| 00:00.00 | Roxport | :) yep |
| 00:00.11 | Roxport | but has 4 ethernet ports in back as well |
| 00:00.14 | JeffM2501 | why don't you want debian to get out tot he net? |
| 00:00.18 | silverfox | yeah, so the easiest way is to log into the wap and look at the mac addresses of connected clients. |
| 00:00.24 | dartman | i can see the list now btw |
| 00:00.28 | dartman | and a few messages |
| 00:00.28 | Roxport | no no, debian is on the net as we speak. |
| 00:00.36 | dartman | still taking a long time to fully load |
| 00:00.41 | Roxport | yeah.... |
| 00:00.41 | Roxport | slow |
| 00:00.46 | silverfox | then add the said mac into the filter list for allow and turn it back on. |
| 00:01.01 | silverfox | For some reason I've seen ifconfig misreport mac address (often) |
| 00:01.25 | silverfox | I use debian mostly. I don't know if this is due to debian or the driver for the nics I use, or linux in general. |
| 00:01.46 | dartman | k i'll PM... |
| 00:02.12 | dartman | even though it might take him a while to see the email |
| 00:02.15 | dartman | :/ |
| 00:02.17 | silverfox | JeffM2501, why haven't you answered my pix question? I heard you were omnicient. |
| 00:02.38 | JeffM2501 | dartman, check his profile, he my have posted other contact info |
| 00:02.41 | JeffM2501 | silverfox, what is a pix? |
| 00:02.58 | silverfox | lol... a hardware firewall. |
| 00:03.05 | bryjen | its a Cisco firewal box |
| 00:03.08 | JeffM2501 | does that answer your question :) |
| 00:03.16 | JeffM2501 | we use netscreens here |
| 00:03.48 | silverfox | not really, but it does give me enough confidence knowing that I know more about one thing than you, that I can probably go RTFM and figure it out. |
| 00:04.49 | JeffM2501 | you probably know many more things then I |
| 00:06.20 | silverfox | We use netscreens too. I wish I started a few years earlier. Netscreen is nothing more than iptables/linux on flash. |
| 00:06.45 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:06.50 | JeffM2501 | ours work decently well |
| 00:06.59 | JeffM2501 | I know minimal about seting them up tho |
| 00:07.02 | JeffM2501 | not my dept |
| 00:07.21 | silverfox | We don't have any trouble with them. big return with very little investment. |
| 00:07.26 | silverfox | I wish I had thought of it. |
| 00:07.51 | *** join/#bzflag dartman (n=dartman@adsl-70-240-89-52.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 00:08.50 | JeffM2501 | IT is not may main area of expertiese |
| 00:09.33 | dartman | uh...back i guess |
| 00:09.42 | dartman | and not using a web browser... |
| 00:10.00 | dartman | so loading and stuff is fine |
| 00:10.07 | dartman | so yeah i PMed met on the forums |
| 00:10.28 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (i=creeperz@host-148-144-230-24.midco.net) |
| 00:10.40 | dartman | hey creepers |
| 00:10.54 | creeperz | hey |
| 00:12.41 | dartman | yeah so i'm just hoping he gets my PM or the email notification soon enough |
| 00:12.57 | creeperz | for what? |
| 00:13.11 | dartman | new map |
| 00:13.16 | dartman | or revised old one |
| 00:13.25 | creeperz | what map? |
| 00:13.29 | dartman | he hosts my maps |
| 00:13.39 | dartman | although not that much :P |
| 00:13.41 | dartman | i'll link |
| 00:14.26 | dartman | scroll down to see the revisions and stuff |
| 00:14.27 | dartman | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4609 |
| 00:14.37 | dartman | ducatiwannabe even posted some screenshots |
| 00:14.55 | dartman | it's a really simple map |
| 00:15.01 | dartman | should be a lot of fun though |
| 00:15.24 | dartman | ...holy crap i've been sending a lot of messges X_X |
| 00:16.00 | *** join/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 00:16.09 | dartman | hey other SS |
| 00:17.27 | *** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 00:17.31 | Silent_Swan | *sigh* that was nice |
| 00:17.38 | dartman | yup... |
| 00:17.45 | Silent_Swan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.52 | Silent_Swan | hah |
| 00:17.53 | Silent_Swan | life |
| 00:18.16 | Silent_Swan | considering if i should just start my server again... since i've nothing else to do with my time |
| 00:18.31 | Silent_Swan | nah.. |
| 00:18.47 | Roxport | silverfox: caps lock and scroll lock are blinking while netinstall debian. |
| 00:18.51 | Silent_Swan | just f'ed a chance at a 90k/year job |
| 00:18.56 | creeperz | uugh |
| 00:19.08 | creeperz | never eat a bunch of homemade salsa then choclate lucky charms :-/ |
| 00:19.12 | Silent_Swan | destiny, fate, all that |
| 00:19.24 | dartman | weird creeperz |
| 00:19.25 | Silent_Swan | creeperz that's disgusting |
| 00:19.29 | dartman | i take your advice :P |
| 00:19.43 | creeperz | he who doesnt is a fool |
| 00:19.51 | creeperz | truely, a fool |
| 00:19.58 | dartman | so your a fool :P |
| 00:20.18 | creeperz | no, I didnt have any advice to give my self in advance |
| 00:20.33 | creeperz | so I'm considered to be a fool for not taking advice that I never gave myself :-P |
| 00:20.58 | dartman | then your your own fool, creeperz |
| 00:21.01 | dartman | :P |
| 00:21.10 | creeperz | hehe |
| 00:21.13 | creeperz | yup |
| 00:22.11 | Silent_Swan | never seen a swan plummet to the ground |
| 00:22.45 | Silent_Swan | need to get out of the house. go for a drive. maybe i'll get lucky and get run over by a truck |
| 00:22.46 | Silent_Swan | bye |
| 00:23.20 | Aribeth | geez, she took a nose dive |
| 00:25.26 | dartman | you see the map creeperz? |
| 00:26.37 | brlcad | such melodramatic sadness |
| 00:28.27 | brlcad | Pimpinella: it is a bit messy, it should probably all be refactored into a GameMatch class of some sort that has methods for pause/countdown/stop etc |
| 00:29.23 | brlcad | it was on bzg's original 'todo' list (unbenownst to her maybe..) but just one of those things that hasn't been revisited yet |
| 00:31.23 | Roxport | silverfox? |
| 00:34.47 | JeffM2501 | you smell like dawn |
| 00:35.06 | bryjen | pledge. for the polishing |
| 00:35.10 | Aribeth | eww |
| 00:35.18 | Aribeth | wax buildup |
| 00:42.12 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@68.50.155.230) |
| 00:46.20 | BenUrban | what release is near? |
| 00:46.27 | BenUrban | 2.0.4? |
| 00:46.39 | menotume | 2.0.172 |
| 00:46.43 | BenUrban | ... |
| 00:46.44 | Roxport | xbox release? lol |
| 00:48.01 | blast007 | 2.0.4 |
| 00:48.04 | BenUrban | thank you |
| 00:48.36 | Roxport | cool |
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| 00:51.52 | menotume | brlcad: yes, anything to reduce the inline code in bzfs.cxx |
| 00:53.39 | Qbeep | I've heard say that there's new object stealth features in the latest rc. Is this true? |
| 00:55.04 | trepan | Qbeep: the new drawing objects have been doc'ed in bzw.5 |
| 00:55.31 | trepan | (although you won't find them very useful without a preprocessing program) |
| 00:55.54 | Qbeep | Preprocessing is no prob |
| 00:56.40 | trepan | the prog. isn't currently available ;) |
| 00:57.24 | Qbeep | doesn't necessarily stop me from synthesizing somehting temporary |
| 01:04.53 | creeperz | FEAR is gonig to be the best game ever :-P |
| 01:04.58 | creeperz | until UT2K7 |
| 01:08.48 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (n=frank@p5481BD46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:27.42 | silverfox | if I have a zone (size 100 100 10) that I want all good flags to spawn in (and no where else), how do I do that? |
| 01:28.37 | silverfox | "flag good" will say only good flags can spawn inside, but it doesn't say that they can't spawn outside the zone. |
| 01:28.43 | silverfox | is there a sort of "inversed" zone? |
| 01:30.13 | silverfox | Or maybe if I made another zone that specified no flags that was size (400 400 10) , and placed it before, would the 100x100 zone overlap the larger zone? |
| 01:30.59 | blast007 | try not adding any flags in the conf |
| 01:31.25 | blast007 | then just add them in the zone |
| 01:31.31 | trepan | "flag good" will say good flags _will_ spawn inside, iirc |
| 01:32.16 | trepan | blast007: dedicate zone flags is not yet a feature |
| 01:34.35 | blast007 | k |
| 01:34.36 | silverfox | ah, ok. No flags in config. I'll try that. |
| 01:35.00 | blast007 | no, trepan is more than likely right on this matter |
| 01:35.41 | silverfox | I did flag good, but flags still spawned outside the area. |
| 01:35.46 | silverfox | tanks did not however. |
| 01:38.34 | trepan | silverfox: bzfs version? can you provide the map with 'flag good' that isn't working (and its config)? |
| 01:39.54 | trepan | my test: http://trepan.homelinux.net/flags.bzw |
| 01:42.21 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (n=SportChi@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 01:42.39 | trepan | SportChick: you run bzflag with vsync enabled? |
| 01:43.02 | SportChick | trepan: how do I check that? |
| 01:43.17 | trepan | beats me, prolly depends on your video driver |
| 01:43.30 | trepan | do whatever it is you windows folks do to check those things ;) |
| 01:43.33 | SportChick | one sec - let me see if i can figure it out |
| 01:43.43 | SportChick | trepan: you know me - I'm not techy |
| 01:44.17 | trepan | ok, i'm gonna suggest that you figure out how to disable it |
| 01:44.30 | trepan | (assuming it's on) |
| 01:44.42 | trepan | you'll be trading stuttering for tearing |
| 01:44.47 | Thumper_ | in X... my desktop res is 1600x1200. Can I start bzflag in full screen mode and get 1024x768 instead of 1600x1200 somehow? |
| 01:45.30 | SportChick | tearing? |
| 01:45.35 | Thumper_ | without manually changing the res via options/display/change video format |
| 01:45.42 | silverfox | trepan, my test: http://elite.tybox.net/mapwiki.bzw |
| 01:45.44 | trepan | Thunper_: use -geometry |
| 01:45.48 | silverfox | silvercat.tybox.net:5151 |
| 01:45.56 | Thumper_ | does that work with full screen (I don't want a window) |
| 01:46.22 | trepan | silverfox: and your config? there are no flags in 'options' |
| 01:46.40 | Thumper_ | nope. comes up with 1600x1200 |
| 01:47.57 | trepan | Thumper_: ah, could be a bug then, i'm seem to get the same |
| 01:48.00 | silverfox | no bad flags specified. |
| 01:48.02 | SportChick | trepan: I found this, but am not sure where to find the pertinent config files: If you are looking to boost your frame rate in 3D games or benchmark programs and not concerned about image quality loss, try disabling the VSYNC or “wait for vertical synchronization” setting. This setting is found in your video card’s direct 3D and OpenGL settings. |
| 01:48.45 | silverfox | ie, no +f bad, or +f RO or anything like that. |
| 01:48.46 | SportChick | trepan: I believe we went through the process of turning that off previously. but I don't remember who helped me. I just remember it was one of the things we tried with my original jitter problem |
| 01:49.06 | trepan | silverfox: your config? |
| 01:49.47 | silverfox | trepan, http://elite.tybox.net/mapwiki.conf |
| 01:50.09 | blast007 | SportChick: what video card? |
| 01:50.20 | blast007 | an nVidia? |
| 01:50.34 | trepan | silverfox: you know what -s and +s do? |
| 01:50.39 | silverfox | trepan, you can edit the mapfile at http://elite.tybox.net/mapwiki.pl |
| 01:51.04 | SportChick | blast007: nvidia geforce fx go5700 |
| 01:51.10 | trepan | silverfox: try '-f bad' |
| 01:51.29 | blast007 | SportChick: k, let me check on my desktop PC |
| 01:51.38 | SportChick | blast007: ty! |
| 01:51.38 | silverfox | funny, its working now. |
| 01:51.53 | trepan | silverfox: or alternately, zone\n flag bad |
| 01:53.19 | blast007 | display properties, then to the settings tab, then to Advanced. From there, switch to the GeForce tab, then to "Performance & Quality Settings" |
| 01:53.49 | blast007 | (hopefully our drivers somewhat match up to) ;) |
| 01:54.03 | blast007 | but anyway, there is a setting called Vertical Sync |
| 01:54.26 | silverfox | trepan, hmph. Now I can connect, but can't spawn (client is non-responsive) |
| 01:54.38 | blast007 | click on that, and then remove the check next to Application Controlled, then set it to Off |
| 01:55.28 | silverfox | Player silverfox [0] drop, unresponsive with 16467 bytes queued |
| 01:55.36 | silverfox | Player silverfox [0] removed at 2005-09-29 01:54:55: send queue too big |
| 01:55.48 | SportChick | trepan: it was enabled. now it's off - I'm going to test |
| 01:55.52 | SportChick | blast007: tyvm |
| 01:55.55 | SportChick | ~blast++ |
| 01:55.56 | trepan | have you added a +f? |
| 01:55.58 | blast007 | SportChick: np :) |
| 01:56.23 | trepan | say +f good {>=40} ? |
| 01:57.09 | silverfox | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.27 | blast007 | that isn't 20 flags, that is 20 * flagtypes :) |
| 01:57.29 | silverfox | that's the only one though. |
| 01:57.36 | silverfox | oh... |
| 01:57.51 | SportChick | trepan: tried it with that off - it's actually worse |
| 01:58.18 | silverfox | works now. |
| 01:58.28 | silverfox | thanks much. ( I tink I've done this before...) |
| 02:00.28 | trepan | SportChick: you're on a laptop? |
| 02:01.02 | silverfox | stange, the majority of flags spawn in the zone, but some do not. |
| 02:03.05 | menotume | SportChick: i tried rc5 on my XP lappy today - it was fine |
| 02:04.06 | brlcad | what do folks think about this: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/automatic_icon.png |
| 02:04.49 | menotume | brlcad: nice one |
| 02:04.55 | brlcad | as a replacement of course |
| 02:05.05 | menotume | but, bug fixes only, that may create a bug :) |
| 02:05.13 | blast007 | lol |
| 02:05.16 | brlcad | it is fixing a bug :) |
| 02:05.19 | blast007 | I like it |
| 02:05.53 | trepan | brlcad: it's still light on dark |
| 02:06.10 | menotume | I vote yes on the "do you want to ban learner" :) |
| 02:06.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:06.18 | trepan | and can you bring the ? more to the front? |
| 02:06.31 | SportChick | trepan: yes, on lappy |
| 02:06.34 | brlcad | trepan: yeah |
| 02:06.37 | SportChick | same one I had all the jitter on before |
| 02:06.46 | trepan | buy a new one ;) |
| 02:09.00 | blast007 | another jitter issue? or just something similar? |
| 02:13.28 | brlcad | menotume: MrAC whipped that out many many moons ago before the polling system was completed |
| 02:23.11 | brlcad | how about http://bzflag.bz/tmp/automatic_icon2.png |
| 02:23.15 | *** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:25.29 | SportChick | trepan: it IS new - but if you want to GIVE me a "new" one, I'm open |
| 02:25.32 | brlcad | trepan: thoughts? |
| 02:25.38 | brlcad | too much? |
| 02:26.01 | trepan | it's still light on dark =) |
| 02:26.32 | brlcad | well i aint changing them all, so it's still matching the style of the other icons |
| 02:26.33 | trepan | but definitely better |
| 02:27.03 | trepan | the other icons are dark on light background |
| 02:27.27 | trepan | that's the only one that differs |
| 02:27.54 | brlcad | ahh |
| 02:28.10 | DTRemenak | http://saturos.de/projects/upload/files/auto3.png is the dark on light version |
| 02:28.14 | brlcad | that's fixable |
| 02:29.16 | trepan | SportChick: dunno what to tell ya, i know i get some nasty stuttering (double images) when i fall under my vsync rate, that's why i made the suggesting |
| 02:40.55 | *** part/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:42.30 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 02:49.47 | brlcad | how about http://bzflag.bz/tmp/automatic_icon3.png |
| 02:50.54 | trepan | more '?' ? |
| 02:51.01 | trepan | (but again, better) |
| 02:51.55 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:52.08 | trepan | brlcad: ew, have you tried viewing it in bz? |
| 02:52.17 | brlcad | of course not |
| 02:52.48 | trepan | needs a good bit more ? |
| 02:53.18 | brlcad | is the gamma different? |
| 02:53.26 | brlcad | i haven't been saving png's with gamma |
| 02:53.49 | trepan | does bz care? |
| 02:54.02 | brlcad | that's what I am asking :) |
| 02:54.14 | trepan | don't think so |
| 03:07.12 | brlcad | how about http://bzflag.bz/tmp/automatic_icon4.png |
| 03:08.01 | *** join/#bzflag jomojo (n=jomojo@c-24-17-68-130.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:09.13 | jomojo | ~seen quol |
| 03:09.17 | ibot | quol <n=Q@modemcable040.108-201-24.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 23h 50m 25s ago, saying: 'g;night all...always fun talking to you all :)'. |
| 03:11.05 | trepan | brlcad: i darkened the ? even more, it helped |
| 03:11.19 | trepan | the yellow needs more saturation to show up in bz |
| 03:12.37 | brlcad | hmm |
| 03:13.01 | *** join/#bzflag SiriusB (n=SiriusB@178.Red-83-52-60.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 03:13.49 | trepan | purple might show better ;) |
| 03:18.19 | trepan | http://trepan.homelinux.net/automatic_icon.png |
| 03:21.14 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/automatic_icon5.png |
| 03:23.31 | brlcad | and http://bzflag.bz/tmp/automatic_icon6.png |
| 03:27.10 | brlcad | i tried purple, wasn't too impressed |
| 03:27.22 | brlcad | plus wouldn't wanna upset all the rogue players.. :) |
| 03:27.37 | brlcad | teamplay colors are represented |
| 03:32.21 | trepan | http://trepan.homelinux.net/automatic_icon.png (refresh) |
| 03:32.37 | trepan | hardened the lines a bit to compensate for the texture filtering |
| 03:43.51 | stevek__ | interesting problem in bzadmin from cvs... someone names hayduke (also is [nr], but not sure if that is part of the problem) appears as "$^K~K (^K~K G~R ^B" |
| 03:43.58 | stevek__ | names=named |
| 03:44.17 | stevek__ | i had to give someone the ip address and ask them to look up the real name for me |
| 03:46.17 | sgk284 | actually, doing a playerlist gives you the real name too, just realized that |
| 03:48.23 | sgk284 | heh and elrond just joined and its saying he is "\ufffft¿\ufffft¿G~R\uffff^B" |
| 03:48.57 | sgk284 | going to look into that now, but if anyone has any suggestions please speak up |
| 03:49.38 | jpa- | sgk284!! |
| 03:50.38 | sgk284 | hey jpa- !! |
| 03:50.48 | sgk284 | shouldnt you be asleep? |
| 03:50.52 | jpa- | no |
| 03:50.54 | sgk284 | its like 4:00 am where you are |
| 03:50.55 | jpa- | i should be awake |
| 03:50.58 | jpa- | 6:50 |
| 03:51.14 | sgk284 | eh i was close:) |
| 03:51.31 | sgk284 | go back to sleep, you'll appreciate it later :) |
| 03:51.47 | jpa- | no i will not, not when i'm late for school |
| 03:55.31 | jpa- | ..while i could say "sgk284 told me to sleep!" |
| 03:58.11 | sgk284 | lol |
| 03:58.28 | sgk284 | well then shouldnt you be off irc and getting ready? :) |
| 03:58.33 | sgk284 | have a good day |
| 03:58.42 | jpa- | nah |
| 03:58.43 | sgk284 | i'm about to go to sleep |
| 03:58.49 | jpa- | how could i when you are here? |
| 04:00.02 | sgk284 | haha |
| 04:00.05 | sgk284 | thanks ;) |
| 04:00.40 | sgk284 | in a few hours you'll be getting home from school and i'll be waking up, you'll see me on again |
| 04:01.48 | jpa- | byee |
| 04:02.02 | sgk284 | cya |
| 04:05.24 | trepan | that some kinda voodoo thang? |
| 04:06.07 | brlcad | sortaish |
| 04:11.01 | *** join/#bzflag awelux__ (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-131-023.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:14.32 | brlcad | there we go.. much better |
| 04:15.41 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/automatic_icon8.png |
| 04:16.16 | brlcad | gives more emphasis on the randomness, which was the whole point anyways -- yet gives you that ? hint |
| 04:16.44 | brlcad | worked pretty well for various stretchings here |
| 04:20.59 | brlcad | anyone care to comment/object before I commit it? |
| 04:22.07 | sgk284 | i like it |
| 04:22.09 | sgk284 | :) |
| 04:25.26 | orange | purty |
| 04:25.37 | orange | I object to the lack of orange in the picture, but that's OK |
| 04:25.50 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:29.04 | *** join/#bzflag purple_cow (n=david@zero.navi.cx) |
| 04:29.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 04:29.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/automatic_icon.png: redo the automatic team icon to intently imply that there is some sort of automatic/random selection going to be made and not that the '?' mark is something that should be selected to get information. |
| 04:31.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Automatic team icon. keller provided the base template along with polish ideas from someone who's woefully albiet intentionally unlisted |
| 04:38.51 | menotume | nice, is that the help button ? |
| 04:39.23 | brlcad | yes, yes it is |
| 04:39.30 | menotume | perfect then ! |
| 04:39.51 | brlcad | hmm.. i'm getting an invalid parse error on radar.png |
| 04:40.02 | brlcad | anyone else get that? what's it used for? |
| 04:40.10 | menotume | no, and i don't know |
| 04:40.36 | brlcad | looks like a 1x256 image |
| 04:40.42 | menotume | yes |
| 04:41.09 | menotume | like an orange to blue fade |
| 04:43.22 | menotume | ohhh, maybe for fast sort |
| 04:43.32 | menotume | the colors for the different levels |
| 04:44.21 | menotume | yes, that's what it is |
| 04:44.35 | menotume | works for me thoug, so you do 'make install' ? |
| 04:44.37 | menotume | :P |
| 04:45.16 | menotume | brlcad: did you do 'make install' ? |
| 04:45.33 | trepan | brlcad: ever used fast radar mode? |
| 04:45.45 | brlcad | it 'works' .. i'm just getting that error in an image program so I'm just trying to verify it's not something libpng is going to choke on for some given platform causing obscure crashes |
| 04:46.15 | menotume | ahh |
| 04:46.56 | brlcad | problem solved! |
| 04:47.09 | menotume | how would any1 else get that error ? |
| 04:47.10 | menotume | hmmm |
| 04:47.14 | menotume | bedtime for me |
| 04:47.28 | trepan | brlcad: radar.png was made in gimp2.0 |
| 04:47.47 | menotume | miagemagik handled it |
| 04:47.53 | menotume | ImageMagik |
| 04:48.18 | brlcad | photoshop doesn't complain either, so I doubt it's a problem.. |
| 04:48.26 | brlcad | (famous first words) |
| 04:48.30 | menotume | heh |
| 04:49.11 | menotume | g'nite all ... RC17 tomorrow ? |
| 04:50.07 | brlcad | RC16's are more fun to drive and easier to find |
| 04:55.26 | Legoguy | hmm, wow. long time since ive played bzflag... im back |
| 04:55.54 | uso | any admin at viper here? |
| 04:56.00 | uso | intentional tk'er |
| 04:56.08 | Legoguy | i think im an admin, at least a cop |
| 04:56.09 | Legoguy | heh |
| 04:56.22 | uso | Law of diminishing return |
| 04:56.59 | menotume | he signed off as soon as i joined :) |
| 04:57.12 | uso | :) |
| 04:58.18 | Legoguy | pff |
| 04:58.35 | Legoguy | im compiling bzflag anyhow, heh |
| 04:58.50 | Legoguy | was awful jerky with compilation going in the background :| |
| 04:59.52 | menotume | uso: i banned him for 24h |
| 05:01.22 | menotume | hello legoguy ! |
| 05:01.26 | menotume | and g'nite |
| 05:01.34 | Legoguy | hi, night :P |
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| 05:58.51 | brlcad | ahh.. apparently gimp2 is outputting a png with a gamma=0 which libpng warns about (and that image program was treating as an error) |
| 05:59.26 | brlcad | "Ignoring gAMA chunk with gamma=0" was spewing in my system log |
| 05:59.42 | sgk284 | anyone in here running bzadmin from cvs? |
| 05:59.52 | sgk284 | i just want to verify a bug |
| 06:00.01 | sgk284 | make sure its not just something finicky on my system |
| 06:00.34 | sgk284 | i've tracked down what i believe is the source of the bug and should be able to committ a fix, but just want to make sure others are experiencing the problem |
| 06:01.12 | sgk284 | essentially, log on to a server like secretplace, i think it only affects servers that you have admin access too though |
| 06:01.44 | sgk284 | when another person joins, see if it says "callsign has joined from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" or "asdewrqefef has joined from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" |
| 06:01.53 | sgk284 | where the second one is garbled text |
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| 06:02.40 | sgk284 | after that initial garbled entry though, everything goes to normal |
| 06:02.52 | sgk284 | i.e. playerlist or when that person is killed or kills someone |
| 06:04.28 | sgk284 | eh.. i guess noone is around i'll try again tomorrow morning :) |
| 06:04.51 | SportChick | sorry sgk |
| 06:05.02 | SportChick | they all went silent a while ago |
| 06:05.21 | Tupone | hi SportChick |
| 06:05.31 | Aribeth | hummm...2 am eastren time |
| 06:05.40 | SportChick | hiya tupone |
| 06:05.47 | sgk284 | hey sporty :) |
| 06:05.50 | sgk284 | g' night |
| 06:06.00 | SportChick | gnight sgk |
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| 06:06.16 | brlcad | sgk284: if you're seeing garbled text, it's probably printing a null buffer or something similar |
| 06:07.29 | sgk284 | brlcad, running it through gdb though it seems fine... i.e. CallSignLength is 32 and all the callsigns are showing up as like "warf" followed by 27 null characters which is completely legit |
| 06:08.22 | sgk284 | if in gdb, i break at like 214 (i think thats the line) in BZAdminClient.cxx, i can print the callsign just fine |
| 06:08.46 | sgk284 | which makes sense because its put into player[p].name and that is used everywhere else in the code and works fine |
| 06:08.52 | SportChick | gnight all |
| 06:08.59 | brlcad | so more importantly.. what did you fine wrong then? |
| 06:09.03 | brlcad | g'night SportChick_sleep |
| 06:10.13 | sgk284 | well it got kind of late and i figured itd be best to verify it on someone elses system before digging too deep. The only wierd thing I found was that single quotes inside double quotes were escaped, i.e. "*** '" was "*** \'" |
| 06:10.34 | sgk284 | so i suppose the problem is somewhere further down the chain... |
| 06:10.48 | sgk284 | the escaping did seem to be responsible for a small issue, but not the garbled text |
| 06:10.55 | brlcad | so.. then you don't actually have anything to commit then |
| 06:11.27 | brlcad | :) |
| 06:11.43 | sgk284 | eh well out of 2 problems, i've got one fixed:) |
| 06:11.57 | brlcad | it still sounds like memory corruption, which you may or may not find easily on another system |
| 06:12.05 | brlcad | if you see it, it's clearly wrong |
| 06:12.11 | brlcad | so might as well debug it |
| 06:12.30 | brlcad | or do that |
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| 06:12.35 | sgk284 | ugh... |
| 06:12.37 | sgk284 | sorry |
| 06:13.14 | sgk284 | the thing is though that at any later time, i.e. if the palyer kills someone, the name prints out normal and the name is being pulled from the same var |
| 06:14.24 | sgk284 | my line earlier about "i should be able to committ a fix" was more of a hopeful prediction that i'd track down the problem :) |
| 06:14.42 | brlcad | i gathered that ;) |
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| 06:15.21 | brlcad | might as well find the problem, or at least what seems to be the problem .. then it'll be more obvious to someone else whether it's worth risking a commit now to fix it or if it's trivial |
| 06:16.01 | sgk284 | sgk284 is '\uffff\uffff\uffff\uffff\uffff~N\uffff\uffff^A' when i join in bzadmin :) |
| 06:16.03 | brlcad | if it's a memory bug, it should be relatively obvious to someone else if you can track down the problem |
| 06:16.10 | sgk284 | okay |
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| 06:59.53 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
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| 07:21.15 | ToughShooter | Hmm, somehow radar and hud consistancy is broken |
| 07:23.57 | ToughShooter | http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4510/bzfi00011kc.jpg <- Does this look like it works? :o |
| 07:24.46 | trepan | drawInfo gfx only show with fast radar |
| 07:26.49 | trepan | as well, that particular map is also setup to cull the objects on radar if you zoom out (the last lod is empty) |
| 07:29.43 | ToughShooter | I wonder about the edges of map displayed different on radar than on HUD. It also happens with radar style "fast" |
| 07:32.39 | trepan | ah, see what you mean |
| 07:32.44 | trepan | did you flip the observer controls around? |
| 07:32.50 | ToughShooter | When I joined off I also got no text for menus in main menu |
| 07:33.22 | ToughShooter | then I choose the entry where join should be (I still had the tank at left side) and went back to main menu and got this: http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/848/bzfi00017na.png |
| 07:33.24 | trepan | sry, not the controls, but the viewing direction (ex: keep holding up arrow until you flip) |
| 07:34.33 | ToughShooter | I changed height and viewing angle when observing |
| 07:34.37 | trepan | ctrl-up that is |
| 07:35.46 | ToughShooter | I used ctrl + up |
| 07:36.08 | trepan | ya, you probably flipped it then, not a big deal |
| 07:37.55 | ToughShooter | Do you mean this "jump" in viewing angle you can get? |
| 07:42.33 | ToughShooter | Wiered...when I changed radar style to fast beforre I joined I got this screenshot but after I restarted the client all objects show up |
| 07:51.07 | ruskie | http://ruskie.dtdm.org/gallery <-- album name bzflag... free-for-all to post bzflag related material |
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| 11:13.21 | trepan | trepan.bzflag.bz:5160 (cheap animation trick with dyncols) |
| 11:13.35 | trepan | (and a stupid number of un-lod'ed tris) |
| 11:18.25 | ruskie | hmmm need to go check that I guess |
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| 13:02.17 | Roxport | hello all. |
| 13:02.26 | gsnedders | hi |
| 13:03.05 | Roxport | can anyone advise on installing minimum debian in order to run bzfs? like what packages do i need. etc. i tried looking online. |
| 13:03.27 | Roxport | maybe i'm just not using the "right" search params at google or debian.org |
| 13:05.06 | brlcad | minimum? you need a kernel, a tcp/ip stack, and probably some sort of shell interpreter to exec bzfs |
| 13:05.44 | Roxport | ok |
| 13:05.45 | brlcad | unless you want to hack the kernel to just exec bzfs instead of init |
| 13:06.31 | Roxport | nah, not that minimal. i just don't need things like "kde-games" "openoffice" etc. I just want to use the command-line interface. |
| 13:06.53 | brlcad | bzfs has no special needs that come to mind |
| 13:06.57 | Roxport | then later i can add x-window packages, etc. and other window apps |
| 13:07.01 | Roxport | ok |
| 13:07.12 | brlcad | you'll need quite a bit more if you want to compile it too |
| 13:07.17 | Roxport | well i tried netinstall of debian but that seemed to fail. maybe dsl connection or whatever. |
| 13:07.23 | brlcad | like a compiler.. the gnu build system tools, etc |
| 13:07.26 | Roxport | trying CD install from .iso downloaded... |
| 13:07.35 | Roxport | ah, ok |
| 13:07.42 | Roxport | gcc, right? |
| 13:07.50 | brlcad | right |
| 13:08.24 | brlcad | the gbs tools have a handful of dependencies of their own too like perl, m4, awk and a few other goodies |
| 13:08.26 | blast007 | you'll want cURL too, and a curses library if you want a nice looking bzadmin |
| 13:08.51 | Roxport | yeah that sounds good |
| 13:09.48 | brlcad | Roxport: if you use apt, it'll do all the deps for you, I hope you know yes? |
| 13:10.47 | Roxport | yes, i know about apt, because that's one thing last night, i mean at that point in the netinst, things froze |
| 13:10.58 | Roxport | it was trying to load apt, so i looked it up. |
| 13:11.42 | Roxport | on google, etc. |
| 13:12.38 | Roxport | what's the difference between hostname and pointopoint? |
| 13:19.27 | Roxport | found answer: one's the name of the machine, the other is name of the connection. |
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| 13:25.08 | Grumbler | trepan, add it, then blame me........ |
| 13:25.14 | Grumbler | i can take it |
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| 13:26.13 | trepan | heh, i know you've been wanting a sync'ed network time... |
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| 13:31.42 | Grumbler | its been at the top of my list for some time |
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| 13:40.08 | Sporty_hungover | :-D |
| 13:41.01 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 13:48.58 | Roxport | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 13:49.05 | Roxport | this debian install crap is bugging me |
| 13:49.06 | Roxport | won't work |
| 13:55.14 | Roxport | what a royal pain in the ass, sorry for complinging. |
| 13:55.24 | Roxport | complaining, i mean. later |
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| 13:56.05 | SportChik_groggy | TRB: Sporty doesn't drink |
| 13:56.16 | TheRedBaron | oh |
| 13:56.24 | TheRedBaron | sorry :) |
| 13:56.53 | RedBaron2 | ~bonk trb |
| 13:56.55 | ibot | ACTION bonks trb over the head |
| 13:57.33 | TheRedBaron | bah... |
| 13:57.38 | SportChik_groggy | np, just thought I'd mention it |
| 13:57.46 | TheRedBaron | :-) |
| 13:58.13 | TheRedBaron | it just looked like an incompleted slippery slope |
| 13:58.32 | TheRedBaron | from sleeping, to groggy, to hungover :) |
| 13:58.54 | TheRedBaron | Its ok SC, i dont' drink either. |
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| 14:01.00 | Grumbler | it is LA afterall |
| 14:01.52 | TheRedBaron | speaking of LA... |
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| 14:02.28 | brlcad | SportChik_groggy: you do to drink, i've seen you drink |
| 14:02.50 | brlcad | .. tea .. coffee .. water.. |
| 14:03.01 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 14:03.47 | Grumbler | yes, but she didnt swallow (in the vein of "but i didnt inhale) |
| 14:03.50 | brlcad | thank you, thank you. I'm here all week. try the guacamole. |
| 14:04.19 | TheRedBaron | i don't go for greenstuff that smells like sour-cream |
| 14:04.46 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: real guacamole doesn't smell like sour-cream |
| 14:05.06 | brlcad | maybe store-bought junk |
| 14:05.28 | TheRedBaron | I like avocados! |
| 14:08.38 | brlcad | avocados, cilantro, lime juice, salt to taste with optional onion and tomato too |
| 14:08.48 | TheRedBaron | ok. I was thinking it was LA but its Vegas instead |
| 14:09.00 | TheRedBaron | brlcad, cilantro is straight from the garden of eden. |
| 14:09.47 | TheRedBaron | The homade guacamole i had, they used sour-cream as a base. |
| 14:09.51 | TheRedBaron | I abhore sourcream. |
| 14:09.56 | brlcad | that's just wrong |
| 14:10.00 | brlcad | no cream |
| 14:10.07 | Grumbler | sounds cuban |
| 14:10.40 | TheRedBaron | its not just cuban. |
| 14:10.56 | TheRedBaron | Puerto rican, Mexican, Jamaican |
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| 14:11.07 | Grumbler | i was talking the sour cream addition |
| 14:11.13 | TheRedBaron | oh. |
| 14:11.17 | Grumbler | not gwauck in general |
| 14:11.39 | TheRedBaron | ok |
| 14:11.41 | Grumbler | doesnt mean i am right |
| 14:13.16 | TheRedBaron | I love "mexican" food. |
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| 14:28.31 | Thumper_ | Good morning - what's the reasoning behind not allowing '-public' inside a world file options setting? -publicaddr and -port I can understand...but -public is the name of the map for the list server |
| 14:28.40 | Thumper_ | which I would think you want to change with every new world file you load |
| 14:31.52 | TheRedBaron | Thumper_, never underestimate the power of 1 vote :) |
| 14:31.53 | Thumper_ | would you accept a patch for that? |
| 14:31.53 | Thumper_ | if I bother to fix it? |
| 14:31.55 | trepan | heh, a patch for that ? |
| 14:31.56 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 14:31.56 | Thumper_ | i know you guys are busy... |
| 14:31.56 | Thumper_ | with more important things |
| 14:32.12 | trepan | i can't commit right now, but the change is done |
| 14:32.19 | Thumper_ | ah thanks! |
| 14:39.56 | Thumper_ | ~trepan++ |
| 14:40.34 | Thumper_ | while (1): ~trepan++ # :D |
| 14:41.49 | trepan | strange is the disconnect between effort and appreciation ;) |
| 14:46.10 | SportChik_groggy | brlcad: hehe |
| 14:46.35 | Thumper_ | trepan: well most of that loop comes from all the awesome graphics changes in 2.0 |
| 14:46.55 | SportChik_groggy | TheRedBaron: that's horrid! I'm a guacamole purist - sour cream has NO place in guac |
| 14:47.33 | Thumper_ | oh too late... I was just about to give SportChik_groggy a triple espresso |
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| 14:50.50 | TheRedBaron | SportChick, talk to my sister then. |
| 14:50.57 | TheRedBaron | She has the belief that sour cream goes in everything. |
| 14:51.26 | ruskie | yeah my mom to :) |
| 14:52.07 | SportChick | ick |
| 14:52.26 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 14:52.29 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 68F. |
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| 15:02.26 | meacan | morning multitume :) |
| 15:02.38 | TheRedBaron | they let anyone in here! |
| 15:02.40 | TheRedBaron | its no longer safe! |
| 15:02.48 | menotume | morning :) |
| 15:02.55 | menotume | whadda miss ? |
| 15:02.55 | jpa- | menoo |
| 15:03.06 | jpa- | you missed me, didn't you? |
| 15:03.22 | menotume | oh, uhhhhhhhhh ... why .... of course |
| 15:03.25 | menotume | :) |
| 15:04.17 | menotume | no rc6? is that a good sign ? |
| 15:04.17 | brlcad | can someone ping bzflag.bz .. do you see packet loss? |
| 15:04.47 | menotume | one sec |
| 15:04.53 | trepan | brlcad: no losses (20 pkts) |
| 15:05.17 | menotume | same here |
| 15:05.18 | meacan | same result here |
| 15:05.32 | menotume | consistant times, too 47ms |
| 15:05.46 | TheRedBaron | is it possible to explain to me, In generic comprehensive terms, how exactly the devs Compensated the mouse 'jitter' |
| 15:06.28 | TheRedBaron | for my insatiable curiosity? |
| 15:06.52 | menotume | yes, the relative gamma of the virtual beta was factored in the standard Gazorba Curve |
| 15:07.00 | meacan | oh |
| 15:07.15 | menotume | doh ! |
| 15:07.26 | meacan | what is this then: if( user == TheRedBaron ) { MaxSpeed = 50%; /*That wil teach him to use ME*/ } ? |
| 15:07.51 | menotume | shhhh |
| 15:08.08 | meacan | ah, right, gamma beata virtuals |
| 15:08.26 | TheRedBaron | your worse than David_V |
| 15:08.29 | menotume | have you seen my latest enhancement? http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=playerinfo&id=1368 |
| 15:08.59 | Grumbler | no loss, sitting around 65ms |
| 15:09.04 | meacan | haha :) |
| 15:09.15 | TheRedBaron | i guess romy was wrong |
| 15:09.17 | RedBaron2 | dang..thats a serious enhancement |
| 15:10.04 | TheRedBaron | What happened to your last mouse meno? this? http://gpsinformation.us/rita/cat-mouse.jpg |
| 15:10.21 | menotume | hehe, i saw that |
| 15:10.51 | menotume | my cat is so old, and so blind that she'd probably not even flinch if a mouse ran over her |
| 15:11.33 | brlcad | okay, thanks guys |
| 15:12.12 | TheRedBaron | I don't know if your enhancement can hold up to mine though. |
| 15:12.15 | TheRedBaron | http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=playerinfo&id=295 |
| 15:12.46 | trepan | can anyone join trepan.homelinux.net:5154 and just wait there for 20 secs? |
| 15:13.04 | meacan | menotume: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~raza/notamusedsaran.jpg <- so one solution for stopping cat from eating the mouse |
| 15:13.11 | trepan | (if you haven't crashed by then, it's all good :) |
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| 15:14.12 | Thumper_ | trepan: joining... |
| 15:14.23 | menotume | d/ling world :) |
| 15:14.46 | trepan | ah, sheesh, forgot that it's a big one without -cache |
| 15:15.01 | Thumper_ | menotome is jumping around |
| 15:15.06 | Thumper_ | menotume* |
| 15:17.12 | trepan | thanks guys |
| 15:22.54 | menotume | trepan: i shot the ball, and it exploded ... cool ! |
| 15:23.33 | Thumper_ | he did... the ball is gone ;) |
| 15:23.48 | menotume | hehe |
| 15:23.54 | Thumper_ | he did that before I showed up obviously |
| 15:24.27 | jpa- | thumpyy |
| 15:24.40 | menotume | meacan: lol, saran-wrapped kitty |
| 15:25.36 | Thumper_ | hi jpa |
| 15:30.27 | ruskie | http://ruskie.dtdm.org/gallery/ <-- album bzflag for all bzflag related stuff Free-for-all to post pics... |
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| 15:46.02 | anthanos2 | k, dumb newbie question, so feel free to point me to a forum link or something (i've searched i swear) - is it possible to download a map from a server for use in local only play (i.e. practice) ? |
| 15:46.13 | Thumper_ | yes |
| 15:46.20 | Thumper_ | in bzflag load the map |
| 15:46.34 | Thumper_ | then go to options/save world |
| 15:46.45 | Thumper_ | to save it to a file (although it some cases it doesn't seem to save everything correctly) |
| 15:46.53 | anthanos2 | somehow that seems too easy hah. thanks, i'll give it a shot |
| 15:46.57 | Thumper_ | then load that file with 'bzfs -world yourfile.bzw' |
| 15:47.02 | Thumper_ | or |
| 15:47.05 | Thumper_ | just start a server using the file |
| 15:47.11 | Thumper_ | from the bzflag start server option |
| 15:47.48 | Thumper_ | some worlds (like LouMan's Babylon IV) don't save properly this way |
| 15:48.02 | Thumper_ | but you can get that world file (and lots of others) on the bzbb board |
| 15:48.13 | anthanos2 | yah, biggest thing is im not sure of the map/world name :) |
| 15:48.40 | Thumper_ | saving it with bzflag will give you most of it |
| 15:48.43 | Thumper_ | it not all of it |
| 15:50.11 | Thumper_ | if* |
| 15:56.23 | anthanos2 | sweet, works like a charm |
| 15:56.27 | anthanos2 | thanks much Thumper_ |
| 15:56.30 | Thumper_ | wlcm |
| 15:56.39 | Thumper_ | and you can add bots to not get bored |
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| 15:56.48 | Thumper_ | but they aren't very challenging on jumping/climbing maps |
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| 16:14.53 | TheRedBaron | be nice to the ladies jpa- |
| 16:14.53 | Birdie | finally! |
| 16:15.14 | menotume | riskie: have you seen pics.bzleague.com ? |
| 16:15.29 | CBG | *ruskie? |
| 16:16.25 | menotume | ya, thx :) |
| 16:18.57 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 16:19.01 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 78F. |
| 16:20.15 | Aribeth | lol |
| 16:20.31 | CBG | jpa- haha. that is one in itself... |
| 16:20.33 | Aribeth | your comming down? |
| 16:20.46 | TheRedBaron | cbg, nin lives? |
| 16:20.56 | TheRedBaron | *nine |
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| 16:21.15 | Aribeth | hi Tupone |
| 16:21.21 | Tupone | hi Aribeth |
| 16:21.23 | Birdie | ciao |
| 16:21.24 | jpa- | TheRedBaron: CBG can't count that far.. so practically infinite lives |
| 16:21.26 | CBG | TheRedBaron: I think 2 left... |
| 16:21.35 | CBG | jpa- :( not today... :( |
| 16:21.42 | jpa- | sowwy |
| 16:21.58 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 16:22.02 | Menoness | ciao Tupone |
| 16:22.03 | SportyGal | Aribeth: hi |
| 16:22.10 | Aribeth | hi Sporty |
| 16:22.18 | Tupone | Menoness ???? |
| 16:22.25 | Menoness | ohh, hehe |
| 16:22.31 | Aribeth | yummmm coffeeeee! |
| 16:22.31 | Menoness | it is |
| 16:22.34 | Menoness | and hello |
| 16:22.42 | CBG | ahh :) |
| 16:22.48 | Tupone | general purpose greeting |
| 16:22.57 | Aribeth | just like aloha |
| 16:23.04 | Menoness | it also means purple and george |
| 16:23.20 | TheRedBaron | and "cheerio" |
| 16:23.23 | CBG | general purpose... like "'sup?"? ;0 |
| 16:23.36 | Tupone | is sup a greeting ? |
| 16:23.42 | CBG | TheRedBaron: cheerio does not mean hi and bye. just bye. |
| 16:23.45 | CBG | Tupone: sure :) |
| 16:24.13 | CBG | as in what's uo -> wassup-> 'sup ... :) |
| 16:24.20 | Tupone | I thought sup is something to eat |
| 16:24.21 | Menoness | sup: short for what's up? (wazzup) |
| 16:24.29 | Aribeth | .- .-.. --- .... .- |
| 16:24.33 | TheRedBaron | "sup" 'is' a greeting, but not a dissmisal |
| 16:24.35 | Menoness | that too |
| 16:24.46 | CBG | TheRedBaron: heh, says who? :) |
| 16:24.54 | CBG | Aribeth...? |
| 16:25.08 | Aribeth | translation .- .-.. --- .... .- = aloha in morse code |
| 16:25.16 | CBG | ah. :) |
| 16:25.21 | TheRedBaron | cbg, says the standard use. |
| 16:25.41 | CBG | TheRedBaron: standard? who defines that? :P lol. |
| 16:25.48 | Pimpinella | me! |
| 16:25.53 | Aribeth | .- a, .-.. l, --- o, .... h, .- a |
| 16:26.00 | TheRedBaron | CBG, the people |
| 16:26.16 | Pimpinella | i'm the one who defines standards |
| 16:26.17 | CBG | I am one of those... can I vote someplace for a change? :) |
| 16:26.25 | jpa- | Aribeth: next, please explain how one spells '.' and '-' :) |
| 16:26.27 | Pimpinella | no |
| 16:26.43 | CBG | lol jpa- |
| 16:26.51 | Aribeth | . = e, - = t |
| 16:26.58 | Pimpinella | . = bip, - = beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 16:27.06 | Aribeth | lol |
| 16:27.10 | CBG | :D |
| 16:27.16 | jpa- | nah nah, - = daw . = dit |
| 16:27.16 | Tupone | .... .. / .- .-. .. -... . - .... --..-- .-- .... .- - .----. ... / ..- .--. |
| 16:27.22 | Silent_Swan | oh hi SportyGal (sorry, was distracted) |
| 16:27.31 | SportyGal | Silent_Swan: hehe |
| 16:27.42 | Silent_Swan | --- -.. ..- --. --. . .-. |
| 16:27.48 | Pimpinella | hmpf |
| 16:28.04 | CBG | *saigh* |
| 16:28.08 | CBG | *sigh* * |
| 16:28.25 | TheRedBaron | i think my sound is broken, no bips or beeps. |
| 16:28.27 | jpa- | zbefr vf fghcvq naljnl |
| 16:28.40 | CBG | TheRedBaron: me too :( |
| 16:28.45 | SportyGal | .- .-. .. -... . - .... --..-- / -.-- --- ..- / .- .-. . / --- -. . / ... .. .-.. .-.. -.-- / .... .- -- -....- --- .--. . .-. .- - --- .-. |
| 16:29.09 | CBG | Most people here can speak normal english, ya know? |
| 16:29.14 | Tupone | lol, all against aribeth |
| 16:29.25 | Aribeth | heheheheheeeee |
| 16:29.51 | TheRedBaron | this is the internet! what is english? |
| 16:30.47 | Silent_Swan | oops, i screwed up 'b' (-...) |
| 16:30.50 | SportyGal | jpa-: now THAT made no sense whatsoever |
| 16:31.09 | CBG | -- --- ... - / .--. . --- .--. .-.. . / .... . .-. . / -.-. .- -. / ... .--. . .- -.- / -. --- .-. -- .- .-.. / . -. --. .-.. .. ... .... --..-- / -.-- .- / -.- -. --- .-- ..--.. |
| 16:31.18 | CBG | bah. damn smileys!! |
| 16:31.21 | TheRedBaron | sportygal, what did you expect? |
| 16:32.09 | CBG | .--- ..- ... - / .-- .... . -. / .. / .-- .- ... / --. . - - .. -. --. / ..- ... . -.. / - --- / -.-- . ... - . .-. -.. .- -.-- --..-- / .- .-.. --- -. --. / -.-. .- -- . / - --- -.. .- -.-- .-.-.- |
| 16:32.25 | SportyGal | -.-. -... --. ---... / -.-- . .- .... --..-- / -... ..- - / .-- .... .- - .----. ... / - .... . / ..-. ..- -. / .. -. / - .... .- - |
| 16:32.39 | Birdie | so this is what bzflagdiscussions look like;à) |
| 16:32.58 | CBG | ... .--. --- .-. - -.-- --. .- .-.. / . ...- . .-. -.-- --- -. . / -.-. .- -. / ..- -. -.. . .-. ... - .- -. -.. .-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.- |
| 16:33.10 | jpa- | -- - - - - - - - - - - -- -- - -- -- - -- -- - -- -- - -- - -- - - -- -- - - - -- - - - - -- -- -- -- - - -- - - -- - -- -- -- - - - -- - - - - - - - |
| 16:33.15 | menotume | Silent_Swan: ping |
| 16:33.34 | jpa- | mine is much more beautiful! |
| 16:33.47 | CBG | .--- .--. .- -....- / - .... .- - / -- .- -.- . / -. --- / ... . -. ... . .-.-.- |
| 16:34.49 | Silent_Swan | menotume ? |
| 16:34.53 | menotume | hey, this is a dev channel ! |
| 16:34.58 | menotume | please use binary :) |
| 16:35.21 | jpa- | "And in a moment of shudder, they all found /usr/games/morse" |
| 16:35.23 | menotume | Silent_Swan: I saw your pic on bzbb, may i post it at http://pics.bzleague.com ?? |
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| 16:36.19 | Silent_Swan | menotume no, i'd prefer not |
| 16:36.28 | menotume | ok, np |
| 16:36.30 | menotume | thx |
| 16:36.56 | SportyGal | ..- .... --- .... / .-- . / .... .- -.. / -... . - - . .-. / -... . .... .- ...- . / -. --- .-- / - .... .- - / .--- . ..-. ..-. -- ..--- ..... ----- .---- / .. ... / .... . .-. . |
| 16:38.26 | Silent_Swan | good lord, another ham? |
| 16:38.45 | menotume | CQ CQ CQ |
| 16:39.33 | Silent_Swan | i had a friend who was a serious ham... so many antennas on his car, it looked like a porcupine |
| 16:39.59 | Silent_Swan | and a whole wall of radios at home |
| 16:41.42 | Silent_Swan | lots of antique stuff, too |
| 16:42.23 | menotume | ahhh, tube radios :) |
| 16:42.41 | Silent_Swan | yeah... i remember that room being like 90F all the time |
| 16:43.08 | menotume | :) |
| 16:43.37 | menotume | I've got 3 old WWII radios buried deep in my parent's basement somewhere - they still worked as of 10 years ago or so |
| 16:43.52 | menotume | they weight about 75 lbs each |
| 16:44.13 | Silent_Swan | christ... aggravating "co-workers" |
| 16:44.25 | Silent_Swan | bunch of incompetent boobs |
| 16:45.10 | JeffM2501 | are there competent boobs? |
| 16:45.25 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:45.38 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 16:45.40 | Silent_Swan | possibly |
| 16:46.44 | Aribeth | jpa- your last code transmission was garbled nothing but t's and m's came through :P |
| 16:47.40 | Aribeth | menotume, what types are they? |
| 16:47.49 | jpa- | Aribeth: na na, you just can't read it right :) |
| 16:48.03 | Silent_Swan | ... .. --. .... |
| 16:48.06 | ruskie | menotume, yup but I didn't see a way to upload them... |
| 16:48.18 | jpa- | Aribeth: think of it like " " is buzzer off and "-" is buzzer on |
| 16:48.29 | menotume | Aribeth: types? i don't remember 1 tranmitter, 2 transceivers, and a tube tester |
| 16:48.29 | Aribeth | sigh |
| 16:48.42 | Aribeth | cool |
| 16:48.49 | menotume | errr, s/1 transmitter/1 receiver |
| 16:49.08 | Aribeth | i used to have wwii radios years ago |
| 16:49.24 | menotume | and, a couple of manuals (still says 'top secret' or something or other on the cover) |
| 16:49.36 | Aribeth | jpa-, oh k |
| 16:49.42 | menotume | it's been ages since i've seen them :) |
| 16:49.47 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 16:50.32 | Aribeth | jeffM2501, what sort of fires, forest? |
| 16:50.42 | ruskie | menotume, I did see pics but I didn't see a way to upload them... |
| 16:50.55 | menotume | yes, i want to control it a bit |
| 16:51.11 | TheRedBaron | ruskie, mail to menotume@bzleague.com i believe |
| 16:51.14 | menotume | and make sure that they are 'real', , and have permission from the subjects and photographers |
| 16:51.30 | menotume | right, it says at the top somewhere |
| 16:51.32 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, well the album I opened is free to post by all |
| 16:51.40 | menotume | that's cool |
| 16:51.44 | ruskie | no middle-man required |
| 16:51.49 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:51.53 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:51.58 | menotume | i have disk-space limits :( |
| 16:52.02 | ruskie | I don't |
| 16:52.10 | Silent_Swan | menotume where is the link for that site you mentioned? |
| 16:52.12 | ruskie | since I'm a good friend of the admin of the server :) |
| 16:52.12 | TheRedBaron | ruskie its meno@bzleague.com |
| 16:52.21 | menotume | pics.bzleague.com |
| 16:52.47 | menotume | the bzbb is cool, but after a while, they be dead links |
| 16:52.57 | Silent_Swan | ok |
| 16:53.03 | menotume | there was a rather long thread a couple of years ago, no pics remain |
| 16:53.23 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, seen the news lately? |
| 16:53.31 | JeffM2501 | tho they probalby don't show it out there |
| 16:53.42 | JeffM2501 | wildfires |
| 16:53.55 | JeffM2501 | as we don't realy have that many "forests" here |
| 16:53.57 | Aribeth | no i havn't. just woke up an hour ago |
| 16:54.00 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:54.16 | Aribeth | thats not good |
| 16:54.22 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda normal |
| 16:54.32 | JeffM2501 | the ash in the air does not play will with my nose |
| 16:54.40 | Aribeth | for CA at this time of the year, yes |
| 16:54.49 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 16:56.38 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 16:56.41 | JeffM2501 | then it will rain |
| 16:56.46 | JeffM2501 | and smell like wet hay |
| 17:06.17 | JeffM2501 | so any known outstanding bugs? and has anyone else been able to dupe SC's jitter problem? |
| 17:07.05 | menotume | from what SC was saying, it sounded like a problem that I had on XP with v2.0.0 |
| 17:07.15 | menotume | it was a 'screen jitter' only |
| 17:07.34 | menotume | almost like 2 frames being displayed at the same time, offset - so it looked blurry |
| 17:07.58 | menotume | i tried rc5 on the same box, and it was ok |
| 17:08.02 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:08.09 | JeffM2501 | like the back buffer wasn't cleared |
| 17:08.16 | menotume | yes |
| 17:08.56 | menotume | the faster you truned, the wosre it looked |
| 17:09.15 | menotume | ahh, that could be what i saw |
| 17:09.33 | menotume | although, i get > 60fps |
| 17:09.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah it could be a shear |
| 17:09.51 | JeffM2501 | coud have her disable it |
| 17:10.03 | trepan | she tried playing with vsync last night, no luck |
| 17:10.10 | trepan | said it got worst when it was disabled |
| 17:10.14 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:39.38 | BenUrban | well that's an odd thing to hear |
| 17:39.56 | Silent_Swan | not from me |
| 17:40.17 | BenUrban | i've never heard a silent swan growl before |
| 17:40.29 | JeffM2501 | I'd not back her into a corner ;) |
| 17:40.35 | Silent_Swan | it's a swan thing - you wouldn't understand :) |
| 17:40.38 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:44.16 | Tupone | ICM (Inter Console Marker): signalling a position of interest with an associated message to a Team member: position should go to Radar window, when not jammed. (e.g. to say "stealth Green Guy" is here) - drinian [DONE - submitted via patch; includes the ability to beacon an arbitrary location.] |
| 17:44.37 | Tupone | that could be in your TODO ? |
| 17:44.42 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:44.59 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be prempted by the one that says "redo radar" |
| 17:45.01 | Tupone | so yours was not a question |
| 17:45.21 | Tupone | or just a question to yourself |
| 17:45.27 | JeffM2501 | it was a musing |
| 17:45.36 | JeffM2501 | and a request for feature ideas |
| 17:45.48 | JeffM2501 | that was a good one, but like I say it would be prempted |
| 17:46.43 | JeffM2501 | if that's even spelled right |
| 17:46.44 | trepan | redo radar? |
| 17:47.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:47.30 | JeffM2501 | version 0.8 |
| 17:47.30 | JeffM2501 | * hud redesign |
| 17:47.30 | JeffM2501 | * radar redesign ( more radar like ) |
| 17:48.23 | Silent_Swan | a radar that takes up the whole screen |
| 17:48.24 | trepan | circular? only shows the front wedge? sweeping line? |
| 17:48.35 | JeffM2501 | is blocked by stuff |
| 17:48.37 | Silent_Swan | but is transparent enough to see "out the window" |
| 17:48.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:48.56 | Tupone | nobody see the radar, guy look at the whole airpicture, with a lot of sensors, so a square is still good |
| 17:49.20 | JeffM2501 | may just make it a "sensor signature", where if you sit still behind a thing, you slowly fade from it :) |
| 17:50.23 | JeffM2501 | have to fix the depth buffer first tho |
| 17:50.28 | JeffM2501 | I jacked that ALL up |
| 17:50.40 | Tupone | well, you're proposing models of 10/15 years ago :) they do not more have sweep. They can use GPS too |
| 17:51.00 | JeffM2501 | I am not proposing anything :) |
| 17:51.09 | ruskie | hmmm having a fading radar seems nice... |
| 17:51.21 | ruskie | i.e. if you're hidden behind something you get lost... |
| 17:51.26 | JeffM2501 | mostly I want it to have world interferance, not just a full top view of the game |
| 17:51.29 | ruskie | maybe there should be something for height as well |
| 17:51.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:51.32 | JeffM2501 | range |
| 17:51.39 | JeffM2501 | stuff between you and it in 3space |
| 17:51.44 | ruskie | yup |
| 17:51.46 | trepan | some of that is already in RadarRenderer.cxx |
| 17:51.53 | JeffM2501 | shooting or moving shows up on IR better |
| 17:52.23 | ruskie | hmmm so basicaly you'd want the radar be 3d based |
| 17:52.29 | JeffM2501 | trepan, do I want FANCY_TREADMARKS ? |
| 17:52.37 | jpa- | add also drifting gyroscopes and fake reflections from surfaces :) |
| 17:52.37 | menotume | Silent_Swan: have you tried the bigger radar in 2.0.3/2.0.4 ? |
| 17:52.59 | menotume | holographic mirages |
| 17:53.18 | JeffM2501 | menotume, holo decoy :) |
| 17:53.20 | trepan | JeffM2501: i remembered what i was to add |
| 17:53.26 | menotume | ya :) |
| 17:53.33 | JeffM2501 | trepan, cool |
| 17:53.38 | trepan | MsgGameTime (sync'ed network time) that'll be the last |
| 17:53.51 | Tupone | what I would like is a radar that can be overlapped to main window, like the things Sean was working on |
| 17:54.05 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I'm going to be removing radar size |
| 17:54.14 | JeffM2501 | when the hud is redone |
| 17:54.25 | menotume | removing radar size ? |
| 17:54.35 | JeffM2501 | fixed size |
| 17:54.42 | menotume | hmm |
| 17:54.44 | JeffM2501 | radar will be radar, not the primary interface |
| 17:55.00 | JeffM2501 | and will stay relitive to the tank regargless of tilt |
| 17:55.06 | Tupone | I think TRB will think differently |
| 17:55.11 | JeffM2501 | TRB? |
| 17:55.12 | menotume | many will :) |
| 17:55.30 | trepan | ... not specific to bzflag this is |
| 17:55.43 | menotume | ahhh, right :) |
| 17:55.55 | JeffM2501 | what is TRB? |
| 17:56.01 | menotume | bzflag2501 ? |
| 17:56.02 | Tupone | The Red baron |
| 17:56.05 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 17:56.14 | JeffM2501 | he can think what he likes |
| 17:56.32 | menotume | good, to hell with tha players |
| 17:56.34 | menotume | :) |
| 17:56.52 | Tupone | so you are not thinking about bzflag . ook :) |
| 17:56.57 | JeffM2501 | it will be his choice if he wants to play it or not :) |
| 17:57.03 | menotume | yep :) |
| 17:57.40 | JeffM2501 | if I could only find out why I jacked the depth buffer :( |
| 17:57.50 | JeffM2501 | effects are all screwed up :( |
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| 17:58.15 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 17:58.18 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 91F. |
| 17:58.30 | JeffM2501 | SportyGal, at least your not on fire |
| 17:58.44 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: it FEELS like I am, but I understand |
| 17:58.58 | JeffM2501 | your geting a lot of the washout tho |
| 17:59.11 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: I rode my bike to work - I sure am wishing I had driving my nice a/c'd jeep |
| 17:59.23 | SportyGal | s/driving/driven |
| 17:59.25 | JeffM2501 | !weather 93021 |
| 17:59.27 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California (93021) is 88F. |
| 17:59.32 | SportyGal | hehe - cooler |
| 17:59.42 | JeffM2501 | not my by much |
| 17:59.51 | JeffM2501 | 91 isn't bad |
| 17:59.54 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: YOU'RE still in the 80s |
| 17:59.59 | JeffM2501 | it's the smoke that is killing me |
| 18:00.00 | SportyGal | for the BEACH?! 91 is horrid! |
| 18:00.04 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 18:00.12 | SportyGal | we are used to 70s |
| 18:00.35 | JeffM2501 | it's not hot till it's 110 |
| 18:00.44 | SportyGal | here, it's hot if it hits 80 |
| 18:04.27 | ToughShooter | !weather EDDF |
| 18:04.34 | TheLastSpartan | ToughShooter: The current temperature in Frankfurt/main, Germany is 56F. |
| 18:05.40 | JeffM2501 | SportyGal, yeah the winds arn't blowing your cool ocean in, they are blowing it out, from palmdale |
| 18:06.06 | JeffM2501 | that will change tomrow tho |
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| 18:08.46 | Punkus | hi all |
| 18:09.02 | Punkus | I need help doing a make on bzflag |
| 18:09.20 | Punkus | it keeps on failing and says: OpenGLGState.cxx:888: error: ‘bucket’ was not declared in this scope |
| 18:09.30 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: yeah, it's supposed to cool off substantially tomorrow (yay) |
| 18:09.41 | JeffM2501 | the winds will change tomorow |
| 18:09.49 | JeffM2501 | and blow the fire back to me |
| 18:10.05 | JeffM2501 | Punkus, what version? |
| 18:10.49 | JeffM2501 | and what OS/compiler? |
| 18:11.36 | Punkus | bzflag-2.0.2.20050318 |
| 18:11.49 | Punkus | fedora core 4 |
| 18:12.05 | JeffM2501 | hmm, in the current code bucket is defined just fine |
| 18:12.18 | Punkus | gcc version 4.0.1 20050727 (Red Hat 4.0.1-5) |
| 18:12.23 | JeffM2501 | have you tried the 2.0.4 RC5 code? |
| 18:12.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh 2.0.2 did not allways like GCC4 |
| 18:12.46 | JeffM2501 | use the current code |
| 18:12.59 | Punkus | k |
| 18:13.05 | JeffM2501 | we have made changes to better support GCC4 |
| 18:13.32 | Punkus | wheres 2.0.4? |
| 18:13.46 | Punkus | this is the latest thing... BZFlag 2.0.2 "Queen of Maybe" Released' |
| 18:13.46 | JeffM2501 | the Release Candidate is on BZBB |
| 18:13.51 | Punkus | umm, k |
| 18:13.52 | JeffM2501 | or can be goten from CVS |
| 18:13.55 | Punkus | k |
| 18:14.02 | JeffM2501 | that is the last real release yes |
| 18:14.08 | Punkus | k |
| 18:14.09 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 will be out very shorty |
| 18:14.25 | Punkus | 2.0.4 gonna be the next release? |
| 18:14.35 | JeffM2501 | this is the code that can be it, asuming it has no major problems ( and none have really surfaced ). |
| 18:15.25 | Punkus | cool |
| 18:16.26 | Punkus | also, (i peeked into the bzflag from my backup of the old system - which crashed a hell of a lot) when i went down the list, i saw "rotation objects" |
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| 18:19.21 | Punkus | aye?? |
| 18:19.34 | Punkus | i just grabbed http://my.bzflag.org/builds/bzflag-2.0.4-rc5.tar.bz2 ' |
| 18:19.44 | Punkus | extracted it |
| 18:19.44 | JeffM2501 | that would be the source for it |
| 18:20.00 | Punkus | are there any rpms? |
| 18:20.09 | Punkus | i couldn't see any there |
| 18:20.26 | JeffM2501 | oh no, no rpms |
| 18:20.28 | JeffM2501 | you have to build it |
| 18:20.31 | JeffM2501 | compile |
| 18:21.11 | JeffM2501 | just like you were using make on the old stuff |
| 18:23.11 | *** join/#bzflag Electric1lf (n=david@trip.cc.gt.atl.ga.us) |
| 18:23.51 | menotume | !weather 18940 |
| 18:23.55 | TheLastSpartan | menotume: The current temperature in Newtown, Pennsylvania (18940) is 61F. |
| 18:24.00 | menotume | ahhhhh :) |
| 18:24.08 | Aribeth | !WEATHER 30040 |
| 18:24.13 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 79F. |
| 18:24.23 | Punkus | aye? |
| 18:24.25 | Punkus | lol |
| 18:24.29 | blast007 | !weather 53545 |
| 18:24.33 | TheLastSpartan | blast007: The current temperature in Janesville, Wisconsin (53545) is 57F. |
| 18:24.37 | Punkus | how do you know what number you are? |
| 18:24.39 | menotume | !weather or not |
| 18:24.51 | blast007 | Punkus: zip code :) |
| 18:24.58 | Punkus | ah |
| 18:25.48 | Punkus | is it US only? |
| 18:26.44 | blast007 | ~weather london, england |
| 18:26.51 | blast007 | er |
| 18:26.54 | blast007 | !weather london, england |
| 18:26.58 | TheLastSpartan | blast007: The current temperature in London, United Kingdom is 56F. |
| 18:27.12 | Punkus | (06:19:43) Punkus: extracted it.... finishing it off, |
| 18:27.23 | Punkus | the dir is bzflag-2.0.3.20050927 |
| 18:27.34 | Punkus | not bzflag-2.0.4.20050927 |
| 18:27.43 | Punkus | is this right? |
| 18:28.43 | Punkus | meh, its off doing its make |
| 18:31.05 | JeffM2501 | Punkus, yes |
| 18:31.10 | JeffM2501 | it's the Release candidate for 2.0.4 |
| 18:31.14 | JeffM2501 | not 2.0.4 itself |
| 18:31.15 | *** join/#bzflag SportChicky (i=DonnaCra@24-75-159-182.vnnyca.adelphia.net) |
| 18:31.21 | JeffM2501 | so it will still be named 2.0.3 in the version |
| 18:35.37 | Punkus | k |
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| 18:36.50 | menotume | SportChick: could you tell SportChicky to tell SportyGal to tell SportChick ... that I said hi ? |
| 18:37.27 | SportChicky | menotume: heheheheh |
| 18:38.07 | menotume | ~seen SportGal |
| 18:38.12 | ibot | menotume: i haven't seen 'sportgal' |
| 18:38.19 | menotume | hmm |
| 18:38.21 | jpa- | menotume: ibot lies about ~seen |
| 18:38.25 | Grumbler | methinks sportchick needs a few more personalities to create her own reality show |
| 18:38.33 | menotume | !seen SportGal |
| 18:38.33 | TheLastSpartan | menotume: I have not seen SportGal. |
| 18:38.37 | jpa- | and TimRiker tells that ~pw :) |
| 18:39.41 | menotume | new in NBC's fall lineup: Chicks and Gals who are Sporty |
| 18:42.23 | UnsportyGuy | awww |
| 18:42.47 | UnsportyGuy | lost another one to services |
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| 18:43.34 | Noodleroni | MOO! |
| 18:43.47 | blast007 | :) hi Noodleroni |
| 18:43.50 | Noodleroni | hey! |
| 18:44.02 | Noodleroni | i graduate army basic training tomorrow |
| 18:44.07 | blast007 | cool |
| 18:44.18 | Noodleroni | i'm been gone for a long time, as you may have noticed :-) |
| 18:44.46 | blast007 | yeah, been a while since I saw you |
| 18:44.47 | Noodleroni | i'm using one of the computers in the PX |
| 18:45.16 | Noodleroni | i've been really busy :-P |
| 18:45.47 | Noodleroni | no, you haven't |
| 18:45.49 | Noodleroni | trust me |
| 18:46.09 | blast007 | well, probably no comparison, but still busy for me |
| 18:46.16 | Grumbler | ....going to be a blackhawk mechanic |
| 18:46.22 | Noodleroni | sweetness |
| 18:46.36 | Grumbler | err, a question to you |
| 18:46.40 | Noodleroni | sure |
| 18:46.56 | Grumbler | so you dont know what you are going to do? |
| 18:47.07 | blast007 | or maybe that was supposed to be question up above? |
| 18:47.40 | Grumbler | are you going to be a blackhawk mechainc? |
| 18:47.46 | Noodleroni | no |
| 18:47.53 | Grumbler | there we go then |
| 18:48.08 | Noodleroni | i'm going to be a patriot system advanced operator and maintainer |
| 18:48.28 | Grumbler | so a wax on, wax off boy :P |
| 18:48.55 | Grumbler | sry, for giving you a hard time...couldnt resist |
| 18:48.59 | blast007 | I was thinking more along the lines of pushing the big red button ;) |
| 18:49.21 | blast007 | http://www.raytheon.com/products/patriot/ |
| 18:49.21 | Noodleroni | Grumbler: hehe |
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| 19:06.46 | dujavi | Does anyone know how to get a flag to show up on top of a building in a bz world is a specified zone? |
| 19:07.16 | dujavi | I have -sb and -fb set in the .bzw file |
| 19:07.45 | dujavi | The flag does show up, but its always on the ground |
| 19:10.18 | brlcad | might not allow it |
| 19:11.26 | dujavi | the server? |
| 19:11.41 | brlcad | yeah |
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| 19:12.51 | dujavi | Do you know what server I need? |
| 19:13.39 | Grumbler | does sound suspiciously like a bug |
| 19:13.57 | Grumbler | did you allow jumping |
| 19:14.17 | dujavi | yes |
| 19:14.31 | Grumbler | for a while there some fool added code that forced all flags to ground if there wasnt any jumping |
| 19:14.43 | Grumbler | did you put -j in the bzw? |
| 19:14.55 | dujavi | yep |
| 19:15.05 | Grumbler | or on the command line, there is a difference |
| 19:15.12 | Grumbler | ok |
| 19:15.13 | dujavi | its in the file |
| 19:17.45 | Grumbler | can you post the file to pastebin so we can see what the zone looks like |
| 19:17.49 | dujavi | duh, I was running the wrong file |
| 19:17.59 | Grumbler | ~fishslap dujavi |
| 19:18.00 | ibot | ACTION slaps dujavi up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:18.05 | dujavi | sorry |
| 19:18.09 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:18.14 | Grumbler | np, glad it wasnt anything importatn |
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| 19:30.56 | Thumper_ | for zones... can you list flags using 'GOOD' or 'BAD' or do you |
| 19:31.03 | Thumper_ | have to specify the flags individually? |
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| 19:36.48 | trepan | from bzw.5: zone\n flag GM SW good bad |
| 19:39.44 | trepan | which ones? |
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| 19:49.20 | bz7840 | hello |
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| 19:52.30 | Tupone | hello bz7840 |
| 19:52.48 | brlcad | trepan: oh nothing in particular ;) |
| 19:53.23 | brlcad | boxes and pyramids are so nice and simple.. simple data, simple format |
| 19:53.33 | brlcad | complex stuff is .. like .. complex to parse ;) |
| 19:53.46 | bz7840 | hi. any devs here? |
| 19:54.22 | Tupone | totality of devs are here (most) |
| 19:54.52 | bz7840 | may i ask what needs to be done to make 2.0.2 compilable using g 4.0.1? |
| 19:55.00 | Tupone | yeah |
| 19:55.05 | bz7840 | g plus plus |
| 19:55.21 | Tupone | don't use 2.0.2 |
| 19:55.29 | bz7840 | the new bzflag is slower |
| 19:55.40 | Tupone | the one in bzbb? |
| 19:55.41 | bz7840 | i have pathetic h/w |
| 19:55.58 | Tupone | while 2.0.2 work good? |
| 19:56.31 | bz7840 | yes. but i'd like to run it through the new compiler to see if i can get any further optimization |
| 19:57.09 | Tupone | 2.0.2 and 2.0.4 (upcoming) should have the same 3d engine, but trepan knows it better |
| 19:57.11 | bz7840 | what is it in 2.0.2 that makes it not conform to the ansi standards? |
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| 19:57.17 | _Manu_ | you can try to disable some graphics enhancements |
| 19:57.49 | Tupone | bz7840: is not a problem of standard, errors where there |
| 19:58.01 | Tupone | that gcc-4 raise |
| 19:58.03 | bz7840 | i notice a few new casts in 2.0.4-rc4 |
| 19:58.59 | bz7840 | some data items have an underscore preceding them |
| 19:59.00 | Tupone | forget those. they are not important for the gcc compatibility |
| 19:59.01 | TheLastSpartan | I've never heard of those. they are not important for the gcc compatibility, Tupone! |
| 19:59.23 | Tupone | !shutup |
| 19:59.24 | TheLastSpartan | Tupone: Huwwwwat!!?!?! |
| 19:59.29 | bz7840 | 2.0.2 goes through compilation ok. what's the problem with it?> |
| 19:59.49 | Tupone | formatting of some message going to server |
| 19:59.56 | bz7840 | oh... ic |
| 20:00.15 | bz7840 | that would be a problem with g plus plus 3.4 too? |
| 20:00.39 | Tupone | seems not a problem with gcc 3 |
| 20:00.46 | bz7840 | ok. |
| 20:00.55 | _Manu_ | bz7840, I don't think you'll get a faster executable using gcc 4.0.x http://www.coyotegulch.com/reviews/gcc4/ |
| 20:01.26 | _Manu_ | bz7840, you can try to disable those graphics FX and use less resolution |
| 20:01.28 | bz7840 | oh.. ok. i'd heard there were new optimizers. just wanted to try it out. will look at that link, thank you |
| 20:01.57 | bz7840 | i have it set up just like the old one. i.e., none of the new effects |
| 20:01.58 | Tupone | reduce bitxpixel too |
| 20:02.09 | bz7840 | bitxpixel? |
| 20:02.25 | bz7840 | i don't want to make it look worse than my old bzflag |
| 20:03.00 | Tupone | how many bitxpixel you have now ? |
| 20:03.05 | bz7840 | no idea |
| 20:03.21 | Tupone | 8/15/16/24/32 |
| 20:03.30 | _Manu_ | color depth.. |
| 20:03.37 | bz7840 | oh.. ic... 16 |
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| 20:04.09 | bz7840 | look: is there anything in the new bzflag i really really need? |
| 20:04.13 | Tupone | could use the bitmap renderer too , I don't know how :( |
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| 20:05.50 | bz7840 | is there anything not immediately obvious that makes it better? |
| 20:06.56 | bz7840 | mostly i see a few effects, and some changes to scoreboard, server search screen and hunting |
| 20:06.58 | Tupone | too much question for a poor minded gut |
| 20:07.01 | Tupone | yguy |
| 20:07.22 | Tupone | I personally don't like fancy effect, so I removes all |
| 20:07.30 | Tupone | removed :) |
| 20:07.38 | bz7840 | yep |
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| 20:09.57 | TimRiker | there is nothing in any version of bzflag the anyone "needs". ;-) |
| 20:10.31 | TimRiker | it looks like maps want mountian4 which is not there. |
| 20:10.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:10.55 | JeffM2501 | someone reverted the mountan images I updated in 2.0.0 to the clasic mountans |
| 20:10.57 | JeffM2501 | know why? |
| 20:11.34 | Tupone | I didn't like those, I liked sea :) |
| 20:11.40 | JeffM2501 | it should go all the way to mountan 5 |
| 20:11.53 | JeffM2501 | you reverted them? |
| 20:12.00 | Tupone | nope :) |
| 20:12.14 | JeffM2501 | actualy it should go to mountan 6 |
| 20:12.57 | JeffM2501 | I'll put it back right |
| 20:14.06 | Tupone | why you don't look at who removed and ask why to him ? |
| 20:14.13 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 20:14.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (7 files): go back to the nice higher res mountans we had in 2.0.0 |
| 20:14.52 | Tupone | so, people do things just for fun, like you? you don't even play |
| 20:15.04 | JeffM2501 | looks like it was just a screwup with the binary /text thing |
| 20:15.04 | Birdie | i want to place my blue tanks on radar more "light" instead of default dark |
| 20:15.20 | Birdie | set blueradar "0 0.5 1" how to change this so it goes more "light"? |
| 20:15.25 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, because I don't belive they were intentaly removed, just a misshap in cvs |
| 20:15.43 | Tupone | revision 1.5 |
| 20:15.43 | Tupone | date: 2004/05/11 23:35:31; author: timriker; state: dead; lines: +0 -0 |
| 20:15.43 | Tupone | remove dupes, create more copies locally if you like |
| 20:15.51 | JeffM2501 | they were checked in as text at one point, then they were fixed to binary but the wrong images were used |
| 20:16.11 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, what file? |
| 20:16.18 | Tupone | mountain4 |
| 20:16.24 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:16.26 | JeffM2501 | they arn't dupes |
| 20:16.29 | JeffM2501 | just very similar :) |
| 20:16.40 | Tupone | hehe, say it to Tim :) |
| 20:16.44 | JeffM2501 | I just did |
| 20:17.12 | JeffM2501 | the mountan system for bz is wierd |
| 20:19.07 | Tupone | they are very very similar |
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| 20:19.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah making them difrenter now :) |
| 20:19.41 | trepan | you adding yodellers? |
| 20:19.58 | uso | Birdie: increase the first 2 values, the values are the red/green/blue component of the color |
| 20:20.07 | JeffM2501 | no goats |
| 20:20.16 | Birdie | uso: thx |
| 20:20.29 | uso | is there any setting to change the size of the inner square of the mouse box? |
| 20:20.29 | Aribeth | mountain sheep then? |
| 20:20.39 | JeffM2501 | gonna replace it all with a skybox soon |
| 20:20.39 | uso | on hud |
| 20:20.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (mountain4.png mountain5.png mountain6.png): add some variation |
| 20:21.19 | Tupone | 400 kbyte more :) |
| 20:21.45 | trepan | rm mountain[4-6].png |
| 20:21.48 | uso | 2 seconds more download time ;) |
| 20:22.17 | JeffM2501 | you'll live |
| 20:22.29 | Tupone | and I guess more texture to have resident |
| 20:22.33 | JeffM2501 | it'll probably be a wash |
| 20:22.48 | JeffM2501 | since I lowerd the windows binary size anyway :) |
| 20:22.52 | uso | it's anyway switched off for playing ... |
| 20:23.11 | JeffM2501 | we used to have 4 copys of the runtime binarys |
| 20:23.43 | SportyGal | UnsportyGuy: hehe, just saw your comment about NBC's fall line up |
| 20:27.04 | Tupone | ~shoot Silent_Swan |
| 20:27.05 | ibot | ACTION shoots Silent_Swan in the head with a glue gun! |
| 20:27.28 | SportyGal | ewww how morbid |
| 20:27.46 | Tupone | ~bzfrag Silent_Swan |
| 20:27.48 | ibot | ACTION destroys Silent_Swan with a guided missle |
| 20:28.06 | Silent_Swan | much better |
| 20:28.31 | Silent_Swan | morbid? nah |
| 20:29.37 | SportyGal | ~lart Silent_Swan |
| 20:29.48 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 20:29.58 | Silent_Swan | rm -rf SportyGal |
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| 20:32.31 | TD-Linux | I never knew you could use 3D glasses with BZFLAG! |
| 20:32.47 | Silent_Swan | i did... and i want to try it :) |
| 20:32.51 | Silent_Swan | does it work well? |
| 20:32.59 | TD-Linux | They work the best on DarkWorld, as everyone is rogue, and you don't have to see team color |
| 20:33.14 | TD-Linux | see Meteorite's server |
| 20:33.28 | Silent_Swan | hmm... where can i get 3d glasses? |
| 20:33.30 | TD-Linux | team colors are hard to see |
| 20:33.37 | Silent_Swan | i usually play rogue anyway |
| 20:33.53 | TD-Linux | I used ones from spykids 3D.... also, ones from Chessmaster 10 work |
| 20:33.59 | TD-Linux | or out of National Geographic |
| 20:34.17 | TD-Linux | go on ebay and buy a pair for 10c |
| 20:34.30 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 20:34.35 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 20:35.20 | TD-Linux | beware, they mess up colors badly, for a fairly obvious reason |
| 20:35.40 | TD-Linux | oh yeah, and you ahve to start bzflag with -view normal to get it back to normal ;) |
| 20:36.22 | Silent_Swan | ah |
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| 20:36.33 | Silent_Swan | must try this |
| 20:36.37 | TD-Linux | Buy yourself a copy of Chessmaster 10, its a really good chess program, and you get 3D glasses too ;) |
| 20:36.47 | Meteorite | Hi TD. |
| 20:36.53 | Silent_Swan | one could make them with cellophane |
| 20:36.55 | Silent_Swan | and cardboard |
| 20:37.07 | TD-Linux | where do you get red and cyan colors? |
| 20:37.19 | Aribeth | a crafts shop |
| 20:37.24 | Silent_Swan | yes |
| 20:37.35 | TD-Linux | they would be better quality than mine ;) |
| 20:37.44 | TD-Linux | I could tape the cellophane over my glasses |
| 20:37.46 | Aribeth | 3D classes don't work for me |
| 20:37.52 | TD-Linux | that way I wouln't be called 6-eyes ;) |
| 20:37.57 | Silent_Swan | TD-Linux yeah, i could do that too :) |
| 20:38.16 | Aribeth | no, i invented that phrase. its all mine :P |
| 20:38.17 | Silent_Swan | just get sunglasses too and you'll be a spider |
| 20:38.48 | JeffM2501 | shutter glasses are cooler |
| 20:38.50 | Aribeth | i have to use 2 pairs of glasses to read these days |
| 20:39.12 | Silent_Swan | 2? |
| 20:39.15 | Silent_Swan | why 2? |
| 20:39.17 | Aribeth | ya |
| 20:39.56 | Aribeth | my reading glasses correct for astigmatizm, and the distance one dont |
| 20:40.02 | Aribeth | mim far sighted |
| 20:40.13 | Silent_Swan | ahhh... my problem is astigmatism |
| 20:40.18 | Aribeth | and the perscriptions are very old |
| 20:40.58 | Aribeth | my reading glasses are good for computer work, but not strong enough to read most books |
| 20:41.46 | Silent_Swan | other way around for me... computers are messing up my eyes |
| 20:41.52 | Silent_Swan | eyestrain sucks |
| 20:41.57 | Aribeth | yep |
| 20:42.01 | Aribeth | been there |
| 20:42.15 | Aribeth | i have lazyeye in my left eye |
| 20:42.23 | Silent_Swan | lazyeye? |
| 20:42.28 | Aribeth | it pulls in when its strained too much |
| 20:42.31 | Aribeth | yep |
| 20:42.32 | Silent_Swan | ohhhh |
| 20:42.34 | JeffM2501 | when they don't point the same way |
| 20:42.47 | Silent_Swan | that's very common |
| 20:42.48 | Aribeth | weak mussle in my eye. never fixed |
| 20:43.12 | Aribeth | my eyes do point strait |
| 20:43.29 | Aribeth | but my depth perseption is screwed up |
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| 20:43.51 | TD-Linux | do not operate heavy machinery then ;)\ |
| 20:43.52 | Silent_Swan | remind me not to be around you when you're driving, then :) |
| 20:44.08 | Aribeth | i can drive very well |
| 20:44.23 | Silent_Swan | but with poor depth perception? |
| 20:44.25 | TD-Linux | it's a black road with white lines, that should be easy |
| 20:44.38 | bz1067 | i'm making a ERAGON.ADMIN and i read the man pg for it but it doesn't say where to put what group i'm assigning the perms to |
| 20:45.23 | bz1067 | it just says make groups of perms called BOOT and ANTI |
| 20:45.28 | Aribeth | driveing is no problem for me |
| 20:45.58 | bz1067 | jeff you there u helped me with this before |
| 20:46.11 | TD-Linux | there is a bonus: the curvature of a cheap CRT is hard to notice ;) |
| 20:46.20 | Aribeth | i also know how to handle a car |
| 20:46.39 | Silent_Swan | Aribeth if you drive anything like i do on the open road, i sure hope so :) |
| 20:47.00 | Aribeth | i know how to recover from a spin |
| 20:47.14 | TD-Linux | do you practice it a lot? |
| 20:47.26 | bz1067 | plz help some one i need some help |
| 20:47.30 | Aribeth | i learned from a race driver long ago |
| 20:47.34 | JeffM2501 | you are? |
| 20:47.43 | Tupone | bz1067: why you don't change callsign |
| 20:47.49 | JeffM2501 | I dont' think I'm deserving of it |
| 20:47.49 | bz1067 | ok |
| 20:47.51 | Tupone | nick I mean |
| 20:48.13 | bz1067 | i'm really Eragon but evertime i come on i have to cheange it |
| 20:48.37 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 well alright, just a small altar then |
| 20:48.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:48.55 | Silent_Swan | to be honest, it's just an excuse to sacrifice idiot co-workers and end-users on |
| 20:49.00 | JeffM2501 | if it's a video game console then oke.... :) |
| 20:49.16 | JeffM2501 | remember, silver blades work the best for sacrafice |
| 20:49.18 | JeffM2501 | and easy to clean |
| 20:49.26 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 20:50.35 | *** join/#bzflag Eragon (n=469906be@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:50.41 | Eragon | ok now i have my real name |
| 20:50.45 | TD-Linux | me hides from being sacrificed |
| 20:51.11 | *** part/#bzflag NoRecess (n=d8623821@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 20:51.19 | Eragon | i need some help |
| 20:51.41 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ping |
| 20:52.04 | Eragon | :( |
| 20:52.12 | Eragon | now where do i go |
| 20:52.17 | TD-Linux | ok, explain what you want to do |
| 20:52.22 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: flag zones... can I use GOOD and BAD instead of listing all flags individually? |
| 20:52.49 | Eragon | i have a gruop called ERAGON.ADMIN already and i want to assign permissoins for it |
| 20:52.56 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, dono |
| 20:52.59 | JeffM2501 | try and see :) |
| 20:53.01 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 20:53.10 | Thumper_ | that was my last resort ;) |
| 20:53.17 | TD-Linux | on your server? |
| 20:53.26 | TD-Linux | did you set up a groupdb file? |
| 20:53.36 | Eragon | yep |
| 20:53.40 | Eragon | well |
| 20:53.46 | TD-Linux | so did you put in an entry for ERAGON.ADMIN? |
| 20:53.46 | Eragon | i'm trying to get it to work |
| 20:53.54 | Eragon | what? |
| 20:54.12 | TD-Linux | pastebin your groupdb file, please |
| 20:54.15 | TD-Linux | ~pastebin |
| 20:54.16 | ibot | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 20:54.22 | Eragon | thats what i'm asking how do i hook assign my groupdb file to ERAGON.ADMIN |
| 20:54.35 | TD-Linux | oh... |
| 20:54.41 | TD-Linux | I think it just goes like a normal group |
| 20:54.45 | TD-Linux | ERAGON.ADMIN |
| 20:54.46 | Silent_Swan | ooh, Silent_Swan learns something new |
| 20:55.01 | TD-Linux | wait while I check... |
| 20:55.20 | Eragon | ok |
| 20:55.43 | TD-Linux | example: |
| 20:55.56 | Eragon | ? |
| 20:56.00 | Eragon | oh |
| 20:56.07 | TD-Linux | ERAGON.ADMIN: KICK BAN KILL VETO SET POLL SPAWN |
| 20:56.21 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy_ (n=Legoguy@adsl-68-252-215-7.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 20:56.31 | Eragon | yeah i tryed that |
| 20:56.37 | TD-Linux | it dosen't work? |
| 20:56.38 | Eragon | but it didn't work |
| 20:56.43 | TD-Linux | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:56.48 | TD-Linux | then I don't know |
| 20:56.49 | Eragon | hold on i'll give it another shot |
| 20:57.02 | Silent_Swan | excellent! My sacrificial altar is ready. now, i just need a virgin... |
| 20:57.03 | TD-Linux | you loaded it with -groupdb, I assume |
| 20:57.45 | Silent_Swan | i thought virgins were extinct |
| 20:58.21 | Silent_Swan | hehe |
| 20:58.23 | *** join/#bzflag RoMy (n=none@cs181130193.pp.htv.fi) |
| 20:58.41 | JeffM2501 | there is that basement word again |
| 20:58.59 | Silent_Swan | my basement smells like the aftermath of a grateful dead concert |
| 20:59.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:59.28 | JeffM2501 | did you have a greatfull dead concert down there? |
| 20:59.29 | Tupone | I don't like the new mountain. Card is slowind down, and make me fill bad |
| 20:59.33 | Silent_Swan | no |
| 20:59.44 | Silent_Swan | but the air quality is typically the same :) |
| 21:00.17 | Tupone | I revert back |
| 21:00.22 | JeffM2501 | a room underground.... so very wierd... |
| 21:00.31 | Eragon | do i have to put myself in ERAGON.ADMIN to get the perms automatically |
| 21:00.35 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 21:00.38 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, take out 4-5-6 and see if it speeds up |
| 21:01.04 | JeffM2501 | Eragon, if you are the owner of the group, you are automaticly in it |
| 21:01.31 | Eragon | ohh ok |
| 21:01.32 | Eragon | lol |
| 21:02.01 | Eragon | and i should automattically get the grup perms when i sign on right? |
| 21:02.21 | JeffM2501 | if you have your password set in the game |
| 21:02.26 | JeffM2501 | and you got a token |
| 21:02.31 | JeffM2501 | and you set the groupdb file |
| 21:02.51 | JeffM2501 | does your name have a + next to it when you login? |
| 21:02.59 | Eragon | yes |
| 21:03.03 | Eragon | i'm registered |
| 21:03.06 | JeffM2501 | and you did the -groupdb thing? |
| 21:03.10 | Eragon | wait not on my server |
| 21:03.12 | Eragon | yesd |
| 21:03.17 | Eragon | i got the groupdb |
| 21:03.20 | JeffM2501 | not on your server? |
| 21:03.33 | Eragon | yeah i don't see the by my name on my server |
| 21:03.41 | JeffM2501 | then you should get the perms |
| 21:03.52 | Eragon | how? |
| 21:03.54 | JeffM2501 | asuming the group was loaded correctly |
| 21:03.55 | TD-Linux | you don't see the +? |
| 21:04.03 | JeffM2501 | it will just happen |
| 21:04.12 | Eragon | not on my server |
| 21:04.15 | JeffM2501 | list the groups the server knows about |
| 21:04.23 | Eragon | what do you mean it will just happen |
| 21:04.40 | TD-Linux | then that means your server can't communicate with the list server, if global login isn't working |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM2501 | when you login, and auto global reg it will asign you to the group |
| 21:04.53 | Eragon | thi? |
| 21:04.55 | Eragon | ? |
| 21:05.03 | JeffM2501 | do you, or do you NOT get the + on your server? |
| 21:05.12 | Eragon | i don't see the by my name on my server |
| 21:05.16 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:05.18 | Eragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.22 | JeffM2501 | then your not globaly authing |
| 21:05.28 | JeffM2501 | is your server -public ? |
| 21:05.32 | trepan | you adding yodellers? |
| 21:05.38 | trepan | oops ;) |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:05.45 | Eragon | not yet i keep tryong to open a port |
| 21:05.57 | TD-Linux | trepan: which channel are you on, sounds interesting ;) |
| 21:06.00 | JeffM2501 | Eragon, then you won't get any global login, or auto group stuff till your public |
| 21:06.11 | *** join/#bzflag bz5301 (n=18dae8d5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:06.20 | bz5301 | rc5 isnt allowing me to download it |
| 21:06.41 | TD-Linux | bz5301: download what? |
| 21:06.44 | JeffM2501 | bz5301, what happens when you try? |
| 21:06.50 | bz5301 | its saying, the installer u are using is corrupted or incomnplete this could be a result of a damaged disk |
| 21:06.57 | bz5301 | a failed download or virus |
| 21:07.03 | JeffM2501 | then your interent connection is jacked up |
| 21:07.13 | TD-Linux | failed download most likely, they are common |
| 21:07.15 | JeffM2501 | do you have a download accelerator or somethign like that? |
| 21:07.16 | TD-Linux | are you using IE? |
| 21:07.20 | JeffM2501 | are you on dialup? |
| 21:07.21 | bz5301 | yes ie |
| 21:07.24 | bz5301 | cable |
| 21:07.28 | JeffM2501 | ie dosn't mean anything |
| 21:07.29 | TD-Linux | IE automatically caches downloads |
| 21:07.33 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, please don't randomly guess |
| 21:07.35 | bz5301 | i have a cd in my ocmputer and listening to it |
| 21:07.42 | JeffM2501 | it shouldn't mater |
| 21:07.50 | bz5301 | hmm |
| 21:07.53 | bz5301 | i take out cd and try |
| 21:07.54 | JeffM2501 | when you download the file again, hit SHIFT when you click it |
| 21:07.58 | JeffM2501 | and tell it to save to disk |
| 21:08.02 | bz5301 | k |
| 21:08.06 | TD-Linux | so if your download courrpts the first time, subsequent downloads will be corrupted also, as it comes from the cache |
| 21:08.07 | JeffM2501 | the CD isn't your problem |
| 21:08.15 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, that's what shift takes care of |
| 21:08.19 | TD-Linux | all you have to do is press SHIFT! |
| 21:08.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:08.25 | JeffM2501 | force update |
| 21:08.27 | TD-Linux | awww... I wish I had known that |
| 21:08.38 | JeffM2501 | that's why you shouldn't bounce to an answer when you aren't sure |
| 21:08.44 | TD-Linux | I had a @#$# of a time trying to re-downlaod the directx sdk with ie |
| 21:08.55 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 21:09.14 | bz5301 | not wokring |
| 21:09.20 | bz5301 | press shift when u click link? |
| 21:09.21 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, sounds like a personal problem to me |
| 21:09.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:09.26 | Silent_Swan | hi RPG_ |
| 21:09.31 | RPG_ | hi Silent_Swan |
| 21:09.35 | JeffM2501 | or right click and say "save link as" |
| 21:09.43 | bz5301 | k |
| 21:09.49 | RPG_ | how'd the interview go? |
| 21:09.55 | JeffM2501 | do you have a downlaod accelerator or antyhing? |
| 21:10.00 | Silent_Swan | RPG_ uh... i don't want to get into it :( |
| 21:10.12 | bz5301 | still doesnt work |
| 21:10.18 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, you could make kick ass background music for the game |
| 21:10.18 | RPG_ | eeh |
| 21:10.18 | bz5301 | i dont have no accelrator i dont htink |
| 21:10.18 | Silent_Swan | RPG_ let's just say i got so upset i puked |
| 21:10.21 | bz5301 | i have pc booster |
| 21:10.32 | RPG_ | oh my |
| 21:10.34 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 hm.. this idea you have.. i'd like to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 21:10.37 | JeffM2501 | bz5301, turn that off, it may be screwing you up |
| 21:10.45 | Silent_Swan | being a musician.. hmm |
| 21:10.48 | JeffM2501 | I have a newsletter...? |
| 21:10.50 | brlcad | Silent_Swan: just fire and forget ;) |
| 21:10.53 | JeffM2501 | does it have commics? |
| 21:11.03 | JeffM2501 | and perhaps a personals section? |
| 21:11.19 | bz5301 | it still doesnt work |
| 21:11.25 | Silent_Swan | nah, i can't do that, brlcad |
| 21:11.32 | Silent_Swan | too many people do that as it is |
| 21:11.37 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:11.58 | brlcad | just designate a hoarde of admin minions |
| 21:12.27 | brlcad | control through delegation ;) |
| 21:15.31 | Silent_Swan | my usual response is "Don't #$*& touch it!!!" :0 |
| 21:15.35 | JeffM2501 | control thru electrical shocks |
| 21:15.52 | JeffM2501 | "up the voltage" |
| 21:16.30 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 you really should try dating *someone else* |
| 21:16.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:16.39 | SportyGal | Silent_Swan: hehe |
| 21:16.42 | JeffM2501 | probalby a true statement |
| 21:16.52 | Silent_Swan | but then, i could live by that advice too ;( |
| 21:17.29 | JeffM2501 | noone ever knows that movie |
| 21:18.00 | bryjen | your quote is vague and nondescript, please try again :P |
| 21:18.19 | JeffM2501 | "would you classify that as a design problem, or a launch problem?" |
| 21:19.47 | JeffM2501 | "kent... this is jesus" |
| 21:20.28 | bryjen | real genius |
| 21:20.33 | bryjen | or somethinglikethat |
| 21:20.44 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 21:20.55 | JeffM2501 | bestest of the 80's college movies :) |
| 21:21.42 | Tupone | the new map make me fill bad, even if they are 3. And the previous map, I meant yesterday map, where there from 2004/03/23 |
| 21:21.56 | Tupone | video is not smooth I think |
| 21:22.22 | Tupone | at least here |
| 21:23.33 | JeffM2501 | and if you put the old images in ( from 2.0.2 ) it works better? |
| 21:23.52 | Tupone | from 2.0.0 yeah, at least I fill good |
| 21:24.02 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 21:24.26 | Tupone | 5200 |
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| 21:24.34 | JeffM2501 | interesting |
| 21:24.38 | JeffM2501 | how big of a hit is it? |
| 21:24.41 | JeffM2501 | in FPS? |
| 21:24.52 | Tupone | does not seems an hit in FPS |
| 21:25.02 | Tupone | just not regular |
| 21:25.06 | JeffM2501 | then why would it look any difrent? |
| 21:25.23 | Tupone | my sense says me that |
| 21:25.51 | JeffM2501 | the image should not change a thing |
| 21:25.55 | JeffM2501 | how would it logicaly change it? |
| 21:26.09 | Tupone | mountains are very different |
| 21:26.09 | JeffM2501 | it's just an image |
| 21:26.16 | JeffM2501 | well yes, the image is difrent |
| 21:26.23 | JeffM2501 | but it should not make it perform any worse |
| 21:26.26 | JeffM2501 | or fill any difrent |
| 21:26.46 | JeffM2501 | just change the image |
| 21:26.50 | Tupone | I know, but I cannot play that more then some minute |
| 21:27.06 | JeffM2501 | just because of the image, or because of other effects it does? |
| 21:27.14 | RPG_ | what is this world coming to? http://www.htmlgear.tripod.com/guest/control.guest?u=conemaster&a=view&i=1001 |
| 21:27.29 | JeffM2501 | do you just not like it? or does it cuase some other techincal problem, is what I"m asking |
| 21:27.30 | Tupone | if I get the 3 old image and copyed as mountain4/5/6 I get half the effect |
| 21:28.07 | JeffM2501 | what is the "effect"? |
| 21:28.17 | Tupone | probably an hit in FPS, but I should go in a free server to see |
| 21:28.26 | Tupone | I see the image is not fluid |
| 21:28.36 | JeffM2501 | that woudl mean the FPS changes then |
| 21:31.12 | bryjen | JeffM2501: Tupone may not like them because you did them. _I_ don't like them because they're fugly together. |
| 21:31.21 | JeffM2501 | fine pull em then |
| 21:31.28 | JeffM2501 | they are larger |
| 21:31.33 | JeffM2501 | they will use more vid ram |
| 21:31.37 | JeffM2501 | but he should have plenty |
| 21:32.00 | JeffM2501 | the "not fluid" issue is what concerns me |
| 21:32.11 | JeffM2501 | if ya all want toy mountans be my guests |
| 21:32.55 | bryjen | hrm. odd. where are my mountains coming from.... |
| 21:33.20 | Tupone | dunno, could be that there is less sky ? |
| 21:33.39 | JeffM2501 | they are taller |
| 21:33.45 | JeffM2501 | but that should not affect frame rate |
| 21:34.50 | bryjen | bah. nevermind me. I was getting half old and half new mountains. goofy. |
| 21:34.52 | Tupone | infact is not frame rate , fluidness could be that they change less when I turn, the sky is more similar to itslef |
| 21:35.00 | Tupone | bryjen: me too |
| 21:35.04 | JeffM2501 | there are more of them |
| 21:35.13 | JeffM2501 | but if you only had 3 it should change the same as the old sky |
| 21:35.16 | Tupone | but just know |
| 21:35.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (mountain4.png mountain5.png mountain6.png): yoink |
| 21:35.32 | bryjen | arg! |
| 21:36.53 | *** join/#bzflag Eragon (n=469906be@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:38.25 | bryjen | ah, 3 old mountains in /usr/local installed bzflag, 6 new mountains in cvs checkout src/bzflag/data, and it somehow pulled 1,2,3 old and 4,5,6 new |
| 21:38.37 | JeffM2501 | there are paths that are searched |
| 21:38.39 | JeffM2501 | in order |
| 21:38.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/data/Makefile.am: Back to 3 |
| 21:39.13 | JeffM2501 | or tupone just can't wait |
| 21:42.13 | Silent_Swan | i forget... if i have a file to specify server variables, does one use "-set <var>" or just "set <var>" in that file? |
| 21:42.19 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I think it was definitely the sky ... I like too much, and does not change much when I rotate |
| 21:42.21 | Silent_Swan | in other words, do i need the '-'? |
| 21:42.29 | RPG_ | Silent_Swan: -set <var> |
| 21:42.35 | RPG_ | use the - |
| 21:42.47 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, sadly yes you do |
| 21:42.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (mountain1.png mountain2.png mountain3.png): back to the plastic mountans, it makes some people feel better |
| 21:42.57 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, so you just don't like them |
| 21:43.00 | Silent_Swan | ty |
| 21:43.06 | Silent_Swan | good, because that's how i did it :) |
| 21:43.07 | RPG_ | we had new mountians? |
| 21:45.09 | Tupone | is not that I like or not, I need more sky, so it change less. It made me fill very bad like when I rotate .. I can find the translation but I guess you understand, |
| 21:45.25 | Tupone | cannot |
| 21:46.03 | Tupone | make me ill |
| 21:46.28 | JeffM2501 | you got motion sick |
| 21:46.36 | Tupone | probably |
| 21:46.40 | JeffM2501 | we can worry about it later |
| 21:47.00 | Tupone | why you need to change those 1 or 2 day before release ? |
| 21:47.02 | JeffM2501 | or you can |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM2501 | why do we need to change ANYTHING before? |
| 21:47.35 | Tupone | or we have released yet ? |
| 21:47.39 | JeffM2501 | why did we add multihunt? |
| 21:47.55 | JeffM2501 | why did we add new graphics stuff |
| 21:48.02 | Tupone | dunno |
| 21:48.06 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 21:48.28 | JeffM2501 | why ask things you allready know the answer to |
| 21:48.43 | Tupone | I don't want that mountains |
| 21:48.49 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 21:49.01 | JeffM2501 | I did just revert them did I not? |
| 21:49.08 | bryjen | is there anything left that needs fixing? |
| 21:49.17 | JeffM2501 | trepan has a thing he's doing |
| 21:49.21 | JeffM2501 | then I think that's it |
| 21:50.07 | bryjen | rc6 or just get on with it? |
| 21:50.11 | DTRemenak | heh. seems to me I said something mighty similar about two months ago :) |
| 21:50.12 | JeffM2501 | just get on with it |
| 21:50.21 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ya think |
| 21:50.39 | Tupone | JeffM2501: ok, thanks |
| 21:50.39 | JeffM2501 | I guess we arn't doing a mac test |
| 21:50.46 | JeffM2501 | so they'll just have to hope for the best |
| 21:50.52 | Tupone | DTRemenak: lol |
| 21:51.24 | Tupone | mac will come later, as sean seems to fix things after release everytime |
| 21:51.44 | DTRemenak | things should be fixed before release, not after |
| 21:51.54 | JeffM2501 | apernaly not here |
| 21:51.55 | Tupone | sean is used to do that :) |
| 21:51.57 | bryjen | release-fix-release again, repeat |
| 21:52.09 | JeffM2501 | and branches are bad |
| 21:52.12 | DTRemenak | ~spell apernaly |
| 21:52.16 | JeffM2501 | they are evil things we should never use |
| 21:52.21 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 21:52.22 | bryjen | or really release-fix, repeat |
| 21:52.45 | JeffM2501 | at some point the bondo isn't gonna hold anymore :) |
| 21:53.08 | Tupone | bondo? what is ? |
| 21:53.13 | JeffM2501 | don't worry about it |
| 21:53.22 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: the original idea of not branching right after major release was to extend the life of the protocol. I do not think it worked as intended though. |
| 21:53.26 | Tupone | :| |
| 21:53.36 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, didn't want to branch right after |
| 21:53.48 | JeffM2501 | I wanted to branch when we code frese |
| 21:53.57 | DTRemenak | Tupone: bondo is a kind of putty that you fill dents in cars with. means a temporary fix. |
| 21:54.37 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: would people still work on releasing 2.0.4 if there was a 2.1 to work on? |
| 21:55.16 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, those who wanted to push the release would |
| 21:55.26 | Tupone | I guess all the people who make change when we wanted to freeze, was because they wanted in the release |
| 21:55.28 | JeffM2501 | and be unhindered by small changes people who arn't caring about the relese added. |
| 21:55.38 | JeffM2501 | not everyone cares about a release |
| 21:56.09 | bryjen | doing small updates in frequent releases might work better if there were solid defined limits or goals as to what was going into each step |
| 21:56.10 | Tupone | commits were made by 4/5 peoples only. I want the name :) |
| 21:56.24 | JeffM2501 | take a guess Tupone |
| 21:56.28 | JeffM2501 | take a guess |
| 21:56.33 | DTRemenak | bryjen: like...a roadmap? nawwww... |
| 21:56.44 | JeffM2501 | roadmaps require somone to define a plan |
| 21:56.45 | trepan | JeffM2501: i tried to be cautious about casting, but a few float/doubles may have slipped |
| 21:57.00 | JeffM2501 | trepan, i'ts no biggie, I'm used to it |
| 21:57.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (16 files in 7 dirs): |
| 21:57.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added MsgGameTime, to provide a common time to all clients. |
| 21:57.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: it's currently only used for visual information, and is pretty |
| 21:57.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: weak as far as time sync'ing algos go. |
| 21:57.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - allow '-public' in the options block for Thumper |
| 21:57.15 | trepan | also, there's a small amount of OS specific code in there |
| 21:57.20 | JeffM2501 | best one I saw in our app today was "warning , casting double to bool.. possible loss of data" |
| 21:57.28 | JeffM2501 | my only respnce was "umm yeah" |
| 21:57.30 | trepan | I'd really like to see if winnies see the same time as I |
| 21:58.02 | JeffM2501 | I can't actualy connect to a server from here tho |
| 21:58.07 | JeffM2501 | I am blocked |
| 21:58.10 | trepan | i've got a map setup for testing if anyone gets around to compiling it |
| 21:58.44 | Tupone | GameTime.h |
| 21:58.54 | trepan | hell, forgot the adds |
| 21:59.22 | JeffM2501 | I'll compile today |
| 21:59.29 | JeffM2501 | but can't test till home |
| 21:59.41 | bryjen | ditto |
| 21:59.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (include/GameTime.h src/common/GameTime.cxx): add the files |
| 22:01.28 | DTRemenak | llabs? |
| 22:02.05 | trepan | uhoh, _ISOC99_SOURCE or _ISOC9X_SOURCE required |
| 22:03.00 | DTRemenak | wonder how sunprow and mipspro will like that. |
| 22:04.23 | Tupone | how old client react to MsgGameTime ? |
| 22:04.38 | JeffM2501 | gack.. too many open bzflag projects..... |
| 22:04.44 | DTRemenak | Tupone: clients drop unknown packets |
| 22:04.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/GameTime.cxx: no more llabs() |
| 22:04.50 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, they ignore them |
| 22:04.53 | Tupone | ok |
| 22:05.12 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 22:05.15 | RPG_ | i can't yawn |
| 22:05.15 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 97F. |
| 22:05.19 | SportyGal | ugh |
| 22:05.21 | Silent_Swan | ouch |
| 22:05.25 | Silent_Swan | !weather 60515 |
| 22:05.25 | RPG_ | braces rubberbands stop me from yawning |
| 22:05.28 | TheLastSpartan | Silent_Swan: The current temperature in Downers Grove, Illinois (60515) is 37F. |
| 22:05.33 | Silent_Swan | omg |
| 22:05.34 | RPG_ | hell no |
| 22:05.35 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, did you do a spin when you yawned? that would be dramatic, AND theatric :) |
| 22:05.36 | Silent_Swan | it is NOT that cold |
| 22:05.37 | RPG_ | it's 67 here |
| 22:05.39 | Silent_Swan | not even close |
| 22:05.39 | SportyGal | that's gonna be a seriously brutal ride home |
| 22:05.40 | Silent_Swan | yeah |
| 22:05.42 | RPG_ | !weather 60137 |
| 22:05.46 | TheLastSpartan | RPG_: The current temperature in Glen Ellyn, Illinois (60137) is 63F. |
| 22:05.58 | RPG_ | mmmm good bonfire weather |
| 22:05.59 | Silent_Swan | RPG_ yours is right... |
| 22:06.09 | Silent_Swan | but it *is* chilly :( |
| 22:06.15 | SportyGal | maybe TheLastSpartan was dyslexic when it responded to SS |
| 22:06.23 | Silent_Swan | hah |
| 22:06.26 | RPG_ | heh |
| 22:06.33 | JeffM2501 | she tells em like she sees em |
| 22:06.39 | JeffM2501 | !weather 93021 |
| 22:06.44 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California (93021) is 93F. |
| 22:06.53 | RPG_ | pissh |
| 22:06.53 | JeffM2501 | ahhh the joys of flame |
| 22:07.06 | SportyGal | jeffm2501!! What are you doing with cooler temps than my beach!?! |
| 22:07.22 | JeffM2501 | SportyGal, I am lucky |
| 22:07.27 | JeffM2501 | it's my mutant abbility |
| 22:07.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/GameTime.cxx: conversion precision warning |
| 22:08.31 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, are you in windows now? |
| 22:08.31 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:09.11 | Tupone | trepan: server address ? |
| 22:09.17 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: wanna come pick me up from work so I don't have to ride in this ICK |
| 22:09.18 | JeffM2501 | you doing it? |
| 22:09.41 | JeffM2501 | SportyGal, a 3 hour drive past a fire, unfortontaly I'll have to say I'll pass ;) |
| 22:09.50 | SportyGal | hrmph |
| 22:10.06 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: so if I pass out from heat exhaustion, I'll just blame you! :) |
| 22:10.21 | JeffM2501 | SportyGal, bus :) |
| 22:10.23 | *** join/#bzflag Chestal (i=thilo@vmax.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) |
| 22:10.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Chestal] by ChanServ |
| 22:10.24 | JeffM2501 | how far is it? |
| 22:10.29 | trepan | Tupone: trepan.bzflag.bz:5432 |
| 22:10.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/common.vcproj: add time stuff |
| 22:10.54 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: not THAT far - only about 3-4 miles, but the last mile is straight up a hill |
| 22:11.04 | RPG_ | can't your vehicle take it? |
| 22:11.07 | JeffM2501 | that is an icky hill |
| 22:11.13 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, she is on a bike |
| 22:11.39 | SportyGal | RPG_: on my new bike: http://www.bacchettabikes.com/b-giro20.htm |
| 22:11.41 | JeffM2501 | that that isn't |
| 22:11.49 | RPG_ | funky |
| 22:12.41 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: they have BUSES in california?! go figure! |
| 22:14.17 | bryjen | do they park 'em in the basement? |
| 22:15.44 | JeffM2501 | they do |
| 22:15.44 | bryjen | yeesh. my first two cars were less $ than that bike. |
| 22:18.11 | trepan | Tupone: heh, that server hasn't been upgraded |
| 22:18.38 | Tupone | I'm still compiling :( |
| 22:20.39 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.151) |
| 22:20.59 | Tupone | compile is terminated. Server is down :( |
| 22:21.29 | trepan | up at trepan.homelinux.net:5432 |
| 22:23.06 | SportyGal | bry: just like I buy my cars used, I bought the bike used. :) |
| 22:23.13 | SportyGal | awww he left |
| 22:24.05 | DTRemenak | trepan: how often is getRawTime called (roughly)? |
| 22:24.57 | trepan | DTRemenak: updates are every 10 secs |
| 22:25.05 | *** join/#bzflag bz1342 (n=8eb15d54@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:25.20 | trepan | that, and once per frame (at least) for setting the step |
| 22:25.52 | trepan | Tupone: thx |
| 22:25.57 | Tupone | yw |
| 22:27.30 | trepan | DTRemenak: you have a dropin for gettimeofday() on win? |
| 22:28.22 | DTRemenak | basically. it's a bit higher-overhead than is useful for most timer stuff, which was why I was wondering. |
| 22:29.43 | trepan | it's 'step' cache on the client, so it really isn't that bad |
| 22:31.12 | SportyGal | howdy orchid |
| 22:31.15 | trepan | (FPS + 1/10) calls per sec, insignificant compared to some of the STL usage, i would think |
| 22:31.23 | orchid | hi |
| 22:31.24 | DTRemenak | what should I be seing on the test server? |
| 22:32.02 | trepan | ya need two people |
| 22:32.14 | trepan | ones follows the green smarty ;) |
| 22:32.53 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 22:33.46 | JeffM2501 | so we can ship it? |
| 22:34.51 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar) |
| 22:36.27 | JeffM2501 | an empty web host? |
| 22:41.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/GameTime.cxx: simpler windows time code |
| 22:42.02 | JeffM2501 | ship it? |
| 22:43.27 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 22:43.29 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 93F. |
| 22:43.44 | JeffM2501 | !weather 93021 |
| 22:43.48 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California (93021) is 92F. |
| 22:44.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: not quite. there was some other problem with the test map. perhaps unrelated. trepan thinks he knows where to look for the problem. |
| 22:44.13 | JeffM2501 | !weather thousand oaks, ca |
| 22:44.16 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Thousand Oaks, California (91319) is 88F. |
| 22:44.22 | DTRemenak | !weather 91126 |
| 22:44.25 | TheLastSpartan | DTRemenak: The current temperature in Pasadena, California (91126) is 92F. |
| 22:44.37 | JeffM2501 | shall be nicer at home |
| 22:46.57 | DTRemenak | isn't it always nicer at home? :) |
| 22:48.18 | JeffM2501 | not allways |
| 22:48.27 | JeffM2501 | depends who's thre |
| 22:48.30 | JeffM2501 | there |
| 22:50.07 | JeffM2501 | tonight they are all at class tho |
| 22:50.11 | JeffM2501 | so will be nice and quiet |
| 22:51.26 | JeffM2501 | maybe I'll be able to find out what my depth buffer problem is |
| 22:51.28 | JeffM2501 | :( |
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| 22:53.40 | trepan | DTRemenak: group s1\n tint 0 1 0\n spin 45 0 0 1 =) |
| 22:54.14 | DTRemenak | trepan: ? |
| 22:54.26 | trepan | 45 degrees, green smarty |
| 22:54.52 | DTRemenak | ok, and... :) |
| 22:55.01 | trepan | the display list wasn't build property, so it bailed |
| 22:55.07 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 22:57.14 | *** join/#bzflag a_monkey (n=elmunky@user-0can33s.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 22:57.27 | a_monkey | i'm extremely amazed |
| 22:57.29 | a_monkey | 0.0 |
| 22:57.31 | trepan | can you get to the DEBUG0's ? |
| 22:57.45 | a_monkey | after updating cvs just now, i get up to 429 fps on regular settings |
| 22:57.57 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, yes there have been enhancements |
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| 22:58.54 | RPG_ | hey Noodleman |
| 22:59.11 | JeffM2501 | those are the numbers you shold have been geting all long with the wee bit of geo bz has been shoveling to your card :) |
| 22:59.47 | a_monkey | the human eye isn't supposed to be able to detect anything higher than like 50 fps anyway |
| 22:59.51 | a_monkey | so who cares |
| 23:00.02 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, it means you can now push MORE geo |
| 23:00.09 | a_monkey | mm |
| 23:00.10 | a_monkey | cool |
| 23:00.18 | JeffM2501 | and it'll come down to reasonable frame rates |
| 23:00.24 | JeffM2501 | like the islands map |
| 23:01.38 | Noodleman | hey RPG_ |
| 23:01.55 | JeffM2501 | dude your still alive ;) |
| 23:02.28 | Noodleman | hehehe |
| 23:02.41 | Noodleman | i graduate army basic training tomorrow! |
| 23:02.52 | Noodleman | i've been gone too long! |
| 23:03.06 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 23:03.08 | JeffM2501 | congrats |
| 23:03.27 | Noodleman | thanks |
| 23:03.32 | Noodleman | w00 |
| 23:03.32 | JeffM2501 | you like it? |
| 23:03.44 | Noodleman | and i'll finally get some decent sleep :-) |
| 23:03.53 | Noodleman | heh, do i like basic? |
| 23:03.58 | Noodleman | hell no :-P |
| 23:04.13 | Noodleman | it was a positive experience tho, overall |
| 23:04.21 | JeffM2501 | but the army part? |
| 23:04.31 | Noodleman | yeah, the army part is the shit |
| 23:04.37 | JeffM2501 | lang please |
| 23:04.47 | JeffM2501 | yup your an army man now :0 |
| 23:04.52 | Noodleman | sorry |
| 23:04.58 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 23:04.58 | Noodleman | the shiznat :-) |
| 23:05.00 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:06.13 | Noodleman | i got a 6 hour pass today and an 8 hour one tomorrow, then i go off to AIT to learn my specific job |
| 23:06.27 | JeffM2501 | and what will that be? |
| 23:06.45 | Noodleman | lemme get you a link |
| 23:07.29 | Noodleman | http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjobs/a/14e.htm |
| 23:08.01 | JeffM2501 | ahhh missle launcher |
| 23:08.35 | Noodleman | push button, go BOOM! |
| 23:09.32 | JeffM2501 | friend of mine is an advanced scout |
| 23:09.46 | JeffM2501 | he points laser, calls you, you push button, go boom |
| 23:09.58 | Silent_Swan | ok... *sigh* shattered is back online |
| 23:10.12 | JeffM2501 | tho knowing the army, there is probably 3 people in the middle of you 2 |
| 23:10.24 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 23:10.28 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, you should add a texture and make it rain swans :) |
| 23:10.46 | Silent_Swan | perhaps |
| 23:10.54 | Silent_Swan | better yet |
| 23:10.59 | Silent_Swan | have it rain goose poop |
| 23:11.13 | JeffM2501 | the rabbit shot could look like it |
| 23:11.23 | Silent_Swan | hah |
| 23:11.44 | Silent_Swan | i guess i've got little better to do with my time, so may as well start the server again... it was kind of fun |
| 23:12.03 | JeffM2501 | you should get louman to make you a map |
| 23:12.22 | RPG_ | i like MadCity |
| 23:12.28 | RPG_ | maybe a Louman Madcity.... |
| 23:12.32 | Silent_Swan | i would consider making my own |
| 23:12.41 | Silent_Swan | but it'll be a loooooong time before i do that |
| 23:12.50 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 23:12.53 | Silent_Swan | no, it isn't |
| 23:12.59 | JeffM2501 | your smart, you'd be fine |
| 23:13.04 | Silent_Swan | but i'm too visual to edit maps in vi |
| 23:13.18 | JeffM2501 | then use one of the 2 visual editors :) |
| 23:13.20 | JeffM2501 | or blender |
| 23:13.27 | Silent_Swan | how could blender work??? |
| 23:13.34 | RPG_ | hell, BZEdit :) |
| 23:13.37 | JeffM2501 | you can export stuff out of blender and just use it |
| 23:13.40 | Silent_Swan | oh god, i hate blender |
| 23:13.44 | RPG_ | Wings3D is easy for beginners |
| 23:13.44 | JeffM2501 | it is evil |
| 23:13.52 | JeffM2501 | there are many 3d editors |
| 23:14.11 | JeffM2501 | many for the mac |
| 23:14.21 | Silent_Swan | i have wings3d, maya, etc... |
| 23:14.28 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: blender export works? |
| 23:14.36 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, no, but could go as obj |
| 23:14.42 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 i'm confused... blender exports bzmaps????? |
| 23:14.44 | purple_cow | oh, pff |
| 23:14.45 | Silent_Swan | oh |
| 23:14.51 | SportyGal | Noodleman: very cool! congrats! |
| 23:15.04 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, not diretcly ( yet ), but there is a conversion tool from obj to bzmap |
| 23:15.11 | JeffM2501 | and many editors export obj |
| 23:15.27 | Silent_Swan | really... what is the tool called? |
| 23:15.31 | JeffM2501 | modeltool :) |
| 23:15.35 | Silent_Swan | ah... |
| 23:15.42 | Silent_Swan | hmm.... perhaps i'll play with this |
| 23:15.47 | Silent_Swan | though i'd rather use maya |
| 23:15.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ (game/TextureMatrix.cxx geometry/MeshSceneNode.cxx): fix texmats, add an extra DEBUG0 for failing windows mesh xform dlists |
| 23:15.55 | JeffM2501 | it converts obj files or most of the data from a quake3 map |
| 23:15.57 | Silent_Swan | perhaps if i get *really* bored.... bah |
| 23:16.30 | JeffM2501 | sadly OSX map editing is limited |
| 23:16.32 | JeffM2501 | for now |
| 23:16.59 | Silent_Swan | i'm not entirely limited to OSX |
| 23:17.06 | Noodleman | SportyGal: thanks :-) |
| 23:20.17 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 23:20.22 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 91F. |
| 23:21.06 | SportyGal | sigh, well, I can't really wait any longer to go home. If you don't hear from me for a long time, I'm probably dead :) (and no cheering - that's not nice!) |
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| 23:35.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/ (MeshDrawMgr.cxx MeshSceneNode.cxx): more display list generation debugging |
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| 23:45.15 | JeffM2501 | hmmm.. merge over the clock code? or just redo my mods..... |
| 23:54.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/MeshSceneNode.cxx: install the context init. callbacks |
| 23:54.30 | trepan | hopefully, that's it |
