| 00:00.01 | JeffM2501 | if it didn't influence much, why would you all be complaining about it? |
| 00:00.14 | JeffM2501 | if it did nothing to the comunity you all would not notice it :) |
| 00:00.18 | JeffM2501 | the fact is people like it |
| 00:00.20 | uso_w | but it surely devide players more than anything else so far |
| 00:00.34 | CBG | DEVIDE!!! |
| 00:00.35 | JeffM2501 | naw, GM did the same thing |
| 00:00.40 | JeffM2501 | laser did the same thing |
| 00:00.52 | CBG | they did? |
| 00:00.56 | JeffM2501 | hell, do you remember the HUD arguments? |
| 00:00.58 | CBG | how long ago was that? lol |
| 00:01.01 | JeffM2501 | that whas horible |
| 00:01.14 | JeffM2501 | now noone complains about the hud at all |
| 00:01.20 | uso_w | not sure, but don't know as they all were there as i started playing :) |
| 00:01.23 | JeffM2501 | many don't even know the hud was difrent |
| 00:01.28 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 00:01.33 | JeffM2501 | it's just the fact that it's new |
| 00:01.39 | JeffM2501 | then everyone will settle down |
| 00:01.43 | JeffM2501 | sure things can be ballanced |
| 00:01.54 | uso_w | should be |
| 00:01.55 | CBG | got a shot of whta it wqas like before? |
| 00:02.02 | JeffM2501 | but wings is not a special example of anything, it's acutaly an example of an average major feature |
| 00:02.12 | JeffM2501 | you just haven't seen the end of it yet |
| 00:02.14 | CBG | what* was* |
| 00:02.47 | uso_w | it gives (limited) control over the 3rd dimension, thats somewhat essential |
| 00:03.02 | JeffM2501 | just like jump |
| 00:03.29 | uso_w | jump gives no control |
| 00:03.35 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 00:03.36 | JeffM2501 | up |
| 00:03.42 | uso_w | it only trnsfers between 2d worlds |
| 00:03.44 | JeffM2501 | it just gives you little |
| 00:04.06 | JeffM2501 | wings gives you potentaly more Z controll, and access to X and Y when you used to not have them |
| 00:04.18 | JeffM2501 | in the Z axis only, they are very similar |
| 00:04.19 | CBG | huh, 1AM, you guys talk too much. |
| 00:04.47 | uso_w | z is not the difference, xy control is the quality change |
| 00:05.04 | JeffM2501 | then why do people keep saying the "3rd" dimenstion? |
| 00:05.08 | JeffM2501 | when the problem is with there old 2 |
| 00:05.29 | uso_w | probably wrong named |
| 00:05.32 | JeffM2501 | but like I say, we'll add more options for 2.1 |
| 00:05.48 | uso_w | i'm afraid :)) |
| 00:05.57 | JeffM2501 | but that does go to show, that most players don't think a thing all the way thru, they get pissed a single thing and focus on it. |
| 00:06.12 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, you can allways contribute to it |
| 00:06.14 | JeffM2501 | the source is there |
| 00:06.16 | JeffM2501 | patches welcome |
| 00:06.22 | JeffM2501 | discusion and testing welcome |
| 00:06.23 | CBG | ~pw |
| 00:06.23 | ibot | i heard patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 00:06.43 | JeffM2501 | most major release are out for like a year before releases |
| 00:07.03 | CBG | major release v. release... eh? |
| 00:07.05 | JeffM2501 | yet people act like it's a freaking suprise when they see a feature in release |
| 00:07.25 | uso_w | yes, i know, but sources are somewhat complicated |
| 00:07.48 | uso_w | have tried to look for gm strategy to lock better on wings, but have given up :( |
| 00:08.10 | TimRiker | ~nslookup masterbot.bzflag.org |
| 00:08.16 | JeffM2501 | you can contribute in more then code |
| 00:08.33 | JeffM2501 | even discussing and testing and offering intelegent options is helping :) |
| 00:08.42 | CBG | heh. :S |
| 00:08.52 | uso_w | yay, i surly not will keep my mouth in discussion :) |
| 00:09.45 | JeffM2501 | the best thing is to get playgroups together to test new stuff |
| 00:09.49 | JeffM2501 | it's not like we hide it :) |
| 00:10.08 | JeffM2501 | then problems like this won't come out, a year after they are implemented. |
| 00:10.18 | CBG | JeffM2501: how about a plug-in so that each player always has the powers/whatever of flag X and can then pick other flags... is that too much like multiple flags? |
| 00:10.29 | JeffM2501 | CBG, a plugin can't do that |
| 00:10.35 | CBG | ugh. :( |
| 00:10.40 | CBG | flags are client side? |
| 00:10.40 | JeffM2501 | the bzflag system can't do that |
| 00:10.45 | JeffM2501 | flags are both side |
| 00:10.54 | JeffM2501 | but it's not coded to allow them to be mixed like that |
| 00:11.05 | uso_w | oh plugin ... can a plugin control the shot limit of flags? |
| 00:11.09 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:11.16 | CBG | well, technically it doesnt involve flags... |
| 00:11.43 | JeffM2501 | CBG, yes it does, because you don't realise that all effects that flags give, are tied to the flags themselves |
| 00:11.46 | CBG | it just gives (for example) the ability to fly AS IF you have WG, but you dont... |
| 00:11.58 | uso_w | it would be handy to decrease the shot limit of flags if only a few players were on a server |
| 00:11.58 | JeffM2501 | we don't have that in the client or the server |
| 00:12.02 | CBG | JeffM2501: do the effects HAVE to be tied to the flags? |
| 00:12.11 | JeffM2501 | no they don't but they are |
| 00:12.19 | CBG | so, it could be changed? |
| 00:12.21 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, it's probably dooable |
| 00:12.27 | JeffM2501 | CBG, anything can be changed |
| 00:12.31 | JeffM2501 | it's just time and work |
| 00:12.57 | CBG | in the source there has to be a part that says "the effect of wings is the ability to fly and trun in air, etc" |
| 00:13.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah, there is |
| 00:13.10 | JeffM2501 | it's in the flag code |
| 00:13.19 | JeffM2501 | when we check if you have wings |
| 00:13.22 | CBG | so, basically you could copy that to a plugin and say that tanks ALWAYs have that ability? |
| 00:13.33 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I allready said yes it could be done |
| 00:13.41 | CBG | Okay, :) |
| 00:13.43 | meacan | JeffM2501: should plugin use bz_debugMessage() with level 0 for normal output? (not debug) |
| 00:13.45 | JeffM2501 | what more do you want? |
| 00:13.49 | CBG | I was thinking aloud HOW it could be done. :) |
| 00:13.54 | JeffM2501 | meacan, yeah sure |
| 00:14.03 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it is way more complex then you realise |
| 00:14.09 | uso_w | you even can do it on the client only and fly around ... probably not long ;) |
| 00:14.11 | CBG | I am sure it is. :) |
| 00:14.16 | JeffM2501 | many things would have to change to make it work |
| 00:14.22 | JeffM2501 | for any aribtrary flag |
| 00:14.30 | JeffM2501 | limiting it to things makes it easyer |
| 00:14.34 | JeffM2501 | but more lame |
| 00:14.39 | CBG | and they won't because you guys are against multiple flags, right? |
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| 00:14.42 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, that's called cheating |
| 00:14.46 | CBG | lol |
| 00:14.49 | JeffM2501 | CBG, no |
| 00:14.53 | uso_w | isn't it :) |
| 00:15.01 | JeffM2501 | it would be lame because why not go whole hog |
| 00:15.13 | CBG | as in? |
| 00:15.18 | JeffM2501 | any flag |
| 00:15.25 | CBG | Thats what I meant. |
| 00:15.30 | CBG | I used WG as an example. |
| 00:15.35 | JeffM2501 | I have a write up for a full reimplemnation of flags as atributes |
| 00:15.46 | JeffM2501 | it's just not a trival thing |
| 00:15.52 | JeffM2501 | and it has to wait for breakage |
| 00:15.54 | CBG | Ok. :) |
| 00:15.59 | CBG | breakage? :( |
| 00:16.14 | uso_w | oh oh |
| 00:16.33 | uso_w | but the lot of options are dangerous |
| 00:16.48 | uso_w | go around and make a diff on each server |
| 00:17.20 | CBG | ^ :( |
| 00:17.30 | uso_w | every server has it's own settings, so if you switch from one server to onother you get different behaviour of your tank |
| 00:17.36 | uso_w | that's not nice |
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| 00:20.08 | blast007 | uso_w: but if that was implented, a server-only change could add new flags, without breaking protocol |
| 00:20.59 | uso_w | there should be sets of settings for different kinds of gameplay so that you have not more than a handfull different behaviours |
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| 00:21.12 | blast007 | but why limit it? |
| 00:21.18 | uso_w | no problem if it makes internal handling easier |
| 00:21.19 | JeffM2501 | wheeee |
| 00:21.25 | JeffM2501 | limit what? |
| 00:21.56 | blast007 | uso_w is just concerned that flags would have different effects on each server ;) |
| 00:22.15 | menotume | oooo, ooooo, make a random-affect flag :) |
| 00:22.34 | JeffM2501 | it has been requested that servers be able to define there own flags |
| 00:22.37 | menotume | it does something, but tells you it's something else |
| 00:22.44 | uso_w | blast007: but it makes playing or better aquiring skills a lot harder if the handling of your tank on every server is different\ |
| 00:22.52 | JeffM2501 | my plan is to turn all flag effects into atributes |
| 00:23.05 | JeffM2501 | and flags are jsut one way to set the attributes on a tank |
| 00:23.12 | JeffM2501 | then zones can set them too |
| 00:23.14 | JeffM2501 | shots |
| 00:23.15 | blast007 | uso_w: not really, cuz most servers would use the _defaults_ |
| 00:23.16 | JeffM2501 | the server |
| 00:23.17 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 00:23.43 | meacan | wasnt the problem with std::max supposed to be fixed? |
| 00:23.54 | uso_w | i'm not good in jumping, even if the settings are at default and i'm playing more than half a year now |
| 00:23.56 | JeffM2501 | depends how old your code it |
| 00:24.05 | JeffM2501 | learner made changes to fix it, I made them build on windows |
| 00:24.09 | JeffM2501 | like thismorning |
| 00:24.21 | meacan | just updated it |
| 00:24.29 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl work now |
| 00:24.34 | JeffM2501 | you'll probably want to build clean |
| 00:24.37 | JeffM2501 | assloads of stuff changed |
| 00:24.49 | uso_w | if velocity or gravity is changed on a server ... no chance for aimed jumping |
| 00:25.22 | blast007 | uso_w: but they can already do that |
| 00:25.34 | uso_w | yes, i know |
| 00:25.44 | blast007 | if you can't quickly adapt to new settings, you die ;) |
| 00:25.50 | uso_w | this wasnt a critics for the flags as attributes |
| 00:26.01 | uso_w | i do it alot :) |
| 00:26.02 | JeffM2501 | oh many people will hate it |
| 00:26.23 | JeffM2501 | as server ops will be able to mix and match and get all freaky |
| 00:26.54 | JeffM2501 | if it's even allowed in |
| 00:27.20 | uso_w | there are already little sadists out there :)) |
| 00:27.33 | JeffM2501 | oh I think it could be incredebly fun |
| 00:27.44 | JeffM2501 | you can make a flag that makes your shots give out left turn :) |
| 00:27.50 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:28.13 | uso_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.14 | JeffM2501 | and 50% damage, so you have to nail em 2x to kill em |
| 00:28.49 | uso_w | eeeek, 50% damage, i see the next break in gameplay |
| 00:29.04 | uso_w | would you like to have a new name for it ;) |
| 00:29.05 | blast007 | it's called shielf |
| 00:29.10 | blast007 | er, shield even |
| 00:29.15 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:29.22 | JeffM2501 | sheild gives you 200% health :) |
| 00:29.33 | JeffM2501 | normal shots would do 100% damaage |
| 00:29.41 | uso_w | lol, no, thats a target option, not a shot one |
| 00:29.43 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, why? it would play normaly |
| 00:29.49 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, it's both |
| 00:29.55 | JeffM2501 | tank has a health attribute |
| 00:30.01 | JeffM2501 | shot has a damage arribute |
| 00:30.09 | JeffM2501 | when you get hit, subtract |
| 00:30.15 | JeffM2501 | if your at 0 you blow up |
| 00:30.28 | JeffM2501 | normal tank = 100 health, normal shot = 100 damage |
| 00:30.44 | JeffM2501 | how would that change gameplay? |
| 00:31.03 | uso_w | and counting with random factor, weather influence, ... |
| 00:31.09 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 00:31.31 | uso_w | like it is in opther battle games |
| 00:31.32 | JeffM2501 | shield woudl give you an adition 100 health |
| 00:31.50 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, I never said anything about adding environments or random |
| 00:31.58 | JeffM2501 | don't put words in my mouth |
| 00:32.24 | uso_w | keep in mind, a lot of bzflags popularity is because of it's simplicity |
| 00:32.39 | JeffM2501 | so 100 health off a 100 damage shot isn't simple? |
| 00:32.55 | uso_w | that was only an extrapolation into future :) |
| 00:33.05 | JeffM2501 | again uso_w don't put words in my mouth |
| 00:33.22 | JeffM2501 | the game can be made incredebly complex now with people changing settings |
| 00:33.40 | JeffM2501 | so your future is allready here |
| 00:33.45 | uso_w | yeah, thats a problem |
| 00:33.54 | JeffM2501 | it's a feature |
| 00:33.59 | blast007 | if you want it simple, go play 1.7 :) |
| 00:34.03 | uso_w | and if you look a some of the servers it's already reality |
| 00:34.04 | JeffM2501 | just like anything it's only as good as the person behind it |
| 00:34.28 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, that is allways going to be a problem in open source games, anyone can mod anythign,and they will |
| 00:34.35 | JeffM2501 | so you can't spend all your time freeting about it |
| 00:35.12 | uso_w | blast007: i don't know 1.7, but even on 1.10 are barly a few players anymore |
| 00:35.18 | JeffM2501 | I think it would be decently simple that if you got a flag that did left turn only, that you'd have to hit them 2x to kill em |
| 00:35.44 | JeffM2501 | and as long as there is a sane visual cue to let you know you have to nail him 2x |
| 00:35.59 | JeffM2501 | like a bar over them when they are targeted, or smoke or something |
| 00:36.32 | JeffM2501 | call it the gremlin gun :) |
| 00:36.39 | uso_w | yes, the ui has to be simple |
| 00:36.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 00:36.48 | JeffM2501 | the curent UI is not simple |
| 00:37.05 | JeffM2501 | many don't understand why they can't click on the "new game" button |
| 00:37.28 | uso_w | but also should it be for the server admins, that's what i meant with predefined sets of setings |
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| 00:37.51 | JeffM2501 | I think we should ship many difrent configs, that show samples of difrent game styles |
| 00:37.54 | uso_w | ah, it's easy enough |
| 00:37.57 | JeffM2501 | to give them a leg up |
| 00:38.18 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, no it's not, many people dn't even know how to change there settings |
| 00:38.24 | JeffM2501 | or what the point of the game is, when you join |
| 00:38.29 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing to help a noob |
| 00:38.39 | JeffM2501 | they join a server.. what do they do? |
| 00:39.05 | blast007 | many of them go to "Start a server", cuz they assume they have to |
| 00:39.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:39.16 | JeffM2501 | it's a very very bad interface |
| 00:39.17 | uso_w | but i don't know if i want those people to play as they surely did not read anything about the gameplay or rules ;) |
| 00:39.31 | JeffM2501 | it worked for the 'nix people the game was made for, but they are gone, they don't play anymore |
| 00:39.41 | uso_w | agreed, it's bad but not complicated |
| 00:39.44 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, who are you to decide who plays and dosn't play? |
| 00:39.49 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, read where? |
| 00:40.01 | JeffM2501 | every modern game has in game help and tutorials |
| 00:40.19 | JeffM2501 | the thing dosn't even have tips on startup |
| 00:40.30 | JeffM2501 | they are magicaly suposed to know? |
| 00:40.42 | uso_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.02 | JeffM2501 | the readme dosn't even talk about how to play, it's about how to build |
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| 00:41.07 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, then don't play with them |
| 00:41.11 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts your deal not the games |
| 00:41.14 | uso_w | anybody who can read has an advantage ;) |
| 00:41.15 | JeffM2501 | it's not your personal game |
| 00:41.28 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, that may be true, but not everyone knows where to read |
| 00:41.36 | JeffM2501 | how did you learn to play? |
| 00:41.57 | uso_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.12 | JeffM2501 | how did you learn to play as a player? |
| 00:42.40 | uso_w | i have red some web pages, load map from a public server, build my own server and trained |
| 00:43.00 | JeffM2501 | so you poked around stuff till you figured it out? |
| 00:43.09 | JeffM2501 | was this because the game didn't have antyhing built into it to help you? |
| 00:43.16 | uso_w | after that i went to public server as observer before i played ;) |
| 00:43.32 | meacan | JeffM2501: plugin-doc says that bz_PlayerRecord->groups/flagHistory is vector<string>. It seems to be bzAPIStringList |
| 00:43.35 | JeffM2501 | what's the point of a game that you can't play off the bat |
| 00:43.49 | JeffM2501 | meacan, it says it's a vector? |
| 00:43.50 | uso_w | not for the gameplay, for tactics ... |
| 00:43.51 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 00:43.53 | JeffM2501 | gotta change it |
| 00:43.58 | meacan | JeffM2501: yep |
| 00:44.04 | JeffM2501 | all things are the bz_ types |
| 00:44.10 | JeffM2501 | no stl across the interface |
| 00:44.16 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, I mean when you first got the game |
| 00:44.42 | uso_w | for the game you need the key, which is a page in the game and you can start |
| 00:45.01 | JeffM2501 | what page? |
| 00:45.07 | uso_w | *key configutation |
| 00:45.12 | meacan | JeffM2501: functions.html |
| 00:45.17 | JeffM2501 | the one that is buried 3 levels down in the menu? |
| 00:45.22 | JeffM2501 | meacan, oh no you soory |
| 00:45.30 | meacan | :) |
| 00:45.53 | uso_w | lol |
| 00:46.23 | uso_w | i understand you, and it's always better to improve the UI |
| 00:46.43 | uso_w | but it's not that hard that nobody can use it ;) |
| 00:47.00 | blast007 | the point is, it should be intuitive for everybody |
| 00:47.05 | blast007 | this is a game, not a novel |
| 00:47.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:47.19 | JeffM2501 | we allways talk about simplicty and stuff |
| 00:47.25 | JeffM2501 | yet it's a pain to get started in the thing |
| 00:47.31 | JeffM2501 | unless somone shows you |
| 00:47.39 | JeffM2501 | I've seen 5 year old kids pick up halo and play it |
| 00:47.55 | uso_w | no, thats much overplayed |
| 00:47.57 | JeffM2501 | controls and UI are intitive |
| 00:48.27 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, kids that had never played it |
| 00:48.30 | JeffM2501 | it jsut made sense |
| 00:48.39 | JeffM2501 | 'shoot the mean guys, who have the red around them' |
| 00:48.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/functions.html: vector bad |
| 00:48.46 | JeffM2501 | 'don't shoot the green guys' |
| 00:48.53 | JeffM2501 | it's prety simple :) |
| 00:48.54 | uso_w | but as you are said, you are free to improve it, you have the source :) |
| 00:49.05 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, what do you think I've been doing |
| 00:49.19 | JeffM2501 | yet you say you are scared of the future I make |
| 00:49.33 | uso_w | should i :) |
| 00:49.51 | uso_w | surely not of that future |
| 00:49.59 | JeffM2501 | I dono, I mentioned tank health and you kinda freaked, saying stuff that was not in the plan at all |
| 00:50.51 | JeffM2501 | many people I've had try to play it, don't like the fact that they die in one hit, they feel they should get a second chance, or a tank should not blow up that easy |
| 00:51.25 | JeffM2501 | that may be from the FPS games that are all over, but it's still something that is somewhat intuitive to people |
| 00:52.07 | JeffM2501 | time for home again :) |
| 00:52.24 | uso_w | yes, but there are surely a lot of people out there which just like this feature |
| 00:52.43 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 00:53.09 | uso_w | i dont like FPS as they are that "real" |
| 00:53.20 | uso_w | bzflag is a bit like comic style |
| 00:53.59 | uso_w | a bit abstract ... that is what it makes it good |
| 00:57.26 | TimRiker | ~nslookup masterbot.bzflag.org |
| 00:58.09 | meacan | JeffM2501: same doc: update, hasPerm, grantPerm, revokePerm - they are all missing the bz_ prefix |
| 00:58.14 | uso_w | if you are on the UI, an option to sort server list for different criteria (e.g. number of shots, game style, superflags) would be really nice |
| 00:58.26 | meacan | JeffM2501: but only in doc |
| 01:00.21 | meacan | JeffM2501: nevermind that, i cant read.. Those are members of bz_PlayerREcord. it makes sense they dont have the prefix then. Sorry |
| 01:08.20 | JeffM2501 | meacan, :) |
| 01:09.02 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, the realness and comicness are mostly due to the content, not the gameplay really |
| 01:09.06 | JeffM2501 | go play metal arms :) |
| 01:09.09 | JeffM2501 | it's commit |
| 01:09.11 | JeffM2501 | commic |
| 01:09.26 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, yeah the server list needs a huge workover |
| 01:09.44 | JeffM2501 | it should have sorts, filters, and searches |
| 01:09.59 | JeffM2501 | favorates, history, and bookmarks |
| 01:10.38 | uso_w | yeah, that would be a big improvement |
| 01:10.48 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, and allways remember, I'm just talking, stuff I want to do may never get done.. I'm not in charge |
| 01:13.01 | uso_w | no problem :) |
| 01:14.07 | uso_w | i know i can't enforce things in any direction, i only try to influence things to go a bit in my (personally) direction |
| 01:14.55 | uso_w | and i'm surely not average or representative with my opinions :) |
| 01:16.08 | JeffM2501 | good so I can take out flags then:) |
| 01:17.05 | uso_w | yup, completely, besides team flags of course :)) |
| 01:18.08 | JeffM2501 | what else are flags for :) |
| 01:19.07 | uso_w | but you will probably loose a lot of players than ;) |
| 01:19.25 | JeffM2501 | naw not when they learn the joy of picking up greens |
| 01:19.34 | JeffM2501 | and super thrust |
| 01:20.31 | uso_w | flags are only wrong if others have it |
| 01:21.03 | JeffM2501 | repellers would fix your wings problem |
| 01:21.12 | JeffM2501 | but then so would an orbital strike |
| 01:22.19 | uso_w | ~x en,de repeller |
| 01:22.48 | uso_w | ~x en de repeller |
| 01:22.53 | JeffM2501 | think of it as a shockwave that just pushes everyone away from you, including shots |
| 01:23.00 | JeffM2501 | but it dosn't replace your weapon |
| 01:23.05 | JeffM2501 | and you can only fire it once |
| 01:23.10 | JeffM2501 | untill you get another |
| 01:24.02 | uso_w | like a shield gun in UT with one shot |
| 01:28.54 | JeffM2501 | but spherical |
| 01:28.59 | JeffM2501 | like an expanding thing |
| 01:29.36 | JeffM2501 | going home now :) |
| 01:29.51 | uso_w | good idea, me too |
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| 01:53.54 | RPG_ | hey |
| 01:53.56 | RPG_ | more errors |
| 01:54.03 | meacan | hi |
| 01:54.27 | RPG_ | bad ones too |
| 01:54.41 | RPG_ | and ^nightmare^'s got another sucky avatar |
| 01:55.27 | RPG_ | had me believeing for a second, i don't think it's right to have a forum rank as an avatar |
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| 01:56.24 | RPG_ | meacan can you compile bzfs? |
| 01:56.26 | RPG_ | i mean does it work? |
| 01:56.32 | meacan | yes it does |
| 01:56.36 | RPG_ | grrr |
| 01:56.39 | RPG_ | when was the last time you compioed BZFS |
| 01:57.07 | meacan | an hour ago, or so |
| 01:57.29 | RPG_ | will the bzfs.lib file work on all OSes? |
| 01:57.37 | RPG_ | you see where i'm going with this |
| 01:58.15 | meacan | "all OSes" is alot :). But I think thet want to support all OSes already supported by bzflag |
| 01:58.47 | RPG_ | i want to test the major new features of my plugin, but BZFS won't compile, therefore I can't get the lib file or the ibnary. |
| 01:59.31 | meacan | ok |
| 01:59.44 | RPG_ | i'm on winXP-32 |
| 01:59.48 | meacan | I cant really help you. No dev environment on windows :( |
| 02:00.10 | RPG_ | they said they fixed it, but apparently not |
| 02:00.28 | blast007 | RPG_: I can try in a sec |
| 02:00.31 | RPG_ | ok |
| 02:00.35 | meacan | You dont belive its anon cvs lagging? |
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| 02:00.51 | RPG_ | they said they fixed it around 12, and CVS has dropped since then |
| 02:01.32 | JeffM2501 | how do you know I'm not just lying to you? ;) |
| 02:02.23 | RPG_ | i guess i shall never know |
| 02:03.18 | blast007 | so far I have one error |
| 02:03.33 | RPG_ | d'oh |
| 02:03.41 | blast007 | error C2061: syntax error : identifier 'fd_set' |
| 02:03.43 | RPG_ | i stopped at 26, compiling "game" |
| 02:03.48 | blast007 | in the curl stuff |
| 02:03.54 | RPG_ | g:\Programs\Visual Studio C++\Vc7\include\xutility(1245) : error C2995: 'const comparable &std::max(const comparable &,const comparable &)' : template function has already been defined |
| 02:06.48 | JeffM2501 | did you build clean? |
| 02:06.49 | blast007 | I'm not doing a rebuild, so I won't see warnings from unchanged files, but I'll see any errors |
| 02:07.02 | JeffM2501 | cus I fixed that exact error today |
| 02:07.05 | RPG_ | mine? |
| 02:07.11 | RPG_ | i''ll buliid clean now |
| 02:07.31 | RPG_ | Clean: 9 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped |
| 02:07.41 | JeffM2501 | 9? |
| 02:07.46 | JeffM2501 | it should be 19 |
| 02:07.56 | RPG_ | :sigh: |
| 02:07.58 | RPG_ | errors |
| 02:08.11 | RPG_ | g:\Programs\Visual Studio C++\Vc7\include\xutility(1245) : error C2995: 'const comparable &std::max(const comparable &,const comparable &)' : template function has already been defined |
| 02:08.12 | blast007 | I still only have the one error |
| 02:08.12 | RPG_ | in "net" |
| 02:08.41 | blast007 | I'm 4 projects past 'net' |
| 02:10.17 | blast007 | also, if you did a clean, how did you get an error in net that fast? |
| 02:10.17 | RPG_ | no clue |
| 02:10.21 | JeffM2501 | do a "rebuild solution" |
| 02:10.24 | JeffM2501 | that will redo all clean |
| 02:11.30 | RPG_ | "common" |
| 02:11.30 | RPG_ | g:\Programs\Visual Studio C++\Vc7\include\xutility(1245) : error C2995: 'const comparable &std::max(const comparable &,const comparable &)' : template function has already been defined |
| 02:12.47 | RPG_ | JeffM: ^nightmare^'s got a avatar that is a direct copy of the "WTF?!?!" rank. |
| 02:12.48 | RPG_ | JeffM: gyro man posts two posts, with his message split between the two, whenever he posts |
| 02:13.19 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, umm ok |
| 02:13.31 | RPG_ | nightmare's thing pisses me off |
| 02:13.37 | RPG_ | 'cause i keep thinking he got the WTF avatar |
| 02:14.51 | RPG_ | i'll wait again 'till tommorow, see what happens |
| 02:14.58 | RPG_ | when i copmile |
| 02:15.40 | JeffM2501 | link to the 2 poster? |
| 02:15.54 | blast007 | so far all I've got is three of the fd_set errors |
| 02:16.03 | RPG_ | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=48004#48004 |
| 02:16.08 | RPG_ | it happens a few more times |
| 02:16.33 | JeffM2501 | that's just 2 posts |
| 02:17.08 | JeffM2501 | looks like he's just an idjit |
| 02:17.17 | RPG_ | yep |
| 02:22.00 | blast007 | is fd_set defined in winsock or something? |
| 02:22.14 | blast007 | ah, nvm, think I found it |
| 02:23.17 | blast007 | Build: 17 succeeded, 3 failed, 0 skipped |
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| 02:24.41 | blast007 | common, bzfs, and bzflag failed to build |
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| 02:36.03 | a-delusion | I spotte a plugin interaction that crashes the server |
| 02:36.22 | a-delusion | Here I am on a Rampage, six straight laser kills. |
| 02:36.36 | a-delusion | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.48 | a-delusion | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.40 | blast007 | it was probably trying to get the callsign, but World Weapon doesn't have one ;) |
| 02:37.55 | a-delusion | yeah, something like that.. |
| 02:38.49 | a-delusion | just putting in today's two cents, bye |
| 02:44.33 | blast007 | http://pastebin.ca/20224 (errors from build, with latest anon CVS) |
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| 02:56.17 | a-delusion | where's the faq on using this channel? |
| 02:57.14 | meacan | there is no faq |
| 02:57.51 | a-delusion | or maybe i mean .... what do i mean? |
| 02:58.30 | meacan | that i should get to bed? |
| 02:58.38 | a-delusion | im using firefox for mac, what are the better clients for this? |
| 02:59.02 | brlcad | irssi, xchat-on-aqua, ircle |
| 02:59.26 | a-delusion | xchat on aqua, ill looka at that first. |
| 03:01.30 | Twingy | telnet |
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| 03:02.34 | meacan | weee, me can post the plugin :) Even wrote some text that might be helpful (if anyone understands it) |
| 03:05.57 | a-delusion | which would that be meacan? |
| 03:08.23 | meacan | Janitor - i've posted it in plugin dev forum |
| 03:08.46 | a-delusion | sounds dirty |
| 03:09.15 | a-delusion | i spotted that killingspree crashes if killed by world weapon |
| 03:09.31 | a-delusion | crashes the server |
| 03:09.32 | meacan | knew what i wanted to do, but didnt come up with a good name :) |
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| 03:12.42 | meacan | killingspree - whats that? |
| 03:13.29 | a-delusion | its a sound that plays, and an announcement, if you get five consecutive kills |
| 03:13.59 | a-delusion | at five kills its a rampage, at ten kills its a killingspree |
| 03:14.12 | bryjen | in the playHistoryTracker plugin |
| 03:14.24 | meacan | aha |
| 03:14.29 | a-delusion | its not a plugin, i think, its a full addition for 2.0.4 |
| 03:14.40 | blast007 | no, it's a plugin |
| 03:15.47 | meacan | "case bz_ePlayerSpawnEvent: // really WTF!!!!" :) |
| 03:15.47 | a-delusion | when world weapon kills the player on a spree, the server crashes, it should be mentioned that.... |
| 03:16.14 | a-delusion | the world weapon was shockwavedeth plugin |
| 03:16.30 | blast007 | as you stated earlier, like twice ;) |
| 03:17.09 | a-delusion | sorry, im learning, gonna try to sign on with x-chat aqua now |
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| 03:18.16 | philmatous_ | hey, that was too easy |
| 03:18.29 | philmatous_ | woops real name |
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| 03:47.24 | RPG_ | hi |
| 03:48.02 | RPG_ | does anyone here have a BZFS and bzfs.lib of the most recent API versioN? |
| 03:48.05 | RPG_ | on windows? |
| 03:48.16 | RPG_ | if so, please e-mail it ot me at garrett@garrettsites.net |
| 03:48.22 | RPG_ | i'm going insane because i cna't test my plugin |
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| 03:50.44 | blast007 | :/ |
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| 03:52.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/plugins/playHistoryTracker/playHistoryTracker.cpp: watch out for NULL returned by getPlayerByIndex |
| 03:56.30 | zoly | do you know of a big where the player sees a different score as his own than other players do ? difference seems to be the number of team kills. |
| 03:56.37 | zoly | ehm ... bug ... |
| 03:56.58 | zoly | 2.0.2 server |
| 03:57.20 | jpa_ | i've heard of it |
| 03:57.27 | jpa_ | while never actually witnessed |
| 03:57.34 | zoly | a player experienced that ronight |
| 03:57.38 | zoly | tonight |
| 03:58.19 | blast007 | the client keeps track of it's own score, so it's possible that it gets out of sync with the server |
| 03:58.27 | zoly | we checked it out, and result was, all other player saw a score which did not take tks into account |
| 03:59.05 | zoly | the player himself saw a score which was the number of team kills lower |
| 04:02.22 | zoly | what also happened several times was that one player was kicked without reason (often an observer) from a 2 team ctf server, and the same moment, the team score for a third, non-existing team started to show as 65535 |
| 04:03.00 | zoly | have that about once every 2 or 3 days |
| 04:03.10 | blast007 | hmm....very odd |
| 04:03.19 | blast007 | what is the client and server version? 2.0.2? |
| 04:03.43 | zoly | server is 2.0.2. shows on all/most(?) clients |
| 04:04.03 | zoly | many players see that odd score in their client |
| 04:07.45 | zoly | but it is not always the same color. this is a red vs green ctf server. sometimes purple, sometime blue team appears. though i might me mistaken about 65535. could also be -1, not totally sure right now. |
| 04:08.49 | zoly | ehm. also, not team score. that should be the number of players on the non-existing team |
| 04:09.07 | zoly | that is what could relate to the kick |
| 04:10.44 | zoly | i better take a screen shot the next time it happens |
| 04:10.51 | blast007 | k |
| 04:11.08 | blast007 | when it happens again, do that, and get as much info as possible |
| 04:11.26 | zoly | ok. what sort of info ? |
| 04:11.37 | zoly | player client versions ? |
| 04:11.38 | blast007 | like if a played was kicked off, stuff like that |
| 04:11.54 | zoly | ok |
| 04:12.08 | blast007 | then you could submit it as a bug report |
| 04:12.25 | zoly | this is precompiled binary, debian package |
| 04:12.52 | jpa_ | zoly: also, running the server with -dddd > log-file would be very useful |
| 04:13.33 | zoly | may be difficult, as i would have to run it with -dddd all the time. it does run with -d now. |
| 04:13.49 | zoly | can't turn that on 5 min before the bug shows |
| 04:14.10 | jpa_ | well, do you have some problem with disk space? |
| 04:14.21 | zoly | a bit, yes |
| 04:14.32 | jpa_ | ok |
| 04:14.56 | zoly | disk space overcomittment ... |
| 04:14.59 | blast007 | -ddd might be enough |
| 04:15.08 | blast007 | I think 4 does packet dumps |
| 04:15.17 | jpa_ | yeah |
| 04:15.54 | zoly | ok. i could probably rotate logs frequently |
| 04:15.56 | jpa_ | someone could make a script that saves last halfhour of logs and writes them on request :P |
| 04:16.18 | jpa_ | just a few lines of python.. but, school -> |
| 04:17.01 | zoly | user crontab, single line shell script, should do |
| 04:17.14 | zoly | s/script/command/ |
| 04:18.28 | blast007 | but yeah, with more info, the devs can hopefully reproduce it, and track it down |
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| 04:21.21 | a_monkey | hey guys. |
| 04:21.29 | a_monkey | after compiling a plugin, where do i stick the .so? |
| 04:21.31 | blast007 | hi :) |
| 04:21.41 | blast007 | in the same directory as bzfs |
| 04:22.45 | a_monkey | you mean /usr/local/bin ? |
| 04:22.54 | blast007 | although, I suppose you could supply the full path to the plugin |
| 04:22.56 | a_monkey | or whatever |
| 04:23.13 | blast007 | I'm not sure where make install throws the binary |
| 04:26.29 | a_monkey | also, plugins can only be put into effect when you run a server with the plugin installed? |
| 04:26.39 | a_monkey | it can't modify the client in other words? |
| 04:40.23 | blast007 | right, the plugins are server-side only |
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| 04:56.24 | SportChick | Aribeth: ping |
| 05:00.19 | trepan | orchid: those crazy BeOS guys... =) |
| 05:00.39 | orchid | hehe |
| 05:01.20 | SportChick | hiya trepan & orchid |
| 05:01.32 | orchid | hello SportChick |
| 05:01.59 | trepan | ciao SC |
| 05:02.08 | orchid | SportChick: have you bumped into any poles lately on walking and ircing? :) |
| 05:02.35 | orchid | that was you I seem to recall doing that |
| 05:02.57 | orchid | heh |
| 05:03.10 | SportChick | orchid: yeah, thanks for reminding me |
| 05:03.11 | SportChick | :) |
| 05:03.29 | SportChick | actually, I haven't been ircing on my phone at the gym that much lately (that's where I did it) |
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| 05:42.26 | lan56 | I am updating the dev-c++ projects now, I know I am behind so save your breath |
| 05:42.49 | lan56 | I apologize for it, as well |
| 06:29.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin.dev bzflag.dev bzfs.dev config.h): update |
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| 09:52.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: -gndtex option (for team and random worlds) |
| 09:52.20 | trepan | jomojo: there ya go... no patching required |
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| 09:58.08 | CBG | Morning, Tupone. |
| 09:58.17 | Tupone | morning |
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| 09:59.45 | CBG | Morning, ToughShooter. |
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| 11:20.20 | sbgodin | hi all! |
| 11:22.27 | sbgodin | the wiki (bzflag.org/wiki/) is out of order : internal error. |
| 11:22.37 | sbgodin | btw, how do I test a server from here? |
| 11:27.06 | menotume | tupy ! |
| 11:27.50 | Pimpi | sbgodin: what do you mean with test? |
| 11:28.21 | Pimpi | ~bzfquery dub.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 11:28.29 | Pimpi | meant this? |
| 11:29.16 | sbgodin | bzfquery. True. Thanks. |
| 11:29.41 | sbgodin | My server can reach my.bzflag.org:81/db but it is not visible. A reason? |
| 11:29.42 | sbgodin | ~ |
| 11:29.51 | sbgodin | ~bzfquery bzflag.spaggiari.org:5154 |
| 11:33.04 | sbgodin | I can join it but global registration does not work. More, It is not on the list. |
| 11:39.45 | sbgodin | ~bzfquery bzflag.spaggiari.org:5155 |
| 11:40.20 | sbgodin | ~bzfquery bzflag.spaggiari.org:5154 |
| 11:40.55 | sbgodin | ~bzfquery 42arena.homelinux.com:5155 |
| 11:40.59 | trepan | sbgodin: you can also: /msg ibot bzfquery bzflag.spaggiari.org:5154 |
| 11:41.23 | sbgodin | good idea. So I won't bother you all. |
| 11:41.31 | trepan | thx |
| 11:41.44 | sbgodin | Here we can reach the server. The server can wget the page. But still not on the list... |
| 11:42.18 | trepan | using some -d's? checking your logs? |
| 11:43.55 | sbgodin | There is that "Queuing ADD message to list server" |
| 11:44.19 | sbgodin | With -d -d -d |
| 11:44.37 | trepan | you should then see a connection attempt from the list server... |
| 11:44.43 | trepan | you firewalled ? |
| 11:46.45 | sbgodin | I don't see any connection attempt and I cannot rule the firewall. |
| 11:46.59 | sbgodin | it's possible that here we can check the server but not the server list itself? |
| 11:48.27 | trepan | bzfquery <addr> doesn't go through the listserver |
| 11:48.42 | trepan | (afaik, it uses a 'ping' packet) |
| 11:49.21 | sbgodin | It may not because it gives the number of players |
| 11:50.31 | trepan | it uses MsgQueryGame for basic stats, and MsgQueryPlayers for players |
| 11:51.30 | trepan | you have a -public switch ? |
| 11:52.15 | trepan | and -publicaddr, req'd if you specify an alternate port (iirc) |
| 11:53.51 | sbgodin | all the config is good. The server configuration changed... |
| 11:57.51 | trepan | try this: bzfs -publiclist my.bzflag.org:81/db -public testing -ddd |
| 11:58.54 | trepan | to make it easier to find, throw in: -publicaddr bzflag.spaggiari.org:5154 |
| 12:18.24 | sbgodin | done. Nothing new. |
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| 12:24.46 | Grumbler | heh... http://cgi.ebay.com/HENRICO-COUNTY-50-iBook-t-shirt-kicked-in-the-balls_W0QQitemZ8327177210QQcategoryZ15687QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:26.06 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.11 | Grumbler | all for an iBook......just not sure its worth it |
| 12:35.56 | sbgodin | I think that my bzfs does not receive the response from the list server. So I'll check wether a firewall blocks such paquets. |
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| 14:49.45 | Demon[work] | Hello. |
| 14:50.08 | blast007 | hi |
| 14:50.41 | Demon[work] | hello blast007. how are you |
| 14:50.58 | blast007 | I'm doing good :) you? |
| 14:51.08 | Demon[work] | lazy :) |
| 14:51.35 | Demon[work] | yesterday found bzflag by accident. downloaded, tried and liked :) |
| 14:51.58 | Demon[work] | today found the forum and decided to get in touch with the people here |
| 14:52.39 | blast007 | hehe, cool |
| 14:53.06 | orchid | :) |
| 14:53.16 | brlcad | that's how it all begins.. ;) |
| 14:53.23 | Aribeth | welcome to the adiction |
| 14:53.52 | orchid | I found it poking through my Distros games menus |
| 14:54.01 | Aribeth | me too |
| 14:54.22 | blast007 | I can't even recall how I first found it...that was a long time ago |
| 14:54.31 | orchid | I was tired of the 9 different tetris's |
| 14:54.39 | blast007 | :) |
| 14:54.54 | brlcad | CBG: heh |
| 14:55.08 | Demon[work] | thanks. by the way i have a question. since i am new to bzflag and didn't saw documentation available... yesterday tried to run as server. i expected something like in quake/unreal tournament -- a server to be run, expecting connections AND me as player to be into the game, letting me to play but didn't happened and i was confused. it said that the server was created and just this... .... ? |
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| 14:55.13 | Demon[work] | Aribeth thanks. |
| 14:55.24 | brlcad | CBG, so I only have myself to blame if I get annoyed by you :) |
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| 14:55.47 | orchid | ~bzfs |
| 14:55.47 | ibot | i guess bzfs is the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 14:55.56 | blast007 | Demon[work]: the Start Server usually doesn't work the way people expect |
| 14:56.29 | CBG | brlcad: hmm? |
| 14:56.35 | brlcad | CBG: never mind ;) |
| 14:56.37 | Demon[work] | i see... |
| 14:56.43 | CBG | brlcad: i _do_ mind... |
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| 14:57.19 | iwcylabumf | make: stopped in /home/bbearman/bzflag/bz-cvs/work/src/c-ares |
| 14:57.19 | iwcylabumf | *** Error code 1 |
| 14:57.19 | iwcylabumf | Stop. |
| 14:57.19 | iwcylabumf | make: stopped in /home/bbearman/bzflag/bz-cvs/work/src |
| 14:57.19 | iwcylabumf | *** Error code 1 |
| 14:57.20 | iwcylabumf | Stop. |
| 14:57.22 | iwcylabumf | make: stopped in /home/bbearman/bzflag/bz-cvs/work |
| 14:57.24 | iwcylabumf | Making all in c-ares |
| 14:57.26 | iwcylabumf | if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../bzflag/src/c-ares -I../../include -I../../../bzflag/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -MT ares_expand_name.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/ares_expand_name.Tpo" -c -o ares_expand_name.o ../../../bzflag/src/c-ares/ares_expand_name.c; then mv -f ".deps/ares_expand_name.Tpo" ".deps/ares_expand_name.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/ares_expand_name.Tpo"; exit 1; fi |
| 14:57.26 | brlcad | CBG: I added bz to apple's site, so I only have myself to blame :) |
| 14:57.31 | iwcylabumf | ../../../bzflag/src/c-ares/ares_expand_name.c:24:33: arpa/nameser_compat.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:57.33 | iwcylabumf | *** Error code 1 |
| 14:57.34 | brlcad | ack |
| 14:57.35 | blast007 | ick... |
| 14:57.35 | iwcylabumf | Stop. |
| 14:57.37 | iwcylabumf | make: stopped in /home/bbearman/bzflag/bz-cvs/work/src/c-ares |
| 14:57.39 | iwcylabumf | *** Error code 1 |
| 14:57.39 | CBG | brlcad: haha. too bad! |
| 14:57.41 | iwcylabumf | Stop. |
| 14:57.43 | iwcylabumf | make: stopped in /home/bbearman/bzflag/bz-cvs/work/src |
| 14:57.44 | orchid | iwcylabumf: pastebin |
| 14:57.45 | iwcylabumf | *** Error code 1 |
| 14:57.47 | iwcylabumf | Stop. |
| 14:57.47 | brlcad | iwcylabumf: please don't do that |
| 14:57.48 | Demon[work] | the link http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer and also OTHER links from the original site ( bzflag.org ) mainly for the WIKI seem to be dead to me , actually report error 500 ( internal server error ) |
| 14:57.49 | iwcylabumf | make: stopped in /home/bbearman/bzflag/bz-cvs/work |
| 14:57.49 | Demon[work] | :( |
| 14:57.51 | iwcylabumf | wow i didn't expect that to happen. sorry |
| 14:58.15 | blast007 | Demon[work]: yeah, the wiki is down right now for some reason |
| 14:59.12 | Demon[work] | i see :( so in general i cannot run the server on my machine AND go and play on the same machine and need one instance of server run and another instance of client run somewhere...? |
| 14:59.13 | CBG | *SIGH8 |
| 14:59.20 | brlcad | Demon[work]: no, you can |
| 14:59.30 | brlcad | the start server thing just _only_ starts the server |
| 14:59.39 | brlcad | then you go to the select a server menu, and pick your server |
| 14:59.45 | orchid | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 15:00.24 | brlcad | Demon[work]: our webhost provider is apparently having trouble.. check again in a few minutes |
| 15:01.45 | Demon[work] | ok. no problem. thanks for the information. by the way i appear on the forum as Ognen_Demon. i posted the question into the 'enchancements' area about i would like to contribute and make another translation and a guy redirected me to this channel. anyone of the developers here? |
| 15:02.07 | brlcad | most all of the devs are here |
| 15:02.24 | brlcad | you code? |
| 15:02.32 | CBG | Demon[work} It was I that directed you here. :) |
| 15:02.34 | Demon[work] | ok then. if you think another translation would be good then please supply me with information what is needed |
| 15:02.44 | Demon[work] | CBG oh :) |
| 15:02.57 | brlcad | Demon[work]: translations are rather easy -- get a full source checkout and look in the data directory |
| 15:03.33 | brlcad | there is a localization directory, data/l10n that has a file for each translation |
| 15:03.39 | CBG | CBG == CannonballGuy ;) |
| 15:03.53 | Demon[work] | brlcad, i was just looking in there... |
| 15:06.06 | Demon[work] | brlcad, hmm yes... i do "code" :) actually didn't code really. i am currently totally away of any desktop application coding :(((( currently into web-dev, forced to use Perl only by my proj.manager since dec01/2004 and totally forgot anything except Perl ... grr... even got kinda as scandal when i was seen to learn python :) |
| 15:07.27 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:07.50 | Demon[work] | ( at least now learned perl to almost advanced level and could code a lot better applications ) :)) |
| 15:07.56 | brlcad | well, there is a perl stats engine and perl interface to the servers |
| 15:08.02 | brlcad | so you should feel right at home :) |
| 15:09.53 | Demon[work] | well to be honest didnt took deep look into bzflag. err...sometimes want to create my own game ( you know every kid learning programing dreams of it... ) but before didn't had the knowledge...now don't have the time... so i am just a ... let's say game-user ( gamer is too strong said for me ) |
| 15:10.25 | brlcad | that's just how everyone gets started, nothing wrong with that ;) |
| 15:10.52 | brlcad | if you're interested in the perl stuff, it's in the misc/ directory |
| 15:10.58 | Demon[work] | the language file was the only thing i was looking for... ( in contrast of my past years when i was looking most files with a hex editor trying to steal sound samples :))) oh yeah i was a tracker years ago ) |
| 15:11.49 | Demon[work] | ( if you used to listed to .mod/.xm/.it ... ) |
| 15:12.13 | Demon[work] | .s3m ... ah... |
| 15:12.52 | Demon[work] | ops... "listed" to be read as "listen" |
| 15:13.30 | Demon[work] | damn. i have drinked just two coffees today...need more :) |
| 15:14.47 | brlcad | mm.. coffee |
| 15:22.43 | Demon[work] | question, since i am not into the language stuff -- in the generic file it is said "name your resultant file: bzflag_<locale>.po". ok. is "locale" the "language code"? |
| 15:23.06 | Demon[work] | ( talking of localization language files ) |
| 15:24.51 | Demon[work] | at least looking at the other language file names seems so... |
| 15:25.10 | trepan | yes |
| 15:25.56 | Demon[work] | ok.thanks. |
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| 15:27.24 | trepan | bzflag_bg.po for Bulgarian (ISO 639) |
| 15:27.37 | Demon[transl] | i already did. |
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| 15:28.54 | brlcad | Demon[transl]: what language are you doing? |
| 15:28.56 | brlcad | oh my |
| 15:29.10 | Demon[transl] | bulgarian |
| 15:29.19 | Demon[transl] | i am one of these ( bulgarians ) :)) |
| 15:29.38 | Demon[transl] | i saw it does not exist such translation |
| 15:29.45 | brlcad | ahh :) |
| 15:29.52 | brlcad | my friend would thank you :) |
| 15:30.01 | orchid | hello jolly :) |
| 15:30.36 | trepan | feel free to make the translation creative and whimsical |
| 15:30.45 | jolly | hey orchid :) |
| 15:30.47 | trepan | throw in references to cows, people seem to like cows |
| 15:30.58 | Aribeth | lol |
| 15:31.04 | Aribeth | moo |
| 15:31.17 | Demon[transl] | and since my co-workers here are not much into english decided to help everybody which would like to play from bulgaria ( hope to make it popular here, since now Counter-Strike rules the multiplayer arena here ) |
| 15:31.41 | Demon[transl] | ( from years ) |
| 15:32.52 | Demon[transl] | brlcad, except the language file is there any other file i should interfere with? i think No, since i saw there is a -locale parametter to the executable file...? |
| 15:33.45 | brlcad | it's pretty much all contained to that file |
| 15:33.50 | brlcad | that which may be changed at least |
| 15:34.17 | brlcad | that'll update the menus, prompts, head's up messages, help menus, etc |
| 15:35.13 | Demon[transl] | cool |
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| 15:36.28 | Demon[transl] | hmm... how the application would know which code page exactly it should use to display the language file properly? for example i am goin to write in cyrilic and there is several cyrilic code pages...? |
| 15:36.43 | Demon[transl] | also should i save the file as ASCII or Unicode? |
| 15:37.28 | Tupone | in bzflag ? |
| 15:37.48 | Demon[transl] | yep/ |
| 15:37.52 | orchid | Tupone: yes, he wants to do a bulgarian translation |
| 15:38.03 | Tupone | no support for unicode :( |
| 15:38.21 | Demon[transl] | ok. how about my other question? |
| 15:38.30 | Tupone | only latin characters |
| 15:39.00 | Tupone | unless you provide a set of character in the format bzflag knows |
| 15:39.44 | Tupone | bzflag/data/fonts are the information actually available to bzflag |
| 15:40.07 | Tupone | ciao orchid :) |
| 15:40.16 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 15:40.36 | Demon[transl] | oh...grr... ok. writing bulgarian with latin letters then :) |
| 15:41.37 | Tupone | need more info to start? |
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| 15:42.56 | Tupone | I was working on unicode character font rendering in bzflag, but it was too slow. Have to rework in it again |
| 15:44.51 | Demon[transl] | well... as begining will translate everything in bulgarian with latin characters and will supply you with the file. later will rewrite all strings with cyrilic characters and will give you another file :) hope it's ok that way |
| 15:45.31 | Tupone | Later you mean when someone 'll do unicode font rendering :) |
| 15:46.02 | TimRiker | Demon[transl]: you're using utf8, yes? |
| 15:46.43 | TimRiker | Tupone: there should be some code now that "ascii"izes some characters so they'll be rendered. |
| 15:46.57 | Tupone | ah, ok , I didn |
| 15:47.02 | Tupone | 't know, ty |
| 15:47.07 | TimRiker | I think it got changed to use utf8 instead of latin1, but I don't recall for sure. |
| 15:47.36 | Tupone | I have in SF a patch to render freetype2 font. But is quite slow |
| 15:48.22 | Demon[transl] | TimRiker depends on what's required. In general i try to use utf8 but since in the old era it was not used wide, there is cp1251 as bulgarian windows and linux ( i think ) code page used, and another code page used in the dos era, which name i cannot remember... |
| 15:49.48 | Demon[transl] | ah remember now -- it was MIK but it is not used now. cp1251 ( windows-1251 as used in windows ) is the official bulgarian code page. but i try to use utf8 where possible |
| 15:50.45 | brlcad | ciao tupone |
| 15:50.58 | Tupone | hola senor |
| 15:51.01 | TimRiker | Demon[transl]: I understand. I'm saying that the .po files should all be utf8. not in different locales. |
| 15:51.37 | TimRiker | er ... different codepages. they _should_ be differnt locales. ;-) |
| 15:52.54 | Demon[transl] | err...if i save the file as utf8...then i could use the original cyrilic characters then...could i? |
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| 15:53.14 | Demon[transl] | will it be rendered as it should? |
| 15:55.54 | Chestal | the locale files I have are not UTF-8 |
| 15:56.05 | Chestal | the character mapping hack is in src/common/Bundle.cxx |
| 15:57.26 | brlcad | it'll be easy to parse the utf8 |
| 15:57.33 | brlcad | the hard part is rendering |
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| 16:02.52 | Demon[transl] | actually...why it is slow rendering utf8? is it something to do with the more memory needed to handle the many characters or...? |
| 16:03.34 | Tupone | nope, just a different method, not based on a png, but on the glyph file description from freetype2 |
| 16:03.56 | Chestal | hi jolly |
| 16:04.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/data/l10n/ (7 files): utf8, not latin1 |
| 16:04.04 | jolly | hey Ches :) |
| 16:04.10 | TimRiker | Chestal: looking at the now... ;-) |
| 16:04.18 | Chestal | TimRiker: uhm, and how is the code supposed to work with that? |
| 16:04.27 | TimRiker | gimme a minute... ;-) |
| 16:04.33 | Chestal | I wouldn't open the UTF-8 can of worms for bzflag, overkill IMHO |
| 16:04.45 | Chestal | would need a _lot_ of changes all over the palce I fear |
| 16:05.42 | TimRiker | not planning to "handle" it now, just to revert to ascii from the correct utf8 .po instead of latin1 .po |
| 16:06.05 | TimRiker | the sv file is in some unknown char set for example. not in latin1 |
| 16:06.31 | TimRiker | latin1 does not have all the chars some translations will want. of course only ascii can be displayed at present. |
| 16:06.51 | Chestal | TimRiker: yes, I know, I think the hack works with different charsets, more or less |
| 16:07.22 | Chestal | it just has a big switch for some common byte values which are probably close to a latin character |
| 16:08.09 | Chestal | good luck :-) |
| 16:08.44 | TimRiker | =) |
| 16:09.31 | Chestal | TimRiker: ah, btw., now that I see you, not sure if it has been discussed in recent days: Did you ever have a chance to look at the list server changes needed for -advertise to work? IIRC meno did a change to the server side php (?) and a small modification of the database is necessary |
| 16:12.08 | TimRiker | only briefly... need to drop that changed file in on the server and test with an alternate url for a while. |
| 16:12.27 | TimRiker | http://my.bzflag.org/bzflstest.php or some such |
| 16:12.58 | menotume | it's already at m.b.o/dbtest :) |
| 16:13.04 | menotume | just need to change the tables |
| 16:13.15 | TimRiker | ah. cool! |
| 16:13.22 | menotume | look in private :) |
| 16:13.52 | TimRiker | You don't have permission to access /dbtest/ on this server. |
| 16:14.30 | Demon[transl] | question: which color is 'rogue'? ( speaking of team colors ) or it is something else meaning? |
| 16:14.34 | menotume | you aren't in www-data group ? |
| 16:14.52 | Tupone | rogue is not a color |
| 16:15.04 | BenUrban | racist! |
| 16:15.10 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 16:15.25 | Demon[transl] | ok. what it is used exactly? i know it means something like "thief" or "cheater" |
| 16:15.51 | TimRiker | ~dict rogue |
| 16:16.03 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 16:16.20 | TimRiker | let's try for a different one... |
| 16:16.23 | TimRiker | ~dict rogue |
| 16:16.25 | Tupone | Vicious and solitary. |
| 16:16.46 | Demon[transl] | tell me when you reach the correct one :)) |
| 16:16.54 | TimRiker | that one is more or less it. |
| 16:16.56 | blast007 | ~dict 4 rogue |
| 16:17.35 | Demon[transl] | then it is something like "cheater"? |
| 16:17.59 | Tupone | it is one against everybody else |
| 16:18.01 | blast007 | rogues don't play as a team, they only care about themself |
| 16:18.11 | blast007 | they kill anything that moves |
| 16:19.00 | TimRiker | scoundrel is close. |
| 16:19.20 | menotume | rouges are selfish :) |
| 16:19.29 | TimRiker | cheater has other, different implications. |
| 16:20.53 | Demon[transl] | :) the problem is that i cannot determine exact translation... would it be correct if we say it is synonime to "alone person"? |
| 16:22.54 | TimRiker | Demon[transl]: is that like a "hermit" or similar? Can an "alone person" be an attitude? ie: could someone here be an "alone person" even though there are others in the room? |
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| 16:23.42 | geoffrey | hi |
| 16:23.47 | geoffrey | UGM 'ere |
| 16:24.23 | orchid | hello |
| 16:24.33 | menotume | hellos |
| 16:24.43 | Demon[transl] | i know. i have exact word in mind but cannot explain. guess it is correct translation. |
| 16:24.48 | Demon[transl] | hello geoffrey |
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| 16:24.59 | Demon[transl] | question: Who is Nemesis? |
| 16:25.04 | TimRiker | Demon[transl]: cool. |
| 16:25.06 | menotume | TimRiker: the " You don't have permission to access /dbtest/ on this server." was because no index in the dir |
| 16:25.08 | menotume | fixed :) |
| 16:25.10 | Demon[transl] | kind of admin? |
| 16:25.13 | TimRiker | ~dict nemesis |
| 16:26.49 | trepan | ... your enemy |
| 16:26.49 | TimRiker | Demon[transl]: like an arch-rival. your exact opposite. |
| 16:27.40 | TimRiker | like in the superman movie where he gets split into a good and a bad half. each half is the nemesis of the other. |
| 16:27.44 | geoffrey | is there anyway to run a BZflag command (say, /set) oncap? |
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| 16:29.12 | Demon[transl] | thanks |
| 16:30.10 | geoffrey | like, when team 1 captures the flag, run /set _mirror red |
| 16:30.21 | geoffrey | and when team 3 captures the flag, /set _mirror blue |
| 16:30.49 | blast007 | geoffrey: that should be possible with a plugin |
| 16:30.59 | geoffrey | oh |
| 16:31.16 | Demon[transl] | question: what is 'slow keyboard motion'? slow keyboard autorepeat or...? or like in the Matrix -- slow motion...? |
| 16:31.40 | trepan | slower motion |
| 16:31.41 | blast007 | http://www.bzflag.org/docs/api/ (plugin API documentation) |
| 16:32.17 | geoffrey | Demon: it slows the tank down |
| 16:32.40 | geoffrey | blast007, only problem is my lack of knowledge of any form of C |
| 16:33.58 | Demon[transl] | help: "identifies player (locks on GM)" -- what is "GM"? |
| 16:34.10 | geoffrey | guided missile |
| 16:34.11 | blast007 | Guided Missile |
| 16:34.13 | geoffrey | as in the flag |
| 16:34.13 | Demon[transl] | ah ok :) |
| 16:34.15 | meacan | geoffrey: Im working on a plugin that will support that |
| 16:34.55 | geoffrey | meacan: cool, can you tell me when it's done, if I manage to get on IRC? |
| 16:35.59 | meacan | geoffrey: sure, if you use bb, look for Janitor v0.8 :) |
| 16:36.11 | geoffrey | ah |
| 16:36.13 | geoffrey | ok |
| 16:36.34 | meacan | geoffrey: Currently working on 0.7. perhaps sometime next week |
| 16:36.41 | geoffrey | ok |
| 16:43.23 | Demon[transl] | question: msgid "Code Contributors:" -- are they "contributed to the code as programmers" or "contributed to the application as a whole"? |
| 16:43.46 | Demon[transl] | i mean -- are they coders or could be else? |
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| 16:45.09 | Tupone | I guess coder |
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| 17:16.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10db/ (bzfls.php serversettings.php.tmpl): bbdbname |
| 17:22.11 | menotume | yay :) |
| 17:22.34 | menotume | ~karma TimRiker |
| 17:22.34 | ibot | timriker has karma of -653 |
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| 17:23.00 | menotume | ~TimRiker-=345 |
| 17:24.17 | Birdie | ~karma timriker |
| 17:24.17 | ibot | timriker has karma of -653 |
| 17:24.28 | menotume | made you look ! |
| 17:24.30 | Birdie | what did you changed?:s |
| 17:24.36 | menotume | nothing :) |
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| 17:29.49 | a_monkey | what does the shockwaveDeath plugin do? |
| 17:30.53 | a_monkey | i hope it's what i think it is |
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| 17:32.26 | ibunny | tada! |
| 17:33.34 | a_monkey | ooohh |
| 17:33.39 | Birdie | bunny bunny |
| 17:33.50 | ibunny | birdie bird |
| 17:33.52 | a_monkey | now that i read the readme, i know |
| 17:33.54 | a_monkey | :P |
| 17:39.57 | a_monkey | hmm. ya know how there are a few .tybox.net servers around? is tybox some kind of game hosting place or something...? |
| 17:40.21 | a_monkey | there used to be hepcat.tybox.net, now there's silvercat.tybox.net |
| 17:42.39 | Demon[transl] | question: "Individual and aggregate team scores are tallied". what does that means? |
| 17:43.22 | Demon[transl] | also please define "aggregate" and "tallied" in the current context |
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| 17:46.12 | zoly | brad2901: GM want to match. are you available ? |
| 17:46.34 | zoly | g'day btw |
| 17:46.40 | blast007 | ~dict aggregate |
| 17:46.49 | blast007 | ~dict tallied |
| 17:47.37 | Demon[transl] | hmm...thanks. |
| 17:48.55 | a_monkey | also, this may be a stupid question, but, is there some way to upload bzfs and a .conf and .bzw to a free webhosting place and somehow have bzfs running remotely on their machines? |
| 17:50.15 | menotume | yes |
| 17:50.36 | menotume | it is a stupid question. :) |
| 17:51.06 | menotume | hehe. free webhosting sites, and even pay-for webhosting won't allow you to do that (they block you from opening the port) |
| 17:51.37 | menotume | takes too much bandwidth |
| 17:52.26 | jpa_ | that is a shell-account you want |
| 17:52.45 | jpa_ | usually it is possible to get some port open for you |
| 17:52.50 | menotume | they still won't let you do it (paydor webhosting sites) |
| 17:53.09 | menotume | if so, they'll charge you for bandwdith |
| 17:54.08 | TD-Linux | can you help me fix my C++ problem? |
| 17:54.11 | meacan | its really dependent on the host. Some dosnt care (trafic is trafic, no matter what type). others are scared of security implications and stability. Not to say when people mess up their account with wierd problems.. Then they expect support to fix it |
| 17:54.35 | TD-Linux | can you fix my C++ bug? |
| 17:55.04 | TD-Linux | the bug is in 1 line |
| 17:55.31 | jpa_ | menotume: well, not web-hosting but shell accounts might do, atleast it seems to be fine for mine |
| 17:56.12 | menotume | i have never seen a webhoster that allows servers |
| 17:56.26 | TD-Linux | join #C++ |
| 17:56.30 | TD-Linux | oops |
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| 18:02.24 | Demon[transl] | guys need to go. girlfriend is waiting. translation is half done. see ya tomorrow i guess! |
| 18:21.09 | zoly | menotume, rpg, are you alive ? |
| 18:21.18 | menotume | no |
| 18:21.33 | zoly | i need referee advice |
| 18:24.07 | menotume | if it's quick |
| 18:24.54 | zoly | quick. io pm you ? |
| 18:25.01 | menotume | yes |
| 18:32.56 | TD-Linux | I need C++ help |
| 18:33.08 | TD-Linux | the people at #c++ ar busy |
| 18:33.15 | TD-Linux | why dosen't this line work? : |
| 18:33.17 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.45 | trepan | ~stl |
| 18:33.45 | ibot | i heard stl is fine, it's jsut the implemenations / compielr that suck |
| 18:34.20 | meacan | TD-Linux: without context and error message its going to be hard to help you |
| 18:34.34 | TD-Linux | I get a big mound of errors |
| 18:34.47 | TD-Linux | most of which were produced from code from #C++ |
| 18:34.50 | TD-Linux | here they come: |
| 18:34.54 | meacan | nooo |
| 18:34.57 | meacan | pastebin |
| 18:35.12 | TD-Linux | the most relevant: |
| 18:35.13 | TD-Linux | capComments.cpp:27: error: missing template arguments before "commentFile" |
| 18:35.13 | TD-Linux | capComments.cpp:27: error: expected `;' before "commentFile" |
| 18:35.13 | TD-Linux | capComments.cpp:28: error: `commentFile' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 18:36.00 | meacan | TD-Linux: why are you using basic_ifstream and not ifstream? |
| 18:36.12 | TD-Linux | because ifstream gives me errors too |
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| 18:36.31 | TD-Linux | wait a minute.. |
| 18:37.07 | TD-Linux | capComments.cpp:26: error: no matching function for call to `std::basic_ifstream<char, std::char_traits<char> >::basic_ifstream(std::string&)' |
| 18:37.17 | TD-Linux | I am calling ifstream |
| 18:37.34 | TD-Linux | actually: std::ifstream |
| 18:37.41 | TD-Linux | with #include <ifstream> |
| 18:37.46 | meacan | TD-Linux: but that wasnt what you pasted |
| 18:38.27 | TD-Linux | ok, I am trying to open a file and write each line to an item in a vector |
| 18:38.39 | TD-Linux | here is the code, mostly copied from #c++: |
| 18:38.42 | RatOmeter | y'all notice that everything under http://bzflag.org/wiki/ comes up "Internal Server Error"? |
| 18:38.56 | TD-Linux | void CommentList::loadCommentList(std::string fileName) |
| 18:38.56 | TD-Linux | { |
| 18:38.56 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.56 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.56 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.57 | TD-Linux | }; |
| 18:39.06 | TD-Linux | oops, a bit too many lines |
| 18:40.01 | trepan | #include <fstream> ? (depends on your setup) |
| 18:40.06 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 18:40.37 | TD-Linux | I #included fstream |
| 18:41.06 | TD-Linux | that for loop I copied from somebody, I am suspicious of it |
| 18:41.20 | TD-Linux | maybe I should just stick to arrays |
| 18:41.53 | TD-Linux | hmm... |
| 18:44.24 | menotume | wth ? |
| 18:44.28 | menotume | is that C ? |
| 18:44.29 | menotume | :) |
| 18:44.43 | TD-Linux | I think C++ |
| 18:44.44 | meacan | I cant see why your compiler should complain about fstream should be missing template arguments |
| 18:45.09 | TD-Linux | I'm asking at #c++ |
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| 19:03.01 | TimRiker | RatOmeter: fixed. been meaning to get around to that. |
| 19:10.54 | TimRiker | k. wiki should be stable and fixed. |
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| 19:15.29 | geoffrey | how do you set the laser range to 600 units? |
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| 19:18.07 | geoffrey | _laserAdVelocity? |
| 19:20.05 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 19:20.13 | TD-Linux | or _laserAdRate |
| 19:20.17 | TD-Linux | or something |
| 19:20.35 | TD-Linux | try setting it to a value like 1 or 10 to see if you have the right variable |
| 19:20.45 | geoffrey | hmm... |
| 19:20.56 | geoffrey | ruskie thinks _laserAdVel 20 |
| 19:21.11 | TD-Linux | that sounds like the right variable |
| 19:21.29 | geoffrey | time for some testing :) |
| 19:21.29 | TD-Linux | the value might not be in m |
| 19:25.44 | meacan | geoffrey: "_laserAdLife - How long a laser remains after being fired." ? |
| 19:27.20 | geoffrey | nah, it seems to be _laserAdVel |
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| 19:45.29 | TD-Linux | and it dosent! |
| 19:45.38 | TD-Linux | anyone want to fix-my-code? |
| 19:46.11 | blast007 | what about it "doesn't work" |
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| 20:12.56 | geoffrey | hi |
| 20:13.11 | geoffrey | is there any reason for me to be getting "error connecting to server" when trying to join silvercat? |
| 20:16.42 | orchid | wait a while, try again |
| 20:16.53 | geoffrey | been trying for a couple of days :P |
| 20:17.16 | orchid | hmm, your not banned are you? |
| 20:17.20 | geoffrey | no |
| 20:17.54 | TD-Linux | guess what /me did today |
| 20:18.27 | geoffrey | /you wrote a plugin |
| 20:19.17 | TD-Linux | melted silkscreen smells awful |
| 20:19.32 | TD-Linux | then, while /me was probing around the board with a voltmeter |
| 20:19.41 | TD-Linux | with the battery still on, of course |
| 20:19.54 | TD-Linux | me hit two contacts, again main power ones, with a probe |
| 20:20.18 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 20:22.07 | TD-Linux | ~burnt silkscreeen |
| 20:22.09 | TD-Linux | oops |
| 20:22.18 | RatOmeter | sounds like you need to lay off the caffiene, or something |
| 20:23.48 | TD-Linux | ~RatOmeter++ |
| 20:24.25 | TD-Linux | SX microcontroller, like a PIC but 1 instruction/clock cycle and can run at up to 75 MHz |
| 20:24.42 | RatOmeter | maybe, if the short was just twixt power leads/traces. If that amount of current went thru the uC, then bye-bye |
| 20:24.54 | TD-Linux | yes, a couple power traces |
| 20:25.12 | TD-Linux | the uC is a TQFP package |
| 20:25.22 | TD-Linux | it would have been obvious if it had died ;) |
| 20:25.37 | RatOmeter | prolly woulda dang near jumped off the board |
| 20:25.48 | RatOmeter | or at least pieces of it |
| 20:26.33 | TD-Linux | they made a sizzling noise and the melted carbon bubbled |
| 20:26.54 | RatOmeter | bet they don't smell as bad as exploded electrolytic caps, though |
| 20:27.00 | TD-Linux | not near as bad |
| 20:28.44 | RatOmeter | that's essentially what the so-called "cold heat" irons are |
| 20:28.53 | TD-Linux | I saw them at Radioshack |
| 20:28.57 | RatOmeter | yep |
| 20:29.05 | TD-Linux | Radioshack has no headers! That makes /me so mad |
| 20:29.32 | RatOmeter | DIP headers? |
| 20:29.37 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 20:29.49 | RatOmeter | mmmm, digikey is my buddy |
| 20:31.07 | TD-Linux | I am strange in that whenever I order from Digikey or All Electronics, I HAVE to buy LEDs |
| 20:31.24 | TD-Linux | there is always some cool LED I need |
| 20:31.40 | TD-Linux | plus, LED's don't explode or smell bad when you put them in backwards |
| 20:31.53 | RatOmeter | heh, I made an LED toy for my boy. put a bunch of LEDs on a perfboard and wired them to the ejector motor of a trashed CD-ROM drive |
| 20:32.30 | TD-Linux | using the ejector motor as a generator? |
| 20:32.36 | RatOmeter | yep, look here |
| 20:32.38 | RatOmeter | http://www.fieldlines.com/comments/2005/1/9/2396/48527/4#4 |
| 20:33.34 | TD-Linux | ahh, so you pull the tray in and out? |
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| 20:34.04 | RatOmeter | they're interspersed with half one polarity, half the other. pulling the CD drawer out lights one half, pushing it in the other |
| 20:34.19 | TD-Linux | neat |
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| 20:36.18 | TD-Linux | I just got my order from Digi-Key. The bags say not to open them except in a static workstation. I sit down on my capreted floor and dump them out. :) |
| 20:37.04 | RatOmeter | yeah, I take the basic precautions with expensive devices, but in 20 years of messing with electronic components, never trashed one with static |
| 20:37.36 | TD-Linux | My cousin once put in a chip backwards and got it embedded in the tile ceiling |
| 20:37.48 | TD-Linux | He also made a breadboard glow bright orange |
| 20:38.49 | TD-Linux | most of /me's incidents involved stray paperclips |
| 20:39.11 | RatOmeter | yah. I was on a business trip (in the olden days) working with a Z80 based computer. Had with me 1 Z80 processor and one in-circuit emulator. |
| 20:39.36 | Birdie | hey jolly! long time no see |
| 20:39.36 | RatOmeter | stuck the Z80 in backward. Had to use the emulator the rest of the week until a replacement could be found |
| 20:39.50 | TD-Linux | how did the Z80 smell? |
| 20:39.58 | RatOmeter | nope, died silently |
| 20:40.11 | TD-Linux | that |
| 20:40.15 | RatOmeter | didn't even let out the magic smoke |
| 20:40.24 | TD-Linux | that's strange, all mine are quite dramatic |
| 20:40.35 | RatOmeter | ooh, I've seen dramatic |
| 20:41.03 | blast007 | 110V shorted out isn't fun ;) |
| 20:42.00 | TD-Linux | What's worse than smoke is when you pull out a crystal oscillator from a socket and a pin gets wedged under your fingernail.. |
| 20:42.06 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 20:42.07 | jolly | hey Birdie! :) |
| 20:42.09 | RatOmeter | a machine we built had a 75 HP, 480 volt variable speed drive in it with flawed controls. It failed and shorted the DC buss. The buss caps blew so hard it blew the door off the enclosure |
| 20:42.12 | RatOmeter | ouch! |
| 20:42.36 | Birdie | ~karma jolly |
| 20:42.36 | ibot | jolly has karma of 1 |
| 20:42.40 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 20:44.00 | jolly | lol :) |
| 20:44.15 | TD-Linux | have you ever seen a microwave capacator being shorted? |
| 20:44.25 | TD-Linux | I didn't do it, but there are some great internet videos |
| 20:44.34 | TD-Linux | my dad woulnn't let me short it out :( |
| 20:46.00 | TD-Linux | we should make an IRC channel devoted to destruction of electronics ;) |
| 20:48.05 | TD-Linux | look at what I got from ~lart: |
| 20:48.07 | TD-Linux | bzbloot forces td-linux to use Outlook Express |
| 20:48.56 | TD-Linux | try ~larting the bot that ~larts, it's funny |
| 20:49.46 | RatOmeter | If you're interested in linux, electronics *and* renewable energy, then I know an IRC channel you'd like |
| 20:49.58 | TD-Linux | huh? what? |
| 20:50.16 | TD-Linux | what does linux and renewable energy have to do with each other? |
| 20:50.41 | RatOmeter | nothing except that the folks on that channel are (mostly) into all 3 |
| 20:50.59 | TD-Linux | what is the channel name? am i going to regret asking? |
| 20:51.15 | RatOmeter | but since the channel is really dedicated to RE, the other 2 are ancillary |
| 20:51.28 | RatOmeter | #otherpower at irc.anotherpower.com |
| 20:51.56 | RatOmeter | but you'd really best check out http://otherpower.com first |
| 20:52.05 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 20:52.08 | RatOmeter | only if you're into RE |
| 20:52.12 | TD-Linux | #botpark is fun |
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| 21:05.33 | RPG_ | hi |
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| 21:06.00 | RPG_ | hi |
| 21:06.19 | RatOmeter | 'lo |
| 21:06.34 | RPG_ | blast007: are you still getting those fd_set errors? |
| 21:06.53 | blast007 | I was, but I found a fix (or at least a temporary fix) |
| 21:06.57 | blast007 | 1 sec |
| 21:07.07 | blast007 | open up win32.h in the bzflag source |
| 21:07.08 | RPG_ | i got rid of all my 1,000 errors |
| 21:07.44 | RatOmeter | but still plenty of warnings ;) |
| 21:07.59 | blast007 | after the #define _WINSOCKAPI_ (not sure if that's the exact wording) add a new line with this: #include <winsock2.h> |
| 21:08.16 | RPG_ | i can't find win32.h in the bzflag project file |
| 21:09.10 | RPG_ | blast007: did you commit that? |
| 21:09.12 | blast007 | let me look |
| 21:09.17 | blast007 | no, I'm not a dev ;) |
| 21:09.19 | RPG_ | oh |
| 21:09.47 | blast007 | it's in the include directory of the bzflag source |
| 21:10.14 | RPG_ | k |
| 21:10.34 | RatOmeter | you're including winsock2.h inside win32.h? |
| 21:10.40 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:10.58 | RatOmeter | not really the, uh, recommended route |
| 21:11.08 | RPG_ | temporoary fix |
| 21:11.11 | RatOmeter | OK |
| 21:11.25 | RPG_ | seems to be workign so far |
| 21:11.42 | blast007 | RatOmeter: it's perfectly legitimate |
| 21:11.48 | blast007 | even common.h does it |
| 21:13.52 | RPG_ | what ever happened to Chris Schoeman, the original author of BZFlag? |
| 21:14.06 | RatOmeter | Hokay. I would have considered it a more application level dependency |
| 21:14.32 | RPG_ | Build: 9 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped |
| 21:14.34 | RPG_ | whoo |
| 21:18.13 | blast007 | I tried adding the include to several locations, but it tended to just create more errors ;) |
| 21:23.34 | RatOmeter | you building with Visual C++? |
| 21:23.39 | RPG_testing | yep |
| 21:23.48 | JeffM2501 | you should not have to change any includes |
| 21:24.26 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I was having build issues too |
| 21:24.34 | JeffM2501 | and the issue was? |
| 21:24.51 | blast007 | syntax error with fd_set in curl/multi.h, iirc |
| 21:24.57 | RPG_testing | same with m |
| 21:24.59 | RPG_testing | e |
| 21:25.04 | JeffM2501 | how old is the code? |
| 21:25.07 | JeffM2501 | and what version of VC? |
| 21:25.10 | RPG_testing | anon CVS right now |
| 21:25.15 | RPG_testing | 2003 |
| 21:25.18 | blast007 | I updated earlier today |
| 21:25.21 | RatOmeter | I temporarily gave up building it in the msys environment, should probably try with VC. much more familiar there |
| 21:25.24 | blast007 | Visual Studio .NET 2003 |
| 21:25.25 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:25.26 | RPG_testing | 7.1 |
| 21:25.27 | JeffM2501 | let me get clean |
| 21:25.31 | JeffM2501 | I know what it could be |
| 21:25.34 | blast007 | k |
| 21:25.37 | RPG_testing | yay |
| 21:26.01 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 21:26.06 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 73°F (12:50 PM PDT on August 17, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 63°F. Wind: WNW at 9 mph (15 km/h). Pressure: 29.94 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 7.0 miles (11.3 kilometers). UV: 11 out of 16 |
| 21:26.38 | JeffM2501 | curl is evil |
| 21:26.57 | JeffM2501 | are you all building form the .sln? not some .vcproj? |
| 21:27.26 | RPG_ | building from the .sln |
| 21:27.40 | JeffM2501 | and you did a rebuild solution? |
| 21:27.52 | RPG_ | yes |
| 21:27.55 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:28.05 | JeffM2501 | getting the stuff now |
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| 21:29.34 | JeffM2501 | I hate curl |
| 21:29.41 | JeffM2501 | actualy I hate ares more |
| 21:29.42 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:30.15 | JeffM2501 | are you building debug or release? |
| 21:30.19 | RPG_ | debug |
| 21:30.20 | blast007 | debug |
| 21:30.24 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:30.45 | JeffM2501 | the problem happens when common builds? |
| 21:30.48 | JeffM2501 | or in another project? |
| 21:31.23 | blast007 | there, and bzfs and bzflag |
| 21:31.39 | JeffM2501 | last night I wasn't really listening to your problems RPG_, I was playing CoH :) |
| 21:37.08 | JeffM2501 | I just got clean CVS |
| 21:37.15 | JeffM2501 | into a new dir |
| 21:37.20 | JeffM2501 | rebult all |
| 21:37.25 | JeffM2501 | and It just worked fine |
| 21:37.39 | JeffM2501 | ok, things for you all to try |
| 21:37.56 | JeffM2501 | 1) throw away all your debug folders, NCB and OPT files |
| 21:38.17 | JeffM2501 | or 2) checkout a clean set of sources into a new dir and build from there |
| 21:38.31 | JeffM2501 | I am thinking you have something left over from the old code that is screwing you up. |
| 21:38.45 | JeffM2501 | rebuild solution dosn't allways get all files |
| 21:39.15 | JeffM2501 | or #3) SF hasn't really updated anon cvs |
| 21:39.25 | blast007 | I'm doing a clean build, from a clean checkout, and getting the error |
| 21:39.32 | JeffM2501 | wierdness |
| 21:39.39 | JeffM2501 | oen your cURLManager.h file |
| 21:39.47 | blast007 | cURLManager.cxx |
| 21:39.47 | blast007 | c:\libraries\curl-7.14.0-win32-nossl-devel\include\curl\multi.h(159) : error C2061: syntax error : identifier 'fd_set' |
| 21:39.49 | blast007 | k |
| 21:40.00 | JeffM2501 | is the part that says _WINSOCK2API_ in the header commented out? |
| 21:40.17 | JeffM2501 | hmmm maybe you are using a difrent curl then I am |
| 21:40.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm on 7.11.1 |
| 21:40.31 | blast007 | the undef line? |
| 21:40.37 | JeffM2501 | yes the undef line |
| 21:40.43 | blast007 | yep, it's commented out |
| 21:40.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:40.47 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 21:40.57 | JeffM2501 | well let me upgrade curl and see what the deal is |
| 21:41.02 | blast007 | k |
| 21:41.12 | JeffM2501 | see why I hate curl :) |
| 21:41.28 | blast007 | I built this curl myself, cuz they didn't have any non-ssl dev libraries available |
| 21:42.00 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah the do |
| 21:42.06 | JeffM2501 | what section did you look upnder |
| 21:42.11 | JeffM2501 | http://curl.haxx.se/download.html |
| 21:43.05 | JeffM2501 | Win32 - MSVC - >the one by Stefaan Vandendriessche |
| 21:44.11 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, where did you get your libcurl? |
| 21:44.37 | blast007 | when I got it, they didn't have the one |
| 21:44.51 | silverfox | how do you change the percentage necessary to pass a poll if -votepercentage is gone? |
| 21:45.29 | blast007 | it's part of -poll now |
| 21:45.53 | blast007 | -poll votePercentage 50.1 |
| 21:47.25 | silverfox | thats a switch, not the bzdb var, right? |
| 21:47.37 | blast007 | it might be in BZDB too, not sure |
| 21:47.42 | silverfox | what is the bzdb "poll" anyhow? Why doesn't it have the preceding _ |
| 21:47.52 | blast007 | but yeah, that's a command line switch |
| 21:48.59 | JeffM2501 | ok got the error |
| 21:49.02 | JeffM2501 | working on fixing it |
| 21:49.38 | blast007 | k |
| 21:50.46 | trepan | silverfox: because it's some sort of kludge |
| 21:50.52 | JeffM2501 | ok blast007 can you try something for me? |
| 21:50.57 | blast007 | sure |
| 21:51.10 | JeffM2501 | add #include "network.h" |
| 21:51.10 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.21 | JeffM2501 | before the curl include |
| 21:51.28 | JeffM2501 | and try that |
| 21:51.31 | JeffM2501 | it works for me |
| 21:51.36 | JeffM2501 | want to see if it does for you too |
| 21:52.08 | blast007 | k, cURLManager.cxx build without errors now |
| 21:52.14 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:52.18 | JeffM2501 | how about bzfs and bzflag? |
| 21:52.30 | blast007 | still building other stuff now |
| 21:52.34 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:52.38 | JeffM2501 | I am thinking they will |
| 21:53.09 | blast007 | they all had the same error, so that is very likely |
| 21:53.19 | JeffM2501 | from the same include ;) |
| 21:53.25 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:53.53 | JeffM2501 | if that works for you I'll comit it in a sec |
| 21:53.58 | blast007 | k |
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| 22:08.58 | blast007 | JeffM2501: that works now |
| 22:09.14 | JeffM2501 | ok good |
| 22:09.50 | JeffM2501 | if you see RPG_ and I don't can you let him know the fix, it could take time for the commit to get to you all |
| 22:10.39 | blast007 | sure |
| 22:16.45 | RPG_ | sorry |
| 22:16.49 | RPG_ | mowed the lawn too |
| 22:18.21 | RPG_ | i found a BZFlag nusiance bug |
| 22:21.01 | blast007 | RPG_: do you see the real fix above? |
| 22:21.08 | blast007 | the network.h thing |
| 22:21.10 | RPG_ | didn't read all of it |
| 22:21.18 | RPG_ | i'll just get the new CVS when it comes out |
| 22:21.29 | RPG_ | i mean BZFS builds fine, so why apply a real fix |
| 22:21.37 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:21.48 | RPG_ | don't wnat to break anythign fiurther |
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| 22:24.43 | RPG_ | wow |
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| 22:24.56 | RPG_ | i submitted a bug report, and right when i did, it was assigned to tim riker |
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| 22:29.11 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, it's called "auto assign" |
| 22:29.17 | RPG_ | oh |
| 22:29.19 | JeffM2501 | API bugs are auto asigned to me |
| 22:29.23 | JeffM2501 | what is the bug? |
| 22:29.49 | RPG_ | when you /set an undefined variable, it prints "RPG has changed undefinedVariable to (blah)" |
| 22:29.56 | RPG_ | gives no hint that the variable doesn't exist |
| 22:30.14 | blast007 | it does tell you |
| 22:30.26 | blast007 | but it still announces there was a change |
| 22:30.36 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:32.44 | menotume | yes it does, right before that it tells you that the var doesn't exist |
| 22:32.58 | menotume | well, it tells the person who tried to set it :) |
| 22:33.08 | RPG_ | oh |
| 22:33.14 | menotume | ohh, blast beat me too it |
| 22:33.15 | RPG_ | but it still says "RPG has chnaged blah blah blah..." |
| 22:33.34 | menotume | RPG_: yes, and it announces it to everyone else |
| 22:33.37 | RPG_ | ^ that's the bug i was referring ot |
| 22:33.44 | menotume | gotya |
| 22:34.08 | menotume | diffs welcome :) |
| 22:34.51 | RPG_ | it was already auto-assigned to tim riker |
| 22:34.58 | menotume | hehe |
| 22:35.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah they way it does it, it dosnt' allow for a return value |
| 22:35.41 | JeffM2501 | so the thing that says "this dude did this" happens after the error is made |
| 22:36.10 | menotume | move the dude ? |
| 22:36.16 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:36.28 | JeffM2501 | check the return :) |
| 22:36.30 | JeffM2501 | fixing now :) |
| 22:37.09 | blast007 | I think it also announces a change if you just type "/set _variableName" (a.k.a. no value, so no change) |
| 22:37.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:37.30 | JeffM2501 | this will make sure the set worked before it does anything |
| 22:37.34 | JeffM2501 | it won't even send it out :) |
| 22:37.37 | JeffM2501 | if it's invald |
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| 22:39.39 | RPG_ | jeff: in the game, with my plugin loaded, i typed /set _allowPlayersDuringMatch (the variable I had the plugin register) true, but it remained false. |
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| 22:40.10 | RPG_ | wanna see the code? |
| 22:40.17 | JeffM2501 | what permision did you set it to when you made it? |
| 22:40.39 | RPG_ | bz_setBZDBBool("_allowPlayersDuringMatch", false, BZ_BZDBPERM_USER, true); |
| 22:41.07 | JeffM2501 | you want it as perm user |
| 22:41.20 | JeffM2501 | sorry perm server |
| 22:41.53 | JeffM2501 | does your var show when you do /set ? |
| 22:41.55 | JeffM2501 | to list them? |
| 22:41.58 | RPG_ | yep |
| 22:42.03 | JeffM2501 | make it server |
| 22:42.12 | JeffM2501 | that's how rainType is set |
| 22:42.31 | RPG_ | when i do /set _allowPlayersDuringMatch, to make it true, can i type "1", "true" or "yes"? |
| 22:42.46 | RPG_ | and false: "0", "false", "no"? |
| 22:43.46 | JeffM2501 | 0 or 1 IIRC |
| 22:43.51 | JeffM2501 | just like any other thing |
| 22:43.54 | RPG_ | k |
| 22:46.15 | RPG_ | variable _allowplayersduringmatch is not writeable |
| 22:46.23 | RPG_ | that was BZFS's error message |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 22:47.21 | JeffM2501 | wonder how raintype works then |
| 22:47.27 | JeffM2501 | when are you creating it? |
| 22:47.36 | RPG_ | bz_load |
| 22:47.47 | JeffM2501 | that shoudl be soon enough |
| 22:48.02 | RPG_ | its after i register all the events, though |
| 22:48.06 | JeffM2501 | you have /set perm in the system? |
| 22:48.26 | RPG_ | i typed in the server password |
| 22:48.30 | RPG_ | so i had everything |
| 22:48.34 | JeffM2501 | don't set it as persistnat |
| 22:48.38 | RPG_ | ok |
| 22:48.41 | RPG_ | what does that mean,anyways? |
| 22:48.48 | JeffM2501 | if it's in the config and stuff |
| 22:48.51 | JeffM2501 | for the client |
| 22:48.57 | JeffM2501 | bzdb is used by client and server |
| 22:49.08 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what was that bug ID? |
| 22:49.17 | RPG_ | the very first one :) |
| 22:49.18 | RPG_ | for BZFS |
| 22:49.24 | JeffM2501 | the /set one |
| 22:49.26 | RPG_ | yep |
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| 22:50.54 | RPG_ | it's still not writeable |
| 22:50.58 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 22:51.04 | JeffM2501 | I'm not a bzdb expert |
| 22:51.13 | RPG_ | who is? |
| 22:51.24 | JeffM2501 | the author of it |
| 22:51.53 | RPG_ | i'll try BZDBPERM_CLIENT just for kicks |
| 22:52.50 | RPG_ | nahh |
| 22:52.52 | RPG_ | still not writable |
| 22:53.02 | RPG_ | guess i'll do my own config system |
| 22:53.06 | JeffM2501 | it may be that the client dosn't think it can't write anything except the ones it knows about |
| 22:53.13 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, you give up so easy |
| 22:53.26 | RPG_ | it's there when i type /st |
| 22:53.29 | RPG_ | /ste |
| 22:53.32 | RPG_ | /set |
| 22:53.39 | JeffM2501 | listing is not the same as setting |
| 22:55.09 | JeffM2501 | dtr knows a lot more about bzdb then I do |
| 22:55.27 | JeffM2501 | I just copy other functions that use them when I use it :) |
| 22:55.38 | JeffM2501 | it could be that it dosn't have a mod callback |
| 22:55.44 | JeffM2501 | so I may need to add one of those |
| 22:57.37 | RPG_ | ok |
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| 23:55.22 | brad2901 | Player <insert_playername_here>[5] removed at 2005-08-18 00:52:20: Write error EAGAIN |
| 23:55.32 | brad2901 | Could you tell me what that means please? |
| 23:58.56 | brlcad | Write error "Electronic Arts Gamers Are Idiot Neanderthals" |
| 23:59.02 | menotume | EAGAIN usually means that a write operation was interrupted before it wrote all of it's data |
| 23:59.12 | menotume | oh yeah, that too |
| 23:59.29 | brad2901 | lol brlcad :) |
| 23:59.51 | brlcad | it sensed the presence of another game, and gave them the boot |