| 00:00.07 | JeffM2501 | menotume, whsat? |
| 00:00.48 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't use SDL |
| 00:05.58 | JeffM2501 | did he just want a double click thingy that can pass command line params to the client? |
| 00:09.12 | JeffM2501 | trepan do you normalise mesh normals on read? |
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| 00:15.59 | cody6375 | good evening people I have a question to ask |
| 00:16.01 | cody6375 | ? |
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| 00:24.16 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: i guess you can delete "The Mappers" forum in BZBB, we all seem to have deserted it |
| 00:24.40 | cody6375 | could someone please tell meat software to use to make bzflag maps? |
| 00:25.00 | RPG_ | A text editor and the BZFlag clietn will do |
| 00:25.15 | cody6375 | is there another way ? |
| 00:25.17 | RPG_ | yes |
| 00:25.17 | JeffM2501 | depends on your OS |
| 00:25.19 | RPG_ | BZEdit |
| 00:25.24 | RPG_ | or a 3D modeler |
| 00:25.29 | JeffM2501 | but at some point, yes it comes down to text editing |
| 00:25.32 | cody6375 | I have windows |
| 00:25.34 | JeffM2501 | even if you use an editor |
| 00:25.38 | JeffM2501 | there is a windows bzedit |
| 00:25.47 | JeffM2501 | but it does not have all the 2.0+ features |
| 00:25.48 | cody6375 | cool thanks |
| 00:25.54 | cody6375 | ok |
| 00:26.02 | JeffM2501 | you can also make meshes in various 3d modelers |
| 00:26.05 | JeffM2501 | and convert them |
| 00:26.17 | JeffM2501 | but in the end, you merge the files with text editor |
| 00:26.22 | JeffM2501 | as there are some features that no editor has |
| 00:26.29 | JeffM2501 | like physics drivers |
| 00:26.45 | cody6375 | okay cool thanks |
| 00:40.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/vc71/ (modeltool.sln modeltool.vcproj): model tool needs regex now, since text utils needs regex |
| 00:41.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: normalise lighting normals before we write them ( since many apps seem to suck ) |
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| 00:45.07 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, the forum is gone |
| 00:45.17 | RPG_ | okey doke |
| 00:46.17 | JeffM2501 | and what is it today with people posting screenshots for things that just need the freaking text file they are using? |
| 00:46.33 | RPG_ | n00bie ignorance? |
| 00:47.00 | RPG_ | That batch thing WinXP posted about, he posted the EXACT SAME THING a month ago. |
| 00:47.08 | RPG_ | and I gave him the same answer as I did before |
| 00:47.30 | JeffM2501 | they arn't noobs |
| 00:56.17 | bzflagwiz | JeffM, are you the webmaster for the my.bzflag.org site? Specifically the one that maintains httpd.conf? |
| 00:57.19 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ping re: plugins |
| 00:57.33 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 00:57.43 | DTRemenak | ! |
| 00:58.02 | JeffM2501 | & |
| 00:58.12 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: hi :) the bz_ePlayerJoinEvent and bz_ePlayerPartEvent events seem to get triggered for non players and observers |
| 00:58.23 | JeffM2501 | what version are you using |
| 00:58.28 | Thumper_ | is this intended behaviour? and shoudl there always be a 1-1 relationship between joins and parts? |
| 00:58.34 | JeffM2501 | what version are you using |
| 00:58.34 | Thumper_ | cvs |
| 00:58.38 | Thumper_ | from a few days ago |
| 00:58.44 | JeffM2501 | it should only be triggerd on a real player join |
| 00:58.48 | JeffM2501 | there were some bugs |
| 00:58.52 | JeffM2501 | but they should be fixed |
| 00:58.55 | Thumper_ | ok thx |
| 00:59.00 | JeffM2501 | it was geting hit for list server checks |
| 00:59.03 | Thumper_ | I'll get current code and try again |
| 00:59.13 | JeffM2501 | it may need more checks, it hasn't been tested right |
| 00:59.13 | Thumper_ | I was getting rogue connections with empty callsign |
| 00:59.17 | Thumper_ | and parts but no joins |
| 00:59.23 | JeffM2501 | that would be the list server then |
| 00:59.31 | JeffM2501 | probably need to check callsign too |
| 00:59.36 | Thumper_ | yes I do (now) |
| 00:59.39 | JeffM2501 | the intent is only for real players |
| 00:59.48 | Thumper_ | but it still didn't work right |
| 00:59.50 | JeffM2501 | no bzfs needs to check callsign |
| 00:59.59 | Thumper_ | thx - that is what I was hoping it was going to be |
| 01:00.02 | Thumper_ | only players and observers |
| 01:00.12 | Thumper_ | for now using -g instead of the plugin to shutdown bz |
| 01:00.20 | Thumper_ | since my player counter is borked |
| 01:00.31 | Thumper_ | and it shuts down the server with people on it :/ |
| 01:00.54 | Thumper_ | I'll update and try again - will bug you if it still does weird unexplained stuff ;) |
| 01:01.00 | Thumper_ | assuming you don't mind :D |
| 01:01.01 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:01.15 | JeffM2501 | meno may have some fixes to it he hasn't commited yet |
| 01:02.45 | JeffM2501 | brlcad any reason you swaped us back to apache 1.x from 2 when you changed those limits? |
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| 02:00.09 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery 66.130.60.190:80 |
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| 02:07.22 | sgk284 | so i think that the way TKs are currently dealt with are unnecessarily harsh to noobs who may accidentally TK too much when they are learning, but not necessarily being detrimental to the team. As a result, i propose a slight variation to the current system whereby when you are TKed a message pops up saying something to the effect of "<Callsign> TKed you, would you like to file a complaint? F1 for yes, F2 for no" . If that complaint numbe reaches a |
| 02:07.22 | sgk284 | certain threshold then they are kicked. |
| 02:07.49 | sgk284 | It kinf of helps sort malicious TKs from unintentional TKs, like a self administrating system |
| 02:08.03 | sgk284 | what do folks think? |
| 02:08.13 | RPG_ | I think it'd be a tadd to much to add to the code |
| 02:08.16 | RPG_ | but may pay off |
| 02:08.28 | sgk284 | nah, the current vote system would just have to be modified a bit |
| 02:08.36 | sgk284 | :) |
| 02:08.40 | sgk284 | in theory:) |
| 02:09.07 | orange | sgk284: it's an interesting idea... |
| 02:09.19 | orange | but I'll be honest, I see people complain about noob's all the time. |
| 02:09.28 | orange | people are harsher than the computer is |
| 02:09.44 | sgk284 | heh thats certainly something to take into consideration |
| 02:10.57 | sgk284 | but typically if you kill a teammate and immediately say "sorry' or something like that you usually get a "np" type response, in which case that person would likely vote no, and as a result not makign you closer to being kicked |
| 02:11.32 | sgk284 | i mean its not that big of an issue, but just something that i figured i'd toss out there |
| 02:12.01 | sgk284 | its almost like a karma system, or well more like a small subset of a karma system |
| 02:12.18 | sgk284 | applied to one very speicifc purpose:) |
| 02:20.35 | orange | mini-karma |
| 02:22.27 | sgk284 | yea :) |
| 02:27.48 | bzflagwiz | sgk284 - what about automatically discounting the TK if the victim says NP or NO PROBLEM? Server option of course. |
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| 02:39.11 | aaronf0 | im checking out the cvs, do i only need moduls bzflag? |
| 02:39.22 | RPG_ | yes |
| 02:40.06 | aaronf0 | any paticular reason for building outside the source directory? |
| 02:40.43 | sgk284 | bzflagwiz, thatd actually simplify it quite a bit :) |
| 02:41.44 | aaronf0 | talkative in here? |
| 02:42.22 | sgk284 | depends what time you come in :) |
| 02:42.55 | wegstar | ;) |
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| 02:43.31 | aaronf0 | its only 22:45 est... |
| 02:43.36 | aaronf0 | more people should be on |
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| 02:44.57 | wegstar | 7:45pm PST here |
| 02:45.41 | Orby | hi, i got a bit of a problem, i'm hosting a bzflag server on my linux box people on the internet can join, but i cant join... everytime i try i get a message on the server saying "got bad status from resolver: No such domain" |
| 02:46.52 | aaronf0 | do many people use this on linux? |
| 02:47.20 | aaronf0 | this seems more of a linux game, but i only ever see windows people on the main servers... |
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| 02:48.04 | Orby_ | aaronf0: i play it from linux and host it on linux as well |
| 02:48.13 | aaronf0 | i noticed |
| 02:48.22 | aaronf0 | dont know how this has changed in the last year |
| 02:48.40 | Orby_ | i just want to play on my own server :( |
| 02:48.52 | aaronf0 | switched to xorg 7 cause my 3d wasnt working, and there 3d wasnt working either |
| 02:49.01 | aaronf0 | now it works, and kicks alot of ass too |
| 02:49.12 | aaronf0 | so i can start playing bzflag again |
| 02:50.32 | aaronf0 | cant really help you with your problem |
| 02:50.52 | aaronf0 | but id say you should connect with your ip instead of domain name? |
| 02:50.58 | Orby_ | tried :( |
| 02:51.00 | Orby_ | same thing.. |
| 02:51.11 | aaronf0 | or your ip <-> domain name thing isnt set up right |
| 02:51.19 | Orby_ | tried lan ip, wan ip, domain name |
| 02:51.34 | Orby_ | hmmm |
| 02:57.43 | Orby_ | i think you might be right... none of my domain is working... |
| 02:58.05 | aaronf0 | i am always right |
| 02:58.12 | Orby_ | hah :) |
| 03:02.08 | trepan | JeffM2501: dunno, mostly i seem to enjoy rum-and-cokes |
| 03:03.08 | Orby_ | well sorted domain name out and it still does it :/ |
| 03:05.32 | JeffM2501 | trepan, ? |
| 03:07.00 | trepan | ah, from 3 hours ago ;) |
| 03:07.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:07.40 | JeffM2501 | oh the normal thing |
| 03:08.07 | aaronf0 | http://www.qdb.us/49278 |
| 03:08.12 | trepan | ya, dumbass has a lousy converter |
| 03:08.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:08.20 | JeffM2501 | the normals were horible |
| 03:08.26 | JeffM2501 | tho now model tool normalises |
| 03:08.28 | trepan | that his bro made, for .x ;) |
| 03:08.31 | JeffM2501 | so with your export feature |
| 03:08.36 | JeffM2501 | and it, you can fix em easy now |
| 03:09.29 | JeffM2501 | I looked at the gsl thing too |
| 03:09.43 | JeffM2501 | man how crapy an interface can one app have? |
| 03:10.18 | JeffM2501 | it's an option isn't it? |
| 03:10.50 | trepan | don't think so, but then again, i just smacked my head against a wall inadvertantly |
| 03:11.31 | JeffM2501 | I just got sick of tellin em to fix it :) |
| 03:11.35 | trepan | heh, apparently "inadvertently" |
| 03:12.05 | trepan | Allied isn't worth helping =) |
| 03:12.28 | JeffM2501 | he ain't bright |
| 03:12.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing he's a kid |
| 03:12.40 | JeffM2501 | like winxp |
| 03:13.05 | JeffM2501 | the normal thing was a 2 line change so I didn't mind |
| 03:22.20 | aaronf0 | whats wrong with being a kid? |
| 03:23.11 | JeffM2501 | nothing |
| 03:23.15 | JeffM2501 | everyone is one at some point |
| 03:23.29 | JeffM2501 | they just don't allways think things thru all the way sometimes |
| 03:23.49 | aaronf0 | i think the term then would be 'dumbass'? |
| 03:23.52 | JeffM2501 | or listen to the full solution before they try to fix a problem :) |
| 03:24.00 | JeffM2501 | depends on the kid |
| 03:24.06 | aaronf0 | you dont do that either? |
| 03:24.21 | JeffM2501 | older people do it less usualy |
| 03:24.22 | aaronf0 | seems like most people tend to try to fix the problem, then listen ot the full solution |
| 03:24.51 | JeffM2501 | younger people will often jump furhter ahead |
| 03:24.54 | JeffM2501 | or take the wrong path |
| 03:25.09 | JeffM2501 | they are just more implusive on average |
| 03:25.12 | JeffM2501 | thats all |
| 03:25.14 | JeffM2501 | they learn |
| 03:25.16 | JeffM2501 | they grow |
| 03:25.26 | bryjen | and/or impatient |
| 03:25.57 | JeffM2501 | many of them are not stupid, not by a long shot |
| 03:26.01 | JeffM2501 | they just don't try |
| 03:26.10 | JeffM2501 | or expect the answer to be spoon feed to them |
| 03:26.31 | aaronf0 | hrm, woulnd say thats kids, just this generation of assholes... |
| 03:26.45 | aaronf0 | unless it was always like that? |
| 03:26.46 | JeffM2501 | please watch your language |
| 03:27.03 | JeffM2501 | the education system now has less emphasis on research |
| 03:27.08 | JeffM2501 | I belive that is somewhat to blam |
| 03:27.12 | JeffM2501 | and homeschool |
| 03:27.39 | bryjen | none of these things are exclusive to kids, but the ones we see here tend to be young |
| 03:27.52 | aaronf0 | yes, seems to happen to all good games |
| 03:27.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah I've seen adults do all that too |
| 03:28.11 | aaronf0 | although the ones ive seen in some 2d rpgs are a bit more mature |
| 03:28.17 | JeffM2501 | i_died_once often acts like them too |
| 03:28.25 | aaronf0 | while you get less mature ones in #xfce... |
| 03:28.32 | aaronf0 | not kids, adults |
| 03:29.46 | JeffM2501 | some comunittys are have difrent levels of mentality |
| 03:30.38 | aaronf0 | heh |
| 03:31.02 | aaronf0 | dont really respect the younger generation of fps players |
| 03:31.07 | aaronf0 | even though im part of it... |
| 03:31.08 | aaronf0 | sad |
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| 07:18.07 | sniperyyd | cbg is there |
| 07:18.08 | sniperyyd | ? |
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| 15:29.10 | sniperyyd | hi ToughShooter , can u try my server? |
| 15:29.19 | sniperyyd | ~bzfquery cristi.brite.ro:5154 |
| 15:29.34 | sniperyyd | :) |
| 15:30.30 | sniperyyd | ~bzfquery cristi.brite.ro:5154 |
| 15:32.20 | ToughShooter | sniperyyd: If you want some map feedback why don't posting on bzbb? |
| 15:32.36 | sniperyyd | ToughShooter: where? |
| 15:32.38 | sniperyyd | btw, |
| 15:32.39 | sniperyyd | its not my map |
| 15:32.47 | sniperyyd | its sid6.7's map |
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| 16:12.58 | aaronf0 | after you run make on the source, where do the binaries go? |
| 16:13.07 | aaronf0 | before the make install |
| 16:13.27 | ToughShooter | well, search for bzflag, bzadmin and bzfs |
| 16:14.11 | JeffM2501 | they are in the src/bzflag src/bzadmin and src/bzfs dirs |
| 16:14.24 | aaronf0 | thanks |
| 16:14.49 | JeffM2501 | if you are on 'nix an do a make intsall, it will put them in the usr places for a nomral install |
| 16:15.25 | aaronf0 | i know that part |
| 16:15.27 | aaronf0 | :D |
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| 16:16.18 | meacan | how is kill-ratio calculated? |
| 16:16.37 | meacan | tk/kills? |
| 16:16.40 | ToughShooter | file will come in handy if you want to know what kind of file you have |
| 16:16.51 | aaronf0 | hrm, should i de-install the distros packages? |
| 16:17.25 | JeffM2501 | meacan, (kills-tks)/deaths IIRC |
| 16:17.47 | meacan | ah, thanks |
| 16:18.45 | BearPerson | TK ratio is TK/kills |
| 16:19.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:19.06 | JeffM2501 | that's the tk ratio tho :) |
| 16:20.56 | JeffM2501 | he said kill ratio not tk ratio |
| 16:23.31 | BearPerson | s/\(.*\) is \(.*\)/\2 is \1/ ;-) |
| 16:24.43 | JeffM2501 | umm ok, what ever that means |
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| 16:33.36 | ep | Hi all, the ubuntu breezy package is borked -- so i'm compiling my own. I'm a little rusty, here's the output from configure: |
| 16:33.50 | ep | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/25676 What's it telling me? |
| 16:36.32 | JeffM2501 | you need the SDL dev package |
| 16:36.53 | ep | ok i'll search for that |
| 16:40.34 | ep | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.05 | JeffM2501 | I don't recall it having the gfx in it |
| 16:41.09 | JeffM2501 | but yeah that could be it |
| 16:41.15 | JeffM2501 | is that the only one with dev in it? |
| 16:42.41 | ep | no theres several libsdl-console-dev for instance |
| 16:42.52 | ep | i'll google for specfics |
| 16:43.11 | JeffM2501 | usualy there is one core one |
| 16:43.21 | JeffM2501 | but sure try the gfx one and see :) |
| 16:43.52 | ep | ah the list is long, its probably libsdl1.2-dev |
| 16:43.55 | ep | :-) |
| 16:44.04 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:44.08 | JeffM2501 | that would be it |
| 17:19.02 | *** join/#bzflag dede (n=52b582c1@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:36.38 | *** join/#bzflag aaronf0 (n=aaron@nj-71-0-102-105.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 17:43.39 | *** join/#bzflag allied (n=Allied@host-84-9-173-180.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 17:55.57 | *** join/#bzflag allied (n=Allied@host-84-9-173-180.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 17:56.01 | allied | hi |
| 17:56.21 | allied | what dooes ache ocs mean |
| 17:58.29 | *** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 17:58.46 | allied | i can't join servers its saying refused |
| 17:59.15 | JeffM2501 | where does it say that? |
| 18:00.39 | *** join/#bzflag kahcepb[RU] (n=den@62.117.95.92) |
| 18:02.51 | *** join/#bzflag allied1 (n=Allied@host-84-9-172-104.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 18:02.54 | allied1 | i |
| 18:02.55 | allied1 | hi |
| 18:03.17 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 18:03.28 | allied1 | i can't join servers its saying *aches ocs* and *guy with a problem-using dny* |
| 18:03.41 | JeffM2501 | where does it say that? |
| 18:03.48 | allied1 | in the game console |
| 18:03.53 | allied1 | when i try to join |
| 18:04.07 | JeffM2501 | what server? |
| 18:04.10 | allied1 | any |
| 18:04.25 | JeffM2501 | the game actualy says "a guy" ? |
| 18:04.26 | allied1 | its not letting me join |
| 18:04.31 | allied1 | yea |
| 18:04.52 | allied1 | refused:guy with a problem |
| 18:04.52 | JeffM2501 | let me check the code, but I don't think that exists as an error message |
| 18:05.09 | allied1 | i could play last night |
| 18:05.16 | allied1 | and i coulded today |
| 18:05.23 | JeffM2501 | did you change anything? |
| 18:05.28 | allied1 | no |
| 18:05.52 | JeffM2501 | that error string isn't in the code anywhere |
| 18:05.56 | JeffM2501 | what version are you using? |
| 18:05.59 | allied1 | who is *toaster* |
| 18:06.05 | JeffM2501 | a plaer |
| 18:06.07 | JeffM2501 | player |
| 18:06.23 | allied1 | it says his name |
| 18:06.43 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like you have some wierd problems |
| 18:06.51 | JeffM2501 | what version? |
| 18:06.55 | allied1 | i'v tryed to reinstall |
| 18:07.29 | *** join/#bzflag Alex135 (n=8fcf0804@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:07.32 | allied1 | 2.0.4 |
| 18:07.44 | Alex135 | hi |
| 18:07.49 | Alex135 | i need some help |
| 18:07.54 | JeffM2501 | cold be a problem on your ISP side, or something with your OS |
| 18:07.57 | JeffM2501 | hard to say |
| 18:08.00 | allied1 | hmm |
| 18:08.07 | JeffM2501 | what do you need help with Alex135 ? |
| 18:08.27 | Alex135 | i am trying to host my server on a all txt based remote computer |
| 18:08.39 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 18:08.44 | JeffM2501 | like linux? |
| 18:08.47 | Alex135 | it is on a linux |
| 18:08.50 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:08.50 | _Manu_ | Alex135, how again |
| 18:09.02 | allied1 | JeffM2501:aches ocs what does that mean? |
| 18:09.02 | _Manu_ | Alex135, mean hello again :) |
| 18:09.29 | Alex135 | wops |
| 18:09.33 | JeffM2501 | allied1 I dont know, it's not one of our error messages |
| 18:09.40 | Alex135 | hi |
| 18:09.46 | allied1 | ooo |
| 18:09.47 | Alex135 | how do i pm? |
| 18:10.01 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, /msg THEPERSON some message |
| 18:10.07 | Alex135 | ok |
| 18:10.29 | JeffM2501 | allied1 I don't think your problem is with the game itself, but with your system |
| 18:10.39 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on allied1? |
| 18:11.20 | _Manu_ | Alex135, probably is a good idea to visit this link: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ ;) |
| 18:12.00 | JeffM2501 | as well as http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 18:12.17 | Alex135 | i am just so fed up with this computer |
| 18:12.45 | Alex135 | i cant git it to work at all except for on a server that nobody be my famly can conect to |
| 18:12.49 | JeffM2501 | if you arn't familiar with it, linux can be rather frustraiting |
| 18:12.57 | Alex135 | i know |
| 18:12.59 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, are you behind a router? |
| 18:13.01 | Thumper_ | hey jeff - is there a good way to debug plugins? (as in a debugger) |
| 18:13.15 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, umm yeah debug them with a debuger |
| 18:13.18 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 18:13.21 | Alex135 | i am kinda puddying to a computer that i can host off of |
| 18:13.31 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, what are you deving in? |
| 18:13.32 | wizatcomputer | um, putty |
| 18:13.34 | wizatcomputer | ? |
| 18:13.39 | Alex135 | ya |
| 18:13.41 | wizatcomputer | ok |
| 18:13.43 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, are you behind a router? |
| 18:13.52 | Thumper_ | the plugin makefile (template) doesn't have any 'build with debug' configuration does it? |
| 18:13.59 | Alex135 | yes but it is un bocked for my port |
| 18:13.59 | Thumper_ | from the sample plugin |
| 18:14.03 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, probably not, |
| 18:14.16 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, you need to do more then unblock, you need to have it route from WAN to LAN |
| 18:14.23 | JeffM2501 | the block is probably just for OUT |
| 18:14.24 | JeffM2501 | not in |
| 18:14.35 | Alex135 | well |
| 18:14.39 | Thumper_ | and if hte plugin is loaded... can gdb handle breakpoints in it etc? (I've never done anything liek that in a loadable module before) |
| 18:14.44 | Thumper_ | debuggin bzfs I can do... |
| 18:14.53 | Alex135 | the thing is my isp is to sicure and i cant have anybody conect to my comp |
| 18:14.54 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, in windows, you can just debug right from the plugin project, and tell it to run bzfs as the exe, then step thru the plugin as you can with any app |
| 18:15.02 | Alex135 | so i have ben working on a salution |
| 18:15.10 | BenUrban | ... |
| 18:15.10 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 18:15.13 | _Manu_ | Alex135, are you connected to a router? |
| 18:15.13 | BenUrban | hello there |
| 18:15.17 | Alex135 | ya |
| 18:15.22 | Thumper_ | my bzfs cvs built servers with plugins are crashing and generating core files :/ |
| 18:15.32 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, I don't know how gdb handles ataching to another module |
| 18:15.48 | Alex135 | yes im behind a router |
| 18:15.54 | _Manu_ | then you must create a route from your route to your box.. por 5154 for example.. boths udp and tcp |
| 18:15.58 | JeffM2501 | you just have to set up a static route |
| 18:16.00 | Thumper_ | me either.... I'll just have to try it :) |
| 18:16.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah what he said |
| 18:16.09 | _Manu_ | you must add a NAT entry |
| 18:16.16 | Alex135 | i have |
| 18:16.22 | Alex135 | i have done evrything |
| 18:16.26 | JeffM2501 | has your ISP put you behind another nat? |
| 18:16.27 | _Manu_ | and you do you defined it? |
| 18:16.37 | JeffM2501 | some do |
| 18:16.42 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (n=lyra@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 18:16.55 | Tegan | hi |
| 18:17.02 | wizatcomputer | hi |
| 18:17.06 | Alex135 | i have ben up all night trying to git the server to work on public |
| 18:17.08 | Birdie | hey tegan |
| 18:17.31 | BenUrban | you keep triggering my hilight |
| 18:17.32 | Alex135 | look i am jsut wondering how to work a txt based virsion of linux |
| 18:17.43 | _Manu_ | are you running the server? give me the ip and port |
| 18:17.46 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, who's fualt is that? |
| 18:17.57 | Alex135 | ok hold on let me start up the server |
| 18:18.05 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, same way you do on any OS |
| 18:18.10 | JeffM2501 | read the post on the forums |
| 18:18.16 | JeffM2501 | it tells you how to start a server via command line |
| 18:18.19 | BenUrban | Alex135: text based linux? been there, done that |
| 18:18.20 | JeffM2501 | and what options to make it public |
| 18:18.22 | BenUrban | not very different |
| 18:18.28 | Alex135 | u have? |
| 18:18.32 | BenUrban | not bzflag |
| 18:18.39 | Alex135 | ok server is up 143.207.200.63 |
| 18:18.45 | Alex135 | port 5154 |
| 18:18.51 | _Manu_ | ok let's see |
| 18:18.52 | BenUrban | but i have run linux without x before |
| 18:19.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah your not publicly routeable |
| 18:19.31 | Alex135 | me? |
| 18:19.33 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:19.40 | _Manu_ | I mean your external ip |
| 18:19.42 | Alex135 | ya i know |
| 18:19.44 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing you can do to make it public untill you fix that |
| 18:19.50 | JeffM2501 | what router do you have? |
| 18:20.00 | Alex135 | i know but i cant do squat to change nothen |
| 18:20.07 | Alex135 | u see my problum? |
| 18:20.08 | JeffM2501 | let us help you |
| 18:20.11 | JeffM2501 | what router do you have? |
| 18:20.20 | Alex135 | no no no it is not that it is my isp |
| 18:20.30 | JeffM2501 | who is your iSP? |
| 18:20.35 | Alex135 | they wont open up didly squat |
| 18:20.40 | Alex135 | ANdrews university |
| 18:20.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:20.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah your screwed |
| 18:20.46 | Alex135 | yup |
| 18:20.50 | JeffM2501 | no listen |
| 18:20.51 | Alex135 | i know |
| 18:21.00 | JeffM2501 | there isn't a way for you to do anything to make it work then |
| 18:21.06 | Alex135 | i know |
| 18:21.18 | JeffM2501 | then what's all this "text version" talk then? |
| 18:21.26 | Alex135 | that is why i am trying to pudy into a computer that has a dif isp and hsot it off of that |
| 18:21.28 | JeffM2501 | if your blocked, it dosnt' mater what OS you run it on |
| 18:21.30 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:21.31 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:21.35 | Alex135 | i am on a winxp right now |
| 18:21.39 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mater |
| 18:21.49 | JeffM2501 | what is the IP of the linux server? |
| 18:21.53 | wizatcomputer | Alex135: it's "putty", not "pudy" |
| 18:21.57 | Alex135 | umm hold on |
| 18:22.05 | Alex135 | 205.231.94.184 |
| 18:22.09 | JeffM2501 | your IP dosn't mater if your not running it on your computer |
| 18:22.16 | JeffM2501 | is bzflag installed on that linux system? |
| 18:22.30 | Alex135 | well i cant tell u see it is all text |
| 18:22.49 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, quit it with the spelling nazi crap, ok? |
| 18:23.04 | BenUrban | he started it... |
| 18:23.06 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:23.09 | JeffM2501 | ben |
| 18:23.11 | BenUrban | sorry i had to :P |
| 18:23.13 | BenUrban | ok ok |
| 18:23.13 | JeffM2501 | don't get ahead of him |
| 18:23.24 | JeffM2501 | all you are doing is making it more confusing |
| 18:23.28 | Alex135 | hello i am still here |
| 18:23.32 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, what happens if you type bzfs ? |
| 18:23.37 | JeffM2501 | and hit enter? |
| 18:23.43 | Alex135 | it has the server aplication on it |
| 18:23.50 | Alex135 | yes the program is installed |
| 18:23.50 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:23.51 | *** join/#bzflag sussi (n=rak64@217-68-177-213.cable.primacom.net) |
| 18:23.58 | JeffM2501 | just type bzfs and hit enter |
| 18:24.03 | JeffM2501 | lets see if we can get to you |
| 18:24.06 | Alex135 | hold on let me log into the serer |
| 18:24.09 | JeffM2501 | then we'll worry about publicness |
| 18:24.21 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, yes we know, just one step at a time |
| 18:24.23 | BenUrban | ok |
| 18:24.24 | JeffM2501 | for cristes sake |
| 18:24.29 | JeffM2501 | you are NOT helping |
| 18:24.50 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 18:25.12 | Alex135 | hold on i am loging in |
| 18:25.12 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, let me know when it's running |
| 18:25.14 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:25.26 | JeffM2501 | we just first need to make sure that, THAT computer isn't behind a firewall or router |
| 18:25.34 | Alex135 | ok im in |
| 18:25.40 | _Manu_ | can't connect |
| 18:25.40 | JeffM2501 | just type bzfs |
| 18:25.47 | Alex135 | ok hold on |
| 18:25.49 | JeffM2501 | _Manu_, let him start it :) |
| 18:26.04 | JeffM2501 | the rest of you, stop jumping the gun, let him do it at his pace |
| 18:26.20 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, he said he was in |
| 18:26.28 | JeffM2501 | he was in to the linux server |
| 18:26.28 | Alex135 | nothing happins i jsut see nothing |
| 18:26.30 | JeffM2501 | not BZFS |
| 18:26.34 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, good |
| 18:26.38 | JeffM2501 | just hang on |
| 18:26.39 | _Manu_ | ah.. heh |
| 18:26.40 | JeffM2501 | we will check |
| 18:27.06 | Alex135 | i have the conf and a lev file also uploded i think |
| 18:27.17 | JeffM2501 | don't worry about that yet |
| 18:27.19 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:27.20 | RPG_ | ~seen scanline |
| 18:27.24 | ibot | scanline <~kiosk04@membrane.dnalounge.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #tacobeam, 71d 11h 9m 37s ago, saying: 'yep'. |
| 18:27.25 | JeffM2501 | I can't connect to the server |
| 18:27.31 | Alex135 | i know |
| 18:27.37 | JeffM2501 | so that means that that computer is blocked somehow |
| 18:27.42 | Alex135 | no |
| 18:27.43 | JeffM2501 | it ether has a firewall or a router |
| 18:27.46 | _Manu_ | nothing is listening at 5154 |
| 18:27.53 | JeffM2501 | or it is blocked |
| 18:27.57 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, yes, it does |
| 18:28.03 | JeffM2501 | do you own that system? |
| 18:28.12 | Alex135 | yeah |
| 18:28.14 | Alex135 | hold on |
| 18:28.18 | Alex135 | let me try agin |
| 18:28.22 | JeffM2501 | it it behind a router? |
| 18:28.50 | Alex135 | ok try to re conect |
| 18:29.00 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:29.07 | Alex135 | hmmm |
| 18:29.18 | Alex135 | i dont have direct acces to the machine |
| 18:29.22 | JeffM2501 | I can't even ping it |
| 18:29.29 | Alex135 | u cant? |
| 18:29.37 | JeffM2501 | 205.231.94.184 right? |
| 18:29.37 | Alex135 | hold on let me see something |
| 18:29.41 | _Manu_ | I also can't |
| 18:29.55 | Alex135 | hold on i am gooing to make shure i have the right adress |
| 18:30.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:30.23 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, he dosn't use that name anymore |
| 18:30.25 | _Manu_ | you must define a route to the box where bzfs is running both tcp and udp |
| 18:30.42 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: I found him, scanlime, on #tacobeam |
| 18:30.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm betting it's wrong address |
| 18:30.47 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, yes |
| 18:31.09 | Alex135 | hold oni am working on finding the ip |
| 18:31.24 | _Manu_ | what ip? |
| 18:31.26 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 18:31.26 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 18:31.27 | Alex135 | 205.231.94.184 |
| 18:31.27 | JeffM2501 | it will be the same address you type into putty? |
| 18:31.36 | JeffM2501 | that's what we are using |
| 18:31.36 | Alex135 | ya |
| 18:32.03 | JeffM2501 | it has something that is filtering/blocking packets then |
| 18:32.07 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't ping |
| 18:32.12 | JeffM2501 | and I can't get to it via BZFS |
| 18:32.17 | Alex135 | hold on let me try to do one thing |
| 18:32.20 | JeffM2501 | again that is the first thing you need to fix |
| 18:32.52 | Alex135 | now try |
| 18:33.02 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:33.08 | Alex135 | hmmm |
| 18:33.11 | JeffM2501 | can you connect to it via bzflag? |
| 18:33.17 | JeffM2501 | from your system? |
| 18:33.24 | Alex135 | well it wont even host a game right now |
| 18:33.25 | JeffM2501 | just type in the address and port |
| 18:33.36 | _Manu_ | I'm scanning ports to 205.231.94.184 and no response |
| 18:33.39 | JeffM2501 | no, run bzflag client on your windows machine |
| 18:33.47 | JeffM2501 | tell it to connect to your server |
| 18:33.48 | Alex135 | ok hold on |
| 18:34.02 | Alex135 | runing |
| 18:34.02 | JeffM2501 | _Manu_, I'm beting it's behind a router too :) |
| 18:34.06 | Alex135 | hold on |
| 18:34.10 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 18:34.24 | JeffM2501 | like a virtual webhost problably |
| 18:34.48 | ToughShooter | still no bzflag 2.0.4 .deb for debian on x86 :( |
| 18:34.59 | JeffM2501 | I sent tim a message on the dev list |
| 18:35.17 | Alex135 | it is a vurtula machine |
| 18:35.26 | Alex135 | runing on1 comp |
| 18:35.36 | Alex135 | but th comp is like 20 miles away from me |
| 18:35.47 | JeffM2501 | then it's probably firewalled man |
| 18:36.01 | JeffM2501 | lakeland.lib.mi.us |
| 18:36.03 | Alex135 | my dad unblocked the firewall |
| 18:36.04 | JeffM2501 | what is that? |
| 18:36.23 | JeffM2501 | then you should ask your dad why you can't connect to it over the bzflag port |
| 18:36.34 | Alex135 | i know why |
| 18:36.53 | Alex135 | the bzfs is not having any conf to use |
| 18:36.58 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:37.01 | _Manu_ | better exaplain what you want to do, to your dad.. then if you get problems come again to ask :) |
| 18:37.05 | JeffM2501 | bzfs will run with out a config just fine |
| 18:37.08 | _Manu_ | s/exaplain/explain |
| 18:37.10 | JeffM2501 | it uses defaults |
| 18:37.19 | JeffM2501 | Alex135, we know how bzfs works, we wrote it |
| 18:37.20 | Alex135 | ok thx aneway |
| 18:37.25 | Alex135 | lol |
| 18:37.31 | Alex135 | i dont dought u at all |
| 18:37.34 | JeffM2501 | your problem is there is no route on that port to that machine |
| 18:37.39 | _Manu_ | you dad sure can help you to open the ports and trace the routes |
| 18:37.47 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to have a config with -public to have other people play on a server |
| 18:37.54 | JeffM2501 | -public just makes it show on the list server |
| 18:38.07 | Alex135 | hmm hold on i think i now what is rong |
| 18:38.39 | _Manu_ | Alex135, we can't follow you in your experiments.. just ask your dad ;) |
| 18:38.47 | Alex135 | k |
| 18:38.50 | Alex135 | sorry |
| 18:38.59 | JeffM2501 | and test it with your windows system there |
| 18:39.01 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 18:39.03 | Alex135 | i will jsut ask my dad when he gits home |
| 18:39.09 | JeffM2501 | if you can connect to it, then worry about the config and all that |
| 18:39.19 | Alex135 | ok |
| 18:39.25 | Alex135 | thx aneway |
| 18:39.59 | wizatcomputer | JeffM2501: do you still have the windows CVS version hosted somewhere? |
| 18:40.18 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.5b2? |
| 18:40.23 | wizatcomputer | yah |
| 18:40.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:40.30 | wizatcomputer | can i have the link for it? |
| 18:40.31 | JeffM2501 | they never go anywhere |
| 18:40.38 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 18:40.54 | wizatcomputer | thank you |
| 18:44.46 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: In your BZFlagG3D project, what lib contains this file? 'IL/il.h' |
| 18:45.33 | JeffM2501 | devil |
| 18:46.42 | RPG_ | do you have a link? |
| 18:47.54 | JeffM2501 | http://openil.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:50.50 | Alex135 | huh that is strange i can ping th server when non of u others can |
| 18:51.00 | Alex135 | o well nothen serios |
| 18:51.06 | Alex135 | nvm |
| 18:51.27 | uso | are the permissions for a poll to kick/ban somebody the same as for a poll to change server variables? |
| 18:52.07 | uso | or can i enable poll kick/ban for a group without enabling the poll to change server variables? |
| 18:52.21 | *** part/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 18:53.35 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: I keep getting alot of these: Cannot open include file: 'FTGLTextureFont.h'; where do I find that file and it's associated libs? |
| 18:53.39 | Tupone | uso: they were, but when server variables change were abused, we gave a different permission |
| 18:54.10 | *** join/#bzflag Naka (n=chatzill@dialup-4.129.87.16.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 18:54.59 | uso | in which version were these different permissions introduced? |
| 18:55.12 | Tupone | 2.0.2 IIRC |
| 18:55.58 | uso | can you give me a hint which source file to check? |
| 18:56.36 | Tupone | naha, too easy then :) |
| 18:56.56 | uso | :) |
| 18:57.03 | Tupone | I have not made the change ... :( something with Permission ? |
| 18:57.17 | uso | i'll try |
| 18:58.17 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, because you need FTGL |
| 18:58.21 | JeffM2501 | and it's depencencys |
| 18:58.40 | wizatcomputer | where are the screen shots places? |
| 18:58.42 | wizatcomputer | placed |
| 18:58.50 | wizatcomputer | i think i found a glitch |
| 18:59.06 | RPG_ | whaat do you think is the glitch? |
| 18:59.37 | wizatcomputer | when you jump above a world "wall", the wall image is "wierd" |
| 18:59.43 | wizatcomputer | i think i got some screen shots of it |
| 18:59.53 | wizatcomputer | but i don't know where they were placed |
| 19:00.19 | wizatcomputer | found them |
| 19:01.55 | RPG_ | when fog is on? |
| 19:02.04 | Tupone | uso: I think command.cxx in src/bzfs |
| 19:02.12 | RPG_ | wizatcomputer: by "weird" i think you mean "not being rendered" |
| 19:02.28 | wizatcomputer | it's rendered... somewhat |
| 19:02.33 | wizatcomputer | i'll just post the image |
| 19:02.35 | RPG_ | yes i get that oo |
| 19:02.56 | wizatcomputer | http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bzfi00042rz.png |
| 19:03.40 | wizatcomputer | it's the left wall that's messed up |
| 19:03.58 | RPG_ | do you get that with all the walls? |
| 19:04.05 | wizatcomputer | on that level, yes |
| 19:04.17 | wizatcomputer | i'm not too sure about other levels |
| 19:05.13 | RPG_ | wizatcomputer: come and join garrettp.homeip.net:5154 |
| 19:05.16 | RPG_ | i set up a test there |
| 19:05.19 | wizatcomputer | alright |
| 19:05.24 | RPG_ | it's not on the server list, u gotta type it in |
| 19:05.28 | wizatcomputer | ok |
| 19:05.41 | wizatcomputer | it appears for me on 2.0.4 and 2.0.5b |
| 19:05.52 | wizatcomputer | any prefrence which one i should use? |
| 19:06.00 | RPG_ | 2.0.5b |
| 19:06.02 | wizatcomputer | k |
| 19:06.13 | JeffM2501 | it's because of the fog |
| 19:06.23 | JeffM2501 | and the ground not being in the depth |
| 19:06.27 | JeffM2501 | report it on SF |
| 19:06.33 | wizatcomputer | alright |
| 19:06.39 | wizatcomputer | but i got the same thing w/ 2.0.4 |
| 19:06.50 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 19:06.56 | JeffM2501 | well it still needs to be reported |
| 19:07.05 | JeffM2501 | what card are you on? |
| 19:07.34 | wizatcomputer | nvida gforce2 i believe |
| 19:07.44 | wizatcomputer | 64mb ram |
| 19:07.50 | JeffM2501 | current drivers and all that? |
| 19:07.55 | uso | Tupone: you are right, there were permissions pollBan, pollKick, pollSet introduced before the 2.0.2 release, thanks |
| 19:08.08 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:14.40 | JeffM2501 | how do you send on the admin channel,? |
| 19:15.14 | Tupone | Z |
| 19:15.33 | JeffM2501 | in game? |
| 19:15.40 | Tupone | yep |
| 19:16.17 | Tupone | dunno what Z stand for :) |
| 19:17.18 | JeffM2501 | wizatcomputer, that is a feature |
| 19:17.20 | JeffM2501 | don't worry about it |
| 19:17.28 | wizatcomputer | huh? |
| 19:17.37 | wizatcomputer | i don't get that glitch on other levels |
| 19:17.38 | wizatcomputer | just that one |
| 19:21.20 | wizatcomputer | "it's not a bug, it's a feature" =) |
| 19:24.01 | trepan | the smearing/blurring is due to the _drawGround bzdb var being set to 0 |
| 19:24.39 | trepan | trying every little trick to help the fps on that map |
| 19:26.23 | JeffM2501 | they did it for that map speciflcy |
| 19:26.25 | JeffM2501 | to make it run faster |
| 19:26.30 | JeffM2501 | that's why the walls are so high |
| 19:26.54 | wizatcomputer | oh |
| 19:26.54 | Tupone | JeffM2501: are you able to build right now on windows, to test my funny change. If you can, I do not commit |
| 19:26.54 | wizatcomputer | ok |
| 19:27.27 | Tupone | If you cannot, I do not commit :) |
| 19:28.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah I canb build |
| 19:28.44 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 19:28.49 | Tupone | ok ... |
| 19:32.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (8 files): sendMessage is now declared in bzfs.h |
| 19:33.56 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, you want me to just make sure it buids, test something, or make you a release build? |
| 19:34.29 | Tupone | nope, just build |
| 19:34.29 | JeffM2501 | it's building now |
| 19:34.29 | Tupone | 'cause I saw something strange in bzfs.h |
| 19:34.31 | JeffM2501 | it built |
| 19:34.33 | JeffM2501 | what did you change? |
| 19:34.45 | Tupone | I just added an extern sendMessage |
| 19:34.52 | JeffM2501 | why would that not build |
| 19:34.53 | JeffM2501 | it's extern |
| 19:34.59 | Tupone | but then had to include bzfs.h in some place |
| 19:35.21 | JeffM2501 | it's protected |
| 19:35.24 | JeffM2501 | it should not change much |
| 19:35.24 | Tupone | I saw "network.h" and I remember those strange windock behaviuor |
| 19:35.26 | JeffM2501 | it worked fine |
| 19:35.44 | JeffM2501 | ohh that was just you had to include networking before libcurl |
| 19:35.46 | JeffM2501 | that's all |
| 19:36.16 | Tupone | ahh ok :) |
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| 19:53.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (5 files): BasesList bases is exported in bzfs.h |
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| 19:56.15 | RPG_ | Does anyone know if BZFlag incorporates force-feedback for compliant devices? |
| 19:56.24 | DTRemenak | indeed it does |
| 19:56.30 | RPG_ | How so? |
| 19:56.40 | DTRemenak | options->input->force feedback |
| 19:56.41 | Tupone | one of the force-feedback man :) |
| 19:56.46 | RPG_ | I'm about to go and buy a force-feedback wheel |
| 19:57.05 | Tupone | a wheel? I think is slow |
| 19:57.08 | DTRemenak | plays various effects for shots and so on |
| 19:57.14 | RPG_ | awsome |
| 19:57.17 | DTRemenak | and death |
| 19:57.25 | RPG_ | Tupone: a wheel? I think is slow |
| 19:57.25 | RPG_ | ^^ what do you mean |
| 19:57.30 | DTRemenak | and OO if you have a capable-enough device |
| 19:58.21 | Tupone | I have one wheel here. I can't play with it, as I can just steer. and the wheel is too big to react |
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| 19:58.45 | DTRemenak | I think that's all I have effects hooked up for. if you have more ideas, they're easy (really easy) to add. see ForceFeedback.cxx. |
| 19:58.58 | Tupone | ato go forward I can use the pedal , but don't know how to go back, so have to use wheel, pedal and stick |
| 20:00.17 | Tupone | a joystick is better, as you can use just one hand to manouvre, and the weight you have to move and movement you need to do are just minimal |
| 20:00.18 | DTRemenak | Tupone: could add a command to swap forward/reverse keybindings. then assign a button to it, hit the button to change to "reverse gear" and back. |
| 20:00.27 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:00.34 | Tupone | I can, I have a stick for that |
| 20:00.58 | Tupone | I will be dead as soon as I change back to reverse |
| 20:01.08 | Tupone | I mean forward to reverse |
| 20:01.17 | RPG_ | Gas = forward; brake = backwards? |
| 20:01.24 | CBG | hi RPG_ |
| 20:01.25 | DTRemenak | would allow full forward->full reverse instantaneously actually |
| 20:01.39 | RPG_ | hi CBG |
| 20:01.39 | RPG_ | brb |
| 20:01.41 | DTRemenak | assuming you have a button on the wheel, I could see some advantage to that |
| 20:01.50 | DTRemenak | floor it and hit reverse :) |
| 20:02.13 | Tupone | perhaps ... but moving the wheel is a pain |
| 20:02.44 | Tupone | and I prefer to use the same style of my car, or a very different with other equipment |
| 20:02.52 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 20:03.02 | Tupone | I cannot efford a car crash after hours of playing |
| 20:03.36 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 20:03.40 | Tupone | a re-spawn does not work there |
| 20:04.55 | DTRemenak | reminds me of http://www.qis.net/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZTopTen.html |
| 20:05.17 | Tupone | yeah :) |
| 20:06.41 | CBG | I don't get #6. Am I stupid? |
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| 20:07.03 | CBG | hi blast007 ;) |
| 20:07.09 | ToughShooter | I don't get #6, either |
| 20:07.21 | ToughShooter | Maybe has something to do with Gerbil |
| 20:07.36 | Tegan | or rabbits |
| 20:07.37 | Tupone | hmm have to do with Chestal team ? |
| 20:07.38 | CBG | thats kinda biased and/or egotistical. |
| 20:07.44 | DTRemenak | rabbits are not rodents |
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| 20:07.51 | blast007 | hi CBG |
| 20:07.51 | Tegan | they aren't? oh |
| 20:07.52 | DTRemenak | they're lagamorphs |
| 20:07.53 | CBG | DTRemenak: matte rof opinion :) |
| 20:08.00 | DTRemenak | CBG: no, it's not |
| 20:08.10 | CBG | DTRemenak: I know.... just teasing... :( |
| 20:08.12 | ToughShooter | #7 is best |
| 20:08.13 | DTRemenak | they do not belong to genus rodentia. they are not rodents |
| 20:08.24 | DTRemenak | sorry, pet peeve :) |
| 20:08.31 | ToughShooter | I never got why I drive a little bit backwards while turning |
| 20:08.33 | CBG | I like #2. :) |
| 20:08.42 | CBG | DTRemenak: I can se. |
| 20:08.46 | CBG | see* |
| 20:09.22 | CBG | on a right hand turn, just before you turn, you go back and left a little, to line you up better to turn right.... right? |
| 20:09.28 | ToughShooter | I mean in game, not in real live ;) |
| 20:09.31 | Tegan | ah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit) |
| 20:09.35 | CBG | Yeah... .. |
| 20:09.40 | CBG | rofl tegan! |
| 20:10.19 | CBG | this part: As a lagomorph, they have 4 sharp incisors (2 on top, 2 on bottom) that grow continuously throughout their life, and two peg teeth on the top behind the inscisors, dissimilar to those of rodents (which have only 2 each, top and bottom). |
| 20:10.20 | ToughShooter | when I want to turn right, I shift turning right and backwards quickly |
| 20:10.31 | CBG | suggests that DTRemenak is not pulling our legs. ;) |
| 20:10.33 | CBG | or teeth.... |
| 20:10.51 | Tupone | I forget the name of Chestal team :( |
| 20:10.54 | CBG | Oh yeah, sorry, I meat you go back and right a bit. not back and left. |
| 20:10.56 | DTRemenak | Tupone: Moles |
| 20:10.59 | Tupone | ahh |
| 20:11.05 | DTRemenak | CBG: also, "Rabbits and hares were formerly classified in the order Rodentia until 1912, when they were moved into a new order Lagomorpha. This order, in addition to containing rabbits and hares, also includes the pikas." |
| 20:11.17 | Tupone | Moles is a rodent |
| 20:11.18 | CBG | Indeed. :) |
| 20:11.25 | ToughShooter | yeah, I remember him having "The Moles" in callsign |
| 20:11.36 | Tegan | pikas? |
| 20:11.49 | CBG | I believe rodents, moles are not. |
| 20:12.01 | Tupone | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodents |
| 20:12.08 | DTRemenak | Tegan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pika |
| 20:12.24 | CBG | No. wait, i was right the first time, back and left before turning right. |
| 20:12.29 | DTRemenak | cute little guys |
| 20:12.42 | CBG | See: Groups commonly confused with rodents, or erroneously thought to be rodents, include the aforementioned Chiroptera (bats), Scandentia (tree shrews), Insectivora (moles, shrews and hedgehogs), and Lagomorpha (hares, rabbits and pikas). |
| 20:12.46 | Tegan | DTRemenak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikachu |
| 20:12.55 | Tupone | Groups commonly confused with rodents, or erroneously thought to be rodents, include the Moles :/ |
| 20:12.57 | CBG | rofl. pikachu!! :) |
| 20:13.07 | DTRemenak | ugh |
| 20:13.13 | CBG | Tupone: I beat ya too it. |
| 20:13.30 | Tupone | :-] |
| 20:13.34 | CBG | Pika's are cute, though. :) |
| 20:13.51 | DTRemenak | gerbils, however, are indeed rodents |
| 20:14.04 | CBG | Seems unfair on the little gerbils... :P |
| 20:14.15 | Tegan | hey does BZFlag have a mascot? |
| 20:14.24 | CBG | Tegan: me...? |
| 20:16.18 | CBG | Am i unsuitable for a mascot? |
| 20:16.23 | CBG | I am fat and funny looking... |
| 20:16.31 | CBG | I'm willing to make a fool of myself, if needed. |
| 20:16.42 | CBG | Chances are people will take me for a fool anyway, but eh. :) |
| 20:16.55 | Tegan | what's a CBG? |
| 20:17.04 | ToughShooter | ~CBG |
| 20:17.06 | ibot | i heard cbg is an ass, a prat and a retard, or stupid, or a failure, or lives in a dumpster |
| 20:17.06 | CBG | A CannonBallGuy. |
| 20:17.08 | CBG | There is only one. |
| 20:17.11 | Birdie | lol |
| 20:17.13 | CBG | ibot never lies. |
| 20:17.15 | Birdie | lucky us |
| 20:17.25 | CBG | But I must wonder who added the dumpster bit. |
| 20:17.32 | brad2901 | eep |
| 20:17.37 | blast007 | http://mayberryfineart.com/artwork/jordan_van_sewell/tank_guy.jpg |
| 20:18.09 | CBG | lol :) |
| 20:18.34 | CBG | You guys know the feline-type creatures that are cute cause they stand up tall and look around? |
| 20:18.41 | CBG | Sounds like "mere-cats".... |
| 20:18.46 | CBG | How is it spelt? |
| 20:19.07 | CBG | Ah, I got it. meerkat |
| 20:19.23 | CBG | :/ |
| 20:19.34 | Birdie | a blushing tegan, i never saw that in my lfie |
| 20:19.36 | Birdie | life * |
| 20:19.53 | CBG | Well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meerkat is cute, no? |
| 20:21.17 | Tegan | lol -> http://www.wellpinit.wednet.edu/cla-tech/officer-meerkat.jpg |
| 20:21.40 | CBG | hehe |
| 20:22.15 | CBG | wow... did you know Mosquitoes have 47 teeth? |
| 20:22.27 | Tegan | they have teeth? eek! |
| 20:22.33 | CBG | yeah... o.O |
| 20:22.45 | CBG | The average garden-variety caterpillar has 248 muscles in its head. |
| 20:22.58 | CBG | Now, this I don't think I believe... A mule won't sink in quicksand but a donkey will. |
| 20:23.14 | Tegan | thank you Cliff Clayburn |
| 20:23.26 | CBG | O.o |
| 20:24.01 | Tegan | -.o |
| 20:26.49 | CBG | of? |
| 20:28.03 | Tegan | just in general? |
| 20:28.26 | CBG | maybe of the cashew nuts... |
| 20:28.32 | CBG | I don't blame you... |
| 20:28.36 | CBG | just the thought.... |
| 20:28.37 | CBG | eugh!! |
| 20:28.53 | Tegan | yer s'posed to peel 'em donchya know |
| 20:29.27 | CBG | t, t, ta, touch them? O_O |
| 20:30.25 | DTRemenak | "A mule won't sink in quicksand but a donkey will." Just goes to show ya, don't be an ass! :) |
| 20:30.59 | Tegan | there isn't a light flag |
| 20:31.07 | Tegan | (other than Laser) |
| 20:31.42 | DTRemenak | are you saying all the flags are heavy? :) |
| 20:31.53 | DTRemenak | no wonder I always want to drop them! |
| 20:32.04 | CBG | rofl DTRemenak |
| 20:32.24 | CBG | Make a lightweiight flag that makes ya float? |
| 20:32.41 | Tupone | Wings ? |
| 20:32.51 | Tegan | hmm, I was thinking of the stuff that comes out of torches, but that's an idea too |
| 20:32.59 | CBG | Wings is totally different. |
| 20:33.02 | DTRemenak | Tegan: I know, just making a bad pun :) |
| 20:33.27 | CBG | LightWeight (LW) would just make you jump 1.7362 times as high as normal. |
| 20:33.54 | CBG | (By default, it could obviously be changed per server...) |
| 20:34.38 | Tegan | gives you positive gravity until dropped? |
| 20:34.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:34.52 | CBG | positive gravity? |
| 20:35.05 | CBG | As opposed to? |
| 20:35.06 | Tupone | you could make all the building just 1.7362 times shorter |
| 20:35.28 | CBG | Tupone: but, that would be the same for everyone. |
| 20:35.39 | Tupone | yeah :( |
| 20:35.39 | CBG | This is a FLAG, something not everyone has... |
| 20:35.43 | wizatcomputer | that way, if you shoot them down, you get an even bigger explosion =) |
| 20:36.01 | CBG | lol. nice... :) |
| 20:36.11 | CBG | wb, JeffM2501. |
| 20:36.19 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 20:36.29 | CBG | The guy with LW is. :) |
| 20:36.51 | wizatcomputer | hey JeffM2501. in the BZflag API docs, a scoreReset command is shown, but it dosen't go anywhere. are you currently working on that? |
| 20:36.57 | wizatcomputer | if not, i'll take a stab at it |
| 20:37.22 | JeffM2501 | wizatcomputer, it was removed |
| 20:37.24 | CBG | Do I know you, wizatcomputer? |
| 20:37.28 | JeffM2501 | it crashes clients |
| 20:37.30 | wizatcomputer | JeffM2501: oh |
| 20:37.31 | wizatcomputer | ok |
| 20:37.43 | wizatcomputer | CBG: unlikely, but possible |
| 20:37.44 | JeffM2501 | the client won't accept a score from the server, since it tracks them itself |
| 20:37.50 | wizatcomputer | ah |
| 20:37.51 | wizatcomputer | ok |
| 20:38.09 | CBG | wizatcomputer: I mean, you didnt used to be here under different name? |
| 20:38.15 | wizatcomputer | wizatcomp/wizatmac |
| 20:38.15 | JeffM2501 | next major will put it back in, and make the client never track anyscore |
| 20:38.26 | wizatcomputer | that will also help with cheating i bet |
| 20:38.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:38.39 | JeffM2501 | well the server tracks score now |
| 20:38.44 | JeffM2501 | and sends it to other players |
| 20:38.46 | CBG | I guessed that, but you werent here very much untill a few weeks ago, roght? |
| 20:38.50 | JeffM2501 | but the server can't set a players own score |
| 20:38.52 | JeffM2501 | that's the prob |
| 20:38.58 | wizatcomputer | CBG: a week ago, tops |
| 20:39.01 | ToughShooter | How would that help with cheating? |
| 20:39.06 | CBG | wizatcomputer: ok. :) |
| 20:39.17 | wizatcomputer | ToughShooter: some cheaters just make their client not die |
| 20:39.28 | JeffM2501 | wizatcomputer, that's NOT what I'm talking about |
| 20:39.28 | wizatcomputer | and then their score dosen't go down |
| 20:39.32 | wizatcomputer | JeffM2501: oh... |
| 20:39.35 | JeffM2501 | that has nothing to do with score |
| 20:39.36 | ToughShooter | that's another problem... |
| 20:39.38 | wizatcomputer | then listen to JeffM2501 =) |
| 20:39.53 | JeffM2501 | a death is just one way to triger a score |
| 20:40.06 | JeffM2501 | tho the server needs to do death checks too |
| 20:40.08 | Tupone | ToughShooter: some client put the score they see always at the top, so they can show their friends their are the best :) |
| 20:40.13 | JeffM2501 | that will help with cheats |
| 20:40.15 | ToughShooter | the whole kill model would need to be changed to prevent a few cheaters |
| 20:40.31 | JeffM2501 | many things need to change |
| 20:40.34 | ToughShooter | Tupone: heh |
| 20:40.44 | wizatcomputer | i suppose most of the stuff should be done server side |
| 20:40.51 | JeffM2501 | as much as possible |
| 20:40.55 | JeffM2501 | thin clients :) |
| 20:41.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:41.39 | wizatcomputer | for the "BZF_API bool bz_fireWorldWep" api call, can you use a GM and have it choose someone to lock on to? |
| 20:41.49 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:41.54 | wizatcomputer | darn |
| 20:41.55 | CBG | lol ToughShooter. |
| 20:42.02 | wizatcomputer | i want a creative way to deal with a few people |
| 20:42.12 | JeffM2501 | just kill them |
| 20:42.22 | wizatcomputer | nah, it's moe fun to mess with them |
| 20:42.26 | wizatcomputer | (this is at my school) |
| 20:42.47 | CBG | wizatcomputer: what ya do, is fine some doggy poop, wrap it up, set it alight.... |
| 20:43.06 | wizatcomputer | CBG: flaming poop wouldn't do to well inside school =) |
| 20:43.18 | wizatcomputer | our prog class plays BZflag all the time |
| 20:43.25 | DTRemenak | wizatcomputer: you could simulate a lock-on with MsgGMUpdate. track the player's position and have the missile follow it. could even have it fly through buildings...you can run, but you can't hide :) |
| 20:43.35 | CBG | wizatcomputer: 1. then you knock on their door..... |
| 20:43.45 | CBG | wizatcomputer: 2. wow.... in lessons??? |
| 20:43.49 | wizatcomputer | DTRemenak: i'll definatly have to look into that =) |
| 20:44.05 | ToughShooter | hey, that way you could track whether a user is being able to be shot via missiles |
| 20:44.09 | CBG | My college and last school dont even let yuou go on onlike games sites. |
| 20:44.17 | wizatcomputer | CBG: we started playing it the last 10 min of class, but we magaged to start a project dealing with it |
| 20:44.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah you could fake the shot strat on the server |
| 20:44.29 | JeffM2501 | it would a bit of work |
| 20:44.37 | CBG | wizatcomputer: lucky sod. |
| 20:44.39 | DTRemenak | wizatcomputer: could be even more fun to set up like a 4x4 array of GM WW's in the sky. then fire ALL of them at whoever your target is |
| 20:44.39 | wizatcomputer | so esentally we *may* have 5 people working on the code + improvements 45 minutes a day, 5 days a week |
| 20:44.39 | JeffM2501 | since you don't have the shot strat on the server |
| 20:44.51 | ToughShooter | In my university BZFlag is installed in the applications server so will show up for every user |
| 20:44.57 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, plugin dosn't know much about the map tho |
| 20:45.03 | DTRemenak | 16 missiles from all directions, following your every move, capable of flying through walls. |
| 20:45.07 | wizatcomputer | hahah |
| 20:45.10 | wizatcomputer | insaneness |
| 20:45.16 | CBG | rofl DTRemenak |
| 20:45.16 | Tupone | I want to move GM tracking inside server |
| 20:45.25 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: don't need to know about the map if you can fly through walls, right? |
| 20:45.28 | CBG | Thats makes sense.... tupone |
| 20:45.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:45.43 | JeffM2501 | would be cool if they computed best path and went around stuff |
| 20:45.46 | ToughShooter | Tupone: That would finally fix the lag problems of some players :) |
| 20:45.47 | Tupone | make sense, but is kinda difficult |
| 20:45.49 | JeffM2501 | with faster then normal GM turns :) |
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| 20:45.52 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 20:46.17 | Tupone | Need to get collision detection in bzfs :( |
| 20:46.25 | JeffM2501 | just move it |
| 20:46.26 | Tupone | So, not 2.2 |
| 20:46.40 | JeffM2501 | why not 2.2.0 ? |
| 20:46.43 | DTRemenak | Tupone: we have the collision detection itself. just don't know anything about shots. |
| 20:46.44 | Tupone | one step at time :) |
| 20:46.47 | JeffM2501 | it's a proto breaker |
| 20:46.47 | ToughShooter | let it fly through buildings, make it an über GM ;) |
| 20:47.02 | wizatcomputer | DTRemenak: any info on the msgGMupdate? |
| 20:47.13 | Tupone | I have to see, I want to do kill detection at server, first |
| 20:47.16 | wizatcomputer | or should i dive into the code and see where it is |
| 20:47.23 | Tupone | s/detection/decision/ |
| 20:47.24 | JeffM2501 | wizatcomputer, you'd have to do it in bzfs, not a plugin, the message isn't in the API |
| 20:47.30 | blast007 | CBG: character map ;) |
| 20:47.30 | wizatcomputer | oh |
| 20:47.31 | JeffM2501 | ether that or you have to expose it |
| 20:47.32 | wizatcomputer | alright |
| 20:47.53 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, so do it all :) |
| 20:47.53 | wizatcomputer | well then the GM will span about a "foot" away from the tank =) |
| 20:47.58 | blast007 | CBG: if you're using X-Chat, it has Windows > Character Chart |
| 20:48.04 | ToughShooter | and shockwaves at the point the missiles hit :) |
| 20:48.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you don't have a "send arbitrary message" API? |
| 20:48.13 | CBG | blast007: im not. :) |
| 20:48.14 | wizatcomputer | shockwaves take out innocent people too |
| 20:48.16 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, no |
| 20:48.20 | blast007 | CBG: k ;) |
| 20:48.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it's high level API reemmber :) |
| 20:48.52 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: true :) |
| 20:48.54 | Tupone | Problem is the delay as perceived from the viewer. I want to do one step at time, and see the behaviour |
| 20:48.55 | JeffM2501 | so the backend can change |
| 20:49.09 | wizatcomputer | hmm... |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, there are many ways to work around that |
| 20:49.13 | wizatcomputer | i know a creative way to deal with the person |
| 20:49.19 | CBG | ToughShooter: can you tell me what key combination you used? |
| 20:49.21 | DTRemenak | suppose the api and the protocol should remain universally independent |
| 20:49.21 | JeffM2501 | you have the client and server both do it, but the server is the only one that matters |
| 20:49.36 | wizatcomputer | have *them* spawn a few shockwaves. that way, other palyers get mad at them =) |
| 20:49.48 | ToughShooter | CBG: I only pressed the key 'ü' |
| 20:49.57 | blast007 | so have the client just tell the server "Hey, I fired a bullet", and let the server handle where the shot originated, direction, speed, etc? |
| 20:50.05 | wizatcomputer | JeffM2501: can the server change the flag that a player has? |
| 20:50.18 | Tupone | hmm, the client decide hime being killed, so he get explosion, and server says, well, not you are not died, the other tank died |
| 20:50.20 | JeffM2501 | wizatcomputer, not easalyu |
| 20:50.22 | wizatcomputer | since it *looks* like it can |
| 20:50.35 | CBG | ToughShooter: You have a ü key? o.O |
| 20:50.36 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, that shoudl only happen in very bad lag casses |
| 20:50.37 | DTRemenak | wizatcomputer: have the plugin set up shockwaves such that the entire map is covered. then have your plugin figure out which one would kill him :) |
| 20:50.54 | wizatcomputer | haha =) |
| 20:51.01 | ToughShooter | CBG: I have a qwertz keyboard |
| 20:51.01 | JeffM2501 | wizatcomputer, you can zap the flag from a player |
| 20:51.07 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you can "give" them one |
| 20:51.08 | Tupone | well, it happens now. you have one shot that kill 2 tanks, easily |
| 20:51.09 | wizatcomputer | but not change it |
| 20:51.11 | wizatcomputer | darn |
| 20:51.17 | wizatcomputer | i could give them perpetual blindness |
| 20:51.31 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, read up on gamasurta, there are many articles on lag comp for stuff like that |
| 20:51.37 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: can't intercept flag spawns like you can player spawns? |
| 20:51.41 | JeffM2501 | bzflag isnt' the first to have to do it :) |
| 20:51.49 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, there is no message for it right now |
| 20:51.54 | Tupone | but bzflag is the best |
| 20:52.06 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, for lan game, maybe :) |
| 20:52.06 | devster | is there a dedicated server version of bzflag? |
| 20:52.14 | wizatcomputer | bzfs |
| 20:52.15 | JeffM2501 | devster, all servers are dedicated |
| 20:52.22 | JeffM2501 | the in game one just launches the bzfs app |
| 20:52.40 | devster | is it part of the bzflag tar.gz? |
| 20:52.48 | JeffM2501 | the source? |
| 20:52.52 | devster | yep |
| 20:52.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:52.59 | ToughShooter | it can be compiled from the source |
| 20:52.59 | JeffM2501 | it's built with the client |
| 20:53.10 | devster | can you just compile the server? |
| 20:53.10 | DTRemenak | or separately |
| 20:53.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:53.15 | wizatcomputer | alright then |
| 20:53.21 | ToughShooter | like with --disable-client |
| 20:53.23 | wizatcomputer | i'll just use "bz_GetPlayerSpawnPosEventData" to have them spawn over water |
| 20:53.25 | DTRemenak | ./configure --disable-client --deisable-bzadmin |
| 20:53.27 | blast007 | ./configure --diable-client --disable-bzadmin |
| 20:53.28 | wizatcomputer | always =) |
| 20:53.31 | blast007 | er |
| 20:53.41 | DTRemenak | blast007 makes less typos, but I was faster :) |
| 20:53.41 | JeffM2501 | wizatcomputer, you can only do that on the next spawn |
| 20:53.47 | wizatcomputer | right |
| 20:53.48 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:53.58 | wizatcomputer | with a certian nick, they get spawned over water |
| 20:54.04 | DTRemenak | hrm, or maybe we have the same number of typos :) |
| 20:54.13 | JeffM2501 | your plugin has to know where watter is |
| 20:54.15 | ToughShooter | bzadmin doesn't need that many time to compile |
| 20:54.17 | devster | lol |
| 20:54.21 | wizart | hi question: I tried to compile mbzflag 2.0.4 and it complains that an include file is missing: ../../include/network.h:47:20: net/if.h: No such file or directory. I'm using kernel 2.6.12 and the file isn't part of the incudes there. |
| 20:54.22 | wizatcomputer | darn |
| 20:54.33 | Tupone | DTRemenak: number of errors was the same 1-1 :) |
| 20:54.33 | wizatcomputer | alright, i'll figure out something creatibve |
| 20:54.36 | wizatcomputer | *creative |
| 20:54.39 | JeffM2501 | you can mark it with a custom map feature tho |
| 20:54.42 | DTRemenak | Tupone: yup :) |
| 20:54.44 | devster | the server doesnt need opengl etc does it ? |
| 20:54.45 | JeffM2501 | and save the position |
| 20:54.46 | ToughShooter | the playing client is what takes so long ;) |
| 20:54.51 | wizart | wizatcomputer, that's an interestng way to deal with cheaters ^^ Make them spawn over weater. |
| 20:55.15 | wizatcomputer | hopefully they would get the point =) |
| 20:55.49 | wizatcomputer | and also, is it possible to get a copy of the bzw from a server that is hosting it? |
| 20:55.54 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar) |
| 20:55.59 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:56.28 | wizatcomputer | tis a way though |
| 20:56.33 | devster | how much bandwidth does a server take on average btw? :) |
| 20:56.54 | DTRemenak | have your plugin establish a tcp connection to the server, and try to join. then have it request, receive, decode, and save the map. |
| 20:56.55 | wizatcomputer | i'm assuming less than 10 Kb a second |
| 20:57.10 | devster | for how many players |
| 20:57.10 | wizatcomputer | DTRemenak: alright, then it's not that easy |
| 20:57.13 | DTRemenak | bzfscron uses a similar tactic to send commands |
| 20:57.14 | wizatcomputer | that's good to know |
| 20:57.27 | DTRemenak | it's very very ugly |
| 20:57.40 | DTRemenak | and horrible and nasty. but it works |
| 20:57.43 | wizatcomputer | devster: BZflag is low bandwidth overall |
| 20:57.57 | wizatcomputer | i can start up a server and have you connect a few times and tell you the bandwidth |
| 20:58.03 | blast007 | bandwidth is exponential |
| 20:58.05 | DTRemenak | devster: common rule-of-thumb is 5kb per player-second |
| 20:58.28 | Tupone | wizart: in my system if.h comes from glibc |
| 20:58.43 | wizart | ah thanks I will update gclib then |
| 20:58.49 | devster | k DTRemenak |
| 20:58.59 | Tupone | well, I don't understand why is missing |
| 20:59.00 | CBG | I found it! über! über! über!!!!! :) |
| 20:59.11 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:59.11 | wizart | *glibc |
| 20:59.30 | DTRemenak | so e.g. ten players is 400 kbps |
| 20:59.54 | devster | ok |
| 21:00.10 | Tupone | wizart: there is no change in the if.h, so an update won't help. Perhaps you have a misconfigured system :/ |
| 21:00.11 | blast007 | a way to save b/w is to use -cacheout to write the map to a cache file, and then put that on a website |
| 21:00.11 | *** join/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=Ice_Wewe@ppp-216-106-107-249.storm.ca) |
| 21:00.27 | CBG | Hi Ice_Wewe |
| 21:00.28 | blast007 | then the clients will download the cache from the website instead of your server |
| 21:00.33 | wizart | Tupone, I guess I have. |
| 21:00.35 | Ice_Wewe | I set up my server to record for replay's, but when I look in the directory I see nothing... |
| 21:00.36 | Ice_Wewe | hey CBG |
| 21:00.45 | trepan | libc6-dev: usr/include/net/if.h |
| 21:00.52 | wizart | Tupone, problem is: rpm system and kernel from kernel.org |
| 21:01.07 | wizart | And since they throw everything into one folder |
| 21:01.07 | Tupone | well, if.h is from decade |
| 21:01.14 | wizart | things get messy after a few years |
| 21:01.19 | Ice_Wewe | any ideas as to what is wrong? |
| 21:01.20 | Tupone | lol :) |
| 21:01.47 | ToughShooter | CBG: LOL |
| 21:02.04 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe: you can ask to trepan, in case he is in a good mood :) |
| 21:02.08 | CBG | ToughShooter: I still dont know the key-combo... I like, inserted it from a menu... :( |
| 21:02.15 | trepan | Tupone: no such luck ;) |
| 21:02.20 | Tupone | lol ;) |
| 21:02.26 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: do you know why my server wont record? |
| 21:02.35 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: I set it to in the conf file |
| 21:02.38 | wizart | so the short answer is: I probably deleted the file once because I thought the net folder belongs to the kernel. |
| 21:02.54 | DTRemenak | Ice_Wewe: did you ever tell it to start recording? |
| 21:03.16 | Ice_Wewe | DTRemenak: no, how do you do that? |
| 21:03.25 | Ice_Wewe | DTRemenak: I assumed it automatically started |
| 21:03.34 | DTRemenak | that would be silly |
| 21:03.39 | Ice_Wewe | oh.... |
| 21:03.47 | Ice_Wewe | so what do I do? type in /record |
| 21:03.53 | trepan | http://bzflag.org/wiki/ReplayServer |
| 21:03.53 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.54 | ToughShooter | ~x de en über |
| 21:04.10 | CBG | pf. :P |
| 21:04.24 | Ice_Wewe | I see |
| 21:05.40 | Ice_Wewe | got it |
| 21:05.41 | Ice_Wewe | thx |
| 21:06.04 | Ice_Wewe | is there like a wiki groups file, and server file? I'd like to know how to set it up |
| 21:06.22 | Ice_Wewe | so when I have a lan party, I don't have to tell the other admins the server password |
| 21:06.54 | DTRemenak | at a lan party you should not need any admins at all. you can just punch the dude in the face :) |
| 21:07.02 | CBG | http://bzflag.org/wiki/KarmaSystem is interesting... is it actually due to be implemented? |
| 21:07.14 | trepan | no |
| 21:07.17 | Tupone | menotume: ping |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to talk to the fearless leader about that |
| 21:07.26 | DTRemenak | trepan: heh :) |
| 21:07.38 | *** join/#bzflag wizatmac (n=wiz@pool-162-83-108-159.culp.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:08.26 | CBG | JeffM2501: you talking to me? |
| 21:08.38 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:08.42 | CBG | k :) |
| 21:08.48 | Ice_Wewe | ahaha |
| 21:08.49 | JeffM2501 | karma was/is Tim's baby |
| 21:08.56 | JeffM2501 | it's going to solve all problems |
| 21:09.03 | ToughShooter | CBG: I would be one of the players with a very low karma :x |
| 21:09.22 | CBG | ToughShooter: me too, no doubt. It just sounds interesting :) |
| 21:09.28 | Tupone | DTRemenak: are you the ShotStats father ? |
| 21:09.34 | ToughShooter | If you deal with the problem players, you quickly get negative reviews |
| 21:09.39 | DTRemenak | Tupone: I am |
| 21:09.43 | CBG | JeffM2501: It would actually have a purpose... not just for fun like here with ibot? |
| 21:09.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:09.57 | JeffM2501 | servers could set a minimum karma |
| 21:10.00 | Ice_Wewe | well you seem to be good at handing out Wiki's, is there one on creating group/server/admin files |
| 21:10.04 | JeffM2501 | and not let players with low karma play |
| 21:10.13 | CBG | wow... cool. |
| 21:10.16 | Tupone | I see a curMaxPlayers there ... I wonder if it has anything to do with bzfs variable |
| 21:10.17 | CBG | very interesting :) |
| 21:10.29 | DTRemenak | Tupone: curMaxPlayers is held in both bzflag and bzfs |
| 21:10.35 | DTRemenak | see playing.cxx |
| 21:10.38 | DTRemenak | and world.cxx |
| 21:10.39 | CBG | Ice_Wewe: I think not. though there SHOULD be. :) |
| 21:10.46 | CBG | ~karma Ice_Wewe |
| 21:10.46 | ibot | ice_wewe has neutral karma |
| 21:10.50 | Ice_Wewe | ouch |
| 21:10.57 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma CBG |
| 21:10.57 | ibot | cbg has karma of 3 |
| 21:11.01 | CBG | wow.... |
| 21:11.03 | Tupone | hmm ok, I'm moving the extern things to .h , so found it |
| 21:11.07 | CBG | whos been winding ibot up? |
| 21:11.08 | ToughShooter | karma wars ;) |
| 21:11.11 | Ice_Wewe | haha |
| 21:11.14 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma ibot |
| 21:11.14 | ibot | ibot has karma of 12 |
| 21:11.19 | CBG | ~karma ToughShooter |
| 21:11.19 | ibot | toughshooter has karma of 12 |
| 21:11.22 | Ice_Wewe | how do you give someone karma? |
| 21:11.28 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 21:11.28 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 76 |
| 21:11.32 | CBG | ~Ice_Wewe++ |
| 21:11.33 | Ice_Wewe | WOOT! |
| 21:11.38 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.39 | Tupone | probably is not the best things to have ... same name in the same project. However .. no need to fix |
| 21:11.40 | Ice_Wewe | ~CBG+ |
| 21:11.46 | ToughShooter | nerr, ~name-- |
| 21:11.48 | CBG | It's double + :) |
| 21:11.49 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma Ice Wewe |
| 21:11.49 | ibot | ice wewe has neutral karma |
| 21:11.54 | Ice_Wewe | oh |
| 21:11.57 | CBG | But doesnt work...? |
| 21:11.58 | DTRemenak | Tupone: would be better to move things to real objects than just be globals :S |
| 21:12.00 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma CBG++ |
| 21:12.00 | ibot | cbg++ has neutral karma |
| 21:12.07 | Ice_Wewe | shoot |
| 21:12.14 | Ice_Wewe | ~CBG++ |
| 21:12.19 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma CBG |
| 21:12.19 | ibot | cbg has karma of 4 |
| 21:12.27 | Ice_Wewe | it works! |
| 21:12.31 | Ice_Wewe | but I am unkarmable |
| 21:12.32 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I know, but that would make a big effort, compared to a little one like this is |
| 21:12.33 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 21:12.48 | Ice_Wewe | ~Ice Wewe-- |
| 21:12.50 | CBG | ~Ice_Wewe++ |
| 21:12.52 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma |
| 21:12.52 | ibot | ice_wewe has karma of 2 |
| 21:12.53 | DTRemenak | Tupone: can be put in little chunks. one object now, more later :) |
| 21:12.57 | Birdie | go to bot channels.. |
| 21:12.57 | Ice_Wewe | sweet |
| 21:12.58 | CBG | :) yay |
| 21:13.04 | JeffM2501 | server karma is dif then IRC karma |
| 21:13.04 | CBG | Birdie: we're done :) |
| 21:13.06 | Ice_Wewe | ~ice_wewe-- |
| 21:13.10 | blast007 | ~botpark |
| 21:13.11 | ibot | #BotPark is a channel for testing and talking to irc bots. Please do not talk to the bots too much in normal channels. You may msg them or talk in #BotPark |
| 21:13.12 | JeffM2501 | you can't carma yourself |
| 21:13.18 | JeffM2501 | don't flood our channel with crap |
| 21:13.19 | Ice_Wewe | I want to unkarma myself! |
| 21:13.20 | JeffM2501 | use /msg |
| 21:13.20 | Tupone | yeah, agree, need to make an object for bzfs |
| 21:13.23 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 21:13.23 | Ice_Wewe | sry |
| 21:13.25 | JeffM2501 | deal with it |
| 21:13.29 | Ice_Wewe | oh, lol |
| 21:13.34 | DTRemenak | Tupone: many objects probably :) |
| 21:14.17 | ToughShooter | ~bzfrag CBG for pushing Ice_Wewe's karma against his will |
| 21:14.18 | ibot | ACTION kills CBG for pushing Ice_Wewe's karma against his will with a shot from his BZTank |
| 21:14.26 | CBG | :) |
| 21:14.30 | Ice_Wewe | ahah |
| 21:14.48 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you 3 shoudl go to #babychatter ? |
| 21:15.04 | Ice_Wewe | ~whaleslap ToughShooter for dissing CBG |
| 21:15.06 | ibot | ACTION slaps ToughShooter for dissing CBG upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:15.09 | blast007 | it's times like this where I wish my logs were turned off.. |
| 21:15.11 | CBG | Ok JeffM2501 ! |
| 21:15.15 | Ice_Wewe | fine |
| 21:15.24 | CBG | lol Ice_Wewe and blast007 |
| 21:15.36 | CBG | im waiting at #babychatter |
| 21:15.41 | Ice_Wewe | oh fine |
| 21:17.41 | Ice_Wewe | ToughShooter: sucker |
| 21:17.49 | CBG | Thanks for pointing it out, ToughShooter. I hadn't noticed :P |
| 21:17.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (8 files): removePlayer, playerKilled, clOptions & curMaxPlayers exported by bzfs.h |
| 21:19.48 | Tupone | that's all for this night :) |
| 21:24.32 | Ice_Wewe | come to bzfrag! for all your bzflag chatter! |
| 21:25.12 | meacan | CBG: Got a minute? |
| 21:25.44 | CBG | meacan: for you, I have an hour. :) |
| 21:26.06 | meacan | CBG: cool, might be needed :) |
| 21:26.22 | CBG | Wow... you *need* me? :) |
| 21:26.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (data/logo.png data/sky/Thumbs.db misc/art/logo.psd): at least it's not that lame crome blend anymore |
| 21:28.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/client/ (6 files in 3 dirs): menu block for playerSetup |
| 21:29.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/data/Thumbs.db: |
| 21:31.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/data/Thumbs.db: stupid thumbs db |
| 21:34.18 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901` (i=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 21:35.31 | Tupone | admin at gu.de ? |
| 21:36.19 | CBG | birdie ping |
| 21:36.49 | brad2901 | birdie isn't even here :) |
| 21:36.52 | Tupone | I should not have refused :( |
| 21:36.54 | CBG | i know :( |
| 21:37.02 | CBG | menotume? pimpi? |
| 21:37.32 | Tupone | well, it is just language ... :/ |
| 21:38.03 | *** join/#bzflag PKMOBILE (n=Apathy@pcp0011645240pcs.aberdn01.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:38.19 | ToughShooter | poll? |
| 21:38.28 | Tupone | poll was disabled |
| 21:38.57 | *** join/#bzflag Quol_InMemphis (n=IceChat7@rrcs-70-60-81-194.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 21:39.10 | CBG | It is on GU. |
| 21:39.21 | CBG | Although we ask for it to be allowed... |
| 21:39.32 | CBG | or "abled".. heh |
| 21:39.51 | ToughShooter | bah :( |
| 21:40.06 | CBG | It was removed back when /poll set and /poll kick/ban were like one... |
| 21:40.16 | CBG | Owner is happy to have kick/ban, but not set. |
| 21:47.05 | ToughShooter | yeah, and no /me for players |
| 21:47.31 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B03562.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:47.39 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B03562.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:55.37 | wizatmac | meh |
| 21:55.45 | wizatmac | bzflag build failed again |
| 21:57.28 | Tegan | is it still possible to start a poll on the forums? |
| 21:59.13 | wizatmac | well aparently i found a way to crash xcode |
| 21:59.59 | Tupone | wizatmac: building or running? |
| 22:00.21 | wizatmac | erm... |
| 22:00.30 | wizatmac | i'm trying to add the data folder to the resource folder |
| 22:00.36 | wizatmac | and every time i add it, xcode crashed |
| 22:00.39 | wizatmac | crashes |
| 22:00.59 | Tupone | ahh ok :\ /me is not a mac guys |
| 22:01.13 | wizatmac | hmm |
| 22:01.16 | wizatmac | i think i found a way |
| 22:01.54 | Tupone | ToughShooter can help, perhaps |
| 22:02.59 | wizatmac | possibly |
| 22:03.04 | wizatmac | i think i found a solution though |
| 22:13.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (7 files in 7 dirs): no clue if these makefiles work, but hey at least they list all the source files needed |
| 22:14.40 | *** part/#bzflag devster (i=dev@will.you.stop.watchin.me.uk) |
| 22:15.13 | *** join/#bzflag devster (i=dev@will.you.stop.watchin.me.uk) |
| 22:15.22 | devster | whats the SDL for? |
| 22:15.34 | trepan | ~sdl |
| 22:15.35 | ibot | hmm... sdl is Simple Directmedia Layer, a cross-platform multimedia library. More information at http://www.libsdl.org/ . |
| 22:15.47 | Tupone | ~tupone |
| 22:15.48 | ibot | rumour has it, tupone is the fellow who put SDL in BZFlag! how can you not know him! |
| 22:15.56 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:15.56 | wizatmac | ~wizatmac |
| 22:16.12 | devster | is it worth compiling it with it in? |
| 22:16.18 | wizatmac | at least respond with "i know nothing about you" |
| 22:16.23 | wizatmac | devster: i think it's required |
| 22:16.23 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 22:16.24 | Tupone | devster: what platform |
| 22:17.17 | devster | its only for a server on linux |
| 22:17.24 | JeffM2501 | then no |
| 22:17.29 | JeffM2501 | SDL is a client thingy |
| 22:17.37 | devster | ok |
| 22:20.07 | Tegan | JeffM2501 are polls disabled on the "Servers: General Discussion" subforum? |
| 22:20.25 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 22:20.27 | JeffM2501 | let me lok |
| 22:20.58 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:21.07 | Tegan | okay |
| 22:21.10 | Tegan | thanks for looking |
| 22:21.17 | JeffM2501 | I turned em on |
| 22:21.23 | Tegan | oh |
| 22:21.29 | Tegan | okay thanks |
| 22:21.38 | JeffM2501 | I don't think they were suposed to be off |
| 22:23.24 | devster | off topic for the chan, but with athlon x2 ratings, is the rating for each core or both cores together? |
| 22:24.13 | JeffM2501 | I belive is per core |
| 22:24.19 | JeffM2501 | my 3800 runs each core at 2.2 gig |
| 22:24.40 | devster | 3800 is 2.0 isnt it ? |
| 22:24.57 | JeffM2501 | it's a bit above 2 IIRC |
| 22:24.58 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 22:25.17 | devster | just that 3800 seems high for 2ghz but way too low for 2x2ghz |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM2501 | the number isn't reliive to a speed anymore |
| 22:25.49 | JeffM2501 | not on AMD or intell |
| 22:25.52 | JeffM2501 | it's just a number |
| 22:26.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm at like 2.01ghz it seems |
| 22:26.20 | devster | yea but it cant be much different than the athlon64 ratings |
| 22:26.31 | JeffM2501 | sure it can |
| 22:26.35 | JeffM2501 | it's marketing speak :) |
| 22:26.48 | devster | hehe |
| 22:26.51 | JeffM2501 | are you trying to compare a X2 to a regular one? |
| 22:27.38 | devster | the ratings yes |
| 22:27.52 | JeffM2501 | it's hard to compare them, the X2's changed more then jsut adding another core |
| 22:28.02 | devster | hmm k |
| 22:28.03 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think they match clock to clock with the non X2's of the same rating |
| 22:28.12 | JeffM2501 | what are you looking at getting? |
| 22:28.20 | devster | i got a 3800 |
| 22:28.27 | devster | just waiting on vid card/ram/psu |
| 22:28.46 | JeffM2501 | X2 or single? |
| 22:29.35 | devster | yea x2 |
| 22:29.52 | JeffM2501 | a single core CPU can be faster for some things |
| 22:29.58 | JeffM2501 | specificly single threaded apps |
| 22:30.00 | JeffM2501 | like most games |
| 22:30.13 | JeffM2501 | but the dual core runs well |
| 22:30.20 | JeffM2501 | specialy if you do more then one thing at a time |
| 22:30.24 | devster | yea |
| 22:30.29 | devster | you got windows or linux on it? |
| 22:30.35 | JeffM2501 | windows |
| 22:30.37 | blast007 | compile bzflag while playing bzflag ;) |
| 22:30.44 | JeffM2501 | I have get to find a linux install that will install on it |
| 22:30.54 | JeffM2501 | and make sure your mobo SAYS it supports the X2 |
| 22:30.57 | JeffM2501 | what mobo did you get? |
| 22:31.06 | JeffM2501 | blast007, I've done that |
| 22:31.13 | JeffM2501 | and not really seen a drop |
| 22:31.19 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:31.24 | devster | abit an8 ultra |
| 22:31.33 | JeffM2501 | that sould be fine |
| 22:31.39 | JeffM2501 | you probably paid enough for it :) |
| 22:31.51 | devster | was relatively cheap |
| 22:32.01 | JeffM2501 | how much? |
| 22:32.25 | devster | £80 |
| 22:32.43 | devster | unless u mean the X2 :P |
| 22:32.44 | JeffM2501 | ahhh it's the non SLI |
| 22:32.44 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:32.55 | devster | yea |
| 22:32.56 | JeffM2501 | that's a prety good price for it |
| 22:33.00 | JeffM2501 | I have a gigabyte |
| 22:33.12 | JeffM2501 | the abit one for me was gonna be like 225$USD |
| 22:33.25 | devster | sli? |
| 22:33.35 | JeffM2501 | 2 video cards |
| 22:33.38 | JeffM2501 | in SLI mode |
| 22:33.51 | devster | i know, i meant has yours got SLI support |
| 22:33.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:34.08 | JeffM2501 | but I was comparing it to the abit SLI |
| 22:34.16 | JeffM2501 | the one I got was 90$usd |
| 22:34.21 | devster | ah k |
| 22:34.23 | JeffM2501 | and has the exact same features |
| 22:34.50 | devster | http://www.abit.com.tw/page/uk/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=AN8+Ultra&fMTYPE=Socket%20939 |
| 22:34.53 | devster | thats the one i got |
| 22:35.54 | JeffM2501 | looks cool |
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| 22:36.35 | devster | hopefully the heatpipe will be enough for cooling |
| 22:36.44 | JeffM2501 | as far as linux goes, nvidia dosn't have linux drivers for the mobo yet |
| 22:36.45 | JeffM2501 | so it can be fun |
| 22:36.55 | JeffM2501 | what video card did you get? |
| 22:37.26 | devster | 6600gt extreme edition |
| 22:37.39 | devster | 7xxx ones are too expensive for my wallet :) |
| 22:37.50 | JeffM2501 | they can cost a bit |
| 22:38.06 | JeffM2501 | the 6600gt is passable |
| 22:38.19 | JeffM2501 | that's what I have for now |
| 22:38.25 | JeffM2501 | till I can get a couple 6800's |
| 22:38.58 | devster | i think having 2 is only worth it if you play games 24/7 |
| 22:39.02 | devster | or near to that :) |
| 22:39.13 | JeffM2501 | time dosn't have much to do with it |
| 22:39.25 | JeffM2501 | but yes, only some games work with SLI mode |
| 22:39.35 | JeffM2501 | and no SLI in linux for right now |
| 22:39.48 | JeffM2501 | but then my video cards were free |
| 22:39.52 | JeffM2501 | well these ones were |
| 22:40.01 | JeffM2501 | I had to pay for the plain 6600 non GTs |
| 22:40.43 | JeffM2501 | still probably shoulda got a single 6800 |
| 22:45.50 | devster | yea |
| 22:45.50 | devster | i expect they'll move to an X2 equivalent for video cards in a few years |
| 22:46.06 | JeffM2501 | there are allready dual GPU cards |
| 22:46.13 | devster | can you set a config file for bzfs? |
| 22:46.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:46.27 | devster | damn lag |
| 22:46.28 | JeffM2501 | -config |
| 22:46.46 | devster | i meant how do you make the config file |
| 22:46.51 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:47.04 | JeffM2501 | it is just command line options in a file |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM2501 | there is a simple |
| 22:47.10 | JeffM2501 | in /misc |
| 22:47.15 | JeffM2501 | in the source distro |
| 22:47.31 | devster | ah k |
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| 23:03.08 | devster | where are the world files? |
| 23:04.23 | JeffM2501 | wherever you put them |
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| 23:07.30 | devster | i didnt put them anywhere |
| 23:07.41 | JeffM2501 | then you don't have any :) |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM2501 | we don't ship them with the source |
| 23:07.58 | devster | where you get some then :) |
| 23:07.59 | JeffM2501 | well other then one |
| 23:08.01 | JeffM2501 | hix |
| 23:08.04 | JeffM2501 | bzbb has many |
| 23:08.09 | devster | .com? |
| 23:08.13 | JeffM2501 | or just login to a server with the game |
| 23:08.19 | JeffM2501 | and do -saveworld |
| 23:08.21 | JeffM2501 | or /saveworld |
| 23:08.32 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb/ is the fourms |
| 23:08.38 | JeffM2501 | there are maping sections |
| 23:08.41 | devster | ah k |
| 23:08.54 | RPG_ | DTRemenak: In BZ, with force feedback on, when I die, I don't "rumble", but instead my wheel turns all the way to the left |
| 23:09.01 | RPG_ | and stays there |
| 23:09.07 | RPG_ | until i respawn |
| 23:09.17 | devster | is there a way of making the server run in the background? |
| 23:09.44 | RPG_ | i was on directional mode! |
| 23:09.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/plugins/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:09.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: HoldTheFlag plugin: Get callsigns of existing players when plugin is loaded. |
| 23:09.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: API Docs: fix return value of bz_getPlayerByIndex() |
| 23:10.05 | JeffM2501 | devster, depends on your OS, in linux, I recomend screen |
| 23:10.23 | devster | ah so no option |
| 23:10.31 | JeffM2501 | it's not an "us" thing |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM2501 | we arn't a deamon or service |
| 23:10.56 | RPG_ | wait no, i was on rumble |
| 23:11.24 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, IIRC dtr has little hardware to test FF with, so he basicly just guessed at settings :) |
| 23:11.35 | RPG_ | aah |
| 23:11.40 | RPG_ | i guess i'll fine tune them |
| 23:12.41 | Ice_Wewe | how come my server wont let me replay things? |
| 23:12.47 | Ice_Wewe | it keeps Seg Faulting |
| 23:12.52 | Ice_Wewe | I recorded it |
| 23:13.09 | Ice_Wewe | then I switched it to replay mode, and when I try to connect to watch it, it seg faults! |
| 23:13.22 | Ice_Wewe | (the server that is) |
| 23:13.35 | JeffM2501 | ummm it has a bug? |
| 23:13.39 | Ice_Wewe | oh ok |
| 23:13.43 | Ice_Wewe | any idea what it might be? |
| 23:14.02 | JeffM2501 | it's accessing memory it shouldn't |
| 23:14.09 | Ice_Wewe | I see |
| 23:14.11 | Ice_Wewe | and why is that? |
| 23:14.20 | JeffM2501 | because some code is wrong |
| 23:14.25 | Ice_Wewe | ahhh |
| 23:14.25 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 23:14.48 | Ice_Wewe | Map size: uncompressed = 16556, compressed = 1761 |
| 23:14.48 | Ice_Wewe | Player [200] accept() from 127.0.0.1:48688 on 5 |
| 23:14.49 | Ice_Wewe | Segmentation fault |
| 23:14.57 | Ice_Wewe | there is some of the debug output |
| 23:15.04 | Ice_Wewe | so is it an error in code? |
| 23:15.17 | JeffM2501 | well yeah, all crashes are errors |
| 23:15.26 | JeffM2501 | in a perfect set of code it would never crash |
| 23:15.45 | Ice_Wewe | so if I tried to run this command on a non CVS bzflag version it might work? |
| 23:16.03 | JeffM2501 | your guess is as good as mine |
| 23:16.10 | JeffM2501 | since you don't know where the bug is |
| 23:16.18 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 23:19.33 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: nuts, it fails on a CVS build on another box from a month aho |
| 23:19.33 | Ice_Wewe | ago* |
| 23:19.43 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I guess I could try it on a stable version |
| 23:19.45 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 23:19.52 | JeffM2501 | then what ever bug your hitting has been around for a while |
| 23:20.09 | Ice_Wewe | I see |
| 23:22.57 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: just went to check on an online server (as in listed on the list server), and 2.0.3 does not contain the bug |
| 23:23.10 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: or they've managed to code around it |
| 23:23.58 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 23:24.36 | trepan | Ice_Wewe: did you read the server warnings? |
| 23:24.44 | trepan | rejoin after loading a recording |
| 23:25.22 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: server warnings? |
| 23:25.33 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: the server Seg Faults as I am connecting |
| 23:25.40 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: no connection is ever made really |
| 23:26.00 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: if those are not the answers you are looking for, then please explain in more detail |
| 23:26.02 | trepan | ah, the server segs, not the client... which os? |
| 23:26.56 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: Mandriva 2006, and 2005LE (the 2006 BZFlag build is 2.0.5.20051014-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL) (the 2005LE BZFlag build is 2.0.3.20050911-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL) |
| 23:27.02 | Ice_Wewe | Linux |
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| 23:27.17 | Ice_Wewe | both seg fault |
| 23:27.29 | Ice_Wewe | am now trying it on 2.0.2 STABLE non CVS on my lappy |
| 23:27.29 | Ice_Wewe | brb |
| 23:28.05 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: the error I get in Mac OS X is "Bus Error" |
| 23:28.15 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: it too fails to replay properly |
| 23:28.34 | trepan | dunno, make friends with gdb |
| 23:29.01 | Ice_Wewe | 2.0.1-20050317-DEVEL-darwin7.8.0-SDL |
| 23:29.10 | Ice_Wewe | that is the version on my lappy |
| 23:29.16 | Ice_Wewe | gdb? |
| 23:29.24 | Ice_Wewe | programming language, or person? |
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| 23:32.45 | Ice_Wewe | nuts |
| 23:32.50 | Ice_Wewe | I locked myself out of my channel! |
| 23:34.33 | Ice_Wewe | how do I sovle that one? |
| 23:35.29 | JeffM2501 | your freenode channel? |
| 23:35.43 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: yes |
| 23:35.59 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I had chanserv guard it for me, but he didn't give my ops back... |
| 23:36.02 | JeffM2501 | and this would be #freenode how? |
| 23:36.19 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: its at #bzfrag |
| 23:36.24 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 23:36.37 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: what about exactly? I locked myself out!!! |
| 23:36.44 | Ice_Wewe | oh its painfully funny |
| 23:37.19 | JeffM2501 | exactly was saying this isn't #freenode, but #bzflag |
| 23:37.41 | Ice_Wewe | ok... |
| 23:37.42 | JeffM2501 | if you have a problem with the IRC netowork, then best would be to ask the people who support it for help |
| 23:37.47 | Ice_Wewe | so any ideas? |
| 23:37.53 | Ice_Wewe | chanserv wont let me identify |
| 23:37.55 | JeffM2501 | your kidding right? |
| 23:37.59 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 23:38.04 | JeffM2501 | just go ask the bloddy admins in #freenode |
| 23:38.10 | Ice_Wewe | ok ok ok |
| 23:38.14 | JeffM2501 | they are the only ones who can fix chanserver |
| 23:38.17 | JeffM2501 | we have no power over it |
| 23:38.25 | Ice_Wewe | ok ok ok |
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| 23:39.22 | Ice_Wewe | * #freenode :Cannot send to channel |
| 23:39.30 | Ice_Wewe | aparntally they don't want to hear from me |
| 23:39.43 | devster | congrats :P |
| 23:40.06 | Silent_Swan | well, what did you do to them? :) |
| 23:40.18 | Ice_Wewe | nothing |
| 23:40.19 | Ice_Wewe | bbl |
| 23:40.23 | JeffM2501 | idiot |
| 23:40.26 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.30 | Ice_Wewe | ohhh |
| 23:40.32 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 23:40.44 | Silent_Swan | i wouldn't know, i've never been |
| 23:41.46 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, you are going to have to use your brain at some point and start reading for yourself |
| 23:41.51 | JeffM2501 | read the topic in that channel |
| 23:42.38 | Silent_Swan | someone having a bad day? |
| 23:42.59 | JeffM2501 | today is a good day |
| 23:43.05 | JeffM2501 | it's about to rain, and I have strawberys |
| 23:43.10 | Silent_Swan | ah |
| 23:43.22 | Silent_Swan | i have a bit of SNS i'm coming down with |
| 23:43.34 | purple_cow | brains are for scientists and zombies |
| 23:43.40 | JeffM2501 | mmmmmm zombies |
| 23:45.22 | Silent_Swan | brb - hoping my pasta is done |
| 23:46.01 | wizatmac | where does the /saveworld put the mapfile in mac os x? |
| 23:46.11 | JeffM2501 | where ever it tells you when it saves it :) |
| 23:46.19 | wizatmac | wonderful |
| 23:46.28 | JeffM2501 | it'll print it |
| 23:46.31 | JeffM2501 | so save another one |
| 23:46.35 | JeffM2501 | it'll be the same place |
| 23:46.44 | JeffM2501 | brb |
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| 23:47.23 | wizatmac | you wer erigh |
| 23:47.24 | wizatmac | were right |
| 23:48.35 | wizatmac | wow |
| 23:48.40 | wizatmac | this bzw file is 1.6 mb |
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