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14:33.50Grumblerah, ha
14:33.53Grumblerpull!
14:34.04Birdielol there he is again..
14:34.32Grumblerhows the beer flowing there Birdie
14:34.45Birdieimagine...no beer anymore in the house
14:34.55Birdieonly empty bottles:(
14:35.17Grumblerran out of money?
14:35.29Birdieno ran out of beer:)
14:35.34Grumblerheh
14:35.44Birdieparents will buy again tomorrow, no time today
14:36.03Grumblernice to have the folks kick in for the beer budget
14:36.13Birdieindeed:)
14:36.31Birdiebut i still live at home, so its normal that they buy those things
14:36.39Grumblerguess they are just making sure you will take care of them in the their old age
14:36.56Birdiei'll make sure they will never be thursty;)
14:37.01Grumblerheh
14:45.35Pimpimy parents never bought my beer when i was still living with them
14:45.38Pimpi:(
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14:50.00Pimpimight fit for a week for me
14:50.18Pimpihalf liters though
15:00.23ToughShooterHmm, what's the standard procedure to be admin on my own (test) server? I've set a password and do /password. So far it works as expected but when I do /setgroup "ToughShooter" local.admin I get the reply "There is no user by that name".
15:02.48ToughShooterThe server also shows up in listserver and authentication (+ or -) works
15:03.30Tupone~smack
15:03.30ibotWAAAH! THAT HURTS!
15:03.36Pimpido you have a userdb ?
15:04.59ToughShooterYes, server wrote "EVERYONE VERIFIED LOCAL.GLOBAL" inside
15:06.50Pimpishould be like one line "TOUGHSHOOTER"
15:07.05Pimpifollowed by the groups line
15:07.14Pimpithen two empty lines
15:08.56ToughShooterI solved my issue. I did exactly the same like before but used 2.0.2 instead of todays CVS-build
15:09.50Pimpiyeah, maybe there's a problem
15:09.56ToughShooterPimpi: There was a blank line before and after the entry I cited but nothing containing my callsign
15:10.27Pimpi_Manu_ just tells me about a similar problem
15:11.54ToughShooterI re-ran CVS one and there was no @ but when I switched (again) to 2.0.2 the @ was showing up again
15:12.18ToughShooterLooks like a bzfs issue
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15:26.51ToughShooterHi sgk
15:26.55Sgk284hey ts
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16:30.16Grumbleranybody know if there was difference in the way b11 and b12 were compiled?.....or was it just the source?   ie, did dtr do b11 and someone else do b12?
16:30.46Grumbler(windows betas specifically)
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16:32.24Grumbleri noticed last night that while playing with b12, the lag/gameplay was inconsistent with lagstats, while in b11 it was fine......
16:33.13Grumbleri switched back and forth as quickly as possible, so i didnt completely eliminate the possibility it was a temporary event on the server, however, it was leading to that conclusion
16:34.36Grumblerit oddly felt like the problems that occurred at the very beginning of 2.0 versions..........
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16:36.33sussudioTimRiker: did you move Debian and DebianExtra in blootbot.config to another file?
16:39.11CIA-3BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/game/LagInfo.cxx: do not display jitter information for observers, it is never calculated anyway
16:40.25sussudio!lart people who make config options case sensitive
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16:47.16JeffM2501wow, he was productive as ever
16:47.52blast007:)
16:54.53Grumbleri will assume that the lack response on my question, indicates that DTR built both and any differences in  preformance are purely code related.
16:57.21JeffM2501what was your question?
16:57.36JeffM2501he build 11 and 12
16:57.38JeffM2501I built 13
16:58.16Grumbleri only have 11 and 12, i will look at 13 tonight.
16:59.14JeffM2501there will probably be a 14 soon
16:59.54Grumbleri'll hold onto 11 and look to see what is ever available at the time
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17:01.49Grumbleri guess nobody tags the repository with these different beta versions.......would be nice from a diff standpoint
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17:08.54LilDoghelp me
17:09.24LilDogjeffm2501
17:09.32Grumblerheh
17:09.38JeffM2501huh?
17:10.02LilDogjeff i need your help
17:10.34ToughShooter~ask
17:10.34ibotask is probably Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
17:11.25LilDogi tried registering at mofo league but it says my official bzflag forum pass or username was incorrect, so i tried to make a new forum name but my email address is taken by my first name, so i changed my email address and password and now i cant login
17:12.55JeffM2501are you using the same name in bz as you use on the forums?
17:13.22LilDogyes
17:13.38JeffM2501EXACTLY?
17:13.39LilDogand will you please reset my email address back
17:13.42JeffM2501and the same password?
17:13.42LilDogyes
17:13.43JeffM2501no
17:13.46JeffM2501your have an acocunt
17:13.50JeffM2501you only need 1
17:13.51LilDogi know
17:13.53JeffM2501you don't need a new account
17:13.55LilDogbut on my lil dog account
17:13.58LilDogit says i cant login
17:14.03LilDogbecause its inactive
17:14.08LilDogbecvause i CHANGED email address
17:14.21JeffM2501did you get a mail at the new address?
17:14.25JeffM2501to reactivate?
17:14.28LilDogno...
17:14.35JeffM2501check your spam folder
17:14.53JeffM2501is the new address even valid?
17:15.03LilDogno..
17:15.13JeffM2501why would you set it to an invalid e-mail address?
17:15.18LilDogi dont know!
17:15.21LilDog=(
17:15.26JeffM2501how can you not know?
17:15.29JeffM2501YOU DID IT
17:15.38LilDog:-\
17:15.43JeffM2501did your hands magicaly type these words themesleves?
17:15.49LilDogno..
17:15.51JeffM2501were you possesed?
17:15.58LilDogno....i dont think so..
17:16.03JeffM2501did your "little brother do it" ?
17:16.11LilDogno...
17:16.17JeffM2501then you did it didn't you?
17:16.17LilDoghey manu
17:16.21LilDogyes i did
17:16.26JeffM2501ok then why?
17:16.36LilDogbecause i wanted to make a new name
17:16.45LilDogso i could register at mofo league
17:16.47JeffM2501and you expected an invalid email to work?
17:16.55LilDogbecause mofo league wouldnt except my real name and pass
17:17.02JeffM2501why do you think you need a new name for mofo, if your old name didn't work, why would a new one?
17:17.09blast007ick: http://a-delusion.com/webleague/gettok.php
17:17.37blast007that's sending your username and password through their server  ;)
17:17.38LilDogi kept getting this : Either your username or password is invalid. Please go back and try again.
17:17.50JeffM2501then YOU SCREWED UP
17:18.00LilDogno i didnt
17:18.00JeffM2501was this in game or on that page?
17:18.03bryjenhe changed the email addy on his origional name to something invalid so he could use his real email addy in a new account
17:18.11LilDogpage
17:18.17JeffM2501then his page is screwed up
17:18.24JeffM2501bryjen, I know what he did
17:18.31JeffM2501I want to know why he thought it would work
17:18.38JeffM2501but he won't admit he screwed up
17:18.56LilDogi screwed up
17:18.57JeffM2501email me from your VALID e-mail account
17:19.02LilDogok
17:19.04JeffM2501now your only saying that because I told you to
17:19.08LilDogwhats your address
17:19.15JeffM2501what is mofo doing with all these passwords?
17:19.48LilDogregistering them at their league i sapose...
17:19.55JeffM2501and geting your password
17:20.04blast007yeah, but he could hijack your bzbb/bzflag account
17:20.09LilDogbefore i tried it i clicked players
17:20.17LilDogi checked to see if any oldies registered
17:20.20LilDogand menotume did
17:20.26LilDogso i thought it would be safe
17:20.30LilDogso i did also
17:20.51JeffM2501he should be using groups for it, not raw tokens
17:21.52JeffM2501I'm inclined to block his server from the list server untill he answers
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17:22.19LilDogso what do i do?
17:22.28JeffM2501you do what I told you to do
17:22.39LilDogemail you
17:22.44blast007http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST&callsign=USERNAME&password=PASSWORD  (get a token this way)
17:22.47LilDogi dont know your email address though
17:22.48JeffM2501woe he can be tought
17:22.51LilDoghey SC
17:23.07JeffM2501LilDog, use your brain
17:23.11JeffM2501I know you can
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17:23.44JeffM2501blast007, that's what he's doing oin the backend to get a real token
17:23.55blast007I know
17:24.06blast007I'm saying, don't use his form  ;)
17:25.09JeffM2501I'm saying he shouldnt need the token AT ALL
17:25.14LilDogJeff@opencombat.net
17:25.25LilDogcorrect?
17:25.43JeffM2501impresive snake
17:25.52LilDogheh
17:25.55blast007he's getting it to make sure they are in the "MoFo.league" group
17:26.02LilDogcolonel, im mailing you now
17:26.06bryjento get groups though, you have to do CHECKTOKEN
17:26.24blast007which i bet he is doing
17:26.28bryjenthere's not just a "list this users groups"
17:26.35JeffM2501the server itself can do that
17:26.48JeffM2501or does he need it for a web page?
17:27.20blast007the site only lets the people in the group join
17:27.26blast007so the site needs it
17:27.35JeffM2501we need a clean way to do that, it seems more people want to use the auth
17:27.57JeffM2501he could be stealing passwords
17:28.06JeffM2501but then techicnaly so could I
17:28.16JeffM2501it's a good thing I'm cool :)
17:28.21blast007hehe
17:28.26Grumbler<cough>
17:29.25JeffM2501guess there is no !00% way to prevent anyone else from asking for a password
17:29.39JeffM2501unless we did a certificate or something
17:30.12Grumbleri say we just tatoo all the players with a bar code
17:30.16JeffM2501I'd like to see somethign were we set up a php thing that takes a URL as a paramater, would bring up an "oficial" login and it would then send them back the token
17:30.31blast007ah, yeah
17:30.36JeffM2501then at least when people wanted to use bzbb logins they could have a standard way of doing it
17:30.41JeffM2501and we'd know what ones were "cool"
17:31.12bryjenGrumbler: RFID implants
17:31.17JeffM2501you are active now munckin boy
17:31.43LilDogthx
17:32.31LilDogYou have specified an incorrect or inactive username, or an invalid password.
17:32.35TimRikeribot: botmail for sussudio: Debian and DebianExtra are now just channel flags iirc. a lot of things moved out of the central config and into channel flags. Also the case of some flags is now different. see the example blootbot.chan for correct values.
17:32.48JeffM2501LilDog, ask them about there lame script
17:32.49LilDogjeff... it says im inactive still
17:32.55JeffM2501LilDog, we didn't make that page
17:33.04JeffM2501in fact I don't trust that page
17:33.07LilDogofficial forums
17:33.08LilDogYou have specified an incorrect or inactive username, or an invalid password.
17:33.14LilDogit says im inactive
17:33.18Grumblersounds like a trap
17:33.19JeffM2501LilDog, what are you putting in for your username?
17:33.37LilDoglil dog
17:33.46JeffM2501your username dosn't have a space
17:33.55LilDogat the forums it does
17:34.08JeffM2501you have one with no space too
17:34.13JeffM2501pick 1
17:34.23LilDogi want the one with space please..
17:34.25LilDogdelete the other
17:34.44LilDogthanks for doiung all this for me
17:35.07JeffM2501just don't go screwing it up again :)
17:35.10JeffM2501it's fixed
17:35.28LilDogthanks
17:36.06JeffM2501so we could make a page that took the username/password and a URL, then redirected to that URL with the username, and token as paramaters, right?
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17:36.32LilDogdont ask me
17:36.35LilDogim not a tech
17:36.37JeffM2501then people could jsut use that for logins, and not have to scavange passowrds
17:36.41JeffM2501I wasn't asking you LilDog
17:36.46LilDogah sorry
17:36.51LilDogwell im going now
17:36.54blast007yup, that should work just fine
17:36.54LilDogthanks again jeff
17:37.04Grumblerlive long and prosper
17:37.05JeffM2501they could probalby also pass in a group to check, and we could pass back yes or no
17:37.15JeffM2501blast007, can you make a php page like that?
17:37.31blast007yeah
17:37.33Grumblerwhy not imbed a web browser in the clients
17:38.01JeffM2501Grumbler, if you are serious, then it would be to hard on all the difrent clients, if you are not then /smack :)
17:38.31Grumbleri'll take the smack......get some good money on the streets for it
17:38.50JeffM2501it makes sense that other sites would want to use our logins, since we use them for so many thigns now
17:40.06blast007yup, and it would help them verify that a player is really who they say they are
17:40.13JeffM2501yeah
17:40.21Grumblerhonestly, i would get nervous opening up another way into the database, although from a utopian standpoint it makes sense
17:40.50JeffM2501Grumbler, it isn't a new way in, it's the same way we have now, the same way people are going to hack at, may as well make it a single entry point
17:41.01JeffM2501then it's more controlable
17:41.14JeffM2501since bzfls does auth for anyone, we can't prevent people from doing it
17:41.36JeffM2501I'm just saying make an "oficial" way, so that the people who want to use it for good all don't have difrent hacks
17:41.44JeffM2501it's going to happen
17:41.53Grumbleryeah, that makes sense
17:41.58JeffM2501apereanly that form is part of what RPG is doing
17:42.24JeffM2501for a player standpoint I'd think they would like one consistnt way to login, and it be from a my.bzflag.org for all of them
17:42.51Grumblermaybe it should just be a cookie :)
17:42.53JeffM2501so who's a php master that can bust this out for me? :)
17:43.07bryjentoken ~= cookie
17:43.14blast007Grumbler: cookies won't work cross-site
17:43.18JeffM2501maybe we could use a cookie, maybe we can sent them just a responce, not even a real token.
17:43.26JeffM2501they don't need the token
17:43.34JeffM2501as they arn't going to use it in a game
17:43.42blast007yeah
17:43.54JeffM2501I'm thinking a page that takes a URL and a group(s) as paramaters
17:43.58JeffM2501displays a login
17:44.08JeffM2501saying "this site wants you to loign"
17:44.17bryjenthey use username+token to verify identity and get groups, just like bzfs does
17:44.22JeffM2501then passes back to the URL the username, and if the group was cool
17:44.38JeffM2501they don't need the token itself, just to know if it was good or not
17:44.54JeffM2501they don't have 2 partys doing the lookup
17:44.55Grumblerbryjen< its the "~" that makes all the difference
17:45.15JeffM2501you could have that page there then have a cookie that remembers the password, just like bzbb
17:45.24JeffM2501then they would autologin to any site that used our system
17:45.43bryjentoken and cookie are two terms for the same thing.  some arbitrary blob of data used to identify the user.
17:45.53JeffM2501a true statment
17:46.04JeffM2501by cookie I mean a real browser cookie for remembering a login
17:46.07Grumblernot entirely, but its not worth the effort to argue
17:46.23JeffM2501I think grumber meant a browser cookie too
17:46.31JeffM2501a bzfs token can't hold much data :)
17:46.31Grumbler:)
17:46.54bryjenwell, yeah, browser cookie can hold other data for other things, but that's not what we're talking about ;)
17:47.34blast007I'm working on a little php too, but I don't have a listserver database on here to test  ;)
17:47.54JeffM2501I wasn't thinking of it doing a real list server db lookup
17:47.58purple_cowJeffM2501: don't do it!
17:48.02JeffM2501why?
17:48.14purple_cowoh, i dunno
17:48.17JeffM2501heh
17:48.43blast007eeek
17:48.53blast007;)
17:49.38bryjeni just think working up another system is silly.  the token stuff is there and works.
17:49.46JeffM2501yeah
17:49.52JeffM2501I am going to use the token
17:49.57JeffM2501just package it a difrent way
17:50.24JeffM2501this php will just ask for a token, and return if it was valid or not
17:50.37JeffM2501I'm just sying they don't need the actual token value
17:50.44JeffM2501since they arn't going to compare it to anyting again
17:51.17JeffM2501I mean could pass it to them
17:51.24JeffM2501then they could do a lookup themselves
17:51.34JeffM2501but why? they are allready trusting my.bzflag.org once :)
17:51.39bryjenuhm, what's to stop someone from spoofing the valid/invalid response to the 3rd party page?
17:52.02JeffM2501techincay nothing
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17:52.10JeffM2501so then pass them the token
17:52.12bryjenthe third party need to have the token to do an independant lookup
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17:52.17JeffM2501and have them do a lookup too
17:52.20JeffM2501just like a game server
17:52.28JeffM2501so this page does kinda what a client does then
17:52.43JeffM2501fair nuf
17:53.09JeffM2501the only reason for this page is so there is one place that asks for a password
17:53.18JeffM2501ok so pass back token to a URL, with username
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17:53.43bryjenyeah, a 3rd party should never ask for the password
17:53.49foo-on-firecan i export a mesh from blender into a certain file format like .dxf or something, and then import it into a .bzw as a mesh object somehow?
17:53.50JeffM2501we can make them a little php function they can use that takes the username and token and veriftys it
17:54.01JeffM2501that they can include in there pages
17:54.16JeffM2501foo-on-fire, obj
17:54.23JeffM2501then use the obj to bzw converter
17:54.34foo-on-fireJeffM2501: where's the obj to bzw converter?
17:54.39JeffM2501in the source tree
17:54.43JeffM2501tools/modeltool/
17:55.01JeffM2501if you are on windows, there is a binary build posted on bzbb
17:55.25foo-on-fireaww, crud
17:55.34foo-on-firewell, it really helps that i can't compile anything for some reason
17:55.42JeffM2501what OS are you on?
17:55.56foo-on-firei'm "a monkey" on the forums, with the big problem on tiger
17:56.02JeffM2501oh yeah
17:56.06JeffM2501you have problems
17:56.09foo-on-fireyup
17:56.21JeffM2501model tool dosn't use any of the bz stuff
17:56.26JeffM2501it should work fine
17:56.29JeffM2501it's simple
17:56.36foo-on-firecan i compile that separately somehow?
17:56.38JeffM2501or just use wings
17:56.46JeffM2501yes you HAVE to compile it seperately
17:56.51JeffM2501it is not part of the main build
17:57.42foo-on-fireoh
17:57.43foo-on-firecool
17:57.46foo-on-firehow is that done?
17:57.50JeffM2501make
17:57.52JeffM2501in the dir
17:57.55foo-on-fireoh
17:57.55JeffM2501then pray
17:57.56foo-on-firei see
17:58.20foo-on-firewhat's bzwtransform?
17:58.26JeffM2501a dead thing
17:58.48JeffM2501best thing for you is probably the wings exporter tho
17:58.58JeffM2501import from blender to wings then export direclty as bzw
17:59.00foo-on-fireexport .blend > wings3d?
17:59.10JeffM2501wings will read many formats
17:59.16JeffM2501like your dxf you mentioned
17:59.47foo-on-firedangit
17:59.56foo-on-firei get the same "error: `fd_set' has not been declared" error
18:00.02trepanthere's a wings dxf importer?
18:00.03foo-on-firei give up
18:00.10JeffM2501maybe :)
18:00.18JeffM2501wings should import something that blender exports
18:00.23JeffM2501I asumed he coudl figure that out
18:00.26JeffM2501but maybe that is too much
18:00.28foo-on-firei don't have wings, though
18:00.31JeffM2501get it
18:00.36foo-on-firedoes it cost $?
18:00.38trepanno
18:00.39JeffM2501no
18:00.42foo-on-fireoh good
18:00.48JeffM2501GOOOOOOGGGGGLLLLLLEEEEEE
18:00.52foo-on-firelol
18:00.57JeffM2501use the gray matter
18:01.40JeffM2501how does one redirect in php?
18:01.58blast007header('location: http://bla.com/whatever.html');
18:02.05JeffM2501cool thanks
18:02.15JeffM2501and I can build that location from a strings and stuff?
18:02.18blast007just make sure it occurs before any output
18:02.23JeffM2501ok
18:02.30JeffM2501then I can just return then?
18:02.40blast007or do an exit;
18:02.49JeffM2501ok
18:02.54foo-on-fireis the cvs down again?
18:03.00foo-on-fireit doesn't appear to be working
18:03.01foo-on-firenow
18:03.21JeffM2501mine is fine
18:03.24foo-on-fireweird
18:03.25blast007http://www.php.net/sprintf
18:03.31blast007you can build it that way
18:03.46blast007or you could do this:
18:04.10blast007$url = "http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST&callsign=" . urlencode($username) . "&password=" . urlencode($password);
18:04.27foo-on-fireooh
18:04.35foo-on-firemodeltool compiled correctly from CVS
18:05.44foo-on-fireoh yea
18:05.48foo-on-firei had one more question:
18:06.04foo-on-firecan i have a box that you can shoot thru one side, but not the other?
18:08.25blast007I think I did that before when using meshes
18:09.59foo-on-firehmm
18:11.41Grumbleryep, mesh....there is a topic related to that involving being able to fall down through a box, but not be able to jump out....or vice versa......been a couple months since ii remember seeing it
18:14.20foo-on-firewhat's udp?
18:14.28foo-on-fire-requireudp, -noudp
18:14.57blast007UDP is a packet type that bzflag uses
18:16.06blast007http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol
18:16.49foo-on-firehow would i know if i want to use this udp?
18:16.55blast007you want to use it
18:17.04foo-on-fireoh. i see
18:17.07blast007it makes the game run smoother, and with less lag typically
18:17.11foo-on-fireok
18:17.42CIA-3BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyEvents.cpp PyEvents.h python.cpp): start in on updating the API. bump the bound version to 5, add some stubs for the new events
18:22.03*** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ
18:27.09foo-on-fireso, for no superflags, i include +s 0 and -s 0 in my bzfs config?
18:27.42DTRemenakfoo-on-fire: no superflags is the default condition, you don't need anything in the config for that
18:27.51foo-on-fireoh
18:27.52foo-on-fireok
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18:33.21Sir_Pantsi need some help with cvs
18:34.02blast007what exactly is the issue?
18:34.22Sir_Pantswhen i run ./configure i get this
18:34.24Sir_PantsBZFlag-2.0.3.20050801
18:34.32Sir_Pantsconfigure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub
18:34.44purple_cowrerun autogen.sh
18:34.47blast007did you run ./autogen first?
18:34.52Sir_Pantsjust a sec
18:34.57DTRemenakSir_Pants: lemme guess, you're on a mac?
18:34.58blast007er, yeah, autogen.sh
18:35.05Sir_Pantsyea im on a mac
18:35.08purple_cowheh
18:35.26Sir_Pantsthen after that ./configure?
18:35.31blast007yup
18:35.51Sir_Pantsk
18:37.01Sir_Pantsi still get the same error after ./autogen.sh
18:37.04DTRemenaksearch your machine for files named config.sub and config.guess.  if you find some, copy them both (preferably from the same source) to the bzflag directory, then run configure again.
18:37.13Sir_Pantsi have them there
18:37.50Sir_Pantsconfigure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub
18:39.16CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerCommandKey.h: from Kick to Ghost don't add commands that do not use recipient
18:41.02Sir_Pantsits working
18:43.02ToughShooterYou need to copy these files from /usr/share/automake-1.6
18:43.38Sir_Pantsi got it to work
18:43.54Sir_Pantsi had the files in another cvs folder iono what folder but i copied them and it worked fine
18:44.04ToughShooterYeah, I only saw the error and didn't read further
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18:47.00Sir_Pantsim running make right now
18:47.09Sir_Pantsjust waiting hum de dum
18:48.31foo-on-firejeez, when i try and give something a position, i get this: "map1.bzw: warning (line 10): unknown object parameter `position' - skipping"
18:49.32Grumblerfoo-on-fire< helps on problems like these to post the map file in question to pastebin
18:50.05Sir_Pantsmeans
18:50.19Sir_Pantsthat u didnt quite define the object
18:50.37Sir_Pantsor doesnt have the "end" at the end of the object definition
18:50.45Sir_Pantsi get that with meshes alot
18:50.48foo-on-fireoh
18:50.50foo-on-firei get it
18:50.52foo-on-firenvm
18:51.08blast007this is helpful when making maps: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s
18:52.56foo-on-firemaps are always fun to make
18:53.05foo-on-firei've mad a million cool maps just for kicks
18:54.17Grumbleryou shouldnt make maps when you are mad, you can twist your shooting finger
18:55.43Sir_Pantslol
18:55.55wegstar:D
18:55.58JeffM2501so if I have the php page pass back the token, it dosn't need to provide a gorup list, because the calling server can just ask for groups when it verifys the token right? just like bzfs
18:56.13Sir_Pantsdo you use bzedit a lot or a 3d modeler?
18:56.44DTRemenakyup
18:57.01Sir_Pantsmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
18:57.02Sir_Pantswhat does this mean
18:57.09wegstarer..
18:57.18DTRemenakthat means you had an error.
18:57.23Sir_Pantsgreat
18:57.43Sir_Pantsi realized that
18:57.58Grumbleran Error 1 to be exact
18:58.08Sir_Pantsi had 4 of them
18:58.17Sir_Pantsmake[3]: *** [SDLMain.o] Error 1
18:58.34Sir_Pantsand it switches to make[2], [1] and make
18:58.35Tuponehehe ... same error as yesterday :)
18:58.41DTRemenakyup
18:58.46Sir_Pants??
18:59.08TuponeI wonder who wrote SDLMain.m
18:59.23Sir_Pantsis it fixable?
18:59.23JeffM2501.m ?
18:59.28Tuponeyeah
18:59.33JeffM2501what is a .m?
18:59.37purple_cowJeffM2501: objective C
18:59.49purple_cowit's a mac thing :P
18:59.52JeffM2501eww
18:59.55Sir_Pantswhich means
18:59.57DTRemenakheh
18:59.57JeffM2501well not really
19:00.05JeffM2501there are objective C compilers for OTHER Oss too
19:00.07purple_cowyes, objective C is eww
19:00.08JeffM2501just apple lubs it
19:00.21TuponeSir_Pants: where you have the SDL include directory?
19:00.26Sir_Pantswhat should i do
19:00.34Sir_Pantswhere do i have the SDL what?
19:00.37DTRemenakyou should fix it, of course ;)
19:01.50Tuponeyou should have SDL (directory) in one of /usr/include /usr/local/include
19:02.07Sir_Pantsthats probably my problem
19:02.10JeffM2501I'm sure the file is filled with carbon stuff
19:02.19JeffM2501but the fact that it's objective C dosn't make it mac
19:02.24Sir_Pantscuz i have no idea what exactly ur saying
19:02.34JeffM2501how does one output a " in an echo?
19:02.38JeffM2501in php?
19:02.47purple_cowtrue, but i haven't seen someone use obj-c on something that -wasn't- a mac in the last few years ;-)
19:02.48Tuponeecho '"' ??
19:02.54blast007or echo "  \"  "
19:02.55purple_cownextstep people have pretty much gone away
19:03.04purple_cowand on that note, i think it's time for me to buy an overpriced salad
19:03.06blast007escaping works inside double quotes
19:03.12JeffM2501ahh cool
19:03.14JeffM2501just like C
19:03.16JeffM2501thanks
19:03.20JeffM2501purple_cow, that they have
19:03.31blast007hmm, the PHP page should also send back the username
19:03.36Sir_Pantsso do i have to get this sdl thingy?
19:03.41JeffM2501blast007, it will
19:03.43blast007k
19:03.45JeffM2501username and token
19:03.49JeffM2501that's all they should need
19:03.49TuponeSir_Pants: I think you have
19:03.53blast007yup
19:03.59JeffM2501any other passback params they can put into the URL
19:04.01TuponeI just need to know where it is
19:04.10Sir_Pantsyea
19:04.16Sir_Pantsim just not sure what im looking for
19:04.28Tuponeor ... to be sure could you paste all the error in pastebin
19:04.32Tupone~pastebin
19:04.32ibotpastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca
19:04.55Tuponea directory or folder named SDL
19:06.07Sir_Pantshttp://pastebin.ca/19006
19:06.56Tupone:( you should redo the make and paste all the output, at least the last 20/30 lines
19:07.17Sir_Pantsalright just a sec
19:08.21Sir_Pantshttp://pastebin.ca/19008
19:09.19blast007SDLMain.m:8:21: SDL/SDL.h: No such file or directory
19:09.39Tuponecd /usr/include/SDL
19:09.48Sir_Pantsin terminal
19:09.49Tuponeln -s SDL ..
19:09.50JeffM2501wasn't there complete instructions on how to build on a mac on the forum recently?
19:09.51Tuponeyeah
19:10.14Tuponeeek, not last ln
19:10.20Sir_Pantsyea no such directory
19:10.41Tuponeon 2nd command ?
19:10.53Sir_Pantson cd /usr/include/SDL
19:11.19Tuponecd /usr/local/include/SDL
19:11.22Sir_Pantsshould i do the next command anyways?
19:11.27Tuponenope
19:12.10Tuponesdl-config --cflags             << try this command
19:12.40Sir_Pantsaigth
19:12.55Tuponeaigth ?
19:13.09Sir_Pantsok
19:13.16Tuponeahh
19:13.21JeffM2501TimRiker, is there a way to get a user token with out geting a full list?
19:13.22Tuponewhat is the output
19:13.39JeffM2501wonder if I pass in a bogus version
19:13.56TuponeJeffM2501: no
19:14.00Sir_Pantstcsh: sdl-config: Command not found.
19:14.13Tuponeso you need to get sdl
19:14.20Sir_Pantsyea
19:14.22Tuponedo you know fink
19:14.30JeffM2501Tupone, what if I pass in a fake version?
19:14.33JeffM2501it still give me a full list?
19:14.37Tuponenope
19:14.42Sir_Pantsim looking at the guide on the forum
19:14.44Tuponeit should send you nothing
19:14.50Sir_Pantsit mentions fink
19:15.00JeffM2501no it sends me just the token :)
19:15.09TuponeI mean that :)
19:15.15JeffM2501all I want is the token :)
19:17.37JeffM2501hmm is there a php function to URL encode a string?
19:17.49Tuponewww.php.net :)
19:17.58JeffM2501your no fun :)
19:18.17JeffM2501what ever happend to "colaboration" ?
19:18.18Tuponehowever I remember it is
19:18.34Tuponetry to fix all the bug I put in ... sorry
19:18.41Tuponetrying even
19:18.48JeffM2501fun fun
19:19.55Sir_Pantsso after i get fink then what?
19:20.16Sir_Pantstry "make" again?
19:20.26Tuponewith fink you can get sdl
19:20.56Sir_Pantsok
19:22.19blast007JeffM2501: urlencode  ;)
19:27.31Sir_Pantsill be back later to finish this
19:27.47Sir_Pantsbut once fink is installed then what?
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19:27.59Gnurduxbzflag still doesnt work
19:28.08Gnurduxare there nay l;iovecds with bz on them
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19:29.39Gnurduxblast007` are there any livecds with bzflag?
19:29.39TimRikerJeffM2501: not currently, no. why?
19:30.11TuponeSir_Pants: with fink installed you get SDL
19:30.17Sir_Pantsoh
19:30.26Sir_Pantsso just run make after its installed?
19:30.39TimRikerahh. passing a bogus version... that should work ok. again, why do you want to do this?
19:31.15Tuponeno. fink is a program that let you get SDL from internet. I don't know the command :(
19:31.33Sir_Pantsok
19:31.37Sir_Pantsi think i do
19:32.03blast007Gnurdux: there might be, but they probably have older versions
19:32.08Gnurduxhmmm
19:32.49wegstar:)
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19:34.30blast007TimRiker: so that websites can have a standard interface to the global registration, without exposing user's passwords to that web server
19:36.03blast007instead of something like this: http://a-delusion.com/webleague/gettok.php
19:42.45TimRikerblast007: and by not exposing passwords you mean: exposing passwords but not storing them locally?
19:43.20TimRikerblast007: or is JeffM2501 adding a page on my.bzflag.org that forwards?
19:44.09TimRikera page on my.bzflag.org should use the sql tables directly, and hence not need a get token call.
19:44.41blast007adding a page on my.bzflag.org that fowards
19:44.43TimRikera page on a remote site that needs a get token call would need to have asked for your password. which by definition exposes your password to that site.
19:45.03blast007right
19:45.31TimRikerso he should NOT need a get token html call. he's on the same site, just do the same code in his php page.
19:45.47TimRikermake it an included php snippet to be even cleaner.
19:48.51blast007yeah, that would make it more efficient
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19:49.01blast007then we wouldn't have to deal with a token at all
19:49.06Gnurduxhey i almostfixed bz
19:49.11Gnurduxbut hwta is bz;s default quality?
19:49.41blast007default? I think it checks your system's abilities on the first start, and sets them
19:50.25Gnurduxok
19:50.35blast007it just does a rough guess though
19:50.35Gnurduxsee for some reason it chose low which it didnt before
19:50.44Gnurduxbut high is higher than before
19:50.52Gnurduxwhat are the allowable values?
19:51.14blast007the only ones in the menu..
19:51.20blast007it won't let you choose invalid ones  :P
19:51.29Gnurduxits in options
19:51.31blast007experimental is the highest
19:52.05blast007Options > Graphics Options
19:52.15blast007or whatever it's called
19:52.36bryjendisplay settings
19:52.39blast007the Effects menu also has some eye-candy you can turn on
19:52.44Gnurduxok
19:54.02Gnurduxgood
19:54.07Gnurduxfixed
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20:02.56bryjencan anyone else get to http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag/ ?
20:04.40Tuponebryjen: nope, and CIA is slow. I changed something n server, related to authentication. Building a new server ?
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20:07.58Sir_Pantshow do i install sdl with fink?
20:09.26Sir_Pants????
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20:13.18ToughShootersdl with fink was "apt-get install sdl" but some are a bit unpatient :/
20:14.10TimRikerblast007: you'd still have to deal with a token. referer tags can be forged. the remote site should get a token as a parameter on the forward, and then verify it.
20:14.40blast007oh yeah, keep forgetting that  ;)
20:15.09TimRikerTupone: what changed relater to authentication?
20:15.15TimRikerer related.
20:15.47TuponeTimRiker: I was trying to delay the enter til the authentication succeed ... so the unban works
20:16.01Tuponenow I'm fixing some bug I've introduced
20:17.35Tuponeshould I explain better :(
20:18.53Tuponeunban -> antiban
20:19.25Tuponeantiban can be done with info from global authentication
20:20.15Tuponepreviously only host-antiban worked. I made ip antiban working too
20:20.17SportyGal~retro++
20:20.59Tupone~SportChick++
20:21.23Aribethhi SportyGal
20:21.44SportyGalhi tupone & aribeth
20:21.57Tuponehi SportyGal
20:22.42retroall this waving is making it windy.
20:22.47JeffM2501oh php gurus, anyone got a hint on where i should look for how to have a php page, call a URL and how to look at the returned page?
20:23.03Tuponeuse curl
20:23.09JeffM2501i'm in php
20:23.11blast007JeffM2501: Tim was saying it should directly interface the database
20:23.16Aribethweather report -- strong winds expected from people waveing
20:23.17JeffM2501I can do that too
20:23.22Tuponecurl is in php too :)
20:23.23JeffM2501if ya all want
20:23.26JeffM2501ahh
20:23.37JeffM2501I'll just gank the code from the list server then
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20:23.46brlcadgeorge lucas is about ready to speak
20:24.00Tuponecan you broadcast here ?
20:24.10JeffM2501hmmm... or maybe even just put it IN the list server
20:24.14JeffM2501as a new action
20:24.24blast007yeah, that would work too  :)
20:24.25brlcadtupone, hehe.. i dn't know
20:24.30Tupone:)
20:24.33DTRemenakJeffM2501: btw, that server is a dual p2-300 not a dual p3-600 ;)  still plenty faster than what it's replacing though :)
20:24.35JeffM2501that may be too much for one thing, just for maitannce
20:24.44JeffM2501oh it was 300?
20:24.45JeffM2501hmm
20:24.50JeffM2501I thought I had 600's somewhere
20:24.53JeffM2501wonder where they went
20:24.53DTRemenakheh
20:24.57JeffM2501did it work?
20:25.01DTRemenakyup, it works
20:25.04JeffM2501wow
20:25.16JeffM2501the mobo should take up to a 700 IIRC
20:25.28JeffM2501I'll see if I have the other CPUs around
20:25.33DTRemenakquite a bit faster than the old k6, probably mostly thanks to the SDRAM :)
20:25.40JeffM2501how much was in it?
20:25.44DTRemenak512mb
20:25.47JeffM2501nice
20:25.50DTRemenakyeah
20:25.56JeffM2501cool, glad it worked
20:26.00DTRemenakme too :)
20:26.47DTRemenakthanks again
20:26.50JeffM2501well I'll do this php seperate first for testing, then it can be merged in if need be, I'll make it use difrent action keywords, so it coudl be put in easyer
20:26.54JeffM2501sure thing
20:27.17JeffM2501what video was in it?
20:27.25DTRemenakoxygen vx1
20:27.28DTRemenakthat surprised me too
20:27.30JeffM2501LOL
20:27.35JeffM2501that's where that went
20:27.40DTRemenakheh
20:27.41JeffM2501best of luck geting drivers for that sucker
20:27.48DTRemenakdon't need drivers for it
20:27.52DTRemenakit's replacing a headless box
20:28.08JeffM2501ahhh
20:28.17DTRemenakand certainly no X :)
20:28.17JeffM2501well the VX1 isn't a bad card
20:28.37JeffM2501should be GF1 at least IIRC
20:28.41DTRemenakyeah, that's why it surprised me - last time I saw one for sale it was priced at $1200 or so.  'course that was in what, '98?
20:28.51JeffM2501yeah it's old
20:29.07JeffM2501replace your TNT2 with it :)(
20:29.12DTRemenakhehe
20:29.30DTRemenakprobably my mom's
20:31.17jpa-i think it is in my closet
20:31.39DTRemenakthat may be the first 3dlabs card I've seen in person, actually.  all the workstations here use quadros.
20:32.30JeffM2501I used to have a permida 2
20:33.23DTRemenakcool
20:33.44jpa-JeffM2501: is intel 845G a good card?
20:33.50JeffM2501no
20:33.53JeffM2501it's not even a card
20:34.02Aribethugg
20:34.42Aribethall it does is suck up resources and slowes the computer down
20:35.10JeffM2501actualy it's ok when it's used for what it was made for
20:35.16JeffM2501being the mainboard chipset
20:35.43Aribethi have seen it crash computers
20:35.48jpa-jeff has called bad every card i've owned
20:35.59JeffM2501jpa-, not my fualt you buy crap
20:36.05Aribethget a geforce 6600 gt
20:36.07jpa-Aribeth: it is giving me artifacts in bzflag. i blame bzflag for it :)
20:36.08JeffM2501Aribeth, that would be drivers, not the hardware
20:36.16DTRemenakjpa-: restate that as, "every card I've owned has sucked" :)
20:36.22jpa-TNT2 has been the only one i've bought
20:36.24JeffM2501jpa-, no you have to blame the GL implemenation your driver made
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20:36.38JeffM2501TNT2's aren't bad
20:36.41jpa-JeffM2501: not seen it in other programs :)
20:36.41JeffM2501they are just old and slow
20:36.46JeffM2501I owned a TnT2
20:37.04JeffM2501jpa-, then no other program calls the GL call that is busted on your system
20:37.17JeffM2501jpa-, we don't do any direct rendering
20:37.22JeffM2501we ask openGL to draw all things
20:37.32jpa-:/
20:37.35Aribethwell, i know something thats slower than a TNT2, Colomart coustomer service
20:37.58jpa-maybe JeffM2501 has something against 845G and has coded some evil piece in the source ,)
20:38.22Aribeth~fishslap jpa-
20:38.23ibotACTION slaps jpa- up side the head with a wet fish.
20:38.59Aribethewww
20:39.11DTRemenakJeffM2501: actually, drivers for the vx1 were not hard to find
20:39.17DTRemenak3dlabs has them posted even
20:39.20JeffM2501jpa-, nope, I hate puting in specific stuff for cards
20:39.27JeffM2501I want to remove all hardware specific code
20:39.29JeffM2501DTRemenak, cool
20:40.10Aribethi have a 3DFX vodo 3 3000. good card for its day
20:40.25DTRemenaktheir website is actually not crappy, unlike most other hardware manufacturers
20:41.23DTRemenakJeffM2501: afaik the only hardware specific code is the RIVA stuff
20:42.51JeffM2501and the 3dfx stuff
20:42.59JeffM2501and the GL 1.0 stuff for that old irix machine
20:43.16DTRemenakheh
20:45.48Birdieis it just on my side everything goes slowly the last days? starting bzflag, joining a server...
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20:59.44brad2901Player picklez [1] removed at 2005-08-01 21:57:48: Write error EAGAIN
20:59.44brad2901Player who [2] removed at 2005-08-01 21:57:48: Write error EAGAIN
20:59.50brad2901anyone know what that means?
20:59.53ToughShooterBirdie: It looks like the message of the day response has some lag, with CVS-builds BZFlag won't block until the message is received
21:00.24DTRemenakbrad2901: network error or their system crashed
21:00.50brad2901I guess network error then because four players left at the same time.
21:01.32brad2901Unless they all simultaneously broke their computers....
21:02.36jpa-or maybe jpa broke their computers..
21:04.24brad2901It also happened to:
21:04.24brad2901Player sbgodin [3] removed at 2005-08-01 21:57:48: Write error EAGAIN
21:04.26brad2901Player Cruel dog [4] removed at 2005-08-01 21:57:48: Write error EAGAIN
21:05.18ToughShootersbgodin? :(
21:05.40brad2901:)
21:06.02brad2901what's wrong with picklez?
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21:07.50ToughShooterHe can be very nice but ...he isn't nice to secretplace ops
21:07.58brad2901oh?
21:08.01brad2901hmmmm
21:08.42Aribethhi TS
21:11.08CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/README.XMINGW: Removing hack for mingw bugs. Works now in 3.4.4
21:12.42ToughShooterHi Aribeth
21:13.40Aribethyes :(
21:13.59Aribethseveral hours now
21:14.14Aribethim about ready to cancel with colomart
21:16.14SportyGalAribeth: is colomart your server host?
21:18.19trepanAribeth: my advice, cancel it and buy a nice bottle of red
21:18.34Aribethyep
21:19.38foo-on-fireis anyone having cvs problems?
21:19.58TuponeI don't
21:20.05foo-on-firelike, checking it out
21:20.19foo-on-firei simply can't check out bz's cvs
21:20.31foo-on-fireafter i issue the command, it just hangs
21:21.28Tuponeworks to me . Could be they are backing up dev -> anonymous ?
21:21.32Tuponetry later
21:21.37foo-on-fireoh, nvm. it just starting working
21:21.39foo-on-fireweird
21:22.48blast007It's been acting odd today
21:23.18blast007even the web cvs viewer was having issues
21:31.45foo-on-firehere's what the cvs gives me: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AUAYyV43.html
21:31.53foo-on-firedoes this mean it can't find the sdl header?
21:32.01foo-on-fire"SDL/SDL.h: No such file or directory"
21:32.43Tuponecan you go now on /usr/include/SDL ?
21:32.45foo-on-firebecause i have the header in /opt/local/include/SDL
21:32.55foo-on-fireit's right there, plain as can be
21:33.05Tuponewhat sdl-config -cflags says?
21:33.26SportyGal!weather 30303
21:33.28Tuponeor --cflags
21:33.28foo-on-fire-I/opt/local/include/SDL -D_THREAD_SAFE
21:33.30TheLastSpartanSportyGal: The current temperature in Atlanta, Georgia (30303) is 84°F (4:53 PM EDT on August 01, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 70°F. Pressure: 30.07 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 4 out of 16
21:33.39SportyGal!weather 90277
21:33.41TheLastSpartanSportyGal: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 75°F (12:50 PM PDT on August 01, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 64°F. Pressure: 29.94 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 7.0 miles (11.3 kilometers). UV: 11 out of 16
21:33.45Tuponefoo-on-fire: cd /opt/local/include/SDL
21:33.50retro!weather 94086
21:33.53TheLastSpartanretro: The current temperature in Sunnyvale, California (94086) is 75°F (1:56 PM PDT on August 01, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 61°F. Pressure: 29.95 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 12 out of 16
21:33.55foo-on-fireTupone: yep...
21:34.08Tuponeln -sf .. SDL
21:34.16retroheh, we're having the same weather SportyGal
21:34.26SportyGalyep, but ours is nicer!  :)
21:34.35retronot
21:34.42foo-on-fireTupone: i type in "ln -sf .. SDL"?
21:34.50SportyGalmore visibility here
21:34.50Tuponeafter cd yes
21:34.53foo-on-fireok
21:35.12retroum, 10 miles in silicon valley, 7 in redondo.  SO, no
21:35.20Tuponego back to your original directory and re-run make
21:35.24SportyGalooo, I read that backwards  :)
21:35.30retroI forgive you. :)
21:35.35foo-on-fireTupone: that should fix it?
21:35.35SportyGalyes, but our temps are at almost an hour apart
21:35.46TuponeI hope.
21:36.18retroSportyGal is sooooo competitive.  It's just weather. :)
21:36.38foo-on-firethat made a link called "SDL", linking to /opt/local/include, inside /opt/local/include/SDL
21:37.04foo-on-firethat would mean that bzflag looks for SDL.h in /opt/local/include/SDL/SDL/SDL ?
21:37.15Tuponethe SDL link should point to /opt/local/include/SDL
21:37.30foo-on-firenope
21:37.37foo-on-firethe command must have been wrong
21:37.44foo-on-fireit links to /opt/local/include
21:37.50Tuponebzflag look for /opt/local/include/SDL/SDL/SDL.h
21:38.01foo-on-fireooh
21:38.17foo-on-firehmm
21:38.17Tuponenot really bzflag, just the SDLmain.m :(
21:38.23foo-on-firewell, yea
21:38.44foo-on-firethe link is wrong, tho
21:38.47Tuponebzflag look for it in /opt/local/include/SDL/SDL.h
21:39.19Tuponewell, ok. Fix it :)
21:39.35TuponeI should look at it to be confident
21:39.58foo-on-firelet's see...
21:40.09Tuponeyou could even change <SDL/SDL.h> with "SDL.h"
21:40.12foo-on-firei don't use the 'ln' command much, i better figure out how it works
21:40.18Tuponeinstead of the link
21:40.26foo-on-firehuh??
21:40.32Tuponein SDLmain.m
21:40.41foo-on-firewell, yes
21:40.44Tuponethere is an #include
21:40.52foo-on-fireyes
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21:41.20Tuponeif you change that, is the same. I think we should change that. But I want to wait for brlcad for doing that
21:42.23RPG_hi
21:42.24foo-on-fireoh i figured it out
21:42.36SportyGalRPG_: hi
21:42.43foo-on-fire"ln -sf . SDL"
21:42.47RPG_SportyGal?
21:42.48Tuponeok
21:42.58SportyGalyes?
21:42.59RPG_Oh... cause SportChick was taken
21:43.04RPG_are you sportchick?
21:43.11SportyGalSportChick = home, SportyGal = work
21:43.16RPG_gotcha
21:43.28foo-on-fireyay
21:43.37Tuponeworks?
21:43.39foo-on-firethe compiling is working
21:43.42foo-on-fireyup
21:43.55RPG_my Q: to have BZFS use a plugin, you just put it in the BZFS directory, true?
21:44.09Tuponedunno :)
21:44.56foo-on-fireit's kinda weird that the cvs doesn't include a config.sub and config.guess
21:45.09foo-on-firei have to manually grab it from the 2.0.2 release
21:45.13Tuponefoo-on-fire: your automake tools are broken.
21:45.23foo-on-firereally??
21:45.24foo-on-fireoh
21:45.27Tuponeyeah
21:45.38foo-on-fireother people have the same problem though.
21:45.42Tuponeyeah
21:46.01TuponeMac people
21:46.14TuponeI think you need a new version with fink
21:46.42Tuponeconfig.sub should be provided by them, they require it
21:47.19foo-on-firei don't like fink
21:47.24foo-on-firei like to compile my stuff on my own
21:47.29TuponeI don't know what is fink.
21:47.38TuponeI just heard Mac people like it
21:47.48BenUrbanfoo-on-fire: good luck getting it working without fink
21:48.08foo-on-firei get a lot of stuff done without fink
21:48.33BenUrbanthen you can get this done without fink
21:48.40foo-on-fireyup
21:49.07foo-on-fireso far, everything's fine: i've just copied config.sub and config.guess from my 2.0.2 source directory
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21:57.17foo-on-fireooh
21:57.27foo-on-firei like the new black tank cursor in cvs
21:57.33foo-on-fireand little icons for teams
21:57.57blast007:)
21:59.42jpa-i like brad2901
22:01.55Tuponefoo-on-fire: now does it works to you ?
22:02.07foo-on-firethis is why i like compiling my own builds, not using the mac os x binaries: instead of 60fps i now get almost double that: 100fps
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22:02.13foo-on-firefoo-on-fire: yup
22:02.26foo-on-fireoops
22:02.30foo-on-fireTupone: yup
22:03.05foo-on-fireoptimizing bz for my processor etc. really makes a difference
22:03.14blast007JeffM2501: heh
22:03.21TuponeYou should also compile curl with c-ares, but I know Mac has some problem
22:03.29blast007the bzfls.php file is ugly, to say the least
22:03.41TuponeMac -> c-ares 1.2.1 on Mac
22:04.19JeffM2501foo-on-fire, what mac do you have?
22:05.16blast007<foo-on-fire> i'm "a monkey" on the forums, with the big problem on tiger
22:05.25JeffM2501I know what he is
22:05.30JeffM2501what mac does he have?
22:05.45blast007ah, thought you were meaning what version of OS X
22:05.48JeffM2501I mean computer, not OSX
22:05.51blast007k
22:07.05JeffM2501is there anything wrong with this line?
22:07.05JeffM2501$action =  $_REQUEST["action"];
22:07.40blast007hmm, let me check
22:09.01blast007that should work
22:09.10JeffM2501it says unexpected \"
22:09.17JeffM2501if I do it with ' it gives me
22:09.22JeffM2501Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_ENCAPSED_AND_WHITESPACE, expecting T_STRING or T_VARIABLE or T_NUM_STRING in /var/www/weblogin.php on line 142
22:09.41blast007probably an issue on line above it
22:09.45blast007on a line*
22:09.50JeffM2501if ( array_key_exists('action', $_REQUEST) )
22:09.50JeffM2501$action =  $_REQUEST['action'];
22:10.06blast007hmmm
22:10.14JeffM2501becore that is
22:10.14JeffM2501$listServerURL = 'http://my.bzflag.org/db/';
22:10.19JeffM2501and some comments
22:10.49JeffM2501want the php file?
22:10.50blast007what is on line 142?
22:10.52blast007sure
22:11.01JeffM2501the $action = one
22:11.06blast007k
22:11.13SportyGal~JeffM2501++
22:11.42JeffM2501http://my.bzflag.org/temp/weblogin.zip
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22:14.19blast007hrm, I'll have to look at that later, won't be here for a while
22:14.37JeffM2501k
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22:16.31Shadowpillarquestion, hw do you go into "roaming" mode?
22:16.35Shadowpillarhow*
22:16.38brad2901F8
22:17.05brad2901F8 cycles through the different observer modes
22:17.32blast007JeffM2501: one thing, you need a closing curly brace after #mysql_close($link);
22:17.47JeffM2501ahhh
22:17.51blast007and I narrowed it down to an issue in action_webvalidate, but that's all I can do for now
22:17.52JeffM2501that's ccode riped from list server
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22:20.38ShadowRagebrad2901: doesn't seem to work
22:21.00SportyGalrun, brlcad, run!  or you'll get licked
22:21.01brad2901ShadowRage: Check your key mapping.
22:21.12brad2901somewhere in options :)
22:21.23ShadowRagef9 and f10 zoom in and out
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22:23.37CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (GameKeeper.cxx GameKeeper.h bzfs.cxx): Fixing map mismatch bug (at least I hope)
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22:46.39brain0does anyone use bzflag with newest nvidia drivers?
22:49.33Tuponenewest? number ?
22:50.13codsI've some problem with (latest?) 1.0.7667 on Linux.
22:50.16codsbrain0: why you ask ?
22:50.46TuponeI work perfectly with 7667
22:50.58TuponeI think I work perfectly
22:51.50codshere, anything with animation while playing bzflag, for example bzflag or winamp (just small graph) or flash animation in firefox,.. make bzflag freeze for some seconds.
22:52.05codsI've to kill gkrellm, xmms (not winamp, duh), and so on.
22:52.14codsit's the only GL game that do that however.
22:52.20JeffM2501it the graphics or the cpu?
22:52.27codsquake3, doom3, et,.. all work nicely.
22:52.34JeffM250177.72 is the lastest driers tho
22:52.55codsin my case, it's really related to gfx, not cpu (I know what is running on the machine)
22:52.55JeffM2501oh
22:52.57JeffM2501not for you tho
22:52.58JeffM2501sorry
22:54.17codsI will be happy when I will found how to fix that..
22:54.36codsI had to make a script that first kill some app, run bzflag, then restart previous apps :/
22:55.06codsdunno if problem come from X11 itself, from GL nvidia driver or from bzflag (sdl related maybe)
22:56.21ShadowRagesometimes bzflag locks up on start with me
22:56.26ShadowRagehave to go into a console and kill it
22:57.10JeffM2501isn't linux fun :0
22:58.50TuponeShadowRage: linux?
22:58.59Tuponeand 2.0.2
23:00.06ShadowRageyep
23:00.40Tuponethen is fixed in 2.03 hopefully.
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23:05.25ShadowRagebecause ubuntu is still at 1.10
23:05.43ShadowRagezsnes 1.36 is still in ubuntu
23:05.47ShadowRageit's at 1.42
23:05.55ShadowRage1.36 is ass-old
23:16.30CIA-3BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (include/NetHandler.h src/game/NetHandler.cxx):
23:16.30CIA-3BZFlag: store the string returned by Address::getDotNotation in NetHandler since otherwise it gets destroyed at the end of NetHandler::getTargetIP, and comes up as gibberish
23:16.30CIA-3BZFlag: This fixes the global login issue on some windows systems (e.g. wegstar, tropican8, etc)
23:17.15brain0sorry, was away ...
23:17.28brain0since 7667 bzflag doesn't work anymore
23:18.05brain0black screen, with nothing but "All ... ..." on it, no main menu, only SIGKILL ends it
23:18.11brain0no error messages
23:18.13JeffM2501is it 14 time dtr?
23:18.46DTRemenakJeffM2501: your stuff done?
23:20.01brain0wow, a miracle, it works ...
23:20.04JeffM2501DTRemenak, I had stuff?
23:20.15DTRemenakJeffM2501: thought you said something about plugins
23:20.18brain0what the f...
23:20.22brain0well, thx anyway
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23:20.30JeffM2501ohh dude that plugin took me like 10 min to make
23:23.31DTRemenakheh, ok whatever
23:23.52DTRemenakyeah I don't have anything else to do with it
23:25.02DTRemenakhehe
23:25.12JeffM2501"my OS dosn't have any viruses"...
23:25.25JeffM2501BS, they exist, just noone cares about the little comptuers.
23:25.57JeffM2501there arn't any viruses on nextstep, I don't see them parading around :)
23:27.29JeffM2501tho I do wonder how hard it's going to be to triboot one of the x86 macs when they come out :)
23:27.43DTRemenakprobably not very
23:28.11JeffM2501I read somewhere that some devs had an easy time installing XP on an intel dev mac
23:28.21JeffM2501the only thing it didn't do was detect the display correctly
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23:28.33JeffM2501and it was a 30 inch apple display, it dosn't detect correctly on many macs
23:29.46blast007JeffM2501: did you find the problem withe the PHP script?
23:29.51JeffM2501no I did not
23:30.07blast007$redirURL = $URL . '?username=' . $username . "&token=' . $token;
23:30.18blast007specifically, "&token='
23:30.25JeffM2501ohh mixed
23:30.26JeffM2501ok
23:30.29JeffM2501let me fix
23:31.05JeffM2501I fixed the } at the bottom tho
23:31.14blast007k
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23:34.31JeffM2501whoooohoo, it's sorta workin :)
23:34.44DTRemenakheh
23:35.09CIA-3BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: enable alpha and blending for underline drawing so the menus don't look all funky when underline killer highlight is on
23:36.52foo-on-fireJeffM2501: you asked what "computer" i have. i have an eMac G4
23:42.24JeffM2501then the last binary I posted was made for a G4
23:42.35JeffM2501shoudl have the same optimisations
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23:44.44foo-on-fireJeffM2501: well i added a bunch more optimizations like -mpowerpc-gfxopt and -O3 and -ffast-math
23:44.50foo-on-firemaybe those helped too
23:44.59JeffM2501fun
23:50.25JeffM2501hmmm I think my form is jacked
23:50.50JeffM2501if you go here, then put info in, it then says it can't find the URL field
23:50.51JeffM2501http://my.bzflag.org/weblogin.php?action=weblogin&url=my.bflag.org
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23:55.04JeffM2501is it post or get that puts the paramaters in the URL?
23:58.57DTRemenakget
23:59.12JeffM2501hmm wonder why the heck it isn't passing my params in then
23:59.29JeffM2501ohh I see
23:59.31DTRemenak<PROTECTED>
23:59.32JeffM2501I did ID not name
23:59.35DTRemenaklooks like it works
23:59.42JeffM2501if you submit it dosn't
23:59.44DTRemenakah

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