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`00:00.35`	`JeffM2501`	`well that you know`
`00:01.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm mostly saying in idea and layout`
`00:02.40`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-144-223.arcor-ip.net)`
`00:04.45`	`orchid`	`JeffM2501: where will it end up? on the wiki?`
`00:05.04`	`JeffM2501`	`I am thinking in the distro`
`00:05.07`	`JeffM2501`	`as offline docs`
`00:05.08`	`orchid`	`yes`
`00:05.19`	`orchid`	`misc/`
`00:05.23`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:05.34`	`JeffM2501`	`in /plugin/docs/`
`00:05.34`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
`00:06.34`	`orchid`	`heh, I really should look when I update`
`00:07.25`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: something that would be good is a quick paragraph on "Should I use a patch or a plugin?"`
`00:07.37`	`DTRemenak`	`s/use/write even`
`00:07.49`	`JeffM2501`	`a good thing`
`00:08.05`	`JeffM2501`	`I just thought the current doc was geting WAY large for a txt file`
`00:08.24`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, it probably was`
`00:10.02`	`blast007`	`I'm doing a plugin, and if it's loaded, and I shut down the server, it's crashing when the autoDelete() is called`
`00:10.21`	`JeffM2501`	`what OS?`
`00:10.30`	`blast007`	`Windows`
`00:10.54`	`JeffM2501`	`do you ever directly allocate a bzAPIString, intlist, floatlist or stringlist in your plugin?`
`00:11.05`	`JeffM2501`	`and do you remove your events on unload?`
`00:12.18`	`blast007`	`would an intlist be something like "std::map<int, bla> blabla" ?`
`00:12.23`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:12.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a specific type`
`00:12.33`	`blast007`	`then no`
`00:12.42`	`blast007`	`and yes, it's removing all the events`
`00:12.44`	`JeffM2501`	`are you removing your events?`
`00:12.46`	`JeffM2501`	`wierd`
`00:12.53`	`blast007`	`dying in line 37 of WorldEventManager.cxx`
`00:13.08`	`blast007`	`which has: if ((itr) && (itr)->autoDelete())`
`00:13.09`	`JeffM2501`	`you can get crashes like that if you pass something in to the API that you allocated and it trys to delete it, or vice versa`
`00:13.27`	`JeffM2501`	`this on a world weap?`
`00:14.00`	`blast007`	`I have three events, bz_eTickEvent, bz_ePlayerJoinEvent, and bz_ePlayerPartEvent`
`00:14.16`	`blast007`	`the autodelete doesn't even do anything:`
`00:14.18`	`blast007`	`virtual bool autoDelete ( void ) { return false;} // this will be used for more then one event`
`00:14.23`	`JeffM2501`	`is bzfs trying to delete something that you allocated in your plugin?`
`00:14.42`	`blast007`	`it's possible`
`00:14.49`	`JeffM2501`	`did you set your autodelte to return true?`
`00:15.02`	`JeffM2501`	`no plugin shoudl ever do that`
`00:15.26`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`00:15.30`	`blast007`	`just copied this from another plugin`
`00:15.34`	`JeffM2501`	`wierd`
`00:15.39`	`DTRemenak`	`probably should mention that in the docs if you haven't already ;)`
`00:15.44`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I have`
`00:15.47`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just not in those`
`00:15.54`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, k`
`00:15.56`	`JeffM2501`	`that's why the default in the base class is false`
`00:16.11`	`JeffM2501`	`the code even says it in the header`
`00:16.11`	`JeffM2501`	`virtual bool autoDelete ( void ) { return false; }// only set this to true if you are internal to the bzfs module ( on windows )`
`00:16.17`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, ok`
`00:16.53`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm join and part do stuff with strings`
`00:17.07`	`JeffM2501`	`are you doing anything funky with the callsign or reason strings?`
`00:17.18`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: another cool thing would be to doxygenize at least the api header`
`00:17.33`	`JeffM2501`	`manythings would be cool`
`00:17.36`	`DTRemenak`	`people coming from a java background are comforted by doxygen`
`00:17.36`	`blast007`	`I'm storing them in a struct`
`00:17.58`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, does your struct include a bzAPIString as one of it's memebers?`
`00:18.08`	`blast007`	`std::string`
`00:18.29`	`blast007`	`the rest is int's, bool's and float''s`
`00:18.29`	`JeffM2501`	`and you are geting the data using c_str() on the bz strings?`
`00:18.48`	`blast007`	`yup`
`00:18.51`	`JeffM2501`	`wierrd`
`00:18.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd have to see it`
`00:19.11`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I just don't like the way doxy does it's in code coment stuff`
`00:19.21`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: why not?`
`00:19.26`	`*** join/#bzflag RPG_ (~G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`00:19.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it's fugly`
`00:19.35`	`RPG_`	`did you diagnose my plugin?`
`00:19.38`	`DTRemenak`	`they support a couple different types of notation`
`00:19.43`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, did you check your mail`
`00:19.46`	`RPG_`	`yes`
`00:19.50`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I'm sure I could be forced to do it`
`00:19.53`	`RPG_`	`oh....`
`00:19.54`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, did you see my repply?`
`00:19.54`	`DTRemenak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:20.03`	`RPG_`	`check out bzflag.org`
`00:20.13`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, it's not that, it's just the order and stuff they do things in,`
`00:20.46`	`JeffM2501`	`don't they have a way where you put all the paramaters`
`00:20.49`	`JeffM2501`	`then the return stuff`
`00:20.52`	`JeffM2501`	`and then a description`
`00:20.53`	`JeffM2501`	`etc..`
`00:21.02`	`JeffM2501`	`or am I thinking of somethign else`
`00:21.11`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, sf has problems`
`00:21.20`	`JeffM2501`	`w.b.o is nfg`
`00:21.23`	`RPG_`	`bzflag.org is SF?`
`00:21.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`00:21.33`	`JeffM2501`	`www.bzflag.org is`
`00:21.40`	`JeffM2501`	`and only www.bzflag.org is`
`00:21.52`	`JeffM2501`	`my.bzflag.org is somewhere else`
`00:23.09`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: ah, you mean like \param fd The file descriptor to which we write?`
`00:23.37`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
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`00:24.05`	`DTRemenak`	`what notation would you prefer (out of curiosity)`
`00:24.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`00:24.27`	`JeffM2501`	`that just didn't work with my workflow`
`00:24.41`	`JeffM2501`	`fiberchunks tried to get me on it with Firestarter`
`00:24.47`	`JeffM2501`	`but then I could just be a picky bastard`
`00:24.51`	`DTRemenak`	`dunno about you but I don't do it until after I've written it :)`
`00:24.58`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't ether`
`00:25.12`	`JeffM2501`	`cus when you are making it, it may be wrong, and you'll ahve to change it:)`
`00:25.15`	`DTRemenak`	`yup :)`
`00:25.47`	`DTRemenak`	`it's a good way to clearly describe each parameter with notes (like, never set this to true unless you're internal to bzfs) though`
`00:26.12`	`RPG_`	`JeffM: did you put the raceto7 plugin in CVS?`
`00:29.03`	`blast007`	`ah, this time, when I did an /unloadplugin, it died in WorldEventManager.cxx on line 112`
`00:29.14`	`blast007`	`doing the "eventList[i]->process(eventData);" on my tick event`
`00:29.41`	`JeffM2501`	`then it REALY sounds like your not unloading your events`
`00:29.46`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, no, why would I/`
`00:30.02`	`RPG_`	`it just had the format of a CVS plugin. it's my curiosity`
`00:30.04`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, never said it was bad, just said I didn't like it :)`
`00:30.15`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe`
`00:30.16`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, cvs has nothing to do with code format`
`00:30.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I based your plugin off the new template`
`00:30.38`	`JeffM2501`	`you screwed up your project somehow`
`00:30.44`	`RPG_`	`i got a warning compiling it;`
`00:30.44`	`RPG_`	`racetoseven.def(2) : warning LNK4017: DESCRIPTION statement not supported for the target platform; ignored`
`00:30.44`	`RPG_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:30.59`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, that's fine`
`00:31.03`	`blast007`	`it's just a warning, and not an important one`
`00:31.16`	`JeffM2501`	`your compiler just dosn't support the description field`
`00:31.20`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`00:31.38`	`RPG_`	`my Project > Properties has some type of bug`
`00:31.48`	`RPG_`	`so i can't change anything`
`00:33.15`	`blast007`	`strange`
`00:33.19`	`JeffM2501`	`what file did you click on?`
`00:33.24`	`JeffM2501`	`and what build type are you on?`
`00:34.06`	`RPG_`	`me?`
`00:34.18`	`RPG_`	`i went Project > racetoseven Properties`
`00:34.34`	`RPG_`	`configuration is Debug`
`00:34.48`	`RPG_`	`I can see the left menu pane, but to the right, it's all balnk`
`00:34.53`	`RPG_`	`even when i lcick on a menu item`
`00:35.09`	`JeffM2501`	`wierd`
`00:35.24`	`JeffM2501`	`right click on the project in the solution explorer`
`00:35.28`	`JeffM2501`	`and hit properties`
`00:35.42`	`RPG_`	`stilll blank pane`
`00:35.58`	`RPG_`	`bug: when I typed a custom command, such as /match, the plugin would do it's thing, properly, but then the server woudl say "unknown command [match]"`
`00:36.42`	`JeffM2501`	`did you set the "handled" bit in the data the event sent you back?`
`00:36.48`	`JeffM2501`	`so bzfs knows you did something with it?`
`00:36.58`	`RPG_`	`no i didn't`
`00:37.07`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's doing exactly what you told it to do`
`00:37.19`	`*** part/#bzflag zoly (~zoly@p549DC5EE.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:38.09`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/ (entrys.html general.html index.html types.html): give HTML a chance for documentation, it's certanly purdyer`
`00:38.24`	`JeffM2501`	`or maybe I'm thinking of something else`
`00:38.47`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh what did you return from your virtual bool handle ( int playerID, bzApiString command, bzApiString message ); method?`
`00:39.11`	`RPG_`	`false`
`00:39.18`	`JeffM2501`	`that means you didn't handle it`
`00:39.19`	`RPG_`	`but I changed it to 'true'`
`00:39.45`	`RPG_`	`on another note:`
`00:39.45`	`RPG_`	`in this function "bz_PlayerRecord * bz_getPlayerByIndex ( int index )"`
`00:39.45`	`RPG_`	`could you add a bit that would return a player's e-mail addresss?`
`00:39.58`	`JeffM2501`	`I guess`
`00:40.00`	`RPG_`	`line 586`
`00:40.04`	`RPG_`	`bzfsAPI.cxx`
`00:40.05`	`JeffM2501`	`it would be more then a bit :)`
`00:40.10`	`RPG_`	`well....`
`00:40.15`	`RPG_`	`lkl`
`00:42.37`	`blast007`	`apparently it's not unloading _any_ of my events`
`00:42.44`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, that is not good`
`00:43.00`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfsPlugins.cxx bzfsPlugins.h): return an error if the /loadplugin fails`
`00:43.04`	`blast007`	`I took out the tick, and it then crashed when I left the server (the part event)`
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`00:43.39`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx):`
`00:43.39`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: add email to player record class.`
`00:43.39`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: bump API version to 6`
`00:43.42`	`JeffM2501`	`put a breakpoint in the unload is it being called?`
`00:43.54`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, there ya go`
`00:43.58`	`blast007`	`bz_unload doesk`
`00:44.00`	`RPG_`	`:D`
`00:44.03`	`blast007`	`er, k*`
`00:44.03`	`bzflagwiz`	`~seen Tupone`
`00:44.04`	`ibot`	`tupone <~Tupone@Tupone.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 17m 58s ago, saying: 'just killing birdie is enough '.`
`00:44.14`	`RPG_`	`~JeffM2501++`
`00:44.26`	`RPG_`	`~seen RPG`
`00:44.26`	`ibot`	`rpg <~G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 8d 23h 8m 59s ago, saying: 'i was checking out a new mobo'.`
`00:44.28`	`JeffM2501`	`step into the unregister and see what happens`
`00:44.31`	`JeffM2501`	`I have to leave soon`
`00:44.37`	`JeffM2501`	`well leave now`
`00:44.56`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1)`
`00:44.59`	`JeffM2501`	`best of luck ya all`
`00:45.04`	`RPG_`	`cya`
`00:45.08`	`blast007`	`:)`
`00:45.14`	`blast007`	`cya`
`00:51.00`	`RPG_`	`jeffm!!!!!!!`
`00:51.08`	`RPG_`	`what are the event types??????????`
`00:51.23`	`brad2901`	`<-- JeffM2501 has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))`
`00:51.36`	`RPG_`	`i was hoping by shouting he'd come back`
`00:51.37`	`blast007`	`RPG_: one sec, let me see where they are defined`
`00:51.46`	`RPG_`	`all i need is one for a flag capture`
`00:52.21`	`blast007`	`they're defined right on bzfsAPI.h`
`00:52.27`	`blast007`	`under the enum bz_eEventType`
`00:52.42`	`blast007`	`bz_eCaptureEvent`
`00:52.47`	`RPG_`	`there we go`
`01:17.32`	`*** join/#bzflag Thumper_ (~bernt@CPE000102d0fe75-CM0012256ecbde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`01:37.48`	`*** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`01:37.51`	`Gnurdux`	`serves back up`
`01:37.55`	`Gnurdux`	`*servers`
`01:37.57`	`*** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`01:43.19`	`blast007`	`hrm...doesn't seem to be my plugin that's the issue... the playHistoryTracker plugin crashes the server too, when I shut the server down`
`01:50.50`	`CBG`	`g'morning all. ;)`
`01:52.52`	`blast007`	`and shockwaveDeath...and airspawn...`
`01:53.00`	`blast007`	`seems like it's not removing events`
`01:56.18`	`*** join/#bzflag RPG_ (~G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`01:56.56`	`RPG_`	`hi`
`01:58.18`	`blast007`	`hi again :)`
`01:58.30`	`RPG_`	`:sigh:`
`02:02.10`	`RPG_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:02.10`	`RPG_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:02.18`	`RPG_`	`how do you make a cast :sigh:`
`02:03.07`	`*** join/#bzflag absurdhero (~absurd@c-67-172-162-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`02:14.22`	`blast007`	`what is on the line that the error occurs?`
`02:14.22`	`RPG_`	`it's my plugin`
`02:14.22`	`blast007`	`i know`
`02:14.22`	`RPG_`	`i half-understand why i'm getting the error`
`02:14.22`	`RPG_`	`32`
`02:14.22`	`blast007`	`what is on the line...`
`02:14.22`	`blast007`	`in your code`
`02:14.22`	`RPG_`	`bz_registerGeneralEvent(bz_ePlayerJoinEvent,&raceToSeven);`
`02:14.22`	`RPG_`	`this is hte line above: bz_registerCustomSlashCommand("match_end",&raceToSeven);`
`02:14.22`	`purple_cow`	`perhaps you should pastebin the file`
`02:14.22`	`RPG_`	`perhaps i should`
`02:14.22`	`RPG_`	`http://pastebin.com/328893`
`02:14.22`	`blast007`	`RPG_: my plugin class is defined as: class PlayerStatusReporter : public bz_EventHandler`
`02:14.23`	`RPG_`	`duh!`
`02:14.23`	`RPG_`	`~lart RPG_`
`02:14.23`	`blast007`	`:)`
`02:14.23`	`RPG_`	`~lart ibot`
`02:14.23`	`RPG_`	`awww`
`02:14.23`	`RPG_`	`it's dead`
`02:14.23`	`RPG_`	`~RPG_`
`02:14.24`	`ibot`	`it has been said that rpg_ is not fat`
`02:14.24`	`blast007`	`ibot: hi`
`02:14.24`	`ibot`	`hello, blast007`
`02:14.24`	`RPG_`	`~botsnack fishsticks`
`02:14.24`	`ibot`	`RPG_: :)`
`02:14.25`	`blast007`	`quite dead`
`02:14.25`	`blast007`	`anyway, does it build right?`
`02:14.25`	`*** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~Daniel_Re@DHCP-170-143.caltech.edu)`
`02:14.41`	`brlcad`	`eek`
`02:17.28`	`AHappyCow`	`hi brlcad`
`02:17.33`	`bryjen`	`botflood`
`02:18.24`	`AHappyCow`	`ibot geez`
`02:18.34`	`RPG_`	`~AHappyCow`
`02:18.40`	`RPG_`	`~bryjen`
`02:18.40`	`ibot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, bryjen is the owner of the KY,US server`
`02:19.18`	`bryjen`	`AHappyCow makes good cheese in california, if the commercials are to be believed`
`02:19.18`	`Aribeth`	`~Aribeth`
`02:19.29`	`Aribeth`	`hehe`
`02:19.33`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`02:19.41`	`RPG_`	`~seen CBG`
`02:19.41`	`ibot`	`cbg <~CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust173.cdif.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #silvercat, 28m 40s ago, saying: 'g'morning. ;)'.`
`02:19.48`	`RPG_`	`~seen RPG_`
`02:19.48`	`ibot`	`rpg_ is currently on #bzflag (23m 30s). Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 0s`
`02:21.32`	`amathis`	`P. cubensis.`
`02:21.58`	`RPG_`	`~logs`
`02:21.58`	`ibot`	`i heard logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`02:21.59`	`Aribeth`	`i got everything taken care of for my server at colomart`
`02:22.38`	`DTRemenak`	`~Aribeth++`
`02:23.08`	`Aribeth`	`i told them what problems they had and they needed fixing`
`02:23.26`	`DTRemenak`	`and they believed you!?!`
`02:23.30`	`Aribeth`	`yes`
`02:23.33`	`DTRemenak`	`sweet`
`02:24.11`	`Aribeth`	`even got a free month out of them`
`02:24.34`	`DTRemenak`	`even better`
`02:27.14`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: generally statements in C end in a semicolon. also quell a warning.`
`02:28.56`	`Aribeth`	`compression`
`02:29.26`	`Aribeth`	`or just clone yourself 8 times`
`02:29.39`	`bryjen`	`heh DEBUG1("If you see this, there is something terribly wrong.\n");`
`02:29.55`	`bryjen`	`i see it. oh noes!`
`02:29.55`	`Aribeth`	`ROFL`
`02:30.47`	`blast007`	`:)`
`02:34.51`	`brlcad`	`heh, howdy Aribeth`
`02:34.56`	`brlcad`	`moo to you too`
`02:35.10`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
`02:35.45`	`RPG_`	`what's wrong with this?`
`02:35.45`	`RPG_`	`http://pastebin.com/328911`
`02:36.35`	`DTRemenak`	`what does bz_getTeamWins return?`
`02:36.43`	`RPG_`	`int`
`02:36.58`	`RPG_`	`i mean lines 18 and above`
`02:37.01`	`DTRemenak`	`std::string only concatenates to other std::strings and to char and char*`
`02:37.04`	`Aribeth`	`party time :P`
`02:37.05`	`RPG_`	`i know what's wrong with 18 and below`
`02:37.08`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`02:37.27`	`RPG_`	`error C2533: 'RaceToSevenAutomatic::__ctor' : constructors not allowed a return type`
`02:39.05`	`DTRemenak`	`you need a semicolon ;)`
`02:39.10`	`DTRemenak`	`at the end of your class definition`
`02:39.28`	`DTRemenak`	`so like line 7`
`02:40.02`	`RPG_`	`my brain must be dead toinight`
`02:40.16`	`DTRemenak`	`those are tough to catch`
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`02:40.45`	`Aribeth`	`a missing ;. ya i hate those`
`02:41.07`	`Aribeth`	`i forget them sometimes`
`02:41.54`	`RPG_`	`hey look it worked`
`02:41.59`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
`02:42.00`	`RPG_`	`i'm too tired to function`
`02:42.45`	`DTRemenak`	`are you to tired to class too?`
`02:42.47`	`DTRemenak`	`har har har`
`02:43.04`	`Aribeth`	`roflmao`
`02:43.04`	`bryjen`	`RPG_.sleep(86060);`
`02:43.49`	`RPG_`	`RPG_ error(1) Too tired to slee[`
`02:44.01`	`Aribeth`	`my $RPG_ = sleep;`
`02:44.04`	`DTRemenak`	`wow, that's pretty bad when you're too tired to slee[.`
`02:44.23`	`RPG_`	`but i must finish this`
`02:44.38`	`Aribeth`	`then whisky may help :P`
`02:44.46`	`DTRemenak`	`this->finish();`
`02:45.14`	`DTRemenak`	`Aribeth, naw that'll just give him a hangover in the morning`
`02:45.40`	`Aribeth`	`oh well`
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`02:46.07`	`Aribeth`	`i guess i'll have the hangover then`
`02:46.40`	`RPG_`	`huh?`
`02:46.47`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`02:46.51`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`02:46.58`	`DTRemenak`	`oblique reference to slee[.`
`02:47.17`	`DTRemenak`	`mmm, money wrench`
`02:47.24`	`DTRemenak`	`and antistatics`
`02:47.25`	`Aribeth`	`monkey*`
`02:47.33`	`Aribeth`	`geez, cant type :P`
`02:47.37`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
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`02:47.48`	`RPG_`	`but a money wrench could be userful`
`02:48.05`	`Aribeth`	`ya it would`
`02:57.10`	`RPG_`	`these plugins are so cool`
`02:57.53`	`RPG_`	`does anyoehn knwo how to prevent someone from spawning?`
`02:58.00`	`RPG_`	`scratch taht`
`02:58.07`	`RPG_`	`prevent people from joining?`
`03:01.41`	`DTRemenak`	`there's an event for that iirc`
`03:04.12`	`blast007`	`bz_ePlayerJoinEvent`
`03:05.12`	`blast007`	`ah, or maybe bz_eAllowPlayer`
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`03:11.19`	`Aribeth`	`hi bzflagwiz`
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`03:11.51`	`blast007`	`RPG_: yup, with bz_eAllowPlayer, you should be able to set a reason for them being rejected, and set the 'allow' to false`
`03:12.38`	`RPG_`	`...can i have them bumped to observer instead?`
`03:13.10`	`RPG_`	`you know, so they don't have to think they're banned`
`03:13.17`	`RPG_`	`and so tey can watch the match`
`03:13.24`	`blast007`	`hmm`
`03:14.29`	`blast007`	`bz_eGetAutoTeamEvent`
`03:14.56`	`RPG_`	`where do i put that?`
`03:14.59`	`RPG_`	`sorry tiredness`
`03:15.13`	`blast007`	`register it as an event, and handle it in process()`
`03:15.58`	`RPG_`	`but here's the situation:`
`03:15.58`	`RPG_`	`a match is going on. The reds vs. the blues. both teams aren't full. someone joins blue, who isn't supposed to be playing in the match. I want that person bumped into observer`
`03:16.04`	`blast007`	`you can set the teamID element`
`03:16.31`	`blast007`	`hmm..let me see if it runs anyway`
`03:18.16`	`RPG_`	`i could use bz_kickUser and in teh reason tell them to join observer`
`03:18.20`	`RPG_`	`actually that might work`
`03:19.22`	`blast007`	`bz_eGetAutoTeamEvent should work`
`03:19.43`	`RPG_`	`but that's an event`
`03:19.49`	`blast007`	`right`
`03:19.49`	`RPG_`	`they have a bz_join event`
`03:19.55`	`RPG_`	`i'm using the bz_join event`
`03:20.16`	`blast007`	`well, the only way to bump them to observer is to use bz_eGetAutoTeamEvent`
`03:20.23`	`RPG_`	`ok`
`03:20.57`	`RPG_`	`now what do i put in the handle function?`
`03:21.56`	`blast007`	`my plugin doesn't use the 'handle' function`
`03:21.59`	`blast007`	`it uses 'process'`
`03:22.01`	`blast007`	`void PlayerStatusReporter::process ( bz_EventData *eventData )`
`03:22.03`	`RPG_`	`thats what i meant`
`03:22.07`	`blast007`	`k`
`03:22.09`	`RPG_`	`RaceToSevenAutomatic::process`
`03:22.40`	`blast007`	`mainly the same stuff you'd do for other events`
`03:22.47`	`blast007`	`you want to get to the data`
`03:22.53`	`RPG_`	`i get his ID number`
`03:23.09`	`RPG_`	`what function can i use to bump him to obs?`
`03:23.24`	`blast007`	`just set his 'teamID' to the observer team`
`03:24.04`	`RPG_`	`with bz_updatePlayerData`
`03:24.20`	`blast007`	`no`
`03:24.48`	`RPG_`	`but how would you set his ID?`
`03:24.50`	`blast007`	`1 sec, let me write a sample, so I know exactly how this works`
`03:25.00`	`RPG_`	`if(eventData->eventType == bz_eGetAutoTeamEvent && match_in_progress){`
`03:25.00`	`RPG_`
`03:25.00`	`RPG_`	`}`
`03:25.07`	`RPG_`	`you're in between the two {'s`
`03:26.39`	`blast007`	`bz_GetAutoTeamEventData getAutoTeamEvent = ( bz_GetAutoTeamEventData)eventData;`
`03:26.43`	`blast007`	`that will get you the data`
`03:27.29`	`blast007`	`then you can do getAutoTeamEvent.teamID = BZ_OBSERVERs`
`03:27.34`	`RPG_`	`ty`
`03:27.37`	`blast007`	`that's just a guess though`
`03:27.46`	`blast007`	`I haven't tried using this event yet`
`03:27.50`	`RPG_`	`~blast007++`
`03:31.17`	`RPG_`	`oh man`
`03:31.22`	`RPG_`	`i wanted to tell him that it worked`
`03:31.28`	`RPG_`	`~karma blast007`
`03:31.28`	`ibot`	`blast007 has karma of 43`
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`04:17.57`	`captrespect`	`hey`
`04:18.16`	`captrespect`	`why doesn't my alt+tab work in kde 3.4`
`04:21.49`	`blast007`	`F4 will minimize BZFlag`
`04:22.05`	`blast007`	`might need to be an SDL build for that, though`
`04:24.09`	`bryjen`	`~bzflist`
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`04:52.04`	`foo-on-fire`	`didn't JeffM2501 say wings3d had the best OBJ exporter or something?`
`04:52.09`	`foo-on-fire`	`now i forgot what he said`
`04:52.28`	`foo-on-fire`	`he told me to get wings3d when i was asking about exporting to OBJ`
`04:53.25`	`wegstar`	`umm`
`04:58.23`	`trepan`	`modeltool and the wing3d exporter are both work fairly well`
`04:58.28`	`trepan`	`s/are//`
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`05:10.44`	`foo-on-fire`	`wait a minute`
`05:10.52`	`foo-on-fire`	`wings exports directly to bzw?`
`05:12.47`	`trepan`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3652`
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`05:15.44`	`silverfox`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:15.51`	`silverfox`	`ERROR: Unable to start the server, perhaps one is already running?`
`05:16.08`	`silverfox`	`err...`
`05:16.10`	`silverfox`	`hmm.`
`05:16.51`	`silverfox`	`got it.`
`05:16.52`	`silverfox`	`nm`
`05:31.08`	`wegstar`	`;)`
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`06:10.22`	`wegstar`	`hmm`
`06:10.28`	`wegstar`	`where does bzfs go looking for plugins?`
`06:12.37`	`trepan`	`top of bzfsPlugins.cxx (os dependant)`
`06:13.05`	`creeperz`	`there are now plugins for bzfs?`
`06:13.10`	`creeperz`	`this game is getting weird`
`06:13.45`	`wegstar`	`:D`
`06:13.50`	`wegstar`	`hmm I got this error`
`06:14.23`	`wegstar`	`"The procedure entry point ??8bzApiString@@QAE_NPBD@Z could not be located in the dynamic link library bzfs.exe"`
`06:15.17`	`purple_cow`	`creeperz: ...weird?`
`06:15.30`	`creeperz`	`yes, weird :-)`
`06:15.37`	`creeperz`	`weird == like normal games`
`06:15.49`	`wegstar`	`help.. :(`
`06:16.16`	`creeperz`	`what kind of plugins have you?`
`06:16.38`	`wegstar`	`umm.. just one and the CVS examples`
`06:16.57`	`silverfox`	`anyone savvy w/daemontools?`
`06:17.24`	`creeperz`	`aye`
`06:17.50`	`creeperz`	`...matey....`
`06:19.26`	`wegstar`	`wait.. now I get this error: Plugin:announcer.dll found but expects an older API version (2), upgrade it`
`06:20.00`	`Pimpinella`	`this looks familiar`
`06:20.11`	`silverfox`	`I've got a log service that seems to be bouncing up and down. Having a hard time figuring why,.`
`06:20.36`	`silverfox`	`I can run the run script as root w/out incident.`
`06:22.59`	`wegstar`	`:(`
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`06:24.54`	`scanlime`	`hmm... hello`
`06:25.21`	`wegstar`	`RogueGenocide gives the same message too :(`
`06:25.24`	`scanlime`	`found a decent Gyros place over there :)`
`06:25.57`	`scanlime`	`purple_cow: how's the siggraphy-stuff going?`
`06:26.04`	`purple_cow`	`pretty good`
`06:26.11`	`purple_cow`	`tonight was the reception, which was about as crappy as last year`
`06:26.15`	`purple_cow`	`oh, speaking of which`
`06:26.21`	`purple_cow`	`want me to snag you a 2k6 pin?`
`06:26.27`	`scanlime`	`ooh.. sure`
`06:27.23`	`purple_cow`	`justin & i came up with the idea of selling counterfeit pins for previous years outside the door :)`
`06:27.34`	`scanlime`	`:)`
`06:28.17`	`purple_cow`	`we'd make millions!`
`06:28.52`	`scanlime`	`yep`
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`06:29.40`	`purple_cow`	`either that or only a few dorks like us would buy them`
`06:30.18`	`scanlime`	`anything's possible`
`06:30.42`	`scanlime`	`so in Palo Alto there's this giant egg`
`06:30.44`	`purple_cow`	`scanlime: there's still time to come buy a 1-day registration!`
`06:30.48`	`purple_cow`	`;)`
`06:30.51`	`scanlime`	`indeed`
`06:32.15`	`purple_cow`	`hrmph`
`06:32.36`	`purple_cow`	`there are some papers I should attend for work, but there's also an imax showing of polar express at the same time....`
`06:33.53`	`scanlime`	`http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/2004/2004_06_11.egg11.shtml`
`06:35.34`	`scanlime`	`also... http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/siggraph-2005/IMG_0572`
`06:35.46`	`scanlime`	`although I think my explanation fits pretty well, what were you actually doing?`
`06:35.59`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
`06:36.04`	`purple_cow`	`it was a haptic rowing simulator`
`06:36.10`	`purple_cow`	`flash washed out the projection`
`06:36.15`	`scanlime`	`hehe`
`06:36.26`	`scanlime`	`I see`
`06:36.40`	`creeperz`	`a rowing simulation, huh?`
`06:37.07`	`wegstar`	`anyone awake? :(`
`06:37.18`	`scanlime`	`I couldn't for the life of me figure out what this might be: http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/siggraph-2005/IMG_0562`
`06:37.18`	`silverfox`	`who's asking?`
`06:37.31`	`purple_cow`	`yep. graphics looked like they came straight from 1996, but the force feedback itself worked pretty well`
`06:37.34`	`scanlime`	`maybe a kaleidoscope harmonica bingo machine?`
`06:37.57`	`purple_cow`	`only about 5 newtons of force, but it was certainly in the right direction (could tell if the paddles were tilted, etc)`
`06:38.07`	`purple_cow`	`scanlime: one of those`
`06:38.15`	`scanlime`	`yay, I win`
`06:38.22`	`purple_cow`	`a digital kaleidoscope!`
`06:38.30`	`scanlime`	`hmm`
`06:38.37`	`scanlime`	`what were the red/blue egg ball thingies for?`
`06:38.40`	`scanlime`	`and the buttons?`
`06:38.47`	`purple_cow`	`justin's reaction to that was "some people research vizualisation of brain surgery to save lives, some people do this!"`
`06:38.54`	`scanlime`	`haha`
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`06:39.25`	`purple_cow`	`the buttons changed the kaleidoscope styles, and the balls did something to control which elements of the environment it photographed for the pictures`
`06:39.45`	`purple_cow`	`it was pretty rediculous`
`06:40.03`	`scanlime`	`all UIs should involve buttons and multicolored balls`
`06:40.23`	`scanlime`	`in fact, I should design a firewall administration tool that uses buttons and multico;o`
`06:40.28`	`scanlime`	`multicolored balls`
`06:40.30`	`purple_cow`	`well, it's e-tech, so if it doesn't involve some amount of silliness, it doesn't get accepted`
`06:40.39`	`scanlime`	`yeah`
`06:40.48`	`purple_cow`	`i'm not really sure how that's an "emerging technology", but whatever`
`06:41.04`	`scanlime`	`well...`
`06:41.07`	`scanlime`	`(1) it's technology`
`06:41.17`	`scanlime`	`(2) It certainly couldn't get any Iess popular`
`06:41.21`	`wegstar`	`jeffm2501: when loading a plugin I get this error: " Plugin:announcer.dll found but expects an older API version (2), upgrade it"`
`06:42.52`	`purple_cow`	`scanlime: hehehe`
`06:43.17`	`purple_cow`	`http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/siggraph-2005/IMG_0555 <-- they did have the thing from that horrible movie`
`06:43.32`	`purple_cow`	`which was pretty cool to see`
`06:43.47`	`scanlime`	`hehe`
`06:44.11`	`scanlime`	`someone should port google maps to the CAVE`
`06:44.40`	`scanlime`	`no clue, but I'm sure it'd be neat`
`06:45.31`	`wegstar`	`jeffm2501?`
`06:46.00`	`scanlime`	`:)`
`06:46.06`	`wegstar`	`:(`
`06:46.46`	`JeffM2501`	`wegstar, what plugin did you base it on?`
`06:46.51`	`wegstar`	`airspawn`
`06:47.10`	`JeffM2501`	`there may be some problems with a couple of the sample projects`
`06:47.17`	`JeffM2501`	`use the SAMPLE_PLUGIN one`
`06:47.27`	`wegstar`	`umm..`
`06:47.29`	`JeffM2501`	`and replace the term SAMPLE_PLUGIN in all the fiels with your name`
`06:47.45`	`JeffM2501`	`in the file names and in the contents of the files`
`06:48.05`	`JeffM2501`	`the error you get is when some names don't match and it dosn't export a function`
`06:48.09`	`JeffM2501`	`we found it today`
`06:48.12`	`wegstar`	`o`
`06:48.22`	`JeffM2501`	`be sure to change ALL the places`
`06:48.25`	`JeffM2501`	`you can't just do some`
`06:48.35`	`JeffM2501`	`or the export symbols won't match the library`
`06:48.40`	`purple_cow`	`scanlime: so yeah, i've discovered that in the right situation, i can still get geeky about star wars`
`06:48.42`	`wegstar`	`ok`
`06:48.46`	`JeffM2501`	`I put instructions in the docs`
`06:49.05`	`scanlime`	`purple_cow: congrats. what was the storm trooper there for?`
`06:49.35`	`purple_cow`	`there were a couple of them managing the line for tournaments of some star wars game`
`06:49.48`	`JeffM2501`	`wegstar, I am looking for an automated way to make new projects, that will put all the words in the right places, but I don't have one yet`
`06:49.51`	`scanlime`	`hehe`
`06:49.54`	`wegstar`	`oh`
`06:50.10`	`JeffM2501`	`so you have to open all the files in a text editor`
`06:50.14`	`JeffM2501`	`and do a search and replace`
`06:50.16`	`scanlime`	`heh`
`06:50.34`	`scanlime`	`perl -pi -e 's/SAMPLE_PLUGIN/myPlugin/' *`
`06:50.53`	`JeffM2501`	`scanlime, it may come to that`
`06:51.08`	`JeffM2501`	`sadly batch files can't do that on windows`
`06:51.21`	`scanlime`	`so.. give them a copy of perl for windows`
`06:51.33`	`scanlime`	`heck, make it a 2-line perl script instead of 1 so you can have a fancy GUI`
`06:51.36`	`scanlime`	`;)`
`06:51.36`	`JeffM2501`	`or python`
`06:51.40`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`06:51.49`	`JeffM2501`	`well VC does have a way to generate default projects`
`06:51.54`	`scanlime`	`eh, text processing like this is really what perl is good at`
`06:51.54`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be opimal for windows`
`06:51.59`	`scanlime`	`yea`
`06:52.08`	`JeffM2501`	`then a script like that for the other OSs`
`06:52.10`	`purple_cow`	`hah`
`06:52.16`	`purple_cow`	`the fancy gui is one line of perl? :)`
`06:52.20`	`scanlime`	`:)`
`06:52.44`	`JeffM2501`	`all it has to do is ask the name of the new plugin`
`06:53.13`	`scanlime`	`quick, someone port zenity to windows!`
`06:56.21`	`JeffM2501`	`mostly I just wanted something that was useable with the free .net e2k5 express thingy`
`06:57.30`	`JeffM2501`	`but I did put the nix build stuff in there too so I would not get a savage beating`
`07:02.35`	`wegstar`	`which one's the SAMPLE_PLUGIN one?`
`07:02.48`	`JeffM2501`	`the one called SAMPLE_PLUGIN`
`07:02.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it's new`
`07:02.57`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll have to cowboy up`
`07:03.04`	`wegstar`	`huh?`
`07:03.13`	`JeffM2501`	`get new cvs`
`07:03.26`	`JeffM2501`	`make with the cvs update`
`07:03.27`	`purple_cow`	`silly JeffM2501, letting PA infect his brain`
`07:03.35`	`JeffM2501`	`that one was freaking funny`
`07:03.48`	`purple_cow`	`yep :)`
`07:04.23`	`JeffM2501`	`"I don't care if you do shots of liquid plumber... just.. you know.. log on!"`
`07:04.39`	`purple_cow`	`heh, abridged a little ;)`
`07:05.47`	`purple_cow`	`that might not be something to admit in public`
`07:06.04`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`07:06.34`	`wegstar`	`hmm.. I guess I don't have it :(`
`07:07.31`	`JeffM2501`	`get it`
`07:07.37`	`JeffM2501`	`when did you last get CVS?`
`07:07.42`	`wegstar`	`now`
`07:07.53`	`JeffM2501`	`should be in the plugins dir`
`07:08.09`	`wegstar`	`nope`
`07:08.10`	`JeffM2501`	`unless I didn't commit it :(`
`07:08.12`	`JeffM2501`	`let me check`
`07:09.33`	`JeffM2501`	`no it is in CVS`
`07:09.35`	`JeffM2501`	`now SF is slow`
`07:09.45`	`JeffM2501`	`so maybe they are behind on the dev -> anon update`
`07:09.56`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly use shockwave death`
`07:10.10`	`JeffM2501`	`and replace the term shockwaveDeath with your plugin name`
`07:10.17`	`JeffM2501`	`for all files, names and contents`
`07:10.53`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah anon hasn't updated yet`
`07:10.58`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not in web yet`
`07:11.03`	`JeffM2501`	`but it's in dev`
`07:11.18`	`wegstar`	`ok then.. well I get it tomorrow then`
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`08:14.34`	`scanlime`	`ooh, embarrasing?`
`08:14.48`	`brlcad`	`utterly`
`08:15.02`	`brlcad`	`perhaps a bit entertaining to the spectators to some degree`
`08:15.37`	`scanlime`	`go on`
`08:15.43`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`08:16.16`	`jpa-`	`have a videoclip? ,)`
`08:16.31`	`brlcad`	`even the short summary is probably not appropriate`
`08:17.10`	`jpa-`	`we can't help him recover if we don't know what happened..`
`08:25.55`	`_Manu_`	`is this purple_cow ? http://www.milka.at/ :)`
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`09:02.38`	`jomojo`	`I a trying to remember how to us chanserv to promote to operator`
`09:02.55`	`jomojo`	`anyone know that command?`
`09:16.13`	`_Manu_`	`jomojo, try: /msg chanserv help op`
`09:17.35`	`jomojo`	`thanks`
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`12:27.47`	`CBG`	`Hi Saturos! :D`
`12:34.05`	`ToughShooter`	`Ping Saturos`
`12:34.28`	`CBG`	`Heh. A popular guy. ;)`
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`13:49.10`	`menowin`	`The party's over - i'm back`
`13:49.37`	`blast007`	`:)`
`13:49.41`	`RedBaron2`	`ugh..not grampa..`
`13:49.52`	`menotume`	`ha ha`
`13:50.01`	`menotume`	`zup ?`
`13:50.08`	`RedBaron2`	`you sure you don't have to stay away a lil bit longer?`
`13:50.20`	`RedBaron2`	`hehe`
`13:50.22`	`RedBaron2`	`nm`
`13:50.33`	`menotume`	`well, actually, yes`
`13:50.47`	`menotume`	`the main cop isn't set up, and i have a busy day`
`13:51.38`	`RedBaron2`	`oh, i see`
`13:55.15`	`Grumbler`	`the main cop?.........you paying off police to get onto the internet?...........`
`14:04.47`	`menotume`	`shhhh`
`14:05.11`	`menotume`	`i hate the lappy kb even worse than the main cop one`
`14:05.51`	`Tupone`	`hi meno-meno`
`14:06.05`	`menotume`	`tupy-tupy !!`
`14:11.04`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx: fix rico effect math, readability`
`14:11.23`	`menotume`	`i see trepan is busy, as usual`
`14:15.54`	`menotume`	`must go - hope to be back on real coputer tonight`
`14:15.56`	`menotume`	`byyye`
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`14:28.18`	`Pimpinella`	`yesterday team flags didn't spawn correctly at bases after cap`
`14:28.21`	`Pimpinella`	`at dub`
`14:28.28`	`Pimpinella`	`a superkill fixed this`
`14:28.38`	`Pimpinella`	`still strange though`
`14:28.59`	`Pimpinella`	`same was reported to happen on 59998 before`
`14:31.51`	`RedBaron2`	`ah, that's why you came in and superkilled y-day, and then just left :)`
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`14:32.53`	`Pimpinella`	`i explained it`
`14:33.20`	`Pimpinella`	`you didn't read your messenges ;)`
`14:33.22`	`RedBaron2`	`yea, i wasn't really paying attention though :p`
`14:33.25`	`RedBaron2`	`hehe`
`14:33.47`	`RedBaron2`	`i remember you saying something about there being a prob with the flags..`
`14:35.06`	`bryjen`	`hmm, i'm not seeing the shot-through-teleporter effect again...`
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`14:59.50`	`bryjen`	`ok, so that effect is only on the teleporter that shots are coming _out_ of? I thought somebody changed that ( DTRemenak ? )`
`15:03.59`	`Pimpinella`	`a question to you cracks...`
`15:04.26`	`Pimpinella`	`class Flag has a pointer to a FlagType`
`15:04.54`	`Pimpinella`	`no copy constructor or operator==`
`15:05.54`	`Pimpinella`	`if we ever assign a flag or pass it by value, wouldn't tis contain the risk of losing a flag?`
`15:07.15`	`Pimpinella`	`and crashing the server btw, when the original Flag instance tries do free the memory that has already been deleted by another destructor`
`15:08.04`	`Pimpinella`	`no, it would only delete the pointer`
`15:08.10`	`Pimpinella`	`hm`
`15:08.25`	`Chestal`	`I am not familair with the flag stuff`
`15:08.35`	`Chestal`	`but I assume that Flag does not own the FlagType object`
`15:08.39`	`Chestal`	`so there's no problem`
`15:09.38`	`Pimpinella`	`you're right, it only owns the pointer`
`15:09.55`	`Chestal`	`one FlagType object for each type of flag`
`15:10.02`	`Pimpinella`	`yep`
`15:10.06`	`Chestal`	`so the pointer in Flag object is merely a type tag`
`15:10.13`	`trepan`	`Pimpinella: got it yet? ;)`
`15:10.18`	`Pimpinella`	`yep`
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`15:29.24`	`wegstar`	`hmm.. is there a command to display all the plugins loaded?`
`15:30.24`	`trepan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:30.33`	`wegstar`	`ok`
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`15:33.42`	`RPG_`	`hi`
`15:33.54`	`RPG_`	`everone hides`
`15:34.10`	`wegstar`	`hello`
`15:34.16`	`RPG_`	`oh hi`
`15:35.00`	`TheRedBaron`	`~weather TLH`
`15:35.10`	`RPG_`	`~weather ORD`
`15:35.12`	`TheRedBaron`	`!weather TLH`
`15:35.14`	`TheLastSpartan`	`TheRedBaron: The current temperature in Tallahassee Regional, Florida (32310) is 81�F (10:53 AM EDT on August 04, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 73�F. Pressure: 30.08 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 4 out of 16`
`15:35.19`	`wegstar`	`~weather KSFO`
`15:35.22`	`RPG_`	`!weather ORD`
`15:35.33`	`TheRedBaron`	`Chestal: piong`
`15:35.39`	`RPG_`	`!weather 60137`
`15:35.42`	`TheLastSpartan`	`RPG_: The current temperature in Glen Ellyn, Illinois (60137) is 85�F (10:07 AM CDT on August 04, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 66�F. UV: 6 out of 16`
`15:38.52`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: If jitter seems good let's play hard (increase time window to 100 pkts)`
`15:39.06`	`RPG_`	`atupone?`
`15:40.29`	`Tupone`	`dunno ? who is ?`
`15:40.42`	`RPG_`	`BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: If jitter seems good let's play hard (increase time window to 100 pkts)`
`15:41.07`	`Tupone`	`:/`
`15:41.08`	`blast007`	`RPG_: we saw it too ;)`
`15:41.17`	`RPG_`	`sry`
`15:41.20`	`blast007`	`lol`
`15:41.38`	`RPG_`	`how does CIA-3 get formatted text?`
`15:41.57`	`brad2901`	`04:)`
`15:42.08`	`RPG_`	`how?`
`15:42.21`	`brad2901`	`magic`
`15:42.25`	`blast007`	`with the power of excalibur`
`15:42.32`	`brad2901`	`heh`
`15:42.34`	`TheRedBaron`	`Chestal: ping`
`15:44.38`	`Tupone`	`RPG_: why did you asked about me? did you want to know what the patch is about, or what?`
`15:44.52`	`RPG_`	`i noticed that "atupone" commited, not "tupone'`
`15:45.02`	`wegstar`	`...`
`15:45.14`	`Tupone`	`nick here is one things, user at SF is different`
`15:45.47`	`Tupone`	`atupone is my username at sourceforge`
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`15:52.39`	`RPG_`	`how do you convert a bzApiString to a std::string ?`
`15:54.56`	`wegstar`	`"Any text passed back from the API or events will come in the form of a "`
`15:55.01`	`wegstar`	`darn`
`15:55.05`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`15:55.11`	`wegstar`	`bzApiString. This is a class defined in the API that behaves much like a std::string.`
`15:55.12`	`wegstar`	`The c_str() method can be used to get the text out as a normal const char*.`
`15:55.14`	`wegstar`	`there we go ;)`
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`15:55.39`	`TheRedBaron`	`howdy SC`
`15:55.49`	`SportyGal`	`TheRedBaron: hiya`
`15:55.54`	`RPG_`	`hi`
`15:56.31`	`Pimpinella`	`std::string newstring = bzapistring.c_str`
`15:56.33`	`RedBaron2`	`hey SC`
`15:56.45`	`Pimpinella`	`()`
`15:57.24`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: ^nightmare^ has another annoying animated avatar. :(`
`15:58.14`	`blast007`	`heh, think it's from Doom`
`16:00.56`	`RPG_`	`how about this: when a team captures a flag, and it initiates the eCaptureEvent event, how can I lookup which team that just got caped?`
`16:01.17`	`wegstar`	`hmm`
`16:01.48`	`blast007`	`I'm assuming it passes that to you..`
`16:01.55`	`wegstar`	`int teamCaped`
`16:01.55`	`RPG_`	`nope`
`16:02.02`	`RPG_`	`maybe...`
`16:02.12`	`blast007`	`otherwise, what would the point of it be?`
`16:02.47`	`RPG_`	`it only passes bz__EventData *eventData`
`16:02.55`	`blast007`	`right`
`16:02.58`	`wegstar`	`yeah`
`16:03.03`	`RPG_`	`uh huh`
`16:03.12`	`RPG_`	`oh... eventdata is a class`
`16:03.17`	`RPG_`	`d'oh`
`16:03.31`	`wegstar`	`;)`
`16:03.40`	`RPG_`	`but it's only child is eventType`
`16:03.59`	`JeffM2501`	`yjy`
`16:04.05`	`JeffM2501`	`that's not that anoying`
`16:04.15`	`blast007`	`bz_CTFCaptureEventData`
`16:04.18`	`CBG`	`Well - thats a matter of opinion.`
`16:04.31`	`CBG`	`I find it just annyoying as that poo-coloured dog thing.`
`16:04.33`	`JeffM2501`	`wegstar, arn't docs wonderfull :)`
`16:04.41`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, so ask him to change it`
`16:04.42`	`wegstar`	`yeah :)`
`16:05.11`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, you cast it to the derived class based on the event type`
`16:05.15`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: I figured If I persuaded you it was as annoying as the others, you would do it. ;)`
`16:05.23`	`JeffM2501`	`it's so that you can use the same event callback with more then one event type`
`16:05.34`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, there are limits`
`16:05.52`	`CBG`	`And this one is within them?`
`16:05.58`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a single`
`16:05.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it's small`
`16:06.04`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's not THAT animated`
`16:06.08`	`CBG`	`Okay. :)`
`16:06.14`	`TheRedBaron`	`its ugly, thats about it.`
`16:06.17`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`16:06.21`	`JeffM2501`	`no acounting for taste`
`16:06.40`	`TheRedBaron`	`mine needs updating.`
`16:06.51`	`TheRedBaron`	`but i've other important things to do`
`16:07.02`	`CBG`	`Like: tell us it needs updating?`
`16:07.10`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`16:07.40`	`RPG_`	`bz_CTFCaptureEventData is a class, with no children`
`16:07.40`	`TheRedBaron`	`yup`
`16:07.51`	`JeffM2501`	`children?`
`16:07.58`	`JeffM2501`	`it is a derived class`
`16:08.10`	`RPG_`	`gogles`
`16:08.13`	`JeffM2501`	`from the base event data`
`16:08.15`	`blast007`	`RPG_: it has 6 variables`
`16:08.52`	`RPG_`	`it wasn't showing up in my function browser`
`16:09.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it is a class`
`16:10.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm going to finish making the docs HTML today`
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`16:11.20`	`blast007`	`RPG_: look at some of the other plugins, andit should show you how to cast the event data`
`16:11.24`	`blast007`	`and it*`
`16:11.26`	`RPG_`	`i got it`
`16:11.40`	`RPG_`	`it was in the claass browser`
`16:11.50`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`16:11.53`	`JeffM2501`	`you can think of them as structs`
`16:12.03`	`JeffM2501`	`they are only classes to make initing things easyer`
`16:12.48`	`foo-on-fire`	`in the wings3d > bzw exporter, there is a checkbox that says "Vue d'Esprit workaround"`
`16:12.52`	`foo-on-fire`	`what is that?`
`16:12.54`	`blast007`	`JeffM2501: removeEvent in WorldEventManager isn't working right`
`16:13.10`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, what is it doing?`
`16:13.23`	`blast007`	`it get's to the while loop, and never runs it`
`16:13.25`	`blast007`	`just skips over it`
`16:13.34`	`SportyGal`	`hi RPG_ & RedBaron2`
`16:13.37`	`blast007`	`so the events aren't being removed`
`16:13.44`	`RPG_`	`hi SportyGal`
`16:13.49`	`RPG_`	`~SportyGal++`
`16:14.27`	`blast007`	`bzfs crashes when I unload airspawn, playHistoryTracker, and shockwave death (those are the only ones I've tried to far)`
`16:14.42`	`JeffM2501`	`show me your add and remove code`
`16:14.58`	`JeffM2501`	`what do you have for the "team" paramater?`
`16:15.06`	`JeffM2501`	`SportyGal, it's in my tummy :(`
`16:15.07`	`Birdie`	`hi sportchick`
`16:15.09`	`JeffM2501`	`bad bad pizza`
`16:15.14`	`blast007`	`it's not just my plugin`
`16:15.15`	`JeffM2501`	`and it wants out`
`16:15.26`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, well I wouldn't put it past mine`
`16:15.30`	`blast007`	`I tried with the ones in b14`
`16:15.30`	`SportyGal`	`JeffM2501: awwww`
`16:15.30`	`JeffM2501`	`just show me the code`
`16:15.36`	`JeffM2501`	`all of them?`
`16:15.37`	`SportyGal`	`hi birdie`
`16:15.41`	`blast007`	`several`
`16:15.44`	`bryjen`	`tvEventList::iterator itr = eventTypeItr->second.begin();`
`16:15.46`	`bryjen`	`while (itr == eventTypeItr->second.end())`
`16:15.58`	`JeffM2501`	`sonofa`
`16:15.59`	`blast007`	`ah`
`16:15.59`	`bryjen`	`set it to begin and the test if it is end?`
`16:16.06`	`blast007`	`didn't even notice that`
`16:16.21`	`JeffM2501`	`~bryjen++`
`16:16.45`	`bryjen`	`a very short list where begin == end ;)`
`16:17.29`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldEventManager.cxx: == != !+`
`16:17.54`	`JeffM2501`	`blast just change it to a !=`
`16:17.58`	`blast007`	`yup`
`16:17.58`	`JeffM2501`	`and that will do it`
`16:18.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I probably never see the problem because I just let them expire, I don't unload :)`
`16:18.34`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`16:18.52`	`blast007`	`I had a tick event, so it crashed right after the unload ;)`
`16:19.05`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`16:19.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I've never used tick`
`16:19.16`	`JeffM2501`	`I made it for purple_cow`
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`16:20.02`	`JeffM2501`	`have you guys looked at the HTML docs?`
`16:20.20`	`wegstar`	`yeah..`
`16:20.36`	`JeffM2501`	`are they in a better format then the TXT?`
`16:20.45`	`JeffM2501`	`or would you all prefer the long ass txt?`
`16:21.23`	`wegstar`	`hmm`
`16:21.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I personaly like the HTML`
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`16:21.55`	`Tupone`	`pull!`
`16:22.01`	`wegstar`	`well.. they are better because of the links ;)`
`16:22.16`	`Birdie`	`oh oh`
`16:22.18`	`Birdie`	`hey tupone`
`16:22.58`	`Tupone`	`shot :)`
`16:23.06`	`JeffM2501`	`I think I have more layout options in HTML too`
`16:23.12`	`JeffM2501`	`I can flag stuff that is code difrently`
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`16:23.58`	`Tupone`	`Birdie: Have I hit you ?`
`16:24.14`	`wegstar`	`:(`
`16:24.21`	`bryjen`	`both barrels`
`16:27.21`	`blast007`	`what does that even do?`
`16:27.23`	`JeffM2501`	`is anyone going to ever want to monitor an event for just one team, and NOT be willing to filter in the callback based on the player data?`
`16:27.29`	`blast007`	`ah`
`16:27.35`	`JeffM2501`	`the idea was say you wanted to only be told about RED spawns`
`16:27.47`	`blast007`	`I'd say let the programmer filter it`
`16:27.48`	`JeffM2501`	`so you pass in the red team and then that callback is only called for red players`
`16:27.50`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`16:27.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it'll make the API cleaner`
`16:27.58`	`blast007`	`yup`
`16:27.59`	`JeffM2501`	`many events don't take a team`
`16:28.03`	`Tupone`	`bryjen, and people who build bzflag by him/her self and play with it. Please, I changed things related to jitter. I hope it will be better, but could be even worst. Please test`
`16:28.31`	`Tupone`	`client`
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`16:29.34`	`SportyGal`	`if anyone hears of someone giving away a cheap (or better yet, FREE!) relatively functional computer, would you PM me? My mother's computer died and she's out of work. Unfortunately, we can't afford to buy her one`
`16:29.46`	`JeffM2501`	`you all will need to make small changes to your plugins`
`16:29.51`	`JeffM2501`	`but I'll update all the samples`
`16:30.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`sportygal: functionality?`
`16:31.25`	`SportyGal`	`TheRedBaron: she uses it, I THINK, mainly for email, word processings, surfing the web. Maybe for paying/tracking bills and stuff like that too. Not sure. She is not a gamer`
`16:31.55`	`TheRedBaron`	`ok. I have a few old computer shells i don't use.`
`16:32.17`	`TheRedBaron`	`But i believe most of them are outdated (450mhz, running win98)`
`16:32.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`I'll have to check.`
`16:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, what would I have to do to convince you to give me a bzfs server on your machine?`
`16:32.53`	`SportyGal`	`TheRedBaron: ty`
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`16:37.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`Jeffm2501: thats a loaded question to ask burlycad`
`16:37.37`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, not really :)`
`16:38.02`	`JeffM2501`	`I can probably ask the same thing of DTRemenak`
`16:38.40`	`TheRedBaron`	`oh? you have some sort of leverage that keeps there demands at a medium?`
`16:38.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I just gave dtr a computer`
`16:38.59`	`JeffM2501`	`and brlcad is a cool guy :)`
`16:41.02`	`JeffM2501`	`SportyGal, I had just asked him if I could have a bzfs server on his system`
`16:41.06`	`JeffM2501`	`before the compliments :)`
`16:41.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`but there was no reply...`
`16:41.29`	`TheRedBaron`	`so now we have compliments?`
`16:41.36`	`TheRedBaron`	`do i sense desperation? :)`
`16:41.38`	`JeffM2501`	`he is at sigraph`
`16:41.43`	`JeffM2501`	`so I expect him to be in and out`
`16:42.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I've known him for a while now, so I know what to expect :)`
`16:42.37`	`SportyGal`	`JeffM2501: yes, but the complements seem to exceed the request! :)`
`16:42.50`	`JeffM2501`	`well he is a cool guy`
`16:43.02`	`JeffM2501`	`he's helped me with many things`
`16:43.11`	`JeffM2501`	`how is your ipod case going?`
`16:43.15`	`TheRedBaron`	`oh, so you owe him something!`
`16:43.31`	`JeffM2501`	`TheRedBaron, no, I don't realy owe him anything`
`16:44.59`	`TheRedBaron`	`hmm`
`16:46.25`	`JeffM2501`	`I think he's ofered to host stuff before`
`16:46.35`	`JeffM2501`	`he's backup list server even right now`
`16:46.48`	`TheRedBaron`	`ah, a man of many hats.`
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`16:47.14`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm thinking that if he has the space and bw, we move my.b.o to him to help offset the cost to nid.`
`16:47.55`	`TheRedBaron`	`ah`
`16:48.01`	`TheRedBaron`	`well cheerio, i've got to run`
`16:49.46`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (16 files in 9 dirs):`
`16:49.46`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: remove the "team" paramater for events, plugins can filter in the callback.`
`16:49.46`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: update standard plugins`
`16:49.46`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: bump API to V7`
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`16:56.03`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: remove comments that are not needed anymore`
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`17:45.59`	`foo-on-fire`	`somebody said bz would be faster if i would compile my curl against c-ares...`
`17:46.04`	`foo-on-fire`	`how am i supposed to do that?`
`17:46.14`	`foo-on-fire`	`compile it against c-ares`
`17:46.51`	`foo-on-fire`	`is this true?`
`17:48.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it can be`
`17:48.37`	`JeffM2501`	`depending on how your curl was build it may not be linked using cares for it's DNS`
`17:48.43`	`JeffM2501`	`and that means the DNS can be blocking`
`17:48.50`	`JeffM2501`	`cares will not be blocking`
`17:48.54`	`bryjen`	`not faster so much as smoother. c-ares lets it continue doing other things while its looking up DNS names`
`17:49.03`	`JeffM2501`	`so it won't wait while it does dns lookups`
`17:49.23`	`JeffM2501`	`but if you are expecting stuff like faster frame rates, and a general speedup, then no it won't do much for that`
`17:49.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not going to "make it 30% faster" or anything`
`17:49.48`	`JeffM2501`	`curl is only used in a couple places in bzflag`
`17:49.56`	`bryjen`	`i donno if that's a big issue in the client. helps the server keep up with relaying all the game traffic`
`17:50.11`	`JeffM2501`	`it will be more helpfull on a server yeah`
`17:50.16`	`JeffM2501`	`it has to do more dns lookups`
`17:50.24`	`JeffM2501`	`and prevents little "hitches" as people connect`
`17:50.39`	`foo-on-fire`	`hmm`
`17:51.06`	`foo-on-fire`	`well i guess i don't really need to put the effort into doing that`
`17:51.09`	`JeffM2501`	`on the client it's list server lookup and then joining a server. and doing URL lookups for textures`
`17:51.14`	`brad2901`	`I tried to compile bz with VC++ express 2005. Can anyone see what's wrong from the compile log: http://pastebin.com/329355 ?`
`17:51.16`	`JeffM2501`	`what are you trying to do?`
`17:51.28`	`JeffM2501`	`brad2901, I'd not try to build full bz with that`
`17:51.39`	`brad2901`	`oh.`
`17:51.41`	`brad2901`	`ok`
`17:51.44`	`blast007`	`ah..`
`17:51.50`	`brad2901`	`I really just wanted bzfs`
`17:51.56`	`blast007`	`not even with the platform SDK installed?`
`17:52.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't come with the lapt SDK`
`17:52.16`	`blast007`	`he installed that`
`17:52.17`	`JeffM2501`	`it's also wicked strict`
`17:52.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I have to change a lot of the code`
`17:52.29`	`blast007`	`ah`
`17:52.34`	`JeffM2501`	`or change project settings to make it work with 2k5`
`17:52.41`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm waiting till it's not beta`
`17:52.46`	`blast007`	`yeah, lots of 'deprecated' warnings ;)`
`17:52.50`	`JeffM2501`	`2k5 should only be used for plugins`
`17:52.58`	`JeffM2501`	`not the full app ( bzflag or bzfs )`
`17:53.12`	`brad2901`	`I was going to use it just for plugins`
`17:53.17`	`JeffM2501`	`then you don't need bzfs`
`17:53.18`	`brad2901`	`but the plugins won't load`
`17:53.23`	`JeffM2501`	`get the b14`
`17:53.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it has a lib and header all set up`
`17:53.43`	`JeffM2501`	`no need for you to build the game`
`17:53.49`	`brad2901`	`ok`
`17:54.11`	`brad2901`	`though I was planning on editing bzfs a little :)`
`17:54.12`	`JeffM2501`	`we are going to package the libs and headers in each binary version from now on`
`17:54.29`	`brad2901`	`okay`
`17:54.34`	`JeffM2501`	`brad2901, then feel free to change your project to remove those things, or fix them`
`17:54.52`	`JeffM2501`	`the main source line does not officaly support the 2k5 betas`
`17:54.54`	`brad2901`	`Jeffm2501: will do, thanks`
`17:55.33`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak: ping`
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`18:00.09`	`Tupone`	`I should ask all people to update to 2.0.2 at least. 2.0.0 give to much jitter to others. Wonder if that could be in the motd`
`18:00.32`	`JeffM2501`	`why not just push everyone to 2.0.4 ?`
`18:01.02`	`bryjen`	`before it is released?`
`18:01.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean when it's released :)`
`18:01.18`	`JeffM2501`	`and then have it be the reason TO release it :)`
`18:01.26`	`Tupone`	`Problem is that I made a change and before releasing is better to test it. With that some player (2.0.0) are a PITA`
`18:01.52`	`JeffM2501`	`MOTD to tell everyone to get B14 and test the hell outa it :)`
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`18:02.57`	`Tupone`	`should release the source too. already configured`
`18:03.06`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`18:03.32`	`Tupone`	`and tag the beta.`
`18:03.37`	`Tupone`	`but I'm out now :)`
`18:03.41`	`Tupone`	`cu all`
`18:04.00`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/ (events.html entrys.html general.html index.html types.html): start events chapter`
`18:04.37`	`JeffM2501`	`does this look ok for a good way to doc the event handaler types?`
`18:04.40`	`JeffM2501`	`http://www.bzflag.org/docs/api/events.html`
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`18:08.40`	`blast007`	`JeffM2501: looks good to me`
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`18:09.15`	`bryjen`	`perhaps a two-column table for the eventType list, so it doesn't run together so much`
`18:09.21`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:09.31`	`JeffM2501`	`it looked better in text :)`
`18:10.14`	`RPG_`	`???`
`18:10.14`	`RPG_`	`racetoseven.cpp(153) : error C2660: 'bz_registerEvent' : function does not take 3 arguments`
`18:10.24`	`RPG_`	`...but it does`
`18:10.30`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, no it dosn't`
`18:10.33`	`JeffM2501`	`not any more :)`
`18:10.36`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`18:10.42`	`JeffM2501`	`things change when you logoff`
`18:10.45`	`RPG_`	`hehe`
`18:10.46`	`JeffM2501`	`read the commit mesages`
`18:10.49`	`RPG_`	`i guess they do`
`18:10.49`	`JeffM2501`	`when you update`
`18:10.53`	`JeffM2501`	`no more team field`
`18:10.58`	`RPG_`	`ahhh`
`18:11.02`	`JeffM2501`	`the samples have been updated`
`18:11.42`	`RPG_`	`then how do you register an evetn for a certain team?`
`18:11.45`	`RPG_`	`such as a red tema joining?`
`18:11.55`	`RPG_`	`used to be : bz_registerEvent(bz_ePlayerJoinEvent,BZ_RED_TEAM,&rtsa);`
`18:11.55`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't`
`18:12.07`	`JeffM2501`	`events are for all users`
`18:12.15`	`JeffM2501`	`in the event callback you only do stuff for red players`
`18:12.23`	`JeffM2501`	`you still have the same power`
`18:12.27`	`JeffM2501`	`just difrent clener way`
`18:12.39`	`JeffM2501`	`the team didn't make sense for all events`
`18:12.43`	`JeffM2501`	`like making a world`
`18:12.43`	`RPG_`	`so was bz_registerGeneralEvent taken out?`
`18:12.46`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:12.58`	`JeffM2501`	`an event for a single team is the rare event`
`18:13.04`	`JeffM2501`	`so just moved that into the callback`
`18:13.05`	`RPG_`	`i was using 'em`
`18:13.10`	`RPG_`	`will do`
`18:13.13`	`JeffM2501`	`you are the ONLY one :)`
`18:13.23`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/ (entrys.html events.html general.html index.html types.html): spelling`
`18:13.38`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, I'd wait if I were you`
`18:13.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm still adding`
`18:14.11`	`RPG_`	`i have a strange linker error`
`18:14.25`	`RPG_`	`racetoseven.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "__declspec(dllimport) bool __cdecl bz_registerEvent(enum bz_eEventType,class bz_EventHandler )" (__imp_?bz_registerEvent@@YA_NW4bz_eEventType@@PAVbz_EventHandler@@@Z) referenced in function "int __cdecl bz_Load(char const )" (?bz_Load@@YAHPBD@Z)`
`18:14.25`	`RPG_`	`Debug/racetoseven.dll : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals`
`18:14.28`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy I'm going to the store, have at it bryjen :)`
`18:14.51`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, your lib file is wrong`
`18:14.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll make you a new one`
`18:14.58`	`RPG_`	`thx`
`18:15.03`	`RPG_`	`~JeffM2501+`
`18:15.10`	`RPG_`	`~JeffM2501++`
`18:15.13`	`RPG_`	`hate typos`
`18:16.27`	`JeffM2501`	`http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/bzfs.lib`
`18:16.37`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, when an inerface changes the lib changes too`
`18:16.48`	`RPG_`	`ok`
`18:16.58`	`JeffM2501`	`that's why we'll be packaging the libs with the bins`
`18:18.26`	`RPG_`	`hmmm`
`18:18.27`	`RPG_`	`same error`
`18:19.07`	`JeffM2501`	`make sure you are using the correct one`
`18:19.10`	`JeffM2501`	`and do a rebuild all`
`18:20.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I have to go out`
`18:20.16`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll be back in like 20 min`
`18:20.16`	`RPG_`	`i swapped out the lib file... they were the same filesize down to a tenth of a kilobyte, rebuild all, and still failed`
`18:20.18`	`RPG_`	`ok`
`18:20.20`	`RPG_`	`bb`
`18:20.27`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/events.html:`
`18:20.27`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: stubs for the events`
`18:20.27`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: event types into a table to make all purdy`
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`18:33.43`	`Grumbler`	`kravitz time`
`18:35.39`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: pong`
`18:36.22`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, or maybe he's not here anymore`
`18:37.30`	`Grumbler`	`...i want to get away, i want to fly away, yeah, yeah`
`18:38.01`	`Grumbler`	`he was here half and hour ago`
`18:38.24`	`Grumbler`	`maybe he is out getting some margaritta pizza and a good bottle of vino`
`18:39.03`	`Grumbler`	`sitting on the beach with a beautiful girl watching the sunset, feeling the sand between his feet`
`18:39.11`	`DTRemenak`	`dude snap out of it`
`18:39.16`	`DTRemenak`	`;)`
`18:39.20`	`Grumbler`	`heh`
`18:39.25`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: nothing`
`18:39.54`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501, you're welcome to a shell account and bzfs on dtremenak.bakadigital.com if you want one, and can deal with DragonFly ;)`
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`18:40.23`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, just realized that brlcad answered the question with about the same lag`
`18:40.29`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`18:41.32`	`Grumbler`	`brlcad how long will we have to wait till we hear the story of your late night antics`
`18:41.44`	`DTRemenak`	`oooh late night antics`
`18:42.07`	`RPG_`	`bz_resetPlayerScore(i); isn't functioning properly`
`18:42.20`	`RPG_`	`it doesn't reset the player's score :P`
`18:42.42`	`brlcad`	`Grumbler: heh`
`18:43.01`	`bryjen`	`holy crap. used mozilla to spell-check those htmls, and it must've adjusted spacing or something on every line. the diff is waay too big to just be the spelling fixes :(`
`18:43.02`	`brlcad`	`i need to lick my wounds`
`18:43.29`	`brlcad`	`bryjen: carriage returns?`
`18:43.46`	`brlcad`	`in the original`
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`18:44.25`	`bryjen`	`ah, there's a possibility. silly Winblows. i've seen mozilla/composer restructure white space before too tho`
`18:44.30`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: yeah, that was a pretty loaded question -- of course you can .. don't you already have an account?`
`18:45.15`	`Grumbler`	`brlcad, so long as it didnt involve handcuffs and a cell mate named bubba.`
`18:45.28`	`brlcad`	`fortunately it did not`
`18:46.34`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/ (entrys.html general.html index.html types.html): more spellcheckery`
`18:46.38`	`Grumbler`	`:)`
`18:47.34`	`bryjen`	`it was an "and", so possibly one or the other, but not both ;)`
`18:48.44`	`Grumbler`	`DTRemenak, i found photos...... http://www.drunk-monkey.com/`
`18:49.00`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`18:49.37`	`Grumbler`	`...nice site actually, the person can take some nice shots`
`18:49.48`	`Grumbler`	`~google++`
`18:50.22`	`RPG_`	`~karma google`
`18:50.22`	`ibot`	`google has karma of 3`
`18:50.26`	`RPG_`	`yes!`
`18:50.29`	`RPG_`	`~google++`
`18:50.33`	`RPG_`	`~seen google`
`18:50.36`	`ibot`	`google <~George@dialup-67.29.201.46.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 630d 21h 47m 35s ago, saying: '...'.`
`18:50.43`	`RPG_`	`lol`
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`18:54.10`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/events.html: more spellcheckery`
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`19:01.40`	`CBG`	`A-Delusion?`
`19:04.07`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/misc/pingtimes.sh: tweak list-server URL`
`19:04.10`	`RPG_`	`~seen CBG`
`19:04.11`	`ibot`	`cbg is currently on #silvercat (2m 49s) #bzflag (2m 49s) #kas (2m 49s) #bzleague (2m 49s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2m 31s`
`19:04.23`	`CBG`	`I joined 3 mins ago....`
`19:04.31`	`RPG_`	`2m 49s`
`19:04.37`	`CBG`	`Yeah. 3 mins. :)`
`19:04.48`	`CBG`	`A-D told me to.`
`19:04.58`	`A-Delusion`	`y don't you join us`
`19:05.06`	`CBG`	`Where?`
`19:05.18`	`RPG_`	`yea where?`
`19:05.24`	`A-Delusion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:05.30`	`RPG_`	`no`
`19:05.38`	`RPG_`	`come to #masterbot we can chat there`
`19:05.42`	`RPG_`	`its virtually empty`
`19:05.45`	`CBG`	`or #kas`
`19:05.46`	`A-Delusion`	`im still new to this too`
`19:05.50`	`CBG`	`which _IS_ empty.`
`19:05.58`	`CBG`	`A-Delusion, type /join #KAS`
`19:06.01`	`blast007`	`webchat can't`
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`19:06.05`	`hardwire`	`http://bogomip.com/~hardwire/Photo_010104_001.jpg`
`19:06.08`	`CBG`	`oh.`
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`19:06.14`	`hardwire`	`dual head bzflag`
`19:06.15`	`hardwire`	`kinda odd`
`19:06.21`	`CBG`	`blast007: so he cant join any other channel?`
`19:06.30`	`A-Delusion`	`nnot that one`
`19:06.55`	`bryjen`	`splitting the screen right through the aiming box isn't so good :/`
`19:07.33`	`CBG`	`You have so much screen space, but such a little radar! lol`
`19:08.26`	`blast007`	`the strayer.de IRC chat could go to other channels`
`19:09.12`	`A-Delusion`	`I cannot get the KAS channel`
`19:09.38`	`A-Delusion`	`n/join masterbot`
`19:09.43`	`A-Delusion`	`nduh`
`19:09.53`	`blast007`	`A-Delusion: use this one instead: http://www.strayer.de/bzflag_irc_chat.php?lang=eng&css=0`
`19:09.55`	`CBG`	`A-Delusion: you cant join any.`
`19:10.07`	`A-Delusion`	`click the link?`
`19:10.18`	`CBG`	`yes!`
`19:10.20`	`blast007`	`it's another web IRC client`
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`19:10.33`	`Guest329`	`It's A-D`
`19:10.45`	`CBG`	`try again but Join Channel #KAS`
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`19:23.06`	`RPG_`	`is jeff back?`
`19:23.21`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501, ping. :)`
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`19:25.58`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, pong`
`19:26.08`	`JeffM2501`	`ok so more then 20 min`
`19:26.14`	`CBG`	`come to #KAS please jeffM2501`
`19:26.18`	`JeffM2501`	`why?`
`19:26.38`	`CBG`	`RPG needs your help.`
`19:26.43`	`CBG`	`and A-Delusion too,`
`19:26.56`	`RPG_`	`it still won't compile with the new lib`
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`19:27.41`	`Gnurdux`	`servers back up; comp rebooted`
`19:27.44`	`*** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`19:28.00`	`bryjen`	`what the, indeed`
`19:28.04`	`Grumbler`	`ok, thanks for the info?`
`19:28.09`	`blast007`	`lol`
`19:29.28`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, I don't remember :)`
`19:29.48`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, wanted a place with decent bandwith I could run a test server at`
`19:37.25`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, dosn't look like I have an account`
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`19:42.56`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, does the enumeration list look better as a table now?`
`19:46.05`	`bryjen`	`yeah`
`19:47.24`	`bryjen`	`in the general file, what's "termius" supposed to be?`
`19:49.28`	`JeffM2501`	`end`
`19:49.46`	`JeffM2501`	`butt part`
`19:49.51`	`JeffM2501`	`doneness`
`19:53.06`	`Tupone`	`:)`
`19:53.10`	`JeffM2501`	`mmmmmm butt parts`
`19:53.21`	`JeffM2501`	`hey I never said I was good at writing`
`19:53.31`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm just the only person with the freaking info right now :)`
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`20:12.54`	`wegstar_`	`is there something wrong with this?: message.substr(3)=="~hi" where message is a std::string`
`20:13.11`	`JeffM2501`	`substr?`
`20:13.20`	`wegstar_`	`uh.. yeah`
`20:13.23`	`JeffM2501`	`never used substr`
`20:16.16`	`wegstar`	`c:\program files\microsoft visual studio 8\vc\include\utility(60) : see declaration of 'std::operator =='`
`20:16.17`	`wegstar`	`c:\documents and settings\wegstar\desktop\bzflag\plugins\bzfsbot\bzfsbot.cpp(55) : error C2676: binary '==' : 'std::basic_string<_Elem,_Traits,_Ax>' does not define this operator or a conversion to a type acceptable to the predefined operator`
`20:16.40`	`wegstar`	`that's the error it gives me...`
`20:16.57`	`JeffM2501`	`what does substr return?`
`20:17.06`	`RPG_`	`it returns part ofa string`
`20:17.11`	`JeffM2501`	`no what TYPE`
`20:17.15`	`wegstar`	`just like the one in php`
`20:17.21`	`wegstar`	`std::string.. I suppose`
`20:17.27`	`JeffM2501`	`don't supose`
`20:17.28`	`wegstar`	`yeah`
`20:17.28`	`JeffM2501`	`know`
`20:17.34`	`wegstar`	`it does`
`20:17.36`	`JeffM2501`	`because that is what the error is`
`20:17.43`	`wegstar`	`o`
`20:18.08`	`JeffM2501`	`there is no == operator for what you are trying to do`
`20:18.21`	`JeffM2501`	`do == std::string("-hi")`
`20:18.48`	`wegstar`	`ok`
`20:18.49`	`JeffM2501`	`and you know that's a case sensitive compare right?`
`20:19.31`	`wegstar`	`yes`
`20:19.55`	`wegstar`	`c:\documents and settings\wegstar\desktop\bzflag\plugins\bzfsbot\bzfsbot.cpp(55) : error C2440: '<function-style-cast>' : cannot convert from 'char' to 'std::basic_string<_Elem,_Traits,_Ax>'`
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`20:20.14`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm wierd`
`20:20.19`	`JeffM2501`	`it's like you don't have STL`
`20:20.26`	`JeffM2501`	`are you including <string> ?`
`20:20.42`	`wegstar`	`yep`
`20:21.08`	`JeffM2501`	`because that should not cast`
`20:21.15`	`JeffM2501`	`it should make an unnamed temp`
`20:21.25`	`JeffM2501`	`well make a couple temp vars as a test`
`20:21.32`	`JeffM2501`	`and asign your strings to them`
`20:21.35`	`JeffM2501`	`then compare them`
`20:21.48`	`wegstar`	`ok`
`20:23.59`	`wegstar`	`nope.. same error`
`20:24.36`	`Grumbler`	`pull!`
`20:24.39`	`JeffM2501`	`pastebin your code`
`20:25.08`	`wegstar`	`ok`
`20:26.19`	`wegstar`	`http://pastebin.ca/19325`
`20:26.48`	`JeffM2501`	`what line is the error on?`
`20:27.15`	`JeffM2501`	`ohhhhh`
`20:27.16`	`JeffM2501`	`dude`
`20:27.19`	`JeffM2501`	`NOT PHP`
`20:27.26`	`JeffM2501`	`" !- '`
`20:27.31`	`JeffM2501`	`use " for strings`
`20:27.34`	`JeffM2501`	`' for chars`
`20:27.57`	`wegstar`	`crap`
`20:29.01`	`wegstar`	`it works now, thanks jeffm2501 ;)`
`20:29.15`	`JeffM2501`	`sure :)`
`20:29.22`	`JeffM2501`	`languages are fun arn't they? :)`
`20:29.28`	`RPG_`	`100%`
`20:29.35`	`JeffM2501`	`you can go back to your origonal code then`
`20:29.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and just use "" insted of ' '`
`20:30.32`	`JeffM2501`	`god this could be evil`
`20:30.53`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/ (entrys.html events.html general.html index.html types.html): set page titles, dehyphenate, minor touch-ups`
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`20:50.01`	`bryjen`	`no, you are "teh man`
`20:50.58`	`Tupone`	`one again`
`20:51.17`	`bryjen`	`i'm just the janitor`
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`20:57.25`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: ping`
`20:59.39`	`JeffM2501`	`pong`
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`21:08.37`	`JeffM2501`	`or if you didn't see, brlcad . pong`
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`21:15.31`	`brlcad`	`~nslookup beta.bzflag.bz`
`21:16.03`	`Tupone`	`hey brlcad`
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`21:16.24`	`ibunny`	`HA!`
`21:16.27`	`purple_cow`	`brlcad: sup?`
`21:16.51`	`RPG_`	`~lick brlcad`
`21:16.51`	`ibot`	`ACTION licks brlcad SHLUUURRRRPPP`
`21:17.05`	`Tupone`	`hola ibunny`
`21:17.11`	`RPG_`	`greetings`
`21:17.20`	`ibunny`	`hola tupito`
`21:18.44`	`ibunny`	`nononon`
`21:18.54`	`ibunny`	`licks are only for sean sean`
`21:19.09`	`Tupone`	`I cannot, You know`
`21:19.11`	`ibunny`	`tupitos get spanks :D`
`21:19.20`	`RPG_`	`~lart ibunny`
`21:19.42`	`Tupone`	`I dont want either`
`21:19.56`	`SportyGal`	`~Tupone++`
`21:20.02`	`jpa-`	`Tupone: you don't want to be licked by yourself?`
`21:20.07`	`*** part/#bzflag RPG_ (~G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`21:20.07`	`jpa-`	`who forces you to? :)`
`21:20.17`	`ibunny`	`hi SportyGal`
`21:20.25`	`SportyGal`	`hi ibunny`
`21:20.33`	`DTRemenak`	`~SportyGal++`
`21:20.41`	`Tupone`	`hi SportyGal, what the ++ is for ? just being ?`
`21:20.54`	`DTRemenak`	`~bzfrag jpa-`
`21:20.54`	`ibot`	`ACTION squishes jpa- with a steamroller`
`21:21.28`	`Tupone`	`~SportChick++`
`21:23.29`	`brad2901`	`eew`
`21:23.33`	`creeperz`	`....`
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`21:27.27`	`creeperz`	`lol`
`21:27.52`	`brlcad`	`hola tupone`
`21:28.04`	`Tupone`	`:) still at Sig-graph ?`
`21:28.23`	`Tupone`	`ty`
`21:28.26`	`brlcad`	`still :)`
`21:28.30`	`brlcad`	`it's great`
`21:28.36`	`brlcad`	`purple_cow: in the raytracinng papers now`
`21:29.21`	`SportyGal`	`Tupone: cuz you're a cool guy`
`21:29.29`	`Tupone`	`aww`
`21:29.45`	`jpa-`	`SportyGal: where is my ++ then? :)`
`21:30.56`	`SportyGal`	`hiya brlcad`
`21:31.15`	`SportyGal`	`~jpa---`
`21:32.00`	`jpa-`	`:/`
`21:32.42`	`brad2901`	`~karma jpa-`
`21:32.42`	`ibot`	`jpa- has karma of 1`
`21:32.45`	`brlcad`	`howdy SportyGal`
`21:32.48`	`brad2901`	`~jpa---`
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`21:44.02`	`S1gn`	`~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5679`
`21:47.54`	`retro`	`hey SportyGal`
`21:54.19`	`SportyGal`	`hi retro, brlcad & all`
`21:57.21`	`brad2901`	`I can only compile 3 of the plugins with VC express -- http://pastebin.com/329543`
`22:00.27`	`JeffM2501`	`ahhh 2k5 changed the vsprintf`
`22:00.29`	`JeffM2501`	`interesting`
`22:01.22`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I don't see any errors`
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`22:01.49`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder wy they were skipped`
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`22:09.17`	`JeffM2501`	`got a sec?`
`22:09.29`	`DTRemenak`	`sure`
`22:09.46`	`JeffM2501`	`do the make files for the plugins look valid?`
`22:09.54`	`DTRemenak`	`dunno`
`22:09.58`	`DTRemenak`	`want me to build them?`
`22:10.05`	`JeffM2501`	`getting this error when I make one`
`22:10.18`	`JeffM2501`	`jeffm@bz:~/bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeath$ make shockwaveDeath.so`
`22:10.18`	`JeffM2501`	`c++ -fPIC -frtti -I../../include -O -shared -rdynamic -o shockwaveDeath.so`
`22:10.18`	`JeffM2501`	`c++: No input files specified`
`22:10.18`	`JeffM2501`	`*** Error code 1`
`22:10.18`	`JeffM2501`	`Stop in /usr/home/jeffm/bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeath.`
`22:10.19`	`JeffM2501`	`jeffm@bz:~/bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeath$`
`22:12.48`	`brlcad`	`heh, who wrong the makefile? :)`
`22:12.52`	`brlcad`	`er, wrote`
`22:12.55`	`JeffM2501`	`ummm`
`22:12.56`	`JeffM2501`	`me`
`22:12.59`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`22:13.10`	`bryjen`	`it Works for Me(tm)`
`22:13.13`	`JeffM2501`	`no clue what I was doing`
`22:13.26`	`brlcad`	`"$^" is not portable`
`22:14.01`	`JeffM2501`	`what shuld it be?`
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`22:15.51`	`Gnurdux`	`how would one use physics to make the floor bouncy?`
`22:16.14`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501, works for me on both slack and dragonfly`
`22:17.11`	`brlcad`	`i don't recall what the symbol is for makefile deps`
`22:17.35`	`JeffM2501`	`dosn't work on bzflag.bz`
`22:17.58`	`brlcad`	`yep, different make`
`22:18.09`	`brlcad`	`bsd make not gnu make`
`22:18.50`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad, bzflag itself does not work with bsd make anyway, iirc`
`22:18.58`	`DTRemenak`	`something in man`
`22:19.19`	`brlcad`	`it used to, albeit probably only briefly`
`22:19.25`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: try gnumake`
`22:19.26`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:19.36`	`brlcad`	`er, gmake`
`22:19.46`	`brlcad`	`if you want the fast answer`
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`22:20.53`	`JeffM2501`	`well that worked :)`
`22:21.53`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe somone of a more linuxy nature should see about making the Makefiles better`
`22:25.18`	`*** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`22:27.07`	`*** part/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.151)`
`22:33.48`	`JeffM2501`	`well if it's not going to be a common problem then hey, no biggie`
`22:33.58`	`JeffM2501`	`should it just be mentioned in the docs then?`
`22:37.17`	`Grumbler`	`good place for it`
`22:38.06`	`Grumbler`	`since i just spent the last 10 minutes getting all the dev libs i needed from debian.......not bad really, should probably list them somewhere for the next sucker`
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`22:43.29`	`Gnurdux`	`would it be to make a pysysics driver with a random teloprt`
`22:43.35`	`Gnurdux`	`so like if you hit the ground`
`22:43.42`	`Gnurdux`	`you would be teloprted to a random location`
`22:46.00`	`CBG`	`No. not a physics driver.`
`22:46.02`	`Gnurdux`	`...`
`22:46.09`	`Gnurdux`	`any other way of doing it?`
`22:46.17`	`CBG`	`We need a horizontal Teleporter.`
`22:46.17`	`JeffM2501`	`not really`
`22:46.31`	`CBG`	`Jeff: did you implement that yet?`
`22:46.37`	`JeffM2501`	`umm no`
`22:46.40`	`JeffM2501`	`why would I?`
`22:46.48`	`CBG`	`not you personally... :S`
`22:46.56`	`Gnurdux`	`whats a horizontal teleporter`
`22:47.04`	`CBG`	`Grumbler... hmm?`
`22:47.10`	`JeffM2501`	`a TP that is lying down`
`22:47.18`	`Gnurdux`	`oh yes`
`22:47.21`	`Gnurdux`	`we need that`
`22:47.29`	`Gnurdux`	`here is what i want`
`22:47.33`	`Gnurdux`	`when you fall opn the floor`
`22:47.39`	`Gnurdux`	`you are randomly teleported`
`22:47.40`	`CBG`	`*on`
`22:47.51`	`Grumbler`	`sounds interesting, patches welcome`
`22:47.52`	`JeffM2501`	`you can't do that now`
`22:47.54`	`Gnurdux`	`could one do that with a server module? or somehting?`
`22:48.00`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`22:48.04`	`Gnurdux`	`why?`
`22:48.11`	`CBG`	`~bzw`
`22:48.11`	`ibot`	`it has been said that bzw is http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s`
`22:48.14`	`JeffM2501`	`there is no message that just tells a client to "teleport here"`
`22:48.18`	`Gnurdux`	`the server cant tell tell the client where it is`
`22:48.20`	`Gnurdux`	`oh...`
`22:48.22`	`JeffM2501`	`no i can't`
`22:48.34`	`Gnurdux`	`thatsux`
`22:48.42`	`JeffM2501`	`the server dosn't do that level of detail`
`22:48.46`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just what it is`
`22:48.54`	`Gnurdux`	`so then what we want is impossible...`
`22:48.55`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag was made as a lan game, it didn't need a full server side state`
`22:48.59`	`Gnurdux`	`a teleporting floor`
`22:49.05`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, that is why I told you you could not do it now :)`
`22:49.14`	`Gnurdux`	`that syx`
`22:49.16`	`Gnurdux`	`sux`
`22:49.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it is what it is`
`22:49.36`	`Gnurdux`	`and what it is sux :)`
`22:49.36`	`JeffM2501`	`code up a fix for it`
`22:49.45`	`JeffM2501`	`you have the source`
`22:49.46`	`Gnurdux`	`iwould need to modify client too correct?`
`22:49.51`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`22:49.59`	`Gnurdux`	`which would be sucky`
`22:50.04`	`JeffM2501`	`It could be a feature in 2.2`
`22:50.13`	`JeffM2501`	`no it would be a new feature, not sucky`
`22:50.15`	`Gnurdux`	`you eman 2.1?`
`22:50.23`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`22:50.26`	`CBG`	`bzwman says: teleporter: "horizontal" # NOT IMPLEMENTED`
`22:50.27`	`JeffM2501`	`2.1 will never be a public release`
`22:50.32`	`Gnurdux`	`oh`
`22:50.35`	`JeffM2501`	`2.1 will be beta for 2.2`
`22:50.39`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`22:50.39`	`JeffM2501`	`evens are release`
`22:50.43`	`JeffM2501`	`odds are devs`
`22:50.45`	`Gnurdux`	`like linux`
`22:50.52`	`JeffM2501`	`hence why we work on 2.0.3 for 2.0.4`
`22:50.56`	`Gnurdux`	`and gnome`
`22:50.56`	`JeffM2501`	`like linux`
`22:51.01`	`JeffM2501`	`and a lot of the world`
`22:51.10`	`Gnurdux`	`how hard would it be to code?`
`22:51.22`	`JeffM2501`	`how good are you?`
`22:51.27`	`CBG`	`for who?`
`22:51.32`	`CBG`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:51.35`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`22:51.38`	`Gnurdux`	`well im newby`
`22:51.46`	`JeffM2501`	`how much C++ do you know?`
`22:51.48`	`Gnurdux`	`i know c++`
`22:51.56`	`Gnurdux`	`quite a bit for a 13 year old...`
`22:52.03`	`JeffM2501`	`it's hard to judge other people's abilitys`
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`22:52.13`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`22:52.14`	`JeffM2501`	`for me, I'd replace the entire TP system with something more arbitrary`
`22:52.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it'd take a couple days for me probably`
`22:52.28`	`Gnurdux`	`which would take something called time`
`22:52.31`	`Gnurdux`	`yup`
`22:53.03`	`brlcad`	`mm.. arbitrary -- like a mips simulator -- that'd be pretty arbitrary`
`22:53.30`	`Gnurdux`	`does the client dl the map?`
`22:53.37`	`CBG`	`lol brlcad`
`22:53.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I was thinking ARM`
`22:53.51`	`CBG`	`what kind of thing were you thinking off, JeffM2501?`
`22:53.59`	`CBG`	`Wow, fast reply. :)`
`22:54.09`	`CBG`	`~dict ARM`
`22:54.10`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, you define a TP event shape`
`22:54.11`	`Gnurdux`	`does the client download the map?`
`22:54.19`	`CBG`	`it can gnurdux.`
`22:54.20`	`Gnurdux`	`in bz?`
`22:54.23`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, in binary form`
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`22:54.26`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`22:54.37`	`JeffM2501`	`you can have it try to get the txt version if you tell it to`
`22:54.57`	`JeffM2501`	`but the client dosn't have a text based map parser`
`22:55.01`	`Gnurdux`	`im thinking of maybe making randteleport an option of a material`
`22:55.21`	`JeffM2501`	`it would be best on a pydriv`
`22:55.24`	`JeffM2501`	`not a material`
`22:55.28`	`JeffM2501`	`it has nothing to do with how it looks`
`22:55.35`	`JeffM2501`	`if you are going to cheap it like that`
`22:56.44`	`Gnurdux`	`yeh true`
`22:56.50`	`Gnurdux`	`so a phydrv`
`22:56.54`	`CBG`	`cheap = cheat?`
`22:56.59`	`Gnurdux`	`which is what i was asking in the beginning`
`22:57.04`	`Gnurdux`	`i would like to do that`
`22:57.10`	`Gnurdux`	`that wouldnt be too hard would it?`
`22:57.26`	`blast007`	`define 'hard'`
`22:57.39`	`Gnurdux`	`like could be done in a couple hundred lines or less`
`22:57.49`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, we didn't say it wasn't posible`
`22:57.50`	`CBG`	`how long are "lines"?`
`22:57.52`	`JeffM2501`	`we just said it wasn' in`
`22:58.00`	`Gnurdux`	`yeh`
`22:58.11`	`JeffM2501`	`it would be a couple lines of code probably`
`22:58.11`	`Gnurdux`	`lemme wipe out my cheat client`
`22:58.17`	`blast007`	`we can't predict how hard it will be, cuz we don't know your skill level or how you would do it`
`22:58.17`	`Gnurdux`	`i can makebetter mods!`
`22:58.20`	`JeffM2501`	`but it can't go in to 2.0.x`
`22:58.25`	`Gnurdux`	`who cares`
`22:58.29`	`JeffM2501`	`what?`
`22:58.30`	`Gnurdux`	`i could make a patch right?`
`22:58.33`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`22:58.46`	`JeffM2501`	`but it would be pointless unless everyone had it`
`22:58.48`	`Gnurdux`	`i was saying i can make more usefuul mods htan an immortal client`
`22:58.55`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`22:59.02`	`Gnurdux`	`well i can put in my server message to dl the patch`
`22:59.05`	`JeffM2501`	`cheating is prety dmaned lame`
`22:59.12`	`Gnurdux`	`its fin tho`
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`22:59.20`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, not many people can build`
`22:59.20`	`Gnurdux`	`as long as you dont do it where its not allowed`
`22:59.29`	`Gnurdux`	`and get banned`
`22:59.32`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, no it's prety damned lame everywhere`
`22:59.36`	`Gnurdux`	`i just go on my server`
`22:59.39`	`Gnurdux`	`with immortality`
`22:59.41`	`Gnurdux`	`and tsnad`
`22:59.45`	`Gnurdux`	`and let people shoot me`
`22:59.47`	`JeffM2501`	`and that is prety damned lame :)`
`22:59.50`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: you can't really stop him making a cheat client.`
`22:59.52`	`Gnurdux`	`and then go away and do somehting else`
`22:59.56`	`blast007`	`god mode is even lame in the cheating community :P`
`22:59.56`	`JeffM2501`	`no I can't`
`22:59.57`	`Gnurdux`	`he knows`
`22:59.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I can call him lame`
`23:00.03`	`Gnurdux`	`whats god mode?`
`23:00.06`	`JeffM2501`	`what you did`
`23:00.08`	`Gnurdux`	`well im gonna wipe it`
`23:00.10`	`Gnurdux`	`oh`
`23:00.10`	`JeffM2501`	`can't die`
`23:00.13`	`JeffM2501`	`whatever`
`23:00.16`	`Gnurdux`	`its not quite immortal`
`23:00.16`	`CBG`	`You can, but that in itself is lame`
`23:00.21`	`Gnurdux`	`its a really lame hack`
`23:00.22`	`CBG`	`no, you dont die at all with god mode - i thought`
`23:00.30`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't mater`
`23:00.32`	`Gnurdux`	`basically`
`23:00.34`	`JeffM2501`	`god mode is just a term`
`23:00.38`	`JeffM2501`	`not a specific thing`
`23:00.42`	`Gnurdux`	`it has 3 lines`
`23:00.47`	`Gnurdux`	`in tankExplode:`
`23:00.52`	`Gnurdux`	`server->sendAlive();`
`23:00.53`	`JeffM2501`	`the problem you are going to have is that people won't be able to build your patch`
`23:00.55`	`Gnurdux`	`return;`
`23:00.58`	`JeffM2501`	`not going to be very popular`
`23:01.03`	`Gnurdux`	`who cares?\`
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`23:01.12`	`Gnurdux`	`it might make it to 2.2`
`23:01.14`	`JeffM2501`	`well mostly the other people`
`23:01.17`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe`
`23:01.18`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe not`
`23:01.19`	`Gnurdux`	`CBG, ya know cxx?`
`23:01.27`	`Gnurdux`	`lets talk in #silvercat`
`23:01.28`	`*** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`23:01.45`	`CBG`	`Excuse him, he's young.... :/`
`23:02.06`	`JeffM2501`	`duh`
`23:02.29`	`JeffM2501`	`now to find out why this server won't run`
`23:07.56`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm how can I see if any bzfs instances are running in my user?`
`23:10.47`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm is port 0292 used for anything?`
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`23:28.16`	`JeffM2501`	`well beta server is running, maybe not on the port brlcad wanted me to run on, but it's going`
`23:28.20`	`JeffM2501`	`with 4 plugins :)`
`23:28.53`	`JeffM2501`	`including airspawn :)`
`23:29.37`	`wegstar`	`hmm`
`23:29.50`	`wegstar`	`eChatMessageEvent does not seem to be working :(`
`23:30.05`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not being called?`
`23:30.11`	`wegstar`	`apparently not`
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`23:30.17`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm wierd`
`23:31.06`	`Gnurdux`	`where in the sourcetree is the map parser, the binary parser of maps for the client, the physics driver, etc for my change?`
`23:31.25`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, it's not a parser`
`23:31.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it sends over raw data`
`23:31.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just shoved into the structures`
`23:31.37`	`Gnurdux`	`yeswhatever`
`23:31.39`	`Gnurdux`	`i know`
`23:31.44`	`Gnurdux`	`but themapaprser`
`23:31.47`	`Gnurdux`	`for the server`
`23:32.01`	`JeffM2501`	`look at the world files`
`23:32.07`	`JeffM2501`	`custom world`
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`23:32.30`	`Gnurdux`	`CustomWorld.* in bzfs/?`
`23:32.30`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`23:32.33`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`23:32.51`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm play history tracker is busted too`
`23:33.10`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`23:33.27`	`Gnurdux`	`custom world is tiny`
`23:33.36`	`Gnurdux`	`and there is no parser in it`
`23:33.38`	`JeffM2501`	`that's just the primary hook`
`23:33.45`	`JeffM2501`	`every object has it's own file`
`23:33.49`	`JeffM2501`	`they all start with custom`
`23:34.24`	`JeffM2501`	`what is an easy way to make a group the same as admin?`
`23:34.31`	`JeffM2501`	`can I just do *ADMIN?`
`23:34.32`	`Gnurdux`	`customphysicsdriver i think is what i want :)`
`23:34.38`	`JeffM2501`	`ya think?`
`23:34.43`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`23:34.49`	`JeffM2501`	`amazing`
`23:35.03`	`Gnurdux`	`is there one in bzflag/ too?`
`23:35.08`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`23:35.35`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`23:35.46`	`Gnurdux`	`ill have to find pysics driver support in there then`
`23:35.52`	`JeffM2501`	`ya think`
`23:36.14`	`Gnurdux`	`wait`
`23:36.26`	`Gnurdux`	`i also need PyhsicsDriver.*`
`23:36.44`	`Gnurdux`	`or ...`
`23:36.45`	`blast007`	`...`
`23:36.49`	`Gnurdux`	`#include "PhysicsDriver.h"`
`23:36.54`	`Gnurdux`	`it says that`
`23:36.59`	`Gnurdux`	`but i cant find it`
`23:37.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I thought you knew C++?`
`23:37.08`	`Gnurdux`	`yes`
`23:37.10`	`blast007`	`probably in /include/`
`23:37.13`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`23:37.19`	`Gnurdux`	`im newbishlike i said`
`23:37.21`	`JeffM2501`	`then how come you can't track down simple files`
`23:37.38`	`wegstar`	`oh oops.. forgot to register the event ;)`
`23:37.38`	`Gnurdux`	`umm given that i havent actually ever worked on real software?`
`23:37.45`	`blast007`	`wegstar: hehe`
`23:37.49`	`blast007`	`;)`
`23:37.49`	`Gnurdux`	`and am 13 years old?`
`23:37.57`	`JeffM2501`	`then don't say you know C++ :)`
`23:38.04`	`wegstar`	`he does know :)`
`23:38.12`	`Gnurdux`	`yes i do`
`23:38.19`	`Gnurdux`	`wegstar, why dont you tell em abotu aloe?`
`23:38.24`	`Gnurdux`	`and what it cando by now`
`23:38.29`	`wegstar`	`oh.. he's writing a scripting language`
`23:38.38`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm the admin bit is only set when you use /password`
`23:38.39`	`JeffM2501`	`interesting`
`23:38.55`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`23:39.36`	`Gnurdux`	`it has if,else, elseif,while,do while, function call but not functions yet except built in ones`
`23:39.45`	`Gnurdux`	`and a bunch of operators`
`23:40.04`	`Gnurdux`	`wherewould PhysicsDriver.cpp`
`23:40.09`	`Gnurdux`	`be`
`23:40.14`	`Gnurdux`	`or cxx`
`23:40.50`	`Gnurdux`	`found it`
`23:40.57`	`Gnurdux`	`seems to be in gam`
`23:42.21`	`Gnurdux`	`game`
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`23:46.58`	`blast007`	`for a second, I lost track of who was who ;)`
`23:47.18`	`CBG`	`:)`
`23:48.40`	`blast007`	`lol`
`23:48.46`	`blastOO7`	`;)`
`23:48.59`	`blastOO7`	`hahaha`
`23:49.02`	`blastOO7`	`;)`
`23:49.02`	`blast007`	`hehe, was waiting for that`
`23:49.16`	`blastOO7`	`rofl`
`23:49.16`	`wegstar`	`:D`
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`23:51.42`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, can I do a material with more then one texture?`
`23:51.56`	`JeffM2501`	`and have the lower modulate the upper?`
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`23:57.02`	`Gnurdux`	`i cant find the implementation of the funcs like getIsDeath in PhysicsDriver`
`23:57.11`	`Gnurdux`	`there not in Physicsdriver.cxx`
`23:57.19`	`Gnurdux`	`but they are in physics driver.h`
`23:57.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`23:57.30`	`Gnurdux`	`i even did a grep -R for htem in the whole src tree`
`23:57.30`	`JeffM2501`	`they don't have to be in the same cxx`
`23:57.36`	`JeffM2501`	`doubt it`
`23:57.36`	`Gnurdux`	`i know`
`23:57.48`	`Gnurdux`	`gnurdux@Mikey:~/bzflag-src/bzflag-2.0.2.20050318$ grep -R getIsDeath *`
`23:57.49`	`JeffM2501`	`if you did search the tree then you would have found it`
`23:57.58`	`Gnurdux`	`that is correct isnt it`
`23:58.14`	`Gnurdux`	`include/PhysicsDriver.h: const bool getIsDeath() const;`
`23:58.14`	`Gnurdux`	`include/PhysicsDriver.h:inline const bool PhysicsDriver::getIsDeath() const`
`23:58.14`	`Gnurdux`	`src/bzfs/DropGeometry.cxx: if ((phydrv != NULL) && (phydrv->getIsDeath())) {`
`23:58.14`	`Gnurdux`	`src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: if (!phydrv->getIsDeath()) {`
`23:58.14`	`Gnurdux`	`src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: if ((phydrv != NULL) && phydrv->getIsDeath()) {src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: if ((phydrv != NULL) && (phydrv->getIsDeath())) {`
`23:58.16`	`Gnurdux`	`src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: if ((phydrv != NULL) && phydrv->getIsDeath()) {`
`23:58.22`	`Gnurdux`	`the sets are in the cxx filetho`
`23:58.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not in a CXX file`
`23:58.37`	`JeffM2501`	`it's in an H`
`23:58.38`	`Gnurdux`	`oh?`
`23:58.39`	`JeffM2501`	`INLINE`
`23:58.51`	`Gnurdux`	`oho!`
`23:58.53`	`Gnurdux`	`thnx`
`23:58.57`	`*** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (~gnurdux@69.251.224.96)`
`23:59.53`	`wizart`	`Hi, question: Why would this happen after you quit bzfla: IN= OUT=ppp0 SRC=84.58.143.37 DST=69.28.129.167 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=65095 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=39645 DPT=80 WINDOW=9372 RES=0x00 ACK PSH FIN URGP=0`

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