| 00:14.10 | *** join/#bzflag Archangel_13 (n=kevin@64-110-212-84.regn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 00:31.13 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (n=david@debian/developer/dbharris) |
| 00:44.03 | spldart | is jeffm in teh hizzouse? |
| 00:44.19 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 00:44.47 | spldart | I'm rebuilding server, mobo went T.U., and wanted a bit of advice. |
| 00:44.54 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:45.06 | spldart | I wanted a bit of input regarding resetting up debian |
| 00:45.10 | spldart | starting with netinst |
| 00:45.24 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:45.32 | spldart | would like small install... some sort of minimal windows like desktop and maybe a browser |
| 00:45.44 | JeffM2501 | that means X |
| 00:45.45 | spldart | plus samba, apache2 and of course bzfs |
| 00:45.56 | JeffM2501 | do X and fluxbox |
| 00:46.12 | spldart | can I get those easy in aptitude? |
| 00:46.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:46.21 | spldart | x-window I presume |
| 00:46.29 | JeffM2501 | basicly don't do the X "desktop" package when you install |
| 00:46.33 | JeffM2501 | then just apt in X and flux |
| 00:46.44 | JeffM2501 | then you can default to terminal login |
| 00:46.52 | JeffM2501 | then just do startx the times you want X |
| 00:47.03 | JeffM2501 | and don't waste stuff on a graphical login manger |
| 00:47.07 | JeffM2501 | flux is very small |
| 00:47.10 | spldart | ah |
| 00:47.12 | JeffM2501 | but "interesting" |
| 00:47.15 | JeffM2501 | so be weary :) |
| 00:47.18 | spldart | ah |
| 00:47.31 | JeffM2501 | gnome and KDE are prety fat |
| 00:47.38 | spldart | I am currently messing with xfce4 and gdm |
| 00:47.41 | JeffM2501 | if you are woreid about space |
| 00:47.43 | spldart | not liking it :( |
| 00:47.58 | JeffM2501 | you souldn't need a login manger like gdm |
| 00:47.59 | spldart | 1.7 gig master for linux 4 gig slave for files to web serve |
| 00:48.13 | JeffM2501 | do you REALY need X? |
| 00:48.15 | spldart | I had wanted a nice easy login so was thinking gui |
| 00:48.26 | spldart | no I don't REALLY need it... just like easy :( |
| 00:48.34 | JeffM2501 | bzfs is just terminal |
| 00:48.36 | JeffM2501 | so is web |
| 00:48.43 | JeffM2501 | so gui dosn't really get you anything |
| 00:48.49 | spldart | I know. But I'm not fluid in a terminal yet |
| 00:48.50 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to have a graphical login |
| 00:48.56 | JeffM2501 | you can do a terminal login |
| 00:49.06 | spldart | can't just navigate and start stuff easy yet |
| 00:49.13 | spldart | 'in terminal' |
| 00:49.19 | JeffM2501 | best way to learn is to be thrown in :) |
| 00:49.20 | spldart | I don't know :( |
| 00:49.24 | JeffM2501 | but just do X and flug |
| 00:49.26 | JeffM2501 | flux |
| 00:49.41 | spldart | should I add one before the other? x and flux |
| 00:49.42 | JeffM2501 | then some file browser |
| 00:50.02 | spldart | and can you recommend a file browser? |
| 00:50.11 | JeffM2501 | I allways use konq |
| 00:50.15 | JeffM2501 | so no I can't really |
| 00:50.18 | spldart | okies |
| 00:50.20 | JeffM2501 | the others can posibly |
| 00:50.28 | JeffM2501 | konq is part of KDE tho |
| 00:50.31 | JeffM2501 | not a small thing |
| 00:50.49 | spldart | I need gcc too right? for compile bz stuff? |
| 00:50.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:51.00 | spldart | okies |
| 00:51.06 | spldart | thanks :) |
| 00:53.07 | JeffM2501 | 5 freaking disks |
| 00:54.49 | spldart | FC4? |
| 00:54.58 | JeffM2501 | Fedora Core 4 |
| 00:55.03 | spldart | AH |
| 00:55.13 | JeffM2501 | debian dosn't like the new computer |
| 00:55.15 | spldart | I've noticed that linux aint' |
| 00:55.17 | spldart | small |
| 00:55.27 | spldart | or so it seems |
| 00:55.32 | JeffM2501 | linux itself is |
| 00:55.42 | JeffM2501 | the kernel and stuff is only 10 megs or so |
| 00:55.43 | spldart | true |
| 00:55.45 | JeffM2501 | it's all that other stuff |
| 00:55.48 | JeffM2501 | X is not small |
| 00:55.51 | spldart | but you try to do all the stuff |
| 00:55.51 | spldart | yeah |
| 00:56.07 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.38 | JeffM2501 | a configured linux system that is "useable" is about the same size as a windows system of similar configuration I've fond |
| 00:56.42 | JeffM2501 | within 100megs or so |
| 00:57.18 | spldart | true... I had considered one that was prepackaged and small... but wanted to go with debian again... seeemed the most stable of the ones I've tried |
| 00:57.40 | JeffM2501 | if it's the same kernel as debian, then it's probalby just as stable |
| 00:57.48 | JeffM2501 | it's all the same software between distros |
| 00:57.48 | spldart | hrm |
| 00:57.52 | JeffM2501 | just difrent packaging |
| 00:58.01 | JeffM2501 | it's not like debian makes it's OWN kernel or anything |
| 00:58.27 | spldart | yeah but some peeps throw crap on that kernal that ends up giving you the fits :( |
| 00:58.37 | JeffM2501 | I mean if you wan to dial in the system with just what you need and only what you need, then you build from source |
| 00:58.51 | blast007 | ZipSlack starts out at under 100MB, and you can any packages from the full slackware distribution |
| 00:58.52 | JeffM2501 | that is the packaging part |
| 00:59.27 | blast007 | however, it's not a very easy ditro to use |
| 01:00.35 | spldart | i need easy... I are teh linux stupids |
| 01:01.29 | JeffM2501 | the easyer it is the biger it is |
| 01:01.42 | JeffM2501 | all those graphics and hints and clicky things take up space |
| 01:02.06 | JeffM2501 | install a minimal 2kserver :) |
| 01:02.29 | spldart | I'm hoping to find gui with only the things I need.... explorer, samba, apache, bzfs, browser |
| 01:02.36 | spldart | Not much else but a text editor |
| 01:02.46 | spldart | and a clock in the taskbar |
| 01:02.50 | JeffM2501 | samba isn't a gui thing |
| 01:02.53 | JeffM2501 | nether is apache |
| 01:03.12 | JeffM2501 | those can be put onto ANY distro |
| 01:03.13 | spldart | I know.. I would like to double click there conf files and then edit in text editor |
| 01:03.21 | spldart | or single click |
| 01:03.34 | JeffM2501 | that has nothing to do with the programs themeselves |
| 01:03.44 | JeffM2501 | that is a simple file browser |
| 01:03.47 | JeffM2501 | and an editor |
| 01:04.01 | JeffM2501 | sounds like you just want minimal Gnome |
| 01:04.13 | JeffM2501 | what i'd do is, install debian |
| 01:04.16 | JeffM2501 | with no X |
| 01:04.29 | JeffM2501 | then tell apt to install gnome, that will give you the minimal dependencys |
| 01:04.36 | JeffM2501 | then DON'T do GDM |
| 01:04.42 | JeffM2501 | and just use startx |
| 01:04.53 | JeffM2501 | you should be able to handle that amount of terminal |
| 01:04.57 | JeffM2501 | it'll save you a lot |
| 01:05.02 | JeffM2501 | and be somewhat familar |
| 01:05.05 | spldart | ah |
| 01:05.28 | JeffM2501 | basicly spend time at install to let apt only install the min dependencys |
| 01:05.29 | spldart | so do a custom install at that prompt... get gnome |
| 01:05.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:05.41 | JeffM2501 | and apache |
| 01:05.43 | JeffM2501 | and php |
| 01:05.55 | spldart | php? |
| 01:05.58 | spldart | and samba |
| 01:06.14 | JeffM2501 | you want apache and no php? |
| 01:06.18 | JeffM2501 | sure and samba |
| 01:06.29 | spldart | ah... php needed for samba |
| 01:06.34 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:06.39 | JeffM2501 | they are totaly unrelated |
| 01:06.46 | JeffM2501 | what do you need on apache? |
| 01:07.08 | spldart | I just want a simple file server... but not for a website.. just to host files |
| 01:07.14 | spldart | well |
| 01:07.20 | spldart | web file server and lan file server |
| 01:07.35 | JeffM2501 | samba is the windows sharing thing |
| 01:07.41 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:07.45 | JeffM2501 | what web features do you need? |
| 01:07.47 | JeffM2501 | simple hosting? |
| 01:07.51 | spldart | yep |
| 01:07.53 | JeffM2501 | or more complex stuff? |
| 01:07.55 | JeffM2501 | like forums |
| 01:08.11 | spldart | just want to throw a pic, vid or txt... whateva up and then share the link |
| 01:08.26 | spldart | no forums or web sites |
| 01:08.37 | JeffM2501 | no websites? |
| 01:08.47 | JeffM2501 | you said web server |
| 01:08.59 | spldart | no putting up fancy .htm files and making a home web page |
| 01:09.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:09.16 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:09.28 | JeffM2501 | it may fit into 1.7 |
| 01:09.30 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 01:09.30 | spldart | I just want to be able to throw a file on the server from an xp machine to the shared folder on debian server |
| 01:09.37 | JeffM2501 | you can try |
| 01:09.40 | spldart | it fit before :( |
| 01:09.44 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:09.47 | JeffM2501 | then it should fit again |
| 01:09.51 | spldart | I wish I know how I did it before :( |
| 01:10.13 | spldart | "didn't want to take this much of your time" |
| 01:10.15 | spldart | :( |
| 01:10.42 | JeffM2501 | sweet, FC4 crashes |
| 01:11.53 | JeffM2501 | this may involve invoking the power of orchid |
| 01:11.55 | spldart | DOH |
| 01:11.58 | spldart | lol |
| 01:12.10 | spldart | was just talking with orchid on #debian a few hours ago |
| 01:12.11 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:12.38 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it's the dual cards |
| 01:13.59 | spldart | ah man... orchid is /away |
| 01:14.06 | JeffM2501 | or maybe it didn't start in smb mode or something |
| 01:15.59 | orchid | spldart: whats wrong? |
| 01:16.04 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:16.22 | JeffM2501 | I was saying I'd have to invoke orchid |
| 01:16.27 | JeffM2501 | to solve my problems |
| 01:16.33 | JeffM2501 | didn't mean to bug you |
| 01:17.11 | orchid | no you never bug me :) |
| 01:17.18 | JeffM2501 | tho you can probalby recomend a good file browers for him for flux |
| 01:17.22 | JeffM2501 | debian hates me again |
| 01:17.34 | JeffM2501 | and now it's got ubantu and FC4 on the bandwagon |
| 01:17.43 | orchid | oh no |
| 01:17.48 | JeffM2501 | actualy I think it just hates tis PC |
| 01:18.03 | spldart | lol oopsy |
| 01:18.23 | JeffM2501 | debian can't find the network chipset |
| 01:18.34 | orchid | whats the card? |
| 01:18.35 | JeffM2501 | ubantu won't start X at all, no mater what I try |
| 01:18.44 | JeffM2501 | FC4 just crashes on install |
| 01:18.50 | JeffM2501 | let me see |
| 01:18.52 | orchid | heh |
| 01:18.55 | JeffM2501 | it's on the mobo, gigabit stuff |
| 01:19.43 | JeffM2501 | Marvell 8053 |
| 01:20.05 | orchid | do you know the chipset? |
| 01:20.10 | JeffM2501 | that is the chipset |
| 01:20.16 | JeffM2501 | the name of it |
| 01:20.19 | JeffM2501 | the lan chip |
| 01:20.32 | JeffM2501 | the rest of the mobo chipset is nvidia Nforce 4 |
| 01:20.44 | JeffM2501 | and it gets worse :) |
| 01:21.05 | spldart | I'm reinstalling debian netinst from scratch.... so many different attempts and different packages and I'm worried about having a clean install |
| 01:21.27 | JeffM2501 | spldart, wipe the drive :) |
| 01:21.55 | spldart | yepper |
| 01:21.56 | JeffM2501 | orchid, there are also SATA drives in the system ( the main boot drive is one ), but the linux drive is a PATA 133 |
| 01:22.02 | JeffM2501 | AND it's the SLI chipset |
| 01:22.10 | JeffM2501 | with 2 cards |
| 01:22.16 | spldart | I'm so PO'd |
| 01:22.18 | spldart | my |
| 01:22.24 | JeffM2501 | AND a dual core system so it needs SMB :) |
| 01:22.28 | spldart | FIC mobo bios died |
| 01:22.34 | orchid | JeffM2501: heh, is that all? :) |
| 01:22.36 | JeffM2501 | that's what FIC mobos do |
| 01:22.45 | JeffM2501 | orchid, that I can think of :) |
| 01:22.55 | JeffM2501 | oh and dual head |
| 01:22.55 | spldart | through an old hot-569 in there now |
| 01:23.27 | JeffM2501 | I know there is no SLI in linux till nvidia 8x.xx drivers |
| 01:23.28 | orchid | JeffM2501: ubuntu has a net driver yes? but no X? |
| 01:23.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think it found it |
| 01:24.04 | JeffM2501 | was reading on the gentoo forums, they say you have to get the kernel set right to make it work |
| 01:24.11 | JeffM2501 | and have to get the right libs |
| 01:24.23 | JeffM2501 | oh and it's AMD64 |
| 01:24.31 | JeffM2501 | so fun with 32bit compatability :) |
| 01:25.17 | JeffM2501 | there was a beta kubantu that I was thinking of trying |
| 01:25.21 | spldart | maybe after you two get your linux issue sorted you could double team my problem in deciding the best way to go??? 8-) |
| 01:25.30 | JeffM2501 | thinking it'd maybe have newer stuff in it's install |
| 01:25.45 | JeffM2501 | spldart, I'd do the apt X install thing |
| 01:25.49 | JeffM2501 | best way to get minimal |
| 01:26.13 | JeffM2501 | once you get that installed I can tell you how to get X, it's prety easy |
| 01:26.43 | spldart | X has been tried and was to minimal in some ways.... I would like a better program start menu and a clock/taskbar kinda thing... :dunno: |
| 01:26.52 | JeffM2501 | I have not dire need to get linux installed tho |
| 01:27.01 | JeffM2501 | the system is totaly useable now |
| 01:27.03 | spldart | maybe I coulda added more functionality though |
| 01:27.12 | orchid | spldart: fluxbox is very bare, did you try xfce4? |
| 01:27.24 | JeffM2501 | spldart, that's why I said get gnome, it's got the clikcy things you want |
| 01:27.39 | JeffM2501 | orchid, that's what he said he didn't like |
| 01:27.50 | spldart | I did decided to go with your advice to lose the gui login though :-p |
| 01:28.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah no need for it |
| 01:28.03 | spldart | I'll deal with terminal |
| 01:28.18 | JeffM2501 | if you can't type your name, passowrd, then "startx" you have more problems |
| 01:28.30 | orchid | JeffM2501: so, you want an amd64 install with SATA drives and some weirdo onboard nic card :) |
| 01:28.39 | spldart | Does X have a way to do a bit more but not go full windows clone like gnome or kde |
| 01:28.56 | JeffM2501 | orchid, with support for a dual core CPU :) |
| 01:29.13 | JeffM2501 | and a clicky installer |
| 01:29.30 | JeffM2501 | am I asking for to much? |
| 01:29.37 | JeffM2501 | do I need to take linux to dinner first? |
| 01:29.40 | JeffM2501 | maybe a show? |
| 01:29.42 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:29.46 | JeffM2501 | couple walks along the lake |
| 01:29.48 | spldart | Does linux put out? |
| 01:29.52 | spldart | LMAO |
| 01:30.09 | JeffM2501 | does linux like french? |
| 01:30.22 | JeffM2501 | there is a nice french cafe down the road |
| 01:30.28 | JeffM2501 | or maybe P.F. Changs |
| 01:30.41 | orchid | JeffM2501: I'm not sure what would fit the bill, possibly gentoo with a really new kernel |
| 01:30.55 | JeffM2501 | that's what I've been thinking |
| 01:31.00 | JeffM2501 | I've been reading there guide to it |
| 01:31.13 | JeffM2501 | ubantu seems to be the next closetst in support for it |
| 01:31.20 | JeffM2501 | all the debian stuff is "unoficial" |
| 01:31.37 | orchid | the nic card isnt a big deal is it? I mean toss a 3com in it? |
| 01:31.57 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:32.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd have to move stuff around |
| 01:32.11 | JeffM2501 | it's tight in there |
| 01:32.24 | JeffM2501 | they pack an AMAZING number of ports into the thing |
| 01:32.25 | orchid | whats the mobo you have? |
| 01:32.50 | JeffM2501 | Gigabyte GA-K8N Pro-SLI |
| 01:33.00 | orchid | oh and ubuntu gives you everything except X? |
| 01:33.04 | JeffM2501 | ahh here is the chart I found |
| 01:33.08 | JeffM2501 | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/27/mainboards.html |
| 01:33.08 | spldart | crap! >:-( I'm eating my chips and dip to fast.. not absorbing my wine fast enough :( |
| 01:33.29 | JeffM2501 | looks like I may be able to use a realteck driver |
| 01:33.38 | JeffM2501 | r8169 |
| 01:34.02 | JeffM2501 | I give the SATA props tho, that stuff is WICKED fast |
| 01:34.37 | JeffM2501 | copied the contents of a 60 gig drive in like 20 min |
| 01:35.23 | orchid | wow |
| 01:35.26 | spldart | wooooohooooo |
| 01:35.30 | spldart | netinst done |
| 01:35.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:35.34 | spldart | again |
| 01:35.39 | spldart | for like the 5th time |
| 01:35.44 | JeffM2501 | tho I found out bzflag runs like ASS in SLI mode |
| 01:35.49 | JeffM2501 | or even with SLI enabled |
| 01:37.54 | spldart | Trying to find a way to get a 160 gig samsung hd to work in my server is what lead to the mobo failure and corrupted debian install in the first place |
| 01:38.18 | spldart | @ Debian software selection now... |
| 01:38.22 | JeffM2501 | get a real mobo |
| 01:38.31 | JeffM2501 | only pick the apache stuff |
| 01:38.36 | JeffM2501 | don't pick the "desktop" part |
| 01:38.38 | spldart | highlight <> manual package selection |
| 01:38.48 | orchid | no dont do that :) |
| 01:39.05 | orchid | manual means "take all night choosing" |
| 01:39.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:39.32 | orchid | spldart: I leave all that empty, then go grab and xserver and a desktop later |
| 01:39.34 | spldart | I only have desktop, web server, print server, dns server, file server, mail server, sql database, manual package selection |
| 01:39.43 | spldart | ah |
| 01:39.44 | spldart | ok |
| 01:39.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah just leave it blank |
| 01:39.51 | JeffM2501 | apt is your friend |
| 01:40.01 | spldart | apt-get is my mantra |
| 01:40.23 | orchid | you can choose nothing and continue or select webserver and you'll get apache but it will be apache not apache2 |
| 01:40.35 | spldart | k... |
| 01:40.40 | JeffM2501 | apache2 is nice |
| 01:40.53 | spldart | but I need something between X and gnome or X and kde |
| 01:41.07 | spldart | maybe X plus a few things or a stripped down gnome or something |
| 01:41.22 | spldart | I ended up liking apache2 |
| 01:42.22 | JeffM2501 | spldart, |
| 01:42.28 | spldart | ? |
| 01:42.33 | JeffM2501 | you can do a minimal gnome |
| 01:42.42 | JeffM2501 | it shouln't be too big |
| 01:42.47 | spldart | any idea as to the footprint ? |
| 01:42.51 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 01:42.51 | spldart | on the hdd |
| 01:42.53 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:43.03 | spldart | grr... maybe google knows |
| 01:43.03 | JeffM2501 | KDE will probably be larger |
| 01:43.07 | orchid | how much drive space do you have? |
| 01:43.07 | spldart | google knows everything |
| 01:43.10 | JeffM2501 | try and see :) |
| 01:43.15 | spldart | 1.7 gig for the install |
| 01:43.20 | spldart | 4 gig for the served files |
| 01:43.33 | spldart | master and slave |
| 01:43.42 | spldart | this is a junk parts machine |
| 01:44.32 | spldart | shuttle hot 569, 256meg, k6 2-500, 2 drives, cd, nic, usb, ati rage |
| 01:44.58 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=linuxclu@host31-239.pool8263.interbusiness.it) |
| 01:45.44 | orchid | spldart: http://www.vlug.org/linux/links/X_Window_System/Window_Managers/ look at some of these window managers |
| 01:46.43 | spldart | thanks for the link |
| 01:48.33 | spldart | grr... |
| 01:48.55 | spldart | why does it always ask for mail configuration... I don't want mail support :( |
| 01:49.26 | orchid | spldart: you need it, just hit local mail only, not on network |
| 01:49.53 | JeffM2501 | all the logs and stuff when there are errors are sent via mail to root |
| 01:49.59 | orchid | you can go back to it later if you want to send mail from that host |
| 01:50.00 | JeffM2501 | so it has to know how to do it |
| 01:50.20 | spldart | ah |
| 01:50.27 | spldart | my brain hurts :( |
| 01:50.58 | spldart | restarting MTA |
| 01:51.55 | spldart | should I be doing Apt- at root? |
| 01:52.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:52.22 | JeffM2501 | or sudo if you have it installed |
| 01:52.32 | JeffM2501 | and that should be one of the first thigns you install :) |
| 01:52.40 | JeffM2501 | ubantu dosn't even do root |
| 01:52.41 | spldart | really |
| 01:52.42 | JeffM2501 | it's all sudo |
| 01:52.46 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:52.58 | spldart | lemme me check |
| 01:53.12 | orchid | roots fine for now, you wont have sudo installed I dont think |
| 01:53.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah I don't think it's default |
| 01:53.47 | spldart | true |
| 01:53.51 | spldart | no sudo |
| 01:54.22 | spldart | but I would like to install things in logical order and efficiently |
| 01:54.25 | JeffM2501 | I'd say just apt-get install gnome now and see what it does :) |
| 01:54.35 | spldart | :eek: |
| 01:54.53 | spldart | It will probably fill the hd and then error out |
| 01:54.56 | spldart | lol |
| 01:55.08 | JeffM2501 | naw it'll tell you how much it's going to downlaod |
| 01:55.12 | JeffM2501 | and ask you "yes or no" |
| 01:55.22 | spldart | k.. I'll try gnome |
| 01:56.00 | *** join/#bzflag geoffrey (n=geoffrey@host81-152-60-247.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 01:56.13 | geoffrey | hi |
| 01:56.14 | spldart | 613 meg |
| 01:56.20 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:56.21 | spldart | doh |
| 01:56.27 | JeffM2501 | say no |
| 01:56.29 | spldart | does it have web browsers and everything? |
| 01:56.30 | JeffM2501 | and try flux |
| 01:56.32 | spldart | ok |
| 01:56.37 | spldart | just 'flux' |
| 01:56.41 | JeffM2501 | it would have a file browser |
| 01:56.48 | JeffM2501 | you'd do firefox too |
| 01:56.54 | JeffM2501 | and that'd be all you need probably |
| 01:57.01 | JeffM2501 | so probalby like 700 when your done |
| 01:57.02 | spldart | flux not found |
| 01:57.07 | JeffM2501 | it's called fluxbox |
| 01:57.11 | JeffM2501 | search for it |
| 01:57.18 | JeffM2501 | apt-cache search flux |
| 01:57.32 | spldart | ah |
| 01:57.43 | geoffrey | *browsing bzbb... Woah! Nice computer JeffM2501 :) |
| 01:57.52 | JeffM2501 | orchid, now did you ever think that I would be give them advice on linux ;) |
| 01:58.08 | JeffM2501 | geoffrey, the video cards are kinda crap, but it's better then what I had |
| 01:58.19 | spldart | oooOOOOooo only 19.3 meg |
| 01:58.24 | geoffrey | i wonder which gets higher FPS... |
| 01:58.33 | geoffrey | my 6800 Ultra DDL running at 2560x1600 |
| 01:58.48 | geoffrey | or your 6600's in SLI |
| 01:58.58 | spldart | methinks flux is the way to go |
| 01:59.07 | JeffM2501 | spldart, that may not be with X |
| 01:59.13 | JeffM2501 | but give it a shot |
| 01:59.24 | spldart | I'll grab fluxbox now then |
| 01:59.28 | JeffM2501 | geoffrey, it depends on the scene |
| 01:59.35 | geoffrey | i suppose |
| 01:59.36 | JeffM2501 | you have more pixel pipes |
| 01:59.53 | geoffrey | sigh... I love the last taunt in the voice actors list :P |
| 01:59.56 | geoffrey | "spooon" |
| 01:59.56 | JeffM2501 | on average I'll run slightly less then you in fps |
| 02:00.11 | JeffM2501 | but I'll hold it longer as the scene gets more complex since i've 2 GPUs |
| 02:00.31 | JeffM2501 | so as there gets to be more geo, I'll pass you |
| 02:00.46 | JeffM2501 | if the app is set up for optimal SLI |
| 02:00.47 | geoffrey | i've gotta try a couple of recordings |
| 02:01.01 | geoffrey | yeah |
| 02:01.09 | JeffM2501 | I mostly did SLI cus it was cheaper then blowing 300 on the ultra |
| 02:01.15 | geoffrey | :P |
| 02:01.16 | JeffM2501 | tho I may get 7800's later |
| 02:01.21 | geoffrey | two? |
| 02:01.23 | geoffrey | or just one? |
| 02:01.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:01.38 | JeffM2501 | even when I don't do SLI, I need 3 displays |
| 02:01.46 | geoffrey | lol |
| 02:01.47 | spldart | flux is finished |
| 02:01.49 | JeffM2501 | so that means 2 cards |
| 02:01.50 | geoffrey | total res?? |
| 02:02.14 | JeffM2501 | umm I dono, it's ;ike 2 1600's and a 1280 |
| 02:02.15 | geoffrey | i'm 2560x1600 on a single Apple Cinema Display HD 30" |
| 02:02.26 | JeffM2501 | I haven't goten my new main display yet |
| 02:02.40 | geoffrey | time to do some audio recording |
| 02:02.41 | JeffM2501 | it's going to be a dell 24 and 2 19's |
| 02:02.43 | geoffrey | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3945 |
| 02:03.16 | spldart | How do I find out if I need X? |
| 02:03.32 | geoffrey | eek |
| 02:03.35 | geoffrey | my voice sucks |
| 02:04.48 | JeffM2501 | spldart, type startx |
| 02:04.56 | JeffM2501 | or maybe it's startX |
| 02:05.08 | spldart | thought so |
| 02:05.09 | spldart | no |
| 02:05.13 | spldart | I need x |
| 02:05.22 | geoffrey | mind if I do some golum style "my presioussssss" for that Jeff? |
| 02:05.29 | JeffM2501 | apt-cache search xorg |
| 02:05.31 | spldart | it says command not found |
| 02:05.33 | spldart | k |
| 02:05.38 | JeffM2501 | geoffrey, you can do what ever you want |
| 02:06.03 | JeffM2501 | they would just be files for a busted plugin |
| 02:06.08 | JeffM2501 | that crashes most systems |
| 02:06.12 | geoffrey | :) |
| 02:06.38 | spldart | no hit for xorg |
| 02:06.42 | geoffrey | i know what we need... |
| 02:06.45 | JeffM2501 | try X11 |
| 02:06.50 | spldart | ah |
| 02:06.56 | orchid | spldart: xorg is in testing and unstable only |
| 02:06.57 | spldart | x11 was in aptitude |
| 02:06.59 | geoffrey | UT04: "Enemy flag carrier is here [Red base]" |
| 02:07.55 | spldart | x11 hit so many it scrolled myh screen |
| 02:08.56 | spldart | what am I apt get' ing |
| 02:09.03 | JeffM2501 | I don't recall |
| 02:09.06 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 02:09.10 | spldart | hrm |
| 02:09.17 | orchid | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 02:09.23 | JeffM2501 | or listen to her :) |
| 02:09.39 | spldart | how do I get terminal to only list a page at a time again? |
| 02:09.46 | spldart | or I could do that :-p |
| 02:09.49 | JeffM2501 | add | more to the end |
| 02:10.18 | spldart | 88.1 meg disk space |
| 02:10.23 | JeffM2501 | not bad |
| 02:10.40 | orchid | apt-get install less :) then apt-cache search foo | less |
| 02:10.56 | JeffM2501 | less works too |
| 02:11.16 | JeffM2501 | you may need to reconfigure flux tho after you do X |
| 02:11.25 | spldart | gah |
| 02:11.34 | spldart | reconfigure flux? poopies |
| 02:11.57 | spldart | I may have to open another gallon jug of red wine |
| 02:12.13 | JeffM2501 | good wine never comes in gallon gugs |
| 02:12.44 | spldart | I buy looking at alcohol content when I'm building anew server |
| 02:12.50 | spldart | :-p |
| 02:13.07 | spldart | I'm starting with a cabernet and switching to burgundy soon |
| 02:13.18 | JeffM2501 | I think it'd be dpkg --configure fluxbox |
| 02:13.21 | spldart | remember... this a chips and salsa night |
| 02:13.31 | *** join/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=wili@ppp-216-106-107-112.storm.ca) |
| 02:13.34 | spldart | :-D |
| 02:13.45 | Ice_Wewe | I would like to reccomend an addition to the configure script |
| 02:13.53 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 02:13.55 | orchid | dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 02:14.06 | JeffM2501 | that's what it was |
| 02:14.09 | spldart | hrm... |
| 02:14.13 | spldart | picking a mouse port... |
| 02:14.16 | JeffM2501 | I don't have a real debian system here anymore :) |
| 02:14.17 | spldart | but I have a usb mouse |
| 02:14.23 | Ice_Wewe | its just a line suggesting that uses install Mesa, and Mesa libs, thats what solved my compiling problem (also I installed 2006 0.4) |
| 02:14.59 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: new os, and more ram (1.5 GB, up from 512) |
| 02:14.59 | JeffM2501 | on nividia systems you usualy don't want to install mesa, you want the nvidia dev package |
| 02:15.18 | JeffM2501 | but yes, something that says how to get GL |
| 02:15.24 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: there is no nvidia-devel package for Mandriva, and it doens't complain when you install MEsa |
| 02:15.25 | Ice_Wewe | Meas* |
| 02:15.29 | Ice_Wewe | Mesa** |
| 02:15.34 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:15.58 | JeffM2501 | brlcad and tupone are the defacto managers of the make system |
| 02:16.07 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I upgraded the thermal gel on my CPU, and it went down from 60C (full load) to 43 C (full load, half fan speed) |
| 02:16.09 | JeffM2501 | best to mesage it to them |
| 02:16.23 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, that sounds a lot better |
| 02:16.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm running at 34 right now |
| 02:16.39 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: load? (I feel bad for hurting my cpu) |
| 02:16.41 | JeffM2501 | at load I've never seen it over 38 |
| 02:16.48 | JeffM2501 | idles at 34 |
| 02:16.50 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: error!!! g++: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so: No such file or directory |
| 02:16.51 | spldart | wow.. |
| 02:16.54 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: 32 |
| 02:17.17 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, you get that now? |
| 02:17.23 | JeffM2501 | or that was your error? |
| 02:17.24 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: yes |
| 02:17.31 | spldart | I ran tests of everything from cheap conventional silicone heat sink compounds all th way to the best arctic silvers and only got 3 degrees total difference in core temps |
| 02:17.40 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: that was my error, updating db to find where the lib is, and link it |
| 02:17.44 | JeffM2501 | spldart, I have a HUGE fan |
| 02:17.51 | spldart | liquid cooling with active cooling on radiator |
| 02:18.07 | JeffM2501 | sure, you have to have SOME form of GL, ether from nvidia, ATI, or mesa or otherwise |
| 02:18.20 | JeffM2501 | spldart, I'm probalby also a smaller die then you |
| 02:18.33 | geoffrey | tempreture of CPU? Mine is more or less idle at 60C |
| 02:18.42 | JeffM2501 | that seems high |
| 02:18.44 | spldart | I have DD maze 3's x2 on cpu's and chevy truck heater core. Hydor l20 pump and modified window AC for cooking the radiator |
| 02:18.44 | geoffrey | CPU2 is 57C |
| 02:18.46 | JeffM2501 | what is it? |
| 02:18.50 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: made a symbolic link, it had the lib, just under a diff name |
| 02:18.55 | geoffrey | Dual 2.5GHz G5 |
| 02:19.21 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 02:19.21 | Ice_Wewe | Cool |
| 02:19.21 | Ice_Wewe | literally |
| 02:19.21 | geoffrey | with liquid cooling :P |
| 02:19.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah the G5' run HELLA hot |
| 02:19.21 | spldart | cpu0 27, cpu1 29c |
| 02:19.21 | JeffM2501 | they are power hogs |
| 02:19.26 | JeffM2501 | both my CPUs share the same fan :) |
| 02:19.27 | spldart | @ 2.3gig |
| 02:19.33 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I linked /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so and the compile worked |
| 02:19.34 | geoffrey | 63C with liquid cooling and 9 fans |
| 02:19.41 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, cool |
| 02:19.47 | geoffrey | max temp is 86C |
| 02:19.49 | spldart | growl |
| 02:19.56 | spldart | startX still do nothing |
| 02:19.57 | spldart | :( |
| 02:20.01 | Ice_Wewe | geoffrey: ouch, that could use redesigning |
| 02:20.06 | JeffM2501 | spldart, try small x |
| 02:20.10 | JeffM2501 | remember it's case senstive |
| 02:20.17 | spldart | ah |
| 02:20.20 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, no that's just how apple makes them run |
| 02:20.21 | spldart | forgot |
| 02:20.22 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I'm gonna pick myself up a G4 15" Lappy in the next 2 months *drool* |
| 02:20.24 | JeffM2501 | he can't change it |
| 02:20.25 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 02:20.33 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, umm ok |
| 02:20.48 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: well, nice talking to you, but its time to frag |
| 02:20.53 | JeffM2501 | for the price you can get a nice aMD64 one |
| 02:22.12 | spldart | lol |
| 02:22.20 | spldart | I'm playing in x now |
| 02:22.30 | JeffM2501 | if your compile makes a smell, then I think your doing it wong |
| 02:23.01 | geoffrey | time to see what effect BZflag has on the temp |
| 02:24.47 | spldart | cyah jeffm and thanks for the help... if I don't see yah again tonight |
| 02:25.35 | spldart | now to add apache2, samba, browser, gcc and compile a new bzfs |
| 02:27.02 | geoffrey | http://geoffers.uni.cc/temp.png |
| 02:27.12 | geoffrey | temps from my G5 |
| 02:27.21 | geoffrey | the bit where it goes up is going on BZflag |
| 02:27.33 | geoffrey | black line is memory controller heatsink |
| 02:27.39 | geoffrey | orange is CPU1 |
| 02:27.44 | geoffrey | Blue is GPU |
| 02:27.50 | geoffrey | and purple is CPU2 |
| 02:27.59 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (n=nadic666@69.156.89.164) |
| 02:29.02 | geoffrey | anyhow, i'm off |
| 02:29.02 | geoffrey | bye |
| 02:29.13 | spldart | eek |
| 02:29.14 | spldart | hot |
| 02:32.10 | BearPerson | really neat... gets me 50 steady frames on 20-25% cpu usage |
| 02:38.51 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 02:38.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 02:40.24 | Aribeth | sounds like you need a liquid cpu cooler |
| 02:45.02 | spldart | mmmmmmmMMMMMMMmmm liquid |
| 02:45.21 | spldart | 10% antifreeze and rest distilled water takes care of mine |
| 02:52.06 | BearPerson | antifreeze? in what environment do you put your computers? ;-) |
| 02:54.54 | Aribeth | well a sun Ulrea 80 with 4 cpu's can heat a small room |
| 02:55.03 | Aribeth | Ultra* |
| 02:55.22 | spldart | My compy's are in a hot little bedroom with a AC all to their own :) |
| 02:55.52 | Aribeth | my computer has lots of fans |
| 02:56.42 | Aribeth | my dell LDC monitor put out some btu's |
| 03:01.14 | spldart | my 32" crt monitor is a room heater as well :( |
| 03:14.52 | *** join/#bzflag orchid_ (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
| 03:14.52 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid_] by ChanServ |
| 03:15.55 | spldart | gah... which web browser to apt get :( |
| 03:21.23 | JeffM2501 | firefox |
| 03:23.28 | spldart | COOLIES!!! |
| 03:24.11 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:24.40 | RPG_ | JeffM, something strange is happening with bz_format(); |
| 03:25.16 | JeffM2501 | how so? |
| 03:25.51 | RPG_ | It takes the interger 5, and converts it to some 6 digit number |
| 03:26.01 | JeffM2501 | what are you passing in? |
| 03:26.07 | RPG_ | i'll get more details ina bit |
| 03:26.11 | RPG_ | gotta step through the DLL |
| 03:26.17 | JeffM2501 | just show me your code |
| 03:26.21 | JeffM2501 | for the format line |
| 03:26.32 | RPG_ | cap_num = cap_num_orig = strtol(line[1].c_str(), NULL, 10); |
| 03:26.36 | RPG_ | errrrr |
| 03:26.53 | RPG_ | maybe it was strtol() instead of bz_format() |
| 03:27.14 | JeffM2501 | if it's that, then I can't help you |
| 03:27.19 | JeffM2501 | since that's not an API |
| 03:27.24 | JeffM2501 | tho I use atof |
| 03:27.27 | JeffM2501 | or atoi |
| 03:27.56 | spldart | crap... there are lots of firefox's |
| 03:28.09 | JeffM2501 | mozilla-firefox probably |
| 03:28.26 | spldart | was thinking that exact one :-D |
| 03:28.36 | RPG_ | what the? |
| 03:28.46 | RPG_ | I did nothing to the code, and it works fine now |
| 03:29.16 | RPG_ | hhm |
| 03:33.11 | spldart | :) |
| 03:33.24 | JeffM2501 | client or server? |
| 03:33.37 | spldart | I just need a recent bzfs |
| 03:33.43 | spldart | for my server |
| 03:33.51 | JeffM2501 | apt-get install libcurl3-dev |
| 03:34.17 | spldart | okies... once mozilla firefox is done I'll do that :) |
| 03:35.02 | spldart | ok working on libcurl3 |
| 03:35.53 | spldart | libcurl done |
| 03:36.31 | JeffM2501 | then apt-get install libtool |
| 03:36.39 | spldart | I still got 885 meg :) |
| 03:36.49 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 03:36.56 | *** join/#bzflag Guest810 (n=81f0680e@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 03:36.59 | *** part/#bzflag Guest810 (n=81f0680e@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 03:37.12 | spldart | haven't tried firefox yet though |
| 03:37.45 | spldart | is it automatic that x will pick up new stuf I add like firefox and I'll have the shortcut? |
| 03:37.55 | JeffM2501 | it's not X that does that |
| 03:37.56 | spldart | got libtool |
| 03:37.57 | JeffM2501 | it's the WM |
| 03:38.02 | JeffM2501 | apt-get install cvs |
| 03:38.20 | JeffM2501 | flux dosn't realy have "shortcuts" |
| 03:38.52 | JeffM2501 | remember I said flux was "interesting" |
| 03:39.21 | spldart | should I leave root repostiories /var/lib/cvs/ in config of cvs? |
| 03:39.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 03:39.48 | JeffM2501 | your not going to host a cvs server |
| 03:39.57 | orchid | dont run the server though |
| 03:40.34 | spldart | didn't know if firefox would automatically appear in browsers |
| 03:40.40 | JeffM2501 | it may |
| 03:40.41 | spldart | ok cvs done |
| 03:40.43 | JeffM2501 | it may not :) |
| 03:40.48 | spldart | snap |
| 03:41.00 | JeffM2501 | are you in a place where you can make a bzflag build dir? |
| 03:41.11 | spldart | I'm outside x |
| 03:41.21 | spldart | @prompt in root |
| 03:41.21 | JeffM2501 | I mean in a dir |
| 03:41.24 | JeffM2501 | what dir |
| 03:42.01 | spldart | I just went to home... bzuser is in there.... that's my safe login for running bz |
| 03:42.20 | spldart | should I create a folder in /home/bzuser/ called build? |
| 03:42.26 | spldart | and how would I do that? |
| 03:42.48 | orchid | well bzflag will make one for you with the cvs command, called ~/bzflag |
| 03:43.05 | JeffM2501 | just get to your bzuser dir |
| 03:43.06 | JeffM2501 | and do |
| 03:43.08 | JeffM2501 | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login |
| 03:43.20 | spldart | ok... in bzuser dir |
| 03:43.35 | JeffM2501 | do that line |
| 03:43.40 | orchid | he should do this as bzuser though |
| 03:43.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:43.44 | orchid | not as root |
| 03:43.47 | JeffM2501 | not as root |
| 03:43.49 | orchid | su bzuser |
| 03:43.52 | spldart | oopsy |
| 03:43.55 | spldart | ok.... |
| 03:44.05 | JeffM2501 | then redo the login part |
| 03:44.50 | spldart | I'm bzuser @ /home/bzuser/ |
| 03:45.03 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:45.07 | JeffM2501 | do the cvs -d...... thing i pasted |
| 03:45.24 | spldart | working |
| 03:45.40 | JeffM2501 | when it's done do this |
| 03:45.41 | JeffM2501 | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 03:47.29 | spldart | failed, directory no good... trying again |
| 03:49.05 | JeffM2501 | take out the -P |
| 03:49.08 | JeffM2501 | see if that helps |
| 03:50.28 | spldart | second time worked.... didn't take out the -P |
| 03:50.32 | spldart | must have mispelled |
| 03:50.35 | spldart | anywho |
| 03:50.45 | spldart | scrolling files real fast |
| 03:50.51 | JeffM2501 | what? me fail english... that unpossible! |
| 03:51.19 | spldart | scrolling done |
| 03:51.24 | JeffM2501 | cd bzflag |
| 03:51.31 | JeffM2501 | ./autogen.sh |
| 03:51.33 | spldart | me ugh'em fail engrish too |
| 03:52.37 | spldart | error unable to locate gnu autoconf |
| 03:52.48 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 03:52.56 | JeffM2501 | did you install sudo? |
| 03:53.00 | spldart | error to prepare the bzflag build system from scratch |
| 03:53.03 | spldart | ...... |
| 03:53.07 | spldart | uh |
| 03:53.08 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 03:53.10 | spldart | thought I had |
| 03:53.11 | JeffM2501 | it's easy to fix |
| 03:53.20 | spldart | ok |
| 03:53.28 | JeffM2501 | did you add bzuser to the sudoers? |
| 03:53.38 | spldart | no |
| 03:53.44 | JeffM2501 | su - |
| 03:53.44 | spldart | tell me what to check/do? |
| 03:53.48 | JeffM2501 | put in the root password |
| 03:54.02 | JeffM2501 | visudo |
| 03:54.19 | spldart | nope... must not have sudo :( |
| 03:54.27 | JeffM2501 | ok then one sec |
| 03:54.36 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, debian version autoconf |
| 03:54.39 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: 14 matches found: autoconf (oldstable: 2.53-2); autoconf (stable: 2.59a-3); autoconf (testing: 2.59a-3); autoconf (unstable: 2.59a-3); autoconf-archive (stable: 20041123-1); autoconf-archive (testing: 20050812-1); autoconf-archive (unstable: 20050906-1); autoconf-doc (stable: 2.59-2); autoconf-doc (testing: 2.59-3); autoconf-doc (unstable: 2.59-3, 2.59-2); autoconf2.13 (1 more message) |
| 03:54.53 | JeffM2501 | then apt-get install autoconf |
| 03:55.40 | spldart | done |
| 03:55.47 | orchid | might need automake too |
| 03:55.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:55.55 | JeffM2501 | was checking version |
| 03:55.58 | JeffM2501 | stable has a 1.9 |
| 03:56.28 | spldart | should I get automake? |
| 03:56.29 | JeffM2501 | then |
| 03:56.36 | JeffM2501 | apt-get install automake1.6 |
| 03:56.50 | JeffM2501 | should be good enough |
| 03:57.09 | spldart | done |
| 03:57.14 | JeffM2501 | ./autogen.sh |
| 03:57.52 | spldart | as bzuser? in home bzuser bzflag? |
| 03:58.03 | JeffM2501 | as bzuser |
| 03:58.06 | JeffM2501 | just type exit |
| 03:58.11 | JeffM2501 | that will take you back to bzuser |
| 03:59.31 | spldart | methinks me building |
| 03:59.37 | JeffM2501 | no not yet |
| 03:59.39 | JeffM2501 | your just gening |
| 03:59.43 | JeffM2501 | tell me when it's done |
| 03:59.45 | spldart | "automatically preparing build |
| 03:59.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:59.52 | JeffM2501 | that's just PREPAIRING build |
| 03:59.53 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.59 | JeffM2501 | you still have to config |
| 04:00.15 | spldart | grr... and still have all the bzfs stuff to config too :( |
| 04:00.53 | spldart | does this take a while with no hd activity? |
| 04:01.02 | JeffM2501 | it can |
| 04:01.08 | spldart | k |
| 04:03.46 | spldart | done |
| 04:04.08 | JeffM2501 | any errors? |
| 04:04.26 | spldart | no.. it seems happy |
| 04:04.58 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 04:05.02 | JeffM2501 | ./configure |
| 04:05.20 | spldart | hrm.. that's what it said for me to do ;) |
| 04:05.42 | JeffM2501 | this will be the intersting part |
| 04:05.44 | spldart | am I building yet? |
| 04:05.50 | JeffM2501 | to see if you have the libs |
| 04:05.52 | JeffM2501 | no not yet |
| 04:05.59 | spldart | aj |
| 04:06.04 | JeffM2501 | the next step is tho |
| 04:08.07 | spldart | ok... weird |
| 04:08.17 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 04:08.34 | spldart | no curses! no SDL! bzadmin no bzflag client binary |
| 04:09.03 | JeffM2501 | ok good |
| 04:09.07 | JeffM2501 | make |
| 04:09.26 | spldart | now am I building? |
| 04:09.30 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 04:09.35 | spldart | Yay! |
| 04:09.47 | spldart | 8-D |
| 04:10.45 | JeffM2501 | that should build all the plugins too |
| 04:10.48 | spldart | Once this step is done I should be able to do the usual bz configuration stuff and get my map back online? |
| 04:10.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:10.56 | spldart | oh really? |
| 04:10.58 | JeffM2501 | when this is done |
| 04:10.58 | spldart | plugins? |
| 04:11.01 | spldart | hrm :) |
| 04:11.06 | spldart | thanks |
| 04:11.15 | spldart | I think that was more painless than last time |
| 04:11.20 | JeffM2501 | you will have src/bzfs/bzfs that will be your exe |
| 04:11.28 | spldart | more like an enema... not like the inquisition |
| 04:11.40 | spldart | okies |
| 04:11.55 | orchid | spldart: installing libncurses5 will let you build bzadmin which you might want if your running a server |
| 04:12.46 | JeffM2501 | tho you may want to admin it from windows |
| 04:12.53 | spldart | I normally run bzfs with an output dumped to a logfile.txt... I then check on that across the lan for problems... Otherwise I run bzadmin on windows xp boxes normally |
| 04:14.48 | spldart | I hope I can find a backup of my old bz backuped upt stuff |
| 04:39.19 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (n=david@debian/developer/dbharris) |
| 04:47.35 | spldart | recomendation for a good simple file browser for my x |
| 04:47.39 | spldart | ? |
| 05:42.25 | *** join/#bzflag Erroneous (n=DTRemena@DHCP-170-143.caltech.edu) |
| 05:44.19 | *** join/#bzflag Erroneous (n=DTRemena@DHCP-170-143.caltech.edu) |
| 06:07.46 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (i=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 06:22.55 | *** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 06:50.15 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (n=Julio@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:28.20 | *** join/#bzflag WonderMop (n=WonderMo@user-11faa5g.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 07:29.48 | *** part/#bzflag WonderMop (n=WonderMo@user-11faa5g.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 07:48.32 | *** join/#bzflag kyelewis` (n=kyelewis@freematrix/staff/kyelewis) |
| 08:00.00 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=birdie@d54C34DE9.access.telenet.be) |
| 09:17.54 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B01381.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:52.37 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=birdie@d54C34DE9.access.telenet.be) |
| 10:28.46 | *** join/#bzflag bz4136 (n=dbeeaaf6@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 10:31.04 | *** join/#bzflag bz4136 (n=dbeeaaf6@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 10:38.24 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 10:38.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 10:39.28 | *** join/#bzflag bz0129 (n=dbeeaaf6@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 10:40.17 | *** join/#bzflag bz0129 (n=dbeeaaf6@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 10:44.34 | *** join/#bzflag bz0129 (n=dbeeaaf6@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 10:53.19 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 11:02.35 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (n=frank@p54819215.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:40.34 | *** join/#bzflag yummy (n=yummy@lns-p19-18-idf-82-65-112-139.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 12:41.53 | Birdie | somethimes bzflag takes like 2min before i can get my "home"screan when i start it....what can be the reason? |
| 12:42.36 | yummy | i guess it's when there's Pb to get the "message of the day" |
| 12:43.18 | jpa- | Birdie: what version? |
| 12:43.35 | Birdie | 2.0.2 i think |
| 12:43.47 | jpa- | hm |
| 12:43.54 | jpa- | it might still be the motd |
| 12:43.58 | jpa- | i'm not sure |
| 12:45.09 | Birdie | i should update..:) |
| 12:49.15 | yummy | Birdie: ya, take latest bz beta release to get rid of this motd Pb that can cause the first screen to appear immediately |
| 13:02.55 | Birdie | 2.0.3b17 now |
| 13:17.46 | Birdie | how to remove that message of the day? |
| 13:20.57 | BearPerson | -nomotd or something |
| 13:21.11 | BearPerson | or edit your config file and set the motd server to 127.0.0.1 or something |
| 13:21.40 | jpa- | there is some disablemotd 1 thingie for config file |
| 13:21.54 | jpa- | and -nomotd should work |
| 13:22.00 | Birdie | just put that in the config? |
| 13:22.09 | jpa- | -nomotd on the commandline |
| 13:22.24 | jpa- | i can't remember if i remember right what is the config option |
| 13:23.11 | BearPerson | you can look for motdServer in the config file |
| 13:23.32 | Birdie | #set motdServer http://bzflag.org/motd.php |
| 13:24.00 | BearPerson | set that to "set motdServer http://127.0.0.1/" |
| 13:24.22 | BearPerson | ought to time out pretty quickly that way |
| 13:26.06 | jpa- | look for just "motd" |
| 13:26.18 | jpa- | hmm |
| 13:26.21 | jpa- | or maybe not :) |
| 13:26.26 | BearPerson | that was the only thing I had for motd in my config file |
| 13:26.40 | jpa- | yeah, me too apparently |
| 13:27.06 | jpa- | but the option existed few days ago when JeffM2501 told it to someone |
| 13:32.43 | *** join/#bzflag Guest998 (n=52439b5d@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 13:35.05 | *** join/#bzflag Guest610 (n=52439b5d@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 13:44.30 | *** join/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=wili@ppp-216-106-101-48.storm.ca) |
| 14:24.16 | *** join/#bzflag wili_ (n=wili@ppp-216-106-109-110.storm.ca) |
| 14:34.45 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 14:38.03 | uso | Birdie: set disableMOTD 1 |
| 15:04.35 | *** join/#bzflag claudia (n=claudia@host199-65.pool80180.interbusiness.it) |
| 15:10.11 | Birdie | uso: ty |
| 15:10.21 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (i=neot@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 15:10.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 15:11.31 | ToughShooter | The funny thing about the so called message of the day is that it's only there to produce traffic but isn't used to give debian users a hint for what is going on with their clients. :x |
| 15:12.07 | RPG_ | there's a new MOTD? |
| 15:12.08 | RPG_ | wow |
| 15:12.13 | Tupone | nope |
| 15:12.25 | Tupone | we should change it |
| 15:12.29 | RPG_ | i think so :) |
| 15:12.43 | ToughShooter | Indeed |
| 15:13.25 | ToughShooter | It's so nice when you're trying to explain some people what is happening and they don't speak english |
| 15:13.58 | ToughShooter | Like having to tell them in french or polish |
| 15:14.37 | Tupone | so ? multilingual MOTD ? |
| 15:15.10 | RPG_ | hmmm |
| 15:15.29 | RPG_ | then you'd need to provide MOTD's for all language |
| 15:15.59 | RPG_ | maybe BZFlag could HTTP GET "my.bzflag.org/motd.php?lang=polish" |
| 15:17.21 | ToughShooter | It should show a message in the choosen language used in options, IMHO |
| 15:18.03 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (n=nadic666@toronto-HSE-ppp4263584.sympatico.ca) |
| 15:19.28 | uso | debian user have a very good package system to update their system ;) |
| 15:19.48 | uso | the only thing we need is to provide a fixed package for debian ... |
| 15:20.30 | uso | it's on Tim :) |
| 15:20.45 | ToughShooter | Why should one install a newer version when they don't know the game and are newbies? |
| 15:21.06 | RPG_ | do you think this is a good start for a PHP tutorial on file management? http://www.garrettsites.net/index.php?page=24 |
| 15:21.09 | menotume | why have a MOTD if it never changes - might as well build it into the client :) |
| 15:21.47 | ToughShooter | When I choose German as language the message is always blank |
| 15:23.39 | ToughShooter | also much parts are not translated and it doesn't look very logical so I chose default after I saw what it does with my language setting |
| 15:23.47 | uso | ToughShooter: they don't have to install a newer version, they get the fixed version during the normal update of the system |
| 15:24.16 | uso | afaik it only happens with the testing/unstable branch of debian as it only has gcc4 |
| 15:24.36 | uso | and people which are on testing/unstable update often |
| 15:25.39 | ToughShooter | I'm just saying to give them a note because otherwise that MODT feature is completly without sense. |
| 15:27.38 | uso | we could simply delete the motd stuff ... nobody will be able to set a new motDAY and translate it into a dozen of languages regularly |
| 15:27.54 | uso | i don't know how many languages bzflag supports |
| 15:28.09 | RPG_ | uso: alot |
| 15:28.23 | Chestal | but none of them is probably complete |
| 15:30.10 | uso | so if not even the translations are complete a multilanguage motd probably never could be maintained :) |
| 15:31.10 | uso | and btw, probably nobody reads what the client is writing on startup ;) |
| 15:32.57 | Tupone | translation system is inadeguate AFAIK, but we first need to have a more wide character set. Cuurent font does not provide a lot of feature |
| 15:34.34 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 15:35.20 | Erroneous | Tupone: the font can be extended very easily. hard part is making bzflag itself (and protocol) wide-char safe. |
| 15:35.46 | Tupone | ahh Erroneous:) you know how to change the motd ! |
| 15:36.17 | Erroneous | yes. someone needs to have permission on the website to do it. |
| 15:36.29 | uso | ah tupone ... wasn't you the gl expert :) |
| 15:36.33 | Tupone | I did not not notice you, has you had not voice |
| 15:37.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 15:37.16 | uso | i've tried to draw the team flags with glRectf insteag of glVertex2f to make them better visible |
| 15:37.17 | Tupone | uso, I'm not, at least compared to other guys here |
| 15:37.17 | Erroneous | this better? :) |
| 15:37.39 | Tupone | Better, so I know where I can find you in the list :) |
| 15:37.40 | uso | oh, than i remembered false :( |
| 15:38.24 | Tupone | Erroneous: don't you have the permission ? |
| 15:38.36 | Erroneous | no, I do not |
| 15:39.08 | Tupone | learner should be the man then. It is ? |
| 15:39.17 | Erroneous | learner can, yes |
| 15:39.28 | menotume | maybe i can - checking |
| 15:39.30 | uso | any other gl guy with a hint? |
| 15:39.52 | uso | drawing the flags with glRectf works if they are not on a tank |
| 15:40.05 | Tupone | uso the team flag where? Radar ? |
| 15:40.29 | uso | if they are on a tank the flags were drawn but bzflag freezes after a few seconds |
| 15:40.33 | uso | yes, on radar |
| 15:41.40 | menotume | errr, its bzflag.org/moth.php, isn't it ? |
| 15:41.41 | *** join/#bzflag conanhome (n=conan@201.254.81.130) |
| 15:41.46 | menotume | motd |
| 15:43.25 | menotume | nvm, i see it - sf is having intermittant sql problems :( |
| 15:43.33 | uso | maybe this has something to do with the context as drawing flags on tanks are in a glPushMatrix/glPopMatrix frame |
| 15:43.55 | Tupone | http://bzflag.org/motd.php |
| 15:44.15 | menotume | yes |
| 15:44.18 | menotume | it works now |
| 15:44.34 | menotume | we need a web-interface (php) to change/add motd msgs |
| 15:46.02 | *** join/#bzflag ibunny (i=alex@pdpc/supporter/active/jolie) |
| 15:46.04 | ibunny | hi |
| 15:46.08 | Tupone | hi ibunny |
| 15:46.12 | menotume | yello |
| 15:46.16 | Tupone | ltnsy |
| 15:46.21 | ibunny | oh |
| 15:46.25 | Birdie | hey ibunny bunny bun |
| 15:46.30 | ibunny | shouldt tupito be zzz? |
| 15:46.39 | ibunny | i wonder.. |
| 15:46.45 | ibunny | what time is it in europe? |
| 15:46.51 | Tupone | Why, because I was late yesterday night |
| 15:46.56 | ibunny | ah |
| 15:46.57 | ibunny | ok |
| 15:47.42 | Tupone | ibunny: where are you now ? |
| 15:47.50 | ibunny | US |
| 15:47.52 | ibunny | :D |
| 15:47.57 | Tupone | :) |
| 15:48.15 | Tupone | where actually ? MD ? |
| 15:48.54 | ibunny | thihi |
| 15:48.57 | ibunny | nope .fl |
| 15:49.05 | Tupone | well, lot of state with that time |
| 15:49.12 | Tupone | fl is one of them :) |
| 15:51.15 | Tupone | I think we can have motd on CVS, and a script able to update where it belong |
| 15:53.44 | menotume | i think we should have the same MOTD functionality on m.b.o. |
| 15:53.51 | menotume | then change 2.0.4 client to look there |
| 15:53.59 | menotume | then, eventually, we can move it |
| 16:02.16 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (i=neot@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 16:06.43 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 16:06.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:08.29 | *** part/#bzflag ibunny (i=alex@pdpc/supporter/active/jolie) |
| 16:10.39 | menotume | JeffM2501: ping |
| 16:10.42 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 16:10.48 | menotume | there's a lot of sql errors on sf |
| 16:10.53 | menotume | so, no MOTD |
| 16:10.55 | JeffM2501 | it happens |
| 16:11.01 | menotume | i think we should have the same MOTD functionality on m.b.o. |
| 16:11.05 | menotume | then change 2.0.4 client to look there |
| 16:11.08 | menotume | hen, eventually, we can move it |
| 16:11.09 | JeffM2501 | ok code it up |
| 16:11.12 | menotume | :) |
| 16:11.21 | menotume | also, a webpage to change the motd(s) |
| 16:11.46 | menotume | one more thing - bzfs is borked |
| 16:11.56 | JeffM2501 | could the SF one just be changed to look at my.bo? |
| 16:11.58 | menotume | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/22572 NOTE: Those are RUNTIME errors! |
| 16:12.05 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (n=david@debian/developer/dbharris) |
| 16:12.13 | menotume | hmm, perhaps a redirect |
| 16:13.19 | JeffM2501 | make sure your building clean |
| 16:13.27 | JeffM2501 | learner changed a lot in the build recently |
| 16:13.35 | menotume | yes, that's what i suspect |
| 16:13.40 | menotume | yes, clean build |
| 16:13.44 | menotume | also tried fresh CO |
| 16:13.49 | menotume | orchid has the same problem |
| 16:13.58 | menotume | i'm trying again with --disable-plugins |
| 16:14.06 | JeffM2501 | let him know then |
| 16:14.07 | ToughShooter | BTW: make distclean is broken |
| 16:14.13 | menotume | my bzfs executable is ony 5Kb :) |
| 16:14.21 | menotume | yes, that too :) |
| 16:15.08 | ToughShooter | I had some probs, too. It helped to move .libs with bzfs |
| 16:15.48 | menotume | well, it'll run fine if you run it from the dev tree (where all the .o's are) |
| 16:15.57 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.17 | *** join/#bzflag meacan (n=dennis@port151.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:16.39 | menotume | i'm assuming that we are not planning on releasing all the .o's ? :) |
| 16:17.04 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (n=dennis@dahlia.d75.net) |
| 16:17.16 | menotume | oh no, both of them are here :( |
| 16:17.39 | menotume | NOTE: MOTD changed to inform that debian unstable is broken. |
| 16:20.10 | meacan | menotume: no, its my brother |
| 16:20.16 | JeffM2501 | the motd is set to use the www.bzflag.org news login system |
| 16:20.19 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to move that over too |
| 16:20.36 | JeffM2501 | maybe we should just move www.bzflag.org |
| 16:24.44 | BearPerson | took me quite a while to get the motd last startup |
| 16:25.05 | BearPerson | only noticed it when I was playing for a bit and it suddenly jumped in |
| 16:25.08 | menotume | yes, it's very slow - sql overload |
| 16:25.16 | menotume | 'news login system' ? |
| 16:25.37 | JeffM2501 | how we post the news on the main page |
| 16:25.41 | menotume | there is some kind of rss feed in motd.php |
| 16:25.41 | JeffM2501 | there is a login system for it |
| 16:25.43 | JeffM2501 | it' all php |
| 16:25.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:25.59 | JeffM2501 | they made it rss |
| 16:26.20 | menotume | yes, all should be moved to m.b.o. |
| 16:26.24 | menotume | Tim has said that |
| 16:27.01 | menotume | i don't understand what the login system has to do with motd though |
| 16:27.53 | JeffM2501 | we use the same login system to CHANGE the motd |
| 16:27.59 | menotume | ahhh |
| 16:28.03 | JeffM2501 | there is a motd edit page as part of the news thingy |
| 16:28.10 | menotume | ahh, gotya |
| 16:28.16 | menotume | i did it the hard way :) |
| 16:29.00 | menotume | would be consistant if we used phpbb groups |
| 16:29.27 | menotume | but, all of this is beyond my work load for now :( |
| 16:30.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah it would be cool if there was a single login system |
| 16:30.11 | JeffM2501 | and my.bo was a true portal site with real news and stuff |
| 16:30.14 | menotume | not to mention that it takes waaaay too long to get things done - still waiting on the new listserver - ready for 2 months now |
| 16:30.37 | JeffM2501 | what new list server? |
| 16:30.40 | JeffM2501 | and waiting on who? |
| 16:30.45 | menotume | waiting on TR |
| 16:30.53 | JeffM2501 | dude just do it yourself |
| 16:30.55 | menotume | i made changes to bzfs and the listserver |
| 16:31.00 | menotume | i can't - no permiss |
| 16:31.05 | JeffM2501 | he's never going to do ANYthing in this project again |
| 16:31.09 | JeffM2501 | then get me or DTR to do it for you |
| 16:31.14 | menotume | :) |
| 16:31.32 | JeffM2501 | but I can't do it today |
| 16:31.56 | BearPerson | what's with TR? |
| 16:32.33 | JeffM2501 | he had a baby |
| 16:32.39 | JeffM2501 | and he dosn't really DO anything anymore |
| 16:32.42 | JeffM2501 | hasn't in like 2 years |
| 16:33.06 | BearPerson | ah |
| 16:34.09 | JeffM2501 | so basicly if you want it done, you do it yourslef, or make it happen somehow |
| 16:34.16 | menotume | okies |
| 16:34.18 | menotume | :) |
| 16:34.39 | menotume | Erroneous: ping :D |
| 16:35.30 | menotume | ahh, nvm |
| 16:35.34 | menotume | it's happening |
| 16:35.39 | JeffM2501 | menotume, it's done |
| 16:35.43 | JeffM2501 | test now for me please |
| 16:35.53 | menotume | test? |
| 16:35.56 | menotume | what's that ? |
| 16:36.43 | JeffM2501 | just make sure it works |
| 16:38.23 | JeffM2501 | gonnna take a shower I'll chekc with you when I get back |
| 16:39.53 | blast007 | only showing 8 servers right now, but it might take up to 15 minutes for them to all reappear |
| 16:41.31 | menotume | yes, i fixed it :) |
| 16:41.41 | menotume | 30 minutes, actually :) |
| 16:42.02 | blast007 | isn't there a forced ADD message every 15? |
| 16:42.21 | menotume | 30 |
| 16:42.30 | menotume | acually, now it's 29 |
| 16:42.51 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-62-90.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:43.47 | menotume | bzfls timeout and forced add were both 30, i changed bzfls timeout to 30.5 |
| 16:43.54 | menotume | sry, not 29 |
| 16:46.20 | menotume | JeffM2501: so far, so good |
| 16:47.53 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 16:52.39 | spldart | I have a fresh Debian netinst and have added through apt-get x-window-system, firefox-mozilla, samba, apache2, gcc and just finished, last night thanks jeffm/orchid, a compile of bzflag... I need a good file/network browser.. suggestions? |
| 16:56.29 | BearPerson | rox is supposedly rather okay... not sure how it does on network |
| 16:56.36 | BearPerson | s/how/if/ |
| 16:57.09 | spldart | hrm |
| 16:57.11 | BearPerson | rox is the non-gnome non-kde konqueror/galeon without the web browser, iirc |
| 16:57.17 | spldart | thanks... I'll check that |
| 16:57.22 | BearPerson | galeon does all kinds of stuff, but needs gnome |
| 16:58.25 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-62-90.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:02.38 | blast007 | spldart: SF.net is being slow, but here's a cached view of the ROX-Filer page: |
| 17:02.39 | blast007 | http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:nletC1OPAU0J:rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/ROX-Filer+&hl=en |
| 17:04.45 | spldart | looks kinda like what I want :) |
| 17:05.50 | spldart | let's see if apt get can find it :) |
| 17:06.42 | *** join/#bzflag silverfox (i=vircuser@68-116-47-254.static.mdfd.or.charter.com) |
| 17:07.52 | blast007 | it's under 'rox-filer' in apt-get, according to their install page |
| 17:10.59 | spldart | I'm installling it :) |
| 17:15.04 | *** join/#bzflag techman (n=vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 17:16.01 | techman | gotta reboot windows bbl |
| 17:18.10 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 17:18.17 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-62-90.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:20.10 | *** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 17:20.31 | RPG_ | hi |
| 17:20.48 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:20.52 | RPG_ | hey blash |
| 17:20.57 | RPG_ | i have a BZFS questoin |
| 17:21.15 | jpa- | ~ask |
| 17:21.18 | ibot | [ask] Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 17:21.22 | RPG_ | lol |
| 17:21.24 | RPG_ | i've seen that |
| 17:21.34 | RPG_ | hmm, i may just have an answer to it |
| 17:21.46 | blast007 | blash the stampede |
| 17:21.55 | jpa- | give the answer first and we'll try to guess the question :) |
| 17:22.01 | RPG_ | 34! |
| 17:22.08 | RPG_ | no... 42! |
| 17:22.11 | jpa- | 6*9 |
| 17:22.19 | RPG_ | 54? |
| 17:22.24 | jpa- | no, 42 |
| 17:22.25 | RPG_ | ~6*9 |
| 17:22.26 | ibot | hmm... 6*9 is 42 |
| 17:22.30 | RPG_ | wow |
| 17:22.37 | RPG_ | i've really frgot that |
| 17:22.46 | blast007 | ~6 * 9 |
| 17:22.47 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, 6 * 9 is 42 |
| 17:23.05 | RPG_ | i'm making a patch |
| 17:23.14 | RPG_ | when you grab a flag, if it has a shot limit, it will tell you |
| 17:23.29 | blast007 | ~factinfo 6*9 |
| 17:23.29 | ibot | 6*9 -- created by spiralman <thomas@spiralman.rh.rit.edu> at Thu Nov 14 04:40:14 2002 (1032 days); it has been requested 16 times, last by RPG_, 1m 3s ago. |
| 17:23.35 | menotume | _Manu_: pingy |
| 17:25.15 | RPG_ | ~microsoft |
| 17:25.16 | ibot | [microsoft] "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." |
| 17:26.45 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:28.52 | *** join/#bzflag spldart2 (n=vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 17:29.07 | spldart2 | cursed windows :( |
| 17:29.33 | RPG_ | awww |
| 17:29.35 | RPG_ | what's happeend? |
| 17:29.48 | RPG_ | or are you just venting? |
| 17:30.24 | spldart2 | ati mmc no video, ie slow, irc connection problems, threads I didn't recognize in task manager |
| 17:30.47 | spldart2 | running norton 2k5 after an update now |
| 17:31.14 | menotume | i would pull the n/w cable after you update |
| 17:31.37 | spldart2 | the rest of the network is down |
| 17:32.11 | blast007 | would be a good idea to run Spybot Search & Destroy and Ad-Aware SE too |
| 17:33.16 | spldart2 | will do so after norton is done |
| 17:33.34 | spldart2 | norton detects 2 threats so far.... willl see |
| 17:33.57 | RPG_ | ooh |
| 17:33.58 | blast007 | also, don't trust that norton will find everything ;) |
| 17:34.06 | RPG_ | 70% of the stuff |
| 17:34.12 | RPG_ | that's a statistic |
| 17:34.15 | blast007 | I usually run my local antivirus, and then like 4 online scanners |
| 17:34.25 | spldart2 | norton has served me well... along with adwware and spybot |
| 17:34.37 | RPG_ | i have 2 scanners for virus, and 2 scanners for adware/spybot, and common sense |
| 17:34.38 | spldart2 | sometimes I run pandasoft |
| 17:34.46 | blast007 | Bitdefender, RAV, Trend Housecall, Panda |
| 17:35.02 | spldart2 | I'lll add those to favorites |
| 17:36.40 | blast007 | jpa-: what OS? |
| 17:37.04 | jpa- | hmm.. dunno |
| 17:37.17 | jpa- | there is no penguins anywhere so it can't be linux, right? |
| 17:38.14 | blast007 | lol |
| 17:54.50 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 18:00.09 | spldart2 | dude! rox rocks! |
| 18:00.34 | spldart2 | nick spldart |
| 18:20.29 | menotume | ~_Manu_++ |
| 18:21.23 | _Manu_ | o_O |
| 18:21.52 | menotume | global login on priavte server (DUB:59998) is working :) |
| 18:22.00 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 18:22.30 | _Manu_ | ~menotume++ |
| 18:22.51 | menotume | awwww, thx :) |
| 18:30.45 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=birdie@d54C34DE9.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:40.53 | *** join/#bzflag conanhom1 (n=conan@201.255.124.33) |
| 18:44.32 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 18:44.32 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 18:48.59 | Tupone | menotume: did you a file bzfs ? :) |
| 18:49.19 | menotume | errr, huh ? |
| 18:49.26 | Tupone | try it :) |
| 18:49.35 | menotume | it still doesn't work - even with --disable-plugins |
| 18:49.38 | menotume | try what ? |
| 18:49.41 | Tupone | you'll see why 5k |
| 18:49.46 | Tupone | file bzfs |
| 18:49.59 | menotume | Tupone: it may work for you beacuase you are running it where the .o files are ? |
| 18:50.29 | menotume | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:50.37 | Tupone | Have you seen what bzfs is ? :) |
| 18:50.44 | menotume | shell script :) |
| 18:50.58 | Tupone | it build .libs/bzfs |
| 18:51.05 | Tupone | or run it if present |
| 18:52.26 | menotume | well, i wonder if we changed make install |
| 18:53.40 | _Manu_ | heh :) |
| 18:55.52 | menotume | better. now i just get: ./bzfscvs: error while loading shared libraries: libBZFSplugin.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:56.14 | menotume | and, that was with --disable-plugins :) |
| 18:57.27 | spldart | grr... where is my new bzfs I just compiled :( |
| 18:57.42 | Tupone | menotume: that error I understand. You'll have that unless you install bzfs and use the instruction the make install says |
| 18:58.25 | Tupone | well, sorry, I'm out for a party ... (not that kind of sorry) :) |
| 18:59.05 | menotume | spldart: look in ../src/bzfs/.libs |
| 18:59.35 | menotume | now i gotta figure it out |
| 19:00.07 | spldart | ok.. I see it.. 18meg??? |
| 19:00.59 | blast007 | run a -version on it to see if that's it |
| 19:01.09 | blast007 | if it is, run a 'strip bzfs' |
| 19:01.17 | menotume | mine is 10 meg |
| 19:01.28 | menotume | geez, symlinks |
| 19:01.30 | spldart | ic a bzfs and a it-bzfs |
| 19:01.52 | menotume | it's all learner's fualt, too ! |
| 19:02.27 | spldart | it's not stripped |
| 19:04.28 | menotume | i don't think i like this if libBZFSplugin is going to change often |
| 19:04.36 | menotume | no more just copying bzfs |
| 19:04.51 | spldart | now I do have a bzfs executable in home/myuser/bzflag/src/bzfs that is 5.585 |
| 19:05.04 | menotume | spldart: that is a shellscript |
| 19:05.12 | menotume | i'm fighting the same thing right now |
| 19:05.24 | spldart | ah |
| 19:06.12 | menotume | grrr, and setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH :( |
| 19:08.24 | menotume | spldart: you'll need .libs/bzfs and .libs/libBZFSplugin.so.0.0.0 |
| 19:08.43 | menotume | then, you'll need to symlink /libBZFSplugin.so.0 to /libBZFSplugin.so.0.0.0 |
| 19:08.56 | menotume | and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to where the symlink is |
| 19:09.04 | blast007 | ick... |
| 19:09.09 | menotume | unless you want to use the 'standard' install |
| 19:09.12 | menotume | ya |
| 19:09.26 | blast007 | I never use make install |
| 19:09.31 | menotume | me neither |
| 19:09.51 | menotume | and, that library will probably change often |
| 19:10.26 | spldart | stripped bzfs is a tad over 1 meg |
| 19:12.01 | menotume | man, talk about extra fat :) |
| 19:12.21 | menotume | are we getting ex-ms people in linux now ? :) |
| 19:12.22 | spldart | i'm saying |
| 19:12.54 | blast007 | lol |
| 19:16.15 | menotume | Erroneous: are you here ? |
| 19:16.38 | menotume | got another bzfs bug |
| 19:16.49 | menotume | ctf mode - flags do not spawn on bases :) |
| 19:37.01 | *** join/#bzflag Guest990 (n=81f0680e@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 19:37.04 | *** part/#bzflag Guest990 (n=81f0680e@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 19:43.11 | *** join/#bzflag Quol1732 (n=QS@modemcable040.108-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 19:47.43 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (n=QuolSimo@modemcable040.108-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 19:58.09 | spldart | man. is there a utility in debian to easily find and mount drives? I only have HD master and CD master mounted.... floppy and HD slave are not |
| 19:59.59 | Erroneous | menotume: pong |
| 20:00.26 | orchid | spldart: the floppy you will mount as you need it, the slave drive you need to put an entry in /etc/fstab to have it always mounted |
| 20:01.02 | spldart | ah |
| 20:01.26 | spldart | I are teh wrong... found the floppy in fstab |
| 20:01.31 | spldart | but not hdd slave |
| 20:01.37 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (n=QuolSimo@modemcable040.108-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:02.35 | spldart | I have /dev/ hda1, hda5, hdc, hd0 |
| 20:03.59 | spldart | working on an entry now... |
| 20:04.14 | orchid | whats on the slave? fat32? ntfs? |
| 20:04.57 | spldart | I assumed the same thing as master since it was the built in netinst partitioner that created both drives |
| 20:05.03 | spldart | vfat or whatever |
| 20:05.35 | menotume | Erroneous: is there an offical list or person to report release-stopping buigs to ? |
| 20:05.53 | orchid | spldart: oh the linux partitoner made it? |
| 20:06.03 | spldart | yep |
| 20:06.24 | Erroneous | menotume: top section of the BUGS list should be blocking |
| 20:06.34 | orchid | it will be ext3 or ext2 most likely. try just mounting it |
| 20:06.35 | menotume | okies, thx |
| 20:06.41 | orchid | hey Quol :) |
| 20:06.43 | menotume | Quol? |
| 20:06.48 | menotume | who that ? |
| 20:06.57 | Birdie | quol! long time no see |
| 20:07.06 | Quol | hey guys - long time :) how are ya? |
| 20:07.53 | Quol | funny meno - always the wise guy :) |
| 20:07.59 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:08.05 | menotume | zup dude ? |
| 20:08.30 | spldart | hda1 ext3, hda5 swap, hdc iso 9660 hd0 auto |
| 20:08.35 | Quol | not much - just had a couple of minutes, and thought I would pop in and say hi |
| 20:09.41 | menotume | kewl, good to 'see' you :) |
| 20:09.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/BUGS: BUG report |
| 20:10.03 | menotume | Quol, for grins: http://pics.bzleague.com |
| 20:11.22 | Quol | hehe - that's cool |
| 20:12.36 | menotume | :) |
| 20:12.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/BUGS: being more specific :) |
| 20:13.44 | learner | ~lart menotume for not understanding how libtool works |
| 20:14.03 | menotume | learner: it's a PITA ! |
| 20:14.23 | menotume | i can't just copy bzfs to where i run it anymore |
| 20:14.25 | *** join/#bzflag YAKarsten (i=karsten@sourcemage/pdpc.sustaining.BearPerson) |
| 20:14.33 | Quol | orchid: nice toe ring in the pics.bzleague.com site... |
| 20:14.51 | menotume | learner: not your fault - i just hate it |
| 20:15.03 | learner | menotume, that's got nothing to do with libtool, that has to do with the new library |
| 20:15.10 | menotume | executable program made in .libs - eeesh |
| 20:15.43 | menotume | ok, so if i build, and want to run it in chroot for example |
| 20:15.49 | menotume | i need the lib too |
| 20:16.11 | learner | yeah, I believe so |
| 20:16.17 | menotume | and symlink, LD_LIBRARY_PATH if i'm not root, or don't want to install in normal path ? |
| 20:16.22 | learner | it should be linking static though.. in which case you wouldn't need it |
| 20:16.33 | menotume | it isn't |
| 20:16.43 | menotume | or lat least, it complains if it isn't here |
| 20:16.46 | learner | you shouldn't need to do all that |
| 20:16.58 | learner | if you don't want to install in normal path, you're supposed to tell configure that |
| 20:16.58 | menotume | i had to: copy lib...so.0.0.0 to my bin path |
| 20:17.11 | menotume | then, make a ...so.0 symlink to it |
| 20:17.12 | learner | --prefix |
| 20:17.23 | menotume | i don't use make install |
| 20:17.24 | learner | you're doing exactly what make install does |
| 20:17.34 | menotume | okies |
| 20:17.44 | learner | presuming you set the right prefix |
| 20:18.00 | *** join/#bzflag amathis (n=amathis@cpe-24-92-83-54.midsouth.res.rr.com) |
| 20:18.05 | menotume | i will never use make install. i want to know what is going on :) |
| 20:18.12 | menotume | plus, i don't want to be root |
| 20:18.23 | menotume | but, that's just me |
| 20:18.52 | menotume | ... then in startup script, set LD_LIBRARY_PATH :) |
| 20:19.04 | menotume | when i had --disable-plugins :) |
| 20:19.11 | learner | you don't have to be root to run make install |
| 20:19.21 | learner | you have to be root to put files in root-owned places |
| 20:19.35 | menotume | ahhh, ok, if the .so ins't installed in /usr/lib, right |
| 20:19.42 | menotume | right gotya |
| 20:19.47 | learner | how did you gather you needed to set ld_library_path |
| 20:19.58 | menotume | i've run into this mess before :) |
| 20:20.07 | learner | there's a big difference between running out of the libs dir and running it from where it's supposed to go |
| 20:20.28 | menotume | ? |
| 20:20.34 | menotume | where it's upposed tog o ? |
| 20:20.41 | spldart | fdisk see's hdb1 just fine |
| 20:20.47 | spldart | but it's not in fstab |
| 20:20.48 | menotume | supposed to be in .libs ? |
| 20:21.16 | learner | it's supposed to go where you configure it to go |
| 20:21.21 | menotume | arg |
| 20:21.25 | menotume | ok, nvm :) |
| 20:21.55 | learner | which would (erroneously) be /usr/local if you don't change the default |
| 20:22.16 | menotume | just doesn't mkae sense to me - i mean the lib is only for bzfs |
| 20:22.23 | orchid | spldart: put it in there: /dev/hdb1 /some-mount-point ext3(or whatever the fs is) defaults 0 2 |
| 20:22.24 | learner | the binary will have an rpath set (though again, it shouldn't be needing it) to avoid needing ld_lib stuff |
| 20:22.38 | menotume | so, why make it like it's a generl-utility ? |
| 20:23.33 | learner | what do you mean? |
| 20:23.43 | learner | it's needed so that the plugins can resolve their symbols |
| 20:23.48 | menotume | why is it a dynamic lib ? |
| 20:24.06 | menotume | k |
| 20:24.07 | learner | it's not, it's just listed as a lib |
| 20:24.14 | learner | which builds both static and dynamic by default |
| 20:24.17 | menotume | hmmm |
| 20:24.44 | menotume | ok, when i ran bzfs (the one in .libs) - it wouldn;t run - complained that it needed the so |
| 20:25.19 | menotume | so, it wasn't linked with the static, or somehow decided that it needed the so |
| 20:25.50 | learner | there are potentially two in .libs |
| 20:26.13 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.18 | learner | if you run bzfs without installing bzfs, it will recompile one with the proper rpath for uninstallation locations |
| 20:26.24 | learner | hence the lt-bzfs |
| 20:26.28 | menotume | omg |
| 20:26.29 | menotume | ok |
| 20:27.00 | learner | the other bzfs is the one that it will otherwise install and should be the one to use |
| 20:27.22 | learner | but(!) if you just use the bzfs wrapper, without moving, it will also "just work" |
| 20:27.32 | menotume | i swear we now have ex-ms people doing these utils |
| 20:27.35 | learner | the wrapper is not moveable |
| 20:27.54 | learner | actually, these tools were done by core gnu folks |
| 20:28.11 | menotume | we biuld a script that decides to re-compile at runtime to do this and that .... arg |
| 20:28.20 | menotume | just venting |
| 20:28.20 | learner | the problem is portability of build frameworks |
| 20:28.50 | learner | once you start actually using libraries, binaries are not half-hazardly relocatable in a cross-platform manner |
| 20:29.02 | learner | this holds for most OSs |
| 20:29.04 | menotume | i've used them plenty :( |
| 20:29.13 | menotume | and over-used them at my last job |
| 20:29.18 | menotume | EVERYTHING was a library |
| 20:29.20 | learner | yeah, but you installed the libs properly |
| 20:29.28 | learner | into a system rpath |
| 20:29.59 | menotume | it's just against my princliples to put libs into a system path that are only used for one application |
| 20:30.09 | learner | it can be made just as simple as before, probably just need a static flag on the plugin lib |
| 20:30.22 | menotume | or, any lib or libpath for that matter :) |
| 20:30.29 | menotume | ahh |
| 20:30.36 | learner | bzfs could have a static flag added as well, and there will be no lookup issues |
| 20:30.38 | menotume | okies, i'll shutup - i got it working |
| 20:30.44 | menotume | i'll let others vent :) |
| 20:30.58 | learner | set your prefix :P |
| 20:31.03 | menotume | nope |
| 20:31.17 | menotume | will not use make install :) |
| 20:31.18 | learner | make install isn't magical, you can see every exact step that it will perform in the makefile if you want |
| 20:31.25 | menotume | i know |
| 20:32.12 | menotume | who'd want to look at that mess though ? :) |
| 20:32.32 | learner | not too messy |
| 20:32.40 | learner | just a lot of make rules |
| 20:32.51 | menotume | i just like having several differnt version of bzfs in my 'chrootish' area |
| 20:33.04 | menotume | i was used to just cp bzfs <dest> |
| 20:33.17 | menotume | i'm just venting because it changed :) |
| 20:33.26 | learner | so long as it's linked static, you can still do that |
| 20:33.38 | menotume | well, how to link it static ? |
| 20:33.41 | learner | in fact it gets rid of the libtool wrapper script if it's set static |
| 20:33.45 | menotume | and, why link it dynamic ? |
| 20:34.12 | learner | no reason one way or the other |
| 20:34.17 | learner | the new lib was just recently added |
| 20:34.35 | learner | so that plugins would work (they had symbol issues of their own) |
| 20:34.46 | menotume | yes, i understand that |
| 20:34.58 | menotume | plugins make sense to dynamically link |
| 20:35.14 | menotume | so, what you are saying is .... |
| 20:35.27 | menotume | that you should have made it static, but don't want to admit to it ? |
| 20:35.28 | menotume | :D |
| 20:35.38 | learner | well, the plugins actually make calls too -- calls to functions in the bzfs dir (in that new lib) |
| 20:35.51 | menotume | ahh |
| 20:36.08 | learner | no, I don't mind admiting -- it could be made static or dynamic |
| 20:36.17 | menotume | was j/k :) |
| 20:36.28 | menotume | nonono |
| 20:36.35 | menotume | no advantage to dynamic |
| 20:36.41 | menotume | only disadvantages |
| 20:36.46 | menotume | complexities |
| 20:36.56 | menotume | :) |
| 20:37.18 | menotume | spldart asking 'where is my executable' :) |
| 20:37.20 | learner | actually, there are some forseeable benefits to dynamic, but I doubt we'd have the discipline to realize them |
| 20:37.29 | menotume | oh my |
| 20:37.48 | learner | like we could replace version of the plugin lib dynamically |
| 20:37.56 | learner | redistribute updates on the fly |
| 20:38.00 | menotume | well, i doubt that we'd have the foresight to plan everything correctly anyway |
| 20:38.09 | menotume | ie, api changing |
| 20:38.21 | _Manu_ | advantage for dynamic is sharing code, so saving memory (more than one program using the same lib) |
| 20:38.21 | learner | that's what I mean.. it takes quite a bit of effort to make that work |
| 20:38.24 | menotume | would probably never be compatible |
| 20:38.34 | learner | _Manu_, very true |
| 20:38.41 | menotume | _Manu_: yes, if more than one program uses it |
| 20:38.50 | menotume | it is bzfs-specific |
| 20:38.58 | _Manu_ | true, so I can's see it very usefull for one bzfs |
| 20:39.01 | learner | I've got 10 bzfs's running on .bz, that's 10 copies of all of bzflag's libs replicated |
| 20:39.41 | menotume | ok, got me there :) |
| 20:39.43 | learner | if I had to quick guess, there's 100M of memory |
| 20:39.53 | menotume | huh ? |
| 20:40.01 | menotume | bzfs is only 1 M :) |
| 20:40.03 | _Manu_ | Imagine if bzfs can manage multiple maps... ;) |
| 20:40.21 | menotume | the api lib is 10M ? |
| 20:40.39 | _Manu_ | mean all together.. |
| 20:40.55 | spldart | ok... I'm desperate to get my bzfs running |
| 20:41.08 | spldart | how do I mount my floppy? it's in fstab |
| 20:41.19 | menotume | mount /mnt/floppy ? |
| 20:42.13 | menotume | learner: i have the solution - make the entire bzfs a so |
| 20:42.30 | BearPerson | cuts CPU usage quite a bit |
| 20:42.35 | menotume | :) |
| 20:42.41 | learner | menotume, it's architecture dependant, but I'm seeing a resident size of about 4M stripped on one of my boxes, much larger unstripped (which is preferred for dumps) |
| 20:43.03 | learner | BearPerson, I have it |
| 20:43.12 | menotume | 4M for api lib ? |
| 20:43.14 | spldart | when I try to mount it sayscan't find /mnt/floppy in etc fstab or etc mstab |
| 20:43.23 | menotume | or the whole shooting-match ? |
| 20:43.23 | orchid | spldart: mount -a |
| 20:43.32 | learner | menotume, how's that a solution? you'd have the same relocation problems you've complained about :) |
| 20:43.37 | BearPerson | spldart, try mount /media/floppy |
| 20:43.44 | spldart | unknown filesystme type -a |
| 20:43.50 | menotume | well, if you're trying to reduce mem for multiple instances |
| 20:43.53 | spldart | i mean ext |
| 20:43.57 | menotume | i was kidding |
| 20:44.01 | learner | 4M for bzfs binary, which is primarily common/net/game |
| 20:44.02 | spldart | unknownw filesystem type ext' |
| 20:44.02 | Erroneous | bzfs is 7 to 29 mb resident on my servers, depending which one |
| 20:44.31 | menotume | ok, i just don't see 10M for the api stuff |
| 20:44.36 | orchid | spldart: pastebin your fstab |
| 20:44.37 | learner | Erroneous, rss includes the map, so need an empty world :) |
| 20:44.53 | Erroneous | learner: they've also been running for a while, and one is active |
| 20:44.53 | spldart | ah hah |
| 20:45.11 | spldart | give bearperson the golden twinkie |
| 20:45.14 | spldart | media floppy |
| 20:45.20 | spldart | :) |
| 20:45.34 | learner | menotume, I didn't mean just for the api stuff -- that plugin lib simply is the first to be added in a while and didn't bother setting -static on it |
| 20:45.56 | menotume | i was confused - 100m savings |
| 20:46.02 | menotume | doesn't matter |
| 20:46.14 | menotume | i'll let others chime in - i g2g for a bit anyway |
| 20:46.23 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:46.25 | menotume | thx for filling me in :) |
| 20:47.00 | learner | the comment was about dynamic libs in general about what's replicated, i've got 10 copies of bzfs running that take about 10M unstripped of library calls (not just plugin api) |
| 20:47.16 | learner | that's replication that "would" be saved by dynamic libs |
| 20:47.22 | learner | not that I think they should be |
| 20:47.30 | learner | static is more simple, faster |
| 20:47.37 | learner | less issues |
| 20:47.38 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 20:47.58 | menotume | gotya |
| 20:48.05 | menotume | less menos complaining :) |
| 20:48.22 | _Manu_ | menotume, still here? ;) |
| 20:48.32 | menotume | no - this is my answering machine |
| 20:48.32 | learner | both are implemented by default, that's why libtool builds static and dynamic |
| 20:48.51 | _Manu_ | oh, this is mine too |
| 20:48.51 | learner | if everything was dual-moded, there are configure options to enable/disable shared/static |
| 20:49.21 | menotume | ok, jsut defaults to dynamic ? |
| 20:49.26 | learner | right |
| 20:49.28 | menotume | i mean the ./libs/bzfs |
| 20:49.31 | menotume | okies |
| 20:49.42 | menotume | thx dude |
| 20:49.45 | learner | if you configure --disable-shared or somesuch, it would have only built static iirc |
| 20:50.05 | learner | still, the flag probably needs to go on bzfs |
| 20:50.09 | learner | and the new lib |
| 20:50.47 | menotume | i would default it to static if it were me |
| 20:50.57 | menotume | less problems/questions |
| 20:52.02 | learner | that's still no excuse for not using --prefix and make install ;) |
| 20:52.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Makefile.am: build the plugin lib and bzfs static |
| 20:53.17 | learner | i'm not sure how that will play along with the plugins on os x or linux, haven't tested |
| 20:53.34 | ToughShooter | Hmm, how to build the thing in /bzflag/plugins/python/ ? |
| 20:53.35 | Quol | well - I am off for now - see you all later... |
| 20:53.45 | learner | see you Quol! |
| 20:53.52 | learner | don't be so distant :) |
| 20:54.00 | ToughShooter | I mean which rule, I can't get it trying to compile |
| 20:54.14 | learner | ToughShooter, which platform? |
| 20:54.48 | ToughShooter | Mac Platform (yes, I tried uncommenting the stuff) |
| 20:55.49 | learner | you tried? |
| 20:55.51 | learner | and failed? :) |
| 20:56.29 | learner | you had to also uncomment the lib_ line and comment out the EXTRA_ line |
| 20:57.58 | menotume | ok, where are all those other people who said "they never use make install" now, when i need them? :) |
| 20:58.41 | learner | suure |
| 20:59.17 | _Manu_ | for what? :) |
| 21:00.28 | learner | it's not really a problem to not use make install, just means you're accepting responsibility to understand and mimic what make install does.. |
| 21:00.47 | _Manu_ | I usually don't use make install for bzflag |
| 21:01.13 | learner | and regardless, if you're putting bzfs in /some/place/over/there, you're supposed to use --prefix or it's technically wrong even if it used to work |
| 21:01.16 | Erroneous | I always use make install :) |
| 21:01.33 | learner | unless you're fine with /usr/local of course |
| 21:02.34 | menotume | munble grumble :) |
| 21:02.39 | Erroneous | fun fun fun |
| 21:02.42 | menotume | lol |
| 21:02.55 | menotume | nwhy not ./ |
| 21:02.58 | learner | wonder how many would notice |
| 21:03.07 | menotume | i mean, it's ONLY for bzfs |
| 21:03.15 | menotume | it's not s syem lib |
| 21:03.32 | menotume | oops, i forgot- i'm not here |
| 21:03.36 | menotume | byyyye :) |
| 21:03.51 | spldart | bzfs error while loading shared libraries |
| 21:03.58 | menotume | lol |
| 21:04.03 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 21:04.08 | learner | if bzfs had resources (which it probably will someday), performing a make install is going to probably eventually be inevitable |
| 21:04.27 | Erroneous | even on solaris (where I'm not root) I just set prefix to ~/apps |
| 21:04.50 | Erroneous | need to build libcurl and ares and sdl and everything into somewhere also |
| 21:04.53 | menotume | spldart: re .configure, setting your prefix, then build and do make install ( i think) |
| 21:05.00 | _Manu_ | I do locally prefix ~/local |
| 21:05.07 | spldart | libBZFSplugin.so.0: can not open shared object file: no such file or direcotry |
| 21:05.12 | Erroneous | and libtool and autoconf and automake too actually |
| 21:05.13 | _Manu_ | or ~/usr |
| 21:05.41 | menotume | Erroneous: how often do you build those system-type shared pieces of code? :) |
| 21:05.41 | learner | or ~ |
| 21:05.54 | Erroneous | menotume: on solaris? every time I build bz |
| 21:06.08 | spldart | would my pulling the stripped bzfs out of the .lib directory and putting it in my user home with the rest of the setup files have caused that? |
| 21:06.13 | _Manu_ | learner, yes but using some directory.. it's better :) |
| 21:06.21 | learner | spldart, yes it would have |
| 21:06.24 | Erroneous | building all that exceeds my quota, so I wipe it all when I'm done |
| 21:06.33 | menotume | oh my |
| 21:06.35 | spldart | so back in it goes :( |
| 21:06.55 | spldart | I'd hate to have to keep all this bulk after compiling :( |
| 21:06.58 | learner | spldart, the recent commit will probably help avoid that, but you should be using --prefix regardless |
| 21:07.08 | ToughShooter | learner: tnx, I didn't know that enable means allowing to build |
| 21:07.45 | learner | ToughShooter, you could have built via 'make PyBZFlag.la' |
| 21:08.07 | spldart | what is -prefix |
| 21:08.08 | learner | not sure if that would have given you the .so or just the .a though |
| 21:08.14 | menotume | nono, support the boycott on -prefix :p |
| 21:08.21 | learner | spldart, option to configure telling it where you intend to install it |
| 21:08.25 | menotume | i'm just hafin fun with this now :) |
| 21:08.29 | Erroneous | ~lart menotume |
| 21:08.30 | ToughShooter | I tried make PyBZFlag.la and that didn't worked previously |
| 21:08.30 | spldart | ah |
| 21:08.35 | spldart | ic |
| 21:08.47 | Erroneous | and it's actually --prefix |
| 21:09.28 | learner | spldart, get the latest changes to src/bzfs/Makefile.am and the problem should go away |
| 21:09.45 | menotume | there should be a .... "execdir/pathto so" option |
| 21:09.56 | menotume | so, you could just say "./" |
| 21:10.07 | menotume | put the api so where bzfs is, and your done |
| 21:10.13 | learner | what does ./ mean? |
| 21:10.28 | _Manu_ | . |
| 21:10.30 | menotume | tell ld to look in the bzfs path for the so |
| 21:10.32 | learner | the current dir when it was built? the current dir when you configured? where yout typed make? |
| 21:10.43 | menotume | the exec dir ! |
| 21:10.55 | Erroneous | learner: "execdir/./" is pretty obvious |
| 21:10.55 | learner | seems rather arbitrary :) |
| 21:11.04 | menotume | ugh |
| 21:11.08 | Erroneous | he said specificially "execdir/pathto so" |
| 21:11.33 | learner | which I still don't think I understand |
| 21:11.45 | menotume | that's cuase it's too simple :) |
| 21:11.47 | ToughShooter | Funny that it still doesn't find Python.h |
| 21:12.18 | learner | ToughShooter, you uncommented "PyBZFlag_la_CPPFLAGS = -I/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Headers" yes? |
| 21:12.18 | menotume | i'm having a nic-fit - must go get coffin-nails - l8rs |
| 21:12.41 | ToughShooter | learner: yes |
| 21:12.43 | learner | is it on the compile line? |
| 21:14.10 | ToughShooter | Not that I see http://pastebin.com/360965 |
| 21:14.25 | spldart | well crap |
| 21:14.37 | spldart | bzfs wont even run in the .lib directory |
| 21:14.40 | spldart | same error |
| 21:15.24 | spldart | maybe I shouldn't have stripped bzfs |
| 21:16.31 | spldart | is it possible for someone to send me a fairly recently compiled bzfs in a pm on bzbb and me to use it on my new rig |
| 21:16.40 | learner | don't strip bzfs |
| 21:16.46 | spldart | to late |
| 21:16.49 | learner | without that recent commit |
| 21:17.07 | spldart | I may have to recompile everything |
| 21:17.09 | learner | it's not too late, just delete it and compile again |
| 21:17.27 | learner | you never have to recompile everything unless you just don't know what you're doing :) |
| 21:17.50 | learner | cd src/bzfs && make clean at worst |
| 21:19.47 | spldart | ok... what do I do... I'm root at prompt |
| 21:20.08 | learner | eek, root? why root? |
| 21:20.13 | learner | did you compile as root? |
| 21:20.22 | spldart | I was doing some other stuff I needed root for.... |
| 21:20.27 | spldart | lemme change to user |
| 21:20.48 | spldart | ok.. user @ prompt |
| 21:20.51 | learner | did you compile as root? |
| 21:20.51 | spldart | $ |
| 21:20.56 | spldart | don't think so |
| 21:21.00 | learner | heh |
| 21:21.08 | learner | well you'll find out soon enough |
| 21:21.20 | spldart | jeff and orchid talked me through it last night |
| 21:21.22 | spldart | originally |
| 21:21.34 | learner | those two are pretty shady |
| 21:21.35 | spldart | i believe they said no root on compile |
| 21:21.50 | learner | you sure you want to trust them? :) |
| 21:21.54 | spldart | yep |
| 21:21.56 | spldart | :) |
| 21:21.58 | spldart | :p |
| 21:22.14 | learner | what is it that you're trying to do? |
| 21:22.27 | spldart | fix my bzfs problem |
| 21:22.40 | spldart | can I just compile the bzfs again? |
| 21:23.02 | spldart | when I stripped it made the 8 or 10 meg bzfs into a 1003 k bzfs |
| 21:23.13 | learner | cd src/bzfs |
| 21:23.15 | learner | rm bzfs |
| 21:23.16 | learner | make |
| 21:25.26 | spldart | ok... making |
| 21:26.17 | spldart | do I now use bzfs in the directory it's made in? |
| 21:26.45 | learner | try typing ./bzfs -d -d -d |
| 21:26.49 | *** join/#bzflag Barcode (n=Barcode@66.93.252.115) |
| 21:27.03 | spldart | btw bzfs is 18 meg |
| 21:29.48 | spldart | it looks like it tried to start and failed |
| 21:30.16 | learner | how did it fail? |
| 21:30.36 | learner | i settled on a big new 1200VA UPS |
| 21:30.39 | spldart | unable to start server. perhaps one is already running |
| 21:30.50 | learner | ahh, so it worked |
| 21:31.16 | learner | now try copying what's in .libs and load a plugin |
| 21:31.59 | menotume | learner: did you understand my comment about so path .... execdir ? |
| 21:32.20 | spldart | copying what's in .libs? |
| 21:32.23 | menotume | i jut like to have everything in one dir - is a lot cleaner |
| 21:32.32 | spldart | plugin? |
| 21:32.40 | spldart | I have a conf and a map ready to go |
| 21:32.46 | spldart | wasn't going to use a plugin |
| 21:32.50 | spldart | not yet anyway |
| 21:33.09 | menotume | spldart: sounds like you are running |
| 21:33.15 | learner | menotume: configure LDFLAGS="-rpath=." |
| 21:33.27 | spldart | hrm |
| 21:33.37 | menotume | is that relative to my working dir, or the main exec dir ? |
| 21:33.40 | learner | spldart ok |
| 21:33.47 | spldart | anywho.... I need to leave bzfs in the .leb diretory correct? |
| 21:34.02 | spldart | .lib directory |
| 21:34.17 | learner | menotume, the rpath is like PATH, you add . to it and it'll search current dir on exec |
| 21:34.44 | menotume | ok, so relative to exec dir |
| 21:34.46 | menotume | thx |
| 21:34.57 | spldart | If I remember correctly my old debian server was originally set up with the apt get version of bzflag and I then later compiled to get a newer version of bzfs. I then moved that bzfs to the same directory the old one was and it worked fine |
| 21:35.07 | learner | still don't know who's exec dir .. yours or the binary |
| 21:35.16 | learner | probably cwd |
| 21:35.23 | menotume | the binary (exec) ! not working dir |
| 21:35.29 | menotume | ug, well that sux |
| 21:35.37 | learner | don't know, you'd just have to try |
| 21:35.50 | menotume | if relative to exec - there would be no probs - just install the libs in same place as bzfs |
| 21:36.01 | menotume | okies |
| 21:36.31 | menotume | any1 who likes to keep their system somewhat organized would probably prefer that to having libs in diff dirs |
| 21:36.52 | menotume | only speaking of libs specific to the app, of course' |
| 21:37.55 | spldart | the .lib with bzfs would be the only thing I would have to keep on my machine then correct? since I play the clients and admin's on other machines |
| 21:38.11 | spldart | all the other stuff is overhead |
| 21:38.14 | learner | spldart, not exactly |
| 21:38.21 | spldart | rodents :( |
| 21:38.24 | learner | what was your configure line? |
| 21:38.34 | spldart | :( can't recall |
| 21:38.41 | learner | more config.log |
| 21:38.47 | spldart | one moment |
| 21:38.48 | learner | says it at the top |
| 21:41.12 | *** join/#bzflag Guest462 (n=81f0680e@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 21:44.49 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar) |
| 21:53.45 | spldart | ok... :( where is the config log? |
| 21:53.55 | *** part/#bzflag Barcode (n=Barcode@66.93.252.115) |
| 21:54.47 | spldart | ok... |
| 21:55.00 | spldart | top is $ ./configure |
| 21:55.02 | spldart | so user |
| 21:55.03 | spldart | not root |
| 21:57.48 | learner | so have you installed? |
| 21:58.07 | learner | if you install, it'll go to /usr/local/bin/bzfs |
| 22:04.46 | spldart | Ok... I have not installed |
| 22:04.54 | spldart | I didn't know I woujld need to |
| 22:05.12 | menotume | huh? you should always 'make install' :) |
| 22:05.36 | spldart | hrm |
| 22:06.08 | spldart | I think I'll quit.... I'm not making headway at this time :( |
| 22:06.20 | spldart | maybe try again next weekend |
| 22:06.21 | menotume | spldart: it's easy |
| 22:06.26 | menotume | 'make install' |
| 22:06.36 | menotume | you may need to be root when you do that |
| 22:08.07 | spldart | yeah... but I'm not sure what directory you make install in, wether I did it or not last night and what login |
| 22:08.27 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 22:08.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 22:08.38 | menotume | hey 3-time Daddy-o |
| 22:08.40 | menotume | ! |
| 22:12.21 | spldart | what does make install do? |
| 22:12.26 | learner | spldart, run 'make install' as root from the top-level (the dir that has configure) |
| 22:12.42 | spldart | then what? |
| 22:12.48 | learner | then it'll be installed |
| 22:13.10 | spldart | does that mean I look elswhere for the bzfs I would run? |
| 22:13.28 | menotume | it will probably be in your path |
| 22:13.30 | spldart | or do I use the one in the .lib directory? |
| 22:13.32 | learner | you'd run bzfs from /usr/local/bin/bzfs |
| 22:13.40 | spldart | now that sounds familiar |
| 22:13.43 | spldart | well crap |
| 22:13.51 | spldart | I had installed with apt-get last time |
| 22:13.53 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@68.50.155.230) |
| 22:13.54 | learner | once you do make install, if it succeeds, you can technically delete your entire source tree |
| 22:14.18 | spldart | then overwrote the new bzfs once I had compiled in the original install |
| 22:14.20 | spldart | last time |
| 22:14.48 | spldart | no wonder... I'm doing the complete install from the compile this time instead of apt get |
| 22:14.53 | learner | huh? |
| 22:17.13 | spldart | deceased: server: debian netinst, apt get gnome,apache,samba,bz2.0... later compile new bz but copied bzfs from compile to direcotry /usr/local/bin |
| 22:18.10 | spldart | new server: debian netinst, apt-get x-window,rox,apache,samba,compile new bz but has never installed one from apt-get |
| 22:18.34 | spldart | i are teh stupid |
| 22:18.59 | *** join/#bzflag livio (n=43671eb4@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:40.21 | spldart | how do you change permissions to all read/write in console? |
| 22:40.56 | spldart | I know chmod but how |
| 22:42.35 | brlcad | depends if it's a dir, a file, an executable |
| 22:42.55 | spldart | file |
| 22:43.09 | spldart | chmod go+rw |
| 22:43.12 | spldart | ? |
| 22:45.46 | brlcad | chmod 644 |
| 22:49.56 | spldart | god I'm so close to getting my server running :( |
| 22:54.57 | *** join/#bzflag ChipX86 (n=chipx86@galago/ChipX86) |
| 23:14.42 | spldart | still no worky :( |
| 23:15.37 | spldart | It starts and eventually ouputs the message File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Operation timed out with a 0 out of -1 bytes recieved |
| 23:24.55 | *** join/#bzflag awelux__ (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-134-080.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:35.21 | spldart | Done. I give up. Even when I just apt-get the old bzflag stuff I get the same error... just less detail is output from the error from libcurl |
| 23:35.32 | spldart | talk at you guys later. thanks for the help all |
| 23:42.29 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (n=nadic666@toronto-HSE-ppp4262573.sympatico.ca) |
| 23:44.43 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (n=triclops@203-206-249-42.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:46.25 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
