| 00:00.37 | trepan | brlcad: i'm approaching the lods slightly differently, end result being that the lods can be individually edited |
| 00:01.19 | RPG_ | is there any chance that someday maybe BZ could support a binary filetype for maps? |
| 00:01.21 | trepan | the OBJ object names will reflect the different lod lengths, and merge them into a drawInfo (ex: car_lodlen0.002, car_lodlen0.001) |
| 00:01.30 | brlcad | trepan, likewise -- but for exporting to a bzw with no lod, it can autogenerate them |
| 00:02.25 | brlcad | when they come back in, there will be objects/assemblies for each lod |
| 00:04.13 | trepan | might be reasonable to get alignment on object and material property tags then ;) |
| 00:04.31 | trepan | (easiest way to allow folks to use any editor they want) |
| 00:05.02 | brlcad | of course, I don't really care about other editors :) |
| 00:05.04 | RPG_ | How will LOD's improve the performance of BZFlag? |
| 00:05.22 | brlcad | but I'm somewhat biased |
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| 00:07.10 | trepan | easy enough to do, tags for double-sided mats, nolighting, etc... in the material name |
| 00:07.42 | trepan | and likewise for mesh/object props |
| 00:09.59 | brlcad | pretty sure I don't follow exactly what you mean just yet since it's out of my current context |
| 00:10.27 | brlcad | and there's going to be a fair bit of name-mangling regardless, so editing them is already in order |
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| 00:11.24 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, LOD means things further way have less geometry, meaning less for the card to render, aka running faster |
| 00:11.36 | RPG_ | sounds good :D |
| 00:11.40 | JeffM2501 | so for complex maps ( read mesh maps ) it can be a large speed increase |
| 00:12.07 | RPG_ | will it look any different? |
| 00:12.19 | trepan | RPG_: DrawInfo Test Server2 has 128 million tris+ in it |
| 00:12.21 | JeffM2501 | trepan, quake3 did it's LODs with a file per LOD all packed in the same zip |
| 00:12.29 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, not if it's done right |
| 00:12.44 | JeffM2501 | badly done LODs can "pop", but if you do it right, it's not really visable |
| 00:12.49 | RPG_ | trepan: so that's how you got it to display that many triangles? |
| 00:12.55 | trepan | go there, turn on wireframe mode, and move around |
| 00:13.02 | RPG_ | alrght |
| 00:13.16 | JeffM2501 | trepan, do you have a way to count the number of tris in view? |
| 00:13.35 | trepan | think i started to add that in SceneNode |
| 00:13.46 | JeffM2501 | be interesting to see how many tris/sec are actualy rendered |
| 00:15.03 | JeffM2501 | wonder how many my card should be able to do |
| 00:15.09 | trepan | i've got a 100Ktri map i've been using for that purpose :) about 11Mtri/sec here |
| 00:15.16 | RPG_ | ahhh |
| 00:16.12 | JeffM2501 | I'm suposed to be at like 375m verts/sec |
| 00:16.47 | trepan | JeffM2501: ya, at least the drawInfo's have their tri counts per lod/mat, looks like i'd added the getTriangles() method, then removed it |
| 00:16.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:17.03 | trepan | TriCount(), or whatever it was... |
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| 00:39.00 | I_Died_Once | Hey SportChick |
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| 00:40.45 | SilentSwan | anyone here have any suggestions for a linux that runs well (and is usable) on sparc64? |
| 00:41.19 | I_Died_Once | Suse |
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| 00:41.34 | SilentSwan | reallY? didn't know there was a sparc version of that |
| 00:41.46 | I_Died_Once | yeah, hold on |
| 00:42.30 | RPG_ | " When asked, generally every Linux user will say that the best distribution is the specific version he is using." - http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_01_04.html |
| 00:42.31 | SportChick | hi died |
| 00:42.41 | SilentSwan | fortunately, i happen to like suse |
| 00:42.45 | SilentSwan | in fact, prefer it :) |
| 00:42.54 | RPG_ | "A quick search on Google, using the keywords "choosing your distribution" brings up tens of links to good advise" - http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_01_04.html |
| 00:43.04 | SilentSwan | but i refuse to use solaris 10 because of the licensing/patching scheme they're using now |
| 00:43.21 | I_Died_Once | ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse |
| 00:43.26 | I_Died_Once | click on the sparc folder |
| 00:43.27 | SportChick | ~weather klax |
| 00:43.32 | SilentSwan | thanks I_Died_Once |
| 00:43.41 | RPG_ | ooh weather! |
| 00:43.46 | RPG_ | !weather 60137 |
| 00:43.50 | Guu | RPG_: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 42°F. |
| 00:43.59 | RPG_ | I didn't ask you, Guu |
| 00:44.00 | Guu | No idea, RPG_. |
| 00:44.06 | RPG_ | ~weather 61037 |
| 00:44.08 | I_Died_Once | !weather 31408 |
| 00:44.11 | Guu | I_Died_Once: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 70°F. |
| 00:44.15 | SilentSwan | !weather 60515 |
| 00:44.18 | Guu | SilentSwan: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 39°F. |
| 00:44.19 | I_Died_Once | ~weather 31408 |
| 00:44.23 | SilentSwan | this always says some bogus number |
| 00:44.35 | JeffM2501 | ibot dosn't do zip codes |
| 00:44.37 | JeffM2501 | guu does |
| 00:44.37 | Guu | and does it with STYLE! |
| 00:44.42 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 00:44.53 | RPG_ | lol |
| 00:44.56 | RPG_ | that was a funny one |
| 00:45.03 | JeffM2501 | ibot uses airport codes |
| 00:45.05 | RPG_ | Guu, I love you |
| 00:45.06 | Guu | RPG_: are you 10? |
| 00:45.14 | JeffM2501 | guu likes em young |
| 00:45.15 | RPG_ | hahahah! |
| 00:45.15 | Guu | JeffM2501: But I am le-tired. |
| 00:45.22 | RPG_ | ~weather ord |
| 00:45.29 | RPG_ | ~weather kord |
| 00:45.44 | I_Died_Once | it would be funny if it said "in dog years" after it said 10 |
| 00:46.00 | RPG_ | that seems more right |
| 00:46.00 | SilentSwan | I_Died_Once nothing there |
| 00:46.23 | SilentSwan | yeah, it's definitely not 39F here |
| 00:46.56 | RPG_ | 53.2F says the thermometer outside |
| 00:47.16 | RPG_ | 63.9 says the thermomoter inside :'( |
| 00:47.21 | SilentSwan | ah well, guess i'm stuck with solaris 9 |
| 00:47.42 | RPG_ | You mean you're not gonna go searching for the suse downlaod site? |
| 00:47.49 | SilentSwan | i JUST DID |
| 00:47.51 | I_Died_Once | hmmm |
| 00:48.04 | SilentSwan | go to the link I_Died_Once posted - there is nothing there |
| 00:48.20 | I_Died_Once | Swan: what OS are ya on now? |
| 00:48.29 | SilentSwan | nevermind |
| 00:48.36 | SilentSwan | i need coffee... brb |
| 00:48.51 | RPG_ | Uh... there's stuff here |
| 00:48.59 | JeffM2501 | wow I think this is the slowest bzw parser on the planet |
| 00:50.24 | I_Died_Once | or just type ftp.suse.com in your browser |
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| 00:53.02 | SilentSwan | RPG_ ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/sparc/ <- tell me what you see in there? |
| 00:53.22 | SilentSwan | 1 empty dir and another with a README.txt that has nothing to do with finding a sparc version of suse |
| 00:53.43 | SilentSwan | doesn't matter anyway. |
| 00:53.46 | SilentSwan | just a passing thought |
| 00:54.29 | I_Died_Once | hold on, there might be an iso on one of their mirrors |
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| 00:54.32 | orchid | SilentSwan: http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc64/ |
| 00:54.53 | RPG_ | odd, it's never crashed liek taht before |
| 00:54.55 | SilentSwan | don't worry about it I_Died_Once - thanks anyway |
| 00:56.38 | I_Died_Once | Damn Swan, they dont have it on any of their mirrors either |
| 00:56.52 | SilentSwan | pity... ah well... thanks |
| 00:57.31 | SilentSwan | debian consists of 13 cds.. hahaha... |
| 00:57.33 | SilentSwan | my god |
| 00:57.38 | I_Died_Once | good god |
| 00:57.48 | blast007 | http://www.ultralinux.org/ |
| 00:57.55 | SilentSwan | note "CD" - singular |
| 00:58.28 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:58.39 | I_Died_Once | so how many people are offended over the existance of "damn small linux" |
| 00:58.42 | JeffM2501 | you only need 1 disk to do a netinstall of debian, and those 13 disks ahve all the packages |
| 00:58.51 | JeffM2501 | so it's a lot more software |
| 00:58.53 | SilentSwan | true, JeffM2501 |
| 00:59.06 | SilentSwan | i just found it amusing |
| 00:59.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:59.28 | JeffM2501 | fedora is sadly 5 disks |
| 00:59.31 | JeffM2501 | and you HAVE to get them |
| 00:59.38 | JeffM2501 | ubantu is 1 |
| 00:59.39 | JeffM2501 | it's nice |
| 00:59.40 | I_Died_Once | anyone see where the senator won a part of that big powerball? |
| 00:59.46 | I_Died_Once | I didnt like Ubuntu |
| 00:59.55 | JeffM2501 | I found it not bad |
| 00:59.56 | SilentSwan | i've heard rumour that ubuntu is about as friendly as gentoo |
| 00:59.59 | I_Died_Once | no big reason |
| 01:00.09 | SilentSwan | in other words, it's great if you have 3 weeks to install it |
| 01:00.09 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu is a lot like debian |
| 01:00.22 | JeffM2501 | naw, you can install ubantu a lot faster then debian even |
| 01:00.24 | I_Died_Once | eeek, all those problem distro's |
| 01:00.27 | JeffM2501 | it's a striped down installer |
| 01:00.49 | I_Died_Once | I also dont like gnome |
| 01:00.56 | JeffM2501 | there is kubantu :) |
| 01:01.11 | I_Died_Once | KDE woot |
| 01:01.18 | JeffM2501 | kubantu is ubantu with kde as a default |
| 01:01.27 | I_Died_Once | I never heard of that one |
| 01:01.30 | blast007 | I use fluxbox :P |
| 01:01.31 | I_Died_Once | I need to check it out |
| 01:01.31 | JeffM2501 | the only system that it didn't like was the new one |
| 01:01.35 | JeffM2501 | but then nothing liked the new one |
| 01:01.36 | I_Died_Once | I gotta go AFK for now |
| 01:01.40 | I_Died_Once | see you fools later |
| 01:01.47 | SilentSwan | cheers |
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| 01:14.29 | SilentSwan | i'll have a go at debian... need something to do to keep myself awake |
| 01:20.22 | SilentSwan | *sigh* then again, maybe not... kernel panic before it even finishes booting |
| 01:21.17 | blast007 | heh, that's always a good sign |
| 01:21.24 | SilentSwan | you know it's linux when... |
| 01:21.55 | blast007 | ...it doesn't have a BSOD? :) |
| 01:22.11 | SilentSwan | no, just a string of messages about I/O errors and a kernel panic |
| 01:22.13 | bryjen | http://www.splack.org/ is an unofficial Slackware port to Sparc. dunno how complete or up-to-date |
| 01:22.20 | SilentSwan | no thanks |
| 01:22.30 | SilentSwan | back to BSD |
| 01:23.22 | bryjen | hrm |
| 01:23.36 | bryjen | compiling bzflag: ControlPanel.cxx:441: error: `assert' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 01:32.46 | bryjen | looks like Tupone yanked a bunch of includes. so should assert.h go back in ControlPanel.cxx or somewhere else? |
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| 02:05.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 5 dirs): fix misc. stuff |
| 02:05.52 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 02:06.05 | JeffM2501 | new nvidia drivers let you turn on SLI, with out restart :) |
| 02:06.28 | Erroneous | whoa. cool. |
| 02:06.45 | JeffM2501 | sadly no linux version yet :( |
| 02:06.47 | Aribeth | O.o |
| 02:06.53 | Aribeth | :( |
| 02:07.16 | JeffM2501 | windows was released today that means they can't be too far behind |
| 02:07.21 | JeffM2501 | then SLI in linux too :) |
| 02:20.47 | SilentSwan | or the equiv. AT |
| 02:20.49 | SilentSwan | ATI |
| 02:20.54 | SilentSwan | not sure which yet |
| 02:22.20 | SilentSwan | i've had generally good results with ATI so far |
| 02:24.13 | SilentSwan | i heard something about a hack for the ATI 850 (?) card that supposedly increased performance by some 30% |
| 02:24.22 | SilentSwan | they'll be releasing said hack in the next driver |
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| 02:26.26 | Inferno285 | saying hi from a Tadpole running solaris |
| 02:27.04 | SilentSwan | a tadpole? |
| 02:28.48 | Inferno285 | http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/ |
| 02:28.58 | Inferno285 | it runs of a server |
| 02:29.14 | SilentSwan | ohhhh yeah |
| 02:29.16 | SilentSwan | i've seen those |
| 02:29.30 | Inferno285 | they are for naughty students |
| 02:29.35 | SilentSwan | i see |
| 02:29.37 | SilentSwan | are they worth it? |
| 02:29.58 | Inferno285 | neh, I'm too good at hacking al their blocks |
| 02:30.13 | SilentSwan | uhh.. i mean the computer |
| 02:30.25 | Inferno285 | It's free, from school |
| 02:30.33 | SilentSwan | oh nice |
| 02:31.55 | Inferno285 | I can't play bzflag off it though :( |
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| 02:35.16 | SilentSwan | no 3d? |
| 02:42.52 | SilentSwan | can't seem to find any answers anywhere as to why suse for sparc cannot be found |
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| 02:45.59 | Inferno285 | wow, there's alot more people on here than before |
| 02:46.05 | Inferno285 | likek afew months ago |
| 02:47.03 | Inferno285 | does anyone know, can you send files over this this thing (IRC)? |
| 02:47.12 | bryjen | SilentSwan: because Novell doesn't care? |
| 02:47.13 | SilentSwan | it is possible via DCC |
| 02:47.21 | SilentSwan | bryjen most likely |
| 02:47.31 | Inferno285 | hm, DCC? |
| 02:47.34 | SilentSwan | there is supposedly a version of it, but it's mysteriously disappeared |
| 02:48.12 | bryjen | http://www.opensuse.org/Released_Version x86(-64) and ppc |
| 02:48.14 | Inferno285 | hey, cool |
| 02:48.30 | Inferno285 | did you get my file transfer request SS? |
| 02:48.36 | SilentSwan | no |
| 02:48.51 | Inferno285 | oh, that's a pity |
| 02:48.58 | Inferno285 | I'm sending an awesome file |
| 02:49.45 | Inferno285 | does anyone have...DCC.... here? |
| 02:49.55 | SilentSwan | i suspect you're not using it correctly |
| 02:49.59 | SilentSwan | what client are you running? |
| 02:50.26 | Inferno285 | Instant Messenger on Solaris |
| 02:50.37 | SilentSwan | oh... i don't know anything about how that works |
| 02:50.56 | Inferno285 | I just right clicked on your name...selected send file |
| 02:51.20 | SilentSwan | maybe your firewall isn't allowing it |
| 02:51.35 | Inferno285 | this is a tadpole don't forget |
| 02:51.35 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 02:51.36 | JeffM2501 | it can often not work for people behind nats |
| 02:51.37 | Inferno285 | k |
| 02:52.16 | Inferno285 | JeffM2501, for recipients, or recipients and senders alike? |
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| 02:52.42 | JeffM2501 | ether |
| 02:52.57 | Inferno285 | I'll try you |
| 02:53.09 | Inferno285 | did you get it? |
| 02:53.17 | JeffM2501 | dude why are you sending aroun a playlist? |
| 02:53.29 | Inferno285 | playlist? |
| 02:53.35 | JeffM2501 | pls? |
| 02:53.54 | Inferno285 | um, that is a streaming station thing with real player |
| 02:53.58 | JeffM2501 | and no, you did not send a proper DCC send |
| 02:54.02 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 02:54.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah that is a playlist for real player with the URL info |
| 02:54.21 | Inferno285 | It's not my client:S |
| 02:54.52 | JeffM2501 | oh your on gaim IRC |
| 02:54.58 | Inferno285 | I can't install anything.... |
| 02:55.00 | JeffM2501 | that is not a good client |
| 02:55.04 | Inferno285 | I need one of you to send it to me |
| 02:55.05 | SilentSwan | JeffM2501 why? |
| 02:55.16 | Inferno285 | send me a good one |
| 02:55.40 | JeffM2501 | if you can't install it, what good is sending it to you |
| 02:55.52 | JeffM2501 | and noone uses real player |
| 02:55.53 | SilentSwan | if you say "xchat", i'm mgoing to smack you. if you say "mirc", i'm going to smack you with a rubber chicken :) |
| 02:56.00 | Inferno285 | I can't download anything from the only browser I have |
| 02:56.08 | JeffM2501 | depends on what you want to do SilentSwan |
| 02:56.19 | JeffM2501 | for the mac, the best I've seen is xchat |
| 02:56.20 | SilentSwan | umm... chat |
| 02:56.25 | SilentSwan | oh good lord |
| 02:56.25 | JeffM2501 | on windows I perfer trillian |
| 02:56.31 | Inferno285 | JeffM2501, what streaming station do you suggest? |
| 02:56.36 | SilentSwan | actually, Snak is a good mac client with a GUI |
| 02:56.36 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, none |
| 02:56.44 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, listen to what you want to |
| 02:56.51 | Inferno285 | thanks :) |
| 02:56.55 | JeffM2501 | but don't peddle your propritary streams on us :) |
| 02:57.00 | JeffM2501 | I've never tried that |
| 02:57.20 | SilentSwan | it's not free, but the dev is pretty cool, so i actually PAID MONEY for it |
| 02:57.20 | Inferno285 | It was just the first file I found |
| 02:57.34 | JeffM2501 | when I went looking, xchat was the only one that did all the autologin/autoidentify/ channel ops stuff I needed |
| 02:57.44 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, I did that for trillian |
| 02:57.55 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, and you felt the need to send it to us? |
| 02:58.06 | SilentSwan | i wish he'd release the source, though |
| 02:58.24 | JeffM2501 | tho this is xchat aqua |
| 02:58.31 | JeffM2501 | I think it's a port thingy |
| 02:58.36 | SilentSwan | that one isn't even the same as xchat |
| 02:58.38 | SilentSwan | it's sort of a fork |
| 02:58.44 | JeffM2501 | has the same features |
| 02:58.46 | SilentSwan | looks and runs mostly the same, though |
| 02:58.49 | JeffM2501 | redone gui |
| 02:58.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:58.53 | JeffM2501 | works for me |
| 02:58.57 | JeffM2501 | I don't need anything complex |
| 02:59.10 | SilentSwan | i like epic because the scripting language |
| 02:59.19 | JeffM2501 | hell if I wanted a perfect one I'd make one with libIRC :) |
| 02:59.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm not a big scripter |
| 03:00.03 | Inferno285 | SS, send me EPIC THEN, I CAN'T DOWNLOAD IT |
| 03:00.20 | Inferno285 | grr, this tadpole has ctrl and caps lock switched |
| 03:00.22 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, how can you install it? |
| 03:00.26 | SilentSwan | why can't you download it? |
| 03:00.36 | JeffM2501 | perhaps he's nott suposed to install anything |
| 03:00.39 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 03:00.41 | JeffM2501 | mummy and daddy say no |
| 03:00.53 | Inferno285 | lol, no! |
| 03:01.04 | JeffM2501 | the lol gives you away :) |
| 03:01.06 | Inferno285 | it's a tadpole, connected to a server out there |
| 03:01.13 | JeffM2501 | tadpole? |
| 03:01.16 | bryjen | thin client, BOFH say F no |
| 03:01.31 | JeffM2501 | then what good is "Sending" you one do? |
| 03:01.40 | JeffM2501 | you don't have a browser? |
| 03:01.46 | Inferno285 | I do |
| 03:01.54 | Inferno285 | Firefox... |
| 03:01.59 | JeffM2501 | then would it not save data to the same place that a dcc would? |
| 03:02.12 | Inferno285 | My filter program blocks downloads |
| 03:02.26 | JeffM2501 | turn off the filter |
| 03:02.27 | Inferno285 | because..it's kinda stupid |
| 03:02.36 | Inferno285 | I forgot the password |
| 03:02.43 | JeffM2501 | hoooookay |
| 03:02.46 | SilentSwan | perhaps it's "sex" |
| 03:02.52 | Inferno285 | lol |
| 03:02.53 | JeffM2501 | it's barny |
| 03:02.54 | JeffM2501 | or god |
| 03:03.00 | bryjen | sex is not the answer! |
| 03:03.00 | SilentSwan | brb - need more caffeine |
| 03:03.12 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, so you want us to send you stuff, because you are basicly dumb? |
| 03:03.18 | SilentSwan | afk |
| 03:03.22 | Inferno285 | no |
| 03:03.28 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, sex is the question |
| 03:03.43 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, that's what it sounds like |
| 03:03.46 | JeffM2501 | just fix your filter |
| 03:03.50 | JeffM2501 | reset the password |
| 03:04.19 | JeffM2501 | and what's wrong with geting on the net with a real comptuer, like normal people? |
| 03:04.51 | I_Died_Once | he's probably one of those people that doesn't believe in wearing a seat belt, too |
| 03:05.12 | JeffM2501 | naw, I think he like the thin client cus it's "cool" |
| 03:05.30 | I_Died_Once | I got a thin client and dont really know what to do with it |
| 03:05.42 | I_Died_Once | i think its a thin client |
| 03:05.53 | JeffM2501 | get on IRC and ask people to send you "stuff" |
| 03:06.35 | I_Died_Once | I got this... device... about the size of a DSL modem... has 4 usb outlets, a monitor outlet, power, and a place for a peyboard & mouse |
| 03:06.47 | *** join/#bzflag mbfg (n=dave@38.118.53.12) |
| 03:06.48 | I_Died_Once | hold on |
| 03:06.56 | JeffM2501 | it's ether a thiny or a web client |
| 03:07.10 | JeffM2501 | one of those apliance things |
| 03:07.14 | I_Died_Once | and an ethernet |
| 03:07.15 | JeffM2501 | does it have a name on it? |
| 03:07.18 | I_Died_Once | WYSE |
| 03:07.26 | I_Died_Once | WinTerm |
| 03:07.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a thin term |
| 03:07.52 | JeffM2501 | www.wyse.com |
| 03:08.04 | I_Died_Once | its got a windows CE NET 4.1 Runtime key |
| 03:08.10 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:08.25 | I_Died_Once | tell me - what can i do with this? |
| 03:08.26 | JeffM2501 | that is a data entry box if I've ever heard of one :) |
| 03:08.37 | I_Died_Once | ASIDE from shove it up my ass? |
| 03:08.39 | JeffM2501 | basicly get it to log into a terminal server |
| 03:08.45 | JeffM2501 | and run apps on the server |
| 03:08.46 | SilentSwan | mmm... coffee |
| 03:08.48 | JeffM2501 | and see the output |
| 03:09.01 | JeffM2501 | basicly companys use them for low end data entry type jobs |
| 03:09.02 | I_Died_Once | I couldnt use this to play BZ Flag? |
| 03:09.12 | JeffM2501 | techincaly maybe |
| 03:09.13 | I_Died_Once | oh like a cash register? |
| 03:09.14 | SilentSwan | mmm.. dumb terminals |
| 03:09.19 | JeffM2501 | it'd run like crap |
| 03:09.31 | bryjen | i doubt very much it'd have 3d accel |
| 03:09.32 | JeffM2501 | more like the knowledge base things at call centers |
| 03:09.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:09.40 | JeffM2501 | it woudd do it in software |
| 03:09.44 | JeffM2501 | and send it over the net |
| 03:09.49 | JeffM2501 | the game would be run on the server |
| 03:09.49 | I_Died_Once | so does this have a hard drive? |
| 03:09.55 | JeffM2501 | probalby not |
| 03:09.58 | JeffM2501 | it's not a real comptuer |
| 03:09.59 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 03:10.04 | JeffM2501 | it useless with out a terminal server |
| 03:10.05 | bryjen | more likely flash |
| 03:10.05 | I_Died_Once | about how much could I get for this? |
| 03:10.18 | JeffM2501 | depends on what model |
| 03:10.20 | SilentSwan | i only recently threw away an old dec green-screen i'd had for years |
| 03:10.21 | JeffM2501 | check ebay |
| 03:10.25 | JeffM2501 | how'd you get it? |
| 03:10.28 | JeffM2501 | fall off a truck |
| 03:10.32 | I_Died_Once | couldnt tell ya |
| 03:10.40 | I_Died_Once | something like that I'm sure |
| 03:10.44 | JeffM2501 | fell off a truck then |
| 03:10.50 | JeffM2501 | or somone lost there gruntle |
| 03:10.59 | Inferno285 | I'm back :p |
| 03:11.00 | SilentSwan | leave my gruntle alone |
| 03:11.08 | I_Died_Once | alot of people i know just - give various computer related crap to me periodically |
| 03:11.11 | SilentSwan | I_Died_Once is the serial # scratched off? :) |
| 03:11.22 | Inferno285 | send me some crap right now!!! |
| 03:11.33 | Inferno285 | hm, I don't mean anything like sex |
| 03:12.18 | I_Died_Once | with my luck, its Bin laden's old thin client, on the FBI ten most wanted missing computer parts |
| 03:12.52 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, but it looks so nice |
| 03:13.09 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, that's now what we are here for |
| 03:13.18 | Inferno285 | now? |
| 03:13.23 | I_Died_Once | what possible use could a 'hole like me make of it? Can I run linux or any apps on it? |
| 03:13.24 | JeffM2501 | not |
| 03:13.27 | Inferno285 | haha |
| 03:13.32 | JeffM2501 | we don't care about your thin client |
| 03:13.46 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, no really |
| 03:13.48 | Inferno285 | ok, so how did you get my name? |
| 03:13.50 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have much CPU |
| 03:13.52 | SilentSwan | lot of crap you have in here... |
| 03:14.04 | Inferno285 | no really!?!?! |
| 03:14.20 | JeffM2501 | she's a l33t h4axorz |
| 03:14.22 | SilentSwan | should i look at your browser cache? |
| 03:14.27 | JeffM2501 | and tunnled via your TCPs |
| 03:14.27 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 03:14.31 | JeffM2501 | and bust your firewals |
| 03:14.32 | Inferno285 | yeah, I don't care if you do |
| 03:14.32 | SilentSwan | if i did, what would i find? |
| 03:14.44 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, or you are just kinda dumb |
| 03:14.51 | Inferno285 | hm, a swan with an arrow going threw her head |
| 03:14.53 | JeffM2501 | goat pr0n |
| 03:15.05 | SilentSwan | hahaha |
| 03:15.08 | SilentSwan | *honk* |
| 03:15.11 | I_Died_Once | =)o(= |
| 03:15.19 | SilentSwan | i'm sorry, i'm having just a little too much fun |
| 03:15.27 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, basicly that device is part of a larger system |
| 03:15.42 | JeffM2501 | companys use them so that they can put many cheap terms out there |
| 03:15.55 | JeffM2501 | centraly managed |
| 03:16.01 | JeffM2501 | and cheap to repleace if lost or stolen |
| 03:16.05 | Inferno285 | Silent, really how did you get my name, or is it in here somewhere? |
| 03:16.13 | I_Died_Once | anyone want it? |
| 03:16.33 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, if you are going to be on the internet, you should know what you are doing |
| 03:16.33 | Inferno285 | oh, username = beaulieu duh |
| 03:16.36 | JeffM2501 | think and use your brain |
| 03:16.39 | SilentSwan | *grin* |
| 03:17.07 | SilentSwan | # ls /export/home/beaulieu |
| 03:17.07 | SilentSwan | nasty_nurses.avi |
| 03:17.07 | SilentSwan | # |
| 03:17.11 | SilentSwan | *gasp* |
| 03:17.21 | SilentSwan | # exit |
| 03:17.22 | JeffM2501 | hello nurse |
| 03:17.35 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 03:17.35 | Inferno285 | lol |
| 03:18.09 | Inferno285 | haha, export/home/beaulieu doesn't exist! |
| 03:18.29 | SilentSwan | it's solaris, isn't it? |
| 03:18.34 | Inferno285 | yeah |
| 03:18.37 | JeffM2501 | oh my |
| 03:18.45 | SilentSwan | then it most likely exists |
| 03:18.49 | SilentSwan | unless your home is NFS mounted |
| 03:18.51 | Inferno285 | beaulieu isn't my username :p |
| 03:18.56 | SilentSwan | oh bugger |
| 03:18.58 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 03:19.01 | JeffM2501 | it is on IRC :) |
| 03:19.13 | Inferno285 | honest it isn't |
| 03:19.28 | SilentSwan | i just needed a good chuckle |
| 03:19.52 | SilentSwan | actually, my chest hurts from laughing so much now... *sigh* better quit smoking |
| 03:20.30 | Inferno285 | JeffM2501, it's your turn to hack my machine! |
| 03:20.33 | bryjen | FlamingSwan?!? Quick, put her out! ;) |
| 03:20.41 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 03:20.46 | Inferno285 | lol |
| 03:20.59 | JeffM2501 | really Inferno285 ? |
| 03:21.01 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:21.02 | JeffM2501 | here goes |
| 03:21.08 | *** kick/#bzflag [Inferno285!n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 03:21.13 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 03:21.15 | JeffM2501 | that was easy |
| 03:22.08 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno285 (n=beaulieu@206.8.175.121) |
| 03:26.52 | SilentSwan | *sigh* it's gotten chilly here :( |
| 03:27.19 | Inferno285 | ok, I'm all silly and that's what I am |
| 03:27.22 | Inferno285 | so cya all later |
| 03:27.31 | SilentSwan | um, bye |
| 03:28.15 | JeffM2501 | see ya around kiddo |
| 03:28.37 | Inferno285 | ok |
| 03:29.05 | *** part/#bzflag Inferno285 (n=beaulieu@206.8.175.121) |
| 03:29.35 | I_Died_Once | I challenge anyone to a HTF match to three points\ |
| 03:29.38 | I_Died_Once | any takers? |
| 03:29.49 | JeffM2501 | is there something in the water? |
| 03:29.52 | I_Died_Once | nope |
| 03:29.54 | I_Died_Once | bored |
| 03:30.04 | JeffM2501 | not you |
| 03:30.11 | JeffM2501 | not all things are about you skip :) |
| 03:30.12 | I_Died_Once | I got my HTF game running, no one is on my server but me |
| 03:32.41 | I_Died_Once | yes they are |
| 03:32.46 | I_Died_Once | its all about me |
| 03:32.48 | I_Died_Once | me me me |
| 03:32.53 | I_Died_Once | dammit |
| 03:33.01 | I_Died_Once | now somoene come and PLAY WITH ME!!! |
| 03:33.23 | SilentSwan | sometimes it's better alone |
| 03:33.38 | I_Died_Once | aint it though |
| 03:33.57 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (n=david@debian/developer/dbharris) |
| 03:34.08 | I_Died_Once | I guess no one in the room thinks they can take me in a HTF match |
| 03:34.47 | learner | SilentSwan: heh |
| 03:35.04 | SilentSwan | sorry, i have a twisted sense of humour |
| 03:35.28 | learner | twisted can be fun |
| 03:37.03 | JeffM2501 | specialy with lime |
| 03:37.55 | SilentSwan | >>> Updating Portage cache: 51% |
| 03:37.58 | SilentSwan | *yawn* |
| 03:39.13 | purple_cow | SilentSwan: has it been taking super-long around 50% for you? |
| 03:39.17 | JeffM2501 | learner, so If I upgrade a pb file, how do I save it out as xcode? |
| 03:39.19 | purple_cow | i'm seeing that on multiple machines... |
| 03:39.22 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 03:39.29 | purple_cow | bad portage! |
| 03:39.35 | SilentSwan | it's been sitting on 51% for about 8 min. now |
| 03:39.59 | learner | JeffM2501, there's an option in xcode to "update this project" somewhere on the menu |
| 03:40.11 | JeffM2501 | does that save it out as a .xcode? |
| 03:40.31 | learner | i believe if you save the project it can |
| 03:40.38 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 03:40.52 | JeffM2501 | want to make a copy to not blow out his pb file |
| 03:40.57 | JeffM2501 | since he's still on .2 |
| 03:43.53 | *** join/#bzflag Thumper_ (n=bernt@CPE000102d0fe75-CM0012256ecbde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 03:44.21 | SilentSwan | woohoo! it just went to 52% |
| 03:44.32 | SilentSwan | this went pretty fast last time i installed gentoo |
| 03:44.51 | learner | probably either something like File -> Import Project or Project > Upgrade All Targets in Project to Native to convert it |
| 03:45.55 | *** join/#bzflag BearPerson (i=karsten@sourcemage/pdpc.sustaining.BearPerson) |
| 03:46.02 | SilentSwan | is anyone near the area of this hurricane? apparently, it's gotten quite bad... |
| 03:46.51 | I_Died_Once | I'm in Savannah, a little ways north of where it'll hit |
| 03:47.02 | I_Died_Once | It'll make it rain like hell here this monday or so |
| 03:47.02 | SilentSwan | they don't really know where it'll hit thought |
| 03:47.04 | SilentSwan | -t |
| 03:47.19 | I_Died_Once | it'll weaken and strengthen several times over before it hits |
| 03:47.21 | SilentSwan | it's apparently over yucatan peninsula at the moment |
| 03:47.36 | I_Died_Once | plus. fall is settling in here - if it does hit here, it'll weaken at the last minutes |
| 03:47.37 | SilentSwan | and south florida is probably feeling some of it |
| 03:47.45 | I_Died_Once | (or so we all hope, anywho, right?) |
| 03:47.45 | SilentSwan | hope so |
| 03:48.27 | I_Died_Once | We've been lucky here - he havent had a direct hit in almost a century and a half |
| 03:48.35 | I_Died_Once | or so says the books |
| 03:49.02 | I_Died_Once | we did get the remnants of one of the ones the went over florida last year |
| 03:49.37 | I_Died_Once | that knocked my power out for two days |
| 03:49.42 | SilentSwan | eek |
| 03:49.42 | I_Died_Once | THAT sucked |
| 03:50.39 | SilentSwan | one of the advantages to living in northern illinois... it's pretty safe from violent weather, overall |
| 03:50.56 | SilentSwan | tornadoes can be common, but they are never really seen where i am |
| 03:51.30 | I_Died_Once | ever been to the beach? |
| 03:51.40 | SilentSwan | by lake michigan? yes |
| 03:51.49 | I_Died_Once | I'm not sure if that counts... |
| 03:51.59 | SilentSwan | and also in florida and california, too |
| 03:52.04 | I_Died_Once | oh, ok |
| 03:52.10 | SilentSwan | "real" beaches haha |
| 03:52.47 | I_Died_Once | peace is riding out at 2am to a swing on the beach & buring one while looking at the stars, feeling the cool wind |
| 03:53.03 | SilentSwan | ah :) sounds lovely |
| 03:53.18 | I_Died_Once | & the bar down the street is still ope, band still playing |
| 03:53.32 | I_Died_Once | I love it out here |
| 03:53.36 | I_Died_Once | its pretty much worth it |
| 03:53.44 | SilentSwan | i want to move to british columbia |
| 03:53.55 | SilentSwan | absolutely beautiful |
| 03:54.00 | I_Died_Once | see, you people far inland - thats your problem - people are crazy out yonder |
| 03:54.10 | I_Died_Once | I wanna go to Amsterdam |
| 03:54.18 | SilentSwan | ah, that would be fun |
| 03:54.22 | SilentSwan | but wouldn't want to live there |
| 03:54.23 | I_Died_Once | I might go next year too |
| 03:54.32 | I_Died_Once | if I go by myself, I wouldnt come back |
| 03:54.56 | I_Died_Once | my friend might go |
| 03:55.19 | I_Died_Once | I can fly there for free, my friend for next to nothing, because I work for Delta |
| 03:55.28 | SilentSwan | ah nice |
| 03:55.44 | SilentSwan | send me tickets then please :) |
| 03:55.50 | I_Died_Once | I do cargo |
| 03:55.58 | SilentSwan | i can be placed in a box |
| 03:56.11 | I_Died_Once | you people would be amazed at the shit they send via commercial airlines |
| 03:56.32 | I_Died_Once | pets (dogs & cats) |
| 03:56.34 | SilentSwan | what sorts of things? |
| 03:56.35 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 03:56.36 | SilentSwan | yeah |
| 03:56.38 | JeffM2501 | lang please |
| 03:56.44 | JeffM2501 | but yeah people are freaks |
| 03:57.01 | I_Died_Once | stuff from couriers... payrolls... forgotten wallets |
| 03:57.07 | I_Died_Once | dead people |
| 03:57.32 | JeffM2501 | how else would you send em? |
| 03:57.41 | I_Died_Once | (they're in boxes and we use forklifts to load and unload them |
| 03:57.44 | SilentSwan | ew |
| 03:57.55 | I_Died_Once | for real |
| 03:58.00 | I_Died_Once | i was freaked out at first |
| 03:58.13 | I_Died_Once | but they're in boxes with wooden bottoms... |
| 03:58.23 | I_Died_Once | and this industrial strength cardboard |
| 03:58.35 | I_Died_Once | I can stand on oen and it wouldnt budge |
| 03:58.56 | I_Died_Once | belt loaders & forklift to move them |
| 03:59.07 | I_Died_Once | air craft parts |
| 03:59.28 | I_Died_Once | and it earns me free flights |
| 03:59.46 | I_Died_Once | so I can fly out to where all of you peole live and rojambo you all |
| 03:59.50 | SilentSwan | what, you get "miles" for how many corpses you load? :) |
| 04:00.02 | I_Died_Once | nah |
| 04:00.24 | I_Died_Once | i shipped out people i went to school with |
| 04:00.33 | I_Died_Once | and local celecrities |
| 04:00.53 | I_Died_Once | like a big time priest just dies, and we're shipping his to dayton oh on saturday |
| 04:01.05 | I_Died_Once | its a job |
| 04:01.11 | I_Died_Once | needds to pay more |
| 04:01.44 | I_Died_Once | red tape everywhere |
| 04:01.50 | I_Died_Once | paperwork out the wazoo |
| 04:01.59 | I_Died_Once | dealing with the TSAsecurity |
| 04:02.05 | I_Died_Once | FAA |
| 04:02.09 | I_Died_Once | customs |
| 04:02.30 | I_Died_Once | I know every damn bodyin this armpit of america |
| 04:03.39 | I_Died_Once | the bad thing is this big bankruptcy ordeal.... |
| 04:03.58 | I_Died_Once | that is a big hoax to let delta skip out on paying all the people thats ever retired from there - their retirements |
| 04:04.09 | SilentSwan | figures |
| 04:04.18 | JeffM2501 | and why do you work for these people then? |
| 04:04.20 | I_Died_Once | its a big way for them to skip out on paying people retirements |
| 04:04.53 | bryjen | SilentSwan: http://a1072.g.akamai.net/f/1072/2062/1d/gallery.rei.com/media/603559Lrg.jpg |
| 04:04.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (20 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 04:04.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: added 'triangle-per-frame counters' |
| 04:04.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - hackish activation (press 't' and 'y') |
| 04:04.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - only the static sceneNodes are currently tallied |
| 04:05.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - normal nodes and shadows nodes are summed together |
| 04:05.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - radar triangle counts are separate |
| 04:05.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - MeshSceneNode lods are taken into account |
| 04:05.10 | I_Died_Once | yeah, this flourishing economy here |
| 04:05.14 | I_Died_Once | jobs dont grow on trees |
| 04:05.21 | JeffM2501 | awww trepan for me :) |
| 04:05.28 | I_Died_Once | it afford me to see my daughter once a month who lives right outside atlanta |
| 04:05.37 | JeffM2501 | sure any count is good |
| 04:05.59 | I_Died_Once | interesting work |
| 04:06.46 | I_Died_Once | been there five years |
| 04:07.01 | JeffM2501 | learner, do you actually use xcode to edit? |
| 04:07.21 | I_Died_Once | but does any bzflaggers live in AMsterdam? |
| 04:07.41 | *** join/#bzflag teh_conquerer (i=teh_conq@host-148-144-230-24.midco.net) |
| 04:07.45 | I_Died_Once | or anywhere in holland? |
| 04:08.03 | I_Died_Once | it also afford me "cheap travel" anywhere delta goes |
| 04:08.06 | JeffM2501 | I can't code in vim, tried |
| 04:08.20 | JeffM2501 | I like my displays large and tabbed :) |
| 04:08.29 | SilentSwan | so... you can resize your window |
| 04:08.41 | I_Died_Once | i wanna find a host or someone to ride with in AMS |
| 04:09.02 | JeffM2501 | no multi file tabs |
| 04:09.07 | learner | JeffM2501, I' |
| 04:09.08 | JeffM2501 | or function jumps |
| 04:09.14 | SilentSwan | sure there is |
| 04:09.16 | learner | I'm an emacs guy |
| 04:09.16 | SilentSwan | ctags |
| 04:09.25 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 04:09.26 | SilentSwan | oh.. i used to use XEmacs long ago |
| 04:09.28 | learner | but yes, I have programmed extensively in XCode too |
| 04:09.32 | JeffM2501 | cus xcode sucks for an editor |
| 04:09.47 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 04:09.50 | SilentSwan | kids these days |
| 04:09.59 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:10.05 | JeffM2501 | are you even older then me? ;) |
| 04:10.10 | SilentSwan | 32 |
| 04:10.16 | JeffM2501 | when? |
| 04:10.22 | SilentSwan | in May |
| 04:10.33 | I_Died_Once | I turn 28 on Nov 6 |
| 04:10.34 | JeffM2501 | ok you got a couple months on me |
| 04:10.38 | learner | JeffM2501, there is code completion |
| 04:10.39 | SilentSwan | kids |
| 04:10.49 | JeffM2501 | featal tissue I_Died_Once |
| 04:11.01 | JeffM2501 | I was in sept |
| 04:11.08 | I_Died_Once | For my birthday, I want DTRemenak to update his bzfscron plugin to current API |
| 04:11.14 | learner | you have to tell it to index your code I believe, or somesuch once |
| 04:11.26 | JeffM2501 | he's be in finals then probably |
| 04:11.28 | learner | otherwise it just completes API calls or something |
| 04:11.31 | trepan | JeffM2501: forgot to mention, DEBUG_RENDERING must be defined for the counters |
| 04:11.39 | JeffM2501 | trepan, makes sense |
| 04:11.44 | JeffM2501 | I only run debug for some reason |
| 04:11.57 | learner | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/XcodeUserGuide20/Contents/Resources/en.lproj/ed_code_completion/chapter_21_section_2.html |
| 04:12.35 | SilentSwan | me no like xcode |
| 04:12.45 | SilentSwan | i think he was referring to vim with regards to code completion |
| 04:12.58 | JeffM2501 | wonder if there is a "make it like VC7" mode :) |
| 04:12.58 | learner | ahh |
| 04:13.07 | SilentSwan | grr |
| 04:13.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure I could get vim to do all the things I want |
| 04:13.21 | JeffM2501 | if I tried hard enough |
| 04:13.26 | SilentSwan | so it's easy for me |
| 04:13.35 | SilentSwan | but... to each his/her own |
| 04:13.40 | learner | SilentSwan grew up? :) |
| 04:13.46 | SilentSwan | learner well, not really |
| 04:14.18 | JeffM2501 | actualy if I still had the knowledge I had when learning C++ I'm sure I would be fine |
| 04:14.24 | SilentSwan | i'm 32, i feel 52, and act 22 |
| 04:14.25 | JeffM2501 | was all about the code warrior |
| 04:14.54 | learner | SilentSwan, then you're probably in good company |
| 04:15.11 | SilentSwan | good to be well-rounded |
| 04:15.49 | bryjen | too much cheesecake does that |
| 04:15.57 | JeffM2501 | and pie |
| 04:16.11 | SilentSwan | i could use some... i'm a beanpole |
| 04:16.22 | JeffM2501 | haven't been able to play hockey ether since I hurt my knee ether :( |
| 04:17.54 | SilentSwan | have a friend trying to get me into all this herbal *stuff* lately... and all these funky foods |
| 04:18.01 | learner | i think i'm going to start rowing again this spring |
| 04:18.05 | learner | miss it way too much |
| 04:18.05 | SilentSwan | basically, i turn my nose up and go back to my cheeseburger |
| 04:18.07 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:18.39 | SilentSwan | rowing, eh? i am into sea kayaking... though didn't get out much this year |
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| 04:18.44 | JeffM2501 | did some sea kiaking in hawaii, was fun |
| 04:18.44 | trepan | JeffM2501: how's quake4? just read that a linux version was released |
| 04:18.48 | learner | SilentSwan, heh, a cheeseburger yet you're a beanpole? them arteries must be nice and tight :) |
| 04:18.54 | JeffM2501 | trepan, it's fun |
| 04:19.06 | JeffM2501 | more story then the last one |
| 04:19.09 | SilentSwan | learner i apparently have a high metabolism... i can eat junk food but never gain weight |
| 04:19.10 | JeffM2501 | you get NPC buddies |
| 04:19.21 | JeffM2501 | looks kick ass with all the stuff turned up |
| 04:19.27 | trepan | might be reason enough to upgrade |
| 04:19.32 | JeffM2501 | will run like a pig on your current system |
| 04:19.37 | JeffM2501 | runs somewhat pigish on mine |
| 04:19.42 | JeffM2501 | it's doom3 engine |
| 04:19.44 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 04:19.47 | JeffM2501 | the lighting is amazing tho |
| 04:19.57 | trepan | JeffM2501: that's the main reason i want to see it :) |
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| 04:20.10 | JeffM2501 | one part |
| 04:20.10 | trepan | not much into the walk-about fps's really |
| 04:20.14 | JeffM2501 | going down an elevator |
| 04:20.16 | JeffM2501 | lights going by |
| 04:20.21 | JeffM2501 | your team turns on flashlights |
| 04:20.27 | JeffM2501 | beams going over the plave |
| 04:20.29 | JeffM2501 | place |
| 04:20.32 | JeffM2501 | it's beautiful |
| 04:20.42 | Beep | Why would BZ insist on adding a grass texture to an object using a color-only material? |
| 04:20.45 | JeffM2501 | they have a hovertank :) |
| 04:24.50 | Beep | Hmm. It's happy to let me use any texture I want, but if I use "notextures" I get grass. |
| 04:25.08 | JeffM2501 | for what object? |
| 04:25.27 | Beep | It's a group containing two meshboxes and an arc. |
| 04:25.42 | trepan | bzfs version? ... and pastebin.com the .bzw |
| 04:25.49 | Beep | Sure... |
| 04:25.59 | SilentSwan | *grr*... no "vi" on gentoo when in chroot |
| 04:26.14 | Beep | BZ forum release 2.0.5b1 for Windows |
| 04:26.18 | Beep | and... |
| 04:27.53 | trepan | windows bzfs, doesn't bode well |
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| 04:29.09 | trepan | little early for costumes |
| 04:29.43 | Beepghost | http://pastebin.com/400593 |
| 04:29.47 | Beepghost | Lines in question are |
| 04:30.12 | Beepghost | material at 154 and group instance at 958 |
| 04:31.36 | trepan | Beepghost: try joining trepan.homelinux.net:5154 |
| 04:31.52 | trepan | if the textures are as you want them, it's a window bzfs prob |
| 04:31.59 | trepan | otherwise, it's a client issue |
| 04:32.10 | Beepghost | Thank you, sir |
| 04:34.22 | Beepghost | I made the mistake of working around the error in my posting. It's corrected now. |
| 04:35.47 | trepan | host is now running the 400598 version |
| 04:39.42 | trepan | client bug it is then... |
| 04:40.07 | Beepghost | Yes. I'm trying it on the b2 release now. |
| 04:41.24 | trepan | also try saving the map from your client, see if it jives |
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| 04:44.02 | Beepghost | Saved map has removed my color specification line, which was "color 1 1 1 1" |
| 04:44.17 | trepan | ya, tries to remove some of the defaults |
| 04:44.49 | Beepghost | Is there another way to specify "pure white, no texture"? |
| 04:45.42 | blast007 | a 1x1 pixel white texture? ;) |
| 04:45.58 | Beepghost | That's mildly frightening. |
| 04:46.03 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:46.30 | Beepghost | I'm trying to go without textures, because I plan to use about 300 instances of that group. |
| 04:46.48 | Beepghost | Is "color white" valid? |
| 04:46.59 | trepan | yup |
| 04:47.27 | Beepghost | I tried it... still a grassy cross. |
| 04:47.43 | Beepghost | Is grass a default texture for group objects? |
| 04:48.13 | trepan | no, group instantiations don't modify materials by default |
| 04:48.29 | Beepghost | OK. I guess this has me whipped. I'll just texture 'em. |
| 04:49.05 | trepan | try adding a 'dummy' material after purewhite |
| 04:49.37 | Beepghost | OK |
| 04:50.43 | Beepghost | I used "lightning" which is a white-to-black flash material. that works fine, no texture. |
| 04:50.55 | Beepghost | Let me try adding a dummy dyncol to my white. |
| 04:53.05 | Beepghost | Yes! Adding a do-nothing dyncol to the material solved the problem. |
| 04:53.22 | Beepghost | "alpha sequence .1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1" |
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| 07:56.29 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat if you just want to chat || paste errors to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || BZFlag 2.0.4 Released! |
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| 07:59.33 | silverfox | hmm... I'm having trouble with 2.0.5 (several day old CVS) recognizing a spawn zone. |
| 08:00.15 | silverfox | any known issues? |
| 08:02.09 | trepan | pastebin.com |
| 08:02.48 | silverfox | bzfs isn't complaining. |
| 08:03.00 | silverfox | http://silvercat.tybox.net/mapwiki.bzw |
| 08:03.07 | silverfox | http://silvercat.tybox.net/mapwiki.out |
| 08:03.19 | silverfox | silvercat.tybox.net:5151 |
| 08:05.49 | trepan | happened to notice if you bzfs was looped? ;) |
| 08:05.54 | trepan | s/you/your |
| 08:06.52 | silverfox | I use daemontools, so yes, it kicks right back up if it goes down. |
| 08:06.57 | silverfox | is that what you mean? |
| 08:07.17 | jpa- | nah, there is a loop if it can't find a spawn spot |
| 08:07.28 | jpa- | after many many rounds it will drop the tank anywhere |
| 08:07.38 | silverfox | A loop where? In the map?!? |
| 08:07.43 | jpa- | could this be a missing -sb problem? |
| 08:07.48 | silverfox | could be. |
| 08:07.53 | silverfox | hadn't thought of that. |
| 08:09.17 | silverfox | that was it! |
| 08:09.22 | silverfox | thanks. |
| 08:09.26 | jpa- | :) |
| 08:09.41 | silverfox | silly and I are well aquainted. |
| 08:15.42 | trepan | set _coldetElements to 32, and _coldetDepth to 7 |
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| 10:14.43 | lala | yo ladies :) |
| 10:27.47 | jpa- | hello |
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| 12:42.19 | BearPerson | _Manu_? |
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| 12:48.48 | _Manu_ | irc rehubbing :/ |
| 12:48.48 | BearPerson | the bug isn't in server code |
| 12:48.48 | _Manu_ | yeah |
| 12:48.48 | BearPerson | it's the client that forgets to store the IP in some cases |
| 12:48.48 | BearPerson | compare the code in playing.cxx for many joins and for a single join |
| 12:48.48 | _Manu_ | it does when join |
| 12:49.10 | BearPerson | it has always done so |
| 12:49.10 | BearPerson | I've seen and fixed this bug a long time ago |
| 12:49.23 | _Manu_ | real my last message |
| 12:49.23 | _Manu_ | mean read.. |
| 12:49.59 | BearPerson | it does a setIpAddress if numIPs > 1 |
| 12:50.02 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.12 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.12 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.12 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.12 | _Manu_ | } // end for loop |
| 12:50.24 | _Manu_ | it set when joining.. |
| 12:50.38 | _Manu_ | but you must set showips > 0 to it |
| 12:50.43 | BearPerson | ah |
| 12:50.53 | _Manu_ | and viper version is old :/ |
| 12:51.16 | _Manu_ | don't run in viper because it :) |
| 12:51.49 | BearPerson | showips is a server-side variable? |
| 12:52.05 | _Manu_ | yes, is the server who knows the ip :) |
| 12:52.26 | BearPerson | then how come I get IPs on signon/off with my patch all the time? |
| 12:52.30 | BearPerson | on viper |
| 12:52.41 | BearPerson | it does send the ip |
| 12:52.43 | _Manu_ | dunno, because the old code probably |
| 12:53.04 | _Manu_ | but the actual code is fine |
| 12:53.55 | _Manu_ | or I think so |
| 12:53.55 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 12:54.15 | BearPerson | hmm... if I change the setting in by bzflag config it changes the join message |
| 13:19.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Fix write ip when a player leaves, thanks to Karsten Behrmann |
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| 17:01.26 | Grumbler | http://homokaasu.org/gasgames/game.gas?21 |
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| 17:11.54 | brlcad_ | Grumbler: hehe, pretty cool |
| 17:12.35 | brlcad_ | though getting it to stabilize enough to get a score in the millions is just .. almost unfathomable :) |
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| 17:17.25 | Guest341 | hi |
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| 17:19.24 | Grumbler | brlcad, yeah, it took me awhile to get just past level 1 :) |
| 17:21.06 | blast007 | the first time, I clicked on the red dot, so it was over pretty fast...then I read the directions ;) |
| 17:27.23 | Chestal | hmm, I don't grok the insanity game |
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| 17:44.06 | I_Died_Once | Holy Crap |
| 17:44.12 | I_Died_Once | Gues what |
| 17:44.27 | I_Died_Once | this is huge |
| 17:44.38 | I_Died_Once | I just figured out & fixed the bzfscron plugin |
| 17:44.49 | I_Died_Once | I got a working crontab in use |
| 17:46.01 | I_Died_Once | I'd like to thank the nobel academy... |
| 17:47.49 | I_Died_Once | in the bzfscron source, in the bzfscron.cpp file... at the top... |
| 17:48.09 | I_Died_Once | is #include "bzfsAPI.h" |
| 17:48.18 | trepan | depending on the compiler, a little -I usually helps |
| 17:48.39 | I_Died_Once | I changed that too, essentially, #include <path/to/bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h> |
| 17:48.58 | I_Died_Once | well I dont know the magic of C++ - I was doing what wegstar said to do to compile HIS plugin |
| 17:49.09 | I_Died_Once | I tried it on DTR's one, and I'll be damned if it didnt work |
| 17:49.16 | jpa- | :) |
| 17:49.26 | I_Died_Once | that, and I copied the bzfsPI.h file into the bzfscron source folder |
| 17:49.27 | jpa- | -I would've worked :) |
| 17:49.38 | I_Died_Once | You know what |
| 17:49.52 | I_Died_Once | I have been asking, begging, and pleaing for help getting this plugin compiled |
| 17:50.02 | I_Died_Once | for some time now |
| 17:50.04 | trepan | whining? |
| 17:50.17 | I_Died_Once | I think I tried about everything |
| 17:50.29 | I_Died_Once | and now - NOW he tells me what else would have worked |
| 17:50.30 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: not to belittle your huge feat, but that's not "fixing the bzfscron plugin" -- that's just working around your difficulty learning how include files work with build options |
| 17:50.39 | jpa- | heh :) |
| 17:51.01 | brlcad | there was nothing wrong with the plugin if that's all you changed |
| 17:51.35 | I_Died_Once | well |
| 17:51.47 | I_Died_Once | before, it read this huge crontab as if it were onehuge command |
| 17:51.52 | I_Died_Once | now it reads it correctly |
| 17:51.55 | jpa- | i think gcc should produce a fairly obvious error on that one |
| 17:52.20 | brlcad | jpa-: it does :) it's just what's obvious to one is not necessarily obvious to others ;) |
| 17:52.33 | brlcad | to a developer, it says exactly what is needed |
| 17:52.35 | I_Died_Once | Call me crazy and insane, but I determine that to be broken :: fixed |
| 17:53.01 | jpa- | brlcad: but if he has been having problems, if he has pasted the error, i'm fairly sure someone would've said what is wrong |
| 17:53.05 | brlcad | if a header is not found, you have to modify the include path fed to the compiler |
| 17:53.26 | brlcad | jpa-: I'm not nearly that sure someone would have for many many reasons :) |
| 17:53.27 | I_Died_Once | thats just it jpa - it wasnt completely broken |
| 17:53.29 | jpa- | that wouldn't explain misbehaviour though.. what is this "< I_Died_Once> before, it read this huge crontab as if it were onehuge command" |
| 17:53.37 | I_Died_Once | it would read and carry out the first take in the crontab |
| 17:53.38 | brlcad | it wasn't at all broken |
| 17:53.48 | I_Died_Once | **task |
| 17:53.54 | jpa- | hmm |
| 17:54.16 | I_Died_Once | my first task was * * * * * /say welcome to... then on the next line was another command |
| 17:54.31 | jpa- | i can see no reason how modifying that #include line would change it.. |
| 17:54.35 | I_Died_Once | it would display as "Server"welcome to * * * * * /say next task..." |
| 17:54.43 | brlcad | jpa-: you have to read between the lines |
| 17:54.51 | brlcad | it obviously compiled for him at some point in time |
| 17:54.55 | I_Died_Once | I posted screenys of this in the bzfscron plugin thread |
| 17:54.58 | brlcad | so that's what was being used |
| 17:55.07 | brlcad | and that one is apparently broken |
| 17:55.18 | brlcad | so he was trying to recompile the version that is fixed |
| 17:55.18 | jpa- | is the crontab compiled in or something? |
| 17:55.19 | Grumbler | broken is a relative term, to the farmer working the fields, an axle is broken when it doesnt connect the wheels, to the kids playing with the wheels, the axle is broken when it connects the two wheels |
| 17:55.22 | I_Died_Once | when the API updated, it made it act screwy |
| 17:55.45 | I_Died_Once | no, its given as a config file |
| 17:55.55 | jpa- | brlcad: ah |
| 17:56.07 | I_Died_Once | the last source posted was an update or two ago on the API |
| 17:56.13 | brlcad | until he got it working, he was using the old broken one |
| 17:56.18 | I_Died_Once | well before 0.4 came out |
| 17:56.36 | I_Died_Once | chatchannel did something similar |
| 17:56.42 | brlcad | the "problem" though, was not feeding the right build options, which has nothing to do with the plugin itself |
| 17:56.50 | I_Died_Once | we could use all of its help files, but the "functionality" of it quit working |
| 17:56.59 | I_Died_Once | whats his name fixed it and it works like a charm now |
| 17:57.13 | I_Died_Once | bzfscron funked up at the same time & its never gotten a fix |
| 17:57.28 | I_Died_Once | updating paths fixed it for me |
| 17:57.42 | I_Died_Once | believe it or not, that my story and I'm stickin to it |
| 17:57.42 | jpa- | hmm hmm.. what does this teach us? one should care if gcc gives errors :) |
| 17:58.51 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: just because it doesn't compile doesn't mean it doesn't "work" or that the plugin is even broken -- it means that it simply doesn't build using just 'make' or whatever you're using to build it |
| 17:59.03 | brlcad | that's VERY often the case in code |
| 17:59.17 | Tupone | brlcad: I agree that plugins should not be in bzflag tarball |
| 17:59.24 | brlcad | you have to read what it tells you, not just gloss over the output and throw up your hands declaring it broken |
| 17:59.34 | brlcad | Tupone: hehe |
| 17:59.42 | bryjen | adding the full path to that include made it compile for you. most likely whoever broke the include (for you) probly had fixed the other issue already. |
| 18:00.12 | Tupone | I don't care if they are in another project, or just in the drop-basket :) |
| 18:00.45 | trepan | Tupone: a little extreme, no? :) |
| 18:01.07 | Tupone | naha, I don't like this implementation at all :) |
| 18:01.35 | I_Died_Once | brlcad: it ALWAYS compiled, it just had lost its ability to read a crontab with more than one command |
| 18:02.00 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: fixing an include path does not change functionality |
| 18:02.11 | jpa- | I_Died_Once: or then, it didn't compile, and you just tried the previously compiled version over and over? |
| 18:02.27 | I_Died_Once | i always do make clean |
| 18:02.41 | I_Died_Once | well if that doesnt explain the fix, then so be it |
| 18:02.47 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: you really seem to be not understanding what's going on |
| 18:02.51 | I_Died_Once | but I got full use of a crontab for the first time in months |
| 18:03.00 | brlcad | the plugin is getting loaded or it's not |
| 18:03.07 | brlcad | if it's doing anything, good or bad, it's being loaded |
| 18:03.08 | I_Died_Once | yeah, its always been loaded |
| 18:03.20 | brlcad | so then a make clean has nothing to do with it |
| 18:03.25 | brlcad | you were likely reloading an old version |
| 18:03.26 | I_Died_Once | see the thread about it on the forum, i gotta go |
| 18:03.34 | I_Died_Once | I'll post abvout the fix on there later this afternoon |
| 18:03.35 | bryjen | could it have been finding an out-of-date copy of the .h file? or would that cause other problems? |
| 18:03.48 | I_Died_Once | no, i manually deleted all of the .o and .so's |
| 18:03.50 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: make -I/path/to/include |
| 18:04.15 | jpa- | bryjen: i thought that too, but i don't think it could cause this kind of thing, most likely it wouldn't even load |
| 18:04.48 | brlcad | jpa-: at one point, the plugins got installed into system paths, so it's very likely they are being loaded from welsewhere in his system |
| 18:04.56 | brlcad | and he just doesn't undersand/know about it |
| 18:05.05 | jpa- | brlcad: ah |
| 18:05.16 | jpa- | i've not been much into this plugin stuff |
| 18:07.14 | brlcad | it's all fine until there are people that refuse to try to understand what's going on with build issues -- there are plenty here willing to help if they feel they're not wasting their time on someone |
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| 18:10.43 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: typo, make CPPFLAGS="-I/path/to/include" |
| 18:11.47 | BusyBeaver | i hate the seperation of h and cpp files in c++ I code all class implementation in h files |
| 18:12.17 | brlcad | and the rationality for this hatred? :) |
| 18:12.45 | _Manu_ | heh :) |
| 18:12.53 | jpa- | i hate c++ :) |
| 18:12.58 | jpa- | well not hate |
| 18:13.13 | _Manu_ | probably c++ hates you ;) |
| 18:13.14 | jpa- | but python is cuter anyway :) |
| 18:13.16 | BusyBeaver | i like java and c# where it is all so easy to start |
| 18:13.21 | BusyBeaver | a project |
| 18:13.31 | BusyBeaver | that uses dlls of others |
| 18:13.40 | jpa- | _Manu_: yes, yes it does. atleast the damn *&*&*&*'s hate me |
| 18:14.55 | BusyBeaver | i also never use new and delete in c++ because i just make all stuff go on stack |
| 18:15.51 | BusyBeaver | thats anyway better for a game to not use new |
| 18:16.06 | BusyBeaver | except in the game init method, maybe |
| 18:16.29 | _Manu_ | BusyBeaver, better think two times before talking ;) |
| 18:16.47 | BusyBeaver | i do three times |
| 18:17.04 | _Manu_ | then you have a problem, because you don't understand how c++ works |
| 18:17.16 | _Manu_ | remember c++ is not C# nor Java |
| 18:17.21 | BusyBeaver | i know |
| 18:17.45 | BusyBeaver | but when a game runs it is not good to use new or delete |
| 18:17.57 | BusyBeaver | i think games do not do that |
| 18:18.07 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:18.21 | brlcad | games most certainly do do that |
| 18:18.22 | _Manu_ | why are you going to refuse to use what a language brings to you? heh |
| 18:18.36 | BusyBeaver | because it is costly |
| 18:18.37 | _Manu_ | new is like C malloc |
| 18:18.52 | BusyBeaver | yeah do not use malloc when game runs only in init |
| 18:19.17 | brlcad | optimizing according to blanket hearsay thinking is just wrong |
| 18:19.30 | brlcad | you profile, you optimize |
| 18:19.35 | BusyBeaver | thats a golden rule, to make you game more robust |
| 18:19.40 | trepan | BusyBeaver: very, very, small games |
| 18:19.48 | brlcad | new and delete are not "costly" most of the time |
| 18:19.49 | trepan | lines 100 line ascii games |
| 18:19.56 | trepan | s/lines/like |
| 18:20.12 | brlcad | and by most, that's probably a solid 99% of the time |
| 18:20.18 | _Manu_ | BusyBeaver, if you can write bzflag without use new or delete, you can show us ;) |
| 18:20.39 | trepan | some games even implement their own heap management |
| 18:20.40 | BusyBeaver | new and delete are not costly, but sometimes are, and sometimes you forget to free stuff, and sometimes you forget to set a limit on entities for example |
| 18:21.08 | brlcad | _Manu_: oh, it can be done, it's just "why??" .. it really buys you little, and gains more in maintenance issues and stack woes |
| 18:21.08 | _Manu_ | BusyBeaver, you also can use a garbage collector under c++ but it also has negative effects |
| 18:21.28 | _Manu_ | brlcad, of course.. but at what cost? ;) |
| 18:21.42 | brlcad | there's no failure recovery on a stack allocation -- kerrrash goes the appy |
| 18:21.57 | BusyBeaver | performance gain |
| 18:22.02 | brlcad | or some of the most bizarre bugs after it's stomped |
| 18:22.32 | BusyBeaver | i bet bzflag could live without ne and delete |
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| 18:23.10 | brlcad | BusyBeaver: as a blanket statement, that's bull -- prove the performance gain versus the risk of crashing and cross-developer maintenance |
| 18:23.27 | BusyBeaver | bye the way if do not allow new and delete memory cost is constant |
| 18:23.40 | trepan | BusyBeaver: i bet you'd have trouble finding your way out of a cardboard box |
| 18:23.46 | brlcad | a little snippet of code that gives a "oh, look it's faster on the stack" isn't an application |
| 18:23.50 | bryjen | kerrrash would be for a kde app |
| 18:23.53 | brlcad | you're optimizing without profiling |
| 18:24.05 | brlcad | which is just ludicrous |
| 18:24.58 | trepan | brlcad: some optimizations are reasonable to do without profiling |
| 18:24.58 | Chestal | of course new should only be used if necessary, but to get rid of all dynamic memory allocation during main program phase means that you preallocate all buffers, lists etc. to a fix maxed size |
| 18:25.13 | BusyBeaver | right |
| 18:25.30 | BusyBeaver | so if you allow at max 64 entities |
| 18:25.35 | Chestal | and even that you'd need placement new for objects (ok, it does no do allocation) |
| 18:25.58 | BusyBeaver | you alloc it on init |
| 18:26.23 | Chestal | you do this on hard realtime systems |
| 18:26.23 | brlcad | trepan: true, but that's rather expert/experience knowledge usually based on someone at some point having profiled or worked through the math of the algorithmic complexities involved (which is usually even better than profiling) |
| 18:26.26 | Chestal | which games are not |
| 18:26.53 | trepan | brlcad: you mean someone who wouldn't make the blanket statement the new and delete are not to be used in game code? |
| 18:26.55 | Chestal | or you'd try to use your own custom allocator which has upper limit on time |
| 18:27.34 | trepan | admittely, necessary, not sufficient |
| 18:27.55 | brlcad | after you realize that allocation time is actually an issue and warrants it |
| 18:28.16 | BusyBeaver | i feel much more comfortable if i alloc all ininit and during game runs only change my data structures to be ready for the next frame |
| 18:29.00 | Chestal | BusyBeaver: this can quickly become dynamic memory management in disguise |
| 18:29.37 | Chestal | Java people seemed to do that a lot in the past when the VM sucked more |
| 18:29.47 | Chestal | pooling of objects for later reuse etc. |
| 18:29.55 | jpa- | ..or then you end up eating all ram :) |
| 18:30.00 | Chestal | with a GC language that's really soemehat funny :-) |
| 18:30.20 | jpa- | recycle to reduce garbage :) |
| 18:30.51 | BusyBeaver | dynamic memory management is good for apps that need on demand meory, which they cannot say how much it will be on start, and also they know it can be too much to allocate, because that mauch will never be requested in future, and they have to be concurrency friendly too |
| 18:31.19 | BusyBeaver | lol |
| 18:32.51 | BusyBeaver | c++ would rock if it did not have all that ugly header fiels |
| 18:33.20 | brlcad | BusyBeaver: the reasoning isn't bad, it's just taking it too far without taking the context of your development into case -- it's rarely ever true that blanket statements are true ;) |
| 18:33.44 | BusyBeaver | it has so much more possibilities than c#, especially when manipulating buffers, c# is bad |
| 18:35.37 | BusyBeaver | c# is fast on getting things doen like: if i want to make an http request get that data parse it for some match with an email regex and than send tha matches to a db or mail them |
| 18:35.45 | BusyBeaver | i can do that like in 5 min in c# |
| 18:35.48 | BusyBeaver | in c++ |
| 18:36.00 | BusyBeaver | i even do not know where to start |
| 18:36.02 | Chestal | hmm, gcc3.4/4.0 have some strange decrease in performance of optimized code when compared to 3.3 sometimes |
| 18:36.12 | BusyBeaver | of course you need the framework |
| 18:36.37 | BusyBeaver | but there is no a good framework that can do it all in c++ |
| 18:36.48 | Chestal | well, it's easy to do there because it defiens a platform and comes with all sorts of utility libs |
| 18:36.53 | BusyBeaver | its missing a complete set of classes to do common things |
| 18:36.54 | Chestal | c++ world is much more heterogenous |
| 18:37.05 | BusyBeaver | true |
| 18:40.22 | Grumbler | wow, its a friday and conversations on programming ideology.......sheesh, wait for happy hour at least |
| 18:41.21 | BusyBeaver | man i am happy that there is managed direct x now |
| 18:41.59 | BusyBeaver | now i can do the 3d stuff in c# too, and do not need to make it like using some opengl bindings |
| 18:42.00 | jpa- | Grumbler: just be happy that i'm not participating into the conversation :) |
| 18:42.35 | brlcad | Chestal: yeah, according to one of the gcc devs (who works here conveniently), there are several pathalogical optimization cases in gcc 4 that aren't handled yet |
| 18:42.37 | BusyBeaver | but sadly most 3d engine, also the most i prefer: nebual 2, is written in c++ |
| 18:42.47 | brlcad | something to do with a complete rewrite of their middle layer |
| 18:42.57 | bryjen | almost 9pm in europe? past happy hour? |
| 18:43.10 | BusyBeaver | happy hour? |
| 18:43.15 | BusyBeaver | wtf is that |
| 18:43.19 | jpa- | bryjen: 21:43 here :) |
| 18:43.34 | brlcad | happy hour starts as soon as I walk out the door ;) |
| 18:43.41 | BusyBeaver | why? |
| 18:43.47 | BusyBeaver | what do you do? |
| 18:43.53 | bryjen | jpa-: check your clock to make sure it's not frozen ;) |
| 18:44.06 | brlcad | you consume various amounts of liquid bliss |
| 18:44.14 | jpa- | bryjen: hey, it is still above zero |
| 18:44.17 | BusyBeaver | do you feel better thanß |
| 18:44.18 | BusyBeaver | ? |
| 18:44.24 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:44.31 | BusyBeaver | ok :) |
| 18:44.36 | BusyBeaver | me not |
| 18:46.12 | brlcad | that usually means "no" then :) |
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| 18:46.22 | BusyBeaver | i want to get out of bed at 6 AM and start coding my game |
| 18:46.43 | bryjen | goodness is subjective |
| 18:46.45 | brlcad | those tastebuds don't seem to develop until you have a full-time office job for several years |
| 18:47.14 | brlcad | Tupone: perhaps! muahaha :) |
| 18:47.20 | Grumbler | ...or a spouse for a few weeks |
| 18:47.28 | brlcad | silly freenode filtering |
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| 18:48.45 | BusyBeaver | damn nebula 2 uses phyton script or luna script both i do not have a clue about |
| 18:49.15 | Grumbler | python is harmless |
| 18:49.49 | _Manu_ | Grumbler, python is too much things.. also slow ;) |
| 18:50.09 | BusyBeaver | yeah they persits game objects in scripts |
| 18:50.28 | BusyBeaver | so they can instanciate the game by running all the scripts |
| 18:50.48 | ToughShooter | Grumbler: When a language can cause runtime type errors I wouldn't say harmless ;) |
| 18:50.52 | BusyBeaver | when the game is ready for production it is serialized to binary |
| 18:51.00 | BusyBeaver | so instanciation is quick |
| 18:51.17 | BusyBeaver | the adavantage to serialize to phytjon is its human readable |
| 18:51.23 | BusyBeaver | and you can change settings |
| 18:51.29 | BusyBeaver | like material colors |
| 18:51.35 | BusyBeaver | by editing the fiels |
| 18:51.37 | brlcad | BusyBeaver: have you ever considered making bz patches? |
| 18:51.56 | BusyBeaver | i made one, it was a cheat actually .) |
| 18:51.58 | BusyBeaver | lol |
| 18:52.00 | _Manu_ | brlcad, probably actually he makes ;) |
| 18:52.16 | _Manu_ | alex alex :) |
| 18:52.18 | brlcad | ToughShooter: that's the idealogy behind several programming languages |
| 18:52.45 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Saw the smily? |
| 18:52.45 | brlcad | yeah, I mean a patch that's actually useful and can be applied to the core for everyone to use and appreciate |
| 18:53.09 | BusyBeaver | no bzflag is a bit boring, not my type of game |
| 18:53.25 | BusyBeaver | though it can be fun, but i like more sports game, like tennis |
| 18:53.35 | brlcad | then you're here for the coffee then? |
| 18:53.36 | _Manu_ | then what are you doing here? :) |
| 18:53.43 | brlcad | gmta |
| 18:53.45 | _Manu_ | trolling us :) |
| 18:53.50 | BusyBeaver | just dicussing some things |
| 18:54.00 | BusyBeaver | makes fun |
| 19:02.18 | brlcad | http://media.putfile.com/WetlookWasserbett/480 |
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| 19:09.07 | ToughShooter | nice :D |
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| 19:09.58 | Tupone | hey alex :) |
| 19:10.04 | ibunny | ciao tupito |
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| 19:15.05 | BusyBeaver | http://media.putfile.com/Rock-Hurricane :) |
| 19:15.08 | BusyBeaver | hahaha |
| 19:15.35 | TD-Linux | don't have that plugin |
| 19:16.43 | TD-Linux | ~irritate TimRiker |
| 19:16.45 | ibot | TimRiker: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd hello? |
| 19:17.11 | ToughShooter | TD-Linux: With Firefox you can go into page info context menu, select media and save the wmv. mplayer can play those files on OS X at least |
| 19:18.13 | Pimpi | debian also has a mplayer plugin for mozilla anf compatible |
| 19:18.20 | Pimpi | iirc |
| 19:18.59 | TD-Linux | hmmm... I'll just let you tell me if it was funny |
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| 19:19.47 | BusyBeaver | http://media.putfile.com/Pietjebelladotcom_0003 :):) |
| 19:20.28 | Alex135 | k i need help agin this time it is serios help with the program itself |
| 19:20.51 | TD-Linux | what is the problem? |
| 19:21.38 | Alex135 | i try to conect to any server and the thing kinda conects but when i try to play it errors out with the windows xp error report notification window |
| 19:21.53 | TD-Linux | what version of bzflag? |
| 19:22.11 | Alex135 | 2.0.4 - 2.0.5b2 |
| 19:22.20 | Alex135 | and i dont have any other virsions |
| 19:22.34 | Alex135 | all others i dont have downloded |
| 19:22.37 | TD-Linux | ok... that's as far as I can help you |
| 19:22.53 | Alex135 | darn |
| 19:22.59 | TD-Linux | get someone else's attention who is smarter than me, there are many |
| 19:23.14 | Alex135 | like who? |
| 19:23.39 | TD-Linux | dunno.... scream HELP ME! and they will find you quick ;) |
| 19:24.00 | Alex135 | HELP ME!!!!!.... plz? |
| 19:24.14 | ToughShooter | I don't think that would help ;) |
| 19:24.32 | Alex135 | lol |
| 19:24.33 | ToughShooter | Rather show the error report |
| 19:24.37 | TD-Linux | the people with a green or yellow dot are good... along with some others, but not very many are active right now. Maybe it would be best to come back later, as many are doing 'real' work right now. |
| 19:24.45 | jpa- | maybe change OS ,) |
| 19:24.59 | Alex135 | i dont have any other os |
| 19:25.02 | Alex135 | not with me atlist |
| 19:25.03 | TD-Linux | jpa-: how did you lose that eye? |
| 19:25.05 | ibunny | Tupone knows |
| 19:25.17 | jpa- | TD-Linux: ibunny slapped me |
| 19:25.30 | Tupone | I don't know how he loose eyes :( |
| 19:25.54 | jpa- | Tupone: you do, i just told |
| 19:26.03 | ibunny | hey i dont slap! |
| 19:26.06 | ibunny | grrr* |
| 19:26.08 | Alex135 | aneway i looked at the error log and it said that the falowing file will be sent with the error |
| 19:26.11 | Alex135 | C:\DOCUME~1\Wanda\LOCALS~1\Temp\edd9_appcompat.txt |
| 19:26.25 | jpa- | oh yeah, it was jolie |
| 19:26.41 | ibunny | bah |
| 19:26.52 | Alex135 | dose that have anything to do with it?^ |
| 19:27.16 | TD-Linux | ~feed ibunny |
| 19:27.18 | ibot | offers ibunny some toe-jam |
| 19:27.27 | Alex135 | :( |
| 19:27.30 | Alex135 | o well |
| 19:27.32 | jpa- | Alex135: no, most likely not, the content might be useful though |
| 19:27.35 | Aribeth | yummmm |
| 19:27.39 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth |
| 19:27.48 | Aribeth | hi ToughShooter |
| 19:27.58 | ibunny | ^_^ |
| 19:28.29 | Tupone | Alex135: what is the error you got ... again ? |
| 19:28.30 | Aribeth | :) |
| 19:28.40 | ibunny | see i told u Tupone knows. |
| 19:28.51 | Tupone | ibunny: :* |
| 19:28.52 | TD-Linux | it's the standard windows crash... the illegal operation thingy |
| 19:29.10 | ibunny | O_O illegal!! bad Alex135 |
| 19:29.12 | TD-Linux | XP's version of illegal operation, from what I hear |
| 19:29.18 | ibunny | :O |
| 19:29.50 | bryjen | a general protection fault by any other name.... |
| 19:29.56 | Alex135 | but i didnt do anything lol |
| 19:29.57 | jpa- | what is the windows alternative for "compile with --enable-debug and run with gdb"? |
| 19:30.06 | ibunny | bryjen!! |
| 19:30.10 | TD-Linux | which is along the lines of "We are soo terribly sorry that bzflag.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. Please tell Microsoft about our problem. |
| 19:30.14 | Alex135 | so the makeres of bzflag are to blame? becus it is causing the pob he he |
| 19:30.17 | Alex135 | ;) |
| 19:30.34 | Tupone | hmm, I wonder if Alex135 has got some update recently from MS-NET , or other source |
| 19:31.00 | Alex135 | i recently got a update from windows |
| 19:31.04 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I would just let it run without debugger ;) |
| 19:31.06 | bryjen | ibunny?? |
| 19:31.17 | Alex135 | huh how? |
| 19:31.18 | ibunny | bryjen, sowwy i ment brlcad :P |
| 19:31.22 | Tupone | Alex135: just before the crash? |
| 19:31.50 | jpa- | ibunny: are you drunk? |
| 19:32.05 | ibunny | jpa-, just on love for ya :P |
| 19:32.15 | jpa- | awww |
| 19:32.20 | ibunny | ibryjen, ?? DID I JUST GOT A BF!?! |
| 19:32.24 | ibryjen | now you will mis-auto-complete only when talking to yourself i-b-TAB |
| 19:32.25 | ibunny | hmmrrr |
| 19:32.38 | ibryjen | ;) |
| 19:32.52 | ibunny | but i dont have time for a bf.. |
| 19:32.54 | ibunny | :P |
| 19:32.58 | jpa- | ~gender ibryjen |
| 19:32.59 | ibot | ibryjen is female |
| 19:33.01 | ibunny | here have a grape instead |
| 19:33.04 | jpa- | no, you got a GF |
| 19:33.11 | ibunny | wow! |
| 19:33.11 | ibryjen | !lart jpa- |
| 19:33.49 | jpa- | hmm.. should we be silent and let them solve alex's problem? :) |
| 19:34.06 | ibunny | yeah... |
| 19:34.20 | ibunny | lets go to the other room |
| 19:34.32 | jpa- | but no ibryjen there |
| 19:34.32 | ibryjen | i doubt it will get solved without more details. "It crashes" isn't a very helpful bug report :/ |
| 19:34.52 | ibunny | theres always room for a girlie there :) |
| 19:35.02 | Alex135 | well it is kinda herd to git it all typed in becus i cant copy it |
| 19:35.37 | jpa- | hmm.. look for something useful, the error reporting dialog basic message isn't useful :) |
| 19:36.01 | Alex135 | like the .dll files that are named in the log? |
| 19:37.49 | Alex135 | module 1 bzflag .exe image base: 0x00400000 image size 0x00000000 checksum:0x00000000 time stamp: 0x43505fbe |
| 19:38.00 | Alex135 | virsone iformation: |
| 19:38.47 | Alex135 | signature 000000000 strucber: 000000000 filever:(0.0:0.0) |
| 19:39.37 | jpa- | sorry, i do not know much about debugging binary programs on windows :/ |
| 19:40.05 | Alex135 | o ok then i will quit but the file that is in here might help let me git it hold on |
| 19:40.30 | ibunny | what? |
| 19:42.26 | Alex135 | nvm it cant find it |
| 19:42.30 | Alex135 | :( |
| 19:43.26 | Alex135 | ok i have 2 comps that have bzflag i named 1 of their pobs but the other has a dif prob |
| 19:44.18 | Alex135 | bzflag just wont start at all on it i dubble click the icon and it just sits thair and it sais the program is running in the prcceses menu but it aint dooing nothen |
| 19:44.33 | Alex135 | i left it for 2 hours but it didnt do didly squat |
| 19:47.01 | Tupone | Alex135: have you tried running from command line? |
| 19:53.31 | Alex135 | well i guess nobody is paying attention i think i will go try to fix it myself agin |
| 19:54.23 | Alex135 | bye |
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| 20:00.15 | IDiedOnce | woot |
| 20:00.36 | IDiedOnce | I'm at work - I posted about the fix of the bzfscron plugin |
| 20:00.40 | IDiedOnce | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5018 |
| 20:01.52 | IDiedOnce | tell me I am out of my mind on the thread so I'll be sure to get it |
| 20:03.18 | ibunny | oh i quitted |
| 20:13.20 | Pimpi | i thought about removing the setperms permission and replacing it with a priority system |
| 20:13.51 | *** part/#bzflag ibunny (n=alex@pdpc/supporter/active/jolie) |
| 20:14.29 | Pimpi | members of a group could add players to any group with lower priority |
| 20:15.11 | Pimpi | GROUP(3): PERM1 PERM2 PERM3 |
| 20:15.14 | Pimpi | this style |
| 20:15.22 | Pimpi | any comments? |
| 20:19.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (20 files): - include |
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| 20:25.36 | srowe | Hi |
| 20:26.04 | Tupone | hi |
| 20:26.23 | srowe | Just fired 2.0.4 for the first time |
| 20:26.30 | srowe | Does it look good |
| 20:26.56 | Tupone | from 2.0.2 ? |
| 20:27.03 | srowe | Yep |
| 20:27.31 | Tupone | you are on windows? |
| 20:27.40 | srowe | Nope, Linux |
| 20:28.01 | Tupone | what distro ? |
| 20:28.08 | srowe | Mandrake 10.1 |
| 20:28.40 | Tupone | so ... no problem at all ? |
| 20:28.53 | srowe | Not yet |
| 20:29.00 | srowe | People having problems? |
| 20:29.17 | Tupone | well some ... mostly on windows |
| 20:29.38 | srowe | Ah, that's the problem ;-) |
| 20:30.35 | srowe | BFlag doesn't look too hot with a 3dfx card though |
| 20:30.41 | srowe | Fonts are terrible |
| 20:30.52 | Tupone | you can resize |
| 20:30.58 | Tupone | and use profont |
| 20:31.08 | JeffM2501 | people still have 3dfx cards? |
| 20:31.15 | srowe | Yep! |
| 20:31.22 | JeffM2501 | good lord why? |
| 20:31.29 | srowe | In a dinosaur of a PII! |
| 20:31.36 | jpa- | because jpa- got the last TNT2? |
| 20:31.38 | ToughShooter | Profont looks rather ugly with the bzflag font renderer :/ |
| 20:31.43 | srowe | Games ok except for the fonts |
| 20:31.54 | JeffM2501 | there is a way to turn on bitmap fonts |
| 20:31.58 | JeffM2501 | the voodoo is it? |
| 20:32.07 | srowe | Voodoo3 |
| 20:32.11 | JeffM2501 | ugg |
| 20:32.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah blend modes are not it's friend |
| 20:32.38 | ToughShooter | but fonts really do have slight problems on the 'i's on all my machine when using high font sizes |
| 20:32.53 | srowe | Anything I can do to improve them? |
| 20:33.08 | ToughShooter | the 'i's have two dots on top of it instead of one |
| 20:33.18 | Tupone | srowe: except buying a 30 $ board? |
| 20:33.26 | JeffM2501 | there should be a config mode to set bitmap fonts |
| 20:33.36 | JeffM2501 | same thing software uses |
| 20:33.49 | srowe | The dino won't take a nvidia card, tried that |
| 20:33.49 | JeffM2501 | or yeah go spend 30 on a real card :) |
| 20:34.06 | srowe | The 3dfx is an improvement on the ATI crock that was in it... |
| 20:34.29 | JeffM2501 | the only ATI it may be better then is a rag 128 |
| 20:35.06 | srowe | The Linux ATI drivers for pre-Radion blow goats |
| 20:35.12 | JeffM2501 | put this in your config |
| 20:35.15 | JeffM2501 | set useBitmapFontRenderer 1 |
| 20:35.23 | srowe | Thanks! |
| 20:35.24 | JeffM2501 | and give it a shot |
| 20:35.31 | srowe | I'll give it a go |
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| 20:36.11 | jpa- | mm.. yummy |
| 20:36.19 | yummy | heh |
| 20:38.33 | Tupone | JeffM2501: when you have some spare time, could you build? I'm removing a lot of include, and making static what I can. Mine compile, but dunno others |
| 20:39.29 | JeffM2501 | updating now |
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| 20:41.35 | trepan | JeffM2501: if you're going to make a b3 ot of it, could you until tonight? |
| 20:43.06 | JeffM2501 | wasn't planing on a b3 |
| 20:43.12 | JeffM2501 | so sure :) |
| 20:43.20 | JeffM2501 | just making sure the stuff still builds for tuppy |
| 20:43.35 | JeffM2501 | no errors yet |
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| 20:44.46 | JeffM2501 | there are the errors |
| 20:44.48 | JeffM2501 | hudrenderer |
| 20:44.51 | JeffM2501 | time not found |
| 20:45.05 | srowe | Bye |
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| 20:45.32 | Tupone | ahh #include <time.h> ? |
| 20:45.46 | JeffM2501 | try that when it's done |
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| 20:46.38 | Pimpi | coincoin had problems with 2.0.4 on linux, he couldn't access the listserver. if he run 2.0.2 in advance (which worked) also 2.0.4 worked. a currend cvs build i made for him didn't even wirk using that trick. |
| 20:46.53 | Pimpi | system is debian testing |
| 20:46.59 | Pimpi | any ideas? |
| 20:47.16 | JeffM2501 | difrent lib curls |
| 20:47.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: Missing time.h |
| 20:49.05 | Pimpi | what has changed in libcurl lately, that could cause this bevaviour |
| 20:49.21 | JeffM2501 | probably the change to gcc4 |
| 20:49.22 | Pimpi | and why would 204 work if 202 ran before |
| 20:49.26 | JeffM2501 | he may have more the one libcurls |
| 20:49.36 | JeffM2501 | one linked to gcc3 and the new to 4 |
| 20:49.38 | Pimpi | maybe |
| 20:49.44 | JeffM2501 | 202 would load the old lib |
| 20:49.54 | JeffM2501 | 204 tried to load new lib and geeked |
| 20:50.05 | Tupone | 202 used an old way (easy) that does not handle the select |
| 20:50.06 | JeffM2501 | old lib stayed in mem after 2.0.2 was loaded |
| 20:50.33 | JeffM2501 | bzflag error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "private: static class Roaming * Singleton<class Roaming>::_instance" (?_instance@?$Singleton@VRoaming@@@@0PAVRoaming@@A) |
| 20:50.44 | Pimpi | oh, 204 doesn't use the easy mode no more? |
| 20:50.53 | JeffM2501 | not the same way |
| 20:50.59 | JeffM2501 | new uses the mutlihandle way |
| 20:51.02 | JeffM2501 | to be async |
| 20:51.45 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I dont know what error is :( |
| 20:51.59 | JeffM2501 | it can't find the roaming class |
| 20:52.03 | JeffM2501 | am I missing a file? |
| 20:52.15 | Tupone | I added some .h |
| 20:52.20 | Tupone | but no class |
| 20:52.27 | JeffM2501 | it's a link error |
| 20:52.30 | JeffM2501 | not a compile error |
| 20:52.36 | Tupone | I see :/ |
| 20:52.42 | JeffM2501 | where is the implementation of the 'roaming' class? |
| 20:52.48 | Pimpi | what could i tell coincoin to solve the bug? |
| 20:52.49 | trepan | src/bzflag |
| 20:52.49 | Tupone | Roaming.cxx |
| 20:54.01 | JeffM2501 | looks like it wasn't in the project |
| 20:54.05 | JeffM2501 | all good now :) |
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| 20:55.00 | JeffM2501 | wrong X |
| 20:55.02 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 20:55.06 | Tupone | lol |
| 20:55.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.vcproj: add in roaming.cxx |
| 20:57.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, it works fine now |
| 20:57.14 | Tupone | good :) |
| 20:57.20 | Tupone | so I can continue :) |
| 20:57.38 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your boat big guy |
| 20:58.02 | Tupone | well, just cleaning ... waiting for brunch |
| 20:58.16 | Tupone | hmmm I mean branch, but too hungry |
| 20:58.18 | JeffM2501 | isn't it a bit late for brunch? |
| 20:58.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:58.27 | JeffM2501 | so tag it |
| 20:58.32 | JeffM2501 | and go |
| 21:04.17 | Tupone | Pimpi: what libcurl he uses? libcurl3 ? |
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| 21:13.00 | Pimpi | Tupone: etch is libcurl3, yeah |
| 21:13.38 | Tupone | so .. it should work AFAIK :/ |
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| 21:23.14 | RPG_ | ping trepan |
| 21:24.47 | RPG_ | ~seen trepan |
| 21:24.50 | ibot | trepan is currently on #bzflag (8h 36m 5s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 32m 1s |
| 21:25.40 | trepan | ? |
| 21:26.07 | RPG_ | I'm on FD4_64, if you want me to join your server for you to see the problem of me not being able to shoot |
| 21:26.11 | RPG_ | *FC4 |
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| 21:27.32 | trepan | trepan.homelinux.net:5154 , recording is on ;) |
| 21:27.45 | RPG_ | i'll be there |
| 21:27.47 | TD-Linux_ | hmmm..... came just in time :) |
| 21:31.12 | trepan | RPG [2] shot lifetime mismatch 0.000000 3.500000 |
| 21:33.28 | RPG_ | also: |
| 21:33.28 | RPG_ | Couldn't open audio: No available audio device |
| 21:33.28 | RPG_ | but that's probably my falut |
| 21:34.43 | Tupone | RPG_: alsa or OSS ? |
| 21:35.03 | trepan | RPG_: can you join again and see what your _reloadTime var is? |
| 21:35.26 | RPG_ | alsa |
| 21:35.29 | RPG_ | ok |
| 21:35.42 | TD-Linux_ | mine = 3.5 |
| 21:36.23 | RPG_ | 3.5 |
| 21:39.19 | RPG_ | is there any more testing you need? i'm going to go back to windows now |
| 21:41.08 | trepan | na, good enough for now, thx |
| 21:41.52 | TD-Linux_ | sorry about bothering you trepan, but I looooovvvvvveeeeee taking things out of context |
| 21:42.02 | Tupone | MeshObstacle.cxx: In member function `virtual void MeshObstacle::print(std::ostream&, const std::string&) const': |
| 21:42.03 | Tupone | ../../../bzflag/src/obstacle/MeshObstacle.cxx:934: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size |
| 21:42.40 | TD-Linux_ | that's just a warning... dosen't it compile anyway? |
| 21:42.55 | Tupone | TD-Linux: that is not for you :) |
| 21:42.58 | trepan | TD-Linux_: hush, you're being a nuissance |
| 21:43.19 | trepan | works for me |
| 21:43.26 | Tupone | that is 64 bit |
| 21:43.29 | trepan | Tupone: i'll mod it to use the mesh object ids |
| 21:43.53 | trepan | ... or you can, if you're in a rush |
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| 21:44.19 | Tupone | nope, just trying to help for 64 bit ... I'm still fighting with include |
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| 22:00.08 | SilentSwan | anyone ever seen this before: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 25 00:53:28 2029 |
| 22:02.09 | BenUrban | SilentSwan: check your computer's date |
| 22:02.17 | SilentSwan | it's correct |
| 22:02.25 | BenUrban | was it correct the last time you used sudo? |
| 22:02.34 | SilentSwan | yes |
| 22:02.39 | SilentSwan | it's been set since install |
| 22:02.47 | BenUrban | dunno then |
| 22:02.54 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 22:02.58 | BenUrban | try sudo -k |
| 22:03.02 | RPG_ | Y2K! |
| 22:04.01 | SilentSwan | thanks |
| 22:04.03 | SilentSwan | too late |
| 22:04.04 | RPG_ | ~spell convertor |
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| 22:57.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (33 files): - include + static |
| 23:13.18 | TD-Linux | can physics drivers work on the bottom of objects? |
| 23:13.32 | RPG_ | they can work on any face |
| 23:13.52 | trepan | but only take affect on those that you can land one |
| 23:13.55 | trepan | s/one/on |
| 23:14.40 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 23:14.47 | TD-Linux | I was hoping for a hang glider :/ |
| 23:15.03 | TD-Linux | suppose I could make a clear one underneath |
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| 23:25.53 | TD-Linux | what is the default size of a meshbox? |
| 23:29.02 | trepan | same as that of a box |
| 23:30.07 | TD-Linux | hmm... but when I scale it, it gets more than double the size of a mesh scaled the same |
| 23:30.37 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.37 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.16 | TD-Linux | wow, 30??? |
| 23:31.18 | TD-Linux | no wonder |
| 23:31.31 | TD-Linux | I was always thinking 2x2x2 :P |
| 23:33.02 | TD-Linux | my physics driver isn't working on a mesh |
| 23:33.23 | TD-Linux | *on a mesh in a group |
| 23:35.04 | TD-Linux | wow... I'm full of questions, and almost all are solved by myself :P |
| 23:47.11 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you should think about it a little more before you ask then :) |
| 23:50.51 | trepan | that's just crazy talk |
| 23:54.46 | JeffM2501 | I like to live on the verge |
| 23:55.47 | TD-Linux | anyone want a round of fix-my-mesh? ;) |
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| 23:56.08 | TD-Linux | I already fixed it myself ;) |
| 23:56.25 | TD-Linux | scaling by 0 dosen't work ;) |
| 23:58.37 | TD-Linux | I made a monorail mesh - a mesh that is a long piece of track, that you can drive freely on, but only on one axis |
