| 00:03.37 | *** join/#bzflag _Captain_Kirk_ (i=supertan@o1-dialup-66-81-136-73.rev.o1.com) |
| 00:03.52 | _Captain_Kirk_ | im back |
| 00:06.53 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 00:07.09 | _Captain_Kirk_ | what? |
| 00:08.18 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, dict amazing. |
| 00:08.20 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Amazing \A*maz"ing\, a. Causing amazement; very wonderful; as, amazing grace. -- {A*maz"ing*ly}, adv. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 23 Moby Thesaurus words for "amazing": astonishing, astounding, awesome, breathtaking, confounding, dazzling, extraordinary, eye-opening, fabulous, mind-boggling, miraculous, overwhelming, prodigious, (5 more messages) |
| 00:09.07 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Looks like you got a real fan, or someone who wants to stay out of trouble by kissing yout (bleep) |
| 00:09.21 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 00:09.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a bot |
| 00:09.35 | _Captain_Kirk_ | oh |
| 00:09.42 | _Captain_Kirk_ | lol |
| 00:09.52 | DTRemenak | TheLastSpartan rocks |
| 00:09.52 | TheLastSpartan | yes I do |
| 00:10.06 | _Captain_Kirk_ | hi DT |
| 00:10.11 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Remember dana? |
| 00:10.13 | DTRemenak | hello |
| 00:10.15 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:11.28 | JeffM2501 | Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk, |
| 00:11.28 | JeffM2501 | I'm a woman's man: no time to talk. |
| 00:11.40 | _Captain_Kirk_ | ??? |
| 00:11.41 | JeffM2501 | Music loud and women warm, I've been kicked around |
| 00:11.41 | JeffM2501 | since I was born. |
| 00:11.50 | wegstar | ;) |
| 00:11.50 | JeffM2501 | And now it's all right. It's OK. |
| 00:11.50 | JeffM2501 | And you may look the other way. |
| 00:11.52 | _Captain_Kirk_ | ???????? |
| 00:12.01 | JeffM2501 | We can try to understand |
| 00:12.01 | JeffM2501 | the New York Times' effect on man. |
| 00:12.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501 spontaneously bursts into song. get used to it, but please (please) do not emulate it :) |
| 00:12.15 | _Captain_Kirk_ | too bad I don't have the rolleye's smiley |
| 00:12.27 | JeffM2501 | Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother, |
| 00:12.27 | JeffM2501 | you're stayin' alive, stayin' alive. |
| 00:12.28 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Don't worry, my mother does that. All day. |
| 00:12.48 | _Captain_Kirk_ | where's the ignorelist? Just kidding. |
| 00:13.33 | jomojo | okay in the past shortban times didn't have to be specified |
| 00:13.42 | jomojo | but after cvs update a week ago they do |
| 00:13.52 | jomojo | was this a mistake or intentional? |
| 00:13.52 | _Captain_Kirk_ | in Bzflag? |
| 00:13.53 | JeffM2501 | it should use the poll time, unles somone change it |
| 00:14.05 | JeffM2501 | burn baby burn..... |
| 00:14.10 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Darn I got to get this download finished so I can get the beta |
| 00:14.29 | jomojo | JeffM2501 it uses poll time for max time in shortban |
| 00:14.29 | _Captain_Kirk_ | excuse me, these /two/, 50 meg total-on-dialup downloads |
| 00:14.40 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, remember what I said before |
| 00:14.44 | JeffM2501 | you will not impress us |
| 00:14.53 | JeffM2501 | we don't really care that your net is that slow |
| 00:15.12 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, do you maybe not have polls enabled? or do you ALLWAYS have to specify it now? |
| 00:15.21 | JeffM2501 | with the shortban command? |
| 00:15.26 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I know. its takes so Looooooooooooooooooooooooong to download, and im board |
| 00:15.29 | _Captain_Kirk_ | bored |
| 00:15.31 | jomojo | you always have to specify now |
| 00:15.33 | JeffM2501 | since I'd think that would be pointless |
| 00:15.42 | JeffM2501 | what makes it dif from the ban command |
| 00:16.00 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Probably nothing. |
| 00:16.03 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, your boredom dosnt' give you right to babble to us, we don't need to know trivial crap about your system. |
| 00:16.24 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, when did you notice it changed? |
| 00:16.25 | jomojo | for those with shortban privs and not ban they have a max setting |
| 00:16.27 | JeffM2501 | I can check history |
| 00:16.29 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Trivial crap like the fact i'm about to throw my laptop thru the window? |
| 00:16.35 | jomojo | last weeks cvs update |
| 00:16.49 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I should get a cvs thing too |
| 00:16.52 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, seriously, we are trying to discuss a problem, please stop with the crap |
| 00:16.53 | jomojo | oh wait let me check something |
| 00:17.02 | jomojo | before i have you hunt down |
| 00:17.12 | jomojo | what is going on |
| 00:17.20 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:17.21 | jomojo | i should double check conf and groupperms |
| 00:17.22 | JeffM2501 | let me know |
| 00:17.23 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:17.27 | jomojo | one minute |
| 00:17.31 | JeffM2501 | no problem |
| 00:20.41 | jomojo | JeffM2501: just checked conf and all looks right |
| 00:20.47 | jomojo | unless i am missing something |
| 00:21.25 | JeffM2501 | know about when it changed? |
| 00:21.46 | jomojo | silverfox updated cvs last week |
| 00:21.57 | jomojo | i am guessing that was when |
| 00:21.58 | jomojo | but |
| 00:22.07 | jomojo | i was just made aware of it right now |
| 00:22.21 | jomojo | when a cop told me he couldn't get the ban to work the way i taught him |
| 00:22.29 | jomojo | my cops are fairly new to admin privs |
| 00:22.35 | jomojo | hence they only have shortbans |
| 00:22.55 | JeffM2501 | ok let me check the history on commands.cxx |
| 00:22.56 | jomojo | so only a few of them would know that things were not working right |
| 00:24.22 | jomojo | i mean the admins and owners have always had to specify because they don't use short ban |
| 00:24.37 | JeffM2501 | the point of shortban is so that you DON'T specify a time |
| 00:24.42 | jomojo | right |
| 00:24.46 | JeffM2501 | so you can give out fixed ban perms to lower admins |
| 00:24.56 | jomojo | that was my understanding |
| 00:25.00 | JeffM2501 | mine as well |
| 00:25.08 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing it got 'tuped |
| 00:25.10 | JeffM2501 | checking now |
| 00:25.17 | DTRemenak | and here I thought the point was to set an upper limit |
| 00:25.31 | JeffM2501 | is it? |
| 00:25.32 | jomojo | well as i understood |
| 00:25.36 | jomojo | it was both |
| 00:25.49 | jomojo | automatic bantime for shortbans, but you could always go less |
| 00:25.50 | JeffM2501 | so with out a paramater it's the limit |
| 00:25.53 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:25.55 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:25.56 | JeffM2501 | that makes sense |
| 00:25.58 | DTRemenak | that would be cool |
| 00:26.02 | JeffM2501 | so the paramater is optional |
| 00:26.03 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:26.05 | jomojo | that was how it was |
| 00:26.06 | JeffM2501 | let me check it |
| 00:26.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:26.17 | JeffM2501 | I'll make it work that way again, as it is logical |
| 00:26.32 | DTRemenak | having a fixed time seemed kinda silly, banning someone for 4 hours 'cause you don't have permission to ban them for 10 minutes :) |
| 00:26.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 00:26.57 | JeffM2501 | but it can also be easy to just say do a shortban to get em out fast |
| 00:27.03 | JeffM2501 | I can see logic to both uses |
| 00:27.11 | JeffM2501 | and it should be trivial to make the command work for both |
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| 00:27.20 | DTRemenak | imho a ban should require a bit of thought, but who am I to say :) |
| 00:27.27 | Gnurdux | flags atcually do spawn on the bottom, when i reset them |
| 00:27.34 | Gnurdux | i htink i know the problem... |
| 00:27.48 | Gnurdux | they arent spawning on death |
| 00:27.54 | Gnurdux | they are spawning on ground! |
| 00:27.55 | jomojo | well we have a set of rules of when to ban and how many warnings required |
| 00:28.11 | *** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@69.251.224.96) |
| 00:28.25 | JeffM2501 | umm I don't even see the shortban command anymore |
| 00:28.30 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:29.00 | jomojo | there was never a /shortban command |
| 00:29.01 | JeffM2501 | the only place shortban seems to be is in the perms |
| 00:29.04 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:29.13 | JeffM2501 | so it's the ban command, and if you had short perms, you had a limit |
| 00:29.15 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 00:29.23 | jomojo | it was just a perm they used the ban command |
| 00:29.25 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:29.27 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 00:29.37 | jomojo | yeah and bans were automatic to that time unless a time was specified |
| 00:29.45 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:30.17 | DTRemenak | hm, I do recall that changing a couple weeks ago. one of my admins complained about needing to put the duration in explicity. |
| 00:30.25 | DTRemenak | I told him he should have been doing it anyway :P |
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| 00:31.14 | JeffM2501 | well if it was removed it sould have been done for a reason |
| 00:31.19 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to find the commit where it changed |
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| 00:31.26 | jomojo | lol |
| 00:31.42 | jomojo | look for oops i deleted something and i am not sure what.. :P |
| 00:32.00 | JeffM2501 | it's happend |
| 00:32.01 | DTRemenak | iirc before it treated the first word of the reason as the duration if you didn't specify one (thus cropping your reason), or something that was obviously malcoded like that. |
| 00:32.02 | JeffM2501 | before |
| 00:32.21 | JeffM2501 | now I can't even find the ban command |
| 00:32.31 | DTRemenak | try BanCommands.cxx ;) |
| 00:32.47 | JeffM2501 | there is a file for it now? |
| 00:32.50 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 00:32.55 | DTRemenak | is it not in the windows build? |
| 00:32.58 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:33.03 | DTRemenak | 'cause that would kinda, um, suck :) |
| 00:33.03 | JeffM2501 | when was that added? |
| 00:33.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:33.07 | DTRemenak | weeks ago |
| 00:33.24 | JeffM2501 | umm |
| 00:33.26 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 00:33.38 | JeffM2501 | that would be why it didn't show in my search :) |
| 00:33.40 | DTRemenak | oh, 11 days |
| 00:33.45 | DTRemenak | http://cvs.sf.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx?rev=2.3&view=log |
| 00:34.06 | DTRemenak | heh, does that mean b16 is totally without the ability to kick or ban anyone? |
| 00:34.10 | JeffM2501 | umm how did 16 build? |
| 00:34.29 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 00:34.48 | DTRemenak | header file contains the class definition |
| 00:34.58 | DTRemenak | they're all derived classes |
| 00:34.58 | jomojo | well i have to say my cops are not very knowledgeable.. they are good and honest people, but the simpler it is for them to do things the better |
| 00:35.06 | DTRemenak | so it'll just crash hard if you try to run one |
| 00:35.12 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 00:35.30 | DTRemenak | unless he has an "unimplemented command" default set of functions |
| 00:35.33 | DTRemenak | which is likely |
| 00:35.41 | durt | hey guys - im having a problem with the 2.0.3 cvs (linux) - whenever i play, the screen appears jerky, as thought the FPS were maybe 5 or so, but the screen says it is much higher (60). this is exactly the same no matter what display settings i use. any ideas? |
| 00:35.42 | DTRemenak | since that seems to be a Smart Thing to do |
| 00:35.50 | DTRemenak | yeah no kidding :) |
| 00:36.28 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzfs.vcproj: |
| 00:36.28 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: add the ban stuff, umm because umm. well.. it's... like.. here |
| 00:36.28 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: DAMN! |
| 00:36.28 | JeffM2501 | there is an event for an unhandled / command |
| 00:36.30 | JeffM2501 | for plugins |
| 00:36.54 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:37.06 | DTRemenak | so that's what you'd get if you tried to ban someone with b16 :) |
| 00:37.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:37.30 | JeffM2501 | if the event isn't handled it throws an error |
| 00:37.43 | DTRemenak | like throw() throws? |
| 00:37.56 | brad2901 | does that fix other commands aswell? /mute ? |
| 00:38.00 | *** part/#bzflag ep (n=ep@ip68-97-122-98.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 00:38.13 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, are you on windows? |
| 00:38.17 | brad2901 | yup |
| 00:38.20 | JeffM2501 | then maybe |
| 00:38.24 | brad2901 | great |
| 00:38.40 | JeffM2501 | kill, ban, hostban, mute, etc... |
| 00:38.40 | brad2901 | not being able to kick/ban/kill/mute kinda sucks :) |
| 00:38.46 | JeffM2501 | use b15 |
| 00:38.51 | DTRemenak | kick, kill, ban, hostban, unban, hostunban, mute, unmute, masterban |
| 00:38.52 | brad2901 | that also sucks |
| 00:38.54 | brad2901 | same prob |
| 00:39.00 | brad2901 | I reported it on here |
| 00:39.01 | DTRemenak | I can't BELIEVE nobody mentioned it |
| 00:39.05 | brad2901 | I DID |
| 00:39.07 | JeffM2501 | a couple people did |
| 00:39.14 | JeffM2501 | your problem was that it got tuponed |
| 00:39.16 | wegstar | :) |
| 00:39.16 | DTRemenak | not on the b16 thread |
| 00:39.33 | brad2901 | I thought reporting on IRC would be good enough |
| 00:39.42 | DTRemenak | do you think I actually read half the crap that gets said here? :) |
| 00:39.50 | wegstar | ;) |
| 00:39.54 | blast007 | durt: it's staying at 60FPS probably because your vsync is limiting it to your refresh rate |
| 00:39.56 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, this is not the bug form |
| 00:40.00 | brad2901 | :( |
| 00:40.30 | DTRemenak | I also only have set 400 lines of backlog, and I sleep during one of the most active periods so I don't ever see a lot of the stuff that gets said |
| 00:40.44 | JeffM2501 | ok so format for the ban command /ban "THE_DUDE" some_time some description with spaces ? |
| 00:40.55 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:40.56 | JeffM2501 | is that correct? |
| 00:40.58 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 00:41.10 | durt | well my GL screensavers are going slow too, and my swap space its loaded for some reason - so ill just reboot |
| 00:41.18 | jomojo | uhm no |
| 00:41.26 | JeffM2501 | guess I could get the first param, atoi it, and see if it's 0, if it is, use the shortban time |
| 00:41.30 | brad2901 | "THE_DUDE" can also be a slot number? |
| 00:41.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:41.38 | brad2901 | k |
| 00:41.41 | JeffM2501 | what is the format jomojo? |
| 00:41.50 | jomojo | JeffM2501 it has to be slot numbers for banning i believe or an ip |
| 00:42.03 | jomojo | callsigns can only be used for kick kills and mutes |
| 00:42.09 | JeffM2501 | you can do slot or name |
| 00:42.13 | jomojo | ah |
| 00:42.15 | DTRemenak | you can ban by callsign |
| 00:42.19 | JeffM2501 | or by IP |
| 00:42.25 | DTRemenak | but you get a single ip ban not a range |
| 00:42.25 | JeffM2501 | if it's # it's a slot |
| 00:42.33 | JeffM2501 | if its a word with no spaces it's a callsign |
| 00:42.36 | DTRemenak | which is pretty much useless for most of the losers |
| 00:42.38 | JeffM2501 | if it's in "" it's a callsign |
| 00:42.53 | jomojo | guess that was how it used to be |
| 00:43.19 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:43.19 | jomojo | some of my slot number usage info is a little outdated from when it was first developed |
| 00:43.55 | JeffM2501 | man is this overly complex code |
| 00:44.17 | DTRemenak | heh, one of my hacks in highschool was to ban by windows login. tied it in to active directory to check who was logged onto the computer. talk about ugly code. |
| 00:44.31 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it uses regex to get the ban time |
| 00:44.38 | jomojo | wait where you saying 0 is short ban time.. because that is lifetime ban code actually |
| 00:44.47 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 00:44.50 | jomojo | or time |
| 00:44.51 | DTRemenak | 0 is "as long as I can" iirc |
| 00:44.58 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:45.01 | JeffM2501 | this may be "fun" |
| 00:45.02 | DTRemenak | which is "forever" if unlimited, and "maximum" for shortban |
| 00:45.56 | jomojo | say i wanted to ban slot 5 for life i would type /ban #5 0 "someguysname" reason |
| 00:46.12 | brad2901 | no |
| 00:46.14 | JeffM2501 | no just /ban #5 0 reason |
| 00:46.18 | jomojo | right |
| 00:46.20 | jomojo | sorry |
| 00:46.23 | JeffM2501 | once you have slot we don't need name |
| 00:46.28 | DTRemenak | if you want to put the callsign in the reason then that would work |
| 00:46.36 | DTRemenak | which I always make a point to do |
| 00:46.42 | jomojo | i ask my admins to do that so i know the callsign banned |
| 00:46.49 | DTRemenak | yeah, same here |
| 00:47.00 | DTRemenak | loggrepping is not a productive use of time |
| 00:47.09 | jomojo | if there was a way to automatically have the callsign attached to ban that would be nice |
| 00:47.20 | DTRemenak | actually yes it would |
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| 00:48.58 | durt | fixed it - wow the graphics are an impressive step up from 2.0.2 |
| 00:49.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah tupone specificly removed it |
| 00:49.42 | JeffM2501 | when he changed the durration stuff |
| 00:49.59 | JeffM2501 | 8/5/05 at 7:57 AM |
| 00:51.28 | JeffM2501 | I may be able to fix it but it's gonna be fugly |
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| 00:57.01 | JeffM2501 | ok I think i can fix it, and it IS Fugly ;) |
| 00:58.19 | JeffM2501 | now if you don't specify a ban time, it uses the shortban time, for both shortban users and regular ban users. and it still clamps to the shortban time for shortban users. |
| 01:00.10 | JeffM2501 | gotta find a way to test it |
| 01:00.59 | jomojo | hmmm |
| 01:01.18 | jomojo | JeffM2501 can shortban users still go less than the shortban time set? |
| 01:01.42 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:01.45 | JeffM2501 | that is still there |
| 01:01.54 | JeffM2501 | if a durration is specified, it acts as normal |
| 01:02.02 | jomojo | great |
| 01:02.09 | jomojo | well i wish i could build it |
| 01:02.10 | JeffM2501 | basicly I'm making the error that happens now, non fatal |
| 01:02.22 | JeffM2501 | and then I default the ban time to shortban |
| 01:02.31 | JeffM2501 | it will send back |
| 01:02.32 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.33 | jomojo | but i cannot upload it to the silvercat servers |
| 01:02.36 | JeffM2501 | when you don't put a time in |
| 01:03.22 | jomojo | only silverfox can do that.. Something about security and his server that prevents me from doing that |
| 01:03.35 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 01:03.45 | jomojo | me too |
| 01:03.46 | JeffM2501 | once I check it in, just have him update CVS once it goes to anon |
| 01:04.05 | jomojo | i will thanks jeff |
| 01:04.11 | JeffM2501 | I still have to test it |
| 01:04.16 | jomojo | right |
| 01:04.17 | JeffM2501 | but I'll commit it before I go home |
| 01:04.27 | jomojo | let me know how it goes |
| 01:05.16 | JeffM2501 | how does one list the bans? |
| 01:06.39 | jomojo | I am sorry jeff I don't understand |
| 01:06.46 | jomojo | what you are asking |
| 01:06.56 | JeffM2501 | how do I list all the current bans on a server? |
| 01:07.04 | jomojo | oh /banlist |
| 01:08.07 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 01:08.12 | jomojo | np |
| 01:09.32 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: something went wrong when you updated controlpanel.cxx ... it has lines in it like "<<<<<<< ControlPanel.cxx" and "=======" |
| 01:10.19 | jomojo | poor JeffM2501: fix this. do that.. you did this wrong.. oy |
| 01:10.24 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, no it didn't |
| 01:10.30 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, that is YOU having a confilct |
| 01:10.32 | JeffM2501 | get clean |
| 01:10.36 | jomojo | ~praise Jeffm |
| 01:10.37 | ibot | All hail Jeffm! |
| 01:10.44 | JeffM2501 | since your version had changes in the same place |
| 01:10.50 | JeffM2501 | I did it a little difrent then your change |
| 01:11.02 | a_monkey | oh |
| 01:11.09 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 01:11.12 | a_monkey | nvm |
| 01:11.14 | a_monkey | my problem |
| 01:11.19 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:11.22 | a_monkey | lol |
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| 01:11.30 | JeffM2501 | basicly it dosn't make the outline the same opacity as the frame |
| 01:11.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: fix the ban command to work when you don't use a ban duration ( like it used to work ), uses the shortban max time |
| 01:11.35 | JeffM2501 | it uses a percentage |
| 01:11.40 | JeffM2501 | 75% by default |
| 01:11.46 | JeffM2501 | but you can set it in the config |
| 01:11.54 | JeffM2501 | 1.0 for it would be your patch |
| 01:11.58 | _Captain_Kirk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.00 | JeffM2501 | 0.0 for it would be the old behavor |
| 01:12.04 | a_monkey | i see |
| 01:12.07 | JeffM2501 | jomojo, it's done and works |
| 01:12.38 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, 75% looks prety good, keeps the frame visable ( since it's your team color ), but makes it not as harsh. |
| 01:12.50 | a_monkey | cool |
| 01:13.05 | JeffM2501 | I also set the GL state back the right way |
| 01:13.07 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:13.28 | a_monkey | heh |
| 01:14.24 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, want me to do a 17? |
| 01:15.32 | jomojo | thansk JeffM2501 |
| 01:15.42 | a_monkey | how do i get my controlpanel.cxx back to normal...? |
| 01:15.53 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, delete it |
| 01:15.56 | a_monkey | and radarrenderer.cxx probably |
| 01:15.57 | a_monkey | oh ok |
| 01:15.57 | JeffM2501 | then cvs update |
| 01:16.12 | JeffM2501 | or do a cvs update -c ( I think ) to get clean |
| 01:16.27 | a_monkey | i tried cvs update -C |
| 01:16.31 | a_monkey | that didn't work somehow |
| 01:16.45 | JeffM2501 | I dono, I don't use a command line CVS |
| 01:17.10 | JeffM2501 | I get the sound of breaking glass when there are confilcts then a merge editor comes up and I fix the confilct |
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| 01:18.45 | JeffM2501 | it's tupppy! |
| 01:19.09 | JeffM2501 | it's ok, we allready fixed it |
| 01:19.48 | JeffM2501 | I'm giving you bonus points on how you busted windows this time. very sneaky, great work, we had NO idead |
| 01:20.31 | Tupone | I don't wanted this time. It's just coming out naturally |
| 01:20.41 | Tupone | sry for the english |
| 01:20.47 | JeffM2501 | well we didn't see that you added for a new file |
| 01:20.53 | JeffM2501 | just a fluke realy that it didn't complain |
| 01:21.07 | JeffM2501 | tho the ban thing, that was kinda sucky |
| 01:21.33 | JeffM2501 | the last beta we made (b16) basicly didn't have bancommands.cxx in it :) |
| 01:22.17 | Tupone | ban that you fix was my fix to something completely sucky |
| 01:23.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah I saw what you did, and why you made the change |
| 01:23.12 | JeffM2501 | people just liked to not specify a time, it was a feature for them |
| 01:23.23 | JeffM2501 | now it works for both :) |
| 01:23.51 | JeffM2501 | the ommision of the file tho, that was kinda "wow" to DTRemenak and myself |
| 01:23.58 | JeffM2501 | like "how did that even WORK?" |
| 01:24.28 | JeffM2501 | so now I have to make a b17 |
| 01:24.34 | JeffM2501 | so windows users can like |
| 01:24.37 | JeffM2501 | you know,... ban |
| 01:25.20 | Tupone | I repeated lot of time to DTR that he need to add some file. Unfortunately it was on linux, so .. after some time ... the info just went fo /dev/null |
| 01:25.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:25.46 | Tupone | to even. Not his fault too |
| 01:25.58 | JeffM2501 | I was searching the project for "bancommand" and it wasn't showing |
| 01:26.07 | JeffM2501 | and I'm like WTF... |
| 01:26.12 | Tupone | The fault is that we do not have a common build system for all |
| 01:26.16 | JeffM2501 | and DTRemenak says "it's in bancommand.cxx" |
| 01:26.29 | JeffM2501 | it's a thing we have to deal with |
| 01:26.38 | JeffM2501 | a place to post "todo" tasks would be nice |
| 01:26.49 | JeffM2501 | so like file adding in the projects could be put there |
| 01:27.03 | JeffM2501 | better automated testing would help to |
| 01:27.14 | Tupone | We could have not to deal with, if the officila way to build is with MinGW. But I know I talking to the wind |
| 01:27.26 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't offer anything |
| 01:27.37 | JeffM2501 | we could also change to scons |
| 01:27.40 | DTRemenak | actually I thought Jeff added the files. he got a couple of them |
| 01:27.44 | JeffM2501 | scons can use VC to build form the same tystem |
| 01:27.48 | DTRemenak | and it compiled when I rebooted' |
| 01:27.56 | DTRemenak | so I was like "cool, I don't have to add anything" |
| 01:27.58 | DTRemenak | or not |
| 01:28.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I usualy let the errors tell me :) |
| 01:28.44 | JeffM2501 | packing up 17 now |
| 01:28.51 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I'm not blaming anyone. Sorry |
| 01:28.59 | DTRemenak | mingw hurts performance. still don't know why. could be stl performance. |
| 01:29.08 | JeffM2501 | it was more funny then anything |
| 01:29.14 | DTRemenak | yeah, I was really amused |
| 01:29.18 | JeffM2501 | the vc optimisers are prety kick ass |
| 01:29.18 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:29.29 | JeffM2501 | and the new STL is very nice |
| 01:29.31 | DTRemenak | more than anything by the fact that NOBODY mentioned it in the beta thread :) |
| 01:29.32 | Tupone | Last time we tried, with Xbuild, that is a mingw, performance you said are nearly the same |
| 01:30.05 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, there arn't many windows servers |
| 01:30.06 | Tupone | Xbuild -> Cross Build |
| 01:30.11 | DTRemenak | oh? could be. I did a bunch of tests ~1 yr ago and got about a 12% difference. |
| 01:30.28 | JeffM2501 | and to there credit, people did mention here, we just thought it was another problem that was introducted with the changed / handaling |
| 01:30.29 | DTRemenak | suppose I should repeat with new gcc etc |
| 01:30.30 | Tupone | prolly compiler version |
| 01:30.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, well in a way it was :) |
| 01:30.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus I'm NEVER here to do builds. |
| 01:31.16 | JeffM2501 | I spend most of my time in windows |
| 01:31.17 | Tupone | wine ? |
| 01:31.21 | DTRemenak | side effect of "must be in linux to work on projects that make money" :) |
| 01:31.37 | JeffM2501 | mine is an effect of, "get paid to do windows programing" |
| 01:32.09 | JeffM2501 | 17 is uping now |
| 01:32.21 | DTRemenak | see, same motivation, different results :) aside from that I really do like the system better. needs a good ide though. |
| 01:32.23 | JeffM2501 | speaking of optimisations |
| 01:32.52 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:33.17 | JeffM2501 | gonna go to G6 |
| 01:33.22 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 01:33.23 | JeffM2501 | P2 or better |
| 01:33.57 | JeffM2501 | actualy PPro or better |
| 01:34.23 | DTRemenak | aww, you aren't turning on mmx? :) |
| 01:34.42 | JeffM2501 | pro had mmx |
| 01:34.45 | DTRemenak | did not |
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| 01:35.01 | DTRemenak | p2 was essentially ppro + mmx unit |
| 01:35.04 | JeffM2501 | only choices are g5 ( p1 ) |
| 01:35.14 | JeffM2501 | g6 ( pro, II and III ) |
| 01:35.24 | JeffM2501 | and g7 (p4 + ) |
| 01:35.29 | DTRemenak | ah, vc doesn't have a separate toggle for it |
| 01:35.32 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:35.36 | JeffM2501 | probably put into G6 |
| 01:35.54 | DTRemenak | really shouldn't be. pro didn't have it but some later p1s did. |
| 01:35.58 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:36.20 | JeffM2501 | could also try global optimisations |
| 01:36.45 | DTRemenak | should probably never set anything on g7. athlons have a different pipeline structure that p4 bp optimization kinda knocks down |
| 01:36.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:37.00 | DTRemenak | and some of us like our amd procs :) |
| 01:37.23 | JeffM2501 | maybe I'll try turning on all the optimisations this weekend :) |
| 01:38.03 | DTRemenak | iirc there are a couple that are de-optimizations in certain circumstances. be careful :) |
| 01:38.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah it'd only be as a test |
| 01:38.26 | JeffM2501 | just doing the G6 and windows exe optimisations now |
| 01:40.08 | JeffM2501 | some of the octree stuff may get better with the G6 |
| 01:40.15 | JeffM2501 | and that will allways help |
| 01:40.52 | JeffM2501 | I think we have that intell compiler around here somewhere too |
| 01:41.26 | JeffM2501 | B17 is up |
| 01:41.41 | JeffM2501 | I'll do a B17+ with optimisations |
| 01:41.50 | JeffM2501 | and see if people will try it |
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| 01:44.06 | DTRemenak | heh, karma :) |
| 01:44.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 01:44.49 | JeffM2501 | it's amzing the project is still alive with out it |
| 01:44.54 | JeffM2501 | it was going to save the world! |
| 01:44.57 | JeffM2501 | and france |
| 01:45.38 | JeffM2501 | 17 post is up |
| 01:46.22 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so ditch VC6? |
| 01:46.34 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it's current |
| 01:46.42 | JeffM2501 | and noone is complaining |
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| 01:47.30 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, I'd say do it proper. Post on the dev list and the forums, explaining that noone maintains it, asking for someone to commit to maintaining it, and saying if noone volunteers it's going byebye. If you get no answers in a week or so, ditch it. |
| 01:47.47 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: bump to 17 |
| 01:47.49 | JeffM2501 | how bout I ditch it |
| 01:47.52 | DTRemenak | there might be someone out there who still uses it and we just don't know |
| 01:47.55 | JeffM2501 | noone complains in a week, I do nothing? |
| 01:48.00 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 01:48.03 | JeffM2501 | we have history |
| 01:48.07 | DTRemenak | true |
| 01:48.26 | DTRemenak | sure, whatever. probably the first set of complaints will be when we release 2.0.4 though :S |
| 01:48.34 | JeffM2501 | whoa. well server is faster |
| 01:48.39 | DTRemenak | there do exist people who build the releases and not cvs :) |
| 01:48.51 | JeffM2501 | octree went from .7 secs to .4 |
| 01:48.57 | DTRemenak | seriously? |
| 01:49.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:49.03 | DTRemenak | wow. |
| 01:49.05 | JeffM2501 | it's like BAM |
| 01:49.59 | JeffM2501 | well it runs and connects to it's own server |
| 01:50.03 | JeffM2501 | no crashes |
| 01:50.11 | JeffM2501 | let me pack it and have people test |
| 01:52.13 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (18 files): optimise the release build for windows on a modern ( p2 or better ) processor. |
| 01:52.22 | JeffM2501 | if somone complains about the project,I'll dupe the release, set it back to blended and call it ( release_compatable ) |
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| 01:56.14 | thonuz | help |
| 01:56.45 | JeffM2501 | with? |
| 01:57.04 | thonuz | bzflag. shots going through other players |
| 01:57.14 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/bzflag-2.0.3b17+.exe if anyone wants to give it a whirl |
| 01:57.18 | JeffM2501 | thonuz, behind a router? |
| 01:57.30 | thonuz | yes, but works in windows |
| 01:57.36 | JeffM2501 | are you blocking UDP? |
| 01:57.36 | thonuz | does not work in debian |
| 01:57.47 | thonuz | i dont know? |
| 01:57.48 | JeffM2501 | ohh debian |
| 01:57.49 | JeffM2501 | ueah |
| 01:57.53 | JeffM2501 | debian build is jacked |
| 01:57.55 | JeffM2501 | build from source |
| 01:58.01 | JeffM2501 | or get the one right before it |
| 01:58.10 | thonuz | ok |
| 01:58.14 | JeffM2501 | there was a screwup with the build an GCC4 |
| 01:58.20 | thonuz | so latest debian build is broke |
| 01:58.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:58.32 | thonuz | that answers it |
| 01:58.39 | JeffM2501 | it's all lagy and stuff |
| 01:58.46 | thonuz | thanks |
| 01:58.48 | JeffM2501 | we are trying to get a 2.0.4 done |
| 01:58.54 | JeffM2501 | that we can post that will fix it |
| 01:58.56 | thonuz | well it seemed fast |
| 01:59.02 | JeffM2501 | it's fake lag |
| 01:59.07 | JeffM2501 | that's why your shots go thru people |
| 01:59.09 | thonuz | hey that is great |
| 01:59.18 | JeffM2501 | the compiler got all jacked up |
| 01:59.21 | thonuz | thanks |
| 01:59.24 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 01:59.24 | thonuz | i see |
| 02:00.55 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/ (24 files): |
| 02:00.55 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: remove vc6, noone uses it or updates it. |
| 02:00.55 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Via con dios old friend (*snifff*) |
| 02:00.55 | durt | get the latest cvs thonuz |
| 02:01.39 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/Makefile.am: |
| 02:01.39 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: remove vc6, noone uses it or updates it. |
| 02:01.39 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Via con dios old friend (*snifff*) |
| 02:01.53 | thonuz | latest cvs ok |
| 02:03.03 | thonuz | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/ |
| 02:03.12 | thonuz | 2.0.0 |
| 02:03.27 | thonuz | i guess thats it? |
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| 02:03.55 | I_Died_Once | yo |
| 02:04.43 | I_Died_Once | anyone alive out there? |
| 02:04.43 | durt | thonuz, http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 |
| 02:06.01 | thonuz | thanks |
| 02:06.23 | DTRemenak | yo |
| 02:06.31 | I_Died_Once | I'm reading your responce |
| 02:07.21 | DTRemenak | cool. you're doing everything right, I just wanted to spell it out for anyone else who might be wondering :) |
| 02:08.35 | durt | spell what out? |
| 02:08.55 | I_Died_Once | post a link on valgrind, DT |
| 02:09.44 | I_Died_Once | I'm gonna make those who dont submit the easy info like backtraces - I'm gonna make em all look bad for not doing it |
| 02:10.01 | thonuz | i dont know how to use cvs |
| 02:10.09 | thonuz | i loged in anonymous |
| 02:10.14 | thonuz | now what? |
| 02:11.02 | blast007 | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 02:11.11 | I_Died_Once | you beat me to it |
| 02:11.12 | durt | what he said |
| 02:11.23 | blast007 | that will create a bzflag/ directory in the current working directory |
| 02:11.59 | thonuz | cool |
| 02:12.10 | thonuz | somethings happening |
| 02:12.33 | thonuz | ok it finished |
| 02:12.45 | thonuz | duya now what? |
| 02:12.48 | I_Died_Once | enter "cd bzflag" |
| 02:12.50 | durt | no read the install file |
| 02:12.55 | durt | now* |
| 02:13.01 | durt | and the readmes |
| 02:13.11 | I_Died_Once | "cd bzflag" |
| 02:13.19 | thonuz | ok |
| 02:13.27 | I_Died_Once | now "./autogen.sh" |
| 02:13.37 | thonuz | roger |
| 02:13.45 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once, k, posted a valgrind link and some notes. if bzfs is tying up any significant cpu at all you won't want to run it, you're looking at a 10-30x slowdown typically. |
| 02:13.55 | I_Died_Once | then "./configure" |
| 02:14.28 | durt | also make sure you have all the stuff you need to compile it |
| 02:14.43 | I_Died_Once | than "make" |
| 02:14.47 | I_Died_Once | nthan "make install" |
| 02:15.01 | DTRemenak | otoh if bzfs is taking like 5% cpu (which it really should be on a decent machine) then it won't make a noticable difference |
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| 02:15.25 | thonuz | im in the bzflag directory, but ./configure not found |
| 02:15.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 02:15.54 | I_Died_Once | this suports voice? |
| 02:15.54 | durt | run "./autogen.sh" first |
| 02:16.22 | thonuz | at least version 2.52.0 of GNU Autoconf must be installed. |
| 02:16.40 | thonuz | ill try apt |
| 02:16.42 | I_Died_Once | install the lates autoconf you can find |
| 02:16.47 | I_Died_Once | seek ya google.com |
| 02:16.53 | durt | yup use apt |
| 02:17.04 | I_Died_Once | I use yast |
| 02:18.20 | thonuz | 2.59a |
| 02:18.24 | I_Died_Once | or i compile from source after scouring google |
| 02:18.24 | thonuz | got it |
| 02:18.46 | thonuz | need to get automake |
| 02:19.01 | durt | try autogen again, and if your missing something just get it and run autogen again etc |
| 02:19.30 | thonuz | ok |
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| 02:20.54 | hw- | ping |
| 02:21.19 | blast007 | pong |
| 02:21.50 | durt | i also needed libpng3, libpng3-dev, libncurses5-dev, and libsdl1.2-dev |
| 02:22.16 | thonuz | debian repos. are still in bad shape |
| 02:22.34 | blast007 | also want the cURL dev stuff |
| 02:22.40 | thonuz | but im getting there |
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| 02:23.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/functions.html: big fat warning about NULL from getPlayerByIndex |
| 02:23.29 | bz3745 | questions for someone knowlegeable about BZflag servers |
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| 02:23.48 | blast007 | ~ask |
| 02:23.51 | ibot | it has been said that ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 02:23.58 | bz3745 | hey |
| 02:24.21 | thonuz | its building. thanks all! |
| 02:24.28 | JeffM2501 | how do I start a server? |
| 02:24.51 | bz3745 | know I have gotten current maps on servers running now |
| 02:24.53 | bz3745 | but.. |
| 02:25.03 | bz3745 | they will not run on mine. It gives me errors |
| 02:25.15 | bz3745 | they it does not know what they commands are |
| 02:25.17 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/functions.html: note about what happens if you don't check for NULL from getPlayerByIndex |
| 02:25.38 | bz3745 | do i need a newer server version or something? |
| 02:25.39 | blast007 | bz3745: what kind of errors? (if there are many, use pastebin) |
| 02:25.45 | JeffM2501 | bz3745, what version of the game do you have? |
| 02:25.51 | bz3745 | 2.0.2 |
| 02:26.13 | JeffM2501 | and what things does it say it can not find? |
| 02:26.20 | bz3745 | celestrial |
| 02:26.34 | bz3745 | or something like that I was doing this the other day |
| 02:26.34 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 02:26.38 | bz3745 | i would have to set it up again |
| 02:26.50 | bz3745 | it doesn't know how to draw "_celestrial" |
| 02:26.50 | JeffM2501 | we can't help you unless you tell us the exact error |
| 02:26.57 | bz3745 | k hang on |
| 02:27.02 | JeffM2501 | does it need textures you don't thave? |
| 02:27.08 | bz3745 | i will set it up |
| 02:27.42 | bz3745 | i don't know |
| 02:28.01 | JeffM2501 | it's beer time :) |
| 02:28.17 | JeffM2501 | learner, found an ABA I can drink |
| 02:31.18 | JeffM2501 | aww crap I forgot to build plugins in 17 |
| 02:31.20 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 02:32.02 | DTRemenak | you built plugins since the last api change right? |
| 02:32.18 | JeffM2501 | ummm |
| 02:32.25 | JeffM2501 | maaaayyyybbbbeeeeeee |
| 02:32.26 | DTRemenak | or did you just dist a bunch of borken plugins :) |
| 02:32.35 | JeffM2501 | ummm |
| 02:32.39 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 02:32.43 | JeffM2501 | helliiknow |
| 02:33.07 | bz3745 | ok now how can i copy error msg? |
| 02:33.16 | JeffM2501 | where is the error? |
| 02:33.19 | bz3745 | cmd |
| 02:33.25 | JeffM2501 | server? |
| 02:33.27 | JeffM2501 | or client? |
| 02:33.30 | bz3745 | server |
| 02:33.38 | bz3745 | running from COMMAND PROMT |
| 02:33.48 | JeffM2501 | depends on your OS |
| 02:33.53 | JeffM2501 | but usualy you can right click |
| 02:33.53 | bz3745 | Windows XP |
| 02:33.56 | JeffM2501 | hit mark |
| 02:33.58 | JeffM2501 | then select it |
| 02:34.03 | JeffM2501 | then hit copy |
| 02:34.25 | bz3745 | Unknown BZDB variable: _drawCelestial |
| 02:34.37 | JeffM2501 | ahh take that line out of the map |
| 02:34.50 | JeffM2501 | it's a map for the beta probably |
| 02:34.50 | bz3745 | ok, what is the problem with that line |
| 02:34.52 | bz3745 | oh |
| 02:34.53 | bz3745 | ok |
| 02:34.56 | JeffM2501 | your server don';t gots it |
| 02:35.05 | bz3745 | nice english |
| 02:35.08 | bz3745 | lol |
| 02:35.21 | I_Died_Once | if you think his english is good, wait 'til you see his spelling |
| 02:35.42 | JeffM2501 | don't make me come over there vader |
| 02:35.49 | bz3745 | lol |
| 02:35.51 | bz3745 | ok well i dit it |
| 02:35.54 | JeffM2501 | the force is hella strong with this one |
| 02:35.57 | bz3745 | commented with "#" |
| 02:36.01 | JeffM2501 | liek as strong as a small ponny |
| 02:36.04 | bz3745 | and it says clouds now |
| 02:36.16 | bz3745 | Unknown BZDB variable: _drawClouds |
| 02:36.19 | bz3745 | so it too |
| 02:36.27 | JeffM2501 | I think you get the picture |
| 02:36.32 | bz3745 | k ty |
| 02:36.33 | JeffM2501 | or just use the b17 we just posted |
| 02:36.36 | JeffM2501 | should have it all in there |
| 02:36.43 | bz3745 | ok were is that |
| 02:36.49 | bz3745 | i am new to this stuff |
| 02:36.54 | JeffM2501 | on the BZ of the BB |
| 02:36.57 | bz3745 | ok |
| 02:36.59 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 02:37.00 | bz3745 | thank you |
| 02:38.18 | bz3745 | were exactly, or how is it organized. |
| 02:38.21 | bz3745 | maybe i am dumb |
| 02:38.27 | JeffM2501 | second forum down |
| 02:38.33 | JeffM2501 | "game releases and versions" |
| 02:38.44 | JeffM2501 | there will be a post for the beta version |
| 02:39.13 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.3b17 |
| 02:39.13 | JeffM2501 | just made it today |
| 02:39.13 | JeffM2501 | like 20 min ago |
| 02:39.13 | bz3745 | k |
| 02:39.13 | bz3745 | b17? |
| 02:39.16 | bz3745 | sry n/m |
| 02:39.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:39.20 | JeffM2501 | 17th beta build |
| 02:39.55 | bz3745 | so i should just download it and run it? should be all good then? |
| 02:40.17 | JeffM2501 | it will be current code |
| 02:40.22 | JeffM2501 | that would have all the current vars |
| 02:40.28 | a_monkey | what's the file that renders the mouse box |
| 02:40.29 | bz3745 | alrighty |
| 02:40.29 | JeffM2501 | so it should work with it all |
| 02:40.32 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/plugins/killall/killall.cpp: newline at eof |
| 02:40.35 | a_monkey | please |
| 02:40.38 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, hud probably |
| 02:40.44 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: ah, thx |
| 02:42.48 | a_monkey | doesn't appear to be in ther |
| 02:42.57 | a_monkey | s/ther/there |
| 02:43.12 | JeffM2501 | then search around |
| 02:45.14 | a_monkey | that's what i'm doin' :) |
| 02:45.53 | DTRemenak | hmm, looks like shockwaveDeath could be the culprit that's toasting the stack |
| 02:48.04 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, I know you're probably drunk and all, but I'm about to fall asleep here, you mind looking at this? http://pastebin.com/347371 |
| 02:49.47 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:50.02 | JeffM2501 | sw death is ike old |
| 02:50.30 | JeffM2501 | is that using the global server or the player ? |
| 02:50.43 | JeffM2501 | for the sourrce? |
| 02:50.43 | DTRemenak | that trace is from the server, if that's what you mean |
| 02:50.51 | JeffM2501 | nono |
| 02:50.51 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 02:50.57 | DTRemenak | I dunno |
| 02:50.58 | JeffM2501 | the plugin can have the shot come from the server or the player |
| 02:51.05 | JeffM2501 | I think the player is what cuases that |
| 02:51.20 | JeffM2501 | just turned on full optimisations |
| 02:51.23 | JeffM2501 | and G7 :) |
| 02:51.51 | DTRemenak | it's just -loadplugin ../plugins/shockwaveDeath/shockwavedeath.so. no options. |
| 02:52.00 | JeffM2501 | hmm that would be server then |
| 02:52.18 | JeffM2501 | what is uninted? |
| 02:52.56 | DTRemenak | I would guess that void const* that gets passed around at low level :) |
| 02:53.17 | DTRemenak | but I dunno |
| 02:53.30 | DTRemenak | 0x8186DA4 |
| 02:53.33 | DTRemenak | whatever's there |
| 02:53.43 | JeffM2501 | wonder how it's difrent then any other world weap call |
| 02:54.14 | DTRemenak | if I can figure out how to get valgrind to trigger gdb I can get you some prints of those variables |
| 02:54.25 | DTRemenak | but it is not cooperating |
| 02:54.35 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it's the shot ID |
| 02:55.47 | a_monkey | oh nvm. mouse box rendering is in hud renderer |
| 02:56.03 | JeffM2501 | what are you going to do to it? |
| 03:00.30 | DTRemenak | heh, it doesn't actually crash most of the time, it just sends the uninitialized bytes :) |
| 03:00.47 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:00.52 | DTRemenak | ergo I can't get it to trigger gdb reliably |
| 03:01.50 | DTRemenak | too bad there's no "just freaking crash if this happens already" switch |
| 03:03.36 | JeffM2501 | boundschecker can |
| 03:03.41 | JeffM2501 | but I hate that thing |
| 03:04.40 | DTRemenak | I'm betting that valgrind can too. It's just so huge and complicated :S |
| 03:04.59 | JeffM2501 | one case where IDE integration makes it easy |
| 03:05.46 | DTRemenak | and I don't want it to "crash on the first error" 'cause zlib has what valgrind thinks are memory errors out the wazoo since they use fancy pointer tricks |
| 03:06.42 | DTRemenak | ah, db-attach |
| 03:06.59 | JeffM2501 | I can tell it to ignore further errors in this file, or module |
| 03:08.42 | JeffM2501 | I can go to work tomorow and run it on BC |
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| 03:19.38 | DTRemenak | muwahaha, got it |
| 03:20.12 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, gdb's backtrace says http://pastebin.com/347380 |
| 03:20.43 | DTRemenak | if you want more info it's trapped right now, I can deref stuff |
| 03:22.38 | DTRemenak | pos=0x66 in fireWorldWeapon looks odd to me |
| 03:24.23 | DTRemenak | something is getting screwed between the call to bz_fireWorldWep and fireWorldWep |
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| 04:55.41 | SportChick | http://www.nochicktrix.com/wp/spec/intherough.htm |
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| 06:40.46 | JeffM2501 | hmm looks like they are pulling optimisations from VC8 |
| 06:40.48 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
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| 13:35.56 | menotume | Hi all. I am starting a photo gallery of bz-tankers at: http://pics.bzleague.com All contributions are welcome, I will get permission to make pics public by all who are in a photo before posting it. |
| 13:36.34 | Tupone | can we post some prno too ? |
| 13:36.46 | menotume | you can't post, but you can email to me :) |
| 13:36.53 | Tupone | lol |
| 13:36.56 | menotume | hehe |
| 13:37.04 | Birdie | oh oh who would that be on that pic there:) |
| 13:37.13 | menotume | I had to start somewhere :) |
| 13:38.05 | menotume | group shots are welcome too (hint, hint) |
| 13:38.32 | Birdie | maybe the one on the developers meeting:) |
| 13:49.01 | Birdie | if i find a good one i'll give you mine |
| 13:49.11 | Birdie | but you know that can take a while:) |
| 13:52.30 | menotume | i won't hold my breath. |
| 13:53.56 | menotume | I understand that people value their privacy. I didn't want to post my own pic for a long time :) |
| 13:54.51 | Birdie | why did you changed mind? |
| 13:55.15 | menotume | dunno exactly :) |
| 13:55.33 | Birdie | no more "menotume can i see a pic of you please?":) |
| 13:55.37 | menotume | i guess i'm old enough that I don't care if people think that I'm ugly/geeky/whatever :) |
| 13:55.53 | menotume | yes, that too ! :) |
| 13:56.25 | Birdie | i hope i'm old enough to 8-) |
| 13:56.48 | Birdie | 44people in the channel, 44pics soon:) |
| 13:57.00 | Birdie | - bots + chanserv |
| 13:57.12 | Birdie | - ( bots + chanserv ) :) |
| 13:58.39 | Tupone | blast007, still no commit access ? |
| 14:02.54 | Tupone | ahh, you are a dev now. |
| 14:03.27 | Tupone | no excuse to not fix code and doc :) |
| 14:05.11 | blast007 | heh |
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| 14:23.50 | menotume | ~karma SC |
| 14:23.50 | ibot | sc has neutral karma |
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| 15:30.24 | uso | hi |
| 15:30.55 | uso | i want to render team flags with glRectf to make them better visible |
| 15:31.13 | uso | but if i do so they are flickering if i rotate or move |
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| 15:31.22 | uso | any attribute to set to avoid this? |
| 15:36.10 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I dunno |
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| 15:49.05 | blast007 | uso: did a quick google for "glRectf flicker" and found you might need to enable double buffering |
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| 15:52.15 | ibunny | _Manu_ manu bonito |
| 15:52.30 | _Manu_ | ibunny ibunny guapa! |
| 15:53.09 | _Captain_Kirk_ | ?? |
| 15:53.34 | ibunny | is that a question? |
| 15:53.39 | ibunny | anyhow... |
| 15:53.44 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 15:53.52 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Yeah |
| 15:53.54 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Sorta |
| 15:54.07 | ibunny | well since you are the one who gets it, then answer it yourself. |
| 15:54.20 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I said "sorta" |
| 15:54.28 | ibunny | _Manu_ como vais? |
| 15:54.54 | _Manu_ | ibunny, aqui haciendo algunas cosillas |
| 15:55.06 | Birdie | come esta? |
| 15:55.08 | Birdie | is that spanish to? |
| 15:55.26 | _Manu_ | perhaps.. como esta? ;) |
| 15:55.32 | Birdie | see i knew it:) |
| 15:55.46 | _Manu_ | come is 'he eats' |
| 15:56.14 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 15:57.08 | ibunny | could be ella come |
| 15:57.10 | ibunny | so.. |
| 15:57.25 | Birdie | why was i thinking at food:) |
| 15:57.45 | _Manu_ | ibunny, in this context he asked me ;) |
| 15:58.02 | ibunny | how do u know it was adress to you? |
| 15:58.10 | ibunny | he made an open question :P |
| 15:58.18 | _Manu_ | because he used your question to me |
| 15:58.20 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 15:58.24 | ibunny | nah |
| 16:00.27 | Birdie | yep |
| 16:00.31 | _Manu_ | ibunny, how it's goint? long time not seen you here |
| 16:00.47 | _Manu_ | s/goint/going |
| 16:01.17 | _Manu_ | heh.. used type int and long :/ |
| 16:01.39 | ibunny | im fine |
| 16:01.41 | ibunny | been busy |
| 16:01.52 | ibunny | i havent seen you in hugbunny either.. so |
| 16:02.09 | _Manu_ | really busy too |
| 16:02.48 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Hey guys I make levels for duke nukem' |
| 16:03.10 | _Manu_ | duke nukem? what is that? :) |
| 16:03.27 | _Captain_Kirk_ | http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/reactor.jpg |
| 16:04.01 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Self-Destruct sequence initiated. 5...4...3...2...1...BOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 16:04.32 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Duke Nukem 3D is a 9 year old fps made by 3dRealms. Recently there has been a port for WindowsXP |
| 16:04.48 | ibunny | este tio me recuerda a ... como se llama... sniper |
| 16:04.50 | ibunny | en fin.. |
| 16:05.02 | _Captain_Kirk_ | ? |
| 16:05.08 | _Manu_ | _Captain_Kirk_, I knew just kidding |
| 16:05.18 | _Manu_ | ibunny, :) |
| 16:06.28 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Whatdo you think of my ReactorCore? |
| 16:06.39 | _Captain_Kirk_ | it actualy does have self destruct built in |
| 16:07.34 | uso | blast007: double buffering is on |
| 16:07.46 | _Manu_ | I don't like too much that game |
| 16:08.01 | _Captain_Kirk_ | and jpg quality is 70 |
| 16:08.15 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I like if for the level creatin, not the violence |
| 16:08.40 | uso | blast007: i thought there may be an gl attribute which is not set in the context flags are drawn, because the tank itself is also drawn with glRectf and does not flicker |
| 16:10.36 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, you are thinking, therefore you exist :) |
| 16:11.44 | _Manu_ | _Captain_Kirk_, you also can try bzflag maps |
| 16:13.28 | Pimpi | wow, duke nukem is already 9 years old? |
| 16:14.05 | _Manu_ | only? :) |
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| 16:17.09 | blast007 | the first Duke Nukem game was released in 1991 |
| 16:17.17 | Birdie | 14year:s |
| 16:21.33 | blast007 | uso: not sure, but the one I was looking at called a GLUT function named glutSwapBuffers(); after it did the glRectf |
| 16:21.48 | blast007 | there might be a glSwapBuffers(); function |
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| 16:37.24 | IDiedOnce | I left my client logged in here @ home |
| 16:37.28 | IDiedOnce | sorry |
| 16:38.10 | DTRemenak | always more fun for there to be two of you anyway |
| 16:38.23 | IDiedOnce | oh yeah |
| 16:38.37 | IDiedOnce | the bzfscron is nice and has lots of potential |
| 16:38.44 | IDiedOnce | good freakin' job, yo |
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| 16:39.01 | DTRemenak | ah, thanks |
| 16:39.45 | IDiedOnce | If you guys could only make /say anonymous like it was before.... |
| 16:39.56 | DTRemenak | you're building from source, right? |
| 16:40.08 | IDiedOnce | of course |
| 16:40.29 | IDiedOnce | I havent updated my server with todays CVS yet though |
| 16:40.48 | IDiedOnce | I'll do that in a couple of hours once I get home |
| 16:40.57 | IDiedOnce | I gotta stop and get a haircut on the way though |
| 16:41.57 | DTRemenak | comment out src/bzfs/commands.cxx lines 2695-2697 and you will have your anonymous /say back |
| 16:42.19 | IDiedOnce | I think Meteorite suggested that once.... |
| 16:42.28 | IDiedOnce | If I do that, would I have to re-compile? |
| 16:42.43 | DTRemenak | yup, after you change it you'll need to compile again |
| 16:42.49 | IDiedOnce | hmmm |
| 16:42.57 | DTRemenak | or just the next time you build after updating cvs it will rebuild that file |
| 16:43.04 | IDiedOnce | Then what I'll do is download the CVS version, edit that out, then compile it |
| 16:43.11 | IDiedOnce | woot |
| 16:43.42 | DTRemenak | you only need to make the change once, cvs is a source merge system, so your change will stay and our changes will be merged with it |
| 16:43.53 | DTRemenak | unless we change those lines again ;) |
| 16:43.55 | IDiedOnce | oh sweet |
| 16:44.04 | IDiedOnce | make up your mind, dammit |
| 16:44.09 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 16:45.16 | IDiedOnce | I got the feeling that once 2.0.4 is released and things really start rolling with plugins... it'll be me @ Planet MoFO and like, one other server - we'll be the only plugin users |
| 16:45.34 | DTRemenak | pft. I wrote bzfscron for my own servers dude :) |
| 16:46.16 | IDiedOnce | one of my guys suggested I take bzfscron and make it spew out slurs against others servers |
| 16:46.25 | DTRemenak | I'm betting that most servers will only use one or two plugins |
| 16:46.29 | DTRemenak | but who knows |
| 16:46.38 | DTRemenak | yup, you could do that :) |
| 16:46.46 | IDiedOnce | like every two minutes " to hell with secretplace" |
| 16:46.57 | IDiedOnce | "down with gamesunited" |
| 16:47.35 | IDiedOnce | I told them I dont have the bandwidth to go all out in a server war |
| 16:47.58 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 16:48.29 | IDiedOnce | a league server could have timed matches with the racetoseven ordeal |
| 16:48.32 | DTRemenak | hey, this seems to actually work, amazing |
| 16:48.46 | IDiedOnce | I got MoFo resetting flags every ten minutes |
| 16:49.11 | DTRemenak | yup, once I get bzfscron to compile on my bsd box Hills and Emerald Mosque will be doing the same thing |
| 16:49.14 | IDiedOnce | although I think its crashed since I left, I cant find it on the list of servers |
| 16:49.44 | DTRemenak | fwiw valgrind says that shockwavedeath is the plugin that's crashing servers |
| 16:49.53 | DTRemenak | most likely |
| 16:49.58 | DTRemenak | I can't figure out why though |
| 16:50.09 | IDiedOnce | I'll do a backtrace once I get to the hizzy |
| 16:50.14 | DTRemenak | something is getting screwy when the world weapon is fired |
| 16:50.55 | IDiedOnce | Should I only be trying out one plugin at a time? |
| 16:51.09 | blast007 | does the crash happen on a regular basis? |
| 16:51.14 | DTRemenak | they *should* all work together |
| 16:51.17 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: signed/unsigned warning |
| 16:51.28 | IDiedOnce | no, not really regular |
| 16:51.31 | DTRemenak | blast007, the memory corruption happens on a regular basis. it only causes a crash every once in a while |
| 16:51.55 | DTRemenak | presumably when it hits some sensitive memory |
| 16:52.08 | DTRemenak | like kernel allocs |
| 16:52.21 | blast007 | ah, ok |
| 16:52.26 | IDiedOnce | I know the last time MoFo crashed, I hit myself with geno, and we had the roguegeno plugin loaded, and several ragues on |
| 16:52.47 | IDiedOnce | and killing myself with geno (bounced off a wall) crashed the server |
| 16:53.04 | IDiedOnce | I think when you "tk" with the roguegeno - it tells you to be more careful with geno.... |
| 16:53.16 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): bzApiString::c_str() and size() are const-safe, mark them as such |
| 16:53.21 | IDiedOnce | that message has displayed itself four times on my screeen as it craashed |
| 16:53.44 | DTRemenak | yeah, that works ok though. I killed myself (as rogue) with roguegeno about 20 times with no problem |
| 16:53.57 | IDiedOnce | were there several other rogues on? |
| 16:54.06 | DTRemenak | it could be that you were close to another rogue, and your shockwave and your roguegeno tried to kill him at the same time ;) |
| 16:54.17 | IDiedOnce | possible |
| 16:54.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, I had a couple other on also |
| 16:54.38 | IDiedOnce | alot of my players hate the SWDeath, I like the nastiness of it |
| 16:54.42 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 16:54.50 | DTRemenak | makes burrow a real superflag though |
| 16:54.55 | IDiedOnce | I'll unload it and try to re-enact that |
| 16:55.01 | IDiedOnce | makes BU a rolling land mine |
| 16:55.10 | blast007 | heh, never thought about BU for that ;D |
| 16:55.38 | DTRemenak | you're basically invincible unless someone wants to suicide to see you dead |
| 16:55.54 | IDiedOnce | or unless someone hits you with GM |
| 16:55.58 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 16:56.09 | IDiedOnce | I got hit with laser and I had BU once.... |
| 16:56.14 | DTRemenak | or if you have skvv on |
| 16:56.35 | IDiedOnce | but they dropped from a really high up place, and they "smushed" flat for a sec, then fired |
| 16:56.40 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 16:56.42 | DTRemenak | nice :) |
| 16:57.22 | DTRemenak | adds another level of surrealism. not only do our tanks jump, they also squish :) |
| 16:58.20 | IDiedOnce | ok, I have to finish up here at the airport so I can leave |
| 16:58.34 | IDiedOnce | you guys take it easy, I'll be around later this afternoon, most likely |
| 17:02.52 | ToughShooter | Hmm, how to raise MG shot length? I tried changing _mGunAdLife but that had no visible effect that I noticed. |
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| 18:02.42 | RPG_ | hi |
| 18:04.09 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 18:04.39 | RPG_ | in plugins, how do you get the command arguments that are passed to it? |
| 18:04.47 | RPG_ | such as racetoseven,file.txt |
| 18:04.56 | JeffM2501 | in the init |
| 18:04.59 | JeffM2501 | the string passed in |
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| 18:05.30 | RPG_ | bzAPIStringList *_param |
| 18:05.35 | RPG_ | is that an array ? |
| 18:05.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 18:25.45 | learner | DTRemenak, I suppose that libtool configure.ac change did the trick? |
| 18:25.54 | DTRemenak | hm? |
| 18:27.18 | learner | the libtool_dep thing |
| 18:28.08 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, care if I remove the krb5 configurations? |
| 18:28.17 | DTRemenak | feel free |
| 18:29.03 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.sln: remove kerbos builds, since that went nowhere |
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| 18:41.52 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, oh I fixed your download thing, to make it like work and stuff |
| 18:42.24 | RPG_ | what? |
| 18:42.32 | RPG_ | it didn't work? |
| 18:42.53 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 18:43.00 | JeffM2501 | you were adding K to bytes |
| 18:43.00 | RPG_ | how? |
| 18:43.03 | JeffM2501 | using %i |
| 18:43.16 | RPG_ | I wanted it to be KB's |
| 18:43.20 | JeffM2501 | bytesdownloaded += thisFile |
| 18:43.34 | JeffM2501 | bytesdownoaded = bytesdownloaded/1024 |
| 18:43.42 | JeffM2501 | then repeat |
| 18:43.50 | RPG_ | ahhh |
| 18:43.50 | JeffM2501 | the next time thru |
| 18:43.52 | JeffM2501 | it was k |
| 18:43.55 | JeffM2501 | and you added bytes to it |
| 18:43.59 | JeffM2501 | then converted it to K again |
| 18:44.03 | RPG_ | ohhhh |
| 18:44.18 | JeffM2501 | so at the end of a louman map, you were using like exobytes |
| 18:44.25 | RPG_ | heh |
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| 18:45.06 | JeffM2501 | and he's spent |
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| 19:33.40 | a_monkey | why the heck does global identification only work 52% of the time?? |
| 19:33.59 | a_monkey | the other 48% of the time, i get errors |
| 19:34.10 | a_monkey | is this normal:? |
| 19:34.13 | a_monkey | whoops |
| 19:34.13 | blast007 | errors like...? |
| 19:34.19 | a_monkey | s/normal:/normal |
| 19:35.08 | a_monkey | errors like "invalid token" |
| 19:35.14 | a_monkey | or something |
| 19:35.23 | BearPerson | proxy |
| 19:36.38 | BearPerson | a_monkey, you behind a http proxy? |
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| 19:38.00 | blast007 | hmm...can't get bzflag to build on my linux box |
| 19:38.25 | blast007 | (first of all, it's still trying to use the makefile in the win32/VC6/ directory) |
| 19:38.51 | blast007 | but I fixed that problem, and then the configure completed fine |
| 19:39.06 | blast007 | but the make just keeps doing a loop of ./configure |
| 19:40.28 | durt | you have all the necessary packages installed right? |
| 19:40.55 | blast007 | yup |
| 19:41.41 | durt | so ./configure just keeps going and going and going? |
| 19:41.57 | blast007 | when I do ./configure, it only does it once |
| 19:42.10 | blast007 | but when I run 'make', it runs ./configure again, and then keeps running it |
| 19:42.22 | _Manu_ | blast007, did you ./autogen.sh ? |
| 19:42.27 | blast007 | _Manu_: yup |
| 19:42.59 | _Manu_ | is it a fresh download? |
| 19:43.06 | blast007 | yeah, from latest CVS |
| 19:43.32 | durt | cd bzflag/CVS and do it |
| 19:43.36 | durt | again |
| 19:43.38 | blast007 | I took out two things in configure referring to the old VC6 directory |
| 19:43.43 | durt | make clean |
| 19:44.12 | blast007 | durt: I've redownloaded the source from scratch about 2 times now :) |
| 19:44.37 | durt | dont redownload, just recompile |
| 19:45.33 | _Manu_ | working for me :/, can you be more explicit? what's the message when stop it? |
| 19:46.16 | durt | what are the last couple of lines after ./configure? |
| 19:46.34 | blast007 | hmm...I think this is also the first time I am building with SDL |
| 19:47.26 | _Manu_ | blast007, when you do ./configure what's the error message? |
| 19:47.35 | DTRemenak | blast007, sounds kinda like you have clock drift. is your computer's date correct? |
| 19:47.40 | durt | so you have libsdl-something-dev installed? |
| 19:49.07 | blast007 | DTRemenak: I think so, but let me check |
| 19:49.15 | _Manu_ | lol |
| 19:50.14 | blast007 | heh, apparently it isn't... :) |
| 19:51.53 | blast007 | several months behind for some reason |
| 19:52.08 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 19:54.03 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:54.23 | blast007 | or a more accurate set of hands when setting the date |
| 19:54.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:54.54 | _Manu_ | I see you never use your system calendar :) |
| 19:55.07 | blast007 | there's a calendar? ;) |
| 19:55.26 | durt | what distro blast? |
| 19:55.32 | blast007 | slackware |
| 19:55.40 | _Manu_ | blast007, yes, look under your monitor ;-p |
| 19:55.43 | DTRemenak | yay slackware :) |
| 19:56.04 | blast007 | started out with just their ZipSlack, but I've been adding quite a few packages |
| 19:57.06 | blast007 | hmm...I could probably drive home, and let this compile |
| 19:57.45 | DTRemenak | I take it it's working now that your date is correct? |
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| 20:55.26 | blast007 | hrm...think it's still looping... |
| 21:03.13 | a_monkey | i found out that i can modify profont |
| 21:03.17 | a_monkey | http://www.refrozen.com/uploaded-files/200508/ProFontWindows.ttf |
| 21:03.52 | a_monkey | will someone with windows please convert it for me? |
| 21:04.09 | JeffM2501 | where is the license for it that says you can convert it? |
| 21:05.33 | I_Died_Once | Forgiveness is much easier to obtain than permission is |
| 21:05.44 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mater |
| 21:06.00 | JeffM2501 | kid needs to larn IP laws |
| 21:06.08 | I_Died_Once | True |
| 21:06.21 | I_Died_Once | I blatantly disregard many likewise laws |
| 21:06.32 | JeffM2501 | dosn't change the fact that they are still there |
| 21:06.43 | I_Died_Once | I copy and pirate movies still in theatres like a mad man to make ends meet |
| 21:06.52 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your boat |
| 21:07.04 | durt | shhh! |
| 21:07.07 | I_Died_Once | Personally, I dont give a damn if it is or not legal |
| 21:07.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm just having problems with kids doing google image searches for stuff and wanting us to host it. |
| 21:07.26 | I_Died_Once | I understand |
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| 21:07.38 | JeffM2501 | I am not sure we even have the rights to distribute the current profont as GPL in our package |
| 21:08.08 | I_Died_Once | well damn son, you're gonna get all us bzflag players arrested and prsecuted |
| 21:08.10 | JeffM2501 | specificly the website says we may NOT modify it, but we are distroing it in a GPL license |
| 21:08.32 | I_Died_Once | Maybe the RIAA will come after us because of the soundfiles |
| 21:08.34 | JeffM2501 | techincaly that font makes us unable to be in debian "free" section |
| 21:08.48 | JeffM2501 | the RIAA just don't realise there biz has to evolve |
| 21:08.54 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: last night i downloaded a package that contained the original profont distribution 2.2 and it had some readme about it |
| 21:09.07 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, ok show me that readme |
| 21:09.12 | I_Died_Once | Same with the MPAA |
| 21:09.22 | JeffM2501 | I need to see where it says we can modify it and release it UNDER the GPL |
| 21:09.31 | I_Died_Once | a true collector has the collectors edition, original first print, extended versions.. and the bootleg |
| 21:09.31 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 21:09.31 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, our profont was created by hand by legoguy |
| 21:09.37 | a_monkey | now where the heck did i find that thing |
| 21:09.48 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, then why does it have a link to a website where the font came from? |
| 21:10.22 | JeffM2501 | if we are using the excuse that it's not the font itself, just an image using the font, that's ok |
| 21:10.25 | JeffM2501 | I just need to know |
| 21:10.35 | JeffM2501 | that is how we can skirt by |
| 21:10.49 | I_Died_Once | I'd convert it for ya, monkey, in spite of it all, but I'm not knowledgeable in these things |
| 21:11.07 | JeffM2501 | ohh I'm converting it for him, I just want to know because we have one in our release |
| 21:11.22 | I_Died_Once | but it never hurts to be positive youre legal |
| 21:11.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:11.39 | I_Died_Once | Legal? I will MAKE it legal... |
| 21:11.39 | JeffM2501 | spcialy with all the GPL freaks out there |
| 21:11.47 | JeffM2501 | that was a bad bad movie |
| 21:11.50 | a_monkey | i'm lookin for that readme... i'm lookin'.... |
| 21:12.14 | JeffM2501 | the readme I saw on the origonal profont said that you can redistriburte it, unmodified, with that license |
| 21:12.25 | a_monkey | ok |
| 21:12.36 | a_monkey | that has nothing to do with converting for personal use |
| 21:12.45 | JeffM2501 | what do we do 6,8.12. 16 and 32? |
| 21:13.01 | a_monkey | 32 is unnecessary |
| 21:13.10 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, it didin't specify, so therefor it means ALL USES |
| 21:13.17 | JeffM2501 | you can't just ignore things you don't want to hear |
| 21:13.31 | I_Died_Once | monkey - sned me a hundred bucks, and I'll giuve you MY permission to do whatever you want with it |
| 21:13.42 | I_Died_Once | :) |
| 21:13.45 | a_monkey | i know i saw somethin' somewhere |
| 21:13.51 | JeffM2501 | you'd still get sued, and be 100$ poorer |
| 21:13.57 | a_monkey | lol |
| 21:14.06 | I_Died_Once | but not sue'd byme, though |
| 21:16.13 | JeffM2501 | hell techincaly that link you sent, violates the profont readme, as it dosn't have the readme with it |
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| 21:17.43 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, I'm having trouble finding all the original discussion, which probably means we need to document it better. However, TimRiker and I were both convinced as to the legality of distributing this particular profont, which as you know is a lot of convincing to do :) |
| 21:18.22 | JeffM2501 | ok |
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| 21:18.35 | JeffM2501 | we are probalby geting away with it as saying it's an image using them |
| 21:18.40 | JeffM2501 | not the actual font geometry |
| 21:18.42 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/resources/fonts/ProFontWindows.zip |
| 21:18.43 | ToughShooter | What is _rainEndZ for? _rainStartZ sets the height where the rain begins but _rainEndZ does nothing except _rainType is bubble. Is that meant that way? |
| 21:19.01 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, they work together |
| 21:19.12 | JeffM2501 | if the end is -1 then it goes to the ground |
| 21:19.15 | undertaker | can somebody help me with a basic linux sound prob |
| 21:19.21 | undertaker | ? |
| 21:19.27 | JeffM2501 | if end is above the start then the rain goes UP |
| 21:19.44 | JeffM2501 | those 2 and rain speed all work together |
| 21:19.53 | ToughShooter | Aww, I want the rain to stop at a certain height |
| 21:20.07 | I_Died_Once | play with it, toughshooter |
| 21:20.13 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I think we just need to include his readme, and maybe a link to the font pacakge, to be nice and stuff :) |
| 21:20.16 | I_Died_Once | let us know if you get the desired effect |
| 21:20.18 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, that's your font |
| 21:20.25 | ToughShooter | I played with it, that's why I am asking |
| 21:20.37 | JeffM2501 | go look at the code |
| 21:20.41 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda complex |
| 21:20.43 | I_Died_Once | undertaker - what distro are you using? |
| 21:20.43 | ToughShooter | If _rainType is bubble then I get the desired effect |
| 21:20.53 | JeffM2501 | Thonolan, bubble sets the speed to - |
| 21:20.55 | undertaker | debian sarge |
| 21:21.00 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, sorry |
| 21:21.04 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, what is your speed? |
| 21:21.08 | ToughShooter | otherwise _rainEndZ seems to be totally ignored :( |
| 21:21.11 | I_Died_Once | SO you want it to rain down, and you want the rain to stop falling short of the ground?? |
| 21:21.19 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, it is, if the speed isn't going the right way |
| 21:21.24 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, what do you want? |
| 21:21.28 | JeffM2501 | the rain to go up? |
| 21:21.31 | ToughShooter | The used _tankSpeed is the default |
| 21:21.37 | JeffM2501 | RAIN SPEED |
| 21:21.39 | JeffM2501 | not tanks peed |
| 21:21.53 | JeffM2501 | if you reverse your start and end, then you ALSO have to reverse your rainspeed |
| 21:21.53 | ToughShooter | No, I want it to rain from top to down until Z 17 |
| 21:22.02 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:22.09 | JeffM2501 | and what is your start? |
| 21:22.17 | I_Died_Once | so you want the rain to stop falling before it hits the ground |
| 21:22.23 | ToughShooter | _rainStartZ is 100 |
| 21:22.27 | JeffM2501 | that should be a viable option |
| 21:22.32 | JeffM2501 | and end is 17? |
| 21:22.32 | I_Died_Once | I might can figure it out for ya but I'd need admin access |
| 21:22.39 | ToughShooter | Yup |
| 21:22.45 | JeffM2501 | let me look at the code |
| 21:22.52 | ToughShooter | Well, it's only a test server no prob |
| 21:23.07 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: hmm. i notice that the images in the .png files have borders of orange and blue around them |
| 21:23.08 | undertaker | in fact, sound works fine in general, but bzflag complains about "no available audio device" |
| 21:23.14 | a_monkey | what is this |
| 21:23.17 | I_Died_Once | ahhhh |
| 21:23.22 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, probably crap |
| 21:23.26 | JeffM2501 | does it work? |
| 21:23.27 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery 84.176.23.30:5154 |
| 21:23.36 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: gonna test it out right now |
| 21:23.45 | ToughShooter | I_Died_Once: It's running there |
| 21:24.29 | I_Died_Once | undertaker - go to the options, audio settings... |
| 21:24.36 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, don't bother |
| 21:24.41 | I_Died_Once | and playw ith everything in there |
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| 21:25.58 | JeffM2501 | what is the default rain speed? |
| 21:26.03 | JeffM2501 | 10 or -10? |
| 21:26.50 | undertaker | I_Died_Once: sry, did'nt get your last message, you told me to have it done within options, and then? |
| 21:26.57 | ToughShooter | _rainSpeed is none by default |
| 21:28.00 | JeffM2501 | i see the bug |
| 21:28.22 | JeffM2501 | when the the change to make rain stop on rooftops was made, it was busted |
| 21:28.51 | JeffM2501 | are you culling rooftops? |
| 21:29.18 | JeffM2501 | it's on by default |
| 21:29.31 | JeffM2501 | try turning _rainRoofs to 0 |
| 21:30.55 | JeffM2501 | the code needs to be changed to check and see if the rooftop is inside the rain range, and if not clap at the range |
| 21:32.10 | ToughShooter | Setting _rainRoofs to 0 made it work the way I wanted it |
| 21:32.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:32.29 | ToughShooter | ...but I've no clue what this variable does |
| 21:32.41 | JeffM2501 | it makes the rain stop when it hits an object |
| 21:32.49 | JeffM2501 | if you have an object that is above 71 |
| 21:32.52 | JeffM2501 | 17 |
| 21:32.55 | JeffM2501 | the rain will go "thru" it |
| 21:33.06 | ToughShooter | There are objects that are higher |
| 21:33.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking at fixing it now |
| 21:33.20 | JeffM2501 | then they will not stop the rain |
| 21:34.30 | I_Died_Once | ..and I wonder... still I wonder.... |
| 21:34.36 | I_Died_Once | Whoooo stopped the raaaaiiiinnnn |
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| 21:35.14 | I_Died_Once | shhhhh, RPG is back |
| 21:35.18 | I_Died_Once | topic change, quick |
| 21:35.30 | RPG_ | heh |
| 21:36.02 | RPG_ | about the plugin? |
| 21:36.03 | ToughShooter | That means the collision detecting is buggy? |
| 21:36.12 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 21:36.26 | JeffM2501 | the code for it just didn't know to use the rain end z |
| 21:36.34 | JeffM2501 | as a limit |
| 21:36.47 | JeffM2501 | so if it didn't hit a box, it just ended at 0 |
| 21:36.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm puting in more checks to make it use the end z |
| 21:37.21 | JeffM2501 | so it looks to see what it hits first, the roof or the end z |
| 21:38.24 | ToughShooter | That sounds much better |
| 21:40.23 | RPG_ | pah |
| 21:40.24 | RPG_ | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/21324 |
| 21:40.39 | RPG_ | lib file == 2:00 PM today |
| 21:40.43 | RPG_ | bzfs == 2:00 PM today |
| 21:41.19 | JeffM2501 | don't define your config parser 2x |
| 21:41.50 | I_Died_Once | so I offered l4m3r adminship - the fool reads over my deal and replies "that looks like common sense" to something that said to re-write what I wrote. Dummy didn't "get it" |
| 21:42.11 | RPG_ | kinda like when I didn't put bzflag in the subject line? |
| 21:42.18 | I_Died_Once | close to it |
| 21:42.28 | I_Died_Once | a notch or two worse, if you ask me |
| 21:43.10 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.19 | I_Died_Once | thats always a pleasant surprise |
| 21:43.21 | RPG_ | lol |
| 21:43.27 | RPG_ | do you remember which one? |
| 21:43.31 | I_Died_Once | nah |
| 21:43.39 | I_Died_Once | it was a random generated map |
| 21:43.55 | I_Died_Once | it might have been one of trop's or something |
| 21:44.18 | I_Died_Once | being admin isnt even anything special anymore |
| 21:44.35 | RPG_ | i've only made one ban in my life |
| 21:44.52 | DTRemenak | consider yourself lucky, RPG_ |
| 21:44.53 | RPG_ | and i have like 5 servers to patrol |
| 21:44.59 | I_Died_Once | but can you say that you were ever on the masterbanlist? |
| 21:45.06 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:45.09 | RPG_ | rofl |
| 21:45.18 | I_Died_Once | I made it within 24 hours of my bzflag debut |
| 21:45.29 | I_Died_Once | woot woot |
| 21:46.05 | I_Died_Once | I couldn't even resolve the forums to post a distress call |
| 21:46.07 | I_Died_Once | I was so pissed |
| 21:46.18 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once, actually you got one better, we firewalled you off of my.bzflag.org entirely |
| 21:46.40 | RPG_ | jeffm, ? |
| 21:46.40 | I_Died_Once | nice |
| 21:46.44 | DTRemenak | 'cause we didn't have a mechanism to block a server from the list server at that time |
| 21:46.54 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, ? |
| 21:47.02 | RPG_ | was it just a sample ban? |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM2501 | I baned that Patlabor guy, he's a jerk |
| 21:47.27 | RPG_ | oh |
| 21:47.31 | I_Died_Once | I heard Mr ApathyCream was the REAL troublemaker |
| 21:47.46 | JeffM2501 | thou shalt not diz the MAC |
| 21:47.49 | RPG_ | he's moderator on one of the BZBB forms IIRC |
| 21:48.28 | I_Died_Once | its someone's alter ego, I'm sure |
| 21:49.14 | DTRemenak | what makes you so sure? |
| 21:49.15 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:49.18 | JeffM2501 | it's mr apathy cream |
| 21:49.22 | JeffM2501 | the one and only |
| 21:49.34 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, you could say it's MBFG's alter ego :) |
| 21:49.44 | JeffM2501 | best not to speak about things that are before your time boy;) |
| 21:49.52 | JeffM2501 | MBFG is the alter |
| 21:49.58 | JeffM2501 | MAC is the OG |
| 21:50.12 | DTRemenak | when you're inhabiting one doesn't the other become an alter? |
| 21:50.20 | DTRemenak | that's how I always understood it |
| 21:50.26 | DTRemenak | maybe I'm just screwed up |
| 21:50.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he puts his mac on at least once a week |
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| 21:51.46 | DTRemenak | I'm still curious what made I_Died_Once think MAC was someone's alter ego though :) |
| 21:53.16 | I_Died_Once | sorry, I was away |
| 21:53.27 | I_Died_Once | I swear I read somethign SOEMwhere that it is an alias... |
| 21:53.29 | I_Died_Once | oh nm |
| 21:53.59 | JeffM2501 | he as 2 names |
| 21:54.07 | JeffM2501 | he goes by that and MeBigFatGuy |
| 21:59.19 | JeffM2501 | just posted P4/Athalong SSE and P3 SSE windows binarys on bzbb if anyone wants to test em. |
| 21:59.35 | RPG_ | can you compile it to be 64-bit? |
| 21:59.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:59.46 | JeffM2501 | not with my VC |
| 21:59.51 | RPG_ | oh |
| 21:59.58 | RPG_ | wouldn't you need to run win64? |
| 22:00.08 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 22:00.14 | JeffM2501 | the 64 bit stuff is all in VC8 |
| 22:00.19 | RPG_ | that'd be awesome |
| 22:00.23 | JeffM2501 | and I'm not going down that road |
| 22:00.27 | RPG_ | make use of my AMD 64 processor |
| 22:00.30 | JeffM2501 | why? I don't think it would speed us up much |
| 22:00.33 | JeffM2501 | if any at all |
| 22:00.39 | JeffM2501 | you are using your 64 bit CPU |
| 22:01.09 | JeffM2501 | we only do floats, so it's better for you to do 2 ops in a shot, then waste it doing a larger 64 bit op |
| 22:01.20 | JeffM2501 | when it dosn't get you anything |
| 22:01.51 | JeffM2501 | try the P4/athalon one I posted |
| 22:01.56 | RPG_ | ok |
| 22:02.01 | JeffM2501 | it will use more of the stuff your CPU offers |
| 22:02.04 | RPG_ | after i work out this plugin |
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| 22:03.25 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (31 files in 11 dirs): add 2 new build configs that offer more optimisations |
| 22:03.40 | RPG_ | heh, this makes no sense: |
| 22:03.40 | RPG_ | g:\Programs\bzflag\plugins\racetoseven\racetoseven.cpp(441) : error C2365: 'parseConfig' : redefinition; previous definition was a 'formerly unknown identifier' |
| 22:03.45 | RPG_ | but i know why |
| 22:03.47 | ToughShooter | Is Altivec (VMX) used on mac builds? |
| 22:04.00 | JeffM2501 | I don't think so |
| 22:04.11 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, because you have it defined more then once, or it dosn't know what it is |
| 22:04.15 | JeffM2501 | trace it form the top down |
| 22:04.31 | RPG_ | it was because i didn't write a prototype for it |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, I think you can do like -O2 or -O3 on your compiles tho |
| 22:04.46 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, all the project sub files got them too |
| 22:04.52 | JeffM2501 | for the mains and plugins |
| 22:04.56 | JeffM2501 | sorry DTRemenak |
| 22:05.05 | DTRemenak | oh, plugins |
| 22:05.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:05.11 | JeffM2501 | one dir per |
| 22:05.18 | DTRemenak | yeah, got it now |
| 22:05.35 | RPG_ | i dont think the standalone copy of VC++ does optimizations |
| 22:06.05 | JeffM2501 | it should |
| 22:06.14 | JeffM2501 | the student one's usualy don't |
| 22:06.18 | JeffM2501 | they just do "blended" |
| 22:06.25 | JeffM2501 | it's not bad |
| 22:06.28 | RPG_ | it's Visual C++.net Standard |
| 22:06.32 | JeffM2501 | it should |
| 22:06.37 | RPG_ | i'll try tonight |
| 22:06.38 | JeffM2501 | check under the optimisation section |
| 22:07.33 | RPG_ | "Build and deploy professional-grade applications using a powerful optimizing compiler" -- .NET PROFESSIONAL ONLY |
| 22:07.50 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:07.57 | JeffM2501 | then you just get the normal blended |
| 22:08.04 | JeffM2501 | that makes them work on all things |
| 22:08.08 | RPG_ | "only" is such a harsh word |
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| 22:16.34 | ToughShooter | RPG_: x86 processors have only limited floating point performance ;) |
| 22:26.54 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, classify that to mean "intel" x86 Cpus |
| 22:27.27 | RPG_ | racetoseven has a config parser |
| 22:28.13 | DTRemenak | all processors have limited floating point performance |
| 22:28.21 | JeffM2501 | as nothing is infinate |
| 22:28.40 | JeffM2501 | the AMD's kick the pants of the intel's tho |
| 22:28.53 | DTRemenak | with the potential exception of quantum procs, but since we don't have any of those yet, I'll disregard them. |
| 22:37.43 | JeffM2501 | probalby similar to the increase we get with sse |
| 22:37.47 | JeffM2501 | I did get some |
| 22:38.20 | JeffM2501 | tho it means no G3's for that build |
| 22:38.21 | ToughShooter | SSE is nothing against Altivec... |
| 22:38.42 | JeffM2501 | they are both sreaming instruction set interfaces |
| 22:38.52 | JeffM2501 | remember that the other CPU companys change stuff too |
| 22:39.11 | JeffM2501 | the origonal sse on the P3 is not the same as it is now in AMDs |
| 22:39.28 | ToughShooter | SSE is more general and give slight performance increase while Altivec is specific and has a high performance boost |
| 22:39.29 | JeffM2501 | your G5 is not magic, it's just difrent |
| 22:39.44 | JeffM2501 | ok belive what you want to |
| 22:40.01 | DTRemenak | Altivec is far better at some things. there are other things it's just about useless for. |
| 22:40.13 | ToughShooter | G5 has a less performant Altivec than the G4 |
| 22:40.22 | DTRemenak | it's a huge boost to Gromacs, for instance. I doubt it will affect bzflag very much. |
| 22:40.29 | JeffM2501 | and if it was so great, why they droping yon G5's ;) |
| 22:40.49 | JeffM2501 | the bigest change I saw with sse was octree generation on the server |
| 22:41.21 | ToughShooter | I was told gcc does bad altivec optimizations, though |
| 22:43.58 | JeffM2501 | client wise, I'd say the things that would benifit most form it would be the video drivers |
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| 22:45.07 | ToughShooter | Yup, I've ATI published new drivers for my card and turning off ansitropical filtering gave me some more FPS |
| 22:45.25 | JeffM2501 | that it would |
| 22:45.36 | JeffM2501 | anisotropic uses more card cycles |
| 22:45.39 | JeffM2501 | but looks really good |
| 22:46.07 | ToughShooter | Yeah, I was pretty impressed how good BZFlag looks with it but I only got 19FPS max with it |
| 22:46.20 | JeffM2501 | what cpu and card? |
| 22:46.52 | ToughShooter | PPC790@2GHZ, 667FSB, ATI Radeon 9600 again |
| 22:46.58 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 22:47.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd think it would do better |
| 22:47.21 | JeffM2501 | what res? |
| 22:47.35 | ToughShooter | s/PPC790/PPC970 |
| 22:47.48 | ToughShooter | 1680*1050 |
| 22:48.13 | ToughShooter | Same hardware that I've my GM probs :/ |
| 22:48.14 | JeffM2501 | 19 still seems rather low |
| 22:48.20 | JeffM2501 | well that's ATI |
| 22:48.38 | JeffM2501 | I recall geting a solid 30 with ani |
| 22:48.41 | JeffM2501 | and vsycn |
| 22:48.46 | JeffM2501 | at 1600 |
| 22:48.55 | ToughShooter | 16x? |
| 22:49.09 | JeffM2501 | what ever the maxes were |
| 22:49.12 | JeffM2501 | AA and ANI |
| 22:49.46 | JeffM2501 | maybe your only doing an AGP 2 or 4 x tho |
| 22:50.09 | ToughShooter | Mac OS X's OpenGL implementation is not so good, I was told |
| 22:50.22 | JeffM2501 | the GL is done by the driver |
| 22:50.49 | JeffM2501 | and sadly since ATI has apple do the PPC drivers, there will be no way for you to get good hardware accelaration on any other OS |
| 22:51.05 | JeffM2501 | I also was reading that the darwin kernel has some core problems that limit it's speed |
| 22:51.11 | ToughShooter | I have AGP 8x |
| 22:51.11 | JeffM2501 | when it needs other OS services |
| 22:51.17 | JeffM2501 | well that's good at least |
| 22:51.40 | JeffM2501 | I've seen comparisons that show apchie tanking like mad under the darwin kernel |
| 22:51.48 | JeffM2501 | as the number of processes increase |
| 22:52.17 | JeffM2501 | but then it's the kernel that did it |
| 22:52.20 | JeffM2501 | not the CPU |
| 22:53.06 | JeffM2501 | all things have there strenghts and weaknesses |
| 22:54.08 | DTRemenak | heh, ever seen apache/windows performance graphs? :) |
| 22:54.16 | blast007 | hehe :) |
| 22:54.19 | DTRemenak | those are always fun |
| 22:54.36 | JeffM2501 | ohh it's gotta suck |
| 22:54.58 | JeffM2501 | I don't belive windows is a devent server OS |
| 22:55.00 | DTRemenak | windows does not handle thread-spawning well :) |
| 22:55.10 | DTRemenak | and apache does a lot of it |
| 22:55.14 | JeffM2501 | that it does |
| 22:55.23 | JeffM2501 | that's why ISS does it so difrently I think |
| 22:55.42 | JeffM2501 | I mean apache was made for an OS that did it exceptionaly well |
| 22:55.47 | JeffM2501 | makes sense that it runs the best there |
| 22:55.48 | DTRemenak | yeah, exactly |
| 22:56.09 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, install linux |
| 22:56.13 | RPG_ | i did |
| 22:56.16 | DTRemenak | IIS is very different architecturally, because you can't do things the same way and have decent performance |
| 22:56.18 | JeffM2501 | then it ain't no exe |
| 22:56.19 | RPG_ | MS covered up the bootloader |
| 22:56.28 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, install linux LAST |
| 22:56.31 | RPG_ | hh |
| 22:56.32 | RPG_ | heh |
| 22:56.40 | RPG_ | that's a good suggestion |
| 22:56.42 | DTRemenak | you can always restore your bootloader too |
| 22:56.45 | JeffM2501 | just boot of a cd and have grub or lilo fix it'self |
| 22:56.45 | RPG_ | i tried |
| 22:56.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:56.55 | JeffM2501 | it's easy |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM2501 | or install system comander |
| 22:57.00 | RPG_ | i didn't have enough knowledge of it to fix the bootloader |
| 22:57.04 | JeffM2501 | grub on crack |
| 22:57.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:57.18 | DTRemenak | grub is already on crack JeffM2501 :) |
| 22:57.26 | JeffM2501 | ok grub on less crack |
| 22:57.37 | ToughShooter | Hmm, got 10FPS more but rico computation is way faster |
| 22:58.00 | JeffM2501 | system commander lets you multi boot most oses, even the ones that don't normaly support it, like 9x |
| 22:58.29 | DTRemenak | everything will let you boot 9x |
| 22:58.41 | JeffM2501 | multiple instals of 9x? |
| 22:58.48 | DTRemenak | grub will |
| 22:58.50 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:58.57 | DTRemenak | just have to have it auto-swap the bootable flag |
| 22:58.58 | JeffM2501 | system commander worked well with multi lang |
| 22:59.10 | JeffM2501 | we used to use it |
| 22:59.17 | JeffM2501 | then realised, hard drives are freaking cheap |
| 22:59.30 | DTRemenak | they all need to start at <20gb too, 'cause of some crazy limitation in io.sys. |
| 23:00.02 | bryjen | "no one will ever need more than...." |
| 23:00.26 | DTRemenak | oh they can be bigger than 20gb. well one can. |
| 23:00.38 | DTRemenak | just the first sector of the partition has to be below 20gb. |
| 23:00.59 | DTRemenak | it's not even a decently round number. I could understand 4gb. |
| 23:02.08 | bryjen | still, that tiny bit of code in io.sys was probly written by someone who couldn't concieve of a disk bigger that 20G |
| 23:02.26 | DTRemenak | probably so |
| 23:02.41 | DTRemenak | probably in 1982 or so too :) |
| 23:03.00 | RPG_ | 1982 was probably 512MB :) |
| 23:03.24 | bryjen | when did PC's get hard drives? |
| 23:04.00 | bryjen | before that, you wouldn't need to address more than a few K sectors |
| 23:04.26 | DTRemenak | I have a 1977 Morrow CP/M machine with a hard drive |
| 23:04.38 | DTRemenak | I assume IBM would have shipped them as an (expensive) option |
| 23:05.30 | learner | no one will ever need more than a 2^210 disk |
| 23:05.36 | DTRemenak | the PC/XT came standard with a HDD |
| 23:06.02 | bryjen | tens of megabytes |
| 23:06.04 | bryjen | ? |
| 23:06.12 | DTRemenak | 20mb, yeah |
| 23:06.40 | bryjen | ^210 ? |
| 23:08.35 | learner | bryjen, there are only so many atoms in the universe, that's about enough to represent the state of all of them in the universe we know about ;) |
| 23:09.03 | learner | it's a very big number |
| 23:09.12 | DTRemenak | 1.6e63? oh come on, there are probably at least 1e79 atoms in the universe |
| 23:09.35 | DTRemenak | and a full state would require more than one bit per atom |
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| 23:10.08 | DTRemenak | you'd need to represent charge, mass, and position of each one at least. |
| 23:10.29 | DTRemenak | and at reasonable accuracy |
| 23:10.54 | learner | hence why everyone generally talks about having a 300 qubit quantum computer ;) |
| 23:11.14 | DTRemenak | see now that would be fun |
| 23:11.36 | BIYA | I had an idea for a Hunt enhancement. Like there would be a distance of some sort, telling you how far away the tank is. |
| 23:12.03 | learner | with our current knowledge, encompassing state too is impractical/impossible |
| 23:12.23 | learner | since nobody really knows just how many dimensions are even involved |
| 23:12.24 | DTRemenak | hey, I didn't say it would be easy :P |
| 23:12.47 | learner | our puny 6 or 7 known? |
| 23:13.19 | DTRemenak | we don't need to necessarily know all that, we could do a simple relativistic state extrapolation and then observe to see how far off we were. |
| 23:13.39 | DTRemenak | string theory is thinking 11 right now, but that's, well, theoretical :) |
| 23:13.59 | learner | (but not the universe and everything) |
| 23:14.39 | learner | yeah, string's got some really interesting/bizzare theories |
| 23:15.21 | learner | to think of particles oscillating in and out of existence from alternate dimensions on a regular basis |
| 23:15.38 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 23:27.58 | JeffM2501 | well found one problem |
| 23:28.01 | JeffM2501 | I think it's shot ID |
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| 23:34.56 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (WorldWeapons.cxx WorldWeapons.h): increment the world weap shot counter |
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| 23:37.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, those are the only problems I see in the flow from plugin call to the message sent |
| 23:37.49 | DTRemenak | k, lemme try again |
| 23:39.23 | CIA-8 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldWeapons.cxx: init the time fired field to the server time, even tho it's not really used |
| 23:39.32 | JeffM2501 | I walked it full in the debuger and all the data went where it was suposed to |
| 23:39.51 | JeffM2501 | if it still happens, then I'd try it sans optimiations ( if you are doing any ) and walk it |
| 23:40.09 | JeffM2501 | there are so few variables you can see who inits what |
| 23:40.41 | DTRemenak | I'm running -g -O0, no opt |
| 23:40.51 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:40.52 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:40.57 | JeffM2501 | then it's the same as me in debug mode |
| 23:41.46 | JeffM2501 | now it coulda been screwing you up if the shotID I was using (0) was allready in use |
| 23:41.57 | JeffM2501 | could be easy in the old code since it didn't increment |
| 23:42.15 | JeffM2501 | puting code AFTER a return; is unwise I found out ;) |
| 23:43.15 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 23:43.44 | JeffM2501 | is rouge geno sill messed up? |
| 23:44.59 | DTRemenak | roguegeno appears to work ok |
| 23:45.04 | JeffM2501 | ok good |
| 23:45.46 | DTRemenak | no, I'm still getting the same crap with shockwaveDeath on |
| 23:45.53 | DTRemenak | turn shockwaveDeath off and everything is ok |
| 23:45.56 | JeffM2501 | I can't carsh |
| 23:46.11 | DTRemenak | I've only seen it crash once |
| 23:46.24 | JeffM2501 | just slap a breakpoint in the fire, and step thru in GDB with no valgrind |
| 23:46.25 | DTRemenak | usually it just gives me the "uninited memory access" thing |
| 23:46.26 | JeffM2501 | see what it does |
| 23:47.06 | JeffM2501 | With a little luck, a little cold blue steel |
| 23:47.06 | JeffM2501 | I cut the night like a razer blade |
| 23:47.06 | JeffM2501 | Till I feel the way I wanna feel |
| 23:47.15 | JeffM2501 | here's a raging fire in my heart tonight |
| 23:47.16 | JeffM2501 | Growing higher and higher in my soul |
| 23:47.16 | JeffM2501 | There's a raging fire in the sky tonight |
| 23:47.16 | JeffM2501 | I wanna ride on the silver dome far into the night |
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