| 00:08.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): directional force feedback support, part 5: linux evdev constant force support. |
| 00:18.15 | trepan | SF running on dial-up today? |
| 00:21.50 | DTRemenak | seems like it |
| 00:22.14 | Chestal | they upgraded from acoustic coupler? |
| 00:24.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/JoinMenu.cxx: Determine placement of the team icon by the *localised* string |
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| 00:36.17 | trepan | DTRemenak: whole lotta unused var warnings in EvdevJoystick... |
| 00:39.04 | DTRemenak | trepan, I'm getting there :) |
| 00:42.23 | DTRemenak | taking way longer than I expected, linux' error messages are totally uninformative. |
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| 00:47.50 | DTRemenak | Tupone, if you check the 2.0.3b10 thread on bzbb, near the top of the last page Workaphobia explains that he has the same problem as me1 did (not being able to contact the list server) and he's on linux. |
| 00:59.12 | Tupone | long discussion :/ and I have not seen anything about bzflag not working on linux except the fact that is not working ... I hope this guy come here |
| 01:09.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/EvdevJoystick.cxx: directional force feedback support, part 6: evdev support for periodic effects. |
| 01:15.25 | orchid | whats the last LOTR called? |
| 01:15.35 | DTRemenak | ROTK |
| 01:15.36 | orchid | the king one or the tower one? |
| 01:15.45 | brlcad | king |
| 01:15.45 | orchid | ok thnkx |
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| 01:39.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/EvdevJoystick.cxx: directional force feedback support, part 7: evdev support for resistance effects. |
| 01:40.34 | DTRemenak | trepan, that should finish off all the unused variable warnings |
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| 01:53.23 | trepan | DTRemenak: mmm, tasty, clean CVS |
| 01:53.58 | DTRemenak | so fresh it kicks back |
| 01:58.16 | bryjen | steak so rare it moos? |
| 02:03.39 | Aribeth | lol |
| 02:03.48 | Aribeth | mooooo |
| 02:04.17 | bryjen | EvdevJoystick.cxx:566: error: two or more data types in declaration |
| 02:07.30 | bryjen | prototype for .... does not match any in class `EvdevJoystick' |
| 02:08.37 | bryjen | missing a comma? |
| 02:13.24 | bryjen | a-yup |
| 02:14.35 | DTRemenak | whoops |
| 02:16.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (EvdevJoystick.cxx EvdevJoystick.h): better compile with old input.h's too |
| 02:16.56 | DTRemenak | oops, I think I just committed more than I wanted too |
| 02:20.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/EvdevJoystick.cxx: always nice to link |
| 02:28.35 | trepan | the new arrow/icon could use a wrapmode adjustment, ghosting on the left side |
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| 02:39.39 | EbErT | I have a hunch that the mac bz client for 2.02 has a similar problem as the windows one did with having nr sessions during gameplay |
| 02:40.05 | EbErT | i get them off and on rather regularly after being on a couple hours |
| 02:40.52 | EbErT | I just wanted to report this to anyone who might have any insight or interest, as it is quite annoying when it happens |
| 02:42.17 | EbErT | the nr sessions only happen for about five seconds at a time, and i am certain it is not the server's fault |
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| 03:12.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (EvdevJoystick.cxx EvdevJoystick.h): Enable axis switching on evdev |
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| 04:42.31 | Aribeth | hi SportChick |
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| 04:42.58 | SportChick | hi ari |
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| 04:44.48 | junker | You there Sporty? |
| 04:45.01 | SportChick | yes |
| 04:45.22 | junker | so...?? |
| 04:46.05 | SportChick | I'm talking to you in pm |
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| 05:27.24 | EbErT | you here? |
| 05:27.45 | EbErT | how do you pm on this thing... |
| 05:46.06 | SportChick | spoogebob seems to be making the rounds again |
| 05:46.22 | SportChick | EbErT: ping |
| 05:49.22 | Aribeth | not him again |
| 05:52.13 | SportChick | he was on sp |
| 05:52.16 | SportChick | I permabanned |
| 05:52.23 | Aribeth | good |
| 06:01.56 | EbErT | what about my ping? |
| 06:02.58 | EbErT | yeah, its prob high heh |
| 06:03.48 | Aribeth | SportChick was looking for you. ie ping |
| 06:04.09 | Aribeth | :) |
| 06:04.09 | SportChick | ping |
| 06:04.14 | Aribeth | pong |
| 06:04.15 | Aribeth | pong |
| 06:04.28 | SportChick | hehe - ebert, I'm about to head to sleep - did you need something? |
| 06:07.36 | EbErT | no, thanks |
| 06:08.06 | EbErT | this is the first day i have tried irc |
| 06:08.13 | EbErT | i'm a late starter on these things |
| 06:08.33 | Aribeth | hi EbErT |
| 06:08.39 | EbErT | hi ari! |
| 06:09.09 | EbErT | i was amazed with myself when i figured out how to get the bzflag channel on here |
| 06:09.19 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 06:09.50 | EbErT | just got on here for the first time yesterday |
| 06:10.42 | Aribeth | i've been here on irc for a few months |
| 06:10.52 | SportChick | oh, well welcome and good night! :) |
| 06:11.01 | EbErT | night |
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| 06:50.34 | The_Vaxorcist | um, hello? |
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| 06:54.21 | trepan | that's 1 out of 7 that he surely doesn't possess |
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| 13:50.54 | menotume | *tap* *tap*, is this thing on ? |
| 13:52.45 | Pimpi | tip tip, somebody moving? |
| 13:53.57 | Pimpi | wow, almost 7 hours of silenc |
| 13:54.12 | Pimpi | and menotume disturbedit |
| 13:54.34 | menotume | :) |
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| 14:39.44 | menotume | hellos orchid |
| 14:39.59 | orchid | hi |
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| 14:52.28 | menotume | ~will the real toughShooter please stand up |
| 14:53.17 | menotume | oops |
| 14:53.37 | menotume9001 | go back to bed, meno ! |
| 14:54.17 | menotume | /kick menotume9001 |
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| 14:57.43 | menotume | sry, was thinking you were a bot :) |
| 14:57.57 | ToughShooter_ | No, only my "ghost" didn't left yet |
| 14:58.03 | menotume | ahhh |
| 14:58.21 | menotume | you know the /ghost command ? |
| 14:58.30 | ToughShooter_ | I was falling over the ethernet cable and interrupted my connection therefore |
| 14:58.36 | menotume | :) |
| 14:58.50 | menotume | I think it's: /ghost ToughShooter PASSWORD |
| 14:58.56 | ToughShooter_ | Yes, I know but I don't know whether it still works nowadays |
| 14:59.02 | menotume | k |
| 14:59.56 | menotume | there he goes |
| 15:00.25 | ToughShooter_ | Yup |
| 15:00.58 | menotume | ohhh, it's: /msg nickserv ghost NAME PASSWORD |
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| 15:02.14 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5679 |
| 15:02.33 | ToughShooter | The problem with holidays is that there is nothing to do and when having work there's not enough time(tm) |
| 15:02.58 | menotume | heh |
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| 15:09.22 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5679 |
| 15:24.04 | brad2901 | /ban <ip> 1h <reason> seems to ban for 1000 minutes.. |
| 15:24.15 | brad2901 | Should it be 1hour instead of 1h? |
| 15:45.10 | _Manu_ | it works for me |
| 15:45.31 | _Manu_ | just 60 minutes |
| 15:47.53 | S1gn | upgraded alsalib and have problems with bzflag :-/ |
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| 15:59.00 | Chestal | hmm, off-topic: how do I tell the 2.6 Linux kernel build system to sue a specific gcc version? |
| 16:07.15 | orchid | Chestal: didnt you tell me how to do that the other day? |
| 16:07.20 | Chestal | orchid: nope |
| 16:07.28 | Chestal | but I think I must edit Makefile and change both HOSTCC and CC |
| 16:07.38 | Chestal | funny, Howtos still talk of gcc-2.95 only |
| 16:07.46 | orchid | you have multiple gcc versions installed and want to build a kernel with one of them yes? |
| 16:08.06 | Chestal | yes, I think it works now |
| 16:08.23 | orchid | ok, I just change the /bin/gcc symlink |
| 16:09.08 | Chestal | eeek :-) |
| 16:12.37 | brlcad | do you have a gcc_select command? |
| 16:13.03 | Chestal | no, and it would be the wrong way anyway :-) |
| 16:13.12 | Chestal | I want the kernel to tell which gcc to use, not change my system default |
| 16:13.23 | Chestal | but I taught it manners now |
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| 16:27.03 | ToughShooter | I've got a dependency problem: I've installed py-opengl and py-wxpython and it's depended packages in order to get pyBzEdit running. Problem is that everything works except the preview. Any ideas how to solve the problem? |
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| 16:29.06 | ToughShooter | According to http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ports/ py-opengl uses python23 and py-wxpython depends on python (2.2.2) could that be causing it? If so how to solve. |
| 16:30.29 | Chestal | sind eigentlich die Woche noch Vorlesungen? |
| 16:30.31 | Chestal | oops |
| 16:31.12 | ToughShooter | Output from terminal: http://pastebin.ca/17914 |
| 16:31.26 | ToughShooter | Chestal: heh |
| 16:33.38 | Aribeth_away | hi TS |
| 16:38.43 | Pimpi | Chestal: shouldn't calling make with CC="gcc-2.95" etc work? |
| 16:39.20 | Chestal | nope, doesn't for me |
| 16:39.25 | Pimpi | hm |
| 16:39.28 | Chestal | edit Makefile, change HOSTCC and CC variable definitions |
| 16:39.33 | Chestal | that worked |
| 16:41.01 | Pimpi | thought that would override it |
| 16:43.33 | Aribeth | which portage |
| 16:43.37 | Aribeth | oops |
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| 16:46.25 | ToughShooter | Hiya Aribeth |
| 16:46.34 | Aribeth | hi |
| 16:46.45 | Aribeth | whats up? |
| 16:46.59 | ToughShooter | Could you send me my map back please? |
| 16:47.07 | ToughShooter | I lost some data :(( |
| 16:47.18 | Aribeth | ohh. sure |
| 16:47.30 | Aribeth | email address? |
| 16:48.11 | ToughShooter | I did |
| 16:48.26 | Pimpi | zwei doofe eine idee |
| 16:48.48 | ToughShooter | I thought it was corrupted and deleted it due to it but it wasn't |
| 16:49.35 | ToughShooter | The cable connecting ATA devices with IOController was kind of defunct |
| 16:49.45 | ToughShooter | Hatte 'nen Wackelkontakt |
| 16:51.10 | ToughShooter | Pimpi: Ich glaube das waren nicht nur Zwei, die die Idee gehabt haben |
| 16:51.48 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 16:52.53 | ToughShooter | "Wichtig ist, was hinten rauskommt" (Helmut Kohl) :( |
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| 17:09.57 | _Manu_ | jujibo13579 |
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| 17:15.26 | lovemonkey | May I ask a few questions? |
| 17:16.26 | lovemonkey | I was wondering if bzflag 2 was working with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:16.45 | _Manu_ | was.... it is |
| 17:16.46 | Aribeth | yes it is |
| 17:17.23 | lovemonkey | In my last experience bz did not support in kernel drm and x11-drm id not support kernel 2.6? |
| 17:17.51 | Aribeth | that is in X11 |
| 17:18.17 | lovemonkey | so is anyone running bzflag 2 on kernel 2.6? |
| 17:18.24 | _Manu_ | most of linux users |
| 17:18.25 | Aribeth | if its not in the kernel, then you need to rebuild the kernel with the driver |
| 17:18.34 | Aribeth | i am |
| 17:18.48 | lovemonkey | with in kernel drm? |
| 17:18.53 | Aribeth | yes |
| 17:19.23 | Aribeth | there is a driver in the kernel, but you may need to rebuild with it turned on |
| 17:19.32 | bryjen | uhm, the kernel drm module and the x11 drm module work together, they are not seperate things |
| 17:19.41 | Aribeth | yes |
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| 17:19.46 | bryjen | you have to have both |
| 17:20.35 | Aribeth | what distro lovemonkey? |
| 17:21.18 | lovemonkey | My understading is that I have in-kernel drm and and no x11-drm and I have 3d accel . . . ? |
| 17:21.42 | bryjen | no |
| 17:22.13 | Aribeth | if you already have the kernel driver, then you would need to ad a drm line in your X config file |
| 17:22.46 | lovemonkey | The last time I tried to build x11-drm it fail with an error saying the 2.6 kernels were not supported . . . ? |
| 17:22.48 | lovemonkey | gentoo |
| 17:23.20 | bryjen | there's a piece of 3d accel in the kernel (the kernel module) and a piece in the X server (the drm driver, an X module) |
| 17:23.31 | bryjen | the two pieces work together |
| 17:23.48 | Aribeth | you need both of them |
| 17:23.59 | _Manu_ | I'm running gentoo + kernel 2.6.12 + Xorg + Nvidia and working fine for bzflag |
| 17:24.10 | Aribeth | same here |
| 17:24.26 | bryjen | in the Nvidia case, NV supplies both modules |
| 17:24.31 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 17:24.39 | lovemonkey | no mention of drm in my x config . . . |
| 17:25.02 | lovemonkey | can please show me an example line or two? |
| 17:25.04 | Aribeth | what vidio card do you have lovemonkey? |
| 17:25.09 | lovemonkey | ati |
| 17:25.12 | bryjen | or glx ? then you probly aren't using accel |
| 17:25.21 | Aribeth | right |
| 17:25.43 | lovemonkey | direct render is ON |
| 17:25.44 | bryjen | with driver's from ATI, or just what came with X ? |
| 17:25.49 | lovemonkey | direct rendering is ON |
| 17:25.53 | lovemonkey | sry |
| 17:26.33 | bryjen | try glxinfo and look for "OpenGL renderer string" |
| 17:26.46 | lovemonkey | glxgears says: 9225 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1845.000 FPS |
| 17:27.18 | lovemonkey | OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 8500 DDR Generic |
| 17:27.18 | _Manu_ | try; glxinfo | grep direct |
| 17:28.05 | bryjen | using drivers from ATI then? |
| 17:28.06 | lovemonkey | direct rendering: Yes |
| 17:28.08 | _Manu_ | but because your fps for glxgears.. you are using hardware 3D accel |
| 17:28.10 | lovemonkey | yes |
| 17:28.15 | lovemonkey | yes to ati drivers |
| 17:28.17 | _Manu_ | then no problem |
| 17:28.23 | _Manu_ | just run bzflag |
| 17:28.25 | bryjen | ah, that explains it all |
| 17:28.41 | lovemonkey | I'm gonna try to build bz again and see what it says |
| 17:29.25 | bryjen | ATI should have supplied both pieces then. I donno what the X config looks like for their stuff |
| 17:30.27 | bryjen | it won't mention DRI/DRM though, as that's the opensource 3d project |
| 17:31.12 | lovemonkey | from xorg-conf: Load "dri" # libdri.a |
| 17:31.43 | lovemonkey | glx module is what they call it. |
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| 17:32.08 | _Manu_ | well.. have you read the gentoo ati driver doc? |
| 17:32.24 | _Manu_ | usually you must comment that line if you are using the drivers in your ATI |
| 17:32.25 | lovemonkey | yes |
| 17:34.22 | lovemonkey | no error in the build yet |
| 17:34.36 | lovemonkey | if this works i'll cry |
| 17:34.49 | lovemonkey | i want 2 so bad |
| 17:34.59 | lovemonkey | there is no one running 1 anymore |
| 17:35.06 | lovemonkey | hardly any |
| 17:35.08 | lovemonkey | maybe 2 |
| 17:35.17 | lovemonkey | or 3 |
| 17:35.29 | Aribeth | running what? |
| 17:35.40 | lovemonkey | i know i shot someone recently |
| 17:35.45 | lovemonkey | running 1.0 bzflag |
| 17:35.50 | Aribeth | ohhh |
| 17:35.56 | lovemonkey | the crowd is smaller these days |
| 17:36.06 | lovemonkey | I'm lonely there |
| 17:36.14 | Aribeth | run 2.0 |
| 17:36.27 | Aribeth | almost 100 servers out there |
| 17:36.32 | lovemonkey | wouldn't build for me |
| 17:36.41 | lovemonkey | trying it again now |
| 17:37.09 | lovemonkey | it's look good so far however |
| 17:37.17 | lovemonkey | it looks |
| 17:38.32 | lovemonkey | maybe this was all due to me not getting updated sources and trying again first . . . been a few months |
| 17:39.59 | lovemonkey | Making all in obstacle |
| 17:40.11 | lovemonkey | Making all in platform |
| 17:40.33 | lovemonkey | 750Mhz P3 . . . give me a break please |
| 17:41.25 | lovemonkey | Please eRIS make me a winner! |
| 17:42.01 | lovemonkey | or the bz developement team and the people at gentoo and doing linux developement around the world! |
| 17:47.04 | brlcad | more like 1.7 |
| 17:52.04 | menotume | brlcad: do you know anything about a problem loading textures on MAC ? |
| 17:52.43 | menotume | A server op who uses lots of textures says no one on mac gets them |
| 17:52.59 | menotume | is it just that they need libcurl, or is there a problem ? |
| 17:53.09 | menotume | ohh, the also can't global login |
| 17:53.32 | Bagheera | well, it is a mac.......they are a bit exclusive :) |
| 17:53.58 | menotume | not the term i would use for mac, but, yes :) |
| 17:54.44 | Bagheera | inclusiive, hardware prejudice, stuck up..... |
| 17:54.49 | menotume | it's basically linux, right? so libcurl should be available |
| 17:54.57 | menotume | better :) |
| 17:55.10 | menotume | expensive, more show than go |
| 17:55.28 | trepan | mac is bsd based |
| 17:55.35 | trepan | OSX, that is |
| 17:55.40 | menotume | k |
| 17:55.51 | menotume | is this a known problem ? |
| 17:55.59 | Pimpi | libcurl should be available anywa though |
| 17:56.08 | menotume | or, are all mac (osx) users out of luck ? |
| 17:56.12 | Bagheera | $300 40 yrold hooker who still says its her first time |
| 17:56.15 | lovemonkey | poop in my pants - it's working |
| 17:56.22 | trepan | menotume: i've heard the same complaint from louman's patrons |
| 17:56.26 | menotume | monkey-poop ! |
| 17:56.33 | menotume | right, that's the one :) |
| 17:56.41 | menotume | but, they can't 'global' either |
| 17:56.51 | trepan | dunno if it's because curl support wasn't compiled into their builds... |
| 17:56.56 | Pimpi | which is louman's? |
| 17:56.57 | menotume | okies |
| 17:57.03 | menotume | louman.bzflag.bz |
| 17:57.12 | menotume | it's a great map imo |
| 17:57.13 | trepan | should probably tack '-C' onto the end of the version string if curl is still going to be opitional |
| 17:57.30 | menotume | i've heard that it's mandatory now |
| 17:57.41 | trepan | from you? |
| 17:57.46 | trepan | hehe, s/you/who |
| 17:57.48 | menotume | it's used in more places in the client now |
| 17:57.59 | menotume | I *think* TR |
| 17:58.06 | menotume | not positive though |
| 17:58.41 | menotume | maybe that was for bzfs |
| 17:58.43 | lovemonkey | I need to go take these pants off -- |
| 17:58.54 | lovemonkey | Tanks a lot . . . |
| 17:58.58 | menotume | heh |
| 17:59.04 | Pimpi | global worked for me |
| 17:59.18 | menotume | you're on a MAC ? |
| 17:59.24 | Pimpi | no |
| 17:59.30 | menotume | whew |
| 17:59.31 | Pimpi | neither you |
| 17:59.34 | menotume | nope |
| 17:59.57 | menotume | i would have to change my mind about you if you said 'yes', pimpi |
| 18:00.48 | Pimpi | mac isn't actually bad, i mostly like it |
| 18:00.54 | menotume | :) |
| 18:01.06 | menotume | if it's osx, i would imagine it's fine |
| 18:01.17 | menotume | personally, i wouldn't spend the money on one though |
| 18:01.32 | Pimpi | the concept of hiding the unix system almost completely sucks though |
| 18:02.29 | Pimpi | hmm, thought of darwin thats nice |
| 18:02.45 | Pimpi | not that much osx itself |
| 18:03.52 | Pimpi | i'm goung to try freebsd when i have time, _Manu_ was impessed of it |
| 18:04.02 | menotume | ahhh |
| 18:04.09 | menotume | is that more based to servers ? |
| 18:04.21 | Pimpi | not neccessarily |
| 18:04.39 | menotume | k, i seem to remember (way back) that it was |
| 18:06.08 | Pimpi | it benefits from the desktop improvement on linux |
| 18:06.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: tack -CURL onto the end of the version string |
| 18:07.03 | Pimpi | and the *bsd developers did much work on hardware support |
| 18:07.13 | menotume | ahh |
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| 18:07.18 | menotume | there he is ! |
| 18:07.22 | trepan | Tupone: curl is still optional, yes? |
| 18:07.25 | menotume | hide, tupy |
| 18:07.39 | Pimpi | no, curl isn't anymore |
| 18:07.44 | Tupone | I don't think it is |
| 18:07.45 | Pimpi | afair |
| 18:07.46 | menotume | in the client ? |
| 18:07.54 | Tupone | curl is mandatory |
| 18:08.05 | menotume | ok, MAC users are having problems |
| 18:08.06 | trepan | why have HAVE_CURL lying around then? |
| 18:08.20 | Tupone | cause I'm lame :) |
| 18:08.25 | menotume | lol |
| 18:08.38 | menotume | I think it's a faily recent decidion, trepan |
| 18:09.06 | Tupone | decision even :) |
| 18:09.12 | menotume | that too |
| 18:09.37 | menotume | can you get textures ? |
| 18:09.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: my bad, looks like curl is now mandatory, remove the suffix |
| 18:10.05 | ToughShooter | After raising httptimeout thingy to something higher than 15ms |
| 18:10.16 | ToughShooter | Special test case? |
| 18:11.11 | Tupone | I had a look at antiban code . It seems that antiban is applied before authentication. So it cannot take into account groups or registered nick |
| 18:11.17 | menotume | right |
| 18:11.23 | menotume | it's a timing issue |
| 18:11.49 | menotume | we do one of 2 things: |
| 18:11.50 | Tupone | cannot follow coversation anymore .. nephews are overruling me :( |
| 18:11.52 | Tupone | bye |
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| 18:12.03 | menotume | heh, bye |
| 18:12.46 | menotume | i guess we know if libcurl is ok on MAC, since we made it mandatory ? :) |
| 18:13.22 | ToughShooter | I don't know if libcurl comes with developer tools or is installed by hand |
| 18:13.30 | cosmos | hand |
| 18:13.37 | menotume | ok |
| 18:13.42 | cosmos | at least in my case |
| 18:13.46 | brlcad | libcurl is installed by default |
| 18:13.52 | brlcad | one of the system libs |
| 18:13.55 | ToughShooter | err, I meant default not hand |
| 18:13.57 | cosmos | i think it complained about the version |
| 18:14.04 | cosmos | thus i compiled the current one |
| 18:14.05 | brlcad | only problems are older versions of os x |
| 18:14.22 | ToughShooter | Freud :/ |
| 18:14.25 | brlcad | since they have old versions of libcurl |
| 18:14.37 | cosmos | brlcad: you should make it only function with the absolute latest Tiger release |
| 18:15.05 | menotume | yeah, who need mac users on our servers, anyway ? |
| 18:15.16 | cosmos | ;) |
| 18:15.33 | brlcad | it should work find for 10.3+ last I checked |
| 18:15.37 | brlcad | s/find/fine/ |
| 18:15.44 | cosmos | it didnt for me |
| 18:15.59 | cosmos | but installing a current libcurl is not a big deal to me either |
| 18:16.28 | brlcad | it's definitely not "the mac way" |
| 18:16.40 | cosmos | the mac way gives me a headache |
| 18:16.57 | menotume | can the mac installer (whatever it is), do a proper check ? |
| 18:16.57 | brlcad | the mac way requires you to do nothing |
| 18:17.10 | cosmos | the next big fun project is LDAP auth for the osx desktops |
| 18:17.26 | brlcad | i highly doubt we "need" anything that's not in the system libcurl |
| 18:17.45 | brlcad | at best, I'd bet it's just a coding presumption that could be avoided |
| 18:17.47 | menotume | if, it's the right version |
| 18:18.11 | brlcad | libcurl hasn't changed drastically |
| 18:18.22 | menotume | hmm |
| 18:18.52 | menotume | I'm still confused about the 7.13.2 vs 7.14 issue |
| 18:19.07 | trepan | brlcad: i had to compile a libcurl 7.14 on your machine to avoid bzfs cores |
| 18:19.34 | menotume | me too |
| 18:19.42 | brlcad | trepan: which box? |
| 18:19.46 | trepan | bzflag.bz |
| 18:19.50 | brlcad | that's a bsd |
| 18:20.03 | brlcad | freebsd to be precise |
| 18:20.03 | menotume | mine is FC3 |
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| 18:20.29 | brlcad | i haven't updated all the ports packages in a couple months, that would probably help |
| 18:21.00 | brlcad | but what was done/changed/presumed in bz that causes the core would be interesting to find out -- i can't imagine that there isn't a workaround |
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| 18:21.11 | trepan | it looked related to multi-get |
| 18:21.20 | brlcad | it is all just simple http text chatter after all |
| 18:21.35 | menotume | that's what i thought |
| 18:21.43 | menotume | tegan has to update too |
| 18:21.45 | trepan | Tup did some stuff since then, which i overheard him and chestal saying might have fixed it |
| 18:21.55 | menotume | ahhhh |
| 18:30.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: remove the !HAVE_CURL section |
| 18:31.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): curl is mandatory, clean up a little |
| 18:32.08 | menotume | curl is mandatory? really? since when? |
| 18:32.10 | menotume | :P |
| 18:32.48 | menotume | so, is c-ares mandatory ? |
| 18:33.01 | brlcad | c-ares is included so it doesn't matter |
| 18:33.13 | menotume | ahh |
| 18:33.46 | trepan | uhm, libcurl can be built without it |
| 18:33.47 | brlcad | one of the benefits of including/providing the third party packages, one less external dep |
| 18:34.01 | menotume | by default, it builds without it, last time i did it |
| 18:37.32 | trepan | too bad curl didn't just export async dns hooks |
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| 19:34.04 | bryjen | has anyone seen a distro where the packaged libcurl was built with ares? besides gentoo-like ones where you build it all yourself anyway... |
| 19:35.11 | _Manu_ | nope |
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| 20:26.32 | trepan | cosmos: you server is going up and down every 15/30 secs |
| 20:32.37 | trepan | correction, consistently 1 minute |
| 20:36.18 | brad2901 | ~bzfquery hepcat.org |
| 20:36.23 | brad2901 | :\ |
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| 20:43.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): "fast sorted" radar |
| 20:54.04 | menotume | radar sorts ? |
| 20:57.47 | trepan | try it on LouMan's map... |
| 20:58.09 | trepan | it used to be set with "set radarSort 1" in the config, but i'm tired of telling people that |
| 21:00.00 | menotume | ahhh :) |
| 21:00.18 | menotume | ok, will do shortly |
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| 21:48.01 | DTRemenak | hola Tupone |
| 21:48.11 | Tupone | ciao |
| 21:54.22 | Tupone | any news on the curl issue (unable to contact list server) ? |
| 21:55.14 | DTRemenak | no; did you contact the guy who reported it on linux? |
| 22:06.49 | Chestal | no crash, but not workign either? |
| 22:07.06 | Chestal | it works fine on my boxes now |
| 22:07.12 | Chestal | client, that is |
| 22:09.33 | Tupone | no crash ... just unable to contact list server |
| 22:09.42 | Tupone | and I did not contact him :/ |
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| 22:38.27 | sportygal | wiz? |
| 22:40.11 | sportygal | ~seen bzflagwiz |
| 22:40.11 | ibot | bzflagwiz is currently on #bzflag (4m 26s) |
| 22:41.19 | Tupone | sportygal: I read some line of codes of antiban :( |
| 22:41.24 | sportygal | bzflagwiz: try pming me if you can - this phone client sucks |
| 22:41.43 | sportygal | uhoh - bad news? |
| 22:42.09 | Tupone | yeah, I don't think antiban works with list-server information |
| 22:42.43 | Tupone | cause list-server (authentication) request is made after ban |
| 22:43.02 | sportygal | sigh - wasn't that the oint of setting it up in the first place? |
| 22:43.06 | Tupone | so you check for ban and antiban and the request authentication |
| 22:43.13 | Tupone | s/teh/then/ |
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| 22:44.00 | sportygal | sigh |
| 22:44.02 | Tupone | In this way that seems to not work ... |
| 22:45.45 | Tupone | I have made a file called filter.txt (IIRC) that could do that things just based on IP. so you can ban a range and unban a individual IP. only yhis does not have any admin interface, just a text-file. And if you change you have to restart bzfs. |
| 22:46.07 | sportygal | bzflagwiz: I can't see u r talking |
| 22:46.32 | Tupone | I thought at it for kerberos, Without it, the same things could be done with iptables |
| 22:47.27 | sportygal | tupone: thanks but that is impractical if not impossible with the current state of things at secretplace. what happebned? it USED to work just fine |
| 22:48.16 | Tupone | I don't know what, could be that you use a local database for authentication? |
| 22:48.29 | Tupone | at least some people? |
| 22:49.48 | sportygal | as far as I know - no. we have a special usergroup set up with antiban privieges. otherwise all is the same |
| 22:50.55 | sportygal | the folks in that group that are getting around hostbans are just fine. but if it is a straight ip or ip-range ban, it doesn't work |
| 22:51.47 | Tupone | ahh so it is only hostban that does work, and antiban associated to that. It is that so ? |
| 22:52.45 | Tupone | that is, hostban take sometimes too, to get resolved. And then the first who comes, between authentication or dns rules |
| 22:52.49 | sportygal | correct |
| 22:53.13 | Tupone | only question of times :( |
| 22:53.20 | sportygal | sigh |
| 22:53.50 | sportygal | i'm very sorry but I need to go now |
| 22:53.51 | Tupone | but I speeded up authentication , so good |
| 22:53.54 | Tupone | cya |
| 22:54.10 | sportygal | ok cya |
| 22:58.25 | menotume | Topne, i think that may not be ture , lemme check |
| 22:59.00 | Tupone | eek, problem at typing ? |
| 22:59.12 | menotume | I think that specific IP ban will be a problem too, if that player isn't on when the ban takes p[lace |
| 22:59.20 | menotume | always :) |
| 23:00.09 | Tupone | lemme rephrase: IP ban does not take into account antiban from authentication |
| 23:00.18 | menotume | correct |
| 23:00.35 | menotume | so, it's not just hostban |
| 23:00.36 | Tupone | host ban can take or not, depending on what is faster |
| 23:00.53 | Tupone | authentication or dns resolving |
| 23:00.56 | menotume | dunno - i didn't look at hostban stuff yet |
| 23:01.08 | menotume | but, taht makes sense, yes |
| 23:01.15 | Tupone | hostban uses c-ares, and take time to resolve |
| 23:01.37 | Tupone | while that, authentication could have worked or not |
| 23:01.50 | menotume | sounds right |
| 23:02.05 | menotume | that's not the issue that cosmos had, though |
| 23:02.12 | menotume | had nothing to do with hostban |
| 23:02.39 | Tupone | ip ban ban everyone, even if antibanned |
| 23:02.46 | menotume | yep |
| 23:03.07 | menotume | so, 2 possible solutions : |
| 23:03.10 | Tupone | so, what is untrue ? Perhaps bad explained |
| 23:03.14 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:03.18 | menotume | 1) allow the banned person to play until auth takes place |
| 23:03.42 | menotume | Ip ban bans you even if you have ANITBAN permiss |
| 23:03.53 | menotume | because of the timing on when things are checked |
| 23:04.29 | menotume | 2) put everyone in a queue upon connect, don't make them a player until auth takes place |
| 23:05.14 | menotume | (only if using global, of course) |
| 23:05.22 | Tupone | and timeout if no authentication at all ? |
| 23:05.35 | DTRemenak | Tupone, any idea why autogen takes so much longer since the autoconf changes? |
| 23:06.01 | menotume | Tupone: isn't there some kind of timeout on auth ? |
| 23:06.18 | menotume | i guess there doesn't really have to be |
| 23:06.22 | Tupone | menotume: I don't think , but I'm not sure |
| 23:06.30 | menotume | k |
| 23:06.45 | Tupone | DTRemenak: a clean tree ? |
| 23:06.52 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 23:07.07 | DTRemenak | consistently takes about 14 minutes on my server, instead of about 3. |
| 23:07.26 | menotume | for autogen ? |
| 23:07.29 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:07.32 | Tupone | better clean it. If you autogen on an old tree, you continue to use the old version of auto* |
| 23:07.42 | DTRemenak | Tupone, no, clean tree since then |
| 23:07.46 | DTRemenak | just not recently |
| 23:07.51 | Tupone | ahh |
| 23:08.00 | DTRemenak | when you did the changes, I cleaned. after that, I have not |
| 23:08.34 | menotume | it took about 15 seconds here |
| 23:08.36 | Tupone | hmmm, bash issue then |
| 23:10.05 | Tupone | mine take 45 seconds |
| 23:11.07 | DTRemenak | 33 seconds on my desktop |
| 23:11.11 | Tupone | DTRemenak: perhaps a bad env? like a big list for PATH or something similar |
| 23:11.16 | menotume | 20 seconds after a make distclean |
| 23:11.51 | DTRemenak | but I'm wondering, if it had used to take 6 seconds on my desktop and now takes 30, would I notice? |
| 23:11.59 | menotume | :) |
| 23:12.10 | menotume | good point |
| 23:12.12 | DTRemenak | wheras 3 minutes to 14 minutes is way noticable, even though it's the same % change :) |
| 23:13.39 | Tupone | DTRemenak: auto* are meant to be more precise now, loosing on speed |
| 23:14.01 | DTRemenak | ah, ok. see, that's just what I was wondering, was whether there was a real reason for it :) |
| 23:15.34 | DTRemenak | also kinda frustrating to sit at a blank prompt for 15 minutes waiting for the dang thing :) |
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| 23:44.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/data/Makefile.am: actually install the effects textures. can't believe none of you *nix people noticed this before... |
| 23:45.19 | trepan | DTRemenak: heh, like i've ever done 'make install' ;) |
| 23:45.29 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:46.05 | menotume | heh, me neither |
| 23:46.51 | menotume | i was surprised when i was missing tank bitmaps a week ago or so |
| 23:47.05 | DTRemenak | I always do "./configure --enable-debug && make -s install" when I'm building in linux |
| 23:47.31 | DTRemenak | then just "bzflag" gives me the latest and most broken^W^W best |