| 00:00.04 | brad2901 | menotume: could it be that someone was trying to connect with a crappy dial-up connection? |
| 00:00.12 | menotume | dunno |
| 00:00.37 | brad2901 | ok |
| 00:00.43 | menotume | a sinlge packet udp write normally shouldn't get interrupted |
| 00:01.11 | menotume | was the server very busy ? |
| 00:01.23 | brad2901 | a few people, very laggy :) |
| 00:01.28 | menotume | hmm |
| 00:01.32 | brlcad | you have another game on your computer, don't you.. |
| 00:01.46 | brad2901 | ..maybe.. |
| 00:01.46 | menotume | i guess it could be udp buffer overflow |
| 00:01.52 | menotume | or even tcp |
| 00:02.12 | brlcad | all it means is that they disappeared |
| 00:02.18 | brlcad | unexpectedly |
| 00:02.20 | brad2901 | ah |
| 00:02.21 | menotume | ie, the kernel couldn't buffer the write, so it interrupted it |
| 00:02.25 | menotume | jsut guessing |
| 00:02.26 | brlcad | there are _lots_ of things that can cause that |
| 00:02.37 | brad2901 | right |
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| 00:17.52 | brad2901 | how can I get a teleporter to link to another random teleporter? |
| 00:17.59 | wegstar | umm.. |
| 00:18.08 | wegstar | wait.. I know this.. |
| 00:18.20 | menotume | tick, tock, tick |
| 00:18.24 | brad2901 | heh |
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| 00:18.50 | wegstar | ah |
| 00:18.52 | wegstar | from * |
| 00:18.55 | wegstar | to * |
| 00:19.04 | wegstar | and.. yeah |
| 00:19.05 | menotume | ding ! |
| 00:19.27 | brad2901 | ok |
| 00:19.30 | brad2901 | thx wegstar |
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| 00:21.40 | brad2901 | 1 more thing: Can I replace the numbers of each teleporter with the names? |
| 00:24.30 | brad2901 | The teleporter doesn't do anything now so I guess not :) |
| 00:27.45 | zoly | i just upgraded the client to the debian precompiled package, coming out today. seems to have two problems: 1. can't hit any opponent, can shoot myself though. opponents don't see my shots, and 2. jitter is something like -2361236423 ms |
| 00:28.05 | zoly | i'm defenseless now :( |
| 00:29.14 | zoly | pulling source now and compile it |
| 00:33.44 | orchid | on every server? |
| 00:34.27 | orchid | make sure udp is on |
| 00:35.18 | orchid | I seem to remember being a phantom tank becuase of that once |
| 00:35.24 | zoly | only tried one. udp was on before, i'll recheck as soon as compilation has finished |
| 00:35.56 | orchid | check a few servers as well |
| 00:36.52 | zoly | oh. compilation fails. some x86 dev libs missing. |
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| 00:37.23 | zoly | actually, header files. X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h |
| 00:37.41 | zoly | gonna hunt for them |
| 00:38.06 | RatOHome | take a gun with you |
| 00:38.21 | RatOHome | it's dangerous out there |
| 00:39.12 | zoly | definitely using udp |
| 00:41.23 | RatOHome | yeah, well. UDP can be dangerous, but I wouldn't count on it in a firefight. Not with header files, anyway |
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| 00:42.37 | Dhraakellian | I'm trying to get bzflag to still have sound while I'm playing music on my computer |
| 00:42.40 | zoly | can someone with debian do a dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h for me ? |
| 00:43.03 | TimRiker | xlibs-static-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h |
| 00:43.12 | zoly | thanks TimRiker |
| 00:43.40 | Dhraakellian | if I tell it to use dmix, the sound is a tad distorted. "echoey" isn't exactly the right way to say it, I think, but it's the closest description I can think of right now |
| 00:44.20 | Dhraakellian | is there any known way of getting sound to cooperate with other programs' sound without hardware mixing? |
| 00:45.14 | RatOHome | Dhraak: I know this is not helpful, but listening to music and playing bzflag seems a bit like mutually exclusive activities to me |
| 00:45.48 | Dhraakellian | RatOHome, my stats are probably just as good (or bad, as the case may be) either way |
| 00:46.38 | orchid | I love playing bzflag with loud music on |
| 00:46.50 | RatOHome | heh, at home I have a 5.5 year old to provide my background distraction. not that my stats would be any better without him |
| 00:46.55 | zoly | not in here. xlibs-static-dev 6.8.2 does not contain xf86vmode.h |
| 00:47.02 | Dhraakellian | I seem to remember having fun with Dvorak's 8th symphony on |
| 00:48.00 | RatOHome | Flight of the Valkeries (Wagner?) sounds like a good match |
| 00:48.01 | TimRiker | I'm on stable. YMMV |
| 00:48.14 | Dhraakellian | RatOHome, s/flight/ride/ |
| 00:48.20 | RatOHome | yes |
| 00:48.42 | orchid | I think Chestal plays In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida during matches :) |
| 00:51.02 | RatOHome | interesting choice |
| 00:51.33 | RatOHome | rather short, compared to some of those Plastical selection |
| 00:51.58 | zoly | some John Zorn i find not too bad. The not-too-confusing ones, like rockabilly, lungfull of water, city chase, strip central, and "you will be shot" |
| 00:52.24 | zoly | bikini atoll also works |
| 00:53.10 | zoly | and a bit of Mr.Bungle |
| 00:53.25 | RatOHome | OK, I think Otmar Liebert could work for me (sort of modern classical guitar stuff) |
| 00:54.27 | RatOHome | or Black Sabbath |
| 00:55.42 | zoly | some knorkator, like "the wereworm" |
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| 01:01.35 | zoly | broken cannon on other servers too |
| 01:02.24 | BIYA | Anyone needs words added to there filter? I got a list and it might help |
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| 01:52.54 | Dhraakellian | DTRemenak, BIYA asks if you could restart the hide-and-seek hills server |
| 01:53.18 | DTRemenak | momentarily |
| 01:53.24 | DTRemenak | I was rebuilding it |
| 01:53.40 | Dhraakellian | passed that on |
| 01:53.57 | Dhraakellian | recompiling? |
| 01:54.09 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:54.52 | DTRemenak | k, should be restarting |
| 01:54.55 | Dhraakellian | yep |
| 01:55.05 | Dhraakellian | I got disconnected, so I assumed that was it |
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| 01:59.19 | Tropican8 | Hey all, I was wondering if anyone could tell me where to find the libraries in CVS builds for the plugin API? I found bzfsapi.h but could not find bzfs.lib, which is present in the binaries. Should it not have been compiled along with the rest of BZFlag? |
| 01:59.46 | Tropican8 | oh yeah this is for Win32 |
| 01:59.56 | learner | bzfs.lib? :) |
| 02:00.10 | Tropican8 | yep its not there |
| 02:00.17 | Tropican8 | Do I need it? |
| 02:00.55 | learner | there is no such lib to my knowledge |
| 02:01.32 | learner | but then that's not in the extent of my knowledge too :) |
| 02:01.33 | silverfox | what library does the API use? |
| 02:01.34 | Tropican8 | I have one from the beta14 build. I can send it to you as proof lol. |
| 02:01.48 | Tropican8 | It uses bzfs.lib and bzfsapi.h |
| 02:01.55 | zoly | still broken cannon, after compiling from source. |
| 02:02.26 | zoly | hi trop |
| 02:02.31 | Tropican8 | hey zoly |
| 02:02.40 | Tropican8 | Trying to get plugins working on my server |
| 02:02.48 | zoly | lucky you |
| 02:03.02 | zoly | trying to get my gun working again |
| 02:03.07 | Tropican8 | lol |
| 02:03.59 | zoly | opponents don't see my bullets. i can't hit them. |
| 02:04.06 | Tropican8 | interesting |
| 02:04.19 | zoly | no, not at all |
| 02:04.37 | zoly | in fact, rather boring on the field |
| 02:04.41 | zoly | can only run away |
| 02:05.10 | Tropican8 | Hey have you had any problems with compiling bzadmin using pdcurses? |
| 02:05.39 | Tropican8 | It hasn't worked for me since brlcad made some changes a few days ago (you there brlcad?) |
| 02:06.05 | zoly | bzadmin did compile. 2.0.2 though |
| 02:06.24 | Tropican8 | oh well I'm talking about CVS since yesterday lol |
| 02:08.18 | silverfox | ~seen brlcad |
| 02:08.19 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #bzflag (8d 7h 28m 43s) #brlcad (8d 7h 28m 43s). Has said a total of 133 messages. Is idling for 2h 5m 53s |
| 02:08.29 | silverfox | right... |
| 02:08.41 | brlcad | Tropican8: the headers went through major restructuring/repairs |
| 02:09.25 | learner | necessary header housekeeping that was long overdue |
| 02:09.30 | learner | and probably more still needs to occur |
| 02:09.36 | brlcad | damn straight |
| 02:09.42 | Tropican8 | Yeah I saw in the CVS notes. It doesn't seem to build with pdcurses anymore. |
| 02:10.03 | learner | what was the error |
| 02:10.19 | Tropican8 | Sorry I closed the window of my compilier, lost the error message, I can compile it again though and get it |
| 02:10.27 | a_monkey | where's the source code file that confines the mouse in the bzflag window in windowed mode? |
| 02:10.41 | brlcad | a_monkey: in cvs :P |
| 02:14.14 | a_monkey | well, i mean, what's it called. :P |
| 02:14.28 | learner | see vee ess |
| 02:14.59 | a_monkey | you guys know what i'm talkin' about... |
| 02:15.45 | a_monkey | well i'll just have to look for myself then |
| 02:15.53 | a_monkey | darn, i thought i could be an irc sponge on this one |
| 02:15.56 | DTRemenak | Tropican8, bzfs.lib will be in src/bzfs/Debug or src/bzfs/Release depending which you built |
| 02:16.03 | learner | ~a_monkey++ |
| 02:16.08 | a_monkey | heheh |
| 02:17.08 | Tropican8 | great I just deleted my build to re-create that error for brlcad, thanks DTR I'll look for it next compile. |
| 02:17.19 | DTRemenak | that's assuming you're using visual c++ |
| 02:17.35 | brlcad | crazy talk |
| 02:18.27 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 02:18.35 | a_monkey | it looks like it should be in MainWindow.cxx |
| 02:20.49 | Tropican8 | DTR, I wasn't using Visual C++, I hate MS. Stuck on it for the time being, long story. I was using MinGW, just noticed there is a --enable-plugins switch in the config, lol |
| 02:21.06 | DTRemenak | mingw+msys ought to be able to build a bzfs that can use plugins but I haven't tried. dev-c++ can't do it at all afaik. |
| 02:21.29 | Tropican8 | yeah I know, didn't realize I needed that switch I mentioned above |
| 02:21.35 | DTRemenak | ah :) |
| 02:25.24 | orchid | Tupone: it is late |
| 02:25.39 | Tupone | hehe ciao |
| 02:26.02 | a_monkey | grabMouse() doesn't seem to work very well |
| 02:26.19 | Tropican8 | Hey DTR while I'm here do you happen to know why sound is muddy if you compile the client with MinGW? I already asked Jeff a week or two ago, but he said MinGW is just really funky and doesn't interface with the directx libs right. Is this true? He didn't sound completely convinced when he told me. |
| 02:26.25 | a_monkey | when you put your mouse at the top of the window, it pops down to the bottom |
| 02:26.33 | a_monkey | and vise versa |
| 02:26.38 | DTRemenak | Tropican8, you using SDL or DX? |
| 02:26.47 | Tropican8 | DirectX |
| 02:26.50 | brlcad | what're the framerates too? |
| 02:26.54 | Tupone | a_monkey: s/vise/vice/ |
| 02:27.06 | DTRemenak | should work ok then |
| 02:27.23 | brlcad | could be threading |
| 02:27.33 | Tropican8 | any workarounds? |
| 02:27.40 | brlcad | is the win32 sound separated out onto other thread like some systems? |
| 02:28.19 | a_monkey | Tupone: ah ok |
| 02:28.30 | Tupone | that is latin :) |
| 02:28.35 | a_monkey | oh |
| 02:28.36 | a_monkey | heh |
| 02:28.47 | learner | Tropican8, hard to work around a problem if you don't know what's causing it :) |
| 02:28.53 | Tropican8 | yes very |
| 02:29.06 | learner | right now you've narrowed it down to "mingw" .. so the 'workaround' would be to not use mingw |
| 02:29.13 | learner | narrow it down further :) |
| 02:29.34 | Tropican8 | lol, it has to do with MinGW and directsound libs and how they interact |
| 02:29.57 | learner | and just how do you know that? |
| 02:30.19 | Tropican8 | As I said earlier that was JeffM's theory I believe |
| 02:30.26 | learner | other than you compiled with mingw, and sound is through direct sound |
| 02:30.38 | learner | ahh, so .. heresay :) |
| 02:30.54 | learner | ~spell heresay |
| 02:31.03 | DTRemenak | heresy |
| 02:31.04 | Tupone | Tropican8: if you look at README.XMINGW you should get a link to the directx-header that mingw is missing |
| 02:31.05 | DTRemenak | that's it |
| 02:31.07 | learner | hehe |
| 02:31.10 | learner | hearsay |
| 02:31.20 | learner | heresy works too |
| 02:31.21 | Tropican8 | Its installed fine |
| 02:31.35 | learner | that was a fun game too :) |
| 02:31.35 | Tropican8 | lol |
| 02:31.45 | DTRemenak | yeah it was |
| 02:32.07 | DTRemenak | played many hours of coop heretic with my brother over ipx |
| 02:32.52 | Tropican8 | Heretic never did it for me. Doom was bloody fun though, literally. |
| 02:33.54 | Tropican8 | Tupone I have the lib installed fine, mingw is not missing anything |
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| 02:34.20 | Tropican8 | The sound is perfect, just muddy, no cracks. Its weird. |
| 02:34.35 | Tupone | if you say so. That is ok then. It work, no ? :) |
| 02:34.45 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:34.53 | Tropican8 | Yes, but it sounds different than other builds |
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| 02:35.21 | zoly | another effect with the current client is that bots are jumping around on the filed like mad, though lag is not very high |
| 02:35.46 | Tupone | Tropican8: do you think the compiler is causing the difference ? or the header/lib ? |
| 02:36.01 | Tropican8 | I should post samples or something on bzbb. Its almost like the sound was downsampled. I really don't know. |
| 02:36.22 | Tropican8 | Jeff seemed to think it was how MinGW used the libs/headers |
| 02:36.36 | Tropican8 | I can't say myself for certain |
| 02:37.07 | Tropican8 | I'm using August's DirectX SDK if that matters |
| 02:38.26 | Tropican8 | I would really like to know if this problem occurs with just me or with other people too, for all I know its something I'm doing wrong. (Though the libs are in the right place, dunno what it could be) |
| 02:38.52 | DTRemenak | Tropican8, try commenting out configure.ac:549 |
| 02:39.04 | Tropican8 | Sure, what does it do? |
| 02:40.36 | DTRemenak | tells it to only use half of the available audio samples |
| 02:40.56 | Tropican8 | that's exactly what it sounds like, may be it |
| 02:42.25 | zoly | now after having fallen back to an older previous pre-compiled version, i can hit tanks again. |
| 02:42.35 | Tropican8 | lol zoly |
| 02:42.52 | Tropican8 | Hey brlcad, I got the error message from building with pdcurses for you |
| 02:43.31 | zoly | thus, both compiled from source, as well as installing todays debian precompiled 2.0.2 client shows the same problem, which previous 2.0.2 precompiled client does not show |
| 02:44.21 | Tropican8 | .tcc:102 error: expected unqualified-id before |
| 02:44.29 | Tropican8 | tcc:104 error: expected unqualified-id before |
| 02:44.37 | learner | paste it to pastebin |
| 02:44.50 | learner | the whole error and compile line |
| 02:44.57 | Tropican8 | sure how? |
| 02:45.02 | learner | ~pastebin |
| 02:45.03 | ibot | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca |
| 02:46.35 | Tupone | learner: buena noche |
| 02:46.48 | zoly | also, jumpiness of bot motion has disappeared with previous precompiled package |
| 02:47.13 | learner | buona notte signore |
| 02:47.16 | Tupone | :) |
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| 02:47.42 | zoly | thus, current debian sid bzflag client seems broken |
| 02:47.52 | zoly | current as of today |
| 02:49.54 | Tropican8 | Here's the relavent portion of the compiling: http://pastebin.ca/20292 |
| 02:52.30 | learner | looks like a bug in sstream |
| 02:52.47 | learner | or a symbol is #define'd, i.e. namespace clobbering of some sort |
| 02:52.54 | Tropican8 | any ideas learner? didn't happen until the cleanup a few days ago |
| 02:53.25 | brlcad | yeah, look in that line in sstream.tcc |
| 02:53.29 | brlcad | what does it say? |
| 02:53.43 | Tropican8 | brb |
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| 02:54.23 | Tropican8 | line 642, 102, or 104? |
| 02:54.30 | learner | 102/104 |
| 02:56.03 | brlcad | could try just removing that header, see just how required it is |
| 02:59.50 | brlcad | ~dict aupair |
| 03:01.27 | orchid | ~dict au pair |
| 03:01.51 | learner | heh |
| 03:02.10 | learner | who woulda thunk.. that there's a word for that |
| 03:02.45 | learner | two words even! |
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| 03:07.37 | Tropican8 | Very sorry that took so long, here are those lines http://pastebin.ca/20293 |
| 03:09.52 | brlcad | you sure those are the right lines? |
| 03:09.59 | Tropican8 | absolutly not lol |
| 03:10.15 | Tropican8 | I had to get another text editor quick and its spotty |
| 03:10.20 | brlcad | lemme guess.. you actually counted lines :) |
| 03:10.41 | Tropican8 | lol if I did it would be right |
| 03:10.56 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:11.32 | Tropican8 | how can an editor feed me the wrong line lol? Someone throw me a link to a high quality one please |
| 03:11.47 | DTRemenak | http://www.vim.org/ |
| 03:11.50 | brlcad | http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html |
| 03:12.01 | Tropican8 | not the vi emacs war please lol |
| 03:12.16 | blast007 | :) |
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| 03:14.34 | orchid | Bram Moolenaar and Richard Stallman should have a smackdown and end it once and for all |
| 03:14.40 | learner | Tropican8, do you actually need bzadmin? |
| 03:14.59 | learner | it's the last thing to build, you could just ignore it and get on with life ;) |
| 03:15.21 | DTRemenak | since he took the trouble to set up pdcurses, I'm betting he uses bzadmin ;) |
| 03:15.38 | Tropican8 | yes |
| 03:16.11 | Tropican8 | I'm being swamped with Private messages trying to work around them... sry for all of this wait guys |
| 03:18.29 | Tropican8 | yay got them! all it says is (not a lot, hope it isn't flooding) |
| 03:18.29 | Tropican8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.29 | Tropican8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.29 | learner | hrm, that's even more useless |
| 03:19.59 | Tropican8 | lol after all that, I have like 4 text editors on my machine now, all are being dumped but vim |
| 03:20.27 | Tropican8 | that doesn't make much sense, that line |
| 03:20.53 | learner | i don't think those are the right lines either, what's before that public: ? |
| 03:21.16 | Tropican8 | vim numbers the lines, they are right unless its wrapping lines or something |
| 03:21.47 | brlcad | what's before the public:? |
| 03:22.32 | Tropican8 | http://pastebin.ca/20295 |
| 03:25.50 | learner | that's what's before? |
| 03:25.56 | Tropican8 | yes |
| 03:26.29 | learner | how about just pasting all 110 first lines or something :) |
| 03:26.36 | Tropican8 | should I just upload the file or something lol? |
| 03:26.39 | learner | still missing context |
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| 03:29.30 | Tropican8 | I feel really embarresed. I did indeed have the wrong file (same name though, different location) you can all shoot me now |
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| 03:29.47 | creeperz | ~seen death_barrel |
| 03:29.47 | ibot | death_barrel <~Death@adsl-70-247-47-30.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzleague, 22d 4h 18m 42s ago, saying: 'cya later'. |
| 03:30.48 | orchid | lol |
| 03:30.49 | Tropican8 | lol |
| 03:31.05 | learner | nice dtr :) |
| 03:31.16 | orchid | DTRemenak: I put the name in bold red in my root prompts for that reason |
| 03:31.35 | DTRemenak | that's not a bad idea |
| 03:32.32 | orchid | \[\e[41;1m\]\h:\w\$ \[\e[0m\] |
| 03:33.15 | Tropican8 | Here's the whole file http://pastebin.ca/20298 |
| 03:33.46 | DTRemenak | heh, 102 and 104 are std::max and std::min |
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| 03:36.06 | Tropican8 | Well I'm going to go, is there anything else you guys want to see from my system? |
| 03:36.15 | learner | :) |
| 03:36.44 | learner | Tropican8, define HAVE_STD__MAX and HAVE_STD__MIN |
| 03:36.59 | DTRemenak | learner: shouldn't that, uh, be taken care of by configure? |
| 03:37.11 | learner | it should |
| 03:37.22 | learner | and were he not leaving, i'd like a peek at his config.log |
| 03:37.33 | Tropican8 | I can send that too quick |
| 03:37.57 | brlcad | Tropican8: make CPPFLAGS="-DHAVE_STD__MIN -DHAVE_STD__MAX" should get past that build problem |
| 03:38.33 | Tropican8 | ok I'll try that. Thank you all very very much for helping me and putting up with my ignorance |
| 03:38.40 | brlcad | and why it's only failing there is bizarre |
| 03:38.46 | brlcad | maybe a non-clean build |
| 03:39.08 | brlcad | or sstream includes it's own min/max |
| 03:39.52 | Tropican8 | It has something to do with what you cleaned up the day before last, it worked fine before |
| 03:40.07 | Tropican8 | I doubt that's a coincidence |
| 03:40.17 | learner | no, it's directly related |
| 03:40.29 | learner | but _where_ it's failing is bizarre |
| 03:40.42 | Tropican8 | weird |
| 03:40.44 | learner | it should have failed well well before this |
| 03:40.48 | Tropican8 | lol |
| 03:41.30 | learner | does your config.log say you have std::min and std::max? |
| 03:41.42 | learner | or/er, look in include/config.h |
| 03:42.33 | learner | it could simply be an issue of not having run autogen.sh and configure |
| 03:42.44 | Tropican8 | oh no I did |
| 03:42.49 | learner | and make clean? |
| 03:43.00 | Tropican8 | make clean I did not, just make |
| 03:43.09 | Tropican8 | should I be doing make clean? |
| 03:43.23 | Tropican8 | I'm new to compiling if you haven't noticed |
| 03:43.59 | learner | more informative would be whether you have HAVE_STD__MIN/MAX in your include/config.h |
| 03:44.48 | Tropican8 | no I don't |
| 03:45.17 | Tropican8 | Also DTR was right about the audio being played at half the sampling rate, that's in there too |
| 03:45.34 | DTRemenak | I know it's in there, did taking it out help or hurt? |
| 03:45.45 | learner | :) |
| 03:46.06 | Tropican8 | I haven't tried compling the client again actually, too caught up in bzadmin pdcurses |
| 03:46.19 | learner | so.. config.log? |
| 03:47.30 | brlcad | could be an unfortunate use of 'comparable' for the type name |
| 03:47.59 | brlcad | I could have gone with something a lil less likely to collide |
| 03:48.36 | Tropican8 | I'm trying to send that config.log, file is too bug for pastebin |
| 03:49.49 | brlcad | just hunt for std::min and look for the chunk that actually looks like a compilation line and compilation output |
| 03:49.53 | brlcad | that's all that's needed |
| 03:50.03 | Tropican8 | k |
| 03:51.32 | Tropican8 | #define HAVE_STD__MAX 1 |
| 03:51.33 | Tropican8 | #define HAVE_STD__MIN 1 |
| 03:51.36 | Tropican8 | hmm |
| 03:52.42 | learner | no, the lines that look like compile lines |
| 03:52.58 | Tropican8 | sorry, looking... |
| 03:53.58 | Tropican8 | would the word min or max be on them? dumb question, maybe not |
| 03:55.03 | Tropican8 | because there is no compile line with that in the file |
| 03:56.18 | learner | there'll be a lil chunk that says checking for std::min |
| 03:56.39 | learner | something that looks like a small c proggie, then what should be a compiler error |
| 03:57.02 | Tropican8 | if it says checking for std::min exactly, there's nothing like that in there |
| 03:58.45 | Tropican8 | I've just gone through the whole file looking for every line with the word 'checking' now, nothing |
| 04:01.02 | learner | hrm |
| 04:01.22 | brlcad | e-mail your config.log |
| 04:01.27 | Tropican8 | ok |
| 04:01.40 | Tropican8 | address? |
| 04:01.45 | Tropican8 | thx |
| 04:03.04 | Tropican8 | sent it |
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| 04:28.26 | brlcad | Tropican8: yeah, that looks like a dirty build |
| 04:28.44 | Tropican8 | ok, what do I have to do differently? |
| 04:28.51 | brlcad | start fresh |
| 04:29.06 | Tropican8 | ok, that's easy |
| 04:29.07 | brlcad | either delete and checkout again, or run make clean |
| 04:29.31 | Tropican8 | I already deleted and checked out again, but this has happend multiple times |
| 04:30.33 | Tropican8 | should I try make CPPFLAGS="-DHAVE_STD__MIN -DHAVE_STD__MAX"? |
| 04:31.47 | brlcad | no, you should try a make clean and ./configure && make ;) |
| 04:33.13 | Tropican8 | but if I delete and checkout again isn't it the same thing? |
| 04:33.38 | learner | depends from when the checkout is/was |
| 04:33.58 | Tropican8 | All my checkouts have been from todayu |
| 04:35.00 | Tropican8 | Is there anything more I can do? |
| 04:35.31 | brlcad | yes, you can try the make clean && ./configure && make |
| 04:35.37 | Tropican8 | doing it now |
| 04:36.51 | brlcad | if that fails, try running again, but capture each step to a log file |
| 04:37.01 | brlcad | e.g. ./configure > configure.log |
| 04:37.05 | Tropican8 | ok |
| 04:37.07 | brlcad | e.g. ./configure 2> configure.log |
| 04:37.19 | brlcad | bah, ./configuree > configure.log 2>&1 |
| 04:38.02 | brlcad | same for make |
| 04:38.11 | brlcad | then e-mail them to me if it still fails |
| 04:38.18 | Tropican8 | I'll try that. Thank you so much for your help. |
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| 06:02.34 | brad2901 | Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong: http://pastebin.com/339664 ? It was working the other day, I just updated CVS and it doesn't work now. :(9 |
| 06:03.58 | silverfox | Well, you're compiling with an error. you'll have to fix the error before compiling. |
| 06:04.06 | silverfox | ;) |
| 06:04.49 | silverfox | ~silverfox |
| 06:04.50 | ibot | somebody said silverfox was a troll. |
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| 06:07.49 | brad2901 | SilverFox: I know how to fix the warning, but as for the linking errors.. |
| 06:21.58 | silverfox | brad2901, I know nothing. I'm just being honery. |
| 06:22.56 | brad2901 | :) |
| 06:29.23 | trepan | honery: to be disagreeable while in an aroused state |
| 06:34.52 | orange | lol |
| 06:36.11 | silverfox | that's great. |
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| 13:36.33 | Grumbler | good morning, guten tag, god dag.....etc, etc, etc |
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| 13:37.22 | menotume | Grumble |
| 13:37.30 | menotume | |zongo|: !! |
| 13:47.16 | |zongo| | menotume!!!! |
| 13:47.23 | jpa_ | menoooo! |
| 13:48.35 | jpa_ | my idol <3 |
| 13:50.25 | menotume | lol, hellos, jpa_ ! |
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| 15:15.07 | meacan | bzfsapi-question: if i join as observer and look in the bz_PlayerRecord structure, then player->team == eRabbitTeam. Is bz_eTeamType only for use with messages? |
| 15:20.25 | meacan | forget that, i need a break :) |
| 15:20.25 | TheLastSpartan | I've never heard of that, i need a break :), meacan! |
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| 15:50.59 | meacan | such wonders a cvs update brings (bug fixed) |
| 15:57.13 | trepan | Chestal: you are invisible, i am batman |
| 16:00.19 | menotume | lol trepan |
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| 16:01.54 | Demon[work] | hello guys |
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| 16:07.31 | Demon[work] | question: sometimes in the game i hear sound as alarm for a short. tried to determine what event triggers it but cannot. what means when it is played? |
| 16:08.18 | meacan | When someone pick up you teams flag, you will hear a alarm |
| 16:08.29 | Demon[work] | ah thanks. |
| 16:09.20 | Birdie | hey orchid |
| 16:09.27 | orchid | hello |
| 16:10.40 | menotume | hellos |
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| 16:13.54 | orchid | ~pastebin |
| 16:13.54 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 16:16.33 | orchid | :) no, I'm very much avoiding c++ at the moment |
| 16:16.40 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:16.56 | JeffM2501 | did it melt your brain? or just better things to do in life? ;) |
| 16:17.20 | trepan | ~menotume++ advance credit |
| 16:17.28 | menotume | lol, thx :) |
| 16:17.31 | orchid | nah, need to do lots more in C first so thats what I'm trying to stick with |
| 16:17.45 | menotume | good plan |
| 16:18.52 | orchid | ~karma menotume |
| 16:18.52 | ibot | menotume has karma of 36 |
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| 16:35.51 | JeffM2501 | holly crap SF s slow, I just got the email from a bug I fixed yesterday |
| 16:37.00 | ToughShooter | Is there any way to find out what is causing it? Without effects it gets up to 315ms. |
| 16:37.19 | JeffM2501 | GM itself just generates more trafic |
| 16:37.38 | JeffM2501 | so it is expectd that you go up a bit when you fire them ( your computer sends out the guidance udates ) |
| 16:37.40 | ToughShooter | It seems to depend on locking at players |
| 16:37.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:37.52 | JeffM2501 | more guidance updates when locked on |
| 16:38.01 | JeffM2501 | not locked, it just goes straight |
| 16:38.02 | JeffM2501 | no updates |
| 16:38.17 | ToughShooter | I can only host 7 players with 10 shots, is it the bandwidth? |
| 16:38.28 | JeffM2501 | what is your upstream bandwith? |
| 16:38.37 | JeffM2501 | 10 shots is a lot of shot updates |
| 16:38.41 | JeffM2501 | shots are big bandwith suckers |
| 16:38.47 | ToughShooter | 128Kb I think but I'm not sure on the unit |
| 16:38.51 | JeffM2501 | oh wow |
| 16:38.57 | JeffM2501 | and you get 7 with 10? |
| 16:38.59 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 16:39.12 | JeffM2501 | that should only host like 2-3 |
| 16:39.15 | JeffM2501 | with a couple shots |
| 16:39.45 | ToughShooter | then it's maybe 128KB. I'll look it up, moment please |
| 16:39.57 | JeffM2501 | http://www.dslreports.com/stest |
| 16:40.04 | JeffM2501 | run one of those speed tests |
| 16:40.08 | JeffM2501 | it'll tell you your up and down |
| 16:41.24 | ToughShooter | There're at another continent... |
| 16:42.34 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.27 | ToughShooter | Is this enough for GM or should I increase upload capacity per second? |
| 16:44.30 | JeffM2501 | now aare you the server? |
| 16:44.33 | JeffM2501 | or just the client? |
| 16:44.42 | ToughShooter | A client on SP |
| 16:44.47 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl be enough |
| 16:44.55 | JeffM2501 | but with a lot of stuff, you can flood out |
| 16:45.09 | JeffM2501 | also your far away from SP, so you lag will be high |
| 16:45.17 | JeffM2501 | stupid speed of light delay |
| 16:45.35 | ToughShooter | Yes, 220ms from home, 165ms from university |
| 16:46.04 | ToughShooter | My university has a somewhat better routing :( |
| 16:46.07 | JeffM2501 | by how much does your lag change when you fire GM? |
| 16:46.20 | JeffM2501 | your uni has a fater pipe :) |
| 16:47.06 | ToughShooter | It goes from 220 +-1ms up to 350 +-30ms on average |
| 16:47.23 | JeffM2501 | so like 50%ish higher |
| 16:47.32 | JeffM2501 | that does seem a little high |
| 16:47.35 | JeffM2501 | but it does send out a lot more updates |
| 16:47.37 | ToughShooter | Absolute no lag problems with laser |
| 16:47.47 | JeffM2501 | lazer dosn't curve in flight :) |
| 16:47.58 | JeffM2501 | basicly because GM has to "Steer" it sends out more data |
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| 16:48.04 | JeffM2501 | so that everyone sees where it goes |
| 16:48.12 | zoly | brad2901, awake ? |
| 16:48.17 | zoly | g'day btw |
| 16:48.27 | brad2901 | zoly, yes |
| 16:48.29 | brad2901 | hi :) |
| 16:48.29 | JeffM2501 | once a laser is fired, everyone can figure out where it will bounce, because the static world never changes. |
| 16:48.42 | zoly | ToK want to match. syntox too. are you in for it ? |
| 16:48.44 | JeffM2501 | but a GM has to work based on who is locked on, and where they are moving. |
| 16:48.53 | brad2901 | sure |
| 16:49.05 | zoly | nice. meet on 5154 ? |
| 16:49.08 | brad2901 | o |
| 16:49.08 | brad2901 | k |
| 16:49.10 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, are there any other servers closer to you that you can test on? |
| 16:49.10 | zoly | cy |
| 16:49.13 | JeffM2501 | like guLeauge? |
| 16:49.15 | ToughShooter | If the upload speed for GM on this server is high enough then why should it raise my lag? |
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| 16:49.27 | JeffM2501 | to see if you also get a similare % lag increase? |
| 16:50.02 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, it's not just the speed, it's how much data it can send before it gets floded. |
| 16:50.03 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I have 50-60ms lag on viper but I can't hold GM there for more than 10 seconds. Also there are only 5 shots |
| 16:50.21 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, we need some way to test it |
| 16:51.04 | JeffM2501 | ir could jsut be that part of the pipe between you and SP is near capactiy, and the extra GM data just sends it over the limit |
| 16:51.30 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, does it not happen on servers that arn't 10 shots? |
| 16:51.55 | ToughShooter | I had lag raising also on that fair grounds server in 1.x |
| 16:52.14 | ToughShooter | that was 7 shots and not as high as with the new effects |
| 16:52.23 | JeffM2501 | well can't really think of anything else with out trying it localy |
| 16:52.39 | JeffM2501 | you may ask around and see if there are servers near you, or if somone can set up a test server in germany for you. |
| 16:53.00 | JeffM2501 | when your base lag is that high, it's hard to know where problems come from |
| 16:53.24 | ToughShooter | GU has no GM, Viper has but only 5 shots and skilled opponents and then the 1vs1 servers with no flags at all. I don't know more |
| 16:53.25 | JeffM2501 | too many posiblitys that can happen betwene you and Arizona where the server is |
| 16:53.39 | JeffM2501 | I don't know ether |
| 16:54.02 | ToughShooter | ping Pimpinella |
| 16:54.07 | JeffM2501 | ask the gu people if they can set up a test server for you to help test the problem |
| 16:54.53 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: That's why I pinged in my last message...trying to get some temporary server 5KM near me |
| 16:54.58 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:55.53 | JeffM2501 | this is yet another reason why doing shot strat on clients is stupid |
| 16:56.22 | ToughShooter | Well, there's still interleaving in my home connections so packets will be send slightly out of order |
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| 16:57.15 | JeffM2501 | ewww |
| 16:57.58 | ToughShooter | It's not that much but it causes my usual 1ms base jitter I suppose |
| 17:21.31 | Demon[work] | bye guys |
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| 17:49.53 | JeffM2501 | noone would know you did it |
| 17:50.01 | JeffM2501 | many people run with custom texture sets |
| 17:50.39 | Birdie | but how can it give advantage actually? |
| 17:50.57 | JeffM2501 | it can't really |
| 17:51.07 | JeffM2501 | tanks are the same size |
| 17:51.12 | JeffM2501 | same shape |
| 17:51.18 | JeffM2501 | and don't show thru anything they didn't before |
| 17:51.31 | JeffM2501 | the people who ban you are just REALY stuck up |
| 17:52.45 | JeffM2501 | techincaly a server operator can ban you for any reason they want |
| 17:52.59 | Birdie | my friends neighbour got a hardware ban on ET cause he changed some skins |
| 17:53.16 | JeffM2501 | then that server op was prety lame |
| 17:54.43 | Birdie | hardware bans are cool though, much better than ip" bans, is it possible to put that in bzflag? |
| 17:55.07 | Birdie | cause you cant keep changing hardware every minute like some change ip:s |
| 17:55.59 | ToughShooter | If you have the source you can make the client sending wrong hardware info and it's not of use against cheaters therefore |
| 17:57.46 | Birdie | hmm good point |
| 17:59.46 | ToughShooter | It can be helpful for banning not technically skilled people however but once there's an easy mod out there to change it those bans have the risk of becomming useles... |
| 18:08.11 | Chestal | JeffM2501: I'm ponderign whether it is a good idea to add an automatic type conversion from bzApiSting to std::string |
| 18:12.46 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, in an open source game, you can't really do a "hardware ban" because somone can just hack out the code that send the hardware ID. |
| 18:13.15 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, I think it would be ok. |
| 18:13.56 | JeffM2501 | the only reason I have the bzAPI strings is to ensure that the STL is made INSIDE the bzfs module, and not in the plugin, because windows will freak if BZFS has to grow the memory that was allocated by the plugin. |
| 18:15.07 | JeffM2501 | that's why the only use of them is when the API passes data TO the plugin, so just an auto convert would be fine, since it would just be copying to data defined in the plugin |
| 18:15.15 | Chestal | hmm, that sounds scary :-) |
| 18:15.17 | JeffM2501 | and not allocating anything new |
| 18:15.29 | JeffM2501 | ohh it's horible. |
| 18:15.31 | Chestal | was just stumbling about the std::string(bzapistring.cstr()) calls |
| 18:15.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's ugly |
| 18:15.49 | JeffM2501 | I was just lazy :) |
| 18:16.04 | Chestal | so I thoguht about adding operator std::string() to bzAPIString |
| 18:16.07 | JeffM2501 | in .net 2k5 I should be able to remove the limitation and pass STL |
| 18:16.14 | ToughShooter | When there is a type change needed in a Haskell-written program you end up rewriting the whole thing usually... |
| 18:16.14 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, it should be fine if you do it |
| 18:16.25 | Chestal | but if it is that fragile, maybe someone test it on window sfirst |
| 18:16.39 | JeffM2501 | ok, I can when I have time this afternoon |
| 18:17.29 | Chestal | hear hear! |
| 18:17.46 | JeffM2501 | I don't even think we still build on 6 |
| 18:18.10 | JeffM2501 | I haven't been doing the VC6 compliant for (int i =0.... ) things |
| 18:18.30 | brad2901 | Any ideas on how to fix: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/20335 ? |
| 18:18.40 | Chestal | I see no good reason to still support VC6 |
| 18:18.51 | Chestal | it's really old and peopel can get a newer version for free |
| 18:18.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah, upgrade your bzfs |
| 18:19.10 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, wel.... we don't build under .net 2k5 express |
| 18:19.11 | JeffM2501 | yet |
| 18:19.37 | Chestal | ah, why is that? Something important missing? |
| 18:19.43 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, where did you get your bzfs.lib and |
| 18:19.47 | JeffM2501 | your headers? |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, they changed a lot of stuff, and desuported many things, so we have to change the projects to make them work, and I haven't done the work yet |
| 18:20.26 | JeffM2501 | 2k5 is techincaly full VC8 |
| 18:20.31 | brad2901 | I got the bzfs.lib from when posted the link to it in here (your bakadigital.com site) -- As for the headers, I'm not sure :) |
| 18:20.32 | Chestal | JeffM2501: ah, so there would be same problem with VC8 then? |
| 18:20.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 18:20.50 | JeffM2501 | any of the 2k5s are the full VC8 kernel |
| 18:21.11 | JeffM2501 | express is the same compiler, just dosn't have like remote deubging and stuff |
| 18:21.22 | JeffM2501 | and it dosnt' come with the same SDKs |
| 18:21.33 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, that is wicked old |
| 18:21.39 | brad2901 | oh.. :) |
| 18:21.44 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, you need current code, the API has changed like 5 times |
| 18:21.56 | brad2901 | ah |
| 18:21.56 | JeffM2501 | where did you get the soruces for the plugin? |
| 18:21.59 | JeffM2501 | from CVS? |
| 18:22.01 | brad2901 | yes |
| 18:22.14 | JeffM2501 | so you are using CVS code , and CVS headers, but an old lib |
| 18:22.19 | JeffM2501 | what compiler are you using? |
| 18:22.19 | brad2901 | ah |
| 18:22.28 | brad2901 | vc express 2005 |
| 18:22.34 | JeffM2501 | then you need a new lib |
| 18:22.36 | JeffM2501 | and a new bzfs |
| 18:22.38 | brad2901 | ok |
| 18:22.50 | brad2901 | can I compile bzfs with dev-cpp? |
| 18:22.52 | JeffM2501 | let me start a b15 |
| 18:22.55 | brad2901 | ah, ok |
| 18:23.11 | JeffM2501 | no, it dosn't make A VC import lib |
| 18:23.19 | JeffM2501 | devc++ dosn't do the api at all |
| 18:23.24 | brad2901 | oh. |
| 18:25.07 | JeffM2501 | bahh I have to get clean |
| 18:25.13 | JeffM2501 | have code I can't commit yet |
| 18:25.22 | JeffM2501 | stupid client score stuff |
| 18:26.51 | JeffM2501 | what is broken about it? |
| 18:27.03 | Chestal | hmm, bzfs cannot log directly to a file yet, can it? |
| 18:27.07 | ToughShooter | No more multiple hunt |
| 18:27.11 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, no it can't |
| 18:27.23 | Chestal | that makes it harder to implement log rotation |
| 18:27.31 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, I was going to hook up a loging plugin, but it is probably something that shoudl be in the core. |
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| 18:28.43 | trepan | rewire DEBUGs, find debugLevels, job done :) |
| 18:28.55 | Chestal | could add a small utility which does the write into a file and pipe bzfs output into it |
| 18:29.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:29.07 | Chestal | utility woudl then reopen fiel on SIGHUP or something |
| 18:29.09 | JeffM2501 | many things could be done |
| 18:30.13 | Chestal | I wonder if there already exists such a standard tool |
| 18:30.16 | Chestal | seems pretty useful to me |
| 18:30.19 | JeffM2501 | is the curl on linuxes usualy built with gzip support? |
| 18:31.12 | Chestal | mine is (Debian) |
| 18:31.16 | Chestal | at least it depends on libz |
| 18:31.35 | Chestal | I'd say that libz is _very_ common |
| 18:31.35 | JeffM2501 | our windows one used to not have support for hit |
| 18:31.36 | JeffM2501 | it |
| 18:31.45 | JeffM2501 | I have the option now of supporting it |
| 18:31.47 | JeffM2501 | I think I should |
| 18:31.57 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it'll cause any problems |
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| 18:32.43 | JeffM2501 | wonder if that means that URLs can be sent compressed? |
| 18:32.50 | JeffM2501 | for like textures or sounds |
| 18:32.54 | RatOmeter | Dumb question (google wasn't much help). Is there a single place where I can find all/most bzfs plugins (preferable Win32 binaries)? |
| 18:32.56 | JeffM2501 | tho I'd guess textures are allready compressed |
| 18:33.12 | trepan | png use zlib |
| 18:33.14 | JeffM2501 | RatOmeter, a number of the standard ones are included in the binary installers |
| 18:33.22 | RatOmeter | Tanks |
| 18:33.33 | JeffM2501 | other then that, there is a forum on bzbb for plugin releases for non standard ones |
| 18:33.50 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not packaging all plugins |
| 18:33.56 | JeffM2501 | some are not ready for the prime of the time. |
| 18:34.00 | JeffM2501 | like scorereset |
| 18:34.03 | RatOmeter | understood |
| 18:34.06 | JeffM2501 | that one is bad bad evil bad |
| 18:34.16 | RatOmeter | that bad, eh? |
| 18:34.22 | a-delusion | using x-chat aqua for the first time, sorry if im signing on and off |
| 18:34.25 | JeffM2501 | needs a client change |
| 18:34.29 | RatOmeter | ah |
| 18:34.41 | JeffM2501 | stupid bzflag client dosn't know to set it's own score when it gets an update |
| 18:34.58 | JeffM2501 | and it also crashes the server horibly when somone leaves :) |
| 18:35.04 | RatOmeter | mmm, sounds like a failing of the client ther |
| 18:35.06 | RatOmeter | e |
| 18:35.12 | JeffM2501 | that part is |
| 18:35.20 | JeffM2501 | I allmost have a client fix for it |
| 18:35.28 | JeffM2501 | just a pita to keep compatable |
| 18:36.44 | JeffM2501 | simplest would be to have the server do all scores, and have the client just blindly accept them. but as it is, they do there own scoring when they get a kill and stuff |
| 18:37.06 | JeffM2501 | team score thankfully seems to be totaly server side tho |
| 18:43.31 | RatOmeter | I agree. sounds like a new pkt/command type in the protocol would do it. older clients wouldn't recogise it and just ignore it, no? |
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| 18:44.24 | JeffM2501 | no, I'll just make a small change for this version |
| 18:44.31 | JeffM2501 | then fix it right in 2.1 |
| 18:44.49 | JeffM2501 | I can make it know that it's geting a score update for itself |
| 18:44.54 | JeffM2501 | I just have to do it correct |
| 18:45.12 | JeffM2501 | if I did a new message, then old clients wouldn't get scores right at all on new servers |
| 18:45.25 | JeffM2501 | with this fix, the only ones that don't work are old clients, when the plugin is used. |
| 18:45.34 | JeffM2501 | and that is more rare |
| 18:45.37 | a-delusion | channel ##bzflag |
| 18:45.41 | a-delusion | nwoop |
| 18:45.49 | RatOmeter | ? |
| 18:45.57 | JeffM2501 | he's figuring out his IRC client |
| 18:46.24 | JeffM2501 | when 2.1 hits many things can be changed or riped out. |
| 18:46.39 | JeffM2501 | asuming I haven't quaked it all by then |
| 18:47.12 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:47.20 | a-delusion | reading freenode policies now |
| 18:47.23 | JeffM2501 | the week is allmost over, it should be soon |
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| 19:00.38 | a-delusion | ok nick is registered |
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| 19:20.25 | a-delusion | n/who |
| 19:20.34 | a-delusion | damn n didease |
| 19:41.45 | trepan | Chestal: you want stderr redirected to the logfile? |
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| 19:47.40 | JeffM2501 | that is why I think that the default chat to all key should be... enter |
| 19:49.18 | Chestal | trepan: I do this now, althoguh I haven't checked what is actualyl prointed on stderr. |
| 19:50.21 | trepan | you've already rigged bzfio ? |
| 19:59.21 | Chestal | tepan: I am just piping it into a file. bzfio looks promising to get a decent file logging behavior, though |
| 19:59.35 | Chestal | not too important for me right now, though, was just wondering |
| 19:59.50 | trepan | yup, already have it wired up, much easier then redir for windows |
| 20:01.49 | JeffM2501 | for those that need/care http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/bzflag-2.0.3b15.exe |
| 20:25.03 | Grumbler | need? hmm, no. care? ....hmmm, does anybody really know what time it is, does anybody really care.... |
| 20:25.38 | Grumbler | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/06/177251&from=rss ....probably nothing new to you all slashdot junkies |
| 20:26.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah seen it |
| 20:26.42 | JeffM2501 | current projections are that it is for the default GL implemnation |
| 20:26.49 | JeffM2501 | but we'll see |
| 20:27.04 | JeffM2501 | if high end cad users can't get full ICDs, they are not going to upgrade |
| 20:27.12 | RatOmeter | gahhh. pulling out my hair here |
| 20:28.19 | RatOmeter | school starts Monday, still have to get my software image ready and wire one computer lab for ethernet |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM2501 | And I want but have not |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM2501 | Bad dreams, lust thoughts |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM2501 | In here with no pain, you hurt me again |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM2501 | And I want but have none |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM2501 | I should beat the alien |
| 20:30.08 | JeffM2501 | But here I'm no one, a Cosmic Castaway |
| 20:34.11 | RatOmeter | Hmmm. I'm more of a dropped packet |
| 20:38.01 | JeffM2501 | everybody wants a rock to wind a string around. |
| 20:38.31 | *** part/#bzflag mmbm (n=mmbm@203-59-192-1.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 20:39.31 | JeffM2501 | And I want but have not |
| 20:39.31 | JeffM2501 | Bad dreams, lust thoughts |
| 20:39.31 | JeffM2501 | In here with no pain, you hurt me again |
| 20:39.31 | JeffM2501 | And I want but have none |
| 20:39.31 | JeffM2501 | I should beat the alien |
| 20:39.32 | JeffM2501 | But here I'm no one, a Cosmic Castaway |
| 20:39.36 | JeffM2501 | damn paster |
| 20:39.47 | Grumbler | starring blindly into space, getting up to splash my face, wanting to stay away, wonder how much i can take |
| 20:39.55 | JeffM2501 | Angely i demony kruzhili nado mnoj |
| 20:39.56 | JeffM2501 | Razbivali ternii i zvyozdnye puti* |
| 20:39.56 | JeffM2501 | Ne znaet schast'ya tol'ko tot, |
| 20:39.56 | JeffM2501 | Kto ego zova ponyat' ne smog... |
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| 20:45.34 | JeffM2501 | RatOmeter, ? |
| 20:45.43 | RatOmeter | eh? |
| 20:45.52 | JeffM2501 | why don't you get out? |
| 20:46.01 | RatOmeter | Married with 2 kids |
| 20:46.06 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 20:46.10 | RatOmeter | pretty much says it |
| 20:46.10 | JeffM2501 | car... seat.... |
| 20:47.23 | RatOmeter | wife |
| 20:47.50 | JeffM2501 | roof rack. |
| 20:48.11 | RatOmeter | ah,hadn't thought of that |
| 20:48.34 | orange | Grumbler: but was it about drugs or not? |
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| 20:59.15 | JeffM2501 | It’s all about power then |
| 20:59.16 | JeffM2501 | Take control |
| 20:59.16 | JeffM2501 | Breaking the rule |
| 20:59.16 | JeffM2501 | Breaking the soul |
| 20:59.16 | JeffM2501 | They suck us dry till there’s nothing left |
| 20:59.17 | JeffM2501 | My oh my, my oh my |
| 20:59.19 | Grumbler | orange, all songs are about drugs.......twinkle, twinkle, little star for example |
| 20:59.40 | JeffM2501 | even the super mario theme song? |
| 20:59.55 | Grumbler | yep :) |
| 21:00.58 | orange | especially the super mario theme song |
| 21:02.09 | JeffM2501 | it did have mushrooms |
| 21:02.11 | JeffM2501 | with legs |
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| 21:31.17 | a_monkey | hmm |
| 21:31.20 | a_monkey | i get errors like "Unable to locate [spree1] audio file (media dir is set to /opt/local/share/bzflag)" |
| 21:31.31 | a_monkey | with bzflag 2.0.3b15 |
| 21:33.59 | trepan | a_monkey: is that file in /opt/local/share/bzflag? |
| 21:35.25 | trepan | might you want to use "bzflag -dir <dirname>" to point it to the right place? |
| 21:37.52 | CBG | JeffM2501: four? |
| 21:45.15 | CBG | I have MeshTransform errors/warnings. |
| 21:45.21 | CBG | anyone wanna see them? lol |
| 21:45.27 | JeffM2501 | 4 |
| 21:45.37 | JeffM2501 | CBG, sure |
| 21:46.05 | CBG | http://pastebin.ca/20353 |
| 21:46.31 | JeffM2501 | what made that error? |
| 21:46.44 | CBG | I just ran 2.0.3 with:./src/bzflag/bzflag -dir data |
| 21:46.55 | JeffM2501 | what map? |
| 21:46.55 | CBG | I was on dtremenaks servers. |
| 21:47.01 | CBG | Ports 6005 and 6001. |
| 21:47.11 | JeffM2501 | wierdness |
| 21:47.15 | CBG | they have new objects... |
| 21:47.27 | JeffM2501 | other servers work ok? |
| 21:47.33 | CBG | yep. |
| 21:47.44 | CBG | I figured those errors/warnings would be important, since they showed up with no -d's |
| 21:47.51 | JeffM2501 | then it's probably a feture under dev |
| 21:48.12 | CBG | I should upgrade my cvs.... yeah. :) |
| 21:48.17 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:48.29 | CBG | Its 5 days old... that must be it. ;) |
| 21:48.58 | JeffM2501 | or your connecting to test servers that don't have valid maps |
| 21:49.24 | JeffM2501 | ahh it's a proto thing |
| 21:49.25 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:49.25 | CBG | Perhaps... I suppose dtremenak is the guy to ask about that. |
| 21:49.37 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.42 | CBG | lol. |
| 21:49.58 | JeffM2501 | it's probably a compatability thing |
| 21:50.26 | JeffM2501 | if your' gonna jump, then jump far. |
| 21:50.30 | JeffM2501 | fly like a skydiver |
| 21:50.48 | CBG | "if at first you dont succeed, Dont SKYDIVE!" |
| 21:50.59 | JeffM2501 | what song is that from? |
| 21:51.06 | CBG | None, afaik. |
| 21:51.17 | CBG | I found it at http://www.df.lth.se/~lft/tags/cookies.text |
| 21:51.37 | CBG | and I found that link on silverfox's profile on the hepcat forums (rip). |
| 21:53.41 | JeffM2501 | come on come on the fun has just begun. come on the fun has just begun. oh my stary eyed suprise. dance all night, dance all night to this DJ. |
| 21:53.58 | CBG | err... yeah.... :/ |
| 21:54.20 | CBG | I have a wordpress plugin that pulls a random line from a txt file and then pastes it wherever I put "<?php witty() ?> on my page... Is there anyway I can use that in my signature on the bb? |
| 21:58.03 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah, those are common |
| 21:59.48 | CBG | ok, can you help me do it? |
| 22:01.32 | JeffM2501 | www.hotscripts.com |
| 22:01.45 | CBG | heh. I prefer www.scripts.com. :P |
| 22:02.29 | trepan | hm, Tup changed /shutdownserver to /shutdown |
| 22:02.41 | trepan | shall we revert, or just mod the auto-completer and man pages? |
| 22:02.43 | CBG | Although hotscripts has 4 times the number of PHP scripts.. :/ |
| 22:03.11 | JeffM2501 | what was wrong with the old command? |
| 22:03.26 | *** part/#bzflag a-delusion (n=a-delusi@pool-141-158-98-99.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:03.32 | trepan | the text was copied improper |
| 22:03.38 | trepan | ly |
| 22:03.48 | JeffM2501 | CBG, if you know what to do why ask me for help? |
| 22:03.58 | JeffM2501 | trepan, what way is more "right" |
| 22:04.03 | JeffM2501 | compared to other commands? |
| 22:04.10 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.18 | CBG | JeffM2501: I was asking kindly if you would help me do it... But, don't worry... i'll work it out... |
| 22:04.19 | trepan | but with auto-compl, it doesn't matter |
| 22:04.27 | trepan | folks get bitchy when things change |
| 22:04.28 | JeffM2501 | I'd put it back |
| 22:04.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:04.30 | trepan | done |
| 22:04.31 | JeffM2501 | for no reason |
| 22:04.45 | JeffM2501 | sometimes I wonder why he does crap like that |
| 22:05.12 | JeffM2501 | CBG, no, I have 700 bzbb users to delete |
| 22:05.16 | trepan | there was 'lagstat' vs. 'lagstats' too ;) |
| 22:05.35 | CBG | its plural... surely? |
| 22:05.41 | CBG | JeffM2501: really? |
| 22:05.51 | JeffM2501 | it may be bloddy long, but I'd make it work with both names for at least 1 release |
| 22:05.57 | JeffM2501 | CBG, realy |
| 22:06.11 | trepan | in his defence, copying mistakes are easy to make |
| 22:06.17 | JeffM2501 | that they are |
| 22:06.33 | JeffM2501 | but if people have goten used to a command |
| 22:08.46 | CBG | Jeffm2501: what did these 700 people do to deserve having their accounts removed? |
| 22:10.18 | trepan | asked dumb questions. despite the rumours, there is such a thing |
| 22:10.40 | trepan | ;) |
| 22:11.29 | CBG | trepan: wow? what sort of questions? :) |
| 22:12.30 | trepan | ~dict facetious |
| 22:12.54 | CBG | comical, funny, humorous... this sounds like me. :) |
| 22:12.58 | JeffM2501 | well |
| 22:13.01 | JeffM2501 | nst_0 |
| 22:13.04 | JeffM2501 | nst_1 |
| 22:13.04 | CBG | smart, quick-witted, joking... :D |
| 22:13.07 | JeffM2501 | nst_2 |
| 22:13.08 | JeffM2501 | ..... |
| 22:13.12 | JeffM2501 | nst_700 |
| 22:13.19 | CBG | keen, merry. Yep. Me. :) |
| 22:13.29 | CBG | Who created those users Jeff? :/ |
| 22:13.39 | JeffM2501 | a script |
| 22:13.49 | CBG | Cant you do a MassDelete? |
| 22:13.56 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:14.02 | CBG | Oh, too bad. |
| 22:14.09 | CBG | I'll shush then and let you get on with it. |
| 22:14.13 | JeffM2501 | at least not in phpbb |
| 22:19.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: fix /shutdownserver, touchup the help |
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| 22:22.32 | meacan | JeffM2501: Perhaps this can help you (havnt tried it myself) http://www.phpbbsupport.co.uk/ftopic1967.php |
| 22:22.52 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm pulling them outa the raw mysql databases :) |
| 22:23.12 | meacan | that would probably be faster too :) |
| 22:23.26 | JeffM2501 | they never activataed, so they don't even have real user accounts, or records |
| 22:24.27 | meacan | I was wondering, would you consider adding 3rd party bzfs plugins to bzflag cvs? |
| 22:24.58 | trepan | it's open source dude, we'll take any crap :) |
| 22:25.07 | meacan | if not, im gonna find my a server soon, 'cause i miss the "security" version cvs gives me |
| 22:25.10 | meacan | hehe |
| 22:25.57 | JeffM2501 | meacan, yeah usre |
| 22:26.42 | meacan | great |
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| 22:42.37 | CBG | RPG_ :) |
| 22:42.42 | RPG_ | hi |
| 22:43.00 | RPG_ | just workin on th eplugin |
| 22:43.06 | CBG | good. |
| 22:43.08 | RPG_ | whenever I do I come on here |
| 22:44.35 | CBG | Dont annoy j*ff, hes busy deleting 700 bb accounts one at a time. |
| 22:44.51 | RPG_ | why 700? |
| 22:45.14 | CBG | script created nst_1 through to nst_700 |
| 22:46.47 | blast007_linux | ick :/ |
| 22:46.53 | RPG_ | uh on |
| 22:46.57 | RPG_ | found some more crap accounts |
| 22:47.09 | RPG_ | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=joindate&order=DESC&start=275 |
| 22:47.14 | RPG_ | and they go onto the next page |
| 22:47.20 | RPG_ | look at their WWW's |
| 22:47.32 | blast007_linux | can't phpMyAdmin kill accounts where the username starts with "nst_" ? |
| 22:47.46 | CBG | well spotted RPG_! |
| 22:48.00 | RPG_ | you could write an SQL script that does that and run it thru phpmyadmin |
| 22:48.27 | JeffM2501 | ohh it's done long ago |
| 22:48.56 | CBG | That was fast. :) |
| 22:49.10 | JeffM2501 | delete * where USERNMAE contains sadfasdlfkjsa |
| 22:49.12 | blast007_linux | hmm...another board I go to made a mod that prevents people with under 10 posts from setting a WWW page |
| 22:49.13 | JeffM2501 | was easy |
| 22:50.08 | RPG_ | jeffm: i know of a mod that adds photo validation to the PHPBB register page |
| 22:50.41 | CBG | Thats not like built in? |
| 22:51.03 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 22:51.07 | blast007_linux | not in this release, anyway |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM2501 | dude it's a game, not airport security |
| 22:51.13 | CBG | lol... |
| 22:51.20 | RPG_ | lol |
| 22:51.27 | blast007_linux | he meant image validation, not photo :D |
| 22:51.39 | blast007_linux | a validation code, that the user has to type |
| 22:51.40 | CBG | LOL! |
| 22:51.40 | RPG_ | yes.... that |
| 22:51.58 | blast007_linux | scripts can't read the image, thus they can't register |
| 22:52.00 | CBG | guys, you gotta stop making me laugh, i'll wake everyone up. :P |
| 22:52.05 | RPG_ | yes, "take a picture of youself, send it to PHPBB, and they'll validate you" |
| 22:52.10 | RPG_ | heh |
| 22:52.11 | *** join/#bzflag Ice_Wewe (n=Ice_Wewe@ppp-216-106-101-229.storm.ca) |
| 22:52.22 | Ice_Wewe | how do I add a texture to my map that doesn't come with bzflag? |
| 22:52.44 | blast007_linux | "Welcome to bzbb. Please provide two forms of ID: one with a photo, both with a signature." |
| 22:52.47 | JeffM2501 | you put the URL to it in the map |
| 22:52.49 | CBG | get it uploaded to bzflag.bz or ... i forget the other |
| 22:52.58 | JeffM2501 | and if it's allowed the clients will download it |
| 22:53.00 | CBG | blast007: yeah! :D |
| 22:53.00 | *** join/#bzflag luca_ (n=luca@OL108-90.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 22:53.06 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: oh ok |
| 22:53.17 | luca_ | hi, i'm having the weirdest problem ever... |
| 22:53.20 | JeffM2501 | by default, bzflag.org domains are allways allowed |
| 22:53.40 | CBG | luca_ what is it? |
| 22:53.56 | luca_ | I can't kill other players but I can kill myself and other players have no problemas, and can kill each other and me |
| 22:54.04 | JeffM2501 | is it a dream where your in like sun god robes, and there are thousands of women thowing little pickles at you? |
| 22:54.32 | luca_ | JeffM2501: not exactly ;) |
| 22:54.36 | blast007_linux | luca_: are you behind a firewall? |
| 22:54.46 | JeffM2501 | are you REALY lagy? |
| 22:54.50 | luca_ | blast007_linux: not exactly |
| 22:55.03 | luca_ | I have the server on my public IP |
| 22:55.17 | luca_ | and I'm playing connected to my server on my private IP |
| 22:55.27 | blast007_linux | ah, so a local server |
| 22:55.39 | luca_ | JeffM2501: so, no, I'm not lagy either |
| 22:56.22 | luca_ | any ideas? |
| 22:56.39 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 22:56.46 | JeffM2501 | does it happen on real servers? |
| 22:56.49 | luca_ | blast007_linux: local for me, remote for other players (wich have no problem playing0 |
| 22:57.11 | luca_ | blast007_linux: btw, yesterday it worked just fine |
| 22:57.12 | JeffM2501 | are you filtering any packets locacly? |
| 22:57.25 | blast007_linux | I've seen issues where the local client see's the bullets firing, but other clients don't see anything |
| 22:57.41 | luca_ | JeffM2501: let me see |
| 22:57.43 | blast007_linux | but normally it was after messing with the /set command a lot |
| 22:57.54 | JeffM2501 | make sure both UDP and TCP are goin thru |
| 23:03.55 | luca_ | other players says that they see me very lagy |
| 23:04.34 | JeffM2501 | how fast is the CPU of the comptuer? |
| 23:04.37 | luca_ | should I check just the server port (TCP and UDP) for network problems? |
| 23:04.45 | luca_ | or there's other port to watch? |
| 23:04.53 | JeffM2501 | only 1 port |
| 23:04.56 | JeffM2501 | tcp and udp |
| 23:05.10 | TimRiker | ~nslookup masterbot.bzflag.org |
| 23:05.23 | luca_ | JeffM2501: the server or the client? even so, both are fast enough (i've been using them for a long time) |
| 23:05.33 | JeffM2501 | are they the same machines? |
| 23:05.36 | JeffM2501 | or difrent ones? |
| 23:05.46 | JeffM2501 | is this server also the client basicly? |
| 23:05.53 | luca_ | JeffM2501: nop, client is AMD 2200+ and server Celeron 700 |
| 23:05.59 | luca_ | JeffM2501: no, no... |
| 23:06.01 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:06.02 | JeffM2501 | well then |
| 23:06.04 | JeffM2501 | hell |
| 23:06.06 | JeffM2501 | shoudl be fine |
| 23:08.02 | luca_ | yep, is really weird, the only explanation is some sort of problem with UDP I guess, I'll take a look to tcpdump :S |
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| 23:14.12 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:14.59 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:15.21 | RPG_ | jeffm: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3910 |
| 23:15.21 | RPG_ | it says he has 3 posts, then click on "Find all posts by Achenar" and it returns 0. |
| 23:15.58 | blast007_linux | RPG_: I think when you delete posts or threads, it doesn't subtract from that counter |
| 23:16.17 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, so |
| 23:16.24 | RPG_ | may i suggust you add another column to the users database, named "playedbz", and the first time th euser plays BZ with that nick, it changes from "false" to "true" |
| 23:16.35 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:16.42 | RPG_ | that way we could prune all users older than 1 months, what havn't played BZ with that nick |
| 23:16.54 | blast007 | .. |
| 23:16.55 | RPG_ | because those people are mostly the spammers |
| 23:16.56 | JeffM2501 | but then you'd remove me |
| 23:17.16 | RPG_ | you mean you've never used the global reg ysstem? |
| 23:17.28 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, we get like one spam a week |
| 23:17.30 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 23:17.34 | RPG_ | oh |
| 23:17.41 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, one has to play to use global auth :) |
| 23:17.42 | RPG_ | i just like tidy stuff |
| 23:17.54 | RPG_ | ride's ere |
| 23:17.55 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, are you saying that we don't keep it tidy? |
| 23:18.14 | JeffM2501 | and hell that would remove Tim's account too ;) |
| 23:18.21 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:18.52 | JeffM2501 | I do wish that non admins woudln't poke around user accounts, when they don't know what's up |
| 23:18.58 | JeffM2501 | the user in his example does have 3 posts |
| 23:19.06 | JeffM2501 | just NOT in a forum rpg has access to |
| 23:19.18 | blast007 | ah |
| 23:20.37 | blast007 | I keep hitting refresh on the weather radar...in a tornado warning right now |
| 23:24.06 | JeffM2501 | a tonado isn't going to get me source code, now is it? |
| 23:25.00 | blast007 | never know, they tend to pick up and drop strange things ;) |
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| 23:25.12 | blast007 | like cows |
| 23:25.12 | JeffM2501 | is it going thru dalas? |
| 23:25.29 | blast007 | nope, so you're out of luck |
| 23:25.54 | JeffM2501 | oh they should get it out soon |
| 23:28.25 | JeffM2501 | then the grand hacking up |
| 23:32.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh, gotta love it when people cut right to the quick of the matter :) |
| 23:32.29 | JeffM2501 | VM's are pointless for video games. |
| 23:32.29 | JeffM2501 | Even though the elitists really adore being able to load it up on their off-beat operating system without having to recompile, it's really not necessary. Competant coders don't have trouble with porting their mods. The base source comes out cross-platform already. |
| 23:32.29 | JeffM2501 | Being as I am probably running the widest range of DLL-based Quake2 mods right now, I have room to talk. Razz I've yet to have a problem with loading any modification thus far under Linux. It's really not that hard. |
| 23:32.29 | JeffM2501 | Less than 2% of the entire gaming community actually uses Linux/Macintosh for games (the majority of that being Linux). So, instead of just adding a few hundred extra lines of code to load libraries in a couple extra operating systems, you: |
| 23:32.33 | JeffM2501 | * Add the overhead of loading the virtual machine and handling it |
| 23:32.34 | JeffM2501 | * Deal with many more bugs (like not being able to fall through in switch statements, haha) |
| 23:32.36 | JeffM2501 | Removing the ability to do certain things isn't so much 'security', as it's just limiting to the people who actually know what they're doing. |
| 23:32.39 | JeffM2501 | All so that 2% of your userbase doesn't have to type 'make'? |
| 23:32.42 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah, and "big paste" :) |
| 23:33.02 | CBG | "VM's" ? |
| 23:33.10 | JeffM2501 | Virtual Machines |
| 23:33.15 | CBG | :? |
| 23:33.30 | JeffM2501 | like making a cross platform language just for your game |
| 23:33.41 | CBG | like bzflag? |
| 23:33.42 | JeffM2501 | and it's compiled into somethign your game then runs on any OS |
| 23:33.48 | orchid | google vmware CBG |
| 23:34.01 | CBG | orchid: eh? |
| 23:34.03 | JeffM2501 | orchid, no this is more like what java does |
| 23:34.07 | CBG | you guys confused me. lol |
| 23:34.17 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it would be like if I made the plugins be in my own langauge |
| 23:34.22 | JeffM2501 | just so people wouldn't have to compile |
| 23:34.23 | orchid | ~confuse CGB |
| 23:34.23 | ibot | yes those are their gerbil today ? |
| 23:34.28 | CBG | hah |
| 23:34.36 | CBG | Jeff: programming language? |
| 23:34.44 | CBG | or languages like english/french? |
| 23:34.51 | JeffM2501 | I just like the last line of the post |
| 23:35.14 | JeffM2501 | "All so that 2% of your userbase doesn't have to type 'make'?" |
| 23:35.23 | JeffM2501 | CBG, programing |
| 23:35.38 | JeffM2501 | quake 3 has it's own progaming language thingy |
| 23:35.46 | CBG | arent most programming languages based on english anyways? |
| 23:35.49 | JeffM2501 | so that mods work out of the box on the mac, windows, and linux |
| 23:35.54 | CBG | oh, cool. |
| 23:35.58 | JeffM2501 | CBG, most programing languages have few words |
| 23:36.28 | JeffM2501 | CBG, but the point of the post was, it's just not that hard to do it natively, if you code it correctly |
| 23:36.30 | CBG | True... but I am sure there is a separate french word for body, center, execute, etc |
| 23:36.41 | CBG | Ok... I was going off on one.... ;) |
| 23:37.02 | JeffM2501 | CBG, most progaming languages don't use term s like that |
| 23:37.07 | JeffM2501 | you are talking about a markup format |
| 23:37.18 | JeffM2501 | and in the HTML language you could make the tags be anything |
| 23:37.22 | CBG | I guess... |
| 23:37.35 | JeffM2501 | it's just that all browsers expect the tags to be english |
| 23:37.52 | JeffM2501 | <bonjour>greetings</bonjour> is a valid markup tag |
| 23:38.02 | JeffM2501 | in the base language specs |
| 23:38.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not a valid browser known tag |
| 23:38.25 | CBG | lol |
| 23:38.34 | JeffM2501 | it's like in XML |
| 23:38.40 | JeffM2501 | the tags and contents can be anything |
| 23:38.54 | JeffM2501 | the XMLpart is the < > / stuff |
| 23:39.00 | CBG | yeah. ok. |
| 23:39.17 | JeffM2501 | C has "if" and "for" and little constructs like that |
| 23:39.38 | JeffM2501 | but the core of the program is the code you make, with variables and functions, those you can name what ever you want |
| 23:40.13 | CBG | Heh.... Without C people would code in Basi, Pasal and Obol. ;) |
| 23:42.02 | JeffM2501 | modula |
| 23:42.26 | CBG | whoosh... |
| 23:42.39 | JeffM2501 | modula dosn't conain a C ;) |
| 23:42.48 | CBG | ahh... |
| 23:42.56 | CBG | I was wondering where a C would fit.... |
| 23:42.59 | JeffM2501 | whoosh right bakc at you |
| 23:43.01 | purple_cow | python ;) |
| 23:43.06 | meacan | CBG: If you only got omputers and you want to program their pu, then i think basi, pasa, obel i is enough :) |
| 23:43.18 | CBG | lol :D |
| 23:43.34 | CBG | You could ofcourse just use ++ :) |
| 23:43.40 | CBG | LOL!!!! |
| 23:43.43 | JeffM2501 | # is better |
| 23:43.47 | CBG | heh |
| 23:44.53 | JeffM2501 | with out C, you woldn't have unix, and then, linux, and then OSX |
| 23:44.58 | JeffM2501 | you'd still be on system 9 |
| 23:45.03 | JeffM2501 | the champion OS of pascal |
| 23:45.08 | CBG | :/ |
| 23:45.09 | CBG | similar: http://pastebin.ca/20366 |
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| 23:45.35 | purple_cow | oogh, system 9 |
| 23:45.49 | CBG | We still have 9 running on a g3 imac here. :) |
| 23:45.58 | CBG | It's used every week. ;) |
| 23:46.18 | purple_cow | that's not something to :) about |
| 23:46.30 | CBG | Ah, its not me that uses it. ;) |
| 23:46.55 | JeffM2501 | the "system" os's were horible |
| 23:47.01 | JeffM2501 | static ram allocations |
| 23:47.05 | JeffM2501 | code segement loaders |
| 23:47.08 | CBG | It's used to run MYOB, which i guess doesnt work on X. |
| 23:47.13 | JeffM2501 | SHORT POINTERS!!!!!!! |
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