irclog2html for #bzflag on 20051004

`00:00.07`	`JeffM2501`	`it shoudl`
`00:00.12`	`JeffM2501`	`I shoudl say it better`
`00:00.15`	`JeffM2501`	`since it's what we use`
`00:00.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it's what was used to make the final binary`
`00:00.33`	`JeffM2501`	`so it must run well enough for that :)`
`00:00.51`	`*** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar)`
`00:01.15`	`BinarySpike`	`I downloaded autoconf 2.10`
`00:01.22`	`BinarySpike`	`I have 2.52`
`00:01.57`	`JeffM2501`	`why would you download an older one?`
`00:02.12`	`BinarySpike`	`Stupid list of them was sorted backwards... >:(`
`00:08.01`	`BinarySpike`	`looks like autoconf is installing`
`00:10.36`	`BinarySpike`	`autogen takes forever now`
`00:11.54`	`BinarySpike`	`Ok, I identified... now why isn't my name green... only dtremenak's is :(`
`00:12.36`	`DTRemenak`	`I have voice`
`00:12.42`	`BinarySpike`	`voice?`
`00:12.51`	`DTRemenak`	`voice`
`00:13.00`	`BinarySpike`	`Like... voice-chat?`
`00:13.52`	`DTRemenak`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IRC+voice&btnG=Google+Search`
`00:14.54`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/man/bzflag.6.in: who's -> whose, whomever -> whoever`
`00:16.40`	`*** part/#bzflag RPG_away (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`00:17.19`	`BinarySpike`	`2.0.4 is now compiling... thx Jeff.`
`00:17.47`	`BinarySpike`	`I wanted to add a few things to bzfs (no team death when capture flag... rogues can capture flags... can't capture own flag)`
`00:18.19`	`TD-Linux`	`so... why can you capture your own flag in the first place?`
`00:18.30`	`TD-Linux`	`it's just something that tk'ers like to do`
`00:18.46`	`lan56`	`realism, perhaps`
`00:18.58`	`DTRemenak`	`TD-Linux: because it has always been so.`
`00:18.59`	`BinarySpike`	`Well, come to my server... it's always got secrets :-D`
`00:19.26`	`BinarySpike`	`(I can't belive I'm in the changelog!!!)`
`00:19.31`	`Tegan`	`even if they couldn't cap they would still deliver it as far as they could`
`00:19.54`	`TD-Linux`	`I'm going to make a plugin to autokick people who cap their own flag, or maybe autoban`
`00:20.11`	`TD-Linux`	`*may make`
`00:20.16`	`TD-Linux`	`*will probably not make`
`00:20.17`	`BinarySpike`	`I hate plugin's`
`00:20.22`	`TD-Linux`	`WHY???`
`00:20.29`	`BinarySpike`	`Several reasons.`
`00:20.31`	`TD-Linux`	`Plugins are awsome!`
`00:20.45`	`BinarySpike`	`Yeah... because anybody can use them without having to compile them themselvs`
`00:20.55`	`TD-Linux`	`I always compile plugins myself`
`00:21.00`	`TD-Linux`	`they can be shared easier`
`00:21.14`	`BinarySpike`	`But my on cap idea would never had been put in if I hadn't had spent time working on bzfs code.`
`00:21.37`	`TD-Linux`	`Yeah... that's true`
`00:21.51`	`TD-Linux`	`If you want something to be part of bzflag... that's what you should do`
`00:22.07`	`TD-Linux`	`plugins are also easier to write, with a well-documented API`
`00:22.08`	`BinarySpike`	`Yeah... And I'm gona work on making a server setting for capping and tking`
`00:22.26`	`TD-Linux`	`Why shouldn't everyone explode on a cap?`
`00:22.57`	`TD-Linux`	`there already is a tk setting :P`
`00:23.26`	`BinarySpike`	`Like on GU match servers... when your flag get's captured somebody can camp and pass flag to center just to have it capped... over... and over.... and over.... and you can't do anything about it because you die each time`
`00:23.45`	`BinarySpike`	`That's how some teams get 20 points in one match`
`00:24.25`	`Tegan`	`there are anti-base-camp SW's for that on some servers`
`00:24.43`	`*** join/#bzflag BinarySpike (n=BinarySp@063-099-129-077.plateautel.net)`
`00:25.32`	`TD-Linux`	`I should remember that strategy`
`00:25.41`	`Tegan`	`oh, Overlord has that`
`00:25.58`	`TD-Linux`	`silvercat has it so that when you drop a flag over a 'bad' place, it returns to team base`
`00:26.27`	`BinarySpike`	`It's a map feature`
`00:26.33`	`BinarySpike`	`Jeff coded the event system.`
`00:27.02`	`lan56`	`its a nice feature`
`00:27.04`	`BinarySpike`	`I just coded a bzfs thing... Jeff liked it so he made it`
`00:27.17`	`BinarySpike`	`It was originaly mine and L4m3r's idea`
`00:27.25`	`BinarySpike`	`Thx Jeff!`
`00:27.36`	`Tegan`	`oh and here I am telling you about it`
`00:27.53`	`BinarySpike`	`:-P I like people doing that`
`00:28.09`	`BinarySpike`	`I've actualy had people not belive me! :-P`
`00:28.55`	`BinarySpike`	`I was playing Viper just after the SW's were added and I was able to camp (had not seen cap before) and then SW's went off while camping... I had no idea that the major servers had put the SW's in! :-P`
`00:29.21`	`BinarySpike`	`It scared me and I was like "What happend!!!" and one dude said "The onCap event's..."`
`00:29.33`	`TD-Linux`	`I haven't played at viper for awhile`
`00:29.38`	`BinarySpike`	`Me neither`
`00:29.39`	`Tegan`	`that's the beauty of open source`
`00:30.05`	`BinarySpike`	`can't.....wait......for.....ibzedit......`
`00:30.12`	`BinarySpike`	`You should see it so far`
`00:30.18`	`TD-Linux`	`argh! a L camper!`
`00:30.28`	`TD-Linux`	`I jumped around and wasted 5 of his shots`
`00:30.30`	`TD-Linux`	`:P`
`00:30.37`	`BinarySpike`	`:p`
`00:30.53`	`TD-Linux`	`players need to automatically spawn on their side, it gets quite unbalanced`
`00:31.02`	`BinarySpike`	`Anybody notice the "effects" when you spawn/die?`
`00:31.15`	`TD-Linux`	`me!`
`00:31.22`	`BinarySpike`	`THOSE ARE SOOOO COOOOOL`
`00:31.22`	`TD-Linux`	`I changed the spawn effect to 'cone`
`00:31.29`	`JeffM2501`	`BinarySpike, yeah I notice them`
`00:31.29`	`BinarySpike`	`heh`
`00:31.31`	`TD-Linux`	`I've had them forever`
`00:31.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I wrote them :)`
`00:31.36`	`BinarySpike`	`(Yes, Jeff I know)`
`00:31.38`	`JeffM2501`	`they are like 3 months old`
`00:31.46`	`TD-Linux`	`the 'cone' effect is the best!`
`00:31.47`	`BinarySpike`	`Yeah... but 2.0.3 wouldn't compile for me`
`00:31.48`	`JeffM2501`	`dtr did some of them too`
`00:32.06`	`DTRemenak`	`you did most of them`
`00:32.07`	`TD-Linux`	`the 'death star' one still needs a very, very bright flash of light`
`00:32.19`	`BinarySpike`	`How do you change them?`
`00:32.25`	`JeffM2501`	`he made some variations`
`00:32.26`	`DTRemenak`	`I just wanted to play with it :)`
`00:32.37`	`TD-Linux`	`so that all you see is bright white and sharp black shadows for an instant`
`00:32.45`	`JeffM2501`	`and your on cap event thing was how I told you you shoudl have done it in the first place, when you first asked how to do it :)`
`00:32.54`	`JeffM2501`	`but you hacked it in`
`00:32.58`	`JeffM2501`	`and I can't commit a hack`
`00:33.06`	`JeffM2501`	`and that sadly leed to plugins`
`00:33.11`	`JeffM2501`	`and all the same they bring`
`00:33.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I think rain started the same way`
`00:33.22`	`BinarySpike`	`I had no freaking idea how to add a world weapon event... and the code....`
`00:33.29`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder what ever happend to the kid who wanted rain`
`00:33.35`	`JeffM2501`	`naw`
`00:33.42`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, I am not a child`
`00:33.51`	`JeffM2501`	`just noticing how somethings work out`
`00:33.59`	`JeffM2501`	`an introspective if you will :)`
`00:34.08`	`JeffM2501`	`if I wanted to brag I'd just talk about my computer :)`
`00:34.12`	`BinarySpike`	`LOL`
`00:34.19`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, need any PCI express GF 6600s ?`
`00:34.30`	`TD-Linux`	`I want some!`
`00:34.35`	`TD-Linux`	`my ATI drivers are @#%`
`00:34.37`	`JeffM2501`	`have I ever met you?`
`00:34.47`	`TD-Linux`	`they prevent my computer from shutting down`
`00:34.51`	`JeffM2501`	`have we ever broken bread`
`00:34.51`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: no PCIE here :(`
`00:34.59`	`TD-Linux`	`I have PCI`
`00:35.01`	`TD-Linux`	`PCIE`
`00:35.09`	`JeffM2501`	`PCI-E is not PCI`
`00:35.09`	`BinarySpike`	`Peice`
`00:35.10`	`Tegan`	`BZFlag keeps my computer from shutting down`
`00:35.17`	`TD-Linux`	`I'll pay shipping!`
`00:35.19`	`Tegan`	`I don't know how it does that`
`00:35.25`	`TD-Linux`	`hey! BZFlag does it to me too!`
`00:35.26`	`JeffM2501`	`magic`
`00:35.32`	`BinarySpike`	`Tegan, what type of system do you have?`
`00:35.34`	`TD-Linux`	`it messes up the ATI drivers, which in turn hold the registry`
`00:35.44`	`TD-Linux`	`I got it figured out that far from reading system logs`
`00:35.48`	`JeffM2501`	`the ATI drives probably never return from the res swap`
`00:35.53`	`JeffM2501`	`and odn't let the system close`
`00:36.00`	`TD-Linux`	`my res dosen't swap`
`00:36.15`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, even if you run the same res, we call the res swap code`
`00:36.16`	`Tegan`	`It immobilizes the CKI`
`00:36.17`	`BinarySpike`	`(how long does it take bzflag to compile!)`
`00:36.27`	`TD-Linux`	`what processor speed?`
`00:36.29`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I just feel horible with both of them sitting on the shelf`
`00:36.36`	`JeffM2501`	`BinarySpike, depends on the OS`
`00:36.39`	`TD-Linux`	`takes about an hour on my 600Mhz computer`
`00:36.41`	`JeffM2501`	`in a mac, like 50 min`
`00:36.45`	`JeffM2501`	`on linux like 40`
`00:36.48`	`JeffM2501`	`on windows 15 min`
`00:36.55`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: that is horrible`
`00:36.56`	`JeffM2501`	`given similar CPUs ( in my expreience )`
`00:36.59`	`BinarySpike`	`why so short on windows?`
`00:37.01`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, need any?`
`00:37.03`	`TD-Linux`	`JeffM2501: I'll pay shipping!`
`00:37.15`	`JeffM2501`	`BinarySpike, the VC compiler dosn't dump everything to a terminal and waste time`
`00:37.18`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: i wish :(`
`00:37.21`	`Tegan`	`BinarySpike it does that no matter what type of system I use it on`
`00:37.23`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, have I ever meet you?`
`00:37.38`	`JeffM2501`	`if you did I'd not recomend the 6600s`
`00:37.44`	`TD-Linux`	`JeffM2501: You're talking to me, right?`
`00:37.48`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, yes`
`00:37.51`	`JeffM2501`	`have I ever meet you?`
`00:37.53`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, it is about time for an upgrade though`
`00:38.02`	`TD-Linux`	`JeffM2501: in person? no`
`00:38.04`	`JeffM2501`	`and no SLI in linux`
`00:38.09`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, exactly`
`00:38.30`	`TD-Linux`	`JeffM2501: I could just run away with your 6600's and keep my cash :P`
`00:38.36`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I'm not convinced SLI is all it's crascked up to be`
`00:38.47`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, what do you have in your system now, if it's PCI-E?`
`00:38.55`	`BinarySpike`	`Nor vista`
`00:39.01`	`TD-Linux`	`X700PRO`
`00:39.07`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, that's a very good card`
`00:39.09`	`jomojo`	`Jeffm2501: just curious was there any kind of plans of implementing my suggestion or further thoughts?`
`00:39.13`	`JeffM2501`	`beats a 6600 by a bit`
`00:39.15`	`TD-Linux`	`but ATI drivers screw up my card :(`
`00:39.18`	`TD-Linux`	`I mean system`
`00:39.24`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, then get better drivers :)`
`00:39.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it an ati mobo?`
`00:39.33`	`TD-Linux`	`the are the newest ones`
`00:39.33`	`JeffM2501`	`or nforce?`
`00:39.37`	`TD-Linux`	`Intel`
`00:39.51`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`00:40.01`	`TD-Linux`	`the highest-end last-gen`
`00:40.01`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, then I'm very very sorry`
`00:40.08`	`JeffM2501`	`what CPU?`
`00:40.12`	`TD-Linux`	`only one pci-e slot anyway`
`00:40.16`	`TD-Linux`	`pentium 4 550`
`00:40.20`	`TD-Linux`	`3.4ghz`
`00:40.21`	`JeffM2501`	`jomojo, I am of the opionion o wait for proto break`
`00:40.24`	`purple_cow`	`good lord`
`00:40.26`	`TD-Linux`	`hits the limit on bzflag all the time`
`00:40.27`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, oh the EMT-64 thing?`
`00:40.29`	`purple_cow`	`they have a shuttle with SLi`
`00:40.34`	`TD-Linux`	`no, the one before it`
`00:40.40`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, I'm very sorry`
`00:40.45`	`JeffM2501`	`you should have gotten a real CPU`
`00:40.49`	`TD-Linux`	`I know`
`00:41.01`	`TD-Linux`	`I gaze daily at the latest A64 x2`
`00:41.06`	`jomojo`	`JeffM2501: which means next new version?`
`00:41.09`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, in those little cases`
`00:41.18`	`JeffM2501`	`jomojo, means 2.2`
`00:41.22`	`JeffM2501`	`not a 2.0.x thing`
`00:41.31`	`jomojo`	`that's what i meant`
`00:41.32`	`Tegan`	`a pentium 4 would be an upgrade for me`
`00:41.39`	`jomojo`	`or 3.0`
`00:41.46`	`jomojo`	`or whatever you guys plan on calling it`
`00:41.55`	`TD-Linux`	`my pentum 4 overheats terribly`
`00:41.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it will probalby be 2.2`
`00:42.03`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: yep`
`00:42.04`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, most do`
`00:42.10`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, impresive`
`00:42.15`	`JeffM2501`	`what kinda PS they put in those`
`00:42.17`	`TD-Linux`	`constantly hits thermal limit in BZFLAG`
`00:42.25`	`JeffM2501`	`my system uses a lot more juice now`
`00:42.30`	`TD-Linux`	`Antec Sonata case`
`00:42.31`	`TD-Linux`	`v1`
`00:42.35`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, then you case is not vented properly`
`00:42.36`	`JeffM2501`	`fix it`
`00:42.38`	`jomojo`	`2.2 lacks a bit of umph`
`00:42.39`	`TD-Linux`	`380 watt antec power supply`
`00:42.44`	`jomojo`	`oh well`
`00:42.49`	`TD-Linux`	`umm... we have 2 120mm fans`
`00:42.51`	`TD-Linux`	`full speed`
`00:42.54`	`JeffM2501`	`jomojo, other may be able to work in a hack`
`00:42.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`00:43.07`	`jomojo`	`well that's fine`
`00:43.09`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, then they are not going the right ways`
`00:43.09`	`TD-Linux`	`and a full-speed 80mm one blowing direct on the heatsink`
`00:43.10`	`jomojo`	`either way`
`00:43.16`	`JeffM2501`	`is one sucking and one blowing`
`00:43.17`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`00:43.18`	`jomojo`	`just thought it should be added to the list of things`
`00:43.20`	`TD-Linux`	`the front one goes in, the back one goes out`
`00:43.25`	`JeffM2501`	`jomojo, it is a good thing to add`
`00:43.29`	`TD-Linux`	`they are the right way around`
`00:43.35`	`TD-Linux`	`I aren't that stupid :P`
`00:43.41`	`JeffM2501`	`jomojo, if I were you, I'd add it to the feature requests to make sure it dosn't get lost`
`00:43.41`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: looks like that model has a 350`
`00:43.52`	`jomojo`	`right where is that?`
`00:44.04`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, unless the mobo takes nothing, that's not enough to run 2 real cards`
`00:44.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I had to get a 480 before it would even boot`
`00:44.27`	`TD-Linux`	`maybe it`
`00:44.41`	`JeffM2501`	`jomojo, source forge`
`00:44.49`	`TD-Linux`	`maybe my problem stems from the 380 watt power supply with one little fan?`
`00:44.56`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag main page has a link right to it`
`00:45.00`	`JeffM2501`	`says "feature requests"`
`00:45.04`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: a 350 might be enough, actually. just has to provide almost all of it on 5v, which desktop ps' will typically not do`
`00:45.08`	`JeffM2501`	`on the left hand side`
`00:45.14`	`BinarySpike`	`I also added macintosh download and a project page to wiki/Download`
`00:45.19`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, possibly`
`00:45.24`	`JeffM2501`	`probably depends on CPU too`
`00:45.37`	`JeffM2501`	`my mobo took every single one of the connectors the PS offered`
`00:45.43`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`00:45.49`	`JeffM2501`	`including the extra wide main and the bonus 4 pin one`
`00:46.23`	`JeffM2501`	`thankfully the new vid cards have fans`
`00:46.29`	`JeffM2501`	`the old 6600's were fanless`
`00:46.32`	`JeffM2501`	`beasty things`
`00:47.19`	`BinarySpike`	`brb`
`00:47.43`	`TD-Linux`	`yipee!`
`00:48.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd not mind a pair of 7800's tho`
`00:49.11`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah your one of "those" people`
`00:49.20`	`TD-Linux`	`?`
`00:49.30`	`JeffM2501`	`you do know that on SLI systems the SLI slots are NOT right next to each other`
`00:49.38`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a 1x in between`
`00:49.39`	`TD-Linux`	`they are a slot apart`
`00:49.47`	`TD-Linux`	`for the double-wide cooling systems`
`00:49.56`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: they ship it with 7800s...`
`00:49.57`	`JeffM2501`	`and intel dosn't do SLI`
`00:49.57`	`TD-Linux`	`my motherboard only has one pci-16 slot`
`00:50.02`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, wow`
`00:50.15`	`JeffM2501`	`SLI is an nvidia thing`
`00:50.21`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, how much?`
`00:50.22`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: keep in mind that the shuttle systems use a lot less power than a normal desktop system`
`00:50.26`	`JeffM2501`	`true`
`00:50.28`	`JeffM2501`	`it has to :)`
`00:50.57`	`TD-Linux`	`has anyone figured out when CrossFire is supposed to acutally work?`
`00:51.09`	`JeffM2501`	`ooo and it's black`
`00:51.31`	`TD-Linux`	`the last sighting was on a PowerPoint in June, I think`
`00:51.40`	`JeffM2501`	`now that is not a small base price!`
`00:52.43`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: starting at 25`
`00:53.09`	`JeffM2501`	`$3,325.00 for how I'd set it up :)`
`00:53.51`	`purple_cow`	`yep, pricey`
`00:53.58`	`purple_cow`	`but still, that's a slick system`
`00:55.35`	`JeffM2501`	`you tight on space?`
`00:55.39`	`JeffM2501`	`or just want coolness`
`00:55.54`	`JeffM2501`	`and for you, you can save by not going SLI off the bat`
`00:56.01`	`JeffM2501`	`since no SLI in yon linux`
`00:56.56`	`purple_cow`	`i probably wouldn't go for the sli model`
`00:57.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't see you being the huge windows gamer :)`
`00:57.37`	`JeffM2501`	`tho geting 6 displays is nice :)`
`00:59.12`	`purple_cow`	`i'm looking at the one a step lower (sn25p) that doesn't do sli, but it looks like it'd still be at least 1300 for the system w/o a video card`
`00:59.21`	`purple_cow`	`which is a lot more than i can afford atm`
`01:00.06`	`jomojo`	`JeffM2501: I submitted it, but it looks like things might get lost there all the time.. lol`
`01:00.20`	`JeffM2501`	`they don't`
`01:00.30`	`JeffM2501`	`we just don't move as fast as we should`
`01:00.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and lets say "management" isn't as up on them as they should be`
`01:01.31`	`Thumper_`	`JeffM2501: can bzfs be run to just check a world file for validity? - using the return status 0/1 of bzfs to decide if it's good or not?`
`01:01.42`	`Thumper_`	`I don't want the server to actually run for any length of time`
`01:01.45`	`JeffM2501`	`not the way it's coded now`
`01:01.50`	`Thumper_`	`just check if a map is good or not`
`01:01.59`	`JeffM2501`	`you could add in a command line option to do that`
`01:02.05`	`JeffM2501`	`and a couple hooks`
`01:02.08`	`Thumper_`	`ok`
`01:02.28`	`Thumper_`	`I allow maps to be uploaded to my test server (by my admins) and when the map it borked`
`01:02.39`	`Thumper_`	`the server loop runs around trying to start it forever :)`
`01:02.48`	`Thumper_`	`until they upload a fixed map`
`01:03.06`	`Thumper_`	`I was looking for a simple way to validate the map contents during the upload`
`01:03.15`	`Thumper_`	`before actually loading it on the public server`
`01:03.41`	`Thumper_`	`but I can patch bzfs to make that work`
`01:03.47`	`Thumper_`	`thx`
`01:05.50`	`trepan`	`-cacheout will always exit after parsing a file, and has the extra benefit of speeding up the map downloads if you use the cache file`
`01:06.17`	`trepan`	`the few exit(>0) calls in bzfs will still apply`
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`01:17.08`	`TD-Linux`	`how do you tell in bzflag when you are getting a world cache?`
`01:23.50`	`Thumper_`	`trepan: ? what?`
`01:24.14`	`Thumper_`	`trepan: I can use bzfs -cacheout -world blah`
`01:24.15`	`Thumper_`	`?`
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`01:25.24`	`trepan`	`-cacheout needs a filename`
`01:25.42`	`Thumper_`	`ok I'll have to read the man page for that... never used it`
`01:26.03`	`Thumper_`	`what I'm looking for is read a world file and return 0/1 for usable/broken status`
`01:26.03`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501)`
`01:26.04`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`01:26.13`	`trepan`	`the file produced is the same as those found in your clients ~/.bzf/cache/*.bwc`
`01:26.14`	`Thumper_`	`without actually running it`
`01:26.26`	`Thumper_`	`ok I'll try that - thanks`
`01:26.50`	`trepan`	`if it returns 0, it passed (watch out for spin loops)`
`01:27.15`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: if you have any extra AGP cards floating around, i do have a use for that ;)`
`01:27.15`	`Thumper_`	`ok great!`
`01:27.42`	`purple_cow`	`at least, any that have 2 outputs`
`01:28.50`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, of what speed?`
`01:28.54`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe a 5200`
`01:29.24`	`purple_cow`	`doesn't really matter, faster is better`
`01:29.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I will look`
`01:29.37`	`purple_cow`	`of course, the other option is for me to get off my ass and do the frankencard thing`
`01:29.43`	`purple_cow`	`(fans died)`
`01:29.52`	`JeffM2501`	`here all I have is a couple of MXs and they are all single head`
`01:30.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I know I have 5200 somewhere`
`01:34.09`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: cool. 5200 is slow, but it's better than only being able to use text mode`
`01:34.49`	`JeffM2501`	`there may be a full 4Ti somewhere`
`01:35.14`	`JeffM2501`	`many things are still in boxes`
`01:35.23`	`Thumper_`	`so today's stupid question: are there new and exciting things we can do with the 2.0.4 server (new since 2.0.2?) or are most of the changes on the client side?`
`01:35.35`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, plugins`
`01:37.20`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: well, if it's not an fx i probably don't really care that much, 'cuz shaders are nifty :P. it's mostly a question of whether it's cheaper/easier to replace the card or try to mount a cpu fan on it`
`01:37.52`	`JeffM2501`	`what do you have now?`
`01:38.12`	`Thumper_`	`so with a plugin I can signal the CTF cheer when some event happens?`
`01:38.16`	`Thumper_`	`for instance?`
`01:38.26`	`purple_cow`	`5700Q`
`01:38.49`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`01:38.52`	`JeffM2501`	`the internal fany thingy`
`01:39.04`	`JeffM2501`	`often you can retrofit a 486 fan in there`
`01:39.30`	`purple_cow`	`hmm`
`01:39.55`	`purple_cow`	`maybe i'll get my parents to loan me the money to replace the system and take you up on that 6600 offer...`
`01:40.20`	`purple_cow`	`seeing as the 1.7 p4 is getting a little long in the tooth`
`01:40.22`	`JeffM2501`	`you can get mobos and CPUs prety cheap`
`01:40.26`	`JeffM2501`	`oh my`
`01:40.29`	`JeffM2501`	`heck yeah it is`
`01:41.15`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
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`01:48.40`	`jomojo_`	`anyone seen this before?`
`01:48.42`	`jomojo_`	ShockWaveStrategy.cxx: In constructor `
`01:48.43`	`jomojo_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:48.44`	`jomojo_`	ShockWaveStrategy.cxx:44: error: `team' undeclared (first use this function)
`01:48.45`	`jomojo_`	`ShockWaveStrategy.cxx:44: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only`
`01:48.45`	`jomojo_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:48.48`	`jomojo_`	`make[2]: *** [ShockWaveStrategy.o] Error 1`
`01:48.50`	`jomojo_`	`make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1`
`01:48.53`	`jomojo_`	`make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1`
`01:50.29`	`DTRemenak`	`jomojo_: make sure you've updated ShockWaveStrategy.h. might have to wait for anoncvs if it's not all good.`
`01:51.00`	`jomojo`	`DTremank: anoncvs?`
`01:51.29`	`jomojo`	`i don't remember installing ShockWaveStrategy.h in the first place`
`01:52.42`	`jomojo`	`DTRemenak: is that something mac's would have to install?`
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`01:53.09`	`Thumper_`	`does anyone know who made the original Mad City map that ran on turkey.moongroup.net ?`
`01:53.14`	`JeffM2501`	`that is a file in bzflags source`
`01:53.20`	`JeffM2501`	`CVS changed`
`01:53.28`	`JeffM2501`	`get latest again`
`01:53.34`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan had forgoten a file`
`01:53.47`	`jomojo`	`Jeffm2501: are you talking to me?`
`01:54.11`	`brlcad`	`jomojo: yes`
`01:54.19`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`01:54.22`	`JeffM2501`	`get latest again`
`01:54.41`	`jomojo`	`okay because i just downloaded a few minutes ago`
`01:54.48`	`jomojo`	`you are talking cvs right?`
`01:54.51`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`01:54.53`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's behind`
`01:54.57`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan had forgoten a file`
`01:55.06`	`jomojo`	`hmm`
`01:55.10`	`JeffM2501`	`and it can take up to 5 hours for anon to sycn`
`01:55.14`	`JeffM2501`	`so you probably didn't get it`
`01:55.36`	`jomojo`	`ah so should probably wait a few hours?`
`01:55.46`	`JeffM2501`	`hard to say`
`01:55.48`	`trepan`	`ya found the gap ;)`
`01:55.53`	`JeffM2501`	`it updates like every 5 hours`
`01:55.54`	`bryjen`	`Thumper_: i think the one from turkey was a modified version of an even older map`
`01:56.10`	`trepan`	`you can simple add 'TeamColor team;' at the end of the file, just before the closing brace`
`01:56.40`	`trepan`	`s/simple/simply`
`02:01.22`	`jomojo`	`oh doesn't even appear i can login to sourceforge now`
`02:01.28`	`*** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)`
`02:01.59`	`Tegan`	`hi Silent_Swan`
`02:02.08`	`Silent_Swan`	`hi`
`02:02.32`	`Silent_Swan`	`how's things?`
`02:03.12`	`Tegan`	`not good... just got confused and capped my own flag, I hate when people do that.`
`02:03.35`	`Silent_Swan`	`hmm`
`02:03.41`	`Tegan`	`spawned near base, stopped a red from stealing it, then went to put it back, and oops`
`02:03.45`	`Tegan`	`wrong base`
`02:04.10`	`Tegan`	`my horoscope warned me not to play CTF today`
`02:04.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`ah well... **it happens`
`02:04.49`	`Tegan`	`thanks for asking :P`
`02:06.24`	`JeffM2501`	`**it also stinks`
`02:06.41`	`Silent_Swan`	`hi JeffM2501`
`02:06.44`	`JeffM2501`	`hello`
`02:06.46`	`JeffM2501`	`how are you?`
`02:06.55`	`Silent_Swan`	`surviving...`
`02:07.07`	`Aribeth`	`hi y'all`
`02:07.11`	`JeffM2501`	`well that's good`
`02:07.13`	`Silent_Swan`	`hey`
`02:07.22`	`JeffM2501`	`better then not suviving`
`02:07.30`	`Aribeth`	`ya`
`02:07.33`	`Silent_Swan`	`ah, but how do you know? :)`
`02:07.37`	`JeffM2501`	`are the Fry's out by you themed?`
`02:07.45`	`JeffM2501`	`Silent_Swan, been there done that, wasn't fun`
`02:07.47`	`Silent_Swan`	`themed?`
`02:07.54`	`JeffM2501`	`like each has a theme`
`02:08.03`	`Tegan`	`yeah`
`02:08.10`	`JeffM2501`	`ours out here is all alice in wonderland`
`02:08.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`all i know is going into that place scares the .... out of me`
`02:08.18`	`Silent_Swan`	`there is no theme`
`02:08.21`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm wierd`
`02:08.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I hate going there too`
`02:08.37`	`Tegan`	`that must be the HP Lovecraft themed one`
`02:08.39`	`JeffM2501`	`they hate to sell things`
`02:09.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`i was especially disturbed to see the Starbucks inside Fry's...`
`02:09.20`	`JeffM2501`	`whoa`
`02:09.21`	`Aribeth`	`eek`
`02:09.25`	`Silent_Swan`	`of course, around here, there's a Starbucks inside everything`
`02:09.34`	`Silent_Swan`	`last i checked, there's a starbucks in my pants`
`02:09.38`	`JeffM2501`	`nothing in ours ecept for rude people`
`02:09.44`	`Silent_Swan`	`oh, plenty of those, too`
`02:09.51`	`JeffM2501`	`they hate me there`
`02:10.06`	`Aribeth`	`why is that?`
`02:10.10`	`Tegan`	`can I have a tall mocha?`
`02:10.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`i hate going to places like that - i invariably get into arguments with employees`
`02:10.15`	`JeffM2501`	`cus I know what I'm talking about`
`02:10.21`	`Silent_Swan`	`sure, one second...`
`02:10.23`	`Aribeth`	`ahh, yes`
`02:10.29`	`JeffM2501`	`and I tell other customers they don't need the crap they are trying to sell them :)`
`02:10.31`	`Aribeth`	`they do hate that`
`02:10.39`	`Thumper_`	`bzfs +s 60 -s 120 ... will that have between 60 and 120 superflags in the game?`
`02:10.47`	`Silent_Swan`	`i soooooo hate being told what i need`
`02:11.09`	`Silent_Swan`	`"Excuse me, sales droid, I'm here to tell YOU what I need, and it's your job to run along and get it for me..."`
`02:11.10`	`Aribeth`	`went to radio shack for a transistor once`
`02:11.24`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it's anoying`
`02:11.25`	`Thumper_`	`they seem to be spawning one at a time and I only have 18 ... ?`
`02:11.36`	`JeffM2501`	`next time you go in, tell the other customers they don't need it ether`
`02:11.38`	`JeffM2501`	`does wonders :)`
`02:11.39`	`Aribeth`	`the guy told me we have no cross refrence manual, but we have transistors`
`02:11.45`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy they help you first then`
`02:11.48`	`JeffM2501`	`to get you outa there`
`02:12.10`	`Aribeth`	`my reply was well its not going to do me any good without the manual is it`
`02:12.53`	`Aribeth`	`ya, i like that`
`02:13.30`	`Aribeth`	`although, i went a radio shack here nad the guy knew what i was talking about`
`02:13.55`	`Tegan`	`hey fire that guy`
`02:14.10`	`JeffM2501`	`that's because girls who know what they are talking about.. are hot :)`
`02:14.11`	`Aribeth`	`and he wasnt wearing a white shirt`
`02:14.43`	`Silent_Swan`	`really? thought that was their "required uniform"`
`02:14.56`	`Aribeth`	`ya i thought so too`
`02:14.58`	`Tegan`	`he worked at the chicken shop next door?`
`02:15.04`	`Aribeth`	`duno`
`02:15.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I think it all depeends on the management`
`02:16.07`	`Aribeth`	`prolly`
`02:17.04`	`Silent_Swan`	`sigh people on another network/channel having a big discussion about cooking... boring`
`02:17.46`	`*** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`02:18.38`	`*** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@68.50.155.230)`
`02:19.12`	`JeffM2501`	`ok SGI girls, how much is a cheap SGI?`
`02:19.45`	`JeffM2501`	`or do I have sun and SGI mixed up again?`
`02:20.06`	`purple_cow`	`what OS are you looking for?`
`02:20.07`	`Silent_Swan`	`they can be had dirt cheap on ebay`
`02:20.24`	`Silent_Swan`	`i had one that i paid $0 for`
`02:20.33`	`Silent_Swan`	`i no longer have it... ah well`
`02:21.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't know`
`02:21.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I know it's SGI`
`02:22.01`	`Silent_Swan`	`irix`
`02:22.06`	`JeffM2501`	`Silent_Swan, what would I look for on e-bay?`
`02:22.13`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, it's to run the old "bz" game`
`02:22.17`	`Silent_Swan`	`well... i had an old indy...`
`02:22.20`	`Silent_Swan`	`but`
`02:22.21`	`JeffM2501`	`dude can't find the srouce`
`02:22.27`	`Silent_Swan`	`i woudn't expcet to be able to run much on that`
`02:22.31`	`Aribeth`	`an Inigo 2 goes for 100.00 - 150.00`
`02:22.43`	`Silent_Swan`	`i'd recommend something a little newer for that`
`02:22.49`	`JeffM2501`	`Silent_Swan, this would be software as old as bzflag`
`02:22.54`	`JeffM2501`	`but not bzflag`
`02:22.58`	`Silent_Swan`	`oh`
`02:23.02`	`JeffM2501`	`if that makes sense :)`
`02:23.03`	`Silent_Swan`	`then perhaps`
`02:23.19`	`Aribeth`	`an origin isnt bad`
`02:24.01`	`Aribeth`	`jeffM2501, SGI or sun?`
`02:24.12`	`JeffM2501`	`SGI`
`02:24.20`	`JeffM2501`	`they now own the code in question`
`02:24.24`	`*** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`02:24.25`	`Aribeth`	`ahh`
`02:24.33`	`Silent_Swan`	`i have an old sun sparcstation 4 and a 3/50 "pizza box" - i'll pay you to come take them out of my basement :)`
`02:24.40`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad says he may have some of the old executables`
`02:24.44`	`JeffM2501`	`but I have nothing to see it on`
`02:24.45`	`Aribeth`	`an origin or newer would be good`
`02:25.02`	`Silent_Swan`	`JeffM2501 i know someone on another network that works for sgi`
`02:25.04`	`JeffM2501`	`I just want to see the bloddy app :)`
`02:25.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`perhaps i can see if she can come up with something cheap :)`
`02:25.22`	`JeffM2501`	`it's no biggie`
`02:25.25`	`JeffM2501`	`but that would be cool`
`02:25.32`	`Aribeth`	`an indgo2 may be too old. duno`
`02:25.35`	`Silent_Swan`	`or go on undernet during the day and look for "wnunn"`
`02:25.36`	`JeffM2501`	`or even if there was a way to run it remotely and pipe it to X`
`02:25.54`	`JeffM2501`	`Aribeth, it's software from like 94`
`02:26.05`	`Tegan`	`BattleZone?`
`02:26.13`	`Aribeth`	`ohh, then an indigo2 may work`
`02:26.13`	`JeffM2501`	`the old "bz" app`
`02:26.23`	`JeffM2501`	`with difrent tank types`
`02:26.30`	`JeffM2501`	`and missiles and stuff`
`02:26.32`	`Silent_Swan`	`oh bugger`
`02:26.36`	`JeffM2501`	`wanted to see how it played`
`02:26.52`	`Silent_Swan`	`my neighbour discovered that i unscrewed his porch light bulb because he left it on all night`
`02:26.57`	`Silent_Swan`	`and now it's on again`
`02:27.24`	`*** join/#bzflag silverfox (i=vircuser@68-116-47-254.static.mdfd.or.charter.com)`
`02:27.35`	`Tegan`	`never a kid with a wrist rocket around when you need one`
`02:28.05`	`Tegan`	`if they even make those, still`
`02:28.08`	`JeffM2501`	`thats why you shove some crap in there and bust it :)`
`02:28.10`	`JeffM2501`	`they do`
`02:28.16`	`JeffM2501`	`they use our software to make them`
`02:28.17`	`Silent_Swan`	`omg ... i look out my upstairs window here... i can see right into his kitchen... i just saw something i never want to see again`
`02:28.26`	`JeffM2501`	`company sent us a case of em`
`02:28.41`	`JeffM2501`	`should people not do things on there tables like that?`
`02:28.49`	`Silent_Swan`	`oh wait... nevermind... it wasn't that bad`
`02:28.50`	`Silent_Swan`	`haha`
`02:28.53`	`Silent_Swan`	`no, he's an old guy`
`02:29.03`	`Silent_Swan`	`was wearing nothing but a robe apparently open all the way`
`02:29.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`but then he stepped out... he had shorts on`
`02:29.13`	`JeffM2501`	`ewwww`
`02:29.16`	`Silent_Swan`	`yeah`
`02:29.39`	`Silent_Swan`	`think i'll need therapy now`
`02:30.05`	`bryjen`	`now?`
`02:30.08`	`*** join/#bzflag BinarySpike (n=BinarySp@063-099-129-077.plateautel.net)`
`02:30.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`ok, years ago`
`02:30.53`	`BinarySpike`	`when compiling 2.0.4 on Mac os 10.2 I get undefined errors (dlopen, dlclose) I know what it means... so how do I disable plugins in the ./configure?`
`02:31.08`	`BinarySpike`	`I did, ./configure --disable-plugin`
`02:31.14`	`JeffM2501`	`plugins`
`02:31.15`	`JeffM2501`	`S`
`02:31.18`	`JeffM2501`	`there is more then one :)`
`02:31.29`	`BinarySpike`	`ok, should have known... Thx`
`02:31.29`	`Silent_Swan`	`10.2 is getting a bit rusty`
`02:31.35`	`JeffM2501`	`Silent_Swan, that chessecake makes great therapy ;P`
`02:31.44`	`Silent_Swan`	`hmm`
`02:31.46`	`JeffM2501`	`he's one of "those" people`
`02:31.47`	`BinarySpike`	`plugins are the only thing I haven't gotten working`
`02:31.55`	`BinarySpike`	`libcurl compiles fine`
`02:31.57`	`JeffM2501`	`BinarySpike, put an S on it`
`02:32.05`	`JeffM2501`	`doubt they will work`
`02:32.09`	`JeffM2501`	`upgrade :)`
`02:32.17`	`JeffM2501`	`unless your on a beige`
`02:32.19`	`JeffM2501`	`if you are`
`02:32.21`	`JeffM2501`	`UPGRADE :)`
`02:32.30`	`Silent_Swan`	`no, not upgrade - dispose`
`02:32.33`	`BinarySpike`	`I "had" a Panther install disk`
`02:32.51`	`BinarySpike`	`But, the thing it came with broke so i had to send it back before I could install it`
`02:32.57`	`BinarySpike`	`:(`
`02:33.03`	`JeffM2501`	`BinarySpike, it's all excuses, it's REALY easy to steal software, if you wanted it you could have had it by now`
`02:33.20`	`JeffM2501`	`ther eis an iris indigo for 10$`
`02:33.31`	`JeffM2501`	`well it's true :)`
`02:33.43`	`BinarySpike`	`Yeah. but I don't steal from people (maybe... just maybe... Photoshop)`
`02:33.50`	`Silent_Swan`	`haha`
`02:34.00`	`JeffM2501`	`BinarySpike, then go spend the $100`
`02:34.03`	`JeffM2501`	`and get it over with`
`02:34.09`	`BinarySpike`	`$100???`
`02:34.15`	`JeffM2501`	`instead of spending months geting simple tasks to work`
`02:34.38`	`Silent_Swan`	`if (c)Apple had charged $50 for the OS instead of $140, maybe i'd have been good`
`02:34.45`	`Silent_Swan`	`oops.. (cr)Apple`
`02:34.58`	`BinarySpike`	`�`
`02:35.00`	`Silent_Swan`	`hmm`
`02:35.26`	`Silent_Swan`	`it's not a hairball, it's guilt :)`
`02:35.30`	`BinarySpike`	`Seems like it's compiling everything again... (when I did ./configure --disable-plugin it didn't)`
`02:35.35`	`BinarySpike`	`So I guess it's working`
`02:35.45`	`BinarySpike`	`I'll be back if it doesn't`
`02:36.25`	`JeffM2501`	`he is a bonified idjit`
`02:36.34`	`JeffM2501`	`LOL`
`02:36.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and right now I get an IM from him`
`02:36.49`	`JeffM2501`	`"undefined symbols"`
`02:36.56`	`Silent_Swan`	`brb`
`02:37.36`	`bryjen`	`he needs ./configure --do-what-i-want ;)`
`02:37.51`	`JeffM2501`	`he needs to read`
`02:38.00`	`bryjen`	`that too`
`02:38.40`	`Tegan`	`the flag should glow and hum when it gets near an enemy base`
`02:38.44`	`JeffM2501`	`why do none of the SGI systems have hard drives?`
`02:39.22`	`JeffM2501`	`hell I'd settle for somone with one to take some screenshots and describe the bloddy thing to me`
`02:39.24`	`bryjen`	`Tegan: you can't see it on top of your tank`
`02:39.27`	`Tegan`	`it should scream in protest`
`02:39.41`	`JeffM2501`	`the ring wants to be found!`
`02:39.44`	`Tegan`	`it should claw and scratch whoever's carrying it`
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`02:40.29`	`Aribeth`	`so it should bind them then`
`02:40.41`	`JeffM2501`	`in some sort of darkness`
`02:40.55`	`Aribeth`	`never to see thelight`
`02:41.24`	`bryjen`	`don't go in there! It's dark!`
`02:41.31`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
`02:41.41`	`Aribeth`	`oh too late :P`
`02:41.41`	`JeffM2501`	`mum, dad, don't touch it... it's EVIL`
`02:42.10`	`Thumper_`	`use that magic light thing Galadriel gave you`
`02:42.44`	`JeffM2501`	`are you saying Lady Aribeth is short`
`02:42.53`	`Aribeth`	`nope`
`02:43.04`	`JeffM2501`	`Silent_Swan, does his garage lite rule the day it woke you?`
`02:43.32`	`Silent_Swan`	`oh, i'll wait til the old bugger's gone to bed`
`02:43.41`	`JeffM2501`	`so like in 15 min?`
`02:43.41`	`Silent_Swan`	`this time, i'll just take the bulb out`
`02:44.05`	`Silent_Swan`	`perhaps put something non-conductive but difficult to remove in the socket...`
`02:44.17`	`Aribeth`	`a finger?`
`02:44.20`	`JeffM2501`	`poker chip`
`02:44.22`	`Silent_Swan`	`i think the neighbour has a dog`
`02:44.47`	`DTRemenak`	`dogs and light sockets -> hot dogs?`
`02:45.00`	`Silent_Swan`	`nah, i best leave it alone... or he'll figure out it was me`
`02:45.05`	`blast007`	`or insert dog doo into socket`
`02:45.18`	`Silent_Swan`	`blast007 gets the idea`
`02:45.21`	`blast007`	`:)`
`02:45.42`	`JeffM2501`	`an airsoft psg will take that light out`
`02:45.52`	`JeffM2501`	`once you replace the plastic parts with metal parts`
`02:46.02`	`Silent_Swan`	`night should be dark`
`02:46.13`	`Silent_Swan`	`some people think they need 24 daylight`
`02:46.16`	`Silent_Swan`	`24 hour`
`02:46.25`	`bryjen`	`one of those light socket to standard electrical socket converters and a small but loud siren`
`02:46.46`	`blast007`	`all I need is the glow from my monitor, and I'm happy`
`02:46.52`	`bryjen`	`hmm, it'd have to be off when yo did it tho :/`
`02:47.09`	`Silent_Swan`	`ah i could really mess with him... take one of those converters and an old table lamp and leave that on his porch`
`02:47.31`	`Silent_Swan`	`he's old and easily confused`
`02:48.09`	`Silent_Swan`	`and if anyone thinks i'm mean, i give you permission to do the same to me when i reach that age`
`02:48.13`	`Aribeth`	`put a blanket on your window`
`02:48.37`	`Tegan`	`Aribeth, they're called curtains`
`02:48.42`	`Silent_Swan`	`haha`
`02:48.59`	`Aribeth`	`smarty :P`
`02:49.05`	`bryjen`	`it's curtains for you, see, curtains!`
`02:49.45`	`Aribeth`	`awww, they're lovely rocky`
`02:49.57`	`bryjen`	`hehe`
`02:50.12`	`Aribeth`	`too many cartoons`
`02:50.40`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, mac builds fine now that I cleaneed the dir FYI`
`02:50.42`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
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`02:56.32`	`Silent_Swan`	`short, but sweet`
`02:57.50`	`Silent_Swan`	`oh, sorry about the curry smell.. had indian food tonight`
`03:02.08`	`JeffM2501`	`what did you have?`
`03:02.21`	`Silent_Swan`	`saag paneer`
`03:02.29`	`Silent_Swan`	`very tasty`
`03:02.42`	`Silent_Swan`	`and stays with you alllllll night :)`
`03:02.58`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`03:02.58`	`Silent_Swan`	`and no amount of soap helps`
`03:03.25`	`Silent_Swan`	`having worked for 4.5 years in a software company, i know all about that...`
`03:04.46`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah what is wrong with some devs? does water burn them?`
`03:05.04`	`Silent_Swan`	`apparently so`
`03:05.20`	`DTRemenak`	`melts, not burns`
`03:05.42`	`Silent_Swan`	`especially pleasing were the occasional trips to their fragrant offices in order to help them fix something on their computer that I FIXED BEFORE BUT THEY BROKE IT AGAIN... grr`
`03:05.54`	`Silent_Swan`	`and they insist on hanging over my shoulder`
`03:06.04`	`Silent_Swan`	`and i held my breath`
`03:06.44`	`DTRemenak`	`hehehe. fatal error C1003: error count exceeds 100; stopping compilation`
`03:06.59`	`DTRemenak`	`I done broke it :)`
`03:07.57`	`Silent_Swan`	`oh, and by the way... SPSS is going down the tubes`
`03:08.00`	`Silent_Swan`	`fast`
`03:08.40`	`Tegan`	`SPSS?`
`03:08.42`	`bryjen`	`DTRemenak: death by 100 cuts!`
`03:08.49`	`Silent_Swan`	`where i used to work`
`03:09.03`	`Silent_Swan`	`all their top people that weren't laid off have quit`
`03:11.32`	`Silent_Swan`	`'tis a shame.. the original founders were brilliant`
`03:11.47`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm noone is home yet, wonder where they all went`
`03:12.47`	`Tegan`	`hmm, map theme music plugin...`
`03:13.31`	`JeffM2501`	`sadly can't play music`
`03:13.54`	`Silent_Swan`	`sadly, i studied music since i was 11 and planned on it for a career... instead, i wound up in I.T.`
`03:14.08`	`JeffM2501`	`can't play music YET :)`
`03:14.11`	`JeffM2501`	`fmod :)`
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`03:22.23`	`blast007`	`JeffM2501: I hacked the audio code up back in 1.7 so it could play music loops ;) course, it wasn't near anything as good as using fmod`
`03:24.31`	`JeffM2501`	`back in the day man`
`03:25.12`	`Silent_Swan`	`gasp`
`03:27.20`	`Silent_Swan`	`i've migrated to digg.com - noticeable is the lack of hordes of zealots screaming "Does it run on Linux?!?!?!"`
`03:27.53`	`Tegan`	`does it run on Syllable?`
`03:28.00`	`Silent_Swan`	`:)`
`03:28.19`	`Silent_Swan`	`anyone looked at reactOS?`
`03:28.23`	`BenUrban`	`does it run of linux?`
`03:28.26`	`BenUrban`	`sorry`
`03:28.28`	`BenUrban`	`i had to`
`03:28.35`	`Silent_Swan`	`know someone who has taken an interest in it...`
`03:28.43`	`Tegan`	`haven't heard of that one... 'til now`
`03:28.59`	`Silent_Swan`	`it's... interesting... not something i'd be inclined to run, though`
`03:29.09`	`bryjen`	`one of those nuts was in here a while back`
`03:29.20`	`blast007`	`isn't that the thing that will run Windows applications?`
`03:29.23`	`Silent_Swan`	`it is similar in concept to syllable, though`
`03:29.26`	`Silent_Swan`	`blast007 yes`
`03:29.32`	`Silent_Swan`	`it's basically a windows clone`
`03:29.40`	`Silent_Swan`	`built more or less from scratch`
`03:29.54`	`Tegan`	`starting with CPM too?`
`03:30.17`	`Silent_Swan`	`no, this was based around the NT 4 kernel... conceptually, anyway`
`03:30.27`	`Silent_Swan`	`should be highly amusing`
`03:31.21`	`blast007`	`http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/en/screenshots.html`
`03:32.55`	`Silent_Swan`	`wonder how long before microsoft finds a way to shut that project down...`
`03:34.09`	`bryjen`	`iirc, when i looked, it was mostly able to run various opensource apps, and the ability to run commercial windows binaries was iffy`
`03:35.03`	`bryjen`	`at that point, it doesn't offer anything over linux... but maybe it'll move along...`
`03:35.09`	`DTRemenak`	`it's mostly built on wine. as wine improves, reactos will improve.`
`03:35.27`	`Silent_Swan`	`sigh so much new stuff i havn't kept up with... just got tired of IT and keeping up with everything...`
`03:35.58`	`DTRemenak`	`reactos uses its own display and driver deal that mimics NT's, so it has a better chance with a lot of stuff that wine will never run`
`03:41.23`	`trepan`	`is gluSphere() fair game?`
`03:41.56`	`trepan`	`already using a couple of other glu calls...`
`03:43.15`	`trepan`	`as good as answered ;)`
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`03:57.12`	`BinarySpike`	`Ok, um... --disable-plugins didn't work`
`03:57.41`	`Tegan`	`what did it do then?`
`03:58.01`	`BinarySpike`	`Nothing... I still get the undefined errors`
`04:00.45`	`BinarySpike`	`Maybe just bzfs won't work`
`04:02.07`	`Tegan`	`bzfs seems to work here`
`04:02.15`	`BinarySpike`	`I mean compiling`
`04:02.35`	`BinarySpike`	`because the error is generated when compiling bzfs (and all the other libs are compiled just not linked)`
`04:02.58`	`BinarySpike`	`So maybe only bzfs will generate the error... if so then I have to "cd src/bzflag; make"`
`04:03.31`	`BinarySpike`	`seems like c-ares and zlib are not compiled before bzfs...???`
`04:03.58`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC if your OS has them, it uses them`
`04:04.02`	`JeffM2501`	`so it may never build them'`
`04:04.19`	`BinarySpike`	`Well I'm pretty sure I have c-ares and zlib... (lol)`
`04:04.38`	`BinarySpike`	`I think I compiled and installed c-ares when working on Pixie (I think) and zlib on the HVR project`
`04:05.32`	`BinarySpike`	`I found --disable-plugins in the configure file... so I don't know what's going on... :(`
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`04:14.48`	`BinarySpike`	`brb`
`04:16.53`	`Tegan`	`~jomojo++`
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`04:22.29`	`jomojo`	`~jomojo`
`04:22.30`	`ibot`	`i guess jomojo is DUB player`
`04:22.49`	`jomojo`	`~jomojo karma`
`04:23.03`	`jomojo`	`how do i check karma?`
`04:24.10`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot karma jomojo`
`04:24.10`	`ibot`	`jomojo has karma of 3`
`04:24.36`	`menotume`	`JeffM2501: ? about bzIntList`
`04:24.45`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`04:25.00`	`menotume`	`I am using bz_getPlayerIndexList`
`04:25.07`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
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`04:25.39`	`menotume`	`is there any reason why i should use your class to access that vector as opposed to std vector ?`
`04:26.34`	`JeffM2501`	`because you can't send a std::vector accross the DLL boundry`
`04:26.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and you HAVE to use my class to get it`
`04:27.05`	`menotume`	`meanie :p`
`04:27.13`	`JeffM2501`	`not my fualt`
`04:27.19`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a window mem management thing`
`04:27.22`	`menotume`	`:)`
`04:27.47`	`menotume`	`ok, but i can have my own std::vector, right ?`
`04:28.16`	`JeffM2501`	`you can copy it to your own vector that just stays in your plugin, yes`
`04:28.17`	`menotume`	`so, i can use you func on load to get current players, build my own list, then add/delete on player join & leave`
`04:28.28`	`menotume`	`right-o, ok, thz !`
`04:28.28`	`JeffM2501`	`or you can track your own`
`04:28.30`	`JeffM2501`	`your call`
`04:28.45`	`menotume`	`yes, i need to tack htf scores, etc`
`04:28.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I just can't pass a vector from bzfs to the plugin`
`04:28.57`	`menotume`	`gotya`
`04:29.06`	`menotume`	`not even a pointer ?`
`04:29.27`	`JeffM2501`	`not really`
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`04:29.31`	`menotume`	`k`
`04:29.31`	`JeffM2501`	`because it's a template`
`04:29.47`	`JeffM2501`	`so I wraped it`
`04:30.03`	`JeffM2501`	`the problem is the vector can grow`
`04:30.16`	`JeffM2501`	`and the allocation for the grow has to be in the server`
`04:30.18`	`JeffM2501`	`not the plugin`
`04:30.27`	`menotume`	`right`
`04:30.35`	`JeffM2501`	`because it's a template I can't export it`
`04:30.47`	`JeffM2501`	`since the code is implemeted in the template part`
`04:30.58`	`JeffM2501`	`so both the DLL and the server have there own versions of them`
`04:31.08`	`menotume`	`:)`
`04:36.21`	`trepan`	`got sick of the crappy spheres: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/glusphere.jpg`
`04:36.27`	`trepan`	`(experimental qual)`
`04:37.56`	`DTRemenak`	`~trepan++`
`04:38.10`	`trepan`	`needs lighting or something too... looks bland`
`04:39.12`	`trepan`	`hm, ;)`
`04:39.16`	`trepan`	`oops, sans hm,`
`04:40.19`	`trepan`	`brlcad: i already tried DEBUG_GL_MATRIX_STACKS in bzfgl.h, didn't catch anything`
`04:40.43`	`trepan`	`... grasped at a straw`
`04:43.35`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ogl/OpenGLGState.cxx: added gl matrix overflow checking`
`04:44.37`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: the autogen.sh error means he's installed autotools stuff himself (like via fink), which is actually older than what apple provides -- removing fink from his path would have made autogen.sh work`
`04:47.39`	`brlcad`	`any old irix box should have 'bz', it's part of the buttonbox demos just like bzflag`
`04:51.11`	`brlcad`	`trepan: I'm going to try and drop into a debugger later this week to see what I can get gdb to tell me, I somehow doubt it's anything obvious.. :)`
`04:52.19`	`brlcad`	`but it at least might localize to a certain area of code like how the crashes used to point at the tex font code a long while back`
`04:53.12`	`brlcad`	`cool spheres.. needs some shading or something though..`
`04:53.12`	`trepan`	`sounds good to me, not much i can do to help ya ;)`
`04:53.55`	`trepan`	`ya, twas what i was thinking, or perhaps coupled with an alpha'ed texture with a texture matrix`
`04:56.24`	`brlcad`	`programmable vertex shaders that make all sorts of pretty swirlies`
`04:57.01`	`trepan`	`shaders and multitex are where i've draw my line ;)`
`04:57.22`	`trepan`	`the base materials code just isn't worthy`
`05:00.26`	`brlcad`	`something like: http://www.renderman.org/RMR/Shaders/RudyCShaders/RudyCplasmaball.jpg`
`05:00.48`	`purple_cow`	`that's pretty`
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`05:15.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: transforms are top-level objects too`
`05:21.00`	`menotume`	`DTR !`
`05:21.10`	`menotume`	`come back :)`
`05:21.57`	`DTRemenak`	`menotume: eh?`
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`05:43.42`	`silverfox`	`oh, here's one to bookmark for you witty IRC types: http://mercurymustang.tripod.com/224d1f60.jpg`
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`05:55.34`	`menotume`	`DTRemenak: didn't i c u on DUB ?`
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`05:57.29`	`menotume`	`~assclown`
`05:57.30`	`ibot`	`i heard assclown is http://mercurymustang.tripod.com/224d1f60.jpg`
`05:58.23`	`silverfox`	`and another http://mercurymustang.tripod.com/23590fd0.jpg http://mercurymustang.tripod.com/57844dc0.gif`
`05:58.46`	`silverfox`	`ah... ibot knows EVERYTHING.`
`05:59.11`	`menotume`	`only cause I just told it :)`
`05:59.23`	`silverfox`	`just now?`
`05:59.33`	`menotume`	`no, just then`
`05:59.38`	`silverfox`	`heh, alright.`
`05:59.42`	`menotume`	`:D`
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`07:04.44`	`LePoulpe303`	`hi all`
`07:11.41`	`teh_conqerer`	`how'd you know my real name?`
`07:26.31`	`DTRemenak`	`menotume: you may have seen me but I did not see you. joined to test and the test failed :)`
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`08:27.35`	`LePoulpe303`	`what is the name of the linux bzflag config file ?? somebody tell me that with Suse he has config.cfg.linux ???`
`08:27.54`	`LePoulpe303`	`a debian user tell me he has config.cfg , like with window$`
`08:28.04`	`DTRemenak`	`~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg possibly`
`08:28.16`	`DTRemenak`	`otherwise somewhere else in ~/.bzf/`
`08:29.23`	`LePoulpe303`	`DTRemenak : any idea why someone tell me about a config.cfg.linux ??`
`08:29.41`	`DTRemenak`	`sometimes it appends $hostname to it`
`08:30.00`	`DTRemenak`	`so if your computer is called MyFancyComputer you may end up with config.cfg.MyFancyComputer`
`08:30.13`	`LePoulpe303`	`:S`
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`08:33.54`	`LePoulpe303`	`ok ; i'll have to look at files beginning with config.cgf then`
`08:37.57`	`meacan`	`http://googlefor.com/default.aspx?gname=BZFlag :)`
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`09:14.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (16 files in 3 dirs):`
`09:14.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: refactor roaming/observer mode stuff into its own class`
`09:14.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: "local enable effect" options for spawn and shots now affect "driving with" tanks in observer mode`
`09:14.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: shot reload indicators, if enabled, are shown for "driving with" tanks in observer mode`
`09:14.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: fix "roam cycle type backwards" command`
`09:15.01`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: someone who knows how devDriving is supposed to work may want to test it, as it may be broken but should not be hard to fix`
`10:18.55`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak, as you are working with that, I'd like to see the observed tank, even if cloacked`
`10:24.16`	`_Manu_`	`and IB.. and ST...`
`10:24.28`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
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`11:53.50`	`Tupone`	`hmm I would also like to see a message "killed by xxxx", not just in the chat area`
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`13:19.30`	`ToughShooter`	`DTRemenak: ping`
`13:21.01`	`ToughShooter`	`Silly, me. I should have noticed he already left.`
`13:22.56`	`meacan`	`/nick moos-can`
`13:23.28`	`TheRedBaron`	`:0`
`13:26.26`	`meacan`	`:)`
`13:27.28`	`ToughShooter`	`ibot, botmail for DTRemenak: Your change in Roaming.h has broken gcc 4 compilation. Error: http://pastebin.com/382592 , this fixes it: http://pastebin.com/382597 (the highlighted line means there should be an "@@" at beginning of that line)`
`13:33.16`	`TheRedBaron`	`meacan: do you have something to confess? :)`
`13:38.42`	`meacan`	`TheRedBaron: no, if "me-can", then "moos-can" too :). But im still "me-can". So, i just stick with the lag-excuse for now :)`
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`13:59.55`	`meacan`	`~spell minimize`
`14:01.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`meacan: i thought it was "me, a can?!"`
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`14:08.14`	`Grumbler`	`i thought it was dmp spelt in one of those funny languages`
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`14:55.41`	`LePoulpe303`	`anyone uses wincvs ?`
`14:56.30`	`Grumbler`	`nope....i went tortoise`
`14:57.22`	`TheRedBaron`	`I tried wincvs. Then went tortoise also`
`14:57.35`	`LePoulpe303`	`hmmm`
`14:57.51`	`LePoulpe303`	`perhaps i'll try tortoise then`
`14:57.52`	`TheRedBaron`	`may we recommend the tortoise?`
`14:57.57`	`LePoulpe303`	`lol`
`14:58.15`	`LePoulpe303`	`it was what i would call a "de facto recommandation"`
`14:59.00`	`LePoulpe303`	`man i never used a remote cvs , only sourcesafe in LAN , it's , hum , let's say another world`
`14:59.53`	`Grumbler`	`not really, just a few extra arguments to tell it where to get stuff from....and where to put stuff`
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`15:00.20`	`TheRedBaron`	`erk`
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`15:06.42`	`LePoulpe303`	`you're wrong ; it's a great tool ; depends of the usage`
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`15:07.54`	`LePoulpe303`	`but i don't want to recreate neverending debates`
`15:08.34`	`ToughShooter`	`RB is way better than VB but both aren't really good`
`15:08.55`	`jpa-`	`visual basic is evil :/`
`15:08.57`	`jpa-`	`python <3`
`15:09.08`	`LePoulpe303`	`and amiga is better than atari`
`15:09.15`	`LePoulpe303`	`and asm than c`
`15:09.26`	`jpa-`	`rb?`
`15:09.32`	`LePoulpe303`	`and blahblah 25 years i hear these kind of things`
`15:09.48`	`ToughShooter`	`http://realbasic.com/`
`15:10.42`	`Chestal`	`well,the Amiga thing is true,though :-)`
`15:10.48`	`Chestal`	`it's still dead`
`15:11.00`	`ToughShooter`	`a,b,a = 1,2,3`
`15:11.04`	`Chestal`	`or rather undead`
`15:11.33`	`ToughShooter`	`-> a = 3, b = 2 ;)`
`15:11.57`	`LePoulpe303`	`ToughShooter : logical, no ?`
`15:12.28`	`ToughShooter`	`LePoulpe303: This is python's operational semantic`
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`15:13.13`	`TheRedBaron`	`toughshooter: which is which? the latter looks like qbasic`
`15:14.44`	`ToughShooter`	`TheRedBaron: The win part of RB is made by a qbasic dev, IIRC`
`15:16.00`	`TheRedBaron`	`IIRC, qbasic is a dos language.`
`15:25.43`	`Grumbler`	`leave it to Chestal to dig up amigas and spring some life into them..........next thing ya know, ducati will be run on amigas :)`
`15:26.14`	`menotume`	`I have an old TRS-80 model I`
`15:26.22`	`menotume`	`what can we do with that ?`
`15:26.49`	`brlcad`	`warm your house`
`15:26.50`	`Grumbler`	`color computer?`
`15:26.58`	`menotume`	`i upgraded it to the hilt - it has 64K RAM`
`15:27.08`	`menotume`	`no, b&w`
`15:27.14`	`brlcad`	`enough to run brl-cad ;)`
`15:27.26`	`Chestal`	`a whopping 524288 bits!`
`15:27.27`	`menotume`	`2 MHZ Z80 :)`
`15:27.43`	`Grumbler`	`ooooo, z80......i have designed with those`
`15:28.00`	`menotume`	`i did a lot with them at my first POS job`
`15:28.01`	`jpa-`	`brlcad: could you help me fix the AIX install on that RS/6000 so that i could run brl-cad on it? :)`
`15:28.07`	`LePoulpe303`	`menotume : wedge a furniture`
`15:28.17`	`menotume`	`boat anchor`
`15:28.26`	`Grumbler`	`large coaster`
`15:28.43`	`Grumbler`	`open it up and make a popcorn bucket`
`15:28.46`	`brlcad`	`jpa-: sure`
`15:29.08`	`Grumbler`	`theres a sucker born every minute :)`
`15:29.13`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`15:29.47`	`jpa-`	`brlcad: it won't boot. first i had forgotten root password, connected the disc to a PC to reset it, no luck, now it doesn't even boot :/`
`15:32.16`	`brlcad`	`hmm, you couldn't mount the disk?`
`15:32.30`	`brlcad`	`got another aix system to attach it to?`
`15:32.47`	`jpa-`	`nope :/`
`15:33.00`	`jpa-`	`i think the disc might be a bit broken`
`15:33.06`	`jpa-`	`from -91 anyway..`
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`15:34.01`	`jpa-`	`i could reinstall.. if i knew how`
`15:35.02`	`jpa-`	`~200 floppies, the labels of which have nothing useful information.. i don't know if they contain AIX or fortran or something else :D`
`15:36.14`	`Silent_Swan`	`eek`
`15:36.21`	`Silent_Swan`	`floppies must die`
`15:36.30`	`bryjen`	`and take AIX with them`
`15:37.44`	`bryjen`	`eh. i donno. the 6000 we have came preconfigured from the software vendor specifically to run their app. so maybe it's their fault ;)`
`15:38.28`	`Silent_Swan`	`probably`
`15:38.38`	`bryjen`	`thats rs6000, not that we have 6000 of them ;)`
`15:38.47`	`Silent_Swan`	`i've had to install aix so many times now, i've learned to love it`
`15:38.53`	`Silent_Swan`	`yeah :)`
`15:40.50`	`bryjen`	`it has broken your will to resist... that'll learn ya'`
`15:40.51`	`bryjen`	`;)`
`15:41.52`	`jpa-`	`brlcad: that one came preconfigured from trash ,)`
`15:41.56`	`jpa-`	`bah`
`15:41.59`	`jpa-`	`*bryjen:`
`15:42.12`	`Silent_Swan`	`aix broke my will to resist. Sun just broke my will altogether.`
`15:43.08`	`jpa-`	`Silent_Swan: so, from what do you install AIX? :)`
`15:45.48`	`jpa-`	`(the one i assume i might have somewhere is 3.2.5)`
`15:46.02`	`Silent_Swan`	`CD`
`15:46.12`	`Silent_Swan`	`and i've done 4.3.x and 5L`
`15:46.20`	`Silent_Swan`	`none of the older ones, sorry :)`
`15:47.14`	`jpa-`	`:/`
`15:47.49`	`jpa-`	`do you think AIX 4 would run on that old one (RS/6000 7012 320 POWER 20MHz) ?`
`15:48.42`	`Silent_Swan`	`probably`
`15:48.52`	`Silent_Swan`	`not very well`
`15:49.09`	`Silent_Swan`	`check IBM's website... it may not support that hardware`
`15:49.19`	`jpa-`	`yeah.. searching now`
`15:50.00`	`Silent_Swan`	`well, you could always put NetBSD on it :)`
`15:50.31`	`jpa-`	`would it run on it?`
`15:50.34`	`jpa-`	`hmm`
`15:50.45`	`jpa-`	`i just didn't find that linux would`
`15:50.47`	`Silent_Swan`	`i'd be willing to bet it would.. netbsd runs on just about everything`
`15:50.54`	`jpa-`	`cool`
`15:54.48`	`jpa-`	`http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/prep/hardware.html <- doesn't seem 7012 is supported :/`
`15:54.51`	`LePoulpe303`	`hey tortoise rocks ! thanks Grumbler, TheRedBaron !`
`15:55.30`	`TheRedBaron`	`Thanks to Jeffm2501 too. He converted me to it also :)`
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`15:55.57`	`TheRedBaron`	`speak of the devil`
`15:56.21`	`LePoulpe303`	`:)`
`15:56.24`	`LePoulpe303`	`incredible`
`16:09.44`	`Birdie`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3604`
`16:09.45`	`Birdie`	`remove pls`
`16:09.53`	`Birdie`	`(not the topic but that spamming answer)`
`16:12.46`	`JeffM2501`	`it must be morning then`
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`16:26.16`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Roaming.h: be gcc-4 friendly (thx toughshooter)`
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`16:47.13`	`bryjen`	`more asian porn spam?`
`16:47.40`	`JeffM2501`	`ya`
`16:53.38`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Roaming.h: remove declaration of a nonexistent function`
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`17:01.53`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: In how far is bzflag/plugins/doc up to date?`
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`17:03.27`	`brlcad`	`jpa-: yeah, netbsd should run just fine`
`17:03.38`	`jpa-`	`humm`
`17:03.51`	`brlcad`	`even if 'unsupported' (because nobody has one any more..) ;)`
`17:03.56`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, I updated the events yesterday`
`17:04.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I know some functions are missing but they are ones that were not quite ready for the prime time`
`17:04.31`	`brlcad`	`possibly not, but if I were betting between aix and netbsd, I'd pick the latter.. ;)`
`17:05.12`	`ToughShooter`	`I got the python plugin compiling now with a trick that brlcad won't like but it works now :)`
`17:05.13`	`jpa-`	`i'd need support for the display controller graphics modes (X11 that is)`
`17:06.20`	`brlcad`	`aw, not you didn't say nuthin' about graphics support ;)`
`17:07.13`	`jpa-`	`:/`
`17:07.21`	`jpa-`	`and serial port too`
`17:07.22`	`DTRemenak`	`netbsd worked as of 2.0.2. not sure about now but it shouldn't have changed.`
`17:07.42`	`jpa-`	`DTRemenak: er, not speaking about bzflag :D`
`17:08.06`	`DTRemenak`	`jpa-: sorry, missed the first part of the conversation. since this is #bzflag, I made a logical assumption ;)`
`17:08.35`	`jpa-`	`:)`
`17:09.58`	`jpa-`	`hmm, how much data does a R120 DAT-tape hold? any guesses?`
`17:10.17`	`jpa-`	`i have one labelled 'System backup 29.3.1994' but no drive for it :)`
`17:12.12`	`Chestal`	`probably 4GB`
`17:12.23`	`Chestal`	`DDS-2`
`17:12.40`	`jpa-`	`did DDS-2 exist in 1994? :)`
`17:12.57`	`Chestal`	`yep, 1993 according to Wikipedia`
`17:13.10`	`jpa-`	`okies`
`17:13.33`	`Chestal`	`I have some DAT drive here, not sure what it can read`
`17:13.48`	`jpa-`	`i could dig out the type and try to restore.. hopefully it is a 'System backup' and not just some home-partition backup`
`17:14.33`	`jpa-`	`ha, another casette says "DDS Cleaning Cassette"`
`17:17.39`	`jpa-`	`it could be DDS-2, the system has one original 1.5GB harddrive and one 4GB much later, from -97`
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`17:24.15`	`jpa-`	`nah nah, oldskool demo competition at one specific demoparty`
`17:24.38`	`jpa-`	`would be so perfect, atleast the bare calculation power compared to some VIC-20 :)`
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`17:39.02`	`bryjen`	`~bzpastebin`
`17:39.04`	`ibot`	`it has been said that bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/`
`17:41.14`	`bryjen`	`DTRemenak: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/24600`
`17:44.47`	`meacan`	`bzbb admins - more spam: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5450&highlight=`
`17:46.33`	`bryjen`	`Mmm, spam`
`17:49.04`	`JeffM2501`	`again?`
`17:49.27`	`bryjen`	`russian this time`
`17:50.05`	`bryjen`	`well, a .ru url at least`
`17:50.08`	`DTRemenak`	`I deleted two this morning too`
`17:50.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I did one`
`17:50.25`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx Roaming.h): quell some gcc warnings (thx bryjen)`
`17:50.29`	`Grumbler`	`its actually three guys in cozumel`
`17:50.40`	`JeffM2501`	`do Ip bans then`
`17:50.44`	`bryjen`	`adds for octoberfests`
`17:50.46`	`bryjen`	`;)`
`17:51.15`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: I dunno if that will actually fix all those warnings, but it ought to`
`17:52.31`	`bryjen`	`you're using /that/ platform again, aren't you, DTRemenak?`
`17:52.41`	`bryjen`	`for shame ;)`
`17:53.28`	`bryjen`	`yup. compiles fine now.`
`17:56.00`	`DTRemenak`	`probably ought to Do Something about Roster.h though. got a fistful of globally-exposed externs.`
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`18:01.33`	`brlcad`	`Roaster.h? roast up a good blt .. oh, you said Roster ;)`
`18:02.18`	`ToughShooter`	`I would like to commit first changes to the python plugin. How should I do this?`
`18:03.24`	`JeffM2501`	`make a patch`
`18:03.24`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: if you have commit access, commit it; if you don't, then cvs diff -U and post up the patch to sourceforge`
`18:03.33`	`JeffM2501`	`and somone else will commit it`
`18:04.01`	`ToughShooter`	`Is it ok to have much little patches or rather having one big?`
`18:04.23`	`brlcad`	`you have a cvs checkout yes?`
`18:04.41`	`brlcad`	`use cvs to make the patch`
`18:04.44`	`ToughShooter`	`I know to to do a diff to what's in CVS`
`18:06.36`	`brlcad`	`then the question doesn't make much sense.. :)`
`18:06.59`	`brlcad`	`don't make a dozen tiny patch files for each file.. that's a pain to apply`
`18:07.10`	`brlcad`	`just cvs diff -U > mypatch.diff`
`18:07.35`	`ToughShooter`	`Ok, then I'll update all events first and then make a patch`
`18:07.57`	`brlcad`	`if you add new files, just tar them up together`
`18:08.04`	`brlcad`	`(just the new ones)`
`18:08.49`	`ToughShooter`	`Just wondering whether it's better to have much little patches or rather big ones`
`18:09.08`	`JeffM2501`	`one big one is easyer for us`
`18:09.19`	`JeffM2501`	`little ones would mean the patches build on each other`
`18:09.27`	`JeffM2501`	`what timeframe are we talking about here?`
`18:10.07`	`ToughShooter`	`I use to do stuff in little steps all days ;)`
`18:10.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just changes to the plugin?`
`18:11.00`	`ToughShooter`	`yes`
`18:11.13`	`JeffM2501`	`send me the moded files when you want and I'll commit them`
`18:11.18`	`ToughShooter`	`but I don't want commit access`
`18:11.30`	`ToughShooter`	`I fear I could screw up whole CVS`
`18:11.53`	`JeffM2501`	`why would you do that?`
`18:11.57`	`JeffM2501`	`and we can allways revert`
`18:12.08`	`JeffM2501`	`but just send em to me`
`18:12.23`	`ToughShooter`	`because I am not familiar with CVS`
`18:13.06`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: ok`
`18:14.17`	`ToughShooter`	`BTW: I'm more fighting with the whitespaces than with the code`
`18:16.18`	`DTRemenak`	`what editor are you using? many editors can be set to do your whitespace correctly automatically`
`18:22.50`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Roaming.cxx Roaming.h callbacks.cxx playing.cxx): make roaming a proper singleton`
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`18:38.54`	`ToughShooter`	`DTRemenak: XCode 2.0`
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`19:38.42`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: BZFlag has set whitespace guidelines -- you'd have to change XCode's default settings to match bzD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D's style`
`19:38.55`	`brlcad`	`wierd`
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`19:39.22`	`brlcad`	`ToughShooter: the DEVINFO file has more details`
`19:39.31`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: I know that it has whitespace guidlines. That's why I was copying and pasting whitespace all the time`
`19:39.35`	`JeffM2501`	`ehh i'm gonna be commiting for him, so Tim should come o expect WS :)`
`19:39.42`	`callofhonor`	`hi`
`19:40.16`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: I figured, but he might as well learn the formatting if he's going to keep contributing`
`19:40.24`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/bzflag.dev: add roaming.cxx`
`19:40.26`	`brlcad`	`and set up the tool to deal with it properly`
`19:40.31`	`ToughShooter`	`What is "bzD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D"?`
`19:40.42`	`callofhonor`	`If somebody had the money to make a BZflag headquarters would you guys agree to it`
`19:40.53`	`brlcad`	`weirdness .. should have just been "bz's"`
`19:41.17`	`brlcad`	`callofhonor: what do you mean by a headquarters?`
`19:41.17`	`ToughShooter`	`aha :)`
`19:41.21`	`brlcad`	`office space?`
`19:41.31`	`JeffM2501`	`who would go there?`
`19:41.33`	`brlcad`	`not much point to having that ;)`
`19:41.52`	`brlcad`	`unless someone's going to pay people to sit in there`
`19:42.02`	`JeffM2501`	`now a convenion in vegas :)`
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`19:42.08`	`callofhonor`	`convention*`
`19:42.17`	`JeffM2501`	`you know what I meant`
`19:42.23`	`callofhonor`	`no ;P`
`19:43.01`	`brlcad`	`callofhonor: so .. what did you mean?`
`19:43.16`	`brlcad`	`nothing of consequence apparently`
`19:43.21`	`JeffM2501`	`and he's spent`
`19:44.38`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, how does one build the app package for yon bzflag?`
`19:44.44`	`JeffM2501`	`just build from xcode?`
`19:45.25`	`brlcad`	`that should work (after an autogen.sh on the command line -- it's meant to run from a source distro)`
`19:45.33`	`brlcad`	`but I usually just copy an existing`
`19:45.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I've fully built from command line`
`19:45.42`	`brlcad`	`i.e. copy into an existing`
`19:45.49`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`19:46.09`	`brlcad`	`only thing you have to be careful about is what libraries linked in`
`19:46.25`	`JeffM2501`	`I just want a double clicky thing`
`19:46.26`	`brlcad`	`by default, it will link against several libraries that it shouldn't (like X11) if they exist`
`19:46.31`	`brlcad`	`which will fail for others`
`19:46.45`	`brlcad`	`my build ienvironment has those manually disabled so it's never a problem`
`19:46.51`	`JeffM2501`	`why does it do that by default?`
`19:46.53`	`brlcad`	`but for yourself, it'll work`
`19:47.17`	`brlcad`	`the configure script presumes that if X11 libs link that that is what you want/need`
`19:47.30`	`brlcad`	`take a bit of reworking to decouple that`
`19:47.36`	`JeffM2501`	`can we make it NOT presume?`
`19:48.15`	`brlcad`	`of course, it's just a bit of reworking on the logic .. one of about a dozen things like that in the configure file that need to be reworked fully`
`19:48.32`	`menotume`	`woo hoo. htf plugin works`
`19:48.45`	`JeffM2501`	`cooleo`
`19:48.49`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`19:48.59`	`menotume`	`still a lot more features to add, but it's working`
`19:49.37`	`JeffM2501`	`sadly I can't do that with out changing the proto`
`19:49.41`	`JeffM2501`	`for player scores`
`19:49.52`	`JeffM2501`	`have to make the client NOT track any scores`
`19:50.12`	`menotume`	`yes, i'm just displaying a 'scoreboard' in the chat msgs`
`19:50.22`	`menotume`	`works fine`
`19:50.28`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
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`19:53.26`	`JeffM2501`	`wow does the mac NOT like that drawinfo test server :)`
`19:54.33`	`Birdie`	`is this only me, or with that new version, i see several people jumpy while they hardly have lag or jitter`
`19:55.57`	`Tupone`	`like 1.10 ?`
`19:58.13`	`menotume`	`Birdie: are the ME people ?`
`19:58.21`	`menotume`	`they`
`19:58.27`	`Tupone`	`he is :)`
`19:58.33`	`menotume`	`yep :)`
`19:58.40`	`Grumbler`	`pull!`
`19:58.55`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: how not?`
`19:59.10`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, slower the hell`
`19:59.17`	`JeffM2501`	`chunk a chunk chunk`
`19:59.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it was spf not fps`
`20:00.33`	`trepan`	`vidcard in the mac? ati?`
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`20:01.33`	`JeffM2501`	`radeon 9200`
`20:01.34`	`JeffM2501`	`I think`
`20:01.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a mini`
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`20:02.18`	`gsnedders`	`yeah 9200.`
`20:02.30`	`ruskie`	`Chestal, that happens on viper as welll`
`20:02.42`	`ruskie`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh`
`20:02.43`	`gsnedders`	`32MB in all but the very latest version, which has 64MB (VRAM)`
`20:02.45`	`ruskie`	`stupid pg up`
`20:02.58`	`ruskie`	`I was like a day behind`
`20:03.02`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`20:03.08`	`BenUrban`	`how big is YOUR page?`
`20:03.08`	`gsnedders`	`lol.`
`20:03.11`	`ruskie`	`I hate it when that happens`
`20:03.21`	`ruskie`	`BenUrban, I have a few days worth of scrollback buffer`
`20:04.32`	`uso`	`hehe, radeon 9200, the worst supported card of bzflag ;)`
`20:04.49`	`JeffM2501`	`what makes you say that?`
`20:05.01`	`JeffM2501`	`considering we don't do much for specific cards`
`20:05.15`	`uso`	`or better the worst fitting card for bzflag`
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`20:05.34`	`JeffM2501`	`again, why do you say that?`
`20:05.54`	`Tupone`	`hey gina`
`20:06.00`	`gina`	`hoi Tupone`
`20:06.01`	`Tupone`	`ciao`
`20:06.11`	`uso`	`from the power of the card bzflag should run fine, but it doesn't`
`20:06.16`	`gsnedders`	`i played BZflag on a powerbook with Raedeon 7500 for a while`
`20:06.21`	`JeffM2501`	`then that means it's drivers`
`20:06.21`	`gina`	`ciao, amice, comeva`
`20:06.26`	`JeffM2501`	`and each OS has drivers`
`20:06.36`	`Tupone`	`molto bene ora :)`
`20:06.37`	`JeffM2501`	`before these changes it ran fine on this machine`
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`20:06.42`	`gsnedders`	`got 20fps on v1.10 with highest settings :)`
`20:06.43`	`JeffM2501`	`it is now sloer`
`20:06.48`	`gina`	`bene :)`
`20:06.50`	`JeffM2501`	`even with old geo`
`20:07.02`	`uso`	`with 1.10 it runs fine`
`20:07.08`	`*** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.151)`
`20:07.26`	`gsnedders`	`(I now play on a Dual G5 with a 6800 Ultra, around 100fps (with lots of other things in the background))`
`20:07.37`	`gsnedders`	`all settings highest, 2560x1600`
`20:07.45`	`uso`	`wow :)`
`20:07.57`	`JeffM2501`	`you only get 1000?`
`20:07.57`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`20:08.01`	`JeffM2501`	`that has to suck`
`20:08.09`	`gsnedders`	`but the really high res`
`20:08.11`	`JeffM2501`	`still`
`20:08.20`	`gsnedders`	`that's what causes it, IIRC`
`20:08.23`	`menotume`	`that's some small pixels`
`20:08.30`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a big display`
`20:08.32`	`gsnedders`	`30" ACD HD`
`20:08.36`	`menotume`	`eeeep`
`20:08.40`	`JeffM2501`	`apples drivers take foreever to update`
`20:09.59`	`JeffM2501`	`what is the pixel update time on that display?`
`20:10.37`	`uso`	`100dpi, rather low`
`20:12.21`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: were shadows or fog visible? (esp. stencil shadows)`
`20:12.49`	`gsnedders`	`and I've forgotten what the pixel update time is :)`
`20:12.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I did turn on stencil shadows`
`20:12.59`	`JeffM2501`	`fog was on, but I did not see any`
`20:13.04`	`Birdie`	`hey, i've noticed that ME players are jumpier on this version (quote from menotume)`
`20:13.05`	`JeffM2501`	`want me to try in stipple?`
`20:13.15`	`gsnedders`	`anyhow, i'll try turning down the res`
`20:13.18`	`gsnedders`	`see how many FPS`
`20:13.19`	`gina`	`ME is garbage`
`20:13.22`	`trepan`	`ah toggle fog... both DrawInfo server have it enabled`
`20:13.30`	`trepan`	`s/ah/and`
`20:13.45`	`Birdie`	`hello gina`
`20:14.53`	`JeffM2501`	`still horible`
`20:15.11`	`gina`	`hey Birdie`
`20:16.33`	`trepan`	`oh well, not much i can do from here, maybe it just plain sucks ;)`
`20:16.43`	`JeffM2501`	`it runs wow ok`
`20:16.49`	`JeffM2501`	`but it may just suck`
`20:18.10`	`trepan`	`perhaps wow is using apple's VARs instead, tuned to the OS`
`20:19.24`	`trepan`	`the other thing that seems to really kill some setups is 'smooth' enabled with radar`
`20:24.23`	`ToughShooter`	`the drawinfo servers are plain slow, even without radar and smoothing`
`20:25.40`	`ToughShooter`	`my card does run "Nanosaur 2" and Doom 3 fine but is hopeless in BZFlag :/`
`20:26.15`	`trepan`	`ToughShooter: setup?`
`20:27.27`	`ToughShooter`	`ATI Radeon 9600 with 128MB DDR RAM, 1*2GHZ G5, 667MHZ FSB, 512MB DDR RAM`
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`20:31.17`	`JeffM2501`	`the draw info servers run perfect on windows`
`20:31.32`	`RPG_`	`i can attest to that`
`20:31.41`	`ToughShooter`	`I am happy that the menu's react at all on my Mac`
`20:31.44`	`trepan`	`even on ati's?`
`20:31.58`	`RPG_`	`ATI Radeon 9250`
`20:32.17`	`RPG_`	`when you say "draw info servers", i take it trepan's servers with the spinning objects`
`20:32.20`	`ToughShooter`	`There is only a delay of 10 seconds when I try to go through the menu's`
`20:32.43`	`ToughShooter`	`the one with objects only in the middle runs fine`
`20:32.43`	`JeffM2501`	`and the 8million faces`
`20:32.52`	`trepan`	`the ones with 'DrawInfo Test Server' in the title`
`20:33.09`	`RPG_`	`Didn't go to one of those`
`20:33.28`	`ToughShooter`	`but drawinfo test #2 is not performant`
`20:33.57`	`ToughShooter`	`I asked CBG to join there and he asked me whether I tried to kill his little ibook`
`20:34.21`	`RPG_`	`yep, drawInfo servers work fine. Although, when I'm spinning in circles, the sky seems to turn darker and lighter`
`20:34.40`	`ToughShooter`	`He got 0 FPS at /roampos 45 just like me in all resolutions`
`20:35.10`	`ToughShooter`	`but he used an ATI card, too`
`20:36.19`	`JeffM2501`	`doubt it's ATI`
`20:36.36`	`JeffM2501`	`probabjy just soomething in how apple did the GL we are using`
`20:38.54`	`JeffM2501`	`may be able to test it tomorrow`
`20:38.59`	`RPG_`	`can you even swap out cards on a mac?`
`20:39.06`	`JeffM2501`	`couple of em at work have nv I think`
`20:39.09`	`RPG_`	`I thought everything was hardwired in`
`20:39.13`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, depends on the mac`
`20:39.19`	`JeffM2501`	`same as it depends on the PC`
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`20:39.32`	`trepan`	`http://www.apple.com/powermac/graphics.html (at least some are listed with nvidia)`
`20:39.43`	`JeffM2501`	`some ship with em`
`20:40.38`	`Silent_Swan`	`RPG_ of course you can always add cards if you don't like what's wired in`
`20:41.01`	`RPG_`	`I never owneded a mac in my life`
`20:41.05`	`ToughShooter`	`Silent_Swan, Are you on a Mac?`
`20:41.06`	`JeffM2501`	`they are just computers`
`20:41.13`	`Silent_Swan`	`i have an older G4 at home`
`20:41.13`	`JeffM2501`	`some have onboard, some don't`
`20:41.14`	`menotume`	`JeffM2501: i THINK I'm getting bz_PlayerJoinPartEventData->team of eRabbitTeam when an OBS joins.`
`20:41.16`	`Silent_Swan`	`rather like it`
`20:41.29`	`Silent_Swan`	`but i refuse to buy another apple since they decided to switch to intel`
`20:41.31`	`JeffM2501`	`menotume, put a breakpoint and see :)`
`20:41.41`	`menotume`	`well, i'm getting 5`
`20:41.56`	`menotume`	`which I think is eRabbitTReam`
`20:42.10`	`RPG_`	`menotume: probably. wegstar had that same problem`
`20:42.14`	`menotume`	`k`
`20:42.20`	`JeffM2501`	`put a breakpoint and see`
`20:42.22`	`JeffM2501`	`don't guess`
`20:42.22`	`JeffM2501`	`know`
`20:43.49`	`menotume`	`ok, i AM getting eRabbit`
`20:44.38`	`JeffM2501`	`step back into the game and see what sets it :)`
`20:44.52`	`JeffM2501`	`is it on the join or the part?`
`20:44.53`	`JeffM2501`	`or both?`
`20:44.56`	`menotume`	`join`
`20:45.01`	`menotume`	`i am not using a debugger :)`
`20:45.15`	`menotume`	`debuggers are for whimps`
`20:45.19`	`menotume`	`j/k :D`
`20:45.26`	`JeffM2501`	`part do the same thing?`
`20:45.29`	`Silent_Swan`	`just patch a running binary`
`20:45.45`	`menotume`	`lemme see`
`20:47.30`	`JeffM2501`	`bahh`
`20:47.32`	`JeffM2501`	`the enums wrong`
`20:50.39`	`JeffM2501`	`there are more things in the API enum then the bz one`
`20:50.41`	`JeffM2501`	`fixing now`
`20:52.34`	`menotume`	`looks like 'team' is invalid on the part event`
`20:52.45`	`menotume`	`1869374838 :)`
`20:53.01`	`JeffM2501`	`checking`
`20:53.07`	`JeffM2501`	`have to add a fix for hunters too`
`20:53.12`	`JeffM2501`	`since they arn't really a "team"`
`20:59.09`	`Tupone`	`menotume: thinking about the listserver issue`
`20:59.46`	`Tupone`	`menotume: your chat client does not beep ?`
`20:59.53`	`menotume`	`i'm getting invalid playerpart events too`
`21:00.01`	`menotume`	`Tupone: no, still no beep`
`21:00.02`	`JeffM2501`	`the enum is jacked`
`21:00.13`	`JeffM2501`	`it's going to make all team fields bad`
`21:00.21`	`JeffM2501`	`Im fixing the converter it will fix all of them`
`21:00.56`	`Tupone`	`I think I could solve that issue, checktoken should report token not good if player exists and token is wrong`
`21:01.32`	`Tupone`	`if player do not exist, it should report the same as we don't have passed a token to listserver`
`21:03.30`	`menotume`	`?`
`21:03.45`	`menotume`	`ohhh, listserver checks for existance only if token <0 ?`
`21:03.57`	`menotume`	`and still say badtok/goodtok`
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`21:17.02`	`Silent_Swan`	`yawn`
`21:18.00`	`menotume`	`yawn`
`21:18.12`	`menotume`	`that's kibda catching`
`21:18.23`	`Silent_Swan`	`yeah`
`21:18.26`	`Silent_Swan`	`contagious`
`21:18.37`	`Silent_Swan`	`'tis a slow day here`
`21:18.42`	`menotume`	`ahh`
`21:18.47`	`Silent_Swan`	`at work, that is`
`21:19.22`	`RPG_`	`where you work?`
`21:19.59`	`Silent_Swan`	`at a really crappy job`
`21:20.06`	`Silent_Swan`	`but it pays the bills`
`21:20.07`	`Silent_Swan`	`almost`
`21:20.18`	`Silent_Swan`	`working on security audit stuff`
`21:20.34`	`Silent_Swan`	`sarbanes-oxley and hippa crap`
`21:21.26`	`Silent_Swan`	`basically i just stare at my desk for a few hours. it looks like i'm working.`
`21:21.43`	`menotume`	`:)`
`21:22.15`	`Silent_Swan`	`therapeutic`
`21:22.18`	`menotume`	`lol`
`21:22.50`	`menotume`	`wuh, uh, buh, do you have a stapla ?`
`21:23.08`	`Silent_Swan`	`I'm going to need you to move down to... Storage 'B'... yeah`
`21:23.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`that would be great`
`21:24.24`	`Tupone`	`menotune, I'm saying if player do not exist, do not report anything, like token is 0`
`21:25.05`	`menotume`	`ahh`
`21:25.12`	`Tupone`	`hmmm, does not work`
`21:25.23`	`menotume`	`so they way it is now is wither TOKBAD or nothing?`
`21:25.55`	`menotume`	`in any case, the listserver changes shouldn't be bad, just lemme know what is best for you (and bzfs)`
`21:26.31`	`Tupone`	`if player exist report ok, not ok like is now`
`21:26.55`	`Tupone`	`if player do not exist, report, NOTEXIST or something`
`21:27.10`	`menotume`	`ahh, OK`
`21:27.31`	`Tupone`	`That if token /= 0`
`21:27.45`	`Tupone`	`if token = 0 do like is doing now`
`21:27.54`	`menotume`	`err`
`21:28.04`	`menotume`	`<=0 or <0 ?`
`21:28.32`	`Tupone`	`== 0 do not any checking like is now`
`21:28.41`	`menotume`	`ohhh`
`21:29.14`	`Tupone`	`there should be a test there now, as I see that if you pass 0 it reacts like no check is requested`
`21:29.28`	`menotume`	`makes sense`
`21:30.15`	`Tupone`	`so, when /= 0, or in c++ != 0 :) do the check if player exist (TOKOK, or NOTOK) whathever is`
`21:30.36`	`Tupone`	`if player does not return NOTREG (?)`
`21:31.01`	`Tupone`	`enough obfuscated ? :)`
`21:31.59`	`Tupone`	`I should drink less wine`
`21:32.03`	`menotume`	`lol`
`21:33.11`	`Tupone`	`When you have done this, I'll try to code the request in bzfs. What I want to do is that a registered, but not authenticated player got a '-'`
`21:33.20`	`menotume`	`right`
`21:33.32`	`menotume`	`is this a new commandtype, or the existing checktoken ?`
`21:34.15`	`Tupone`	`I will use exactly the same parameters in the request. Just checktoken = -1 when I got no token fro mclient`
`21:34.28`	`menotume`	`k`
`21:35.12`	`Tupone`	`I don't think we can ever get -1 as a valid token. If that is, it does not happen a lot :)`
`21:37.01`	`bryjen`	`from bzfls.php: $token = rand(0,2147483647);`
`21:37.33`	`Tupone`	`so we are safe :)`
`21:38.07`	`bryjen`	`or you could use a word, like NONE`
`21:38.27`	`Tupone`	`:) good hint`
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`21:54.03`	`Silent_Swan`	`hmm that was nice`
`21:54.21`	`Silent_Swan`	`the last 20 min. or so, my session was hung... just thought no one was talking`
`22:00.08`	`DTRemenak`	`actually...noone was talking. didn't miss much.`
`22:00.15`	`Silent_Swan`	`cool`
`22:00.30`	`RPG_`	`:)`
`22:00.30`	`RPG_`	`Silent_Swan left the room (quit: "ircII EPIC5-0.0.6 -- Are we there yet?").`
`22:00.30`	`RPG_`	`Silent_Swan [n=pepper@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] entered the room.`
`22:07.58`	`bryjen`	`there were 16 minutes between Tupone's last word and Silent_Swan's exit.`
`22:08.15`	`bryjen`	`Tupone is not no one :)`
`22:08.30`	`Tupone`	`:)`
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`22:08.58`	`*** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`22:13.15`	`*** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.151)`
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`22:37.16`	`JeffM2501`	`does it qualify for federal disaster relief ?`
`22:40.49`	`Silent_Swan`	`absolutely`
`22:41.02`	`Silent_Swan`	`it qualifies for Silent_Swan's New Car Relief Fund`
`22:41.17`	`JeffM2501`	`will any high standing public officals lose there job over poor handling of the yawn cleanup?`
`22:42.05`	`Silent_Swan`	`:)`
`22:42.07`	`Silent_Swan`	`one can hope`
`22:42.29`	`JeffM2501`	`what kind of car does the fund go for?`
`22:43.05`	`Silent_Swan`	`a 2006 Audi S4`
`22:43.21`	`JeffM2501`	`that's going to be a prety decent fund`
`22:43.22`	`Silent_Swan`	`black`
`22:43.28`	`JeffM2501`	`there are other colors?`
`22:43.39`	`Silent_Swan`	`haha.. most audi's i've seen (mine included) are silver`
`22:44.09`	`JeffM2501`	`did you pick silver?`
`22:44.10`	`Silent_Swan`	`audi & bmw both...`
`22:44.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`yes`
`22:44.23`	`Silent_Swan`	`when i got mine, it wasn't such a popular colour yet`
`22:44.35`	`Silent_Swan`	`the advantage is that it doesn't show the dirt :)`
`22:44.45`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`22:44.48`	`JeffM2501`	`black does`
`22:45.13`	`Silent_Swan`	`sure does`
`22:45.29`	`Silent_Swan`	`but i just think the S4 looks neat in black :)`
`22:45.43`	`JeffM2501`	`do SGI machines take normal keyboard,mouse, monitor, and drives?`
`22:45.45`	`Silent_Swan`	`oh.. and... i'd like a TT for the summer, too`
`22:45.50`	`Silent_Swan`	`ummm...`
`22:45.51`	`Silent_Swan`	`no`
`22:45.58`	`Silent_Swan`	`i don't think they take ps/2 kbd/mouse`
`22:46.04`	`Silent_Swan`	`as for drives, probably scsi`
`22:46.07`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd like a new trunk`
`22:46.18`	`JeffM2501`	`all the ones on ebay have no drives`
`22:46.22`	`Silent_Swan`	`hmm`
`22:48.15`	`Silent_Swan`	`ooh.. remember i said i know someone at SGI... she was online earlier today but i just missed her...`
`22:49.12`	`JeffM2501`	`well such is life`
`22:49.28`	`JeffM2501`	`probably the universe telling me I don't need to get a computer just to se an old game`
`22:50.00`	`Silent_Swan`	`no, the universe is just making it a challenge :)`
`22:50.12`	`Silent_Swan`	`loaded with thrills and excitement`
`22:50.20`	`JeffM2501`	`really?`
`22:50.29`	`JeffM2501`	`I do so like excitement`
`22:51.07`	`JeffM2501`	`I can't use the one I have here?`
`22:51.47`	`*** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B004E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`22:52.11`	`Silent_Swan`	`has it been blessed?`
`22:52.25`	`JeffM2501`	`is cursed good enough?`
`22:52.31`	`Silent_Swan`	`works for me`
`22:52.36`	`JeffM2501`	`sweet`
`22:52.59`	`JeffM2501`	`this O2 seems to have both the SGI vid connector and a VGA`
`22:54.08`	`JeffM2501`	`why does water fall on coins?`
`22:54.11`	`JeffM2501`	`are you near a foutan?`
`22:54.25`	`Silent_Swan`	`hehe...`
`22:54.33`	`Silent_Swan`	`you never played Nethack, did you?`
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`22:54.56`	`thesnake`	`hi`
`22:55.17`	`Silent_Swan`	`hi`
`22:55.37`	`Silent_Swan`	`you're not venomous, are you?`
`22:55.47`	`JeffM2501`	`or constritive?`
`22:57.52`	`thesnake`	`is ducati still up these days?`
`22:58.04`	`thesnake`	`hallo chestal`
`22:58.21`	`JeffM2501`	`he's probably sleeping`
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`22:58.57`	`thesnake`	`JeffM2501: do you know prodan?`
`23:03.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I have heard the name before`
`23:03.44`	`JeffM2501`	`back in the day`
`23:03.58`	`thesnake`	`JeffM2501, ducati is dead?`
`23:04.13`	`thesnake`	`i didn't play for a long time:-)`
`23:04.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I think it ended a long long while ago`
`23:05.24`	`thesnake`	`you know why?`
`23:05.31`	`trepan`	`DTRemenak: roam mode doesn't reset when rejoining without killing the client`
`23:05.33`	`JeffM2501`	`I think he lost access to the machine`
`23:05.39`	`JeffM2501`	`or somethign like that`
`23:05.45`	`JeffM2501`	`wasn't able to keep it where it was basicly`
`23:05.46`	`thesnake`	`uff, ok, thanks`
`23:06.10`	`thesnake`	`sad`
`23:12.13`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: http://bash.org/?556673 reminded me of your chat with the kiddie :)`
`23:12.45`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`23:26.20`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (CommandsImplementation.cxx Roaming.cxx Roaming.h playing.cxx): reset roaming camera when joining a new game. fix /roampos command.`
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