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| 00:07.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: don't stall against the roam floor |
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| 00:48.29 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 00:48.32 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 72°F. |
| 00:48.51 | RPG_ | !weather 60137 |
| 00:48.55 | TheLastSpartan | RPG_: The current temperature in Glen Ellyn, Illinois (60137) is 65°F. |
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| 01:10.17 | RPG_ | Happy belated birthday SportChick! |
| 01:11.48 | Aribeth | hi SportChick |
| 01:13.12 | SportChick | RPG_: thanks |
| 01:13.13 | SportChick | Aribeth: hi |
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| 01:22.43 | Mr_Molez | does anyone know how to enable/use vocaliser ? |
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| 01:40.18 | Mr_Molez | jeff how do you enable/use vocaliser ? |
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| 01:50.42 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do what you think it does anymore |
| 01:51.00 | JeffM2501 | playing remote sounds proved to be unstable |
| 01:51.41 | Mr_Molez | darn |
| 01:54.30 | Mr_Molez | warning meshtransform : tool :tool() 2.0 inversion bug |
| 01:54.53 | Mr_Molez | most likely cause is a spin transformation |
| 01:55.13 | Mr_Molez | although it does nothing bad (nor can i notice anything happening in bzflag, just a console output) |
| 01:56.27 | JeffM2501 | the map is doing a spin transform, yet not all versions suport it yet |
| 01:56.39 | Mr_Molez | ahh, not a bug. ok :) |
| 01:56.54 | JeffM2501 | it is a warning |
| 01:56.57 | JeffM2501 | as it says |
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| 02:11.23 | Roxport | hello |
| 02:11.42 | Quol | hello |
| 02:13.35 | Roxport | i'm running bzfs on my windows xp computer (i know - first mistake), and i'm running into performance issues |
| 02:13.48 | Roxport | i thought bzfs was not supposed to take so many CPU cycles |
| 02:16.01 | Roxport | but it's taking up about 99% under the "CPU" column of WIndows Task Mgr |
| 02:16.35 | Mr_Molez | Roxport: have you tried a different version of bzfs ? maybe there are issues with the one you have ? |
| 02:17.44 | Roxport | ah that could be... i'm running an older one, 1.10.6 |
| 02:17.52 | JeffM2501 | yes older ones had problems |
| 02:18.02 | JeffM2501 | 1.10.x is VERY old |
| 02:18.12 | Roxport | it runs fine for about 13 minutes, i mean it runs really good. but then it slows down. if i restart server, fine for 13 minutes (repeat |
| 02:18.26 | JeffM2501 | yes, upgrade |
| 02:18.32 | Roxport | can you recommend a stable non 2.0 version (the guys i play with don't like 2.0) |
| 02:18.35 | JeffM2501 | we have fixed many bugs in the 2-3 years since that was made |
| 02:18.39 | Roxport | ahhhhhhhh |
| 02:18.51 | JeffM2501 | there is no good 1.10 version |
| 02:18.59 | Roxport | ha ha lol |
| 02:19.01 | JeffM2501 | we moved from it right to 2.0 |
| 02:19.15 | Mr_Molez | Roxport: try 10.8 |
| 02:19.18 | JeffM2501 | you can set 2.0 to run just like 1.10 |
| 02:19.25 | Roxport | 2.0.2 ? |
| 02:19.28 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, that didn't fix the server bugs |
| 02:19.29 | Roxport | or just 2.0 |
| 02:19.42 | JeffM2501 | we are now on 2.0.4rc2 |
| 02:19.58 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 02:20.13 | JeffM2501 | what do they not like about 2.0.x? |
| 02:20.21 | Roxport | molez: will do, then will try 2.0 |
| 02:20.29 | Roxport | man, i don't know. i like it just fine. |
| 02:20.55 | Roxport | it's because they are set in their ways, the would hate getting used to new environment. |
| 02:20.57 | JeffM2501 | they probalbly just don't like wings |
| 02:21.05 | Roxport | ha ha. |
| 02:21.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy a new environment |
| 02:21.10 | JeffM2501 | it plays the same |
| 02:21.11 | Mr_Molez | i didn't like 2.0 at first, it just seemed different, but i got to like it |
| 02:21.21 | JeffM2501 | what is difrent about it? |
| 02:21.23 | JeffM2501 | the logo? |
| 02:21.27 | JeffM2501 | a new flag or 3 |
| 02:21.27 | Roxport | we usually just play random ctf board, no flags, jump, 3 shots, 2 teams |
| 02:21.35 | JeffM2501 | then it should play just the same |
| 02:21.40 | Mr_Molez | nah the gfx seemed different even on ducati style |
| 02:21.48 | JeffM2501 | the defaults were increased |
| 02:21.53 | JeffM2501 | you can allways use the old textures |
| 02:21.58 | Roxport | what is ducati style? i've heard people talking about it before. |
| 02:21.58 | JeffM2501 | and set it back down to "medium" |
| 02:22.10 | Mr_Molez | Roxport: 2 shots, ctf, no jump, rico, no flags |
| 02:22.11 | JeffM2501 | low shots, no jump |
| 02:22.28 | Roxport | is that on the client end? (gfx: medium setting) |
| 02:22.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:22.34 | Mr_Molez | Roxport: probably the most popular style |
| 02:22.38 | Roxport | ahhh |
| 02:22.40 | JeffM2501 | there are many many new options you can set |
| 02:22.52 | JeffM2501 | but they are all options |
| 02:22.57 | JeffM2501 | you can turn them off |
| 02:23.14 | Roxport | sounds like i should play around with 2.0, any version that has server more stable than my current one |
| 02:23.15 | JeffM2501 | or just grab textures from 1.10 and replace the new 2.0 ones |
| 02:23.25 | JeffM2501 | Roxport, use the current RC |
| 02:23.25 | Roxport | can do that under win? |
| 02:23.40 | JeffM2501 | but note, XP has a limit to the number of connections it can serve |
| 02:23.41 | JeffM2501 | as an OX |
| 02:23.45 | JeffM2501 | OS |
| 02:23.45 | Roxport | grab textures... |
| 02:23.47 | Roxport | i mean |
| 02:24.18 | Quol | Roxport: it is limited to 10 concurrent connections (XP that is) |
| 02:24.22 | JeffM2501 | hell you could make a map that used old textures and new BZ would auto download them and only use em for that map :) |
| 02:24.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:24.30 | Roxport | oh i see |
| 02:24.37 | JeffM2501 | unless you change the registry and some config files |
| 02:24.41 | JeffM2501 | XP is not a server OS |
| 02:24.53 | JeffM2501 | 2kserver and server 2k3 work fine tho |
| 02:25.17 | Quol | I freaked out when I saw that "jumping islands" map |
| 02:25.30 | JeffM2501 | meshes are fun :) |
| 02:25.42 | Quol | amazing - with those warps that jump you across the islands, the pirate chips in the water - the water itself - really nice |
| 02:26.15 | Roxport | 2.0: when change jump to spacebar, it keeps buffering jumps upon holding down spacebar. |
| 02:26.18 | JeffM2501 | just a map maker who knows his stuff |
| 02:26.20 | Mr_Molez | Quol: you seen that raining frogs yet , or the mirror floor; they are cool ;) |
| 02:27.33 | Quol | Mr_Molez: ya - but I turn all that stuff off cause my machine can't take it :) |
| 02:27.48 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 02:28.31 | Mr_Molez | vista will be the release name :P |
| 02:28.35 | Roxport | QUol still use 1.x.x ? |
| 02:28.42 | JeffM2501 | the 64 bit fight is over |
| 02:28.48 | JeffM2501 | intel lost |
| 02:29.33 | Quol | Mr_Molez: I don't know - they have changed it before - remeber win2000 (codename whatever, then NT5, then win2000), same with 2003 (codename -> .net server -> 2003 |
| 02:30.14 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 02:30.30 | Quol | JeffM2501: yes and no - apple just signed a huge deal with intel, by 2007, no more power PC - only intel Macs, and all 64 bit - there is still more to come I think |
| 02:30.31 | Roxport | In 2.0, is it possible to drop flag over pyramid to drop in the middle of the board? |
| 02:30.51 | JeffM2501 | tests have shown that unless an app is totaly optimised for 64 and needs assloads of ram, it runs a little faster in 32 bit windows on a AMD64 |
| 02:31.05 | Mr_Molez | Roxport: yeh |
| 02:31.19 | JeffM2501 | Quol, yes, and it's going to be all the AMD spec 64 bit arch |
| 02:31.24 | JeffM2501 | not the itanuum stuff |
| 02:31.41 | JeffM2501 | apple stated high end machines will have PPC for many years now |
| 02:31.50 | JeffM2501 | but I mean do you use a mac? |
| 02:31.59 | JeffM2501 | if so then your upgrade otpions are way limited anyway :) |
| 02:32.09 | Quol | JeffM2501: yes - but as history has shown - it's not always the best that wins -beta vs VHS, our TV versus HDTV right at the beggining...there most be more examples |
| 02:32.22 | JeffM2501 | dell droped itanoum |
| 02:32.30 | JeffM2501 | intel has made there first AMD compatble chips |
| 02:32.45 | JeffM2501 | vista is only going to be AMD64 compatable |
| 02:33.01 | Mr_Molez | only ? |
| 02:33.03 | Quol | yup - that's true...Dell droped itanium? wow, I thought they still had itanuim2 server available |
| 02:33.07 | JeffM2501 | for 64 |
| 02:33.19 | JeffM2501 | it'll run on normal x86 too |
| 02:33.27 | Quol | well - the beta is both - I have it running on both at present |
| 02:33.39 | JeffM2501 | nope, they only do the new zeono emt64 stuff |
| 02:33.56 | JeffM2501 | they have been making noises about droping the itanium |
| 02:34.01 | JeffM2501 | the chips just cost too much |
| 02:34.08 | JeffM2501 | and don';t have a good upgrade path for apps |
| 02:34.24 | Quol | ahh - could be for the release candidate that they will just choose AMD64... |
| 02:34.25 | JeffM2501 | they will stay alive but be relegated to specalised uses |
| 02:34.33 | Quol | intereseting - didn't know some of that - thanks Jeff |
| 02:34.40 | JeffM2501 | I just got a dual core AMD |
| 02:34.44 | JeffM2501 | it huals butt |
| 02:35.15 | JeffM2501 | we have been hearing nothing bug bugs in the EMT64 stuff too |
| 02:35.28 | JeffM2501 | intel known knows how AMD felt when they had to RE stuff :) |
| 02:35.37 | Quol | JeffM2501: you see this: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html |
| 02:36.00 | JeffM2501 | yes hat was a big todo |
| 02:36.09 | JeffM2501 | it's all normal x96 stuff |
| 02:36.13 | JeffM2501 | x86 stuff |
| 02:36.19 | Quol | I remember the little wanna be K5 processors from AMD - they sucked..the k6 and k62 is where it all started |
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| 02:36.46 | JeffM2501 | the athalon 64's are great processors |
| 02:37.10 | Quol | ya - we have a cluster of them at my work - major number crunching - they are great |
| 02:37.13 | Roxport1 | b |
| 02:37.16 | JeffM2501 | apple is using intel for there pentium M stuff |
| 02:37.17 | JeffM2501 | a good CPU |
| 02:37.26 | JeffM2501 | not for the high end P4 stuff |
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| 02:37.41 | JeffM2501 | IBM didn't have a good roadmap for low power chips |
| 02:37.59 | Roxport1 | dangit, keep losing my dsl con |
| 02:38.00 | Quol | I was surprised to hear them sign on with Intel though - IBM/motorolla must be depressed |
| 02:38.06 | JeffM2501 | and it will give them a dual boot solution that will help marketing |
| 02:38.20 | JeffM2501 | motorola dosn't make PPCs anymore |
| 02:38.22 | JeffM2501 | hasn't for years |
| 02:38.26 | JeffM2501 | it's all IBM |
| 02:38.37 | JeffM2501 | motorola found more money in phones |
| 02:38.40 | bryjen | ibm's getting into those game consoles |
| 02:38.47 | Quol | ya - they are almost one and the same though - IBM mostly took them over didn't they? |
| 02:38.54 | JeffM2501 | IBM will sell CPUs to who ever wants em |
| 02:39.00 | bryjen | that's where their chips are going anyway |
| 02:39.20 | JeffM2501 | no motorola is still a fine company, I belive they sold there PPC assets to ibm when they got out tho |
| 02:39.33 | Mr_Molez | + |
| 02:39.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah in the 360 |
| 02:39.37 | Quol | what's IBm going to call their 'x-box', and will it run on OS2 is what I want to know :) |
| 02:39.45 | JeffM2501 | apple needs cheap hardware now, IBM is going for power |
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| 02:39.52 | bryjen | there's a spin-off company from Moto, FreeScale |
| 02:40.00 | JeffM2501 | apple needs to ride the ipod wave to more PC marketshare |
| 02:40.23 | JeffM2501 | the mini showed a chap mac could sell |
| 02:40.34 | JeffM2501 | but they can't fit a G5 in a mini case |
| 02:40.40 | JeffM2501 | so they had to look at other CPUs |
| 02:40.59 | JeffM2501 | the g4 arch is geting stretched thin |
| 02:41.10 | JeffM2501 | it's just a G3 with altivec |
| 02:41.25 | JeffM2501 | kinda like a P3 is a p2 with some addons |
| 02:41.53 | Quol | yup - they have to get their price down - I think it makes sense....I am just waiting for sun to announce that they aren't building their chips anymore too - they were flirting with that a while back and there was talk about Intel Only solaris future |
| 02:42.15 | JeffM2501 | didn't that happen allready? |
| 02:42.48 | Quol | no - they are still making their processors - but also selling Intel servers - but it's not Intel only.. |
| 02:42.53 | bryjen | no, hp stopped doing chips and signed up for an Itanic cruise |
| 02:42.55 | Quol | and intel just for the really low end |
| 02:43.46 | bryjen | killed their pa-risc and digital/compaq's alpha |
| 02:44.43 | Quol | alpha's been dead for a while - poor alpha |
| 02:46.19 | purple_cow | Quol: most of sun's business nowadays is opteron |
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| 02:46.54 | bytecoder | hah! |
| 02:46.56 | bytecoder | there is no way it didn't crash this time |
| 02:47.03 | bytecoder | or stall |
| 02:47.34 | JeffM2501 | ummmm |
| 02:47.38 | JeffM2501 | what are you talking about? |
| 02:47.55 | bytecoder | bzflag |
| 02:48.15 | JeffM2501 | that I gathered |
| 02:48.20 | JeffM2501 | but about what? |
| 02:48.38 | Quol | purple_cow: for their x86 stuff yes, but all their flag ship stuff is still their RISC stuff..how are ya BTW, long time no see :) |
| 02:50.25 | purple_cow | Quol: i have it on good authority that internally, the linux side is at least as big as solaris if not bigger |
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| 02:52.54 | Quol | purple_cow: interesting - I know it is big, but I thought the $$$ are from the big RISC stuff - our SUN rep at least leads us to belive that this is true - but who knows :) |
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| 04:26.37 | Death_Barrel | where can i find the that new bzflag icon? |
| 04:28.28 | Death_Barrel | nvm i found it |
| 04:29.52 | Mr_Molez | heh |
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| 05:20.28 | menotume | hmm. is it me, or os chanserv slow ? |
| 05:27.55 | menotume | Pimpinella: look outside, the sun is up ! (WAKE UP!!!) |
| 05:28.04 | Pimpinella | done already |
| 05:28.07 | menotume | lol |
| 05:40.02 | Aribeth | its dark outside |
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| 05:44.30 | silverfox | is there a wiki page on the conf file (or command line options?) |
| 05:45.13 | Aribeth | hi silverfox |
| 05:48.59 | trepan | silverfox: the man page is the best resource for conf options |
| 05:49.19 | Aribeth | hiya trepan |
| 05:49.37 | trepan | hello Ari |
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| 06:05.23 | Pimpinella | hi _Manu_ |
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| 06:12.03 | silverfox | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5312&highlight= |
| 06:12.47 | silverfox | TD-Linux thinks silvercat servers are in his home town because of the map on http://elite.tybox.net/mapwiki.pl |
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| 06:21.46 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, hallo :) |
| 06:28.52 | silverfox | I wonder if everyone thinks the server is in their home town... |
| 06:29.26 | Aribeth | sure it is, irs in outer Umtrela, mongolia |
| 06:29.52 | Aribeth | :P |
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| 06:33.57 | silverfox | gotta love distributed services. |
| 06:34.14 | Aribeth | heh |
| 06:34.16 | silverfox | silvercat, the first akamai'd bzfs |
| 06:34.42 | Mr_Molez | ;-/ |
| 06:34.50 | Aribeth | sleepycows....may it rest in peace |
| 06:36.24 | Aribeth | akamai'd ??? |
| 06:37.15 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 06:39.11 | silverfox | http://www.akamai.com/en/html/technology/overview.html |
| 06:39.21 | silverfox | ~ping yahoo.com |
| 06:39.22 | ibot | pong yahoo.com |
| 06:39.26 | silverfox | bah. |
| 06:40.21 | silverfox | www.yahoo.com = www.yahoo.akadns.net |
| 06:40.31 | silverfox | yahoo is akamai'd. |
| 06:40.37 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 06:41.58 | Aribeth | well, it wont do me any good now |
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| 06:46.34 | Aribeth | hi TS |
| 06:48.23 | Aribeth | you there ToughShooter? |
| 06:49.21 | Aribeth | ping ToughShooter |
| 06:54.30 | ToughShooter | pong Aribeth |
| 06:58.23 | ToughShooter | Aribeth: I was never drunk in this life ;) |
| 06:58.32 | Aribeth | heh |
| 07:02.35 | silverfox | drunk + sad = !good |
| 07:02.48 | Aribeth | nope not good at all |
| 07:02.56 | Aribeth | sleepycows is no more |
| 07:03.18 | ToughShooter | I've read it some minutes before :( |
| 07:04.16 | Aribeth | details on bzflag.sleepycows.org |
| 07:06.01 | Mr_Molez | ~karma Death_Barrel++ |
| 07:06.01 | ibot | death_barrel++ has neutral karma |
| 07:06.12 | Mr_Molez | ~Death_Barrel++ |
| 07:06.18 | silverfox | Aribeth, I conned someone else into running the server, and I've felt less !@#$ed off as of late. |
| 07:06.20 | silverfox | worked well. |
| 07:06.44 | silverfox | Mr_Molez, what for? |
| 07:06.54 | Mr_Molez | EH ? |
| 07:07.32 | silverfox | why the Death_Barrel++ ? |
| 07:07.40 | Mr_Molez | just giving him karma |
| 07:08.04 | silverfox | oh. Figured karma usually came with a reason/purpose. |
| 07:08.59 | Aribeth | ya |
| 07:09.15 | Mr_Molez | i have a reason, but he aint here to see it is he |
| 07:09.37 | Aribeth | well, i got tired of all the crap i had to put up with, and had no one to run it for me |
| 07:12.44 | Aribeth | this server sucks, OH I HATE THIS SERVER, etc, etc, etc |
| 07:12.59 | Aribeth | cheaters, cheaters, etc, etc |
| 07:13.06 | silverfox | yep. |
| 07:13.45 | Aribeth | just stinkin munchkins running loose |
| 07:14.06 | Aribeth | ant their parents are afraid to take a whip to them |
| 07:14.36 | ToughShooter | Most parents don't see what their childs do |
| 07:14.50 | Aribeth | most dont even care |
| 07:15.09 | Aribeth | i was raised with an iron hand |
| 07:15.36 | Aribeth | when i got out of line i was punished |
| 07:16.25 | ToughShooter | Physical punishing is illegal in several countries, including mine |
| 07:16.45 | Aribeth | yes, but kids need disapline |
| 07:21.42 | silverfox | Anyone use global auth with bzadmin? |
| 07:21.43 | silverfox | Connecting to silverfox@silvercat.tybox.net:5155 using central login |
| 07:21.43 | silverfox | Communication error joining game [Wrong Code 6d67]. |
| 07:22.12 | ToughShooter | Which bzadmin version? |
| 07:22.23 | ToughShooter | I think it was fixed in CVS |
| 07:23.17 | silverfox | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.47 | ToughShooter | silverfox: I'll try to join there, if it works I'll tell you my version |
| 07:28.11 | trepan | CVS fixed on 2005/08/21 |
| 07:29.03 | silverfox | ah... rc2 works. |
| 07:30.03 | ToughShooter | It works for me (version http://pastebin.com/371762) |
| 07:33.51 | Aribeth | hi again trepan |
| 07:35.12 | trepan | rehi Ari |
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| 12:37.38 | LePoulpe303 | anyone knows why sometimes bzflag may not allow you to fire and jump ? |
| 12:37.49 | LePoulpe303 | (i don't speak bout observer mode) |
| 12:41.38 | LePoulpe303 | wait forget it's something with blank email or password |
| 12:44.07 | LePoulpe303 | wow |
| 12:44.38 | LePoulpe303 | when i put simply set email in config file i loose fire and jump |
| 12:54.23 | Tupone | try to not change config.cfg with text editor. Use option instead |
| 12:55.23 | LePoulpe303 | tupone : i make worst than that :) |
| 12:56.31 | LePoulpe303 | that's my fault : putting set email line without any Parameter seems to disturb totally bzflag after that |
| 12:57.15 | LePoulpe303 | quite logical |
| 12:57.17 | Tupone | Just putting "" could help you |
| 12:57.27 | LePoulpe303 | hmmmm |
| 12:57.48 | LePoulpe303 | instead i will manage commented and not comented lines |
| 12:58.25 | LePoulpe303 | does "" avoid to have default email user@localhost |
| 12:58.28 | LePoulpe303 | ? |
| 13:03.46 | Tupone | I think so |
| 13:04.05 | LePoulpe303 | yes it is :) |
| 13:04.13 | Tupone | you could eventually try to remove email from option and then check that |
| 13:04.35 | LePoulpe303 | i don't use bzflag ; i'm |
| 13:04.47 | LePoulpe303 | directly writing in config file |
| 13:04.59 | LePoulpe303 | i need to do so |
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| 13:31.17 | I_Died_Once | you have no chance to survive make your time |
| 13:32.32 | I_Died_Once | !weather 34108 |
| 13:32.36 | TheLastSpartan | I_Died_Once: The current temperature in Naples, Florida (34108) is 80°F. |
| 13:32.42 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 13:32.49 | I_Died_Once | !weather 31408 |
| 13:32.51 | TheLastSpartan | I_Died_Once: The current temperature in Savannah, Georgia (31408) is 79°F. |
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| 15:09.54 | jomojo | anyone know who is running www.hamlettcorp.com ??? it is an overlord map |
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| 15:11.20 | jomojo | it makes me rather uneasy many of the people playing there are banned on silvercat |
| 15:11.31 | jomojo | and that map is very much associated with silvercat |
| 15:12.05 | Grumbler | if it makes you uneasy, dont go |
| 15:14.25 | jomojo | i have no intention of going there just don't like having maps strongly associated with silvercat |
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| 15:15.00 | jomojo | completely without admins on the list |
| 15:15.24 | RatOmeter_ | is it running the same map as silvercat? |
| 15:15.30 | jomojo | yeah |
| 15:15.32 | Grumbler | it happens, try not to let it bother you too much |
| 15:15.37 | jomojo | overlord |
| 15:15.40 | jomojo | i know |
| 15:15.43 | RatOmeter_ | ah |
| 15:15.56 | jomojo | but I thought if it is someone new I could help them set up admins |
| 15:16.30 | jomojo | or whatever |
| 15:17.13 | Grumbler | yeah, nice thought........if it is a bunch of idiots playing, then the server will be in here soon enough complaining/asking..........or it might be run by one of the idiots |
| 15:19.40 | Grumbler | had a discussion last night that the ideal server, that limits the amount of admin duties is one where there are no teams, everybody is muted, admin chat is closed, and individual callsigns are not show to other clients |
| 15:20.27 | Grumbler | so that just leaves the DOS'ers and the cheaters |
| 15:20.37 | jomojo | lol |
| 15:20.49 | jomojo | well i think that would take some of the fun away for others |
| 15:21.00 | Grumbler | yep |
| 15:21.19 | Grumbler | but one has to wonder how popular that type of mode would be |
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| 15:22.21 | Grumbler | oh yeah, isnt there a mode for an admin to join and not be shown in the "scoreboard/lagstat" lists........so that an admin can track a player stealthly |
| 15:22.51 | jomojo | you mean invisible observer? |
| 15:23.14 | Grumbler | yeah....is there one? |
| 15:23.23 | Grumbler | i remember a discussion, not sure its real |
| 15:23.25 | jomojo | not that I know of |
| 15:23.44 | jomojo | there may be a patch or plugin for it somewhere |
| 15:24.10 | bryjen | there's a "permission" that turns off the admin's @ in the scoreboard |
| 15:24.19 | jomojo | sounds like it would be cool as long as it could be guaranteed not to be able to used but anyone besides admins |
| 15:24.30 | jomojo | yeah HIDEADMIN |
| 15:25.05 | jomojo | i mean the last thing you want is some hack using it to swear at people and we can't figure out where it is coming from |
| 15:25.24 | Grumbler | ..that would be bad |
| 15:26.09 | bryjen | invisible clients should not be invisible to admins |
| 15:26.40 | Grumbler | ....we had a case last night where we wanted to "drive with" someone with suspect behavior(innocent until proven guilty)....but the minute an admin switched to observer, the suspect asked if the admin was driving with him |
| 15:27.10 | menotume | I told you - i WASN'T cheating ! |
| 15:27.13 | Grumbler | heh |
| 15:28.01 | Grumbler | good point |
| 15:28.03 | menotume | 'invisible admin' would be great, or even a cloaked callsign |
| 15:28.21 | bryjen | it'd be silly and wasteful for it to do so, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work that way :/ |
| 15:28.50 | menotume | HIDEADMIN is nice, but it has it's drawbacks |
| 15:29.19 | Grumbler | yeah, it doesnt hide the admin name or the fact that there is an observer out there |
| 15:29.39 | menotume | right, and the admin doesn't get slot number display |
| 15:29.41 | Grumbler | some people know admins by there qualified callsign |
| 15:29.45 | menotume | except with playerlist |
| 15:29.49 | menotume | yep |
| 15:30.13 | menotume | 'cloaked callsign': login with real callsign/password, and desired alias |
| 15:30.36 | menotume | like: callsign "menotume:someguy" |
| 15:31.09 | Grumbler | i could see this getting messy though.....have to add some sort of handshaking to handle the "do you want to be cloaked?" options |
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| 15:31.32 | menotume | nahhh, the ':' or whatever means cloak is permission allows it |
| 15:31.35 | Grumbler | you could probably join normal, and then handle it in a plugin |
| 15:31.51 | menotume | hmm |
| 15:32.01 | menotume | 'cloak IF' |
| 15:32.05 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.31 | menotume | if done on the join, the alias would already be there |
| 15:32.39 | Grumbler | and if bryjen is right, an intelligent idiot would still know |
| 15:33.01 | menotume | what? that he's being watched ? |
| 15:33.07 | Grumbler | yeah |
| 15:33.14 | menotume | does OBS actually have positions |
| 15:33.30 | menotume | ohh, i guess he does |
| 15:33.44 | menotume | shouldn't be sent though |
| 15:33.50 | Grumbler | he does, but do other clients know his position |
| 15:34.05 | Grumbler | yeah, what you said |
| 15:34.10 | menotume | :) |
| 15:34.29 | Grumbler | ok, lunch...... |
| 15:34.48 | menotume | I think the alias could be done completely in the server, without breaking proto |
| 15:35.00 | menotume | just a hook in the auth process |
| 15:36.17 | menotume | would have to 'HIDEADMIN' on theat player though |
| 15:37.00 | bryjen | you'd need to reserve the seperator character between the true callsign and alias. might break existing callsigns |
| 15:37.06 | jomojo | i have often wondered if it was a wise idea let anyone list a server |
| 15:37.52 | menotume | bryjen: yes, there are some reserved chars already |
| 15:37.57 | menotume | jomojo: huh ? |
| 15:38.11 | RatOmeter | might be neat to list only those run by globally registered folks |
| 15:38.16 | jomojo | meaning that just anyone can put up a server |
| 15:38.22 | menotume | ahh |
| 15:38.28 | jomojo | i am not sure if that is so smart |
| 15:38.32 | menotume | but, isn't that good ? |
| 15:38.39 | bryjen | on looking at playing.cxx, observers may not send player updates |
| 15:38.48 | menotume | kewl |
| 15:38.52 | jomojo | well maybe there should be some developer or some sort of approval |
| 15:38.58 | RatOmeter | "may not" or "do not" or "must not"? |
| 15:39.23 | bryjen | "may not" as in "if i'm reading this right, they do not" |
| 15:39.36 | RatOmeter | good |
| 15:40.27 | menotume | so, it probably may does most likely not ? |
| 15:41.46 | menotume | ohh, on the alias, the auth would have to also check that the alias is not registered |
| 15:42.29 | bryjen | heh |
| 15:42.47 | bryjen | so no somecheater:menotume |
| 15:42.54 | menotume | :) |
| 15:43.11 | menotume | well, somecheater would have to have "ALIASALLOWED' permiss anyway |
| 15:43.27 | menotume | but, just to make sure no one impersonates |
| 15:45.17 | menotume | jomojo: I see what you mean (with local auth they can look at logs for your password) |
| 15:45.29 | menotume | player beware on using local auth |
| 15:46.16 | menotume | although, bzfs could filter out the /register and /identify msgs |
| 15:46.55 | menotume | bzfs probably SHOULD filter out the password on those msgs |
| 15:47.17 | bryjen | that's a flaw in local auth. they could always mod their bzfs back. or intercept the packets |
| 15:47.30 | menotume | would be nice for the server ops who want to allow cops/admins to view logs too |
| 15:47.37 | menotume | true |
| 15:47.46 | bryjen | plain-text passwords over-the-wire is insecure |
| 15:48.02 | menotume | yes, like the client does :) |
| 15:48.52 | bryjen | well, at least that's to a known target. we all trust Nid/Tim/Jeff, don't we? ;) |
| 15:49.17 | menotume | i don't trust me :) |
| 15:49.45 | bryjen | then you shouldn't have your password :P |
| 15:49.57 | RatOmeter | give it to me. I'll take care of it |
| 15:49.59 | menotume | crap, i need to dithc it then |
| 15:51.04 | menotume | actually, i can't even see them |
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| 16:59.40 | bz3541 | hey |
| 16:59.44 | gsnedders | hi |
| 16:59.52 | bz3541 | any devs around? |
| 17:00.55 | bz3541 | are you there DTRemenak? |
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| 17:04.48 | jomojo | bz3541 i am not a dev but perhaps I can point you in the right direction |
| 17:05.04 | Grumbler | .....and he did stay at a holiday inn last night |
| 17:05.34 | jomojo | no but I do have a great shower |
| 17:05.47 | Aribeth | ROFLOL |
| 17:05.57 | Grumbler | on that note, we would appreciate you using that shower more often :) |
| 17:06.12 | Aribeth | lol |
| 17:06.15 | jomojo | look I told you twice a day is all I will do |
| 17:06.30 | jomojo | i don't care how much you pay me to watch |
| 17:06.34 | Grumbler | but we are making so much money on the webcam.... |
| 17:06.50 | jomojo | my skin is to prune like |
| 17:07.11 | Grumbler | there is this whole segment in korea that is into that |
| 17:07.33 | jomojo | yeah |
| 17:07.40 | Grumbler | heh, ok, back on topic |
| 17:08.03 | Grumbler | bz3541, suggest you just state your problem, maybe someone will pop up with an answer |
| 17:09.41 | Aribeth | kids today don't have any troubleshooting skills :( |
| 17:10.41 | jomojo | but you are a kid no? and you seem to have those trouble shooting skills? |
| 17:10.59 | Aribeth | i am NOT a kid |
| 17:11.07 | Aribeth | i am 51 |
| 17:11.12 | jomojo | lol |
| 17:11.18 | brlcad | but 15 at heart |
| 17:11.19 | ToughShooter | I remember I was called TroubleShooter 2 times |
| 17:11.23 | Aribeth | heh |
| 17:11.34 | jomojo | i know 51 years olds more of a kid than I .. 26 |
| 17:11.48 | Aribeth | well, more like 25 at heart these days |
| 17:12.06 | jomojo | did your 15 year old heart get a murmur ? |
| 17:12.23 | Aribeth | yep, thats it, it did |
| 17:12.56 | Aribeth | and all the munchkins helped make it that way |
| 17:13.08 | jomojo | Well I am sure the drug companies will come out with a drug soon that will keep you immature and delusional for life. I am looking forward to it |
| 17:13.23 | Aribeth | heh |
| 17:13.31 | jomojo | oh wait.. there are quite a few of those already |
| 17:14.15 | Aribeth | well, i have ham radio to keep me young |
| 17:14.25 | bryjen | Mmm, ham |
| 17:14.30 | Birdie | and you have josephine to;) |
| 17:14.35 | Aribeth | yep |
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| 17:14.53 | jomojo | Birdie I want to match someone |
| 17:15.00 | ToughShooter | Did you know that Germany was #1 drug producer some time ago? |
| 17:15.05 | Birdie | sorry i dont have time |
| 17:15.10 | Birdie | lol germany?? |
| 17:15.16 | jomojo | same old story bird man |
| 17:15.21 | jomojo | really |
| 17:15.23 | fungushead | hi jomojo |
| 17:15.29 | fungushead | snicko here :) |
| 17:15.29 | Birdie | i always thought that columbia was that:) |
| 17:15.35 | jomojo | hi |
| 17:15.38 | jomojo | lol |
| 17:15.54 | ToughShooter | Cocaine is from the same man who invented Aspirin (or rather found out how to concentrate the indrigents) |
| 17:15.58 | fungushead | could i speak to you about silvercat login? |
| 17:16.12 | jomojo | no I am fairly sure the USA has been producing more drugs that we don't need per capita than anyone else in the world |
| 17:16.25 | jomojo | sure lets discuss at #silvercat |
| 17:16.34 | ToughShooter | It was decades ago |
| 17:16.48 | fungushead | ok. am new to irc. will try to do that. do i just join #silvercat? |
| 17:17.10 | ToughShooter | type /join #silvercat |
| 17:17.12 | Aribeth | type in /join #silvercat |
| 17:17.17 | fungushead | ty |
| 17:17.23 | jomojo | for me I can just click on #silvercat |
| 17:17.30 | jomojo | but you could do it the long way |
| 17:18.56 | jomojo | okay folks we actually have some trouble shooting to do |
| 17:19.00 | jomojo | fungushead |
| 17:19.09 | fungushead | yes? |
| 17:19.18 | jomojo | can't seem to connect to silvercat no matter what he does |
| 17:19.22 | jomojo | he can't even ping it |
| 17:19.29 | jomojo | i have no clue as to why |
| 17:19.47 | brad2901 | maybe a firewall ban? I had the same prob a while ago.. |
| 17:19.48 | jomojo | ToughShooter any clues or anyone else? |
| 17:19.59 | jomojo | firewall ban? |
| 17:20.03 | fungushead | nope |
| 17:20.12 | ToughShooter | A pasted traceroute might help |
| 17:20.17 | Aribeth | isp problem? |
| 17:20.24 | jomojo | you can't traceroute silvercat |
| 17:20.27 | jomojo | it won't let you |
| 17:20.43 | jomojo | though you can ping it |
| 17:20.54 | ToughShooter | It's possible that silverfox has done a firewall ban |
| 17:20.57 | Aribeth | silvercat is a distributed setup |
| 17:20.59 | fungushead | i have no problem accessing and pinging other servers. |
| 17:21.16 | fungushead | oh... |
| 17:21.39 | jomojo | I can get very close to silvercat |
| 17:21.54 | bryjen | on linux, traceroute -I to use ICMP. otherwise it may be using UDP, which may be blocked at some point |
| 17:21.58 | jomojo | like a hop away but silverfox has it set up to not be able to traceroute |
| 17:22.06 | fungushead | have tried that too byjen |
| 17:22.27 | jomojo | bryjen: silverfox has it blocked |
| 17:22.41 | ToughShooter | jomojo: yes but if the problem is before the game server we could see that then |
| 17:22.42 | jomojo | fungushead is not the first person to have this happen to them |
| 17:23.27 | ToughShooter | fungushead: Can you paste your traceroute to http://pastebin.com/ ? |
| 17:23.29 | fungushead | it can be a problem because sometimes people at the gu league would like to use the silvercat server, but they can't because i can't |
| 17:23.30 | Aribeth | could be a firewall block |
| 17:23.58 | bryjen | ~bzpastebin |
| 17:24.01 | ibot | it has been said that bzpastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 17:24.01 | fungushead | not at my end |
| 17:24.19 | Aribeth | might be at silvercat's end |
| 17:24.22 | jomojo | i have seen his traceroutes |
| 17:24.30 | jomojo | it goes almost all the way to the server |
| 17:25.07 | ToughShooter | Does the traceroute reach 68.185.2.10? |
| 17:25.16 | fungushead | one moment. will try that |
| 17:26.11 | jomojo | could silverfox's firewall be blocking it? |
| 17:26.18 | ToughShooter | yes |
| 17:26.22 | bryjen | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/23703 works from here |
| 17:26.27 | fungushead | yes. it gets there |
| 17:27.00 | fungushead | .the final hop before destination is where it halts when tracerouting ....29.18 (or whatever it is) |
| 17:27.07 | ToughShooter | Then I think it's the game servers firewall |
| 17:27.07 | jomojo | someone told me that he wasn't able to connect from anywhere in santa clara, ca or something |
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| 17:27.34 | jomojo | why would fox's firewall not allow certain ips in? |
| 17:27.54 | bryjen | blocking out persistent cheaters |
| 17:28.10 | Aribeth | yep |
| 17:28.14 | bryjen | or other network abusers |
| 17:28.15 | fungushead | perhaps he's blocked a whole IP block |
| 17:28.18 | ToughShooter | fungushead: Please pastebin your traceroute |
| 17:28.24 | fungushead | my address is not static |
| 17:28.26 | jomojo | hmm |
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| 17:28.39 | fungushead | pastebin? |
| 17:28.39 | jomojo | yeah but part of your adress might be |
| 17:28.49 | Aribeth | prolly blocked a range of ip's |
| 17:28.53 | jomojo | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/23703 |
| 17:28.54 | fungushead | well... first two numbers always the same |
| 17:29.16 | ToughShooter | fungushead: http://pastebin.com/ or http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 17:30.08 | jomojo | fungushead first numbers always 80.42?? |
| 17:30.24 | ToughShooter | My traceroute has nicest numbers http://pastebin.com/372131 :/ |
| 17:31.04 | fungushead | yes. |
| 17:31.15 | fungushead | always those two numbers |
| 17:31.29 | fungushead | where did you get them? |
| 17:31.35 | fungushead | i did tell you before |
| 17:33.06 | fungushead | cutting and pasting doesn't work properly with my linux setup :( |
| 17:33.34 | fungushead | i gave up trying to fix it some time ago |
| 17:34.19 | fungushead | still there? |
| 17:34.58 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.05 | fungushead | :) |
| 17:35.24 | Aribeth | i am everywhere :P |
| 17:35.31 | Aribeth | and nowhere :P |
| 17:35.36 | Grumbler | i am going nowhere |
| 17:35.42 | jomojo | i am somewhere |
| 17:35.54 | Grumbler | i'll meet you over there |
| 17:35.54 | Aribeth | im over there |
| 17:36.12 | bryjen | and it's Friday ;) |
| 17:36.31 | fungushead | so.... jomojo... what's happening? you mentioned 80.42.. |
| 17:36.42 | jomojo | fungushead |
| 17:36.46 | fungushead | yes? |
| 17:37.02 | jomojo | i am attempting to ask silverfox if his firewall is blocking certain ips and ranges |
| 17:37.08 | fungushead | ok. ty |
| 17:37.15 | jomojo | he doesn't appear to be around |
| 17:37.33 | jomojo | hopefully he will be able to clear this up and we can get some answers |
| 17:38.28 | fungushead | yes |
| 17:38.57 | fungushead | i will be disappointed if he's banned a huge range IP addresses. not too keen on collective punishment |
| 17:39.22 | Aribeth | sometimes we have to do it |
| 17:39.43 | fungushead | and when the idiot is no longer interested all the good people are still banned? |
| 17:39.53 | Aribeth | especialy when they keep changing their ip |
| 17:39.54 | Grumbler | yep, life sucks |
| 17:40.15 | ToughShooter | Some ISPs don't allow server owners to ban only little parts of their network |
| 17:40.23 | Grumbler | of course, i want to mute everyone, and disallow callsigns |
| 17:40.27 | Aribeth | well, i dont have to worry about doing bans anymore |
| 17:40.52 | ToughShooter | Like T-Online and all T-Com resellers |
| 17:40.53 | fungushead | are such bans lifted occasionally to see if the twits have gone away? |
| 17:40.58 | Grumbler | hmm, maybe not disallow callsigns......maybe have the server pick the callsign for them |
| 17:41.15 | Grumbler | a good server owner will lift the bans occasionally |
| 17:41.26 | bryjen | personalized individual punishment is more fun, but with all the asshats on the internet, who has the time? ;) |
| 17:41.26 | Grumbler | day of reprieve and such |
| 17:41.56 | fungushead | things is, it doesn't just affect me. it affects my whole team if they want to play at silvercat... |
| 17:41.57 | bryjen | Slee! |
| 17:42.06 | fungushead | and they can't if i can't |
| 17:42.55 | fungushead | and i have to keep explaining to people over and over that i can't login there, which is tiresome to say the least |
| 17:43.12 | bryjen | the cows now sleep with the fishes? |
| 17:43.22 | fungushead | only the ones with gills |
| 17:43.22 | ToughShooter | if it's really the firewall then I suppose it's no ban from within bzfs because of DOS-attacks |
| 17:43.40 | RIP-Sleepycows | yes. sleepycows is now ona long vacation |
| 17:45.40 | RIP-Sleepycows | details at bzflag.sleepycows.org |
| 17:46.55 | fungushead | ok. tx chaps. i have some tanks to shoot. bye! |
| 17:47.08 | meacan | menotume: if you're there, tlz can match us (tlz:59997) |
| 17:47.37 | ToughShooter | meacan: Are observers ok? I would like to watch it |
| 17:47.49 | *** part/#bzflag fungushead (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 17:56.34 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=JeffM@users.gibbscam.com) |
| 17:56.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 17:56.51 | RIP-Sleepycows | hello jeffM2501 |
| 17:57.33 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 17:59.04 | Grumbler | RIP-Sleepycows, did you ever find DB and kick his butt? |
| 17:59.26 | RIP-Sleepycows | not yet. he's a DeathDealer imposter |
| 17:59.35 | RIP-Sleepycows | but i do have his ip address |
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| 18:00.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 18:02.02 | jomojo | hmm you know it might be handy if antikick perm also applied to the server |
| 18:02.55 | jomojo | like I can still be kicked by server for idling to long |
| 18:03.07 | jomojo | but can't be kicked otherwise |
| 18:03.18 | jomojo | or at least some perms to prevent idlekick |
| 18:04.07 | jomojo | for admins |
| 18:11.37 | RIP-Sleepycows | understand what? |
| 18:11.37 | Tupone | what jomojo asks for |
| 18:11.37 | RIP-Sleepycows | oh. |
| 18:11.37 | jomojo | that the server can't kick admins |
| 18:11.38 | jomojo | for things like idling to long |
| 18:11.45 | jomojo | even with antikick |
| 18:11.49 | jomojo | for admins |
| 18:12.25 | Tupone | RIP-Sleepycows: your nick means that Sleepycows is dead? |
| 18:12.36 | RIP-Sleepycows | it does |
| 18:12.47 | ToughShooter | The question is whether this would make sense. Why should the admins treated different than the rest |
| 18:13.30 | Chestal | but there is |
| 18:13.39 | Chestal | idling on bz is bad, idling on irc is good :-) |
| 18:15.19 | RIP-Sleepycows | Tupone, details at bzflag.sleepycows.org |
| 18:16.55 | Grumbler | something eerie about a tank on one side and a cow on the other |
| 18:17.06 | RIP-Sleepycows | heh |
| 18:17.18 | RIP-Sleepycows | cows can drive tanks |
| 18:17.40 | Grumbler | yes, but they cant whistle and that makes all the difference :) |
| 18:17.49 | RIP-Sleepycows | heh |
| 18:18.58 | Birdie | au so sad:( |
| 18:19.02 | Birdie | you really had so much troubles? |
| 18:19.32 | Grumbler | most servers do |
| 18:19.43 | Grumbler | the frustration just builds |
| 18:19.47 | jomojo | sometimes one has to idle longer while banning or kicking or talking to someone |
| 18:19.54 | jomojo | ToughShooter |
| 18:20.13 | jomojo | and idle on silvercat doesn't leave much time for that |
| 18:20.16 | jomojo | only 90 seconds |
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| 18:23.34 | _Manu_ | jomojo, but that's because you set a little time to it.. |
| 18:23.56 | jomojo | i know |
| 18:23.57 | meacan | ToughShooter: observers are always ok :) |
| 18:24.09 | _Manu_ | and if you have anti-idlekick.. or whatever.. and talking to someone.. you will not be kicked.. but the other yes ;-p |
| 18:24.23 | jomojo | Manu that was |
| 18:24.26 | jomojo | on purpose |
| 18:24.46 | jomojo | well maybe they are having to talk to multiple people at once and even ban them |
| 18:24.56 | jomojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.20 | _Manu_ | I still think 90 seconds is very little time |
| 18:25.34 | jomojo | yup |
| 18:25.46 | jomojo | to many people were idling way to long |
| 18:26.18 | jomojo | the other day 4 out of 8 team members were idling nearly 4 minutes each |
| 18:26.22 | jomojo | teams looked even |
| 18:26.32 | jomojo | though the team with only 4 playing got stomped |
| 18:26.52 | _Manu_ | yes, it happens.. and then unbalance teams |
| 18:27.07 | Grumbler | kick them, then ban'em all |
| 18:27.37 | _Manu_ | /hostban * max idling |
| 18:27.48 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:27.57 | _Manu_ | no more idling :) |
| 18:29.46 | _Manu_ | jomojo, then what do you want.. the admin kick protection also for idle? |
| 18:30.53 | jomojo | yeah |
| 18:31.19 | _Manu_ | I think it's easy changing it :) |
| 18:36.28 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-154-131.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:41.31 | jomojo | i just realized Timriker lives in Houston |
| 18:41.33 | jomojo | i think |
| 18:41.54 | jomojo | he is about to get hammered by the hurricane.. hopefully he is out of town |
| 18:42.24 | jomojo | my relatives have all left there |
| 18:45.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Don't kick a player because idling if has antikick |
| 18:46.24 | _Manu_ | jomojo, done |
| 18:47.27 | Silent_Swan | is it possible to get the "bzadmin" client to display coloured messages? |
| 18:48.37 | Tupone | ~pw |
| 18:48.38 | ibot | from memory, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 18:49.45 | _Manu_ | Silent_Swan, actually bzadmin messages are coloured ;) |
| 18:49.56 | Silent_Swan | hmm... for some reason,they do not show up |
| 18:50.03 | Silent_Swan | term type is set to xterm |
| 18:50.05 | _Manu_ | color black ;-p |
| 18:50.06 | Silent_Swan | tried vt100 too |
| 18:50.11 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 18:50.15 | Silent_Swan | *smack* |
| 18:51.11 | Silent_Swan | i'm mucking about in the source code... maybe i'll figure something out.... would be nice to see colour-coded messages for chat, join/quit, etc... |
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| 19:00.57 | Silent_Swan | grrr... had to use a really bizarre terminal type to get colour to work... stupid Solaris |
| 19:01.36 | _Manu_ | Solaris 10? |
| 19:03.50 | Silent_Swan | 9 |
| 19:03.57 | Silent_Swan | i refuse to mess with solaris 10 |
| 19:04.07 | Silent_Swan | since you have to subscribe and pay for patches |
| 19:04.08 | *** join/#bzflag fungushead (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 19:04.17 | Silent_Swan | i'd rather pay for the OS and get free patches |
| 19:04.47 | RIP-Sleepycows | sounds like M$ got their hooks into Ssun |
| 19:06.23 | Silent_Swan | hi RIP-Sleepycows |
| 19:06.27 | Silent_Swan | :( |
| 19:06.40 | RIP-Sleepycows | hi |
| 19:06.45 | RIP-Sleepycows | :( :( |
| 19:07.05 | *** part/#bzflag fungushead (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 19:07.30 | Silent_Swan | *sigh* this job is boring the ... out of me already and i've only been working here a couple months |
| 19:08.37 | RIP-Sleepycows | sounds about right. im burned out on IT myself |
| 19:09.47 | brlcad | Silent_Swan: boredom is easy aleviated.. work on other stuff .. |
| 19:11.38 | _Manu_ | brlcad, wasn't you away? ;) |
| 19:11.52 | brlcad | i'm always away ;) |
| 19:13.29 | Grumbler | he is working on other stuff |
| 19:13.39 | Silent_Swan | working on other stuff..... yeah, bzflag stuff. not exactly productive, but keeps me busy |
| 19:14.01 | Silent_Swan | *eek*... afk for a few |
| 19:16.09 | brlcad | not.... productive??! |
| 19:16.11 | brlcad | sure it is ;) |
| 19:21.30 | RIP-Sleepycows | can someone run a log/ban check on an ip for me? |
| 19:22.32 | *** join/#bzflag NoRecess (n=d8623822@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 19:27.27 | JeffM2501 | what is a log/ban check? |
| 19:28.07 | RIP-Sleepycows | im trying to find out who the deathdealer imposter is |
| 19:28.21 | RIP-Sleepycows | he's from 24.184.41.227 |
| 19:28.42 | RIP-Sleepycows | he seems to be blameing me for something that he wont explain |
| 19:29.37 | RIP-Sleepycows | im just wondering if anyine has encountered this guy |
| 19:29.39 | JeffM2501 | I'd just ignore him |
| 19:30.03 | JeffM2501 | does he have a global reg name anywhere? |
| 19:30.04 | RIP-Sleepycows | normaly i would |
| 19:30.24 | RIP-Sleepycows | he has been on sleepycows as *DeathDealer* |
| 19:30.33 | JeffM2501 | is he + ? |
| 19:30.38 | RIP-Sleepycows | i almost banned the real DeathDealer |
| 19:30.48 | RIP-Sleepycows | he has no token |
| 19:30.58 | JeffM2501 | ah |
| 19:30.59 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 19:31.03 | ToughShooter | He had no + but asked how to register when he was at silvercat |
| 19:31.08 | JeffM2501 | then I'd have no record of him :( |
| 19:31.17 | RIP-Sleepycows | ahh |
| 19:31.29 | ToughShooter | that was yesterday, AFAIR |
| 19:31.44 | RIP-Sleepycows | i tried talkiing to him on silvercat, but he ducked out |
| 19:33.51 | jomojo | RIP-Sleepycows: his most recent ip is this 24.96.26.208 |
| 19:34.01 | RIP-Sleepycows | yes |
| 19:34.11 | RIP-Sleepycows | ahh |
| 19:34.38 | RIP-Sleepycows | then he just changed it |
| 19:35.04 | jomojo | it has been that way since yesterday according to logs |
| 19:35.06 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:35.29 | RIP-Sleepycows | i have 24.184.41.227 as of yesterday |
| 19:35.44 | menotume | Sleepycows gone? NOOOOO. :( |
| 19:35.53 | RIP-Sleepycows | :( |
| 19:36.04 | CBG | :o |
| 19:36.06 | menotume | R.I.P. |
| 19:36.37 | jomojo | RIP-Sleepycows: then i am not sure if it is your same guy |
| 19:36.41 | *** join/#bzflag callofhonor (n=a9f48f73@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:36.51 | jomojo | I just did check at dnsstuff.com |
| 19:36.55 | callofhonor | hey brad2901 i got the two programs right |
| 19:37.05 | jomojo | and one is in florida the other is in New York |
| 19:37.20 | RIP-Sleepycows | it is him |
| 19:37.53 | JeffM2501 | that's a bit of a range |
| 19:37.54 | callofhonor | who? what's going on? *confused* |
| 19:38.03 | jomojo | that doesn't make sense to me |
| 19:38.10 | RIP-Sleepycows | also goes by lemon, Catula, Catula23, carrocks |
| 19:38.25 | RIP-Sleepycows | there is a DeathDealer imposter |
| 19:38.26 | jomojo | comcast limit is his provider |
| 19:38.31 | _Manu_ | lemon? tha't one of my nicks :/ |
| 19:38.46 | _Manu_ | you mean lem0n? |
| 19:38.46 | JeffM2501 | I have a disabled account for Catula |
| 19:38.53 | RIP-Sleepycows | ahh |
| 19:39.17 | jomojo | no way could he have ip in Florida one day and be in new york the next |
| 19:39.26 | RIP-Sleepycows | looks like i banned him in august |
| 19:39.28 | JeffM2501 | proxy bounce probably |
| 19:39.31 | jomojo | ips are regionally limited for comcast |
| 19:39.42 | JeffM2501 | or that TOR crap |
| 19:39.59 | callofhonor | who's been banned? |
| 19:40.18 | JeffM2501 | not really any of your biz callofhonor |
| 19:40.21 | RIP-Sleepycows | lemon, aka *DeathDealer* from sleepycows |
| 19:40.42 | JeffM2501 | looks like they tried to reg a couple time with fake e-mails but never got anywhere |
| 19:40.43 | callofhonor | ok. funny i thought you were going to say me just for a joky reminder.... |
| 19:40.47 | RIP-Sleepycows | sounds like he wants some sort of revenge |
| 19:41.02 | RIP-Sleepycows | or something |
| 19:41.07 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, not everything is about you, we were talking about things before you got here |
| 19:41.15 | callofhonor | i noticed. |
| 19:41.25 | JeffM2501 | RIP-Sleepycows, giving him your attention is giving him his revenge |
| 19:41.33 | Silent_Swan | i can't understand what "revenge" he'd be after |
| 19:41.33 | RIP-Sleepycows | ya |
| 19:41.35 | _Manu_ | but lemon is registered :/ |
| 19:41.35 | Grumbler | i second that thought |
| 19:41.42 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 agreed |
| 19:41.58 | RIP-Sleepycows | he prolly hasnt reged his nicks |
| 19:42.04 | JeffM2501 | it's normal attention whoring |
| 19:42.20 | JeffM2501 | RIP-Sleepycows, because he knows if he does there is a clean way to ban him |
| 19:42.26 | RIP-Sleepycows | i was just trying to get to the bottem of the problem |
| 19:42.47 | RIP-Sleepycows | i almost banned the real deathdealer |
| 19:43.03 | JeffM2501 | the problem is, it's an asshat, probably 15 years old, and wants to feel less "inadiquate" |
| 19:43.10 | JeffM2501 | he will buy an SUV when he can drive |
| 19:43.15 | Silent_Swan | haha yep |
| 19:43.16 | Silent_Swan | Hummer |
| 19:43.18 | RIP-Sleepycows | yep |
| 19:43.49 | callofhonor | *excuse me* i don't mean to interupt, but why don |
| 19:43.54 | JeffM2501 | never understood the SUV thing unless you really had need for it |
| 19:44.10 | RIP-Sleepycows | i hate SUV's |
| 19:44.22 | JeffM2501 | if you have to cary that much stuff, a small pickup is much better |
| 19:44.30 | RIP-Sleepycows | yep |
| 19:44.30 | JeffM2501 | if you have a bunch of kids I can understand the smaller ones |
| 19:44.50 | JeffM2501 | but guy here has a nissan armada, that thing is just sick |
| 19:45.02 | callofhonor | why don't you guys create some kind of *mini court* to try people that are being banned? *just a suggestion* |
| 19:45.10 | *** join/#bzflag fungushead (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 19:45.35 | bryjen | bzflag is not a democracy. |
| 19:45.37 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, bans are per server |
| 19:45.42 | bryjen | or a country for that matter... |
| 19:45.52 | RIP-Sleepycows | sometimes they get to be a real pain |
| 19:45.56 | fungushead | is it a cheese sandwich? |
| 19:45.57 | JeffM2501 | why should anyone else have any say in whether or not an owner can ban somone |
| 19:45.57 | callofhonor | i said is was just a suggestion. sheesh |
| 19:46.11 | JeffM2501 | for masterbans we do talk about it |
| 19:46.21 | JeffM2501 | we are not talking about a masterban at all here |
| 19:46.23 | callofhonor | like me? |
| 19:46.24 | JeffM2501 | do not assume |
| 19:46.30 | JeffM2501 | for you , yes there were talks |
| 19:46.32 | callofhonor | i wasn't. |
| 19:46.52 | RIP-Sleepycows | and i was inquireing if he has been a pain on other servers |
| 19:47.00 | callofhonor | how long ago was that anyways? |
| 19:47.05 | JeffM2501 | the complaints were tallied, the statement that you were to be masterbaned was put out, many agreeed, noone rejected it. |
| 19:47.13 | JeffM2501 | check CVS history and see |
| 19:47.25 | callofhonor | where do i find that? |
| 19:47.31 | JeffM2501 | in CVS |
| 19:47.37 | callofhonor | ok. |
| 19:47.45 | JeffM2501 | the masterban file is under source controll |
| 19:48.05 | JeffM2501 | even for your last set of requests to come back, there were many people who opposed it. |
| 19:48.36 | Silent_Swan | *grr* idiot cow-orkers |
| 19:48.52 | RIP-Sleepycows | coe-orkers???? |
| 19:48.52 | callofhonor | i can't find source control i'm at: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/ |
| 19:48.57 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan on the other hand was able to smooth it all over with server owners and is now playing again and doing quite well |
| 19:49.10 | Silent_Swan | cow-orkers - no relation to the sleepy sort |
| 19:49.10 | callofhonor | happy him |
| 19:49.14 | Silent_Swan | these are just the stupid sort |
| 19:49.17 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, are they that lathargic/ |
| 19:49.21 | RIP-Sleepycows | ahh |
| 19:49.23 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, it's in there |
| 19:49.27 | Silent_Swan | no, just highly annoying |
| 19:49.53 | JeffM2501 | go have good thai food, that takes the edge off ;) |
| 19:50.03 | RIP-Sleepycows | heh |
| 19:50.22 | JeffM2501 | phad-thai noodles........ mmmmmm |
| 19:50.26 | Silent_Swan | ewww |
| 19:50.33 | Silent_Swan | thai food makes me ill |
| 19:50.35 | Birdie | tequila! |
| 19:50.42 | Silent_Swan | so does hard liquor hehe |
| 19:50.44 | RIP-Sleepycows | yuck |
| 19:50.46 | callofhonor | Jeeze March 18th, man that was a while ago |
| 19:50.47 | Silent_Swan | give me beer |
| 19:50.55 | Birdie | tequila with citron and salt |
| 19:51.10 | RIP-Sleepycows | Wild Turkey |
| 19:51.14 | Silent_Swan | and indian food...hmm... maybe i'll go have indian food tonight |
| 19:51.21 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, not really |
| 19:51.30 | JeffM2501 | indian food is a fine subsitute |
| 19:51.31 | Silent_Swan | so i can smell like curry over the weekend |
| 19:51.33 | callofhonor | that's what ist says, but ok |
| 19:51.37 | Grumbler | Silent_Swan, yeah.....good bread and curry |
| 19:51.47 | Silent_Swan | *drool* |
| 19:51.47 | RIP-Sleepycows | yummmmm |
| 19:51.59 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, you have been told how to get it removed many a time, but you never seem to actualy DO it. |
| 19:52.21 | callofhonor | Hmmm I wonder why? |
| 19:52.33 | fungushead | so... where is this master ban list? i'm in cvs but there are hundreds of files. any idea what name it has? |
| 19:52.33 | JeffM2501 | you tell me |
| 19:52.50 | JeffM2501 | fungushead, it's the only file in the admin project |
| 19:52.54 | JeffM2501 | with it's whoping 8 people |
| 19:52.56 | fungushead | ok |
| 19:53.48 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, it probably asn't the best idea in the world to tell the poeple who run the masterban list to "bring it". |
| 19:54.01 | callofhonor | gain the admins of the servers trust back by playing on there servers? something like that but how am i supposed to do that if i'm banned? Happy Tanker let me on his servers, but a week later I was banned for some strange reason |
| 19:54.27 | callofhonor | I said that? |
| 19:54.32 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, you have to talk to them to find out WHY you were baned and get them to give exceptions |
| 19:54.34 | JeffM2501 | yes you did |
| 19:54.35 | callofhonor | That was stupid |
| 19:54.42 | JeffM2501 | yes it was |
| 19:54.56 | callofhonor | yeah thanks, i feel so much better......... |
| 19:55.07 | JeffM2501 | why am I suposed to make you feel better? |
| 19:55.15 | JeffM2501 | your the one that got baned |
| 19:55.16 | callofhonor | i don't know |
| 19:55.21 | callofhonor | really? |
| 19:55.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not our job to hold your hand thru it all |
| 19:55.36 | JeffM2501 | if you can't play well with others...... |
| 19:55.44 | callofhonor | -_- like i don't know that |
| 19:55.54 | JeffM2501 | I don't think you do |
| 19:56.06 | callofhonor | That was a while ago. |
| 19:56.11 | JeffM2501 | if you did you'd put some effort into it, instead of just hanging on expecting it to magicaly go away |
| 19:56.14 | fungushead | just had a look at the list. it's not that big, is it? |
| 19:56.22 | JeffM2501 | the point of the masterban is to be perma baned. |
| 19:56.25 | fungushead | i thought there would be hundreds of entries |
| 19:56.34 | JeffM2501 | no there are only 8 unique people |
| 19:56.43 | JeffM2501 | masterban is very serious, and very hard to get on |
| 19:56.53 | Birdie | even harder to get off |
| 19:57.02 | callofhonor | great thanks. |
| 19:57.06 | JeffM2501 | getting off is about as hard as geting on |
| 19:57.13 | JeffM2501 | people do get off of it |
| 19:57.19 | callofhonor | Well, I already know Viper hates me for the rest of my life |
| 19:57.20 | fungushead | when they die? |
| 19:57.25 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan is the most recent example |
| 19:57.28 | JeffM2501 | no, when they work it out |
| 19:57.43 | CBG | argh! I was in other channels and come here, and i see "getting off is about as hard as geting on", what am I to think? lol |
| 19:57.47 | Birdie | and he proved it is possible to change |
| 19:57.56 | callofhonor | How am i supposed to contact the server admins? and plus i can't remember the servers i was banned from |
| 19:58.10 | fungushead | is that UK specific usage cbg? |
| 19:58.13 | CBG | ty bryjen! |
| 19:58.18 | JeffM2501 | to get off, all you have to do, is talk to server owners, get them to give you an exception, and show that you can play for a while. Then have some of those server owners say "hey he seems to have calmed down now, give him a shot" |
| 19:58.32 | JeffM2501 | callofhonor, you do research |
| 19:58.35 | CBG | fungushead: I guess you might need to be older than 12... are you? |
| 19:58.35 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard |
| 19:58.46 | fungushead | i am. 30s actually :) |
| 19:58.55 | CBG | JeffM2501: just to put a spanner in... redsox was fine to me before, afterwards he started an argument with me. :) |
| 19:58.57 | callofhonor | So i should go back on bzflag and see what servers won't accept me and write to every admin that i am |
| 19:59.01 | Grumbler | that explains the fungus |
| 19:59.08 | Birdie | viper might hate you for the rest of your life but he isnt on anymore anyway lately |
| 19:59.16 | JeffM2501 | last time callofhonor was here, I actualy asked server ops what they would think about removing his ban, and many basicly said "hell now" |
| 19:59.23 | CBG | fungushead: I think "getting off" is a generic term for "making out" or whatever... |
| 19:59.24 | RIP-Sleepycows | its oozzing all over |
| 19:59.38 | JeffM2501 | no it's not snogging |
| 19:59.38 | CBG | fungushead: and getting on would me more literal... :( |
| 19:59.47 | CBG | jeffM2501: thank god. :) but I guessed not. |
| 19:59.49 | callofhonor | So basicly i'm in a Max Prison with almost no way out |
| 20:00.02 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways out |
| 20:00.07 | JeffM2501 | you just keep ignoring them |
| 20:00.08 | bryjen | you yourself have the keys! |
| 20:00.14 | JeffM2501 | because you want somone to do it for you |
| 20:00.16 | JeffM2501 | and they won't |
| 20:00.27 | callofhonor | i'll chaty later but i have to catch the bus cya |
| 20:00.27 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, you win the bingo |
| 20:00.37 | JeffM2501 | bingo? |
| 20:00.43 | JeffM2501 | do I get a cool suffed animal? |
| 20:00.47 | JeffM2501 | or like a blender? |
| 20:00.55 | bryjen | maybe a toaster |
| 20:00.55 | Silent_Swan | RIP-Sleepycows did you see my /msg a few min. ago??? |
| 20:00.56 | CBG | ooh a blender! :) |
| 20:01.14 | JeffM2501 | bigest thing that is his problem, he never even apologises for anytihng |
| 20:01.16 | RIP-Sleepycows | Silent_Swan, yes |
| 20:01.23 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-40-90.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:01.26 | JeffM2501 | allways comes in and just says "am I unbaned yet?" |
| 20:01.26 | Silent_Swan | ah ok... |
| 20:01.36 | Silent_Swan | soooo... |
| 20:01.52 | Silent_Swan | if you replied, i saw nothing |
| 20:01.54 | JeffM2501 | she can't send back unless she's reged :) |
| 20:01.58 | Silent_Swan | not used to this client |
| 20:02.05 | JeffM2501 | or you set your mode to allow unreg |
| 20:02.05 | Silent_Swan | ohhhhhh |
| 20:02.07 | Silent_Swan | got it |
| 20:02.12 | JeffM2501 | it's a supid freenode thing they just started |
| 20:02.26 | Aribeth | ya, just realized that jeff |
| 20:02.29 | JeffM2501 | I had to set allow unreg, since I get so many noob questions |
| 20:02.29 | Silent_Swan | oh ... that was nice |
| 20:02.36 | *** part/#bzflag fungushead (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 20:02.42 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 20:02.46 | CBG | JeffM2501: out of interest how does on allow /msg from anyone? |
| 20:03.05 | JeffM2501 | /msg nickserv help |
| 20:03.10 | *** join/#bzflag fungushead (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 20:03.12 | CBG | ah, thnx. |
| 20:03.16 | JeffM2501 | then it's like set unreged on or something |
| 20:03.26 | JeffM2501 | help will have the specifics |
| 20:03.34 | fungushead | 1 2 3 testing |
| 20:03.42 | fungushead | hmm |
| 20:03.44 | bryjen | test failed. |
| 20:03.44 | fungushead | brb |
| 20:03.45 | JeffM2501 | everyone be quiet... |
| 20:03.52 | *** part/#bzflag fungushead (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 20:03.58 | JeffM2501 | who is that? |
| 20:03.59 | CBG | ? |
| 20:04.08 | CBG | fungushead? |
| 20:04.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:04.23 | JeffM2501 | new? or just somone with a funny name? |
| 20:04.52 | CBG | no idea. |
| 20:04.59 | *** join/#bzflag snick (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 20:05.09 | CBG | JeffM2501: /msg nickserv SET UNFILTERED did it |
| 20:05.12 | CBG | hello snick! :) |
| 20:05.16 | snick | hi |
| 20:05.16 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 20:05.31 | snick | need to find out how to register this |
| 20:05.32 | CBG | snick == fungushead? |
| 20:05.40 | snick | indeedy |
| 20:05.45 | JeffM2501 | snick, /msg nickserv help |
| 20:05.47 | Silent_Swan | you know WHO he is??? |
| 20:05.50 | Silent_Swan | oops |
| 20:05.53 | snick | ty |
| 20:06.01 | JeffM2501 | somone ww'ed :) |
| 20:06.01 | CBG | Silent_Swan: you dont know snick? |
| 20:06.06 | Silent_Swan | heh |
| 20:06.16 | snick | completely new to me this IRC game |
| 20:06.21 | Silent_Swan | CBG no, that was supposed to go to /msg :) |
| 20:06.27 | JeffM2501 | irc is a game? |
| 20:06.29 | CBG | snick: its not too hard to get used to ;) |
| 20:06.33 | snick | i can't see any tanks. how do i shoot people on IRC? |
| 20:06.46 | CBG | silent_swan, ok ;) |
| 20:06.50 | Silent_Swan | irc pong: |
| 20:06.51 | CBG | snick: lol. |
| 20:06.52 | Silent_Swan | | . |
| 20:06.55 | Silent_Swan | . | |
| 20:06.56 | Silent_Swan | | . |
| 20:06.58 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 20:07.10 | CBG | snick thankfully you cant. I like it here. :) |
| 20:07.30 | JeffM2501 | no you don't |
| 20:07.32 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 20:07.35 | CBG | I said I did. :P |
| 20:07.47 | JeffM2501 | oooo tupone arms up |
| 20:07.59 | JeffM2501 | I think tupone fears I'll ban everyone some day |
| 20:08.11 | CBG | Is he wrong to? :) |
| 20:08.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:08.30 | JeffM2501 | I think he feels I am some sort of controll freak |
| 20:08.30 | JeffM2501 | just because I have difrent ideas |
| 20:08.30 | CBG | you're not? |
| 20:08.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:08.35 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 20:08.40 | JeffM2501 | I just got the dirty job |
| 20:08.47 | bryjen | harry? |
| 20:08.48 | CBG | yeah, you got that right. ;) |
| 20:08.53 | JeffM2501 | I quit once |
| 20:08.57 | JeffM2501 | but was asked back |
| 20:09.05 | CBG | lol. nobody else would do it? |
| 20:09.16 | JeffM2501 | it is not hard, it just takes time |
| 20:09.20 | bryjen | jeffm is the bouncer of bz |
| 20:09.26 | JeffM2501 | and you have to be able to not be offended that easly |
| 20:09.31 | CBG | "come on, Jeff, noone else wants to do your crappy job.... come back! please, jeff!" right? |
| 20:09.35 | JeffM2501 | it's just text |
| 20:09.44 | JeffM2501 | no nothing like that |
| 20:09.50 | CBG | heh. |
| 20:10.07 | JeffM2501 | more of a 'you wana clean it up again?'.. 'sure' |
| 20:10.21 | JeffM2501 | more of a janitor then a bouncer |
| 20:10.32 | JeffM2501 | avatar deletion |
| 20:10.35 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 20:11.15 | JeffM2501 | you'd think common sense would kick in at some point, but I guess I have to add "no you can not have boobies on your avatar" |
| 20:11.56 | CBG | what? |
| 20:11.59 | CBG | why not? :P |
| 20:12.08 | JeffM2501 | you read it |
| 20:12.20 | CBG | I did....? |
| 20:12.23 | JeffM2501 | you'd be suprised at what people post, and say "oh, I thought it was cool" |
| 20:12.36 | CBG | perhaps it was cool? |
| 20:12.44 | JeffM2501 | cool as in ok for the forums |
| 20:12.52 | CBG | ahh, ;) |
| 20:13.36 | JeffM2501 | I mean if you can't say "s**t" in a forum, you'd think you can't put pr0n up ether |
| 20:13.51 | CBG | well... |
| 20:14.02 | CBG | my college has blocked every site ever.... |
| 20:14.10 | CBG | including things like bz league sites, etc |
| 20:14.11 | JeffM2501 | I mean I love shellfish, but some people are alergic |
| 20:14.27 | CBG | but, you can go on google images, turn off googles filter, and get up porn pics... :) |
| 20:14.38 | CBG | alergic? heh. :) |
| 20:14.40 | JeffM2501 | that is realy really sad man |
| 20:14.49 | CBG | its stupid. |
| 20:15.00 | CBG | the techs are dumb as. |
| 20:15.14 | Silent_Swan | CBG so this is what you do in yoru spare time, eh? :) |
| 20:15.14 | JeffM2501 | that's nice |
| 20:15.26 | JeffM2501 | that's like dumpster diving for h00ch |
| 20:15.27 | Silent_Swan | the very fact that you know that says something... hehe |
| 20:15.29 | CBG | silent_swan: I didnt find out about the porn. |
| 20:15.34 | Silent_Swan | ah sure :) |
| 20:15.43 | CBG | It was fat pav... |
| 20:15.56 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, you know he is now going 'ack.. um.. epp.' |
| 20:16.19 | CBG | fat pav is the sort of guy who calls the teacher over to his pc and says "can I look at the white house website?" |
| 20:16.20 | *** join/#bzflag snick (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 20:16.21 | Silent_Swan | not |
| 20:16.24 | JeffM2501 | geg |
| 20:16.24 | CBG | teacher:sure |
| 20:16.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:16.41 | CBG | fat-pav types in an url, gvets up porn. |
| 20:16.50 | CBG | teacher blushes and doesnt know what to do. |
| 20:17.15 | CBG | thats fat pav. and fat pav searched for porn on google images. |
| 20:17.17 | jomojo | sigh server list seems to be down |
| 20:17.25 | CBG | I was just trying to get to the bz league sites... |
| 20:17.25 | snick | ok. callsign registered. |
| 20:17.32 | CBG | snick: cool. :) |
| 20:17.32 | JeffM2501 | um why are you telling us all about this "fat-pav" |
| 20:17.42 | jomojo | yeah CBG |
| 20:17.44 | snick | can you tell i'm not an imposter? |
| 20:17.44 | JeffM2501 | just deal with your porn obbsesion and be done with it |
| 20:17.51 | Silent_Swan | as long as we don't have to touch his keyboard, all is well |
| 20:18.08 | Aribeth | ya |
| 20:18.15 | JeffM2501 | he's in england, there is an ocean to wash it off if it ever came here |
| 20:18.20 | snick | wouldn't want someone turning up with my callsign saying "i'm snick and i'm and idiot"! hang on... i do that myself :( |
| 20:18.20 | CBG | Jeffm2501: I have dealed with it, but it was fat pav searching for it during class. not me. |
| 20:18.26 | CBG | Its not england her.e |
| 20:18.28 | CBG | here. |
| 20:18.33 | CBG | get it straight. |
| 20:18.41 | CBG | lol snick. |
| 20:18.42 | JeffM2501 | entire machine is slow |
| 20:18.43 | JeffM2501 | checking it out |
| 20:19.07 | JeffM2501 | sorry, UK/wales |
| 20:19.19 | CBG | Just Wales, will do. :) |
| 20:19.44 | JeffM2501 | oh ether rebel or accept it |
| 20:19.50 | snick | does the SA in Brains SA stand for Skull Attack? |
| 20:19.58 | jomojo | who runs the list server? |
| 20:19.59 | Grumbler | whales? |
| 20:20.04 | bryjen | wailes? |
| 20:20.10 | CBG | snick: not really, but, some say so. :) |
| 20:20.31 | SportChick | is list server down? |
| 20:20.32 | CBG | grumbler, bryjen, no. |
| 20:20.32 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, I am looking at it now |
| 20:20.35 | JeffM2501 | it has problems |
| 20:20.47 | bryjen | whines. |
| 20:20.52 | JeffM2501 | probably gonna restart apache in a sec |
| 20:21.11 | JeffM2501 | as soon as the bloddy netstat runs |
| 20:23.00 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ping |
| 20:24.08 | JeffM2501 | learner, ping.. like important |
| 20:24.15 | JeffM2501 | this isn't good |
| 20:24.42 | brlcad | ? |
| 20:25.05 | Silent_Swan | "this isn't good"... i instinctively cringe with the knowledge taht i'm going to be doing a LOT of work whenever i hear that phrase |
| 20:25.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah it' may be THAT kind of bad too |
| 20:25.41 | jomojo | oy |
| 20:25.58 | jomojo | don't tell me server is in Texas or something and everything is about to drowned |
| 20:26.01 | JeffM2501 | it may be your little buddy ari |
| 20:26.04 | Grumbler | any coincidence that callof* just left |
| 20:26.06 | JeffM2501 | no it's in arizona |
| 20:26.14 | JeffM2501 | I can connect to it just fine via ssh |
| 20:26.19 | JeffM2501 | apache is not happy |
| 20:26.33 | Aribeth | nope, but my server is in TX |
| 20:27.01 | Grumbler | is netstat back yet |
| 20:27.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:27.21 | JeffM2501 | talking to brlcad about it now |
| 20:27.36 | Grumbler | then dont be talking with me....get'r done |
| 20:27.53 | bryjen | ~bzfrag Grumbler |
| 20:27.55 | ibot | ACTION squishes Grumbler with a steamroller |
| 20:28.04 | Aribeth | ouch |
| 20:28.33 | Grumbler | ever notice that bryjen is like the mob muscle for the devs :) |
| 20:28.37 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@24-159-197-101.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 20:29.00 | Silent_Swan | word of advice - do not attempt to run BZ on an older sun box with a creator3d card... |
| 20:29.11 | TD-Linux | I have some more advice: |
| 20:29.22 | TD-Linux | don't run BZFlag on a box with a S3 Savage4 chipset VC |
| 20:29.29 | TD-Linux | even though i do ;) |
| 20:29.49 | bryjen | s3=graphics decelerator |
| 20:29.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:30.01 | JeffM2501 | any savage is crap |
| 20:30.08 | TD-Linux | this is a Number 9 card |
| 20:30.15 | TD-Linux | they went bankrupt a long time ago |
| 20:30.28 | Grumbler | ah, thats the problem you need a Number 5 |
| 20:30.38 | Grumbler | Number 5 alive |
| 20:30.43 | bryjen | #2 ? |
| 20:30.56 | Aribeth | ~Grumbler++ |
| 20:31.10 | TD-Linux | number 5? what is thatS? |
| 20:31.20 | TD-Linux | number 9 is a company |
| 20:31.28 | Aribeth | you are not knowing your movies |
| 20:31.34 | JeffM2501 | number 9 made like 1 3d card |
| 20:31.37 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 20:31.43 | TD-Linux | I know |
| 20:31.52 | JeffM2501 | no dissasembe staphanie!!!! |
| 20:31.56 | TD-Linux | I think it used the Savage 3D |
| 20:32.02 | TD-Linux | ;( |
| 20:32.02 | JeffM2501 | spend the 20$ and get a real card |
| 20:32.11 | TD-Linux | no, it's $30 |
| 20:32.13 | Aribeth | ie. Short Circuit |
| 20:32.21 | Grumbler | "oooooo, soft ware" |
| 20:32.25 | Silent_Swan | oh god, i remember that movie |
| 20:32.31 | Aribeth | get a Geforce |
| 20:32.37 | Silent_Swan | or ATI |
| 20:32.51 | JeffM2501 | GF2MX $17.99 |
| 20:32.58 | Aribeth | Geforce 6600 GT is a very good card |
| 20:33.02 | JeffM2501 | http://3btech.net/chnvgemx32sd.html |
| 20:34.41 | JeffM2501 | if you want to spend like 25$ get a GF4mx 64 |
| 20:35.13 | TD-Linux | with a 600mhz processor, I'm not upgrading this computer ;) |
| 20:35.20 | JeffM2501 | whynot? |
| 20:35.24 | TD-Linux | my other one I use for bzflag, has that x700pro |
| 20:35.26 | JeffM2501 | a GPU will take time off the CPU |
| 20:35.38 | TD-Linux | 3.4ghz pentium4 550 |
| 20:35.52 | TD-Linux | it overheats all the time |
| 20:35.57 | TD-Linux | goes over 75 C in bzflag |
| 20:36.10 | Silent_Swan | plan on getting a couple |
| 20:36.12 | ToughShooter | That's not hot at all |
| 20:36.14 | TD-Linux | I i use stock cooler at full speed with artic silver 5 |
| 20:36.16 | Silent_Swan | stacked mac servers |
| 20:36.27 | TD-Linux | two 120mm fans in an antec sonata 1 case |
| 20:36.35 | TD-Linux | and a 80mm one |
| 20:36.58 | TD-Linux | the 80mm one zip-tied to a piece of the frame, right over the mosfets ;() |
| 20:37.45 | JeffM2501 | must be a P4 with that much heat :) |
| 20:37.56 | TD-Linux | yup |
| 20:38.03 | JeffM2501 | P4 just pay more |
| 20:38.07 | TD-Linux | I know |
| 20:38.13 | TD-Linux | should have got A64 |
| 20:38.17 | TD-Linux | X2 looks really good |
| 20:38.22 | JeffM2501 | they are |
| 20:38.28 | TD-Linux | I could play bzflag and do a povray render at the same time! |
| 20:38.29 | ToughShooter | My CPU is always at around 91C and hard drive at 61C when I play BZFlag |
| 20:38.38 | TD-Linux | my povray renders take an hour sometimes |
| 20:38.39 | JeffM2501 | damn that's high |
| 20:38.45 | TD-Linux | ??? |
| 20:38.50 | JeffM2501 | 91 |
| 20:38.57 | TD-Linux | you realize that the cpu automatically throttles itself at above 75 C |
| 20:39.05 | ToughShooter | The temperature for CPU is ok |
| 20:39.10 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 20:39.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 20:39.12 | TD-Linux | so your processor is running at 1/8 clock normall |
| 20:39.27 | TD-Linux | above 75 C extremely shortens the life of the processor |
| 20:39.33 | TD-Linux | expect it to fail within a yesr |
| 20:39.39 | *** part/#bzflag snick (n=test@dsl-80-42-184-167.access.as9105.com) |
| 20:39.42 | Aribeth | different cpu's have different thermal limits |
| 20:39.48 | ToughShooter | It's a PPC |
| 20:39.52 | JeffM2501 | that they do, |
| 20:39.52 | TD-Linux | nvm |
| 20:39.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah they go higher |
| 20:39.58 | TD-Linux | I thought it was a p4 |
| 20:40.02 | JeffM2501 | but still that's a LOT of wasted juice |
| 20:40.04 | TD-Linux | ppc are known for extreme heat |
| 20:40.14 | JeffM2501 | and power consumption |
| 20:40.17 | ToughShooter | Only the G5s get so hot |
| 20:40.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:40.26 | JeffM2501 | now I see why apple is looking elsewhere |
| 20:40.29 | Silent_Swan | that's probably why there's not a G5-based laptop |
| 20:40.34 | TD-Linux | which make the apple G5 cooling systems look like an air conditioner for the Sears Tower |
| 20:40.35 | JeffM2501 | nor a G5 mini |
| 20:40.38 | JeffM2501 | it would explode |
| 20:40.48 | *** join/#bzflag bz9104 (n=502ab8a7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:40.49 | ToughShooter | All previous generations have been very low at both power consumption and temperature |
| 20:40.51 | TD-Linux | apple is cool |
| 20:40.56 | Silent_Swan | apple WAS cool |
| 20:41.03 | TD-Linux | apple still is |
| 20:41.05 | JeffM2501 | apple used to be fanless |
| 20:41.11 | Silent_Swan | now they're just more of the same old |
| 20:41.20 | TD-Linux | there brand-new IIgs line rocks! |
| 20:41.27 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 20:41.27 | ToughShooter | I still have a blueberry ibook here. |
| 20:41.32 | *** join/#bzflag bz9104 (n=502ab8a7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:41.35 | Silent_Swan | if i want to run x86, why pay $3000 for an apple version when i can build a nicer one for half that |
| 20:41.44 | TD-Linux | good point |
| 20:42.03 | JeffM2501 | ohh just run the hack that lets OSX run on real hardware :) |
| 20:42.09 | Silent_Swan | yep |
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| 20:42.14 | ToughShooter | There is not much info for next used CPU models |
| 20:42.18 | JeffM2501 | the mini is a decent format for a second machine |
| 20:42.19 | Silent_Swan | the hack that apple has tried to have pulled from all the sites |
| 20:42.20 | JeffM2501 | I like mine |
| 20:42.27 | JeffM2501 | it does overheat every so oftent ho |
| 20:42.40 | Silent_Swan | i'm getting at least 2 of them.. one to run server apps, another to run my music software |
| 20:42.44 | Silent_Swan | logic, etc... |
| 20:42.57 | bz9104 | meacan |
| 20:42.58 | JeffM2501 | don't set anything on top of em |
| 20:43.03 | Silent_Swan | heh no |
| 20:43.03 | meacan | bz9104: yes? |
| 20:43.04 | ToughShooter | If they use a costum microcode + fritz chip it might get difficult to crack |
| 20:43.09 | JeffM2501 | the cd drive dosn't like it |
| 20:43.18 | JeffM2501 | makes horible noises |
| 20:43.28 | Silent_Swan | are the fans in the minis good? |
| 20:43.36 | Silent_Swan | or should it be replaced with something useful? |
| 20:43.37 | JeffM2501 | the one fan is a little underpowerd |
| 20:43.40 | JeffM2501 | I can overheat mine |
| 20:43.40 | Silent_Swan | figures |
| 20:43.41 | ToughShooter | The mini is an ibook! |
| 20:43.45 | Silent_Swan | i prefer noise to heat |
| 20:43.53 | Silent_Swan | my computer room at home is HOT all the time anyway |
| 20:43.54 | JeffM2501 | also know that it does NOT have any kind of audio input |
| 20:43.56 | meacan | bz9104: what's up? |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM2501 | the mini is what an ibook should be |
| 20:44.06 | Silent_Swan | JeffM2501 doesn't matter... as long as it has USB input |
| 20:44.11 | JeffM2501 | it as 2 |
| 20:44.14 | Silent_Swan | or firewire |
| 20:44.17 | JeffM2501 | 1 |
| 20:44.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm runnin sound in via USB |
| 20:44.30 | JeffM2501 | it works ok |
| 20:44.31 | Silent_Swan | since i use an audio converter (firewire) and MIDI/USB converter |
| 20:44.39 | JeffM2501 | sucks a bit more CPU then a real card but not bad |
| 20:44.54 | ToughShooter | if you look at the specs it gets clear that the mini is a modified ibook, it even uses notebook hard drives |
| 20:45.01 | Silent_Swan | matters not if all i'm doing is entering notation or recording |
| 20:45.04 | JeffM2501 | yes, but it has a faster bus |
| 20:45.12 | JeffM2501 | and that' is a huge Diff |
| 20:45.36 | JeffM2501 | you will need an iSpatula to add more ram tho :) |
| 20:45.40 | JeffM2501 | opening them is 'fun' |
| 20:45.59 | Silent_Swan | hmm |
| 20:46.13 | Silent_Swan | the low-end better have AT LEAST 512k |
| 20:46.20 | Silent_Swan | er |
| 20:46.22 | Silent_Swan | 512M |
| 20:46.22 | Silent_Swan | haha |
| 20:46.34 | Grumbler | orchid, possible feature request for mute.....a symbol in the scoreboard that indicates the player has been muted... |
| 20:46.42 | ToughShooter | 512k level one would be nice |
| 20:47.17 | ToughShooter | it's clear that the OS is way better than the hardware |
| 20:47.17 | Grumbler | ...coming from warf |
| 20:47.28 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, get a gig, it helps a lot |
| 20:47.33 | Silent_Swan | definitely |
| 20:47.40 | JeffM2501 | apple charges a lot for ram |
| 20:47.43 | Silent_Swan | definitely |
| 20:47.44 | JeffM2501 | easyer to put it in yourself |
| 20:48.23 | bryjen | baaaa |
| 20:48.45 | JeffM2501 | list server and stuff should be fine now, please let us know if it has any other problems |
| 20:49.15 | JeffM2501 | I do like my mini, playing with garage band is fun |
| 20:49.18 | JeffM2501 | and it runs WoW ok |
| 20:49.27 | Silent_Swan | yuck, garageband |
| 20:49.28 | JeffM2501 | tho that is what can overheat it |
| 20:49.35 | ToughShooter | Is there a backup server when bzls one has hardware problems? |
| 20:49.44 | JeffM2501 | well I am not very musicaly inclined, so it's fun for me :) |
| 20:49.49 | Silent_Swan | ah ok :) |
| 20:49.59 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, yeah we have a couple machiens we could swap to in case of a REALY bad thing |
| 20:50.13 | JeffM2501 | we could have it go to bzflag.bz very easy |
| 20:50.13 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Good to hear :) |
| 20:50.18 | Silent_Swan | i nearly became a professional musician.. it was what i wanted out of life... but then, i decided i wanted to eat |
| 20:50.40 | JeffM2501 | that's the same reason I'm not an artist :) |
| 20:50.50 | Silent_Swan | *sigh* ah well |
| 20:50.55 | JeffM2501 | "graphic design.. you can be an artist, AND have a car" |
| 20:51.31 | Silent_Swan | people suggested i get into doing music scores for film, etc... but the competition in such a field is extremely high |
| 20:51.41 | JeffM2501 | it can be |
| 20:51.44 | Silent_Swan | 1:1,000,000 shot |
| 20:52.03 | Silent_Swan | not sure i'd really want to do that anyway |
| 20:52.12 | JeffM2501 | heard some great violinists at the city walk, turns out they do scores for trailers |
| 20:52.18 | JeffM2501 | theyw ere so good, I got tehre CD |
| 20:52.54 | JeffM2501 | then I had too many sour apple martinis |
| 20:53.23 | Silent_Swan | a good friend of mine from way back is a professional violinist... very good, has played with major orchestras... and she still lives with her family (at 32 years old) because the pay is so bad |
| 20:53.33 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 20:54.09 | JeffM2501 | guess there just isn't call for it on a 9-5 basis |
| 20:54.43 | Silent_Swan | guess not |
| 20:55.51 | Silent_Swan | *sigh* havn't seen her in a long time... last i heard, she moved out of state :( |
| 20:56.17 | Silent_Swan | well, i have to go look busy for a bit.. bye all |
| 20:59.18 | TD-Linux | oh no! the list server went down again |
| 20:59.46 | TD-Linux | my.bzflag.org is down, at least |
| 20:59.54 | TD-Linux | ~bzlsquery |
| 20:59.58 | TD-Linux | ~bzlquery |
| 21:00.04 | TD-Linux | ~bzquery |
| 21:01.39 | TD-Linux | anyone here? |
| 21:02.29 | CBG | no. |
| 21:03.06 | TD-Linux | my.bzflag.org is down |
| 21:03.18 | brlcad | you were heard the first time |
| 21:03.19 | CBG | thats nice. :) |
| 21:03.21 | brlcad | thanks ;) |
| 21:03.30 | TD-Linux | how do you use bzbloote? |
| 21:03.37 | SportChick | ugh...it's down again |
| 21:03.42 | SportChick | oops |
| 21:03.46 | SportChick | sorry for being repetitive |
| 21:03.47 | TD-Linux | it's up again |
| 21:03.49 | Tupone | brlcad: hi :) and SportChick too |
| 21:03.55 | SportChick | Tupone: hiya |
| 21:04.02 | brlcad | the web server crashed, I restarted it |
| 21:04.08 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 21:04.25 | TD-Linux | it's on your computer? |
| 21:04.45 | TD-Linux | *in your access? |
| 21:04.52 | TD-Linux | never knew that |
| 21:05.07 | TD-Linux | ugh.. it isn't working agian |
| 21:05.09 | brlcad | hold on, something else is going on |
| 21:07.07 | brlcad | it's back up, but i'll see if I can't figure out why it's crashing |
| 21:09.16 | brlcad | ~nslookup 193.201.54.13 |
| 21:09.59 | *** join/#bzflag pgm (n=pgm@cs181163216.pp.htv.fi) |
| 21:10.06 | brlcad | anyone recognize that ip? |
| 21:10.15 | brlcad | it's running a 1m cron job |
| 21:10.21 | JeffM2501 | wtf? |
| 21:10.40 | pgm | is this a players group or developers? |
| 21:10.51 | brlcad | pgm: both, though more the latter usually |
| 21:11.01 | JeffM2501 | mostly devs pgm, players are mostly in #bzchat |
| 21:11.03 | brlcad | bzchat is more for random stuff |
| 21:11.31 | bryjen | ~country .dk |
| 21:11.32 | ibot | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
| 21:11.39 | TD-Linux | umm... I have seen that before |
| 21:11.49 | TD-Linux | I think I have seen it before soemplace.. |
| 21:11.59 | brlcad | i think it's just a misconfigured stats poller |
| 21:12.00 | TD-Linux | don't know where |
| 21:12.18 | brlcad | but still, it's polling incorrectly |
| 21:12.25 | JeffM2501 | I'd block it for now |
| 21:12.29 | JeffM2501 | see who pipes up |
| 21:12.36 | pgm | have much have you invested in playbility of bzflag? |
| 21:12.37 | JeffM2501 | great minds.... |
| 21:12.42 | pgm | how much |
| 21:12.54 | JeffM2501 | pgm, what do you mean? |
| 21:13.06 | JeffM2501 | all the work since 1994 has been to get it where it is |
| 21:13.10 | pgm | that it would be a reaction-based game |
| 21:13.33 | pgm | most games just cripple players, and don't give them the possibility to use reactions to beat others |
| 21:13.35 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not intedned to be a twitch game, just an action game |
| 21:13.50 | JeffM2501 | there is an element of strategy to it as well |
| 21:14.14 | pgm | well, its also disappointing to hear that x86 is mostly broken when it comes to timing of the processor |
| 21:14.33 | JeffM2501 | there were some bugs on it with windows, they have been worked out |
| 21:14.43 | JeffM2501 | it should be fine in the current 2.0.4 release candidates |
| 21:15.00 | JeffM2501 | was it a laptop you had a problem with? |
| 21:15.15 | pgm | me? no |
| 21:15.26 | brlcad | wow, the web server really is very busy |
| 21:15.29 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, too busy I fear |
| 21:15.50 | pgm | in general, the x86 processors are broken, the mice dont work as well as they should |
| 21:15.59 | JeffM2501 | pgm, under what OS? |
| 21:16.16 | pgm | under all OSes, they have done some various fixes to avoid it |
| 21:16.36 | pgm | FreeBSD spends some cpu time to try to get timings right |
| 21:16.43 | JeffM2501 | there have been some problems with mice that move too fast, it is a known problem. the next vversion will fix some of it, |
| 21:16.51 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-154-131.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:16.53 | pgm | Linux cant get the timings right, even with latest 2.6 release |
| 21:16.55 | JeffM2501 | 2.2.0 will fix it more ( we have to change some messages ). |
| 21:16.55 | bryjen | yikes. brlcad, that IP has been hitting my server every couple of minutes since early august. connect/disconnect |
| 21:17.14 | JeffM2501 | somone is running an overly agressive server scanner |
| 21:17.22 | pgm | Jeff:I am talking about precision steering, where you need everything out of mouse |
| 21:17.29 | JeffM2501 | pgm, I know |
| 21:17.42 | TD-Linux | you could just block that ip and see what happens >:-) |
| 21:17.52 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, we did, you are so very behind the times :) |
| 21:17.53 | pgm | Jeff:it turned out that logitech mice are crap, even mx310 for fast games |
| 21:17.55 | brlcad | JeffM2501: possibly |
| 21:18.04 | JeffM2501 | pgm, well duh, it's logitech ;) |
| 21:18.14 | brlcad | though it might just be a very "busy" friday evening combined with some misbehaving server |
| 21:18.15 | TD-Linux | i have alogitech mouse and keyboard |
| 21:18.23 | TD-Linux | the TAB key is already wearing out |
| 21:18.23 | pgm | Jeff:yeah but you couldnt tell it from their specs, they look fine on paper |
| 21:18.33 | brlcad | shouldn't be too much for the server to handle |
| 21:18.38 | JeffM2501 | many things look fine on paper |
| 21:18.43 | brlcad | i'm going to increase the connection count though |
| 21:18.51 | JeffM2501 | no it shouldn't be, but it just seems high for what that machien does |
| 21:18.57 | pgm | Jeff:but microsoft opticals beat them easily, and I dont know why. Does anyone else know why? |
| 21:19.12 | JeffM2501 | we arn't hardware experts |
| 21:19.36 | JeffM2501 | I generaly don't have any problems with mouse movement |
| 21:19.46 | TD-Linux | my microsoft mouse is awesome! |
| 21:19.48 | JeffM2501 | I get shot equaly well with any mouse |
| 21:19.58 | TD-Linux | it's right up there with the vaccum cleaners |
| 21:20.02 | JeffM2501 | the gamepad is kinda fun |
| 21:20.17 | pgm | perhaps not in bzflag. But there is game called xpilot, in which mouse matters everything |
| 21:20.17 | TD-Linux | I have a logitech gamepad |
| 21:20.23 | meacan | bryjen: .dk is denmark :) |
| 21:20.23 | JeffM2501 | as do I |
| 21:20.25 | JeffM2501 | it works well |
| 21:20.39 | JeffM2501 | tho halo changed how I play FPS games forever |
| 21:20.42 | wizart | Did anyone ever think of using the trackpoint of a thinkpad as a joystick for bzflag ? |
| 21:20.43 | JeffM2501 | so that may be part of it |
| 21:20.59 | JeffM2501 | wizart, the intelinipple? |
| 21:21.04 | wizart | yes this one |
| 21:21.09 | TD-Linux | I have the dual analog stick one, but the left analog stick has problems |
| 21:21.13 | JeffM2501 | I hate those things |
| 21:21.25 | pgm | do you get teamcups and such played with bzflag? |
| 21:21.27 | wizart | I use them instead of the touchpad |
| 21:21.33 | meacan | brlcad: fortix site is running from that ip |
| 21:21.43 | wizart | when you get used to them they are really good |
| 21:21.46 | pgm | is there any competition for excellence in this game? |
| 21:22.01 | JeffM2501 | pgm, some places run tournamnets every so often |
| 21:22.07 | wizart | And you don't have to move your hand as much as you have to move them to grab the mouse |
| 21:22.08 | JeffM2501 | but nothing officaly supported by the project |
| 21:22.50 | JeffM2501 | there are a couple leauges |
| 21:22.59 | JeffM2501 | that do matches and teams and stuff |
| 21:23.05 | TD-Linux | I have right hand on mouse, left hand on TAB |
| 21:23.16 | JeffM2501 | tab? |
| 21:23.20 | TD-Linux | with a laptop I use a usb wireless mouse |
| 21:23.26 | TD-Linux | or I move tab to the ] key |
| 21:23.29 | CBG | It surprises me how many people use the default keys. |
| 21:23.33 | TD-Linux | so it is easier to play with the keyboard |
| 21:23.40 | CBG | I could never do that, they are all over the place. :) |
| 21:23.52 | TD-Linux | yes, tab is better suited to the ] key |
| 21:23.58 | TD-Linux | I mean jump |
| 21:24.02 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (n=nadic666@toronto-HSE-ppp4266114.sympatico.ca) |
| 21:24.08 | pgm | but all players are about equally good, if they have a good link |
| 21:24.19 | CBG | I have jump at X. shoot is C.. :) |
| 21:24.26 | JeffM2501 | thre are large variations in skill |
| 21:24.38 | TD-Linux | I use TAB on the desktops, as I always use the mouse |
| 21:24.50 | TD-Linux | no wonder I never see jeff play bzflag... |
| 21:25.04 | JeffM2501 | because the game is silly |
| 21:25.09 | JeffM2501 | it's very weak in gameplay |
| 21:25.14 | brlcad | meacan: good to know, thanks |
| 21:25.20 | bryjen | and he sucks |
| 21:25.27 | JeffM2501 | I do |
| 21:25.29 | brlcad | when a fortix admin can fix it, i'll unblock them :) |
| 21:25.34 | JeffM2501 | bryjen can attest to it :) |
| 21:25.35 | TD-Linux | the game is way better than some stupid game like halo or doom |
| 21:25.41 | meacan | bryjen: Do i need to do something? |
| 21:25.43 | pgm | how do you measure goodness? kill / death ratio? |
| 21:25.44 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, you know little |
| 21:25.51 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501++ |
| 21:26.03 | JeffM2501 | everyone has there own favorates tho |
| 21:26.12 | JeffM2501 | I can see what I want it to be in my head |
| 21:26.19 | JeffM2501 | I just have to make it a reality one day |
| 21:26.24 | TD-Linux | OpenCombat? |
| 21:26.24 | brlcad | pgm: kill /death ratio is dependant on how long you play and against who, so not the best metric ;) |
| 21:26.25 | bryjen | meacan: something is polling the list server (and at least my bzfs) very frequently from that address |
| 21:26.45 | TD-Linux | then block that addresssss and see who whines on the forums |
| 21:26.50 | JeffM2501 | opencombat is close to the idea |
| 21:26.53 | JeffM2501 | there are many levels |
| 21:26.53 | TD-Linux | did you do a whois? |
| 21:26.57 | JeffM2501 | games are like onions |
| 21:27.12 | brlcad | par fait.. everyone loves par fait |
| 21:27.21 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:27.21 | pgm | probably the best players use best mice and have a good link |
| 21:27.26 | JeffM2501 | I know I do |
| 21:28.09 | CBG | pgm: you can play without a mouse at all? |
| 21:28.11 | brlcad | I got pretty decent if I do say so myself when I played consistently |
| 21:28.16 | brlcad | and I don't even use a mouse |
| 21:28.24 | CBG | pgm: am I one of the worst of all players because I don't use a mouse? :) |
| 21:28.28 | meacan | bryjen: Like very minute or so? |
| 21:28.32 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, purple_cow p0wnz0rz j00 |
| 21:28.40 | bryjen | meacan: yes |
| 21:28.44 | brlcad | JeffM2501: only on the stupid jumping maps ;) |
| 21:28.49 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 21:28.50 | bryjen | s/very/every/ |
| 21:28.57 | JeffM2501 | aka 95% of them |
| 21:28.58 | brlcad | take his jump away and he was mine ;) |
| 21:29.07 | JeffM2501 | decks sans jumping is just silly tho |
| 21:29.39 | brlcad | not if you add a couple bases down there ;) |
| 21:29.54 | pgm | well playing in 3-d is perhaps clumsy until we get datagloves and such to control the steering |
| 21:29.57 | JeffM2501 | need jump pads, and not jump on the tank |
| 21:30.00 | JeffM2501 | that could be fun :) |
| 21:30.16 | JeffM2501 | pgm, you drive a car with out a dataglove and it's 3d :) |
| 21:30.37 | bryjen | JeffM2501: your car jumps? |
| 21:30.43 | pgm | yeah, but the turning isnt exactly real time in 3-d games |
| 21:30.46 | JeffM2501 | hydrualics baby! |
| 21:30.54 | JeffM2501 | pgm, it could e |
| 21:30.55 | JeffM2501 | be |
| 21:31.03 | JeffM2501 | jato! |
| 21:31.08 | pgm | and you dont get a touch in how to swing around |
| 21:31.10 | brlcad | CBG: fellow keyboarder? |
| 21:31.15 | meacan | bryjen: did this crash to bzls? (im trying to figure out what to write to david :)) |
| 21:31.16 | JeffM2501 | one even has wings |
| 21:31.20 | CBG | brlcad: you bet. |
| 21:31.32 | bryjen | meacan: it was crashing the *list server* :( |
| 21:31.43 | brlcad | ~CBG++ |
| 21:31.49 | CBG | if i wasn't on a laptop, on my lap, I would try to take up the mouse... but, trackpad is too hard, although i do use it occassionally. |
| 21:32.46 | CBG | ~brlcad++ |
| 21:33.11 | pgm | waiting for the m$ optical laser, should be good mouse |
| 21:33.47 | brlcad | I don't see any stale connections accumulating, so it may simply be a matter of reaching apache's connection limit and apache shutting down for some reason |
| 21:33.48 | JeffM2501 | a game is much more then it's input device |
| 21:33.54 | brlcad | perhaps a bug |
| 21:34.34 | CBG | JeffM2501: Thats the point i was making. :) |
| 21:34.43 | brlcad | hmm... that's wierd |
| 21:34.45 | *** join/#bzflag Silent_Swan (n=pepper@adsl-66-73-166-47.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 21:34.52 | Silent_Swan | *sigh* undernet is getting boring |
| 21:34.54 | pgm | Jeff:yeah, but i know the tactics in capture the flag games, it should be similar in any games |
| 21:34.54 | CBG | wb silent_swan |
| 21:34.55 | brlcad | apache and apache2 are BOTH configured to run |
| 21:34.58 | Silent_Swan | ty |
| 21:35.07 | brlcad | o.O |
| 21:35.36 | pgm | Jeff:cover the one taking the flag, and see that the enemy in meantime doesnt capture your treasure |
| 21:35.37 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.54 | CBG | bryjen...? |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM2501 | I couldn't get enough, so I had to self destruct, |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM2501 | The heat was on, rising to the top |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM2501 | Everybody's goin' strong |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM2501 | That is when my spark got hot |
| 21:36.41 | JeffM2501 | I heard somebody say |
| 21:36.46 | JeffM2501 | Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno! ( |
| 21:36.55 | bryjen | CBG: brlcad: "apache and apache2 are BOTH configured to run" |
| 21:37.26 | CBG | JeffM2501: O.o |
| 21:37.27 | bryjen | JeffM2501: unthank you for that image |
| 21:37.32 | JeffM2501 | and then it goes to motzart... that's a change. |
| 21:37.37 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, your very welcome |
| 21:37.50 | JeffM2501 | I live to serve |
| 21:38.20 | pgm | what kind of packet protocols do you have for steering? |
| 21:38.33 | pgm | is it robust to loss and lag? |
| 21:38.37 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 21:38.39 | JeffM2501 | simple DR |
| 21:38.41 | JeffM2501 | that's about it |
| 21:38.45 | brlcad | ahh.. JeffM2501 |
| 21:38.48 | JeffM2501 | bflag is a lan game |
| 21:38.50 | brlcad | MaxClients is 150 |
| 21:38.57 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot of clients |
| 21:39.02 | brlcad | if there are more than 150 simultaneous.. the server locks up |
| 21:39.05 | Aribeth | disco?? dis gota go |
| 21:39.17 | brlcad | i bet that's getting hit with all the bzfs and bzbb activity |
| 21:39.22 | pgm | well you should time stamp packets that clients send and discard packets coming too late |
| 21:39.23 | JeffM2501 | naw disco is dead, it's on echoing green now |
| 21:39.25 | brlcad | it's a permanent lock up |
| 21:39.35 | brlcad | to prevent runaway apache procs |
| 21:40.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah with bzfs, bb, ls, and the images thing that could be low |
| 21:40.32 | JeffM2501 | oh and that nigerian money scam I run of the site too |
| 21:40.34 | JeffM2501 | that gets some hits |
| 21:40.49 | pgm | i have experience with real time games; the mainloop time of server should be short too |
| 21:40.55 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:41.03 | JeffM2501 | pgm, code is right there take a look :) |
| 21:41.04 | pgm | processing must be fast, so that you dont get server lag |
| 21:41.35 | pgm | yeah, looked at it, seems alot of code for such a seemingly simple game |
| 21:41.46 | JeffM2501 | it does a lot |
| 21:41.47 | JeffM2501 | and it's old |
| 21:41.50 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501, really? |
| 21:41.59 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, totaly |
| 21:42.00 | bryjen | i doubt that is a problem. bzfs runs fine on a original Pentium processor at 100MHz |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:42.26 | Silent_Swan | good lord, the coffee in this place tastes like something died in it |
| 21:42.30 | pgm | i hope you're not running into the same trap as we did, by trying to support a wide variety of different |
| 21:42.35 | pgm | game modes |
| 21:42.35 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: Who needs the money in your email scam? ;) |
| 21:43.05 | brlcad | okay.. uber apache is configured for our high connectivity demand now |
| 21:43.20 | brlcad | this should scale up to about 10x our current usage |
| 21:43.20 | JeffM2501 | the main probs are with net is lack of robust lag comps and stuff like that |
| 21:43.21 | bryjen | brlcad: 1 or 2 ? |
| 21:43.30 | brlcad | bryjen: 1.5 ;) |
| 21:43.30 | JeffM2501 | all the things people are writing papers on now :) |
| 21:43.45 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, send me your paypall info and I'll show you |
| 21:43.48 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 21:44.20 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501 sorry, I'm too young for paypal, but don't worry, I'll suppport bzflag and fall for your scam sometime later maybe |
| 21:45.03 | TD-Linux | or should I use the sf.net donation system? you don't get any money there |
| 21:46.05 | JeffM2501 | truely if you wish to support somone, nid would be the best, he donates the machine and bandwith for the list server and forums |
| 21:46.08 | JeffM2501 | he's very generous |
| 21:46.31 | brlcad | who's been playing with apache2 on mbo? |
| 21:46.42 | JeffM2501 | I did the restars that's it |
| 21:46.47 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow set it up |
| 21:46.48 | TD-Linux | hmm... ok... give me a few X years before i get enough money to donate :P |
| 21:46.52 | JeffM2501 | that's what we should be using now |
| 21:46.57 | JeffM2501 | we upgraded |
| 21:47.00 | JeffM2501 | from 1 to 2 |
| 21:47.02 | brlcad | hmm |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM2501 | was a while ago tho |
| 21:47.26 | brlcad | like a month or two or longer? |
| 21:47.32 | JeffM2501 | longer I think |
| 21:48.24 | TD-Linux | I'm having bzflag compile problems |
| 21:48.40 | Pimpinella | define problems |
| 21:48.47 | CBG | JeffM2501 == Gramps. correct? |
| 21:48.49 | TD-Linux | wait a bit... |
| 21:49.02 | JeffM2501 | gramps? |
| 21:49.03 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:49.05 | TD-Linux | wait while I run autogen |
| 21:49.07 | JeffM2501 | I have no children |
| 21:49.32 | CBG | Hmm, so who else could be? Who else can make usergrouops on bzbb? |
| 21:49.36 | CBG | groups*\ |
| 21:49.52 | JeffM2501 | dtr |
| 21:50.01 | JeffM2501 | tim |
| 21:50.05 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow |
| 21:50.08 | Pimpinella | Jeff ;) |
| 21:50.09 | JeffM2501 | me |
| 21:50.16 | JeffM2501 | why |
| 21:50.20 | JeffM2501 | is there a group problem? |
| 21:50.20 | bryjen | none of which have grandchildren |
| 21:50.24 | CBG | Which also goes by the name "gramps" ? |
| 21:50.37 | JeffM2501 | I know of no user named "gramps" |
| 21:50.47 | JeffM2501 | MAC maybe |
| 21:51.18 | CBG | This is the dsc. for the usergroup "none": This group should contain NO USERS! It is merely to reserve the group name 'none' for use with the bzfs -advertise option. "-advertise none" keeps a bzfs server private. NOTE: 'gramps' is my 'other' account :) |
| 21:51.31 | CBG | and the moderator of that group is "gramps" |
| 21:51.41 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 21:51.45 | JeffM2501 | don't worry bout that :) |
| 21:51.53 | Pimpinella | it's meno then |
| 21:51.56 | CBG | But, I do worry! |
| 21:52.00 | JeffM2501 | that is for local auth |
| 21:52.01 | CBG | meno is gramps? ahhh |
| 21:52.08 | JeffM2501 | sorry global auth on private servers |
| 21:52.21 | JeffM2501 | or for limiting your list access at least |
| 21:52.27 | TD-Linux | http://pastebin.ca/23741 |
| 21:52.38 | CBG | I just wanted to know who also uses the name gramps. I think maybe I saw them play once. |
| 21:52.49 | JeffM2501 | CBG, basicly you can tell the list server to only show your server to people in specific groups |
| 21:52.58 | JeffM2501 | so seting it to show to NONE delists your server |
| 21:53.15 | CBG | JeffM2501: except gramps. |
| 21:53.18 | CBG | :) |
| 21:53.23 | TD-Linux | http://pastebin.ca/23741 - what my problem partly is |
| 21:53.29 | CBG | but, I get it. Good idea. ;) |
| 21:53.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah since that is the test account for the feature |
| 21:53.38 | Pimpinella | openhbci????? |
| 21:53.51 | JeffM2501 | a group has to have one user at least |
| 21:53.58 | CBG | obviously ;) |
| 21:54.00 | CBG | btw, jeffM2501: why can I see some groups I am not in? |
| 21:54.22 | JeffM2501 | because they are not set to be hidden |
| 21:54.49 | TD-Linux | Pimpinella: I have no idea how my linux distro works |
| 21:54.50 | CBG | oh. ooookay. :) |
| 21:55.05 | Pimpinella | which is it btw? |
| 21:55.10 | TD-Linux | Fc3 |
| 21:55.20 | TD-Linux | hasen't been updated with yum EVER |
| 21:55.28 | TD-Linux | I have at least 1,000 packages to update |
| 21:55.37 | bryjen | Pimpinella: they're just warnings about installed aclocal files. my slackware does that too. |
| 21:55.53 | TD-Linux | i DID update curl and firefox with yum, but that's it |
| 21:56.03 | TD-Linux | go all the way to the bottom |
| 21:56.09 | TD-Linux | you will see it failed |
| 21:56.17 | TD-Linux | this is up-to-date cvs |
| 21:56.54 | TD-Linux | do you want to see what ./configure gives me? |
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| 21:57.40 | bryjen | if autogen didn't succede, configure will probly bomb too |
| 21:57.45 | Pimpinella | i don't think i can halp you with that, maybe some of the other autotools cracks here will |
| 21:58.10 | JeffM2501 | he is the autogen master |
| 21:58.31 | Tupone | uhm ? |
| 21:58.36 | TD-Linux | http://pastebin.ca/23741 |
| 21:58.58 | JeffM2501 | brlcad also has very high levels of autogen |
| 21:59.10 | brlcad | update -dP |
| 21:59.31 | TD-Linux | do I type that? |
| 21:59.40 | brlcad | cvs update -dP |
| 21:59.42 | bryjen | cvs update -dP |
| 21:59.43 | TD-Linux | ok... |
| 21:59.57 | TD-Linux | what does that do? |
| 22:00.04 | JeffM2501 | updates |
| 22:00.05 | JeffM2501 | with d |
| 22:00.07 | JeffM2501 | and p |
| 22:00.13 | Tupone | P not p |
| 22:00.15 | TD-Linux | it seems to update everthing |
| 22:00.16 | Pimpinella | P to be exactly |
| 22:00.17 | JeffM2501 | with a VENGANGE |
| 22:00.18 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 22:00.30 | TD-Linux | this could take a while... |
| 22:00.39 | TD-Linux | it didn't |
| 22:00.42 | TD-Linux | ok, I try now |
| 22:00.47 | bryjen | the options make it fetch new directories as well as new files. you were missing one |
| 22:00.47 | Tupone | TD-Linux: you have to clear some file I guess |
| 22:01.01 | TD-Linux | did it delete my plugins in the plugin folder? nooo |
| 22:01.03 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 22:01.15 | Tupone | if that does not work ... just try autoreconf and say us the result |
| 22:01.31 | JeffM2501 | yes say us all! |
| 22:01.33 | TD-Linux | ok, testing, this is a 600mhz box, it takes a while |
| 22:01.48 | TD-Linux | yesss! |
| 22:02.09 | JeffM2501 | he didn't say |
| 22:02.09 | brlcad | or sh autogen -v ;) |
| 22:02.10 | TD-Linux | Automatically preparing build ... |
| 22:02.14 | TD-Linux | it says that so far |
| 22:02.17 | TD-Linux | that is good |
| 22:02.34 | TD-Linux | -v? |
| 22:02.39 | brlcad | verbose |
| 22:02.43 | bryjen | wordy |
| 22:02.47 | Tupone | nope, if that work, just continue with configure |
| 22:03.03 | TD-Linux | -v is one of the most common options on the planet ;) |
| 22:03.04 | brlcad | if it says "Automatically", it's running autoreconf |
| 22:03.11 | TD-Linux | yes, it wasn't before |
| 22:03.20 | brlcad | it was, but it failed |
| 22:03.25 | TD-Linux | oh... ok |
| 22:03.28 | TD-Linux | it's still going... |
| 22:03.34 | JeffM2501 | you lacked fung shue |
| 22:03.35 | brlcad | so it tries again one step at a time when it fails |
| 22:04.23 | TD-Linux | still going... |
| 22:04.26 | TD-Linux | and going... |
| 22:04.32 | TD-Linux | and going... |
| 22:04.38 | brlcad | then it'll probably finish just fine |
| 22:04.42 | brlcad | you just have a slow computer |
| 22:05.31 | TD-Linux | 600mhz |
| 22:05.38 | TD-Linux | original slot athlon |
| 22:05.43 | TD-Linux | slot 1 or slot a, forgot which |
| 22:05.48 | JeffM2501 | overclock that sucker |
| 22:06.00 | TD-Linux | the fan is puny, but the heatsink is massive |
| 22:06.48 | TD-Linux | The BZFlag build system is now prepared. To build here, run: |
| 22:06.48 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.48 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.05 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 22:08.32 | Tupone | so .. next time brlcad has to be summoned :) |
| 22:08.32 | TD-Linux | wow... it checks for rumble and force feecback support? |
| 22:08.55 | ToughShooter | It also checks for artifical intelligence for it's bots ;) |
| 22:09.16 | ToughShooter | that means it prints this into terminal window |
| 22:09.31 | Tupone | never found a system where it actually found AI :( |
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| 22:09.52 | ToughShooter | How could it, it's a dummy, isn't it? |
| 22:10.17 | Tupone | aww :) |
| 22:10.34 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, please don't lie on bzbb |
| 22:10.38 | TD-Linux | sounds like a dev was having fun ;) |
| 22:10.46 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: huh? |
| 22:11.05 | JeffM2501 | Direct X is used for more then sound, and they don't have to re-install windows |
| 22:11.18 | JeffM2501 | they just have to set the display |
| 22:11.28 | TD-Linux | DirectX is? |
| 22:11.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:11.33 | TD-Linux | oops, sorry |
| 22:11.48 | TD-Linux | you can delete the post, or I can edit it myself |
| 22:11.58 | JeffM2501 | if you are not 100% sure of what you are talking about, please don't try to help with problems, other more qualified people will chip in |
| 22:12.07 | JeffM2501 | all it does is confuse the person with the problem. |
| 22:12.09 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 22:12.33 | JeffM2501 | directX is used to set the fullscreen res and refresh, exactly what they are having a problem with |
| 22:12.40 | JeffM2501 | openGL dosn't even know what a window is |
| 22:12.46 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 22:12.46 | JeffM2501 | DX is also used for input |
| 22:12.49 | TD-Linux | o |
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| 22:35.59 | bz0169 | whens the new bzflag coming out? |
| 22:36.16 | JeffM2501 | when it's done |
| 22:36.17 | JeffM2501 | but soon |
| 22:36.24 | JeffM2501 | couple more bugs to look into |
| 22:36.46 | bz0169 | ok good,cant wait to fix the bug when i go to silvercat :) |
| 22:37.00 | JeffM2501 | you can use the RC right now |
| 22:37.25 | bz0169 | rc? |
| 22:37.25 | JeffM2501 | what 'bug' do you have? |
| 22:37.38 | bz0169 | the bug that says error connecnting to jmojos server |
| 22:37.43 | JeffM2501 | release candidate |
| 22:37.47 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 22:38.19 | bz0169 | windows xp |
| 22:38.31 | JeffM2501 | we post beta and RC builds on bzbb for windows |
| 22:38.36 | JeffM2501 | you can get the current version |
| 22:38.41 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4rc2 |
| 22:39.05 | bz0169 | i have it still doesnt work :) |
| 22:39.14 | bz0169 | jmojo said the new 1 that comes out will fix it |
| 22:39.51 | JeffM2501 | hmm I don't recall anything that would cause that recently |
| 22:40.02 | JeffM2501 | does he know a fix was put in for it? |
| 22:40.57 | bz0169 | he said some1 made a build and now it works but duno,he said thers a fix in for it |
| 22:41.10 | JeffM2501 | let me do an RC3 then |
| 22:41.31 | bz0169 | k |
| 22:42.17 | JeffM2501 | does 2.0.2 work? |
| 22:43.00 | bz0169 | dont no havent had taht for a while |
| 22:43.03 | bz0169 | should i try it? |
| 22:43.08 | bz0169 | **that |
| 22:43.23 | bz0169 | i always update as it comes out |
| 22:43.29 | JeffM2501 | if the problem is something we broke in the 2.0.3xxxx line then yes 2.0.2 should work |
| 22:43.37 | bz0169 | k let me try |
| 22:44.20 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't work then something else is amiss |
| 22:44.44 | bz0169 | k |
| 22:51.21 | bz0169 | doesnt work :( |
| 22:51.22 | bz0169 | no well |
| 22:51.24 | bz0169 | **o |
| 22:52.03 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: is it normal for the cvs version to use 50% of the cpu ? |
| 22:52.47 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: oh wait n/m its 0.50 |
| 22:52.58 | Mr_Molez | umm must be something else slowing me down |
| 22:53.31 | CBG | 0.5%? |
| 22:54.31 | Mr_Molez | yeh. bzflag seems a bit slow. seen bzlag as higest % thought it said %50 |
| 22:54.43 | Mr_Molez | ill do a restart |
| 22:54.45 | Mr_Molez | brb |
| 22:56.16 | Silent_Swan | i wanna go home ;/ |
| 22:57.06 | Aribeth | ew |
| 22:57.09 | CBG | Aribeth: Silent_Swan yarned. ;) |
| 22:57.10 | Aribeth | :P |
| 22:57.15 | Aribeth | so did i |
| 22:57.22 | Silent_Swan | no, i yawned, no yarned |
| 22:57.33 | Silent_Swan | but Aribeth yanned |
| 22:57.36 | trepan | yearned? |
| 22:57.51 | CBG | of, the joke is always lost on swans. |
| 22:57.55 | CBG | *pf. ;) |
| 22:57.57 | Silent_Swan | *honk* |
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| 22:58.05 | CBG | hide. |
| 22:58.14 | Silent_Swan | ye olde yawne |
| 22:58.18 | CBG | lol |
| 22:58.34 | Aribeth | or do i need to correct spelling again |
| 22:59.03 | CBG | Random thought for the day #1: If your feet smell and your nose runs - you're built upside down. |
| 22:59.20 | Aribeth | !dict yawn |
| 22:59.21 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: yawn n : an involuntary intake of breath through a wide open mouth; usually triggered by fatigue or boredom; "he could not suppress a yawn"; "the yawning in the audience told him it was time to stop"; "he apologized for his ostinancy" [syn: {yawning}, {oscitance}, {oscitancy}] v 1: utter a yawn, as from lack of oxygen or when one is (7 more messages) |
| 22:59.32 | Aribeth | !dict yawnes |
| 22:59.34 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: No definition for 'yawnes' could be found. |
| 22:59.35 | CBG | pf, untrue. |
| 22:59.44 | Aribeth | ahh i did mess up |
| 22:59.48 | CBG | yawning has nothing todo with bordom or fatigue, iirc. |
| 22:59.52 | Aribeth | well, i never could spell |
| 23:00.05 | Aribeth | nooooo, really :P |
| 23:00.10 | CBG | Im sure I was taught that its cause you're not brething enough air in... |
| 23:00.21 | blast007 | right |
| 23:00.28 | CBG | such as, your in a room with lots of ther people, or you forget to breathe.... |
| 23:00.32 | blast007 | but when you are bored or tired, you breathe slower :) |
| 23:00.48 | Silent_Swan | yeah, same here |
| 23:00.50 | CBG | blast007: hmm, I guess so. :) |
| 23:05.30 | CBG | Random thought for the day #2: There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. |
| 23:05.58 | CBG | Random FACT of the day #1: A big enough hammer fixes anything. |
| 23:09.07 | Mr_Molez | umm |
| 23:09.43 | blast007 | if by "fix" you mean, "beat into a pulp", then yes :) |
| 23:11.22 | Mr_Molez | CBG: what size hammer to you think it would take to beat some sense into you :O |
| 23:11.41 | CBG | Mr Molez: define "some". |
| 23:11.50 | CBG | blast007: no. really. try it. ;) |
| 23:11.56 | Mr_Molez | some as opposed to none |
| 23:12.03 | Mr_Molez | ;) |
| 23:12.08 | CBG | the opposite to none? |
| 23:12.20 | Mr_Molez | i suppose some is opposite to none yes |
| 23:12.30 | TD-Linux | in mape files, how do defines and groups work? |
| 23:12.51 | CBG | The opposite to none would be infinity...? |
| 23:13.13 | Mr_Molez | aswell as some |
| 23:13.22 | CBG | TD-Linux: iirc it would be define name / objects here....... / enddef |
| 23:13.33 | TD-Linux | ok, I have that |
| 23:13.37 | CBG | then, group name / options.... / end |
| 23:13.43 | TD-Linux | have that too |
| 23:13.47 | TD-Linux | it dosen't work |
| 23:13.56 | TD-Linux | it just appears in the center of the map like normal |
| 23:13.57 | CBG | Hmm, then I dunno. Check the man page. |
| 23:14.10 | CBG | put a shift in the group. |
| 23:14.20 | CBG | group name/shift 100 50 0/end |
| 23:14.32 | blast007 | the group stuff is what outputs the defined object |
| 23:14.35 | TD-Linux | does this look good? |
| 23:14.37 | TD-Linux | group pzspiral |
| 23:14.37 | TD-Linux | shift 350 350 0 |
| 23:14.37 | TD-Linux | end |
| 23:15.06 | CBG | yeah |
| 23:15.16 | CBG | blast007: we know that. ;) |
| 23:15.17 | TD-Linux | enddef? |
| 23:15.22 | CBG | no |
| 23:15.27 | TD-Linux | ohhh |
| 23:15.30 | CBG | use enddef at the end of the define |
| 23:15.34 | TD-Linux | I do |
| 23:15.40 | TD-Linux | it's enddef, right? |
| 23:15.41 | CBG | the group object ends with just "end". |
| 23:15.47 | TD-Linux | I know |
| 23:15.48 | CBG | yes. |
| 23:15.58 | TD-Linux | define pzspiral |
| 23:15.59 | TD-Linux | enddef |
| 23:16.10 | CBG | yeah and put all objects inside there |
| 23:16.14 | TD-Linux | long ww code left out.. |
| 23:16.38 | CBG | ok. |
| 23:16.39 | TD-Linux | it dosen't work |
| 23:16.44 | CBG | pf. |
| 23:16.54 | CBG | is all the code in the define correct? |
| 23:17.03 | CBG | does it work if you dont define it and call the group? |
| 23:17.08 | TD-Linux | you can group world weapons, right? |
| 23:17.31 | CBG | I thought so... blast007?? |
| 23:18.04 | TD-Linux | oh.. my world weapons use position, is that ok? |
| 23:18.14 | TD-Linux | I bet that's the problem |
| 23:18.20 | TD-Linux | trying shift instead... |
| 23:18.23 | trepan | weapons are really grouped |
| 23:18.27 | trepan | s/are/aren't |
| 23:18.43 | Aribeth | howdy trepan |
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| 23:18.49 | trepan | hello Ari |
| 23:19.11 | Aribeth | hi shorty114 |
| 23:19.15 | shorty114 | hi Aribeth |
| 23:19.20 | shorty114 | how's it going? |
| 23:19.32 | Aribeth | not bad |
| 23:19.36 | CBG | 'ello shorty. |
| 23:19.38 | TD-Linux | I do have a feature request now, grouping ww ;) |
| 23:19.40 | shorty114 | hi CBG |
| 23:20.09 | trepan | TD-Linux: it's already in the notes, amongst other non-grouped items |
| 23:21.20 | TD-Linux | ok |
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| 23:36.26 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5332 |
| 23:36.29 | JeffM2501 | for any that want/care |
| 23:36.41 | JeffM2501 | CBG, when it's ready |
| 23:37.00 | JeffM2501 | I expect shortly |
| 23:37.03 | JeffM2501 | maybe this weekend |
| 23:38.16 | CBG | :D |
| 23:38.41 | JeffM2501 | the RC is basicly feature complete, just us that |
| 23:39.19 | JeffM2501 | the pregame iq test? |
| 23:39.28 | CBG | lol |
| 23:39.37 | trepan | might as well delete all of the source files, and shut down the project |
| 23:39.55 | JeffM2501 | we can wait if you want |
| 23:40.11 | JeffM2501 | where we == me |
| 23:40.20 | JeffM2501 | other factions may push |
| 23:41.18 | trepan | i'd be adding it somewhat half-baked regardless, couldn't get started on animation, and don't have it in me to finish split alpha nodes (they'd all be sorted in groups) |
| 23:41.30 | trepan | the only anim is 'angvel' ;) |
| 23:41.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:41.59 | JeffM2501 | so for some reason, on that SDL thing, if I put the code into a new project, it works fine |
| 23:42.08 | JeffM2501 | I must have screwed up my workspace |
| 23:42.21 | JeffM2501 | and arn't you suposed to have a surgury? |
| 23:42.41 | trepan | turns out it isn't a ganglion, it's a genetic defect |
| 23:42.46 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:42.58 | JeffM2501 | gene therapy? |
| 23:43.10 | JeffM2501 | they could give you some mutant powers why they are at it |
| 23:43.11 | trepan | 6 months of waiting, and the doc. picked it out in 2 seconds |
| 23:43.46 | trepan | na, there are surgeries for what i've got too, just no cure |
| 23:45.40 | JeffM2501 | gonna have it done still? |
| 23:46.03 | trepan | dunno what i'm going to do, if anything |
| 23:46.18 | JeffM2501 | chainsaw hands |
| 23:46.31 | trepan | na, the result is more claw like |
| 23:48.31 | JeffM2501 | get robot hands |
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