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| 00:20.18 | TD-Linux | Does anyone have advice on USB drives? |
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| 00:38.35 | JeffM2501 | yay she made it home |
| 00:39.54 | Silent_Swan | in one piece, at that |
| 00:40.26 | Aribeth | hi Silent_Swan |
| 00:40.38 | Thumper_ | ok I'm running a new server (built yesterday) and old clients crash with it but the new client works |
| 00:40.43 | Thumper_ | is this a known issue? |
| 00:40.59 | Silent_Swan | hey Aribeth |
| 00:41.07 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 00:41.25 | JeffM2501 | what OS do they crash on? |
| 00:41.32 | Thumper_ | linux... |
| 00:41.34 | Thumper_ | let me try that again |
| 00:41.36 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, you are a very good photographer |
| 00:41.44 | Thumper_ | I think maybe I had 2 bzflag clients running :-O |
| 00:42.04 | wegstar | :) |
| 00:42.10 | Aribeth | lol |
| 00:43.24 | Silent_Swan | nice pictures out there :) always fun putting a face to the name |
| 00:44.29 | Silent_Swan | in my case, however, it's probably best left at just the name |
| 00:44.43 | JeffM2501 | why? |
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| 00:45.18 | JeffM2501 | I thought I took that out |
| 00:45.20 | JeffM2501 | long ago |
| 00:45.25 | Silent_Swan | nope |
| 00:45.29 | JeffM2501 | to make room for the cup holder |
| 00:45.39 | JeffM2501 | and the MP3 player |
| 00:45.50 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 00:45.59 | JeffM2501 | cus everything needs a cup holder |
| 00:46.13 | Silent_Swan | yes, this computer right here has 2 of them |
| 00:46.25 | JeffM2501 | the mini dosn't |
| 00:46.27 | JeffM2501 | it's sad :( |
| 00:46.30 | Silent_Swan | aww :( |
| 00:46.33 | Silent_Swan | well |
| 00:46.33 | JeffM2501 | all it can do is stick out it's tounge |
| 00:46.37 | Silent_Swan | won't buy one of those then |
| 00:47.27 | JeffM2501 | truer words have never been spoken |
| 00:47.32 | TD-Linux | I'd like to see how you fit a cup in each of your computer's cupholders |
| 00:47.44 | Silent_Swan | one is external :) |
| 00:47.51 | JeffM2501 | and many cases have more then 2 bays |
| 00:47.54 | JeffM2501 | would not be hard |
| 00:47.56 | blast007 | http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/thermaltake_xray_pc_lighter_and_cup_holder_04060129/ |
| 00:48.11 | Thumper_ | might have been a false alarm... one other player was complaining about random crashes whenlanding on a texture block |
| 00:48.16 | JeffM2501 | the 5.25inch tape deck takes the cake tho |
| 00:48.18 | Thumper_ | but not sure if that is real or not |
| 00:48.41 | Thumper_ | I can't repeat it now |
| 00:48.56 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 you have a cake holder, too??? |
| 00:48.58 | Thumper_ | so it must have been my 2 clients |
| 00:48.58 | Silent_Swan | i'm jealous |
| 00:49.06 | JeffM2501 | cupcakes |
| 00:49.11 | Silent_Swan | mmm... |
| 00:49.12 | JeffM2501 | they fit into cup holders |
| 00:49.27 | JeffM2501 | but I'm more of a cookie baker guy |
| 00:49.36 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:49.43 | Silent_Swan | chocolate chip, please |
| 00:49.58 | TD-Linux | I have a slot to put cookies into... but when you push the eject button, they don't come out :( |
| 00:50.32 | JeffM2501 | there is another kind of cookie |
| 00:50.35 | TD-Linux | the old-style 5.25 inch cookie holders are much better |
| 00:51.14 | JeffM2501 | tho one kind I make has oats in it as well, it's rather good |
| 00:51.15 | Silent_Swan | right, now i'm getting hungry. i've had a total of 2 candy bars today... and that's all |
| 00:51.19 | JeffM2501 | lots of brown sugar |
| 00:51.24 | JeffM2501 | you should eat proper |
| 00:51.34 | Silent_Swan | blah |
| 00:51.50 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501, your cookes sound good :) |
| 00:51.59 | JeffM2501 | don't they have all sorts of delivery stuff out there in the big world parts of the US? |
| 00:52.07 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, they are |
| 00:52.10 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 00:52.13 | JeffM2501 | "gina's magic cookies" |
| 00:52.14 | Silent_Swan | i may get a salad later |
| 00:52.20 | TD-Linux | can you put your cookie in your cup holder and send me the disk image? |
| 00:52.29 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 00:53.02 | Silent_Swan | i've had those things on my mind for a while.. |
| 00:53.06 | JeffM2501 | thems good |
| 00:53.12 | Silent_Swan | thems heaven |
| 00:53.14 | JeffM2501 | all ya need is a fondu pot |
| 00:53.18 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 00:53.22 | JeffM2501 | they grow nice big fresh ones out here |
| 00:53.30 | JeffM2501 | get em off a guy and a truck on the corner |
| 00:53.45 | JeffM2501 | 10$ a flat or something like that |
| 00:53.50 | Silent_Swan | i'm trying to resist the temptation to go to the local Godiva chocolate shop and spent $75 on chocolate |
| 00:53.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:54.02 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org |
| 00:54.08 | Silent_Swan | don't think i've not done this before :) |
| 00:54.09 | bryjen | eep |
| 00:54.11 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the chocolate godiva cheese cake from CKF |
| 00:54.16 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org |
| 00:54.23 | Silent_Swan | *drool* |
| 00:54.29 | JeffM2501 | ever had it? |
| 00:54.31 | bryjen | methinks ibot needs an update |
| 00:54.42 | JeffM2501 | or ibot needs a swift kick |
| 00:54.59 | Silent_Swan | no, but the thought is all i need |
| 00:55.03 | Silent_Swan | must look for this |
| 00:55.07 | bryjen | older bzflag clients don't seem to have a problem with it |
| 00:55.25 | bryjen | Mad City! Come shoot ze n00beez! |
| 00:55.30 | JeffM2501 | http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/images/menu_pictures/menu_Cheesecake_GodivaChocolate.jpg |
| 00:55.43 | JeffM2501 | I don't think there is any cheese in it |
| 00:55.45 | Silent_Swan | must |
| 00:55.46 | Silent_Swan | not |
| 00:55.47 | JeffM2501 | it's calling to you |
| 00:55.50 | Silent_Swan | ok, i'll look |
| 00:56.05 | Silent_Swan | oh. my. |
| 00:56.15 | Silent_Swan | why are you doing this to me?!?!?! :) |
| 00:56.21 | JeffM2501 | that and a twilight zone is great |
| 00:56.23 | JeffM2501 | aftter dinner |
| 00:56.39 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 00:57.13 | JeffM2501 | that would be why it's undernet |
| 00:57.19 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 00:58.36 | Silent_Swan | *burp* |
| 00:58.49 | JeffM2501 | if it's carbonated it's not wine :) |
| 00:58.56 | Silent_Swan | no |
| 00:59.07 | TD-Linux | did you mean *hic* ? |
| 00:59.12 | JeffM2501 | had to teach my friends wife once that the "boons farm" company dosn't make real wine |
| 00:59.13 | Silent_Swan | perhaps |
| 00:59.39 | Silent_Swan | i've seen horse farms, cattle farms, chicken farms. but never a boon farm. |
| 00:59.48 | JeffM2501 | strawbery hill |
| 00:59.58 | Silent_Swan | quite a thrill |
| 01:00.05 | JeffM2501 | "wine" does not say "best served cold" and have a screw top :) |
| 01:00.10 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 01:00.12 | Silent_Swan | ewwww |
| 01:00.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:00.18 | JeffM2501 | the bum hooch |
| 01:00.23 | Silent_Swan | $3.95/L |
| 01:00.31 | JeffM2501 | when it's not on sale |
| 01:00.54 | Silent_Swan | chardonnay |
| 01:00.59 | JeffM2501 | also good |
| 01:01.04 | Silent_Swan | always nice before bed |
| 01:01.17 | JeffM2501 | one of many things that is |
| 01:01.56 | SportChick | yes, I made it home. I'm gonna go to the store so i can drive in my nice A/C car |
| 01:01.59 | JeffM2501 | cookies are good |
| 01:02.07 | JeffM2501 | before bed |
| 01:02.18 | JeffM2501 | 'n stuff |
| 01:02.23 | Silent_Swan | hehe |
| 01:02.29 | TD-Linux | Cookies and MILK, right? ;) |
| 01:02.32 | JeffM2501 | tho stuff is better |
| 01:02.38 | JeffM2501 | milk can be involved |
| 01:02.43 | Silent_Swan | i must apologize for my 1-track mind... which is typically derailed. |
| 01:02.46 | JeffM2501 | but I wont' go there |
| 01:04.18 | Silent_Swan | TD-Linux that may be the reason you don't scare me |
| 01:04.29 | Silent_Swan | normal people scare me |
| 01:04.57 | TD-Linux | have you ever seen how bright a christmas lilght is at 24V? |
| 01:05.07 | Silent_Swan | i would think it would fry itself |
| 01:05.17 | TD-Linux | it's quite bright |
| 01:05.26 | TD-Linux | it lasts a fraction of a second |
| 01:05.35 | Silent_Swan | *pop* |
| 01:06.12 | TD-Linux | in a dark room, it lights up so bright that you can only see white for an instant |
| 01:06.30 | Silent_Swan | lightning got into a phone line of mine once and fried a modem... nice loud *BANG* at 3am, followed immediately by the oh-so-pleasant fragrance of smoked diodes |
| 01:06.44 | TD-Linux | once, I rigged a chirstmas light in a friend's calculator |
| 01:06.56 | TD-Linux | along with a bunch of spare button batteries |
| 01:06.59 | Silent_Swan | surprisingly, the ONLY thing on the bored that fried was a single diode |
| 01:07.06 | Silent_Swan | board |
| 01:07.06 | TD-Linux | did you replace it? |
| 01:07.08 | Silent_Swan | no |
| 01:07.10 | TD-Linux | why? |
| 01:07.17 | TD-Linux | all you need is a diode and a soldering iron |
| 01:07.19 | Silent_Swan | i should say: the only thing that *visibly* fried |
| 01:07.39 | Silent_Swan | it was a cheapo. not worth it |
| 01:07.42 | TD-Linux | I have made traces fly out of proto boards |
| 01:07.56 | Silent_Swan | now you're scaring me :) |
| 01:07.58 | TD-Linux | fortunately, the 52 pin TQFP didn't get any harm |
| 01:08.13 | TD-Linux | I shorted out a 3AH battery pack ;) |
| 01:08.26 | TD-Linux | a racing battery that can supply over 10A of current |
| 01:08.33 | TD-Linux | it went BANG |
| 01:08.53 | TD-Linux | I repaired it easily with some old telephone wire and a soldering iron :) |
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| 01:09.16 | TD-Linux | I had this nice 2x24 character LCD connected to a basic stamp II |
| 01:09.18 | Aribeth | TD-Linux, you sound dangerious |
| 01:09.28 | TD-Linux | I wasn't using it, but left it connected |
| 01:09.34 | Silent_Swan | danger can be fun :) |
| 01:09.38 | TD-Linux | there were two pins for hte backlight that stuck out |
| 01:09.46 | TD-Linux | there was a stray paperclip on the desk |
| 01:09.56 | TD-Linux | you know what happened ;) |
| 01:10.01 | Aribeth | zap |
| 01:10.08 | TD-Linux | it smelled really, really bad |
| 01:10.18 | TD-Linux | It ran for almost a full 30 seconds |
| 01:10.25 | TD-Linux | I flipped the lcd over |
| 01:10.30 | TD-Linux | it was very hot |
| 01:10.32 | Silent_Swan | TD-Linux sounds like the sort that constructs explosive devices out of common household chemicals :) |
| 01:10.35 | TD-Linux | this was still with the power on |
| 01:10.59 | TD-Linux | 3 SMT resistors were a boiling goop of carbon |
| 01:10.59 | Aribeth | ahh the smell of burnt fingers |
| 01:11.03 | TD-Linux | they were bubbling |
| 01:11.06 | Silent_Swan | ewwwwwww |
| 01:11.11 | TD-Linux | and making a frying sound |
| 01:11.17 | TD-Linux | sizzling kind of |
| 01:11.22 | Aribeth | too much current |
| 01:11.36 | TD-Linux | fortunatley, everything survived except the LCD |
| 01:11.59 | TD-Linux | the 7805's leads were oxidized in a way I had never seen before, however |
| 01:12.22 | TD-Linux | the time I shorted out that battery on a circuit board, it actually melted the solder on the board :( |
| 01:13.11 | TD-Linux | a 1-LB roll of low-smoke lead-free silver 0.02" solder costs $25 |
| 01:13.18 | Silent_Swan | *sigh* - suppose i should soon dig out the winter clothes that i still havn't unpacked yet... |
| 01:13.44 | TD-Linux | me too! |
| 01:13.55 | TD-Linux | it's some Hakko model, very common |
| 01:13.58 | TD-Linux | black soldering station |
| 01:14.02 | Aribeth | yep |
| 01:14.17 | TD-Linux | a knob on the front, a red led for heater, and switch on the side |
| 01:14.24 | Aribeth | i built a QRP transeiver |
| 01:14.50 | TD-Linux | I'm interested in PSK31 |
| 01:15.08 | Aribeth | im haveing trouble with my TNC |
| 01:15.21 | TD-Linux | I'll just use my sound card and make my own TNC |
| 01:15.44 | TD-Linux | I'm only a techinican |
| 01:15.48 | Aribeth | i have a Pakratt 232 |
| 01:15.52 | TD-Linux | KC0UTJ |
| 01:15.55 | Aribeth | same here |
| 01:16.00 | Aribeth | W4DFB |
| 01:16.42 | TD-Linux | I have a really fancy 100W 3-tube radio, and a spectrum analyzer, but it is only HF bands |
| 01:16.44 | Aribeth | can't get the laptop to talk to the TNC yet |
| 01:16.57 | TD-Linux | serial USB adapter? |
| 01:17.05 | Aribeth | i have a Kenwood TS-870S |
| 01:17.13 | Aribeth | serial |
| 01:17.27 | TD-Linux | with a USB adapter, or laptop's built in port? |
| 01:17.33 | TD-Linux | I g2g |
| 01:17.40 | Aribeth | laptop's built in serial |
| 01:17.44 | TD-Linux | make sure to try every com port you can |
| 01:17.52 | TD-Linux | sometimes they are really weird numbers |
| 01:17.54 | TD-Linux | like com5 |
| 01:17.59 | Aribeth | i have. prolly a cable problem |
| 01:18.30 | Silent_Swan | i hate when people do that |
| 01:19.35 | Aribeth | whats that? |
| 01:20.00 | Silent_Swan | nevermind |
| 01:20.14 | Silent_Swan | i didn't see his "g2g" message, thought he just dropped out |
| 01:20.21 | Aribeth | ohh |
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| 01:20.55 | Silent_Swan | i put shattered back up. i probably won't be paying much attention to it though... |
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| 01:21.06 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 01:21.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:22.37 | Silent_Swan | probably lack of sleep |
| 01:22.59 | brlcad | better than being even steven |
| 01:23.00 | Silent_Swan | good |
| 01:23.04 | Silent_Swan | havn't had that happen in a while |
| 01:23.19 | Silent_Swan | even steven? |
| 01:23.22 | Aribeth | i get them once in a while |
| 01:23.36 | brlcad | odd todd? |
| 01:23.46 | Silent_Swan | ahhhhh |
| 01:24.01 | Silent_Swan | hey, i'm blonde, it takes me a while sometimes |
| 01:24.10 | Silent_Swan | cheers |
| 01:24.14 | Aribeth | ummmm rum |
| 01:27.16 | Aribeth | cheers |
| 01:27.45 | Aribeth | whisky, cranberry, and coke |
| 01:27.56 | Silent_Swan | now that sounds good |
| 01:28.04 | Aribeth | it is |
| 01:28.23 | Silent_Swan | but i'm sticking with beer for the moment... |
| 01:28.35 | Silent_Swan | currently working on #3 |
| 01:28.37 | Silent_Swan | *burp* |
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| 01:35.14 | Silent_Swan | hmm.. Jeff Beck.... |
| 01:35.19 | Silent_Swan | Hi Ho Silver Lining |
| 01:37.22 | Aribeth | there ya go |
| 01:37.40 | Aribeth | old or newer jeff beck? |
| 01:37.43 | Silent_Swan | old |
| 01:37.45 | Silent_Swan | very old |
| 01:37.51 | Aribeth | good |
| 01:38.03 | Silent_Swan | though i love his work on Roger Waters' "Amused to Death" album |
| 01:38.14 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 01:38.24 | Silent_Swan | amazing guitarist |
| 01:38.29 | Aribeth | yes |
| 01:39.27 | Silent_Swan | segue to Rammstein - "Keine Lust" |
| 01:39.56 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 01:40.54 | Aribeth | i have Pink Floyd Umaguma, the GiGi cover |
| 01:41.19 | Silent_Swan | saw roger waters live on 2 occasions... rumour is he'll tour again soon |
| 01:41.22 | Aribeth | im kinda burnt out on floyd right now |
| 01:41.34 | Silent_Swan | yeah... it comes and goes |
| 01:42.06 | Silent_Swan | lately i've been into some really hard industrial/techno/metal... stuff i normally wouldn't care for |
| 01:42.07 | Aribeth | i like Medal best |
| 01:42.07 | Silent_Swan | weird |
| 01:42.16 | Silent_Swan | meddle? |
| 01:42.29 | Aribeth | ya. bad spelling |
| 01:44.52 | Aribeth | amber is laughing |
| 01:45.21 | Silent_Swan | *grin* |
| 01:45.38 | Silent_Swan | Pepper was being such a big sweetie tonight |
| 01:45.47 | Aribeth | she is spreading her wings |
| 01:45.48 | Silent_Swan | he was in cuddle mode |
| 01:45.55 | Aribeth | awww |
| 01:46.03 | Silent_Swan | most african greys don't like to be held like he does |
| 01:46.36 | Aribeth | amber loves to crawl up under my hair |
| 01:46.39 | Silent_Swan | i feel bad that i havn't been able to give him much time lately |
| 01:46.48 | Silent_Swan | max and pepper like to pull my hair |
| 01:46.50 | Silent_Swan | ow |
| 01:47.01 | Aribeth | ahh |
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| 01:47.26 | Silent_Swan | and given half a chance, pepper will sit on my head, pull my hair, then poop... |
| 01:47.30 | Silent_Swan | shower time haha |
| 01:47.44 | Aribeth | hehe, sounds like amber |
| 01:48.30 | Silent_Swan | fortunately, pepper seems to have forgotten how to say a bad word he learned... *cough* |
| 01:48.45 | Aribeth | ohh |
| 01:51.42 | Aribeth | amber says lots of things i cant understand |
| 01:52.13 | Silent_Swan | they often babble...mine do anyway |
| 01:52.48 | Aribeth | she says complete sentences, but cant tell what she is saying |
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| 02:37.36 | Silent_Swan | perhaps near....... naperville? :) |
| 02:39.51 | Silent_Swan | hope he wasn't paranoid or anything ... |
| 02:40.04 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:40.19 | Silent_Swan | his source address was a giveaway... since i have the same ISP |
| 02:40.32 | Silent_Swan | ah well, back to my salad... |
| 02:40.48 | JeffM2501 | that is why cloaks are cool :) |
| 02:41.01 | Silent_Swan | is there a way to do that on freenode? |
| 02:41.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:41.16 | JeffM2501 | easyest is to donte |
| 02:41.17 | Silent_Swan | how? |
| 02:41.18 | Silent_Swan | oh |
| 02:41.19 | JeffM2501 | there are others |
| 02:41.37 | JeffM2501 | check the site |
| 02:41.42 | JeffM2501 | there are more ways |
| 02:41.48 | Silent_Swan | i'll have a look in a bit.. thanks for the info |
| 02:41.59 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 02:42.09 | Silent_Swan | mom told me not to type with my mouth full... |
| 02:42.11 | Silent_Swan | brb :) |
| 02:42.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 02:50.18 | Silent_Swan | ok, back to the loud angry music |
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| 03:13.49 | sgk284 | trepan ping |
| 03:25.38 | bryjen | Don't Look Ethel! |
| 03:25.45 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 03:25.59 | Silent_Swan | figured either that would wake people or scare them off |
| 03:26.19 | bryjen | naked text isn't too scary :) |
| 03:27.27 | Silent_Swan | it's best to leave some things to the imagination anyway |
| 03:29.14 | sgk284 | oh god... my eyes |
| 03:30.27 | Silent_Swan | *g* |
| 03:30.43 | Silent_Swan | hey! i'm not *that* bad :) |
| 03:30.52 | Silent_Swan | maybe |
| 03:34.35 | BenUrban | oh dear god, what channel is this? |
| 03:35.21 | Silent_Swan | i've NEVER seen a naked swan |
| 03:35.31 | Silent_Swan | i've seen only feathered ones |
| 03:35.37 | BenUrban | i suppose it depends on your definition of naked |
| 03:35.43 | brlcad | them's good eatin' |
| 03:35.47 | BenUrban | lol |
| 03:35.50 | Silent_Swan | hah |
| 03:36.01 | Silent_Swan | hint: try me with ketchup |
| 03:36.44 | BenUrban | oh wait that's not ketchup! |
| 03:37.17 | BenUrban | lol |
| 03:37.21 | BenUrban | lag |
| 03:37.23 | DTRemenak | mmm, wingtips |
| 03:37.34 | sgk284 | hey DTRemenak |
| 03:37.39 | DTRemenak | hey sgk284 |
| 03:39.30 | brlcad | mm.. wings |
| 03:39.36 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:39.36 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 03:39.39 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 82°F. |
| 03:39.45 | SportChick | this is ridiculous |
| 03:39.52 | Silent_Swan | i'll trade you |
| 03:40.02 | sgk284 | what is? |
| 03:40.06 | sgk284 | 82 is nice :) |
| 03:40.08 | SportChick | 82 at the BEACh at 8:40 at night (the sun's been down for two hours) |
| 03:40.10 | Silent_Swan | .wz |
| 03:40.14 | Silent_Swan | !weather 60515 |
| 03:40.17 | TheLastSpartan | Silent_Swan: The current temperature in Downers Grove, Illinois (60515) is 33°F. |
| 03:40.21 | BenUrban | lol |
| 03:40.21 | SportChick | sgk, we usually have a DAYTIME high of around 75 |
| 03:40.22 | Silent_Swan | no it isn't |
| 03:40.27 | sgk284 | !weather 19152 |
| 03:40.30 | TheLastSpartan | sgk284: The current temperature in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (19152) is 57°F. |
| 03:40.31 | SportChick | SS hehe |
| 03:40.38 | BenUrban | !weather 20901 |
| 03:40.40 | Silent_Swan | that thing doesn't like my town |
| 03:40.41 | TheLastSpartan | BenUrban: The current temperature in Silver Spring, Maryland (20901) is 55°F. |
| 03:40.44 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:40.46 | Silent_Swan | !weather 60126 |
| 03:40.49 | TheLastSpartan | Silent_Swan: The current temperature in Elmhurst, Illinois (60126) is 48°F. |
| 03:40.55 | sgk284 | chilly |
| 03:40.55 | BenUrban | sgk284: let's meet in the middle |
| 03:40.57 | Silent_Swan | that's more believable, i guess |
| 03:40.59 | sgk284 | heh okay |
| 03:41.23 | BenUrban | err |
| 03:41.23 | BenUrban | up |
| 03:41.25 | BenUrban | lol |
| 03:42.06 | BenUrban | actually the temp in my room right now is probably in the upper 70s |
| 03:42.22 | BenUrban | wait no that came out wrong |
| 03:47.40 | jpa- | moooorning |
| 03:47.42 | jpa- | sgk284!! |
| 03:49.56 | Aribeth | BenUrban, its 88 in my room |
| 03:50.55 | sgk284 | hey jpa- |
| 03:50.56 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:51.05 | sgk284 | its way too early for you to be awake |
| 03:51.17 | jpa- | no,it is the same time as yesterday |
| 03:51.21 | sgk284 | i know |
| 03:51.28 | sgk284 | its still too early |
| 03:51.29 | sgk284 | :) |
| 03:51.41 | jpa- | and this is quite late, last year i had to ware 20min earlier |
| 03:51.46 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:51.49 | jpa- | *k |
| 03:52.42 | SportChick | ~weather KMDW |
| 03:53.03 | SportChick | Silent_Swan: is that better?> |
| 03:53.08 | SportChick | It's only 19 miles away |
| 03:53.10 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 03:53.13 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 57°F. |
| 03:53.29 | trepan | sgk284: pong |
| 03:53.30 | Silent_Swan | sounds about right |
| 03:54.04 | sgk284 | hey, just wondering what you thought about this idea... it was inspired kind of by coutnerstrike: |
| 03:54.20 | Silent_Swan | was just outside and it's quite chilly :( i'm going to have to dig out my socks |
| 03:54.26 | Silent_Swan | the fuzzy ones |
| 03:54.29 | SportChick | Silent_Swan: send some of that out here |
| 03:54.33 | SportChick | it's too hot to sleep |
| 03:54.37 | Silent_Swan | like i said, i'll trade you |
| 03:54.37 | SportChick | I feel like I'm back in india |
| 03:54.46 | sgk284 | when you get killed the tank still explodes, but the camera quickly travels a path back to the shooter, so you see your tank exploding from where the tank that killed you shot you from |
| 03:54.47 | Silent_Swan | you're from india? |
| 03:54.49 | sgk284 | if that makes sense |
| 03:54.50 | SportChick | no |
| 03:55.04 | Aribeth | its 57 outside, but 88 inside here at my computer |
| 03:55.17 | Silent_Swan | i know you're not indian, i've seen your picture :) |
| 03:55.20 | SportChick | Silent_Swan: http://www.kirkanddonna.com/rtw/India.htm |
| 03:55.27 | Silent_Swan | 88 ? i'd be dying in that heat |
| 03:55.30 | sgk284 | like as the camera is moving to the attackers position, it stays focused on your tank exploding, the whole thing would happen over a few seconds |
| 03:55.39 | SportChick | Silent_Swan: exactly. and we don't HAVE a/c out here |
| 03:55.45 | SportChick | it's not SUPPOSED to be this hot |
| 03:55.47 | Silent_Swan | ouch |
| 03:56.08 | Silent_Swan | oh good lord... remind me to NEVER go to india |
| 03:56.12 | sgk284 | i was taking a look at the tank being killed code, but i've never modified the camera's position before, not sure how bzflag handles it |
| 03:56.18 | Aribeth | SportChick, whats the temp there? |
| 03:56.56 | trepan | sgk284: death camera was added and removed a few months ago, but if it was done well... |
| 03:57.22 | sgk284 | i never saw it in action, what was wrong with it? |
| 03:57.24 | SportChick | Aribeth: it was 82 20 minutes ago |
| 03:57.30 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:57.39 | SportChick | and no breeze |
| 03:57.41 | trepan | folks felt ill, iirc |
| 03:57.48 | SportChick | and I think jeffm3501 is on fire |
| 03:57.48 | sgk284 | ahh okay |
| 03:57.59 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:58.00 | SportChick | s/jeffm3401/jeffm2501 |
| 03:58.01 | jpa- | sgk284: it got annoying when i saw it too often (i die too often..) |
| 03:58.07 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:58.22 | SportChick | gah! I can't type tonight |
| 03:58.31 | Silent_Swan | SportChick some beautiful things there, but that first picture was enough reason to only admire it from a distance :) |
| 03:58.50 | sgk284 | okay then maybe the camera should just rotate around your exploding tank so that you still see the exploding tank right there but its pointing in the direction of the tank that shot you |
| 03:59.04 | SportChick | Silent_Swan: well....we were on a BUDGET trip (it was only five weeks of a year-long trip), so we were on the cheap. That hotel room cost us US$1. |
| 03:59.15 | Silent_Swan | wow |
| 03:59.18 | sgk284 | i kept getting shot with GM's and lasers and stuff tonight and thought itd be nice to see where they were coming from sometimes |
| 03:59.26 | sgk284 | radar doesn't label players:) |
| 03:59.50 | sgk284 | but if i'm the minority, i'll just drop my justification :) |
| 03:59.54 | SportChick | Silent_Swan: did I see you revived your server? |
| 04:00.01 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 04:00.07 | SportChick | cool - mad city? |
| 04:00.19 | sgk284 | SportChick, where did you find a $1 hotel? |
| 04:00.25 | SportChick | sgk284: in INdia |
| 04:00.32 | Silent_Swan | same as before |
| 04:00.38 | jpa- | bzflag has quite cool radar, normal ones don't identify colors :P |
| 04:00.39 | sgk284 | nice |
| 04:00.40 | SportChick | Silent_Swan: wanna go get shot? :) |
| 04:01.03 | Silent_Swan | hmm... |
| 04:01.10 | Silent_Swan | 'tis kind of late |
| 04:01.19 | SportChick | you're HERE! |
| 04:01.21 | Silent_Swan | but sure, for a little bit i guess |
| 04:01.53 | Silent_Swan | oh sure :) |
| 04:04.14 | JeffM2501 | not on fire yet |
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| 04:09.06 | trepan | JeffM2501: doing an rc6? |
| 04:09.17 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 04:09.28 | JeffM2501 | we'll just ship the sucker tomorow |
| 04:12.15 | Silent_Swan | woohoo! |
| 04:13.17 | jpa- | is "Sucker" the release name? |
| 04:19.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 04:20.06 | JeffM2501 | shold call it "return of the seagull" |
| 04:23.02 | Silent_Swan | bye |
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| 04:35.53 | DTRemenak | ship it! |
| 04:37.45 | JeffM2501 | will ship tomorow |
| 04:37.49 | trepan | DTRemenak: the dlist fix worked for ya then? ;) |
| 04:37.50 | JeffM2501 | playing eq2 now |
| 04:38.04 | DTRemenak | trepan: I can't dupe the problem, if that's what you mean |
| 04:38.15 | DTRemenak | seemed to be random before though |
| 04:39.00 | trepan | good enough for me |
| 04:44.09 | DTRemenak | yup, I'd say it works. ship it! |
| 04:52.18 | trepan | heh, i broke something |
| 04:58.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/ (MeshRenderNode.cxx MeshRenderNode.h MeshSceneNode.cxx): use a pointer to the dynamic dlist data |
| 05:01.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/MeshRenderNode.h: no real reason |
| 05:21.11 | bryjen | a-yup. the commit comment would make for an interesting ChangeLog |
| 05:21.59 | bryjen | comments even. there are several. |
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| 06:20.02 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 06:20.05 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 73°F. |
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| 06:24.26 | SportChick | Aribeth: ping |
| 06:24.35 | SportChick | Aribeth: if you're here, come to SS's server |
| 06:24.55 | Aribeth | im there |
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| 07:08.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (9 files in 4 dirs): |
| 07:08.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - use UDP for MsgGameTime |
| 07:08.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - lag compensate the outgoing MsgGameTime packets |
| 07:08.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - send MsgGameTime on per-player schedules (faster at first to increase |
| 07:08.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the chance of at least one UDP packet making it). this also results in |
| 07:08.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: staggered packet delivery, which is probably a good thing. |
| 07:12.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/GameTime.cxx: consistency |
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| 07:44.51 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 07:44.54 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 71°F. |
| 07:59.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: "joining as an obsrver" |
| 08:12.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: save a few bytes |
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| 08:37.15 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 08:37.19 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 71°F. |
| 08:50.09 | Pimpinella | trepan: what is GameTime for? |
| 08:58.15 | trepan | clients see the same time, used the dynamic color, texture matrix, animated meshes |
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| 13:15.34 | menotume | trepan: please set the time on your LCD clock :) |
| 13:16.02 | jpa- | sgk284 <3 |
| 13:23.33 | ruskie | :) |
| 13:23.41 | menotume | menotume: please update your client |
| 13:24.02 | jpa- | wow, that is cool |
| 13:24.10 | jpa- | now we can make nice traffic lights :) |
| 13:25.06 | Grumbler | and with a plugin you could make them real-time admin control |
| 13:25.37 | jpa- | who wants to control traffic lights? :) |
| 13:26.03 | menotume | can we have a world weapon that kills if you go thru a red light ? |
| 13:26.32 | trepan | jpa-: "nolighting" is actually handy for emissive dynamic colors (ie: crappy lights) |
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| 13:26.47 | trepan | world weapon are not on GameTime... |
| 13:26.53 | trepan | could be rigged fairly easily |
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| 13:26.58 | menotume | hehe |
| 13:27.13 | menotume | i could imagine an 'admin' having fun with that |
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| 13:27.55 | menotume | chang traffic light to red. If players don't stop, they gat zapped |
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| 13:33.03 | ruskie | menotume, hmmm sounds like a nice fun way to play... |
| 13:33.10 | ruskie | should breed a ton of game modes :) |
| 13:34.36 | Tupone | if we delay enough the release, we could make a Xmas-tree bzfs server |
| 14:05.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs): matswap |
| 14:21.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/ObstacleModifier.cxx: matswap II |
| 14:26.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CustomGroup.cxx: matswap III, redundancy strikes back |
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| 14:55.19 | Grumbler | !weather 21401 |
| 14:55.23 | TheLastSpartan | Grumbler: The current temperature in Annapolis, Maryland (21401) is 61°F. |
| 14:56.39 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 14:56.42 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 67°F. |
| 14:59.00 | bryjen | !weather 42301 |
| 14:59.02 | TheLastSpartan | bryjen: The current temperature in Owensboro, Kentucky (42301) is 57°F. |
| 14:59.37 | Grumbler | fall is here |
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| 15:46.02 | trepan | i thought that that was removed a while ago |
| 15:46.12 | Grumbler | no i found it again |
| 15:46.21 | Grumbler | CmdLineOptions.cxx |
| 15:46.30 | Grumbler | if (options.flagsOnBuildings && !(options.gameStyle & JumpingGameStyle)) |
| 15:46.38 | trepan | how about a warning instead? |
| 15:46.54 | Grumbler | how about just ripping it out..... |
| 15:47.01 | trepan | ... and i remember Tupone doing something differently with the flags in that case |
| 15:47.11 | trepan | he only wanted the team flags on buildings or some such thing |
| 15:47.27 | JeffM2501 | so we releasing this sucker or what? |
| 15:47.36 | CBG | Yes!! Please!! :) |
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| 15:47.57 | Grumbler | well, do we have an rc6.......just because of the recent changes within the day |
| 15:47.58 | JeffM2501 | I think that is a sign |
| 15:48.08 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, no, we arn't doing one |
| 15:48.12 | CBG | lol JeffM2501 |
| 15:48.25 | JeffM2501 | let me make sure we build and I say do it |
| 15:48.46 | JeffM2501 | anyone have any outstandings? |
| 15:49.08 | CBG | What? In this weather? |
| 15:49.30 | JeffM2501 | !weather 93021 |
| 15:49.30 | CBG | I'de get soaked if I stood out... :P |
| 15:49.34 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California (93021) is 40°F. |
| 15:49.40 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 15:49.43 | trepan | nope, i was pleased enough to slide the 'matswap' change under the wire |
| 15:49.45 | JeffM2501 | gonna have to call BS on that one |
| 15:49.56 | JeffM2501 | it's not 40 |
| 15:50.22 | CBG | Its WET here. :( |
| 15:50.33 | JeffM2501 | well duhh it's UK |
| 15:50.37 | JeffM2501 | that's what you all DO over ther |
| 15:51.05 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 15:51.07 | JeffM2501 | wtf is this? |
| 15:51.08 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.08 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.08 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.08 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.14 | JeffM2501 | you can't do that |
| 15:51.24 | JeffM2501 | fakeSize isn't a constant |
| 15:51.28 | JeffM2501 | how can that compile |
| 15:51.52 | CBG | it's called http://pastebin.ca ;) |
| 15:52.00 | CBG | And ti does not only rain here. |
| 15:52.04 | CBG | We saw the sun this year. :D |
| 15:52.05 | JeffM2501 | this is a dev channel |
| 15:52.07 | trepan | fakeString != fakeSize? |
| 15:52.11 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: you'll enjoy http://www.thedailywtf.com/ :) |
| 15:52.19 | JeffM2501 | const unsigned int fakeSize |
| 15:52.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not set at compile time, you can't use that in a static array |
| 15:52.55 | trepan | ah, gcc extension |
| 15:53.02 | JeffM2501 | I'll change it to a malloc |
| 15:53.51 | trepan | no, a new[fakeSize] |
| 15:55.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/ObstacleMgr.cxx: lose the gcc extension |
| 15:56.43 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 15:56.45 | JeffM2501 | same thing |
| 15:57.38 | JeffM2501 | rebuilding |
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| 15:59.10 | trepan | were we using -ansi at one time? |
| 15:59.11 | JeffM2501 | there was a report that old clients crashed on new servers, what the debunked |
| 15:59.39 | trepan | JeffM2501: by Aribeth, from running out of memory? |
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| 16:00.01 | JeffM2501 | no, buy someone else, not on a phat map |
| 16:00.15 | trepan | have anything more to go on? |
| 16:00.36 | JeffM2501 | no I just heard about it |
| 16:00.43 | JeffM2501 | brb and we'll start taging |
| 16:02.24 | Mr_Molez | anyone know who runs the knjiga.ffos.hr server ? |
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| 16:07.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: no more of this RC stuff |
| 16:07.45 | JeffM2501 | anyone got anything else? |
| 16:07.52 | JeffM2501 | speak now etc...... |
| 16:08.23 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, you cool? |
| 16:08.57 | brad2901 | is bzadmin curses working now? :P |
| 16:09.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:09.03 | brad2901 | cool |
| 16:09.04 | JeffM2501 | it was just a #def |
| 16:09.14 | JeffM2501 | it was allways building with it, just not using it |
| 16:09.19 | brad2901 | ah. |
| 16:09.48 | CBG | multi hunt? |
| 16:10.03 | JeffM2501 | that was readded as a feature earlyer this week |
| 16:10.50 | CBG | good :) |
| 16:10.57 | JeffM2501 | what are we gonna call it? |
| 16:11.05 | CBG | multi hunt? |
| 16:11.32 | JeffM2501 | no, the release |
| 16:11.46 | JeffM2501 | multihunt is so monday |
| 16:11.49 | JeffM2501 | keep up ;) |
| 16:13.00 | CBG | lol... |
| 16:13.11 | Birdie | release is for monday? |
| 16:13.14 | CBG | we were talking about multy hunt, and you asked what to call it. |
| 16:13.20 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, mondy? |
| 16:13.22 | JeffM2501 | no now |
| 16:13.27 | Birdie | oh |
| 16:13.34 | Birdie | a great start to the weekend;) |
| 16:13.44 | ToughShooter | Some stuff isn't shown when radar style is not fast |
| 16:13.46 | CBG | multihunt wass done on monday, and 2.0.4 is to be released now |
| 16:13.48 | Pimpinella | ~x en de firefly |
| 16:13.50 | JeffM2501 | multihunt is so very this monday |
| 16:13.51 | CBG | and jeff wants a name for the release |
| 16:13.53 | CBG | correct? |
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| 16:14.26 | ToughShooter | some of the recent graphics changes, dunno whether it is supposed to stay like that |
| 16:14.31 | Pimpinella | we're searching for a name |
| 16:14.51 | trepan | ToughShooter: normal radar could _not_ draw that stuff |
| 16:16.05 | trepan | too many triangles to send out in direct mode, old radar should die |
| 16:16.59 | ToughShooter | the problem with fast is that I don't see the overlappings of buildings in basic maps... |
| 16:17.02 | JeffM2501 | use fast radar |
| 16:17.17 | JeffM2501 | then help us write a better normal radar in 2.1.x |
| 16:17.25 | JeffM2501 | we can't fix all possible problems in one release |
| 16:17.29 | JeffM2501 | it HAS to get out there |
| 16:17.50 | trepan | ToughShooter: edit radar.png to you liking |
| 16:17.53 | ToughShooter | I wasn't arguing about it, just wondering whether it was indented to stay so |
| 16:18.03 | CBG | so, fast radar shows stuff that enhanced does not? |
| 16:18.12 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 16:19.21 | Pimpinella | it's not used in any current map though |
| 16:19.41 | Pimpinella | except trepan's demos of course |
| 16:20.36 | JeffM2501 | none of this has to do with releasing tho :) |
| 16:20.51 | Pimpinella | radar is expensive and fast is faster |
| 16:21.20 | JeffM2501 | the most accruate radar woudl draw the entire world AGAIN |
| 16:21.24 | JeffM2501 | that would be slow |
| 16:21.35 | JeffM2501 | so it has to have some shortcuts to be fast |
| 16:21.54 | trepan | the real issue is how the translucency is computed |
| 16:22.09 | trepan | re-drawing the real world is not what's wanted |
| 16:22.20 | CBG | but I guesssed enhanced is not as fast as fast because it draws more detail, or something.... |
| 16:23.00 | Thumper_ | "Sparkley" > |
| 16:23.11 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, no it has to be 'shiny' |
| 16:23.14 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 16:23.19 | trepan | CBG: no, they're different rendering techniques, enhanced uses the older direct mode |
| 16:23.28 | trepan | as well, enhanced doesn't do any culling |
| 16:23.34 | CBG | so slower AND less detail? |
| 16:23.38 | JeffM2501 | ether that or "no power in the 'verse can stop me" |
| 16:23.39 | Thumper_ | why shiny ? |
| 16:23.41 | trepan | (except for face up/down orientation) |
| 16:23.45 | CBG | then why the heck is it called "ENHANCED" ? |
| 16:24.06 | Thumper_ | I can see invisible stuff in enhanced... not fast |
| 16:24.08 | trepan | it was called enhanced compared to normal |
| 16:24.50 | CBG | but compared to fast it is "crappy" ? |
| 16:24.53 | JeffM2501 | just like "experiemntal" isn't realy an experemnt anymore :) |
| 16:25.11 | JeffM2501 | fast can be better then enhanced |
| 16:25.23 | JeffM2501 | it's faster AND better |
| 16:25.31 | CBG | "can be"? not always? |
| 16:25.39 | JeffM2501 | well in this case it IS |
| 16:25.46 | JeffM2501 | still fits the 'can be' part |
| 16:25.46 | trepan | fast's coloring also shows you your max jump height |
| 16:25.47 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 16:25.53 | trepan | and better discrimintes up from down |
| 16:26.05 | trepan | and, is configurable by editing a simple png file |
| 16:26.08 | CBG | is there anytime "enhanced" it better? |
| 16:26.13 | JeffM2501 | in 2.1.x you can rename fast normal, change normal to "crap" and enahcned to "sucky" |
| 16:26.51 | JeffM2501 | CBG, probably depends on what style you are used to |
| 16:27.02 | Thumper_ | "Gleaming" "Polished" "Glossy" |
| 16:27.02 | CBG | enhanced. |
| 16:27.02 | JeffM2501 | old school players probaly still like normal |
| 16:27.17 | CBG | I always used what I thought was best. :P |
| 16:27.24 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, you don't know the quote, so don't try to mess it up |
| 16:27.29 | JeffM2501 | 'shiny' has specific meaning |
| 16:27.37 | JeffM2501 | specialy for today |
| 16:27.38 | bryjen | ~spell shiny |
| 16:27.43 | JeffM2501 | yes I looked it up |
| 16:27.44 | Thumper_ | that would be correct :) |
| 16:27.45 | JeffM2501 | it's right :) |
| 16:27.49 | bryjen | ~spell shiney |
| 16:27.52 | Thumper_ | but messing things up... that I can do! |
| 16:27.59 | JeffM2501 | see :) |
| 16:28.33 | JeffM2501 | well I'll tag in 15 min |
| 16:28.34 | bryjen | "Some people juggle geese!" |
| 16:28.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:28.45 | trepan | JeffM2501: is it because of the GL_SEPARATE_SPECULAR_COLOR change? |
| 16:28.51 | trepan | ;) |
| 16:28.54 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:29.06 | bryjen | but i just saw that episode the other day |
| 16:29.06 | JeffM2501 | 'shiny' in this context means "good" |
| 16:29.33 | JeffM2501 | we go at 2:00 today |
| 16:29.44 | trepan | "shiny happy people", now i've got that stuck in my head, thx |
| 16:29.50 | JeffM2501 | holding hands |
| 16:30.05 | trepan | bastage |
| 16:30.13 | JeffM2501 | I live to serve :) |
| 16:30.38 | trepan | successful build on learner's freebsd box |
| 16:30.52 | JeffM2501 | "didn't she shoot you"? |
| 16:30.55 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:34.21 | Pimpinella | "God does not play dice." |
| 16:34.26 | Pimpinella | eINSTEIN QUOTE |
| 16:34.38 | Pimpinella | tolower() |
| 16:35.41 | trepan | and yet quantum mechanics lives on |
| 16:35.55 | Grumbler | fyi, i did see a bunch of clients die on loumans site.....no explaination |
| 16:36.06 | trepan | which site? |
| 16:36.12 | Grumbler | laser world |
| 16:36.28 | Grumbler | i didnt die, but nearly half the group dropped off at the same time |
| 16:36.28 | trepan | die or crash? |
| 16:36.45 | Pimpinella | have seen such on gu too once |
| 16:36.46 | trepan | ah, when was that? |
| 16:36.50 | Grumbler | not sure, on guy came back and said that his client locked up |
| 16:36.58 | Grumbler | last night |
| 16:38.45 | trepan | i've got 10 hours with of recording... prolly doesn't have it |
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| 16:39.31 | Grumbler | nah, not 10......i probably should have come in here and mentiioned it then.... |
| 16:40.00 | JeffM2501 | trepan, are you capable of doing a source tarball? |
| 16:40.03 | Grumbler | the lagstats sorting is still borked......which is a little disconcerting |
| 16:40.12 | Grumbler | but not major |
| 16:40.23 | JeffM2501 | when somone fixes it we can update the bin |
| 16:40.53 | JeffM2501 | hmmm... we could name it "a seried of unfortonate events" |
| 16:41.32 | trepan | JeffM2501: know the command[s]? |
| 16:41.48 | JeffM2501 | make distclean or something like that |
| 16:41.52 | trepan | make dist-zip or some such thing? |
| 16:42.02 | JeffM2501 | something |
| 16:42.15 | DTRemenak | make distclean first. on more than one platform preferably. |
| 16:42.15 | Pimpinella | i'd vote for "dirty deeds - done dirt cheap" then |
| 16:42.23 | JeffM2501 | tho knowing how it's set, it will have problems and have to be redone a couple hundrred times becore it's made right |
| 16:42.39 | DTRemenak | yup, it will probably fail |
| 16:42.46 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you ready? |
| 16:42.58 | DTRemenak | I am. Running build tests now. |
| 16:43.03 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:43.12 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, name sugjestions? |
| 16:43.28 | trepan | a plain make-zip sans distclean worked |
| 16:43.39 | DTRemenak | trepan: yeah, but it does no checks |
| 16:43.50 | DTRemenak | e.g. the zip might not work :) |
| 16:44.11 | JeffM2501 | I have a comit and tag ready that bumps versions and stuff |
| 16:44.22 | trepan | ah, so you want me to build from it too? |
| 16:44.50 | Aribeth | call it "the curse of the were-tank" :) |
| 16:44.50 | DTRemenak | make distclean also checks for orphaned files and stuff |
| 16:45.03 | Pimpinella | distclean did fine for me |
| 16:45.18 | DTRemenak | then we may have managed not to break it this time...at least on linux :) |
| 16:45.20 | trepan | there's a distcheck too |
| 16:45.56 | DTRemenak | hm. does distclean call distcheck? |
| 16:46.11 | Pimpinella | how about compiler flags, how are they set correctly for release? |
| 16:46.16 | Silent_Swan | hmm... poking through the docs on the proposed Karma system.... i have a feeling that will cause a lot of grief... |
| 16:46.50 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, you and I both |
| 16:46.55 | trepan | ouch, apparently distcheck does a full rebuild |
| 16:47.06 | DTRemenak | yeah. it is time-intensive. |
| 16:47.07 | JeffM2501 | there is a trust system for it, but I fear that it can be abbused |
| 16:47.08 | Silent_Swan | it has its good points, but... |
| 16:47.13 | Silent_Swan | exactly |
| 16:47.30 | JeffM2501 | time would be better spent on other cheat protections |
| 16:47.33 | JeffM2501 | better ones |
| 16:47.48 | trepan | ex: gutting the networking and physics |
| 16:47.51 | Silent_Swan | indeed...besides, nothing beats /ban when it comes down to it |
| 16:48.31 | JeffM2501 | gutting lots of things :) |
| 16:50.06 | DTRemenak | libtool: link: cannot build libtool library `libcares.la' from non-libtool objects on this host: windows_port.o |
| 16:51.43 | trepan | DTRemenak: from the description, distcheck seems to be what you want |
| 16:52.35 | trepan | (desc. in Makefile) |
| 16:56.24 | JeffM2501 | it need a fix? |
| 16:56.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/Makefile.am: actually build windows_port.c. has ifdef protection for non-windows platforms so it's safe. |
| 16:57.25 | JeffM2501 | anything else? |
| 16:58.23 | DTRemenak | how the hell should I know if it's going to fail? that's why I'm running the TEST :) |
| 16:58.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:59.46 | DTRemenak | haven't even started the solaris build yet |
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| 17:01.06 | trepan | got a shadow warning in AccessListControl.cxx (distcheck'ing, no --enable-debug with -Werror), and then accidentally killed it |
| 17:01.20 | trepan | i'll want to rebuild with --enable-debug after to make sure it's cool |
| 17:02.54 | Grumbler | thats the same warning that as existed for months and months |
| 17:03.28 | Grumbler | i was told to remove shadowchecking for that file |
| 17:06.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/Makefile.am: actually build windows_port.c. has ifdef protection for non-windows platforms so it's safe. don't try to link in the non-libtool object if it exists, either. |
| 17:07.24 | *** part/#bzflag gsnedders (n=gsnedder@host86-137-238-58.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:07.58 | JeffM2501 | finger over the button |
| 17:08.04 | JeffM2501 | must... not ... push |
| 17:08.19 | JeffM2501 | shiny... candy-like... red... button...... |
| 17:08.25 | Grumbler | "ludicurous speed" |
| 17:09.06 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: my set of tests is gonna take a while. go get a cup of coffee :) |
| 17:09.14 | CBG | oops :x |
| 17:09.23 | bryjen | shifted past red, straight to plaid |
| 17:09.56 | JeffM2501 | coffie is evil |
| 17:10.11 | DTRemenak | and so are you. good pairing, dontcha think? ;) |
| 17:10.13 | JeffM2501 | and thankflully tort makes it easy to just leav the commit and tag dialogs up there :) |
| 17:10.31 | JeffM2501 | better get it done before 12 |
| 17:10.35 | Grumbler | apple tort or blueberry tort |
| 17:10.39 | JeffM2501 | that's when I'm going to sit in line |
| 17:10.53 | Grumbler | Serenity after insanity |
| 17:11.27 | Grumbler | ....although the "violence" movie should be better |
| 17:13.33 | Sporticus | Yeah! Serenity! |
| 17:13.41 | DTRemenak | I love the way it actually installs SAMPLE_PLUGIN too :) |
| 17:14.57 | DTRemenak | one test passed, four to go |
| 17:15.03 | Sporticus | Should be a good movie. Anyone seen it yet? Is it out already? |
| 17:15.31 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so far I'm just naming the release "shiny" :) |
| 17:18.09 | JeffM2501 | ether that or "underpant of doom" |
| 17:19.10 | ToughShooter | Is the selfkill bug at map edges fixed? |
| 17:20.07 | ToughShooter | when being on a higher level than wall and shooting orthogonal to outside of map, driving to the outside I got selfkills a while ago |
| 17:21.17 | ToughShooter | Hmm, it is not fixed :( |
| 17:21.24 | JeffM2501 | how do you drive outside the walls? |
| 17:21.39 | ToughShooter | Can you drive with me at secretplace? |
| 17:21.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:22.07 | JeffM2501 | but we can't fix all the bugs in one release |
| 17:22.15 | JeffM2501 | how long has it been in there for? |
| 17:22.22 | trepan | from distcheck on the freebsd: ERROR: files left after uninstall |
| 17:22.33 | trepan | (and then a list of plugin .so's) |
| 17:22.56 | ToughShooter | Since the bullets end at map borders |
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| 17:24.03 | JeffM2501 | don't hump the walls :) |
| 17:24.52 | ToughShooter | The bug can be triggered at secretplace when jumping on one of the corner buildings, driving to outside when being on the platform and keeping to shoot |
| 17:25.09 | JeffM2501 | sounds rare |
| 17:25.24 | JeffM2501 | did you report it on bb or SF? |
| 17:25.39 | ToughShooter | No :( |
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| 17:25.49 | JeffM2501 | best to do that |
| 17:26.13 | JeffM2501 | still dosn't sound like a show stopper |
| 17:26.24 | ToughShooter | I thought it would be fixed in a while. Unluckily I forgot to post it then. Isn't a big problem however |
| 17:26.29 | trepan | ... ran out of space on here (linux) ;) |
| 17:27.25 | SportChick | question: how quick a 'fix" would it be to add the option to have server messages "beep" or make some other noise (as if it were admin or team channels) |
| 17:30.05 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, not hard, but it's so minor somone could put it into a post 2.0.4 mini version for you |
| 17:30.38 | JeffM2501 | we are past the point of squesing stuff in |
| 17:30.47 | Grumbler | Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting |
| 17:31.42 | Silent_Swan | SportChick the client does this already...??? |
| 17:31.57 | Grumbler | no, not for server messages |
| 17:32.08 | Silent_Swan | ohhh |
| 17:32.10 | Silent_Swan | good point |
| 17:32.21 | Silent_Swan | i'd like to do something similar for bzadmin |
| 17:33.19 | JeffM2501 | sound in bzadmin may not be as easy |
| 17:33.24 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 17:33.30 | Chestal | the radar and control anel borders are not dimmed when I switch to menu |
| 17:33.31 | Grumbler | you could do bell |
| 17:33.41 | Silent_Swan | perhaps as an option to call an external sound-player of some sort |
| 17:34.07 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways it can be done |
| 17:34.12 | JeffM2501 | it' jsut not as easy as in the client |
| 17:34.17 | Silent_Swan | indeed... i may hack mine just for the heck of it |
| 17:34.18 | SportChick | JeffM2501: yeah, I figured it was past time to get something in this release |
| 17:34.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: curses has beep() |
| 17:34.57 | trepan | Chestal: dimming should be rewritten to just draw a single quad before the Menu |
| 17:35.00 | SportChick | JeffM2501: but it's been on my mind and isn't a bug fix or anything like that, so I didn't push for it earlier. |
| 17:35.11 | Silent_Swan | there is beep() but Silent_Swan always has to take it one step further :) |
| 17:35.20 | SportChick | anyone feel like doing a mini-version for me? I'll be happy to be your tester! :) |
| 17:35.42 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, after the release |
| 17:35.47 | SportChick | JeffM2501: perfect |
| 17:36.05 | SportChick | YAY! Hubby's plane touches down in 15 - gotta head to the airport. |
| 17:36.06 | SportChick | cya all |
| 17:38.29 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:38.45 | JeffM2501 | it calls the OS's ExecShell open |
| 17:39.33 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, what OS are you on? |
| 17:39.38 | Grumbler | xp pro |
| 17:39.41 | JeffM2501 | and what browser do you use? |
| 17:39.47 | Grumbler | firefox |
| 17:40.01 | JeffM2501 | do you perhaps have a firefox window opne now somewhere? |
| 17:40.02 | Grumbler | if thats what it is doing, it might be me |
| 17:40.06 | JeffM2501 | in the backgroud? |
| 17:40.08 | JeffM2501 | or minimised? |
| 17:40.22 | JeffM2501 | firfox dosn't open a new window by default :) |
| 17:40.35 | JeffM2501 | so it'll put it in the last used open FF window |
| 17:40.36 | Grumbler | i have a similar problem clicking on links in thunderbird and opening a window |
| 17:40.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah then it's you |
| 17:40.54 | JeffM2501 | we just ask the OS to open an HTML file |
| 17:41.01 | JeffM2501 | since that's what the readme is |
| 17:41.14 | JeffM2501 | it worked for me, but it it in the current open browser |
| 17:41.58 | Grumbler | ok, it just me......please continue |
| 17:42.42 | menotume | Has any1 besides me tested the multi-hunt ? |
| 17:42.47 | JeffM2501 | I'm waiting on the DTR |
| 17:44.21 | DTRemenak | two down, three to go |
| 17:44.31 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:45.19 | ToughShooter | menotume: I had used it a bit and found no probs but I wasn't searching for errors, either |
| 17:45.20 | Grumbler | ok, i proved it....its my virus protection software blocking that call. |
| 17:45.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:45.36 | menotume | ok, i gave it a pretty good test |
| 17:55.19 | ruskie | gaaahhh what an incompetant team... :( |
| 17:55.52 | Pimpinella | debian build 100% clean |
| 17:56.22 | trepan | Pimpinella: distcheck, or something similar? |
| 17:56.35 | trepan | or a plain build (possibly with install) |
| 17:57.07 | DTRemenak | three down, two to go |
| 17:57.22 | DTRemenak | four down, one to go |
| 17:57.25 | Pimpinella | plain with install |
| 17:57.27 | JeffM2501 | that was fast :) |
| 17:57.46 | DTRemenak | yeah, solaris and mingw finished almost simultaneously |
| 17:58.03 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:58.11 | JeffM2501 | what's left? |
| 17:58.21 | JeffM2501 | I did windows this AM |
| 17:58.23 | JeffM2501 | it's cool |
| 17:58.27 | JeffM2501 | after the fix |
| 17:58.47 | DTRemenak | which means that gcc on solaris on a UltraSparcII at 400mhz is as fast as gcc on windows on an Athlon 1700, which is a bit scary :) |
| 17:59.16 | Aribeth | sounds about right |
| 17:59.17 | DTRemenak | well, the build system. I actually suspect it's perl that's slow |
| 17:59.47 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: distcheck on windows is left |
| 17:59.55 | JeffM2501 | you can do that? |
| 18:00.00 | DTRemenak | mingw |
| 18:00.16 | DTRemenak | that ensures that our source zips will build right, which is a good thing |
| 18:00.23 | JeffM2501 | umm |
| 18:00.27 | JeffM2501 | I don't use the dist for source |
| 18:00.30 | JeffM2501 | I use export |
| 18:00.39 | JeffM2501 | since mingw uses unix line endings |
| 18:00.42 | DTRemenak | err, tarballs. unix lf on mingw |
| 18:00.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:00.57 | JeffM2501 | not that anyone makes the tarball on windows :) |
| 18:00.58 | DTRemenak | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeath' |
| 18:01.05 | DTRemenak | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `README.txt', needed by `distdir'. Stop. |
| 18:01.20 | JeffM2501 | you can pull the readmes |
| 18:01.48 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: that's exactly the problem. the tarball is made on a non-windows machine, so if it's missing windows-specific files nobody even notices, unless distcheck is run on windows. |
| 18:02.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:02.25 | JeffM2501 | that's why I use export :) |
| 18:02.29 | JeffM2501 | no missing files there :) |
| 18:03.31 | DTRemenak | yeah, instead you get crap you don't need, that's not built but hasn't been taken out of the repo yet :) |
| 18:03.52 | JeffM2501 | it's the same as we all get with CVS |
| 18:03.59 | JeffM2501 | if it's good enough for us..... |
| 18:03.59 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 18:04.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:04.09 | DTRemenak | lots of things are "good enough for us" |
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| 18:04.33 | JeffM2501 | if your on windows, and building from source, your in a dev mood, so "us" is what is good enough for you |
| 18:04.41 | JeffM2501 | under linux I understand tho |
| 18:04.50 | JeffM2501 | since building is how you just GET it |
| 18:05.39 | JeffM2501 | the plugin readmes don't have any real info |
| 18:05.42 | JeffM2501 | they can be pulled |
| 18:05.49 | JeffM2501 | they are just from appwizzy |
| 18:05.58 | DTRemenak | the problem was that it was already pulled, but still in the makefile :) |
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| 18:06.10 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 18:06.43 | CBG | i'lll leave again if thats how you feel whan I join, JeffM2501 :) |
| 18:06.55 | DTRemenak | hmm. actually it's still there in another copy I had checked out |
| 18:08.05 | CBG | JeffM2501? :P |
| 18:08.14 | CBG | Jeff? JeffM? |
| 18:08.15 | DTRemenak | JeffM |
| 18:08.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:08.25 | JeffM2501 | tho password... |
| 18:08.37 | DTRemenak | can't help with that :) |
| 18:08.54 | CBG | Sure, we believe ya, DTRemenak :P |
| 18:08.55 | JeffM2501 | actualy you possibly can |
| 18:09.26 | JeffM2501 | if I even still have an account |
| 18:09.27 | DTRemenak | I could probably reset it, but I can't find out what it is. at least without brute-forcing the md5. |
| 18:09.43 | JeffM2501 | reset would be fine |
| 18:10.05 | JeffM2501 | again, if I even exist as an user anymore |
| 18:10.10 | DTRemenak | and you can do that just as easily :) I don't have an account in the first place. |
| 18:10.18 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:10.23 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, ping |
| 18:10.24 | CBG | There are other ways to get a password... :| |
| 18:10.29 | DTRemenak | all about the database, man :) |
| 18:10.43 | JeffM2501 | PC can reset it and add you |
| 18:11.32 | JeffM2501 | "it's not yet 10 AM, but AQUA is drunk" |
| 18:11.41 | ToughShooter | Why not asking someone else to keep care of your password? ;) |
| 18:11.52 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you don't know history |
| 18:12.00 | JeffM2501 | I belive my account was removed or disabled |
| 18:12.16 | DTRemenak | I don't think it was, actually |
| 18:12.24 | Grumbler | with good reason as i remember |
| 18:12.26 | JeffM2501 | ok then it's just not any of my normals |
| 18:12.26 | CBG | I believe! |
| 18:12.30 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 18:14.12 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, what was the good reason? |
| 18:14.21 | JeffM2501 | that I'm an idiot :) |
| 18:15.04 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:18.57 | JeffM2501 | this read right? |
| 18:18.58 | JeffM2501 | The BZFlag developers are proud to announce the final release of BZFlag 2.0.4. This release includes many bug fixes and features, including greatly enhanced graphic performance, server side plug-ins, better HTTP performance, improved game server listing, a new icon, and much more. |
| 18:19.35 | trepan | JeffM2501: you should fix the border bug, it's yours ;) |
| 18:19.40 | trepan | by proxy |
| 18:19.57 | JeffM2501 | hey I didn't make the shots end there |
| 18:20.08 | trepan | border vs. dimming |
| 18:20.23 | JeffM2501 | I just make them look cool when they bounce :) |
| 18:20.48 | Grumbler | greatly enhanced....plain old "enhanced" is descriptive enough |
| 18:20.50 | JeffM2501 | shooting near a wall is a dangerous thing :) |
| 18:20.51 | trepan | i do like the rico effect |
| 18:21.04 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, not to describe what he did |
| 18:21.15 | JeffM2501 | trepan, it did come out kinda cool didnt it |
| 18:21.18 | JeffM2501 | like on a pyramid |
| 18:21.31 | Grumbler | alhtough his effort is substantive.....i still see the same ole tanks and walls |
| 18:21.33 | trepan | yup, the only one i have enabled |
| 18:21.48 | *** join/#bzflag sgk281 (n=sgk25@ws80.cs.drexel.edu) |
| 18:23.09 | *** join/#bzflag stevek__ (n=stevek@ACA95840.ipt.aol.com) |
| 18:23.20 | JeffM2501 | the walls are the maps fualt |
| 18:23.41 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:23.50 | ToughShooter | Mmm, distcheck failed on my box |
| 18:23.52 | JeffM2501 | then tank... well we've had that discussion |
| 18:23.53 | trepan | replace em with shiny walls |
| 18:24.33 | Grumbler | ~spell shiny |
| 18:24.41 | Grumbler | ~dict shiny\ |
| 18:24.44 | Grumbler | ~dict shiny |
| 18:24.49 | JeffM2501 | good lord you people don't trust me :) |
| 18:24.57 | trepan | ~dict shinny |
| 18:25.07 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (n=Mr_Molez@ACD46E5E.ipt.aol.com) |
| 18:25.16 | bryjen | it just doesn't look right |
| 18:25.20 | Grumbler | "fulgent"....hmmm |
| 18:25.21 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 18:25.34 | JeffM2501 | I had it with NN, and then checked it |
| 18:25.45 | trepan | ie: a shinny game |
| 18:25.51 | bryjen | silly canadians |
| 18:26.00 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: correction, you were indeed removed |
| 18:26.10 | JeffM2501 | I suxorz |
| 18:26.54 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, going to hack in a couple accounts? |
| 18:27.02 | DTRemenak | want me to? |
| 18:27.09 | JeffM2501 | purpie went away |
| 18:27.13 | JeffM2501 | so why not |
| 18:27.21 | JeffM2501 | hum the mission imposible song tho :) |
| 18:27.29 | JeffM2501 | and how's the distcheck doing? |
| 18:27.42 | DTRemenak | it's on configure right now |
| 18:28.37 | *** join/#bzflag silverfox (i=vircuser@68-116-47-254.static.mdfd.or.charter.com) |
| 18:31.57 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dslb-084-058-128-163.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:32.53 | Grumbler | ~spell erronius |
| 18:32.53 | JeffM2501 | noone must ever play green team |
| 18:33.26 | JeffM2501 | green texture has like 2x repeats from the other textures |
| 18:33.31 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:33.59 | Grumbler | you should do that to rogues.....teach them a lesson for being independant |
| 18:39.22 | *** join/#bzflag gsnedders (n=gsnedder@host86-137-238-58.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:43.56 | Thumper_ | it's done? who what where??!!?? |
| 18:44.03 | Thumper_ | I missed it :( |
| 18:44.11 | JeffM2501 | no I'm asking |
| 18:44.47 | ToughShooter | The download stuff isn't perfectly working when a user hits connected again when the stuff needed to join is still being downloaded |
| 18:46.09 | ToughShooter | It's no longer crashing but you still can get more than 275% of a file being downloaded and then you'll have to re-download the stuff again |
| 18:46.24 | CBG | Thumper_ thats totally lame in the grand scheme of things. |
| 18:46.32 | CBG | People have done so much worse. :P |
| 18:46.53 | Thumper_ | sorry I'm new at this ;) |
| 18:47.18 | trepan | JeffM2501: guess it's too late to rip out all of the dimming code |
| 18:47.25 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 18:47.36 | trepan | all of it replaced with 4 lines ;) |
| 18:47.40 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 18:47.47 | JeffM2501 | there's allways the next version |
| 18:54.30 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it close? |
| 18:54.54 | DTRemenak | it's in net right now |
| 18:55.07 | JeffM2501 | that sucker is slow :) |
| 18:55.09 | DTRemenak | you can always tag and re-tag |
| 18:55.21 | JeffM2501 | ohh I'm uploading bins ANYWAY :) |
| 18:57.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog README TODO src/date/buildDate.cxx): change to 2.0.4 stable version numbers |
| 18:59.08 | JeffM2501 | you have a makefile change to comiit right? |
| 18:59.32 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 18:59.43 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:59.43 | DTRemenak | 'twas an error in my checkout |
| 18:59.46 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:59.52 | JeffM2501 | then I'm gonna tag |
| 18:59.55 | ToughShooter | distcheck does check with and without SDL, correct? |
| 18:59.57 | JeffM2501 | can move it if need be |
| 19:00.05 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: nope. just default config |
| 19:00.48 | JeffM2501 | we be tagged |
| 19:00.55 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: I see it compiling the whole source tree, creating a tar.gz, deleting it and reconfiguring without sdl |
| 19:01.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:01.12 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 windows binary is on SF |
| 19:01.15 | JeffM2501 | and posted |
| 19:01.29 | ToughShooter | then it fails macdisplay.cxx when no SDL is there |
| 19:02.47 | bryjen | 2.0.3-STABLE ;) |
| 19:03.04 | JeffM2501 | you sure? |
| 19:03.17 | JeffM2501 | in the bin or the source? |
| 19:03.50 | bryjen | in buildDate.cxx BZ_REV |
| 19:03.57 | JeffM2501 | bahh |
| 19:04.23 | DTRemenak | # define BZ_REV3 |
| 19:04.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:04.32 | JeffM2501 | my bad |
| 19:04.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: really 2.0.4 |
| 19:04.47 | JeffM2501 | commited the wrong tree for that part :) |
| 19:05.19 | JeffM2501 | time to rebuild :) |
| 19:05.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: consistency |
| 19:06.57 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 19:07.37 | CBG | so... this is it? |
| 19:08.16 | trepan | heh, forgot the /msg |
| 19:08.20 | CBG | trepan: 2.0.4 |
| 19:08.28 | JeffM2501 | in firefly it means "a good thing" |
| 19:09.54 | bryjen | ~dict 3 shiny |
| 19:10.01 | bryjen | Mmm doughnuts |
| 19:10.09 | CBG | mmmmmm :D |
| 19:10.24 | Grumbler | now there is a release name "Glazed Doughnuts" |
| 19:10.32 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:10.39 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, go watch firefly |
| 19:10.42 | JeffM2501 | then you will know |
| 19:10.48 | Grumbler | i know, i watch |
| 19:10.57 | Grumbler | but glazed doughnuts sounds cool |
| 19:11.01 | JeffM2501 | then you know everything is shiny |
| 19:11.19 | CBG | glazed doughnuts ARE cool! :D |
| 19:12.52 | bryjen | ~dict 4 shiny |
| 19:13.11 | trepan | ~dict auburn |
| 19:14.20 | JeffM2501 | source zip is uploading now |
| 19:14.35 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you want to do the tarball/bzbb honors? |
| 19:14.41 | JeffM2501 | me has to leave in 15 |
| 19:15.02 | DTRemenak | someone on linux should do the tarball. |
| 19:15.32 | trepan | no checks, just a wrap? |
| 19:15.36 | JeffM2501 | what, DTR has an excuses to STAY in windows? |
| 19:15.49 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: MingW is still building :) |
| 19:15.53 | JeffM2501 | ha |
| 19:15.54 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 19:15.59 | DTRemenak | trepan: make dist-gz? something like that. |
| 19:16.00 | menotume | tarball of what ? |
| 19:16.15 | bryjen | make dist |
| 19:16.21 | DTRemenak | yeah that :) |
| 19:16.31 | DTRemenak | menotume: 2.0.4, of course |
| 19:17.37 | menotume | okies, so update and make dist, i can handle that, i think |
| 19:18.10 | menotume | oh wait, if i have garbage in my tree, will it grap that ? |
| 19:18.20 | menotume | i'll do freash CO |
| 19:18.56 | JeffM2501 | that should start yon ball rolling |
| 19:19.16 | JeffM2501 | could who ever uploads the source tarball hit the notification button for that package? |
| 19:19.41 | JeffM2501 | I did for win bin, but fiugred wait for source tar before doing it for src |
| 19:20.10 | trepan | i've got the zipped files, but no upload button on SF |
| 19:20.19 | JeffM2501 | there isn't an upload button |
| 19:20.37 | JeffM2501 | you upload via ftp to uploads.sourceforge.net |
| 19:20.37 | menotume | i can probably ftp it, but someone else should take it from there |
| 19:20.39 | JeffM2501 | then go to ADMIN |
| 19:20.42 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=53425 |
| 19:20.45 | JeffM2501 | and you can manage the file admins |
| 19:21.04 | JeffM2501 | thank you Sir Remenak |
| 19:21.18 | JeffM2501 | may the gods have mercy on us all |
| 19:21.31 | CBG | god*S* ? |
| 19:21.32 | JeffM2501 | I set the MOTDs too |
| 19:21.42 | JeffM2501 | CBG, the more the merrier |
| 19:21.51 | CBG | heh, good one. :) |
| 19:22.09 | JeffM2501 | you guys over there should know all about that |
| 19:22.26 | JeffM2501 | didn't you guys help some celts cut some stone for something a while ago? |
| 19:23.03 | brad2901 | does this release change protocol? |
| 19:23.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:23.58 | brad2901 | k |
| 19:24.02 | JeffM2501 | if it did it would not be 2.0.x |
| 19:24.06 | JeffM2501 | it would be 2.2.0 |
| 19:24.13 | menotume | hmm, there is already a 'bzflag source 2.0.4' on sf |
| 19:24.18 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 19:24.20 | JeffM2501 | I added it |
| 19:24.23 | JeffM2501 | for the zip |
| 19:24.27 | menotume | ahhh |
| 19:24.30 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 19:24.41 | JeffM2501 | when you are done with the tarball |
| 19:24.47 | CBG | JeffM2501: "you guys" ? hmm. :/ |
| 19:24.48 | JeffM2501 | hit the "notify" button at the botom ok? |
| 19:24.50 | brad2901 | =) |
| 19:24.54 | JeffM2501 | CBG, the welsh |
| 19:24.57 | JeffM2501 | your kin |
| 19:25.04 | CBG | pass. ;) |
| 19:25.05 | JeffM2501 | mum and pa |
| 19:25.30 | menotume | you want both tar.gz and tar.bz2, right ? |
| 19:25.34 | JeffM2501 | I guess os |
| 19:25.39 | JeffM2501 | tupone started that last time |
| 19:25.41 | JeffM2501 | not sure why |
| 19:25.47 | JeffM2501 | silly dialup users :) |
| 19:25.51 | trepan | in my admin page: You cannot perform file release operations on this project |
| 19:26.01 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:26.02 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 19:26.04 | trepan | doubt i can be of service ;) |
| 19:26.08 | JeffM2501 | we should get that fixed |
| 19:26.25 | JeffM2501 | well upload it an then like dtr or somone can tell it to add it |
| 19:26.30 | JeffM2501 | I have to go now |
| 19:26.41 | JeffM2501 | so in true style, I will make changes, upload stuff, then leave :) |
| 19:27.08 | CBG | like the koala, eats shoots and leaves...? :) |
| 19:27.16 | JeffM2501 | best of luck on the rest of the builds |
| 19:27.22 | JeffM2501 | victory or death and all that |
| 19:27.27 | menotume | upping now |
| 19:27.35 | trepan | jolly good, cheerio |
| 19:27.43 | CBG | who is doing the mac one? |
| 19:27.44 | JeffM2501 | cheers mate |
| 19:27.50 | JeffM2501 | brlcad when he has time |
| 19:27.58 | JeffM2501 | ibot, botmail do the mac 2.0.4 |
| 19:28.05 | JeffM2501 | ibot, botmail for brlcad do the mac 2.0.4 |
| 19:28.51 | CBG | hmm... /me gotta wait... |
| 19:29.26 | Grumbler | menotume, did you up yours? |
| 19:30.36 | ToughShooter | CBG: I already have mine :D |
| 19:30.47 | CBG | bah... |
| 19:30.54 | CBG | I could just update my CVS, right? |
| 19:31.16 | ToughShooter | basically yes |
| 19:31.25 | CBG | bah, but ya know me.... |
| 19:31.53 | ToughShooter | Mmm, I could send you my version with a file transfer over IRC |
| 19:32.20 | ToughShooter | but it's linked to an SDL-installation |
| 19:32.41 | CBG | or i could just wait... :) |
| 19:32.59 | menotume | still upping |
| 19:33.04 | menotume | (and up yours too) |
| 19:33.11 | menotume | :D |
| 19:33.22 | ToughShooter | You would need at least a G4 processor for my version, too (Altivec) ;) |
| 19:33.24 | menotume | one up, one to go |
| 19:33.49 | CBG | ToughShooter: I'm on a G4 ibook. (the cheapest one. ;) ) |
| 19:33.58 | CBG | 1.2 GHz, 12"... :) |
| 19:35.12 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901` (i=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 19:35.22 | ToughShooter | The G4 ibooks have worse displays than the G3 ones ;) |
| 19:35.46 | CBG | pfff. |
| 19:36.44 | brad2901` | May I be the first to report a problem with 2.0.4? |
| 19:36.49 | CBG | no! |
| 19:36.51 | CBG | :( |
| 19:37.00 | brad2901` | =) |
| 19:37.06 | ToughShooter | I was before :p |
| 19:37.09 | brad2901` | pff |
| 19:37.48 | brad2901` | The problem is: the version number still says 2.0.3 >:) |
| 19:38.06 | CBG | hah!! |
| 19:38.08 | ToughShooter | They fixed it a few minutes ago, AFAIK |
| 19:38.17 | brad2901` | :-( |
| 19:38.20 | CBG | :) |
| 19:38.26 | Grumbler | bryjen beat you out |
| 19:38.31 | brad2901` | darn. |
| 19:38.42 | brad2901` | ~lart bryjen |
| 19:38.57 | Grumbler | thats not a good idea.....bryjen likes to hunt |
| 19:39.05 | brad2901` | eek |
| 19:39.29 | menotume | OK: bzflag-2.0.4.20050930.tar.gz AND bzflag-2.0.4.20050930.tar.bz2 are in uploads dir |
| 19:39.39 | menotume | (I don't have access to 'file releases page') |
| 19:40.00 | bryjen | are they? |
| 19:40.17 | trepan | someone might want to update the MOTD |
| 19:42.35 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.org/wiki/Download isn't updated yet, too |
| 19:43.42 | menotume | eesh, i uploaded to my own dir at sf |
| 19:44.13 | menotume | i just did: sftp menotume@uploads.sf.net, and did it there |
| 19:44.18 | ToughShooter | menotume: ;) |
| 19:44.40 | Grumbler | menotume, up yours........soon |
| 19:44.48 | menotume | heh |
| 19:44.52 | menotume | but, but |
| 19:45.29 | bryjen | ftp://upload.sourceforge.net/incoming anonymously |
| 19:47.45 | menotume | ok, got it :) |
| 19:48.17 | DTRemenak | trepan: motd is already updated |
| 19:48.40 | menotume | <JeffM2501> you upload via ftp to uploads.sourceforge.net <== i tried and it hung, so i tried sftp :) |
| 19:49.00 | bryjen | motd looks the same in-client :/ |
| 19:49.38 | DTRemenak | bryjen: in a 2.0.2 client? |
| 19:49.57 | bryjen | BZFlag version: 2.0.4.20050930-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL |
| 19:49.59 | DTRemenak | motd is version-biased |
| 19:50.05 | brad2901 | same for me aswell |
| 19:50.21 | bryjen | speaks of debians breakage |
| 19:50.34 | DTRemenak | http://bzflag.org/motd.php |
| 19:51.08 | menotume | problems with sf ftp :( |
| 19:51.15 | DTRemenak | 2.0.0 and 2.0.2 clients should see a message to upgrade to 2.0.4 |
| 19:51.15 | trepan | ah, setup 2.0.3 then? |
| 19:51.20 | bryjen | for 2.0.0 and 2.0.2 then? |
| 19:51.22 | DTRemenak | probably should |
| 19:51.26 | menotume | local: bzflag-2.0.4.20050930.tar.gz remote: bzflag-2.0.4.20050930.tar.gz |
| 19:51.26 | menotume | 227 Entering Passive Mode (66,35,250,221,232,97) |
| 19:51.26 | menotume | 553 Could not create file. |
| 19:51.33 | DTRemenak | menotume: in incoming? |
| 19:51.34 | menotume | (in the incoming dir) can't ls either |
| 19:51.38 | menotume | :) |
| 19:51.42 | DTRemenak | ls is forbidden |
| 19:51.48 | menotume | ahh |
| 19:51.53 | DTRemenak | all you can do is upload, period |
| 19:51.59 | bryjen | need to thake the debian message off the ver 0.0 entry? |
| 19:52.41 | bryjen | and maybe a "Welcome to 2.0.4" for that vers? |
| 19:53.13 | menotume | ok, bz2 is going up |
| 19:53.29 | menotume | i goofed on .gz, i think |
| 19:53.42 | menotume | i may have aborted it, and it partially exists :( |
| 19:53.46 | ToughShooter | you can not see what others are uploading but you can browse all their files (and modify) via ssh |
| 19:53.58 | menotume | where is it in ssh ? |
| 19:54.03 | ToughShooter | at least last time I checked file rights |
| 19:54.05 | menotume | what dir ? |
| 19:54.16 | bryjen | ~ftp/incoming ? |
| 19:54.33 | ToughShooter | with ssh you can control the projects web-space |
| 19:54.36 | DTRemenak | menotume: I can delete it if you want |
| 19:54.52 | ToughShooter | shell.sourceforge.net , AFAIR |
| 19:54.52 | DTRemenak | just need to add it to the project and remove it |
| 19:55.53 | menotume | yes, but the .gz is probably bad |
| 19:56.05 | menotume | yes, please remove it |
| 19:56.11 | DTRemenak | 2.0.3 motd added |
| 19:56.45 | menotume | ToughShooter: the ftp/incoming is not part of the project space |
| 19:57.04 | ToughShooter | I get nothing with 2.0.2 and debian warning + upgrade with 2.0.3 |
| 19:57.17 | ToughShooter | menotume: I didn't said that |
| 19:57.30 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (n=tuckerm@procyon.noodleroni.com) |
| 19:57.41 | menotume | ok. bz2 is up (and complete) :)_ |
| 19:58.03 | ToughShooter | Just stated that you can mod any projecs file if you're a project admin, last time I checked |
| 19:58.19 | ToughShooter | when it's in htdocs |
| 19:58.34 | menotume | k :) |
| 19:58.43 | bryjen | .gz deleted, go again |
| 19:58.53 | menotume | yep, it's going :) |
| 19:58.56 | menotume | thx :) |
| 20:02.12 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Still no MOTD with 2.0.2, variable in config not changed |
| 20:02.32 | menotume | both up |
| 20:04.59 | bryjen | added to release. double check the file sizes if you would http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=3165&release_id=360277 |
| 20:07.15 | bryjen | ~nslookup 193.201.54.13 |
| 20:07.23 | bryjen | hrm |
| 20:07.25 | menotume | the .bz2 is short |
| 20:07.48 | menotume | bryjen: the .bz2 should be 11251394 |
| 20:07.54 | menotume | i didn't abort it |
| 20:08.19 | menotume | the .gz is correct |
| 20:08.27 | bryjen | arg. i think i selected it before it was finished uploading :( |
| 20:08.33 | menotume | :) |
| 20:08.45 | menotume | i can do it again, i got it down now :) |
| 20:10.14 | menotume | upping again :) |
| 20:11.10 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:11.38 | bryjen | sf is being helpful and forcing me to... |
| 20:15.15 | menotume | bryjen: done, all 11251394 bytes of it :) |
| 20:17.06 | menotume | wrong size :( |
| 20:17.10 | menotume | hold on |
| 20:17.20 | bryjen | grr |
| 20:17.31 | menotume | yep, binary mode |
| 20:18.39 | menotume | it loks like ascii mode (is bigger by a bit), but i did binary |
| 20:18.40 | ToughShooter | meno and his FTP probs ;) |
| 20:19.05 | menotume | sending again :p |
| 20:19.13 | ToughShooter | menotume: If you would send me the file via IRC I could do it for you :) |
| 20:19.23 | menotume | funny |
| 20:20.01 | bryjen | 11296297 bytes is wrong then? |
| 20:20.01 | ToughShooter | I never had problems with sourceforge FTP except when it was full and I wanted to upload my files |
| 20:20.26 | menotume | bryjen: should be 11251394 |
| 20:20.55 | menotume | maybe i need a new ftp client :( |
| 20:20.57 | ToughShooter | menotume: What do you think about my offer? |
| 20:21.16 | ToughShooter | If we both fail it won't be you alone ;) |
| 20:21.22 | menotume | i SWEAR it says 200 Switching to Binary mode. |
| 20:21.35 | menotume | but, it looks like cr/lf was added |
| 20:21.48 | menotume | ToughShooter: one more try, it's almost done |
| 20:22.48 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-47-109.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:22.59 | menotume | bryjen: done, all 11251394 bytes of it :) |
| 20:23.12 | menotume | 11251394 bytes sent in 2.5e+02 seconds (44 Kbytes/s) (again) |
| 20:23.17 | bryjen | this time for sure! |
| 20:23.53 | menotume | YAY |
| 20:24.00 | menotume | eeesh |
| 20:24.02 | bryjen | bullwinkle |
| 20:24.26 | menotume | i'll d/l both of them and compare :) |
| 20:30.05 | ToughShooter | it's correct this time |
| 20:32.58 | menotume | downloaded, compared, verified |
| 20:35.42 | Grumbler | oh wait the name of the executable is suppose to be BZFlag not bzflag......menotume you are going to have to do it all over again :) |
| 20:36.40 | menotume | ok, np :) |
| 20:36.48 | Grumbler | heh |
| 20:37.00 | menotume | hey, who made the mousebox adjustable to so small ? |
| 20:37.13 | Grumbler | someone with a love of ME |
| 20:37.18 | menotume | yep |
| 20:37.41 | menotume | omg |
| 20:37.48 | ToughShooter | All you have for mice is speed and acceleration |
| 20:37.58 | menotume | yes, that is ME |
| 20:38.08 | ToughShooter | the name is crazy |
| 20:38.24 | menotume | and, with mousebox so small, it makes for accel that is too much for an online game with lag |
| 20:38.29 | menotume | AMP |
| 20:38.35 | menotume | Advanced Mouse Playstyle |
| 20:38.48 | menotume | better? :) |
| 20:38.50 | ToughShooter | what is enchanced about a moving system that was there before speed |
| 20:39.32 | ToughShooter | enchanced rather sounds like something that has progressed in history |
| 20:39.40 | menotume | i'm not gonna get into it here, other than to say TRY IT. make your mouseboz the smallest, turn up you accell, and play ducati-style |
| 20:40.07 | ToughShooter | I only use acceleration, never used speed |
| 20:40.50 | menotume | it changes the entire feel of the game |
| 20:41.06 | menotume | it sux |
| 20:41.57 | ToughShooter | if jitter is raising then: yes |
| 20:42.03 | Grumbler | it also creates havoc for the server......ME causes dead-reckoning to fail |
| 20:42.38 | Grumbler | hence, the suggestion to add -a to your server to dampen the ME effect on the server |
| 20:42.49 | menotume | it's too much for a nw game :( |
| 20:42.56 | Grumbler | is it -a ?......too many switches |
| 20:43.05 | menotume | yes, -a |
| 20:43.12 | menotume | but, i dunno how affective that is |
| 20:43.14 | ToughShooter | -a with parameters |
| 20:43.38 | ToughShooter | -a alone cause bzfs to fail on several things, AFAIR |
| 20:43.41 | menotume | -a 45 38 is close to 'normal' |
| 20:44.49 | ToughShooter | if the mass has less control over their mouse cursor movement it's no problem for me... |
| 20:45.08 | ToughShooter | acceleration has pros and cons |
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| 20:48.07 | menotume | ToughShooter: they don't have to if they can't be hit :) |
| 20:48.43 | ToughShooter | ? |
| 20:48.57 | menotume | what servers do you play ? |
| 20:49.19 | ToughShooter | silvercat, viper, secretplace |
| 20:49.45 | ToughShooter | where I like babel (3 shot) most |
| 20:50.06 | menotume | try dub sometime |
| 20:50.11 | menotume | a non-jumping server |
| 20:50.35 | ToughShooter | I know what happens there, I was there, too |
| 20:50.55 | menotume | ever see a plyer who jitters a lot and has a score of 30-5 ? |
| 20:51.03 | ToughShooter | no |
| 20:51.06 | menotume | but, has low jitter stats |
| 20:51.33 | menotume | nvm, i will become more obvious soon |
| 20:51.38 | menotume | *it* |
| 20:51.51 | ToughShooter | What I have found out is that when I concentrate on quick, last moment dodges I have an advance |
| 20:52.29 | menotume | there are vets (8+ years of playing) who are disgusted with the changes in gameplay |
| 20:52.43 | ToughShooter | but agility is hard to use and putting bullets close to an exact point while moving is hard |
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| 20:59.25 | Grumbler | it may be hard to use, its still not fair |
| 21:00.14 | ToughShooter | I can understand it can look strange if an opponent dodges a bullet with acceleration but when you use speed you've choosen a bad mouse setting and expect all others to get the same dodge-limit like you but let them continue to have the downsides of their setting |
| 21:00.35 | Grumbler | sry, not buying it |
| 21:01.11 | Grumbler | this is not a jitter-bug game.....go to UT2004 or the like for that |
| 21:02.00 | ToughShooter | the jitter is the only reason I would agree to |
| 21:04.12 | ToughShooter | but when limiting a tanks movement agility doesn't get easier to use for the mouse accelerated tanks, AFAIK |
| 21:06.24 | Grumbler | the problem is not solved yet, its on the list for next release |
| 21:06.51 | Mr_Molez | what changes are we likely to see ? |
| 21:07.29 | ToughShooter | I would like to see them not being jittery |
| 21:07.54 | BearPerson | laggy instead? |
| 21:08.01 | Mr_Molez | so the mouse speed itself isnt going to be capped ? |
| 21:09.14 | Mr_Molez | i only use a faster mouse to limit how much i have to move my mouse.. otherwise things fly everywhere having to move my mouse so far :P |
| 21:09.43 | ToughShooter | Eeew |
| 21:10.00 | Mr_Molez | ive got 1.. lol the 1 i have is impossible. im planning on buying a thumb 1 |
| 21:10.01 | ToughShooter | I could never steer such a device |
| 21:10.30 | BearPerson | I love it when they try to sell wireless trackballs |
| 21:10.38 | DTRemenak | just play with a joystick :) |
| 21:10.42 | Mr_Molez | eww |
| 21:10.48 | BearPerson | almost as useful as wireless keyboards, IMO... or even a wireless joystick ;-) |
| 21:11.21 | Mr_Molez | wireless is the future ;) |
| 21:11.36 | ToughShooter | Hmm, tanks with highspeed and Agility move faster than the mouse accelerated tanks and don't look jittery like them |
| 21:11.37 | TD-Linux | If there is something that needs to be updated badly on the forums, it's the BZFlag Versions sticky ;) |
| 21:11.41 | bryjen | wireless game pads keep you from yanking the game console off the table ;) |
| 21:12.17 | Mr_Molez | ToughShooter: good point |
| 21:12.23 | ToughShooter | that is why I think it's a bug somewhere causing the jitter |
| 21:12.33 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, well, I suppose mouse accellerated tanks just change direction faster |
| 21:12.42 | BearPerson | so minus dead reconing prolly |
| 21:12.47 | ToughShooter | so I would like to see the bug fixed |
| 21:13.05 | BearPerson | might want to try to turn off DR and see what happens |
| 21:13.27 | ToughShooter | BearPerson: Yes, they do and you're seeing them jittering around the bullet from my memories |
| 21:14.01 | Mr_Molez | i have never really had a problem killing people with fast mouse; it just takes a bit more effort |
| 21:14.29 | TD-Linux | why does 2.0.4 install in a BZFlag2.0.4Final folder? |
| 21:14.47 | BearPerson | someone forgot something I guess ;-) |
| 21:15.11 | ToughShooter | People with QuickTurn can turn even faster than the mouse accelerated tanks without flags |
| 21:15.41 | Mr_Molez | are people sure they are not confusing fast mouse with just good skill ? |
| 21:15.41 | ToughShooter | I don't remember to have seen anyone who was not looking jittery getting jittery with QT |
| 21:15.42 | TD-Linux | why is there both a quickturn and agility flag? |
| 21:16.02 | BearPerson | well, flags are included in DR |
| 21:16.10 | Mr_Molez | agility moves forward fast aswell. and only for a short period of time |
| 21:16.26 | BearPerson | flags make you move rapidly, mouse stuff makes you change movement rapidly |
| 21:16.31 | BearPerson | velocity vs. accelleration |
| 21:16.35 | TD-Linux | yes, but it is like a combo of QT and HS with a disadvantage |
| 21:16.51 | TD-Linux | dosen't really make sense, but can't remove it now ;) |
| 21:16.52 | bryjen | not it is not |
| 21:17.12 | ToughShooter | so if you _can_ turn much more than a little bit faster it's not believeable that only the slightly faster moving from mouse accelerated tanks is causing the real problem |
| 21:17.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: for consistency, 2.0.4 not 2.0.4Final |
| 21:17.36 | TD-Linux | wow, that was fasst dtremenak ;) |
| 21:17.38 | bryjen | QT and HS raise your maximum angular and linear _velocity_. not how quickly you can change velocity, which is accelleration |
| 21:17.42 | ToughShooter | if you can't see where your opponent is on low shot servers you have a problem |
| 21:17.50 | TD-Linux | dtremenak: how do you do that so fast? |
| 21:18.01 | DTRemenak | read, change, commit |
| 21:18.20 | BearPerson | I still believe it's dead reconing / no movement -> sudden move that's killing us |
| 21:18.21 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:18.26 | BearPerson | maybe it lags the client a bit |
| 21:18.28 | ToughShooter | and I really think this is the problem, not the little bit better moving |
| 21:19.08 | BearPerson | I wonder if it just lags the client out for a centisec and that keeps it from sending pos updates for a bit |
| 21:19.13 | Mr_Molez | wasn't it already decided that is was the timing of the packets that are sent that affects fast mouse ? |
| 21:19.17 | bryjen | ME does not make you turn or drive faster |
| 21:19.43 | ToughShooter | you can turn a little bit faster |
| 21:19.54 | ToughShooter | almost not noticeable |
| 21:20.09 | BearPerson | you look like you can |
| 21:20.10 | bryjen | no. the maximums are capped. you can _change_ faster. |
| 21:20.24 | BearPerson | you start a bit lagged maybe |
| 21:20.25 | DTRemenak | it's all about derivatives |
| 21:20.56 | BearPerson | think what happens when you turn normally, but on the first 1/2 of your turn you don't send any packets to the server |
| 21:21.06 | BearPerson | it would look like you had 2x the turn speed |
| 21:21.07 | Silent_Swan | i hate my job |
| 21:21.16 | ToughShooter | yeah, maybe I should have been a bit more exact |
| 21:21.54 | bryjen | Silent_Swan: only for another 40 minutes this week ;) |
| 21:21.57 | ToughShooter | but you can also change faster with QT |
| 21:22.18 | bryjen | I don't think so |
| 21:22.34 | ToughShooter | My client can, at least |
| 21:23.45 | bryjen | hmmm, in the case where there is no limit to accelleration, you can achieve the higher maximum velocity instantly.... |
| 21:24.24 | bryjen | ~spell accelleration |
| 21:24.33 | bryjen | eh. one L |
| 21:25.26 | ToughShooter | bryjen: Like I spelled ;) |
| 21:25.43 | Silent_Swan | bryjen 40 minutes? hah.. yeah right |
| 21:25.53 | Silent_Swan | 4 hours more like |
| 21:26.09 | bryjen | when did you start? |
| 21:26.14 | Silent_Swan | 10am |
| 21:26.33 | bryjen | CDT? |
| 21:26.37 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 21:26.46 | Silent_Swan | got a big security audit we're going through... |
| 21:26.56 | Silent_Swan | and i'm at least 80% responsible for setting that in motion |
| 21:29.29 | Silent_Swan | taht's what i get for being too good at what i do |
| 21:29.43 | Silent_Swan | (too good for the pitiful paycheck, that is) |
| 21:30.31 | Silent_Swan | i'll shutup and go crawl back under my desk for a while |
| 21:33.52 | bryjen | i donno. i haven't noticed many excessively jitter and hard-to-kill tanks that didn't show it in /lagstats. |
| 21:35.33 | silverfox | help me! I've had a brain fart! |
| 21:36.26 | silverfox | does "size" x value refer to the total width of x, or the distance x from the position (-x to the left and +x to the right) resulting in a total width of 2x? |
| 21:36.38 | ToughShooter | bryjen: If you're saying only mouse accelerated tanks have caused that then you can blame all players using Mac OS X... |
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| 21:37.42 | silverfox | for instance, to specify the north half of the map: |
| 21:37.48 | silverfox | position 0 200 0 |
| 21:37.56 | silverfox | size 800 400 0 |
| 21:37.58 | ToughShooter | silverfox: do you mean the size in map opions? |
| 21:37.59 | silverfox | is that right? |
| 21:38.12 | silverfox | or is it: size 400 200 0 ? |
| 21:38.12 | TD-Linux | ewwww... 1.x definitions ;) |
| 21:38.28 | silverfox | TD-Linux, how else would you define a zone?!? |
| 21:38.36 | TD-Linux | oh :P |
| 21:39.01 | TD-Linux | I don't know how size works, but I do know how scale works |
| 21:40.27 | silverfox | its 400 200 0 |
| 21:40.44 | TD-Linux | assuming they work similar: it scales in both directions |
| 21:40.50 | ToughShooter | You're in the middle |
| 21:41.32 | silverfox | yep, that's right apparrently. |
| 21:41.39 | TD-Linux | zones for what map? |
| 21:41.55 | ToughShooter | position sets the point and size constructs the mass around that point |
| 21:51.56 | uso | what is the tag for 2.0.4? can't find any v2_0_4 tag |
| 21:52.15 | uso | only the rc ones |
| 21:54.35 | trepan | tag is v2_0_4, and is present |
| 21:55.09 | uso | then it's again the anan delay :( |
| 21:55.18 | uso | *anon cvs |
| 21:55.21 | trepan | very likely |
| 21:55.22 | Pimpinella | yeah, it surely is |
| 21:55.28 | Silent_Swan | woohoo! |
| 21:55.30 | Pimpinella | get the tarball |
| 21:55.43 | uso | i thought it was hours ago as someone said 2.0.4 is out |
| 21:55.59 | Pimpinella | it'll take up to 5 hours |
| 21:56.17 | trepan | 14:57 < CIA-3> BZFlag: jeffm2501 * bzflag/ etc... |
| 21:56.31 | Pimpinella | local time |
| 21:56.44 | trepan | hehe, right |
| 21:56.54 | trepan | mine is 17:56 |
| 21:57.44 | Pimpinella | sicne here it's 00:00 |
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| 22:00.40 | Pimpinella | somebod might want to change the topic |
| 22:03.30 | bryjen | need ops. its locked |
| 22:05.03 | uso | the download page also isn't updated |
| 22:05.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 22:05.18 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat if you just want to chat || paste errors to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || BZFlag 2.0.4 Released! |
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| 22:06.48 | uso | neither on bzflag.org nor at sf |
| 22:07.07 | Silent_Swan | someone here have a second they could connect to my server to test something? |
| 22:07.11 | Silent_Swan | shattered.bzflag.bz |
| 22:09.21 | Silent_Swan | er.. nevermind, i got it |
| 22:17.23 | sgk284 | Silent_Swan, if you need anyone again just let me know |
| 22:17.33 | Silent_Swan | thanks, but i got it... |
| 22:17.36 | sgk284 | k |
| 22:20.24 | Silent_Swan | cvs version still says 2.0.3 |
| 22:20.39 | uso | anybody knows what takes precedence for gcc if -mtune and -march is set? |
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| 22:24.57 | Pimpinella | Silent_Swan: anon cvs? |
| 22:25.27 | Chestal | uso: depends :-) |
| 22:25.40 | Pimpinella | hi Chestal :) |
| 22:25.44 | TD-Linux | I shot myself with L, in a no rico area |
| 22:25.46 | Chestal | uso: is -march contradicts -mtune, I would guess that it is -march or the compiler will barf |
| 22:26.14 | Chestal | uso: is mtune is a subset of march, mtune will be used |
| 22:26.19 | Silent_Swan | Pimpinella yes |
| 22:26.29 | Pimpinella | delay then |
| 22:26.37 | BearPerson | I'd say last-specified gets used |
| 22:26.55 | Chestal | uso: actualyl, that's not precise enough, it will use both march and mtune, because both mean different things |
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| 22:28.30 | Chestal | -march (or was it -mcpu, hmm) defines the command set to use |
| 22:28.43 | CBG | You're Beautiful, You're Beautiful, You're Beautiful, It's True. I saw your face, in a crowded place and I don't know what to do. Because I'll never be with you. |
| 22:28.51 | Chestal | -mtune tells the compiler how to optimize the code within the constraints of the instruction set |
| 22:33.11 | uso | seems to be vice versa, as mtune is set to i686 and with march i can choose processor |
| 22:34.18 | uso | easier asked: do i have to remove all the -mtune-i686 from the makefiles if i want an optimized binary for a p3 (-march=pentium3)? |
| 22:35.08 | Chestal | yes, or use the correct -mtune |
| 22:35.34 | Chestal | with -march=pentium3 and -mtune=686 I woudl assuem it generates code that is optimized for 686, but will still work on a 386 |
| 22:35.40 | uso | problem is, that i can add options with configure, but not remove :( |
| 22:35.41 | Chestal | eh, on pentium3 |
| 22:36.08 | Chestal | I guess when you specify the same option twice, the last one will be used |
| 22:36.35 | Chestal | I would be surprised if you woudl see any real difference with different -mtune settings for bzflag anyway |
| 22:36.39 | uso | hmm, this would be a try |
| 22:37.11 | uso | i think soo too, but at least i have tried my best :) |
| 22:38.24 | uso | compilation is already running, so i can't change options for now anyways |
| 22:40.53 | Chestal | uso: if your framerate too low? |
| 22:45.54 | uso | my hardware is somewhat slow :) |
| 22:46.24 | uso | and radeon problem with console rendering ;) |
| 22:46.40 | uso | old 2.0 problems |
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| 22:47.38 | Chestal | uso: software rendering? |
| 22:47.52 | uso | don't know if anything is fixed there with 2.0.4, but probably not |
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| 22:48.02 | Chestal | uso: have you tried opaque console and/or bitmap font rendering? |
| 22:48.05 | uso | the font rendering |
| 22:48.29 | uso | bitmap font rendering is even slower |
| 22:48.46 | uso | but what is opaque console? that's new to me |
| 22:49.02 | Chestal | well, you can set the transparency of the radar / control panel area |
| 22:49.17 | uso | depending on the map i have one 3rd or 4th of the fps with console on |
| 22:49.55 | uso | i can switch it off so that console and radar background is black |
| 22:49.55 | Chestal | 'radar and panel opacity' in GUI menu |
| 22:50.08 | Chestal | if it is fully opaque, it will only be drawn whenever it changes |
| 22:50.35 | uso | ah, fully opaque |
| 22:50.41 | Chestal | it's a bit strange that both the texture and bitmap font renderer is slow for you |
| 22:50.57 | Chestal | you seem to get the worst of both the hardware and software world |
| 22:51.21 | uso | seems to be a problem of the small radeons (9200) |
| 22:51.32 | uso | introduced between 1.10 and 2.0 |
| 22:51.54 | Chestal | well, 1.10's font rendering is more similar to the 2.0 bitmap font renderer |
| 22:52.01 | Chestal | the 2.0 defautl font renderer uses tetxures |
| 22:52.16 | Chestal | I wooudl have expected the 9200 to easily handle that |
| 22:52.29 | uso | no :) |
| 22:53.18 | uso | i've tried a lot on upgrading to 2.0, i even use the smaller textures from 1.10 to get every fps .. |
| 22:53.52 | Chestal | on my office PC where I used to play, I have oooold ATI, no hardware acceleration at all (at least not with my XFree setup) |
| 22:54.07 | Chestal | the new font renderer killed the little performance I had totally |
| 22:54.19 | Chestal | but the btmap font renderer in 2.0 works ok for that setup |
| 22:54.38 | Chestal | bascically every feature turned off, low red, low color depth |
| 22:55.12 | Chestal | I'm not sure why the 9200 has problems with the font texture stuff |
| 22:55.24 | Chestal | but I have no real knowledge in that area |
| 22:56.28 | Chestal | usign different comielr switches won't help you, though |
| 22:56.28 | bryjen | some people claim ATI suffers from poor drivers |
| 22:56.51 | Mr_Molez | i love the ati drivers. maybe update drivers ? |
| 22:57.04 | Mr_Molez | a new driver has not long since been released |
| 22:57.23 | Chestal | anyway, bedtime, have to get up early :-( |
| 23:01.32 | uso | fnacy new effects on exploding and respaning tanks and shots |
| 23:01.38 | uso | how can i disable this? |
| 23:01.59 | trepan | effects menu |
| 23:03.19 | uso | oh nooo :) |
| 23:03.34 | uso | is there an explanation of all this stuff anywhere? |
| 23:04.14 | uso | or which settings get back the 2.0.2 behaviour? |
| 23:04.20 | uso | all off? |
| 23:05.43 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:08.16 | uso | ok, thanks :) |
| 23:08.56 | uso | nice small mousebox, well done, new stuff for the mouse acceleration discussion ;(( |
| 23:09.20 | menotume | :( |
| 23:09.35 | CBG | Anyone got any recommendations/heard anything about covering an iPod Nano to prevent scratching? |
| 23:09.47 | uso | there should really be a limit for the acceleration as it is for the velocity as well |
| 23:10.32 | uso | and it should be in the standard, not set different on each server so you have adapt to it wherever you play |
| 23:10.56 | menotume | good idea :) |
| 23:11.25 | uso | yeah, but nobody does it ;) |
| 23:11.39 | uso | or the majority of the devs play with mouse sccel |
| 23:11.45 | uso | *accel |
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| 23:17.10 | Silent_Swan | hmm... latest cvs (as of 10 min ago): checking for suffix of executables... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of executables: cannot compile and link |
| 23:17.20 | Silent_Swan | on MacOS |
| 23:21.09 | Silent_Swan | hmmm... looks like the conftest directory didn't remove completely... removed it... seems to be working |
| 23:25.21 | uso | and the nice red tank as menu cursor is gone :( |
| 23:31.46 | uso | colored serverlist is really nice, but the new icons in the menus are ugly ;) |
| 23:32.45 | blast007 | the menu system wasn't designed for fancy icons |
| 23:33.09 | uso | so why they are there then?? |
| 23:33.25 | uso | superfluid :) |
| 23:34.05 | uso | lol, make a global switch for this please |
| 23:34.11 | uso | fancy on/off :) |
| 23:34.18 | blast007 | ... |
| 23:34.35 | blast007 | I said the menu system WASN'T designed for fancy icons |
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| 23:34.45 | blast007 | therefore, they are just letters iirc |
| 23:34.59 | JeffM2501 | that was a damn good movie :) |
| 23:35.07 | uso | no, i mean the new icons behind the team e.g. |
| 23:35.10 | trepan | no spoilers... |
| 23:35.19 | JeffM2501 | it's good |
| 23:35.22 | JeffM2501 | you'll like it |
| 23:35.31 | trepan | uso: if you don't like them, delele *icon*png from your data dir |
| 23:35.49 | uso | what does the star in the first column of the serverlist for? |
| 23:35.55 | trepan | that's the game mode |
| 23:36.21 | uso | and get a bunch of error messages on startup? |
| 23:36.36 | uso | oops, thought all servers had an star |
| 23:36.41 | JeffM2501 | the ball of tar get put up ok? |
| 23:36.51 | blast007 | uso: ah, thought you were referring to the server list |
| 23:37.32 | uso | no, the server list is ok blast :) |
| 23:37.35 | blast007 | k |
| 23:37.51 | uso | trepan: all my servers have a star at the beginning |
| 23:38.05 | trepan | uso: you really haven't figured it out yet? |
| 23:38.20 | uso | shouldn't be there different symbols for the modes? |
| 23:38.31 | trepan | no, alignment problems |
| 23:38.57 | uso | ouch, got it :) |
| 23:39.04 | uso | too many colors there |
| 23:39.27 | uso | it looked as the stars have the same color as the server name |
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| 23:40.03 | uso | differnet symbols would hav made it easier |
| 23:40.17 | uso | c f r or so |
| 23:40.59 | trepan | uso: animated people jumping out of the symbol as it's selected and screaming the bloody game mode would have made it more clear too |
| 23:41.35 | trepan | you have something useful to contribute? |
| 23:43.11 | trepan | oops, went off a bit there, sry, need sleep |
| 23:43.41 | uso | could be both, symbol and color |
| 23:44.01 | uso | trepan: sorry, the serverlist is really something is better in 2.0.4 |
| 23:44.08 | uso | *that is |
| 23:44.30 | uso | could (optical) filter out all the red servers :) |
| 23:46.11 | uso | and sorry again, now i got your alignment problems, this is not a fixed width font |
| 23:47.04 | trepan | you can try Chestal's original mode too, /localset listIcons 0 |
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| 23:50.07 | CBG | Hey RPG_ ! :) |
| 23:50.12 | RPG_ | HEY cbg |
| 23:50.17 | RPG_ | heh reverse caps |
| 23:50.18 | CBG | hello _bubbles_ too :P |
| 23:50.23 | CBG | lol. :) |
| 23:50.45 | RPG_ | CBG: your <span>'s are in masterbot now |
| 23:51.01 | RPG_ | i'm trying to convert all my <font>'s to <span>'s, just 'cause i like standards |
| 23:51.10 | CBG | Wooooohooooo! :) |
| 23:51.21 | CBG | It probably won't work in IE now... :) |
| 23:51.30 | CBG | but nobody uses that now anyway, right? :) |
| 23:51.38 | RPG_ | nope :) |
| 23:52.01 | RPG_ | is <center> out too? |
| 23:52.09 | RPG_ | I always used <center> |
| 23:52.41 | CBG | That is deffinately out. |
| 23:52.45 | RPG_ | awww |
| 23:52.48 | uso | trepan: the coloring scheme is more difficult to understand than, coloring the server description according to the shots is more usefull to me, thanks |
| 23:52.50 | RPG_ | what's the replacement |
| 23:52.53 | CBG | As is <b>, <i>, etc. |
| 23:52.59 | RPG_ | <b> and <i> are out? |
| 23:53.03 | CBG | Use CSS FOR ALL THOSE THINGS. |
| 23:53.06 | CBG | YES!!! |
| 23:53.06 | RPG_ | wow I havn't been keeping up with my standards |
| 23:53.10 | CBG | no you have not. |
| 23:53.14 | RPG_ | bad RPG_ |
| 23:53.18 | CBG | yes. |
| 23:54.03 | CBG | Use CSS for it all... |
| 23:54.11 | RPG_ | what about <hr>? |
| 23:54.19 | CBG | Thats cool. :) |
| 23:54.23 | RPG_ | phew |
| 23:54.39 | CBG | But for XHTML you have to close single tags 9tags that dont have cloing tags)/ |
| 23:54.41 | blast007 | use <hr /> |
| 23:54.51 | CBG | so with XHTML <hr> is now <hr /> |
| 23:54.56 | CBG | as blast007 said :) |
| 23:54.59 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:55.01 | RPG_ | never ventured into XHTML |
| 23:55.04 | RPG_ | HTML works fine |
| 23:55.10 | CBG | Its mot much differernt from what I see... |
| 23:55.21 | CBG | but I think I use a strange mix... :/ |
| 23:55.21 | RPG_ | 'cept those annoying end-slashes |
| 23:56.05 | CBG | CSS is easy. :) |
| 23:56.14 | RPG_ | menn |
| 23:56.15 | RPG_ | mennh |
| 23:56.19 | RPG_ | it takes time getting used to |
| 23:56.32 | CBG | <center> would now be something like <span style="text-alugn:center;">center text...... here. </span> |
| 23:56.41 | RPG_ | ok |
| 23:56.46 | blast007 | align* |
| 23:56.48 | RPG_ | <center> was like my 2nd brohter |
| 23:56.58 | CBG | thanks blast007 :) |
| 23:56.59 | blast007 | and you would probably have to use a div, not a span |
| 23:57.10 | blast007 | spans don't cover the entire width of the page/area |
| 23:57.36 | CBG | That is true. :) |
| 23:57.41 | RPG_ | CBG: your center thing doens't work |
| 23:57.42 | TD-Linux | I've had problems when you try to use spans and <br>, don't try it, use a div instead |
| 23:57.51 | CBG | Unless you used width:100% too, right? |
| 23:57.54 | TD-Linux | style="text-align:center" |
| 23:58.01 | TD-Linux | or like this |
| 23:58.11 | CBG | TD-Linux: divs use more than one line... |
| 23:58.15 | blast007 | CBG: maybe, but I'd still use divs |
| 23:58.22 | RPG_ | wow |
| 23:58.29 | CBG | for aligning, sure. |
| 23:58.32 | TD-Linux | style="text-align:center;color:blue;text-decoration:bold;" |
| 23:58.33 | CBG | but otherwise you should use spans. |
| 23:58.35 | RPG_ | I learend HTML, like 3 years ago? |
| 23:58.44 | RPG_ | back then, that stuff was in |
| 23:58.49 | CBG | a div is a container... its designed to hold multi-lines |
| 23:58.49 | blast007 | spans are good for adjusting part of a paragraph |
| 23:58.50 | TD-Linux | want to make your log files shorter? |
| 23:58.55 | TD-Linux | watch this |
| 23:59.01 | CBG | RPG_ me too, but i keep with the times. :P |
| 23:59.15 | TD-Linux | <style type="text/css"> |
| 23:59.17 | RPG_ | TD-Linux; my next action is to make Masterbot dump small text-file logs, then have Masterbot convert them to HTML when they're requestsred |
| 23:59.26 | TD-Linux | cool |
| 23:59.31 | CBG | TD-Linux: decoration:bold ...? huh? |
| 23:59.39 | CBG | you mean font-weight:bold right? |
| 23:59.40 | RPG_ | 'cause right now, the full HTML gets really big really fast |
| 23:59.45 | TD-Linux | oops, yeah |
| 23:59.45 | RPG_ | 30 secs of logging is 11 KB |
| 23:59.52 | CBG | :) |
| 23:59.54 | RPG_ | w/ 4 players |
