| 00:02.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 00:02.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added Game Start and End events. Added formatted debug and sendTextMessage |
| 00:03.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: functions. |
| 00:03.01 | menotume | I will update the docs tonight ^^^ |
| 00:03.10 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:03.14 | menotume | JeffM2501: what did you use to edit the doc htmls ? |
| 00:03.31 | JeffM2501 | dreamweaver |
| 00:03.36 | menotume | ewww :) |
| 00:03.47 | blast007 | better than Frontpage ;) |
| 00:03.54 | JeffM2501 | hell yeah it is |
| 00:04.03 | JeffM2501 | I like it better then go-live as well |
| 00:04.17 | menotume | if I just text edit them, will dreamweaver get upset ? |
| 00:04.17 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm sure golive is a great product, I just didn't "get" it |
| 00:04.22 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 00:04.26 | menotume | okies |
| 00:04.34 | JeffM2501 | DW dosn't put anything special in |
| 00:04.46 | menotume | nice |
| 00:04.49 | JeffM2501 | basicly I edit the code raw, and just use DW to see how it looks |
| 00:04.58 | JeffM2501 | and then pick fonts and stuff |
| 00:05.06 | JeffM2501 | DW has this cool split code/layout view |
| 00:05.23 | JeffM2501 | so you see what the code does as you enter it |
| 00:05.32 | menotume | ohhh, nice |
| 00:05.42 | JeffM2501 | they have tools for making tables and stuff too |
| 00:05.46 | blast007 | I like how it does the autocomplete stuff, and how it can manage your CSS stuff |
| 00:05.48 | JeffM2501 | but you don't have to use em |
| 00:05.48 | menotume | i think i have it (somewhere) |
| 00:05.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:06.00 | JeffM2501 | it's a well designed tool |
| 00:06.05 | blast007 | yup |
| 00:06.27 | menotume | there may be another use for windoze :) |
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| 00:16.20 | JeffM2501 | be interesting to see what happens after adobie buys them |
| 00:25.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/ (events.html functions.html): Document API additions. |
| 00:25.51 | menotume | when it comes to documentation, if I don't do it now, i may never do it :) |
| 00:44.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx plugins/doc/events.html): rename a field before someone starts using it :) |
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| 00:53.47 | Silent_Swan | i'm very proud of myself.... i didn't yell at anyone. i didn't throw anything. i didn't break anything. I was very calm and collected. |
| 00:53.51 | Silent_Swan | But i will NEVER |
| 00:53.52 | Silent_Swan | EVER |
| 00:53.56 | Silent_Swan | give Fry's my business |
| 00:54.15 | Tegan | I say that every time I go there |
| 00:54.22 | Silent_Swan | i have never seen such incompetence |
| 00:54.27 | Silent_Swan | utter morons |
| 00:55.15 | Silent_Swan | all i did was say "I'm going where people have a clue".... they said nothing, just stared, open-mouthed and drooling |
| 00:55.45 | Silent_Swan | you can keep that feather... it was about to fall out anyway |
| 00:56.00 | Silent_Swan | hehe |
| 00:56.48 | Silent_Swan | i'd call and complain, but it won't do any good |
| 00:56.50 | JeffM2501 | that would be the common fry's experience |
| 00:57.10 | JeffM2501 | shoping it at fry's is like a military surgical strike |
| 00:57.14 | Silent_Swan | for every customer that complains, there are 20 others with a wad of cash ready to plop it down |
| 00:57.23 | JeffM2501 | you have to know exactly what you want, and be fast about it |
| 00:57.29 | Silent_Swan | oh i did |
| 00:57.30 | Silent_Swan | and i was |
| 00:57.40 | orange | aw, man, that's my favorite store |
| 00:57.40 | Silent_Swan | the idiots at the checkout counter were what ruined it |
| 00:57.41 | JeffM2501 | and you have to shoot people till you get what you want |
| 00:57.46 | Tegan | earplugs don't hurt, either |
| 00:57.52 | orange | actually, I've never even seen one |
| 00:58.00 | JeffM2501 | you can get the same deals usualy at outpost.com |
| 00:58.00 | orange | west coast? |
| 00:58.05 | Silent_Swan | apparently, they could not grasp the complexities of accepting payment by check |
| 00:58.09 | JeffM2501 | ooooooo |
| 00:58.11 | JeffM2501 | no no no |
| 00:58.16 | JeffM2501 | NEVER EVER EVER PAY by checke |
| 00:58.20 | JeffM2501 | they call the bank |
| 00:58.21 | Silent_Swan | well... |
| 00:58.23 | JeffM2501 | and stuff like that |
| 00:58.25 | JeffM2501 | it's lame |
| 00:58.26 | Silent_Swan | no they don't |
| 00:58.35 | Silent_Swan | i bought one other thing there once and had no problem |
| 00:58.42 | JeffM2501 | I've waited hours for them to do a cheke thing |
| 00:58.43 | Silent_Swan | but i refuse to use credit cards anymore |
| 00:58.55 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the debit card :) |
| 00:58.56 | Tegan | it takes them a half-hour just to approve a cash payment, IMO |
| 00:59.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:59.08 | JeffM2501 | they hate to actualy SELL anything |
| 00:59.14 | Silent_Swan | debit card would work, only my bank f'ed something up so it won't work right |
| 00:59.22 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 00:59.23 | Silent_Swan | i'll be switching banks, too |
| 00:59.29 | Silent_Swan | more idiots |
| 00:59.40 | JeffM2501 | truer words have never been spoken |
| 01:00.11 | Tegan | orange: no, both coasts, and probably in between too |
| 01:00.15 | JeffM2501 | what did they have a deal on? |
| 01:00.21 | Silent_Swan | sadly, they have invaded the midwest |
| 01:00.29 | Silent_Swan | nothing in particular |
| 01:00.36 | JeffM2501 | you know what they started out selling right? |
| 01:00.45 | Silent_Swan | no |
| 01:00.47 | Tegan | groceries? |
| 01:00.48 | JeffM2501 | food |
| 01:00.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:00.51 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 01:00.56 | Tegan | chips is chips |
| 01:00.57 | Silent_Swan | maybe they should have stuck with that |
| 01:00.57 | JeffM2501 | then they started carying small electronics |
| 01:01.14 | JeffM2501 | now it's electronics and small groceries |
| 01:01.20 | JeffM2501 | some still do |
| 01:01.26 | JeffM2501 | in AZ there are fry's that just do food |
| 01:01.27 | JeffM2501 | it's wierd |
| 01:01.28 | Tegan | corn chips, potato chips, sililcon chips |
| 01:01.36 | Tegan | silicon* |
| 01:02.02 | Silent_Swan | i still can't believe i didn't explode... maybe the futility of it all has worn me down |
| 01:02.16 | Silent_Swan | <- very foul tempered sometimes... |
| 01:02.17 | Silent_Swan | grr |
| 01:02.18 | JeffM2501 | maybe it wasn't worth it |
| 01:02.21 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 01:02.27 | JeffM2501 | they'd just hire more drones |
| 01:02.47 | JeffM2501 | for all that you kill |
| 01:03.00 | JeffM2501 | like a zergling rush |
| 01:03.20 | Silent_Swan | well... so far no one has asked me if i wanted cheese with my whine :) |
| 01:03.22 | Tegan | remember space invaders? |
| 01:03.47 | Tegan | it's on of the better vintages |
| 01:03.54 | Tegan | s/on/one/ |
| 01:03.55 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, that is because we understand |
| 01:03.58 | Tegan | (rented fingers) |
| 01:03.59 | Silent_Swan | yes, it's been fermenting a while... |
| 01:04.03 | Silent_Swan | approximately 32 years |
| 01:04.18 | JeffM2501 | sounds like a good vintage |
| 01:04.37 | SportChick | orange: ping |
| 01:04.38 | Silent_Swan | well aged, but still very bitter |
| 01:04.49 | JeffM2501 | the best ones are |
| 01:05.09 | Silent_Swan | knew there was a reason i still smoke... brb |
| 01:05.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/server/ (8 files in 3 dirs): mehh |
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| 01:09.24 | Silent_Swan | ok... all better now |
| 01:09.44 | orange | SportChick: pong |
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| 01:16.55 | Silent_Swan | i'd studied this particular piece extensively back in my music theory studies... could probably write out all the parts from memory |
| 01:34.02 | Silent_Swan | pity |
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| 01:34.20 | Silent_Swan | a magnificent yet underrated work |
| 01:34.53 | Silent_Swan | Carl Maria von Weber had suggested that it was a sign that Beethoven was insane |
| 01:34.58 | Silent_Swan | so it must be good |
| 01:36.27 | Silent_Swan | no sane mind could produce such a work of genius |
| 01:37.55 | Aribeth | ahh yes |
| 01:37.57 | Tegan | yeah he probably found a copy in the future and took it back with him |
| 01:38.05 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 01:38.25 | Silent_Swan | Tegan perhaps the bbc still has some for download... i recall a while back they were offering free downloads of all 9 beethoven symphonies |
| 01:39.46 | Tegan | that was easy to find... and it was a 7-day limited deal, with no plans to be repeated. |
| 01:39.54 | Silent_Swan | oh :( |
| 01:40.08 | Tegan | but thanks, it could've worked |
| 01:40.35 | Silent_Swan | time to fire up bit torrent, eh? :) |
| 01:41.12 | Tegan | sleepytime |
| 01:41.22 | Silent_Swan | goodnight then |
| 01:41.32 | Tegan | guten Nacht |
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| 01:49.35 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 01:49.45 | Aribeth | hello SS |
| 01:49.49 | menotume | darn peers |
| 01:49.53 | Silent_Swan | hey |
| 01:49.57 | Silent_Swan | yeah, i hate my peers |
| 01:50.07 | Silent_Swan | they're incompetent boobs |
| 01:50.12 | menotume | lol |
| 01:50.12 | Silent_Swan | but that's another story |
| 01:50.23 | Aribeth | peers to the right of me, peers to the left... |
| 01:50.39 | menotume | here i am , stuck in the middle with you |
| 01:50.46 | Aribeth | y4ep |
| 01:50.54 | Silent_Swan | menotume sandwich |
| 01:51.03 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 01:51.08 | menotume | yum :) |
| 01:51.15 | Silent_Swan | wonder if it's any better than the tuna salad i had for lunch |
| 01:51.17 | Aribeth | Stelers Wheel |
| 01:51.30 | Aribeth | duno |
| 01:52.36 | Silent_Swan | any clown without a chainsaw is no clown |
| 01:54.07 | Silent_Swan | life is a maze.. they always say to keep to the left, and i do |
| 01:54.44 | Silent_Swan | but that doesn't stop me from peeking over the walls to get a glimpse of the cheese |
| 01:55.03 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 01:55.21 | Aribeth | they can make it hard if you dont step to the right |
| 01:55.45 | Aribeth | me too |
| 01:57.20 | Silent_Swan | one mustn't forget that the rats know where the cheese is and will do everything to get to it, regardless of who they kill in their quest |
| 01:57.33 | Silent_Swan | whether they follow the left, the right, or the center |
| 01:58.40 | Silent_Swan | Aribeth did any of your auctions sell yet? |
| 01:59.09 | Aribeth | the powerbook did. there are 4 watchers on thew ultra 80 |
| 01:59.13 | Silent_Swan | ah ok |
| 02:01.36 | Silent_Swan | havn't had enough beethoven yet... on to the 4th movement of the 9th symphony... |
| 02:08.12 | bryjen | !seen ibot |
| 02:08.12 | TheLastSpartan | bryjen: ibot was last seen here 11 hours, 52 minutes, and 32 seconds ago saying: <ibot> possible spellings for competant: competent competing combatant compliant competency complaint Compton competently competence competed component computing Compton's |
| 02:14.57 | orange | ibot: hello |
| 02:14.59 | ibot | Howdy Bub |
| 02:15.06 | orange | !seen ibot |
| 02:15.07 | TheLastSpartan | orange: ibot was last seen here 7 seconds ago saying: <ibot> Howdy Bub |
| 02:15.09 | orange | ah |
| 02:15.52 | menotume | orange is a fruit |
| 02:16.56 | bryjen | ewww |
| 02:17.03 | menotume | orange is sour |
| 02:17.53 | bryjen | tart ;) |
| 02:19.37 | menotume | just one eye |
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| 03:25.18 | SportChick | orange: ping-a-ling |
| 03:44.22 | orange | SportChick: repong |
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| 03:55.34 | DTRemenak | whoops |
| 03:55.37 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:02.24 | Aribeth | spammm |
| 04:02.26 | Aribeth | :P |
| 04:23.59 | JeffM2501 | why does my mutant power never fail to find what other poeple need, but never what I need for myself? |
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| 04:24.43 | JeffM2501 | good morrow |
| 04:24.48 | Silent_Swan | hiya |
| 04:25.21 | Silent_Swan | sorry, just trying to imagine how you'd look with those temporary tatoos :) |
| 04:25.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:25.41 | JeffM2501 | where did you imagine them? |
| 04:25.53 | Silent_Swan | um |
| 04:25.54 | Silent_Swan | eh |
| 04:25.56 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 04:26.03 | JeffM2501 | heh :0 |
| 04:26.16 | JeffM2501 | damn and I can't even type :) on this keyboard |
| 04:26.20 | purple_cow | on your face! |
| 04:26.22 | JeffM2501 | should get a new one |
| 04:26.26 | Silent_Swan | forgive the swan - she's had a few long island iced teas |
| 04:26.40 | JeffM2501 | those are rather good |
| 04:26.44 | JeffM2501 | no tea in them tho |
| 04:26.45 | Silent_Swan | oh yeah |
| 04:26.48 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 04:26.54 | JeffM2501 | just like there is no twilight in a twilight zone |
| 04:26.57 | brlcad | trepan: can a drawinfolod have multiple drawinfocmd's? |
| 04:27.35 | brlcad | trepan: er, can a drawinfolod have multiple drawinfoset's and can a drawinfoset have multiple drawinfocmds.. |
| 04:28.14 | trepan | lods -> sets -> cmds (they can be repeated) |
| 04:28.38 | brlcad | trepan: thx |
| 04:29.00 | trepan | set <-> matref (a material set) |
| 04:34.48 | JeffM2501 | and hopefully wake up well |
| 04:34.54 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 04:35.01 | Silent_Swan | my employer would be grateful |
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| 04:38.13 | Silent_Swan | i'd stumble into bed, but i don't *dare* lay down for a while... |
| 04:38.41 | JeffM2501 | never get back up? |
| 04:38.57 | Silent_Swan | die ganze Welt spinnt |
| 04:39.05 | Silent_Swan | no, i'd probably puke haha |
| 04:39.14 | Silent_Swan | i should take a walk |
| 04:39.15 | JeffM2501 | no es bueno |
| 04:40.04 | Silent_Swan | gotta stop doing this to myself... ok, i'll have a walk... |
| 04:40.06 | Silent_Swan | i'm out.. bye |
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| 05:05.12 | teh_conqerer | long island ice teas are a silent killer :-P |
| 05:11.00 | SportChick | orange: reping |
| 05:11.27 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 05:11.30 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 82°F. |
| 05:12.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:13.51 | SportChick | orange: if you or silverfox see this, someone modified the wiki map so the bases are too hi and flags cannot be capped |
| 05:20.14 | purple_cow | move here! |
| 05:20.16 | purple_cow | !weather 80302 |
| 05:20.18 | TheLastSpartan | purple_cow: The current temperature in Boulder, Colorado (80302) is 28°F. |
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| 05:40.34 | lan56 | ahh I was wondering what happened to guu :) |
| 05:40.55 | JeffM2501 | name change |
| 05:40.57 | JeffM2501 | a while ago |
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| 05:55.35 | lan56 | I see |
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| 06:45.57 | lan56 | gnight |
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| 07:08.51 | defcon8 | wow thats about the most meaningless quit message i have ever seen |
| 07:09.14 | ruskie | lol |
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| 07:48.13 | LePoulpe303 | i'm looking for someone to test a thing for me : must use linux and have python installed |
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| 08:16.44 | LePoulpe303 | Hi Upsetter ! :) |
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| 11:12.26 | Naka | Anyone here a silvercat admin? |
| 11:13.19 | meacan | yes |
| 11:13.41 | Naka | Im banned for some reason, but I don't see how since I dont play at silvercat |
| 11:14.15 | Naka | "Redbull" Abusing the admins and the like Jomojo |
| 11:14.24 | Naka | thats what it told me |
| 11:15.19 | Naka | "redbull" abusive to admins and others alike by jomojo |
| 11:19.21 | Chestal | Naka: there was a rather unspecific ban, try again please |
| 11:19.37 | Naka | sure |
| 11:20.00 | Naka | My name is BIYA so I just use this name to talk on the IRC |
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| 11:22.49 | Naka | k It works now :D |
| 11:29.18 | Pimpinella | ~bzfrag diff |
| 11:29.21 | ibot | ACTION destroys diff with a guided missle |
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| 13:13.29 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat if you just want to chat || paste errors to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || BZFlag 2.0.4 Released! |
| 13:13.29 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 13:16.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): new command /checkip <ip> to test whether and why a given IP is banned; does not cover hostbans; requires banlist permission |
| 13:17.15 | TheRedBaron | Did the spawn code change in 2.0.4? |
| 13:18.04 | Chestal | ChangeLog says that some parameters of spawn algo are now bzdb vars, so they can be set by server admin |
| 13:18.22 | TheRedBaron | Thats what I read... |
| 13:18.38 | Chestal | so the default should be the same |
| 13:18.52 | TheRedBaron | Alot of people are complaining the spawns have changed |
| 13:18.59 | TheRedBaron | I don't see there point of complaint |
| 13:19.02 | TheRedBaron | *their |
| 13:19.33 | TheRedBaron | my only question about spawns is. Does the code factor tanks that are in the air? |
| 13:19.58 | Chestal | I think so, would have to look at the code for details |
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| 13:20.50 | TheRedBaron | ok |
| 13:21.37 | TheRedBaron | but it seems to me. that often when you are in the air, jumping on to a building or falling off one. Behold some one spawns below and receives points from heaven |
| 13:21.52 | LePoulpe303 | anyone has an idea why i have this message Unknown option -directory /usr/share/bzflag/. when starting bzflag from a program under linux ? |
| 13:24.23 | jpa- | are you giving some parameters to bzflag? |
| 13:24.39 | LePoulpe303 | yep ; a bunch |
| 13:24.43 | Chestal | looks like you pass "-directory /usr/share/bzflag" as one parameter instead of two |
| 13:24.45 | jpa- | how? |
| 13:24.48 | LePoulpe303 | and -directory is the first one |
| 13:24.52 | jpa- | Chestal: just thought the same |
| 13:24.57 | LePoulpe303 | omg |
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| 13:27.00 | LePoulpe303 | nope ; i'm telled that there's a space between -dir and the dir |
| 13:27.48 | jpa- | LePoulpe303: so how do you start bzflag? |
| 13:27.52 | jpa- | in the program |
| 13:28.17 | LePoulpe303 | it's in python |
| 13:28.22 | LePoulpe303 | and curious, works under windows |
| 13:28.27 | LePoulpe303 | but not linux |
| 13:28.46 | jpa- | yeah |
| 13:28.50 | jpa- | so show us the source! |
| 13:29.18 | LePoulpe303 | k |
| 13:29.25 | LePoulpe303 | (cleaning a bit the thing) |
| 13:34.21 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1795 |
| 13:34.26 | LePoulpe303 | tabs are not all ok |
| 13:34.32 | LePoulpe303 | but i was too lazy |
| 13:35.06 | Chestal | TheRedBaron: for proximity calc, I think it uses 3D distance, so if there is a big height difference, x/y coordinates are allowed to be closer |
| 13:35.31 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : basically i use params list to hold the list to pass to spawnv |
| 13:35.50 | jpa- | LePoulpe303: ok.. |
| 13:35.52 | Chestal | you probably have to add it with two params.append calls |
| 13:36.09 | jpa- | yep |
| 13:36.21 | *** join/#bzflag CapN (n=capnfroo@70-33-168-70.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 13:36.37 | jpa- | when shell intreprets "-directory /usr/share/bzflag" it makes it two parameters to the program |
| 13:36.41 | Chestal | that is, if params is some kidn of list, I do not speak python. ANd omit the leading./trailing blanks |
| 13:36.46 | LePoulpe303 | the man that makes the linux programming tell me that when he removes -directory param it has the same message withthe following param |
| 13:36.46 | jpa- | "-directory" "/usr/share/bzflag" |
| 13:36.48 | Chestal | hi CapN |
| 13:36.54 | CapN | hi chestal |
| 13:37.00 | jpa- | LePoulpe303: yeah |
| 13:37.03 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : oh ok |
| 13:38.05 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : seems not unlogical now i know it :) |
| 13:38.34 | jpa- | :) |
| 13:38.46 | jpa- | i wonder why it works on windows.. |
| 13:38.51 | LePoulpe303 | (waiting for my mate to tell me the result) |
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| 13:41.21 | Chestal | TheRedBaron: for proximity calc, I think it uses 3D distance, so if there is a big height difference, x/y coordinates are allowed to be closer |
| 13:42.06 | TheRedBaron | Chestal: that explains alot. Thanks |
| 13:42.35 | TheRedBaron | I think my experience has it that I play on "crowded servers" Gamesunited, and silvercat |
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| 13:44.11 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : i should never have taken a total python newbie for linux port :D |
| 13:44.32 | jpa- | why not? |
| 13:44.35 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : i was charmed by sirens saying "Portability ! Multiplatform" |
| 13:45.13 | jpa- | i don't think python newbieism hurts much, if he is used to linux |
| 13:46.12 | LePoulpe303 | nope ; but collaborative developpement with someone that discover totally language and IDE is difficult ; and, furthermore , he uses debian ! |
| 13:46.27 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : i'm afraid that (with your authorization) you'll be quoted in the about box :D |
| 13:46.39 | LePoulpe303 | seems to work |
| 13:47.00 | jpa- | feel free to :) |
| 13:47.37 | LePoulpe303 | "server must go after all option" i think he has put the mess in the thing ; this will be nothing to correct :D |
| 13:51.06 | LePoulpe303 | that's very annoying : windows version is working since a week now ; one week just to install all python and wxpython mess on debian , install boa , and screw all the things that goes down |
| 13:53.31 | jpa- | bad english makes co-operation difficult :) |
| 13:53.54 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 13:53.59 | LePoulpe303 | we are french |
| 13:54.01 | LePoulpe303 | :D |
| 13:54.24 | LePoulpe303 | he's on north , and i'm from east and living at south, but this is not an explication :D |
| 13:55.07 | jpa- | :) |
| 13:57.52 | LePoulpe303 | (explanation , not explication : you were speaking about bad english) |
| 13:57.56 | *** part/#bzflag CapN (n=capnfroo@70-33-168-70.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 14:04.37 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : may i quickly talk to you in pv ? |
| 14:04.46 | TheRedBaron | nope |
| 14:05.00 | jpa- | feel free to |
| 14:05.11 | jpa- | but when i get annoyed i'll stop answering :) |
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| 16:02.03 | defcon8 | how do you do bots on bzflag again? |
| 16:02.26 | JeffM2501 | run the client with -solo # |
| 16:02.34 | JeffM2501 | where # = the number of bots you want |
| 16:03.41 | defcon8 | thanks |
| 16:03.56 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 16:28.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: API: Don't send part event if not a real player. |
| 16:29.22 | JeffM2501 | yay, somone else works on API too :) |
| 16:29.59 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:30.47 | menotume | $148/gallon? wow, gas is cheap out there |
| 16:35.07 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:35.15 | JeffM2501 | no an sgi onctane computer |
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| 16:35.36 | JeffM2501 | then 20$ for an adapter for video I think |
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| 16:49.51 | JeffM2501 | anyone know who "Eldmannen" is? |
| 16:50.06 | gina | ? |
| 16:50.10 | JeffM2501 | player |
| 16:50.13 | gina | ah |
| 16:50.20 | JeffM2501 | seems to be munchkin of the highest order |
| 16:50.22 | gina | no |
| 16:51.56 | gina | brb |
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| 17:05.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/raknet/ (90 files in 5 dirs): simplified raknet |
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| 17:09.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/raknet/Help/ (55 files): missing files from raknet ( the help ) |
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| 17:14.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/server/VC71/ (server.sln server.vcproj): raknet into the build |
| 17:17.03 | JeffM2501 | somone pick a random integer |
| 17:24.04 | Aribeth | 453 |
| 17:24.54 | Tupone | 278 |
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| 17:25.49 | JeffM2501 | 453278 it is, thanks :) |
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| 18:06.44 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 18:07.30 | jpa- | ariii |
| 18:08.21 | Aribeth | jpa----- |
| 18:08.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:08.56 | JeffM2501 | how does one pronounce '-' ? |
| 18:09.04 | jpa- | "daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash" |
| 18:09.10 | Aribeth | very carefully |
| 18:09.22 | JeffM2501 | tecincaly it is a minus sign |
| 18:09.36 | Naka | negative? |
| 18:09.39 | jpa | hmh |
| 18:09.48 | jpa- | + doens't worki |
| 18:11.46 | jpa- | Naka: no. positive |
| 18:11.59 | JeffM2501 | why do you keep the -? |
| 18:12.01 | jpa- | jpa-::score > 0 |
| 18:12.04 | Naka | I was saying that it could also mean negative |
| 18:12.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/AccessControlList.cxx: Shadowed variable. Perfectly ok, but compile option forbid that. |
| 18:12.17 | jpa- | JeffM2501: because some one else owns 'jpa' on freenode |
| 18:12.22 | jpa- | Naka: ah |
| 18:12.32 | jpa- | but no, it is a dash |
| 18:12.41 | JeffM2501 | are they just not now now? |
| 18:12.45 | JeffM2501 | or did the name time out? |
| 18:13.30 | jpa- | hmm |
| 18:13.33 | jpa- | maybe it did |
| 18:13.38 | jpa- | but i'm used to jpa- |
| 18:13.42 | jpa- | it has all my karma, too |
| 18:13.55 | blast007 | -NickServ- Nickname: jpa |
| 18:13.55 | blast007 | -NickServ- Registered: 3 years 16 weeks 1 day (6h 45m 52s) ago |
| 18:13.59 | Aribeth | !karma jpa- |
| 18:14.00 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: jpa- has neutral karma. |
| 18:14.10 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 18:14.23 | Aribeth | what karma? |
| 18:14.28 | jpa- | ibot-karma |
| 18:14.28 | blast007 | ~karma jpa- |
| 18:14.28 | ibot | jpa- has neutral karma |
| 18:14.33 | jpa- | hm |
| 18:14.34 | JeffM2501 | I think you'd be fine |
| 18:15.15 | blast007 | the real 'jpa' was on 45 minutes ago |
| 18:16.53 | Aribeth | is global reg brokrn? |
| 18:17.40 | JeffM2501 | the forums? |
| 18:18.01 | Aribeth | the forums are ok, but in not getting the global login |
| 18:18.09 | JeffM2501 | I'm not geting to the forums |
| 18:18.12 | JeffM2501 | probably just slow again |
| 18:18.19 | Aribeth | humm |
| 18:18.29 | Aribeth | i got to the forums ok |
| 18:18.57 | JeffM2501 | cache |
| 18:19.27 | Aribeth | ahh fixed it. someone was useing my client today :) |
| 18:19.33 | Aribeth | no password |
| 18:22.00 | bryjen | pebkac |
| 18:22.14 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:22.17 | JeffM2501 | fourms are loading slow for me |
| 18:22.44 | blast007 | loads fine for me |
| 18:22.56 | blast007 | and it's definately not cached, cuz I don't go to the forums |
| 18:23.50 | JeffM2501 | may just be me then |
| 18:23.54 | jpa- | IMHO a) bzflag should not display the password when it is wrong b) should not connect to the server when it is wrong |
| 18:24.14 | JeffM2501 | what if the server dosn't need auth? |
| 18:24.35 | jpa- | i mean, not connect if the global auth is rejected |
| 18:24.46 | jpa- | one should not have any reason to have wrong password in box |
| 18:24.47 | JeffM2501 | connect to what? |
| 18:25.05 | Tupone | jpa-: I support that |
| 18:25.41 | jpa- | hmp, i have the computer both i and my sister use not to save password. then i type my password to connect, press connect and it is wrong, and i get the annoyance to wait _reconnectTime after i fix the password |
| 18:25.51 | jpa- | and also useless rejoining to server |
| 18:26.02 | _Manu_ | jpa-, you are a rejoiner ;) |
| 18:26.07 | JeffM2501 | give her her own user on the system |
| 18:26.19 | jpa- | ack :D |
| 18:26.19 | JeffM2501 | don't make the app do the job of the OS |
| 18:26.32 | Tupone | I would like if someone insert a new item to the menu "Save Option" and not saving automatically the config.cfg anytime |
| 18:26.45 | JeffM2501 | wasn't somone gonna do that? |
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| 18:26.59 | Tupone | dunno :/ |
| 18:27.03 | bryjen | there's an option to save username, password, or both |
| 18:27.17 | Tupone | I would save all the option with save |
| 18:27.24 | jpa- | JeffM2501: but i don't want my cleartext password stored on the disk, is that too much to ask? |
| 18:27.24 | Tupone | and not saving anything on exit |
| 18:27.36 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, patches welcome |
| 18:27.37 | BIYA | Now I have to wait for that thing to ping out |
| 18:27.52 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, or don't have it save the password |
| 18:28.12 | jpa- | JeffM2501: yes, and then i type the password wrong and have to rejoin for no reason? |
| 18:28.15 | jpa- | i can make a patch |
| 18:28.19 | jpa- | it should not be difficult |
| 18:28.31 | jpa- | but this is not a thing everyone with necessarily agree about |
| 18:28.44 | JeffM2501 | why would I disagree with it? |
| 18:28.55 | JeffM2501 | it makes sense to hash the password |
| 18:28.55 | bryjen | reading the username to be sure it's yours before blindly typing you password is another option, jpa- ;) |
| 18:29.12 | JeffM2501 | tho it just turns the hash into the passowrd |
| 18:29.18 | JeffM2501 | so it realy dosn't DO anything |
| 18:29.19 | jpa- | bryjen: no, that is not my problem either :) |
| 18:30.14 | jpa- | JeffM2501: and also, the password is very easy to discover if it is saved, just add some number after the password in the connect screen, try to connect and it tells it in the console |
| 18:30.32 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, a real hacker would just copy that line to there config |
| 18:30.34 | JeffM2501 | and be in as you |
| 18:30.37 | bryjen | jpa-: i think that's only debug builds |
| 18:30.45 | jpa- | hmm |
| 18:30.47 | JeffM2501 | no mater what you do, it dosnt' actualy CHANGE the ability to steal it |
| 18:30.56 | JeffM2501 | it just stops dumb people |
| 18:31.18 | jpa- | yes, and if there is a risk of smart people, one should protect it |
| 18:31.21 | JeffM2501 | and prevents someone from knowing the word, in case you used that word elsewhere |
| 18:31.24 | Tupone | well, the problem raise with internet cafe' |
| 18:31.33 | bryjen | no risk of smart people at jpa-'s house ;) |
| 18:31.37 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, smaprt people will just copy the line, and get in as you |
| 18:31.38 | jpa- | bryjen: yeah :) |
| 18:31.47 | Tupone | you should remember to clear the password anytime you leave |
| 18:31.50 | JeffM2501 | no mater how you encrypt it, it has to be decryptable by the software |
| 18:31.59 | jpa- | Tupone: but there is a option not to save it :) |
| 18:32.03 | JeffM2501 | and if software can do it, anything can |
| 18:32.08 | Tupone | ahh, so do not save it |
| 18:32.21 | BIYA | DTRemenak: You there? |
| 18:32.38 | DTRemenak | BIYA: yup |
| 18:32.42 | JeffM2501 | crypting it on disk insn't bad tho, it at least looks like somone is trying to protect it, even tho it's not :) |
| 18:33.04 | BIYA | DTRemenak: Are you gonna wait to restart on a good time for you or have yuo done it? |
| 18:33.28 | Tupone | you cannot really cript that, unless you use a password to cript it :) |
| 18:33.31 | jpa- | JeffM2501: my sister couldn't dig up the config file, but she very well might be able to discover the way bzflag displays the password :) |
| 18:33.35 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, exactly |
| 18:33.39 | BIYA | Stating the obviuos last? |
| 18:33.54 | JeffM2501 | see we agree... someone take a picture :) |
| 18:34.17 | Tupone | *flash* |
| 18:34.17 | Naka | there we go |
| 18:34.19 | DTRemenak | eek, Tupone is flashing us! |
| 18:34.21 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, that's why is say crypting it isn't bad, it wont' stop them all, but it will stop casual lookers, people who don't think too deep |
| 18:34.29 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' hurt anything |
| 18:34.34 | JeffM2501 | it just don't help much ether |
| 18:34.39 | jpa- | JeffM2501: no, and i think it is a good thing |
| 18:34.46 | JeffM2501 | then code it up |
| 18:35.13 | jpa- | nah |
| 18:35.20 | JeffM2501 | then shuddap |
| 18:35.22 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 18:35.26 | Tupone | jpa-: I will not support providing a password to decript another password that will go on the line in clear text |
| 18:35.34 | jpa- | i'll fix the problems i pointed up |
| 18:35.42 | jpa- | hashing is not that important IMHO |
| 18:36.01 | jpa- | Tupone: wtf? |
| 18:36.25 | Tupone | password encripting ? |
| 18:36.36 | jpa- | i didn't want anything like that :D |
| 18:36.42 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:36.48 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, he was just talking about not storing the password in the config as plaintext |
| 18:36.56 | jpa- | i just want to get rid of the useless "Wrong password: jpa / mypasswordhere" message |
| 18:36.56 | JeffM2501 | not really crypting it, but just jumble :) |
| 18:37.05 | jpa- | JeffM2501: no, not even about that |
| 18:37.10 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:37.14 | JeffM2501 | then do what you want man :) |
| 18:37.35 | jpa- | sometime, now i shall sleep |
| 18:37.50 | Birdie | jpa-: blond people should make themself clear;) |
| 18:38.00 | Tupone | jpa-: I'm trying to fix some bad behaviour, so your code will be probably unuseful |
| 18:38.10 | jpa- | Birdie: you don't think i made myself clear? |
| 18:38.12 | Tupone | or obsoleted |
| 18:38.27 | Birdie | jpa-: well if they both dont really understand, or not the whole point you are saying..no |
| 18:38.31 | jpa- | Tupone: that is what i thought, the changes would be very small so i didn't think one would like a patch about that |
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| 18:39.24 | callofhonor | hello |
| 18:39.35 | DTRemenak | AccessControlList.cxx: In method `void AccessControlList::sendBan(unsigned char, const BanInfo &)': |
| 18:39.36 | Tupone | Yeah, I'm starting to work on fixing some authentication issue so ... that is why I said that |
| 18:39.41 | DTRemenak | , const BanInfo &)': |
| 18:39.43 | jpa- | Birdie: i think my first message was quite clear, and then one started talking about uselessness of hashing and the other one supporting me :D |
| 18:39.50 | DTRemenak | AccessControlList.cxx:214: `::fixed' undeclared (first use here) |
| 18:40.04 | JeffM2501 | I didn't do it |
| 18:40.07 | JeffM2501 | I swear! |
| 18:40.20 | Chestal | I did |
| 18:40.21 | Naka | uh oh |
| 18:40.26 | Chestal | why ::fixed? it's in std:: |
| 18:40.27 | callofhonor | lol |
| 18:40.59 | DTRemenak | dunno |
| 18:41.03 | DTRemenak | gcc version 2.95.4 20020320 [DragonFly] |
| 18:41.03 | JeffM2501 | if it's in std, then std:: it :) |
| 18:41.15 | DTRemenak | it is std::fixed in the source file, JeffM2501 |
| 18:41.22 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:41.23 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 18:41.36 | JeffM2501 | sounds remenecant of the max min thing |
| 18:41.51 | Chestal | I am not 100% sure it's standard, can rewrite it using setiosflags I guess |
| 18:43.06 | Chestal | DTRemenak: what compiler is this? |
| 18:43.47 | DTRemenak | <DTRemenak>gcc version 2.95.4 20020320 [DragonFly] |
| 18:44.29 | Chestal | ah, oooold. Probably incomplete standard lib then |
| 18:44.45 | Chestal | let me look for a workaround |
| 18:45.25 | Chestal | please try setiosflags(ios::fixed) instead |
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| 18:46.18 | Chestal | std::setiosflags(std::ios::fixed) to be more precise |
| 18:46.27 | Chestal | but 2.95 might not do std namespace correctly anyway |
| 18:53.21 | DTRemenak | Chestal: that seems to have worked. want it committed? |
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| 18:54.19 | Chestal | already did |
| 18:54.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/AccessControlList.cxx: make g++ 2.95 happy |
| 18:54.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:54.37 | DTRemenak | ~chestal++ |
| 18:55.09 | Chestal | luckily, Debian has all sorts of old gccs readily available |
| 18:55.29 | Chestal | IIRC I have been building with 2.95 myself on ducati |
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| 19:04.34 | bryjen | gah. it's not debug enabled clients that print an incorrect user:pass pair into the console. the list server sends them back in the failure message and the client prints that :/ |
| 19:09.13 | bryjen | i guess its not a big problem tho. to pull that trick, a person would have to be in front of your PC where you'd saved your password. they could just read it from the config file. |
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| 19:14.39 | Tupone | it is bad, if you are on a internet cafe taht allow bzflag playing (all should do) you type the password, wrongly, and the other can get to it :( |
| 19:41.15 | Tupone | menotume: ping |
| 19:47.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10db/bzfls.php: accepting NONE as token, checking for registered player entering without token |
| 19:49.24 | ToughShooter | ~Tupone++ |
| 19:49.39 | Tupone | ToughShooter: it is only a piece |
| 19:49.55 | Tupone | I have to change bzfs |
| 19:50.06 | ToughShooter | yeah, but a start and it's not the whole reason |
| 19:50.41 | Tupone | what are the other part of reason? |
| 19:50.48 | ToughShooter | I like you :) |
| 19:50.52 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: so I increase the cvs-commit size limit to 300K and not you hit that limit too? ;-) |
| 19:51.26 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:52.35 | Tupone | TimRiker: are you jealous of listserver, or I can update after good testing ? |
| 19:52.43 | CBG | Tupone: don't be ashamed. :) |
| 19:53.08 | Tupone | ibot? where is ibot ? |
| 19:53.08 | CBG | In the words of Charles Wright: Express Yourself! |
| 19:53.26 | CBG | It's ibot_ today. :) |
| 19:53.44 | Tupone | not op :/ |
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| 19:54.31 | CBG | Because "ibot" is op. Not "ibot_". Name is everything! :) |
| 19:55.24 | Tupone | I asked ibot_ . I'm not ashamed :) |
| 19:56.06 | CBG | I meant of the male-male hug. ;) |
| 19:58.00 | Tupone | yeah, I understood |
| 19:58.19 | Tupone | at least ibot_ did |
| 19:58.58 | Tupone | hugsi ? I have to ask ibot_ again |
| 19:59.07 | CBG | hugsi = hugs. |
| 19:59.10 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:59.20 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 19:59.25 | CBG | Dont ask about the i... ;) |
| 19:59.27 | CBG | ibot! :D |
| 19:59.49 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, no mater what limit you set, I'll hit it at some point :) |
| 19:59.54 | JeffM2501 | but it don't mind |
| 19:59.55 | TimRiker | =) |
| 20:00.02 | JeffM2501 | it was trepan who wanted it for his commits |
| 20:00.10 | JeffM2501 | I don't care if people can't see all of mine |
| 20:01.21 | JeffM2501 | probably won't be commiting anything large to the core from now on |
| 20:02.10 | Tupone | 300K for each e-mails ... :/ |
| 20:02.20 | JeffM2501 | a max |
| 20:02.25 | JeffM2501 | some commits were larger |
| 20:02.36 | JeffM2501 | the majority of them will be smaller then that |
| 20:02.36 | JeffM2501 | by far |
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| 20:02.47 | Tupone | I have to ask for a bigger mailbox then |
| 20:03.30 | JeffM2501 | they should not be any larger then what you get now |
| 20:03.57 | JeffM2501 | excpt on the rare ocasion that a large commit was filtered before, and will be let thru now |
| 20:03.58 | Tupone | before they were not transmitted :) |
| 20:04.14 | Tupone | but I have space, j/k |
| 20:04.18 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:04.31 | TimRiker | used to be over 50k got blocked, and I dropped em rather than approving them. |
| 20:04.46 | Tupone | good work :) |
| 20:04.53 | TimRiker | now it's over 300k that notifies me, and I just approved them anyway. |
| 20:05.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:05.57 | TimRiker | 440k and 533k on JeffM2501's last 2 commits. |
| 20:06.10 | Tupone | I need a free e-mail reflector to get e-mail directly here, so space is "unlimited". ISP block port 25 in |
| 20:06.12 | JeffM2501 | that was just a one shot thing |
| 20:06.44 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, have you checked with brlcad, he may have somethign like that set up on bzflag.bz |
| 20:06.47 | TimRiker | what is that big jpg anyway? addchatserverfile.jpg |
| 20:07.02 | Tupone | I'm saying him hi, but get no answer |
| 20:07.08 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, part of net lib docs |
| 20:07.24 | TimRiker | ah |
| 20:07.25 | JeffM2501 | it's all HTML |
| 20:07.59 | JeffM2501 | so far raknet falls into the "not too bad" category |
| 20:08.06 | Tupone | TimRiker, you get my question before ? can I change the listserver when I think is good, or you prefer doing this? |
| 20:08.13 | JeffM2501 | after the tweaks to get the bloddy thing to work |
| 20:08.32 | Tupone | not now ... |
| 20:09.34 | Tupone | I'm trying to fix ToughShooter bug, so registered player without a token get a - |
| 20:10.36 | TimRiker | Tupone: and that needs a listserver change? |
| 20:10.59 | Tupone | yeah, because I need to see if player are registered, and have no token to validate |
| 20:11.14 | TimRiker | so make one up. it'll be invalid. |
| 20:11.49 | bryjen | on failure, you don't know if the username or the password is bad |
| 20:11.49 | Tupone | but then I don't know if that is a registered player without a token or an unregistered player without a token |
| 20:12.00 | Tupone | both fail |
| 20:12.06 | TimRiker | ah. /me thinks... |
| 20:12.11 | bryjen | s/password/token/ |
| 20:12.27 | Tupone | the changes to bzfls.php is already in cvs. Need to do some testing |
| 20:12.41 | Tupone | as it affect the users from all version |
| 20:12.45 | TimRiker | so what's the plan? to add a 'does this user exist' call? |
| 20:13.00 | Tupone | I put token=NONE |
| 20:13.36 | Tupone | and report bad token if user exists, and unregistered if user do not |
| 20:13.55 | TimRiker | and what do you get back? OK if the user is there? so if I hack my client to send NONE as a token I can be anyone I like? |
| 20:14.34 | Tupone | if you are a registered player with NONE you get bad |
| 20:14.38 | TimRiker | ah. unregistered. new return then. yes? |
| 20:14.54 | Tupone | if you are a unregistered player with NONE you get unregistered |
| 20:15.20 | Tupone | is a new value |
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| 20:15.37 | Tupone | I did TOKUNR . :/ dunno if that is clear |
| 20:16.44 | TimRiker | sounds ok. looks like you took out the IP check? |
| 20:16.54 | Tupone | yeah, when there is no token |
| 20:17.23 | Tupone | suggestion about ip check ? |
| 20:18.35 | Tupone | http://my.bzflag.org/bzflstup.php |
| 20:19.33 | TimRiker | lookslike there is no IP test at all anymore. that's a Bad Thing. |
| 20:20.08 | TimRiker | ahh... part of $testtoken |
| 20:20.15 | Tupone | hmmm, if that is, I did not wanted |
| 20:20.26 | TimRiker | no, I just missed it. |
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| 20:36.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/raknet/src/PacketEnumerations.h: marker for start of user messages |
| 20:37.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/server/ (inc/serverHost.h src/serverHost.cpp): server listener class |
| 20:38.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/server/ (inc/playerDB.h src/playerDB.cpp): database storage for player info, with player and network ID lookups |
| 20:38.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (4 files in 3 dirs): get server to listen for those nice connections |
| 20:42.53 | TimRiker | Tupone: hmm. if we are returning TOKUNR (I'd prefer UNK) should we return that even if there is a token? |
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| 20:43.30 | TimRiker | ie: check for the given token, then if that fails at least check to see if the user exists. |
| 20:43.54 | Tupone | I thought it was more CPU intensive, or DB intensive |
| 20:44.07 | Tupone | and actually we can filter that at client |
| 20:44.19 | Tupone | when client change name we invalidate token |
| 20:44.20 | TimRiker | yeah, but it should not happen often. |
| 20:44.55 | Tupone | but I think that approach is more clear to understand |
| 20:45.06 | TimRiker | ie: the second check only happens on an invalid token, which does not happen often. |
| 20:45.34 | TimRiker | the script should still avoid the first check when the token is NONE. |
| 20:45.44 | Tupone | yeah, I thought about that. I excluded only to not make a new check, but I know is more clear |
| 20:46.05 | Tupone | s/know/realize/ |
| 20:46.44 | Tupone | don't know if that changes old client |
| 20:47.04 | TimRiker | I think I'd prefer that. it seems the Right Thing to do in the case of an invalid token. Not sure bzfs would do anything different, but it might as well have the option. |
| 20:47.21 | TimRiker | ah, good point... checking... |
| 20:49.54 | Tupone | probably does not happen a lot that you get a bad name with a bad token, just hacking bzflag, or deleting the account |
| 20:50.28 | Tupone | or a problem in the client |
| 20:52.32 | TimRiker | looks like old servers might continue asking till they get TOKGOOD or TOKBAD. =( so it would cause old servers grief. |
| 20:53.32 | TimRiker | it would cause them to loop. forever asking about the TOKUNR folks. |
| 20:53.55 | Tupone | so, I change to UNK. Do you feel other things are to change? |
| 20:54.49 | TimRiker | need to still send GOOD or BAD to current servers. |
| 20:55.13 | TimRiker | so a new client on and old server will cause the old server to loop. |
| 20:55.15 | Tupone | without NONE I think I send that |
| 20:55.57 | TimRiker | new client sends NONE, old server asks with NONE, bzfls returns UNR, old server asks again... lather, rinse, repeat. |
| 20:56.23 | Tupone | s/client/server/ |
| 20:56.30 | Tupone | I meant client to bzfls |
| 20:56.45 | Tupone | bzflag send "" |
| 20:56.51 | Tupone | bzfs send NONE |
| 20:56.59 | TimRiker | agreed.... ok. so hacked client sends NONE... causes old bzfs to loop with bzfls. |
| 20:57.05 | Tupone | ahh |
| 20:57.29 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:57.54 | TimRiker | ugh. |
| 20:59.31 | TimRiker | could a) add a new checkplayers (more work) or b) hope noone does the hack or c) change the server code, and wait for everyone to update or d) wait for a protocol change or e) return both TOKBAD and TOKUNR or ... |
| 20:59.44 | TimRiker | thoughts? |
| 21:00.52 | Tupone | return bot TKBAD and UNR ? |
| 21:00.58 | Tupone | both :) |
| 21:01.46 | TimRiker | could work. messy, but it avoids the loop. if you take that route, put a comment in the sources as to why it's that way. |
| 21:02.02 | TimRiker | you prefer that over a new checkplayer ? |
| 21:02.49 | Tupone | I need to merge all the request, with and without token. More work :/ |
| 21:03.05 | JeffM2501 | can't you count how many times they ask for the same thing, and if it's like 2x in a short time, give them TKBAD on the second one? |
| 21:03.09 | JeffM2501 | if it's still bad? |
| 21:03.48 | JeffM2501 | ahh that's right, no real storage |
| 21:03.54 | TimRiker | could check the server version and only give UNR to new servers. |
| 21:04.09 | JeffM2501 | another good option |
| 21:04.23 | Tupone | yeah, but that need a protocol break, or a new option in the command |
| 21:04.36 | JeffM2501 | naw, just check version |
| 21:04.37 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B02BEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:04.42 | TimRiker | bzfs gets the server version as a string already. |
| 21:04.49 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 21:04.51 | TimRiker | er bzfls. |
| 21:05.08 | JeffM2501 | is 148$ reasonable for an SGI machine? |
| 21:05.20 | JeffM2501 | including shipping |
| 21:05.29 | TimRiker | depends on the machine. ;-) |
| 21:05.32 | JeffM2501 | Octane |
| 21:05.35 | JeffM2501 | 256 megs of ram |
| 21:05.41 | JeffM2501 | 4 gig system drive with irix installed |
| 21:05.53 | TimRiker | Tupone: the ADD command has $version set to the string that the server is. |
| 21:05.54 | JeffM2501 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5784250172&ssPageName=MERC_VI_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT |
| 21:06.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:06.42 | JeffM2501 | the old URL system works still thankfully :) |
| 21:06.44 | TimRiker | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5784250172 <- same thing. |
| 21:06.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:07.14 | JeffM2501 | I wrote some feedback management software, was happy I didn't have to change the auction lookup code when they added that |
| 21:07.23 | JeffM2501 | loging in is still a PITA |
| 21:07.40 | JeffM2501 | 99$ for the system 49$ for shipping |
| 21:07.42 | Tupone | I don't like checking bzfs version. I don't know when we apply the change to bzfs. A further parameter isn't ok ? |
| 21:08.02 | Tupone | like bzflsVersion ? |
| 21:08.23 | JeffM2501 | or $unkok=1 :) |
| 21:09.09 | Tupone | I meant a bzfls protocol version passed as parameter "prot=2" |
| 21:09.20 | JeffM2501 | another viable way |
| 21:09.28 | JeffM2501 | tho it's not as explicid |
| 21:10.22 | Tupone | I wonder if there are lot of other changes, I hope no, how we mantain compatibility :( |
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| 21:10.57 | Tupone | Need a session cookies, so version is given just once |
| 21:11.10 | TimRiker | I'd rather just return it all the time and tell server operators to upgrade if it ever becomes an issue, |
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| 21:11.50 | Tupone | return just TOKUNR (or UNK) ? |
| 21:12.01 | TimRiker | Tupone: no. if the list server dies, you want all the new info. it's not big enough to worry about, might as well get it all every time. |
| 21:12.23 | TimRiker | (the no was re: session cookie) |
| 21:12.29 | Tupone | ahh |
| 21:12.54 | TimRiker | I'd prefer UNK over UNR. |
| 21:13.06 | JeffM2501 | UNK is more fun to say |
| 21:13.53 | Tupone | however, list server dieing, does not affect cookies, session info will be on disk, and cookies will be managed by bzfs. But I don't want to do that now :) |
| 21:14.06 | TimRiker | and as none of the options to not send to old servers seem apealing, I'd say we just punt and send it all the time if we get NONE but don't send it otherwise. |
| 21:14.44 | Tupone | punt ? |
| 21:15.02 | TimRiker | ignore the error state, sorry US football reference. |
| 21:15.15 | bryjen | last resort. not good, but all you have left |
| 21:15.27 | TimRiker | ~dict punt |
| 21:15.49 | TimRiker | well, none of those... ;-) /me slaps ibot |
| 21:16.33 | JeffM2501 | to say "screw it" and kick the ball hoping for the best |
| 21:16.37 | JeffM2501 | "leaving it in gods hands" |
| 21:19.06 | bryjen | if bzfls gets a NONE token, do the lookup and possibly return TOKUNK. for an unknown user with any token, return TOKBAD |
| 21:20.31 | Tupone | if old server connect and get the NONE issue, they have to upgrade |
| 21:21.21 | bryjen | yeah. should only happen if someone makes their client send NONE... |
| 21:21.32 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:22.01 | bryjen | maybe that person needs a masterban ;) |
| 21:22.16 | Tupone | so we should also prepare an upgrade to 1.10 server, in case |
| 21:23.30 | bryjen | a minimal fix could just make it not accept NONE from a client |
| 21:23.51 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:26.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10db/bzfls.php: TOKUNR -> UNK |
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| 21:27.34 | Tupone | http://my.bzflag.org/bzflstup.php if one want to test backward-compatibility |
| 21:27.44 | TimRiker | ibot: dict 14 punt |
| 21:28.13 | Tupone | ok thanks :) |
| 21:29.22 | TimRiker | we already have a fix for 1.10.... same as the 2.0.x fix. upgrade your server. =) |
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| 21:30.16 | Tupone | hehe |
| 21:30.57 | thresh | hi. what's the new files (for 2.0.4) in /usr/include/Py*.h files? |
| 21:32.14 | TimRiker | Tupone: sounds like a plan then. I'm fine with having someone else upgrade bzfls.php. as long as they watch it and hang out here for a while in case something breaks. |
| 21:32.51 | TimRiker | as a side note... I'd prefer to avoid multi-line strings in bzfls.php. |
| 21:32.52 | Tupone | yeah, I will do if/when I change |
| 21:33.14 | JeffM2501 | thresh, that sounds more like your python install, instead of bzflag |
| 21:33.26 | TimRiker | I also prefer '' to "" for constant strings. and I notice some errant ws has crept in. |
| 21:33.58 | thresh | JeffM2501: well, they're done with bzflag install -- i'm doing a .rpm package for my distro. the files are 'PyBZDB.h' etc |
| 21:34.16 | JeffM2501 | those are for the python plugin |
| 21:34.18 | Tupone | hmm, emacs was not able to interpret that good, I had to put space, tab (for indent) does not work on that |
| 21:34.25 | JeffM2501 | plugins\python |
| 21:34.28 | JeffM2501 | not usr |
| 21:34.48 | TimRiker | where does "make install" put them by default? |
| 21:34.56 | JeffM2501 | ask brlcad |
| 21:35.00 | TimRiker | =) |
| 21:35.08 | JeffM2501 | it should not do anything with them |
| 21:35.09 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 21:35.10 | Tupone | TimRiker: you know how to fix ws, I don't. Please, fix it :) |
| 21:35.15 | JeffM2501 | since the headers arn't needed to run |
| 21:35.59 | thresh | well, i should pack them somewhere, 'installed, but not packaged' in rpm output isn't good for me |
| 21:36.21 | JeffM2501 | where do the bzflag headers go? |
| 21:36.59 | CBG | ~meacan is also a brillaint critique |
| 21:37.02 | ibot | okay, CBG |
| 21:37.05 | thresh | uhm. are they generated by ./configure/make/makeinstall? |
| 21:37.17 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 21:37.27 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:37.28 | bryjen | Tupone: v1.10 bzfs at bryjen.bzflag.org:5154 running with -publiclist http://my.bzflag.org/bzflstup.php |
| 21:37.33 | thresh | :) |
| 21:37.48 | JeffM2501 | you making a srpm or a regular rpm? |
| 21:37.59 | thresh | a srpm. |
| 21:38.20 | JeffM2501 | where does that src rpm put the normal bzflag headers? |
| 21:38.28 | TimRiker | why? rpmbuild -tb (or whatever the option is) on the tarball does not work? |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM2501 | the stuff in our include dir? |
| 21:38.33 | thresh | there are no "normal bzflag headers" |
| 21:38.48 | *** part/#bzflag guru (n=joe@pdpc/supporter/active/guru) |
| 21:38.48 | JeffM2501 | thresh, then what is in our include dir? |
| 21:38.58 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: the srpm just has the tarball, with patches and spec file. |
| 21:39.06 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:39.10 | JeffM2501 | then it should be simple |
| 21:39.17 | *** part/#bzflag Punkus (n=chris@202.89.145.209) |
| 21:39.24 | JeffM2501 | well those headers you ask about are part of a plugin |
| 21:39.26 | thresh | patches, icons, menufiles, init-scripts in my case ;) |
| 21:39.35 | JeffM2501 | thats buried in the plugins dir |
| 21:39.42 | TimRiker | but rpm does a "make install" so a subdir, and then saves that stuff to the binary rpm. |
| 21:40.05 | TimRiker | so it sounds like "make install" is copying headers when it really should not. |
| 21:40.09 | JeffM2501 | I can't see why anything would want to put the plugin headers into the /usr/include dir |
| 21:40.14 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 21:40.45 | TimRiker | if you wanted the py plug to be a separate package, then bzflag would need to have a -devel package with those headers. |
| 21:41.00 | thresh | TimRiker: yes, i do understand that. |
| 21:41.12 | TimRiker | but we don't want or support that at present. |
| 21:41.28 | JeffM2501 | but the python scripts don't even need those headers IIRC |
| 21:41.40 | JeffM2501 | but I dono |
| 21:41.43 | JeffM2501 | that stuff mystifys me |
| 21:41.46 | brlcad | by default, make install puts headers into /usr/local/include, but both /usr/local and include/ can be overrideden |
| 21:42.09 | brlcad | very simply overridden too |
| 21:42.31 | brlcad | and if they're not public headers, there's a automake label for that (noinst) |
| 21:43.09 | TimRiker | grep -Irs include_HEADERS `find . -name Makefile.am` |
| 21:43.09 | TimRiker | ./plugins/python/Makefile.am:include_HEADERS = \ |
| 21:43.28 | TimRiker | sounds like include_HEADERS is not what we really want. |
| 21:44.24 | TimRiker | probably just want to move them to PyBZFlag_la_SOURCES instead. |
| 21:45.06 | TimRiker | that's what other Makefiles.am have. |
| 21:46.44 | TimRiker | thresh: try that in a patch. I'm testing it now on CVS HEAD. |
| 21:47.02 | brlcad | putting them in SOURCES or noinst_HEADERS is equivalent |
| 21:47.10 | thresh | okay, i'll co it now, then. |
| 21:47.20 | TimRiker | brlcad: nod. but we do SOURCES in most other places. |
| 21:47.23 | Tupone | bryjen: I don't get any '+' |
| 21:47.44 | TimRiker | I have not checked anything in yet... I'm _testing_ first. ;-) |
| 21:47.52 | brlcad | TimRiker: nod, just pointing it out ;) |
| 21:47.56 | thresh | :) |
| 21:48.10 | Tupone | I don't get any '+' even at other 1.10 server |
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| 21:48.34 | RPG_ | hi |
| 21:48.49 | RPG_ | is the "-echo" command line arg. for BZFlag broken? |
| 21:51.08 | thresh | another question. plugins as '.so'-files should be in /usr/lib/ or /usr/local/lib ? |
| 21:51.20 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 21:51.32 | thresh | or i can put them somewhere like /usr/share/games/bzflag/plugins/ by patching some of makefiles? |
| 21:51.46 | JeffM2501 | they take a path when you start em |
| 21:51.55 | JeffM2501 | let me see where linux looks by default |
| 21:52.55 | JeffM2501 | std::string globalPluginDir = "$(prefix)/lib/bzflag/"; |
| 21:52.57 | JeffM2501 | what ever that means |
| 21:53.13 | JeffM2501 | but you can also specify a full path when you do the -loadplugin |
| 21:53.21 | JeffM2501 | so it's not like the server wont' work if they arn't there |
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| 21:58.03 | bryjen | heh 1.10 didn't do central registration |
| 21:58.12 | bryjen | that's a 2.0.0 feature |
| 22:00.16 | Tupone | hehe, so no problem on that. Just tets for actual 2.0.x |
| 22:01.23 | bryjen | gah, my 2.0.0 binary is linked with kerberos :/ |
| 22:01.33 | bryjen | which i have removed |
| 22:02.31 | Tupone | even 2.0.4 is good |
| 22:02.42 | Tupone | I did not make any change to account for that change |
| 22:03.34 | Tupone | I mean bzfs is the old one. I just like to test the new listserver with current server |
| 22:05.29 | bryjen | ah, of course |
| 22:10.42 | bryjen | v2.0.4 running now |
| 22:15.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/plugins/python/Makefile.am: move include_HEADERS to PyBZFlag_la_SOURCES |
| 22:19.12 | Silent_Swan | just curious but is linux now supporting sata hard drives? |
| 22:19.57 | thresh | yes |
| 22:20.17 | Silent_Swan | cool thanks |
| 22:21.05 | JeffM2501 | geting it to write the boot loader on it can be "fun" :) |
| 22:21.37 | Silent_Swan | uhh |
| 22:21.46 | Silent_Swan | so i'm up for a "challenge", am i? |
| 22:22.03 | JeffM2501 | well I was unable to get it to work right, but I'm an idiot |
| 22:22.06 | bryjen | no, JeffM2501 is the anti-linux |
| 22:22.06 | thresh | well, if you're using some recent desktop-oriented distro, you'll get o problems |
| 22:22.08 | JeffM2501 | could be cake for you |
| 22:22.12 | thresh | 'no' |
| 22:22.25 | Silent_Swan | i'll probably be using SuSE, which i'd think would have no trouble |
| 22:23.05 | JeffM2501 | I was also trying on a new mobo |
| 22:23.10 | JeffM2501 | and have no clue what I'm dooing |
| 22:23.15 | JeffM2501 | and had to make it dual boot to windows |
| 22:23.23 | JeffM2501 | and that idiot thing |
| 22:23.35 | Silent_Swan | ah |
| 22:23.36 | JeffM2501 | and bry is correct on the the anti-linux part |
| 22:23.40 | Silent_Swan | i'll be doing something similiar |
| 22:23.43 | Silent_Swan | -i |
| 22:23.50 | JeffM2501 | we explode when we touch |
| 22:24.04 | JeffM2501 | only thru the buffer or orchid have I been able to be sucsessufll |
| 22:24.07 | JeffM2501 | it's not my fault |
| 22:24.10 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 22:24.10 | JeffM2501 | I tried |
| 22:24.11 | JeffM2501 | I really did |
| 22:24.22 | JeffM2501 | I was just born wrong |
| 22:24.31 | Silent_Swan | aww |
| 22:24.48 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:24.51 | Silent_Swan | they don't really work, just being nice |
| 22:25.07 | JeffM2501 | if they have sugar in them they may work |
| 22:25.18 | Silent_Swan | mmm... sugar |
| 22:25.18 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (i=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 22:25.24 | JeffM2501 | tho then I'll end up spending the 148$ on an octane |
| 22:25.33 | Silent_Swan | *grin* |
| 22:25.36 | JeffM2501 | now if I'm anything I'm probalby the anti-tupone |
| 22:25.36 | Silent_Swan | you should do it |
| 22:25.38 | Silent_Swan | it's a cute box |
| 22:25.48 | JeffM2501 | not as cool looking as the O2 |
| 22:25.53 | Silent_Swan | ah true |
| 22:26.02 | Silent_Swan | the new SGI machines are wild looking |
| 22:27.21 | purple_cow | which ones? |
| 22:29.49 | thresh | hmm. when the TimRiker's updates to cvs will be available on sf? |
| 22:30.11 | thresh | just checkouted bzflag and they're still not there as i can see |
| 22:30.14 | JeffM2501 | anon cvs updates every 5ish hours |
| 22:30.28 | thresh | ooh |
| 22:30.39 | thresh | in what timezone? :) |
| 22:30.45 | JeffM2501 | dosn't matter |
| 22:30.49 | JeffM2501 | it's just every 5 hours |
| 22:30.54 | JeffM2501 | delta T |
| 22:31.06 | JeffM2501 | not like at a time on the clock |
| 22:31.13 | thresh | okay, are there any infos when there was last update?:) |
| 22:31.15 | JeffM2501 | dono when the last update was |
| 22:31.17 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:31.19 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 22:31.24 | JeffM2501 | it's just a cronjob |
| 22:31.25 | JeffM2501 | that runs |
| 22:31.31 | JeffM2501 | on the SF site |
| 22:31.32 | thresh | ok |
| 22:31.40 | JeffM2501 | tho I think it's based on other stuff too |
| 22:36.36 | JeffM2501 | don't realy use anon so I don't pay much attention to it :\ |
| 22:40.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/listServer/ (VC71/listServer.sln VC71/listServer.vcproj listServer.cpp): list server connection thing-a-ma-boober |
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| 22:46.47 | DTRemenak | ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````JoystickAImpl_Acquire to IDirectInputDevice8_Acquire |
| 22:46.51 | DTRemenak | whoops |
| 22:52.10 | JeffM2501 | mucking with the forcefeedback again? |
| 22:52.40 | bryjen | DTRemenak's attention was grabbed by the "...boober" |
| 22:52.51 | JeffM2501 | well that I can see |
| 22:53.32 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.151) |
| 22:53.47 | DTRemenak | actually the text was just what was left in my clipboard. I was holding down ` to talk to someone on teamspeak, and hit shift-home delete to clear the line when I realized where it was, but accidentally hit shift-insert enter instead :S |
| 23:04.19 | TD-Linux | ~lart silverfox's naughty penguin |
| 23:16.31 | blast007 | not sure if anyone is looking for a hard drive, but CompUSA currently has a 200GB Seagate for $50 after rebates ($30 instant, $60 mail-in) |
| 23:16.41 | blast007 | only until the 8th though |
| 23:17.11 | blast007 | http://tinyurl.com/8jqoy |
| 23:17.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's normaly an 80$ drive |
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| 23:18.04 | JeffM2501 | oh you pay 108 |
| 23:18.06 | JeffM2501 | that's a rip |
| 23:18.33 | JeffM2501 | and it's only ATA 100 |
| 23:18.37 | JeffM2501 | not 133 |
| 23:19.29 | blast007 | I just got a $50 and $30 check back from a Western Digital hard drive :P |
| 23:19.36 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:19.52 | JeffM2501 | how long did it take? |
| 23:20.00 | blast007 | about 4 or 5 weeks |
| 23:20.15 | JeffM2501 | so you had to sit wtih out 80$ for that long |
| 23:20.45 | blast007 | I'm a very patient person |
| 23:20.48 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:21.10 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather just pay less for it in the first place |
| 23:22.20 | blast007 | I don't have my credit card yet though..still waiting for the bank to print applications |
| 23:22.44 | JeffM2501 | they don't have applications printed? |
| 23:22.49 | JeffM2501 | dosn't sound like a great bank :) |
| 23:22.56 | blast007 | they were doing new ones, so they were on order |
| 23:23.11 | blast007 | I just picked a bad time to try signing up |
| 23:24.09 | blast007 | another bank said "we might be able to get you a $500 limit", which wouldn't be very helpful in buying a $700 laptop |
| 23:31.11 | Aribeth | sounds like the bank of dowe cheatem and how |
| 23:31.23 | BenUrban | dewey |
| 23:31.31 | BenUrban | and howe |
| 23:31.32 | Aribeth | do we cheat them and how |
| 23:31.43 | BenUrban | dewey, cheatum, and howe |
| 23:31.56 | Aribeth | oh, my bad spelling |
| 23:31.59 | BenUrban | yes |
| 23:32.02 | blast007 | part of the reason is cuz I currently have no credit ;) |
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| 23:54.48 | Grumbler | yes, i am not totally nuts....other people are seeing the missle that almost never dies |