
| 23:58.09 | JeffM2501 | whatever :) |
| 23:58.18 | Aribeth | pie is good |
| 23:58.22 | JeffM2501 | it's a posibility you'll do something for 2.1 |
| 23:59.13 | trepan | ya, just saying that my changes have nothing to do with the breakage |
| 23:59.44 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:59.54 | JeffM2501 | I was just pulling stuff outa my ass |
