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| 00:04.46 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: thanks - lagwarn fix works |
| 00:06.12 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:07.12 | trepan | cool, stencil shadows look better then stippled, esp. for scale screenies |
| 00:07.44 | JeffM2501 | stipple is crap |
| 00:08.25 | trepan | yup, stencil method also gives you an alpha to play with |
| 00:09.05 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:09.42 | trepan | still ain't propa, but it's better ;) |
| 00:09.58 | JeffM2501 | not volumetric I assume? |
| 00:10.45 | trepan | nope, just a quickie |
| 00:11.45 | JeffM2501 | hmm free subversion isn't too bad, not that fastest but it works |
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| 00:45.53 | learner | eep |
| 00:46.13 | Aribeth | hello learner |
| 00:46.19 | learner | Aribeth: hello :) |
| 00:46.27 | learner | firefly.. some redemption there ;) |
| 00:46.36 | Aribeth | :) |
| 00:46.46 | TimRiker | debian x86 package built. I'm starting one on ppc just to be sure. I'll do some testing on it tonight, |
| 00:46.51 | Aribeth | waiting for Serenity |
| 00:47.02 | learner | TimRiker: cool |
| 00:47.41 | learner | TimRiker: can you give an overview of what exactly you have to do to make a debian release and actually get it merged into debian? |
| 00:48.37 | SportChick | um....okay this is weird |
| 00:48.39 | SportChick | menotume: ping |
| 00:49.08 | SportChick | I did multi-hunt on silvercat (hunted two people) and it worked fine. Changed to secretplace and it didn't work at all |
| 00:49.14 | SportChick | couldn't even single-hunt |
| 00:49.50 | TimRiker | what about after a quite/restart? |
| 00:49.55 | TimRiker | er quit. |
| 00:49.58 | SportChick | I'm going to try again now |
| 00:50.06 | learner | no prob |
| 00:50.56 | trepan | SportChick: check your config file for 'hunt' and 'addhunt' bindings |
| 00:51.01 | TimRiker | learner: edit debian/changelog then do a "make debian-release", test and dupload the package (as a debian developer) |
| 00:51.22 | SportChick | TimRiker: yeah, that worked. But it's weird that it did that |
| 00:51.23 | learner | dupload is a debian command? |
| 00:51.40 | SportChick | trepan - it worked fine on first server. Just couldn't leave and reconnect to a new server without quitting first |
| 00:52.33 | TimRiker | learner: yeah. oh, I left out debsign to get the gpg sig in there. so debsign, then dupload. |
| 00:53.15 | learner | TimRiker: you edit changelog.in by hand? |
| 00:54.11 | TimRiker | normally, yes. I edit in the debian stuff like closing bugs etc, and a short blurb about the rest like "new effects". folks can look at the regular readme for the details. |
| 00:54.57 | SportChick | trepan: hunt and addhunt bindings are there |
| 00:55.11 | TimRiker | I normally edit the changelog, then copy the new section into the changelog.in and cvs commit. then I build, test, then upload the debian package and the source tar and zip to sf. |
| 00:55.25 | learner | got it |
| 00:55.35 | TimRiker | oh, I left out tagging the source. ;-) |
| 00:55.41 | learner | looks like buildsnap has most of that logic (though now it makes a little more sense in context) |
| 00:55.55 | SportChick | okay - I was able to replicate the problem. |
| 00:56.16 | JeffM2501 | tag often happens before you build deb tho, we tag when we do the windows releases |
| 00:56.28 | SportChick | Hunt/addhunt works fine the first time you connect to a server. However, if you connect to a new server without restarting the client, hunt/addhunt no longer works |
| 00:56.30 | JeffM2501 | and sad to say, that's often fastest |
| 00:56.45 | learner | TimRiker: what's the function of the rules file? part of the .deb installer magic foo for how to install? |
| 00:56.55 | TimRiker | you can just run debian/buildsnap. make debian-release makes sure that automake it setup right first, then runs debian/buildsnap in a temp tree that comes from the unpacked tar. |
| 00:57.40 | learner | SportChick, just as long as you don't find any bugs while you test ;) |
| 00:57.42 | TimRiker | the ruls is a make file that does all the debian specific stuff. that's a normal debian package thing. the stuff in buildsnap is my own goo. |
| 00:57.52 | trepan | SportChick: ya, that should get fixed... |
| 00:57.54 | TimRiker | er rules... |
| 00:58.59 | learner | is there a web-interface equivalent to dupload? |
| 00:59.12 | TimRiker | learner: I normally so this on an up to date debian unstable system so I check against the currect depends. |
| 00:59.26 | TimRiker | learner: possibly. not that I've used though. |
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| 01:02.20 | SportChick | hehe, I went back and tried to put on addhunt and it didn't work! DOH! I had started wrong client |
| 01:05.03 | learner | TimRiker: thanks for the insight |
| 01:05.30 | TimRiker | I'll add some of this to DEVINFO, but I gotta head home at the moment. |
| 01:05.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/DEVINFO: zip too |
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| 01:10.26 | SportChick | question: what other than multi-hunt changed? My on-screen jitter jumped quite a bit from r4. My jitter stat jumped as well. |
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| 01:33.08 | Grumbler | we are all waiting for more words of wizdom SportChick |
| 01:33.26 | Thumper_ | and some of us went to play bzflag... |
| 01:33.27 | RPG_ | nobody wants to acknowledge that 2.0.4 may have a problem |
| 01:33.29 | SportChick | Grumbler: from whom? |
| 01:34.15 | Grumbler | you, heh, hey, i was playing with rc5 as well.......didnt see anything |
| 01:35.17 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, 2.0.4 isn't out yet |
| 01:35.24 | JeffM2501 | what problem are you having |
| 01:35.42 | RPG_ | i havn't used it yet |
| 01:35.45 | RPG_ | reinstealling VC++ |
| 01:35.56 | JeffM2501 | then why would noone acknowledge it :) |
| 01:36.15 | JeffM2501 | some jitter mouse stuff changed ( tupone ) |
| 01:36.27 | JeffM2501 | other then that LOTs of graphical things |
| 01:37.11 | Grumbler | ~nslookup 70.68.34.108 |
| 01:38.01 | SportChick | JeffM2501: any ideas what I should tweak to try and get my jitter back under wraps? |
| 01:40.26 | JeffM2501 | is your frame rate lower? |
| 01:40.57 | SportChick | let me check |
| 01:42.44 | SportChick | no framerate is virtually identicle |
| 01:42.50 | JeffM2501 | dono then |
| 01:42.53 | SportChick | r4 = 53-60 |
| 01:43.02 | SportChick | r5 = 57-58 |
| 01:43.27 | JeffM2501 | jitter is not my area |
| 01:43.32 | JeffM2501 | is it just the stat? |
| 01:45.04 | SportChick | no, I first noticed it on-screen, THEN in stat |
| 01:45.35 | JeffM2501 | it as bad as it was with your old problem? |
| 01:46.05 | SportChick | well, I don't know. It certainly gives me a headache - if I watch the HUD while turning, I get sick to my stomach and dizzy :( |
| 01:46.30 | JeffM2501 | like it bounces back and forth? |
| 01:46.35 | JeffM2501 | graphicaly? |
| 01:46.41 | JeffM2501 | or just studders? |
| 01:46.49 | SportChick | it's like it shakes from right to left to right constantly |
| 01:46.57 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 01:47.09 | JeffM2501 | that could be the back buffer thing I did |
| 01:47.28 | JeffM2501 | or it could be mouse stuff |
| 01:51.11 | jomojo | Jeffm2501: you around? |
| 01:51.20 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:51.59 | jomojo | i am trying to help longhair set up some global groups |
| 01:52.07 | jomojo | do you have time to set them up? |
| 01:52.14 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, get this, http://my.bzflag.org/temp/bzflag.zip |
| 01:52.24 | JeffM2501 | unzip it and replace your existing RC5 exe with it |
| 01:52.27 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, sure |
| 01:52.57 | jomojo | one second |
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| 02:03.44 | SportChick | JeffM2501: okay, so that one was marginally better when I'm standing still or moving slowly. However, when turning, the stuff out HUD is so blurry it's hard to see anything |
| 02:04.08 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 02:04.23 | JeffM2501 | the hud is blury? |
| 02:04.30 | JeffM2501 | or the stuff that iSN"T the hud is blurry? |
| 02:04.33 | JeffM2501 | like the world part? |
| 02:04.34 | SportChick | the jitter stat was lower, however (about 1/2 as much) and I didn't see the shaking I had before - this is more smooth. when turning, HUD is blurry |
| 02:04.49 | JeffM2501 | wierdness |
| 02:05.02 | SportChick | or to be more specific, the VIEW out the HUD is blurry when turning |
| 02:05.11 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean the VIEW? |
| 02:05.16 | JeffM2501 | the buildings and grass? |
| 02:05.21 | JeffM2501 | or the elements of the actual hud? |
| 02:05.33 | SportChick | buildings, roofs, walkways, etc. |
| 02:05.36 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:05.37 | SportChick | wasn't looking at the grass |
| 02:05.39 | JeffM2501 | that's just the world |
| 02:05.39 | SportChick | however, |
| 02:05.44 | JeffM2501 | hows the chat area? |
| 02:05.56 | SportChick | this one was definitely better than r5 |
| 02:06.04 | SportChick | the other r5, I mean |
| 02:06.11 | SportChick | I'll go check - didn't notice the chat area |
| 02:06.11 | JeffM2501 | you must have a very wierd back buffer setup |
| 02:06.12 | SportChick | brb |
| 02:06.27 | JeffM2501 | the slowness is probably the mouse throttle |
| 02:06.30 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 02:06.46 | JeffM2501 | I just undid the change I did for SLI |
| 02:06.48 | SportChick | text is fine |
| 02:07.07 | JeffM2501 | at the same slow speeds how is RC4? |
| 02:07.24 | SportChick | at same speeds, r4 is better |
| 02:07.25 | JeffM2501 | it's not a think you can setup |
| 02:07.35 | JeffM2501 | I was just making a comment |
| 02:07.44 | SportChick | ok |
| 02:08.29 | JeffM2501 | how does it look at full speed? |
| 02:08.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/platform/WinVisual.cxx: doin't do the swap PFD, some stuff dosn't like it ( lapys ) |
| 02:08.34 | JeffM2501 | in this one? |
| 02:08.55 | SportChick | in r5? |
| 02:08.55 | JeffM2501 | in the one I Sent you |
| 02:08.55 | SportChick | (this r5)? |
| 02:08.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:09.09 | SportChick | "it" meaning the text? or something else? |
| 02:09.20 | JeffM2501 | the stuff that was blurry at slow mouse speeds |
| 02:09.28 | JeffM2501 | is it blurry at full tanks speed? |
| 02:09.35 | SportChick | brb - gonna do a comparison between fast/slow |
| 02:09.43 | JeffM2501 | and does anyone know how old cedric is? |
| 02:11.16 | SportChick | okay, back |
| 02:12.24 | SportChick | so, at slow speed, turning produces some small amounts of jitter (or stutter if you will). At faster speeds, I can't seen stuttering, but it is much blurrier (is that a word? it is now) out the HUD. There is still blur at slow speeds, but not to the same extent as at high speeds. |
| 02:12.42 | SportChick | brb - gotta check the laundry |
| 02:16.06 | JeffM2501 | I got nothin else |
| 02:16.09 | JeffM2501 | time to go home |
| 02:24.44 | bryjen | yeeeargh. |
| 02:25.15 | bryjen | ah, nevermind. whitespaceman strikes again :/ |
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| 02:48.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (9 files in 5 dirs): add stencil shadows |
| 02:49.35 | JeffM2501 | noo nooo branching is a bad idea |
| 02:51.09 | JeffM2501 | and now I"m gonna have to merge that in ya bastard :) |
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| 02:53.06 | LouMan | does anyone know what the correct process is for requesting an additional feature with bzfs? |
| 02:53.15 | JeffM2501 | umm ask us |
| 02:53.25 | trepan | JeffM2501: huh? |
| 02:53.32 | LouMan | k, thinking about some sort of timed flag reset feature |
| 02:54.03 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, a olugin can do that |
| 02:54.07 | JeffM2501 | plugin |
| 02:54.09 | trepan | LouMan: the dedicated zone flags code is started too |
| 02:54.32 | LouMan | ah - cool - i knew about the plugin, but too complicated for me ;) |
| 02:54.37 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I asked if they had wanted to branch this AM, so that the release would not be head, but they said "no" |
| 02:55.14 | JeffM2501 | and now I have to merge your changes into another thing |
| 02:55.30 | JeffM2501 | trepan, so your not near done? |
| 02:55.44 | trepan | what are you having to merge if it hasn't branched? |
| 02:56.03 | JeffM2501 | didn't say I had to merge it here :) |
| 02:56.07 | trepan | and ya, that's very few lines of code... been holding off a little to decide if i want to put in some real anim |
| 02:56.31 | trepan | don't think i will, should have decided/finished before i sleep ;) |
| 02:56.52 | trepan | JeffM2501: the question stands, what are you merging it into? |
| 02:57.00 | JeffM2501 | stuff |
| 02:57.57 | trepan | and we should care about your merging into undisclosed "stuff" because ...? =) |
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| 02:58.44 | JeffM2501 | ohh I didn't say you should care |
| 02:58.55 | JeffM2501 | it's just why I called you a bastage :) |
| 02:59.12 | trepan | ah, but a whiff of whining in it ;) |
| 02:59.24 | JeffM2501 | and your point? :) |
| 02:59.32 | JeffM2501 | the whine was for "the man" |
| 02:59.43 | JeffM2501 | we did not have good relations today |
| 03:00.31 | trepan | was wonder about (annoyance > contribution) earlier |
| 03:00.51 | JeffM2501 | he's big on seagull management |
| 03:01.17 | trepan | but to branch before an imminent release is just silly though |
| 03:01.53 | JeffM2501 | the idea was, that people could add stuff, and then just REAL bugs that are release crit woudl go to the bransh |
| 03:16.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SceneRenderer.cxx playing.cxx): disable stencilShadows for depthComplexity and interlaced modes |
| 03:16.22 | learner | hmm.. serenity now |
| 03:16.34 | BenUrban | now? |
| 03:16.38 | BenUrban | it's a bit early.... |
| 03:16.54 | Aribeth | :) |
| 03:17.21 | BenUrban | billions of people, all waiting for one movie to come out |
| 03:17.22 | Aribeth | then Wallis and Gromit, then Harry Potter |
| 03:17.25 | BenUrban | wait that can't be right |
| 03:17.48 | BenUrban | how would you know? you can't even spell serenity :P |
| 03:18.23 | Aribeth | !dict serenity |
| 03:18.25 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: serenity n 1: a disposition free from stress or emotion [syn: {repose}, {quiet}, {placidity}, {tranquillity}, {tranquility}] 2: the absence of mental stress or anxiety [syn: {peace}, {peacefulness}, {peace of mind}, {repose}, {heartsease}, {ataraxis}]; gcide: Serenity \Se*ren"i*ty\, n. [L. serenuas: cf. F. s['e]r['e]nit['e].] 1. (6 more messages) |
| 03:18.32 | BenUrban | <Aribeth> now Serinety, thats something to look forward to |
| 03:18.37 | Aribeth | its spelled right |
| 03:18.52 | BenUrban | :) |
| 03:19.20 | learner | yeah.. grommit and potthead.. should be great |
| 03:20.10 | Aribeth | i have to read the harry poter book before the movie comes out |
| 03:21.21 | Aribeth | BenUrban, it is spelled Serenity |
| 03:21.32 | BenUrban | i know |
| 03:21.40 | BenUrban | i was quoting you |
| 03:21.45 | Aribeth | ohhhh |
| 03:21.56 | BenUrban | several hours ago |
| 03:21.59 | BenUrban | you misspelled it |
| 03:22.04 | Aribeth | oops |
| 03:22.06 | BenUrban | :) |
| 03:22.14 | BenUrban | and you didn't notice when i pointed it out |
| 03:22.20 | BenUrban | but now you noticed |
| 03:22.20 | Aribeth | well, i never could spell |
| 03:22.21 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, ping |
| 03:22.37 | Aribeth | i was prolly afk at the time |
| 03:26.13 | DTRemenak | sgk284: pong |
| 03:26.54 | learner | and he scores! |
| 03:36.53 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, hey:) valgrind is a debugger too right, not just a memory profiler |
| 03:37.28 | DTRemenak | first and foremost it is a memory error catcher. it's neither a full debugger or a full memory profiler |
| 03:37.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 03:37.52 | sgk284 | oh okay, thanks :) |
| 03:37.54 | learner | sucks at actual debugging |
| 03:38.01 | learner | but great at identifying bugs ;) |
| 03:38.05 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:38.08 | DTRemenak | for debugging it will dump into gdb if you want it to |
| 03:38.27 | sgk284 | yea i have it doing that, but i thought maybe it had a more feature filled debugger |
| 03:38.29 | DTRemenak | mostly it's great for catching bugs that are intermittent. reading free'd memory etc |
| 03:39.41 | sgk284 | okay, thanks :) |
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| 03:44.02 | Aribeth | heh the serenity movie site crashed firefox |
| 03:53.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: teleporters are people too |
| 03:56.35 | BenUrban | Aribeth: at first i thought you said the Serenity movie site crashed FireFly |
| 03:57.09 | Aribeth | heh |
| 04:01.55 | sgk284 | sporty, everything okay? |
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| 04:07.48 | Aribeth | arrgles? |
| 04:08.07 | brlcad | arrrg |
| 04:08.12 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 04:08.15 | brlcad | argling :) |
| 04:08.31 | Aribeth | an unhappy state i gather |
| 04:08.53 | brlcad | more frustration than unhappy |
| 04:08.59 | Aribeth | ahhh |
| 04:09.24 | brlcad | lot of typing and logic to work out .. |
| 04:09.31 | trepan | brlcad: i imagine that writing the code to support the syntax took a little more effort then the code to parse it ;) |
| 04:09.32 | Aribeth | ic |
| 04:09.33 | brlcad | making my rsi act up |
| 04:10.00 | brlcad | trepan: pffft, code shmode :) |
| 04:10.00 | Aribeth | rsi? |
| 04:10.24 | trepan | repetitive stress injury |
| 04:10.34 | brlcad | "really sucky inflammation" of ones wrists/forearms.. |
| 04:10.36 | Aribeth | ahh, got t |
| 04:10.42 | Aribeth | yep |
| 04:11.00 | Aribeth | my knee feels a little like that today |
| 04:11.19 | brlcad | usually strain, not stress no? |
| 04:11.30 | brlcad | either way, sucks |
| 04:11.45 | trepan | brlcad: coulda saved yourself time by just hooking into the current code with printBrlCad() for each type ;) |
| 04:11.51 | Aribeth | i smashed it on a wwII radio 25 years ago |
| 04:12.02 | brlcad | irritated ever since I used a mouse with my right hand a week ago for a couple days |
| 04:12.10 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 04:12.26 | Aribeth | my left knee has never been the same after that |
| 04:12.38 | Aribeth | gets stiff every so often |
| 04:12.40 | SportChick | sgk284: no, not really. r5 is reverting back to jitter issues for me |
| 04:12.49 | brlcad | trepan: I considered that.. but then writing the lexer/parser is half/most of the fun |
| 04:12.55 | Aribeth | i could hardly walk the other day |
| 04:13.02 | SportChick | sgk284: a different kind of jitter, but making it hard to play or completely unplayable nonetheless |
| 04:13.26 | brlcad | i can parse any of the pre-mesh maps now, so through 1.10 or thereabouts |
| 04:14.15 | brlcad | it parses ;) |
| 04:14.23 | Aribeth | lol |
| 04:14.36 | Aribeth | er...does for bzflag |
| 04:14.42 | JeffM2501 | what is the oposet of parse? |
| 04:15.27 | Aribeth | compile |
| 04:16.02 | brlcad | unparse |
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| 04:18.42 | Aribeth | ok, to refrase, where is this parser used in bz? |
| 04:19.40 | brlcad | this parser isn't used in bz, at least not yet |
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| 04:20.00 | brlcad | bz does it's own half-baked parsing |
| 04:20.48 | uso | lol |
| 04:21.38 | bryjen | par(se)bioled? |
| 04:21.52 | bryjen | s/io/oi/ |
| 04:22.31 | uso | drop the meshes, real maps only need boxes and pyramids :) |
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| 04:31.30 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, how about you ask other people, istead of taking the pitty angle |
| 04:31.45 | JeffM2501 | don't assume everyone knows of your problem and is going to spend %100 of there time on it |
| 04:33.03 | JeffM2501 | have you even posted about it in the RC5 thread? |
| 04:50.02 | brlcad | trepan, the manpage lists textureMatrix has having 4 floats on scale (presumably for u/v) .. what are the other two? |
| 04:50.36 | brlcad | shear? |
| 04:51.05 | brlcad | hmm. that'd just be a third, not four |
| 04:59.11 | trepan | scale 0.0 0.0 # u/v freqs, u/v scales |
| 04:59.21 | trepan | it's missing two values ;) |
| 04:59.35 | brlcad | i saw that.. wondered whether they are optional |
| 05:01.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: 4 params for textureMatrix scale |
| 05:03.54 | JeffM2501 | trepan, can you think of anything in your changes that would have made the screen "burry" for SportChick ? |
| 05:04.09 | JeffM2501 | I took out the backbuffer sawp thing in the PFD and he helped her a bit |
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| 06:05.34 | QBeep | Hola... are Trepan's most recent additions documented anywhere? |
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| 06:58.10 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all |
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| 09:23.55 | LePoulpe303 | i need a windows user to test my bzflag launcher program ; anyone interested ? |
| 09:25.39 | LePoulpe303 | msg me |
| 10:17.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (11 files in 7 dirs): |
| 10:17.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added material name aliases (same material props, diff names) |
| 10:17.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - documented drawInfo in bzw.5 (but missing bottom section) |
| 10:17.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - removed split nodes and shadowNode from MeshSceneNode |
| 10:17.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - more cleanup for the MeshSceneNode material conversion |
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| 10:52.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: more drawInfo doc |
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| 12:34.20 | menotume | SC has reported a bug in multi-hunt - i'll look at it now |
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| 12:39.05 | bz8108 | me a novice at server admin....i wan to know how to find the ip address of a player on a server started by me |
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| 12:40.26 | bz8108 | nebody with any suggestions |
| 12:41.10 | bz8108 | nebody??? |
| 12:41.24 | bz8108 | :(( |
| 12:50.04 | ToughShooter | Showed progress while downloading textures is broken. http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/38/bild10fk.png |
| 12:51.32 | trepan | i've seen it when i stopped joining a world midway through the connection |
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| 12:54.44 | ToughShooter | Yeah, I've changed team and tried to join again while it was sill downloading |
| 12:55.28 | ToughShooter | Then I got this with todays anon CVS-client: http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/38/bild10fk.png |
| 12:56.27 | ToughShooter | arg, wrong one. I meant this crashlog after all was downloaded http://pastebin.com/376752 |
| 12:58.48 | trepan | learner is probably better suited to help ya with macs probs |
| 12:59.30 | learner | heh |
| 12:59.49 | ToughShooter | I had 0-1 FPS at the map, too |
| 13:00.19 | ToughShooter | that was after I restarted client and joining was successfull |
| 13:00.42 | learner | ToughShooter, that crashlog isn't too helpful -- you've apparently stripped the binary |
| 13:01.19 | ToughShooter | learner: Yeah, I should modify my installation script to stop doing that |
| 13:01.46 | learner | s/too // |
| 13:08.22 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/376775 <- Is this one more helpful? |
| 13:09.12 | trepan | ToughShooter: clear your cache directory of *.bwc files |
| 13:09.25 | ToughShooter | I did this |
| 13:09.52 | ToughShooter | then I was in the process of joining, changed team and hit join again |
| 13:10.29 | ToughShooter | it downloaded 276% of the first texture and the second one was downloaded like usual |
| 13:10.45 | ToughShooter | at "downloading world into memory" it got boom |
| 13:11.05 | learner | that is better |
| 13:11.26 | trepan | ya, that state machine is a wee bit whacked |
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| 13:19.03 | LePoulpe303 | will F12 key be active during texture download in next version of bzflag ? |
| 13:20.44 | learner | ToughShooter, does it say "downloading the world into memory" or "loading the world into memory"? |
| 13:22.30 | learner | ToughShooter, wait for that playing.cxx update and see if it still crashes for you |
| 13:22.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: more error checking while trying to load a cached world |
| 13:22.36 | ToughShooter | My bug reports have been better some time ago :( |
| 13:22.48 | ToughShooter | It's "Loading world into memory.." |
| 13:23.17 | learner | try running with those playing.cxx updates and see if it still crashes |
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| 13:23.42 | ToughShooter | Will need at least 5 hours until I get those changes |
| 13:24.02 | learner | not if you apply the patch yourself |
| 13:24.10 | learner | it's on the commits mailing list |
| 13:25.50 | learner | look here in about 10 minutes: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=33513 |
| 13:26.52 | learner | look for a message at the top to appear that says CVS: bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx ... and for all the lines that have a + add them to your playing.cxx |
| 13:27.58 | learner | i suspect FILEMGR.createDataInStream() was returning null, but it's just a guess |
| 13:29.28 | ToughShooter | I noticed that my chache dir remained emtpy after the crash |
| 13:29.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: prevent phantom zoned players from pausing |
| 13:30.17 | ToughShooter | I thought it would be as fast as anon CVS previously.. |
| 13:30.49 | learner | ToughShooter, if you were actually on the commits mailing list, you'd already have the e-mail |
| 13:31.35 | learner | i dunno, the website might actually not update for 5 hours too -- but the e-mail is already sent |
| 13:31.56 | learner | what's your sf.net ID? |
| 13:33.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): reposition centers for back-to-front sorting with spinning meshes |
| 13:33.32 | ToughShooter | Meaning my username? |
| 13:33.41 | learner | yes |
| 13:34.03 | ToughShooter | t-s |
| 13:34.28 | learner | forwarded you the commit e-mail |
| 13:34.37 | ToughShooter | tnx |
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| 13:43.40 | Grumbler | zzz |
| 13:49.05 | menotume | ~wake Grumbler |
| 13:49.07 | ibot | Grumbler: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 13:49.37 | Grumbler | yeah, yeah, sry about that....too many monitors and keyboards...... |
| 13:50.31 | ToughShooter | No more crashing |
| 13:51.20 | ToughShooter | but it doesn't report an error and displayed status isn't changed as long as I don't go into list of servers |
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| 15:27.36 | Birdie | i am propably blind..but i dont see an option to make my bullets "full" instead of being able to look "through" them |
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| 15:30.07 | Roxport | hello |
| 15:30.45 | CBG | hi Roxport |
| 15:30.47 | Roxport | question about debian |
| 15:31.42 | CBG | I'm not the guy to ask. :) |
| 15:31.48 | Roxport | that's ok :) |
| 15:31.57 | Roxport | i'm also at #debian.. |
| 15:32.05 | CBG | Ahha, good luck :) |
| 15:32.20 | Tupone | Question about bzflag ? |
| 15:33.58 | Roxport | once i get debian fired up, I will |
| 15:34.07 | Roxport | ;) |
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| 15:34.27 | CBG | 'ello TimRiker |
| 15:34.42 | Tupone | Roxport, what question about debian ? |
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| 15:38.00 | brlcad | ToughShooter: explain |
| 15:40.28 | Roxport | brb |
| 15:41.19 | brlcad | ToughShooter: what exactly were you doing again, and what would you expect the error message to say? |
| 15:41.26 | Roxport | "NO ROM BASIC" appears first time I power computer. using latest stable rel, business card, i386. burned my own CD-R on Windows. |
| 15:41.44 | Roxport | burned it on my other computer, i mean, winxp. |
| 15:41.58 | Roxport | debian target pc is p2 333, 256 m ram |
| 15:42.01 | Roxport | older pc |
| 15:42.08 | Roxport | hard drive empty |
| 15:42.19 | Grumbler | Roxport, what did the dudes over at #debain say |
| 15:42.27 | Roxport | the seemed busy.. |
| 15:42.57 | Roxport | i'm reading the instrctions at debian.org right now... |
| 15:47.43 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Like I wrote before I cleaned the cache, began process of joining, changed team and choose to join same server again. I would expect that it reports that an error message would pop up describing that something went wrong in joining process |
| 15:48.37 | brlcad | how did you clean the cache? |
| 15:48.45 | brlcad | menu option, deleted files manually? |
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| 15:49.51 | Roxport | Ithink i burned the debian install CD-R incorrectly. be back later. bye |
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| 15:53.31 | ToughShooter | deleted files manually |
| 15:53.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: provide some message if the cached world fails to load. can happen when a user manually removes cache files while playing. |
| 15:53.51 | brlcad | ToughShooter: thanks |
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| 15:54.05 | ToughShooter | That's the message I get: http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/5720/bild36dn.png |
| 15:54.43 | ToughShooter | but I deleted the cache files before I launched client |
| 15:55.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Fixed server join bug when cached worlds disappear |
| 15:56.24 | ToughShooter | meaning deleting entire cache dir |
| 15:56.52 | brlcad | [?] usually means "click/select here for more information" |
| 15:57.30 | CBG | brlcad: It's a mystery. |
| 15:57.33 | SportyGal | TimRiker: ping |
| 15:57.42 | CBG | What would use suggest instead? |
| 16:03.29 | brlcad | something that implies random more than it implies a question |
| 16:08.34 | Grumbler | * |
| 16:09.15 | brlcad | already fixing.. |
| 16:11.06 | brlcad | ewww |
| 16:11.26 | Grumbler | sry, your suppose to say "no, less filling" |
| 16:11.32 | brlcad | hehe |
| 16:24.59 | Silent_Swan | -l |
| 16:29.28 | Nidhoggr | it can be a little counterintuitive. |
| 16:30.56 | Grumbler | hey Nidhoggr, nice to see you still around......and yes it is counterintuitive...... |
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| 16:51.22 | SportyGal | NIDHOGGR!!!! |
| 16:55.17 | Silent_Swan | someone want my job? I don't want it anymore. |
| 16:56.17 | Grumbler | just wait till it gets cold out, then you will hate it more |
| 16:56.57 | Silent_Swan | cold. hmm...... summer is nearly at an end *cry* |
| 17:00.53 | Pimpinella | though summer is slightly too hot sometimes |
| 17:04.07 | Silent_Swan | winter is depressing |
| 17:04.39 | jpa- | is not |
| 17:05.08 | Birdie | winter is snowfight! |
| 17:10.55 | brlcad | winter is productivity time ;) |
| 17:11.19 | brlcad | hola Nidhoggr, que tal |
| 17:11.34 | ToughShooter | Better to concentrate on something you need to do in free time than summer but that's all |
| 17:11.36 | brlcad | they let anyone in here, sheesh |
| 17:12.50 | silverfx | http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/policies.html#Guidelines <-- Look at #8, thats a cool Copyright policy. |
| 17:15.02 | brlcad | silverfx: how so? |
| 17:19.02 | ToughShooter | I am not an organization with much money, just a man who plays BZFlag :p |
| 17:19.43 | brlcad | technically it's name is not NASA |
| 17:19.55 | brlcad | that's just an acronym for the agency |
| 17:21.24 | ToughShooter | Sure but it sounds like they claim to be a national institution for every country ;) |
| 17:23.39 | brlcad | ? where do they claim that? |
| 17:24.30 | ToughShooter | I said "it sounds like" due to the name |
| 17:26.38 | brlcad | *shrug* sounds like you're reaching for an excuse to me |
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| 17:27.28 | brlcad | there are how many space agencies? |
| 17:27.30 | Grumbler | National Aeronautics and Space Administration ......where do you see every country reference? |
| 17:27.41 | ToughShooter | They are not the "National Aeronautics and Space Administration" (AKA NASA) for me because we have no special national agency |
| 17:28.05 | Grumbler | esa, jax, russian... |
| 17:28.12 | Grumbler | india |
| 17:28.21 | Grumbler | israel |
| 17:28.50 | Grumbler | not sure, but i think korea does as well |
| 17:28.51 | brlcad | yeah, it's a booming industry |
| 17:29.03 | ToughShooter | whatever, I just don't think the name is very good ;) |
| 17:29.14 | Chestal | and they cannot even maintain a lousy space station |
| 17:29.38 | Grumbler | keyword there is "lousy" |
| 17:30.01 | brlcad | it's also supposed to be 'international' .. and that's pretty much been a flop |
| 17:30.01 | Chestal | well, it's only lousy because nobody has the means to make regular flights to it at the moment |
| 17:30.21 | Chestal | it was too dependend on the space shuttle |
| 17:31.24 | Chestal | and with the shuttle having problems, only the russians remain |
| 17:31.34 | Chestal | the world needs some new spaceships |
| 17:31.40 | brlcad | that it does |
| 17:32.09 | Grumbler | or an elevator |
| 17:32.20 | brlcad | or anti-gravity boots |
| 17:32.35 | Grumbler | and a dick tracy watch |
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| 17:47.38 | ruskie | what an incredebily incompetant team |
| 17:48.31 | Grumbler | were you on the team, or playing against? |
| 17:48.54 | ruskie | on the team |
| 17:49.23 | Grumbler | sry to hear that |
| 17:49.44 | ruskie | wanted to have some fun all I got was frustration with constant tks and caps of the oposite team... |
| 17:49.50 | ruskie | I was more times dead than playing... |
| 17:52.17 | ruskie | a /killall command would be nice... |
| 17:55.11 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.00 | ruskie | :) |
| 17:58.06 | ruskie | and boom goes everyone playing... |
| 17:58.17 | DTRemenak | yup. it's one of the standard plugins |
| 17:58.33 | ruskie | nice |
| 17:59.58 | ruskie | I hope later there be a bit better team... |
| 18:00.47 | brlcad | DTRemenak: what? no /banall? ;) |
| 18:01.00 | DTRemenak | brlcad: hmmm.... ;) |
| 18:01.27 | ToughShooter | banning all is much to write into banfile |
| 18:01.50 | DTRemenak | not much. just *.*.*.* :) |
| 18:02.07 | ToughShooter | that is because /ban *.*.*.* bans 255.*.*.* |
| 18:02.28 | DTRemenak | oh? |
| 18:02.41 | DTRemenak | that seems silly |
| 18:02.49 | ToughShooter | typing *.*.*.* into banfile makes bzfs list only 255.*.*.* as being banned, too |
| 18:02.51 | brlcad | nah, just want to ban everyone *else* |
| 18:03.03 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:03.14 | DTRemenak | brlcad: that's what antiban is for ;) |
| 18:03.43 | brlcad | or perhaps just ban everyone else playing so you can start fresh with a new batch of kiddies |
| 18:04.33 | Grumbler | http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2005-09-27-nasa-griffin-interview_x.htm |
| 18:06.34 | bryjen | American Aeronautics and Space Administration doesn't make for a nice acronym |
| 18:07.02 | bryjen | plus the canadians and mexicans might whine about being "Americans" too ;) |
| 18:07.06 | DTRemenak | USASA has a nice ring to it |
| 18:07.32 | bryjen | you-sas-ah ? |
| 18:07.53 | DTRemenak | I was thinking more ooh-sas-ah |
| 18:08.36 | bryjen | still too many vowels, Pat |
| 18:09.17 | DTRemenak | TCBCABASA? |
| 18:09.37 | DTRemenak | oopsie |
| 18:09.41 | DTRemenak | TCBCAMASA |
| 18:09.42 | bryjen | wtfASA? |
| 18:09.46 | bryjen | ah |
| 18:09.53 | DTRemenak | That Country Between Canada And Mexico |
| 18:10.14 | Grumbler | you forgot cuba |
| 18:11.11 | DTRemenak | I was just looking forward to future expansion, when it'll be That Country Between Canada and Brazil :) |
| 18:13.02 | Grumbler | "that country between artic and antartic" |
| 18:13.12 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:13.20 | DTRemenak | too many vowels, pat :) |
| 18:13.32 | bryjen | and isn't that _all_ of them? |
| 18:13.42 | DTRemenak | TCBAAAASA |
| 18:14.05 | SportyGal | Grumbler: I assume you mean "arctic"? |
| 18:14.14 | DTRemenak | "isn't that _all_ of them"..."future expansion"...that's the general idea, bryjen :) |
| 18:14.17 | Grumbler | TC-BA4SA |
| 18:14.43 | DTRemenak | TCsheepSA :) |
| 18:15.27 | bryjen | DTRemenak: at that point, we can stop refering to ourselves as a country. The Government of Earth. |
| 18:15.45 | Grumbler | arent we there already/ |
| 18:15.47 | Grumbler | ? |
| 18:18.12 | Pimpinella | ~bzfrag DTRemenak |
| 18:18.13 | ibot | ACTION makes DTRemenak feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 18:18.41 | bryjen | nice try, but if you're in the helicopter, you'd be the one dropping the napalm ;) |
| 18:18.56 | DTRemenak | hey, it makes a big splash :) |
| 18:19.30 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: whatcha want? |
| 18:20.20 | Grumbler | #6, biggie size, ice tea, and an additional biggie fry.............also a set of shock pads if they have it, mine are out of juice |
| 18:20.57 | Silent_Swan | anyone out there using SLI graphics on linux? |
| 18:21.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 18:22.09 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501 iirc |
| 18:22.18 | Silent_Swan | ok |
| 18:22.20 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501 is not linuxified |
| 18:22.20 | JeffM2501 | no sli on linux |
| 18:22.28 | Silent_Swan | oh... not supported at all? |
| 18:22.30 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 18:22.34 | Silent_Swan | bugger |
| 18:22.34 | JeffM2501 | not till the 80.xxx drivers |
| 18:22.34 | DTRemenak | erm |
| 18:22.35 | Pimpinella | oh, missed that linux... |
| 18:22.59 | JeffM2501 | it'll do 2 cards fine, but it wont' use the SLI rendering stuff |
| 18:23.11 | Silent_Swan | ok |
| 18:23.34 | JeffM2501 | at least that's what I've read |
| 18:23.46 | JeffM2501 | I haven't been able to GET linux installed on the machien tho to try for real |
| 18:23.52 | Silent_Swan | ahhh |
| 18:24.08 | Silent_Swan | probably best to stick with AGP |
| 18:24.10 | JeffM2501 | it does make sense tho, you need driver settings |
| 18:24.15 | Silent_Swan | or pci express |
| 18:24.17 | JeffM2501 | PCI-E works fine in linux |
| 18:24.24 | JeffM2501 | and you can allways add the second card later |
| 18:24.27 | DTRemenak | hm, yeah I guess I misread that article..."will be introduced in the 8xxx series drivers" |
| 18:29.48 | JeffM2501 | whoohoo I had pertenant info! |
| 18:37.09 | menotume | JeffM2501: there is a bug (reported by SC) in multi-hunt |
| 18:37.23 | menotume | i think i know what it is - hope to have a fix within an hour or so |
| 18:37.53 | menotume | Pimpinella: i see you ! |
| 18:37.57 | JeffM2501 | menotume, ok |
| 18:38.05 | JeffM2501 | there is also a jitter problem she has |
| 18:38.13 | menotume | yes |
| 18:38.15 | Tupone | menotume: there is a bug on countdown, reported by menotume . no fix |
| 18:38.16 | JeffM2501 | makes me wonder if anyone else has it |
| 18:38.30 | menotume | when i finish multi-hunt, i'll try rc5 on my windoze lapyy |
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| 18:38.46 | menotume | i had a simlar problem on XP when 2.0 first came out |
| 18:39.34 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:39.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm unable to dupe it |
| 18:39.47 | JeffM2501 | I think trepan has a couple more changes too |
| 18:39.51 | JeffM2501 | so there is time |
| 18:40.06 | JeffM2501 | if he decides to do em |
| 18:40.41 | menotume | k |
| 18:41.00 | menotume | i'm carrying too many states, which aren't reset when joining another server |
| 18:41.07 | menotume | i'm opting to get rid of the states :) |
| 18:41.16 | Silent_Swan | ok, anyone have any opinions on Geforce 6600GT cards? |
| 18:41.19 | Silent_Swan | good/bad? |
| 18:41.29 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have now? |
| 18:41.32 | JeffM2501 | I have a 6600 |
| 18:41.35 | JeffM2501 | 2 of em :) |
| 18:41.38 | Silent_Swan | ati radeon 9800 |
| 18:41.40 | Silent_Swan | you like? |
| 18:41.53 | JeffM2501 | regular 9800 or pro?> |
| 18:41.58 | Silent_Swan | pro |
| 18:41.59 | menotume | switch from ati to nvidia, good call :) |
| 18:42.02 | Silent_Swan | yes |
| 18:42.08 | Silent_Swan | but i'ts for a new system i'm building |
| 18:42.09 | JeffM2501 | the 6600 will be a little slower then that ATI |
| 18:42.15 | Silent_Swan | oh? hmm |
| 18:42.23 | Silent_Swan | how about the 6800? |
| 18:42.23 | JeffM2501 | the 6600 is the "value" card |
| 18:42.29 | JeffM2501 | that will be a bit faster |
| 18:42.32 | Silent_Swan | ok |
| 18:42.35 | Silent_Swan | worth the price? |
| 18:42.38 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:42.45 | JeffM2501 | I should have goten 6800's instead of 6600 |
| 18:42.52 | Silent_Swan | excellent. thanks |
| 18:42.54 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing "wrong" with them |
| 18:42.57 | Silent_Swan | just going over my options |
| 18:43.00 | JeffM2501 | they just arn't as fast as others |
| 18:43.01 | Silent_Swan | any particular brand? |
| 18:43.09 | JeffM2501 | I got gigabyte ones |
| 18:43.12 | JeffM2501 | since they were on sale |
| 18:43.13 | Silent_Swan | ok |
| 18:43.31 | Silent_Swan | vielen dank |
| 18:43.37 | JeffM2501 | what CPU you going with? |
| 18:44.10 | Silent_Swan | athlon |
| 18:44.23 | Silent_Swan | 3200+ or 3000+ |
| 18:44.32 | JeffM2501 | 64? |
| 18:44.38 | JeffM2501 | or just and XP? |
| 18:45.17 | Silent_Swan | 64 |
| 18:45.47 | JeffM2501 | socket 939? |
| 18:45.53 | Silent_Swan | yes |
| 18:46.56 | JeffM2501 | the 3600+ or 3700+ should be the bang for buck option |
| 18:47.15 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 18:47.32 | JeffM2501 | how much was the 3000 gonna run you? |
| 18:48.23 | Silent_Swan | $150, and the 3200 $190 |
| 18:48.27 | JeffM2501 | ehh it will probably be like $50 more for a 3600, so it may be some savings |
| 18:48.46 | Silent_Swan | hmm if it's a noticeable difference, i'd pay the extra $50 or so |
| 18:49.20 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: do you see a wy to determine if a player is on a home base using bzfsAPI? |
| 18:49.28 | JeffM2501 | home? |
| 18:49.32 | Pimpinella | own |
| 18:49.40 | Pimpinella | own color |
| 18:49.42 | JeffM2501 | base |
| 18:49.43 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:49.53 | Silent_Swan | i don't see any 3600's listed, and anything up from there costs a LOT more |
| 18:50.00 | JeffM2501 | where are you geting it from? |
| 18:50.18 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 looking at Fry's and Microcenter |
| 18:50.26 | JeffM2501 | fry's can have some good deals |
| 18:50.34 | JeffM2501 | your near a frys? |
| 18:50.44 | Silent_Swan | yes |
| 18:50.49 | Silent_Swan | right down the road :) |
| 18:51.02 | Silent_Swan | they have 200GB maxtor disks for $70 |
| 18:52.07 | Pimpinella | would you prefer a new data type and a function for getting the BasesList or a member function for bz_PlayerRecord to make this possible? |
| 18:52.35 | JeffM2501 | for frys' allways best to wait for there adds |
| 18:53.04 | Silent_Swan | true |
| 18:53.22 | Silent_Swan | i'm trying to spend LESS than 1200 on the whole thing, minus the display |
| 18:53.35 | JeffM2501 | ohh you can totaly do that |
| 18:53.41 | JeffM2501 | mine was 900$ |
| 18:53.59 | JeffM2501 | and I got a dual core |
| 18:54.03 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 18:54.15 | Silent_Swan | brb |
| 18:54.28 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: read it? |
| 18:54.46 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, it shoudl be an event |
| 18:54.50 | JeffM2501 | player on base |
| 18:55.06 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 18:55.10 | JeffM2501 | that returns the base, the player, and any other info |
| 18:55.18 | JeffM2501 | I don't know if the server even tracks players hitting bases |
| 18:55.23 | Pimpinella | it isn't checked for that in bzfs i think |
| 18:55.32 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it is ether |
| 18:55.40 | JeffM2501 | so you want to figure it out yourself? |
| 18:55.43 | JeffM2501 | so you need a list of bases? |
| 18:55.52 | JeffM2501 | is that what you are asking? |
| 18:56.35 | Pimpinella | not for wat i'm planning, i just need to know if the player is on a base of his own color |
| 18:56.47 | JeffM2501 | I don't think we know that |
| 18:56.49 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 18:57.00 | JeffM2501 | so your options are to track it in the plugin |
| 18:57.22 | JeffM2501 | so you'd need a way to get info about the world, where each base object is |
| 18:57.23 | Pimpinella | it is checked on MsgCaptureFlag e.g. |
| 18:57.36 | JeffM2501 | that's triggered from an event tho right? |
| 18:57.54 | JeffM2501 | is there a "check if dude is on base" function? |
| 18:58.07 | Pimpinella | well, i want a grace period for players after a capture |
| 18:58.16 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 18:58.18 | Pimpinella | to prevent spawn killing |
| 18:58.23 | JeffM2501 | a lot of the caputre logic is client side |
| 18:58.55 | JeffM2501 | let me get latest and start lookin |
| 19:00.29 | Pimpinella | it's pretty easy to implement bz_PlayerRecord::onHomeBase() |
| 19:00.42 | Pimpinella | e.g. |
| 19:00.50 | JeffM2501 | naw that's not genric engouh |
| 19:00.59 | JeffM2501 | I'd rahter expose the whoseBase fucntion |
| 19:01.08 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 19:01.09 | JeffM2501 | pass in a pos |
| 19:01.10 | Pimpinella | exactly |
| 19:01.12 | JeffM2501 | then get back a base |
| 19:01.16 | JeffM2501 | or a no team if it's not a base |
| 19:01.22 | JeffM2501 | that woudl be the most usefull |
| 19:01.34 | JeffM2501 | since you may want to check the pos of anything |
| 19:02.13 | JeffM2501 | should be simple to expose |
| 19:02.20 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 19:02.26 | JeffM2501 | and you have the last pos of the tank |
| 19:02.32 | JeffM2501 | you gonna do it? or want me to? |
| 19:02.53 | JeffM2501 | and changing the player record means bumping api version |
| 19:03.01 | Pimpinella | sounds like a good thing inbetween |
| 19:03.07 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to keep the player record simple |
| 19:03.10 | JeffM2501 | and just have data |
| 19:03.28 | Pimpinella | do if you think, i'll do otherwise when i find the time for it |
| 19:03.29 | JeffM2501 | and maybe some utilitys |
| 19:03.40 | JeffM2501 | ohh I can do it right now for you then |
| 19:03.54 | Pimpinella | that'd be great indeed :) |
| 19:04.44 | Pimpinella | have to go back to work, i'll bbl |
| 19:06.01 | JeffM2501 | bz_checkBaseAtPoint |
| 19:06.03 | JeffM2501 | that sound ok? |
| 19:12.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): expose fucntion to see what base is at a 3d point in the world |
| 19:18.28 | Grumbler | hey, can a plugin "move" a player......say fly him back to his own base |
| 19:19.31 | Grumbler | so instead of a SW blast against camping, you take all tanks with X distance and fly them to some other points on the map, away from the base |
| 19:20.00 | blast007 | nope |
| 19:20.14 | blast007 | the server doesn't control the movement of the client |
| 19:20.16 | Grumbler | too bad, its a nice idea |
| 19:25.30 | Tupone | so, do not commit to CVS means nothing :( |
| 19:28.13 | TimRiker | he might have discussed it here. |
| 19:28.49 | Tupone | yeah I saw. We said feature freeze, but I think we did not agree on meaning |
| 19:33.03 | Tupone | I'm not fixing /countdown as I think I can introduce new bug |
| 19:47.15 | brlcad | TimRiker: aversions to making news file be changelog contents and changelog file be the actual changelog after this release? |
| 19:51.43 | Tupone | eek :) I'm lost |
| 19:51.59 | Tupone | ~spell aversion |
| 19:52.18 | brlcad | Tupone: bz's ChangeLog is not a real change log .. they have a special format and can be auto-generated |
| 19:52.28 | Tupone | cvs2pl ? |
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| 19:52.42 | brlcad | that will do it, or a fundamental/better rcs tool will |
| 19:53.08 | brlcad | the stuff we have in changelog is normally the contents of the NEWS file |
| 19:53.40 | Tupone | and Changelog being automatically generated during make dist ? |
| 19:54.38 | brlcad | it could be, or just one of the release process steps like when updating the version numbers |
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| 19:55.10 | Tupone | yeah |
| 19:55.11 | brlcad | rcs2log -h users.sourceforge.net -r "-d>YYYY-MM-DD" > ChangeLog |
| 19:55.36 | menotume | eeesh, up-date-check failed on all my changes |
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| 19:55.51 | CBG | Who would get the logs for loumans lazermania server on bzflag.bz? |
| 19:56.25 | menotume | TimRiker: was that a script for ws ? |
| 19:56.32 | CBG | learner, trepan? |
| 19:56.45 | menotume | curious as to what it does, and how i should conform |
| 20:03.01 | Pimpinella | Tupone: whats wrong with /countdown? |
| 20:03.19 | Tupone | menotume ... talk! |
| 20:03.39 | uso | brlcad: there's a chance somebody understands the bzflag changelog, but nobody will understand a changelog generated from the cvs comments, probably not even all devs :) |
| 20:04.03 | Tupone | uso he wants to put useful info into NEWS |
| 20:04.08 | menotume | gazorbafrazzle |
| 20:04.24 | menotume | countdown issue: |
| 20:04.33 | brad2901 | why'd you stop using bzadmin curses with 2.0.4rc5? |
| 20:04.37 | menotume | when 28 minutes into a match, i did a /countdown pause |
| 20:04.38 | uso | ah, sorry, i should read all, not only the last lines ;) |
| 20:05.02 | menotume | it said "Countdown paused by menotume", and clients stopped the timer |
| 20:05.09 | menotume | 2 minutes later, the game ended :p |
| 20:05.18 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 20:05.36 | Pimpinella | jeah, i think i know the reason for that |
| 20:05.58 | Pimpinella | or maybe i guess i know |
| 20:07.00 | menotume | are you psossibly not quite but almost sure ? |
| 20:07.14 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 20:07.43 | menotume | soo many changes today, i need to rebuild all |
| 20:07.58 | menotume | going out for 20 minutes, hopefully a commit when i come back :) |
| 20:08.19 | Tupone | menotume: only if that is a bug fix please |
| 20:09.51 | menotume | yes, multi-hunt |
| 20:10.23 | Tupone | I know :) j/k |
| 20:10.42 | menotume | actually, i re-wrote playing.cxx to improve readability, is that ok ? |
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| 20:11.16 | menotume | moved a bunch of stuff to functions |
| 20:11.26 | menotume | no big deal, it SHOULD work |
| 20:11.36 | Tupone | it pass the ws rules ? |
| 20:12.01 | menotume | guess so :) |
| 20:12.21 | menotume | ws as in tabs vs spaces ? |
| 20:12.28 | Tupone | then is ok |
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| 20:12.34 | menotume | okies :) |
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| 20:12.51 | TD-Linux | hmm... my bzfs man still isn't being updated... |
| 20:13.31 | menotume | it may be putting it in usr/local i/o /usr ?? |
| 20:13.51 | Tupone | export MANPATH ? |
| 20:17.53 | JeffM2501 | what about WOMANPATH? |
| 20:17.58 | JeffM2501 | that's the one I'd rather look at |
| 20:20.38 | TD-Linux | oops... sorry, not paying attention... bzflag... I go look for the man file (or woman file) now |
| 20:21.34 | TD-Linux | I found a bzfs.6 file |
| 20:21.53 | Tupone | the easiest way is to do man ./bzfs.6 |
| 20:22.16 | TD-Linux | it works |
| 20:22.23 | TD-Linux | can I make it so that man searches that directory? |
| 20:22.29 | TD-Linux | so that I don't always have to go to it? |
| 20:22.49 | Tupone | that is the MANPATH |
| 20:23.21 | Tupone | you have to do: export MANPATH=$MANPATH:<path to bzflag/man directory> |
| 20:23.22 | TD-Linux | ok... can I append to it? |
| 20:23.28 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 20:23.46 | Tupone | and then man bzfs will work |
| 20:24.05 | TD-Linux | which would be /usr/local/man/man6? |
| 20:24.20 | TD-Linux | or the man directory of bzflag cvs? |
| 20:24.56 | TD-Linux | ok, it's the latter, ty |
| 20:25.36 | Tupone | /usr/local/man |
| 20:25.48 | Tupone | or man directory of bzflag |
| 20:25.55 | Tupone | or both |
| 20:26.04 | Tupone | order is important |
| 20:26.34 | TD-Linux | hmm... the path to bzflag isn't working, I'll try the /usr/local/man one |
| 20:26.42 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.55 | Tupone | why /man6 ? |
| 20:27.21 | Tupone | bzflag/man |
| 20:27.38 | TD-Linux | ok... |
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| 20:27.45 | TD-Linux | it isn't working, I still get the old man |
| 20:27.58 | TD-Linux | how do I change the order? |
| 20:28.09 | Tupone | export MANPATH=<path to bzflag/man directory>:$MANPATH then |
| 20:28.58 | TD-Linux | still dosen't work... oh well |
| 20:29.08 | TD-Linux | I'm content with the way it is ;) |
| 20:29.28 | Tupone | what is the exact MANPATH comamnd you gave ? |
| 20:29.45 | TD-Linux | export MANPATH=/root/bzflag/bzflag/man:$MANPATH |
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| 20:30.43 | TD-Linux | I suppose having it in the root home directory isn't good ? |
| 20:31.04 | Tupone | hehe :) no good but MANPATH shoud work |
| 20:31.53 | TD-Linux | it dosen't. On another topic: Where would be a better place to put bzflag cvs on the linux file system? |
| 20:32.07 | TD-Linux | should I make a directory on the root? |
| 20:32.09 | Tupone | I would not work as root at all |
| 20:32.30 | Tupone | I would use a normal user |
| 20:32.42 | TD-Linux | ok... how about a /sandbox directory on the root? |
| 20:32.46 | TD-Linux | with /bzflag in it |
| 20:32.57 | Tupone | why not a user ? |
| 20:33.14 | TD-Linux | huh? |
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| 20:34.02 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* why do the munchkins allways steal my sigs? |
| 20:34.02 | Tupone | :) create a user and work with that. Use root only for administrative task |
| 20:35.05 | TD-Linux | ok... I have a different user... but if I put bzflag in a user's home dir, other users can't access it |
| 20:35.14 | TD-Linux | where is the best spot to put bzflag so that all users can access it? |
| 20:35.28 | trepan | JeffM2501: sincerest form of flattery? |
| 20:35.32 | TD-Linux | I could make a bzflag user with a public home directory, I guess |
| 20:35.34 | JeffM2501 | I guess |
| 20:35.40 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't even make sense that he used it |
| 20:35.56 | TD-Linux | who? |
| 20:36.02 | JeffM2501 | Ice-Weave |
| 20:36.17 | menotume | TD-Linux: /usr/local/bin |
| 20:36.17 | JeffM2501 | or how ecer he does it |
| 20:36.50 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: did you give up on bzadmin-curses for windows? |
| 20:36.52 | Tupone | TD-Linux when you make install bzflag will be visible to all |
| 20:37.01 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, no |
| 20:37.14 | JeffM2501 | the default binarys are built with it now |
| 20:37.16 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 20:37.20 | TD-Linux | how did ice wewe get his name to match up so well over the top of JeffM2501? |
| 20:37.34 | brad2901 | 2.0.4rc4/5 didn't have curses :( |
| 20:37.38 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 20:37.40 | JeffM2501 | they shoula |
| 20:37.47 | trepan | learner: know anything about -prefer-non-pic? |
| 20:37.55 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, hacked it up in gimp I think |
| 20:38.50 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, so the installer does not include curses.dll ? |
| 20:38.52 | TD-Linux | amazing... I did a complete security analysis of my network... my only weakness is the Windows computers ;) |
| 20:39.11 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: hang on, just checking |
| 20:39.21 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: it does |
| 20:39.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh #def is missing |
| 20:39.56 | JeffM2501 | I will fix |
| 20:40.48 | JeffM2501 | dude ssh isn't that hard |
| 20:41.10 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, the build is made with currses, it just didn't know it could use it |
| 20:41.14 | TD-Linux | ssh is easy... configuring it for security isn't |
| 20:41.20 | brad2901 | I see |
| 20:41.24 | JeffM2501 | if you say so munchie |
| 20:41.32 | brlcad | trepan: some, yeah |
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| 20:41.50 | Tupone | alex :) |
| 20:41.55 | ibunny | hi ppl |
| 20:42.03 | ibunny | tupito :) |
| 20:42.13 | brlcad | trepan: it's to not use -fPIC on platforms where supposedly it can get away with it when making shared libraries |
| 20:42.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't let a /countdown game end if it's paused |
| 20:42.14 | TD-Linux | My dad's scared that if I start a server spyware on a windows computer could log into my linux one via ssh and hijack my web server |
| 20:42.26 | brlcad | trepan: for bz, it shouldn't matter -- we build all static |
| 20:42.30 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, what? |
| 20:42.40 | JeffM2501 | your dad knows little about computers then |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM2501 | do you have spyware on your windows machine? |
| 20:43.19 | trepan | brlcad: i've got double-up .o's |
| 20:43.24 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: I wouldn't say that, I would say that he is trying every way to convince me that running a web server is a security risk |
| 20:43.37 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, it is |
| 20:43.37 | trepan | non-pic in dir/, pic in /dir.libs |
| 20:43.40 | JeffM2501 | on any OS |
| 20:43.59 | JeffM2501 | but spyware isn't something that will be the risk |
| 20:44.22 | bryjen | and the risk posed by the web server has nothing to do with ssh |
| 20:44.26 | ibunny | hi jeffie |
| 20:44.29 | ibunny | hi sean |
| 20:44.31 | brlcad | trepan: right, but we only use the non-pic when linking |
| 20:44.40 | awelux__ | yep. if webserver then beckups |
| 20:44.54 | TD-Linux | ok... I have apache running as a service in its own user, is that enough? |
| 20:44.55 | trepan | brlcad: taking longer to build, takes more space |
| 20:44.57 | brlcad | 'someone' removed the -static ldflag ;) |
| 20:45.17 | brlcad | if you add -static, it only builds the non-pic |
| 20:45.39 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, you run apache on windows? |
| 20:45.41 | brlcad | i wouldn't use the prefer-no-pic thing as it's known to be a bit buggy |
| 20:45.49 | brlcad | hi ibunny |
| 20:45.54 | trepan | the -static is only for the linking, no? |
| 20:45.59 | brlcad | no |
| 20:45.59 | JeffM2501 | hell ibunny |
| 20:46.02 | JeffM2501 | hello even :( |
| 20:46.07 | JeffM2501 | man I can't type today |
| 20:46.11 | brlcad | -static is also for libraries .. means only make a static lib.. |
| 20:46.22 | trepan | ex: Makefile.am in obstacles/ has -static, still get doubled *.o |
| 20:46.38 | bryjen | helibunny? like one that flies with rotor blades? |
| 20:46.59 | JeffM2501 | cartoon rabbits do it |
| 20:47.05 | brlcad | trepan: hmm.. that sounds like a libtool+automake mismatch perhaps |
| 20:47.29 | ibunny | hell ibunny ?!? |
| 20:47.31 | ibunny | :( |
| 20:47.37 | SportyGal | hellO ibunny |
| 20:47.44 | ibunny | hey SportyGal !! |
| 20:48.12 | brlcad | trepan: .. could add --disable-shared to configure |
| 20:48.16 | brlcad | or even force it in configure.ac |
| 20:48.42 | trepan | brlcad: if it's a mismatch, you've got it on your server too ;) |
| 20:49.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzadmin.vcproj: need the have curses #def to use curses |
| 20:50.22 | brlcad | trepan: bsd's are notoriously easy to mismatch since ports makes you make all the symlinks yourself.. i just found a couple missing symlinks just the other day (again) :) |
| 20:50.45 | TD-Linux | is there a standard file extension for binary map caches? |
| 20:50.57 | brlcad | bzc |
| 20:51.07 | brlcad | or was it .. bwc |
| 20:51.12 | brlcad | something |
| 20:51.15 | ibunny | hah |
| 20:51.23 | CBG_ | Anyone know who would get the logs for loumans lazermania server on bzflag.bz? |
| 20:51.38 | JeffM2501 | your mom |
| 20:51.41 | trepan | CBG_: why? |
| 20:51.43 | TD-Linux | louman would |
| 20:52.08 | CBG_ | trepan: someone made a complaint about me I would like to set straight. |
| 20:52.23 | TD-Linux | try /report |
| 20:52.35 | CBG_ | I would like to speak to the person... |
| 20:52.43 | CBG_ | would it be you, trepan? |
| 20:53.00 | trepan | who might i be? |
| 20:53.14 | CBG_ | The report reciever... :) |
| 20:53.20 | CBG_ | *receiver |
| 20:53.38 | Birdie | complaining about cbg..now thats odd |
| 20:53.38 | TD-Linux | on louman.bzflag.bz... I think only Louman has the logs, it's his server |
| 20:53.46 | trepan | any admin there can use /viewreports |
| 20:53.52 | CBG_ | Birdie: heh... |
| 20:54.04 | trepan | TD-Linux: you know nothing, hush |
| 20:54.18 | CBG_ | trepan: ah. Ok. Then maybe I should try "Who should I speak to about settling a complaint about myself?" |
| 20:54.35 | CBG_ | TD-Linux, Learner owns bzflag.bz... so... :) |
| 20:54.37 | brlcad | maybe try talking to the person that's complaining |
| 20:54.50 | CBG_ | brlcad: you think I didn't. :/ |
| 20:54.58 | Birdie | who complained about you? |
| 20:55.07 | brlcad | learner aint gonna help you with a server complain issue like that |
| 20:55.22 | CBG_ | Who would? this is why I ask... :( |
| 20:55.37 | CBG_ | He seemed to think that because I had to punish him for breaking the rules that I was being unfair against him... |
| 20:55.49 | brlcad | so you explained your case to him |
| 20:55.52 | brlcad | he disagreed |
| 20:55.52 | CBG_ | Just because he did not see me punish anyone else, because nobody else broke any rules... :) |
| 20:55.55 | CBG_ | indeed. |
| 20:55.57 | brlcad | are you an admin on louman's server? |
| 20:56.00 | CBG_ | and sent a nasty /report. |
| 20:56.12 | CBG_ | brlcad: I think more like a cop, but I am unsure. |
| 20:56.23 | CBG_ | I don't even know why. just one day I get an @ there... |
| 20:56.42 | CBG_ | so since then I try to look out for people who cap when teams are unfair, and such when I am there. |
| 20:56.43 | brlcad | well, you were given the @ by someone .. so you have that ability |
| 20:56.45 | TD-Linux | he decided to make silvercat cops cops there also |
| 20:56.45 | trepan | that server now uses silvercat admin list |
| 20:56.57 | CBG_ | trepan: ah. that muct be why. Then I am a COP there. |
| 20:57.04 | TD-Linux | do a /showgroup and you will see SILVERCAT>COPS |
| 20:57.05 | CBG_ | must* |
| 20:57.14 | CBG_ | TD-Linux: ahha. :) |
| 20:57.16 | brlcad | so if you were unfair, stop it and apologize :) |
| 20:57.24 | brlcad | if you weren't, then you made your case, problem is over |
| 20:57.45 | brlcad | no sense making it into a bigger issue than it needs to be |
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| 20:57.59 | CBG_ | brlcad: I am afraid that someone will see the report and not ask me for my story then remove me as cop, or whatever... |
| 20:58.15 | RPG_ | oooh, CBG_ is in hot water |
| 20:58.16 | brlcad | CBG_: so file your own report if you're really afraid of that |
| 20:58.27 | CBG_ | RPG_: heh... |
| 20:58.40 | brlcad | you should file a report whenever you take admin action on a server that's not your regardless |
| 20:58.40 | CBG_ | brlcad: okay. thanks. |
| 20:58.50 | CBG_ | It was COP action. ;) |
| 20:58.51 | JeffM2501 | CBG_, if it's a problem the server op will talk to you, if the server op does stuff with out talking to you, then it's probaby not a place you want to be anyway |
| 20:58.54 | TD-Linux | hey... I'm a cop on louman's server and I can't /viewreports, yet they are broadcasted on the admin channel... hmmm |
| 20:59.02 | CBG_ | Just a /kill and kick. so why he makes a fuss I dont know anyway. |
| 20:59.05 | brlcad | CBG_: it's the same 'action' .. it should be reported |
| 20:59.14 | CBG_ | JeffM2501: ah, true. :) |
| 20:59.25 | trepan | CBG_: just /viewreports'd, i've got no complaints |
| 20:59.38 | CBG_ | Okies. thanks all. |
| 20:59.39 | Birdie | cbg: if they uses silvercats lists, the owners of silvercat should remove you, and we dont remove people before knowing the both side of the story"s, so dont be afraid |
| 20:59.51 | brlcad | if the machine op has to get involved in server op and admin issues, he's gonna be pissed :) |
| 21:00.08 | trepan | Birdie: or I could setup an ANTIADMIN group with a bunch of '!'s ;) |
| 21:00.58 | *** part/#bzflag ibunny (i=fnord@pdpc/supporter/active/jolie) |
| 21:01.02 | CBG_ | In fact, I have a gripe with all of you... |
| 21:01.22 | CBG_ | I'm getting behind a little at college 'cause the game is too darned addicting :P |
| 21:01.35 | brlcad | that can be taken care of pretty quick :) |
| 21:01.37 | CBG_ | Make it less good so I don't waste away my time! |
| 21:01.42 | trepan | brlcad: with my permaban predilection, shouldn't happen ;) |
| 21:01.54 | CBG_ | :) heh |
| 21:01.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ScoreboardRenderer.cxx ScoreboardRenderer.h playing.cxx): Fix multi-hunt when joining another server. |
| 21:02.02 | menotume | I will spend the next 30mins testing ^THAT^ |
| 21:02.12 | trepan | smells like rc6 |
| 21:02.19 | menotume | :) |
| 21:02.21 | RPG_ | grr... right as BZFlag finished compililng |
| 21:02.31 | CBG_ | lol RPG_ |
| 21:02.32 | menotume | smells like something |
| 21:02.38 | TD-Linux | we'll sneak into your house one night and relplace your shiny radeon with my S3 Savage4 |
| 21:02.42 | Birdie | smells like teamspirit! |
| 21:02.45 | Birdie | yay for nirvana |
| 21:02.57 | menotume | i haven't tested it on rabbit mode yet |
| 21:03.06 | TD-Linux | I just finished compiling bzflag too! |
| 21:03.29 | trepan | that little change affects very little in terms of recompilation, whiners |
| 21:04.32 | menotume | is the 'F' in the server list supposed to mean freestyle ? if so, it doesn't work :) |
| 21:04.53 | CBG_ | Right. Maths homework won't do itself... Cya all tomorrow... :) Thanks for help.. :) |
| 21:05.13 | trepan | menotume: F - superFlags |
| 21:05.13 | TD-Linux | the F means super flags, I think |
| 21:05.25 | menotume | ahhh, thx :) |
| 21:05.29 | TD-Linux | the coor of the * indicates game mode |
| 21:06.01 | TD-Linux | 05 * = ctf |
| 21:06.08 | menotume | yes, that's cool |
| 21:06.19 | TD-Linux | 08 * = ffa |
| 21:06.22 | menotume | White for Wabbit, too :) |
| 21:06.41 | trepan | supposed to be yellow for rogue (ffa) |
| 21:07.19 | brlcad | Pimpinella: what's the reason to prevent a paused game from ending.. it'll just end right when they unpause.. |
| 21:07.30 | menotume | errr, huh ? |
| 21:07.36 | menotume | pause pauses the timer :) |
| 21:07.51 | brlcad | Pimpinella: I'd imagine you'd want a second counter to start up when paused, and offset timeLeft |
| 21:08.24 | brlcad | not exactly.. doesn't it just stop it from ticking and pick up what lapsed |
| 21:08.40 | menotume | brlcad: if there was 2 mins left when the timer was paused, the game should end 2 mins after resuming |
| 21:10.00 | menotume | at least, that's what i *thought* it should do, otherwise it seems pointless :) |
| 21:10.05 | Grumbler | so brlcads version is a relativity pause...where time stops for the tanks playing but not for the game, whereas menotume wants a non-relativity approach where time pauses for all |
| 21:10.31 | menotume | i am relatively confused now |
| 21:11.05 | menotume | me will stay out of this one and go test MH |
| 21:11.32 | menotume | no i wont' :) |
| 21:12.04 | menotume | what good does it do to pause the timer, just to have it go back as if it was never paused on resume ? |
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| 21:13.41 | Tupone | menotume: that is a bug :) |
| 21:14.42 | Tupone | I have not fixed now as there are lot of thing to understand before fixing. As release is imminent, I preferred to wait |
| 21:16.31 | menotume | yes, makes sense |
| 21:16.34 | menotume | it' not a big deal |
| 21:17.02 | menotume | MH may not work proerly in wabbit mode - looking |
| 21:18.09 | menotume | any1 care to help test on bzflag3.tuxee.net ? |
| 21:18.18 | menotume | who wants to be a rabbit ? :) |
| 21:19.47 | Tupone | Grumbler: observer ? |
| 21:23.24 | Grumbler | as a player, rc5, loumans server |
| 21:23.58 | Grumbler | several 200ms lags where above a couple 100ms lags......jitters were all nominal |
| 21:24.30 | meacan | menotume: still need testers? |
| 21:24.37 | Grumbler | i have to run here, i will check more throughly later |
| 21:26.01 | Tupone | mmu_man: bzflag on beOS still run correctly or you need to commit some changes for that ? |
| 21:26.17 | mmu_man | Tupone long since I tried it, quite busy atm |
| 21:26.23 | brlcad | menotume: it would be.. my question was whether it does (and a presumption that it doesn't from a real quick glance at that code snippet in the commit) |
| 21:26.26 | Tupone | :/ |
| 21:26.27 | mmu_man | IIRC last time I checked it wanted some lib |
| 21:26.44 | mmu_man | you plan a release someday soon ? |
| 21:26.45 | brlcad | Grumbler: nah, not player pause.. match pause ;) |
| 21:26.50 | Tupone | curl and c-ares I guess |
| 21:27.05 | mmu_man | yeah curl... |
| 21:27.19 | Tupone | we are planning end of week, or middle of week, who know |
| 21:28.03 | mmu_man | would be nice to test it again... we had some nice new stuff on the GL front since last time |
| 21:28.06 | mmu_man | :) |
| 21:28.49 | Tupone | good to know |
| 21:28.57 | brlcad | hrmph.. we could be at 2.0.16 by now with lots more feedback |
| 21:30.00 | Tupone | brlcad: lets ship it |
| 21:30.12 | brlcad | and from the looks of the changelog... it should have been shipped several times over |
| 21:30.21 | mmu_man | "Looks good and compiles ok, ship it!" Linus B. Torvalds |
| 21:30.32 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:30.41 | brlcad | cause if it doesn't work as expected, you just ship it again |
| 21:30.52 | brlcad | and again and again |
| 21:31.02 | brlcad | since that's what you're doing anyways |
| 21:31.24 | brlcad | plus it keeps the news channels stoked with your project's name and keeps activity high ;) |
| 21:31.51 | mmu_man | <Michael Jackson>Just ship it, you can do it again, just Ship it, ship it... ship it, ship it...</Michael Jackson> |
| 21:32.28 | mmu_man | would make a nice Weird Al Yankovic song actually :) |
| 21:32.51 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:33.29 | brlcad | yay, going to arizona |
| 21:33.51 | menotume | trepan: did it all seem ok ? |
| 21:34.00 | mmu_man | bbl |
| 21:34.12 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:34.17 | Tupone | brlcad: you are going where ? |
| 21:34.38 | trepan | menotume: yup, although i wasn't rabbit long enough to try it then ;) |
| 21:34.58 | menotume | ok, i'm still not convinced. I'm going to look at the rabbit logic, and test more |
| 21:35.05 | menotume | thx for testing ! |
| 21:35.29 | brlcad | Tupone: Arizona |
| 21:35.38 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:35.40 | Tupone | how long? |
| 21:35.46 | brlcad | just a few days |
| 21:35.55 | Tupone | ahh, I though for years |
| 21:36.07 | brlcad | nah |
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| 22:00.35 | brlcad | funkalicious |
| 22:00.45 | RPG_ | uh huh |
| 22:02.12 | Silent_Swan | mmm |
| 22:02.32 | JeffM2501 | where in AZ? |
| 22:02.33 | Pimpinella | brlcad: yeah, you're right |
| 22:02.46 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, congrats |
| 22:02.51 | RPG_ | Silent_Swan: if you get the job, will your server go back up :P |
| 22:03.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: cosmetic only. SHIP IT! |
| 22:03.02 | Pimpinella | i'll check for my (already existing) offset counter instaed |
| 22:03.23 | Silent_Swan | maybe :) |
| 22:03.25 | JeffM2501 | way to show the greed RPG_ |
| 22:03.30 | menotume | trepan, *SEL* moved one char to right :) |
| 22:03.32 | Silent_Swan | but... this job is quite a distance away |
| 22:03.40 | RPG_ | what comany? |
| 22:03.47 | Silent_Swan | don't want to say just yet |
| 22:04.04 | JeffM2501 | trepan, you have more to commit? |
| 22:04.10 | Silent_Swan | it's a major internet company that has attractted quite a lot of attention |
| 22:04.13 | Pimpinella | that should work, since it's reset after the check for ending the game |
| 22:04.16 | brlcad | Tupone: is that what you meant you were holding out on? it would seem simple enough to me to add another timer... ;) |
| 22:04.19 | Silent_Swan | google was interested in them |
| 22:04.21 | RPG_ | if you said "TPS" or "J.R. Brophy and Associates" i'd have to scream. |
| 22:04.45 | RPG_ | family businesses, both based in downsers grove |
| 22:04.51 | RPG_ | on Curtiss drive |
| 22:04.54 | Tupone | yeah, I never used that command, so I have to study the man before .. or interview who has used |
| 22:06.05 | Tupone | to know what that mean ... I saw, for instance, that countdown start will start the initial counting before the start of game (perhaps) and you cannot pause in that time |
| 22:06.37 | Tupone | as there is a test just at beginning that will return |
| 22:07.07 | Tupone | Too much things that I have to learn before dong a "good" solution |
| 22:07.42 | Silent_Swan | RPG_ no :) |
| 22:07.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 22:07.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: countdown fix, 2nd try |
| 22:07.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: ty brlcad,for keeping your eyes opened |
| 22:07.55 | Pimpinella | Tupone: countdown start? |
| 22:07.55 | Silent_Swan | but i'll remember to fill out the cover letters for my TPS reports |
| 22:08.05 | JeffM2501 | reports suck |
| 22:08.13 | RPG_ | TPS : Techinal Power Systems |
| 22:08.17 | Tupone | /countdown alone will start what ? |
| 22:08.38 | Silent_Swan | that went over the heads of the poor souls who havn't seen "Office Space" |
| 22:08.40 | Pimpinella | the countdown |
| 22:08.57 | Pimpinella | with 10 seconds delay |
| 22:08.58 | JeffM2501 | the guy with the red swingline... we employ him |
| 22:09.00 | JeffM2501 | it' scarry |
| 22:09.03 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 22:09.20 | Silent_Swan | "Yeah... I'm going to need you to move down to Storage B" |
| 22:09.22 | Pimpinella | /countdown 5 will use 5 seconds delay |
| 22:09.46 | Tupone | and it set the variable countdownDelay ? |
| 22:09.57 | Pimpinella | yeah |
| 22:10.22 | Tupone | Have you tried pausing before that time ? |
| 22:10.26 | menotume | ehh, where's my spatpler ? |
| 22:10.31 | menotume | stapler |
| 22:10.40 | Pimpinella | hmm, not sure if i did |
| 22:10.48 | Pimpinella | wrote it time ago |
| 22:10.52 | brlcad | Tupone: yeah, there is some trickery to get the 10 .. 9 .. 8 .. all working that you'd have to be careful to account for |
| 22:10.54 | menotume | pausing DURING the countdown doesn't seem to do anything |
| 22:11.03 | brlcad | like you'd not be able to pause prirorr to start |
| 22:11.15 | menotume | right, that would be ok |
| 22:11.22 | Pimpinella | ah, no you can't puse beore |
| 22:11.24 | brlcad | JeffM2501: you too?! I swear he works here |
| 22:11.25 | Pimpinella | before |
| 22:11.44 | brlcad | we actually have TPS reports, and they are called that |
| 22:11.45 | Tupone | there is an if (countdownDelay > 0) return |
| 22:11.52 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, this guy is dead silent, mumbles, and has a similar body shape |
| 22:12.02 | Pimpinella | countdownActive must be true or pause will fail iirc |
| 22:12.05 | menotume | does he get a paycheck ? |
| 22:12.09 | JeffM2501 | sadly |
| 22:12.11 | menotume | office in the basement ? |
| 22:12.14 | JeffM2501 | he's an ass |
| 22:12.17 | menotume | hehe |
| 22:12.17 | JeffM2501 | what's a basement? |
| 22:12.18 | Pimpinella | but it's set only after delay |
| 22:12.25 | Silent_Swan | brlcad... RUN AWAY!!! |
| 22:12.38 | brlcad | yeah.. that must have been an east-coast company :) |
| 22:12.38 | Tupone | what if someone do a "/countdown 180" and then want to pause ? |
| 22:12.40 | Pimpinella | i'll have a quick look |
| 22:12.44 | brlcad | we have basements ;) |
| 22:12.59 | JeffM2501 | what are those? |
| 22:13.06 | menotume | cellar :) |
| 22:13.09 | Pimpinella | Tupone: said it, countdownActive is still false, so pause will fail |
| 22:13.10 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:13.12 | brlcad | Tupone: I'd say it would reject until the countdown finishes.. since there's nothing to pause |
| 22:13.51 | brlcad | you could just pawn it off onto the dev that wrote that code.. :) |
| 22:13.51 | Tupone | brlcad: and what if you want to stop it ? |
| 22:13.57 | JeffM2501 | is that for that "rain" stuff? |
| 22:14.37 | Silent_Swan | i *hate* interviews |
| 22:14.44 | JeffM2501 | they can be stressfull |
| 22:15.00 | Silent_Swan | just give me the job. let my work be my interview :) |
| 22:15.05 | menotume | pause DRING the countdown says "there is a countdown already in progress" |
| 22:15.14 | brlcad | Silent_Swan: exactly :) |
| 22:15.27 | Tupone | brlcad: I was not able to answer my question. Putting another timer is not enough. I needed to get the real scenario. So I did ignore the bug :/ |
| 22:15.35 | Pimpinella | Tupone: stop what, the delay? |
| 22:15.47 | Tupone | stop the ocuntdown |
| 22:15.56 | Pimpinella | /endgame |
| 22:16.05 | brlcad | stopping the countdown is a separate issue too |
| 22:16.55 | brlcad | since endgame should work to kill the countdown, you could make pause pause the countdown too .. it'll just take a little more logic |
| 22:16.56 | Tupone | ok, I go to sleep. I know you were all right, and I 'm wrong :) |
| 22:17.07 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:17.08 | Tupone | cu |
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| 22:17.12 | brlcad | ciao |
| 22:17.43 | Pimpinella | brlcad: you mean pause the delay countdown? |
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| 22:18.26 | Pimpinella | i don't see no need for that |
| 22:19.00 | Pimpinella | i've barely seen that any player overrides the 10 seconds default |
| 22:19.24 | Pimpinella | who would want to pause those 10 seconds |
| 22:19.28 | menotume | i do - just to be a pain :) |
| 22:19.39 | Pimpinella | bad menotume |
| 22:20.23 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, did that base thing work out for you? |
| 22:20.48 | menotume | one time i did /countdown 5000, to see wht it would do. we waited 5 mins to start the matc :) |
| 22:20.52 | Pimpinella | had no time to try yet, i'll do tomorrow :/ |
| 22:20.56 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 22:21.04 | Pimpinella | ty for the fast work :) |
| 22:21.10 | JeffM2501 | np |
| 22:21.31 | trepan | JeffM2501: i'm good to go for rc6 |
| 22:21.34 | Pimpinella | 3 minutes |
| 22:21.41 | JeffM2501 | trepan, will you have anything after that? |
| 22:22.01 | Pimpinella | no, 2 minutes, limit is 120 seconds |
| 22:22.15 | JeffM2501 | and stencel shadows DO look nice |
| 22:22.28 | trepan | give me an hour, there was something easy/useful that i've forgotten that i was going to do |
| 22:22.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:22.43 | JeffM2501 | I am of the mind now to just forget RC6 |
| 22:22.52 | brlcad | Pimpinella: yes I did mean that, mainly just for consistency |
| 22:23.01 | trepan | JeffM2501: give me vertex progs, and i'll give ya volumetric ;) |
| 22:23.14 | brlcad | if you can 'end the game' before it's started.. you should probably be able to 'pause the game' before it's started too |
| 22:23.21 | JeffM2501 | trepan, there is a place you are welcome to put it into :) |
| 22:23.31 | menotume | you can't end it before it's started |
| 22:23.37 | menotume | i just tried it |
| 22:23.39 | Pimpinella | oh, no. you can't end the game before it's started |
| 22:23.55 | menotume | it says ended, but the countodwn continues |
| 22:24.02 | brlcad | i thought I recall adding a means to abort the countdown |
| 22:24.11 | JeffM2501 | trepan, you can even call it fytInitVertexProgram |
| 22:24.20 | trepan | hehe, saw that coming ;) |
| 22:24.29 | brlcad | if the countdown continues, then screw it.. pause should jsut get ignored |
| 22:24.49 | Pimpinella | thats how it is now |
| 22:25.05 | Pimpinella | // pause the countdown |
| 22:25.05 | Pimpinella | if (!countdownActive) { |
| 22:25.05 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.05 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: depending and desired os support, ogre, osg, g3d, etc... |
| 22:25.17 | trepan | first thing ya do |
| 22:25.18 | menotume | brlcad: i thought there was a way too, that's why i did /countdown 5000 once. Silly me. we had to wait the 3 mins or whatever it was :) |
| 22:25.27 | JeffM2501 | G3d is mehh |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM2501 | the huge changes allways jack me up |
| 22:25.47 | JeffM2501 | so little changes are best |
| 22:25.58 | Pimpinella | it's just ignored before the delay expired |
| 22:26.11 | JeffM2501 | probalby not |
| 22:26.18 | JeffM2501 | if I sat down and realy understood ogre |
| 22:26.30 | Pimpinella | and i won't add pausing the delay, it's messy enough even now |
| 22:26.42 | JeffM2501 | there was something that made me stop with G3d, and now I can't remember for the life of me what it was |
| 22:26.53 | Pimpinella | nite |
| 22:26.59 | menotume | g'nite |
| 22:27.19 | JeffM2501 | it has some nice containers, and seemed good at first, but wasn't very deep |
| 22:27.57 | JeffM2501 | geting it all to draw in ogre isn't the hard part I think, geting the GL out of the existing code.. that's the big job |
| 22:28.55 | trepan | osg would be even easier, as it could be done incrementally |
| 22:28.58 | trepan | but it's lacking too |
| 22:29.15 | JeffM2501 | that is another thign I need to sit down and look at |
| 22:29.24 | JeffM2501 | my inital plan is to clean up as I do little features |
| 22:29.37 | JeffM2501 | see what goes where, what can be seperated |
| 22:30.56 | JeffM2501 | a lot of it's allrady done in what I started with, we are a lot better now then we were say a year ago |
| 22:30.56 | JeffM2501 | mostly thanks to you |
| 22:30.56 | trepan | mmm, h/w skinning, soft shadows, all kinds of good stuff would come with the change |
| 22:30.56 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:30.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm personaly find with GF3 or better, on Win,Lin,OSX |
| 22:31.01 | JeffM2501 | as min req |
| 22:31.59 | JeffM2501 | so what a FX or better? |
| 22:32.05 | trepan | ja |
| 22:32.12 | JeffM2501 | that is a bit harsh |
| 22:32.16 | JeffM2501 | but some games do it |
| 22:32.19 | JeffM2501 | you have a FX? |
| 22:32.29 | trepan | nope |
| 22:32.44 | JeffM2501 | Prince of Persia needed a FX or better |
| 22:32.46 | trepan | but that's easily remedied |
| 22:32.47 | RPG_ | is BZFlag SLI compatible? |
| 22:32.57 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, it will run, tho you don't get much help from it |
| 22:33.07 | JeffM2501 | we don't have SLI profiles or anything |
| 22:33.31 | JeffM2501 | and we don't do the dual frame thing, it woudl just use alternate frame rendering |
| 22:33.45 | RPG_ | in the future, will it be able to use both the cards to make more FPS? |
| 22:33.58 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, only if we add sli specific code |
| 22:34.19 | JeffM2501 | SLI dosn't like instantly give more fps |
| 22:34.35 | RPG_ | i suspect it's smoother with more effects though |
| 22:34.35 | JeffM2501 | SLI wont' speed up the CPU bound limits of BZs rendering pipeline |
| 22:34.40 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, not really |
| 22:34.47 | JeffM2501 | SLI is not magic |
| 22:34.54 | JeffM2501 | in some cases it slows stuff down |
| 22:35.01 | JeffM2501 | since much of the data is doubled up |
| 22:35.02 | menotume | /countdown looks good :) |
| 22:35.13 | JeffM2501 | crossfire is a more robust system |
| 22:35.18 | RPG_ | i got a friend who's in the market for a SLI mobo with the dual cards, just wanted to know |
| 22:35.40 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, in SLI mode, on the most compelx map, I see maybe 5% increase in fps |
| 22:35.57 | JeffM2501 | now it does vary less |
| 22:35.58 | RPG_ | i better go read some more SLI wikipedia |
| 22:36.07 | JeffM2501 | so SLI helps it from geting flooded |
| 22:36.12 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what OS? |
| 22:36.20 | RPG_ | winXP |
| 22:36.28 | trepan | CPU really shouldn't be the bottleneck anymore |
| 22:36.36 | menotume | side note, i tried rc5 on my wondoze lappy to see if i got the same problem as SC, but I did not see the problem |
| 22:36.37 | JeffM2501 | note that when you run SLI, you have to pick what game profile you are in BEFORE you run the game |
| 22:36.43 | JeffM2501 | trepan, it's less |
| 22:37.12 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, if he just plays BZ, SLI is a waste right now |
| 22:37.28 | trepan | with drawInfo, you can easily drive the GPU to the max |
| 22:37.29 | JeffM2501 | if he plays other games, he should make sure it's is designed to use SLI |
| 22:37.35 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:37.55 | trepan | even meshfrags helped out a lot |
| 22:38.14 | RPG_ | yeah, this mobo was gonna be used for some 2002-era FPS games |
| 22:38.25 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, oh old stuff |
| 22:38.31 | JeffM2501 | many old apps don't have SLI profiles |
| 22:38.36 | JeffM2501 | and do things that SLI does not like |
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| 22:39.06 | JeffM2501 | what card was he going to get 2 of? |
| 22:39.17 | RPG_ | i forgot |
| 22:39.54 | JeffM2501 | unless it's a g800GT or better, don't bother |
| 22:39.59 | JeffM2501 | 6800GT |
| 22:40.18 | RPG_ | 6800GT does ring a bell |
| 22:40.30 | JeffM2501 | a single one of those will run older games pefectly |
| 22:40.35 | JeffM2501 | SLI will not make it look any difrent |
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| 22:40.38 | JeffM2501 | or really run faster |
| 22:40.47 | JeffM2501 | since he'll probably be taging his refresh anyway |
| 22:40.50 | RPG_ | he's the person who says "I have the money to buy it, so why not" |
| 22:41.07 | JeffM2501 | for the older games it may actualy cause them problems |
| 22:41.15 | JeffM2501 | UT ran like crap in SLI |
| 22:41.52 | JeffM2501 | you want SLI if you are doing like DOOM3, EQ2, COH, and that stuff |
| 22:42.04 | RPG_ | nope |
| 22:44.18 | JeffM2501 | and was he doing a nvidia? or an ATI? |
| 22:44.38 | RPG_ | nvidia |
| 22:44.53 | JeffM2501 | mobo and GPU? |
| 22:44.55 | RPG_ | with a top-of-the-line asus, and AMD X2 |
| 22:45.12 | JeffM2501 | mehh, somewhat of a waste of money on the asus |
| 22:45.23 | RPG_ | it was the best socket 939 asus they had on site, i think it ran around $250 |
| 22:45.23 | JeffM2501 | they are all Nforce4 Ref boards anyway |
| 22:45.54 | JeffM2501 | X2's arn't the best for gaming |
| 22:46.00 | JeffM2501 | a FX will serve him better |
| 22:46.28 | JeffM2501 | and installing windows can be "special" |
| 22:46.32 | JeffM2501 | on an X2 :) |
| 22:46.39 | RPG_ | heh |
| 22:46.49 | JeffM2501 | XPs default install often thinks it's a P4 |
| 22:46.54 | JeffM2501 | and installs the wrong kernel |
| 22:47.10 | JeffM2501 | since they too report 2 cpus, but only have 2 |
| 22:47.11 | JeffM2501 | 1 |
| 22:47.12 | RPG_ | eeh |
| 22:47.23 | JeffM2501 | yet you want the real SMB XP |
| 22:47.31 | JeffM2501 | really the FX may be better for him |
| 22:47.45 | JeffM2501 | the FX57 beats the X2s in nearly every game |
| 22:47.54 | RPG_ | he ended up not buying his "dream system", with the 2 GPU's, X2 and that asus |
| 22:48.01 | RPG_ | landed him over $1,000 with everything |
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| 22:48.21 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, basicly your describing my computer |
| 22:48.31 | RPG_ | heh |
| 22:48.40 | JeffM2501 | tho I have a gigabyte board |
| 22:48.43 | RPG_ | that price woke him up, and he decided to go cheap now |
| 22:48.45 | JeffM2501 | it had the exact same features |
| 22:48.52 | JeffM2501 | what does he have now? |
| 22:49.13 | RPG_ | right now he's busy taking good parts out of junk computers, so he can use them |
| 22:49.16 | RPG_ | total change of heart |
| 22:49.19 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:49.36 | RPG_ | went from "just make it fast", to "damn! did katrina raise these prices? I gotta go cheap" |
| 22:49.42 | JeffM2501 | you can get a decent 64biter with a good single GPU for under 700 |
| 22:50.17 | RPG_ | i got my setup, with the radeon 9350, athalon 64 3000+, and a gigabyte mobo for under $500 |
| 22:50.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah with that card, sure |
| 22:50.37 | RPG_ | although, it's only got 512MB of ram |
| 22:50.46 | RPG_ | but BZFlag FPS is around 50 |
| 22:50.53 | JeffM2501 | that card is line comprable to like an X200 or something |
| 22:51.08 | JeffM2501 | most bzflag maps are not good tests of graphic prowes :) |
| 22:51.23 | JeffM2501 | as trepan is wont to point out... vertex programs :) |
| 22:51.36 | RPG_ | specially 3D objects made by me |
| 22:51.48 | RPG_ | i ususally end up with around 500 extra faces tha ti can't get ride of :) |
| 22:51.49 | JeffM2501 | you are very limited in what you can do |
| 22:52.00 | JeffM2501 | no multi texture |
| 22:52.03 | JeffM2501 | no shaders |
| 22:52.06 | JeffM2501 | no bump maping |
| 22:52.17 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm bump maps......... |
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| 22:52.57 | JeffM2501 | thats right.. that's why I didn't like ogre anymore.... the gui system |
| 22:53.24 | RPG_ | i lost you completely |
| 22:53.28 | RPG_ | around the bump maps |
| 22:53.44 | JeffM2501 | normal maps man..... |
| 22:53.59 | JeffM2501 | it's what makes doom3 look like crap :) |
| 22:54.28 | trepan | easy enough to implement too, need good memory management though |
| 22:54.51 | JeffM2501 | mainline woudl never allow it |
| 22:55.10 | trepan | huh? |
| 22:55.20 | JeffM2501 | the man :) |
| 22:55.29 | JeffM2501 | I see the comments |
| 22:55.32 | trepan | (cause GF3's suck) |
| 22:55.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:56.07 | JeffM2501 | turned up ALL the stuff in Eq2 last night... that sucker can be damn purdy |
| 22:56.12 | JeffM2501 | was a slideshow |
| 22:56.14 | JeffM2501 | but realy purdy |
| 22:56.39 | JeffM2501 | bump maped chain mail can look rather good |
| 22:57.14 | trepan | throw in a displacement map, and it gets tastier |
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| 23:11.04 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: roadmap for what? |
| 23:11.24 | JeffM2501 | a thing |
| 23:11.37 | SportyGal | gee, THAT narrows it down! ;) |
| 23:11.52 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 23:12.46 | trepan | JeffM2501: you have an obj for that tree of yours? |
| 23:13.12 | JeffM2501 | obj? |
| 23:13.31 | trepan | wavefront |
| 23:13.36 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 23:13.41 | JeffM2501 | the quake tree |
| 23:13.45 | JeffM2501 | umm |
| 23:13.47 | JeffM2501 | maybe at home |
| 23:14.10 | JeffM2501 | I can re-get the MD3 and export again |
| 23:14.15 | JeffM2501 | or can blender import an MD3? |
| 23:14.53 | trepan | if there's a blender importer for md3, i don't have it |
| 23:15.13 | trepan | http://www.icculus.org/~phaethon/q3/md3import/md3import.html |
| 23:15.17 | trepan | now i do |
| 23:15.22 | JeffM2501 | http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/downloads/index.asp?model=794 |
| 23:16.45 | trepan | FilePlanet? ick |
| 23:16.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:17.07 | JeffM2501 | you shoudl like this tho |
| 23:17.07 | JeffM2501 | http://www.daionet.gr.jp/%7Emasa/rthdribl/index.html |
| 23:17.15 | JeffM2501 | I have the file I can send you if you don't want to reg |
| 23:18.17 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/mapmdl-oak-tree.zip |
| 23:18.50 | trepan | thx |
| 23:19.14 | JeffM2501 | and cus I know you'll ask, you open a pk3 file , by renaming it .zip and extrating it :) |
| 23:19.28 | JeffM2501 | that will have the md3 and the textures |
| 23:19.31 | JeffM2501 | for a couple trees |
| 23:20.14 | trepan | JeffM2501: na, i knew that ;) |
| 23:20.17 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:20.53 | trepan | learned it while playing around with your Q3 importer |
| 23:22.16 | JeffM2501 | ahh yes |
| 23:22.22 | JeffM2501 | and it's horribleness |
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| 23:24.52 | JeffM2501 | osg seems to have a large number of dependencys |
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| 23:45.32 | Roxport | are there any debian/linux gurus here? |
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| 23:56.33 | silverfox | anyone have any sort of exposure to cisco pix's? |
| 23:57.15 | Roxport | how can i find out my MAC address on my debian linux box? |
| 23:57.24 | silverfox | ifconfig -a |
| 23:57.49 | bryjen | silverfox: unfortunately, yes |
| 23:57.58 | Roxport | silverfox: thanks |
| 23:58.19 | silverfox | I think it says something silly like "physical address" |
| 23:58.41 | Roxport | will my router recognize that MAC address automatically? seems like it should. |
| 23:58.56 | Roxport | i am netinstalling debian right now |
| 23:58.56 | JeffM2501 | most routers won't care about a mac |
| 23:58.58 | silverfox | router shouldn't really care what the mac address is. |
| 23:58.59 | Roxport | ahhhh |
| 23:59.12 | JeffM2501 | just dhcp and go |
| 23:59.21 | dartman | anyone here know some contacts for A Meteorite? |
| 23:59.24 | Roxport | but if I wanted to turn on MAC address filtering for security.... |
| 23:59.27 | silverfox | Sometimes dhcp servers care about mac addresses, and your home routers have a dhcp server in them, so... |
| 23:59.28 | JeffM2501 | dartman, bzbb |
| 23:59.40 | JeffM2501 | send him a pm, the board will e-mail him that he's got a message |
| 23:59.46 | Roxport | i had to turn off MAC address filtering, then debian could see the INternet. |
| 23:59.47 | silverfox | Roxport, this must be a wifi router... |
