| 00:04.54 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (n=lyra@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 00:06.59 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar) |
| 00:08.38 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (n=lyra@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 00:15.46 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (n=blast007@24-196-92-143.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 00:30.30 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (n=Q@modemcable040.108-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:35.54 | JeffM2501 | wonder if Tim knows ibot isn't keeping logs anymore |
| 00:36.06 | wegstar | O_O |
| 00:36.25 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:36.33 | JeffM2501 | or it's interface is just jacked |
| 00:36.43 | JeffM2501 | it was only showing me logins |
| 00:36.47 | JeffM2501 | reload then it's fine |
| 00:36.48 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 00:40.46 | JeffM2501 | does anyone have logs after 8PM PST yesterday? |
| 00:40.51 | JeffM2501 | of this channel? |
| 00:41.25 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 00:41.39 | orange | I probably do |
| 00:41.50 | orange | unless my client disconnected at some point, which I doubt |
| 00:42.07 | JeffM2501 | I 'd like to see what got I_died_one baned |
| 00:42.17 | orange | ah, pm me an email |
| 00:42.20 | orange | addy |
| 00:42.31 | orange | mind if I don't filter too much? |
| 00:42.53 | JeffM2501 | I just want the part that got him kacked |
| 00:42.58 | JeffM2501 | but I can weed thru it |
| 00:43.00 | JeffM2501 | no biggie |
| 00:43.09 | orange | k, I'll purge what I can |
| 00:43.09 | brlcad | it's not that much |
| 00:43.14 | JeffM2501 | didn't think so |
| 00:43.17 | bryjen | you mean from here? |
| 00:43.19 | brlcad | maybe 10 lines |
| 00:43.19 | JeffM2501 | but I'd like to have record of it |
| 00:43.50 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:44.11 | RPG_ | hello |
| 00:44.35 | brlcad | howdy |
| 00:44.40 | RPG_ | does anyone here have a pipe big enough to support a BZ server? |
| 00:45.04 | Quol | hey brlcad (and all) |
| 00:45.11 | brlcad | howdy Quol! |
| 00:45.15 | JeffM2501 | how many players? |
| 00:47.10 | orange | JeffM2501: sent it... it's more than 10 lines, but a quick search on ban should cover it |
| 00:47.20 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 00:47.23 | orange | sure |
| 00:47.44 | RPG_ | I'm thinking a max of 16 |
| 00:47.57 | JeffM2501 | that's a fair amount |
| 00:47.59 | JeffM2501 | how many shots? |
| 00:48.02 | RPG_ | 5 |
| 00:48.10 | JeffM2501 | decent pipe for that |
| 00:48.15 | JeffM2501 | won't be cheap |
| 00:48.44 | RPG_ | My idea is to take all the management duties of a server, if someone could provide a pipe. To put a MadCity server back up on the server list. |
| 00:49.52 | JeffM2501 | thats still over a hundred gigs a month |
| 00:50.01 | Quol | JeffM2501: does the current version of BZ take more bandwidth? (compared to pre 2.x) |
| 00:50.01 | JeffM2501 | your talking somone with datacenter type pipe |
| 00:50.14 | JeffM2501 | Quol, probably a little less in playing |
| 00:50.17 | JeffM2501 | but mostly the same |
| 00:50.31 | JeffM2501 | maps can be biger so thats a bit more on the inital connect |
| 00:50.39 | JeffM2501 | but caching can lower that down to a one shot per player |
| 00:50.41 | RPG_ | isn't there a -cache option |
| 00:50.58 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, noone with a standard home connection is going to have a pipe that big |
| 00:51.03 | Tegan | what happened to the shattered? or is this that? |
| 00:51.10 | JeffM2501 | she quit it |
| 00:51.17 | RPG_ | that's what I want to take up |
| 00:51.25 | brlcad | yeah, what happened there? |
| 00:51.27 | Quol | well, from my old servers, it was roughly 20Kbps per client if I remember correctly then...10 players was close to 200 - 250Kbps on my old servers |
| 00:51.39 | JeffM2501 | she didn't want to admin it IIRC, to much RL stuff |
| 00:51.50 | RPG_ | RL? |
| 00:51.51 | JeffM2501 | Quol, shotcount affets that greatly |
| 00:52.10 | Tegan | RL? |
| 00:52.12 | JeffM2501 | there is a post on bzbb about it |
| 00:52.15 | JeffM2501 | REAL LIFE |
| 00:52.20 | Quol | JeffM2501: so it should be lower than that then? |
| 00:52.21 | brlcad | Quol: did you ever see the stat graphs I put together that showed how utilization scaled? |
| 00:52.21 | Tegan | no help there |
| 00:52.22 | JeffM2501 | you know that big world out there |
| 00:52.38 | brlcad | Tegan: you're more than welcome to pick up shattered :) |
| 00:52.42 | JeffM2501 | Quol, DTR was the master at it, there is a post on bzbb about it all |
| 00:52.43 | Quol | brlcad: I think I did....ya, I think so |
| 00:52.45 | Tegan | hmm? |
| 00:52.47 | JeffM2501 | with graphs and stuff |
| 00:52.50 | brlcad | is it even running any more? |
| 00:52.50 | Tegan | ohhhh, *that* real life! |
| 00:52.59 | RPG_ | brlcad: nopw |
| 00:53.06 | brlcad | hmm |
| 00:53.10 | JeffM2501 | IIRC secretplace with 20 players and 10 shots does like close to 300gigs a month |
| 00:53.14 | JeffM2501 | like 1.5 megs /s |
| 00:53.27 | brlcad | must have been a bad day at the office |
| 00:53.58 | brlcad | yeah, something like that |
| 00:54.11 | RPG_ | i was growing to like tha tserver :( |
| 00:54.12 | Tegan | brlcad, at Sleepycows? |
| 00:54.17 | brlcad | it's non-linear .. every player is more and more expensive |
| 00:54.37 | brlcad | Tegan: hmm? no.. i mean on .bz .. |
| 00:54.55 | brlcad | just a matter of turning the server back on |
| 00:55.38 | Aribeth | i could run it on sleepycows |
| 00:55.44 | JeffM2501 | he must have been drunk |
| 00:56.27 | JeffM2501 | he needs to learn that not everyting is about him |
| 00:56.28 | JeffM2501 | sad |
| 00:56.42 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*@pcp0010382004pcs.savana01.ga.comcast.net] by JeffM2501 |
| 00:56.56 | JeffM2501 | if he gets upity again it'll be perma |
| 00:57.25 | RPG_ | looks like vader's hostmark |
| 00:57.31 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 00:57.42 | RPG_ | what'd he do this tiem? |
| 00:57.57 | brlcad | JeffM2501: was he complaining about it? |
| 00:58.01 | JeffM2501 | made a snippy remark at the wrong person |
| 00:58.02 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:58.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, no, but I'm willing to understand why he's upset, so he can have another shot |
| 00:58.44 | JeffM2501 | and I'd not call that enought for a perma ban |
| 00:58.54 | bryjen | especially ones with a silly name like snickerdoodles |
| 00:59.32 | JeffM2501 | sometiems I get the feeling that he's used to being the bully, and here has nothing to throw around |
| 01:03.32 | *** join/#bzflag bytecoder (n=bytecode@c-67-175-144-120.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:03.39 | bytecoder | how in god's name can a game be so freaking buggy! |
| 01:03.40 | bytecoder | grr |
| 01:04.06 | RPG_ | well, then fix it |
| 01:04.09 | bytecoder | pff |
| 01:04.14 | bytecoder | maybe you should fix it |
| 01:04.15 | JeffM2501 | what are you off on now? |
| 01:04.21 | bytecoder | hehe |
| 01:04.27 | bytecoder | I just got shot |
| 01:04.33 | JeffM2501 | and that's a bug? |
| 01:04.34 | bytecoder | after my net connection went back up |
| 01:04.46 | bytecoder | and not only could I not message the guy who did it, I couldn't spawn |
| 01:04.46 | RPG_ | "it's a bug htat i'm not invincible to the rest of the field" |
| 01:04.58 | bytecoder | I had to quite |
| 01:05.00 | bytecoder | quit* |
| 01:05.06 | JeffM2501 | you droped connect in the middle of a game? |
| 01:05.13 | bytecoder | also, it stalls sometimes when connecting to a server/connecting the the list server |
| 01:05.15 | JeffM2501 | like IP change and stuff? |
| 01:05.26 | JeffM2501 | or are you on like dialup? |
| 01:05.27 | bytecoder | and as far as I can tell, it's not a timeout |
| 01:05.29 | bytecoder | no |
| 01:05.32 | bytecoder | my cable provider sucks |
| 01:05.48 | JeffM2501 | mass packetlos can screw up lots of stuff in the state |
| 01:05.49 | bryjen | sorry, we can't fix that. |
| 01:05.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:05.55 | bytecoder | what? |
| 01:06.01 | bytecoder | it's the games fault for not recovering properly |
| 01:06.06 | bytecoder | I was playing |
| 01:06.09 | bytecoder | my connection went out |
| 01:06.15 | bytecoder | I had fun playing around the level |
| 01:06.17 | bryjen | bwahahahaha |
| 01:06.20 | JeffM2501 | we sould probalby just kick oyu out then |
| 01:06.21 | bytecoder | my net connection went back up |
| 01:06.25 | bytecoder | I started playing again |
| 01:06.26 | bytecoder | got shot |
| 01:06.31 | bytecoder | couldn't message the guy, nor respawn |
| 01:06.34 | JeffM2501 | what happend to drop your connect? |
| 01:06.39 | bytecoder | what? |
| 01:06.42 | bytecoder | I was playing |
| 01:06.49 | JeffM2501 | not in game |
| 01:06.52 | bytecoder | no |
| 01:06.53 | JeffM2501 | what happend to your net? |
| 01:06.53 | bytecoder | I was in the game |
| 01:06.58 | bytecoder | umm... |
| 01:06.59 | JeffM2501 | just like mass lag/ packetloss? |
| 01:07.02 | bytecoder | it disconnected? |
| 01:07.05 | brlcad | pebkac error |
| 01:07.16 | JeffM2501 | so like your modem went totaly offline? |
| 01:07.21 | JeffM2501 | are you static or dynamic IP? |
| 01:07.28 | JeffM2501 | and are you behind a router? |
| 01:07.29 | bytecoder | it's basically static |
| 01:07.35 | bytecoder | my cable connection sucks |
| 01:07.37 | bytecoder | my ip is the same |
| 01:07.41 | bytecoder | it rarely changes |
| 01:07.45 | JeffM2501 | we probalby lost the TCP conenction then |
| 01:07.47 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 01:07.50 | bytecoder | no |
| 01:07.54 | bytecoder | I went playing fine |
| 01:07.55 | bytecoder | and got shot |
| 01:08.02 | bytecoder | obviously, it was fine |
| 01:08.03 | JeffM2501 | then your playerstate wasn't updated |
| 01:08.07 | bytecoder | except I couldn't respawn |
| 01:08.11 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (n=frank@p5481BB81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:08.11 | bytecoder | nor message the guy |
| 01:08.16 | JeffM2501 | the server sent you TCP packets that it asusmed you got |
| 01:08.21 | *** join/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=Ice_Wewe@ppp-216-106-103-164.storm.ca) |
| 01:08.22 | Ice_Wewe | hey all |
| 01:08.25 | bytecoder | hi |
| 01:08.27 | JeffM2501 | I don't really see how we could detect that |
| 01:08.36 | Ice_Wewe | wondering how hard it'd be to add a jitter max to bzfs... |
| 01:08.37 | JeffM2501 | ehh well we could do more with packet IDs |
| 01:08.45 | bytecoder | what do you mean? |
| 01:08.52 | bytecoder | I don't get how that wouldn't be not handled |
| 01:08.53 | Ice_Wewe | instead of just a lag max |
| 01:08.58 | brlcad | RPG_: I'd be willing to consider letting you, but it would come with huge caveats |
| 01:09.01 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, it's a rare case, there are things we can do, and things we have talked about doing, but they will require protocoll changes |
| 01:09.12 | Ice_Wewe | well LouMan is having a problem on Laser Mania where people are adding jitter to get inside building |
| 01:09.13 | RPG_ | ~dict caveats |
| 01:09.15 | Ice_Wewe | buildings* |
| 01:09.15 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, most people don't have TCP packets that go missing |
| 01:09.30 | bytecoder | oh? |
| 01:09.42 | Ice_Wewe | if you modded the lag code to query the local (on the machine its self) jitter, you could solve this problem |
| 01:09.42 | bytecoder | anyway, I'm going to go back to playing bzflag |
| 01:09.44 | JeffM2501 | TCP is suposed to allways got thru |
| 01:09.46 | bytecoder | just came here to vent a little |
| 01:09.52 | RPG_ | brlcad: shoot |
| 01:09.55 | Ice_Wewe | now I'm not a programmer, so I'm not saying I can do this |
| 01:09.57 | bytecoder | and to notify you guys, I guess |
| 01:10.00 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, how about you not be a jerck and cut some people some slack ok? |
| 01:10.04 | Ice_Wewe | but I'm wondering how hard it'd be... |
| 01:10.05 | JeffM2501 | instead of just shouting crap |
| 01:10.10 | bytecoder | shouting? |
| 01:10.19 | JeffM2501 | first thing you come in saying is how buggy our work is |
| 01:10.21 | bytecoder | cool, can I shout over the internet? ;) |
| 01:10.26 | bytecoder | heh |
| 01:10.26 | JeffM2501 | when all you realy did was hit a rare case |
| 01:10.30 | JeffM2501 | that's not nice man |
| 01:10.31 | bytecoder | well |
| 01:10.36 | bytecoder | it's not just that |
| 01:10.40 | JeffM2501 | and makes it very hard to take what you say serioyusly |
| 01:10.40 | Ice_Wewe | anyone willing to answer my question? |
| 01:10.44 | Ice_Wewe | or should I come back later? |
| 01:10.47 | bytecoder | it will frequently stall when trying to connect |
| 01:10.53 | bytecoder | stalls* |
| 01:10.55 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, as you say, your cable sucks |
| 01:10.57 | Ice_Wewe | bytecoder, what is your OS? |
| 01:10.57 | bytecoder | when my net connection is down |
| 01:11.02 | bytecoder | linux |
| 01:11.03 | bytecoder | 2.6 |
| 01:11.04 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: what did Green Manalishi do to become "On Watch"? |
| 01:11.06 | Ice_Wewe | good :) |
| 01:11.11 | JeffM2501 | when your connection goes down we get screwed |
| 01:11.11 | brlcad | ~dict caveat |
| 01:11.19 | JeffM2501 | bflag asumes a stable net connection |
| 01:11.20 | bytecoder | well |
| 01:11.23 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is a lan game |
| 01:11.26 | bytecoder | it only happens every once in a while |
| 01:11.28 | bytecoder | the stalling, that is |
| 01:11.30 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, stuff |
| 01:11.32 | Ice_Wewe | then don't worry about it |
| 01:11.33 | bytecoder | ever heard of a timeout? |
| 01:11.39 | bytecoder | except it's annoying when it happens |
| 01:11.39 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, there are timeouts |
| 01:11.40 | Ice_Wewe | bytecoder: use the latest CVS |
| 01:11.43 | bytecoder | because I have to killall -9 it |
| 01:11.49 | Ice_Wewe | bytecoder: my client is 2 days old... |
| 01:11.55 | brlcad | RPG_: well, first off, what OS do you know/run? |
| 01:12.00 | JeffM2501 | we timeout when your TCP stack tells is that the TCP timed out |
| 01:12.03 | RPG_ | i run winXP |
| 01:12.09 | RPG_ | but trying to migrate to linux |
| 01:12.10 | JeffM2501 | your TCP is probably locked |
| 01:12.16 | Ice_Wewe | can some programmer like Tupone help me with this patch? |
| 01:12.27 | Ice_Wewe | cause I can't tell programming from dog sh*t |
| 01:12.28 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, bytecoder is not talking about you |
| 01:12.29 | bytecoder | well, all I know is that americas army doesn't do it |
| 01:12.37 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, I don't think anyone has a solution to your problem |
| 01:12.43 | Ice_Wewe | JEffM2501: I see |
| 01:12.46 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, that system is designed for the interent |
| 01:12.52 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is a lan game |
| 01:12.57 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: well how hard would it be to mod the lag code? |
| 01:13.06 | brlcad | RPG_: I don't have a windows server behind decent bandwidth, only a bsd one |
| 01:13.07 | JeffM2501 | depends on what you want to mod |
| 01:13.13 | bytecoder | well |
| 01:13.21 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: just need to mod it to check jitter and kick if its to high |
| 01:13.23 | bytecoder | obviously you should make it internet ready |
| 01:13.26 | bytecoder | but you're probably already doing that |
| 01:13.27 | RPG_ | brlcad: i was thinking an OS beside's windows ;) |
| 01:13.28 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: nothing else |
| 01:13.29 | bytecoder | so I guess I'm done here |
| 01:13.30 | bytecoder | by |
| 01:13.30 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, just put a check in then |
| 01:13.31 | bytecoder | e |
| 01:13.32 | bytecoder | bye* |
| 01:13.45 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I would, but I don't know how to program |
| 01:13.45 | RPG_ | windows doesn't do good for servers |
| 01:13.46 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, just try to work with us some more instead of coming off ofensive ok? |
| 01:13.49 | brlcad | RPG_: so you'd have to be familiar with the unix command line, enough to set up the server, check if/how it's running, point the logs, etc |
| 01:13.49 | bytecoder | thanks for umm...thanks |
| 01:13.57 | bytecoder | JeffM2501, :P |
| 01:13.59 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, then it looks like you'r not gonna get it done |
| 01:14.03 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, exuse me? |
| 01:14.14 | bytecoder | JeffM2501, well, it's particularly annoying when stuff like that happens :) |
| 01:14.16 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2051: what is the bzflag code written in? |
| 01:14.18 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, there is no built in kick for that, it would have to badded |
| 01:14.27 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:14.31 | JeffM2501 | bytecoder, I'm sure it is, but it dosn't happen to us, so we arn't going to be able to give you a magic answer |
| 01:14.33 | bytecoder | let's hope it doesn't do it again |
| 01:14.34 | JeffM2501 | so you have to work with us |
| 01:14.42 | *** join/#bzflag LouMan (n=42bc3c6b@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:14.43 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: C++? |
| 01:14.47 | Ice_Wewe | hey LouMan |
| 01:14.48 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, yes |
| 01:14.50 | LouMan | hi |
| 01:14.52 | Ice_Wewe | just discussing the patch |
| 01:14.54 | Aribeth | hi |
| 01:14.58 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, you have a patch? |
| 01:15.03 | bytecoder | ok, well |
| 01:15.04 | bytecoder | ok |
| 01:15.05 | bytecoder | bye |
| 01:15.06 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I'll ask my dad if he knows how to C++ |
| 01:15.11 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I wish |
| 01:15.16 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, then don't say patch |
| 01:15.19 | JeffM2501 | you are asking for a new feature |
| 01:15.25 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: fine, I won |
| 01:15.28 | JeffM2501 | like days before we are shooting for a release |
| 01:15.29 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: fine, I wont* |
| 01:15.37 | JeffM2501 | nothing wrong with asking for them |
| 01:15.43 | Ice_Wewe | 2.0.4? |
| 01:15.49 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, you were perfectly fine to |
| 01:15.52 | Ice_Wewe | asking who? |
| 01:15.54 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, yes we are trying to release |
| 01:16.04 | brlcad | RPG_: I generally give out accounts on a peer-recommendation system.. i.e. you get folks that I already trust to vouche for you |
| 01:16.06 | bryjen | reminded me of this http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020719 |
| 01:16.10 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: well I'll see if I get anywhere on it |
| 01:16.15 | JeffM2501 | ice umm ok |
| 01:16.18 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: also I finished my sig logo |
| 01:16.18 | JeffM2501 | best of luck |
| 01:16.22 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 01:16.29 | JeffM2501 | we hav a lag kick now right? |
| 01:16.29 | brlcad | RPG_: if you can do that, have them contact me and I'll set you up the bomb |
| 01:16.42 | Ice_Wewe | yes |
| 01:16.50 | Ice_Wewe | just mod it for jitter |
| 01:17.01 | JeffM2501 | does the server even know about jitter? |
| 01:17.18 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: it has inaccurate jitter readings, yes |
| 01:17.41 | brlcad | Jitter is in the LagInfo packets |
| 01:17.46 | Aribeth | all your server are belong to us! |
| 01:18.00 | bryjen | ~bryjen4 |
| 01:18.06 | brlcad | ~Aribeth++ |
| 01:18.12 | Aribeth | :) |
| 01:18.18 | JeffM2501 | ok so we can just add it to the kicker |
| 01:18.23 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: so if Jitter is in the laginfo packets, why can you just add a line of code to check and kick for jitter as well? |
| 01:18.35 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, just calm down. I'm just asking about it |
| 01:18.40 | JeffM2501 | I never said we can't |
| 01:18.47 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: maybe add it as an option in bzfs.con |
| 01:18.47 | JeffM2501 | I never said we'd not do the feature |
| 01:18.51 | Ice_Wewe | bzfs.conf* |
| 01:18.59 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, the conf is client side |
| 01:19.11 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: no, conf is on the server side |
| 01:19.22 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 01:19.24 | JeffM2501 | ok skip |
| 01:19.26 | JeffM2501 | trust me |
| 01:19.27 | Ice_Wewe | thus it can be set by the server owner |
| 01:19.28 | bryjen | there's one on both sides, silly people |
| 01:19.28 | JeffM2501 | I know how bzfs works |
| 01:19.33 | Ice_Wewe | which is the point |
| 01:19.43 | JeffM2501 | the "config" on the server just passes in command line options |
| 01:19.57 | Ice_Wewe | what if the owner doesn't want to have this on? |
| 01:19.57 | JeffM2501 | so if you add a command line option for it, you get conf supoort |
| 01:20.07 | JeffM2501 | that is why you make it an OPTION |
| 01:20.13 | Ice_Wewe | what if the owner wants to lower the limit |
| 01:20.15 | JeffM2501 | as I said, I am looking at it now |
| 01:20.20 | JeffM2501 | that is why the OPTION has a value |
| 01:20.23 | Ice_Wewe | ok ok ok, I accpet that it may be hard |
| 01:20.25 | JeffM2501 | dude, let me do my job |
| 01:20.29 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 01:20.31 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's going to be cake |
| 01:20.34 | JeffM2501 | dont' asume the worst |
| 01:20.35 | Ice_Wewe | really? |
| 01:20.40 | bryjen | Ice_Wewe: talk less, wait more. he's working on it |
| 01:20.42 | JeffM2501 | did I ever say it was going to be hard |
| 01:20.48 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, are you like 12? |
| 01:20.55 | Aribeth | dare to sysadmin :P |
| 01:20.55 | Ice_Wewe | well, when you get it finished, can I be a guinea pig? P4s compile pretty fast... |
| 01:21.02 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: actually I'm 14 |
| 01:21.04 | JeffM2501 | no they dn't |
| 01:21.09 | JeffM2501 | ok same age |
| 01:21.14 | JeffM2501 | 1) calm the heck down kid |
| 01:21.24 | JeffM2501 | 2) it would go into cvs so you could test when everyone else can |
| 01:21.28 | bryjen | close 'nuff for gov'ment work |
| 01:21.36 | JeffM2501 | 3) we know what we are doing so please don't overthink it for us |
| 01:21.41 | Ice_Wewe | fine |
| 01:21.56 | Ice_Wewe | although I think it was me who thought of it as a solution to LouMan's problem... |
| 01:21.56 | JeffM2501 | I do't want to be mean, but it's a little anoying :( |
| 01:22.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to help you here :) |
| 01:22.11 | Ice_Wewe | understood |
| 01:22.17 | JeffM2501 | we haven't done RC5 yet, so if it's easy and non invasive I can work it in |
| 01:22.57 | JeffM2501 | what is the command to set lagkick? |
| 01:23.09 | Ice_Wewe | it is in the bzfs.conf file |
| 01:23.22 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 01:23.27 | JeffM2501 | and that command is....? |
| 01:23.28 | Ice_Wewe | don't know the command line option |
| 01:23.31 | Ice_Wewe | I'll check |
| 01:23.38 | JeffM2501 | it's the SAME as the config file |
| 01:23.40 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 01:23.43 | JeffM2501 | no I'll look it up |
| 01:23.44 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.45 | Ice_Wewe | -lagwarn <time/ms> |
| 01:23.46 | Ice_Wewe | there |
| 01:23.51 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, thanks |
| 01:23.56 | brlcad | there used to be a jitter check iirc |
| 01:24.02 | brlcad | it didn't work out so well |
| 01:24.15 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I'm tracking it down, mabye add it as an option |
| 01:24.16 | brlcad | too many client variations that weren't the fault of the player |
| 01:24.20 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:24.28 | JeffM2501 | that is the problem with jitter |
| 01:24.29 | brlcad | and some high jitter getting computed that wasn't 'real' |
| 01:24.31 | JeffM2501 | it's jittery |
| 01:24.49 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, you sure you want jitter, it could give you false positives |
| 01:24.59 | brlcad | and some players would spike to huge jitter amounts, where they'd otherwise be near zero |
| 01:25.03 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: its not the server side that is the problem |
| 01:25.08 | LouMan | no - i have another 'solution' |
| 01:25.09 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: its the clietn side |
| 01:25.13 | Ice_Wewe | client* |
| 01:25.21 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, we can't controll jitter on the client man |
| 01:25.28 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, ok, so your cool? |
| 01:25.29 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I know that, but you can moniter it |
| 01:25.36 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, please let him speak |
| 01:25.43 | LouMan | sorry don;t know how to pm, but yes |
| 01:25.45 | JeffM2501 | you stated this was for him correct? |
| 01:25.55 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, ok |
| 01:26.00 | JeffM2501 | fair nuff |
| 01:26.19 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, jitter can bounce around so much that you'd get people who don't have "real" jitter that is that high |
| 01:26.31 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, we've held till tomrow so he has time |
| 01:26.49 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: then set it to average it out over 5 seconds, then send a reading |
| 01:26.55 | SportChick | JeffM2501: oh, okay - cool |
| 01:27.00 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, if he's got a solution I'd much rather wait till the full jitter problems can be evaluated. |
| 01:27.07 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, that's just a guess |
| 01:27.08 | LouMan | i have added death zones under my buildings - waiting for trepan to update server with new map |
| 01:27.08 | SportChick | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 01:27.11 | JeffM2501 | hacking guesses is bad |
| 01:27.18 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, ok |
| 01:27.20 | SportChick | hiya LouMan, long time no see |
| 01:27.41 | Ice_Wewe | brb |
| 01:27.41 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, you are map maker #1 so if you need something we are more apt to listen :) |
| 01:27.41 | Aribeth | hiya Sporty |
| 01:27.50 | SportChick | hi ari |
| 01:27.54 | LouMan | lol - means a lot :) |
| 01:28.02 | JeffM2501 | you make some good stuff man |
| 01:28.05 | JeffM2501 | really good stuff |
| 01:28.11 | SportChick | awesome stuff |
| 01:28.18 | LouMan | thanks! *blush |
| 01:28.23 | Aribeth | LouMan A+++ map maker |
| 01:28.29 | SportChick | ~LouMan++ |
| 01:28.34 | JeffM2501 | did you have like quake or UT maping experience? |
| 01:28.39 | JeffM2501 | before doing the BZ? |
| 01:28.40 | Aribeth | ~LouMan++ |
| 01:28.45 | LouMan | yes - a little UT |
| 01:28.51 | RPG_ | ~karma LouMan |
| 01:28.51 | ibot | louman has karma of 2 |
| 01:28.52 | JeffM2501 | cool, |
| 01:29.01 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:29.01 | JeffM2501 | probably one reason you "got" what meshes were |
| 01:29.08 | JeffM2501 | many others had a very hard time |
| 01:29.20 | LouMan | yeah - and i've worked with 3d modelers for some time |
| 01:29.22 | JeffM2501 | so If I gave you a portal/bsp based editor you'd go to town then? ;) |
| 01:29.25 | Ice_Wewe | ~Ice_Wewe+++++ |
| 01:29.32 | Ice_Wewe | ~annoying Ice_Wewe |
| 01:29.37 | LouMan | woo hoo! |
| 01:29.37 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, you can't bump your own karma |
| 01:29.41 | JeffM2501 | and dude you can stop now, really |
| 01:29.48 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I wasn't |
| 01:30.12 | LouMan | what is this karma thing? |
| 01:30.13 | JeffM2501 | and why do you want "massive" behind your sig name? |
| 01:30.23 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, it's just a thing the bot can track |
| 01:30.32 | JeffM2501 | when somone does somethign good or helpfull you give them a karma point |
| 01:30.39 | JeffM2501 | when they do bad, you take one away :) |
| 01:30.42 | LouMan | neat! |
| 01:30.48 | JeffM2501 | ibot karma SportChick |
| 01:30.49 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 105 |
| 01:30.53 | brlcad | any bison/flex experts in the # ? having trouble with some reduction rules on this bzw parser |
| 01:31.00 | JeffM2501 | ibot, karma shorty114 |
| 01:31.00 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -476 |
| 01:31.02 | JeffM2501 | see |
| 01:31.13 | Ice_Wewe | ibot, karma Ice_Wewe |
| 01:31.13 | ibot | ice_wewe has neutral karma |
| 01:31.19 | Ice_Wewe | nice |
| 01:31.21 | JeffM2501 | noone likes or hates you |
| 01:31.26 | RPG_ | ibot, karma TimRiker |
| 01:31.26 | ibot | timriker has karma of -651 |
| 01:31.30 | Ice_Wewe | roflmao |
| 01:31.31 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:31.31 | LouMan | very neat - i should learn how to use irc ;) |
| 01:31.35 | Aribeth | ~karma Aribeth |
| 01:31.35 | ibot | aribeth has karma of 25 |
| 01:31.41 | Aribeth | :) |
| 01:31.43 | JeffM2501 | you've been a good girl |
| 01:31.46 | RPG_ | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 01:31.46 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 71 |
| 01:31.50 | Aribeth | yep |
| 01:31.57 | JeffM2501 | I got karmicly reduced |
| 01:31.57 | Ice_Wewe | beat me to it |
| 01:31.59 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 01:32.10 | Ice_Wewe | ibot, karma RPG_ |
| 01:32.10 | ibot | rpg_ has karma of 1 |
| 01:32.21 | Ice_Wewe | ibot, karma ibot |
| 01:32.21 | ibot | ibot has karma of 12 |
| 01:32.24 | Ice_Wewe | nice |
| 01:32.28 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG |
| 01:32.28 | ibot | rpg has karma of 11 |
| 01:32.33 | Ice_Wewe | ~ibot+ |
| 01:32.37 | Ice_Wewe | ~karma ibot |
| 01:32.37 | ibot | ibot has karma of 12 |
| 01:32.45 | Ice_Wewe | how do you give him one? |
| 01:32.53 | LouMan | well, gtg monitor the map for a little - thanks for the kind words and the excellent support! |
| 01:33.02 | RPG_ | type "/part ibot++" |
| 01:33.02 | brlcad | cya LouMan |
| 01:33.07 | *** part/#bzflag LouMan (n=42bc3c6b@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:33.11 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:33.17 | Aribeth | :) |
| 01:33.20 | Ice_Wewe | RPG_ no, that will make me leave |
| 01:33.22 | Ice_Wewe | well |
| 01:33.24 | Ice_Wewe | gnite all |
| 01:33.31 | RPG_ | oh- oops, got my commands mixed up again |
| 01:33.53 | Aribeth | lol |
| 01:35.55 | RPG_ | ~logs |
| 01:35.56 | ibot | logs is probably http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 01:36.17 | JeffM2501 | ot' |
| 01:36.22 | JeffM2501 | it's just a number |
| 01:36.24 | JeffM2501 | dosnt' mean anything |
| 01:37.20 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, and you can't add it to the cron thing because the API dosn't have the jitter |
| 01:37.27 | JeffM2501 | API dosn't have lag info at all |
| 01:38.19 | brlcad | yay, parsing world and box blocks now |
| 01:38.39 | JeffM2501 | is that good or bad? |
| 01:40.22 | brlcad | that's good |
| 01:40.29 | JeffM2501 | then yay |
| 01:43.28 | brlcad | i just can't do recursive reductions inside recursive rulesets for some reason.. silly BNF |
| 01:45.28 | brlcad | the bzw.5 manpage is incredibly useful, it's almost parser syntax as is |
| 01:45.49 | brlcad | with lots of bugs and inconsistencies.. *cough* |
| 01:46.05 | bryjen | ~pw |
| 01:46.07 | ibot | well, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 01:47.44 | bryjen | eh. what i meant was "as long as you're in there..." |
| 01:48.15 | Tegan | you don't like 'em whomped or I'd've offered you one |
| 01:48.37 | SportChick | ~LouMan+50 |
| 01:48.42 | SportChick | ~LouMan+=50 |
| 01:48.48 | SportChick | ~karma LouMan |
| 01:48.48 | ibot | louman has karma of 2 |
| 01:48.52 | menotume | hehe |
| 01:48.53 | SportChick | that doesn't work |
| 01:48.55 | SportChick | hrm |
| 01:48.59 | menotume | nope :) |
| 01:49.02 | SportChick | sheesh |
| 01:49.03 | Tegan | ~LouMan++ |
| 01:49.06 | menotume | would be too easy :) |
| 01:49.13 | SportChick | ~LouMan++ |
| 01:49.24 | SportChick | yeah, well, I thought maybe someone hacked it or something |
| 01:53.45 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org |
| 01:53.52 | bryjen | Mad City |
| 01:54.19 | Tegan | oh did someone else start it already? |
| 01:54.44 | bryjen | only 3 shots tho. i think the one last night was like 7 or 5 |
| 01:54.49 | Tegan | yes, 5 |
| 01:55.06 | bryjen | hmm |
| 01:55.45 | bryjen | i think i max out around 14 players with 3 shots |
| 01:56.44 | Aribeth | bryjen, what type of connection and what speed? |
| 01:57.24 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:58.23 | Thumper_ | bzflag.norang.ca:5155 4-shot Mad City |
| 02:07.23 | trepan | anaglyphs suck, and cause headaches |
| 02:08.18 | purple_cow | it's cheap |
| 02:08.58 | trepan | would prefer shuttered glasses (i think, haven't tried 'em yet) |
| 02:09.48 | purple_cow | shutter glasses are ok but not great |
| 02:09.51 | brlcad | shuttered glasses are better imo |
| 02:10.18 | trepan | anyone used a polarized screen/glasses set? |
| 02:10.20 | purple_cow | near-eye displays are my favorite by far |
| 02:10.28 | brlcad | i can use them for hours, the redblue junk gives me headaches in just a minute or two |
| 02:10.35 | purple_cow | trepan: yeah, it's kind of between shutter & anaglyph in terms of crumminess |
| 02:10.49 | purple_cow | even with the circular polarization, there's some ghosting |
| 02:10.59 | trepan | brlcad: 60 secs 5 minutes ago, and my heads still ringing |
| 02:11.21 | trepan | purple_cow: what kind of res for near-eye? lcds? |
| 02:12.01 | purple_cow | most near-eye is qvga |
| 02:12.13 | brlcad | there's not any high-res enough for near-eye .. either too expensive or too low res |
| 02:12.18 | brlcad | or both |
| 02:12.42 | purple_cow | in my experience you can't really tell with anything above qvga |
| 02:15.38 | brlcad | ehh, I suppose it just matters exactly how near eye you mean |
| 02:15.51 | brlcad | I can tell all the way up to 1024 pretty easily |
| 02:16.09 | bryjen | Aribeth: it's fiber ethernet. the local municipal utility co sells it as a T1 replacement, so it's capped at 1.5mbps |
| 02:17.23 | brlcad | no bad for a home line |
| 02:17.26 | *** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-66-73-166-47.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:17.26 | bryjen | it's at work ;) |
| 02:17.35 | brlcad | they officially allow servers or just don't care/check? |
| 02:17.38 | Tegan | hi Silent_Swan |
| 02:18.13 | bryjen | i don't think they do the fiber deal to residential. they offer a wireless (not WiFi) that's low-end DSL-like |
| 02:19.04 | purple_cow | brlcad: well, i'm talking about things like the microdisplays that are usually less than 0.5" away |
| 02:19.53 | brlcad | eek |
| 02:20.43 | *** part/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=silent@adsl-66-73-166-47.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 02:21.26 | purple_cow | brlcad: they work surprisingly well :) |
| 02:26.17 | Grumbler | is the "infinite missle" been documented... |
| 02:26.22 | Grumbler | err, has |
| 02:26.31 | purple_cow | is that like magic missile? |
| 02:26.40 | bryjen | silver bullets? |
| 02:26.51 | Grumbler | one missle out of the group goes on much, much longer than the others |
| 02:27.07 | Grumbler | i have benefited and been killed by such missle |
| 02:27.33 | Grumbler | 2 minutes ago the missle fired at me did loops around the map as i teleported |
| 02:27.57 | Grumbler | while the rest of its "group" died in the ground |
| 02:28.12 | bryjen | and its not just from added velocity of the shooter driving forward? |
| 02:28.58 | Grumbler | nope....i was counting ~10 seconds between start and finish....also note that it seems to be the middle of the group, never end or beginning |
| 02:29.55 | Grumbler | ....and if there is added velocity for a GM, that seems bogus |
| 02:30.06 | Grumbler | ...but that is not related |
| 02:30.09 | Grumbler | i dont think |
| 02:30.44 | Grumbler | wish there were more maps to check it out on....i only really see it on SP |
| 02:30.44 | bryjen | all shots get the tanks velocity factored in. except maybe SW |
| 02:31.38 | Grumbler | well, it doesnt explain how long some of these go.... |
| 02:32.19 | Grumbler | not really true to life for a GM i would think either |
| 02:32.45 | Grumbler | but hey, what do i know |
| 02:33.28 | Grumbler | ...except that i just saw a missle do circles 10 seconds after its brethern died off |
| 02:33.33 | bryjen | bzflag is a caricature of reality, not a simulation ;) |
| 02:33.58 | Grumbler | heh |
| 02:34.07 | *** join/#bzflag PKMOBILE (n=Apathy@pcp0011645240pcs.aberdn01.md.comcast.net) |
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| 02:35.10 | Grumbler | wow, MAC is here. |
| 02:35.25 | bryjen | if it's up to the shooter to declare the shot ended, it could be a cheat. or network glitch, or a bug. |
| 02:35.29 | ibunny | uhm.. |
| 02:36.13 | Grumbler | i am guessing network glitch because it was a widowmaker missle......i dont think widow is the type.... |
| 02:36.19 | *** part/#bzflag ibunny (i=fnord@pdpc/supporter/active/jolie) |
| 02:36.38 | Grumbler | i am wondering why i would only see it on GM though... |
| 02:36.41 | Aribeth | anyone encounter this problem when updating anon cvs? |
| 02:36.44 | Aribeth | an't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv3389 |
| 02:36.50 | Aribeth | Too many links |
| 02:36.55 | brlcad | Grumbler: not MAC |
| 02:37.11 | brlcad | there's lots of apathy in md ;) |
| 02:37.16 | bryjen | hehe |
| 02:37.21 | Grumbler | heh |
| 02:37.46 | Grumbler | guess i can end the hunt for frogs and locusts |
| 02:37.57 | PKMOBILE | goooooo Apathy! |
| 02:38.27 | Tegan | Aribeth, if it counts, know I get the same result |
| 02:38.35 | bryjen | which came first, the apathy or the D.C. ? |
| 02:38.41 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 02:39.10 | Aribeth | i guess anon cvs is broked |
| 02:39.21 | blast007 | Aribeth, it's been that way for a few days, if not more |
| 02:39.34 | Aribeth | hummm |
| 02:39.38 | Grumbler | either that or it just doenst like you two |
| 02:39.39 | blast007 | I use dev, so I'm not sure when it started exactly |
| 02:40.05 | Aribeth | no cvs update for me then |
| 02:40.08 | Aribeth | :( |
| 02:40.23 | Grumbler | well, i suppose i should look at why missles dont have the same end shot. |
| 02:40.42 | PKMOBILE | apathy came first, D.C. just showed us how to do apathy right |
| 02:41.25 | Tegan | cvs = code motel? (code checks in, but doesn't check out) |
| 02:41.46 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:41.53 | Aribeth | lol |
| 02:42.04 | DTRemenak | ~tegan++ |
| 02:42.11 | DTRemenak | for making me smile :) |
| 02:42.50 | bryjen | its to make sure you've paid your bill. you can't checkout without a password ;) |
| 02:44.46 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.01 | Aribeth | :) |
| 02:45.19 | bryjen | violent tonight, isn't she? |
| 02:45.39 | Aribeth | ya |
| 02:45.42 | brlcad | sugar high |
| 02:45.47 | Aribeth | :) |
| 02:46.23 | Aribeth | i was pain in snickerdoodles for building a desk :) |
| 02:46.28 | Aribeth | paid* |
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| 02:48.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 02:50.22 | bryjen | nothing recent about cvs on the site status web page. |
| 02:50.58 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:51.44 | blast007 | a project starting with the letter 'i' worked fine for me |
| 02:52.40 | Aribeth | humm |
| 02:54.05 | DTRemenak | don't forget g and k |
| 02:54.13 | DTRemenak | and j |
| 02:54.22 | bryjen | j? |
| 02:54.23 | Quol | its official - I suck at this game now :) |
| 02:54.24 | brlcad | maybe something to do with projects-that-start-with-'b' group |
| 02:54.31 | brlcad | Quol: yay |
| 02:54.33 | brlcad | let's play |
| 02:54.36 | brlcad | *ahem* |
| 02:54.39 | Quol | lol |
| 02:54.57 | brlcad | actually I suck worse than ever too, so that wouldn't be good :) |
| 02:55.01 | Quol | lots of different styles now - with more testures and such, it's nice |
| 02:55.19 | Quol | testures, textures - something like that :) |
| 02:55.55 | Quol | brlcad: I bet, I guess you haven't played much over the past year either - too much work? |
| 02:57.45 | brlcad | yeah |
| 02:59.55 | brlcad | I've only played once or twice a month since Jan, and even then never more than 30 min |
| 03:00.46 | brlcad | the release, then siggraph, reports, more releases, end of fiscal year activities |
| 03:03.37 | Quol | well - my turn to go to bed, |
| 03:03.41 | Quol | have a good night all |
| 03:03.42 | sgk284 | hey rumor has it that someone is working on putting multihunt back in, that true? |
| 03:04.03 | Tegan | ~sgk284++ |
| 03:04.05 | menotume | Quol ! |
| 03:04.12 | Quol | hey meno |
| 03:04.15 | Quol | how are ya |
| 03:04.17 | menotume | hi & g'nite :) |
| 03:04.24 | menotume | ngood thx, how is you? |
| 03:04.34 | sgk284 | haha tegan thanks:) |
| 03:04.38 | Quol | not bad thx - good to see old friends around here :) |
| 03:04.49 | sgk284 | ~Tegan++ |
| 03:04.52 | menotume | yepeprs :) |
| 03:04.58 | orange | who you callin' old? |
| 03:05.16 | menotume | you know about pics.bzleague.com, right ? |
| 03:05.21 | Quol | lol - don't worry orange: that was for meno, not you |
| 03:05.27 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:05.28 | orange | hehe |
| 03:05.54 | Quol | menotume: ya, someone showed it to me last week I think |
| 03:06.03 | menotume | okies, just making sure |
| 03:06.17 | menotume | warning: looking at orange may be hazardous to your health |
| 03:06.20 | Quol | last time I checked there was only a dozen or so pics - any more up there? |
| 03:06.26 | menotume | oh yeah |
| 03:06.29 | menotume | at least 30 |
| 03:06.52 | SportChick | meno, no leaving til you're "done" |
| 03:07.05 | menotume | 51 total pics, some dups of same person |
| 03:07.14 | SportChick | menotume, no leaving til you're "done" |
| 03:07.17 | menotume | no sleep till i'm done |
| 03:10.49 | SportChick | :) |
| 03:12.08 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 03:13.38 | Quol | a couple of more since last time...nice picks around the frag party there meno - how long ago was that? |
| 03:14.56 | menotume | hmmm, about a month i think |
| 03:15.08 | menotume | i should'a put a date on that |
| 03:15.28 | menotume | ahh, i just said aug |
| 03:15.32 | brlcad | Quol: next summer.. party up in Boston |
| 03:15.39 | menotume | yay |
| 03:16.04 | menotume | left coast gets too much action :) |
| 03:16.06 | Quol | brlcad: really, maybe I can swing that....I have friends there - so maybe I can make that as an excuse to bring my family down there :) |
| 03:16.19 | brlcad | SportChick: year after will be back in San Diego, so we can do LA again (or SanDan, whatever) :) |
| 03:16.22 | SportChick | menotume: you just don't want me there, I know you |
| 03:16.26 | menotume | you could DRIVE to Boston |
| 03:16.26 | SportChick | brlcad: cool |
| 03:16.27 | sgk284 | err... a version or two ago you could view BSP trees, was that functionality taken out of CVS ? |
| 03:16.34 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz (n=bzflagwi@12-226-166-68.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:16.46 | SportChick | menotume: yeah, if I have a week to get there and a fortune for the gas |
| 03:16.56 | menotume | nahh, i meant Quol |
| 03:16.57 | brlcad | sgk284: built debug? |
| 03:16.57 | menotume | :) |
| 03:17.10 | menotume | gas will only be $5/gallon by then :) |
| 03:17.27 | menotume | stupid 'n' key. |
| 03:17.28 | sgk284 | ahh... |
| 03:17.31 | Quol | menotume: ya, it's not too bad, should take about 7 - 10 hours |
| 03:17.33 | sgk284 | a slip up on my part |
| 03:17.35 | sgk284 | thanks:) |
| 03:18.12 | menotume | heh |
| 03:18.13 | blast007 | like walking |
| 03:18.16 | sgk284 | heh yea |
| 03:18.17 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:18.19 | sgk284 | or bike |
| 03:18.19 | Tegan | or teleporters |
| 03:18.23 | Quol | well - I have to get to bed, I am up early tomorrow.... |
| 03:18.29 | brlcad | heh, Tegan |
| 03:18.30 | sgk284 | cya quol |
| 03:18.32 | menotume | g'nite Quolman |
| 03:18.38 | brlcad | ciao |
| 03:18.40 | blast007 | or solar powered roller skates |
| 03:18.52 | Quol | g;night all...always fun talking to you all :) |
| 03:18.53 | menotume | smaller SUVs :) |
| 03:19.05 | blast007 | Small Utility Vehicles ;) |
| 03:19.11 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:19.16 | sgk284 | or virtual tanks |
| 03:19.34 | blast007 | with virtual gas, purchased with virtual money, earned at virtual jobs |
| 03:20.33 | sgk284 | segway |
| 03:20.37 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 03:20.45 | blast007 | haha, forgot about them |
| 03:20.51 | Aribeth | heh. in the country? |
| 03:20.58 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:21.16 | blast007 | they have that "offroad" one |
| 03:21.40 | Tegan | it's called a kayak |
| 03:21.53 | Tegan | or piroque |
| 03:22.00 | Aribeth | heh |
| 03:22.17 | blast007 | http://www.segway.com/segway/model_xt.html |
| 03:22.47 | blast007 | and it has a range of a whole 10 miles |
| 03:22.55 | Aribeth | still a bit hard on the knees ;) |
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| 03:24.49 | Aribeth | heh that wouldn't get me far out here |
| 03:24.53 | blast007 | http://www.rqriley.com/tri-mag.html < 50MPG |
| 03:25.17 | sgk284 | heh |
| 03:25.17 | blast007 | although, "some" assembly required ;) |
| 03:27.41 | Aribeth | dosn't say what its top speed is |
| 03:28.36 | blast007 | depends on what motorcycle you use to build it |
| 03:28.53 | Aribeth | ya |
| 03:29.04 | blast007 | but I have a card set from like 1984 with that car in it, and it says 113MPH iirc |
| 03:29.46 | Aribeth | duno how it would handle on country roads |
| 03:29.53 | orange | that's "scale" speed |
| 03:30.02 | orange | real speed would be like 1/3 of that :-) |
| 03:30.51 | Aribeth | hi orange |
| 03:30.53 | blast007 | someone even rigged up the windshield with a cadillac trunk release, so that they could open it with a remote ;) |
| 03:31.34 | brlcad | cool |
| 03:31.47 | orange | hello aribeth |
| 03:32.26 | Aribeth | it would just be too small for me |
| 03:33.08 | menotume | cool, now 'U' doesn't work :) |
| 03:33.17 | menotume | progress :) |
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| 03:45.38 | Aribeth | ahi |
| 03:45.54 | Aribeth | oops, wrong window |
| 03:50.38 | menotume | SportChick: http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/allhunt.png |
| 03:51.04 | SportChick | menotume: they never have |
| 03:51.17 | SportChick | hehe |
| 03:51.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: display the zbuffer depth with one -d |
| 03:51.28 | trepan | JeffM2501: on linux/SDL, I get 24 bits without using forceDepthBits |
| 03:51.42 | menotume | I'm gonna try to get hunt toggling in |
| 03:52.51 | brlcad | woo hoo! |
| 03:53.07 | brlcad | parser now reads in and correctly parses all of hix.bzw |
| 03:54.13 | SportChick | meno! cool!!! |
| 03:55.28 | brlcad | hix map has 957 numbers in it, 731 keywords, 1 id, and 81 comments :) |
| 03:55.37 | brlcad | er 82 comments.. |
| 03:57.27 | brlcad | it is too early, but I think i might bike in tomorrow |
| 03:58.58 | learner | hehe, and I just had a big glass of OJ :) |
| 03:59.33 | SportChick | so, question - for tomorrow's release is the pz/pause bug/issue going to be fixed? |
| 04:01.07 | PKMOBILE | i imagine biking would actually be kind of fun around where you work learner :-P |
| 04:01.29 | SportChick | yay! someone else on their phone on irc! |
| 04:01.46 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, umm I dono, did somone fix it? |
| 04:01.56 | SportChick | JeffM2501: that's my question |
| 04:02.03 | JeffM2501 | does anyone know ofit? |
| 04:02.06 | SportChick | do you need a quick descrip of the bug |
| 04:02.09 | JeffM2501 | was it reported? |
| 04:02.15 | SportChick | not sure |
| 04:02.17 | JeffM2501 | ohh it's that uber rare one |
| 04:02.19 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 04:02.32 | SportChick | not rare at all - it's being used as a cheat lately |
| 04:02.45 | JeffM2501 | how long has it been in game? |
| 04:03.00 | JeffM2501 | describe it |
| 04:03.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm drunk engought to fix ANYTHING ;) |
| 04:03.10 | SportChick | someone grabs pz, gets zoned, drives up to a gm or L or whatever and pauses and then flag drops, they unpause and shoot the gm or L or whatever player they want |
| 04:03.25 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 04:03.35 | JeffM2501 | do they stay PZ when they drop? |
| 04:03.35 | learner | heh |
| 04:03.43 | JeffM2501 | or do they go "normal" ? |
| 04:03.50 | SportChick | they go normal |
| 04:04.04 | SportChick | it's a way to unzone without going through a teep |
| 04:04.11 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 04:04.19 | JeffM2501 | that's more like a design flaw |
| 04:04.30 | learner | or a feature |
| 04:04.31 | JeffM2501 | not sure what can be done |
| 04:04.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:04.42 | JeffM2501 | and you can't kill them cus they are puased right? |
| 04:04.44 | SportChick | the question is, can it be recoded so that if the player has pz and pauses, the flag doesn't drop |
| 04:04.56 | SportChick | ANd you can't kill them cuz they were zoned when they drove up next to you |
| 04:04.58 | blast007 | maybe make they blow up when it drops |
| 04:05.04 | JeffM2501 | the flag drop is probably client side |
| 04:05.06 | SportChick | blast, that would be good |
| 04:05.12 | learner | SportChick then you could have n players hoarde all the pz flags |
| 04:05.24 | JeffM2501 | I think the only thing we CAN do is kill em |
| 04:05.27 | learner | or just disallow pausing while zoned |
| 04:05.36 | JeffM2501 | but old clients would still allow it |
| 04:05.38 | learner | do it for jumping/dropping, why not zoning |
| 04:05.38 | SportChick | either would fix the problem |
| 04:05.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx bzflag/bzflag.cxx common/cURLManager.cxx): format the initial bzflag debug info |
| 04:05.48 | menotume | unzone if they pause ? |
| 04:05.56 | SportChick | yes, but EVENTUALLY you're gonna go off on a nice little branch and they'll have to upgrade |
| 04:06.02 | blast007 | menotume: still doesn't fix it |
| 04:06.15 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, then why not fix it in 2.1 when they have to upgrade |
| 04:06.24 | menotume | oic |
| 04:06.29 | SportChick | cuz it's a problem NOW :) |
| 04:06.37 | JeffM2501 | and it is STILL going to be a problem |
| 04:06.38 | SportChick | not a feature - a problem |
| 04:06.42 | learner | is it really that big a problem?? |
| 04:06.43 | JeffM2501 | cheaters just won't upgrade |
| 04:06.51 | JeffM2501 | or they will hack out the client check |
| 04:06.54 | blast007 | can't it be done server side? |
| 04:06.58 | blast007 | (the blowing up) |
| 04:07.03 | SportChick | only for the losers who don't upgrade - we have been known to force tohers to upgrade to play on our server - we did it with the slot 0 bug |
| 04:07.03 | learner | theyre totally vulnerable to getting killed after they pause |
| 04:07.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah but then we have a pause that kills |
| 04:07.31 | JeffM2501 | and the user may not know that they are to die |
| 04:07.36 | JeffM2501 | let me see what we do |
| 04:07.59 | SportChick | ok |
| 04:08.37 | menotume | i would vote... no pause if they have pz |
| 04:08.47 | menotume | if they REALLY have to pause, they can drop it |
| 04:08.48 | blast007 | could send them a warning about the "instability of improper unzonings" ;) |
| 04:09.17 | JeffM2501 | I don't need to rationalise it, I need to understand what we can and can't do in a compatable version |
| 04:09.45 | menotume | how often is pause really needed anyway ? |
| 04:09.58 | SportChick | JeffM2501: learner told me that the flag-drop is initiated by either client or server? |
| 04:10.09 | JeffM2501 | it CAN be done by client or server |
| 04:10.12 | JeffM2501 | in this case it is client |
| 04:10.21 | JeffM2501 | I can stop the pause |
| 04:10.27 | JeffM2501 | but old clients will do the same thing |
| 04:10.34 | JeffM2501 | there is no way to "fix" old clients |
| 04:10.36 | menotume | ahh |
| 04:10.42 | JeffM2501 | I won't put in a "fix" that kills |
| 04:10.54 | SportChick | JeffM2501: that would be fine. let's fix the new one and we'll force cheaters to upgrade |
| 04:10.57 | JeffM2501 | I may be able to respawn them |
| 04:10.59 | JeffM2501 | let me see |
| 04:11.14 | blast007 | ah |
| 04:11.25 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, to think that forcing them to upgrade will fix it, is nieve |
| 04:11.31 | JeffM2501 | they will hack out my small change |
| 04:11.42 | JeffM2501 | the only reason it is popular now is because it is known. |
| 04:11.44 | SportChick | naive? me? |
| 04:11.50 | menotume | or, drop the flag as soon as they hit 'p', before the 3-second timeout ? |
| 04:11.52 | JeffM2501 | now that they know, they will make it work |
| 04:12.25 | JeffM2501 | again, old clients will not change |
| 04:12.55 | menotume | i need a rum&coke. |
| 04:13.00 | JeffM2501 | don't think I can respawn them with out killing them first |
| 04:13.06 | learner | don't force clients to upgrade just for that, it's _really_ silly |
| 04:13.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:13.16 | SportChick | JeffM2501: if you don't mind, it would be great if you'd just fix this new one so that zoned pz can't pause. that's a perfect fix as far as I'm concerned |
| 04:13.18 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, can the server track that status of PZ tanks? if they are ghosted, ignore drops? |
| 04:13.23 | SportChick | no, that wouldn't be the sole reason for hte upgrad |
| 04:13.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to stop the pause, we have other cases that don't allow pause |
| 04:13.36 | JeffM2501 | it'll stop the people who don't know |
| 04:13.41 | JeffM2501 | but you won't get cheaters |
| 04:13.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: do for phantom zone drivers what is done while falling or otherwise in the air, in buildings or in other situations where pausing can cause bad things to happen. |
| 04:13.52 | learner | it'll stop the players that really just like to play more than anything |
| 04:14.02 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, then the client and server are out of sync |
| 04:14.19 | learner | that pretty much goes for anytime you try to force the players to upgrade when it's not a protocol breaker |
| 04:14.25 | JeffM2501 | orlearner can fix it :) |
| 04:14.30 | blast007 | can't you just send the client a MsgAlive? |
| 04:14.30 | sgk284 | heh |
| 04:14.43 | menotume | na, learner is too slow :) |
| 04:14.45 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, kill the tank that tried dropping it :) |
| 04:14.48 | JeffM2501 | blast007, no, it dosn't work well when you are allready alive :) |
| 04:14.57 | JeffM2501 | sgk284, no we arn't killing pausers |
| 04:15.01 | JeffM2501 | that screws up score |
| 04:15.12 | learner | and is rather unexpected |
| 04:15.15 | JeffM2501 | in 2.1.x we can make pausers go to observer |
| 04:15.17 | sgk284 | fair enough:) |
| 04:15.19 | learner | they did, after all, just want to pause |
| 04:15.22 | learner | maybe they had to pee |
| 04:15.23 | JeffM2501 | then when they unpause they will respawn |
| 04:15.26 | menotume | i've got it! take out pause altogether |
| 04:15.32 | JeffM2501 | pause is valid |
| 04:15.34 | sgk284 | heh |
| 04:15.36 | JeffM2501 | they just need to leave the gamestate |
| 04:15.37 | menotume | if you really have to pause, just die |
| 04:15.46 | JeffM2501 | again we can't change old clients |
| 04:15.54 | menotume | hehe |
| 04:16.03 | trepan | observer? ... the screen should go blank while paused |
| 04:16.04 | JeffM2501 | so we'll bump em to a temp observer |
| 04:16.09 | sgk284 | menotume, that would be a protocol breaker, and if you break protocol i'd imagine there are beter fixes:) |
| 04:16.15 | JeffM2501 | ok a fixed observer |
| 04:16.20 | menotume | err, why would it ? |
| 04:16.22 | JeffM2501 | the point is, remove them form the gamestate |
| 04:16.28 | JeffM2501 | then respawn them when they come back |
| 04:16.37 | JeffM2501 | with a countdown on both ends |
| 04:16.54 | JeffM2501 | then if you really have to pee, you loose time, but don't screw anyone up |
| 04:17.15 | JeffM2501 | and if the timer is long enough it's not usefull in combat |
| 04:17.27 | menotume | let em die i say :) |
| 04:17.28 | JeffM2501 | can even put a limit on pauses in an hour |
| 04:17.42 | menotume | ahh, yes... 2 peebreaks per hour |
| 04:17.42 | JeffM2501 | menotume, you can't punish players who just want to use a feature. |
| 04:17.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah something like that |
| 04:17.54 | JeffM2501 | if you need more logoff |
| 04:18.07 | JeffM2501 | when you respawn you will be told how many you have left |
| 04:18.07 | menotume | or, just die! and don't respawn |
| 04:18.19 | menotume | just walk away without pausing |
| 04:18.21 | SportChick | JeffM2501: are you talking about that change for all pauses? it sounds like a good idea, actually, but much more complicated than the temp fix for the pz/pause bug |
| 04:18.59 | JeffM2501 | yes all pauses |
| 04:19.01 | JeffM2501 | and all NRs |
| 04:19.15 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, that's why I said in 2.1.x |
| 04:19.31 | JeffM2501 | and learner has allrady made it so you can't pause while zoned |
| 04:19.38 | JeffM2501 | that's all we can realy do in this version |
| 04:19.42 | learner | that could be wierd for some maps/gamestyles |
| 04:19.51 | SportChick | so iiuc, then the pause would be one where they would go to an observer-like state and then when unpause, they spawn anew? |
| 04:19.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:20.04 | SportChick | JeffM2501: okay thanks for the clarification |
| 04:20.04 | JeffM2501 | after a timer on each end |
| 04:20.08 | menotume | personally, i never pause. if i have a problem, i just walk away ... someone will shoot me, but i don't respawn |
| 04:20.11 | JeffM2501 | 3 secs to pause |
| 04:20.12 | learner | i'd just keep preventing pause when it doesn't make sense to allow it, that's common enough in games |
| 04:20.14 | JeffM2501 | 10 to return |
| 04:20.19 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I liike that and I like the pauses limits too |
| 04:20.27 | JeffM2501 | same for NR |
| 04:20.29 | SportChick | JeffM2501: will it be a server setting? |
| 04:20.33 | JeffM2501 | I'd think so |
| 04:20.40 | learner | yeah, as a setting, that'd work |
| 04:20.42 | SportChick | ~learner++ |
| 04:20.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm just pulling outa my butt as type :) |
| 04:20.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:20.48 | SportChick | learner: thanks for adding my temp fix |
| 04:20.48 | JeffM2501 | have some defaults |
| 04:20.51 | JeffM2501 | then let em overide it |
| 04:20.56 | SportChick | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 04:21.05 | blast007 | so the main reason to bump to observer is so they don't take up a team slot? |
| 04:21.18 | JeffM2501 | no so they arn't a freaking obstacle in the world :) |
| 04:21.19 | SportChick | I see it as a good way to fix a lot of problems |
| 04:21.27 | JeffM2501 | it takes them out of the game |
| 04:21.32 | JeffM2501 | in a high level state |
| 04:21.32 | learner | SportChick, for anyone bold enough, all the pause-preventers are in the client so cheat clients could trivially override them |
| 04:21.37 | SportChick | how will it affect teams etc |
| 04:21.38 | JeffM2501 | like sideline in football |
| 04:21.39 | learner | it's always been that way |
| 04:21.47 | JeffM2501 | they would still have a placeholder on the team |
| 04:21.54 | JeffM2501 | it'd be a "special" observer |
| 04:21.55 | SportChick | learner: yeah, but then it would be pretty obvious and we'd just ban outright |
| 04:21.59 | blast007 | k |
| 04:22.27 | learner | not necessarily -- they could be running a former client.. :P |
| 04:22.29 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, don't be too ban happy, they could have old client |
| 04:22.36 | SportChick | so what's the interaction between server-side and client side when a pause is initiated? |
| 04:22.47 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, the client says "I paused" |
| 04:22.48 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 04:22.50 | menotume | if it becomes soo complicated |
| 04:22.51 | SportChick | JeffM2501: you're talking about a branch - that would mean they'd have to upgrade |
| 04:22.56 | JeffM2501 | the server say "oh wow you paused" |
| 04:22.57 | trepan | JeffM2501: on windows, what do you get for bitplanes (using -d) without forceDepthBits? |
| 04:23.06 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, *sigh* I'm talking about the next major |
| 04:23.08 | trepan | (curious as to the difference in platform code) |
| 04:23.10 | JeffM2501 | so it's not a branch |
| 04:23.16 | SportChick | ok |
| 04:23.20 | JeffM2501 | trepan, let me check |
| 04:23.31 | learner | menotume, it's not too complicated -- the code for pausing is pretty simple -- it's just an "ask N people, get N ideas" discussion :) |
| 04:23.34 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, like how 2.0 was to 1.10 |
| 04:23.43 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, your overthinking it |
| 04:23.47 | SportChick | okay, that's what I meant when I said branch |
| 04:24.04 | JeffM2501 | it's none of those |
| 04:24.05 | menotume | okies, but pause is just abused sometimes anyuway IMO |
| 04:24.11 | JeffM2501 | it's just the next major version |
| 04:24.13 | JeffM2501 | same tree |
| 04:24.14 | JeffM2501 | same line |
| 04:24.17 | JeffM2501 | just in the future |
| 04:24.23 | menotume | i mean, if you really have to pee, you die once - so what ? :) |
| 04:24.23 | JeffM2501 | nothing is coded now, or being coded now |
| 04:24.25 | SportChick | JeffM2501: understood |
| 04:24.39 | JeffM2501 | menotume, then don't use the pause :) |
| 04:24.45 | menotume | i don't :) |
| 04:24.52 | JeffM2501 | then no problem :) |
| 04:24.55 | SportChick | but back to my probing - if the client says "Im paused" then a hack would be to find a way to pause without telling server? |
| 04:25.08 | menotume | pause-abuser ! :) |
| 04:25.23 | blast007 | SportChick: the client wouldn't even have to do that |
| 04:25.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:25.36 | JeffM2501 | the server does NOTHING on a pause |
| 04:25.40 | blast007 | they could make it pause at any time, and the server would be like "oh, ok, sure" |
| 04:25.41 | JeffM2501 | it just tells everyone else |
| 04:25.47 | SportChick | oh it is all client side? |
| 04:25.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 04:25.57 | SportChick | what initiates the flag drop? client? |
| 04:25.57 | JeffM2501 | that's why we keep saing "client side" |
| 04:26.02 | JeffM2501 | YES |
| 04:26.04 | learner | actually the server sets a paused state and relays pause info to other players |
| 04:26.06 | SportChick | ok |
| 04:26.11 | learner | not that it helps any |
| 04:26.12 | JeffM2501 | the drop is client |
| 04:26.16 | SportChick | please don't yell - I'm just trying to understand |
| 04:26.19 | JeffM2501 | that's why we can't fix old ones :) |
| 04:26.29 | JeffM2501 | just read for me, I know your smart :) |
| 04:26.30 | SportChick | yes, I heard that before |
| 04:26.37 | SportChick | I'm looking at your new ideas, now |
| 04:26.58 | JeffM2501 | the new idea is a pipe dream for next minor |
| 04:27.09 | JeffM2501 | we'd have to get 2.04 out first |
| 04:27.32 | JeffM2501 | trepan, building debug now |
| 04:27.56 | JeffM2501 | where do we check depth bits? |
| 04:28.43 | trepan | just added it to cvs, use a -d one the command line |
| 04:28.50 | trepan | s/one// |
| 04:28.53 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 04:29.06 | JeffM2501 | wait that's std out? |
| 04:29.26 | blast007 | might have to redirect to a file if so |
| 04:29.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah we don't get std out as normal :) |
| 04:29.42 | JeffM2501 | I can fake it |
| 04:29.55 | trepan | ya, stdout. you don't get it on a console? |
| 04:30.00 | blast007 | nope |
| 04:30.03 | JeffM2501 | not in a windows ap |
| 04:30.05 | JeffM2501 | god no |
| 04:30.12 | JeffM2501 | why would a windows app have a console? |
| 04:30.19 | JeffM2501 | it's got a winmain, not a main |
| 04:30.46 | JeffM2501 | windows is not unix |
| 04:31.15 | JeffM2501 | I can get it tho |
| 04:31.20 | JeffM2501 | I just have to run from a term |
| 04:31.44 | trepan | that's right, i always use to write windows gl code as console for that very reason |
| 04:31.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah and your end users were like "what is this black box?" |
| 04:32.21 | JeffM2501 | just a difrent way to do it |
| 04:32.38 | trepan | nope, mostly fullscreen, so no real difc |
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| 04:32.51 | JeffM2501 | trepan, you assume one display :) |
| 04:33.46 | trepan | heh, did the barely minimum in that os, makes my skin crawl |
| 04:33.48 | TimRiker | know any multi-head hardware gl setups? |
| 04:33.50 | TimRiker | I was just fighting with that on this thinkpad. |
| 04:33.57 | JeffM2501 | any card with GL |
| 04:34.02 | JeffM2501 | sorry any nvidia card |
| 04:34.05 | JeffM2501 | or card set |
| 04:34.19 | TimRiker | the radeon knows there is no external head, so it disables it, then proceeds to tell me that it can't do GL cause it has more than one head enabled. =( |
| 04:34.33 | JeffM2501 | that woudl be the joy of ATI |
| 04:34.39 | TimRiker | well.. can't do dri... |
| 04:34.50 | JeffM2501 | what ATI chipset? |
| 04:34.51 | trepan | TimRiker: you still have the ground rendering bug in enhanced mode? |
| 04:35.18 | TimRiker | trepan: don't know. have not checked on that machine. I upgraded the machine to xorg, so it may have changed. |
| 04:35.39 | TimRiker | it's actually building now. |
| 04:36.00 | TimRiker | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 04:36.09 | JeffM2501 | ahh so your on DRI |
| 04:36.10 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: that was for you. the thinkpad. |
| 04:36.24 | JeffM2501 | dono how DRI handles it, sorry |
| 04:36.26 | trepan | TimRiker: there's was also a problem with the normals, i'm hoping that that helped |
| 04:36.51 | TimRiker | I'll check in a while when the build finishes. |
| 04:37.14 | JeffM2501 | under nvidia, you define all the possible meta mode resoultions in sets per screen |
| 04:37.33 | JeffM2501 | so you 'd have one mode for no external, that just did your internal display, and then X knows it's cool to do GL |
| 04:37.59 | JeffM2501 | I thought I read that the real ATI drivers had similar functionality |
| 04:38.06 | JeffM2501 | tho it was rather recent |
| 04:38.16 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: if I start X with a single head layout, dri works fine. so I have been starting a second X to run bzflag on. |
| 04:38.50 | TimRiker | same config, I just pick the alternative layout on the X command line. |
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| 04:39.02 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, ewww |
| 04:39.07 | JeffM2501 | now that is a hack |
| 04:39.11 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 04:39.14 | JeffM2501 | but if it works |
| 04:39.29 | TimRiker | my point is that the driver already knows that I'm not in multi-head now (no external monitor) so it should allow dri. |
| 04:39.49 | JeffM2501 | DRI may not know |
| 04:40.10 | TimRiker | sombody should learn it real good. |
| 04:41.05 | JeffM2501 | patches welcome |
| 04:41.08 | JeffM2501 | that one is open source |
| 04:41.18 | JeffM2501 | probalby the last chipset you could write for :) |
| 04:41.31 | JeffM2501 | since the 8k's can use the ATI drivers |
| 04:43.48 | TimRiker | =) |
| 04:44.02 | JeffM2501 | trepan, where do you wite it, std out's not outing |
| 04:45.17 | JeffM2501 | found it |
| 04:45.34 | JeffM2501 | with nothing I get a 24 |
| 04:47.36 | trepan | and with forceDepthBits set to 32? |
| 04:47.41 | JeffM2501 | 32 |
| 04:49.39 | JeffM2501 | may need a quadro to do 64 |
| 04:52.56 | JeffM2501 | ummm... is legolas like owner of guleauge? |
| 04:55.04 | JeffM2501 | he's asking for groups |
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| 05:10.27 | menotume | no, he is not |
| 05:11.22 | menotume | JeffM2501: GSL is the only one who USES gu.league group (server owner) |
| 05:11.37 | JeffM2501 | that's what I thought |
| 05:11.42 | menotume | QuantumDot & I are the only ones with access to add/remove players to the group |
| 05:11.43 | JeffM2501 | I posted a responce saying that |
| 05:11.56 | JeffM2501 | you may want to look into why he's asking |
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| 05:15.09 | sgk284 | ugh... everytime i use ctrl-x in XChat it closes on me :( |
| 05:20.20 | PKMOBILE | pretty sure thats a common feature across a lot of programs... |
| 05:27.33 | menotume | ALERT, ALERT, ALERT: Tim is playing bzfalag !!!!! |
| 05:29.58 | sgk284 | what server? |
| 05:31.22 | TimRiker | trepan: you lookin' for me? |
| 05:31.37 | TimRiker | ~backwards |
| 05:31.38 | ibot | Did you know, Ctrl-Q makes your text go backwards in many IRC clients? You might be able to read this: .stneilc tsom sesolc tsuj siht esruoc fO |
| 05:32.06 | TimRiker | menotume: well, playing would be a strong word. I got kicked for being idle. ;-) |
| 05:32.12 | trepan | TimRiker: nope |
| 05:32.22 | menotume | :) |
| 05:32.31 | TimRiker | trepan: k |
| 05:32.32 | trepan | except maybe to hear if the ground bug is still there |
| 05:32.43 | TimRiker | ah yeah. /me goes to test that... |
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| 05:56.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: more GL info, and now that we've got /localset... |
| 05:57.10 | trepan | a special black and white map with all rogues would much nicer for anaglyph mode |
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| 06:02.51 | TimRiker | trepan: no change. high works, experimental does not for 1/2 the map. |
| 06:03.28 | TimRiker | trepan: ooh. that might be cool. |
| 06:06.17 | trepan | oh well, was hoping it'd be fixed |
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| 06:27.07 | TimRiker | yep. me too. still not a biggie, high works fine, or at least acceptably. |
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| 06:33.47 | TimRiker | really? world extent[0] = 340282346638528859811704183484516925440.000000, -340282346638528859811704183484516925440.000000 |
| 06:36.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Implement multiple-player hunt. |
| 06:36.49 | menotume | I'm sure there's at least one bug in that, any testers would be appreciated |
| 06:38.02 | Tupone | menotume: hi |
| 06:38.06 | menotume | hellos |
| 06:38.20 | menotume | good morning (UGT) |
| 06:38.38 | Tupone | I was looking at countdown. Probably I just did not understand a lot from that :( |
| 06:39.10 | Tupone | when you pause and countdown is already started, seems the routine exit sending a message to the client. No ? |
| 06:39.40 | Tupone | the return is just before doing anything |
| 06:39.44 | menotume | i have no idea :) |
| 06:40.03 | menotume | i haven't looked at it |
| 06:40.05 | Tupone | you did not receive any text message when you paused ? |
| 06:40.12 | menotume | yes. |
| 06:40.17 | menotume | it said game paused |
| 06:40.26 | menotume | and the timer stopped on my client |
| 06:40.43 | Tupone | There is a countdown already in progress ??? |
| 06:40.46 | menotume | but, 2 mins (or so) later, the game ended |
| 06:40.57 | menotume | yes, we were 28 mins into a match |
| 06:41.03 | menotume | i did /countdown pause |
| 06:41.09 | Tupone | "There is a countdown already in progress" ??? |
| 06:41.23 | menotume | no |
| 06:41.38 | menotume | well, wait :) |
| 06:41.51 | menotume | 1) I did /countdown (the match started) |
| 06:42.04 | menotume | 2) 28 minutes into the match, i did: /countdown pause |
| 06:42.22 | menotume | it said: countdown paused by menotume (all clients stopped counting down) |
| 06:42.37 | menotume | I never did a /countdown resume |
| 06:42.45 | menotume | but, 2 mins later the game ended :) |
| 06:43.13 | menotume | how does the client know that a countdown is paused ? |
| 06:43.13 | Tupone | and your was a 30 minute game |
| 06:43.17 | menotume | yes |
| 06:43.50 | menotume | i haven't had time to test it |
| 06:43.58 | menotume | been doing multi-hunt |
| 06:44.03 | menotume | and playing matches :) |
| 06:44.18 | Tupone | you win or loose ? |
| 06:44.21 | menotume | yes |
| 06:44.27 | menotume | :) |
| 06:44.29 | Tupone | both ? |
| 06:44.29 | menotume | some of each |
| 06:45.07 | Tupone | I will look at the code this night ... cya |
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| 06:56.39 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all! |
| 06:57.23 | menotume | hi LePoulpe303 |
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| 07:59.31 | menotume | any1 awake ? |
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| 07:59.42 | menotume | I need someone for 1 minute for a test |
| 08:01.08 | meacan | sure |
| 08:01.16 | menotume | ahh, hi :) |
| 08:01.21 | meacan | morning :) |
| 08:01.33 | menotume | bzflag.no-ip.com:5156 (join as green please) |
| 08:01.38 | meacan | do i need to go fetch the latest cvs? |
| 08:01.41 | menotume | nope |
| 08:01.45 | menotume | any client will do |
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| 08:20.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (4 files): Make hunt sound affects more consistant. |
| 08:21.07 | menotume | effects, not affects !! |
| 08:23.06 | TimRiker | does that affect your effects? |
| 08:23.20 | menotume | hehe |
| 08:24.20 | menotume | TimRiker: are you ok? up very late, playing bzflag ... |
| 08:44.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: hack to get the Hunt-> string dimmed |
| 08:44.56 | TimRiker | heh. I keep thinking I need to go to bed. |
| 08:45.17 | trepan | the dimming setup is junk |
| 08:48.11 | menotume | :) |
| 08:48.20 | menotume | i was looking for blink for that selector |
| 08:49.48 | trepan | heh, that works out then |
| 08:50.19 | menotume | dim? |
| 08:50.25 | menotume | when does it dim it ? |
| 08:50.35 | menotume | (i just tried it) |
| 08:51.08 | trepan | when the menu is up it's supposed to be dimmed |
| 08:51.16 | menotume | ohhh, right |
| 08:52.08 | menotume | have you tried the multi-hunt? |
| 08:52.42 | trepan | yup, you should use the config upgrade feature to add in a key binding |
| 08:53.19 | menotume | ahh, dunno about that one :) |
| 08:53.26 | menotume | i was wondering about that |
| 08:53.26 | trepan | both -> and Hunt-> ? |
| 08:53.37 | menotume | no, just the -> |
| 08:53.45 | menotume | when slecting someone to add/remove |
| 08:53.59 | menotume | the "@>" looks funky |
| 08:55.00 | trepan | blinking for @> too? |
| 08:55.09 | menotume | yes, just that actually |
| 08:55.30 | trepan | -> and @> to blink then? |
| 08:55.33 | menotume | for example, if you have someone selected already, and press '7', scroll thru the list |
| 08:55.44 | menotume | well, yes :) |
| 08:55.57 | menotume | in that case, the @> cound just be -> |
| 08:56.19 | menotume | i just needed something that looked different, so you could see if if you selected someone that was already on hunt |
| 08:56.46 | trepan | and, that's all you want the blinking for... the @> or >> or something is prolly better |
| 08:56.53 | trepan | the pulsating isn't as noticeable |
| 08:57.00 | menotume | i did a "grep -i blink *.cxx" in the bzfs dir and didn't find anyhting :) |
| 08:57.34 | menotume | err, bzflag dir |
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| 08:58.08 | menotume | ahhhh, ColorStrings[PulsatingColor] :) |
| 08:58.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: pulsate -> and @> |
| 08:58.31 | menotume | heh :) |
| 08:59.46 | menotume | yes, that's good, thx |
| 09:00.43 | menotume | where do i look for the "config upgrade feature" ? |
| 09:01.44 | trepan | clientConfig.cxx/updateConfigFile() |
| 09:02.16 | menotume | ahh |
| 09:03.59 | Pimpinella | seems i missed something, what is multihunt, @> and config upgrade? |
| 09:05.36 | menotume | just geek-talk :) |
| 09:06.01 | menotume | that config upgrade is scary ... seems it hasn't been used in a while |
| 09:08.49 | trepan | cowards die a thousand deaths ;) |
| 09:10.09 | menotume | hehe |
| 09:10.12 | menotume | but, but |
| 09:10.40 | menotume | was'nt all the controlpanel tabs stuff in 2.0.0 ? |
| 09:10.57 | menotume | it doesn't make sense to me |
| 09:12.29 | menotume | ahh, i think i see |
| 09:12.43 | menotume | i'll give it a whirl, it's only 5:15 am :) |
| 09:15.24 | menotume | nope, that switch doesn't make sense |
| 09:16.15 | menotume | it needs to be if (version < something), not if version is something |
| 09:18.13 | trepan | it's a fallthru switch |
| 09:19.03 | menotume | yes |
| 09:19.20 | menotume | but, current version is 2 in your config file |
| 09:19.37 | menotume | so, i can make it work for version 2 |
| 09:20.10 | menotume | oh, nvm :) |
| 09:20.14 | menotume | hehe |
| 09:20.39 | menotume | no, i'm right :) |
| 09:20.52 | menotume | it's borked |
| 09:23.51 | LePoulpe303 | pleasepleaseplease anyone uses wincvs ? |
| 09:24.24 | vittorio | LePoulpe303, long time ago |
| 09:24.40 | LePoulpe303 | i'm becoming crazy ; i'll steal a real tank and try real rico on the walls here |
| 09:24.58 | menotume | trepan, i got it to work. but it will only update the config if you are currently v2 |
| 09:24.58 | Pimpinella | could be interesting... |
| 09:25.24 | menotume | that switch statement is borked, i'm convinced |
| 09:25.57 | Pimpinella | LePoulpe303: probably anyone of us unix folks can help you? |
| 09:26.35 | LePoulpe303 | Pimpinella : i think i'll try command line cvs because i don't know what gui does behind exactly |
| 09:26.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (include/version.h src/bzflag/clientConfig.cxx): Upgrade config file for new key binding. |
| 09:28.01 | Pimpinella | commandline cvs? |
| 09:28.08 | LePoulpe303 | Pimpinella : i keep having No CVS ROOT specified message; i've done everything i have to do ; followed sourceforge tuto |
| 09:28.29 | menotume | cd to the dev tree :) |
| 09:28.44 | LePoulpe303 | wincvs is gui frontend to cvs |
| 09:28.53 | LePoulpe303 | no cd , set or other commands |
| 09:29.26 | Pimpinella | ah, well. don't use guis |
| 09:29.30 | LePoulpe303 | :D |
| 09:29.42 | LePoulpe303 | don't want to start alod debates |
| 09:29.47 | LePoulpe303 | old |
| 09:29.50 | LePoulpe303 | debates |
| 09:32.02 | LePoulpe303 | if you allow me, i'll store that in the box with : don't use cars, use bicycles, don't use calculator, use your brain, don't use clothes , stay naked, etc |
| 09:32.11 | trepan | menotume: you need to bump BZ_CONFIG_FILE_VERSION in include/version.h |
| 09:32.24 | trepan | oops, already did, my bad ;) |
| 09:32.53 | trepan | (that'll teach me for doing local cvs ups) |
| 09:33.10 | menotume | :) |
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| 09:44.14 | Pimpinella | i like the plugin thing, but those &%§#? reguar changes to bzfsAPI.h make me *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep* |
| 09:44.39 | Pimpinella | i need a faster computer |
| 09:44.43 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 09:48.28 | Pimpinella | or i should start making automated nightly builds |
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| 10:14.48 | Ice_Wewe | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 10:14.48 | Ice_Wewe | can't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv24277 |
| 10:14.49 | Ice_Wewe | Too many links |
| 10:14.58 | Ice_Wewe | whats wrong? |
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| 10:30.06 | Pimpinella | same here |
| 10:30.47 | Pimpinella | i'd suspect a borked pserver configuration |
| 10:31.28 | Pimpinella | waiting a lil might fix it |
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| 15:25.17 | uso | what's the difference between the key bindings in the config file for up and down |
| 15:25.24 | uso | are they both needed? |
| 15:26.59 | TheRedBaron | yes |
| 15:27.29 | uso | :) |
| 15:27.50 | TheRedBaron | it won't work without those two diffinitions |
| 15:27.51 | TheRedBaron | ie |
| 15:27.56 | TheRedBaron | bind q down fire |
| 15:27.59 | uso | but for some keys there are only bindings with down |
| 15:28.01 | TheRedBaron | bind q up fire |
| 15:28.05 | TheRedBaron | that maps q to fire |
| 15:28.43 | TheRedBaron | example? |
| 15:29.57 | uso | so what's the difference between keys only bind to down and those are bind to both, down and up? |
| 15:30.10 | uso | most of the keys like flag toggles |
| 15:30.27 | uso | *bound |
| 15:31.08 | TheRedBaron | let me check my config |
| 15:32.11 | TheRedBaron | ok let me back track |
| 15:32.57 | TheRedBaron | I don't know the "why" to your question |
| 15:33.00 | TheRedBaron | i just know the "how to make it work" |
| 15:33.10 | uso | ok :) |
| 15:33.14 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 15:33.26 | uso | so it's safe to bind all keys to both, down and up? |
| 15:33.33 | TheRedBaron | so if you need help mapping keys or something i can help. |
| 15:33.44 | TheRedBaron | if you want to know why... ask a dev :) |
| 15:33.55 | TheRedBaron | what action are you trying to accomplish? |
| 15:34.47 | uso | i was just wondering as i have problems to make my fire keys work if i hold tab |
| 15:35.03 | uso | sometimes i only got one shot instead of 3 ;) |
| 15:35.21 | TheRedBaron | ah |
| 15:35.23 | TheRedBaron | i can help |
| 15:36.07 | TheRedBaron | the problem there, is a conflict of messages. If you hold down tab, you can't press any other buttons. |
| 15:36.35 | TheRedBaron | also, if you are trying to get 3 shots in a nice spread i do NOT reccomend holding down a button. |
| 15:36.44 | uso | hmm |
| 15:36.55 | TheRedBaron | you will get an immediate 1 shot. the a split second later, the other 2 shots will follow, |
| 15:37.12 | TheRedBaron | and yes, you do need to have a "bind tab down fire |
| 15:37.18 | TheRedBaron | and bind tab up fire |
| 15:37.22 | uso | so jumping from a box, fireing and immediatly jumping again needs a really good timing :) |
| 15:37.34 | TheRedBaron | what is your jump button? |
| 15:37.43 | uso | tab is jump, qwe fire |
| 15:37.51 | TheRedBaron | that is good. |
| 15:38.06 | TheRedBaron | you cant have tab mapped to fire and jump. |
| 15:38.13 | TheRedBaron | just won't work. |
| 15:38.18 | uso | tab was bound to down and up, but only one of the fire buttons were bound to up too |
| 15:38.36 | uso | no, tab is only bound to jump |
| 15:38.41 | TheRedBaron | which one? |
| 15:38.49 | uso | q, w and e are bound to fire |
| 15:39.00 | TheRedBaron | yes same here with my config |
| 15:39.05 | TheRedBaron | but you need a |
| 15:39.10 | TheRedBaron | bind up, and bind down |
| 15:39.30 | uso | i have it now, will test if it works better :) |
| 15:39.49 | uso | that was where my question came from |
| 15:40.37 | TheRedBaron | ah ok |
| 15:40.40 | TheRedBaron | it works great for me |
| 15:40.52 | TheRedBaron | i move my left hand down 1 row for when i jump |
| 15:41.05 | TheRedBaron | pinky on tab, the other fingers on my 3 fire keys. |
| 15:41.12 | TheRedBaron | makes for a great follow up. |
| 15:41.48 | uso | as the original config does not have up bindings for all keys |
| 15:41.57 | uso | move down one row? |
| 15:42.12 | TheRedBaron | from my radar keys, where my fingers usually reside |
| 15:42.17 | uso | where do you have it |
| 15:42.20 | uso | ahh :) |
| 15:42.31 | TheRedBaron | uso the config does have up and dwon bindings for some keys. |
| 15:42.31 | uso | not on the fire keys, ok :) |
| 15:42.32 | TheRedBaron | it depends on their function |
| 15:42.55 | TheRedBaron | tab is bound up and down |
| 15:43.00 | TheRedBaron | mouse buttons are bound up and down |
| 15:43.01 | uso | i just learn to switch my radar often ... |
| 15:43.08 | TheRedBaron | the radar keys are not bound up and down |
| 15:43.40 | TheRedBaron | uso, good job, that will save your tank |
| 15:44.19 | uso | sometimes, sometimes not at the moment, as i change radar instead of firing :) |
| 15:46.22 | TheRedBaron | 4th finger on tab, 3rd and 2nd finger on radar keys |
| 15:46.36 | TheRedBaron | 2nd finger moves down to q for double shots |
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| 15:47.25 | TheRedBaron | or 3rd and 2nd drop down to 'q' and 'w' combined with mouse button, for a nice 3shot spread |
| 15:47.56 | TheRedBaron | it takes some getting used to. |
| 15:48.00 | TheRedBaron | but whatever works for you. |
| 15:48.27 | TheRedBaron | i have rather long fingers, so it works for me :) |
| 15:49.30 | uso | i know, i needed a few days to adapt to the changed fire keys :) |
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| 15:52.05 | uso | you really must have long fingers or do you use only 2 or 3 radar zooms? |
| 15:52.48 | Chestal | do you play with keyboard? I use mosue for steering and shooting |
| 15:52.59 | Chestal | left hand toggles radar zoom |
| 15:53.25 | uso | i'm experimenting with 0.2/0.3/0.5 and 1.0 at the moment |
| 15:53.32 | uso | mouse for steering |
| 15:53.32 | TheRedBaron | chestal: same. |
| 15:54.33 | uso | but it seems to work better for me if i have steering and firing separated, i.e. firing with keys |
| 15:54.40 | TheRedBaron | except i've also mapped q w and e to fire |
| 15:54.58 | Chestal | 3 fire buttons are useless, after all, there are only 2 shots :-) |
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| 15:55.09 | uso | i have flag drop and identify at the mouse buttons |
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| 15:55.15 | TheRedBaron | so i fire with mouse and q to get nice close 2 shot combos |
| 15:55.23 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 15:55.23 | uso | lol chestal |
| 15:55.46 | uso | there are others outside of ducati :) |
| 15:55.56 | TheRedBaron | uso, really? |
| 15:56.01 | TheRedBaron | never heard of them :) |
| 15:56.11 | uso | 3 shot is acceptable for me ;) |
| 15:56.15 | bryjen | hehe. Chestal also doesn't need his left hand to press tab ;) |
| 15:56.23 | uso | right |
| 15:56.37 | TheRedBaron | chestal, but tell me you've modified you radar zooms |
| 15:57.47 | Chestal | I don't think so, I only added 4/5 for zoom in/out, but that may be default now anyway |
| 15:58.07 | uso | it is |
| 15:58.33 | TheRedBaron | Chestal. ACH! such blasphemy! |
| 15:58.47 | uso | hihi |
| 15:59.20 | Aribeth | W00T! anon cvs is finaly working |
| 15:59.32 | TheRedBaron | i've abandoned all default radar settings |
| 15:59.39 | Chestal | when you start to fine-tune your radar zooms, you need different configs for different world sizes, too |
| 15:59.52 | TheRedBaron | no you shouldn't |
| 16:00.14 | TheRedBaron | not if you only play where a league player should :) |
| 16:00.35 | TheRedBaron | but when i do play 1vs1 the zooms can be annoyings. |
| 16:01.43 | Chestal | I don't find it to be a problem at all |
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| 16:02.25 | Chestal | it is a little difficult to judge shot ranges maybe |
| 16:03.53 | TheRedBaron | i can work with the default ranges if i only play ducati. but i also play hepcat and gamesunited. |
| 16:04.10 | TheRedBaron | but i hate to jump so i dodge all I can to avoid shots. |
| 16:04.45 | uso | seldom at gu :) |
| 16:04.53 | uso | unfortunatly |
| 16:05.49 | Chestal | the lag on the hepcat servers is in general too high |
| 16:06.11 | Chestal | although that allows one to easily attack most players even with 3 shots |
| 16:06.52 | uso | for european players yes |
| 16:06.58 | Chestal | but there are peopel with >200ms on most of the time, and that is really annoying, can only hit them by luck |
| 16:07.27 | Chestal | luckily, the skill level isn't so high there on average |
| 16:08.23 | Chestal | uso: aren't there some hepcat serves in Europe and some in US? I lost scope |
| 16:08.42 | Chestal | there are also 3 or 4 different maps |
| 16:09.13 | uso | at least not with a lot of players, silvercat is the only popular |
| 16:09.41 | uso | but also has 200ms or so for me :( |
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| 16:11.27 | TheRedBaron | chestal, not sure there are silvercat servers in europe, but there is gamesunited. |
| 16:11.36 | TheRedBaron | a 3 shot jumping server |
| 16:11.40 | TheRedBaron | and a league to boot |
| 16:11.56 | TheRedBaron | its the xmission map. also known now as HIX |
| 16:12.03 | Chestal | yep, but the jumping makes it worthless for me |
| 16:12.22 | TheRedBaron | yea i hate it when i have a tank at my mercy, and then it jumps... |
| 16:12.26 | TheRedBaron | annoys me. |
| 16:12.37 | TheRedBaron | why can't they sit still and let me shoot them? |
| 16:13.12 | uso | but the silvercat maps are also with jumping |
| 16:13.31 | Chestal | hepcat is without |
| 16:13.51 | TheRedBaron | oh yes, pillbox |
| 16:13.59 | uso | do you mean pillbox? |
| 16:14.02 | Chestal | yes |
| 16:14.05 | TheRedBaron | i was thinking overlord |
| 16:14.13 | uso | ah, ok |
| 16:14.18 | uso | or babel |
| 16:14.50 | TheRedBaron | yes silvercat is running the modified babel... |
| 16:15.07 | uso | pillbox is ok, but the most popular pillbox server is still at 1.10 |
| 16:16.18 | TheRedBaron | well i'm off |
| 16:16.38 | JeffM2501 | I see changes to scoreboardrenderer, I asume that means SportyGal's multi hunt was readded? |
| 16:16.39 | uso | thanks redbaron |
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| 16:17.02 | TheRedBaron | no problem uso, glad i could help |
| 16:17.21 | uso | hope i see tib playing sometimes at gu ;) |
| 16:17.27 | uso | with you |
| 16:17.47 | JeffM2501 | do you know if he did it ? |
| 16:18.03 | SportyGal | I dont' know, sorry - I ended up going to sleep last night |
| 16:18.08 | JeffM2501 | looks like he did |
| 16:18.12 | JeffM2501 | and some others made some fixes |
| 16:18.13 | uso | meno added multihunt |
| 16:18.15 | JeffM2501 | ok cool |
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| 16:18.24 | JeffM2501 | time for an RC5 |
| 16:18.28 | SportyGal | cool, thanks |
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| 16:27.25 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I asume you didn't have anything else for an RC5? |
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| 16:27.49 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 16:28.20 | JeffM2501 | I wish I could make a pulldown form that would fill out a new relase post :) |
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| 16:30.21 | Tupone | JeffM2501: are you building rc5 ? |
| 16:30.25 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yes |
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| 16:30.38 | Tupone | Anybody tagged it ? |
| 16:30.40 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:30.42 | JeffM2501 | me :) |
| 16:31.33 | Tupone | good, anybody is preparing the tar.gz ? |
| 16:31.54 | JeffM2501 | you |
| 16:31.58 | Tupone | :) |
| 16:32.29 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, can you make a mac build? |
| 16:33.05 | Tupone | Does somebody require the .zip ? I don't think is really needed, as winzip can open tar.gz |
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| 16:36.10 | Tupone | and does people on windows uses the 7-zip that is able to open .bz2 file ? |
| 16:36.29 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:36.38 | JeffM2501 | people on windows need a real zip |
| 16:36.43 | JeffM2501 | with windows line ending |
| 16:37.06 | Tupone | I don't know if the zip file produced from make dist will do that :/ |
| 16:37.22 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:37.24 | JeffM2501 | no it won't |
| 16:37.32 | JeffM2501 | I'll make the zip |
| 16:37.33 | JeffM2501 | don't worry |
| 16:38.04 | Tupone | zip will not have autoconfed tool then :/ |
| 16:38.17 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 16:38.21 | Tupone | or you can make from my .tar.gz |
| 16:38.30 | JeffM2501 | they just have to run autogen, whopty do |
| 16:38.36 | JeffM2501 | just like CVS users do |
| 16:38.59 | Tupone | well, some cannot have that, or bad version. I prefer to ship in the tar.gz |
| 16:39.06 | JeffM2501 | it's never been a problem before? |
| 16:39.17 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, here's the deal |
| 16:39.26 | JeffM2501 | people using mingw use your tarball |
| 16:39.31 | JeffM2501 | so they get the autoconf |
| 16:39.36 | JeffM2501 | since mingw wants unix line endings |
| 16:39.37 | Tupone | tar.gz has been always with autoconfed file |
| 16:39.49 | JeffM2501 | people NOT using mingw ( like VC and devC++ ) use the zip |
| 16:39.54 | JeffM2501 | since it's windows line endings |
| 16:40.04 | JeffM2501 | those people don't need autoconf |
| 16:40.06 | JeffM2501 | so it's cool |
| 16:40.10 | JeffM2501 | don't overthink it |
| 16:40.32 | Tupone | I don't ... computer is already making so ... using my spare CPU :) |
| 16:40.40 | JeffM2501 | then it's fine |
| 16:40.52 | JeffM2501 | the windows zip users don't need autoconf, so it dosn't mater where it's built |
| 16:41.13 | JeffM2501 | systems on windows that use autoconf can't use the zip file anyway due to it's line endings |
| 16:43.22 | JeffM2501 | I've pondered making a source "installer" but never been that motivated |
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| 16:46.30 | JeffM2501 | it's done |
| 16:46.30 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=53160#53160 |
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| 16:49.53 | orange | oh, the grabmouse code is making my head hurt :-) |
| 16:50.04 | orange | enable, allow, should |
| 16:50.12 | orange | grabmousealways |
| 16:50.26 | Tupone | grabmouse ... what platform? |
| 16:50.30 | orange | linux |
| 16:50.39 | orange | all I really wanted to do was add a key binding to toggle it |
| 16:50.40 | Tupone | I don't think is used |
| 16:50.50 | orange | it is in window mode |
| 16:51.02 | Tupone | confine mouse option? |
| 16:51.05 | orange | yes |
| 16:51.29 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, TimRiker, DTRemenak, brlcad, what say you to branching the current source at at 2_0_4 branch, so that anyone who checks stuff into head, won't screw with the release? |
| 16:51.42 | JeffM2501 | then any fixes or changes to the code have to be explicid? |
| 16:51.44 | Tupone | I did, but I actually don't remember being related to grabmouse |
| 16:51.58 | DTRemenak | any reason we can't just release? :) |
| 16:52.10 | JeffM2501 | we just did an RC5 |
| 16:52.11 | DTRemenak | people still reporting problems with 5? |
| 16:52.12 | Tupone | I will wait for some error to raise up if we made rc5 |
| 16:52.19 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, 5 just went up |
| 16:52.21 | DTRemenak | ah. thought you were gonna do that yesterday |
| 16:52.27 | orange | well, the options->input settings->confine mouse definitely changes the behavior in linux windowed mode |
| 16:52.37 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I was waylaid by suden changes |
| 16:52.39 | orange | and it's great to have it there |
| 16:52.44 | JeffM2501 | one reason I want to branch it |
| 16:52.51 | JeffM2501 | there 'should' be no more changes |
| 16:52.55 | JeffM2501 | a branch would ensure it |
| 16:53.35 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, we waited on multi-hunt |
| 16:53.58 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 16:54.11 | JeffM2501 | so branching kinda makes it a 'code freeze' |
| 16:54.25 | JeffM2501 | to ensure release |
| 16:55.17 | JeffM2501 | and forcing people to make changes to the code 2x would make them REALY think about adding something so late :) |
| 16:55.55 | JeffM2501 | for? against? abstain? |
| 16:56.51 | TimRiker | weak preference toward not branching. (at least for this) |
| 16:57.02 | JeffM2501 | how weak? :) |
| 16:57.19 | TimRiker | medium weak. ;-) |
| 16:57.24 | Tupone | preference on not branching now |
| 16:57.25 | JeffM2501 | we talking twig? or Baseball bat? |
| 16:57.40 | JeffM2501 | ok, we'll just let somone screw us over then :) |
| 16:57.49 | Tupone | wait for release and put on topic we are on freeze |
| 16:58.14 | TimRiker | yeah. easy enough to just revert any commits we don't like. |
| 16:58.16 | JeffM2501 | umm Tupone I don't know how many larger projects you have worked on, but you Freeze BEFORE release, not affter |
| 16:58.27 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, why stifle creativity |
| 16:58.32 | TimRiker | I think he means feature freeze |
| 16:58.37 | Tupone | JeffM2501: more that you can imagine |
| 16:58.38 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, so do I :) |
| 16:58.56 | JeffM2501 | patches... unwelcome |
| 16:59.05 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 16:59.23 | TimRiker | well, patches are still welcome. it's just commits. ;-) |
| 16:59.23 | JeffM2501 | just seems stupid when we have a tool that would help us with it |
| 16:59.32 | JeffM2501 | so as allways "help unwelcome" |
| 16:59.38 | JeffM2501 | guess it'll never change |
| 17:00.18 | JeffM2501 | I know your not |
| 17:00.23 | JeffM2501 | hence why it never changes |
| 17:00.32 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 17:01.10 | TimRiker | in other news.. it looks like xmission.bzflag.org might be coming back. |
| 17:01.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 17:01.59 | *** topic/#bzflag by Tupone -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat if you just want to chat || paste errors to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || cvs commits are not more welcome |
| 17:02.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o Tupone] by Tupone |
| 17:02.17 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat if you just want to chat || paste errors to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || Please do not commit to CVS as the release is near |
| 17:02.25 | JeffM2501 | lets try english shall we :) |
| 17:03.09 | JeffM2501 | and being polite |
| 17:03.56 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat if you just want to chat || paste errors to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || Please do not commit to CVS without discussing here as the release is near |
| 17:03.57 | Tupone | JeffM2501: can you edit forum information ? developer |
| 17:04.11 | JeffM2501 | bzbb? |
| 17:04.16 | Tupone | develoeprs |
| 17:04.17 | Tupone | yeah |
| 17:04.22 | JeffM2501 | the group? |
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| 17:04.28 | Tupone | yeah, bad spelling |
| 17:04.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:04.36 | JeffM2501 | what did you need changed? |
| 17:04.37 | Tupone | dislessia ? |
| 17:04.45 | Tupone | just an english word |
| 17:04.54 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 17:05.17 | JeffM2501 | where do you see it? |
| 17:05.33 | Tupone | developer group |
| 17:05.45 | JeffM2501 | oh just the discription |
| 17:05.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:06.01 | Tupone | and also planing.developer seems to be with not enough "n" |
| 17:06.05 | JeffM2501 | and yes I have some dislexia |
| 17:06.13 | Tupone | but that I think is a big change :/ |
| 17:07.48 | Tupone | Problem is that keyboard layout is not build to help human, but was built to help old typewriting machine hardware |
| 17:08.40 | Tupone | so not dislexia ... but bad Human/Keyboard interface design |
| 17:08.43 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 17:08.50 | JeffM2501 | but I can't change the past |
| 17:08.52 | JeffM2501 | so I deal with it |
| 17:08.58 | JeffM2501 | with help from people like you :) |
| 17:09.46 | JeffM2501 | group didn't need a description anyway |
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| 17:10.02 | Tupone | planing ? you want fix that? |
| 17:10.16 | JeffM2501 | tell me where |
| 17:10.20 | JeffM2501 | I can't read your mind :) |
| 17:10.21 | Tupone | name of group |
| 17:10.36 | Tupone | <Tupone> and also planing.developer seems to be with not enough "n" |
| 17:11.39 | JeffM2501 | fixed |
| 17:11.51 | JeffM2501 | interesting choice of time to go on a spellcheck of the forums |
| 17:12.19 | Tupone | hehe ... waiting for report :) |
| 17:12.33 | JeffM2501 | report? |
| 17:12.34 | Tupone | and planning is always good |
| 17:12.39 | Tupone | report on rc5 ? |
| 17:12.48 | JeffM2501 | it makes a report? |
| 17:13.03 | Tupone | I mean, if that work or not |
| 17:13.27 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 17:13.32 | JeffM2501 | responce from players |
| 17:13.38 | Tupone | yeah |
| 17:14.01 | JeffM2501 | just set at watch on the forum, and have it e-mail you on each new post :) |
| 17:15.39 | Tupone | planning is to describe our foreseen next implementation ? |
| 17:15.56 | Tupone | I already have some in TODO |
| 17:16.17 | JeffM2501 | it was a fourm to discuss that |
| 17:16.25 | JeffM2501 | if you wish to add to it, please be my guest |
| 17:16.33 | JeffM2501 | the forum is woefully unused |
| 17:17.47 | Tupone | I'll do that ... I hope next time we release in some month ... so no big change or actually no slow change :/ |
| 17:18.05 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 17:18.11 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, it's part of the driver |
| 17:18.37 | ToughShooter | Then why can it be set in Doom 3? |
| 17:18.52 | JeffM2501 | because doom 3 ueses extenstions |
| 17:19.19 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, what features do you forsee for the next major version? |
| 17:19.34 | JeffM2501 | or just let people add for 3 months then snap it off? |
| 17:19.55 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, we don't use extenstions or anything that isn't part of GL 1.1 |
| 17:20.03 | Tupone | I'll write there :) Kill decision at server is one |
| 17:20.22 | Tupone | already described in the wiki |
| 17:20.35 | JeffM2501 | our info is too spread out |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | wiki, fourms, cvs todo, here, tim's head |
| 17:21.00 | JeffM2501 | oh and SF lists |
| 17:21.04 | JeffM2501 | forgot about them :) |
| 17:21.55 | Tupone | tupone's head too :) |
| 17:23.27 | ToughShooter | If it's possible inside Doom 3, why can't that option be there in BZFlag when the card supports it? |
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| 17:25.53 | ToughShooter | I got lots of unusual horizontal lines (only visible when you pay attention) until I turned Vsync on |
| 17:30.15 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I copy the wiki entry in a new post at bzbb |
| 17:30.21 | Tupone | copied :) |
| 17:30.36 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:30.52 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, it's calle shearing |
| 17:31.30 | orange | feature requests? Did someone say feature requests? |
| 17:31.45 | menotume | i request more features |
| 17:32.22 | orange | chatter on silvercat server... tie a paypal account (or similar) to a bzflag feature to allow people to fire a world weapon (as observer) for a quarter |
| 17:32.24 | Aribeth | more more more more features |
| 17:32.38 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I do like only dev/selected people can post message there "planning.developer" |
| 17:41.25 | Grumbler | menotume, dont suppose you could take the hunt mechanism and turn it into a simplier ban/kick/kill mechanism |
| 17:42.58 | orange | hmmm |
| 17:43.02 | orange | /hunt #10 |
| 17:43.36 | orange | I like it |
| 17:43.42 | orange | but you could support both |
| 17:43.50 | menotume | hmmm |
| 17:44.41 | orange | perhaps after 2.0.5 :-) |
| 17:44.48 | menotume | interesting idea, would need more feddback as to how it would work |
| 17:44.52 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, that' was the point :) |
| 17:45.33 | Tupone | point on what ? |
| 17:45.43 | JeffM2501 | orange, that wuld actualy be easy with a plugin |
| 17:46.12 | menotume | a pulugin ? |
| 17:46.22 | menotume | oh, that part, yes |
| 17:46.24 | orange | I think JeffM2501 is talking about the world weapon observer idea |
| 17:46.31 | orange | which really would be fun :-) |
| 17:46.31 | menotume | i thought Grumbler's idea was different |
| 17:46.40 | JeffM2501 | firing a world weap for a quarter :) |
| 17:46.44 | menotume | ahhh :) |
| 17:47.07 | menotume | I volunteer to setup the paypal account |
| 17:47.12 | orange | lol |
| 17:48.19 | Grumbler | menotume, yeah, as i re-read, i was looking to simplify the kick/ban/kill stuff.....because the "O" key is sluggy, and /playerlist requires me to type things in correctly....would be nice to be able to point at the callsign and ban/kick/kill/mute from there |
| 17:48.31 | menotume | right |
| 17:48.37 | Tupone | JeffM2501: what you meant by .. that was the point? |
| 17:48.41 | JeffM2501 | right mouse meny :) |
| 17:48.44 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, huh? |
| 17:48.52 | Tupone | <JeffM2501> Tupone, that' was the point :) |
| 17:48.54 | orange | is there an "api" to validate bzbb accounts from other web sites? |
| 17:49.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:49.05 | Tupone | explain |
| 17:49.20 | orange | oh, I was backwards from grumbler... I was thinking he meant allow hunt and unhunt from the "command line" :-) |
| 17:49.32 | Grumbler | orange, actually, i like that idea as well |
| 17:49.32 | menotume | orange: both could be done |
| 17:49.32 | JeffM2501 | we have a login page that will give you a token and code that will let you verify the token and check for groups |
| 17:50.03 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, the point of the fourm, for it to be private |
| 17:50.12 | orange | JeffM2501: cool... any docs or samples? |
| 17:50.22 | JeffM2501 | orange, yeah, IIRC it's in misc |
| 17:50.40 | JeffM2501 | the php function to test the token, and how to call the login page |
| 17:50.48 | Tupone | so other people not dev or special are allowed to discuss/make plan on my work, and others dev. Thanks no :) |
| 17:50.52 | JeffM2501 | basicly you call a URL, with your URL as a parmater |
| 17:51.05 | Tupone | I'm not payed for that |
| 17:51.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, there are 2 forums, 1 is private, one is public |
| 17:51.29 | JeffM2501 | but hey it was my idea, so it makes sense that you hate it. I'm used to it |
| 17:51.31 | orange | JeffM2501: great, thanks! |
| 17:51.47 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:52.10 | Tupone | private one ? |
| 17:52.13 | Tupone | where ? |
| 17:52.23 | JeffM2501 | I'll have to look |
| 17:52.26 | JeffM2501 | it's been ages |
| 17:52.32 | JeffM2501 | give me time |
| 17:52.36 | JeffM2501 | doing real work |
| 17:53.14 | Tupone | I don't mind if other look at it, I just don't want general public discuss/decide my plan |
| 17:53.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know |
| 17:53.37 | JeffM2501 | that is why there is a private one |
| 17:53.54 | JeffM2501 | the public one was for anoucments of those plans when they are read |
| 17:53.56 | JeffM2501 | ready |
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| 17:54.43 | JeffM2501 | dev planing is public |
| 17:54.46 | JeffM2501 | dev notes is private |
| 17:54.53 | JeffM2501 | probably shoudl rename them |
| 17:55.21 | Tupone | no hurry, Real work is more important .. I guess |
| 17:55.30 | JeffM2501 | the build is going now |
| 17:55.43 | JeffM2501 | what shoudl they be named? |
| 17:55.56 | menotume | dev notes (private) ? |
| 17:56.01 | menotume | :) |
| 17:56.06 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 17:56.10 | menotume | dev2dev yellow pages |
| 17:56.11 | JeffM2501 | the private one should probably be planing |
| 17:56.38 | JeffM2501 | dono what the public one should be called |
| 17:57.14 | JeffM2501 | maybe just development |
| 17:57.40 | menotume | works for me :) |
| 17:57.52 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 17:57.53 | bryjen | dev developments |
| 17:57.56 | bryjen | ;) |
| 17:58.01 | JeffM2501 | planning is now private |
| 17:58.09 | JeffM2501 | the "development" one is public |
| 17:58.42 | menotume | planning doesn't get toooo much activity :) |
| 17:59.12 | JeffM2501 | no, no it dosn't |
| 17:59.58 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, do you want your post public or private? |
| 18:00.01 | JeffM2501 | I can move it if you need |
| 18:00.10 | Tupone | private now :) |
| 18:00.22 | bryjen | hmm |
| 18:00.24 | JeffM2501 | it is moved |
| 18:00.49 | JeffM2501 | your not in the group? |
| 18:01.09 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I can go either way on the branch for a patch release |
| 18:01.10 | JeffM2501 | sorry bout that |
| 18:01.22 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, the powers have spoken |
| 18:01.28 | bryjen | i'm not seeing planning. however, i'm often selectively blind |
| 18:01.31 | JeffM2501 | anyone else that is missed? |
| 18:01.38 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, you weren't in, I just added you |
| 18:01.47 | brlcad | probably should have branched 2 weeks ago ;) |
| 18:01.58 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, that would have been my thought |
| 18:02.02 | brlcad | or when the first rc clients were being built |
| 18:02.21 | bryjen | bah, or perhaps i should log in :/ |
| 18:02.28 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, LOL |
| 18:02.45 | JeffM2501 | can everyone else here who thinks they should see the dev private forums, see them? |
| 18:03.12 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I cannot edit your post ? That is wanted ? |
| 18:03.24 | JeffM2501 | why would you want to edit my post? |
| 18:03.31 | Tupone | lol, english :) |
| 18:05.39 | orange | is there a help page for new osx users to build rc5 and/or cvs? (not me, someone else asking) |
| 18:05.46 | orange | but I know nothing about osx |
| 18:06.25 | Tupone | brlcad has offered to build that |
| 18:06.59 | Tupone | :) I'm spudorately lying |
| 18:07.24 | brlcad | he has? :) |
| 18:07.25 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, should build us an OSX |
| 18:07.44 | JeffM2501 | or at least check in his DMG making stuff so I can build one tongiht |
| 18:07.47 | brlcad | we're releasing when exactly? :) |
| 18:08.12 | brlcad | better put, has another line in the sand been drawn yet? I'd suggest saturday.. |
| 18:08.42 | brlcad | or maybe wednesday |
| 18:08.46 | brlcad | 'black wednesday' |
| 18:08.53 | brlcad | there's a good name for the release |
| 18:09.52 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I'd REALY like to have a mac build before the release, for testing. |
| 18:10.08 | Grumbler | yeah, burgundy thursday has never taken off |
| 18:10.53 | brlcad | JeffM2501: it doesn't build for you? :) |
| 18:11.11 | orange | yes, someone was saying 2.0.2 crashed on their mac, so they haven't tried anything else, and still use 2.0.0 |
| 18:11.19 | orange | so I encouraged him to go test, but he can't :-) |
| 18:11.25 | JeffM2501 | it builds for me, but I am woried about people with 10.2 |
| 18:11.31 | brlcad | orange: yeah, that's a library problem and 10.2 vs 10.3 vs 10.4 problem |
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| 18:11.32 | JeffM2501 | and I am woried about the packaging |
| 18:11.42 | JeffM2501 | that is what I wish to test |
| 18:11.58 | ToughShooter | If there is need I can reinstall 10.2 on my ibook right now and test |
| 18:12.16 | JeffM2501 | we have 10.2 people, they just need a binary to test |
| 18:12.31 | JeffM2501 | I can hack one up, but I'd like a test of the "officail" way |
| 18:12.40 | JeffM2501 | but then when does what I'd like ever have any meaning? |
| 18:12.58 | brlcad | the best 'safe' way is to just build on 10.2 .. but that's usually a fun little adventure in hacking due to compiler differences/bugs |
| 18:13.19 | JeffM2501 | do we need 2 binarys? |
| 18:13.26 | JeffM2501 | or do we say that we just do 10.3 or better? |
| 18:13.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm ok with saying 10.3 or better |
| 18:13.45 | brlcad | the latter is obviously easiest |
| 18:13.47 | JeffM2501 | we just have to you know.. say it |
| 18:13.59 | brlcad | nah, we can do one more for 10.2 |
| 18:14.01 | menotume | meacan is missing from the dev group, looking for others |
| 18:14.09 | JeffM2501 | so have 2 binarys? |
| 18:14.12 | brlcad | then break it when 10.5 is released |
| 18:14.14 | JeffM2501 | or one that is done in 10.2? |
| 18:14.20 | brlcad | nah, if it works for 10.2, it should work on anything |
| 18:14.30 | JeffM2501 | you have a 10.2 os to build on? |
| 18:14.32 | brlcad | it just might not be optimal, might even be buggy curl stuff |
| 18:14.38 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:14.47 | JeffM2501 | ok, I'd rather have 2 builds, then one buggy one |
| 18:14.53 | brlcad | that's how I historically have made the builds |
| 18:14.59 | brlcad | (i.e. on 10.2) |
| 18:15.03 | JeffM2501 | except 2.0.2? |
| 18:15.12 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.2 had probs and did not run on 10.2 |
| 18:15.41 | brlcad | i thought 2.0.2 was on 10.2, but might have tried the MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_SOMETHING_OR_OTHER flag to cross-compile |
| 18:15.41 | JeffM2501 | is building on 10.4 "better" for the final product? |
| 18:15.52 | menotume | meacan and grumbler seem to be missing from dev group |
| 18:16.01 | JeffM2501 | from fact, 2.0.2 dosn't run for many people |
| 18:17.46 | brlcad | yep, I noticed |
| 18:17.46 | brlcad | but whether that's because of a 10.2 -> 10.2 lib incompatibility (which is possible) or a 10.3 build is unknown |
| 18:17.50 | brlcad | it could have simply been because I have an updated 10.2 and they do not |
| 18:18.06 | brlcad | as the bug was in one of the 3rd party libs |
| 18:18.17 | brlcad | s/bug/run-time link problem/ |
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| 18:27.05 | yummy | Hi, just to notify that source code package for rc5 is incomplete .. missing MeshRenderNode.h (i just picked up from cvs) and can't find another missing: OccluderSceneNode.h |
| 18:27.30 | Tupone | tanks :/ |
| 18:28.37 | Chestal | hmm, can a single key have multiple bindings? |
| 18:28.43 | menotume | hmm, i tried a fresh CO last night, all was well |
| 18:29.06 | trepan | anon cvs co? |
| 18:29.34 | Tupone | dist file .. I suppose the .h not being in Makefile.am |
| 18:29.35 | yummy | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/geometry/ |
| 18:29.50 | menotume | no, non-anon co for me |
| 18:31.27 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, all that info points to needing a freaking test |
| 18:33.51 | Tupone | JeffM2501: could you add _Manu_ to that group too . He is a dev |
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| 18:34.39 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, sure |
| 18:34.43 | menotume | Tupone: he's there |
| 18:34.44 | bz1441 | hello |
| 18:35.05 | bz1441 | i wonder if i could confirm i have the correct beta source of bzflag |
| 18:35.11 | CBG | hi bz1441 |
| 18:35.13 | bryjen | why do I have a conflict cvs up'ing tools/modeltool/Q3BSP.cxx ? |
| 18:35.16 | _Manu_ | menotume, I'm in developers group but I can get access to Development Planning |
| 18:35.19 | Tupone | well, it does not seems. Perhaps that forum is not linked to the group ? |
| 18:35.31 | _Manu_ | mean I can't |
| 18:35.47 | JeffM2501 | manu was in it |
| 18:36.03 | JeffM2501 | I had just added him and grumbler |
| 18:36.24 | orange | http://my.bzflag.org/weblogin?action=weblogin&url=..... |
| 18:36.26 | orange | results in a 404 |
| 18:36.31 | orange | is that the right locatoin? |
| 18:36.39 | JeffM2501 | it'll work now |
| 18:36.44 | JeffM2501 | devs was't part of it |
| 18:36.46 | JeffM2501 | it is now |
| 18:36.51 | bz1441 | i've downloaded the rc5 source, but the directory it sits in is named: bzflag-2.0.3.20050916 |
| 18:36.57 | bz1441 | is that right? |
| 18:36.59 | brad2901 | orange: weblogin.php |
| 18:37.09 | JeffM2501 | bz1441, tar or zip? |
| 18:37.14 | orange | brad2901: thanks |
| 18:37.19 | brad2901 | :) |
| 18:37.21 | orange | (someone should update checkToken.php in misc) |
| 18:37.23 | bz1441 | tarred and bzip2ed |
| 18:37.25 | _Manu_ | Now I can see it, thanks JeffM2501 |
| 18:37.30 | JeffM2501 | _Manu_, sure |
| 18:37.40 | JeffM2501 | bz1441, ahh that's the Tupone then |
| 18:37.45 | bz1441 | shouldn't the date be later than the 16th? |
| 18:37.56 | JeffM2501 | bz1441, the verison number is techincaly still 2.0.3 |
| 18:37.58 | Tupone | bz1441: it is right, but is missing 2 files |
| 18:38.07 | bz1441 | oh... |
| 18:38.09 | Tupone | at least |
| 18:38.24 | Tupone | I'm checking and then upload |
| 18:38.27 | yummy | missing at least 2 files ... as i get error during make |
| 18:38.49 | bz1441 | and you'll change the date of the directory? |
| 18:38.50 | JeffM2501 | the zip file will have them all ;) |
| 18:38.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (include/Makefile.am src/geometry/Makefile.am): missing files in source bundles |
| 18:39.05 | trepan | Tupone: could you check that? |
| 18:39.15 | Tupone | I'm checking |
| 18:39.23 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* let me know when to rebuild the zip |
| 18:39.42 | bz1441 | ok. i'll delete it all and download it again later |
| 18:39.57 | Tupone | not a big issue, jeff, you don't need to rebuild exe |
| 18:40.11 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I didn't say EXE |
| 18:40.12 | JeffM2501 | I said ZIP |
| 18:40.15 | Tupone | I know |
| 18:40.23 | JeffM2501 | the zip contains the makefile |
| 18:40.23 | bz1441 | perhaps it should be: bzflag-2.0.3.2005097? |
| 18:40.39 | Tupone | bz1441: that depend on the last time I configured |
| 18:40.51 | bz1441 | i mean ....27 |
| 18:40.53 | JeffM2501 | bz1441, if your uziper can do line ending conversions, the zip file will have all the files you need, you'll just have to run autogen |
| 18:41.08 | JeffM2501 | or it'll have the files you are missing at least :) |
| 18:41.17 | JeffM2501 | the zip is made from a CVS export |
| 18:41.43 | yummy | i'm currently getting he zip to try with it .... |
| 18:41.52 | bz1441 | what about the tarball? |
| 18:41.54 | JeffM2501 | it will have windows line endings |
| 18:41.57 | Tupone | I'm taking some time, that I'm checking if all is good. I jumped :( this check, has I have not seen new files or seen and forgot |
| 18:42.02 | JeffM2501 | tar and bz aremade the same way |
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| 18:42.24 | Tupone | yummy, bz1441 20 minutes ? |
| 18:43.05 | bz1441 | ok. fine |
| 18:43.08 | yummy | the* |
| 18:43.08 | yummy | yep |
| 18:43.37 | bz1441 | could i ask you once again to amend the date in the tarball top directory name if it is wrong and should end with 20050927 |
| 18:43.42 | bz1441 | ? |
| 18:44.25 | yummy | JeffM2501: the zip file is only for win$ builds .. or can i compile it on osx ? |
| 18:44.47 | JeffM2501 | if you can convert the line endings, it would work on any OS |
| 18:44.52 | Tupone | that is from make dist :/ I will try to reconfigure but don't want to mess with that |
| 18:44.58 | JeffM2501 | it is bascly just a dump of CVS |
| 18:45.02 | JeffM2501 | with windows line endings |
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| 18:45.10 | yummy | k |
| 18:45.25 | JeffM2501 | most unzip utilitys are smart enough to auto convert the files |
| 18:45.31 | JeffM2501 | so it may work just fine for you |
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| 18:47.46 | menotume | ahh, SportChicky .. please test the multi-hunt |
| 18:48.21 | JeffM2501 | menotume, you may want to post to the forums in the RC5 thread on how to use multi |
| 18:48.32 | menotume | ahh, okies |
| 18:50.50 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I don't dispute the need for a test, that is usually done when it's built regardless (_several_ folks including people on 10.2 tested 2.0.2 when it was built) |
| 18:51.06 | JeffM2501 | well something bad happend |
| 18:51.33 | brlcad | sure, but if it wasn't a cross-compile problem there's not much that can be done other than saying 'sorry' |
| 18:51.43 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 18:51.46 | brlcad | or 'sorry, gotta upgrade' |
| 18:51.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm not blaming anything for the past |
| 18:52.03 | JeffM2501 | I just want to make sure we know what will happen with this release |
| 18:52.05 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts all |
| 18:52.18 | SportChicky | menotume: I'm at work - I can't right now |
| 18:52.20 | JeffM2501 | and I think the best way to do that is to produce at least 1 test build before the release |
| 18:54.27 | uso | 2.0.4 still will have protocol version 26, right? |
| 18:54.33 | brlcad | I'm not saying I'm not going to make it, but that's where I disagree :) |
| 18:54.50 | Tupone | uso: right |
| 18:54.51 | JeffM2501 | uso, yes it's not changed, all 2.0.x versions are compatable |
| 18:54.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/geometry/Makefile.am: No need to use noinst_HEADERS, just include headerd under the SOURCES |
| 18:55.03 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I know you disagree |
| 18:55.14 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean I'm not gonna bug ya about it tho :) |
| 18:55.27 | JeffM2501 | ooo I could pull a vader and tell you to go to heck, that woudl help woudln't it? :) |
| 18:55.30 | brlcad | doesn't meant I'm not gonna drag my feet about it too :) |
| 18:55.46 | brlcad | albeit completely unintentionally |
| 18:55.47 | JeffM2501 | just means I'll build a hack build tonight |
| 18:55.55 | brlcad | takes over an hour to make a release build |
| 18:56.00 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 18:56.02 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 18:56.09 | brlcad | yeah.. slow process |
| 18:56.22 | brlcad | so i'm not too fond of rebooting to 10.2 |
| 18:56.36 | JeffM2501 | I can imagine |
| 18:57.13 | JeffM2501 | why not just do a 10.4 for the test, and then we'll do a 10.4 and a 10.2 for release, so we don't have to punish the 10.4's with old code |
| 18:57.20 | JeffM2501 | then say "this is the last 10.2 version" |
| 18:57.30 | JeffM2501 | so you'd only ever have to reboot one more time :) |
| 18:57.44 | brlcad | yeah, that's the plan |
| 18:57.57 | brlcad | cept it'll be at least 2 builds I bet, cause it won't work :) |
| 18:58.14 | JeffM2501 | I see many apps that release seperate 10.3+ and 10.2 versions |
| 18:58.20 | JeffM2501 | what was the huge thing they changed? |
| 18:58.26 | JeffM2501 | in 10.3? |
| 18:58.35 | brlcad | the compiler and stl headers ;) |
| 18:58.42 | JeffM2501 | that would be a huge thing |
| 18:58.50 | brlcad | and base system libraries (incompatible) |
| 18:59.23 | JeffM2501 | that's come balls to make that big of a change, they must have screwd up big time in the past |
| 18:59.25 | brlcad | usually building involves a handful of source fixes too -- those nasty ppc assembler build failure messages |
| 19:00.28 | brlcad | which involve obscure static var issues |
| 19:02.18 | menotume | info on multi-hunt has been posted, i hope it is clear :) http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5371&start=0 |
| 19:04.33 | yummy | menotume: sounds clear enough ;) |
| 19:16.21 | ToughShooter | menotume: tnx |
| 19:17.10 | Thumper_ | hi often when I do 'cvs up -C -d' I get conflicts with BZFlag.xcode/Makefile.am and BZFlag.xcode/project.pbxproj -> cvs update: move away `BZFlag.xcode/project.pbxproj'; it is in the way |
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| 19:17.33 | Thumper_ | I never touch this files manually - my fix is to just delete them and let cvs recreate them... |
| 19:17.34 | bryjen | argh. crashy, crashy. |
| 19:17.42 | Thumper_ | but why am I getting these messages in the first place? |
| 19:17.44 | ToughShooter | Now I'll unmap the default u key and will replace it with the command that is connected to 7 by default ;) |
| 19:19.00 | Thumper_ | hmmm maybe that should be 'everytime I do cvs up C -d' ... |
| 19:19.13 | ToughShooter | Thumper_: Do you run Mac OS X? That files are included in the project file for XCode |
| 19:19.19 | Thumper_ | no - linux |
| 19:19.24 | Thumper_ | x86 |
| 19:19.45 | ToughShooter | You don't need the BZFlag.xcode file then |
| 19:19.52 | Thumper_ | so ... why do I have it? |
| 19:19.53 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:20.20 | Thumper_ | I did that |
| 19:20.23 | Tupone | bryjen: what is crashing? |
| 19:20.25 | Thumper_ | I think |
| 19:20.34 | Thumper_ | removed it. |
| 19:20.37 | Thumper_ | did cvs up -C -d |
| 19:20.44 | Thumper_ | which created them (tagged as U) |
| 19:20.54 | Thumper_ | then next cvs up -C -d right after that flags them as conflicts again |
| 19:21.01 | ToughShooter | Hmm |
| 19:21.25 | ToughShooter | No probs for me. |
| 19:21.28 | Thumper_ | :D |
| 19:21.33 | Tupone | why -C ? |
| 19:21.40 | Thumper_ | I can toast my entire bzflag source tree and check it out again... |
| 19:21.49 | Thumper_ | to throw away any locally modified files I made |
| 19:22.04 | Thumper_ | ie. to unapply local patches for my servers |
| 19:22.12 | ToughShooter | Thumper_: Have you deleted the whole folder with the suffix .xcode? |
| 19:22.16 | Thumper_ | no |
| 19:22.25 | Thumper_ | I'll rm -rf it and see if that helps |
| 19:22.40 | Thumper_ | but I think it got created once with cvs up -d |
| 19:23.10 | Thumper_ | yup cvs up -d brings it right back (creating any missing dirs) |
| 19:23.10 | bryjen | i had the gui setting menu up adjusting shot size, and pressed 2 to change radar scale. may not be bzflag's fault though. if my screensaver starts an opengl demo while bzflag is running, my video driver throws a fit :( |
| 19:23.14 | ToughShooter | That's a special folder with the boundle bit set under HFS(+|x) and contains various needed files inside |
| 19:23.37 | Thumper_ | at some time in the past |
| 19:23.47 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (n=Legoguy@adsl-68-77-20-250.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 19:24.01 | Thumper_ | some new c-ares (sp?) code was created and trepan suggested I use |
| 19:24.06 | Thumper_ | cvs up -d to pull in the new missing stuff |
| 19:24.13 | Thumper_ | and I've just been doing that ever since... |
| 19:24.17 | Tupone | remove opengl screensaver :] |
| 19:24.29 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (n=david@debian/developer/dbharris) |
| 19:24.51 | bryjen | i'm not sure that's what happened. i had to remotely kill -9 X |
| 19:25.06 | Thumper_ | I'll just rm -rf the BZFlag.xcode/ dir and then stop using cvs up -d |
| 19:25.09 | Thumper_ | until my build fails |
| 19:25.19 | Thumper_ | sometime in the future I guess |
| 19:25.45 | Thumper_ | ok bad idea. |
| 19:25.46 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:25.53 | Thumper_ | Makefile.am:24: required directory ./BZFlag.xcode does not exist |
| 19:25.53 | Thumper_ | ERROR: automake failed |
| 19:26.26 | Thumper_ | it's just annoying that it always marks those two files as conflicts |
| 19:27.41 | Tupone | Thumper_: cvs update -dP |
| 19:27.50 | Thumper_ | P? |
| 19:29.44 | trepan | if you don't modify your sources, 'cvs up -dPC' is probably a good form to use |
| 19:30.39 | Thumper_ | hmm already had 'update -P' in my .cvsrc |
| 19:30.56 | Thumper_ | now it's 'update -dP' |
| 19:32.05 | Thumper_ | the BZFlag.xcode dir isn't empty (for me) |
| 19:32.33 | Thumper_ | has 3 files: Makefile.am Makefile.in project.pbxproj |
| 19:33.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): prefer static_cast over old-style casts and reinterpret_cast where applicable |
| 19:41.49 | *** join/#bzflag CBG_ (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:42.39 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, davidV has fixed the problems with fortix site and wants the firewall block removed |
| 19:43.43 | JeffM2501 | and I don't know how to remove it :) |
| 19:46.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ComposeDefaultKey.cxx: "Enter down" can be used with "send all" |
| 19:47.27 | JeffM2501 | yay RC6 |
| 19:47.42 | Tupone | no rc6 |
| 19:47.49 | JeffM2501 | I see a commit |
| 19:47.56 | bryjen | two |
| 19:48.08 | Tupone | but we will test without issuing an rc6 |
| 19:48.10 | JeffM2501 | then ether RC6 or at least another build |
| 19:48.10 | Pimpinella | i hope i get cidr bans into rc7 ;) |
| 19:48.24 | JeffM2501 | And branching was a bad idea? |
| 19:48.37 | Chestal | my commit is purely technical, will make no difference on 'normal' architectures |
| 19:49.11 | trepan | my commit is functional, and gets bitched about every couple of months =) |
| 19:49.27 | JeffM2501 | and there ya go |
| 20:00.11 | Tupone | source package updated, including the 2 missing files and the Chestal technical changes |
| 20:03.04 | *** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=pepper@adsl-64-108-223-145.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 20:04.41 | bryjen | ~spell advertize |
| 20:05.46 | Silent_Swan | ~spell supercalifragilisticexpialidocious |
| 20:05.57 | Silent_Swan | oh my |
| 20:06.09 | Tupone | ToughShooter: that is funny, I already saw that. The most I like is the coffe :) |
| 20:07.52 | Pimpinella | hmmm, that cidr thingy isn't as somple as i hoped it was |
| 20:08.04 | Pimpinella | simple even |
| 20:08.45 | JeffM2501 | cidr? |
| 20:09.11 | Pimpinella | for bans |
| 20:09.38 | JeffM2501 | ohh hunter like interface for bans |
| 20:09.38 | Pimpinella | ban like 1.2.64.0/19 |
| 20:09.42 | *** join/#bzflag bz4683 (n=502ab31d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:09.42 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:09.43 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:09.48 | bz4683 | hi |
| 20:09.56 | JeffM2501 | is that realy needed THIS close? |
| 20:10.06 | Pimpinella | no ;) |
| 20:10.11 | bz4683 | do you know, is the rc5 tarball now complete? |
| 20:10.33 | Pimpinella | was only joking when i supposed to get it in 2.4 |
| 20:10.40 | Pimpinella | 2.0.4 |
| 20:10.42 | JeffM2501 | I belive tupone updated it yes |
| 20:10.46 | bz4683 | ty |
| 20:11.04 | JeffM2501 | Pimpinella, see if we had branched, you could be puting it in 2.1.x right now :) |
| 20:11.21 | JeffM2501 | but that's not something we'll discuss again ;) |
| 20:11.32 | Pimpinella | i voted for branching since 2.0.2 ;) |
| 20:11.37 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:11.49 | JeffM2501 | may do some branching of my own here soon |
| 20:11.57 | Pimpinella | :/ |
| 20:12.13 | Tupone | brunch? |
| 20:12.18 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 20:12.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah the tree out front is prety big, have to trim it before it gets over the cars |
| 20:12.57 | CBG_ | brunch? at 9PM? that defeats the purpose, Tupone. |
| 20:13.26 | Pimpinella | mabe he's still brunching? |
| 20:13.32 | Tupone | I was talking for JeffM2501 |
| 20:13.41 | JeffM2501 | you can never have too much brunch! |
| 20:13.50 | CBG_ | Pf. |
| 20:14.00 | CBG_ | Brunch is only brunch at that time between brekky and lunch. |
| 20:14.21 | Tupone | Brunch include breakfast and lunch :) |
| 20:14.27 | CBG_ | If its not then, its not brunch. Its either lunch, dinner, tea, brekky or something entirely different. |
| 20:14.51 | Pimpinella | i once had a brunch that started at 9 am and ended at 6 am |
| 20:15.10 | Pimpinella | we decided to breakfast then |
| 20:15.13 | CBG_ | Then thats not just brunch. |
| 20:15.22 | CBG_ | That would be all the meals of the day... :) |
| 20:15.23 | Tupone | 21 hours? I wish I been there :) |
| 20:15.55 | Pimpinella | brundibreak |
| 20:17.56 | JeffM2501 | how does one undo a firewall block on debian? |
| 20:18.59 | Grumbler | iptables? |
| 20:19.24 | JeffM2501 | I guess so |
| 20:19.29 | JeffM2501 | what ever brlcad did to block fortix |
| 20:19.32 | JeffM2501 | I need to unblock it |
| 20:19.43 | CBG | Please do :) |
| 20:19.51 | JeffM2501 | david just fixed his page |
| 20:20.16 | Tupone | JeffM2501: do you have root priv ? |
| 20:20.20 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:20.29 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@24-159-197-101.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 20:20.41 | CBG | 'ello TD-Linux |
| 20:20.50 | Tupone | do you know iptable ? |
| 20:20.58 | TD-Linux | I do! |
| 20:21.06 | TD-Linux | kindof |
| 20:21.08 | Tupone | not asking you :) |
| 20:21.12 | TD-Linux | not reallly |
| 20:21.19 | TD-Linux | 'i CBG |
| 20:21.48 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, nope :) |
| 20:21.51 | JeffM2501 | no clue |
| 20:22.02 | Tupone | ok |
| 20:22.11 | Grumbler | iptables -n -v -L <- look for the fortix listing |
| 20:22.37 | Grumbler | that will tell you if it is in there |
| 20:23.24 | Grumbler | Tupone might know if there is a way to edit a specific entry......i usually flush the tables and then restore from a saved copy |
| 20:23.26 | JeffM2501 | anyone know what the fortix IP is? |
| 20:23.40 | brad2901 | ~dns fortix.bzflag.org |
| 20:23.57 | JeffM2501 | ok I see it |
| 20:24.02 | JeffM2501 | there is a log and a reject line |
| 20:24.10 | JeffM2501 | 17635 1058K LOG all -- * * 193.201.54.13 0.0.0.0/0 LOG flags 0 level 4 |
| 20:24.10 | JeffM2501 | 17635 1058K REJECT all -- * * 193.201.54.13 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-port-unreachable |
| 20:24.39 | Tupone | count the line from the beginning ... 1 is the first |
| 20:24.58 | Tupone | it is in the INPUT table ? |
| 20:25.21 | bryjen | iptables -L --line-numbers |
| 20:25.42 | Tupone | iptables -L INPUT -v --line-numbers |
| 20:25.43 | JeffM2501 | http://pastebin.com/376145 |
| 20:26.00 | Grumbler | you can also iptables-save > tmpfile (edit the file, remove the fortix lines) iptables -F;iptables-restore < tmpfile |
| 20:26.32 | *** part/#bzflag mmbm (n=mmbm@203-59-214-98.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 20:26.38 | Tupone | iptables -D INPUT 9 |
| 20:26.47 | Thumper_ | but... if the iptables lines are created in a script (run at startup) you'll need to find and edit that too - or it'll just come back on next reboot |
| 20:26.49 | Tupone | twice |
| 20:27.46 | Grumbler | yeah, thumper has a point, you can grep in /etc and find iptable references to see what file |
| 20:28.07 | JeffM2501 | huh what? |
| 20:28.10 | Tupone | /etc/init.d/iptables save |
| 20:28.31 | JeffM2501 | so I do the input 9 thing |
| 20:28.33 | JeffM2501 | then the save? |
| 20:28.36 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:28.40 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:28.41 | Tupone | before saving |
| 20:28.47 | Tupone | better a look again |
| 20:29.01 | Grumbler | oh they have a init.d now....hmm, havent looked there in awhile |
| 20:29.11 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, how bout this, you have sudo, can you do it:) |
| 20:29.15 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to screw it up |
| 20:29.19 | Tupone | ahh ok |
| 20:29.43 | Grumbler | ....and thats why i like working from a tmpfile.....mistakes easily corrected |
| 20:31.35 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I forget my password :/ could you change that ... |
| 20:31.43 | Grumbler | heh |
| 20:31.48 | JeffM2501 | again? |
| 20:31.54 | Tupone | yeah :( |
| 20:32.04 | Tupone | I use to enter with ssh keys |
| 20:32.17 | Tupone | you have sudo. you can change that |
| 20:33.04 | JeffM2501 | that I can |
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| 20:37.28 | Grumbler | yeah, i take that back iptables doesnt exist in init.d of my debian release |
| 20:37.41 | Grumbler | nice idea though |
| 20:37.47 | Thumper_ | it does on mine... |
| 20:38.26 | Grumbler | yep, not here on stable |
| 20:38.42 | Thumper_ | hmmm must have been a leftover from when I was running sid |
| 20:38.45 | Thumper_ | I'm on stable now. |
| 20:38.59 | Thumper_ | and it's not assigned to any package :/ |
| 20:39.56 | Grumbler | well, you can consider yourself lucky.......or unlucky.....depending on your view :) |
| 20:40.03 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 20:40.07 | Thumper_ | okay. |
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| 20:43.18 | Tupone | Sean has chosen not to use the init.d facility |
| 20:47.42 | Grumbler | choosen, or else he didnt get it like me :) |
| 20:47.54 | Tupone | the file is there |
| 20:48.11 | Tupone | but the directory where to save has not been built |
| 20:48.22 | Tupone | so he never used |
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| 20:51.17 | Pimpinella | Tupone: you mean the symlinks? |
| 20:51.48 | Tupone | dunno if that is a symlink or a true directory /var/lib/iptables |
| 20:51.59 | Tupone | he uses rc.iptables |
| 20:52.30 | menotume | ~trepan++ |
| 20:52.57 | menotume | Pimpinella: I changed DUB:59999 to use global (next time it is reset) |
| 20:53.07 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 20:53.24 | Pimpinella | i'll add inertia on release |
| 20:53.40 | Pimpinella | so players will blame 2.0.4 |
| 20:55.25 | yummy | Tupone: new rc5.tar.bz2 is fine. |
| 20:55.45 | Tupone | good to know |
| 20:56.19 | TD-Linux | ~bzfrag is <reply> $ident shoots while having Trigger Happy and narrowly misses $1, but hits $lastspeaker and tk's $who |
| 20:56.23 | ibot | ACTION blindsides is <reply> $ident shoots while having Trigger Happy and narrowly misses $1, but hits $lastspeaker and tk's $who with an invisible bullet |
| 20:56.36 | TD-Linux | ~bzfrag TimRiker |
| 20:56.38 | ibot | ACTION makes TimRiker feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 20:56.45 | Pimpinella | Tupone: what is rc.iptables? |
| 20:57.00 | Tupone | is a file that start iptables |
| 20:57.31 | Pimpinella | but not using init.d? |
| 20:57.42 | Tupone | not using it for iptables :/ |
| 20:57.57 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 20:58.02 | Tupone | I use the init.d method, dunno why Sean is using that |
| 20:58.28 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.151) |
| 21:02.10 | JeffM2501 | probably becuse that's own the fearless leader set it up :) |
| 21:02.10 | brlcad | so you all got it all figured out? ;) |
| 21:02.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:02.22 | JeffM2501 | david fixed fortix |
| 21:02.28 | brlcad | i see the entry is commented out |
| 21:02.35 | JeffM2501 | says it should be cool now, and he closes connections |
| 21:03.31 | brlcad | should be, it's a matter of simply editing /etc/rc.iptables, remove or comment his block line, and reload the tables (sudo /etc/rc.iptables) |
| 21:06.09 | Aribeth | :) |
| 21:19.07 | menotume | Pimpi for President ! |
| 21:22.13 | JeffM2501 | that would look good on a button |
| 21:22.55 | menotume | hehe |
| 21:25.02 | JeffM2501 | as long as a pink fuzzy hat was involved |
| 21:26.04 | uso | look into the rc.iptables if it flushes the filter chains, otherwise you have all the rules twice in the kernel after running it |
| 21:26.44 | uso | iptables -F or so |
| 21:28.53 | brlcad | uso: the script takes care of all of that |
| 21:29.10 | Tupone | brlcad: I saw that when I changed it :) |
| 21:29.36 | TD-Linux | wie ist mein Babel Fisch deutsch? |
| 21:29.59 | brlcad | plus that script easily converts to ipfw or ipchains |
| 21:30.01 | uso | ok, was only a hint as flushing is not necessarry at reboot |
| 21:30.51 | Tupone | brlcad: can you put some fancy rules within that script ? |
| 21:31.45 | brlcad | you could if you wanted, it's just a shell script |
| 21:31.49 | Tupone | yeah, reading that ... you could do whatever you want :) |
| 21:32.13 | brlcad | the point is just so that folks that don't know about ipchains/iptables/ipfw can just put a single line that says "block this ip" |
| 21:32.25 | brlcad | or "don't block this ip" if it's a whitelist |
| 21:32.56 | Tupone | I still prefer the init.d things, but is just me :) |
| 21:33.19 | Tupone | probably just used to |
| 21:33.30 | brlcad | probably ;) |
| 21:33.37 | uso | as you are going to branch so 2.0.4 is the last 2.0-release? |
| 21:33.51 | Tupone | uso: I don't think so |
| 21:33.56 | brlcad | that script isn't as advanced as some others i put together, but it gets the job done |
| 21:34.05 | Tupone | we could have some minor correction |
| 21:34.16 | Tupone | while we have a new branch |
| 21:34.42 | Tupone | like /countdown pause |
| 21:34.52 | JeffM2501 | trepan, why do we only do a stencel if we are in debug rendering? |
| 21:38.52 | trepan | you mean request it's depth? |
| 21:39.12 | uso | what does this mean: 4) Some changes to the jitter limits to make the mouse work a little better. |
| 21:39.31 | uso | somewhat contrary to the changelog: * Jitter compensation removed. Too bad behaviour on ME players - Tupone Alfredo |
| 21:40.12 | uso | never seen the mouse working bad :) |
| 21:40.31 | trepan | JeffM2501: the stencil needs to be >1bit for at least the depth complexity mode |
| 21:41.09 | uso | is there an explanation of this somewhere? |
| 21:44.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 21:45.02 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 21:46.23 | brlcad | uso: that's a rather long discussion/explanation |
| 21:46.52 | brlcad | jitter compensation without other limits on acceleration doesn't bode too well, otherwise jitter compensation helps |
| 21:46.53 | uso | one reason more to have it somewhere :) |
| 21:46.54 | brlcad | that's the jist |
| 21:48.36 | uso | ~x en de jist |
| 21:48.44 | uso | hmm |
| 21:48.51 | TD-Linux | what does -cacheout do? |
| 21:49.11 | TD-Linux | -cache and -cacheout need to be added to the bzfs man |
| 21:49.27 | trepan | Save the currently specified world into a binary cache file and exit. |
| 21:49.30 | bryjen | trades in your chips for money? |
| 21:49.41 | uso | brlcad: so it's completely new introduced between 2.0.2 and 2.0.4, not a correction of 2.0.2? |
| 21:49.43 | brlcad | s/jist/basic summary/ |
| 21:49.46 | trepan | TD-Linux: note the spaces... that's from the man page |
| 21:49.59 | uso | brlcad: thx |
| 21:50.03 | TD-Linux | oops... time to update cvs |
| 21:50.09 | *** part/#bzflag yummy (n=yummy@lns-p19-18-idf-82-65-119-218.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 21:50.13 | brlcad | uso: no it's not a 'correction' or bug fix of any sort.. just a behavior change in response to the accelerated input device debate/problem |
| 21:51.07 | brlcad | bryjen: bet you can't eat just one |
| 21:51.10 | TD-Linux | when I type 'man bzfs' it isn't there, what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:51.28 | bryjen | brlcad: stop mixing up my metaphors ;) |
| 21:51.32 | Tupone | TD-Linux: are you on windows ? |
| 21:51.34 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:51.38 | TD-Linux | guess... |
| 21:51.44 | Tupone | lol :) |
| 21:51.49 | Tupone | did you make install ? |
| 21:51.56 | TD-Linux | no... |
| 21:52.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:52.07 | uso | i know the debates everywhere, but don't understand what is introduced now, a acceleration limit for mouse like for the keyboard? |
| 21:52.09 | TD-Linux | I did it in the bzflag directory |
| 21:52.15 | Tupone | you can change MANPATH |
| 21:52.20 | Tupone | or make install |
| 21:52.22 | brlcad | TD-Linux: man doesn't work like that :) |
| 21:52.28 | bryjen | in the source dir do man man/bzfs.6 |
| 21:52.31 | TD-Linux | ok, I'm making and installing |
| 21:52.34 | brlcad | TD-Linux: try 'grotty bzfs' in the man dir |
| 21:52.35 | TD-Linux | have to make first |
| 21:52.47 | brlcad | er grotty bzfs.1 |
| 21:52.55 | bryjen | .6 ! |
| 21:52.59 | brlcad | or that :) |
| 21:53.03 | TD-Linux | man dir? I don't know much about my distro :( |
| 21:53.30 | uso | hehe, with that nickname :) |
| 21:53.39 | bryjen | don't go in the woman dir by accident ;) |
| 21:53.39 | Tupone | uso: jitter compensation was removed, until players are good to other, or server owner limit acceleration |
| 21:54.06 | brlcad | Tupone: i'm really surprised that actually helps the acceleration problem.. |
| 21:54.11 | JeffM2501 | trepan, what is zbuffersplit ? I don't ever see it inited |
| 21:54.27 | Tupone | jittered ME player ... look at those :) |
| 21:54.38 | JeffM2501 | if it's off, it looks like something wierd is done with the depth buffer ranges |
| 21:55.07 | trepan | JeffM2501: someone was trying to speed up clearing, from the looks of it |
| 21:55.15 | JeffM2501 | so it's not yours? |
| 21:55.16 | uso | Tupone: but it came into the tree AFTER 2.0.2 release and get removed before 2.0.4, so roughly said no change between 2.0.2 and 2.0.4? |
| 21:55.20 | trepan | hell no |
| 21:55.29 | JeffM2501 | dosn't look like it's ever used does it? |
| 21:55.30 | Tupone | uso: no |
| 21:55.42 | trepan | nope, thought about removing it myself a while ago |
| 21:55.46 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:55.49 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 21:56.01 | Tupone | it came on the 1.11 and went away about now |
| 21:56.41 | TD-Linux | my observer roaming mode seems to have momentum |
| 21:56.50 | orange | hit 'a' |
| 21:56.53 | uso | so 2.0.4 may react as directly like 1.10? wow |
| 21:56.54 | orange | to toggle |
| 21:57.03 | trepan | TD-Linux: it's the 'A', slow keyboard key |
| 21:57.14 | orange | trepan's bullet-time mod |
| 21:57.21 | TD-Linux | ok. fine now |
| 21:57.28 | trepan | it also affects tracking modes |
| 21:57.51 | TD-Linux | momentum is actually kind of nice, except when you try to tilt up and down ;) |
| 21:58.30 | Tupone | uso, is not the reaction, is just what you see about the other tank. I don't like but had to do. Server owner tolerates the ME players, so I should live with :/ |
| 21:59.16 | TD-Linux | wow, never realized how much code was in bzflag until I actually start browsing it |
| 22:00.20 | uso | hmm, i thought all the discussion of the advantages of the ME players were about 2.0.0/2.0.2 |
| 22:00.35 | Pimpinella | nite |
| 22:00.37 | uso | so they have just more advantages with 2.0.4, oops |
| 22:02.28 | Tupone | people could aim jittered ME player that better now, so some loose a little advantage. |
| 22:03.08 | uso | ah, now i probably caught it :) |
| 22:03.15 | uso | thanks tupone :) |
| 22:03.27 | Tupone | shot are not affected by jitter, so even if they have random position, their aim is good, and still is |
| 22:05.41 | uso | i anyway find mouse acceleration hard to control, my only "acceleration" is a 1600 dpi mouse, no further xset or so, that's enough for me |
| 22:06.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/debian/buildsnap: configure.ac now |
| 22:08.34 | uso | Tupone: last question: is this change in 2.0.4 server side or client? |
| 22:08.41 | Tupone | client side |
| 22:09.06 | uso | good |
| 22:09.57 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.151) |
| 22:10.22 | Tupone | I hope I can put jitter compensation back, when inertia and other parameter can be linked together server side |
| 22:12.55 | uso | hehe, inertia on server, i see the next discussion round ;) |
| 22:13.16 | *** join/#bzflag Rusure (n=410487fa@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:13.19 | Rusure | hi |
| 22:13.27 | Rusure | hi |
| 22:14.21 | uso | iptable changes are working, fortix is up again |
| 22:16.26 | *** join/#bzflag Eragon (n=410487fa@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:16.39 | Eragon | hey i need some help on my server |
| 22:17.10 | trepan | oh, you want the pre-packaged 'help in a box' section then |
| 22:17.12 | Eragon | i just went to a froum and had a ERAGON.ADMIN and a ERAGON.cop made |
| 22:17.32 | Eragon | and i wanna know how to access it |
| 22:17.38 | Eragon | and put callsings in |
| 22:18.43 | Eragon | any one jnow what i'm talking about? |
| 22:19.01 | JeffM2501 | there is a button |
| 22:19.03 | JeffM2501 | in bzbb |
| 22:19.06 | JeffM2501 | at the top of the page |
| 22:19.14 | JeffM2501 | that says "usergroups" |
| 22:19.16 | JeffM2501 | click it |
| 22:19.23 | JeffM2501 | then you'll see the list of groups you can modify |
| 22:19.24 | Eragon | ohhh ok thnx so much |
| 22:19.25 | JeffM2501 | pick one |
| 22:19.28 | JeffM2501 | add users... |
| 22:20.18 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 22:22.31 | Eragon | oh ok i see now how do i modify the abilities |
| 22:23.20 | *** join/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=Ice_Wewe@ppp-216-106-103-164.storm.ca) |
| 22:23.26 | JeffM2501 | on your server |
| 22:23.32 | JeffM2501 | make a groups file |
| 22:23.35 | Ice_Wewe | what is the text command (for the map) that is dead |
| 22:23.38 | Ice_Wewe | death* |
| 22:23.41 | JeffM2501 | set in there what you want each group to have permision wise |
| 22:23.42 | Ice_Wewe | like you touch it and die |
| 22:23.56 | JeffM2501 | then tell bzfs to use that file for it's groups -groupdb (IIRC) |
| 22:24.03 | JeffM2501 | there is a simple groups file in the man page |
| 22:24.08 | JeffM2501 | and in the misc IIRC |
| 22:24.22 | Eragon | how do i tell bzfs to use the groups |
| 22:24.25 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: do you know the line for touch and die? |
| 22:24.37 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, it's a phisics driver |
| 22:24.40 | trepan | Eragon: -groupdb <filename> |
| 22:24.46 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, read the manpage |
| 22:24.47 | Eragon | ok |
| 22:24.48 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: is there a wiki map with that in it? |
| 22:24.53 | JeffM2501 | no there is a manual |
| 22:24.55 | trepan | the example is misc/group.conf |
| 22:24.58 | Eragon | whats the first Eragon for? |
| 22:24.59 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok |
| 22:25.15 | JeffM2501 | Eragon, you need 2 things |
| 22:25.25 | JeffM2501 | 1 a file that has the group permisions in it ( what group can do what ) |
| 22:25.31 | Aribeth | hiya trepan |
| 22:25.33 | Eragon | cop |
| 22:25.35 | JeffM2501 | and 2, tell bzfs how to use that file |
| 22:25.43 | Eragon | ohh ok |
| 22:25.47 | trepan | greetings Aribeth |
| 22:25.50 | JeffM2501 | for #1 check the /misc dir for a sample groups file |
| 22:26.01 | Eragon | do i set up the file on notepad (or any texteditor? |
| 22:26.04 | JeffM2501 | for #2 do what trepan said, to tell your server what file to ese |
| 22:26.08 | JeffM2501 | yes it's a text file |
| 22:26.14 | JeffM2501 | open the sample |
| 22:26.17 | JeffM2501 | it will make sense |
| 22:26.20 | JeffM2501 | it's very simple |
| 22:26.24 | Eragon | ok |
| 22:27.18 | Eragon | ok so i type -group db in my conf file right |
| 22:27.58 | JeffM2501 | no, read what we type |
| 22:28.02 | JeffM2501 | exactly what we type |
| 22:28.53 | Eragon | thats what you typed |
| 22:29.09 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:29.17 | JeffM2501 | <trepan> Eragon: -groupdb <filename> |
| 22:29.38 | Eragon | ok |
| 22:29.55 | Eragon | i can't just type Eragon before it |
| 22:30.45 | Eragon | ohh you mean type -groupdb <ERAGON.COP? |
| 22:30.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:30.58 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 22:31.03 | JeffM2501 | you need to listen to what we say |
| 22:31.07 | JeffM2501 | first you need a file |
| 22:31.10 | JeffM2501 | that says what groups do what |
| 22:31.14 | JeffM2501 | that is your group file |
| 22:31.14 | Eragon | yeah |
| 22:31.17 | Eragon | i know |
| 22:31.19 | JeffM2501 | have you made that file? |
| 22:31.26 | Eragon | not yet |
| 22:31.33 | JeffM2501 | well once you make that file |
| 22:31.33 | Eragon | i making sure i have this |
| 22:31.40 | JeffM2501 | what ever you name that file |
| 22:31.40 | Eragon | straight |
| 22:31.45 | JeffM2501 | mygroups.txt or what ever |
| 22:31.54 | JeffM2501 | you put that in the config |
| 22:31.57 | JeffM2501 | for the filename |
| 22:32.00 | JeffM2501 | on the -groupdb |
| 22:32.08 | Eragon | ohh ok |
| 22:32.10 | JeffM2501 | so it would be -groupdb mygroups.txt |
| 22:32.19 | JeffM2501 | then in the text file |
| 22:32.19 | Eragon | ok |
| 22:32.21 | Eragon | got it |
| 22:32.23 | JeffM2501 | you would have entrys for each group |
| 22:32.28 | JeffM2501 | with what perms they get |
| 22:32.32 | Eragon | ok |
| 22:33.03 | Eragon | ohh so i assign perms for each person individually or or eah group |
| 22:33.56 | JeffM2501 | for the group |
| 22:34.00 | Eragon | ok |
| 22:34.01 | JeffM2501 | each group gets a permision set |
| 22:34.07 | JeffM2501 | that is why it's called the GROUP db |
| 22:34.10 | JeffM2501 | not the user db |
| 22:34.20 | Eragon | what should the format of the file be? i mean like how do i wrie it |
| 22:34.28 | JeffM2501 | the same as the sample |
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| 22:34.34 | Eragon | ok |
| 22:34.35 | JeffM2501 | that's why we said to look at the sample |
| 22:34.38 | JeffM2501 | and the manual |
| 22:34.43 | Eragon | sample? |
| 22:34.43 | JeffM2501 | the manual has all the info |
| 22:34.47 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:34.52 | JeffM2501 | the sample in /misc |
| 22:34.58 | JeffM2501 | of the source distrobution |
| 22:36.13 | *** join/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=Ice_Wewe@ppp-216-106-103-164.storm.ca) |
| 22:36.17 | Ice_Wewe | hey JeffM2501 |
| 22:36.19 | Eragon | whats /misc? |
| 22:36.24 | JeffM2501 | a directory |
| 22:36.25 | Ice_Wewe | how do I set where the server spawns? |
| 22:36.29 | JeffM2501 | in the source distroubtion |
| 22:36.38 | Ice_Wewe | I don't want it to spawn tanks on the drive through water and die |
| 22:36.41 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, you mean where playes spawn? |
| 22:36.51 | JeffM2501 | then you add spawn zones |
| 22:36.56 | JeffM2501 | read the bzw manual |
| 22:36.58 | Ice_Wewe | so how do I set it so players only spawn on building that aren't drivethough |
| 22:37.04 | JeffM2501 | YOU READ THE MANUAL |
| 22:37.14 | trepan | it's automatic |
| 22:37.19 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501; your kidding, I have to make a spawn zone above every island? |
| 22:37.25 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, no |
| 22:37.35 | JeffM2501 | by default it won't spawn someone on death |
| 22:37.46 | JeffM2501 | if you wish to controll exactly where they spawn, you make zones |
| 22:37.49 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: the death area is under the water |
| 22:38.02 | JeffM2501 | it should know that |
| 22:38.16 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok, I'll give it a try... brb |
| 22:38.39 | JeffM2501 | is there something in the koolaid? |
| 22:38.48 | JeffM2501 | should there be somethign in the koolaid? |
| 22:39.27 | Eragon | where do i go to get to /misc |
| 22:39.43 | JeffM2501 | in the source code distroubtion |
| 22:39.49 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? how did you get bzflag? |
| 22:39.59 | trepan | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/misc/groups.conf?rev=2.5&view=auto |
| 22:40.09 | trepan | that's the groups.conf file from misc |
| 22:40.17 | JeffM2501 | that is from current CVS |
| 22:40.59 | trepan | Eragon: what bzfs version are you using? |
| 22:43.18 | trepan | Ice_Wewe: from your desc. of your map, you probably want zones on every island |
| 22:43.30 | Eragon | i donno |
| 22:43.34 | Eragon | just bzfs |
| 22:43.39 | trepan | excessive spawn calculations times can caused air spawns |
| 22:43.49 | trepan | Eragon: try: bzfs -version |
| 22:43.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (data/Makefile.am misc/Makefile.am src/c-ares/Makefile.am): automake missing files |
| 22:44.03 | Eragon | where do i type that? |
| 22:44.39 | Aribeth | Ergon, what OS? |
| 22:44.49 | JeffM2501 | you guys have to ask? |
| 22:44.57 | Aribeth | :P |
| 22:45.07 | JeffM2501 | what version of windows are you on? |
| 22:45.15 | JeffM2501 | and where did you get bzfs? |
| 22:45.17 | Aribeth | i wasnt privy to the whole conversation |
| 22:45.24 | Eragon | windows xp |
| 22:45.31 | Eragon | and suse |
| 22:45.34 | Eragon | i have both |
| 22:45.43 | JeffM2501 | what are you using? |
| 22:45.46 | JeffM2501 | for your server |
| 22:45.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/geometry/Makefile.am: sorted would be nice |
| 22:45.54 | Eragon | windows |
| 22:46.00 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 22:46.07 | Eragon | windows is fine |
| 22:46.12 | JeffM2501 | no, no really |
| 22:46.19 | JeffM2501 | you do know it has a connection limit right? |
| 22:46.36 | Eragon | no |
| 22:46.39 | Eragon | i didn't |
| 22:46.40 | JeffM2501 | 10 |
| 22:46.42 | Aribeth | it does |
| 22:46.45 | JeffM2501 | XP is not a server OS |
| 22:46.52 | JeffM2501 | it will not let you have more then 10 connections open |
| 22:46.53 | Eragon | oh that kind of limit |
| 22:46.58 | JeffM2501 | by defualt |
| 22:47.06 | Eragon | and ur point is... |
| 22:47.21 | Eragon | i don't plan to have a big server |
| 22:47.25 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:47.27 | JeffM2501 | just so you know |
| 22:47.32 | JeffM2501 | well you don't have source |
| 22:47.48 | JeffM2501 | so you have to ether browse CVS on the web ( the link trepan sent you) |
| 22:47.52 | JeffM2501 | or get the soruce |
| 22:48.08 | Eragon | CVS???? |
| 22:48.11 | JeffM2501 | now, did you get the version from bzbb? or from the SF downloads site |
| 22:48.50 | Eragon | umm |
| 22:48.58 | Eragon | bzflag.com i think |
| 22:49.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/Makefile.am: someone might want these |
| 22:49.13 | JeffM2501 | so you are probably on 2.0.2 |
| 22:49.19 | Eragon | yeah i am |
| 22:49.27 | Eragon | is there a higher BZFlag? |
| 22:49.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:49.36 | Eragon | oh |
| 22:49.41 | JeffM2501 | we just released bzflag 2.0.4rc5 today |
| 22:49.43 | Eragon | that was the newest i saw |
| 22:49.47 | Eragon | cool! |
| 22:49.51 | trepan | 2.0.2 has the * groupdb operator, that groups.conf should be fine |
| 22:49.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/.cvsignore: but not these |
| 22:50.01 | Eragon | whats better about the newer |
| 22:50.07 | JeffM2501 | many things |
| 22:50.13 | JeffM2501 | it's only on the bzbb tho |
| 22:50.16 | JeffM2501 | not on SF yet |
| 22:50.20 | Eragon | ok |
| 22:50.21 | JeffM2501 | as it is just a candidate |
| 22:50.24 | JeffM2501 | not a done release |
| 22:50.35 | Eragon | u mean my.bzflag.org/bb? |
| 22:50.35 | JeffM2501 | use that sample file to show you how to make your file |
| 22:50.38 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:50.47 | Eragon | ]wheres the sample file |
| 22:51.03 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM2501 | scroll up and see where trepan linked it to you |
| 22:51.16 | JeffM2501 | you have to pay attention |
| 22:51.19 | Eragon | i did |
| 22:51.23 | JeffM2501 | do your parents know your running a server? |
| 22:51.29 | Eragon | my bro keeps bugging me |
| 22:51.32 | Eragon | yes |
| 22:52.56 | Eragon | ok i got it |
| 22:55.23 | Eragon | thnx for the help |
| 22:55.37 | Eragon | u helped a lot |
| 22:55.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:56.38 | Eragon | haha sry i am hard to be pateint with |
| 22:56.43 | Eragon | but |
| 22:56.47 | Eragon | i'm only 13 |
| 22:56.55 | Eragon | take that into account |
| 22:57.01 | Eragon | lol |
| 22:57.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (15 files in 5 dirs): some README.txt consistancy |
| 22:57.36 | JeffM2501 | age maters not |
| 22:57.44 | Aribeth | ;) |
| 22:57.55 | Eragon | lol |
| 22:58.04 | Eragon | hi |
| 22:58.05 | JeffM2501 | nothing like a release push to bring timmy out :) |
| 22:58.08 | Eragon | oh |
| 22:58.29 | SportyGal | hi all |
| 22:58.33 | Aribeth | hi SportyGal |
| 22:58.35 | Eragon | y is there all the /me and /say commands like on BZ? |
| 22:59.00 | SportyGal | Eragon: bz is like irc - they were here first |
| 22:59.16 | Eragon | ? |
| 22:59.23 | JeffM2501 | Eragon, because we saw them in IRC and thought it would be nice in bz |
| 22:59.38 | Eragon | ohh |
| 22:59.42 | Eragon | thats cool |
| 22:59.54 | Eragon | i thought they were made for the game |
| 22:59.58 | Eragon | cool |
| 23:00.09 | Eragon | i love to mess around with pc's |
| 23:00.09 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 23:00.31 | Eragon | any 1 no a job where you get to do nothing but mkess /w pc's? |
| 23:01.01 | JeffM2501 | I'd say finish school and english classes before you worry about the job |
| 23:01.32 | Eragon | lol |
| 23:01.38 | Aribeth | ~jeffM2501++ |
| 23:01.55 | Eragon | i have the highest English grade in the HONORS english class :) |
| 23:02.01 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 23:02.08 | Eragon | yep |
| 23:02.10 | JeffM2501 | then how about you TRY typing all the letters in a word |
| 23:02.14 | Eragon | i'm serious |
| 23:02.20 | Eragon | lol |
| 23:02.20 | trepan | JeffM2501: the irony ;) |
| 23:02.25 | Eragon | haha |
| 23:02.25 | JeffM2501 | Eragon, so am I |
| 23:02.27 | Eragon | naw |
| 23:05.38 | Eragon | the simpsons are on! |
| 23:05.49 | Aribeth | ewww |
| 23:05.52 | Aribeth | :P |
| 23:05.52 | Eragon | they r soo funny |
| 23:05.57 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 23:06.00 | JeffM2501 | go watch them then |
| 23:06.03 | JeffM2501 | you don't need our permision |
| 23:06.20 | Aribeth | now Serinety, thats something to look forward to |
| 23:06.37 | JeffM2501 | that is worth taking time off work for :) |
| 23:06.57 | Aribeth | :) |
| 23:07.42 | Aribeth | i think FireFly was ahead of its time |
| 23:07.57 | Eragon | lol |
| 23:08.01 | Eragon | yeah |
| 23:08.27 | Eragon | oh sry for messing up IRC with talk about TV |
| 23:08.27 | JeffM2501 | do you really laugh out loud every time you type that? |
| 23:08.33 | Eragon | yeah |
| 23:08.35 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: 2 s's in permission ;) |
| 23:08.46 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, where? |
| 23:09.12 | Thumper_ | <@JeffM2501> you don't need our permision |
| 23:09.16 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:09.22 | JeffM2501 | everyone knows I failed english |
| 23:09.25 | Thumper_ | lol |
| 23:09.58 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 23:10.04 | JeffM2501 | just do see the damn movie :) |
| 23:11.30 | Thumper_ | is there something strange with lagwarn/kicks? |
| 23:11.43 | Thumper_ | changing the /lagwarn value way up doesn't seem to make much difference |
| 23:11.57 | Thumper_ | server is started with 300ms lagwarn and lagdrop of 3 ... and people are kicke |
| 23:12.00 | Thumper_ | +d |
| 23:12.11 | Thumper_ | so I do /lagwarn 10000 ... and they're still kicked... |
| 23:12.48 | Thumper_ | does changing it really work during the game? or is it just at client connection time that the value take effect? I'm confused. |
| 23:13.09 | blast007 | the lag warn/kick is server side |
| 23:13.27 | JeffM2501 | it is all server side |
| 23:13.38 | JeffM2501 | you should be able to change it at any time |
| 23:13.47 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | it may it may not |
| 23:14.23 | Thumper_ | blech. server is full. |
| 23:14.36 | Thumper_ | not enough observer slots. :( |
| 23:16.09 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.11 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.21 | Thumper_ | so technically I shouldn't get anymore lag kicks right? |
| 23:16.36 | JeffM2501 | asuming the value is used the way you think |
| 23:16.41 | Thumper_ | highest connnect lag value is 956+1ms |
| 23:16.55 | Thumper_ | hmmm what other way might it be used? :) |
| 23:17.00 | JeffM2501 | in a wrong way |
| 23:18.20 | JeffM2501 | well that just sets the bzdb var |
| 23:18.26 | JeffM2501 | let me see where that us used |
| 23:18.51 | JeffM2501 | wait |
| 23:18.59 | JeffM2501 | is it /set lagwarn? or just /lagwarn? |
| 23:19.16 | blast007 | just /lagwarn |
| 23:19.40 | blast007 | although if it's a bzdb var, it could be done with /set too |
| 23:20.31 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 23:20.46 | JeffM2501 | but, I see an issue with it |
| 23:21.02 | JeffM2501 | it's used to init the LagInfo data |
| 23:21.03 | JeffM2501 | once |
| 23:21.06 | JeffM2501 | at startup :) |
| 23:21.42 | blast007 | ah :) |
| 23:21.49 | JeffM2501 | as far as I can tell, that command dosn't actualy DO anything except set a variable that will never be used again |
| 23:25.31 | JeffM2501 | I fixed it |
| 23:25.37 | JeffM2501 | but in the worng source tree :) |
| 23:26.44 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, so no, it does not work, lagwarn is only set at startup |
| 23:27.08 | Thumper_ | ok :) |
| 23:27.16 | Thumper_ | thanks. that's what it looked like to me... |
| 23:27.18 | JeffM2501 | I am working on fixing it now |
| 23:27.24 | Thumper_ | but then I could have been losing my mind. |
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| 23:27.33 | JeffM2501 | did it EVER work? |
| 23:27.50 | Thumper_ | don't think so - or at least I've never seen it |
| 23:27.51 | Thumper_ | working |
| 23:27.59 | Thumper_ | since my setting... |
| 23:28.03 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:28.18 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.24 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing it worked at one point, then who ever added laginfo didn't know it could be realtime set |
| 23:28.39 | Thumper_ | I thought it worked ages ago... |
| 23:28.44 | Thumper_ | like in 1.8 or 1.10... |
| 23:29.45 | JeffM2501 | there never was a real 1.8 :) |
| 23:30.38 | Thumper_ | um ok 1.7 (whatever it was :) |
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| 23:33.48 | bz4036 | greetings |
| 23:39.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: when you call /lagwarn, set the variable that is used, not justthe one in the command line options. |
| 23:40.02 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: so I have to wait 5 hrs for sourceforge CVS to catch up? |
| 23:40.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:40.22 | Thumper_ | not that that is a problem or anything |
| 23:40.31 | JeffM2501 | if you have source I can tell you what to change |
| 23:40.34 | JeffM2501 | it's ReALY easy |
| 23:40.35 | Thumper_ | ok I won't upgrade my servers until tomorrow then :) |
| 23:40.42 | Thumper_ | ok I have source... |
| 23:41.06 | Thumper_ | what file... |
| 23:41.07 | Thumper_ | ? |
| 23:41.18 | JeffM2501 | commands.cxx |
| 23:41.26 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 23:41.27 | Thumper_ | line # |
| 23:41.29 | JeffM2501 | find LagWarnCommand::operator() |
| 23:41.34 | JeffM2501 | should be about line 1184 |
| 23:41.43 | JeffM2501 | at the end of that function |
| 23:41.44 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 23:41.47 | JeffM2501 | before the sendMessage(ServerPlayer, t, reply); |
| 23:41.47 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.51 | JeffM2501 | add |
| 23:41.52 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.24 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.24 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.24 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.26 | Thumper_ | like that? |
| 23:42.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:42.41 | Thumper_ | ok thx. :) |
| 23:43.55 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:51.33 | brlcad | *gasp* .. Aribeth doesn't like the Simpsons?! |
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| 23:55.32 | Aribeth | i prefer to call them the symtoms :P |
| 23:57.19 | brlcad | shun! |
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