| 00:12.43 | brlcad | ~dict prude |
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| 00:39.28 | glide | trying to compile bzflag-2.0.4 on amd64, getting ares_cancel.c:1: error: bad value (x86_64) for -mtune= switch |
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| 00:41.14 | glide | mtune should be k8, correct? |
| 00:43.05 | glide | posting a bug |
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| 00:49.13 | brlcad | glide: what version of gcc? |
| 00:49.24 | glide | brlcad: 3.4.4 |
| 00:49.25 | brlcad | for that matter.. what OS and compiler? |
| 00:50.09 | glide | gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (Gentoo 3.4.4-r1, ssp-3.4.4-1.0, pie-8.7.8) |
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| 00:55.24 | ogami1972 | hi channel |
| 00:55.36 | ogami1972 | i can't get 2.x to start |
| 00:56.09 | ogami1972 | i get "X Error" |
| 00:56.42 | trepan | try starting with: bzflag -window |
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| 00:57.30 | trepan | then go fullscreen with F1, and adjust your resolution with options -> display -> change video format |
| 00:57.39 | trepan | (assuming you have an SDL version) |
| 00:57.41 | ogami1972 | cool |
| 00:58.00 | brlcad | glide: fixed, thanks |
| 00:58.16 | glide | that was quick :) |
| 00:58.26 | brlcad | simple problem, simple fix |
| 00:58.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.ac: gcc's athlon64 mtune cpu type doesn't match it's config.guess cpu type, so accommodate. silly hack should be made into proper configure compiler option tests, but that's a bigger effort. |
| 00:59.09 | brlcad | we shouldn't be setting that mtune switch by default, imo either without better tests .. but oh well |
| 00:59.40 | glide | what am i missing without the mtune switch? |
| 00:59.56 | glide | lots of good athlon64 optimizations? |
| 01:00.39 | brlcad | theoretically |
| 01:00.54 | brlcad | though O3 does a pretty good job of that all by it's lonesome |
| 01:00.54 | glide | what's the fix? |
| 01:01.10 | brlcad | edit configure.ac, look for mtune line |
| 01:01.14 | brlcad | set to k8 |
| 01:01.40 | brlcad | run autogen.sh, rerun configure |
| 01:04.51 | glide | you want me to hard code it in CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS -mtune=$host_cpu"; |
| 01:09.40 | brlcad | glide: you've got it mtune=k8 |
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| 01:10.48 | glide | short term fix |
| 01:13.16 | brlcad | yep |
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| 01:14.23 | sgk284 | that sh cheat has spread pretty rapidly :/ |
| 01:15.26 | blast007 | sh cheat? like where every flag they have acts like a shield? |
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| 01:20.19 | Mr_Molez | anyone else have any problems with the current cvs crashing on closing, or sometimes on startup ? |
| 01:21.21 | brlcad | Mr_Molez: seen it crash on closing, hard crash |
| 01:21.45 | Mr_Molez | yeh it totally locks out my X |
| 01:22.07 | Mr_Molez | and then i cant do kill 4343 (bzflag) |
| 01:22.49 | brlcad | yeah, that would be the same problem |
| 01:23.02 | Mr_Molez | is it just the cvs. i aint really tried the older versions |
| 01:24.57 | sgk284 | ouch that last line hurt to read it |
| 01:25.04 | sgk284 | :) |
| 01:25.29 | Mr_Molez | how so ?? |
| 01:25.30 | brlcad | Mr_Molez: i see it in the 2.0.4 binary |
| 01:25.42 | Mr_Molez | cvs and binary is same thing atm |
| 01:25.57 | brlcad | almost ;) |
| 01:25.58 | Mr_Molez | maybe i should try 2.0.2 |
| 01:26.05 | brlcad | it's a very recent issue |
| 01:26.24 | brlcad | like in the last week or two .. snuck into 2.0.4 at the last moment |
| 01:26.36 | Mr_Molez | ive installed teamspeak, that has seemed to make the crashes more frequent |
| 01:27.26 | Mr_Molez | thanks |
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| 01:36.27 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.21 | Aribeth | hi jeffM2501 |
| 01:38.19 | JeffM2501 | good morrow Lady Aribeth |
| 01:42.56 | Aribeth | hummm...just got an offer on my ultra 80 |
| 01:43.17 | JeffM2501 | so the merchant princess is still hard at work? |
| 01:43.25 | Aribeth | yes |
| 01:43.35 | Aribeth | the name is interesting |
| 01:44.55 | Aribeth | er..the person who made the offer name is intersting |
| 01:44.57 | JeffM2501 | and it tis? |
| 02:02.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): simple server-list searching |
| 02:12.08 | trepan | ~DTRemenak++ |
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| 02:14.49 | trepan | DTRemenak: join -> find servers -> / -> string -> ESC -> Missing Cursor |
| 02:15.06 | DTRemenak | hm. it should assign it back to the top of the list |
| 02:16.50 | trepan | actually, it's simpler: join -> find servers -> ESC -> Missing Cursor |
| 02:19.20 | DTRemenak | ah, got it |
| 02:19.49 | jomojo | okay how hard would it be to mute anyone coming from an ip for a set amount of time, whether they rejoined or not? |
| 02:21.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerMenu.cxx: correct cursor behavior when searching for servers |
| 02:21.44 | jomojo | because there are several players i find really annoying, but I won't ban someone if they are not breaking the rules but just annoying the crap out of men |
| 02:21.47 | jomojo | me |
| 02:26.53 | jomojo | i am sure: Silent_Swan, but that doesn't answer my question on whether that would be to hard to incorporate into a cvs or a patch |
| 02:26.59 | jomojo | trepan any thoughts? |
| 02:27.09 | trepan | mandatory registration |
| 02:27.48 | jomojo | ugh |
| 02:27.53 | trepan | (for speach) |
| 02:28.01 | jomojo | that is a way to kill server popularity quickly |
| 02:28.13 | jomojo | yeah but a lot of these players are registered |
| 02:28.42 | trepan | heh, then you've get 'em, stick them in a MUTE group |
| 02:30.36 | trepan | ~spell speech |
| 02:31.26 | jomojo | seriously there should really be a way to prompt people to register before downloading the client |
| 02:31.37 | jomojo | was that what you were thinking brlcad? |
| 02:32.10 | trepan | jomojo: there should be a way to do it from within the client |
| 02:32.45 | brlcad | jomojo: I'm rather strongly against requiring registration for any public server .. at least with the way the registration system is presently set up and the things you can/can't do |
| 02:33.27 | jomojo | i am not saying requiring |
| 02:33.31 | brlcad | I can see it for official things like league servers or private team server, but that's not the case for the majority |
| 02:33.33 | jomojo | just being prompted to |
| 02:34.28 | jomojo | like for silvercat we have to ban huge ip ranges of some isps because they provide to big of range for some players. So we have a white list of those who can play |
| 02:34.37 | jomojo | but they have to be registered |
| 02:34.40 | jomojo | many are not |
| 02:34.46 | jomojo | so it is just a pain to help them |
| 02:34.46 | brlcad | stripping their voice because they didn't bother to magically figure out our registration system visiting some bulletin board thing to create an account for the game isn't something I think is 'right' |
| 02:35.03 | jomojo | yeah all i want is a way to mute an ip |
| 02:35.08 | jomojo | for as long as i care to |
| 02:37.40 | brlcad | hmm, technically I suppose they qualify as 'cripple-ware' servers to require users to register to get feature(s) |
| 02:40.10 | JeffM2501 | the game should let them reg in game |
| 02:42.19 | jomojo | Jeffm2501: but that is only for local registtration |
| 02:42.28 | jomojo | if there was a way to do it globally in game maybe |
| 02:42.34 | jomojo | and it would make it more secure |
| 02:42.51 | jomojo | but local registration is something i dont' care to trust |
| 02:46.45 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, I didn't say how it is, I said how it SHOULD be :) |
| 02:46.49 | JeffM2501 | local reg is lame |
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| 02:46.55 | JeffM2501 | and should have been removed |
| 02:46.58 | jomojo | ah i see |
| 02:47.01 | jomojo | i agree |
| 02:47.05 | JeffM2501 | global reg should be an option in the main menu |
| 02:47.13 | jomojo | why wasn't it removed? |
| 02:47.44 | jomojo | especially now that private servers .. well hidden servers can use global login |
| 02:47.45 | trepan | but, if you're going to remove local reg, you'll want backup auth. servers |
| 02:47.54 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:48.10 | JeffM2501 | and make it seperate from the fourms |
| 02:48.20 | JeffM2501 | if the forums want to use it too fine, but it should not BE the forums |
| 02:49.53 | brlcad | i think it should be a service/daemon/whatever that can be run for private networks too, we would just maintain the public primary registration system |
| 02:50.28 | JeffM2501 | also a good thing |
| 02:50.42 | JeffM2501 | I am not covinced that making it a php page was the smartest idea |
| 02:50.51 | brlcad | i shouldn't be prevented from running a bzfs on my network and still have auth levels for whatever my group/community are that are not dependent on some public entity being provided |
| 02:50.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:51.28 | brlcad | i have just as little reason to trust the public reg system as a new user just as users have little reason to trust my local reg system |
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| 02:52.08 | JeffM2501 | but I'll bet that also is a "discussion he doesn't want to have again" as well |
| 02:52.10 | trepan | brlcad: but you're running the s/w from the same folks ;) |
| 02:55.01 | brlcad | sure, but running the software requires very little trust given I get the source and can compile it myself |
| 02:55.29 | brlcad | i have no idea how "our" account details would get used |
| 02:56.00 | trepan | other then an email (which you could pickup from hotmail), there are no details |
| 02:56.16 | trepan | ... and like anyone would bother reading through hundreds of thousands of lines of code |
| 02:58.57 | jomojo | geez all i wanted to know was how hard would it be to mute a specific ip for a desired length of time |
| 02:59.05 | brlcad | there's my account name, which has to agree with a world of other account names that have been created (on my corportate network, why can't I use 'joe' when company playtime starts) and how do I know that e-mail isn't being sold |
| 02:59.42 | brlcad | even if there are means to fake it, I actually have to go through effort and _still_ coordinate with the 'global' namespace |
| 03:00.05 | brlcad | the point is that it's an unnecessary limitation that is easily accommodated |
| 03:00.18 | brlcad | doesn't even complicate the design any, makes it more modular |
| 03:01.35 | trepan | i'm all for allowing game server to dictate their accepted auth. servers |
| 03:01.54 | trepan | i just think that mandatoyr reg. for public servers isn't a bad thing |
| 03:02.36 | brlcad | the basic features isn't bad.. in our case, the devil is all the horrid details of our system and the user interface in place |
| 03:02.38 | trepan | and i certainly don't agree with your views on the amount of trust required to run software =) |
| 03:04.55 | trepan | ... also recognizing the mand. reg. isn't really all that useful without being able to tie a single account to a user |
| 03:06.27 | sgk284 | lol |
| 03:06.36 | JeffM2501 | and a quest Journal |
| 03:23.49 | brlcad | hmm.. there's a dynamic_color_name and color_name used in bzw.5 that are not defined .. what are those? just strings? how do they relate to colors? |
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| 03:25.25 | trepan | brlcad: there's more then that, there's <group_name>, <material_name>, etc... |
| 03:25.30 | trepan | not my format |
| 03:27.59 | brlcad | not sure that really helps me :) |
| 03:28.26 | brlcad | group_name I take is the label assigned in the world_stream via the "group" lines |
| 03:28.56 | brlcad | material_name seems to be the matref line in a material block |
| 03:29.09 | trepan | note that in the dynamicColor block there is a name parameter... |
| 03:29.44 | trepan | <color_name> can be any of the color names from X11's rgb.txt |
| 03:29.45 | brlcad | ahh, okay -- that explians it |
| 03:29.55 | brlcad | eek on the latter |
| 03:29.59 | trepan | as can be found in ParseColor.cxx |
| 03:31.08 | trepan | (which of course got mangled during one of fearless' ws runs) |
| 03:33.42 | brlcad | egads, almost 800 color lines |
| 03:35.02 | trepan | yup, could be reduced via caps and underscores |
| 03:35.06 | brlcad | at least it's well defined .. shoudl be easy to handle |
| 04:03.53 | sgk284 | what do folks think about making a tanks radar signature smaller or larger depending on if they have the narrow flag or obese flag |
| 04:17.13 | cods | Hi |
| 04:17.21 | Tegan | hi cods |
| 04:18.04 | cods | I updated bzfquery.py to handle msgGameTime in particular. The updated script is at http://tuxee.net/bzfquery_py.txt, while a patch against previous version is at http://tuxee.net/bzfquery-patch.txt (with changelog) |
| 04:19.45 | cods | which can be tested also from http://bzflag.tuxee.net/bzfquery2.py?host=xxx&port=xxx |
| 04:19.55 | cods | Should I submit that to SF ? |
| 04:20.03 | cods | (as patch) |
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| 04:21.28 | Tegan | sgk284, that seems like a good idea from here |
| 04:23.33 | cods | I think we should color tanks according to their score, to detect strong player more easily when approaching them :) |
| 04:25.44 | JeffM2501 | you size them according to score :) |
| 04:25.48 | JeffM2501 | fatboy mod :) |
| 04:31.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/misc/bzfquery.py: updated for MsgGameTime by FredCods |
| 04:34.40 | sgk284 | heh |
| 04:34.46 | sgk284 | Tegan, thanks |
| 04:35.17 | sgk284 | well i just found it wierd that some things do modify your radar sig, like burrow, but narrow and obese dont |
| 04:36.45 | trepan | burrow is the only one, and was probably an oversight |
| 04:37.03 | sgk284 | stealth too, but thats kind of a given ;) |
| 04:45.26 | jpa- | sgkkk! |
| 04:46.21 | brlcad | trepan: material doesn't list 'name' as an attribute, yet I have a .bzw that has a name line in a material block .. is it just 'name' missing or does 'matref' dual as 'name'? |
| 04:47.22 | jpa- | name defines the name, matref would just "duplicate" properties from other material |
| 04:47.47 | brlcad | jpa-: ah, so then name is missing from the spec, thanks |
| 04:47.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerMenu.cxx: avoid seriously unintuitive behavior when you get no matches and try to modify the query |
| 04:47.54 | jpa- | but where doesn't it list it? |
| 04:48.13 | jpa- | it is atleast in the manual page |
| 04:48.50 | trepan | it lists 'name' as a parameter in the top section, but not the bottom |
| 04:49.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: apparently these material suckers can carry a name |
| 04:58.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerMenu.cxx: server searches are case-insensitive |
| 05:00.34 | sgk284 | hey jpa- |
| 05:00.42 | sgk284 | hows it going? |
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| 05:24.33 | sgk284 | hey DTRemenak :) |
| 05:26.24 | DTRemenak | hey sgk284 :) |
| 05:36.28 | Pimpinella | ~bzflist |
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| 05:58.14 | teh_conqerer | geez |
| 05:58.23 | teh_conqerer | my 40 oz looks like it has glass in it |
| 05:58.31 | teh_conqerer | been in the freezer for like 3 hours |
| 05:59.31 | teh_conqerer | mmm frosty forty |
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| 07:09.25 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
| 07:48.39 | teh_drunkerer | totally pwned those 2 forties |
| 07:49.14 | teh_drunkerer | now its time for the liqour to take effect |
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| 08:48.50 | kahcepb[Ru] | trepan: the point is that 2.0.3+ clients are able to jump (elevate with WG) little bit faster than 2.0.2-stables...it makes sense on maps with big _wgJumpCount values (ie Emerald Mosque or Hide-n-Seek) |
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| 11:10.02 | meacan | ~spell realtime |
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| 11:39.37 | ToughShooter | learner: ping |
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| 12:27.22 | Thumper_ | meacan: someone built .deb packages for the ATI proprietary drivers - http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html - works for me :) |
| 12:44.21 | learner | ToughShooter: pong |
| 12:45.49 | ToughShooter | learner: Does the Mac 2.0.4 profit from the optimizations trepan did? |
| 12:46.33 | learner | the optimizations aren't compiler/OS specific |
| 12:47.00 | ToughShooter | I've tinkered with all settings, but I keep getting only 1 FPS at his server with much polygons |
| 12:48.57 | ToughShooter | I have a Radeon 9600 with 128MB DDR RAM, connected via AGP 8X, running 1680*1050 resolution but it doesn't give me more FPS. I tried changing to lower resolutions from within bzflag but it hadn't helped |
| 12:51.55 | ToughShooter | learner: Have you tested FPS at trepan.bzflag.bz:5433 with any Mac running Mac OS X 10.4 and 2.0.4 or later? |
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| 13:00.36 | learner | ToughShooter, again, it's not a matter of OS and version -- if anything it's the specifics of the opengl extensions being used or you're capped by some other factor (like a bug) |
| 13:01.32 | learner | I don't recall the exact details of the enhancement, so as to why you don't have it is unknown right now |
| 13:03.36 | Tupone | hi learner |
| 13:06.37 | learner | ciao |
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| 13:09.25 | ToughShooter | learner: I only wanted a confirmation of my problem. I know it should not be compiler and OS specific |
| 13:10.50 | ToughShooter | learner Just being curious if it is only me and trepan said I may ask you |
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| 13:36.16 | learner | ToughShooter, I understand -- I haven't tested out the optimization myself to see the before or after effects.. I've been too busy trying to figure out why it's crashing. |
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| 13:54.23 | LePoulpe303 | if i need to connect periodically on a server to retrieve players'list what delay can be considered as 'server friendly' ? |
| 13:59.41 | jpa- | why do you have to? and to a single server or all servers? |
| 13:59.55 | jpa- | and as high delay as possible :) |
| 14:00.06 | LePoulpe303 | hmm let's say : several servers |
| 14:00.23 | LePoulpe303 | i was thinking about 1 min delay |
| 14:00.28 | jpa- | eww |
| 14:00.37 | LePoulpe303 | ok ; 2 minutes |
| 14:00.45 | Thumper_ | LePoulpe303: that's what I use... via bzfquery.py |
| 14:00.52 | jpa- | even the php-script uses 5 minutes |
| 14:00.58 | LePoulpe303 | i use this module too |
| 14:01.02 | jpa- | if the servers are yours, it is your decision, anyway |
| 14:01.06 | Thumper_ | but my connection is local |
| 14:01.12 | LePoulpe303 | http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=149246 |
| 14:01.35 | LePoulpe303 | (in construction) |
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| 14:01.54 | jpa- | hurm |
| 14:02.06 | menotume | LePoulpe303: pong :) |
| 14:02.13 | LePoulpe303 | jpa : servers arent mine |
| 14:02.45 | jpa- | so there would be like 5~50 programs running connecting to the server all the time? :/ |
| 14:02.53 | Thumper_ | then I wouldn't use once/minute |
| 14:03.10 | Thumper_ | use the stats page info instead |
| 14:03.11 | jpa- | could you parse the list from my.bzflag.org? |
| 14:04.04 | LePoulpe303 | usage of cods bzfquery.py should be better for me |
| 14:04.17 | LePoulpe303 | but i will do as you advice me |
| 14:05.38 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: why not just call it bzLauncher? or BZFlag Launcher or somesuch.. most people _really_ won't care that it's written in python |
| 14:06.15 | jpa- | humm |
| 14:06.21 | Thumper_ | it's a (?useful?) thing... how's it is built isn't important |
| 14:06.29 | Thumper_ | in order to use it |
| 14:06.30 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: otherwise, that looks pretty neat |
| 14:06.37 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad |
| 14:06.43 | LePoulpe303 | name has changed today :) |
| 14:06.50 | LePoulpe303 | introducing :: BZManager |
| 14:07.01 | brlcad | I noticed that was the project name |
| 14:07.04 | LePoulpe303 | BZlauncher is already used by Fortix |
| 14:07.16 | brlcad | but didn't know if that was because it was a subtool or something |
| 14:07.17 | jpa- | shouldn't be too difficult to make a central proxy for queries.. |
| 14:07.18 | jpa- | hmm |
| 14:07.57 | jpa- | RPC-server returning data like bzfquery.py, requesting when someone requests, caching for 5 mins or so |
| 14:10.34 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : it's for a later functionality ; i would like to have a popup window averting me that a teammate is connected on a server |
| 14:11.11 | *** join/#bzflag variant (n=variant@unaffiliated/variant) |
| 14:12.26 | LePoulpe303 | i have another solution : when someone uses my software to connect to bzflag, i write somewhere nick and server ; and access there to see who is online |
| 14:14.54 | variant | i just installed bzflag.. first timer.. anyone wanna beat me up? |
| 14:16.45 | variant | damn, im using 2.0.2 |
| 14:16.53 | LePoulpe303 | middle age |
| 14:17.11 | LePoulpe303 | :D |
| 14:17.27 | variant | 2.0.4 aint in portage yet :/ |
| 14:18.23 | meacan | LePoulpe303: fortix got rss feeds from when it collects data. Perhaps you can use them? |
| 14:18.57 | LePoulpe303 | meacan : i saw that ; but i wonder how often those feeds are refreshed .... |
| 14:19.18 | meacan | LePoulpe303: each minute afaik |
| 14:19.25 | LePoulpe303 | hmmm |
| 14:19.31 | LePoulpe303 | interesting, then |
| 14:19.52 | LePoulpe303 | i didn't stole fortix launcher name, perhaps i can steal his feeds :D |
| 14:20.54 | meacan | Its worth looking into :) |
| 14:21.09 | meacan | No reason to use servers bandwidth, when you can use mine :p |
| 14:21.45 | LePoulpe303 | right |
| 14:21.49 | LePoulpe303 | :) |
| 14:27.12 | Grumbler | i dont like the idea of narrow and obese changing the radar image.....narrow is already very powerful, and obese is already a very bad, not need to help these two along in either direction |
| 14:28.22 | Grumbler | whats next, tiny |
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| 14:48.04 | Tupone | variant, there is an ebuild for 2.0.4 in portage Bugzilla |
| 14:49.45 | variant | cool |
| 14:49.58 | ToughShooter | CBG: ping |
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| 14:50.18 | CBG | ToughShooter pongs! :P |
| 14:50.32 | variant | well i just had my first bzflag experience.. the graphics kinda suck but it was fun :P |
| 14:51.02 | ToughShooter | CBG: Can you connect to trepan.bzflag.bz:5433 with 2.0.5 and tell me how many FPS do you get? |
| 14:51.07 | Silent_Swan | oh a first-timer? |
| 14:51.14 | CBG | varient: did you find the options? You might have graphics set low... |
| 14:51.15 | variant | Silent_Swan: yeah |
| 14:51.22 | Silent_Swan | cool :) |
| 14:51.28 | CBG | ToughShooter: I'm not on .0.5 |
| 14:51.41 | variant | CBG: will take a look but i think it was on max |
| 14:51.46 | CBG | Ah, ok :) |
| 14:51.46 | Silent_Swan | yeah, you can tweak things a bit... make sure you set your radar to "enhanced", too |
| 14:51.50 | ToughShooter | CBG: How about trying with 2.0.4 then? ;) |
| 14:51.58 | CBG | They aren't too great on max either :) but better. |
| 14:52.07 | CBG | ToughShooter: ok, but I always get Low FPS... :P |
| 14:52.27 | ToughShooter | I don't know whether the enchancements are in 2.0.4 but it might worth a try |
| 14:54.10 | CBG | ToughShooter: Ouch!!!! |
| 14:54.16 | CBG | That was painfulll... |
| 14:54.22 | CBG | It said 4, but it kinda froze... |
| 14:54.54 | ToughShooter | Can you type /roampos 45 |
| 14:55.01 | ToughShooter | as observer |
| 14:55.04 | CBG | Silent_Swan: apparently FAST radar is better... :/ |
| 14:55.11 | CBG | ToughShooter: k, lemme recon. :) |
| 14:55.45 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 14:56.12 | Silent_Swan | last time i played (with the current release) - i had my radar set to take up 70% of the screen :) |
| 14:56.37 | Silent_Swan | would actually be kind of neat if the radar could be set to take up the entire screen with the text box separate at the bottom |
| 14:57.06 | Silent_Swan | that way you can see radar *and* what's going on out the window at the same time |
| 14:57.18 | Silent_Swan | brb |
| 14:59.16 | CBG | damnit ToughShooter: my ibook is only little. you trying to kill it? |
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| 15:00.53 | CBG | Hey _Manu_ :) |
| 15:00.58 | _Manu_ | hi |
| 15:01.33 | ToughShooter | CBG: no |
| 15:02.11 | ToughShooter | With "/roampos 45" I get 0 FPS (!) and it should be more according to some optimizations... |
| 15:02.29 | CBG | I also had 0... |
| 15:02.31 | ToughShooter | I tried to find another Mac user to confirm it |
| 15:02.37 | CBG | I just did ;) |
| 15:02.55 | ToughShooter | Which card do you have? |
| 15:03.21 | CBG | Radeon 9220, iirc. |
| 15:04.24 | CBG | Wait.its a 9550. |
| 15:04.42 | CBG | "ATI Mobility Radeon 9550 with 32MB of dedicated DDR SDRAM" |
| 15:04.43 | Silent_Swan | ToughShooter what do you need a mac user to confirm? |
| 15:04.46 | ToughShooter | okay, now look at that screenie: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5031 |
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| 15:04.56 | Silent_Swan | i have a radeon 9800 |
| 15:04.58 | CBG | 'ello [brad] |
| 15:05.00 | Silent_Swan | on mac |
| 15:05.12 | [brad] | gu CBG |
| 15:05.13 | ToughShooter | Do you run 2.0.5? |
| 15:05.16 | Silent_Swan | i can |
| 15:05.18 | [brad] | er, hi* |
| 15:05.27 | CBG | ToughShooter: screenie is nice, and it says FPS 188 :o |
| 15:05.28 | Silent_Swan | trouble is, it'll have to wait til this eve. when i get home ;( |
| 15:05.31 | CBG | [brad] ? |
| 15:05.49 | [brad] | CBG: hand was a lil too far to the left :) |
| 15:06.03 | CBG | ahh :) |
| 15:06.56 | Silent_Swan | hmm... can't get into anon cvs |
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| 15:12.14 | gsnedders | _Manu_ or Pimpinella: can either of you check if "the worst player" is swearing in PMs? |
| 15:16.16 | Silent_Swan | wait, i thought i was the worst player... |
| 15:21.41 | variant | woo, what a cool game |
| 15:21.53 | variant | still, somone should upgrade the graphics ) |
| 15:21.57 | variant | :)* |
| 15:22.48 | _Manu_ | gsnedders, ok |
| 15:23.01 | gsnedders | _Manu_: thanks |
| 15:23.55 | _Manu_ | gsnedders, yep |
| 15:24.02 | gsnedders | :( |
| 15:24.25 | gsnedders | do what you think... |
| 15:29.05 | Silent_Swan | nah, the graphics are fine |
| 15:29.14 | Silent_Swan | that's part of what gives it such appeal |
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| 15:44.21 | SportChick | orange: ping |
| 15:44.25 | SportChick | jomojo: ping |
| 15:44.35 | SportChick | if either of y'all are here, come to silvercat please |
| 15:57.12 | SportChick | menotume: thanks soooooooooooo much for multi-hunt! |
| 15:58.44 | menotume | :) |
| 15:58.46 | menotume | np |
| 15:58.52 | menotume | was a popular demand |
| 15:58.58 | menotume | even I use it now :) |
| 16:05.23 | SportChick | orange: didnt you say sheepy=ying? They are BOTH on right now |
| 16:05.43 | _Manu_ | I always used multi-hunt in CTF ;) |
| 16:05.55 | orange | then they share an IP |
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| 16:35.12 | bz8756 | hi |
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| 16:49.49 | bz8756 | hi |
| 16:51.09 | bz8756 | i am the last person alive in the world |
| 16:51.22 | bz8756 | i have only myself to talk to |
| 16:54.12 | JeffM2501 | yet you have IRC? |
| 16:54.15 | JeffM2501 | impresive |
| 16:56.24 | menotume | JeffM2501 ! |
| 16:56.42 | menotume | i have a plugin that needs BOTH events and a slash command |
| 16:57.01 | menotume | are your samples all subclasses of either ? |
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| 17:00.11 | JeffM2501 | you can have both |
| 17:00.16 | JeffM2501 | just make 2 classes :) |
| 17:00.35 | CBG | 'ello folks. |
| 17:01.01 | menotume | okies |
| 17:01.09 | menotume | is my c++ ignorance :) |
| 17:01.31 | menotume | 2 classes that have to talk to each other - yuk |
| 17:02.22 | menotume | why not just implment a class, that calls API:registerevent (blah, pointer to my function) ? |
| 17:02.48 | menotume | nvm, it is what it is :) |
| 17:03.20 | JeffM2501 | just have the class implementations use the globals for the other class |
| 17:03.25 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard :) |
| 17:03.55 | JeffM2501 | I think vocaliser does events and a / command |
| 17:03.55 | menotume | i know, i just like to complain about OO design :) |
| 17:04.12 | JeffM2501 | OO design dosn't mean all things have to be in one big ass class |
| 17:04.32 | menotume | but, why not have the option ? |
| 17:04.36 | menotume | why subclass |
| 17:04.43 | menotume | i'm just trying to understand |
| 17:04.43 | ToughShooter | OO is to make thinks easier ;) |
| 17:04.52 | menotume | it' not easier |
| 17:04.56 | menotume | fo rme |
| 17:04.57 | JeffM2501 | it just means that if you can make somethign modular or derivie and it makes sense, then do it |
| 17:05.03 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't make sense |
| 17:05.04 | JeffM2501 | then don't |
| 17:05.07 | JeffM2501 | it's not law |
| 17:05.19 | JeffM2501 | menotume, you have the options to do what ever you want |
| 17:05.30 | menotume | i have to subclass :) |
| 17:05.31 | JeffM2501 | you could make one class that was subbed of both handlers |
| 17:05.39 | menotume | yes, i will do that |
| 17:05.45 | JeffM2501 | I personaly would not |
| 17:05.48 | JeffM2501 | you don't hAVE to |
| 17:05.50 | menotume | why not ? |
| 17:05.54 | JeffM2501 | it's fugly |
| 17:06.04 | menotume | heh |
| 17:06.06 | JeffM2501 | I'd have both handlers feed into a core logic class that is my own |
| 17:06.20 | menotume | right, you see ...... |
| 17:06.21 | JeffM2501 | that way I know exactly what's going on |
| 17:06.27 | menotume | that is fugly to me |
| 17:06.36 | menotume | why not JUST have a core class |
| 17:06.52 | menotume | that calls API:registerevent (point to my function) |
| 17:06.59 | menotume | that calls API:registerslahcommand (point to my function) |
| 17:07.17 | menotume | having the additional 2 subclasses if fugly and not easier (to me) |
| 17:07.22 | ToughShooter | TimRiker: ping |
| 17:07.47 | menotume | just my opinion |
| 17:08.17 | menotume | am i offbase here ? |
| 17:08.32 | JeffM2501 | menotume, because I like things modular |
| 17:08.39 | menotume | okies, good enough :) |
| 17:08.42 | JeffM2501 | so the logic class could be feed by multiple things |
| 17:09.04 | JeffM2501 | not tied directly into this big ass monolithic "master" class that requires input in a specific way |
| 17:09.21 | menotume | you don't HAVE to have a bigass class |
| 17:09.29 | menotume | you can make it whatever you want |
| 17:09.40 | JeffM2501 | I just chose to implement the callbacks as classes becuse the code for them is cleaner and more contained then function pointers and structs |
| 17:09.50 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways that it could be done |
| 17:09.51 | menotume | okeis |
| 17:09.54 | menotume | yes |
| 17:09.56 | JeffM2501 | this way isn't the best for all cases |
| 17:10.03 | menotume | gotya |
| 17:10.04 | JeffM2501 | but I felt it was the cleanest for most cases |
| 17:10.15 | JeffM2501 | had to pick one way :) |
| 17:10.19 | menotume | i'll shuddup now, as i don't have enough ecperience in ++ |
| 17:10.29 | JeffM2501 | you do seem to think very C ish :) |
| 17:10.40 | menotume | be willing to learn |
| 17:10.48 | menotume | but, willing to learn |
| 17:10.58 | menotume | I have some experience in OO - java |
| 17:11.12 | JeffM2501 | all the callback classes are, is a callback function that just happens to have the data for the struct that you would pass into it, allready in it |
| 17:11.15 | menotume | but, i tend not to be strictly OO minded in design |
| 17:11.19 | JeffM2501 | java is evil :) |
| 17:11.31 | menotume | i kinda liked it |
| 17:11.37 | JeffM2501 | no design will ever handle 100% of the cases |
| 17:11.40 | menotume | other than speed issues |
| 17:11.44 | JeffM2501 | so you should allways be flexable in your deisng |
| 17:11.51 | JeffM2501 | garbage cleaning...... |
| 17:11.54 | JeffM2501 | ewwy |
| 17:12.01 | menotume | wellllll, i think my way would habdle 100% :) |
| 17:12.24 | JeffM2501 | it can have it's ram back when I tell it it can have it back :) |
| 17:12.27 | menotume | i mean, if you wanted to have a class for event handling, and a class for slahcommand handling, you could |
| 17:12.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:12.38 | JeffM2501 | nothing says you can't |
| 17:12.39 | menotume | or, if your plugin is small, have one class |
| 17:12.49 | JeffM2501 | and nothing says you can't do it that way ether |
| 17:13.00 | JeffM2501 | I just like to reuse code a lot |
| 17:13.00 | menotume | okies :) |
| 17:13.13 | menotume | thx for the lesson, i'll go do it now :) |
| 17:13.17 | JeffM2501 | so making things modular, even if it dosnt' make sense for that project, is how I do it a lot |
| 17:13.20 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 17:13.25 | menotume | thx dooood |
| 17:13.43 | JeffM2501 | somehow I don't think i'm a doood anymore |
| 17:14.00 | JeffM2501 | perhaps back in the day :) |
| 17:14.01 | menotume | yes, it would make more sense if I had more ++ experience ... following design patterns, etc. |
| 17:14.34 | JeffM2501 | actualy I have no training in design paterns, I mostly just go with what works :) |
| 17:14.54 | JeffM2501 | some of my habbits seem to mesh with some deisng paterns thingys, so I guess they arn't horible |
| 17:15.03 | JeffM2501 | and "refactor" is such a cool word |
| 17:15.08 | menotume | lol |
| 17:15.28 | JeffM2501 | when it realy meaqns "mehh I screwed up last time, lets try again" |
| 17:16.45 | jpa- | is there some cool word for "mehh I screwed up again, I'll give up"? |
| 17:18.10 | JeffM2501 | "layoff" |
| 17:18.47 | JeffM2501 | or what ever design patern 75% of SF projects use :) |
| 17:19.07 | Thumper_ | jpa- DOH! |
| 17:19.56 | jpa- | Thumper_: DUH! |
| 17:20.10 | JeffM2501 | so has a debian been posted yet? |
| 17:22.08 | ToughShooter | Am I the only one who considers that it's not good when global authentication fails and there is no "-" showing up? |
| 17:22.57 | Thumper_ | ToughShooter: um no... it fails??!!?? ;) |
| 17:23.43 | ToughShooter | ..talking about http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1311973&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 17:24.54 | ToughShooter | Thumper_: What are you trying to say? |
| 17:32.50 | Thumper_ | ToughShooter: I agree with you... it should have a '-' when it fails. But it doesn't fail often for me. It should have a '-' even if password is blank. |
| 17:33.34 | Thumper_ | which it does |
| 17:33.59 | Thumper_ | thems my 2 cents... :) |
| 17:35.29 | menotume | JeffM2501: okies. now, how do i get bzfs to use my plugin ? :) |
| 17:35.33 | ToughShooter | Thumper_: Do you know How to prevent people with a "-" from playing? |
| 17:35.51 | Thumper_ | take spawn out of EVERYONE and add it to VERIFIED |
| 17:35.58 | Thumper_ | would be my guess |
| 17:36.14 | Thumper_ | spawn - the privilege |
| 17:36.22 | ToughShooter | Wouldn't that block unregistered people, too? |
| 17:36.41 | brlcad | horrible horrible idea |
| 17:37.06 | ToughShooter | I want to test whether the player with no "-" is treated equal like a player that doesn't show the "-" but uses wrong password |
| 17:37.46 | ToughShooter | default conf seems to be letting all play |
| 17:41.04 | Grumbler | menotume, there are load/unload commands |
| 17:41.24 | menotume | hmm |
| 17:41.28 | menotume | okies |
| 17:41.34 | menotume | not in /cmds list |
| 17:41.40 | bryjen | as well as a -loadplugin bzfs command-line option |
| 17:41.54 | menotume | kewl (not in man) :) |
| 17:42.02 | menotume | that's what i need, thx |
| 17:42.03 | Grumbler | bryjen, was that unload bug ever fixed......i assume it was |
| 17:42.25 | bryjen | unload bug? |
| 17:43.05 | Grumbler | remember when we tried to unload RogueGenocide it would crash the server .....or not really unload it....all sorts of garbage would spew out......... |
| 17:43.25 | Grumbler | it was back when the plugin were new |
| 17:43.28 | menotume | do I: /load RogueGenocide (for example) ? |
| 17:44.34 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, we don't require reg by default |
| 17:44.35 | Grumbler | menotume, there are documents in the /plugins/doc directory....its in there |
| 17:44.45 | JeffM2501 | you have to add stuff to your groups file to reqire reg |
| 17:44.56 | Grumbler | ToughShooter, not ignoring, just dont have an opinion on that one |
| 17:44.59 | meacan | menotume: /loadplugin .. |
| 17:45.05 | menotume | ahhhh, thx |
| 17:45.11 | menotume | (i looked in /docs) |
| 17:45.27 | JeffM2501 | all info about plugins is in the /plugins dir |
| 17:45.35 | menotume | k, thx |
| 17:45.37 | JeffM2501 | since they are suposed to be "optional" |
| 17:45.48 | bryjen | ToughShooter: iirc, you have to specify a -userdb file, even if you're not using local users, to get the - to show up |
| 17:46.39 | JeffM2501 | fearless didn't want plugins to be required, so they are somewhat seperate |
| 17:47.39 | Grumbler | seems like that amount of information has dropped since the going to the html docs |
| 17:47.56 | brlcad | ToughShooter: I'm ignoring |
| 17:47.59 | brlcad | j/k ;-) |
| 17:48.08 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, the amount of changes droped :) |
| 17:48.16 | Grumbler | heh |
| 17:48.18 | JeffM2501 | and I got tired of taking crap for spelling all the time |
| 17:48.27 | brlcad | hehe |
| 17:48.28 | JeffM2501 | what's the point of documetning thigns if your just going to be mocked for it |
| 17:48.36 | Grumbler | send it to me then.....i can clean it up |
| 17:48.37 | JeffM2501 | if they want docs they can write them |
| 17:49.01 | JeffM2501 | I'll explain how a feature works to anyone who wants to doc the stuff :) |
| 17:49.18 | JeffM2501 | no you don't moc |
| 17:49.19 | JeffM2501 | you help :) |
| 17:49.24 | JeffM2501 | you and grumbler |
| 17:49.28 | bryjen | well, mostly ;) |
| 17:49.34 | JeffM2501 | you try |
| 17:49.38 | JeffM2501 | and that's fair 'nuf for me |
| 17:50.05 | JeffM2501 | some others here just seems to go out of there way to point things out, when they just flat out know I can't spell |
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| 17:50.18 | JeffM2501 | but oh well |
| 17:50.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm now more concerned with feature lists then API docs |
| 17:50.49 | Grumbler | heh |
| 17:51.15 | JeffM2501 | now that the SLI is workin again |
| 17:51.31 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I know |
| 17:52.42 | ToughShooter | bryjen: Aha, thanks |
| 17:53.22 | bryjen | two cpu cores, two gpus, two (multiple?) monitors... do you also have two hdds? dimms? ;) |
| 17:53.35 | JeffM2501 | one display |
| 17:53.40 | JeffM2501 | in SLI you only get one |
| 17:53.53 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 serial ATA drives ( 80 and 200 ) |
| 17:54.06 | JeffM2501 | 2 sets of 2 matched dimms to get DDR |
| 17:54.12 | JeffM2501 | sorry dual channel |
| 17:54.26 | JeffM2501 | lot of 2's in the sysem :) |
| 17:55.24 | JeffM2501 | now that dual socket mobo....... :) |
| 17:55.28 | JeffM2501 | quad core would be nice |
| 17:55.36 | JeffM2501 | not that I'd know what I'd do with it |
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| 17:56.49 | Nights | heeeeeeey, I need a bit of help |
| 17:57.01 | JeffM2501 | with? |
| 17:57.15 | brlcad | is that said with a fonz accent? |
| 17:57.27 | Nights | no, it's not :p |
| 17:57.29 | Nights | anyway |
| 17:58.08 | Nights | my old monitor quite literally fried, so I'm stuck with an old crappy one that can only do 800x600 |
| 17:58.18 | Nights | and 60hz |
| 17:58.42 | Nights | so, how do I change the default resolution in 2.0.4? |
| 17:59.03 | Nights | I can't find the file that's supposed to contain it |
| 17:59.17 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 17:59.23 | Nights | win |
| 17:59.32 | JeffM2501 | what version of 'win' ? |
| 17:59.37 | Nights | xp |
| 17:59.44 | JeffM2501 | My Documents\My Bzflag Files\2.0 |
| 17:59.48 | JeffM2501 | config.cfg |
| 18:00.01 | JeffM2501 | find the line that says |
| 18:00.01 | JeffM2501 | set resolution |
| 18:00.06 | JeffM2501 | in the " " part |
| 18:00.13 | Nights | aaaaaand I feel stupid |
| 18:00.17 | Nights | thanks :p |
| 18:00.32 | JeffM2501 | make it say 800x600 @60Hz 32 bits |
| 18:01.31 | Nights | aaaand it works! |
| 18:01.36 | Nights | awesome |
| 18:01.44 | Nights | I was just looking in the wrong bloody folder |
| 18:02.15 | brlcad | heeeeeeey, all that matters is now it works.. ;) |
| 18:02.28 | Nights | yep |
| 18:02.35 | Nights | be seeing you |
| 18:03.14 | jpa- | evil to hunt the red pixel with laser :) |
| 18:03.40 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Are you using an LCD, too? |
| 18:03.59 | jpa- | umm, yeah, 1280x1024 TFT |
| 18:04.06 | ToughShooter | Eeew |
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| 18:10.00 | JeffM2501 | shiny |
| 18:10.49 | ToughShooter | Someone should update http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10891 |
| 18:11.20 | JeffM2501 | HA, that still has the old old old icon |
| 18:11.23 | JeffM2501 | man that's funny |
| 18:11.48 | JeffM2501 | poor wierd little hover tank |
| 18:12.00 | ToughShooter | Aribeth: I can't wait for the optimizations ;) |
| 18:12.12 | JeffM2501 | why don't you have them now? |
| 18:12.26 | ToughShooter | I don't know |
| 18:12.56 | ToughShooter | It doesn't look like it is in todays CVS compiled on a Mac |
| 18:13.23 | JeffM2501 | draw info has been in for a while |
| 18:13.35 | JeffM2501 | the mac could "get" it at the exact same time |
| 18:13.35 | Aribeth | ohhh |
| 18:13.52 | JeffM2501 | it was all put in BEFORE the 2.0.4 tag |
| 18:14.04 | ToughShooter | but maybe I'm just wanting too much but the 0 FPS at the demo server with lots of polygons don't make me feel like I would have it |
| 18:14.17 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 18:14.20 | Aribeth | yhen i have some studying to do |
| 18:14.27 | ToughShooter | CBG got only 0, too at /roampos 45 |
| 18:14.27 | JeffM2501 | and perhaps your GL dosn't support it right |
| 18:14.41 | JeffM2501 | well it's not behind a mac #def |
| 18:14.42 | ToughShooter | ATI Radeon 9600 |
| 18:14.56 | JeffM2501 | so ether your running old code, have somethign in your config that turns it off, or your GL sucks |
| 18:15.42 | ToughShooter | The card is actually looking good in other games |
| 18:15.58 | JeffM2501 | check your code then |
| 18:16.04 | JeffM2501 | make sure you got the current files |
| 18:16.13 | JeffM2501 | draw info has been in for like a week |
| 18:16.21 | ToughShooter | The official 2.0.4 is also so slow |
| 18:16.48 | ToughShooter | and my checkout is as current as possible |
| 18:16.57 | JeffM2501 | do you have the draw info code? |
| 18:17.50 | JeffM2501 | and does your condfig have, set useDrawInfo 1 ? |
| 18:17.53 | Tupone | Grumbler: digg.com and /. ? |
| 18:18.15 | Grumbler | just digg.... |
| 18:18.40 | Grumbler | i havent set up an account on /. |
| 18:19.05 | Grumbler | ...and the anonymous coward is probably not a good punch for the game :) |
| 18:19.28 | JeffM2501 | I'd wait till debian was done before /. |
| 18:19.28 | Tupone | someone has to write to /. . I cannot, as they do not understand my engrish |
| 18:20.53 | Grumbler | would be a nice idea |
| 18:21.01 | JeffM2501 | I'd wait for debian, and a OSX 10.3+ build before /. |
| 18:21.14 | JeffM2501 | but I don't know what it's going to take to convince brlcad to make one |
| 18:21.41 | JeffM2501 | I guess he just wants to punish mac users :) |
| 18:22.14 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:22.17 | Grumbler | ....i have a WHOLE computer i can give brlcad to do debain builds.......is that enough to convince him |
| 18:22.22 | brlcad | the 10.3 isn't going to fix the performance problem |
| 18:22.33 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, not for the performance |
| 18:22.35 | brlcad | he's just not seeing the benefit of the optimizations |
| 18:22.37 | JeffM2501 | for the plugins :) |
| 18:22.43 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:23.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah I wasn't speaking about his issues |
| 18:23.07 | JeffM2501 | I was speaking of mine :) |
| 18:23.17 | JeffM2501 | I think we should do a 10.3+ so they can get plugins |
| 18:23.18 | trepan | brlcad: no extensions used, i ditched the vbos and only use plain display lists |
| 18:23.18 | Grumbler | thats a much long list |
| 18:23.21 | JeffM2501 | most mac users can't build |
| 18:23.41 | brlcad | so how are they going to make their plugins if they can't build :) |
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| 18:23.48 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, binary distros |
| 18:23.57 | JeffM2501 | like on windows |
| 18:24.05 | JeffM2501 | and many want to use the sample ones |
| 18:24.07 | bz5749 | help me :) |
| 18:24.16 | brlcad | hmm |
| 18:24.17 | JeffM2501 | bz5749, what do you need help with? |
| 18:24.36 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, and you yourself said 10.3+ would be 'better' |
| 18:24.37 | egifeny | which server is this? :) |
| 18:24.38 | brlcad | much easier to make a 10.3 distro, I got no quoms against it |
| 18:24.45 | JeffM2501 | give em incentive |
| 18:24.59 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: In config was "#set useDrawInfo 1", I commented it out, joined the server again, it was slow as always, quit client and the config line was commented out again |
| 18:25.06 | brlcad | it will be 'better' .. but in ways I don't think anyone else but a dev would appreciate |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I say make one, post it as the main,a nd makr the current one as for 10.2 |
| 18:25.13 | egifeny | and, how can i join to other rooms? |
| 18:25.18 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, that's not a comment |
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| 18:25.20 | brlcad | end-user isn't probably going to notice a difference other than placebo effects |
| 18:25.47 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, the plugins are enough I feel |
| 18:25.53 | JeffM2501 | but if it's not worth it to you |
| 18:25.55 | JeffM2501 | your call |
| 18:26.03 | JeffM2501 | I was gonna build one, but builds fail at home |
| 18:26.05 | egifeny | pffff |
| 18:26.08 | trepan | egifeny: get a real IRC program |
| 18:26.09 | brlcad | nah, it's easy enough now the grunt work is done |
| 18:26.21 | JeffM2501 | egifeny, you are on the bzflag web chat, it is only for bzflag |
| 18:26.23 | egifeny | but i cant :( |
| 18:26.33 | egifeny | im restricted |
| 18:26.33 | JeffM2501 | if you want to use real IRC, go use your own bandwith |
| 18:26.41 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 18:26.44 | Tupone | egifeny: you cannot join other room, except the one that are on the client list, all bzflag related |
| 18:26.53 | JeffM2501 | our webchat is for our players to ask for help, not for you to get around your firewall |
| 18:26.57 | JeffM2501 | go use your own bandwith |
| 18:27.05 | egifeny | and even i cant write msgs :S |
| 18:27.07 | JeffM2501 | it is not an "open" webchat |
| 18:27.09 | JeffM2501 | no you can't |
| 18:27.18 | JeffM2501 | do you play BZFlag? |
| 18:27.26 | JeffM2501 | or even know what it is? |
| 18:27.29 | egifeny | bye |
| 18:27.34 | JeffM2501 | bye |
| 18:27.37 | egifeny | of course not :) |
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| 18:27.52 | JeffM2501 | buhhbuy |
| 18:28.25 | CBG | heh. moron. |
| 18:28.34 | JeffM2501 | I should try the geo test server on my mini |
| 18:28.36 | JeffM2501 | when I get home |
| 18:28.38 | JeffM2501 | with the bin |
| 18:28.40 | JeffM2501 | see how it goes |
| 18:28.56 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, what OSX you have? |
| 18:28.59 | brlcad | JeffM2501: doesn't build for you? bizzare |
| 18:29.02 | Grumbler | ...wish we had shortcut bans on bzflag..... |
| 18:29.04 | brlcad | working fine here |
| 18:29.05 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, no it didn't |
| 18:29.15 | JeffM2501 | I didn't menttion it to you, since I'm not sure I got clean |
| 18:29.21 | JeffM2501 | so it may be bad crap on my end |
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| 18:29.29 | JeffM2501 | I was gonna try a couple more things |
| 18:29.29 | trepan | brlcad: you get decent a frame rate on that server with a mac? |
| 18:29.32 | brlcad | bad crap is bad |
| 18:29.41 | DTRemenak | bad crap is also crap |
| 18:29.55 | JeffM2501 | I was gonna clean it up and and get cleanest, and try again |
| 18:30.00 | JeffM2501 | but then I had to go die in Eq2 |
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| 18:30.08 | brlcad | trepan: I haven't been able to not crash my machine yet after playing, so .. no not a great framerate.. ;) |
| 18:30.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:30.27 | JeffM2501 | OSX can't do VBOs? |
| 18:30.32 | Answer | is there a way to have a different nickname just in this channel? |
| 18:30.41 | trepan | JeffM2501: there are no VBOs in the code |
| 18:30.45 | Thumper_ | trepan: oh btw I went to the spinning ball in orbit test server or yours |
| 18:30.52 | Thumper_ | trepan: looks really neat (now that I can actually see it) |
| 18:30.54 | DTRemenak | Answer: nope |
| 18:30.57 | Tupone | Answer is no |
| 18:31.11 | brlcad | JeffM2501: it can, afaik .. the crashing is some bug in the graphics, same thing that's crashing the X11 servers on linux |
| 18:31.21 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:31.22 | Thumper_ | trepan: but when I changed lighting from best to none it crashed (hung) |
| 18:31.34 | Thumper_ | no more details yet. g2g out now - back later. |
| 18:32.01 | brlcad | "crashing the X11 server" in os x means taking down the display manager.. the kernel doesn't forgive you for doing that |
| 18:32.11 | brlcad | even though it's not x11 |
| 18:33.20 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Mac OS X version 10.4.2 |
| 18:33.29 | trepan | shame on mac |
| 18:33.58 | Mr_Molez | kill -9 seems to work to close bzflag when it crashes and locks u out of X :P |
| 18:36.35 | brlcad | Mr_Molez: only because X is automatically re-kickstarted by gdm on a crash, yes? |
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| 18:37.54 | Mr_Molez | brlcad: X doesn't exactly crash for me. Its still running although without switching terminal and killing bzflag i cant access the windows manager |
| 18:38.14 | Mr_Molez | maybe its a different problem i have |
| 18:38.22 | brlcad | I've heard other reports where it actually crashes X11 |
| 18:38.36 | Mr_Molez | it's nothing as serious as that thank god :P |
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| 18:40.47 | Mr_Molez | i think ill cope with it i can't be bothered to downgrade |
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| 19:41.17 | Answer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.33 | Tupone | gnip |
| 19:45.11 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.33 | Tupone | ?noitseuq |
| 19:45.40 | menotume | eheh |
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| 19:49.10 | Answer | radar |
| 19:57.25 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Is it correct, that "#set useDrawInfo 1" is in my config, not "set useDrawInfo 1"? |
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| 19:58.26 | trepan | ToughShooter: that's ok, it means they're enabled (at the default state) |
| 19:58.36 | Tupone | orchid_: ciao |
| 20:01.08 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, ether should work |
| 20:01.12 | JeffM2501 | the # just means it's a default set |
| 20:01.23 | JeffM2501 | # is not a comment |
| 20:01.29 | JeffM2501 | take the # out |
| 20:01.30 | JeffM2501 | and see |
| 20:02.11 | brlcad | it is a comment, it just doesn't mean that it's not set to something ;) |
| 20:02.31 | JeffM2501 | the innards init it to 1 |
| 20:02.58 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, know anything about mailing lists? |
| 20:04.19 | JeffM2501 | I have a subversion thing that can only send out e-mail on each commits, I wanted to do CIA like functionality, sending mail to a list, then having the list keep an RSS feed, and the bot pull from that feed. |
| 20:06.18 | brlcad | they send mail |
| 20:06.19 | brlcad | to lists |
| 20:06.22 | brlcad | of e-mails |
| 20:06.51 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:07.19 | brlcad | the rss feed thing is the only tough part there |
| 20:07.41 | brlcad | probably easier to have a little daemon just watch a mailbox and subscribe to the list |
| 20:08.02 | JeffM2501 | isn't that what a list is basicly :) |
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| 20:08.36 | JeffM2501 | a little deamon that watches a mailbox |
| 20:09.23 | JeffM2501 | ahh well tis just a dream |
| 20:09.24 | Grumbler | heh, a procmail that generates an rss feed.. |
| 20:09.46 | JeffM2501 | if I just wanted CIA I could move it to elsewhere that has CIA acces |
| 20:09.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Invalidating token just after joining, cause joining probably consume it |
| 20:10.58 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ever get anything back from the "BZ" guy? |
| 20:11.05 | brlcad | nope |
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| 20:15.19 | JeffM2501 | suxorz |
| 20:16.56 | brlcad | yep.. |
| 20:19.11 | JeffM2501 | oh thanks for adding the aliases |
| 20:21.56 | brlcad | np |
| 20:22.00 | brlcad | just sent him another e-mail |
| 20:22.37 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:23.42 | CBG | Has anyone else on mac had a problem with 2.0.4 requesting -dir ? |
| 20:24.01 | JeffM2501 | wow, there is a big diff between the firefox software roadmap and the Cisco IOS one :) |
| 20:24.19 | JeffM2501 | CBG, when I ran the bin it worked fine |
| 20:24.27 | JeffM2501 | but that was from a double click |
| 20:24.50 | brlcad | CBG: how ARE you trying to run it? |
| 20:25.04 | brlcad | you wouldn't get a -dir problem from the binary distro |
| 20:25.30 | brlcad | at least not without running the embedded binary, which isn't expected behavior (still will work, but you would have to provide the -dir option then) |
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| 20:34.15 | CBG | Hmm, anyone see my question earlier? |
| 20:34.20 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:34.24 | JeffM2501 | did you see our answers? |
| 20:34.29 | CBG | Nope. :) |
| 20:34.36 | JeffM2501 | <CBG> Has anyone else on mac had a problem with 2.0.4 requesting -dir ? |
| 20:34.36 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> wow, there is a big diff between the firefox software roadmap and the Cisco IOS one :) |
| 20:34.36 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> CBG, when I ran the bin it worked fine |
| 20:34.36 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> but that was from a double click |
| 20:34.38 | JeffM2501 | <brlcad> CBG: how ARE you trying to run it? |
| 20:34.40 | JeffM2501 | <brlcad> you wouldn't get a -dir problem from the binary distro |
| 20:34.42 | JeffM2501 | <brlcad> at least not without running the embedded binary, which isn't expected behavior (still will work, but you would have to provide the -dir option then) |
| 20:35.01 | CBG | I have a CVS version still on here... is that the problem? |
| 20:35.18 | CBG | JeffM2501: I copied the 2.0.4 into my apps folder and double clicked. |
| 20:35.27 | CBG | Or maybe I put it into the dock too and clicked that. Maybe both. |
| 20:35.32 | CBG | brlcad? :( |
| 20:35.51 | brlcad | CBG: did you do what it says? copy to apps folder? |
| 20:35.58 | brlcad | and try running it? |
| 20:35.58 | CBG | Yes. |
| 20:36.00 | CBG | Yes. |
| 20:36.04 | brlcad | what does it do? |
| 20:36.08 | CBG | Nothing. |
| 20:36.17 | brlcad | no bounce? |
| 20:36.20 | CBG | If I then try to run it from Terminal it tells me to use -dir |
| 20:36.24 | CBG | bounce? |
| 20:36.28 | CBG | in the dock, you mean? |
| 20:36.31 | JeffM2501 | term allways needs dir |
| 20:36.38 | JeffM2501 | the double click problem may not be the same |
| 20:36.44 | brlcad | CBG: I suspet you have a dir option already in your config |
| 20:36.53 | brlcad | move/delete your config |
| 20:37.02 | CBG | The icon bounced in the dock but then stopped.... |
| 20:37.15 | CBG | cant I look for a directory line in there and remove that? |
| 20:37.20 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:37.21 | brlcad | sure |
| 20:37.22 | CBG | :) |
| 20:37.43 | CBG | set directory /Applications/BZFlag/BZFlag-2.0.4.app/Contents/Resources |
| 20:38.00 | CBG | That could be because I did run bzflag in terminal with -dir ..... |
| 20:38.04 | CBG | as it suggested. :) |
| 20:38.08 | brlcad | get rid of that |
| 20:38.18 | CBG | brlcad: that's what is making it work :) |
| 20:38.33 | JeffM2501 | that's what is making it work for TERM, not for double click |
| 20:38.44 | JeffM2501 | it should work fine sans mods |
| 20:38.45 | brlcad | get rid of it, it 'knows' about the Resources dir when you double-click |
| 20:39.12 | JeffM2501 | it ran fine for me from the desktop on double click :0 |
| 20:39.12 | CBG | It works for double click. |
| 20:39.31 | JeffM2501 | if it works then why are you mentioning it? |
| 20:39.36 | CBG | When i first downloaded it and put it in apps, it didnt work. |
| 20:39.46 | CBG | I tried running it in terminal it said to use -dir. |
| 20:39.49 | CBG | so I did, it worked. |
| 20:39.54 | JeffM2501 | probably because your old 2.0.x config had someting old in it |
| 20:39.57 | brlcad | you probably had a different dir option in there |
| 20:40.00 | CBG | now that line is in my config and now it works by double click. |
| 20:40.00 | JeffM2501 | running from term ALLWAYS needs term |
| 20:40.03 | JeffM2501 | needs dir |
| 20:40.08 | CBG | brlcad: thats what I thought it might be |
| 20:40.16 | brlcad | every time you use -dir it overwrites what's in config |
| 20:40.18 | CBG | because I was using a CVS version before |
| 20:40.27 | CBG | brlcad: that must be it then :) |
| 20:40.43 | brlcad | right, and it was probably set to something like "data" or some other relative path, which won't work |
| 20:40.50 | CBG | Yeah. :) |
| 20:41.32 | brlcad | i should just pull in the resource find routines from brl-cad into bzflag.. they do a very good job of finding resources based off of configure/compile/install/run-time path locations |
| 20:41.40 | brlcad | automatically |
| 20:43.06 | JeffM2501 | on windows, I just find the running app, then look from there, that allways works :) |
| 20:43.15 | JeffM2501 | even with multiple versions |
| 20:44.12 | brlcad | JeffM2501: that's basically what these routines do for the unix side |
| 20:44.25 | JeffM2501 | it makes sense to keep the reses and the app together |
| 20:44.35 | JeffM2501 | it's not like they are usefull appart |
| 20:45.24 | JeffM2501 | why'd it have to be Walsh? |
| 20:47.30 | brlcad | it doesn't have to be "with" the binary .. just has to be in some location relative to the binary, which it is |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM2501 | true |
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| 21:02.46 | DTRemenak | ~tupone++ |
| 21:02.57 | Tupone | ? |
| 21:03.10 | Tupone | one line change ? |
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| 21:06.03 | JeffM2501 | is there a way to make a bzdb variable be setable at server start ( like from a map ), but not from a /set command? |
| 21:06.36 | DTRemenak | Tupone: yeah :) |
| 21:06.54 | Tupone | :) |
| 21:07.04 | Chestal | woah, Silvercat drives me mad |
| 21:07.12 | Chestal | so many clueless teammates |
| 21:07.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: nope |
| 21:07.17 | Chestal | all they do is shoot |
| 21:07.18 | Chestal | oh well |
| 21:07.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, k |
| 21:07.33 | JeffM2501 | new perm type then :) |
| 21:08.57 | JeffM2501 | moving the effects vars to the server, so they can be speced per map, and then everyone gets them. so if they are to be a hinderance, then it's for every one :) |
| 21:10.06 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 21:10.23 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 21:10.29 | bryjen | what's the Permission enum in include/StateDatabase.h ? |
| 21:10.35 | SportChick | hi guys! how goes it? |
| 21:10.41 | DTRemenak | hiya Sport |
| 21:10.44 | DTRemenak | hrmph |
| 21:10.51 | Aribeth | hi Sporty |
| 21:10.58 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak it'll be fine in the end... trust me |
| 21:10.59 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:11.00 | DTRemenak | tabcomplete doesn't work quite right when there's more than one of you on :) |
| 21:11.01 | Tupone | SportChick: I sent you a link ( hi :) ) |
| 21:11.03 | SportChick | DTRemenak: hrmph?! what did I do wrong? |
| 21:11.09 | SportChick | Tupone: yes, I saw it |
| 21:11.09 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah sure :P |
| 21:11.16 | JeffM2501 | all will be well |
| 21:11.29 | SportChick | DTRemenak: oh, I'll kill the old me |
| 21:11.44 | SportChick | DTRemenak: there |
| 21:11.54 | Aribeth | why? is the new you better? :P |
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| 21:11.55 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, he was probably hrmphing at me :0 |
| 21:12.01 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ah, ok |
| 21:12.02 | DTRemenak | SportChick: not a problem, just wasn't expecting it |
| 21:12.28 | SportChick | JeffM2501: is it too early to make a couple of minor (I think anyway) requests? |
| 21:12.39 | DTRemenak | SportChick: request away :) |
| 21:12.42 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, it's never early for anything |
| 21:12.46 | SportChick | :) |
| 21:14.11 | SportChick | dtremenak, jeffm2501, brlcad and anyone else who's listening: Here are my (semi-official) requests - (1) enable an optional sound upon server messages; (2) enable a server side setting allowing certain events to trigger a canned-PM message to the player (e.g., someone teamkills and receives a PM saying "Teamkills are not permitted on this server"). |
| 21:14.44 | JeffM2501 | well #2 could be a plugin easy |
| 21:14.49 | JeffM2501 | I did the work for #1 |
| 21:14.51 | SportChick | yay |
| 21:14.52 | JeffM2501 | just never checked it in |
| 21:14.56 | SportChick | double yay!! |
| 21:15.04 | SportChick | ~jeffm2501 |
| 21:15.08 | ibot | rumour has it, jeffm2501 is bzbb god |
| 21:15.08 | SportChick | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 21:15.14 | SportChick | (oops, forgot the ++) |
| 21:15.15 | RPG_ | I could make a patch for #2 if you wanted one |
| 21:15.15 | ToughShooter | Why didn't you checked it in? :o |
| 21:15.24 | SportChick | RPG_: cool! that would be great |
| 21:15.34 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, because 2.0.4 was in the process of being released |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM2501 | and I wanted to wait till after the tag |
| 21:16.05 | JeffM2501 | that fast? |
| 21:16.10 | menotume | JeffM2501: if my plugin wants to check arguments upon loading, and refuse to load if there is an error, should bz_Load return non-zero ? |
| 21:16.19 | brlcad | not good |
| 21:16.43 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't own it? |
| 21:16.54 | brlcad | "I've tried a couple of times to get the okay from SGI to release the code and have yet to get a single response." |
| 21:17.14 | brlcad | "Given that I haven't gotten a response from SGI, I thought that maybe I could find a copy of the code prior to me adding in the SGI copyright. Unfortunately, that code is extremely old. It is written in IrisGL, has no audio, no logos, and no team play. I doubt you could even find a system that it would compile under." |
| 21:17.16 | JeffM2501 | menotume, if you want, menotume or just don't register any events or comamnd callbacks, then you'll never be called till the end |
| 21:17.19 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Whenever I was requested a stable release I did bug fixes until I was able to think of another feature and then declared the buggy app as stable ;) |
| 21:17.33 | brlcad | "To be honest, I think it would almost be easier to start from scratch. The most complex part is the network code and that needs to be rewritten to use a server-client model instead of the server-less model that's in there now. The graphics are pretty trivial as is the collision detection (2D)." |
| 21:17.40 | menotume | JeffM2501: thx :) |
| 21:17.46 | brlcad | "I really, really wished I hadn't blindly added the SGI copyright notices." |
| 21:17.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM2501 | well if I can't see it on an SGI I can't clone it |
| 21:18.02 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 21:19.12 | RPG_ | heh, SportChick, I started a plugin similar to yours on yesterday :) |
| 21:19.37 | SportChick | RPG_: cool, thanks! I think it would be quite helpful |
| 21:20.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: play the message beep for server messages if the client has beepOnServerMsg 1 in there config |
| 21:21.38 | JeffM2501 | that should get you what you want |
| 21:22.02 | JeffM2501 | if you want a menu item for it, talk to the Jedi ;) |
| 21:22.07 | brlcad | JeffM2501: getting the binary is pretty easy.. i have machines that still have it installed |
| 21:22.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I don't have an SGI |
| 21:22.22 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 21:22.26 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:22.35 | trepan | JeffM2501: might want to fix that commit, IsSet() and IsTrue don't exist |
| 21:22.44 | SportChick | JeffM2501: how hard would it be to add an eFilterEvent? |
| 21:22.48 | JeffM2501 | they don't? |
| 21:22.48 | Tupone | menotume ! |
| 21:22.52 | JeffM2501 | wtf |
| 21:23.02 | bryjen | caps |
| 21:23.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:23.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: you really should compile before commit ;) |
| 21:23.13 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 21:23.16 | JeffM2501 | just in other tree |
| 21:23.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:23.18 | trepan | how? |
| 21:23.36 | JeffM2501 | that other tree has mods :) |
| 21:23.39 | JeffM2501 | I fix now |
| 21:25.10 | JeffM2501 | iced tea don't cut it |
| 21:25.17 | JeffM2501 | a good nap will take care of it |
| 21:25.30 | SportChick | JeffM2501: well, it's too hot for HOT tea |
| 21:25.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: me is dumb |
| 21:25.34 | RPG_ | ~sleep JeffM2501 |
| 21:25.36 | ibot | ACTION sends JeffM2501 to bed without supper |
| 21:25.37 | trepan | long island iced tea might help |
| 21:25.42 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, it's NEVER too hot for hot tea |
| 21:25.48 | Tupone | menotume: are you ignoring me ? |
| 21:25.57 | JeffM2501 | !weather 93021 |
| 21:25.59 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California (93021) is 78°F. |
| 21:26.02 | JeffM2501 | see it's nice |
| 21:26.20 | DTRemenak | !weather 91126 |
| 21:26.23 | TheLastSpartan | DTRemenak: The current temperature in Pasadena, California (91126) is 77°F. |
| 21:26.26 | JeffM2501 | found a green tea I rather like |
| 21:26.27 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 21:26.29 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 73°F. |
| 21:26.34 | JeffM2501 | see nice days |
| 21:26.43 | DTRemenak | !weather 95684 |
| 21:26.44 | SportChick | yep |
| 21:26.45 | TheLastSpartan | DTRemenak: The current temperature in Somerset, California (95684) is 38°F. |
| 21:26.49 | DTRemenak | brr |
| 21:26.54 | SportChick | JeffM2501: did see my note about eFilterEvent? |
| 21:26.54 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 21:26.56 | DTRemenak | that can't be right |
| 21:26.57 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 79°F. |
| 21:27.06 | ToughShooter | !weather EDDF |
| 21:27.08 | TheLastSpartan | ToughShooter: The current temperature in Frankfurt/main, Germany is 55°F. |
| 21:27.13 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, yes I did |
| 21:27.23 | JeffM2501 | nothing is ever that hard |
| 21:27.27 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ok |
| 21:27.53 | JeffM2501 | trigger it on every time the filter is hit? |
| 21:27.54 | SportChick | That proves it - Redondo Beach DEFINITELY has the nicest weather at the moment! |
| 21:28.01 | JeffM2501 | or just if it's hit once per message? |
| 21:28.01 | SportChick | JeffM2501: yes please |
| 21:28.13 | SportChick | JeffM2501: once per message is fine |
| 21:28.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you want once per hit |
| 21:28.26 | JeffM2501 | where is the filter done? |
| 21:28.50 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm not sure what you mean? RPG - do you know the answer to that? |
| 21:28.59 | RPG_ | by "once per hit", does that mean if someone cusses 4 times in one message, it will hit the event 4 times? |
| 21:29.01 | JeffM2501 | nether of you will |
| 21:29.02 | SportChick | I'm referring to the language filter |
| 21:29.07 | SportChick | ok |
| 21:29.08 | JeffM2501 | so the question wasn't for you guys :) |
| 21:29.21 | SportChick | RPG_: there were options |
| 21:29.57 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: bzfs.cxx 1060-ish |
| 21:29.57 | RPG_ | I envision it being done as if the filter is hit in a message, no matter if it's hit 1 time or 42 times, the event is only hit once |
| 21:29.58 | JeffM2501 | uggg... pointer stored in bzdb, that's not what it was designed for |
| 21:30.03 | SportChick | RPG_: once per message (i.e., if multiple hits in one message, then one eFilterEvent or if one per hit, then multiple hits in one message would provide multiple eFilterEvents) |
| 21:30.12 | SportChick | RPG_: I agree |
| 21:30.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: don't the docs specifically say not to do that? |
| 21:30.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:30.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - colored world weapon shots using 'color' param name |
| 21:30.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (bzfsAPI folks can decide if they want to use it) |
| 21:30.29 | JeffM2501 | docs? |
| 21:31.11 | DTRemenak | "If you wanted an object broker, use a freakin' global" |
| 21:31.22 | DTRemenak | from devinfo |
| 21:31.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:31.43 | JeffM2501 | well the world filter uses it |
| 21:31.55 | JeffM2501 | we have a getPointer and setPointer method in there for some reason |
| 21:31.59 | trepan | my fav is _poll |
| 21:32.03 | trepan | (that's the reason) |
| 21:32.28 | trepan | sry, just poll, not _poll; utter crap |
| 21:32.46 | JeffM2501 | hmm dono if we have a clean place to see if we filtered |
| 21:32.53 | DTRemenak | be fun to set it to random stuff ;) |
| 21:33.00 | JeffM2501 | I guess compare filtered and unfiltered messages if they are diff then we did |
| 21:34.21 | trepan | need an observer_bolt.png now |
| 21:34.50 | DTRemenak | trepan: err...observers are firing shots? :) |
| 21:34.57 | DTRemenak | that sounds...fun |
| 21:35.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/data/observer_bolt.png: a copy of rabbit_bolt.png |
| 21:36.20 | Aribeth | observers could shoot cheaters, and those with foul mouths :) |
| 21:36.34 | Aribeth | that would be fun |
| 21:36.54 | menotume | /boltkill callsign |
| 21:37.00 | Aribeth | ya |
| 21:37.02 | brlcad | god-mode.. make their tank do thinks |
| 21:37.04 | Tupone | menotume ? |
| 21:37.11 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 21:37.12 | brlcad | slap them around some |
| 21:37.40 | Aribeth | shoot a cheater, get 1 point |
| 21:39.13 | DTRemenak | you ian't :) |
| 21:39.36 | Aribeth | he don't know me very well do he :P |
| 21:40.18 | Aribeth | oh no, i've dated myself again :) |
| 21:40.55 | DTRemenak | you should try dating someone else for a change :P |
| 21:41.04 | Aribeth | lol |
| 21:41.17 | Aribeth | good comeback |
| 21:41.23 | DTRemenak | thx :) |
| 21:41.29 | bryjen | how many dates is that, and how far have you let yourself get? ;) |
| 21:41.38 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 21:41.54 | Aribeth | im not telling |
| 21:41.54 | Aribeth | :P |
| 21:43.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/data/observer_bolt.png: cyanize |
| 21:44.51 | JeffM2501 | man some events are missing from API docs |
| 21:46.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: that's one advantage of documentation in source files (like doxygen): you know when it's missing. |
| 21:46.57 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 21:48.11 | JeffM2501 | if the rest of the sources go to that, then maybe |
| 21:48.14 | DTRemenak | I know you know, I just like reminding you :P |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM2501 | this was as close as I could get to a "man" page |
| 21:51.23 | bryjen | trepan: you colorized the white bolt and lost the white core the other colored bolts have |
| 21:51.37 | trepan | i'm tweaking |
| 21:52.10 | bryjen | is it just me, or does the word bolt imply something rectangular or oblong, not spherical? |
| 21:57.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/data/observer_bolt.png: slightly better |
| 21:57.43 | SportChick | ~RPG++ |
| 21:58.02 | SportChick | bryjen: to me it implies something jagged |
| 22:00.00 | SportChick | ewwww |
| 22:00.27 | RPG_ | what the heck is a "mouse enhancement"? |
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| 22:01.29 | trepan | ground receivers: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/wirelight.jpg |
| 22:01.29 | JeffM2501 | people who use OS or tools to make the mouse faster then nomr |
| 22:01.32 | JeffM2501 | too fast |
| 22:02.00 | JeffM2501 | that is a lot fo teselation |
| 22:02.31 | trepan | ya, but the current version sucks |
| 22:03.04 | trepan | no reason it can't be LOD'ed a bit, and rendered faster |
| 22:04.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h plugins/doc/events.html src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): add event for when the chat filter changes a message |
| 22:10.03 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 22:10.13 | RPG_ | horray |
| 22:10.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure somone can spell check it |
| 22:10.17 | RPG_ | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 22:10.25 | JeffM2501 | and maybe test it |
| 22:10.37 | RPG_ | it's for sportchick's secretplace pluignk, i'll test it soon |
| 22:10.40 | JeffM2501 | but it compiles damnit! :) |
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| 22:13.57 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I'll try to begin adding the missing events for the python plugin tomorrow |
| 22:14.54 | RPG_ | SportChick: want to play a demo of the plugin? |
| 22:16.41 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, there are a lot of em :) |
| 22:16.57 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, if you used any new events, she'll need a new build of the client and server |
| 22:17.00 | JeffM2501 | and SP uses nix |
| 22:17.17 | JeffM2501 | I highly recomend you not do live testing on SP |
| 22:17.23 | RPG_ | no, i mean she'd just connect to my home server so she could see what th eplugin actually does |
| 22:17.28 | RPG_ | SP? |
| 22:17.31 | JeffM2501 | good call |
| 22:17.34 | JeffM2501 | SecretPlace |
| 22:17.47 | RPG_ | heh, no live testing there |
| 22:18.31 | ToughShooter | no one would seriously consider testing on popular servers |
| 22:18.50 | ToughShooter | except me |
| 22:19.14 | TD-Linux | RPG_: what plugin is this? /me is getting curious |
| 22:19.52 | RPG_ | PlayFair |
| 22:19.56 | RPG_ | started it yesterday |
| 22:20.03 | TD-Linux | :) |
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| 22:24.05 | JeffM2501 | The seasons don't frear the reaper |
| 22:24.09 | JeffM2501 | nether do the sun or the rain |
| 22:25.21 | SportChick | RPG_: sure |
| 22:25.30 | RPG_ | garrettp.homeip.net:5154 |
| 22:26.24 | ToughShooter | How to obtain a copy of the messages I've seen while playing in a plain text file? |
| 22:28.36 | bryjen | bzflag -echo > somefile.txt |
| 22:29.05 | brlcad | JeffM2501: we can be like they are, come on baby |
| 22:29.20 | JeffM2501 | on and ond and on |
| 22:29.42 | jomojo | okay here is what i would like, basically with the ability to close out the chat box or what have you, many people are missing admins warnings or the server warnings |
| 22:29.55 | jomojo | something a bit more dramatic and annoying would be nice |
| 22:30.12 | jomojo | flashing red, or loud noises something like that |
| 22:30.21 | jomojo | when the server or admin wants their attention |
| 22:30.42 | JeffM2501 | how does it know what messages are "warnings" and what ones are not? |
| 22:31.43 | jomojo | well server warnings should be easy enough |
| 22:32.01 | menotume | isn't this the same as what SC requested ? |
| 22:32.07 | jomojo | perhaps a command from admins like /warn #5 teamkilling |
| 22:32.13 | JeffM2501 | not all server messages are warnings |
| 22:32.21 | JeffM2501 | that means a new message type |
| 22:32.30 | jomojo | no but server messages sent to specific players are |
| 22:32.37 | JeffM2501 | or a change to the existing mesage type we have to say 'flash it' |
| 22:32.40 | ToughShooter | bryjen: That easy? :o |
| 22:32.44 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, not anymore |
| 22:32.47 | JeffM2501 | not with plugins |
| 22:33.02 | jomojo | like lag warnings or uneven teams capture |
| 22:33.14 | JeffM2501 | a plugin can send a message for any reason it wants |
| 22:33.19 | JeffM2501 | even "hi" |
| 22:33.24 | jomojo | i see |
| 22:33.25 | menotume | hello |
| 22:33.34 | JeffM2501 | you need a new bit on the message to say it's "important" |
| 22:33.45 | JeffM2501 | and that to trigger a new client effects |
| 22:33.46 | jomojo | well i have noticed since the ability to minimize the chat window or to hide it |
| 22:34.18 | jomojo | more and more players are oblivious to what is being said to them, or at least they claim to be |
| 22:35.27 | menotume | is this what SC requested: (1) enable an optional sound upon server messages; ? |
| 22:35.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah you'd want a bit on the messages, and then stuff like lagwarns and stuff set the bit |
| 22:35.37 | JeffM2501 | menotume, yeah |
| 22:35.42 | menotume | ahhh, k |
| 22:35.43 | JeffM2501 | I made it do the message beep |
| 22:35.54 | JeffM2501 | if you have a bzdb option set |
| 22:36.04 | JeffM2501 | beepOnServerMsg |
| 22:36.10 | menotume | ok ! |
| 22:36.19 | menotume | welll, is this not what jomojo wants ? |
| 22:36.24 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:36.29 | JeffM2501 | he wants a big ass flashy thing |
| 22:36.33 | jomojo | lol |
| 22:36.34 | JeffM2501 | with like horns and hoots and hollers |
| 22:36.35 | menotume | ahh |
| 22:36.41 | jomojo | no i want a good way to get attention |
| 22:36.47 | jomojo | but not just from server messages |
| 22:36.50 | menotume | but, there is a way to know a server msg ? |
| 22:36.53 | JeffM2501 | since he has people ignoring admin users now with a message |
| 22:36.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:36.59 | JeffM2501 | but not all server messages are warnings |
| 22:37.12 | menotume | k |
| 22:37.30 | JeffM2501 | just adding yet another beep, won't make people read it, they ignore the beep from an admin |
| 22:37.41 | JeffM2501 | so an "important" bit is needed |
| 22:37.41 | menotume | yep |
| 22:37.45 | JeffM2501 | to make it flash or do something |
| 22:37.49 | JeffM2501 | force it to show or whatnot |
| 22:38.02 | JeffM2501 | then both server messages, and admin messags could set it |
| 22:38.08 | menotume | i can't think of a server message that isn't important, though |
| 22:38.23 | JeffM2501 | with plugins there are more of them |
| 22:38.28 | JeffM2501 | since plugins send out text all the time :) |
| 22:38.30 | ToughShooter | Crashlog of what happened to me at RPG_'s server: http://pastebin.com/382118 |
| 22:38.43 | menotume | ahhh |
| 22:38.45 | JeffM2501 | the welcome text is often ignorable once you've been to the server once |
| 22:38.49 | JeffM2501 | you'd not want to honk over that |
| 22:38.54 | menotume | yes |
| 22:38.58 | JeffM2501 | so there are some |
| 22:39.00 | menotume | agreed |
| 22:40.20 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, your dying in SDL |
| 22:40.39 | JeffM2501 | in the sound |
| 22:41.04 | jomojo | right so perhaps |
| 22:41.14 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: RPG_ made a plugin that played admin message sound when teamkilling |
| 22:41.17 | jomojo | there could be an admin command like /warn |
| 22:41.24 | jomojo | that would get one attention |
| 22:41.37 | ToughShooter | and I got shot at teamkilled someone at same time |
| 22:41.37 | RPG_ | hmm... /playsound <file> |
| 22:41.43 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, oh |
| 22:41.45 | JeffM2501 | dude that's bad |
| 22:41.51 | JeffM2501 | sound playing is buggy |
| 22:41.56 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts why it was removed |
| 22:41.59 | JeffM2501 | from the samples |
| 22:42.05 | jomojo | and that /warn command could automatically set up for certain server messages |
| 22:42.13 | JeffM2501 | RPG_away, don't play sounds, it dosn't work |
| 22:42.20 | jomojo | such as lagwarn or uneven teams message |
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| 22:43.08 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, yes you'd set the important bit for messages like that |
| 22:43.43 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, that means it's branch time :) |
| 22:43.56 | jomojo | oh boy |
| 22:43.59 | JeffM2501 | since that bit would be a proto break |
| 22:45.41 | JeffM2501 | I don't know if the rest of them are ready for a proto break |
| 22:45.57 | menotume | new msg type ? |
| 22:46.05 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: who's not ready? |
| 22:46.11 | menotume | clients ignore unknown msgtypes, yes ? |
| 22:46.55 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 22:47.01 | DTRemenak | menotume: yes |
| 22:47.05 | JeffM2501 | I keep seeing stuff go in that people use now |
| 22:47.07 | menotume | it should - would help a whole lot :) |
| 22:47.12 | JeffM2501 | I'll do the change and break it off :) |
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| 22:47.53 | menotume | that way we don't have to wait a year to get that feature :) |
| 22:47.59 | ToughShooter | nHi Tegan |
| 22:48.04 | menotume | at least with newer clients |
| 22:48.44 | JeffM2501 | menotume, but that's a hack |
| 22:49.14 | JeffM2501 | and old clients don't even SEE the text, even if they are showing there chat windows |
| 22:49.21 | JeffM2501 | so it's useless for old clients |
| 22:49.28 | menotume | ahh, yes |
| 22:49.31 | JeffM2501 | it has to go with a proto break |
| 22:49.38 | JeffM2501 | since it is an "important" message |
| 22:50.04 | menotume | jomojo: check back when 3.0 comes out :) |
| 22:50.11 | jomojo | so what you are saying is that even if this was available |
| 22:50.13 | JeffM2501 | at some point 2.0.x just has to die |
| 22:50.20 | menotume | there ARE toher ways |
| 22:50.22 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, yes I can't make old clients work with it |
| 22:50.28 | menotume | if we think ahead in our msg formats |
| 22:50.34 | jomojo | you can? |
| 22:50.38 | menotume | (add a byte to the end) |
| 22:50.47 | JeffM2501 | it's a string |
| 22:50.52 | JeffM2501 | variable len |
| 22:50.58 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.03 | menotume | :) |
| 22:51.07 | JeffM2501 | lots of thigns we could do "IF" |
| 22:51.11 | JeffM2501 | but we didn't "IF" |
| 22:51.12 | menotume | hehe |
| 22:51.15 | JeffM2501 | so now it is how it is |
| 22:51.21 | menotume | so, let's do it on next proto break :) |
| 22:51.32 | JeffM2501 | anything we do in this proto is a shoehorn job |
| 22:51.50 | JeffM2501 | menotume, we are at next proto break |
| 22:51.56 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 is shiped |
| 22:51.58 | menotume | ahhh |
| 22:52.01 | JeffM2501 | is there a plan for a 2.0.6 ? |
| 22:52.29 | JeffM2501 | is the 0026 proto just THAT cool to keep around? |
| 22:53.13 | JeffM2501 | at some point somone is going to find a feature that can't be done sans proto break, why put it off |
| 22:53.25 | menotume | makes no diff to me |
| 22:53.27 | JeffM2501 | I allready have a couple in my head |
| 22:53.30 | JeffM2501 | score fixes |
| 22:53.32 | JeffM2501 | etc... |
| 22:53.37 | menotume | i just need to learn how to do branches |
| 22:53.44 | JeffM2501 | you right click |
| 22:53.46 | ToughShooter | How about my optional GM patch? ;) |
| 22:54.00 | menotume | but, no biggie |
| 22:54.01 | JeffM2501 | yes all those patches that change gameplay can go in |
| 22:55.37 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: there probably will be a 2.0.6. doesn't mean we can't be working on 2.1 in the meantime. |
| 22:55.43 | JeffM2501 | well I know trepan is still making changes and fixes |
| 22:56.17 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah but if .6 will be out fast ( like for the fixes ) then waiting could be beter then making 5 out of 6 people commit 2x |
| 22:56.43 | JeffM2501 | or at least waiting till some of the big fixes are in |
| 22:56.49 | menotume | ahhh, that's the trick, commit twice :) |
| 22:56.51 | DTRemenak | commit 1x and merge across branches every once in a while |
| 22:56.52 | JeffM2501 | or even say a debian package posted ;) |
| 22:57.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/Team.cxx: observer shots are cyan, will commit black borders patch later |
| 22:57.20 | JeffM2501 | how hard is the merge? |
| 22:57.29 | JeffM2501 | I've never done one |
| 22:58.00 | JeffM2501 | or I just put all these features in the fork and covert people early :) |
| 22:58.01 | trepan | DTRemenak: i'd give it a week or two for bugs to come out of the increased testing |
| 22:58.13 | trepan | then fork |
| 22:58.18 | JeffM2501 | branch |
| 22:58.34 | trepan | semantics |
| 22:58.44 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: cvs update -j HEAD -j v2_0branch bzflag |
| 22:58.45 | JeffM2501 | one is metal, another is wood :) |
| 22:58.59 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, and thenf fix conflics :) |
| 22:59.03 | DTRemenak | then iron out any conflicts (that's the harder part) |
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| 23:00.33 | silverfox | what's this about a new message type? What'd I miss?!? |
| 23:00.46 | JeffM2501 | silverfox, just talk of the next proto break |
| 23:01.00 | JeffM2501 | way to flag chat messages as "important" so they are forced to display on the client |
| 23:01.05 | JeffM2501 | and flash and beep or something |
| 23:01.27 | JeffM2501 | perhaps have a dancing clown |
| 23:02.11 | trepan | use a magic char hack, like /me ? |
| 23:02.36 | trepan | old clients will just strip it |
| 23:02.46 | JeffM2501 | that woudl be hacktastic |
| 23:03.02 | menotume | three options: |
| 23:03.18 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.24 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.29 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.31 | JeffM2501 | FEEATTTURE CREEEEAAAAAPP |
| 23:03.34 | JeffM2501 | fic? |
| 23:03.58 | menotume | well, enhance the proto ... of course that won't help us now |
| 23:04.01 | trepan | 2 = add new Msg? |
| 23:04.13 | JeffM2501 | and that has it's own problems |
| 23:04.19 | JeffM2501 | you could do a negotiation thing |
| 23:04.27 | JeffM2501 | and see who needs new and old messages |
| 23:04.32 | menotume | right |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM2501 | again a lot of work, that is just going to be removed later |
| 23:04.43 | menotume | that's nasty |
| 23:04.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:04.54 | JeffM2501 | how long has 2.0 been out? |
| 23:05.17 | menotume | 2) fix the proto meaning that we enhance it in 3.0 or whatever it's gonna be |
| 23:05.18 | DTRemenak | 10 months |
| 23:05.28 | JeffM2501 | and this is the first we've heard of it? |
| 23:05.42 | JeffM2501 | menotume, that's still just a subset of #1 |
| 23:05.46 | JeffM2501 | it's not a solution |
| 23:05.58 | menotume | right, it is a solution for the future, not now |
| 23:06.04 | menotume | now, we only have 'hack' |
| 23:06.15 | JeffM2501 | the proto does mean something now |
| 23:06.32 | menotume | and, by 'fixing' proto, i don't mean go overboard like XML :) |
| 23:06.33 | JeffM2501 | what you are talking about is removing the proto |
| 23:06.42 | JeffM2501 | and make all our messages self contained |
| 23:06.51 | JeffM2501 | a possibility |
| 23:06.59 | JeffM2501 | but I fear you will find that it adds a lot more data |
| 23:07.11 | menotume | i mean, a MsgType, MsgLen AND MsgVersion |
| 23:07.17 | JeffM2501 | the special character thing is probalby the simplest hack |
| 23:07.47 | menotume | add a field to the msg, bump the MsgVersion |
| 23:08.00 | menotume | never change what is there, only add |
| 23:08.03 | JeffM2501 | menotume, you still have the same compatability problems |
| 23:08.09 | JeffM2501 | old clients would not know what to do |
| 23:08.16 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.34 | menotume | so, old clients use what they know, ignoring added field |
| 23:08.35 | JeffM2501 | for an app like IRC sure |
| 23:08.49 | JeffM2501 | but at some point you are going to have game changing features that can't just be filtered out |
| 23:08.53 | JeffM2501 | it's a GAME |
| 23:08.55 | menotume | yes |
| 23:09.02 | menotume | then, new msgtypes |
| 23:09.07 | menotume | how else to deal with that |
| 23:09.11 | JeffM2501 | with a proto |
| 23:09.15 | JeffM2501 | and don't let old clients play |
| 23:09.22 | menotume | ok |
| 23:09.27 | JeffM2501 | there is no advantage in keeping old clients |
| 23:09.30 | JeffM2501 | none |
| 23:09.33 | menotume | yes, at SOME points, you need a proto break |
| 23:09.44 | JeffM2501 | better to build an auto update system |
| 23:09.49 | menotume | eeeep |
| 23:09.50 | JeffM2501 | that just forces people to upgrade :) |
| 23:09.55 | JeffM2501 | it's a real time game |
| 23:09.58 | JeffM2501 | you want speed |
| 23:09.58 | TD-Linux | trepan's moving objects probalby should be held back for the next protocol also, as they change gameplay majorly |
| 23:10.19 | trepan | idiot |
| 23:10.22 | JeffM2501 | they are draw only |
| 23:10.26 | menotume | he better leave :) |
| 23:10.26 | JeffM2501 | I was jsut gonna type that |
| 23:11.06 | JeffM2501 | menotume, if we pad the data with sizes and offsets, and all that, and extra data we don't need anymore, then we waste bandwith |
| 23:11.08 | trepan | although, with the time syncing, you could make the server eat shots that hit them |
| 23:11.10 | JeffM2501 | and we are a HOG now |
| 23:12.03 | JeffM2501 | like you say we can't go overboard like XML, but that' is allmost what you need to maintain compatability |
| 23:12.14 | menotume | nahhh |
| 23:12.15 | JeffM2501 | best for the future is to move as much server side |
| 23:12.22 | JeffM2501 | and just tell the client what to do |
| 23:12.34 | JeffM2501 | like "this is text message, and also do this effect" |
| 23:12.41 | JeffM2501 | then on the server we can combine them anyway |
| 23:12.45 | menotume | for MSgMsg, just null-terminate the string |
| 23:12.59 | JeffM2501 | with out changing any data transfer stuff |
| 23:13.00 | menotume | old clients read up to the null |
| 23:13.04 | JeffM2501 | menotume, it probably is |
| 23:13.16 | menotume | new clients will look for new fields after the null if MsgVersion says to |
| 23:13.18 | JeffM2501 | we can just design our stuff better |
| 23:13.35 | menotume | i'm not saying that we don't need to break proto sometimes .... |
| 23:13.36 | JeffM2501 | menotume, none of this changes it now |
| 23:13.41 | menotume | right |
| 23:13.45 | JeffM2501 | so what's the point? |
| 23:13.51 | menotume | just allows us to little mods without waiting |
| 23:13.59 | menotume | arg |
| 23:14.02 | JeffM2501 | so will more server side stuff |
| 23:14.07 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways to do it |
| 23:14.17 | menotume | k |
| 23:14.18 | JeffM2501 | never trust a client, ever :) |
| 23:14.18 | menotume | :) |
| 23:14.22 | menotume | agreed |
| 23:14.40 | menotume | is this current proto break going to do all that ? |
| 23:14.49 | JeffM2501 | it can if we care to do it right |
| 23:15.00 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to evaluate all messages |
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| 23:18.06 | JeffM2501 | but we first hear this 10 months after it coudl happen, I can't belive it's a huge problem |
| 23:18.17 | DTRemenak | what is "this" again? |
| 23:18.25 | menotume | we hear it now because of plugins, i believe |
| 23:18.34 | JeffM2501 | plugins don't remove radar |
| 23:18.38 | JeffM2501 | plugins don't lagwarn |
| 23:18.55 | menotume | plugins are sending the warning msgs that jomo wants hilighted |
| 23:19.03 | JeffM2501 | he said lagwarn |
| 23:19.04 | menotume | i don't know what SC's needs were |
| 23:19.13 | JeffM2501 | SC just wanted a beep |
| 23:19.14 | JeffM2501 | that I did |
| 23:19.19 | trepan | DTRemenak: MsgMesssage are TCP, no? |
| 23:19.24 | DTRemenak | trepan: are they? |
| 23:19.29 | trepan | think so, hope so |
| 23:19.36 | DTRemenak | that would seem to make sense |
| 23:19.43 | menotume | ahh, he told me 'uneven team' msgs |
| 23:19.47 | JeffM2501 | then they'd be ordered |
| 23:19.48 | DTRemenak | your important message flag would need to be sent tcp also then |
| 23:19.54 | JeffM2501 | menotume, they are just one then |
| 23:20.03 | DTRemenak | and couldn't affect a udp message. need some nifty client-side code. |
| 23:20.13 | trepan | NetHandler.cxx/391 |
| 23:20.30 | DTRemenak | ah, yup |
| 23:20.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking now of an "effect" flag that has more then one option |
| 23:20.43 | JeffM2501 | for future expansion |
| 23:20.50 | JeffM2501 | or a "priority" |
| 23:21.24 | JeffM2501 | maybe we have some bools now, pack it all up in a char, witht he bools, 4 bits for the bools, 4 for a priority |
| 23:21.58 | JeffM2501 | would not add much fat, and still let us do more later with out a proto break |
| 23:22.49 | JeffM2501 | then we could also add in effects for comamnd errors, or just simple notifications |
| 23:22.55 | JeffM2501 | like friends who have come online |
| 23:23.00 | JeffM2501 | etc... |
| 23:23.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ShockWaveStrategy.cxx: colorblind does not affet world weapons |
| 23:23.15 | menotume | yes, extra bits :) |
| 23:23.47 | menotume | may need that MsgVersion though, depending on what they are used for |
| 23:24.06 | SportChick | jomojo: uoi |
| 23:24.12 | SportChick | you're needed at silvercat |
| 23:24.16 | trepan | could someone join trepan.homelinux.net:5154 (WW Color Test) as a non-rogue |
| 23:24.17 | JeffM2501 | if what they mean changes, then we do a proto break |
| 23:24.23 | JeffM2501 | like a hybrid of your method |
| 23:24.29 | menotume | eeeep |
| 23:24.32 | menotume | i mean ... |
| 23:24.37 | JeffM2501 | only add to the bits you have there, when you change what it all means, you break |
| 23:24.41 | menotume | new version looks at previously unused bit |
| 23:24.46 | menotume | sees a zero |
| 23:25.03 | menotume | does the zero mean the feature is turned off, or it's an old client |
| 23:25.13 | JeffM2501 | you make the old versions smart, they don't look at what they don't know, or if they are out of range, they asume a default |
| 23:25.20 | menotume | yes |
| 23:25.25 | menotume | but, new version |
| 23:25.40 | menotume | you'll end up setting a bit meaning that the next bit is now used |
| 23:25.42 | JeffM2501 | if the field now means something totaly difrent, then you break proto |
| 23:25.56 | menotume | it didn't mean anything in the old version is what i mean |
| 23:25.58 | JeffM2501 | menotume, I didn' mean bits for the flags like that |
| 23:25.58 | DTRemenak | menotume: make the bits mean specific changes |
| 23:26.15 | DTRemenak | there's one controlling authority for the protocol. each bit is reserved until it is used |
| 23:26.22 | menotume | yes |
| 23:26.33 | menotume | then, it's s MsgVersion :) |
| 23:26.38 | JeffM2501 | for this I'd use 4 bits for an enumeration of a set of mutualy exclusive "priority" modes |
| 23:26.42 | DTRemenak | 0 means "old behaviour for feature x". 1 means "new behaviour for feature x". |
| 23:26.51 | JeffM2501 | and the other 4 bits for the existing flags |
| 23:26.58 | menotume | ok, but new version sees zeros in those bits .... |
| 23:27.01 | DTRemenak | we have a MsgVersion, call it something else ;) |
| 23:27.11 | menotume | what does that mean ... low priority, or old client ? |
| 23:27.15 | DTRemenak | or maybe had |
| 23:27.22 | DTRemenak | looks like ha |
| 23:27.23 | JeffM2501 | 0 would be a normal message |
| 23:27.24 | DTRemenak | d |
| 23:27.31 | JeffM2501 | 1 is important |
| 23:27.41 | JeffM2501 | lets say we add a new mode and call it 3 |
| 23:27.44 | JeffM2501 | o r2 |
| 23:27.47 | trepan | Aribeth: thx |
| 23:27.54 | JeffM2501 | old cient sees a 2 |
| 23:28.05 | menotume | that works if you know what your gonna use them for before they are used :) |
| 23:28.07 | Aribeth | anytime |
| 23:28.11 | JeffM2501 | says "hey I only know up to 1" and defaults to 0 |
| 23:28.31 | JeffM2501 | menotume, yes, you think ahead at other possible uses |
| 23:28.35 | JeffM2501 | it's called planning |
| 23:28.41 | menotume | doesn't give you toal flexibility |
| 23:28.41 | JeffM2501 | not flying by the seat of your pants |
| 23:28.46 | JeffM2501 | no solution does |
| 23:28.54 | JeffM2501 | and we don't need 100% flex |
| 23:29.01 | JeffM2501 | we just need a little more then we have now |
| 23:29.10 | JeffM2501 | if we did, then we'd be sending XML |
| 23:29.11 | menotume | lol |
| 23:29.18 | menotume | nvm |
| 23:29.29 | DTRemenak | heh. "Got shot by teammate world weapon" :) |
| 23:29.39 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 23:29.43 | RPG_ | lol |
| 23:29.48 | trepan | figured that would happen ;) |
| 23:29.54 | Aribeth | my bullets were hardly moving |
| 23:30.06 | JeffM2501 | and yes, making a client smart enough to not read past a message and look for data at the end is a good thing, we do that now with some messages |
| 23:30.54 | DTRemenak | trepan: can I suggest that you commit ShockWaveStrategy.h? :) |
| 23:31.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ShockWaveStrategy.h: sure, suggest away |
| 23:32.07 | trepan | fixed 'teammate', can't commit playing.cxx |
| 23:32.08 | DTRemenak | thanks! :) |
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| 23:40.12 | RPG_ | i could try |
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| 23:54.11 | BinarySpike | Hey guys... do I need to disable anything when compiling on Mac os X? |
| 23:54.18 | BinarySpike | (mac os x 10.2) |
| 23:54.47 | JeffM2501 | upgrade to 1.03 |
| 23:54.49 | JeffM2501 | 10.3 |
| 23:54.50 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 23:54.52 | JeffM2501 | so you get plugins |
| 23:54.57 | BinarySpike | I can't at the moment... :( |
| 23:55.13 | BinarySpike | I did have a panther install cd but the thing it came with broke... so I sent it back |
| 23:56.07 | JeffM2501 | the binarys on SF are build wtih 10.2 |
| 23:56.21 | BinarySpike | I know... I wana compile it myself though |
| 23:56.38 | JeffM2501 | then compile away |
| 23:56.47 | JeffM2501 | any info you need would be in the readme |
| 23:56.55 | BinarySpike | k... um... here's an error |
| 23:57.02 | BinarySpike | Continuing build preparation ... autoconf: invalid option -f |
| 23:57.02 | BinarySpike | Try `autoconf --help' for more information. |
| 23:57.03 | BinarySpike | ERROR: autoconf failed |
| 23:57.12 | JeffM2501 | you have autoconf? |
| 23:57.13 | BinarySpike | ./autogen.sh |
| 23:57.24 | BinarySpike | I have no idea... |
| 23:57.29 | JeffM2501 | your autoconf is probably too old |
| 23:57.41 | BinarySpike | Found GNU Autoconf version 2.52 |
| 23:58.46 | JeffM2501 | well I'd get one that supports -f |
| 23:59.51 | BinarySpike | does autoconf work on all systems? |
