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| 00:10.30 | JeffM2501 | yay for bad lib curl :) |
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| 00:52.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: get rid of jitter compensation. ME player can have just some random speed very different from the one at next frame. |
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| 01:45.17 | Tupone | hi _bubbles_ |
| 01:46.40 | _bubbles_ | hi |
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| 02:16.03 | Inferno | hi |
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| 03:01.36 | Aribeth | hi Sporty |
| 03:14.11 | Tupone | Sporty :) |
| 03:14.28 | Aribeth | she is on secretplace now |
| 03:14.36 | Tupone | good :) |
| 03:18.12 | *** topic/#bzflag by Tupone -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || try #bzchat if you just want to talk || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ || SportChick Happy Birthday delayed to 19th |
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| 04:24.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx LocalPlayer.h defaultBZDB.cxx): |
| 04:24.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Give normal player the run+shoot+stop capability. |
| 04:24.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Deselectable via "set runAndShoot 0" in config.cfg |
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| 04:54.13 | trepan | ah, the stage has been set for another reversion |
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| 09:17.23 | CBG | bb admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5282&highlight= |
| 09:20.28 | meacan | morning CBG :) |
| 09:20.36 | CBG | Morning meacan. |
| 09:20.55 | CBG | I wanted to ask you last night what the address is to your server testing the HighScore plugin... |
| 09:21.47 | CBG | and meacan: why aren't you on #bzleague anymore? |
| 09:23.59 | meacan | because #bzflag suits me better :) |
| 09:28.53 | CBG | But, we get beats if we "chat" here too much... :) |
| 09:30.32 | meacan | silence is golden :-) |
| 09:30.49 | meacan | if you want to try my plugin, i can start the server in a few mins |
| 09:30.56 | meacan | need to make my router behave again :( |
| 09:35.32 | CBG | meacan: only if you need it tested. :) |
| 09:35.42 | CBG | jpa- cause we all lub you! |
| 09:35.53 | jpa- | no you don't |
| 09:35.59 | jpa- | not even braddie |
| 09:36.49 | CBG | well, forget bradley... everyone else does. :) |
| 09:37.40 | jpa- | no they don't, Thumper doesn't |
| 09:37.52 | CBG | pf, I'm sure thumper does. |
| 09:38.06 | jpa- | what is "to lub" anyway? |
| 09:38.19 | meacan | CBG: its not done yet - got a prototype working, and i didnt crash anything yet :) |
| 09:38.43 | CBG | meacan:ok cool. well... just shout. :) |
| 09:43.24 | brad2901 | how do you get 2 of each good flags? |
| 09:43.36 | brad2901 | +f GOOD{2} ? |
| 09:44.24 | CBG | Yes. |
| 09:44.34 | brad2901 | Well, that doesn't work. :) |
| 09:44.41 | CBG | try lower-case? |
| 09:44.44 | jpa- | +f GOOD +f GOOD |
| 09:44.54 | brad2901 | oh |
| 09:44.56 | brad2901 | ok. |
| 09:44.57 | jpa- | maybe |
| 09:45.00 | jpa- | only if you lub me |
| 09:45.02 | CBG | jpa- I don't think {2} is the problem! |
| 09:45.03 | brad2901 | :) |
| 09:45.17 | jpa- | CBG: i do :) |
| 09:45.25 | CBG | :| |
| 09:45.36 | brad2901 | using group file "./ |
| 09:45.36 | brad2901 | invalid flag "GOOD" |
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| 09:45.41 | CBG | See... |
| 09:45.44 | jpa- | CBG: i don't think coders would have been smart enough to make consistent interface ,) |
| 09:45.45 | CBG | try lower-case |
| 09:45.57 | CBG | jpa- I think they have, for once. :) |
| 09:45.57 | brad2901 | lower case doesn't work |
| 09:46.18 | brad2901 | hmm.. does +s do anything? :p |
| 09:47.05 | CBG | comment in conf says: "+f good{40} +f bad{10} -f G{40}" would give you exactly 40 good flags except genocide and 10 of each bad flag. |
| 09:47.25 | CBG | so: +f good{2) _should_ work fine. |
| 09:47.34 | brad2901 | but it doesn't... :p |
| 09:47.46 | jpa- | erm.. but but but.. -f G{40} ?? |
| 09:48.02 | jpa- | where is this conffile of yours from? |
| 09:48.11 | CBG | heh. lol, well spotted. :) |
| 09:48.28 | brad2901 | +f good{40} would be 40 of each flag.. that would be overkill |
| 09:48.44 | CBG | Thats not the point. |
| 09:48.53 | brad2901 | sure it is ;) |
| 09:48.57 | CBG | But if +f good{40} works, so should +f good {2} |
| 09:49.10 | brad2901 | where did you get that conf file from? |
| 09:49.11 | CBG | (without rogue space. :P ) |
| 09:49.27 | CBG | brad2901: It's one I played with a bit. but I dont think I touched the comments. |
| 09:49.29 | brad2901 | I'm trying +s good{2} |
| 09:49.41 | jpa- | but there is no +s! |
| 09:49.52 | CBG | There is. |
| 09:50.02 | brad2901 | didn't work anyway |
| 09:50.06 | CBG | but, brad2901: it wont weork. |
| 09:50.08 | jpa- | CBG: what is +s? |
| 09:50.21 | CBG | +s works like: +s40 |
| 09:50.30 | brad2901 | bad argument "GOOD{2}" |
| 09:50.43 | brad2901 | hmm? |
| 09:50.44 | CBG | this conf says: An example of running a server with 40 to 50 flags except genocide would be "+s40 -s50 -f G". |
| 09:50.54 | jpa- | ah, hm |
| 09:51.07 | brad2901 | where are you getting this stuff? |
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| 09:51.30 | brad2901 | shouldn't there be a gap betwen +s & 40 ? |
| 09:52.01 | CBG | pf. try it and see... |
| 09:52.13 | brad2901 | so does that add random flags? |
| 09:52.47 | CBG | Should. |
| 09:53.04 | brad2901 | k. |
| 09:53.18 | meacan | "+f good{2}" works fine here |
| 09:53.30 | CBG | brad2901: you have CVS of bzflag? |
| 09:53.33 | brad2901 | no |
| 09:53.38 | brad2901 | 2.0.2 stable |
| 09:54.00 | CBG | k, hang on. |
| 09:55.34 | brad2901 | ah.. the map maker has told me random flags won't work |
| 09:55.39 | brad2901 | something to do with zones |
| 09:56.15 | CBG | brad2901: original unedited example conf from cvs bzflag/misc/ --> http://pastebin.ca/23260 |
| 09:56.26 | brad2901 | thanks |
| 09:56.40 | CBG | read the comments and stuff. hope it helps. |
| 09:57.04 | CBG | i'lll be back after breakfast, or, I might not be. :) |
| 09:57.09 | brad2901 | ok:) |
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| 10:10.25 | Chestal | looks like the release is far away again... |
| 10:22.25 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 10:30.45 | orchid | why is that? |
| 10:31.03 | orchid | Chestal: do you vote today btw? |
| 10:33.27 | Chestal | orchid: obviously, there is no agreement on the ME/-a etc. issue, judgign from Tupone's latest commit (which I do not like) |
| 10:33.45 | Chestal | orchid: and yes, we do. Personally, I haven't yet, maybe in an hour |
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| 13:27.50 | Pimpinella | we should just make clear what we want and if we want anything at ths point (or probably wait) about the ME thingy |
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| 15:07.33 | Birdie | ugh 3 orchids |
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| 15:08.35 | brlcad | lotsa orchids |
| 15:08.51 | Birdie | one is enough for me though:) |
| 15:08.53 | trepan | Tupone: what are you trying to do with runAndShoot? |
| 15:09.08 | Tupone | experimenting |
| 15:09.17 | trepan | don't commit experiments |
| 15:09.32 | brlcad | Birdie: one is "enough" for me too :) |
| 15:09.40 | Birdie | hehe:) |
| 15:09.46 | Tupone | trying how it look playing like ME |
| 15:10.30 | brlcad | yeah.. nobody ..uh.. ever commits experimental stuff.. :) |
| 15:10.46 | Birdie | thats number one |
| 15:10.48 | trepan | brlcad: the day of an intended release? |
| 15:11.13 | brlcad | good question |
| 15:12.28 | brlcad | could be today, if everyone can be placated |
| 15:12.31 | Tupone | I have not seen an rc2. Most change have not gone in testing |
| 15:12.45 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5279&highlight= |
| 15:14.37 | brlcad | that naming/numbering convention seems to be all over the place |
| 15:15.01 | brlcad | the point of the minor number is so that it can be incremented every time it's posted |
| 15:15.07 | Tupone | I was not informed, I have not trace in irc log |
| 15:15.08 | brlcad | whether it's "stable" or not |
| 15:15.17 | brlcad | s/minor/patch/ |
| 15:16.19 | trepan | brlcad: well, "tectures" don't seem to be working for Matt?, so it's a bust regardless ;) |
| 15:17.25 | brlcad | still doesn't mean we can't release it |
| 15:17.33 | brlcad | is it outright broken or just not working for him? |
| 15:17.51 | brlcad | if it's broken, we can declare it as such and move on |
| 15:20.01 | ToughShooter | I've high mouse acceleration...almost no one else can handle my mouse movements. |
| 15:20.03 | Birdie | one left:) |
| 15:20.34 | Birdie | thoughshooter: i have a high mouse acceleration + a very little mousebox size, its almoust impossible to drive in a straight line |
| 15:20.57 | Chestal | I have normal mouse settings, no acceleration AFAIK, all linear, 'normal' mouse box size |
| 15:21.09 | ToughShooter | Birdie: There is speed and acceleration.. |
| 15:21.10 | Birdie | i have -6 for mouseboxsize |
| 15:21.12 | Chestal | I can drive straight, I can still accelerate my tank quite quickly if I want to |
| 15:21.47 | ToughShooter | Macs are behaving different than the windoze boxes regarding to mouse movements, AFAIK |
| 15:23.02 | Tupone | ToughShooter: do you tweak mouse setting in the OS for reaching those performance? |
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| 15:24.05 | ToughShooter | No, I've only setted it to max and Logitech mice are rather fast moving even on low settings |
| 15:24.39 | Tupone | max what? mouse box ? |
| 15:25.03 | brlcad | Tupone: we could take over mouse acceleration completely next release, so that O/S acceleration settings have 0 effect |
| 15:25.28 | brlcad | provide our own acceleration settings for high/low speeds in some predefined range |
| 15:25.37 | brlcad | just would take a bit of event mappings |
| 15:25.44 | Tupone | brlcad: have you player recently against those? I mean the last 3/4 months ? |
| 15:25.56 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Mouse acceleration speed, I left the mouse box like it was by default |
| 15:26.21 | jpa- | add gear changing-simulation to bzflag :) |
| 15:26.25 | brlcad | Tupone: yeah, I was actually playing just yesterday |
| 15:26.43 | ToughShooter | BZFlag should be turn-based ;) |
| 15:26.46 | jpa- | and also "you turned to reverse too fast, your gearbox was broken" :) |
| 15:26.52 | trepan | brlcad: limiting accel should be enough |
| 15:27.00 | brlcad | Tupone: that's my point though.. we put in full override so that it doesn't matter what they set to in the OS |
| 15:27.52 | brlcad | something to be said for the controls to be consistent across the platforms, so you don't have the high/low speed input device effects you get now |
| 15:28.22 | Chestal | I am not sure it#s easily possible to get untranslated mouse movements on all platforms |
| 15:28.30 | Tupone | Understand that ... but what about the advantage they will have on newbye until the time to next release that is OS tweaking agains player expertise |
| 15:28.51 | Tupone | ME are already good player, don't need this |
| 15:29.12 | brlcad | Chestal: it should be possible, but even if it isn't we could compensate in with our own timers internally |
| 15:29.13 | Tupone | or we should feed the other payer the same instrument |
| 15:29.31 | ToughShooter | ..no one ever complained about my movements...I was only curious about what symptoms could show up |
| 15:29.44 | ToughShooter | except when I had GM |
| 15:29.50 | brlcad | Tupone: actually I think a lot of them really aren't good players, they're used to the crutch to seem good |
| 15:30.02 | brlcad | some are, of course, long time players |
| 15:30.20 | brlcad | but not all by a long shot I think |
| 15:31.01 | brlcad | ToughShooter: it's not easy for another player to recognize what's going on at first, they just miss your tank |
| 15:31.20 | trepan | you want to make it fair? add an ME control mode (reduce the inside mouse box size) |
| 15:31.34 | trepan | then, when accel limits are set, it'll still be fair |
| 15:33.34 | brlcad | how does reducing the inside mouse box control ME? |
| 15:33.35 | Tupone | make the box actually a rect ? |
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| 15:34.43 | ibunny | morning |
| 15:34.44 | trepan | it reduces the amount of movement required for full vel, without having to adjust the "OS" settings |
| 15:34.52 | jpa- | bunny |
| 15:34.57 | ibunny | orchid |
| 15:34.59 | ibunny | jpi |
| 15:35.07 | trepan | brlcad: what do you think the goal of ME is? |
| 15:35.10 | orchid | hibunny |
| 15:35.15 | ibunny | hot sean. |
| 15:35.23 | brlcad | trepan: not get hit ;) |
| 15:35.38 | brlcad | hi ibunny |
| 15:35.47 | trepan | and how does it go about accomplishing that task? ;) |
| 15:36.09 | ibunny | hey sean lets have dinner or such , k? |
| 15:36.22 | ibunny | brlcad, book ur flight! |
| 15:36.29 | ibunny | :D |
| 15:36.38 | jpa- | ibunny: you should be mad, he didn't say "hot bunny." |
| 15:37.09 | ibunny | mad for not saying the obvious? |
| 15:37.12 | ibunny | ;) |
| 15:37.38 | brlcad | trepan: by changing their velocity with respect to time as frequently as possible to incur an acceleration computation that DR concludes is a miss ;) |
| 15:37.39 | jpa- | mad for not lying to make you happy ,) |
| 15:38.35 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth |
| 15:38.41 | trepan | brlcad: it boils down to my suggestion... |
| 15:38.42 | Aribeth | hi TS |
| 15:38.57 | Aribeth | hiya trepan |
| 15:39.04 | trepan | hello Ari |
| 15:40.33 | Tupone | hi Aribeth |
| 15:40.38 | brlcad | trepan: the "problem as I see it" without controlling the events being generated by the input device is that you'd need a 1 px box to "control" the velocity changes to any unbiased degree |
| 15:40.39 | Tupone | ibunny :) |
| 15:40.42 | ibunny | hi ari |
| 15:40.42 | ToughShooter | brlcad: When my mouse batteries are low on power my cursor begins to jump sometimes. When this happens I saw myself moving faster for a few length units _after_ a bullet had hit my tank and I didn't died. Is this like it should look? |
| 15:40.45 | ibunny | tupo |
| 15:41.33 | brlcad | without controling the input, the box size just helps .. but even a small box won't solve it alone, imo |
| 15:41.57 | Tupone | Mouse Enhancement |
| 15:42.05 | Birdie | lol TS |
| 15:42.17 | Tupone | or Mouse Enhanced player |
| 15:42.31 | trepan | brlcad: huh? ME players don't have good control, just fast response |
| 15:42.38 | trepan | maybe i don't understand how you see the prob |
| 15:42.39 | ToughShooter | Oh, ok :o |
| 15:43.16 | Tupone | I don't know if they change the tweaking only for y or just x/y |
| 15:43.27 | Birdie | ME only helps in dodging -> fast reaction speed, its disadvantage for jumping and driving straight |
| 15:43.54 | trepan | brlcad: ah, hehe, know i see, it's cause i erroneously mentionned the 'inside' box |
| 15:43.59 | brlcad | trepan: not their control, our control of their erradic input |
| 15:44.25 | Tupone | fash shot too, too much easily |
| 15:45.44 | trepan | brlcad: what I'm talking about is a quick fix so that ME will be readily available to newbs to even the playing field |
| 15:45.48 | trepan | not a real fix |
| 15:46.18 | Chestal | newbies won#t be able to play with very fast mouse |
| 15:46.25 | Chestal | they cannot control the tank |
| 15:46.27 | Birdie | indeed |
| 15:46.28 | trepan | then Tupone point is moot |
| 15:46.39 | Tupone | moot ? like the cow ? |
| 15:46.50 | trepan | yes, just like the cow |
| 15:46.56 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:46.56 | Chestal | IMH it all boils down to one question: is there a technical issue |
| 15:47.21 | Chestal | if some part of DR or whatever does not work good enough under some circumstances, then it miust be adressed |
| 15:47.32 | Chestal | I don't think we have enough information to know yet |
| 15:47.36 | ibunny | hey thilo |
| 15:47.39 | brlcad | in my humble, DR has a flaw ;) |
| 15:47.41 | ibunny | hi birdie bird |
| 15:47.47 | Chestal | there is some theoretical reasoning that suggessts that there is soe DR inaccuracy |
| 15:48.09 | Chestal | we also have practical problems from playing where tanks movements are observed as 'jumpy' |
| 15:48.18 | Birdie | hey bunny |
| 15:48.25 | brlcad | whether DR is inaccurate or not is probably perspective |
| 15:48.25 | Chestal | but it is not understodd as well as needed |
| 15:48.45 | trepan | imho, bzflag has a heluva lotta flaws, this certainly not being the leader ;) |
| 15:48.48 | Chestal | wel, theoretically (i.e. without jitter and without limiting to 30/s), DR is 100% accurate |
| 15:48.52 | brlcad | the drastic velocity changes (direction) cause a huge acceleration value |
| 15:48.56 | Chestal | i.e. position is correct, just at wrong constant dt |
| 15:49.24 | Chestal | jitter makes the reasoning much more complex |
| 15:49.40 | brlcad | the fact that players can non-uniformly cause those drastic velocity changes is something that we should be controlling IMO (i.e. the difference between different input/OS settings) |
| 15:49.51 | orchid | trepan: for the leaague players its a huge issue and many of us dont want to play now against tanks with ME |
| 15:50.02 | trepan | orchid: get your local ops to use -a |
| 15:50.48 | Chestal | the question remains, whether the -a values that are currently in use actually make a difference |
| 15:50.50 | brlcad | for league, that should take care of the problem, no? |
| 15:50.59 | Chestal | (a real one, not only placebo :-) |
| 15:52.15 | brlcad | Chestal: to me, jitter computation is something that has to happen after input processing |
| 15:52.27 | brlcad | and is quite separate |
| 15:53.14 | brlcad | the inputs can/should all still be sent to the server (in a long-term solution), but will require more than capping of the acceleration to be consistently fair |
| 15:53.56 | brlcad | unless that acceleration cap happens to be less than the max possible with default input device settings |
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| 16:01.45 | ibunny | hah. |
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| 16:19.57 | orchid | muahaha |
| 16:20.53 | Aribeth | lol |
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| 16:24.25 | geoffrey | :) |
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| 17:40.12 | bytecoder | anyone up for a game of pillbox? |
| 17:41.16 | bytecoder | nobody? |
| 17:41.18 | bytecoder | oh well |
| 17:41.38 | Mr_Molez | ooo |
| 17:41.40 | Mr_Molez | me me |
| 17:41.55 | bytecoder | ok |
| 17:42.11 | bytecoder | go to the silvercat server |
| 17:42.13 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 17:42.16 | bytecoder | and type in 5155 as the port |
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| 17:53.41 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you there? |
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| 19:09.18 | JeffMmini | ibot, nslookup sasami.bakadigital.com |
| 19:13.21 | JeffMmini | bzfquery sasami.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 19:13.29 | JeffMmini | ~bzfquery sasami.bakadigital.com:5154 |
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| 20:29.25 | I_Died_Once | yo |
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| 20:31.10 | geoffrey | hi |
| 20:31.12 | geoffrey | UGM 'ere |
| 20:31.23 | geoffrey | might be advisable if some trusted/cop went on to Viper's |
| 20:31.25 | geoffrey | as I've gtg |
| 20:37.59 | I_Died_Once | so bzfscron is now reading the crontab as if it were one long ass line, not recognizing the "carriage returns" in the crontab |
| 20:38.25 | I_Died_Once | I just tested it with the sample crontab that comes with, same result |
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| 20:53.46 | bz6994 | is ther a way to be given a second chance (after being banned) |
| 20:54.01 | Birdie | depends why your banned for mostly |
| 20:54.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Allows use of directional keys even when using mouse/joystick |
| 20:54.08 | Tupone | where are you banned ? |
| 20:54.21 | bz6994 | like my friends were playing and they used the name "adolfhitler" |
| 20:54.30 | bz6994 | viper.pimpi and 2-3 others |
| 20:54.47 | Tupone | so you need to talk to viper admins |
| 20:54.50 | bz6994 | i didn't notice the name, and they were at my house under the same router |
| 20:54.57 | bz6994 | how do i go about doing that |
| 20:55.07 | bz6994 | won't let me in to talk to em |
| 20:55.10 | Birdie | i"m viper admin |
| 20:55.14 | bz6994 | can i go in as observer? |
| 20:55.26 | Birdie | i hope you speak the trueth |
| 20:55.31 | Birdie | about it were your friends |
| 20:55.43 | Birdie | and next time watch out who uses bzflag |
| 20:55.58 | Birdie | or say them what is allowed, cause its a public game |
| 20:56.03 | bz6994 | ya it was dumb of me, but i am speaking the truth |
| 20:56.12 | Birdie | need your ip though |
| 20:56.23 | bz6994 | i have been baned for over month to month and a half |
| 20:56.25 | bz6994 | hang on... |
| 20:56.34 | bz6994 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.50 | bz6994 | that is the router |
| 20:56.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx LocalPlayer.h defaultBZDB.cxx): Some bugs on :( Better remove |
| 20:57.09 | Birdie | let me check |
| 20:57.09 | bz6994 | which should be what u need |
| 20:58.21 | Birdie | no ban with that ip in the banlist |
| 20:58.27 | bz6994 | hmmm |
| 20:58.36 | bz6994 | does it have a port attached or something |
| 20:58.44 | bz6994 | since there are multiple computers under the same router |
| 20:58.46 | Tupone | bz6994: are you banned in all the server ? |
| 20:58.57 | bz6994 | no just 2-3 |
| 20:59.51 | bz6994 | any ideas |
| 21:00.01 | Birdie | well without the good ip not much:) |
| 21:00.02 | bz6994 | or is there a way i can talk to the admins at viper and others |
| 21:00.08 | bz6994 | hmm |
| 21:00.08 | Birdie | your talking to one now.. |
| 21:00.13 | Birdie | who banned you? |
| 21:00.20 | bz6994 | tigres |
| 21:00.23 | bz6994 | or something |
| 21:00.28 | bz6994 | i am not on a machine |
| 21:00.31 | bz6994 | that can run BZflag |
| 21:00.40 | bz6994 | i could boot one up and check |
| 21:00.47 | bz6994 | the viper.pimi admin |
| 21:00.53 | brlcad | heh, your friends.. |
| 21:01.00 | bz6994 | ? |
| 21:01.02 | bz6994 | heh, yes |
| 21:01.32 | bz6994 | they were at my house.... |
| 21:01.59 | bz6994 | i have 4 comps under same router so we played together |
| 21:02.03 | brlcad | a little Birdie told me to not believe you, but you don't need to convince me :) |
| 21:02.25 | bz6994 | thats nice Birdie... |
| 21:02.36 | Birdie | so you played together...you saw the offensive names |
| 21:02.42 | Birdie | and you didnt asked them to change? |
| 21:02.53 | Birdie | and you let yourself banned on several servers? |
| 21:02.57 | Birdie | doesnt sound that logic.. |
| 21:03.01 | bz6994 | they must have but they sent private message and they didn't do anything |
| 21:03.07 | bz6994 | and i didn't notice |
| 21:03.14 | bz6994 | of course till to late |
| 21:03.17 | Birdie | you didnt notice while your playing together |
| 21:03.22 | Birdie | and while they have offensive nicks |
| 21:03.29 | bz6994 | we were taking turns on comps |
| 21:03.33 | bz6994 | caz to many of us |
| 21:03.36 | bz6994 | so i was bussy |
| 21:03.57 | bz6994 | why is it that people are banned permenantly |
| 21:04.02 | bz6994 | no second chances |
| 21:04.05 | bz6994 | seems odd |
| 21:04.17 | bz6994 | the rest of the world doesn't work that way |
| 21:04.27 | brlcad | bz6994: there are, just e-mail an admin |
| 21:04.39 | brlcad | or wait here long enough to talk to one of the viper admins |
| 21:04.39 | Birdie | more likely the admin who banned you |
| 21:04.42 | bz6994 | looked up his name and no e-mail address |
| 21:04.52 | Birdie | pm him on bzbb |
| 21:04.54 | trepan | doesn't oft give second chances, why bother? |
| 21:05.04 | bz6994 | caz i like that server |
| 21:05.06 | bz6994 | just dumb |
| 21:05.14 | bz6994 | but if thats what it takes just crazy |
| 21:05.30 | bz6994 | maybe i get my ip reset from provider |
| 21:05.33 | Birdie | you can be banned on once "by accident" while happening all that, but 2 3.. |
| 21:05.35 | bz6994 | then solve all problems |
| 21:05.45 | bz6994 | ? |
| 21:05.56 | bz6994 | i know |
| 21:06.12 | bz6994 | lol |
| 21:06.37 | Birdie | cause its a very unlogic story |
| 21:07.13 | bz6994 | do u not know what it is like running from comp to comp, etc. |
| 21:07.15 | bz6994 | BUSSY! |
| 21:07.16 | Birdie | not a party where i go using racist names and think its fun |
| 21:07.24 | bz6994 | i didn't |
| 21:07.25 | bz6994 | omg |
| 21:07.52 | JeffM2501 | I do not think your god has anything to do with it |
| 21:08.06 | brlcad | vote for pedro |
| 21:08.08 | JeffM2501 | I'm geting anoyed by your constant use of /me |
| 21:08.11 | Birdie | why forgive YOU while you said you didnt do anything? |
| 21:08.29 | bz6994 | because therefore i shouldn't be punished |
| 21:08.33 | bz6994 | not a fair tiral |
| 21:08.37 | bz6994 | trial* |
| 21:08.44 | bz6994 | this is America? |
| 21:09.00 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.05 | detached | :) |
| 21:09.13 | bz6994 | ah i see so unfair to the enth degree? |
| 21:09.21 | bz6994 | alrigth well ty all |
| 21:09.25 | bz6994 | i will figure it out |
| 21:09.27 | JeffM2501 | server owners can ban for any reason they want |
| 21:09.27 | DTRemenak | servers are private property. they belong to their owners. you have no rights, only privileges. |
| 21:09.31 | bz6994 | not getting anywhere her |
| 21:09.44 | JeffM2501 | you don't have "right" to play on there machines, with there bandwith |
| 21:09.44 | bz6994 | IP RESET! yah! |
| 21:09.46 | bz6994 | lol |
| 21:10.01 | brlcad | bz6994: that's a quick way to get a permanent ban if it happens repeatedly |
| 21:10.01 | Birdie | if you will do it? while being annoying here? |
| 21:10.01 | bz6994 | making everyone mad lol :-( sry all |
| 21:10.28 | JeffM2501 | I smell a masterban |
| 21:10.30 | bz6994 | ty then i will just not play anmore |
| 21:10.36 | bz6994 | well ty |
| 21:10.38 | JeffM2501 | what did thy say you "did" ? |
| 21:10.40 | bz6994 | nice folks |
| 21:11.06 | Birdie | bzflag has some nice guys on it! |
| 21:11.18 | JeffM2501 | who the hell was that |
| 21:11.28 | DTRemenak | no clue |
| 21:11.32 | trepan | just another idiot |
| 21:11.35 | JeffM2501 | was playing CoH, look over and see a bazilloon lines that start with 'b" |
| 21:11.46 | Birdie | lol |
| 21:11.49 | Pimpinella | just missed that guy |
| 21:12.25 | Birdie | poor you:) |
| 21:13.35 | trepan | Tupone: why the last patch? that's what auto is for... |
| 21:14.02 | Tupone | nope, auto switch from mouse to keyboard. this not |
| 21:14.15 | trepan | at a minimum make a new mode for it |
| 21:14.19 | Tupone | if you disable switch |
| 21:14.28 | ToughShooter | I've noticed with todays CVS build my tank is stottering when shooting and driving backward |
| 21:14.55 | Tupone | not backward ... and I removed that |
| 21:14.59 | ToughShooter | the screen freezes for a part of second and then all continues smooth |
| 21:15.20 | JeffM2501 | why is mouse code still being mucked with? |
| 21:15.43 | ToughShooter | 2.0.2 is fine, I tested it with CVS with both fancy effects on and off and same result |
| 21:16.03 | Tupone | ToughShooter: that change is not more on :/ |
| 21:16.10 | Tupone | I reverted back |
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| 21:17.26 | ToughShooter | OK |
| 21:17.44 | ToughShooter | I'll test tomorrow again |
| 21:17.50 | Pimpinella | there isn't even a ban gainst that adolf guy |
| 21:18.15 | Birdie | i know i checked |
| 21:19.02 | Birdie | but manu found him:) |
| 21:19.19 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, yes, Trigress banned him |
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| 21:57.33 | RPG_ | JeffM2501: When a forum is auto-pruned, do the sticky's get pruned too? |
| 22:01.43 | JeffM2501 | they should not |
| 22:01.56 | RPG_ | On mofo, it looks like they did |
| 22:02.08 | RPG_ | I want to make sure for msterbot, putting stuff in sticky will acutaly preserve them |
| 22:02.53 | JeffM2501 | as I 've asked in the forum MANY times, do you want a masterbot forum under development? |
| 22:03.11 | RPG_ | i never saw that message |
| 22:03.14 | RPG_ | I"d like id |
| 22:03.29 | RPG_ | TD is the head though |
| 22:03.34 | JeffM2501 | then I'll make you one under dev tho |
| 22:03.54 | RPG_ | will it get pruned still? |
| 22:03.54 | JeffM2501 | public or private? |
| 22:04.02 | RPG_ | public |
| 22:04.12 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:04.17 | JeffM2501 | not all forums are pruned |
| 22:04.23 | JeffM2501 | JUST the server ones and chat |
| 22:05.57 | JeffM2501 | done and moved |
| 22:06.02 | RPG_ | ok |
| 22:07.22 | RPG_ | can you transfer "New CVS Repository" to the masterbot forum too? |
| 22:08.06 | JeffM2501 | done |
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| 23:12.54 | UK_Monkey | 'lo all |
| 23:14.38 | _bubbles_ | hi |
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| 23:54.37 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, you alive? |
| 23:54.42 | RPG_ | yes |
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| 23:54.51 | JeffM2501 | do you not check your /msg page? |
| 23:54.56 | JeffM2501 | dumbass |
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| 23:55.02 | RPG_ | wrong button |
| 23:55.03 | JeffM2501 | do you not check your /msg page? |
| 23:55.08 | RPG_ | yes i did |
| 23:55.14 | RPG_ | and i replied |
| 23:55.23 | JeffM2501 | I don't see it |
| 23:55.26 | JeffM2501 | you need to identify |
| 23:55.38 | JeffM2501 | freenode blocks unidentified /msg |
| 23:55.44 | purple_cow | is there anyone who *isn't* annoyed with this new policy? |
| 23:55.53 | RPG_ | there we go |
| 23:56.05 | JeffM2501 | it woudln't be bad if it sent the sender a message that they could SEE |
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| 23:59.42 | Chestal | you can tell nickserv to not filter |
| 23:59.49 | I_Died_Once | thats why I slowed down on coming in here... no one ever got my messages |