irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050805

`00:00.34`	`wizart`	`src is my ip address`
`00:00.54`	`blast007`	`69.28.129.167 is the list server`
`00:01.10`	`wizart`	`ah.`
`00:01.13`	`blast007`	`or secretplace I guess`
`00:01.18`	`wizart`	`secretplace`
`00:01.40`	`wizart`	`bzflag.secretplace.us`
`00:01.46`	`JeffM2501`	`list server is in the same place :)`
`00:01.47`	`wizart`	`is this the list server ?`
`00:01.49`	`wizart`	`ah`
`00:01.50`	`wizart`	`ok`
`00:02.04`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot nslookup my.bzflag.org`
`00:02.24`	`JeffM2501`	`yes that is the list server`
`00:02.36`	`wizart`	`so. what is happening? I ty to contact the list server on exit from bzflag ?`
`00:02.43`	`wizart`	`to sign off ?`
`00:03.00`	`JeffM2501`	`we connect many times for global auth`
`00:03.28`	`wizart`	ah. and now it's closing these connection `
`00:03.29`	`wizart`	`?`
`00:03.35`	`JeffM2501`	`probably`
`00:10.31`	`*** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`00:10.44`	`Gnurdux`	`so where in the server actually sends the physics driver`
`00:12.22`	`JeffM2501`	`when the world is sent`
`00:14.03`	`Gnurdux`	`oh`
`00:14.12`	`Gnurdux`	`where is that?`
`00:14.56`	`Gnurdux`	`does it just send the print function from the physicsdriver?`
`00:15.58`	`JeffM2501`	`it will be in pack`
`00:16.15`	`JeffM2501`	`follow the logic path`
`00:16.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not complex`
`00:17.26`	`Gnurdux`	`ah`
`00:17.27`	`Gnurdux`	`pack`
`00:17.31`	`Gnurdux`	`thats in the manager`
`00:17.40`	`JeffM2501`	`there are many pack functions`
`00:17.45`	`Gnurdux`	`oh wait`
`00:17.47`	`Gnurdux`	`and the driver`
`00:17.49`	`JeffM2501`	`it all follows a serialistaion paradigm`
`00:18.01`	`JeffM2501`	`you know, all object oriented`
`00:18.35`	`*** join/#bzflag menotume (~newbie@menotume.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`00:18.46`	`Gnurdux`	`i can tell`
`00:18.48`	`Gnurdux`	`its cool`
`00:18.59`	`Gnurdux`	`is there an nboPackBool?`
`00:19.00`	`*** join/#bzflag bz6490 (~44d8bb16@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`00:19.40`	`Gnurdux`	`also, is unpack what the client uses to unpack?`
`00:19.53`	`JeffM2501`	`there is no bools used, use a char`
`00:20.05`	`Gnurdux`	`there is a pack char`
`00:20.06`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`00:20.13`	`JeffM2501`	`and yes one would logicaly think that you would UN pack something you packed`
`00:20.32`	`Gnurdux`	`so thats how the client gets it`
`00:20.33`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`00:20.38`	`JeffM2501`	`go look and see`
`00:20.51`	`Gnurdux`	`im too much of a newb`
`00:21.00`	`Gnurdux`	`ill just try i guess`
`00:21.17`	`JeffM2501`	`not willing to look has nothing to do wit your noobness, it has to do with lazyness`
`00:21.52`	`Gnurdux`	`well both`
`00:21.55`	`SportyGal`	`~lart menotume for fixing the wrong bug`
`00:21.59`	`menotume`	`~lart me`
`00:22.07`	`Gnurdux`	`im gonna try this`
`00:22.10`	`Gnurdux`	`and see if it breaks`
`00:22.14`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1)`
`00:24.52`	`Gnurdux`	`ok im compilign now`
`00:24.59`	`Gnurdux`	`i havent put the code in the client yet`
`00:25.37`	`wegstar`	`~slap wegstar`
`00:25.37`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps wegstar, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`00:27.33`	`wegstar`	`is there anything wrong with this?: http://pastebin.ca/19343`
`00:27.40`	`wegstar`	`nothing's hapenning :(`
`00:30.07`	`Gnurdux`	PhysicsDriver.cxx:322: error: `nboUnpackChar' undeclared (first use this
`00:30.07`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:30.38`	`Gnurdux`	`wegstar, looks cool`
`00:30.41`	`JeffM2501`	`wegstar, define nothing happening? is it geting into your event code?`
`00:30.48`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, comeon man think a bit`
`00:30.50`	`wegstar`	`no...`
`00:31.10`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, you said you could do it with chars`
`00:31.10`	`JeffM2501`	`have you set breakpoints and seen if it even gets into your root call?`
`00:31.12`	`DTRemenak`	`wegstar, default should be last`
`00:31.14`	`Gnurdux`	`whats the func called?`
`00:31.19`	`wegstar`	`umm`
`00:31.21`	`DTRemenak`	`they're processed in order`
`00:31.21`	`wegstar`	`oh`
`00:31.26`	`blast007`	`Gnurdux: look for the nbo functions`
`00:31.35`	`DTRemenak`	`if you have default first default will always be called and it will just break out`
`00:31.53`	`blast007`	`DTRemenak: hmm...I have one like that, and it works`
`00:31.54`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, use the tools at your disposal`
`00:32.06`	`DTRemenak`	`blast007, heh, it shouldn't`
`00:32.08`	`DTRemenak`	`what compiler?`
`00:32.09`	`wegstar`	`same here`
`00:32.16`	`blast007`	`VC .Net 2003`
`00:32.19`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, wierd`
`00:32.22`	`Gnurdux`	`ig`
`00:32.25`	`wegstar`	`VC express thingy`
`00:32.26`	`Gnurdux`	`oh`
`00:32.27`	`Gnurdux`	`ubyte?`
`00:32.28`	`blast007`	`it was copied from one of the sample plugins`
`00:32.48`	`DTRemenak`	`they must have done reordering code then`
`00:32.49`	`DTRemenak`	`cool`
`00:33.02`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, if you are changing the pack stuff, then noone other then the people who have your clients will be able to connect, others will crash. you must bump your bzfs protocoll version to prevent this`
`00:33.28`	`Gnurdux`	`i dont really care`
`00:33.32`	`JeffM2501`	`we do`
`00:33.38`	`Gnurdux`	`its my server`
`00:33.44`	`JeffM2501`	`if you host a server that crashes clients, you will be removed from the list server`
`00:33.47`	`Gnurdux`	`ill just put something in server msg`
`00:33.48`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`00:33.49`	`Gnurdux`	`...`
`00:33.50`	`JeffM2501`	`do you understand?`
`00:33.53`	`Gnurdux`	`then ill deal with it`
`00:34.01`	`JeffM2501`	`they will NEVER see the server message`
`00:34.07`	`JeffM2501`	`since they can't enven get to you`
`00:34.11`	`Gnurdux`	`yes i get it`
`00:34.21`	`wegstar`	`O_o`
`00:34.21`	`JeffM2501`	`change your proto version`
`00:34.24`	`JeffM2501`	`then it will be all good`
`00:34.26`	`Gnurdux`	`how?`
`00:34.29`	`wegstar`	`wtf.. moving default to the end fixed it...`
`00:34.32`	`JeffM2501`	`then only those with your version will see your server`
`00:34.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it's in the version header`
`00:34.39`	`blast007`	`wegstar: hmmm...`
`00:34.45`	`JeffM2501`	`search for 0026`
`00:34.56`	`Gnurdux`	`ah thnx`
`00:36.00`	`Gnurdux`	`version.h doesnt say 0026 anywhere?`
`00:36.20`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's in a difrent file`
`00:36.22`	`JeffM2501`	`search`
`00:36.25`	`JeffM2501`	`use your noodle`
`00:36.33`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`00:37.43`	`wegstar`	`blast007: magic`
`00:37.47`	`menotume`	`yum, noodles`
`00:37.53`	`blast007`	`magic is good`
`00:38.02`	`bryjen`	`except when its bad`
`00:38.06`	`blast007`	`right`
`00:38.48`	`Gnurdux`	`#define BZ_CONFIG_DIR_VERSION"2.0"`
`00:38.55`	`Gnurdux`	`isthat the protocol?`
`00:38.56`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:39.14`	`*** join/#bzflag wegstar_ (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro)`
`00:39.15`	`blast007`	`that's the 'config directory version' :P`
`00:39.28`	`JeffM2501`	`grep was your LAST choice?`
`00:39.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think he can read`
`00:39.42`	`Gnurdux`	`grep -R 0026 *`
`00:40.20`	`Gnurdux`	`src/date/buildDate.cxx:#define BZ_PROTO_VERSION "0026"`
`00:40.31`	`blast007`	`there ya go`
`00:40.36`	`Gnurdux`	`you said it was in a header!`
`00:40.43`	`JeffM2501`	`I was wrong`
`00:40.48`	`Gnurdux`	`what should i make it?`
`00:40.50`	`JeffM2501`	`you think I know the entire source treee in my head`
`00:40.51`	`Gnurdux`	`0027?`
`00:40.56`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:40.56`	`Gnurdux`	`yup`
`00:40.59`	`JeffM2501`	`make it like all big`
`00:41.02`	`JeffM2501`	`so we don't run over you`
`00:41.02`	`menotume`	`0123`
`00:41.03`	`Gnurdux`	`0026-Gnurdux`
`00:41.09`	`JeffM2501`	`no it has to be 4`
`00:41.10`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`00:41.10`	`Gnurdux`	`does it have to be a number`
`00:41.12`	`JeffM2501`	`9999`
`00:41.12`	`bryjen`	`only four chars`
`00:41.23`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`00:41.27`	`bryjen`	`GDX1 or something like that`
`00:41.30`	`blast007`	`Gnurdux: no, it can be letters too`
`00:41.35`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah antying that is 4`
`00:41.36`	`Gnurdux`	`GDX1`
`00:41.46`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`00:42.03`	`Gnurdux`	`no GNDX`
`00:42.07`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`00:42.09`	`Gnurdux`	`thnx`
`00:42.28`	`Gnurdux`	`if i get it working can i submit a patch or something`
`00:42.46`	`bryjen`	`that file is oddly named for its contents`
`00:43.04`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah somone moved the proto in there for some reason`
`00:43.06`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm so i cant convert a bool to an uint8_t`
`00:43.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it used to be in version`
`00:43.15`	`JeffM2501`	`sure you can`
`00:43.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I thought you knew C`
`00:43.26`	`Gnurdux`	`it doesnt seem to autocast`
`00:43.29`	`JeffM2501`	`so`
`00:43.34`	`bryjen`	`probly due to the date being appended to the version`
`00:43.37`	`JeffM2501`	`then just do a function`
`00:43.40`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, probaly`
`00:43.42`	`Gnurdux`	`i use static_cast or somesuch?`
`00:43.44`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:43.55`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak: ping`
`00:43.55`	`Gnurdux`	`error: invalid initialization of reference of type '`
`00:43.55`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:44.01`	`JeffM2501`	`mychar = mybool ? 1 : 0;`
`00:44.02`	`JeffM2501`	`dude`
`00:44.06`	`JeffM2501`	`comeon`
`00:44.09`	`Gnurdux`	`oh yeah...`
`00:44.21`	`Gnurdux`	`i didnt really know the ? operator tilll about a week ago`
`00:44.31`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe you should practice then :)`
`00:44.49`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone, pong`
`00:45.19`	`Tupone`	`I was looking at saying to configure about using automake 1.7 or greater`
`00:45.38`	`Tupone`	`but there is a problem :/`
`00:45.43`	`DTRemenak`	`m?`
`00:45.58`	`Tupone`	`we are using obsolete interface, and we should use the new one`
`00:46.07`	`bryjen`	`I guess I need some other players to test Tupone's client changes. What is it supposed to fix anyway? I thought the jitter problem was solved.`
`00:46.28`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`00:46.40`	`Tupone`	`jitter problem is not solved at all`
`00:46.46`	`bryjen`	`eep`
`00:46.47`	`wegstar`	`how do you load multiple plugins?`
`00:46.59`	`wegstar`	`-loadplugin a_list`
`00:47.17`	`wegstar`	`or -loadplugin one -loadplugin two`
`00:47.25`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak: we used AC_INIT(src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx) but we need AC_INIT(version)`
`00:47.30`	`brad2901`	`wegstar: -loadplugin one -loadplugin two`
`00:47.32`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`00:47.34`	`wegstar`	`ok`
`00:47.48`	`Tupone`	`version in AC_INIT should be static not from shell`
`00:48.37`	`Gnurdux`	`randTeleport = telchar != 0;`
`00:48.46`	`Gnurdux`	`can i do that?`
`00:49.03`	`Gnurdux`	`i guess ill see ;)`
`00:49.05`	`Tupone`	`bryjen: I used to estimate the time of the sender with 10 samples. Now I'm trying to use 100 samples, cause network overload normally get more then one packet`
`00:49.26`	`Gnurdux`	`type '`
`00:49.26`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:49.32`	`Gnurdux`	`invalid initialization of reference of type '`
`00:49.32`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:49.50`	`Tupone`	`but if time of sender is not going with the same speed of receiver there is a problem`
`00:50.22`	`Tupone`	`so 100 could be better if all computer have the same time speed`
`00:50.34`	`JeffM2501`	`how do you go up in observer?`
`00:50.52`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak: you get the problem of AC_INIT ?`
`00:50.53`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, why make it a refrence in the type?`
`00:51.00`	`Gnurdux`	`it IS a ref`
`00:51.01`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone, no :S but whatever`
`00:51.05`	`Gnurdux`	`in the function`
`00:51.09`	`Gnurdux`	`the nbo func`
`00:51.13`	`JeffM2501`	`the function TAKES a ref`
`00:51.24`	`JeffM2501`	`what did you add to the structure?`
`00:51.26`	`JeffM2501`	`another ref?`
`00:51.54`	`Gnurdux`	`yay`
`00:52.02`	`Tupone`	`lemme explain easier, we compute the version of the package with time of build, and grepping some source. We cannot do that`
`00:52.03`	`Gnurdux`	`wait its building`
`00:52.07`	`Gnurdux`	`no more errors`
`00:52.20`	`Tupone`	`because it should be static`
`00:53.11`	`*** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`00:54.19`	`Tupone`	`so, we could put there a static version, that will be different from the one displayed from bzflag/bzfs`
`00:54.42`	`Tupone`	`if we do that, we can put a requirement on automake >= 1.7`
`00:55.59`	`DTRemenak`	`I still don't get it. What is "the one displayed from bzflag/bzfs"?`
`00:56.49`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm probably just being a dolt`
`00:57.03`	`Tupone`	`the version displayed in bzflag/bzfs, like 2.0.3.20050804-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL`
`00:57.09`	`bryjen`	`I don't get why the version of the application being built has anything to do with being able to specify the version of the build tools that's required...`
`00:57.18`	`DTRemenak`	`ok...so why are we passing that to AC_INIT again?`
`00:57.36`	`Tupone`	`just for the name of the tar-ball I suppose`
`00:57.51`	`DTRemenak`	`ok...and what should we be doing?`
`00:58.01`	`Tupone`	`a static number`
`00:58.08`	`DTRemenak`	`then what will the tarball be named?`
`00:58.11`	`JeffM2501`	`anyone got a fast easy way to recursivly convert a bunch of images to png?`
`00:58.21`	`Tupone`	`bzflag-2.0.3.tgz`
`00:58.34`	`DTRemenak`	`without date?`
`00:58.41`	`menotume`	`JeffM2501: on linux, yes`
`00:58.41`	`Tupone`	`nope :/`
`00:58.52`	`*** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net)`
`00:59.13`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone, so why does it matter what we pass in again?`
`00:59.15`	`Tupone`	`we should call AC_INIT(2.0.3-r12) if we want to put a release`
`00:59.30`	`DTRemenak`	`why can that not be dynamically created?`
`00:59.35`	`JeffM2501`	`menotume, don't care how it gets done, just need it done once`
`00:59.48`	`Tupone`	`because automake/autoconf want them static`
`01:00.03`	`DTRemenak`	`...why?`
`01:00.40`	`Tupone`	`I don't know :/ Have to see the code. The way it is, just using the new interface, does not work`
`01:00.48`	`DTRemenak`	`I mean, I don't see why it worked before and will not work now...`
`01:01.00`	`DTRemenak`	`it does not seem to me that they would _remove_ functionality`
`01:01.09`	`Tupone`	`now we use AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE($VERSION)`
`01:01.20`	`menotume`	`JeffM2501: my linux comp is still packed in boxes :(`
`01:01.21`	`DTRemenak`	`that should be expanded by shell, right?`
`01:01.28`	`Tupone`	`new interface is AC_INIT(2.0.3-r12)`
`01:01.33`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`01:01.34`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe I can do it with a droplet`
`01:01.40`	`DTRemenak`	`hm`
`01:02.02`	`DTRemenak`	`why can AC_INIT not take a variable? the shell should take care of that, right?`
`01:02.18`	`Tupone`	`we have to change, because AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(1.7) is the things you want: automake >= 1.7`
`01:02.18`	`DTRemenak`	`or does it choke autoconf?`
`01:02.43`	`DTRemenak`	`so why does passing this thing in work?`
`01:02.52`	`DTRemenak`	`if it expects an automake version?`
`01:03.06`	`Tupone`	`I see I get in the config.h only the name of the shell variable, not the content`
`01:03.33`	`Tupone`	`They probably detect if I'm using the new way or the old way, don't ask me how :)`
`01:03.46`	`DTRemenak`	`something does not seem right to me :S`
`01:04.32`	`Tupone`	`if we can remove the date field from the name of the tarball, it is ok, we can put a release number`
`01:04.47`	`wegstar`	`what operator do I use to put together char*'s? or can I?`
`01:05.14`	`Tupone`	`wegstar: you want to concatenate strings ?`
`01:05.21`	`wegstar`	`yes`
`01:05.23`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone, but that will need to be changed manually in configure.ac, no?`
`01:05.46`	`wegstar`	`maybe I convert them to strings and go from there..`
`01:06.13`	`Tupone`	`version number will be put in the config.h, but then windows use its own :/`
`01:06.38`	`brlcad`	`even slightly modern automake doesn't require the version any more`
`01:06.50`	`brlcad`	`it pulls from the ac init`
`01:07.06`	`brlcad`	`i'd think bz would want to use the long-form ac_init`
`01:07.08`	`purple_cow`	`brlcad: bzflag isn't about modern, dummy`
`01:07.22`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`01:07.27`	`brlcad`	`that is true :)`
`01:08.29`	`DTRemenak`	`wegstar, use strcat or cast to std::string`
`01:08.33`	`wegstar`	`ok`
`01:10.11`	`Tupone`	`version should be a static things, or computed at autoconf time with m4 processor. So the date cannot be put there, or it will the autoconf date`
`01:10.36`	`CBG`	`bzbb won't load....?`
`01:11.47`	`CBG`	`hmmm - other sites load, so its not me...`
`01:11.48`	`JeffM2501`	`no it won't`
`01:12.03`	`CBG`	`ah. now it has.`
`01:12.09`	`CBG`	`:)`
`01:12.26`	`CBG`	`now it wont load search results.....`
`01:12.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it's probably just slow`
`01:12.41`	`wegstar`	`hmm`
`01:12.55`	`wegstar`	`how does the server do a /me thing?`
`01:12.56`	`CBG`	`does this mean the list server is alos the same?`
`01:12.57`	`menotume`	`VERY slow, all of mbo`
`01:13.04`	`CBG`	`mbo?`
`01:13.07`	`JeffM2501`	`it can happen`
`01:14.04`	`menotume`	`~dnslookup my.bzflag.org`
`01:14.40`	`*** join/#bzflag absurdhero (~absurd@c-67-172-162-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`01:14.50`	`JeffM2501`	`didn'tt know it was running a bzfs tho`
`01:15.09`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh looks like he's combined them`
`01:15.10`	`menotume`	`secretplace iirc`
`01:15.19`	`JeffM2501`	`they used to be seperate`
`01:15.23`	`menotume`	`ohh`
`01:15.39`	`wegstar`	`i.e. SERVER slaps wegstar`
`01:15.43`	`wegstar`	`is that possible?`
`01:15.53`	`CBG`	`doubt it.`
`01:16.02`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501, m.b.o has been on secretplace.us as long as I can remember. bzflag.dragon.org is on another machine.`
`01:16.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I thought he had set up a clean machine for time with mybo`
`01:16.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I could be wrong`
`01:16.59`	`menotume`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:17.06`	`JeffM2501`	`can and will`
`01:17.06`	`DTRemenak`	`iirc it was an empty server except for secretplace`
`01:17.12`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`01:17.17`	`DTRemenak`	`just kinda sitting idle most of the time`
`01:19.05`	`brlcad`	`yeah, m.b.o. was elsewhere iirc for a while`
`01:19.29`	`brlcad`	`or maybe I'm just confusing it with it's former incarnation`
`01:19.42`	`JeffM2501`	`it didn't have a former`
`01:19.44`	`JeffM2501`	`before nid`
`01:20.18`	`brlcad`	`I though it was on tim's before nid's came on-line`
`01:20.25`	`brlcad`	`nobody could do anything with it`
`01:20.26`	`JeffM2501`	`list server was`
`01:20.31`	`JeffM2501`	`but not mybo`
`01:20.33`	`JeffM2501`	`or forums`
`01:20.52`	`JeffM2501`	`forums were at my house :)`
`01:20.53`	`brlcad`	`ahh, well yes.. that's the "former incarnation" I was speaking of :)`
`01:21.01`	`brlcad`	`list server at times`
`01:21.06`	`DTRemenak`	`before m.b.o, s.b.o was on Noodleman's servers, forums were at Jeff's, list server was at Tim's`
`01:21.21`	`DTRemenak`	`now they are all in one happy place together`
`01:21.35`	`brlcad`	`like one big steaming pile`
`01:21.49`	`DTRemenak`	`k that's a little further than I was gonna take it :)`
`01:21.50`	`brlcad`	`of cupcakes!`
`01:22.03`	`DTRemenak`	`yay cupcakes`
`01:22.21`	`JeffM2501`	`man... now all I have to do is convert all these images....`
`01:22.36`	`brad2901`	`~bzflist`
`01:22.37`	`*** join/#bzflag Thumper_ (~bernt@CPE000102d0fe75-CM0012256ecbde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`01:22.49`	`JeffM2501`	`we do`
`01:22.56`	`Thumper_`	`I see we are already talking about the broken list server :)`
`01:23.01`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`01:23.21`	`Thumper_`	`he DTR - did you notice if you got admin privs when you connected to the olympic server earlier?`
`01:23.22`	`wegstar`	`huh?`
`01:23.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I restarted apache`
`01:23.24`	`Thumper_`	`hey*`
`01:23.30`	`JeffM2501`	`it looks to just bee flooded or something`
`01:23.32`	`DTRemenak`	`Thumper_, nope, did not notice`
`01:23.39`	`brlcad`	`bzflag.bz is ready to serve up secondary or multi-primary any day`
`01:23.43`	`Thumper_`	`DTRemenak: are you on the developers list?`
`01:23.46`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`01:23.47`	`brad2901`	`~bzflist`
`01:23.54`	`Thumper_`	`ok then you should have privs...`
`01:24.03`	`*** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`01:24.08`	`DTRemenak`	`cool`
`01:24.16`	`brlcad`	`and in they flow like butter`
`01:24.16`	`Gnurdux`	`i must havemessed up cause i get error unpacking world database`
`01:24.39`	`brlcad`	`did you try again?`
`01:24.53`	`Thumper_`	`and the board is down too I see`
`01:24.53`	`Gnurdux`	`yep`
`01:24.59`	`*** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`01:25.04`	`menotume`	`please don't say 'unpacking'`
`01:25.12`	`SportChick`	`unpacking`
`01:25.16`	`menotume`	`grrr`
`01:25.21`	`Thumper_`	`someone should update the topic ;)`
`01:25.32`	`SportChick`	`!dict unpacking`
`01:25.34`	`TheLastSpartan`	`SportChick: No definition for 'unpacking' could be found.`
`01:25.43`	`SportChick`	`!dict unpack`
`01:25.45`	`TheLastSpartan`	`SportChick: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: unpack v : remove from its packing; "unpack the presents" [syn: {take out}] [ant: {pack}]; gcide: Unpack \Un*pack"\, v. t. [1st pref. un- + pack.] [1913 Webster] 1. To separate and remove, as things packed; to open and remove the contents of; as, to unpack a trunk. [1913 Webster] 2. To relieve of a pack or burden. [R.] --Shak. [1913 (2 more messages)`
`01:25.54`	`SportChick`	`!more`
`01:25.55`	`Thumper_`	`hi SC`
`01:25.55`	`TheLastSpartan`	`SportChick: Webster]; moby-thes: 44 Moby Thesaurus words for "unpack": bare, break bulk, break the seal, bring to light, develop, disburden, discharge, disclose, discover, dismask, draw the veil, dump, expose, impart, lay bare, lay open, let daylight in, let out, manifest, off-load, open, open up, raise the curtain, reveal, show, show up, strip bare, unburden, uncloak, uncover, undrape, (1 more message)`
`01:25.58`	`SportChick`	`hi thumper`
`01:26.00`	`SportChick`	`!more`
`01:26.01`	`TheLastSpartan`	`SportChick: unfold, unfurl, unkennel, unlade, unload, unmask, unroll, unscreen, unsheathe, unship, unshroud, unveil, unwrap`
`01:26.06`	`SportChick`	`there ya go, menotume :)`
`01:26.18`	`Aribeth`	`hi SportChick`
`01:26.18`	`CBG`	`heh`
`01:26.21`	`menotume`	`hmm, unkennel`
`01:26.22`	`SportChick`	`hi ari`
`01:26.25`	`CBG`	`spam. :/`
`01:26.32`	`DTRemenak`	`yum, spam`
`01:26.41`	`DTRemenak`	`spam spam spam spam eggs and spam!`
`01:26.44`	`menotume`	`yay, all done, thx dtr`
`01:26.51`	`menotume`	`lovely spam`
`01:27.04`	`menotume`	`eeeep`
`01:27.10`	`menotume`	`i've been compressed`
`01:27.42`	`Aribeth`	`oh oh, cant get to the list server`
`01:27.47`	`menotume`	`eeep`
`01:28.28`	`*** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`01:28.29`	`*** join/#bzflag uso (~uso@84-72-12-178.dclient.hispeed.ch)`
`01:28.42`	`uso`	`hi`
`01:28.48`	`CBG`	`hi`
`01:28.55`	`uso`	`is the listserver down?`
`01:29.00`	`CBG`	`yes.`
`01:29.02`	`Gnurdux`	`it looks like it`
`01:29.02`	`menotume`	`no, just slow`
`01:29.06`	`CBG`	`or just very slow.`
`01:29.16`	`menotume`	`1-2 minutes for a request`
`01:29.25`	`uso`	`then it must be very slooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww`
`01:29.34`	`menotume`	`yep :)`
`01:30.19`	`Gnurdux`	`http://pastebin.com/329646`
`01:30.20`	`uso`	`how is the url for the serverlist? better get it manually then`
`01:30.30`	`Gnurdux`	`thats the modified pack/unpacke functions`
`01:30.33`	`Gnurdux`	`when i put them back`
`01:30.42`	`Gnurdux`	`it can unpack the world`
`01:30.45`	`Gnurdux`	`it cannot like that`
`01:32.29`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501,`
`01:32.33`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`01:32.45`	`Gnurdux`	`so what did i do wrong`
`01:33.00`	`Gnurdux`	`i actually did try putiing it back to normal and it worked again`
`01:33.10`	`Gnurdux`	`and i am using the customclient`
`01:33.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't understand what you said?`
`01:33.36`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`01:33.39`	`Gnurdux`	`http://pastebin.com/329646`
`01:33.41`	`Gnurdux`	`read that`
`01:33.51`	`Gnurdux`	`with the changes to the 2 functions there`
`01:33.56`	`Gnurdux`	`with both custom client and server`
`01:34.05`	`Gnurdux`	`it sayscannot unpack world database`
`01:34.33`	`JeffM2501`	`you have to change where it does the sizes too`
`01:34.42`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a section that checks the data sizes of all messages`
`01:34.50`	`JeffM2501`	`look where unpack is called`
`01:35.25`	`Gnurdux`	`its called in PhysicsDriverManager`
`01:35.27`	`JeffM2501`	`the best thing for you would be to FIRST understand the flow of what you are trying to do`
`01:35.28`	`Gnurdux`	`::unpack`
`01:35.30`	`JeffM2501`	`and walk it`
`01:36.09`	`uso`	`http://my.bzflag.org/db/index.html?action=LIST&version=BZFS0026`
`01:36.11`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have a visual debuger?`
`01:36.11`	`SportChick`	`Aribeth: ping & poke`
`01:36.15`	`uso`	`is this the right url?`
`01:37.04`	`Gnurdux`	`aha`
`01:37.08`	`Gnurdux`	`i think i found it`
`01:37.30`	`Gnurdux`	`no i didnt ;(`
`01:37.48`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have a visual debuger?`
`01:38.01`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`01:38.13`	`Gnurdux`	`could i use gdb or something?`
`01:38.39`	`JeffM2501`	`what ever you are most comfortable with`
`01:38.43`	`Gnurdux`	`what do you meanasection the checks the datasizesof messages?`
`01:38.51`	`JeffM2501`	`put a breakpoint in the cleint and see what is happening`
`01:38.53`	`JeffM2501`	`don't just guess`
`01:38.55`	`Gnurdux`	`my space is sticking`
`01:39.04`	`Gnurdux`	`so this is just the client`
`01:39.07`	`Gnurdux`	`not the server`
`01:39.08`	`JeffM2501`	`well then don't get your keyboard all sticky`
`01:39.21`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, that is where the error is coming from isn't it?`
`01:39.22`	`Gnurdux`	`void * PhysicsDriverManager::unpack(void *buf)`
`01:39.23`	`Gnurdux`	`{`
`01:39.23`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.23`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.23`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.23`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.25`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.27`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.29`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.31`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.33`	`JeffM2501`	`don't spam code`
`01:39.33`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.35`	`Gnurdux`	`}`
`01:39.37`	`Gnurdux`	`probably`
`01:39.39`	`Gnurdux`	`sry`
`01:39.50`	`JeffM2501`	`we are not here to solve your problems`
`01:39.51`	`Gnurdux`	`that is what calls PhysicsDriver::unpack`
`01:39.52`	`JeffM2501`	`debug it`
`01:40.02`	`JeffM2501`	`step thru`
`01:40.02`	`Gnurdux`	`ok...`
`01:40.04`	`JeffM2501`	`use the tools`
`01:40.20`	`Gnurdux`	`tho how can i do that with bz full screen?`
`01:40.28`	`JeffM2501`	`make it be not full screen`
`01:40.31`	`JeffM2501`	`run in a window`
`01:40.34`	`Gnurdux`	`with -window?`
`01:40.35`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`01:40.41`	`JeffM2501`	`and -geometry`
`01:41.19`	`uso`	`menotume: i do not get any answer from my.bzflag.org, even after minutes :(`
`01:41.32`	`uso`	`does anyone have a recent server list?`
`01:41.47`	`JeffM2501`	`you do`
`01:41.48`	`Gnurdux`	`how would i tell gdb to pass args to bzflag`
`01:41.49`	`JeffM2501`	`in your cache`
`01:42.00`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, read the man page`
`01:42.01`	`uso`	`that is removed`
`01:42.02`	`Gnurdux`	`i tried gdb "src/bzflag/bzflag -window"`
`01:42.07`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`01:42.16`	`JeffM2501`	`how the heck did you ever even LEARN c++?`
`01:42.25`	`Gnurdux`	`from a bad book`
`01:42.30`	`Gnurdux`	`called C++ for dummies`
`01:42.35`	`JeffM2501`	`and now you can't read anything anymore?`
`01:42.39`	`uso`	`my wrapper script removes the cache before starting up to avoid crash`
`01:42.43`	`Gnurdux`	`well....`
`01:43.03`	`Thumper_`	`bzflag list server down... bzflag board down... time to drink!`
`01:43.22`	`uso`	`other question: does bzflag reset the keyboard on startup?`
`01:43.34`	`Thumper_`	`DTRemenak: bad movie.`
`01:43.50`	`DTRemenak`	`Thumper_, aw come on...`
`01:43.52`	`Thumper_`	`pick (almost) any other ST movie and it's better than V`
`01:44.01`	`uso`	`which one is V?`
`01:44.03`	`Thumper_`	`Shatner can't direct`
`01:44.03`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, what about 1? :)`
`01:44.20`	`Thumper_`	`the one with Spock's brother...`
`01:44.52`	`DTRemenak`	`Thumper_, I've already watched 2, 3, 4 and 6 this week ;)`
`01:44.52`	`uso`	`oh, that's really not the best ...`
`01:45.03`	`Thumper_`	`so about about 7 or 8`
`01:45.10`	`DTRemenak`	`don't have generations`
`01:45.14`	`Thumper_`	`go shopping ;)`
`01:45.16`	`DTRemenak`	`should probably watch insurrection`
`01:45.16`	`Aribeth`	`SportChick, pong`
`01:45.27`	`SportChick`	`Aribeth: you're slow!`
`01:45.32`	`Thumper_`	`you don't even have to get up... just hit amazon.com`
`01:45.34`	`Aribeth`	`i was playing`
`01:45.45`	`Gnurdux`	`are there any docs abotu bzflag protocol?`
`01:45.46`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, or could watch first contact`
`01:45.57`	`Aribeth`	`whats up Sporty`
`01:45.58`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, the code`
`01:45.58`	`Thumper_`	`that one is WAY better than ST V`
`01:46.05`	`Thumper_`	`switch em`
`01:46.06`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, no kidding`
`01:46.08`	`Gnurdux`	`lol ok`
`01:46.19`	`DTRemenak`	`nemisis was a waste of $15 though`
`01:46.27`	`JeffM2501`	`why would you be reluctant to use a debuging tool`
`01:46.28`	`uso`	`wow, got the serverlist :)`
`01:46.29`	`DTRemenak`	`'cept for the hot romulan`
`01:46.32`	`Thumper_`	`but it was _still_ better than V`
`01:46.33`	`Thumper_`	`:)`
`01:46.33`	`JeffM2501`	`that is what it is THERE for?`
`01:46.38`	`uso`	`1-2 mins ... rough guess :))`
`01:46.54`	`Gnurdux`	`what fkey runsbz in a window?`
`01:47.13`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, read the ingame key config`
`01:47.26`	`Thumper_`	`switch seems to be broken`
`01:48.08`	`Gnurdux`	`ingame key config?`
`01:48.15`	`Thumper_`	`I'll try bz again later...`
`01:48.16`	`Gnurdux`	`ah`
`01:48.17`	`Gnurdux`	`f1`
`01:50.18`	`SportChick`	`Aribeth: I had asked if you were up for a "guess which movie" challenge, but have fun playing. I have to make dinner soon anyway`
`01:54.44`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`01:54.51`	`Gnurdux`	`my code in unpack gets run twice`
`01:55.53`	`uso`	`is there any config option to set keyboard repeat rate in bzflag?`
`01:56.52`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501...? :o`
`01:57.00`	`Gnurdux`	`my code getting run twice MUST cause the prob`
`01:57.15`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, i set a breakpoint at unpack`
`01:57.24`	`Gnurdux`	`and i got that thse two lines buf = nboUnpackUByte(buf, telbyte);`
`01:57.24`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:57.28`	`Gnurdux`	`are run twice`
`01:57.35`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, is it run on the same data 2x?`
`01:57.41`	`JeffM2501`	`or do you just have more then one pydriv?`
`01:57.44`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, ?`
`01:57.59`	`Gnurdux`	`it is run twice in a row`
`01:58.05`	`Gnurdux`	`without hte other stuff`
`01:58.07`	`CBG`	`That screenshot... I have no idea what it is, but I want to know... lol`
`01:58.11`	`Gnurdux`	`so it must be on the same data`
`01:58.12`	`brad2901`	`~bzflist`
`01:58.17`	`brad2901`	`yay`
`01:58.33`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, did you look at the data going in? or are you just making baseless asumptions`
`01:58.41`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, a bzflag map`
`01:58.44`	`Gnurdux`	`anyway the breakpoint is in PhysicsDriver::unPack`
`01:58.52`	`Gnurdux`	`here is what is saw in the gdb:`
`01:58.57`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: I kinda figured that much. :)`
`01:59.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, then your breakpoint is in the wrong place`
`01:59.10`	`JeffM2501`	`step out and see what happens`
`01:59.25`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, then why ask ;)`
`01:59.38`	`JeffM2501`	`stupid tool still has problems`
`01:59.42`	`CBG`	`What is it a map of? anything in particular?`
`01:59.53`	`Gnurdux`	`http://pastebin.com/329656`
`01:59.55`	`JeffM2501`	`DM_WhiteMeat`
`01:59.57`	`Gnurdux`	`read the paste`
`02:00.09`	`Gnurdux`	`im probably doing somehting really stupid`
`02:00.22`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, that tells me nothing`
`02:00.28`	`Gnurdux`	`the paste?`
`02:00.31`	`JeffM2501`	`break before`
`02:00.33`	`JeffM2501`	`see what it does`
`02:00.34`	`Gnurdux`	`tellse you nothing`
`02:00.47`	`Gnurdux`	`break in PhysicsDriverManager::unpack?`
`02:00.50`	`JeffM2501`	`it tells me that your code ran in order`
`02:00.53`	`JeffM2501`	`as it should`
`02:00.56`	`JeffM2501`	`whopty do?`
`02:00.57`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`02:01.03`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, step out`
`02:01.03`	`Gnurdux`	`but 2 lines ran twice`
`02:01.05`	`JeffM2501`	`see who is calling you`
`02:01.10`	`JeffM2501`	`see what is happening`
`02:01.12`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`02:01.17`	`JeffM2501`	`follow the flow`
`02:01.50`	`CBG`	`or, go with it. ;)`
`02:02.55`	`CBG`	`Hmm, 3AM, bedtime?`
`02:02.55`	`Gnurdux`	`how do you stepout?`
`02:03.03`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm now I have to find a way to convert a bspline suface to a mesh`
`02:03.12`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, you read about your damned debuger`
`02:03.16`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`02:03.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't know your tool`
`02:03.24`	`JeffM2501`	`on my comptuer I hit shift F11`
`02:03.30`	`Gnurdux`	`it has step into`
`02:03.32`	`Gnurdux`	`what os?`
`02:03.37`	`JeffM2501`	`windows`
`02:03.39`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`02:03.43`	`Gnurdux`	`im on linux`
`02:03.45`	`JeffM2501`	`I know`
`02:03.55`	`Gnurdux`	`it has step into`
`02:03.58`	`Gnurdux`	`and step over`
`02:04.07`	`Gnurdux`	`listed in man page`
`02:04.09`	`JeffM2501`	`but for once in your life could you actualy TRY to figure something out for yourself rather then just ask here`
`02:04.11`	`Gnurdux`	`but no step out`
`02:04.16`	`JeffM2501`	`then your debuger sucks`
`02:04.20`	`JeffM2501`	`or your manpage sucks`
`02:04.23`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`02:04.26`	`Gnurdux`	`manpage :)`
`02:04.32`	`Gnurdux`	`gdb is very powerful`
`02:04.39`	`JeffM2501`	`we are not "how to debug your code 101"`
`02:04.51`	`JeffM2501`	`then go ask in #gdb`
`02:04.57`	`Gnurdux`	`good idea`
`02:05.03`	`JeffM2501`	`ya think`
`02:05.15`	`Gnurdux`	`except that noone is there`
`02:05.19`	`Gnurdux`	`maybe in #gcc`
`02:05.22`	`JeffM2501`	`fine`
`02:05.29`	`JeffM2501`	`we don't need to know what you are doing second by second`
`02:06.54`	`JeffM2501`	`bzw needs a surface prim`
`02:08.04`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, how hard is it to make tanks spawn in specific places?`
`02:08.23`	`CBG`	`You'r asking me?`
`02:08.27`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`02:08.31`	`CBG`	`Not especially.. Use zones... ?`
`02:08.33`	`JeffM2501`	`from a map standpoing`
`02:08.38`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`02:08.41`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm askin :)`
`02:08.45`	`CBG`	`Wow.`
`02:08.47`	`JeffM2501`	`like if my map convers ALL of the dirt`
`02:08.48`	`CBG`	`What a first.`
`02:08.58`	`CBG`	`Do I get to be a pain in the butt like you?`
`02:09.14`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`02:09.15`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
`02:09.20`	`CBG`	`You mean, individual tanks?`
`02:09.24`	`CBG`	`Teams? what?`
`02:09.28`	`JeffM2501`	`anything`
`02:09.31`	`CBG`	`zones can only do teams.`
`02:09.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I know people have done maps where the ground is full of stuff`
`02:09.50`	`CBG`	`You make a zone as if its a box, then say what team(s) can spawn there.`
`02:09.54`	`JeffM2501`	`and you know more about what people have done with maps then I do`
`02:10.27`	`CBG`	`Oh crap. that can;t be good.`
`02:10.37`	`CBG`	`so, whats your point?`
`02:10.45`	`CBG`	`you want to know how to do it?`
`02:10.56`	`JeffM2501`	`is it a big problem if it covers the entire map?`
`02:11.03`	`CBG`	`A single zone?`
`02:11.21`	`CBG`	`or an object?`
`02:11.37`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly the map is all meshes`
`02:11.38`	`CBG`	`if its an object you would have to use -sb (and -fb for flags)...`
`02:11.44`	`JeffM2501`	`and there isn't anywhere on the grass to spawn`
`02:11.57`	`trepan`	`no`
`02:12.13`	`CBG`	`Then make a big zone... i odnt see a problem with that.`
`02:12.56`	`trepan`	`ex: Camelot, Metrolpolis, Caverns, etc...`
`02:12.56`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`02:13.00`	`Gnurdux`	`i stepped through`
`02:13.03`	`Gnurdux`	`until i got here:`
`02:13.10`	`Gnurdux`	`HUDDialogStack::get()->setFailedMessage("Error unpacking world database.");`
`02:13.14`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, so it should be fine`
`02:13.27`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, then step and find out WHY it made that error`
`02:13.31`	`JeffM2501`	`what cause it to go there`
`02:13.41`	`Gnurdux`	`aha`
`02:13.53`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, can I do 2 pass texturing with the lower modulating the upper?`
`02:14.07`	`Gnurdux`	`142 if (nboGetBufferError()) {(gdb)143 delete[] uncompressedWorld;(gdb)144 DEBUG1 ("WorldBuilder::unpack() overrun\n");`
`02:14.16`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: zone/size 400 400 10/pos 0 0 50/team 0 1 2 3 4/safety 0 1 2 3 4/flag good bad/end`
`02:14.48`	`CBG`	`With Camelot Metropolis cna Caverns, there is space to spawn on the gras...... ?`
`02:15.02`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: depends on the card`
`02:15.25`	`JeffM2501`	`if it supports it?`
`02:15.38`	`JeffM2501`	`any GF should right?`
`02:15.54`	`Gnurdux`	`and im certain its caused by that one code running twice`
`02:15.58`	`Gnurdux`	`and i g2g in ten minutes`
`02:16.06`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, I'm not`
`02:16.12`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`02:16.21`	`Gnurdux`	`why would that code run twice?`
`02:16.26`	`Gnurdux`	`its only once in my code`
`02:16.40`	`JeffM2501`	`because you have more then one phydriv in your map`
`02:16.48`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`02:16.52`	`CBG`	`Gnurdux: your using my map?`
`02:16.55`	`Gnurdux`	`it is still in that one run of the func`
`02:16.56`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`02:17.07`	`uso`	`does bzflag 2.0.2 require SDL on linux or can i compile it without SDL?`
`02:17.09`	`CBG`	`That only had the oblivion phydrv unless you changed it`
`02:17.14`	`Gnurdux`	`and i only have 1 phydrv`
`02:17.16`	`JeffM2501`	`uso, you CAN techincaly`
`02:17.16`	`Gnurdux`	`i didnt`
`02:17.20`	`Gnurdux`	`i added a line to it`
`02:17.22`	`uso`	`lol`
`02:17.26`	`Gnurdux`	`randTeleport`
`02:17.31`	`JeffM2501`	`sdl solves a lot of problems`
`02:17.33`	`Gnurdux`	`which is what im trying to support`
`02:17.42`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, i had only 1 phydrv`
`02:17.44`	`CBG`	`Ok. :)`
`02:17.48`	`JeffM2501`	`if you say so`
`02:17.51`	`uso`	`i mean easy like ./configure --disable=sdl or something like this`
`02:17.53`	`JeffM2501`	`does it pack it 2x?`
`02:17.57`	`Gnurdux`	`and also its within one run of the func`
`02:17.58`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`02:18.00`	`JeffM2501`	`uso, something liek that`
`02:18.02`	`Gnurdux`	`actually`
`02:18.08`	`Gnurdux`	`i should debug the server`
`02:18.13`	`JeffM2501`	`then you SURE that you don't have 2`
`02:18.47`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`02:19.02`	`Gnurdux`	`but i dunno how much it is packed in the server`
`02:19.04`	`JeffM2501`	`absoposoloutly?`
`02:19.11`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`02:19.18`	`JeffM2501`	`then why did you tell me that it packed 2x?`
`02:19.26`	`Gnurdux`	`it unpacks it 2x`
`02:19.31`	`JeffM2501`	`check the pack`
`02:19.33`	`Gnurdux`	`i think it is packed 1x`
`02:19.39`	`Gnurdux`	`and unpacked 2x`
`02:19.41`	`JeffM2501`	`don't think, know`
`02:19.46`	`JeffM2501`	`don't guess`
`02:19.48`	`Gnurdux`	`and wouldnt that cause an error`
`02:19.57`	`Gnurdux`	`here is the thing`
`02:19.59`	`JeffM2501`	`there are many reasons to cause the error`
`02:20.05`	`Gnurdux`	`whenever the function call changes`
`02:20.14`	`Gnurdux`	`gdb tells me`
`02:20.25`	`JeffM2501`	`calls' don't change`
`02:20.29`	`Gnurdux`	`and there is a lot of other code in the function`
`02:20.35`	`JeffM2501`	`so what?`
`02:20.36`	`trepan`	`Gnurdux: what are you trying to do?`
`02:20.39`	`Gnurdux`	`so if it was doing it all twice it would stop`
`02:20.42`	`Gnurdux`	`at the end`
`02:20.47`	`Gnurdux`	`and start at the middle`
`02:20.47`	`trepan`	`pack 'extra' phydrvs ?`
`02:20.49`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, he added a param to the pydriv`
`02:20.51`	`Gnurdux`	`i mean beginning`
`02:21.02`	`JeffM2501`	`but didn't set the code where it checks how big each message is`
`02:21.06`	`trepan`	`Gnurdux: you change the phydrv packSize() call ?`
`02:21.11`	`Gnurdux`	`ah`
`02:21.20`	`Gnurdux`	`lemme change that`
`02:21.34`	`JeffM2501`	`see :)`
`02:21.56`	`JeffM2501`	`ok trepan, got a sec for something actualy interesting?`
`02:22.06`	`CBG`	`lol Jeff.`
`02:22.13`	`CBG`	`As if YOU have anything interesting....`
`02:22.14`	`JeffM2501`	`got a surface def, want to put it into a map :)`
`02:22.38`	`trepan`	`glu utils or GL evals ?`
`02:22.55`	`JeffM2501`	`quake3`
`02:23.02`	`JeffM2501`	`I want to turn it into a mesh`
`02:23.08`	`trepan`	`those are two ways to meshify`
`02:23.27`	`JeffM2501`	`so run it thru GL and eval it?`
`02:23.46`	`Gnurdux`	`yay it owrks!`
`02:23.50`	`Gnurdux`	`cya tomorrow`
`02:23.52`	`CBG`	`Yay Gnurdux! :)`
`02:23.57`	`CBG`	`ugh.`
`02:24.07`	`trepan`	`http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/opengl/glufnc01_0e43.asp`
`02:24.13`	`trepan`	`nurbs functions listed there`
`02:24.20`	`trepan`	`depends on where/what you're doing`
`02:24.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm writing out a bzw`
`02:25.02`	`JeffM2501`	`with no new object types`
`02:25.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I guess I could just quad up the grid`
`02:28.25`	`Grumbler`	`why, you are only going to be back up in a couple of hours`
`02:29.05`	`CBG`	`It doesn't seem worth it... :)`
`02:29.15`	`Grumbler`	`why do i feel microsoft doesntt like me right now........`
`02:29.18`	`CBG`	`And I would gladly stay up all night listening to Stevie Wonder.`
`02:29.52`	`CBG`	`icrosoft supports industry standards the same way a rope supports a hanged man.`
`02:29.59`	`CBG`	`*Microsoft :x`
`02:30.19`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`02:30.22`	`Grumbler`	`all i want to do is download powerpoint viewer.....and their website is crap slow`
`02:30.50`	`menotume`	`that's b/c they're usiing ms servers`
`02:30.52`	`blast007`	`CBG: "The good thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from" ;)`
`02:31.14`	`CBG`	`Blast007: mine is better, or would be - if it was mine. :P`
`02:31.20`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`02:31.58`	`CBG`	`http://www.df.lth.se/~lft/tags/cookies.text`
`02:32.28`	`CBG`	`This is similar to an actual error I witnessed on windows once: Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue.`
`02:32.36`	`blast007`	`Grumbler: I guess it _is_ slow...I'm only getting 13KB/sec from their site`
`02:32.56`	`blast007`	`...and falling`
`02:33.58`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: Cause I helped you so much, can I spa--- ah, can I post some funny "taglines" about windows?`
`02:34.37`	`JeffM2501`	`what do I get for all the times I helped you?`
`02:34.45`	`CBG`	`My love. :)`
`02:34.56`	`JeffM2501`	`ewww`
`02:35.00`	`CBG`	`ANd I actually asked for permission: do many do that? ;)`
`02:35.07`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`02:35.12`	`CBG`	`Plus, they are funny...`
`02:35.13`	`JeffM2501`	`the ones that want to feel "special"`
`02:35.37`	`JeffM2501`	`special like the olypics ;)`
`02:35.53`	`CBG`	`I'm not THAT overweight....`
`02:35.58`	`CBG`	`Windows 95: 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to`
`02:35.58`	`CBG`	`an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor,`
`02:35.58`	`CBG`	`written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.`
`02:36.40`	`JeffM2501`	`are you implying that all speccial needs childrent are obese?`
`02:36.41`	`CBG`	`Without C people would code in Basi, Pasal and Obol.`
`02:36.48`	`menotume`	`4 bit microprocessor ??`
`02:36.52`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: No... :/`
`02:37.07`	`JeffM2501`	`4 bit?`
`02:37.13`	`JeffM2501`	`it was made for a 32 bit`
`02:37.24`	`JeffM2501`	`won't even run on a 386`
`02:37.26`	`Grumbler`	`menotume, dont fake it, you know you were around for those days old man.... :)`
`02:37.35`	`CBG`	`It's a JOKE... it doesnt have to be 100% accurate,...`
`02:37.38`	`CBG`	`Windows: Just another pane in the glass.`
`02:37.51`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-143-037.arcor-ip.net)`
`02:37.52`	`CBG`	`Windows doesn't just crash - it opens a dialog box and lets you press OK first.`
`02:38.09`	`CBG`	`If Speed Kills, Then Windows(tm) Users May Live Forever!`
`02:38.37`	`blast007`	`the 4 bit thing wasn't talking about Windows`
`02:38.38`	`CBG`	`In a world with no walls or fences, who needs Windows and Gates?`
`02:38.41`	`blast007`	`it was talking about DOS`
`02:38.48`	`JeffM2501`	`still`
`02:39.00`	`JeffM2501`	`8088 was 8 bit`
`02:39.03`	`blast007`	`ah`
`02:39.41`	`CBG`	`"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad`
`02:39.41`	`CBG`	`"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer" - Adolf Hitler`
`02:39.48`	`uso`	`JeffM2501: are you sure? i believe it did not run on a 286, but it was running on a 386`
`02:40.01`	`JeffM2501`	`95?`
`02:40.04`	`JeffM2501`	`I am sure`
`02:40.07`	`JeffM2501`	`DOS sure`
`02:40.18`	`DTRemenak`	`95 runs on 386s`
`02:40.24`	`JeffM2501`	`how?`
`02:40.26`	`DTRemenak`	`98 will not`
`02:40.35`	`DTRemenak`	`386 are pure 32-bit`
`02:40.36`	`JeffM2501`	`well still 368 is a 16 bit`
`02:40.36`	`Grumbler`	`nike air`
`02:40.40`	`CBG`	`sigh`
`02:40.42`	`JeffM2501`	`you sure?`
`02:40.44`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`02:40.51`	`uso`	`386 is 32 bix`
`02:40.54`	`uso`	`bit`
`02:40.57`	`JeffM2501`	`286 is 16?`
`02:41.04`	`uso`	`yup`
`02:41.05`	`CBG`	`plus its kinda scary that you know this.....`
`02:41.10`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, most people are just ignoring you`
`02:41.14`	`blast007`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386`
`02:41.17`	`CBG`	`I gathered....`
`02:41.21`	`JeffM2501`	`I've NEVER herd of a consumer 4 bit CPU`
`02:41.33`	`CBG`	`I just did ^`
`02:41.39`	`Grumbler`	`world would be better off we just ran on 8051s`
`02:41.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I was off by one then`
`02:41.42`	`uso`	`do not say this, i've just removed him from my ignore list ;)`
`02:42.07`	`CBG`	`uso: too late... I already posted the funny stuff... :P`
`02:42.22`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm probably thinking it was 16 becuse it was able to run 16 bit dos as well`
`02:42.26`	`uso`	`it was before yousted it :)`
`02:42.35`	`uso`	`posted`
`02:43.00`	`CBG`	`it ? I posted several...`
`02:44.47`	`uso`	`dos was running in a 16 bit virtual machine on a 386 as far as i remember`
`02:45.39`	`uso`	`and the 386sx had a cribbled 16 bit memory interface, maybe you remember the 16 bit from that`
`02:46.15`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, you should be learning this intel chip history, you'll need it soon ;)`
`02:46.35`	`CBG`	`heh. :)`
`02:46.36`	`blast007`	`hehe, the Intel 4004 was 4-bit, and had a max clock speed of 740kHz ;)`
`02:46.47`	`Grumbler`	`those bastards, they block mozilla downloads`
`02:46.53`	`CBG`	`Lol!`
`02:46.58`	`blast007`	`block?`
`02:47.53`	`Grumbler`	`they start the download, but it never finishes......in IE it starts and finishes in a second or two....`
`02:48.16`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`02:48.21`	`menotume`	`incompatible`
`02:48.44`	`uso`	`they don't like strabgers :)`
`02:48.58`	`uso`	`strangers`
`02:48.59`	`Grumbler`	`....have to thank cbg for that, thte hitler line rerminded me i dont use IE`
`02:49.05`	`blast007`	`ah, yeah, I think it sends the wrong file sizes in the headers`
`02:49.08`	`CBG`	`Grumbler :)`
`02:49.20`	`blast007`	`so other browsers keep downloading past the end of the file`
`02:49.43`	`uso`	`the utf char?`
`02:50.41`	`CBG`	`Are there foreign versions of bzflag?`
`02:51.01`	`CBG`	`Or can you only change the "local" in the GUI settings?`
`02:51.10`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, your soaking in one`
`02:51.14`	`wegstar`	`:0`
`02:51.22`	`menotume`	`How many Micro$haft execs does it take to screw in a lightbulb?`
`02:51.25`	`JeffM2501`	`we ship language files with every version`
`02:51.39`	`JeffM2501`	`look in your data dir`
`02:51.48`	`wegstar`	`5`
`02:51.51`	`menotume`	`none, they just change the 'industry standard' to darkness.`
`02:51.53`	`CBG`	`But, there is no such things as a German Bzflag Version?`
`02:51.57`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`02:52.00`	`JeffM2501`	`not made by uys`
`02:52.04`	`CBG`	`Thought so. ;)`
`02:57.52`	`CBG`	`ROFLMFAO menotume!!!`
`02:58.06`	`CBG`	`but I must be quite for everyone else sleeps! :D hah`
`02:58.24`	`CBG`	`*quiet too.`
`03:00.56`	`CBG`	`Ok. 4AM, sleeeeeep. :)`
`03:01.21`	`CBG`	`g'morning all....`
`03:01.45`	`CBG`	`bye...`
`03:02.52`	`bryjen`	`even the 808x was 16-bits. the difference between the x=8 and x=6 was the external bus width, one was 8, the other 16`
`03:03.12`	`*** part/#bzflag CBG (~CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust173.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`03:03.19`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust173.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`03:03.23`	`*** part/#bzflag CBG (~CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust173.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`03:03.51`	`bryjen`	`and the 386SX-es were feature-disabled economy models (kinda like the Celeron is). they disabled the on-chip math coprocessor`
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`03:07.00`	`hw-`	`anybody use SuSE`
`03:07.29`	`uso`	`the 386 did not had a math coprocessor, not even the dx`
`03:07.48`	`uso`	`that was the 486sx were the co proc was disabled imho`
`03:07.55`	`bryjen`	`yeah. reading the wikipedia article now.... I was thinking of the 4's apparently`
`03:09.06`	`hw-`	`the bzflag 2.0 rpm won't install on SuSE linux bc it doesn't have libcrypto and libssl ?`
`03:09.15`	`uso`	`my first pc had a 386dx, therefore i know it a bit ... as much as my old brain still remembers ;)`
`03:09.31`	`bryjen`	`hw-: bzflag uses libcurl, which may need those`
`03:10.16`	`bryjen`	`my first pc was an 808x. my second was a 386`
`03:10.36`	`hw-`	`i've tried installing openssl but it is not the right one :/`
`03:10.51`	`uso`	`you seem to be even older :)`
`03:11.18`	`bryjen`	`~seen MeBigFatGuy`
`03:11.20`	`ibot`	`mebigfatguy <dave@balt-209-150-117-10.dynamic-dial.qis.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 61d 22h 5m 31s ago, saying: 'heh'.`
`03:11.31`	`bryjen`	`~seen MrApathyCream`
`03:11.31`	`ibot`	`mrapathycream <dave@balt-209-150-116-193.dynamic-dial.qis.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 194d 21h 26m 58s ago, saying: 'poor guy running bz on dual zeons can't get it to work :)'.`
`03:12.20`	`bryjen`	`i haven't seen him recently either :(`
`03:14.15`	`SportChick`	`hw-: hiya`
`03:14.29`	`hw-`	`sc: loya`
`03:16.30`	`bryjen`	`i will be rolling into another decade this year tho...`
`03:17.01`	`bryjen`	`could switch to hexadecimal...`
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`03:26.02`	`bryjen`	`blast007: did changing the test in that while loop fix the unloaded plugin crash?`
`03:26.17`	`blast007`	`haven't tried yet`
`03:33.28`	`blast007`	`hmm...still crashed`
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`03:34.42`	`blast007`	`let me throw in some breakpoints, and see if it's removing them`
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`03:38.21`	`blast007`	`okay, it's hitting the "itr = eventTypeItr->second.erase(itr);"`
`03:39.48`	`blast007`	`and then in callEvents, it's still calling the event it just deleted`
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`03:42.32`	`blast007`	`hmm..or it's at least calling the event type, and maybe not the specific event I registered`
`03:42.38`	`blast007`	`it's dying on eList[i]->process(eventData);`
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`04:01.38`	`bryjen`	`hrm`
`04:03.09`	`bryjen`	`in removeEvent, eventTypeItr gets set to begin(), and then never changed?`
`04:12.17`	`blast007`	`ah, I'll check that in a bit`
`04:12.20`	`blast007`	`doing a rebuild`
`04:14.26`	`bryjen`	`unloading doesn't cause me any problems. trying to use shockwavedeath without any flags configured does :/`
`04:15.45`	`blast007`	`might be a specific problem with the tick event then`
`04:18.37`	`bryjen`	`the /unloadplugin always comes back "Plug-in unloaded", even though it has no idea if the process suceeded`
`04:19.21`	`blast007`	`think the same thing happens with /loadplugin`
`04:19.29`	`blast007`	`it always says it loaded it ;)`
`04:21.36`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, yeah I know`
`04:21.41`	`JeffM2501`	`I havn't fixed it yet`
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`04:26.18`	`blast007`	`still dying in WorldEventManager::callEvents`
`04:26.36`	`blast007`	`without a tick event`
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`04:29.20`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfsPlugins.cxx bzfsPlugins.h): have unloadPlugin return a status so we can properly inform the user`
`04:29.40`	`wegstar`	`yay`
`04:32.06`	`bryjen`	`loadPlugin looks to already do so`
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`04:39.41`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: don't indicate successful load on plugin not found on win32`
`04:47.22`	`bryjen`	`great. no my client keeps dieing :(`
`04:47.30`	`bryjen`	`s/no/now/`
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`04:56.16`	`SportChick`	`bzflagwiz: hiya`
`04:56.30`	`bzflagwiz`	`Hiya Sporty`
`04:57.30`	`wegstar`	`heya bzflagwiz :)`
`04:58.40`	`Aribeth`	`hi Sporty, bzflagwiz`
`05:01.44`	`bzflagwiz`	`hiya Ari`
`05:03.33`	`wegstar`	`is purple_cow`
`05:03.36`	`wegstar`	`'s`
`05:03.43`	`wegstar`	`python API workable yet?`
`05:04.32`	`Aribeth`	`heh`
`05:04.47`	`wegstar`	`:(`
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`05:07.18`	`purple_cow`	`wegstar: you could try it`
`05:07.24`	`wegstar`	`ok`
`05:07.33`	`purple_cow`	`there's a lot of stuff that works and a lot that doesn't`
`05:07.36`	`purple_cow`	`depends what you want to do`
`05:08.58`	`wegstar`	`~fishslap wegstar`
`05:08.58`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps wegstar up side the head with a wet fish.`
`05:09.01`	`wegstar`	`hmm`
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`05:20.30`	`Aribeth`	`~bzfquery`
`05:20.43`	`Aribeth`	`!bzfquery`
`05:20.43`	TheLastSpartan`	`Aribeth: (bzfquery <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for 'rss http://stats.bzflag.org/sbo_rss.php?feed=players&server=$1'`
`05:22.16`	`Aribeth`	`!bzflist`
`05:22.33`	`Aribeth`	`~bzflist`
`06:10.36`	`SportChick`	`~secretplace`
`06:10.46`	`Aribeth`	`hi SportChick`
`06:10.50`	`SportChick`	`hi aribeth`
`06:12.24`	`uso`	`is there any way to change key repeat rate when bzflag is compiled with sdl?`
`06:22.00`	`wegstar`	`bz_PlayerRecord* speaker;`
`06:22.10`	`wegstar`	`is it ok if I left that uninitialized?`
`06:23.07`	`wegstar`	`err...`
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`06:23.49`	`wegstar`	`:(`
`06:25.10`	`wegstar`	`nvm`
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`06:57.39`	`bz5240`	`hey`
`06:57.41`	`uso`	`bye`
`06:57.50`	`bz5240`	`i was wondering can any1 help me with a problem?`
`06:58.17`	`bz5240`	`i start BZflag connect to a server and then the screen shuts of`
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`07:53.53`	`silverfox`	`my CCO account got hosed...`
`07:54.14`	`Aribeth`	`CCO account?`
`07:54.30`	`silverfox`	`cisco something or other...`
`07:54.38`	`Aribeth`	`eek`
`07:54.53`	`Aribeth`	`for your server?`
`07:55.15`	`silverfox`	`no, for my cisco.com account. Allows me to look stuff up, download IOS images, etc...`
`07:55.24`	`Aribeth`	`ohh`
`07:56.49`	`silverfox`	`real drag. Everyone got an email saying that passwords had been comprimised and that we'd have to go through a password recover/reset procedure. And at the end they said something like "Cisco's policies and systems have not lead to this problem"`
`07:56.59`	`silverfox`	`thought it funny they had to go out of their way to point that out.`
`07:57.26`	`Aribeth`	`heh`
`07:57.33`	`Aribeth`	`that sucks`
`07:58.22`	`Aribeth`	`i loved it when my old work said to me we lost all your personal information. sorry about that`
`07:58.41`	`silverfox`	`basically what cisco has done. I'm quite impressed.`
`07:59.18`	`silverfox`	`I did their little password reset program, and got an email saying they couldn't find it, and to email someone else. I did. That guy says I don't exist either.`
`07:59.38`	`Aribeth`	`figures`
`07:59.50`	`silverfox`	`Both suggested that the account was registered under a different email than I was using, however the username I'm positive is right is also my email address. ;)`
`08:00.40`	`Aribeth`	`been there myself`
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`08:33.24`	`stahlsau`	`hi all`
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`13:09.23`	`CBG`	`BB Admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2634 (the reply...)`
`13:10.21`	`menotume`	`looks like a joke`
`13:11.02`	`CBG`	`Who cares: click the link. It's inappropriat.`
`13:11.47`	`CBG`	`*inappropriate`
`13:12.13`	`menotume`	`yes`
`13:12.28`	`menotume`	`show it to JeffM when he appears`
`13:12.42`	`CBG`	`You can't remove it?`
`13:12.51`	`Birdie`	`lol what a reply`
`13:12.54`	`amathis`	`BEST RX PILLS?`
`13:12.57`	`amathis`	`WHJAT?!`
`13:12.58`	`amathis`	`AWESOME`
`13:13.03`	`CBG`	`Don't click it, people.`
`13:13.04`	`amathis`	`I looovee pharms/.`
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`13:14.12`	`amathis`	`hmmm, they don't offer pharmacuetical grade narcotics`
`13:14.14`	`amathis`	`a pity.`
`13:14.32`	`CBG`	`[dmp] :D`
`13:14.41`	`CBG`	`meacan :(`
`13:17.24`	`menotume`	`meacan: i want to play guess a number`
`13:17.44`	`Birdie`	`meno's age?`
`13:17.55`	`menotume`	`150 ?`
`13:18.03`	`Birdie`	`:)`
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`13:21.27`	`meacan`	`"guess a number" .. pttft :)`
`13:32.57`	`jpa-`	`meno's iq?`
`13:33.20`	`jpa-`	`oh, sorry, that would be "guess a digit"`
`13:33.50`	`Birdie`	`meno is damn smart`
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`13:46.17`	`ToughShooter`	`smart enough to steal multiple hunt :(`
`13:46.32`	`Birdie`	`its not possible anymore?`
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`13:46.45`	`ToughShooter`	`menotume broke it`
`13:46.47`	`ibunny`	`Birdie Birdie`
`13:47.04`	`Birdie`	`ibunny!`
`13:47.11`	`Birdie`	`<3<3`
`13:48.27`	`Birdie`	`i normally only hunt the REAL good ones with good scores`
`13:49.16`	`ToughShooter`	`if I'm on a killing spree after a while only good players have positive scores (and mates)`
`13:49.59`	`ToughShooter`	`this doesn't aplly to <7 shot servers however`
`13:50.16`	`Birdie`	`i only get good scores on 2 or 3 shots servers`
`13:50.32`	`Birdie`	`maybe on 5 shots..but much less`
`13:50.46`	`Birdie`	`hepcat, gamesunited are "my" places`
`13:50.58`	`Birdie`	`silvercat *`
`13:51.20`	`ToughShooter`	`~bzfquery silvercat.tybox.net`
`13:51.52`	`ToughShooter`	`Aww, I was bringing a few players in and now they left again. How mean!`
`13:53.25`	`Birdie`	`is it wooD or wooT from trees?`
`13:53.29`	`Birdie`	`three`
`13:53.36`	`Birdie`	`oh my...my english`
`13:53.55`	`ToughShooter`	`woot = progress, wood = trees`
`13:54.02`	`Birdie`	`thx:)`
`13:56.43`	`bryjen`	`woot is like hurrah`
`13:56.48`	`bryjen`	`~dict hurrah`
`13:57.17`	`bryjen`	`are you excited about painting?`
`13:57.21`	`bryjen`	`;)`
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`14:44.31`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldEventManager.cxx: fixing bug #1251556`
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`14:54.44`	`wegstar`	`where's "strcasecmp"?`
`14:55.05`	`Tupone`	`#include <strings.h>`
`14:55.12`	`wegstar`	`oh`
`14:57.34`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Check duration syntax on ban command`
`14:57.50`	`wegstar`	`is this also in <string>?`
`14:58.03`	`Tupone`	`string is for std::string`
`14:58.11`	`wegstar`	`strings?`
`14:59.09`	`Tupone`	`what kind of strcasecmp you want to call: on char* or std::string ?`
`14:59.41`	`wegstar`	`I don't know.. VC++ is giving me errors about it when trying to compile bzfs`
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`15:00.37`	`wegstar`	`saying htat it is not found`
`15:01.37`	`wegstar`	`so umm..`
`15:01.40`	`bryjen`	`iirc, JeffM said yesterday the free VC beta won't compile bzflag/bzfs/bzadmin as is.`
`15:01.49`	`wegstar`	`o`
`15:02.07`	`bryjen`	`it can be used to make plugins`
`15:03.00`	`wegstar`	`could someone compile me a bzfs.lib? mine's extremely outdated :/`
`15:03.30`	`bryjen`	`there should be one in the beta 14 package for windows that matches the .exe in that package`
`15:03.56`	`wegstar`	`o`
`15:05.02`	`bryjen`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4791`
`15:07.30`	`wegstar`	`ok.. thanks`
`15:09.49`	`wegstar`	`~seen lan56`
`15:09.50`	`ibot`	`lan56 <~lan56@pool-71-104-193-24.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7d 12h 26m 19s ago, saying: 'hey, any others devs get an email message from a one "joelee (at) axs (dot) net" (replace parenthesis with appropriate symbol) that says it is a spam filtering thing responding about an email from your sourceforge account? I ...`
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`15:32.07`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/events.html:`
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`16:09.33`	`Pimpinella`	`it's amazing how much traffic is reduced lately`
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`16:10.38`	`Pimpinella`	`whoever made the change that enabled that reduction: great!`
`16:12.24`	`wegstar`	`;)`
`16:19.22`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, bryjen did you all get the event removal stuff fixed?`
`16:19.54`	`blast007`	`seems to work fine now, after applying a patch from bryjen`
`16:20.18`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`16:20.21`	`JeffM2501`	`did he check that in?`
`16:21.37`	`bryjen`	`yes, he did :)`
`16:21.43`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`16:21.51`	`JeffM2501`	`just saw the emails on the bug thingy`
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`17:20.13`	`SportChick`	`~secretplace`
`17:20.35`	`SportChick`	`~more`
`17:20.35`	`ibot`	`more is probably Displays the contents of the named files, one screenful at a time. Syntax: more (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: more papers/history-final displays the file papers/history-final.`
`17:28.22`	`bryjen`	`~less`
`17:28.23`	`ibot`	`. URL: http://www.flash.net/~marknu/less/ or more`
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`17:41.28`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/ (8 files in 2 dirs): pure pure undocumented EVIL I tell you.`
`17:43.10`	`wegstar`	`;)`
`17:43.25`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`17:45.31`	`JeffM2501`	`pray I never finish this`
`17:45.47`	`Aribeth`	`why is that?`
`17:46.01`	`JeffM2501`	`because it is evil`
`17:46.11`	`Aribeth`	`and how is it evil?`
`17:46.17`	`JeffM2501`	`http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/evil.png`
`17:46.20`	`JeffM2501`	`EVIL`
`17:47.37`	`Aribeth`	`finish it, finish it. i love EVIL :P`
`17:48.23`	`JeffM2501`	`they arn't fast`
`17:49.35`	`Aribeth`	`looks like lots of poly's`
`17:49.57`	`JeffM2501`	`it is`
`17:50.28`	`JeffM2501`	`and that's not even with the bspline surfaces`
`17:51.22`	`Aribeth`	`not shure that bspline is, but i will take your word on it`
`17:51.37`	`JeffM2501`	`a curve`
`17:51.41`	`Aribeth`	`s/that/what`
`17:52.45`	`Aribeth`	`ahh`
`17:53.59`	`JeffM2501`	`think of a sheet blowing in the wind`
`17:54.14`	`JeffM2501`	`at any point in time that is like a surface`
`17:56.18`	`Aribeth`	`i see`
`17:56.34`	`bryjen`	`"cannot load texture: textures\meat_colors\..."`
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`17:57.07`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah the map refrenced files I didn't have`
`17:57.22`	`bryjen`	`Mmm, meat`
`17:57.25`	`JeffM2501`	`the package didn't come with all the files the map used`
`17:57.27`	`Aribeth`	`now what is it?`
`17:57.36`	`JeffM2501`	`it is DM_WhiteMeat`
`18:00.58`	`JeffM2501`	`or specificly Q3ADMWhitemeat.pk3`
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`18:01.47`	`bz8849`	`i have boxes with a "matref blah" parameter, and i keep getting the error, unknown object parameter "matref"`
`18:01.53`	`bz8849`	`can somebody please help?`
`18:02.11`	`JeffM2501`	`boxes can't have materials`
`18:02.13`	`JeffM2501`	`use a meshbox`
`18:02.15`	`bz8849`	`oh`
`18:02.19`	`bz8849`	`how do i do that?`
`18:02.29`	`JeffM2501`	`change the word "BOX" to "MESHBOX"`
`18:02.33`	`bz8849`	`k`
`18:02.36`	`bz8849`	`it's that simple?`
`18:02.45`	`bz8849`	`koolio`
`18:02.53`	`JeffM2501`	`the "mesh" objects can have the material paramaters`
`18:02.57`	`JeffM2501`	`the old objects can not`
`18:02.59`	`bz8849`	`find and replace!`
`18:03.03`	`bz8849`	`weird`
`18:03.15`	`JeffM2501`	`why is it wierd?`
`18:03.21`	`JeffM2501`	`it's for compatability`
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`18:06.38`	`bz8849`	`oh`
`18:06.40`	`bz8849`	`i see`
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`18:12.13`	`Grumbler`	`something tells me that png is not very playable`
`18:12.27`	`JeffM2501`	`png?`
`18:12.47`	`Grumbler`	`evil`
`18:12.56`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh the png has nothing to do with the evil`
`18:13.26`	`bryjen`	`then it's misnamed`
`18:13.31`	`Grumbler`	`well, it was called evil.png.......`
`18:13.41`	`Grumbler`	`fudge too slow`
`18:13.45`	`JeffM2501`	`it was just a png OF the evil, it could have been a BMP of evil :)`
`18:14.28`	`JeffM2501`	`mehh`
`18:14.36`	`JeffM2501`	`purpie is at conf`
`18:14.44`	`JeffM2501`	`and tnl keeps crashing on me`
`18:16.05`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: i'm here...`
`18:16.09`	`bryjen`	`to be evil in and of itself, use .tiff`
`18:16.13`	`JeffM2501`	`and you are at conf :)`
`18:16.20`	`purple_cow`	`conference is over now`
`18:16.27`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`18:16.31`	`JeffM2501`	`how was it?`
`18:16.46`	`purple_cow`	`awesome, as expected`
`18:17.07`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`18:17.52`	`purple_cow`	`bbiab, shower just freed up`
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`18:30.09`	`bryjen`	`the evil does not compile. headers w/o newline before EOF, unused paramter on a stub function, variables declared but only used in a comment- or #def-ed out block`
`18:40.38`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Fix ban duration parameter and explicit error message`
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`19:19.02`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, I said it was evil`
`19:19.20`	`JeffM2501`	`hell the evil crashes right now`
`19:20.27`	`JeffM2501`	`but I think it crashes because I am using Q3TA maps instead of Q3A maps`
`19:26.29`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, can you post your warning list? I can fix it`
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`19:31.00`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Reduced thanks Tupone :-)`
`19:32.02`	`Grumbler`	`pull`
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`19:40.32`	`Gnurdux`	`where is the code that manages whether one is touching a certain phydrv surface?`
`19:41.11`	`JeffM2501`	`look for where death is used`
`19:41.29`	`Gnurdux`	`i did i grepped src/bzflag for -i phys`
`19:41.49`	`JeffM2501`	`look for where death is used`
`19:41.56`	`Gnurdux`	`most of it seems to be checking the death`
`19:42.03`	`Gnurdux`	`but not actually detecting it`
`19:42.26`	`JeffM2501`	`the "detection" is the normal colision detection`
`19:42.35`	`JeffM2501`	`there is no specific check to see if you hit a pydriv`
`19:42.37`	`Gnurdux`	`/ if not dead yet, see if i'm sitting on deat`
`19:42.45`	`Gnurdux`	`yes i see`
`19:42.47`	`JeffM2501`	`just that when you hit an object, we see what to do when you hit it`
`19:43.57`	`Gnurdux`	`that just clls a func tho`
`19:44.02`	`Gnurdux`	`which just tretunrs a bool`
`19:44.40`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:44.43`	`Gnurdux`	`that might be it`
`19:44.57`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Another try, still better`
`19:48.17`	`Gnurdux`	`how big is the map?`
`19:48.22`	`Gnurdux`	`in hte unit bzflag uses?`
`19:48.33`	`Gnurdux`	`float pos[3]`
`19:48.43`	`Gnurdux`	`thats whats on MsgAlive`
`19:48.44`	`JeffM2501`	`depends on how big the map is`
`19:48.51`	`Gnurdux`	`so how would i choose a random pos`
`19:48.57`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`19:49.01`	`Gnurdux`	`how would i get the map size`
`19:49.05`	`JeffM2501`	`you would figure it out`
`19:49.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it's part of the world`
`19:49.11`	`JeffM2501`	`ish`
`19:49.18`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`19:49.22`	`JeffM2501`	`msg alive is the spawn message`
`19:49.24`	`Gnurdux`	`so bz has no func to do this`
`19:49.25`	`Gnurdux`	`i know`
`19:49.31`	`JeffM2501`	`no the client does not`
`19:49.32`	`Gnurdux`	`but it spawns the tank`
`19:49.35`	`JeffM2501`	`the server computes spawns`
`19:49.57`	`Gnurdux`	`true`
`19:50.03`	`JeffM2501`	`your going about this all the wrong way`
`19:50.10`	`Gnurdux`	`so how should i?`
`19:50.19`	`JeffM2501`	`move collisions server side`
`19:50.21`	`Gnurdux`	`i found just the right place to teleport`
`19:50.30`	`JeffM2501`	`add a "teleport" message and have the server do it all`
`19:50.44`	`Gnurdux`	`does the server have an collison detection?`
`19:50.45`	`JeffM2501`	`you are going to have to add a message to tell the other clients that you teleported`
`19:50.52`	`JeffM2501`	`no the server does NOT do it now`
`19:51.00`	`JeffM2501`	`that's why I said it needs to be moved there first`
`19:51.25`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, how doe the server manage teleports?`
`19:51.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't`
`19:51.34`	`JeffM2501`	`ish`
`19:51.37`	`Gnurdux`	`exactly`
`19:51.41`	`JeffM2501`	`every client knows when you go thru a teleporter`
`19:51.43`	`Gnurdux`	`so this is just like a teleport`
`19:51.44`	`Gnurdux`	`oh`
`19:51.46`	`JeffM2501`	`and they know what you are doing`
`19:51.52`	`Birdie`	`chestal ping`
`19:51.53`	`JeffM2501`	`you are NOT going thru a teleporter`
`19:51.57`	`Gnurdux`	`you mean since the is random`
`19:52.02`	`JeffM2501`	`exactly`
`19:52.27`	`Gnurdux`	`but bzflag i thought tried to prevent the server doing too much`
`19:52.33`	`JeffM2501`	`and your not doing collisions on all tanks, so your other clients don't know you hit a pydriv`
`19:52.38`	`Gnurdux`	`so the client could senda teleport message to the server`
`19:52.41`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, prevent?`
`19:52.49`	`JeffM2501`	`we don't prevent anything`
`19:52.49`	`Gnurdux`	`well i dunno`
`19:52.51`	`JeffM2501`	`we just don't do it`
`19:52.58`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`19:52.58`	`JeffM2501`	`we move more to the server every release`
`19:53.03`	`Gnurdux`	`oh`
`19:53.08`	`JeffM2501`	`your going to have a hell of a time making it work`
`19:53.12`	`JeffM2501`	`your way`
`19:53.18`	`Gnurdux`	`i was thinking why not just call the spawn function tho?`
`19:53.27`	`JeffM2501`	`you can't the spawn function is server side`
`19:54.57`	`Gnurdux`	`the tank restart function>`
`19:55.09`	`JeffM2501`	`all that does is tell the server you died`
`19:55.10`	`Gnurdux`	`here is what i do know`
`19:55.17`	`Gnurdux`	`i htink the server does manage position`
`19:55.25`	`JeffM2501`	`the server knows the last known pos`
`19:55.29`	`Gnurdux`	`since if you remove processing of the alive command`
`19:55.35`	`JeffM2501`	`what?`
`19:55.35`	`Gnurdux`	`and amek it autorespawn`
`19:55.41`	`Gnurdux`	`you respawn in the same location`
`19:55.47`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`19:55.51`	`JeffM2501`	`we know where you were last`
`19:55.51`	`Gnurdux`	`if you put break at the beginning of MsgAlive`
`19:56.00`	`JeffM2501`	`but that dosn't mean the client knows how to spawn`
`19:56.02`	`Gnurdux`	`and server->sendAlive(); return;`
`19:56.09`	`JeffM2501`	`you can't just send another message alive and expect a respawn`
`19:56.11`	`Gnurdux`	`in tankexplode`
`19:56.14`	`Gnurdux`	`no i know`
`19:56.17`	`JeffM2501`	`that happens AFTER you die`
`19:56.24`	`JeffM2501`	`do you want to die?`
`19:56.27`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`19:56.38`	`Gnurdux`	`ill try it my way`
`19:56.40`	`JeffM2501`	`then you have to ether add a new message or change the way the current mesages work`
`19:56.41`	`Gnurdux`	`for 30 mins`
`19:56.48`	`Gnurdux`	`then yours :)`
`19:57.34`	`JeffM2501`	`best of luck`
`19:57.53`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`19:57.58`	`Gnurdux`	`:)`
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`20:08.44`	`bryjen`	`aww, ratz`
`20:09.41`	`JeffM2501`	`I just made some changes`
`20:09.45`	`JeffM2501`	`it shoudl help it build`
`20:09.48`	`bryjen`	`yes, just`
`20:09.53`	`JeffM2501`	`just just :)`
`20:10.04`	`JeffM2501`	`did I beat you by a smidge?`
`20:10.32`	`bryjen`	`s'okay`
`20:10.45`	`JeffM2501`	`many of the stubs are no longer stubs`
`20:10.55`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/ (Q3BSP.cxx Q3BSP.h wavefrontOBJ.h): make the evil do something`
`20:16.42`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/model.h: newline at end`
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`20:17.31`	`bryjen`	`all the power of the internet focused to append one char`
`20:17.47`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`20:18.30`	`_Manu_`	`at last is not a ws :)`
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`20:18.48`	`bryjen`	`newline is sorta whitespace`
`20:18.58`	`_Manu_`	`I know :)`
`20:20.32`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, ping`
`20:21.39`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/Q3BSP.cxx: move declaration inside #def to quiet unused warning`
`20:22.18`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, something for the apple thing?`
`20:22.26`	`bryjen`	`yeah`
`20:22.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I just ganked the code from ogre :)`
`20:24.49`	`bryjen`	`do you _have_ to predeclare the i in for (i=0; i<e; i++) ?`
`20:25.47`	`Gnurdux`	`you can do for (int i = 0; ...)`
`20:25.54`	`Gnurdux`	`that declares it in that loop`
`20:26.16`	`JeffM2501`	`I could make an int at the top and just reuse it`
`20:26.22`	`JeffM2501`	`it's viable`
`20:26.32`	`JeffM2501`	`doing it in the loop is just habbit`
`20:26.45`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.45`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.45`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:26.45`	`Gnurdux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:27.03`	`Gnurdux`	`for somereason when i die on such a physics driver that propels me to extreme heights`
`20:27.05`	`JeffM2501`	`best of luck with that Gnurdux`
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`20:45.18`	`Gnurdux`	`btw the move func moves the tank JeffM2501`
`20:45.22`	`Gnurdux`	`and tells the server too`
`20:45.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I know`
`20:46.05`	`JeffM2501`	`and you are going to be kicked for cheating`
`20:46.09`	`JeffM2501`	`because it is not a valid move`
`20:46.46`	`Gnurdux`	`oh`
`20:46.53`	`Gnurdux`	`its not kicking me here`
`20:47.21`	`JeffM2501`	`is it working right tho?`
`20:47.32`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`20:47.44`	`Gnurdux`	`but i dont think that is the only problem`
`20:48.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm sure it's not`
`20:48.22`	`Gnurdux`	`:)`
`20:48.43`	`bryjen`	`i don't think the server is that smart.... yet`
`20:48.57`	`JeffM2501`	`there is movement cheat code in`
`20:48.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it's minimal`
`20:49.45`	`bryjen`	`it should really compare oldpos and newpos and boot you if you've moved too far too fast without going thru a teleporter`
`20:50.00`	`bryjen`	`but i don't think it does`
`20:50.00`	`JeffM2501`	`that it should and that it will when it's implemented`
`20:50.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I thought it did some`
`20:51.01`	`Gnurdux`	`well my serv isnt kicking me`
`20:51.03`	`JeffM2501`	`but client side DR is gonna GEEK all to thell on that`
`20:51.27`	`bryjen`	`i know it checks the velocity you've told it you're going against a max, but you can sent one number as your speed, and actually add a different number to your pos`
`20:53.18`	`JeffM2501`	`fun`
`20:53.33`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, how does it look to other tanks?`
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`20:56.39`	`Gnurdux`	`i dunno`
`20:56.52`	`Gnurdux`	`i give up`
`20:58.33`	`Gnurdux`	`f***`
`20:58.52`	`Gnurdux`	`i jsut deleted the bzfs config`
`20:59.29`	`*** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`21:00.27`	`blast007`	`:/`
`21:00.31`	`JeffM2501`	`where did he come from?`
`21:06.10`	`bryjen`	`maryland`
`21:06.49`	`jpa-`	`JeffM2501: i think having phydrvs in map disables the speed-check`
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`21:08.04`	`JeffM2501`	`it may`
`21:09.22`	`jpa-`	`..why can't people just be nice and not cheat`
`21:10.02`	`JeffM2501`	`because they are human`
`21:14.20`	`bryjen`	`there are bools, disableHeight,Checks and disableSpeedChecks. i see where the height one is used, but not the speed one`
`21:16.50`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/ (Q3BSP.cxx model.h modeltool.cxx):`
`21:16.50`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: import quake3 bsp files will all faces except billboards.`
`21:16.50`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: add global options to scale and shift the map on output.`
`21:16.50`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: add option to tell bsp reader to skip faces with specific materials.`
`21:19.00`	`bryjen`	`ah, it sets speedTolerance to MAXFLOAT`
`21:19.18`	`JeffM2501`	`that's prety damned fast :)`
`21:21.21`	`bryjen`	`if you have a phydrv that modifies x or y or angular velocity`
`21:22.08`	`bryjen`	`tolerance factor, so maxspeed * maxfloat. hella fast`
`21:23.55`	`JeffM2501`	`yay for non convex mesh faces :)`
`21:24.25`	`bryjen`	`~dict convex`
`21:24.56`	`JeffM2501`	`aka my polys are jacked`
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`21:26.19`	`bryjen`	`protuberant sounds mildly bad`
`21:30.00`	`ToughShooter`	`ping menotume`
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`21:30.43`	`ToughShooter`	`Hi SC`
`21:30.57`	`jpa-`	`hi ts`
`21:31.26`	`jpa-`	`(are we really too lazy to type more than two letters?)`
`21:32.00`	`menotume`	`pong`
`21:33.41`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/Q3BSP.cxx: split the polygon faces into triangles, since they are really trifans in quake`
`21:47.28`	`SportChick`	`ToughShooter: hiya`
`21:47.39`	`SportChick`	`~jpa---`
`21:47.50`	`SportChick`	`~karma SportChick`
`21:47.50`	`ibot`	`sportchick has karma of 100`
`21:49.41`	`menotume`	`100 is an unlucky number`
`21:49.56`	`menotume`	`~SportChick-=5`
`21:50.14`	`SportChick`	`~karma SportChick`
`21:50.14`	`ibot`	`sportchick has karma of 100`
`21:50.24`	`SportChick`	`~karma menotume`
`21:50.24`	`ibot`	`menotume has karma of 35`
`21:50.40`	`menotume`	`:)`
`21:50.42`	`SportChick`	`!weather 90277`
`21:50.43`	TheLastSpartan`	`SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 77�F (1:55 PM PDT on August 05, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 66�F. Wind: WNW at 12 mph (18 km/h). Pressure: 29.97 in (1015 hPa). Visibility: 8.0 miles (12.9 kilometers). UV: 10 out of 16`
`21:50.44`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/events.html: spellcheck samoa`
`21:53.31`	`JeffM2501`	`well actualy fans into triangles`
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`21:53.46`	`foo-on-fire`	`where's the config file kept on os x bzflag builds?`
`21:58.42`	`ToughShooter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:59.17`	`foo-on-fire`	`thanks`
`22:00.37`	`ToughShooter`	`Unluckily bzfs doesn't understand "Application\ Support/" so I have to enter it by hand, removing the "\"s :/`
`22:04.36`	`foo-on-fire`	`also, how would i have the time stay permanently just one time always?`
`22:04.45`	`foo-on-fire`	`in bzflag`
`22:04.53`	`foo-on-fire`	`if you know what i mean :P`
`22:05.24`	`*** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`22:05.29`	`Gnurdux`	`whats a good map for me to run?`
`22:06.51`	`foo-on-fire`	`no matter what, always a certain time`
`22:07.09`	`foo-on-fire`	`like, i can change the time with keys, but i want it to stay that way`
`22:07.26`	`foo-on-fire`	`is there an config option?`
`22:15.01`	`blast007`	`foo-on-fire: don't think so`
`22:15.19`	`blast007`	`the closest one locks the time to the server's local time`
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`23:36.31`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add support for custom map objects via callbacks.`
`23:37.33`	`brad2901`	`JeffM2501: Can the plugins all be compiled with VC express now?`
`23:37.43`	`JeffM2501`	`brad2901, they should`
`23:37.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't see why not`
`23:37.55`	`brad2901`	`ok`
`23:37.56`	`JeffM2501`	`the main app, no`
`23:38.00`	`JeffM2501`	`but plugins yeah`
`23:38.05`	`brad2901`	`thanks :)`
`23:38.15`	`JeffM2501`	`they work on linux too`
`23:38.22`	`JeffM2501`	`just fine an dandy`
`23:38.25`	`JeffM2501`	`for the ones that work`
`23:38.49`	`brad2901`	`okay`
`23:39.03`	`JeffM2501`	`asuming I finish up these other changes`
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