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| 00:01.25 | ProfChaos | sup home dogs? |
| 00:01.46 | JeffM2501 | umm hello |
| 00:02.14 | brlcad | woof |
| 00:02.48 | CBG | hi |
| 00:03.56 | Aribeth | hello |
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| 00:14.08 | CBG | how do you change the permissions on a file again? |
| 00:14.19 | CBG | hes getting a "permision denied" messgae |
| 00:14.32 | Aribeth | chmod |
| 00:14.49 | CBG | what exactly would be the line? |
| 00:15.00 | Aribeth | chmod xxx file |
| 00:15.31 | Aribeth | chmod owner group world file |
| 00:15.47 | Aribeth | ex. chmod 755 foo |
| 00:16.07 | brlcad | man chmod |
| 00:16.32 | CBG | what gives you full permissions? 777? |
| 00:16.36 | Aribeth | man is your freind |
| 00:16.45 | Aribeth | yes |
| 00:16.46 | brlcad | that's one of those fundamentals that you should read up on if you use a *nix box |
| 00:16.55 | Aribeth | yes |
| 00:17.14 | Aribeth | 777 can be dangerous |
| 00:17.30 | Aribeth | depending on what the file is |
| 00:17.44 | Aribeth | read up on chmod :) |
| 00:17.54 | CBG | grml |
| 00:17.56 | JeffM2501 | mac kids don't READ |
| 00:17.59 | JeffM2501 | they click |
| 00:18.02 | CBG | heh |
| 00:18.04 | Aribeth | heh |
| 00:18.05 | JeffM2501 | right click the file |
| 00:18.11 | JeffM2501 | hit is properities |
| 00:18.23 | JeffM2501 | ohh your on an ibook |
| 00:18.24 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 00:18.29 | JeffM2501 | ctrl click it |
| 00:18.49 | CBG | heh |
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| 00:24.16 | CBG | a-delusion: here... |
| 00:24.22 | a-delusion | Phil-Matous-Computer:~ philmatous$ /users/philmatous/desktop/bzfs dyld: /users/philmatous/desktop/bzfs can't open library: @executable_path/../Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL (No such file or directory, errno = 2) |
| 00:24.28 | a-delusion | thats the error |
| 00:24.35 | CBG | error when running the new bzfs |
| 00:24.40 | CBG | missing SDL? |
| 00:24.50 | CBG | or libcurl? or both? |
| 00:24.59 | blast007 | hrm...why would bzfs need SDL? |
| 00:25.18 | a-delusion | i get libcurl error every time i start a server |
| 00:26.01 | CBG | heh... |
| 00:26.05 | CBG | so what is it then? |
| 00:26.58 | blast007 | you need libcurl at least |
| 00:27.00 | a-delusion | it's two lost pupies |
| 00:27.28 | a-delusion | i think my libcurl is installed improperly |
| 00:27.29 | CBG | k. i have a link |
| 00:27.31 | CBG | a-delusion: http://curl.haxx.se/download.html |
| 00:27.39 | a-delusion | ive been there |
| 00:27.51 | CBG | ...? |
| 00:28.24 | blast007 | http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/curl-ssl |
| 00:28.31 | blast007 | oh wair |
| 00:28.33 | blast007 | wait* |
| 00:28.55 | blast007 | don't need SSL: http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/curl |
| 00:30.17 | a-delusion | ok got that |
| 00:30.27 | CBG | now try again. ;) |
| 00:30.50 | a-delusion | old on.... |
| 00:32.07 | a-delusion | wait am i geting fink or libcurl |
| 00:32.17 | a-delusion | i got fink |
| 00:32.26 | CBG | libcurl |
| 00:32.29 | CBG | uh |
| 00:34.54 | blast007 | you can get libcurl through fink |
| 00:36.29 | a-delusion | downloading slowly............ |
| 00:39.36 | a-delusion | still 90 secs |
| 00:42.07 | a-delusion | seems like it stopped... almost |
| 00:45.44 | a-delusion | ok |
| 00:45.48 | a-delusion | still here |
| 00:46.33 | CBG | ... :( |
| 00:46.42 | a-delusion | what |
| 00:46.43 | CBG | its done? |
| 00:46.50 | a-delusion | downloaded |
| 00:46.54 | CBG | ok |
| 00:47.06 | CBG | so now I think you can try bzfs again |
| 00:48.07 | a-delusion | i cant even get curl installed |
| 00:48.22 | CBG | gah |
| 00:49.02 | a-delusion | working on it... |
| 00:49.43 | a-delusion | ok one part didnt expand for some reason |
| 00:50.44 | CBG | sorry. i cant really help |
| 00:50.59 | a-delusion | gettin it now... |
| 00:51.45 | brlcad | that error seems very bogus |
| 00:51.54 | brlcad | bzfs should definitely not be dependant upon sdl |
| 00:52.26 | brlcad | that exec path is where the bzflag client is supposed to search |
| 00:52.36 | brlcad | someone messed up an xcode build maybe? |
| 00:53.06 | a-delusion | someone? who would that be? |
| 00:53.15 | brlcad | i dunno |
| 00:53.16 | brlcad | you? :) |
| 00:53.41 | brlcad | try not using xcode to build |
| 00:54.01 | brlcad | follow the readme instructions for building on unix if bzfs is what you want |
| 00:54.05 | CBG | I ddint. it gace me erros. |
| 00:54.14 | blast007 | http://www.kaziaz.com/stuff/error.pdf |
| 00:54.17 | CBG | :) |
| 00:54.30 | brlcad | pdf?? |
| 00:54.47 | CBG | what? |
| 00:54.53 | CBG | its a screenshot. :) |
| 00:55.06 | a-delusion | i think i got it |
| 00:55.12 | brlcad | that's an error for BZFlag .. that's not bzfs |
| 00:55.17 | a-delusion | probbly not though |
| 00:55.43 | brlcad | and how that dependency snuck in is suspicious |
| 00:55.55 | brlcad | sounds like you or someone has modified the project |
| 00:56.17 | CBG | yeah |
| 00:56.19 | CBG | RPG has. |
| 00:56.39 | a-delusion | so i have curl installed??? |
| 00:56.54 | brlcad | well, he messed up :) |
| 00:57.05 | a-delusion | yeah |
| 00:57.10 | brlcad | what was wrong with the default project? |
| 00:57.16 | brlcad | it should not have required modification |
| 00:57.34 | brlcad | cept maybe to add a new library of some sort |
| 00:57.35 | CBG | he was adding a "Race to 7 caps" thing to bzfs |
| 00:57.50 | brlcad | still, that shouldn't require modifying the xcode project itself |
| 00:58.06 | a-delusion | trying to improve gameplay as opposed to more and more and more maps |
| 00:58.14 | brlcad | he changed the xcode project itslef, not just the server |
| 00:58.58 | CBG | he only changed one file |
| 00:59.06 | CBG | but maybe that affected the xcode |
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| 01:05.44 | a-delusion | dyld: /users/philmatous/desktop/bzfs can't open library: @executable_path/../Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL (No such file or directory, errno = 2) |
| 01:06.22 | a-delusion | what does it all mean? don't even try to explain.... |
| 01:07.31 | brlcad | why do you have bzfs on your desktop?? |
| 01:07.42 | CBG | brlcad: does it matter? |
| 01:07.44 | brlcad | that's not where it build it |
| 01:07.51 | blast007 | he didn't build it |
| 01:07.56 | blast007 | CBG did, and sent it to him |
| 01:07.57 | CBG | brlcad: this is a new, modified bzfs |
| 01:08.00 | brlcad | ah |
| 01:08.16 | brlcad | well, then cbg's build is linking it incorrectly |
| 01:08.23 | CBG | heh :) |
| 01:08.30 | CBG | I might have known it was me |
| 01:09.06 | brlcad | did you pull the bzfs out of the bzflag.app bundle or something? |
| 01:09.57 | brlcad | purple_cow: when you arriving? |
| 01:10.09 | brlcad | and when's scanline potentially arriving sat? :) |
| 01:10.19 | blast007 | I don't think he even built the .app |
| 01:10.31 | CBG | no. :) |
| 01:10.44 | CBG | he is here too. ;) |
| 01:11.06 | a-delusion | yes |
| 01:11.09 | a-delusion | es here |
| 01:12.30 | purple_cow | brlcad: my plane gets in at 8:40 local |
| 01:12.36 | brlcad | am? |
| 01:12.46 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 01:12.50 | brlcad | eek ;) |
| 01:13.10 | purple_cow | and i guess we're planning on a shindig that night, so scanline won't miss any work despite the 6 hour drive ;) |
| 01:13.16 | brlcad | well, yeah.. you'll definitely be there before me.. i'd have to leave at like 2am for that |
| 01:13.44 | brlcad | purple_cow: he's of course more than welcome to crash at our place |
| 01:14.05 | brlcad | especially if he's willing to chauffer |
| 01:14.07 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:15.12 | purple_cow | i'll let him know |
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| 01:16.15 | brlcad | speak of the meister |
| 01:16.25 | brlcad | JeffM2501: any thoughts on a time? |
| 01:18.37 | JeffM2501 | I prety much have the entire 2 days open |
| 01:19.10 | brlcad | we pretty much just have saturday afternoon/evening and maybe sunday night open ;) |
| 01:19.16 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:19.25 | brlcad | saturday seems to be working, I'd stick with that |
| 01:19.28 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:19.35 | JeffM2501 | fine by mee |
| 01:19.43 | JeffM2501 | gives me sunday to recover |
| 01:20.04 | brlcad | maybe plan on 6-10ish someplace |
| 01:20.28 | brlcad | or 8-10, whatever |
| 01:22.07 | JeffM2501 | I say 6 to 10 ! :) |
| 01:22.35 | brlcad | 6pm till 10am, got it |
| 01:22.43 | JeffM2501 | done and done! |
| 01:25.41 | CBG | not 6AM to 10PM? |
| 01:26.14 | brlcad | bars aren't open that early |
| 01:26.33 | CBG | well, the times overlap... ;) |
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| 01:27.15 | CBG | RPG_ help A-D!! |
| 01:27.20 | RPG_ | is he on? |
| 01:27.24 | RPG_ | yes :) |
| 01:27.29 | RPG_ | CBG: can you do a return favor? |
| 01:27.36 | RPG_ | /join #masterbot |
| 01:27.43 | CBG | eh? |
| 01:27.45 | RPG_ | just do it |
| 01:27.50 | CBG | a return favour? |
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| 01:27.53 | RPG | yes |
| 01:28.00 | CBG | Im already ddoing YOU the favour.... |
| 01:28.05 | RPG | oh you are? |
| 01:28.08 | CBG | heh |
| 01:28.10 | RPG | that's right... |
| 01:28.13 | RPG | well can you do another? |
| 01:28.24 | CBG | :) |
| 01:28.57 | RPG | blasted :) |
| 01:29.06 | CBG | ahh... you b&st*rd |
| 01:29.18 | a-delusion | what you need just ask, i wont be able to do it but... |
| 01:29.18 | RPG | does anyone here know how to manipulate ChanServ? |
| 01:29.21 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, we can m ake our own bar! |
| 01:29.43 | RPG | lol |
| 01:29.53 | RPG | so a-d did you get my windows build? |
| 01:30.00 | CBG | RPG: to make someone op, /msg chanserv OP #channel RPG |
| 01:30.14 | brlcad | JeffM2501: =) yes! |
| 01:30.17 | CBG | that makes you op on #channel |
| 01:30.17 | a-delusion | yes i got it rpg |
| 01:30.24 | bryjen | vertical or horizontal? |
| 01:30.26 | RPG | CBG: will it make you op every time you sign in? |
| 01:30.31 | RPG | a-delusion: did you test it |
| 01:30.43 | CBG | uhm. not. I forget how to do that. |
| 01:30.52 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.55 | CBG | :) |
| 01:31.03 | a-delusion | i suppose i could get my windoze machine..... but im totally mac |
| 01:31.18 | a-delusion | id have to learn all the windoze commands |
| 01:31.28 | RPG | righto |
| 01:31.34 | RPG | can you compile stuff? |
| 01:31.45 | a-delusion | ive been using macs longer than cbs has been alive |
| 01:32.02 | a-delusion | nnot really, im trying now for the first time |
| 01:32.12 | RPG | which is better: <font size="3"> Asynchronous or </font> <font size="3"> synchronous bus archetecture?</font> |
| 01:32.24 | a-delusion | async |
| 01:32.33 | RPG | gotcha |
| 01:32.41 | a-delusion | njust a guess |
| 01:32.53 | a-delusion | didnt really think about it |
| 01:33.14 | a-delusion | nthought you were talking of mac's bidirectional bus |
| 01:33.19 | CBG | RPG: please please don't use <font> tags! |
| 01:33.59 | a-delusion | ok i got this package manager..... |
| 01:34.44 | RPG | i didn't try to |
| 01:34.47 | RPG | it was copy and paste |
| 01:35.11 | CBG | where from? |
| 01:35.24 | RPG | the VIA website |
| 01:35.27 | RPG | i was checking out a new mobo |
| 01:35.33 | CBG | eh |
| 01:37.12 | bryjen | ~spell archetecture |
| 01:38.09 | blast007 | ~dict Asynchronous |
| 01:38.14 | blast007 | ~dict synchronous |
| 01:38.26 | RPG_ | gotcah |
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| 01:51.27 | RPG_ | huh? |
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| 02:04.23 | SportChick | JeffM2501: so 6pm on Saturday. Where exactly are we meeting? |
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| 02:19.14 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, citywalk |
| 02:19.33 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I know that - but citywalk is a big place |
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| 02:20.19 | JeffM2501 | well I say at the front |
| 02:20.23 | JeffM2501 | then we all figure out where to go |
| 02:21.24 | brlcad | there's a recipe for indecision :) |
| 02:21.33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 02:21.36 | SportChick | and "the front" depends on where you park |
| 02:21.37 | JeffM2501 | what kinda food then? |
| 02:21.45 | JeffM2501 | there is teh big world ball thingy |
| 02:21.57 | brlcad | i eat just about anything |
| 02:22.14 | JeffM2501 | gladstones? |
| 02:22.18 | brlcad | no uber-touristy place |
| 02:22.23 | JeffM2501 | tony romas? |
| 02:22.30 | JeffM2501 | buka |
| 02:22.48 | brlcad | i know not of this foreign language you speak |
| 02:22.54 | brlcad | cept tony romas pizza |
| 02:22.57 | JeffM2501 | buka de pepos |
| 02:22.57 | zoly | orchid: that's very useful indeed, thank you. |
| 02:23.07 | JeffM2501 | gladstones is a seafood place |
| 02:23.11 | JeffM2501 | buka is italian |
| 02:23.13 | SportChick | http://www.citywalkhollywood.com/dining_restaurants.html |
| 02:23.55 | brlcad | mm.. a cantina! |
| 02:24.50 | brlcad | ahh, that romas is a ribs place |
| 02:24.56 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 02:28.55 | brlcad | if I had to pick five (and of course I don't), my top would be wasabi, shanghai, gladstone, cantina, or the brewery |
| 02:28.58 | SportChick | Gladstones is indeed, good |
| 02:29.06 | SportChick | wasabi sounds yummy. |
| 02:29.25 | SportChick | brlcad: I'd agree with your first 4. |
| 02:29.41 | brlcad | okay, so one down :) |
| 02:30.31 | brlcad | if jeff, dtremenak and purple_cow all knock one off, we'll be down to 1 ;) |
| 02:31.02 | SportChick | hehe |
| 02:31.57 | zoly | no "bill's bargain food recycling palace" ? |
| 02:33.07 | zoly | "catchpenny delicicies" |
| 02:33.51 | brlcad | me too, but that doesn't help us pick :) |
| 02:35.21 | zoly | "nickel and dime tasty grub" |
| 02:36.58 | brlcad | heh, that was quick :) |
| 02:37.26 | SportChick | so, we're down to wasabi, shanghai & gladstones |
| 02:38.27 | brlcad | yep -- down to raw fish, noodles, or cooked fish |
| 02:39.17 | SportChick | javascript:launchPopUp('ucw3dmap'); |
| 02:39.21 | SportChick | hrm |
| 02:39.21 | SportChick | sorry |
| 02:39.36 | SportChick | click on take a tour: http://www.citywalkhollywood.com/groupsales/home/index.php |
| 02:41.38 | brlcad | gladstones is actually looking better.. wasabi looks pretty small |
| 02:41.45 | brlcad | and gladstones serves sushi too |
| 02:42.26 | brlcad | "lobster, raw bar, chowder, fish, sushi, salads, steaks, sandwiches,.." |
| 02:43.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: CURL gets chatty at debugLevel >= 4 |
| 02:43.37 | purple_cow | PCH? |
| 02:43.44 | brlcad | ~fling at SportChick |
| 02:43.44 | ibot | ACTION flings source code at SportChick |
| 02:43.52 | brlcad | pacific coast highway |
| 02:44.00 | SportChick | pacific coast highway |
| 02:44.08 | brlcad | route 1 |
| 02:44.16 | brlcad | ? |
| 02:44.40 | brlcad | yeah, route 1 and 101 |
| 02:45.00 | SportChick | it's route 1 |
| 02:45.07 | SportChick | in palisades/malibu |
| 02:45.29 | brlcad | hmmm |
| 02:45.38 | zoly | if a player leaves a /report, and i'd like to react to that report, is there a way to pass him a message without watching and remembering the list of current players ? something he receives automagically when that player logs in ? |
| 02:45.46 | brlcad | now it rings a bell.. I've been to gladstones up near malibu I believe |
| 02:45.48 | brlcad | good place |
| 02:45.52 | SportChick | yup |
| 02:45.57 | SportChick | great clam chowder |
| 02:46.20 | brlcad | zoly: nope |
| 02:46.53 | zoly | thus i need to create a sort of check list, with the replies, and type those when the player logs in ? |
| 02:47.34 | zoly | or check whether player has a bzbb account, and reply there. |
| 02:49.07 | brlcad | or modify bzfs to have some sort of messaging capability ;) |
| 02:49.38 | zoly | though i am a coder, i am rubbish with c or c++ |
| 02:50.19 | brlcad | we've been on-topic! |
| 02:50.21 | JeffM2501 | PLUGIN!!!! |
| 02:50.25 | SportChick | hehe |
| 02:50.28 | brlcad | bz get-together isn't on-topic? :) |
| 02:50.43 | purple_cow | food is always on topic for me |
| 02:50.53 | SportChick | http://www.gladstones.com/html/home.html |
| 02:51.08 | SportChick | not unless someone changes the topic line above |
| 02:52.10 | zoly | you know that there was a time that about 50 % of soviet tanks were said to be out of commission because their hydraulics worked on alcohol ? |
| 02:53.12 | zoly | (which the crew liked) |
| 02:53.23 | zoly | they drank their tanks empty |
| 02:59.11 | JeffM2501 | so what is your language of choice? |
| 03:01.51 | JeffM2501 | the coder |
| 03:02.18 | purple_cow | heh |
| 03:02.37 | zoly | me ? |
| 03:02.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:02.55 | zoly | i tend to use assembly language, and like Forth a lot |
| 03:03.03 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 03:03.07 | zoly | doing embedded stuff |
| 03:03.35 | JeffM2501 | then that would be why :) |
| 03:04.05 | zoly | C is pretty crude for some of those environments |
| 03:04.27 | trepan | C is pretty common for embedded code |
| 03:04.46 | JeffM2501 | know it's used a lot in cell |
| 03:04.51 | zoly | thinking of cases of programmable devices with about 80 bytes programmable code space left ... |
| 03:05.20 | JeffM2501 | those devices need to be redesigned |
| 03:05.40 | zoly | why ? you need low end and high end |
| 03:05.52 | zoly | redesign because of C not suited for those ? |
| 03:06.12 | zoly | the alternative is to use more suited languages |
| 03:06.17 | JeffM2501 | because 80 bytes is lame :) |
| 03:06.32 | zoly | if it is sufficient, why put more in ? |
| 03:06.43 | JeffM2501 | so it can play MP3s |
| 03:07.20 | JeffM2501 | I find your lack of vision disturbing |
| 03:08.42 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:08.44 | zoly | wrist watches may need redesign too |
| 03:08.49 | JeffM2501 | totaly |
| 03:09.00 | zoly | so that they can be fixed or built with hammers |
| 03:09.05 | zoly | too filigrane stuff |
| 03:09.06 | JeffM2501 | watches should have a least a gig of flash memory and bluetooth |
| 03:09.36 | purple_cow | well, yeah, that would be cool |
| 03:09.46 | zoly | don't bother the tool. use standard hammers. modify the object you're using the tool on ... |
| 03:10.06 | JeffM2501 | that's what hammers do :) |
| 03:10.20 | zoly | everybody his own church clock in his pocket. |
| 03:10.23 | JeffM2501 | and code is not a hammer |
| 03:10.30 | zoly | but C is |
| 03:10.35 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 03:10.37 | JeffM2501 | it's a language |
| 03:10.42 | zoly | it is a tool |
| 03:10.53 | zoly | the compiler is |
| 03:10.54 | JeffM2501 | many things are tools |
| 03:11.03 | zoly | c compilers are like hammers |
| 03:11.26 | JeffM2501 | that is your opinion |
| 03:11.41 | zoly | and yours is to modify unsuited devices so they fit C |
| 03:11.55 | JeffM2501 | never said it was anything but |
| 03:12.21 | zoly | <JeffM2501> those devices need to be redesigned |
| 03:12.28 | JeffM2501 | that is my opinion |
| 03:13.09 | JeffM2501 | c does what it does |
| 03:13.13 | JeffM2501 | just like asembly does |
| 03:13.13 | zoly | well, i tend to do those projects which are unsuited for C |
| 03:13.22 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
| 03:13.26 | zoly | if they wouldn't be, i would be out of work |
| 03:13.37 | JeffM2501 | or you'd just have to suck it up and learn a new language |
| 03:13.47 | zoly | most coders do C |
| 03:13.53 | JeffM2501 | C++ actualy |
| 03:13.54 | zoly | so why should i need to |
| 03:13.55 | JeffM2501 | and python |
| 03:14.15 | zoly | go with the rest |
| 03:14.18 | zoly | use windows .. |
| 03:14.24 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 03:14.32 | zoly | that's what everybody does |
| 03:14.38 | zoly | like, using C to code with |
| 03:14.40 | JeffM2501 | C was made for unix |
| 03:14.49 | zoly | true |
| 03:14.49 | JeffM2501 | I use many OSs |
| 03:14.51 | JeffM2501 | they are TOOLS |
| 03:14.58 | zoly | i refer to "going with the rest" |
| 03:15.10 | JeffM2501 | so you use an amiga? |
| 03:15.25 | zoly | no |
| 03:15.36 | JeffM2501 | why not |
| 03:15.38 | zoly | had one though |
| 03:15.38 | JeffM2501 | noone uses those |
| 03:15.44 | JeffM2501 | you'd be like in your own demographic |
| 03:15.47 | JeffM2501 | you'd be set man :) |
| 03:16.21 | zoly | if you want to ridicule me for my decisions, that's your choice |
| 03:16.30 | JeffM2501 | ohh I'm just kidding |
| 03:16.33 | JeffM2501 | lighten up man :0 |
| 03:17.25 | zoly | or do i need to apologize to you for not using C on devices where it would be unsuited ? |
| 03:17.45 | JeffM2501 | why would you have to do that? |
| 03:17.53 | JeffM2501 | sorry didn'tk now I was insulting your religon |
| 03:19.04 | zoly | religion ? |
| 03:19.10 | zoly | i'm agnost |
| 03:19.31 | zoly | is C your religion ? |
| 03:19.38 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 03:19.54 | zoly | so how come you link programming languages to religion ? |
| 03:20.16 | JeffM2501 | seems you get upset when people talk about what youd |
| 03:20.28 | JeffM2501 | just the way you seem to defend it when people are just kidding |
| 03:20.56 | zoly | why do you escape the answer on my question ? |
| 03:21.04 | JeffM2501 | I didn't |
| 03:21.07 | JeffM2501 | I answerd it |
| 03:21.18 | zoly | <zoly> so how come you link programming languages to religion ? |
| 03:21.20 | zoly | <JeffM2501> seems you get upset when people talk about what youd... |
| 03:21.27 | JeffM2501 | the second line skip |
| 03:21.31 | zoly | that's a way to answer |
| 03:22.21 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 03:22.32 | zoly | and then claim you answered it |
| 03:22.41 | zoly | you're inconsistent |
| 03:22.44 | JeffM2501 | I told you why |
| 03:22.48 | JeffM2501 | never said wasn't :) |
| 03:22.57 | zoly | i think you like to provocate people, for the fun of it |
| 03:22.58 | mofo | ... |
| 03:23.03 | JeffM2501 | LOL |
| 03:23.07 | JeffM2501 | you don't know me son |
| 03:23.14 | JeffM2501 | so I'll tell you this once |
| 03:23.21 | JeffM2501 | when I povoke you |
| 03:23.26 | JeffM2501 | you'll be aware of it |
| 03:23.40 | JeffM2501 | and able to defend yourself |
| 03:23.44 | zoly | as it happened. |
| 03:24.25 | bryjen | ~dict provocate |
| 03:24.34 | JeffM2501 | I was making the comment because you seemed to defend your language and choices as if it was like a religon, that is all. |
| 03:24.57 | JeffM2501 | does that spell it out enough for you? |
| 03:25.01 | zoly | i didn't defend anything, i answered the question why i use it. |
| 03:25.09 | JeffM2501 | then fair enough |
| 03:25.30 | zoly | when you started to make a point of it that the devices i use it for need redesign |
| 03:25.39 | JeffM2501 | I stated my opinopn |
| 03:25.41 | zoly | go on, redesign them. |
| 03:25.50 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow even said one would be cool :) |
| 03:27.02 | bryjen | he said he "doesn't need to toaster to play mp3s" |
| 03:27.13 | bryjen | probly 'cause his fridge does ;) |
| 03:27.16 | purple_cow | a watch where i can wirelessly store data instead of carrying around an extra usb stick? damn straight it would be cool |
| 03:27.27 | JeffM2501 | see :) |
| 03:27.45 | JeffM2501 | I want my microwave to send me an IM when the burito is done too :) |
| 03:27.48 | bryjen | somebody makes one, but its u-s-b instead of bluetoothed |
| 03:27.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah think geek has it |
| 03:28.15 | JeffM2501 | my next phone will probably have a mem stick slot and bluetooth for that reason |
| 03:28.19 | JeffM2501 | a watch woudl be cool tho |
| 03:28.25 | purple_cow | oh, the other requirement is that it's no bigger than my current watch |
| 03:28.33 | purple_cow | which is probably possible nowadays |
| 03:28.54 | JeffM2501 | I just find that limiting the desing of a device to the one application you have in mind is stupid, there may be other uses that other people may come up with later |
| 03:29.02 | JeffM2501 | but I can understand your point of view as well |
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| 03:29.06 | JeffM2501 | why put more in then you need |
| 03:29.14 | JeffM2501 | when the odds are it's never going to be moded |
| 03:29.41 | purple_cow | bryjen: well, an hdd *pocket* watch could be neat :) |
| 03:29.57 | purple_cow | in my experience, when you start adding features to devices "just because", the devices get super crappy |
| 03:30.01 | purple_cow | like those combo PDA phones |
| 03:30.04 | purple_cow | no thanks |
| 03:30.09 | bryjen | no, no, the one envisioned was too big for for a pocket... |
| 03:30.21 | purple_cow | oh, a 3.5" drive? |
| 03:30.56 | bryjen | eh. mainly a visual joke on a wall-clock sized device |
| 03:31.30 | purple_cow | heh, not really :) |
| 03:31.40 | zoly | JeffM2501: btw, can you give me any example of where i "seemed to defend your language and choices as if it was like a religon" |
| 03:31.57 | bryjen | let it go... |
| 03:32.02 | zoly | cause i couldn't find one |
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| 03:34.32 | zoly | bryjen: i'd be glad to. but after a. provocation b. ridiculing there's possibly c: putting words into my mouth |
| 03:35.09 | JeffM2501 | zoly, when you asked if you shuld aplogoise for your choices |
| 03:35.13 | JeffM2501 | but dude really |
| 03:35.20 | JeffM2501 | I was just kidding |
| 03:35.50 | JeffM2501 | the not droping it when it's dead thing is kinda like it too |
| 03:35.58 | JeffM2501 | to me at least |
| 03:36.22 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, was there anything I had to finish before your release? |
| 03:37.52 | brlcad | pwd |
| 03:38.32 | JeffM2501 | bad unix password, please enter again |
| 03:38.58 | bryjen | again |
| 03:39.02 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 03:39.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I don't think so, no |
| 03:39.09 | JeffM2501 | so where are we meeting? |
| 03:39.17 | JeffM2501 | anyone decide on a place? |
| 03:39.24 | DTRemenak | unless you wanted to make the hunter scoreboard colors consistent |
| 03:39.43 | JeffM2501 | naw, aperantly I am inconsitent |
| 03:39.53 | DTRemenak | which would probably mean doin' the whole "embrace and extend" thing on the ansi codes :) |
| 03:40.03 | bryjen | ~spell inconsitent |
| 03:40.13 | DTRemenak | which we'd need to do anyway if we turn them into a Real Team (tm) |
| 03:40.45 | JeffM2501 | someday |
| 03:40.55 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 03:41.04 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, yeah sometimes I can't hold my pee :( |
| 03:41.37 | JeffM2501 | I've been to gladstones |
| 03:41.39 | JeffM2501 | it's good |
| 03:41.51 | JeffM2501 | if you are of the seafood fair |
| 03:41.55 | bryjen | that can't be right, sometimes you're just full of it... ;) |
| 03:42.13 | JeffM2501 | no that's not the pee |
| 03:42.16 | JeffM2501 | thats the other stuff |
| 03:42.24 | brlcad | it was down to gladstones, sushi, or noodles iirc |
| 03:42.25 | bryjen | oh, yeah |
| 03:42.40 | JeffM2501 | gladstones has sushi too |
| 03:43.01 | DTRemenak | I like all food |
| 03:43.21 | JeffM2501 | gladstones is large and airy, good for talking |
| 03:43.31 | JeffM2501 | sushi IIR is many bars |
| 03:43.34 | JeffM2501 | everyone in a line |
| 03:43.50 | brlcad | congo-line! |
| 03:44.17 | bryjen | watch where you're putting your fishy fingers! |
| 03:46.32 | bryjen | uhm, err |
| 03:56.09 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 03:56.12 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 77°F (11:50 PM EDT on July 25, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 74°F. UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 03:59.36 | SportChick | gnight all |
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| 05:56.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:56.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: complete Jeff's icky hunters-are-orange hack. |
| 05:56.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add an (extended) ANSI code entry for orange, well above the defined and reserved ranges. |
| 05:56.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: use the orange color for chat messages, callsigns on scoreboard, HUD score indicator etc. |
| 05:57.46 | purple_cow | a pumpkin? |
| 05:58.02 | DTRemenak | very orange. and round. and full of seeds. |
| 05:58.59 | DTRemenak | but mostly orange |
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| 08:39.13 | jpa- | Fallon_Dark: what does it say when you start bzflag? |
| 08:39.29 | jpa- | especially, does it say "Mesa GLX Indirect" in the console window? |
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| 12:29.05 | CBG | a-delusion! |
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| 12:43.14 | CBG | DTRemenak!! :( |
| 12:49.43 | Fallon_Dark | Sorry for the delay ipa-, no it does not say that |
| 12:56.26 | jpa- | hm |
| 12:56.31 | jpa- | i'm no ipa! |
| 12:56.36 | jpa- | :) |
| 12:57.20 | CBG | :D |
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| 13:07.11 | Thumper_ | trepan: ping |
| 13:07.20 | CBG | Yo Thumper_ :) |
| 13:07.25 | Thumper_ | hi CBG |
| 13:07.41 | Aribeth | hi Thumper_ |
| 13:07.46 | Thumper_ | hi :) |
| 13:11.27 | CBG | So, don't you lot have jobs? |
| 13:12.36 | Pimpi | menotume: ping |
| 13:12.43 | Aribeth | i did 3 months ago |
| 13:15.32 | CBG | Ah, the joys of being able to stay up till 3 AM and sleep in till 1PM :D |
| 13:16.40 | Aribeth | i was up till 2:30 then up at 8:30 |
| 13:16.42 | Aribeth | :( |
| 13:16.56 | CBG | heh :P |
| 13:17.12 | Aribeth | not enough sleep |
| 13:20.54 | menotume | Pimpi: pong |
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| 13:21.22 | CBG | yo grumbler |
| 13:21.29 | brad2901 | Can anyone tell me what's wrong with:sendMessage(ServerPlayer, AllPlayers, "Red team: %s", bz_getTeamWins(RedTeam)); |
| 13:21.33 | Grumbler | wow, that was quick |
| 13:21.36 | Grumbler | morning |
| 13:22.04 | Grumbler | brad2901< this is plugin stuff? |
| 13:22.23 | brad2901 | Grumbler: no, in commands.cxx |
| 13:22.24 | menotume | ya, you can't do: "Red team: %s", bz_getTeamWins(RedTeam) |
| 13:22.33 | brad2901 | oh |
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| 13:22.40 | brad2901 | what can I do? :) |
| 13:22.48 | menotume | make a string first, then pass it to sendMEssage |
| 13:23.01 | brad2901 | ok.. |
| 13:23.06 | brad2901 | I'll try that |
| 13:23.29 | menotume | unfortunately, i'm not a c++ person either |
| 13:23.41 | RatOmeter | got a non-bz network question, probably simple. |
| 13:23.43 | RatOmeter | am I right that a crimp tool suitable for cat5 will work for a regular cat6 connector? |
| 13:24.02 | CBG | guys, a-delusion got errors trying to make: http://pastebin.ca/18525 |
| 13:24.39 | A-Delusion | prob not on the crimptool |
| 13:25.05 | A-Delusion | but if the shoe fits.... |
| 13:25.41 | menotume | looks like he needs SDL headers |
| 13:26.05 | CBG | is that bad? lol |
| 13:26.30 | A-Delusion | the autoheader command worked |
| 13:27.02 | CBG | i dunno if thats even related |
| 13:27.08 | CBG | menotume: what do we need to do? |
| 13:27.24 | _Manu_ | brad2901, you can see bzfs.cxx and commands.cxx for learning how to use sendMessage() |
| 13:27.25 | menotume | install them :) |
| 13:27.40 | menotume | install sdl_dev package i guess |
| 13:27.58 | A-Delusion | ok.... im getting real close |
| 13:30.35 | brad2901 | _Manu_: thanks :) |
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| 13:46.52 | RatOmeter | in case anyone cares, any RJ45 crimp tool should work for cat6 connectors, except maybe for some proprietary designs |
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| 13:53.41 | Grumbler | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html |
| 13:54.28 | Chestal | the streams are _very_ slow for me |
| 13:54.50 | Grumbler | its that whole, "crossing the water" thing |
| 13:54.55 | Grumbler | :) |
| 13:55.08 | Chestal | and the silly stream unicasting |
| 13:55.15 | Grumbler | and besides, the shuttle is still running on vaccuum tube technology |
| 13:55.21 | Chestal | which cannot work by design |
| 13:55.55 | Grumbler | 35 minute hold, bummer |
| 13:56.05 | Chestal | T-9 hold? |
| 13:56.15 | Chestal | that's scheduled then |
| 13:56.18 | TheRedBaron | Chestal: I live in Florida, i think i can get you in with NASA :) |
| 13:56.19 | Grumbler | yeah |
| 13:56.51 | Chestal | well, I found a fast German TV stream, I hope they have a good coverage |
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| 13:58.01 | Chestal | one day, multicasting might work on the internet, one day |
| 13:58.16 | Chestal | probably in 20 years when IPv6 has finally made its breakthrough :-) |
| 13:58.54 | TheRedBaron | 20 years? i'll be old by then |
| 13:59.13 | Chestal | I am old already, so I can wait |
| 13:59.41 | Tupone | Chestal: old ? I don't think so |
| 14:00.46 | Chestal | yep, old, not ancient :-) |
| 14:01.15 | TheRedBaron | 'yet' |
| 14:01.20 | TheRedBaron | :-) |
| 14:02.39 | CBG | where can A-Delusion get SDL from? |
| 14:03.04 | Tupone | ~sdl |
| 14:03.04 | ibot | sdl is probably Simple Directmedia Layer, a cross-platform multimedia library. More information at http://www.libsdl.org/ . |
| 14:08.29 | jpa- | and what he needs is systems sdl-dev package etc. |
| 14:09.53 | Tupone | he need sdl-dev too. If I know what OS is on, I can be more specific |
| 14:10.04 | CBG | 10.3 |
| 14:12.52 | A-Delusion | i got the sdl pckage |
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| 14:14.46 | A-Delusion | which sdl-dev? |
| 14:15.00 | Tupone | 10.3 OSX you mean? I don't know anythink about it :( |
| 14:16.22 | Tupone | isn't a fink package manager for getting sdl ? |
| 14:17.00 | Tupone | http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-devel-1.2.8.pkg.tar.gz |
| 14:17.23 | A-Delusion | im installing exactly that now |
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| 14:28.27 | RatOmeter | so yeah, 20 years |
| 14:28.50 | TheRedBaron | not at the rate china is going |
| 14:28.52 | TheRedBaron | 10yrs |
| 14:30.58 | Grumbler | t-9 minutes and counting |
| 14:31.13 | Thumper_ | hi jpa |
| 14:32.47 | jpa- | hi thumpie |
| 14:34.24 | SportChick | hi thumper & grumbler & jpa |
| 14:34.56 | SportChick | hi everyone ! |
| 14:35.05 | SportChick | !weather 94702 |
| 14:35.07 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 14:35.07 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Berkeley, California (94702) is 54°F (7:15 AM PDT on July 26, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 52°F. UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 14:35.13 | SportChick | nice |
| 14:36.07 | Grumbler | t-4 minutes and counting |
| 14:36.38 | Grumbler | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html <- SportChick |
| 14:37.03 | TheRedBaron | 54F!!! |
| 14:37.24 | TheRedBaron | !weather tlh |
| 14:37.27 | TheLastSpartan | TheRedBaron: The current temperature in Tallahassee Regional, Florida (32310) is 84°F (9:53 AM EDT on July 26, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 75°F. Pressure: 30.04 in (1017 hPa). Visibility: 4.0 miles (6.4 kilometers). UV: 4 out of 16 |
| 14:37.40 | SportChick | is that the launch or the launch of nasa tv on the net? |
| 14:37.48 | jpa- | SportChick said hi to me!!! |
| 14:37.52 | Grumbler | the launch |
| 14:38.30 | Grumbler | 1 minute 30 second |
| 14:39.03 | jpa- | slow |
| 14:39.11 | SportChick | no video? |
| 14:39.19 | Grumbler | 30 |
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| 14:39.27 | Grumbler | there is video |
| 14:39.54 | Grumbler | liftoff |
| 14:39.57 | SportChick | grrrr |
| 14:39.58 | TheRedBaron | http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/nasa/071305 |
| 14:40.00 | SportChick | I'm lagging |
| 14:40.44 | SportChick | jpa-: you're a goof! ;) |
| 14:41.02 | Grumbler | they have a camera on the main tank, neat |
| 14:42.04 | Grumbler | boosters separated |
| 14:42.17 | jpa- | exploded already? |
| 14:42.29 | TheRedBaron | ~smack jpa- |
| 14:42.29 | ibot | ACTION smacks jpa- upside the head. |
| 14:42.42 | TheRedBaron | behave. |
| 14:42.48 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 14:42.56 | Thumper_ | TheRedBaron: good luck with that... |
| 14:43.10 | TheRedBaron | thumper_ tell me about it :) |
| 14:43.21 | jpa- | "fireworks, nasa, fireworks" |
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| 14:47.16 | RatOmeter | what's that big, round, blue thing in the background? ;) |
| 14:47.31 | Grumbler | wow, that is pretty amazing |
| 14:47.52 | RatOmeter | yup. me too |
| 14:48.29 | RatOmeter | seperation of tank |
| 14:49.52 | Grumbler | no more views :( |
| 14:50.17 | RatOmeter | yeah, I don't need NASA to see people standing around |
| 14:50.59 | RatOmeter | they'll roll the shuttle and get pics of the tank in a bit |
| 14:51.40 | RatOmeter | ocean somewhere, I think |
| 14:51.42 | Chestal | I think it dissolves |
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| 16:24.36 | RPG_ | ~logs |
| 16:24.36 | ibot | [logs] http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
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| 16:49.31 | brad2901 | ~bzfquery b-r-a-d.afraid.org |
| 16:49.37 | brad2901 | ~bzfquery b-r-a-d.afraid.org:5155 |
| 16:58.26 | RatOmeter | lunchtime! (that means it's time for me to practice avoiding teamkills in bz) |
| 16:59.41 | Aribeth | watch out for captrespect then |
| 17:00.36 | Aribeth | ahh, well, captrespect is a big tk'er |
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| 17:35.48 | Tupone | run baby run baby run |
| 17:36.31 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, ping |
| 17:36.36 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: pong |
| 17:37.14 | JeffM2501 | does the screamers automaticly look for a server somewhere? |
| 17:37.34 | JeffM2501 | geting a crash in TNL right when the client luanches |
| 17:38.09 | purple_cow | i think it tries to connect to localhost |
| 17:38.35 | JeffM2501 | think it may die if it dosn't find a server? |
| 17:38.45 | purple_cow | might, haven't tried that ;) |
| 17:38.49 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:40.35 | JeffM2501 | hmm server dies in TNL in the same place |
| 17:40.48 | JeffM2501 | ClientPuzzleManager::NonceTable::reset() |
| 17:46.47 | Grumbler | screamers is alive....whoot |
| 17:47.02 | Grumbler | "dancing chickens, dancing chickens" |
| 17:47.05 | JeffM2501 | well it would be if TNL didn't suck |
| 17:47.22 | Grumbler | maybe it needs a little TNA |
| 17:50.15 | JeffM2501 | TNA? |
| 17:52.05 | JeffM2501 | wonder if there is a md3 plugin for ogre |
| 17:53.07 | Thumper_ | trepan: thx |
| 17:57.18 | trepan | np, lemme know the port, and i can help test it |
| 17:58.28 | trepan | p.s. "/record save cheater.bzr 120" is a useful kind of command (saves the last 2 minutes into cheater.bzr) |
| 17:59.10 | Thumper_ | so start the server with -recbuf something to make it always record? |
| 17:59.25 | Thumper_ | vs manually doing a /record start |
| 17:59.35 | Thumper_ | I'm half way thru a reply to your PM |
| 17:59.48 | trepan | yup, all my servers have "-recbuf 16" (16 MBytes) |
| 17:59.57 | Thumper_ | The buffered mode vs file mode isn't 'obvious' to me |
| 18:00.04 | Thumper_ | (item 4) |
| 18:00.12 | trepan | file modes saves straight into a disk file |
| 18:00.30 | trepan | the 'save' command records from the buffer into a disk file |
| 18:00.34 | Thumper_ | if the server shuts down does the recording go anywhere? |
| 18:00.52 | Thumper_ | I expect *poof* it's gone |
| 18:00.53 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 18:01.03 | trepan | heh, just the word i was going to use |
| 18:01.27 | trepan | unless you're saving a 'file' mode |
| 18:01.28 | Thumper_ | what happens when the initial recording buffer fills up? |
| 18:01.35 | Thumper_ | does it expand or does it overwrite? |
| 18:02.07 | trepan | it's a circular buffer |
| 18:02.09 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 18:03.07 | trepan | you can increase/decrease it with "/record size <new>" |
| 18:03.16 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 18:03.27 | Thumper_ | so normal routine is have servers with some fixed buffer for recording |
| 18:03.31 | Thumper_ | then /record save file |
| 18:03.34 | Thumper_ | then go to replay server and load it |
| 18:03.38 | Thumper_ | ? |
| 18:03.44 | trepan | yup |
| 18:03.57 | Thumper_ | and I'll have to clean up recordings manually |
| 18:04.02 | Thumper_ | or just overwrite with same filename or something |
| 18:04.06 | trepan | but i usually throw it a length to the save command |
| 18:04.19 | Thumper_ | as in 120 for last two minutes |
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| 18:04.35 | Thumper_ | since you don't normally want to sit thru an hour of recording :) |
| 18:04.38 | trepan | Thumper_: yup, saves disk space |
| 18:04.45 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 18:04.55 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 18:04.56 | trepan | actually, you can use the '/replay skip <secs>' command |
| 18:05.04 | Thumper_ | guess I can toast my PM reply stuff :) |
| 18:05.06 | trepan | it'll jump forward or backwards through the file |
| 18:05.32 | Thumper_ | ok I'll try that. |
| 18:05.41 | Thumper_ | last question is about privs... |
| 18:05.43 | trepan | the '/replay loop' was also added a couple of weeks ago |
| 18:05.51 | Thumper_ | I assume it has to be -public to use bzbb groups for privs |
| 18:05.55 | Thumper_ | which means it'll show up in the server list |
| 18:05.58 | trepan | yup |
| 18:06.10 | Thumper_ | ohwell :) what's another server in the list ;) |
| 18:06.20 | Thumper_ | anyone can join and watch... |
| 18:06.24 | Thumper_ | only admins can control replays |
| 18:06.28 | trepan | exactly |
| 18:06.40 | Thumper_ | most of the time it'll be totally boring for non-admins |
| 18:07.16 | trepan | you can also make a REPLAY group with only the REPLAY priv to assign it specifically |
| 18:07.27 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 18:07.34 | Thumper_ | ~trepan++ |
| 18:07.36 | trepan | RECORD is the dangerous one ;) |
| 18:07.50 | Thumper_ | well the bzflag servers are on a separate lvm partition |
| 18:07.55 | Thumper_ | worst case it crashes the bzfs server |
| 18:07.58 | Thumper_ | vserver |
| 18:08.03 | Thumper_ | no big deal |
| 18:08.36 | Thumper_ | there's 22GB of free disk space there now |
| 18:08.46 | Thumper_ | that ought to be plenty |
| 18:09.02 | Thumper_ | and the servers get reset regularly |
| 18:09.09 | Thumper_ | so a long-running /record would eventually stop |
| 18:09.24 | trepan | approx 50 days of recording (at decent loads) |
| 18:09.47 | Thumper_ | it'll never run that long |
| 18:09.58 | Thumper_ | players have to stay connected 7x24 for 50 days to reach that |
| 18:10.02 | Thumper_ | otherwise the server resets |
| 18:10.30 | Thumper_ | (to fix /set values by admins, reset flags, pick up new priv changes etc) |
| 18:13.29 | Pimpi | trepan, forgot to answer, 1vs1 recording works fine :) |
| 18:13.55 | trepan | cool, glad to hear it... auto-saved filenames working too? |
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| 18:14.37 | Pimpi | yeah, the k/d doesn't always match for winner and loser |
| 18:14.52 | Pimpi | not sure why, but that doesn't really harm |
| 18:14.57 | trepan | self-kills? |
| 18:15.07 | Pimpi | maybe |
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| 18:15.19 | trepan | could watch one of 'em ;) |
| 18:15.21 | Pimpi | i'll have a look on it when have some time |
| 18:15.27 | Pimpi | sure ;) |
| 18:15.32 | trepan | what's the average recording size? |
| 18:15.56 | Pimpi | 700k aprox |
| 18:16.28 | trepan | not too bad i guess, higher then i would have though |
| 18:16.37 | trepan | wonder how much gets saved before game actually start |
| 18:16.56 | Pimpi | i'll make a replay server soon, maybe tomorrow |
| 18:17.08 | Pimpi | had it up for testing only |
| 18:17.20 | menotume | 1v1 matches are usually only 5-10 mins, i would think |
| 18:17.28 | Pimpi | yeah |
| 18:17.50 | trepan | you have a CVS bzfs? the /replay load command can now use file listing indices |
| 18:17.59 | trepan | ... so you don't have to type out long strange filenames |
| 18:18.37 | Pimpi | some days old, i'll update if neccessary |
| 18:18.53 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:19.54 | Pimpi | 20050716 |
| 18:20.21 | Pimpi | bbl |
| 18:42.21 | Birdie | stupid microsoft...uyou may not put hotmail in outlock anymore to check your mails |
| 18:45.27 | ruskie | Birdie, you use hotmail???? |
| 18:45.38 | ruskie | I only use like 2 webmail services... a local one and yahoo |
| 18:46.03 | Birdie | i use hotmail, gmail, and the one from my provider |
| 18:46.20 | ruskie | ok so 2 I don't like and one that I guess is ok |
| 18:46.28 | Birdie | i started internet with hotmail, i will always use it |
| 18:46.33 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:46.48 | ruskie | I started with a real pop based email acc :) |
| 18:47.04 | ruskie | though my oldest still active email acc is yahoo |
| 18:47.23 | blast007 | Birdie: I use ePrompter to download my hotmail to my local computer ( http://www.eprompter.com/ ) |
| 18:47.40 | blast007 | you can do multiple accounts, and it works for numerous mail services |
| 18:47.51 | blast007 | it's just somewhat limited (can't send attachments) |
| 18:48.27 | JeffM2501 | why would somone use outlook? |
| 18:48.59 | Birdie | because its easy |
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| 18:50.46 | creeperz | once again, perfectly cooked shells and cheese for lunch/breakfast |
| 18:51.01 | blast007 | TimRiker: ah, cool |
| 18:51.05 | JeffM2501 | creeperz, mac and cheese is what you eat when you are a child |
| 18:51.23 | creeperz | JeffM2501: mac and cheese is what you eat when its cheaop and youre broke |
| 18:51.39 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:51.41 | JeffM2501 | that is rammen |
| 18:51.46 | creeperz | yeah |
| 18:51.54 | creeperz | but I've had too much ramen latelt |
| 18:52.07 | creeperz | lately*. going with mac and cheese today |
| 18:52.15 | JeffM2501 | not something to be proud of |
| 18:52.29 | blast007 | ... |
| 18:52.48 | creeperz | well, I'm sorry my macaroni and cheese is not sophisticated enough for you |
| 18:53.00 | creeperz | but its damn good to me |
| 18:53.05 | creeperz | :-) |
| 18:53.17 | JeffM2501 | simple tastes for simple people ;) |
| 18:54.31 | creeperz | well I suppose I'd rather be eating mac and cheese and not have my head stuck in my arse |
| 18:54.55 | creeperz | ;) |
| 18:55.23 | creeperz | cant see how one cannot like mac and cheese |
| 18:55.58 | creeperz | JeffM2501: dont like hot dogs either, I assume? |
| 18:56.09 | JeffM2501 | hotdogs are good |
| 18:56.10 | JeffM2501 | if done right |
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| 18:56.31 | JeffM2501 | where right != raw out of the package :) |
| 18:56.41 | JeffM2501 | I never said I didn't like mac and cheese |
| 18:56.50 | JeffM2501 | but when you eat it that much something is wrong |
| 18:56.53 | JeffM2501 | same goes for any food |
| 18:56.58 | creeperz | yeah, cant stand uncooked hot dogs |
| 18:58.12 | creeperz | only way to eat a hot dog is after its been grilled and partially burned :-) |
| 19:00.08 | trepan | http://media.skoopy.com/vids/vid_00660.wmv , silly brits :)00 |
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| 19:34.01 | Thumper_ | trepan: ok I think it works |
| 19:34.15 | Thumper_ | all servers record to common recording directory |
| 19:34.20 | Thumper_ | playback server is on port 5200 |
| 19:34.47 | Thumper_ | have not upgraded the server code yet |
| 19:36.18 | trepan | just joined, couldn't load the 1 rec file |
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| 19:47.19 | Thumper_ | trepan: thx :) |
| 19:47.34 | Thumper_ | ohwell |
| 19:47.38 | Thumper_ | filename is just the server port |
| 19:47.40 | trepan | typo is being blamed on a lack of latte |
| 19:48.00 | Thumper_ | I should probably just add a loop that nukes recordings over a month old |
| 19:48.31 | Thumper_ | lack of latte is normal... but not lack of coffee |
| 19:48.34 | Thumper_ | (for me) |
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| 19:49.43 | trepan | Thumper_: in your case, it might be nice to rig the code to prepend the port number |
| 19:50.07 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:50.09 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 19:50.50 | Thumper_ | and I could disable /record file at teh same time |
| 19:51.05 | Thumper_ | might be good if that was a server option actually |
| 19:51.28 | Thumper_ | so you have to enable it before you can use '/record file' |
| 19:51.37 | trepan | nope |
| 19:55.09 | RPG_ | anyone here know (or is) a freenode admin? |
| 19:55.29 | RPG_ | please? |
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| 19:57.29 | bzflags_AAA | hi... does anyone where the official docs for BZFlag are? |
| 19:57.48 | DTRemenak | docs? what are those? |
| 19:58.02 | bzflags_AAA | documentation, manual... |
| 19:58.09 | RPG_ | lol |
| 19:58.15 | trepan | Thumper_: -norecfile coming up |
| 19:58.19 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 19:58.20 | DTRemenak | manpages ship with the package on all but windows |
| 19:58.24 | Thumper_ | thx! |
| 19:58.28 | DTRemenak | trepan: -recfile /dev/null seems to work :) |
| 19:58.30 | Thumper_ | I thought you said 'nope' to that idea |
| 19:58.34 | RPG_ | yeah on window they're just broken shortcuts |
| 19:58.42 | Thumper_ | -recfile? |
| 19:58.50 | Thumper_ | -recdir and -recbuf |
| 19:58.54 | DTRemenak | or -recdir |
| 19:58.56 | DTRemenak | whatever |
| 19:59.09 | blast007 | bzflags_AAA: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi |
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| 19:59.19 | RPG_ | oops |
| 19:59.22 | Thumper_ | recdir needs access to the recordings though |
| 19:59.30 | Thumper_ | isn't recdir used for /record save too? |
| 19:59.39 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 19:59.42 | bzflags_AAA | hmmmm... mabye that will work, let me see |
| 19:59.44 | Thumper_ | so um that won't work :) |
| 19:59.54 | DTRemenak | ah, I don't know why you wanted it :) |
| 20:00.01 | Thumper_ | if you want to save the last 2mins of a recording... you have to use something other than /dev/null |
| 20:00.08 | DTRemenak | just woke up, have not read backlog |
| 20:00.11 | Thumper_ | I just dont' want someone to do /record file blah |
| 20:00.11 | trepan | or -recbufonly (keeps them alphabetically close) |
| 20:00.15 | Thumper_ | and let it fill my disk |
| 20:00.22 | DTRemenak | I use it to keep from filling up my 2gb hdd :) |
| 20:00.22 | Thumper_ | better |
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| 20:03.33 | Thumper_ | DTRemenak: well I want to be able to save recordings just not have an infinite recording |
| 20:03.42 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 20:04.08 | Thumper_ | basically disabling the /record file command |
| 20:04.08 | DTRemenak | I can't spare the couple megs for short recordings either :) |
| 20:07.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (RecordReplay.cxx RecordReplay.h CmdLineOptions.cxx): added -recbufonly option |
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| 20:12.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx man/bzfs.6.in): doc, and remove contraction |
| 20:16.54 | trepan | what ever happened to the patch that allowed private server to use global auth? |
| 20:17.24 | Chestal | isn't there an official option for it now? |
| 20:17.36 | Chestal | don#t remember whetehr list server already supports it though |
| 20:19.12 | trepan | revision 2.111: REVERT bzfs cmdline option/feature: -privateserver |
| 20:19.18 | trepan | (bzfs.cxx) |
| 20:19.31 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:19.36 | Chestal | or was it done via a group permission now? |
| 20:19.41 | Chestal | I don#t rememebr the details |
| 20:19.45 | Tupone | was menotume ? |
| 20:20.04 | trepan | yup |
| 20:20.24 | trepan | revision 2.110: Will not break existing bzfls.php, but requires bzfls.php update to enable the feature. |
| 20:20.26 | Chestal | -advertise groups |
| 20:21.43 | Chestal | works with global groups only I assume |
| 20:24.31 | trepan | doesn't seem to be working for me |
| 20:24.46 | trepan | trying with the DEVELOPERS global group |
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| 20:25.57 | JeffM2501 | Steve Balmer's personal group? |
| 20:26.31 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: No, mac builds don't come with them |
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| 20:27.04 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: really? hm |
| 20:27.21 | JeffM2501 | not part of the binary install |
| 20:27.27 | DTRemenak | why not? :) |
| 20:27.29 | JeffM2501 | we should probably ship the HTML docs |
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| 20:27.39 | JeffM2501 | because they don't really have a terminal |
| 20:27.41 | JeffM2501 | or ways to install them |
| 20:27.44 | JeffM2501 | it' apple |
| 20:27.47 | JeffM2501 | it's "difrent" |
| 20:27.57 | ToughShooter | if it would be inside application then you would have to put it in $PATH if you're lazy |
| 20:27.58 | JeffM2501 | ask brlcad on saturday |
| 20:28.26 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure if we had a installer we could do lots of things |
| 20:28.44 | ToughShooter | bzflag from darwinports ships with them however |
| 20:29.04 | JeffM2501 | it's the linux style builds |
| 20:29.13 | JeffM2501 | all the command line ones do |
| 20:29.26 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't ship with man pages, but it does build HTML docs based on them |
| 20:30.34 | ToughShooter | Someone could make an installer package for man pages, but I doubt most users would know how to uninstall because there is no uninstaller |
| 20:31.31 | JeffM2501 | man pages on windows? |
| 20:31.33 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 20:31.36 | JeffM2501 | what would read them |
| 20:31.41 | ToughShooter | I meant os x |
| 20:31.44 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:31.56 | JeffM2501 | well on that "someone(TM)" could do lots of things |
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| 20:31.57 | JeffM2501 | but they don't |
| 20:33.37 | Tupone | well, the work tha Sean started, for rewriting the doc, generate man, html |
| 20:33.58 | Tupone | we should follow that |
| 20:35.41 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you have a tool that will convert man pages to PDF at build time? |
| 20:36.00 | JeffM2501 | at present we edit all docs in man format |
| 20:36.07 | JeffM2501 | but yes that new doc system would be good |
| 20:37.22 | ToughShooter | Not now, perhaps I could write something for it but that could last some time until know how to generate PDF without Quartz |
| 20:37.40 | JeffM2501 | then it would have to be HTML |
| 20:37.48 | Thumper_ | trepan: thx again - cya |
| 20:37.50 | Thumper_ | bye all |
| 20:37.58 | JeffM2501 | if the man to HTML converter even works on OSX |
| 20:39.22 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 20:39.24 | JeffM2501 | what about it? |
| 20:40.13 | ToughShooter | Is it something platform independent in a good language (good languages are Haskell, Prolog, Python) |
| 20:40.32 | JeffM2501 | I don't know python, haskell, or prolog |
| 20:40.47 | JeffM2501 | it is platform independent |
| 20:40.55 | JeffM2501 | at present it supports 2 OSs |
| 20:41.23 | ToughShooter | What language for programming logic and what for GUI? |
| 20:41.31 | JeffM2501 | it is in C++ |
| 20:41.37 | JeffM2501 | and it uses each native OSs gui |
| 20:41.49 | JeffM2501 | least common denominator is not allways the best way :) |
| 20:41.53 | ToughShooter | bah, I don't know C++ |
| 20:41.58 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 20:42.05 | trepan | using wx to wrap? |
| 20:42.08 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:42.18 | JeffM2501 | no LCD |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM2501 | tho somone may make it use wx on the backend |
| 20:42.36 | JeffM2501 | if they wish to |
| 20:43.56 | JeffM2501 | if you know python C++ should be simple |
| 20:44.31 | ToughShooter | From looking inside bzflag source code I am doubting it |
| 20:44.44 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is ugly code |
| 20:44.57 | JeffM2501 | there is ugly C++ and good C++ just like there is ugly python and prety python |
| 20:45.15 | JeffM2501 | one would think a programer would not let something as simple as language stop them |
| 20:47.32 | ToughShooter | I've learned that extreme programming is a no-go. There has to be much work done until a single line of code is written and not re-designing bad code usually means more and more problems the further it gets developed |
| 20:48.08 | JeffM2501 | or just that the person made the code didn't know what they were doing |
| 20:48.20 | JeffM2501 | all those "paradigms" don't take screw ups into account |
| 20:48.43 | JeffM2501 | "ahh I see you use refactoring"... "no I just screwed up" |
| 20:50.08 | JeffM2501 | this editor is mostly just a testbed platform for the world and world parser classes |
| 20:50.31 | ToughShooter | That's why commercial programs remain bad until a new programmer is doing job. It's more comfortable not to admit faults |
| 20:50.51 | JeffM2501 | how mancy comercial programs have you worked on? |
| 20:53.35 | ToughShooter | None yet (I better dodge now) but I see huge apps are usually bad written due to many bugs that are not always reproduceable |
| 20:54.28 | Tupone | If someone want to test my changes on delaying enter after authentication, I will commit and wait for bug report. It should solve IP antiban |
| 20:54.52 | JeffM2501 | and it could not be that they products are just so very complex that they are actualy HARD to get right? |
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| 20:56.53 | Thumper_ | rabbit mode... maybe this has changed since March... :) are geno flags allowed by the server in rabbit mode? |
| 20:57.26 | JeffM2501 | I think it's up to the server op |
| 20:57.29 | JeffM2501 | tho they don't make sense |
| 20:57.34 | Thumper_ | sure they do |
| 20:57.38 | Thumper_ | rabbit kills hunters |
| 20:57.51 | JeffM2501 | rouge isn't a team |
| 20:57.53 | orange | also they make a nifty bad flag |
| 20:57.55 | Thumper_ | current map has 3 genos specified (2 too many) but none show up |
| 20:57.56 | JeffM2501 | hunters arn't really a team |
| 20:58.06 | Thumper_ | well the way it used to work was |
| 20:58.10 | Thumper_ | if you geno one hunter they all die |
| 20:58.15 | JeffM2501 | maybe that was fixed |
| 20:58.18 | Thumper_ | so if you are careful with it... |
| 20:58.24 | Thumper_ | it works great |
| 20:58.26 | Tupone | I commit, hoping that people use it to test, and not as a production server ... |
| 20:58.34 | Thumper_ | but yes it is a magnet for TKers |
| 20:58.42 | ToughShooter | Of course, too but when I read reports like from Mac BU that they made a set of screen shots from the so called "Genie Effekt" (that's how it is called in german) and hacked it into app instead of using official APIs... |
| 20:59.06 | Thumper_ | but /flag show does not list any Geno on my server |
| 20:59.11 | Thumper_ | even though the map includes some |
| 20:59.17 | Thumper_ | I'll try a recent dev build |
| 20:59.21 | Thumper_ | and see if that has changed... |
| 20:59.41 | JeffM2501 | check the changelog |
| 20:59.50 | JeffM2501 | I don't recall anything like that specificly |
| 21:01.06 | Thumper_ | current dev code includes it |
| 21:01.14 | Thumper_ | so ... just ignore my ranting - thanks :) |
| 21:01.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:01.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Delay entering after authentication. Should fix antiban on IP number |
| 21:04.15 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, any prefrence on how to store local prefs? it ok to use my old existing class? or you have anything you'd like to use? |
| 21:05.31 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: doesn't ogre have some config classes? |
| 21:05.45 | JeffM2501 | it has a very simple simple one |
| 21:05.48 | JeffM2501 | just for reading them |
| 21:05.58 | JeffM2501 | not for maintaiing them ( that I saw ) |
| 21:06.12 | JeffM2501 | I'll look more tho |
| 21:06.43 | trepan | Tupone: bzfs.cxx:1889: error: `verified' undeclared |
| 21:06.49 | JeffM2501 | gonna see about hooking up ogre into the editor first |
| 21:07.00 | JeffM2501 | so I have something to do the world classes in |
| 21:07.00 | Tupone | oohh lemme look |
| 21:07.14 | trepan | GameKeeper::Player::verified ? |
| 21:07.20 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:07.29 | Tupone | I have compiled that :( |
| 21:07.41 | trepan | weird... |
| 21:08.52 | Tupone | perhaps not :) |
| 21:08.53 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, can you atach an ogre window to an existing OS window? |
| 21:09.16 | trepan | Tupone: what is LSA ? |
| 21:09.27 | Tupone | List Server Authentication |
| 21:09.32 | Tupone | I have to write |
| 21:10.07 | Tupone | not so obvious :) |
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| 21:11.31 | Tupone | I still should put a shorter timeout, and see how the reverse dns fit |
| 21:11.45 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i think you can if you use the specific RenderWindow class |
| 21:13.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Fixing verified error (missing class name in front of) |
| 21:14.09 | purple_cow | why are we writing our own editor? :P |
| 21:14.18 | trepan | Tupone: a plain 'bzfs' won't allow me to join |
| 21:14.52 | Tupone | what you mean, Ah .. understand, authentication is missing |
| 21:15.05 | Tupone | state should be notrequired for those to work |
| 21:15.26 | Tupone | I'm going to eat something. If you fix ... otherwise I 'll do :) |
| 21:15.47 | trepan | Tupone: it's your thang... ;) |
| 21:15.54 | Tupone | However it should without password, No ? |
| 21:16.30 | trepan | all i know is that i expect to be able to join a server started without any command line opts |
| 21:17.03 | trepan | oh, gotcha |
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| 21:17.14 | trepan | remove my 'password:' field, and it works |
| 21:29.21 | trepan | doesn't seem to play nicely with -advertise either (not that I had that working) |
| 21:29.55 | Tupone | hmm, I 'll see where I can get the public /non public info |
| 21:31.32 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, got a simple example of a file open dialog on OSX? |
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| 21:39.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: When server is not public, authentication does not work |
| 21:41.09 | menotume | huh ? |
| 21:41.12 | menotume | tupone ? |
| 21:41.18 | Tupone | menotume: :) |
| 21:41.26 | menotume | should i look ? |
| 21:41.32 | Tupone | do you want to play with ? |
| 21:41.40 | menotume | looking at you last commit |
| 21:41.41 | Tupone | antiban |
| 21:41.53 | menotume | ohhh |
| 21:42.01 | menotume | ok, gotya |
| 21:42.04 | menotume | nvm |
| 21:42.10 | Tupone | ~nvm |
| 21:42.13 | menotume | i will try to play with it - but pretty busy |
| 21:42.19 | menotume | moving in a few days now |
| 21:42.25 | Tupone | where ? |
| 21:42.25 | menotume | nvm = nevermind |
| 21:42.33 | menotume | locally - just 2 miles away :) |
| 21:42.41 | Tupone | where are you based ? |
| 21:42.56 | Tupone | Earth I suppose . |
| 21:43.06 | menotume | a little N.E. of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, Earth |
| 21:43.19 | Tupone | :) |
| 21:43.23 | menotume | hehe |
| 21:43.32 | Tupone | so pretty near to Sean |
| 21:43.43 | menotume | not too far |
| 21:43.52 | menotume | 100 miles, maybe |
| 21:44.12 | Tupone | I went to North of Philadelphia :) |
| 21:44.18 | menotume | ahhh |
| 21:44.21 | menotume | where ? |
| 21:44.26 | menotume | canada ? |
| 21:44.32 | Tupone | lemme google ... |
| 21:44.40 | menotume | doylestown ? |
| 21:44.48 | Thumper_ | wouldn't that be New York state? |
| 21:44.57 | menotume | poconos ? |
| 21:45.09 | Tupone | ex Aydin |
| 21:45.13 | menotume | yes, New York if far enough north :) |
| 21:45.38 | Thumper_ | no reason to come all the way up here to Canada just to be north of Penn. state |
| 21:45.45 | menotume | Aydin province is in the Aegean region of Turkey, nearby Izmir. |
| 21:45.52 | menotume | hehe |
| 21:45.55 | Tupone | eheh, that is company :) |
| 21:46.22 | menotume | Aydinn displays ? |
| 21:46.33 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.16 | menotume | ya, that's not too far |
| 21:47.17 | Tupone | naha |
| 21:47.34 | Tupone | is pretty near Phy ... |
| 21:47.37 | menotume | near pottstown, maybe 45 min drive |
| 21:47.54 | Tupone | lemme get with googlemap :) |
| 21:48.13 | menotume | ah, make it 1:15, that's west of me |
| 21:48.23 | menotume | i'm in newtown, pa |
| 21:48.49 | Tupone | horsham |
| 21:48.53 | menotume | yep |
| 21:49.32 | Tupone | but now the moved and changed name, they were acquired by a very big company |
| 21:49.47 | menotume | that's even closer |
| 21:49.54 | menotume | yes, they moved to birdsboro |
| 21:50.01 | Tupone | perhaps |
| 21:50.08 | menotume | same name still |
| 21:50.11 | Tupone | but I know they changed name |
| 21:50.17 | menotume | http://www.aydindisplays.com/ |
| 21:51.15 | menotume | horsham is even closer to me, 20 mins if no traffic |
| 21:52.07 | menotume | i think we looked at their displays at my last job - for a kiosk station |
| 21:53.52 | Tupone | L3 Communication |
| 21:53.59 | menotume | oh |
| 21:54.27 | menotume | that's the one that bought them out ? |
| 21:54.45 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:57.12 | menotume | hmmm, did we branch ? |
| 21:57.49 | Tupone | brunch ? |
| 21:58.10 | Tupone | I am starving |
| 21:58.32 | menotume | lol |
| 21:59.01 | menotume | well, either we branched, or Mr. Tupone found a way to delay auth without breaking protocol |
| 21:59.18 | Tupone | I found it, if that works |
| 21:59.37 | menotume | heh, brunch at midnight |
| 21:59.39 | menotume | kewl :) |
| 21:59.41 | Tupone | testing ? |
| 22:00.17 | Tupone | menotume: ???? |
| 22:00.20 | menotume | yes ? |
| 22:00.26 | Tupone | are you testing bzfs ? |
| 22:00.31 | menotume | testing your chnage, no |
| 22:00.34 | menotume | not now |
| 22:00.46 | menotume | gonna go out to sign a lease soon |
| 22:01.29 | Tupone | ahhh, I need to know what the problem are, cause some problem for sure are there. Like I need to timeout ... need to do something similar for reverse DNS ... |
| 22:01.51 | menotume | ok, i'm updating |
| 22:02.00 | menotume | will try to build and setup server before i go |
| 22:02.21 | menotume | i doubt that many players will go to it though |
| 22:02.23 | Tupone | ehehe, do'nt want you miss important milestone |
| 22:02.35 | menotume | i have 30 mins :) |
| 22:09.33 | purple_cow | hahahaha |
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| 22:12.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:14.16 | menotume | it's running, tupone |
| 22:14.23 | menotume | on the list .... bzflag.no-ip.com |
| 22:14.34 | Tupone | great, no ip ban/antiban |
| 22:15.11 | Tupone | SportChick: testing changes |
| 22:15.12 | menotume | setting up groups/permiss will have to wait till tonight |
| 22:15.23 | Tupone | yeah, no problem |
| 22:15.26 | menotume | k |
| 22:15.27 | SportChick | Tupone: cool |
| 22:15.51 | Tupone | so you will get your requested features :) |
| 22:15.54 | Tupone | soon |
| 22:15.58 | SportChick | Tupone: you should come to our bz-gathering on Saturday (that is if these boys ever make up their minds where to go) |
| 22:16.02 | SportChick | ~tupone++ |
| 22:16.14 | purple_cow | teehee |
| 22:17.19 | Tupone | lemme compute how many miles ... |
| 22:17.29 | Tupone | 10000 ? |
| 22:17.43 | brlcad | we sould just go to that place that had the more food variety |
| 22:17.55 | menotume | is that on the left-coast ? |
| 22:17.57 | brlcad | there seemed to be no thrill for the noodles place |
| 22:18.18 | brlcad | menotume: yeah.. next year we can do the right coast ;) |
| 22:18.24 | menotume | hehe |
| 22:18.24 | brlcad | boston! |
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| 22:35.21 | SportChick | brlcad: which one are you talking about? I've long since forgotten |
| 22:38.22 | brlcad | happy rocks |
| 22:44.53 | SportChick | k - we doing the gladstones on pch or at universal? |
| 22:45.12 | brlcad | universal is more north? |
| 22:45.41 | brlcad | i'd say whatever's closer to DTRemenak since he traveled the farthest last time |
| 22:45.48 | SportChick | universal is off the 101 |
| 22:45.51 | SportChick | pch is off pch |
| 22:46.02 | SportChick | the one on pch will give us sunset views. |
| 22:46.03 | brlcad | hmm.. actuallyy I suppose I traveled the farthest.. but that doesn't count :) |
| 22:46.11 | SportChick | dunno about the one from universal |
| 22:46.29 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I may have traveled furthest last time but I'm not that far now :)\ |
| 22:46.44 | SportChick | for pch, head straight out the 10 to pch. for the one at universal, up the 110 to the 101 and then on further |
| 22:46.51 | brlcad | still, I'd say that grants kudos to pick this year :) |
| 22:47.10 | DTRemenak | you're just trying to make me decide because you don't want to :) |
| 22:47.15 | brlcad | then whomever is fathest next year could pick, though boston is considerably more condensed |
| 22:47.35 | brlcad | DTRemenak: hah, no I don't really care -- they're both good |
| 22:47.46 | DTRemenak | heh...I don't care either, that's the thing :) |
| 22:47.52 | brlcad | from what I recall, they're both relatively the same distance |
| 22:47.59 | SportChick | DTRemenak: here's the site for the one on pch: http://www.gladstones.com/html/home.html |
| 22:48.11 | SportChick | the one in universal seems not to have its own website that I can find |
| 22:49.48 | brlcad | http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?name=&addr=1000+Universal+Studios+Blvd&state=CA&csz=Universal+City%2C+CA+91608-1008&ds=n&uzip=91608&mag=5&desc=&country=US&dma=803&cat=&resize=l&trf=0&lat=34.135608&lon=-118.351494&mlt=34.135608&mln=-118.351494&rezoom=0&.intl=us&addrtype=12&compass=&i_ov=1&pan_x=0&pan_y=0&panable=1 |
| 22:50.08 | SportChick | tho, you can go to http://www.citywalkhollywood.com/groupsales/home/index.php, click on take a tour and then click on gladstones |
| 22:50.09 | brlcad | so a lil farther to the one in malibu perhaps |
| 22:50.16 | purple_cow | yahoo maps? how quaint |
| 22:50.37 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:50.44 | DTRemenak | yahoo claims that's 23 minutes from me |
| 22:50.44 | SportChick | brlcad, you need to use tinyurl.com |
| 22:50.47 | brlcad | linked from their website |
| 22:51.52 | SportChick | http://tinyurl.com/a68oz |
| 22:53.21 | DTRemenak | whereas the one on PCH is 41 minutes from me |
| 22:54.09 | brlcad | so you pick :) |
| 22:54.53 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, when I did it, it said citywalk was 17miles for you |
| 22:55.32 | JeffM2501 | 30ish for me and sporty, and 10 for the convention center |
| 22:55.38 | JeffM2501 | all you ahve to do is go donw the 134 |
| 22:56.09 | DTRemenak | and boston is 46 hours 41 mins |
| 22:56.21 | brlcad | we could wander on over to that coffeehouse later or something if it's citywalk |
| 22:56.31 | DTRemenak | although I love some of thier directions... Take the I-80 EAST exit toward CHEYENNE - go 1218.6 mi |
| 22:56.41 | JeffM2501 | strcat(filter+pos,"All Files (*.*)"); |
| 22:56.45 | JeffM2501 | oops |
| 22:56.50 | JeffM2501 | http://maps.google.com/maps?spn=0.191111,0.226027&saddr=1200+E+California+Blvd,+Pasadena,+CA+91106&daddr=100+Universal+City+PLZ,+Universal+City,+CA+91608+(Hollywood+Sports+Grill)&hl=en |
| 22:57.07 | SportChick | link is broke |
| 22:57.16 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, I just don't want to drive for an hour and a half |
| 22:57.32 | JeffM2501 | copy and paste it |
| 22:57.33 | JeffM2501 | don't click it |
| 22:57.41 | JeffM2501 | your IRC client dosn't like the ( |
| 22:57.43 | SportChick | understood, jeff - I assumed it would be closer since you can cut through the mountains |
| 22:57.55 | JeffM2501 | ohh god no |
| 22:57.59 | JeffM2501 | you don't go thru there |
| 22:58.00 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 22:58.06 | SportChick | I used to - loved it! |
| 22:58.13 | JeffM2501 | it's often packed now |
| 22:58.14 | SportChick | fun driving roads |
| 22:58.34 | JeffM2501 | also the boys don't have a car IIRC |
| 22:58.54 | JeffM2501 | so they need to be with in taxi range, or somone has to get em |
| 22:59.04 | SportChick | oh! didn't realize dtr was so far away - thought he was in pasadena |
| 22:59.10 | JeffM2501 | he is |
| 22:59.14 | purple_cow | i think we may be bumming a ride with scanlime, but i have to confirm that with him |
| 22:59.14 | JeffM2501 | at caltech |
| 22:59.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=34.134830,-118.353950&spn=0.160047,0.281799&saddr=400+S+Holliston+Ave,+Pasadena,+CA+91106&daddr=100+Universal+City+PLZ,+Universal+City,+CA+91608+(Hollywood+Sports+Grill)&hl=en |
| 22:59.32 | DTRemenak | so google says 20 |
| 22:59.36 | DTRemenak | where yahoo says 23 |
| 22:59.48 | JeffM2501 | google shows me 17.2 |
| 22:59.48 | DTRemenak | 400 S Holliston is the parking garage ;) |
| 22:59.51 | SportChick | duh - I thought pasadena was WEST of glendale |
| 22:59.57 | DTRemenak | minutes |
| 22:59.57 | brlcad | I'm 2727.2 miles away from Universal and 2758.4 miles away from Malibu so.. I'd say let's go to universal |
| 22:59.59 | JeffM2501 | it's east |
| 23:00.10 | JeffM2501 | universal has some cool stuff |
| 23:00.34 | purple_cow | brlcad: hehe |
| 23:00.54 | brlcad | SportChick: who you calling a landlubber? :) |
| 23:01.05 | SportChick | brlcad: why, cappy & scanline, of course |
| 23:01.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:01.11 | JeffM2501 | your ocean has panzy waves :) |
| 23:01.16 | SportChick | and even dtr, who comes from central cali |
| 23:01.28 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:01.45 | DTRemenak | s/gorgeous/crowded |
| 23:01.55 | DTRemenak | there are way too many people in So. Cal. |
| 23:02.00 | SportChick | ~lart DTRemenak |
| 23:02.04 | SportChick | hehe |
| 23:02.08 | SportChick | how appropriate |
| 23:02.33 | SportChick | DTRemenak: it's crowded if you go to santa monica or venice. The South Bay isn't bad atall |
| 23:02.46 | SportChick | and freeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzinnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggg |
| 23:02.54 | DTRemenak | heck yeah, the way it's supposed to be :) |
| 23:02.56 | SportChick | too cold to get IN |
| 23:05.11 | JeffM2501 | so we are doing gladstones at universal ( it's huge ) on saturday at 6PM right? |
| 23:05.37 | JeffM2501 | then when we drink them dry, we go over to the sushi place |
| 23:05.41 | JeffM2501 | then the cantina |
| 23:05.46 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 23:05.58 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:05.59 | JeffM2501 | sushi place is next door |
| 23:06.07 | JeffM2501 | and this gladstones has a sushi cheff on hand |
| 23:06.35 | JeffM2501 | and I can show up early and hit TFAW |
| 23:07.25 | purple_cow | TFAW? |
| 23:07.37 | JeffM2501 | Things From Another World |
| 23:07.44 | brlcad | sounds like a plan to me |
| 23:07.45 | JeffM2501 | Dark Horse Store |
| 23:07.55 | JeffM2501 | wonder what's playing on that imax there |
| 23:11.48 | JeffM2501 | hmmm could see the island in digital |
| 23:14.39 | JeffM2501 | or Herbie fully loaded, you know I have been waiting to see that one :) |
| 23:20.46 | purple_cow | :) |
| 23:22.00 | JeffM2501 | so scanline is coming down? |
| 23:23.20 | purple_cow | supposedly |
| 23:23.48 | JeffM2501 | how long is his drive? |
| 23:24.33 | purple_cow | i think it's about 6 hours (yow!) |
| 23:26.18 | JeffM2501 | and he's going back the same day? |
| 23:26.24 | JeffM2501 | or hanging with you all for a day? |
| 23:29.04 | purple_cow | i think the plan is that he'll spend the night down in LA |
| 23:30.17 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:31.30 | JeffM2501 | and we change the resturant to the one with a hotspot |
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| 23:40.24 | purple_cow | well, i -do- have a sexy laptop... |
| 23:41.49 | JeffM2501 | sportys probably going to be the only one sans lapy |
| 23:41.57 | JeffM2501 | tho she may being it just to SHOW the jitter |
| 23:42.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 23:54.00 | TD-Linux | anyone here? |
| 23:54.09 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 23:54.51 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:59.32 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 23:59.45 | TD-Linux | nobody at #masterbot either |