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| 00:06.30 | blast007 | hello hiya |
| 00:07.00 | brad2901 | Hi hiya |
| 00:07.20 | DTRemenak | hiya hiya |
| 00:07.29 | blast007 | I was tempted to say that ;) |
| 00:07.34 | DTRemenak | I know :) |
| 00:07.42 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:07.51 | hiya | hi |
| 00:08.01 | brad2901 | ask then |
| 00:08.12 | brad2901 | ask your question |
| 00:08.19 | blast007 | lag issues yet? |
| 00:08.38 | brad2901 | hmm |
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| 00:50.02 | DTRemenak | blast007: you have a rumbling joystick/gamepad, right? |
| 00:50.27 | DTRemenak | or do you have a real force feedback device? |
| 00:52.02 | blast007 | mine is rumble |
| 00:52.29 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 00:52.48 | DTRemenak | I just got a real ff device and the effects all pull left :) |
| 00:52.56 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:53.05 | DTRemenak | so I was gonna try some tweakin' but I wanted to make sure someone could test that I didn't break rumblers too :) |
| 00:53.13 | blast007 | k |
| 00:55.20 | DTRemenak | or maybe I'll just write another couple functions to handle it separately |
| 00:56.58 | blast007 | yeah, could be a different FF mode |
| 00:57.47 | blast007 | then in the input menu it could be 'None', 'Rumble', and 'Directional' (or whatever they call it) ;) |
| 00:58.21 | DTRemenak | "Directional" I like that. best I'd thought of is "Standard" :) |
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| 00:58.37 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:59.35 | DTRemenak | sadly on windows there's no way to detect which type a joystick supports :( |
| 00:59.59 | blast007 | hmm |
| 01:00.43 | blast007 | we should have a FF effect test page, hehe, jk sorta ;) |
| 01:01.35 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 01:03.56 | blast007 | anway, I'm heading home |
| 01:03.57 | blast007 | cya |
| 01:04.05 | blast007 | anyway* |
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| 01:17.03 | RPG_ | hi again |
| 01:17.28 | RPG_ | what's a "voiced" user on IRC? |
| 01:18.27 | RPG_ | sup |
| 01:20.44 | RPG_ | hi |
| 01:21.53 | DTRemenak | RPG_: voiced users can talk in channels which are restricted to voiced users talking |
| 01:22.12 | RPG_ | oh |
| 01:22.38 | RPG_ | say... could I just use sockets to HTTP GET reportmatch.php ? |
| 01:22.50 | RPG_ | that way they'd be compatible with all versions, right? |
| 01:23.41 | DTRemenak | you _could_ |
| 01:24.01 | RPG_ | i'm gonna forget about that for now and concentrate on data gathering |
| 01:24.15 | RPG_ | hmm.. you can't use the operator .= in C++? |
| 01:25.44 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 01:25.48 | RPG_ | darn |
| 01:25.51 | DTRemenak | if you're using std::strings use += |
| 01:25.55 | DTRemenak | otherwise strcat |
| 01:26.03 | RPG_ | see, that raises another problme |
| 01:26.12 | DTRemenak | what does? |
| 01:26.21 | RPG_ | it says it can't convert std::string's to const char* 's in the sendMessage function. |
| 01:26.29 | RPG_ | i have the program outputting the playerinfo to sendMessage |
| 01:26.30 | RPG_ | for deubgging |
| 01:26.55 | DTRemenak | use std::string string.c_str() |
| 01:27.06 | DTRemenak | you can't cast them :) |
| 01:27.20 | DTRemenak | rather nonintuitive |
| 01:27.59 | RPG_ | 2638 G:\Programs\Dev-Cpp\repisitories\bzflag-2.0.2.20050318\src\bzfs\commands.cxx expected primary-expression before "string" |
| 01:28.13 | RPG_ | std::string string.c_str() players = "?"; |
| 01:28.18 | DTRemenak | that was an example |
| 01:28.20 | DTRemenak | players.c_str() |
| 01:28.24 | RPG_ | doh |
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| 01:29.12 | RPG_ | i'm used to PHP |
| 01:29.13 | SolarisVII | ~bzfquery 67.183.224.154:5155 |
| 01:29.54 | RPG_ | so.... THIS is correct? std::string players.c_str() = "?"; |
| 01:30.11 | DTRemenak | no |
| 01:30.20 | DTRemenak | for assignment you can use players = "?"; |
| 01:30.26 | RPG_ | got it |
| 01:30.39 | DTRemenak | but you can't use "char * this = std::string that;" |
| 01:30.55 | DTRemenak | you need to use "char* this = that.c_str();" |
| 01:31.06 | RPG_ | ahh |
| 01:31.17 | DTRemenak | the other way works though :) |
| 01:31.27 | DTRemenak | c_str() is a read-only "getter" |
| 01:31.52 | RPG_ | if it's read only how do you assign stuff to it? |
| 01:32.11 | DTRemenak | std::strings can take casted char* |
| 01:32.21 | DTRemenak | so std::string this = char* that; is ok |
| 01:32.34 | RPG_ | k |
| 01:32.46 | RPG_ | i've looked, but not seriously edited C++ code before |
| 01:32.51 | DTRemenak | or even explicity case std::string this = (std::string)that; |
| 01:32.52 | RPG_ | just know PHP... |
| 01:33.02 | DTRemenak | STL is a pain :) |
| 01:33.42 | RPG_ | hmm... it won't pass this "std::string players.c_str();" |
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| 01:33.54 | RPG_ | says 2expected primary-expression before "players" |
| 01:33.59 | RPG_ | wihtout the 2 |
| 01:36.05 | ep | just pass "players.c_str()" |
| 01:36.58 | RPG_ | that doesn't work eidhtre |
| 01:36.59 | RPG_ | either |
| 01:37.47 | ep | whats the error message |
| 01:38.10 | RPG_ | first use of function players |
| 01:38.28 | DTRemenak | what's the offending line of code? |
| 01:38.37 | RPG_ | players.c_str(); |
| 01:38.42 | ep | players must be a std::string... its not apparently |
| 01:38.46 | DTRemenak | no, the whole line |
| 01:38.53 | RPG_ | that is the whole line |
| 01:38.59 | RPG_ | ep suggested i try it |
| 01:39.00 | DTRemenak | well wth are you trying to do? |
| 01:39.04 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:39.20 | RPG_ | trying to get players to be complatible with const char* |
| 01:39.32 | DTRemenak | why do you need it compatible? |
| 01:39.53 | RPG_ | because if it's std::string; it says it can't convert std::string to const char* for use in sendMessage |
| 01:40.22 | DTRemenak | right...so when you're using sendMessage, do "sendMessage(id, whatever other parameters go here, players.c_str());" |
| 01:41.01 | RPG_ | nice! |
| 01:41.03 | DTRemenak | players.c_str() returns a const char* to the string |
| 01:41.08 | RPG_ | gotta test it out |
| 01:42.32 | RPG_ | that is awesome |
| 01:42.45 | RPG_ | i like when stuff works :) |
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| 01:43.19 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 01:43.34 | RPG_ | next: get team scores |
| 01:43.45 | SolarisVII | ok, i've setup a server...but when someone connects, they cant join for some reason...any idea why? |
| 01:43.46 | RPG_ | lets seeif i can get this myself |
| 01:44.31 | RPG_ | 1 question; what class would the team info be in? |
| 01:44.43 | RPG_ | such as GameKeeper::Player |
| 01:46.13 | SolarisVII | !bzfquery 67.183.224.154:5155 |
| 01:46.24 | RPG_ | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 01:46.36 | SolarisVII | ~bzfquery 67.183.224.154:5155 |
| 01:46.39 | DTRemenak | what kind of team info? |
| 01:46.42 | RPG_ | scores |
| 01:46.45 | RPG_ | wins/losses |
| 01:46.51 | RPG_ | ~RPG |
| 01:46.51 | ibot | Role Playing Game |
| 01:46.55 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG |
| 01:46.55 | ibot | rpg has karma of 8 |
| 01:47.02 | RPG_ | ~RPG++ |
| 01:47.02 | DTRemenak | team scores are in the global team array |
| 01:47.15 | DTRemenak | so just use teams[RedTeam].team....whatever |
| 01:47.17 | RPG_ | wins/losses too? |
| 01:47.42 | DTRemenak | yeah, it should be there. if you need access to stuff you don't have, it's easy to write functions to give it to you |
| 01:48.03 | DTRemenak | wins and losses are probably private so you may need to write a public getter for them |
| 01:48.25 | RPG_ | but they're shown on the scoreboard :) |
| 01:48.37 | brlcad | ~seen ratometer |
| 01:48.37 | ibot | i haven't seen 'ratometer', brlcad |
| 01:48.50 | RPG_ | ~seen RPG |
| 01:48.50 | ibot | rpg <~knoppix@c-24-15-87-171.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 165d 22h 22m 51s ago, saying: ':sigh: i'll go get a FAT32 drive'. |
| 01:49.09 | RPG_ | and i never got that drive |
| 01:49.30 | DTRemenak | they're sent to the clients |
| 01:49.41 | DTRemenak | there's probably a public pack() function that's used to send them out |
| 01:49.48 | DTRemenak | but that's not going to be very useful to you ;) |
| 01:49.54 | RPG_ | nope |
| 01:50.11 | RPG_ | but... when I join a server how could the wins - losses be there? |
| 01:50.17 | RPG_ | i expected the server to send them to me |
| 01:50.55 | brlcad | menotume: i host *.bzflag.bz, only exception is irc.bzflag.bz which points to one of nidhoggr's boxes for the cgi:irc |
| 01:51.57 | brlcad | if you want to set stuff up there or change/manage/run something, just lemme know ;) |
| 01:53.20 | DTRemenak | RPG_: yeah, they're sent to the clients |
| 01:53.37 | brlcad | that pretty much goes the same for any of the bzflag regulars too, if you haven't heard me say it before already |
| 01:53.50 | DTRemenak | just because the clients get something from the server doesn't mean another part of the server can necessarily get it from the server :) |
| 01:53.59 | RPG_ | oh |
| 01:54.03 | DTRemenak | another reason to use the plugin api ;) |
| 01:55.05 | RPG_ | i need to know which team has 7 captures |
| 01:55.32 | DTRemenak | yeah, you'll need to expose a private member to do that |
| 01:55.37 | DTRemenak | no big deal |
| 01:55.51 | RPG_ | "" for you :) |
| 01:55.52 | DTRemenak | just add a function to return wins; and one to return losses; |
| 01:55.59 | brlcad | hey, we'll have nobody exposing private members in here! |
| 01:56.17 | RPG_ | sounds hard :) |
| 01:56.18 | DTRemenak | I KNEW someone was gonna make a crack about that :) |
| 01:56.30 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:56.33 | RPG_ | sounds terrible |
| 01:56.51 | DTRemenak | suh-weeet |
| 01:58.10 | RPG_ | you commited the privacy-invading functions? |
| 01:58.43 | brlcad | I bet he was just looking for an opportunity to expose something |
| 01:58.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): directional force feedback support, part 1: constant directional forces |
| 01:58.50 | DTRemenak | no, no, no...I have my projects too you know :) |
| 01:59.18 | DTRemenak | now when I shoot, I don't swerve left :) |
| 01:59.29 | RPG_ | lol |
| 01:59.34 | RPG_ | but what about when I shoot |
| 01:59.51 | DTRemenak | depends who you're shootin' at |
| 02:00.40 | brlcad | ew |
| 02:01.45 | DTRemenak | ew? |
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| 02:04.44 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.01 | brlcad | DTRemenak, probably more satisfying that working on number one at least .. |
| 02:05.29 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:06.27 | RPG_ | crap |
| 02:06.57 | RPG_ | the function getTeam() returns a TeamColor... but it shows up as a blank space when I tell the server to output it |
| 02:07.29 | DTRemenak | TeamColor is an int |
| 02:07.46 | RPG_ | this "players += data->player.getTeam();" |
| 02:07.48 | RPG_ | returned " " |
| 02:07.54 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:08.03 | RPG_ | :slap-on-the-head: |
| 02:08.05 | RPG_ | i got it now! |
| 02:08.06 | DTRemenak | this is c, you can't append ints to strings |
| 02:08.19 | DTRemenak | use TextUtils::FormatString or something |
| 02:08.38 | RPG_ | so i gotta go "if(data->player.getTeam() == 2) players += "blue"" |
| 02:08.45 | DTRemenak | yeah or that :) |
| 02:08.50 | RPG_ | got it:) |
| 02:08.54 | RPG_ | i'm learrning already |
| 02:09.01 | DTRemenak | actually there should be something that gives you that already |
| 02:09.03 | brlcad | there's a team func to do something to that effect already |
| 02:09.06 | DTRemenak | might be on the bzflag side though |
| 02:09.27 | RPG_ | yea i didn't see any team getting functions besides getTeam |
| 02:09.28 | brlcad | eep, getting slow on the draw, must be late |
| 02:09.34 | RPG_ | dev-c++ has a nice function browser |
| 02:09.58 | brlcad | try just reading the source :) there's a get team by name and by id |
| 02:09.58 | DTRemenak | ah, microseconds |
| 02:10.04 | DTRemenak | why don't they just use freaking floats |
| 02:10.27 | DTRemenak | microsecond is 1/1000 of a second right? |
| 02:10.33 | RPG_ | crap what's that file that relates team numbers to team names again? |
| 02:10.46 | DTRemenak | global.h |
| 02:10.51 | RPG_ | got it |
| 02:10.57 | DTRemenak | but you can always just use the names |
| 02:11.22 | RPG_ | but i gotta translate ID's to name |
| 02:11.22 | DTRemenak | if(data->player.getTeam() == BlueTeam) players += "blue"; is more readable imho |
| 02:11.52 | RPG_ | that's a good way to do it |
| 02:11.59 | RPG_ | except what's rogue and observer? |
| 02:12.01 | RPG_ | RogueTeam? |
| 02:12.04 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 02:12.05 | RPG_ | ObserverTeam? |
| 02:12.08 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 02:12.11 | RPG_ | k! |
| 02:12.18 | DTRemenak | tough little buggers to figure out aren't they ;) |
| 02:12.18 | RPG_ | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 02:12.54 | brlcad | char* Team::getName(TeamColor team) |
| 02:13.45 | brlcad | players += data->player.getName(); |
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| 02:14.17 | RPG_ | you mean that'd work? |
| 02:14.19 | RPG_ | all along? |
| 02:14.26 | RPG_ | i have 6 if statements that could be replaced by that? |
| 02:14.29 | brlcad | something to that effect |
| 02:15.17 | brlcad | players += Team::getName(data->player.getTeam()); |
| 02:15.20 | brlcad | that should do it |
| 02:15.58 | RPG_ | gotta test :) |
| 02:17.16 | RPG_ | works, but you'd have to URL encode "Blue Team" |
| 02:18.01 | DTRemenak | there's a function for that too |
| 02:18.09 | DTRemenak | TextUtils::URLEncode or something |
| 02:18.16 | brlcad | url_encode |
| 02:18.19 | DTRemenak | yeah that |
| 02:18.29 | brlcad | so.. |
| 02:18.36 | RPG_ | is url_encode inside the class TextUtils::URLEncode ? |
| 02:18.46 | brlcad | players += TextUtils::url_encode(Team::getName(data->player.getTeam())); |
| 02:19.22 | brlcad | might not like the char * -> const std::string & conversion |
| 02:19.38 | brlcad | but should/could cast |
| 02:19.46 | RPG_ | i'll try it |
| 02:20.28 | RPG_ | compiled fine |
| 02:20.58 | RPG_ | timriker makes it seem like his home burnt down |
| 02:21.07 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 02:25.28 | RPG_ | woah did you just make yourself an operator? |
| 02:26.00 | RPG_ | brlcad ring |
| 02:26.20 | brlcad | hmm? |
| 02:26.29 | RPG_ | what function would dump the variable players to a file? |
| 02:26.43 | brlcad | no i didn't, chanserv did |
| 02:26.46 | RPG_ | oh |
| 02:27.06 | RPG_ | better yet... could you make a system call though BZFS? |
| 02:27.14 | brlcad | of course you could |
| 02:27.20 | RPG_ | something like "php reportmatch.php" |
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| 02:27.31 | RPG_ | first: how do you write stuff to a file? |
| 02:27.34 | brlcad | bzfs isn't in php |
| 02:27.40 | RPG_ | i know; i'd call php |
| 02:27.43 | RPG_ | from BZFS |
| 02:27.48 | brlcad | why?? |
| 02:27.53 | RPG_ | and then a PHP script would take the dumped file; and send it to the league server |
| 02:28.08 | brlcad | just send it to the league server from bzfs |
| 02:28.55 | RPG_ | I was gonna do that at first; i just thought it'd be easier do dump it and let PHP take care of it |
| 02:28.55 | brlcad | there's not really much you can do in php that is more than a standard function call in C already |
| 02:28.59 | RPG_ | 'cause i'm good with PHP |
| 02:29.41 | RPG_ | well... might you suggest how to send an HTTP GET query from bzfs? |
| 02:30.45 | brlcad | bzfs does talks http via libcurl already to talk to the list server |
| 02:31.02 | brlcad | and/or c-ares |
| 02:31.14 | RPG_ | but i'm applying my patch to a 2.0.2 server |
| 02:31.23 | RPG_ | and DTR said that HTTP stuff changed from 2.0.2 to 2.0.3 |
| 02:31.30 | RPG_ | the league manager wants to use 2.0.2 |
| 02:31.42 | RPG_ | but he'll probably want to upgrade when 2.0.4 comes out |
| 02:31.49 | brlcad | doesn't mean you can't use those routines still |
| 02:31.59 | RPG_ | but i'd have to recode the HTTP part |
| 02:32.13 | RPG_ | unless i code in BOTH versions of the HTTP part; and just comment on eout... |
| 02:32.15 | brlcad | you'll have to 'recode the http part' in php too then |
| 02:32.33 | RPG_ | but the PHP script wouldn't be tied to the BZFS version |
| 02:32.49 | RPG_ | all it would do is read the dumped file and HTTP GET a file on th eleague server |
| 02:32.49 | brlcad | neither would the c code |
| 02:33.05 | brlcad | the point is that it doesn't buy you anything to syscall out to php |
| 02:33.23 | RPG_ | i'll believe you on that one :) |
| 02:33.40 | RPG_ | is there a standard cURL function to HTTP GET? |
| 02:33.42 | brlcad | it's just more familiar to you so you're seeing a nail when you're just familiar with your hammer ;) |
| 02:34.00 | SolarisVII | Anyone know why my friend can connect but cant join my server? |
| 02:34.09 | RPG_ | can connect to waht? |
| 02:34.21 | SolarisVII | to my server...im running BZFS |
| 02:34.27 | SolarisVII | but everytime he connects... |
| 02:34.28 | RPG_ | are you runnign windwos? |
| 02:34.37 | SolarisVII | he cant actully join the game by pressing I |
| 02:34.37 | RPG_ | * is the server on a windows computer? |
| 02:34.39 | SolarisVII | yea |
| 02:34.42 | RPG_ | tada |
| 02:34.52 | RPG_ | theres your probme |
| 02:35.06 | SolarisVII | run on Linux? |
| 02:35.08 | RPG_ | yep |
| 02:35.24 | SolarisVII | ahhhh ok, thank you much :-) |
| 02:35.34 | RPG_ | ~SolarisVII++ |
| 02:35.44 | RPG_ | SolarisVII++ |
| 02:35.48 | RPG_ | hmmm |
| 02:35.53 | RPG_ | ~++SolarisVII |
| 02:36.00 | RPG_ | ++SolarisVII |
| 02:36.06 | RPG_ | whatever |
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| 02:36.23 | RPG_ | you havn't been around lately |
| 02:36.52 | SolarisVII | btw...what kind of linux, theres a bunch of different kinds.. |
| 02:37.00 | RPG_ | any one works iirc |
| 02:37.27 | RPG_ | brlcad, would parseURL do the trick? |
| 02:37.51 | RPG_ | ~RPG++ |
| 02:37.55 | RPG_ | RPG++ |
| 02:38.02 | RPG_ | i gotta figure out the karma syntax |
| 02:38.06 | RPG_ | ++RPG |
| 02:38.09 | RPG_ | ~++RPG |
| 02:38.20 | brlcad | ~RPG-- |
| 02:38.21 | brad2901 | ~RPG++ is correct |
| 02:38.21 | ibot | okay, brad2901 |
| 02:38.23 | brad2901 | ;p |
| 02:38.39 | bryjen | bah. just saying "use linux" is _not_ solving a problem |
| 02:38.43 | RPG_ | ~karma rpg |
| 02:38.43 | ibot | rpg has karma of 9 |
| 02:39.20 | RPG_ | that was my problem too at one point; and someone told me "use linux"... and it worked |
| 02:39.33 | orchid | heh |
| 02:40.16 | orchid | RPG_: pretty drastic solution though |
| 02:40.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:40.46 | RPG_ | i don't think anyone's ever got bzfs to work right on windwos |
| 02:41.01 | DTRemenak | RPG_: zalmoxis.bakadigital.com runs on a windows machine half the time |
| 02:41.10 | RPG_ | really? |
| 02:41.13 | RPG_ | i stand corrected |
| 02:41.14 | DTRemenak | it works ok for short-term, usually, on some machines ;) |
| 02:41.16 | bryjen | there were a couple of public servers running on 2k i thought |
| 02:41.20 | RPG_ | actually... sit corrected |
| 02:41.35 | DTRemenak | on some machines it just doesn't work |
| 02:41.45 | DTRemenak | on most it only usually works |
| 02:42.00 | RPG_ | let me slip on one last question... how can i have BZFS write somethign to a file? |
| 02:42.06 | RPG_ | what function(s)? |
| 02:42.12 | DTRemenak | yay, perfect |
| 02:42.40 | RPG_ | 'cause I can't find anything about cURL |
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| 02:43.44 | RPG_ | *openFile(const char *filename, const char *mode); |
| 02:43.45 | brlcad | write(), fwrite(), fputs(), ... |
| 02:43.49 | RPG_ | *openWriteFile(int playerIndex, const char *filename); |
| 02:43.54 | RPG_ | k |
| 02:43.59 | RPG_ | k brlcad |
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| 02:48.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/ForceFeedback.cxx platform/DXJoystick.cxx): directional force feedback support, part 2: periodic forces |
| 02:49.03 | DTRemenak | w00t. force feedback is kick-ass :) |
| 02:49.36 | RPG_ | you mean we coudl be driving straight and all the sudden there might be a jolt to the left? |
| 02:49.46 | RPG_ | and you'll be there to attack our right flank? |
| 02:49.58 | DTRemenak | yeah, could be :) |
| 02:50.09 | RPG_ | cool |
| 02:50.25 | RPG_ | i gottta get me a force feedback wheel |
| 02:51.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: directional force feedback support |
| 03:00.50 | RPG_ | grrr |
| 03:00.58 | RPG_ | is it possible to write std::strings to a file? |
| 03:02.50 | DTRemenak | use .c_str() |
| 03:02.58 | RPG_ | i did |
| 03:03.00 | RPG_ | but it writes a number |
| 03:03.08 | RPG_ | it writes this "13352684" |
| 03:03.23 | RPG_ | fprintf(f,"%d",players.c_str()); |
| 03:04.39 | brlcad | it's a char* |
| 03:05.33 | RPG_ | so can it be converted to readable words? |
| 03:05.38 | RPG_ | ASCII words? |
| 03:05.47 | brlcad | those are readable ascii words |
| 03:05.54 | brlcad | you told it to print a number |
| 03:06.09 | RPG_ | i did? |
| 03:06.13 | brlcad | you did |
| 03:06.13 | RPG_ | oh... with %d? |
| 03:06.14 | DTRemenak | %d is integer |
| 03:06.17 | DTRemenak | %s is string |
| 03:06.22 | RPG_ | stupid internet help guides |
| 03:06.43 | RPG_ | let's not get started : ) |
| 03:07.23 | RPG_ | take #22 |
| 03:08.07 | RPG_ | O MY GOD IT WORKS! |
| 03:08.22 | brlcad | surprise surprise, gomer |
| 03:08.42 | RPG_ | now I feel like i could code anything :P |
| 03:11.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:11.57 | RPG_ | ...now I need team scores! |
| 03:13.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ForceFeedback.cxx ForceFeedback.h LocalPlayer.cxx): shockwave FF effect |
| 03:14.08 | RPG_ | what will that do? |
| 03:14.39 | DTRemenak | when you fire shockwave, it gives you a different effect than other shots |
| 03:15.22 | RPG_ | cool |
| 03:18.01 | blast007 | :) |
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| 03:28.04 | cosmos | man o man |
| 03:28.10 | cosmos | dsl out for 30+ hours |
| 03:28.24 | cosmos | SBC global "mistakenly" cancelled my isps circuits |
| 03:30.28 | orange | ouch |
| 03:31.25 | cosmos | heh yeah the isp will probably lose a majority of business |
| 03:31.54 | cosmos | they sent us the SBC email too wanting a $250,000 deposit to turn the line back on tat they shut off by accident |
| 03:32.17 | cosmos | we are heading back into the one phone company nonsense |
| 03:32.31 | cosmos | after they buy each other out and we end up with one big corporate giant |
| 03:34.45 | purple_cow | cosmos: at least when it was just AT&T, it was one big corporate giant whose absolute ideal was perfect reliability |
| 03:36.25 | cosmos | heh |
| 03:36.34 | cosmos | i remember leasing the phones from the phone co |
| 03:36.55 | orange | I remember rotary dial, I bet most people here don't |
| 03:37.02 | orange | (I'm sure you do cosmos :-) |
| 03:37.07 | cosmos | the only ideal they have now is how to fleece you out of your cash |
| 03:37.19 | cosmos | is rotary dial that old? |
| 03:37.31 | cosmos | i still have 2 rotary phones |
| 03:37.57 | orange | if anyone else here were talking, I'd bet a lot of them have never used a rotary dial phone |
| 03:38.06 | orange | though they might know what they are from movies |
| 03:38.11 | DTRemenak | hey, I used a rotary phone for a long time |
| 03:38.28 | blast007 | my grandparents house still has one :) |
| 03:38.34 | orange | lol |
| 03:38.38 | DTRemenak | my parents house still has one |
| 03:38.46 | cosmos | my fav is misdialing and having to start the rotary sequence over |
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| 03:42.42 | Grumbler | my basement has a rotary phone |
| 03:56.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (RecordReplay.cxx RecordReplay.h): indexed file selection for replay loading |
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| 04:06.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (man/bzfs.6.in src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx): document replay's load by index |
| 04:06.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ares.vcproj: don't mix libcmt and msvcrt |
| 04:07.55 | cosmos | i need a 200TB array to record 24/7 hepcat server traffic |
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| 04:47.35 | Aribeth | heh |
| 04:50.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/RecordReplay.cxx: this probably fixes an untested windows glitch |
| 04:53.10 | DTRemenak | shame on you for not testing your glitches ;) |
| 04:54.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 3 dirs): directional force feedback support, part 3: resistance forces. make the joystick fight back when you're oscillated or burrowed. |
| 04:55.28 | DTRemenak | s/oscillated/sealed I suppose |
| 05:03.53 | blast007 | could also do resistance when they have momentum |
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| 05:07.01 | DTRemenak | heh, true :) |
| 05:34.17 | Grumbler | every missle fire/super bullet should have a little more punch to it |
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| 05:42.53 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: every shot has a little more punch ;) |
| 05:46.25 | Grumbler | yeah, but shouldnt they be proportional to the weapon used :) |
| 05:47.03 | Grumbler | ah well, bed time |
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| 07:12.56 | SportChick | ever had to babelfish something? This is soooo appropriate! http://www.tashian.com/perl/multibabel.cgi |
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| 07:44.32 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
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| 07:46.40 | LePoulpe303 | i have a problem on winxp : my config.cfg file seems to be rewritten each time i launch the game ; options that i write inside are lost ; any idea ? |
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| 08:42.07 | Tegan | hi |
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| 09:04.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): TimeKeeper::sleep argument changed from float to double, update the callers |
| 09:25.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Use std::string::size_type instead of unsigned int. Fix 64 bit OS |
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| 10:37.39 | koalabear | hiyas the bear is in the house :) |
| 10:38.11 | koalabear | there's a bear in there, and .... |
| 10:38.24 | koalabear | stories to tell. |
| 10:38.37 | koalabear | ^_^ |
| 11:23.52 | koalabear | DTRemenak, servers ROCK!! |
| 11:24.51 | koalabear | does anyone know why DTRemenak server ping replys are much better than all the other US servers? |
| 11:26.16 | Tupone | have you tried a tracepath from there ? |
| 11:26.42 | koalabear | no I haven't but maybe the links between Aust and US is near DTRemenak server. |
| 11:26.58 | koalabear | it's very stable |
| 11:27.20 | koalabear | 245 is really good, infact it is the only server I can play on outside australia |
| 11:30.25 | koalabear | I have an idea for bzflag, how about bookmarks for fav servers? |
| 11:31.43 | Tupone | you are no tthe first on that |
| 11:32.13 | Tupone | so .. 245 is good :) |
| 11:32.25 | Tupone | Most of the server do not allow |
| 11:32.53 | koalabear | baby 245 is very good trust me on that, its 245 or stay at home and play with your bot |
| 11:33.01 | koalabear | usually 300ms |
| 11:33.05 | koalabear | I get kicked |
| 11:33.15 | koalabear | 245 is a dialup speed |
| 11:33.19 | koalabear | I have a adsl modem |
| 11:33.35 | Tupone | just don't say is really good :) Good is enough |
| 11:33.47 | koalabear | I get 90ms in Australia |
| 11:34.01 | koalabear | and that's great, but no much point if your by yourself. |
| 11:34.09 | Tupone | lol |
| 11:34.24 | koalabear | so that's why 245 is so good |
| 11:34.45 | koalabear | Im not sure why bzflag is not as popular in aust |
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| 11:35.06 | koalabear | great game lots of fun, good spirit |
| 11:35.07 | Tupone | aust -> austria ? |
| 11:35.10 | koalabear | yes |
| 11:35.12 | koalabear | I mean |
| 11:35.15 | koalabear | australia |
| 11:35.17 | koalabear | very close |
| 11:35.18 | Tupone | :) |
| 11:35.19 | koalabear | :) |
| 11:35.41 | koalabear | if I was in austria I would be getting much better ping |
| 11:36.17 | Tupone | but then ... you cannot play with australian friends |
| 11:36.26 | koalabear | what are arent' any |
| 11:36.37 | koalabear | I mean there arn't any to play with |
| 11:36.56 | Tupone | j/k :) |
| 11:37.24 | koalabear | they are playing stuff like CS and QT and other games that are not up to bzflag standars. |
| 11:38.08 | koalabear | there are a few ver interestring projects |
| 11:38.41 | koalabear | one where you pliot robots, the graphics look very impressive for a open source game. |
| 11:39.21 | koalabear | but bzflag is just plan good fun |
| 11:40.40 | koalabear | I wanna stick gentoo on my old toshiba laptop |
| 11:40.53 | Tupone | gentoo is great :) |
| 11:41.05 | koalabear | yeah I'm using it right now |
| 11:41.16 | koalabear | fell in love with it. |
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| 13:15.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: Better specify post length, as have bad behaviour an amd64 (or old curl?) |
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| 13:31.10 | Tupone | Chestal: doing 600 FPS and it is good for (-d -d -d -d) |
| 13:31.52 | Chestal | Tupone: 600 or more than? It was good for me around 500 and bad at 800, so could be anythign in-between |
| 13:32.08 | Chestal | of course, it could also depend on compiler a bit if it's floating point inaccuracy |
| 13:32.18 | Tupone | 64 bit machine |
| 13:32.29 | Tupone | 615 FPS |
| 13:32.33 | Chestal | no more curl crash here with latest CVS change btw. |
| 13:33.40 | Tupone | good for curl. I cannot play at that speed. I have to make the window near 10x10 cm to have that frame rate |
| 13:34.02 | Tupone | so, I have lot of little frame :) |
| 13:35.30 | Tupone | 800 frame, and near the same |
| 13:35.54 | Tupone | removing radar |
| 13:36.06 | Chestal | which gcc? |
| 13:36.21 | Tupone | 3.4.3 |
| 13:36.45 | Tupone | but 64 bit |
| 13:37.30 | Tupone | 1520 Frame now and got the problem |
| 13:37.32 | Chestal | can't get much higher than 120fps here at work :-) |
| 13:37.43 | Chestal | that is with 150x150 window |
| 13:37.48 | Chestal | ah |
| 13:40.27 | Chestal | my rough guess is that DR is actually accurate, but physics is not, mayeb simply because ((x+v*dt)+x*dt)+v*dt errors add up |
| 13:40.40 | Pimpi | ls |
| 13:41.08 | Chestal | readme.txt |
| 13:41.44 | Tupone | agree |
| 13:41.46 | Chestal | Tupone: it would be possible to check this by putting tank on some known, fixed course and then compare resutls of DR and physics to theoretical position |
| 13:42.07 | Chestal | or just limit framerates somehow |
| 13:42.27 | Tupone | framerate limiting would be better ... save battery |
| 13:43.05 | Chestal | not sure it can be done in a satisfactory way portably; I tried the sleep thing once, but it didn't look perfect to me |
| 13:44.59 | Chestal | could kick for fps too high ;-) |
| 13:45.44 | Tupone | have you seen the patch for it at sf? I don't :( |
| 13:46.38 | Chestal | haven't looked. It was discusses here some weeks/months ago and I experimented with it myself a little, very basic stuff anyway |
| 13:47.02 | Chestal | didn't do very much testing, just got the impression that it wasn't smooth enough |
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| 13:52.44 | Tupone | I haven't compiled here ... Well, I basically don't like that way, I like sync with the video, but I think some video board could not support that |
| 13:53.50 | Tupone | Chestal: when you said latest CVS changes, you meant the "post length" one ? |
| 13:54.38 | Chestal | probably, works now, didn't work yesterday I think |
| 13:55.51 | Tupone | ah, well I had problem on my amd64, different version of curl and different compiler and OS. I did not know why I got the problem. But I fixed |
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| 14:33.41 | orchid_ | Chestal: have you built a kernel with gcc4.0 yet? |
| 14:42.20 | Chestal | orchid: haven't tried. A friend of mine did, it failed, he used 3.3 then |
| 14:42.56 | RatOmeter | am I correct that all the official bzflag docs are at bzflag.org/wiki? |
| 14:43.18 | orchid | hmm and last night I upgraded to xorg and can no longer build bzflag |
| 14:44.28 | blast007 | RatOmeter: what kind of documentation are you looking for? |
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| 14:57.46 | Chestal | orchid: uh, why does bzflag build break with x.org? |
| 14:58.13 | orchid | I dont know it might be unrelated |
| 14:58.31 | Chestal | I am not prepared to make the x.org step right now |
| 14:58.32 | _Manu_ | probably she missed something |
| 14:58.39 | orchid | no sdl all of a sudden |
| 14:58.51 | orchid | _Manu_: missed how? |
| 14:59.05 | Chestal | it will break my glx for sure, and I hate whenit's broken :-) |
| 14:59.12 | _Manu_ | something required for bzflag.. what errors do you get? |
| 15:02.18 | orchid | LinuxDisplay.h:24:38: error: X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:02.52 | orchid | LinuxDisplay.h:45: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ‘XF86VidModeModeInfo’ with no type |
| 15:02.53 | Chestal | no SDL build? |
| 15:03.18 | orchid | no it wont buid with sdl either |
| 15:03.41 | Chestal | the non-SDL is not managed very well anymore |
| 15:03.46 | orchid | anyway I wasnt planning on playing this weekend :) |
| 15:04.21 | Chestal | good :-) other plans? Ah, I know, you're goign to watch movies all weekend ;-) |
| 15:04.24 | _Manu_ | orchid, running debian? |
| 15:05.15 | orchid | yes |
| 15:05.45 | _Manu_ | probably something is bad configured |
| 15:07.18 | _Manu_ | in gentoo Xorg your missed file is at /usr/include/X11/extensions/ |
| 15:08.10 | Chestal | hmm, die fehlenden Mails gefallen mir gar net |
| 15:08.11 | Chestal | oops |
| 15:08.35 | _Manu_ | heh... don't run su |
| 15:08.41 | orchid | /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h |
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| 15:09.16 | bz8991 | hi all |
| 15:09.25 | _Manu_ | I think Xorg is new for debian, so probably some is bad configured |
| 15:09.44 | _Manu_ | try to add the directory to your include paths for a work around |
| 15:09.45 | blast007 | hello bz8991 |
| 15:10.04 | bz8991 | I need some person to point me to the obvious: I am trying to access this channel by mirc but I keep getting "bad password". I guess that I need to register somewhere ??? |
| 15:11.07 | _Manu_ | probably the password you are trying is for the server.. don't type any password |
| 15:11.48 | bz8991 | it gets my identd which is "Paddy" automatically |
| 15:11.52 | bz8991 | i don't type anything |
| 15:12.12 | bz8991 | Identd replied: 2433, 6667 : USERID : UNIX : Paddy, and then closing link (bad password) |
| 15:12.13 | _Manu_ | you don't need to be registered for joining here |
| 15:12.16 | blast007 | bz8991: I've never had mIRC ask for a password |
| 15:12.29 | bz8991 | me neither, on ANY other server :( |
| 15:13.26 | Chestal | maybe it doesn't liek your fake identd for some reason? Should work without ident anyway AFAIK |
| 15:13.31 | blast007 | hmm, then again, I don't use identd |
| 15:13.50 | bz8991 | i just tried to turn it off but it's the same.. |
| 15:14.03 | bz8991 | ah |
| 15:14.16 | bz8991 | seems that it needed a password because my nick is already registered by someone else |
| 15:14.17 | _Manu_ | bz8991, look for your mirc configure options... |
| 15:14.27 | bz8991 | i am in as DJPaddy now ! |
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| 15:14.38 | _Manu_ | orchid, I imagine you cleaned all the project and configure... :) |
| 15:14.40 | DJPaddy | damn that was an easy one :) |
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| 15:14.51 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:15.30 | DJPaddy | okay.. hello again to everyone then :) Nice to find you, I have been running a bzserver for a couple of years now but I was never aware of this channel's existence |
| 15:15.42 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 15:16.01 | DJPaddy | is this the correct place to ask for generally technical questions for the server ? |
| 15:16.20 | orchid | _Manu_: yep |
| 15:16.38 | Pimpi | DJPaddy: think so |
| 15:16.39 | _Manu_ | orchid, added the dir to your include paths? |
| 15:17.30 | Pimpi | DJPaddy: it's the right place to ask any bz related question |
| 15:17.39 | _Manu_ | DJPaddy, you can ask here and at http://my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 15:18.01 | _Manu_ | Hallo Pimpi ! :) |
| 15:18.07 | DJPaddy | great then. I have been running games.logicsystems.gr server for almost a year now. It is behind a very nicely configured Cisco PIX 515 firewall that only opened the web port (80) and the Bzflag port 5456 (in my case). Ah! And mail as well. Well the server got hacked last month, and since then I shut bzfs down just in case. Is it possible that it was exploited by bzfs since I have not been running it in suid mode ? |
| 15:18.20 | Pimpi | buenos dias _Manu_ :) |
| 15:18.20 | DJPaddy | erm, in chrooted environment I meant... :) |
| 15:18.30 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, lol :) |
| 15:19.13 | DJPaddy | and to further extend the question: Do you *admins* of bzservers run it chrooted ? |
| 15:19.25 | _Manu_ | DJPaddy, I don't think so |
| 15:20.00 | _Manu_ | DJ to your second.. yes.. Ask Pimpi |
| 15:20.07 | DJPaddy | this is my guess too, I believe that they exploited something on PostNuke. |
| 15:20.32 | DJPaddy | it's allright I have found the complete instructions on bzflag.org I just did not take the time to do it (lazy admin, prefer to play more) :) |
| 15:20.41 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:20.44 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 15:21.07 | Pimpi | DJPaddy: sure it's possible that your server got hacked via bzfs, there's no known security problem though and i never heard of one |
| 15:22.03 | DJPaddy | Pimpi: That's what I thought too, that if they hacked my server through bzfs they would be hacking other servers as well but I couldn't find any proof of that, so it must have been PostNuke, just wanted to ask other admins (like you) to make sure before I put it up again |
| 15:22.04 | Pimpi | as _Manu_ already said, i run bzfs in a chroot nd most others also do |
| 15:22.50 | Pimpi | maybe many servers running bfzs are actually hacked ;) |
| 15:22.58 | _Manu_ | DJPaddy, probably there are betters ways to hack a server than using bzfs |
| 15:23.15 | DJPaddy | ok then a final question as far as server configuration is involved. I start bzfs up via a script. Current system is a debian, but it keeps outputting all the game stuff on my console screen. Is there a way to avoid them apart from redirecting all bzfs output to NIL? |
| 15:23.26 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, really? k |
| 15:23.49 | blast007 | DJPaddy: you could redirect all the output to a file too, then you have a nice log |
| 15:24.08 | Pimpi | or run it in screen |
| 15:24.22 | DJPaddy | Pimpi: run it in screen ? did not understand that |
| 15:24.27 | DJPaddy | please elaborate :) |
| 15:24.34 | Pimpi | or (what i do) pipe it to logger and have syslog handle the stuff |
| 15:24.45 | DJPaddy | ah! that's better ! |
| 15:25.42 | DJPaddy | Well then, I will get right down to it :) Pimpi & Co. thank you very much for your responses |
| 15:26.06 | Pimpi | np, you're welcome |
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| 15:38.17 | Pimpi | Tupone: what would i have to do to link curl static? |
| 15:38.50 | Pimpi | gcc 2.95 |
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| 15:39.20 | Chestal | 2.95? wee. Is this a woody? |
| 15:39.31 | Pimpi | yep... |
| 15:40.14 | Pimpi | unfortunately i'm novice with compiler options |
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| 15:44.09 | koalabear | DTRemenak's servers rock!!! |
| 15:44.17 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 15:44.20 | koalabear | I just wanted to say that. :) |
| 15:44.25 | Pimpi | once again |
| 15:45.16 | _Manu_ | is that your wellcome message? I heard it earlier ;) |
| 15:45.22 | koalabear | I know but I have not been able to play on a US server, and I have been over joyed, and fragged like hell. |
| 15:45.24 | koalabear | Yes it is |
| 15:45.33 | _Manu_ | try europeans.. |
| 15:45.34 | koalabear | :) |
| 15:45.43 | _Manu_ | let me think.... |
| 15:45.48 | koalabear | I did horrible 580ms |
| 15:45.57 | koalabear | most US 470ms |
| 15:46.00 | _Manu_ | ah.. the best ever known is viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 15:46.11 | koalabear | DTRemenak, 247ms stable |
| 15:46.42 | koalabear | Not sure what DTRemenak servers are on, but it must be dam good. |
| 15:46.52 | Pimpi | i like hide-n.-seek |
| 15:46.55 | Pimpi | nic server |
| 15:47.00 | Pimpi | nice |
| 15:47.05 | koalabear | I"m not sure why he's is so must faster |
| 15:47.34 | _Manu_ | because his servers runs over lightspeed... :-p |
| 15:47.42 | koalabear | maybe he is closer the the link between US and Australia |
| 15:47.47 | koalabear | that would explain it :) |
| 15:47.51 | Tupone | Pimpi: have you already build libcurl ? |
| 15:47.59 | Pimpi | yep |
| 15:48.12 | Tupone | have you installed it ? |
| 15:48.18 | Pimpi | not yet |
| 15:48.36 | Tupone | they normally goes to /usr/local so no problem on that, I guess |
| 15:49.00 | Pimpi | it's a chroot anyway, won't break anything |
| 15:49.17 | Pimpi | installed |
| 15:49.34 | koalabear | night bedtime |
| 15:49.37 | Tupone | curl-config --version what report s? |
| 15:49.58 | _Manu_ | !ssh |
| 15:49.59 | TheLastSpartan | _Manu_: what are you smoking, and did you bring enough for everyone? |
| 15:50.01 | Pimpi | libcurl 7.13.1 |
| 15:50.01 | _Manu_ | :/ |
| 15:50.06 | Pimpi | amazed |
| 15:50.13 | Tupone | and that is the one you installed? |
| 15:50.21 | Tupone | or you have a new one |
| 15:50.42 | Pimpi | should be 7.14.0 |
| 15:51.03 | Pimpi | lulu:/curl-7.14.0# /usr/local/bin/curl-config --version |
| 15:51.03 | Pimpi | libcurl 7.14.0 |
| 15:51.05 | Tupone | try -> export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH and then curl-config |
| 15:52.06 | _Manu_ | TheLastSpartan, I don't smoke o_O |
| 15:52.08 | TheLastSpartan | _Manu_: this is IRC not a retard convention. |
| 15:52.20 | _Manu_ | bots |
| 15:52.30 | koalabear | DTRemenak's servers rock!!! |
| 15:52.40 | blast007 | lol |
| 15:52.59 | Pimpi | Tupone: works... |
| 15:53.15 | Tupone | you could eventually try ./configure --with-sdl-prefix=/usr/local without changin path |
| 15:53.37 | Tupone | hep not |
| 15:53.41 | Tupone | that was sdl :( |
| 15:54.22 | Tupone | nothing in configure for changing curl path :/ |
| 15:54.40 | Pimpi | my problem is actually how to link it statically |
| 15:55.04 | Tupone | you want to link all statically, not just curl ? |
| 15:55.23 | Pimpi | no, just curl |
| 15:55.41 | Pimpi | everything would be easy |
| 15:55.56 | Tupone | ahh ok, no option then. Need to mess with makefile |
| 15:56.16 | Pimpi | k, i'll do that then :/ |
| 15:58.27 | Tupone | LIBS="$CURL_LIBS $LIBS" you have this line in configure.ac |
| 15:58.50 | Tupone | change that to LIBS="/usr/local/lib/libcurl.a $LIBS" |
| 15:59.21 | DJPaddy | uhm, guys... What is the command line to shutdown the server except killall bzfs ? |
| 15:59.51 | Tupone | you need the admin pass |
| 16:00.05 | DJPaddy | i have it of course :) |
| 16:00.15 | Tupone | /shutdown |
| 16:00.32 | DJPaddy | no :) i didn't mean from within the client |
| 16:00.41 | DJPaddy | I mean from COMMAND LINE, or a script |
| 16:00.49 | Pimpi | killall bzfs if fine, no? |
| 16:00.53 | Pimpi | no other way |
| 16:01.14 | DJPaddy | oh allright :) I thought that there would maybe be some bzfs -shutdown switch or something |
| 16:03.11 | blast007 | but killall wouldn't remove the server from the list, right? |
| 16:03.19 | Tupone | yeah, it will |
| 16:03.22 | blast007 | oh, ok |
| 16:03.29 | Tupone | at least it should do |
| 16:04.10 | Tupone | unless you killall -9 bzflag |
| 16:04.35 | Pimpi | sigterm should be processed fine, not sure if sigkill would leave the listserver entry |
| 16:04.42 | Pimpi | yeah |
| 16:05.25 | Tupone | no c-ares enabled curl on gentoo x amd64 :( |
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| 16:19.48 | sniperiid | hiya all ;) |
| 16:27.17 | blast007 | hi :) |
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| 16:56.49 | trepan | She was lookin kinda dumb with her finger and her thumb in the shape of an 'L' on her forehead. |
| 16:58.42 | orchid | smashmouth? |
| 16:59.18 | trepan | yup |
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| 17:11.48 | DJPaddy | hooray, I am up and running again :-P |
| 17:12.17 | RatOmeter | never figured out just how you got compromised? |
| 17:12.54 | DJPaddy | wish i knew... one day the system was rendered unbootable, and my web page showed : "Owned By AnTroJan OutLaw Group" |
| 17:13.13 | DJPaddy | i was so frustrated that I did not bother to collect any data, just formatted the hard drive |
| 17:13.20 | DJPaddy | and closed all ports on the firewall |
| 17:13.21 | RatOmeter | better defaced than owned by a phishing outfit, I guess |
| 17:13.35 | DJPaddy | and left it there for quite a while.. |
| 17:13.59 | DJPaddy | it was not a defacement because the linux box wouldn't even boot. it was a total hack, changed root password etc... |
| 17:14.11 | RatOmeter | Mmmm |
| 17:14.34 | DJPaddy | were it just a defacement I would own them thanx, but what really hurt was that the mail server on the box was down and I used it for business mail |
| 17:14.36 | DJPaddy | oh well, |
| 17:15.07 | RatOmeter | Linux distro? |
| 17:15.10 | RatOmeter | (which) |
| 17:15.24 | DJPaddy | yes. it was gentoo fully patched at that time, now I switched to debian stable for quicker setup |
| 17:15.46 | DJPaddy | but my guess is that they hacked their way through postnuke somehow... |
| 17:16.07 | DJPaddy | that's why I switched to mambo cms, just to test it |
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| 18:08.04 | DJPaddy | well guys, thank you for everything, I 'll be revisiting soon :) See you on the battlefied :) |
| 18:09.11 | RatOmeter | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/14088/info don't know if it's related |
| 18:09.28 | RatOmeter | later |
| 18:09.41 | DJPaddy | thank you Ratometer :) i will look into it :) |
| 18:09.43 | DJPaddy | later |
| 18:13.45 | cosmos | using php/bulletin boards is almost akin to installing a rootkit on your own machine |
| 18:13.57 | cosmos | might as well just broadcast the root pw |
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| 18:50.10 | SportChick | hehe |
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| 18:51.25 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 18:52.44 | Tupone | DTRemenak: if we need, we can get new version of c-ares from here: http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/c-ares/daily-snapshot/ |
| 18:53.12 | Tupone | To put in the bzflag tree I mean |
| 18:53.17 | DTRemenak | Tupone: I still dunno what that guy's problem is. I read the ares changelog and nothing relevant has changed since 1.2.1 |
| 18:53.32 | DTRemenak | mostly the changes are ipv6 stuff |
| 18:53.46 | Tupone | yeah, the only thing relevant is the 1.2.1 number in the ares_version.h :) |
| 18:53.57 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 18:53.59 | Tupone | they put 1.2.0 in the 1.2.1 reelase |
| 18:55.44 | Tupone | I had put the fix for MacOSX there. So perhaps, if someone want to build a MacOSX could use released curl source and in-tree c-ares. Need instruction too. |
| 18:56.36 | Tupone | I forgot what else is an obstacle to the freeze :/ |
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| 19:04.12 | josago | hi all |
| 19:15.13 | RatOmeter | Tupone: know of any different (simple) app using c-ares that the user could try on his machine? |
| 19:15.33 | RatOmeter | (to try to pin the problem on c-ares or something else) |
| 19:15.48 | Tupone | there som application that come with c-ares |
| 19:16.36 | Tupone | they were on the source tree, but then I removed |
| 19:17.33 | Tupone | adig , ahost |
| 19:18.19 | RatOmeter | yes, just looked at those, after you mentioned them |
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| 19:21.30 | RatOmeter | I'd build one or both of those, but am kind of lost. (refugee from DOS and Windows programming) |
| 19:22.00 | RatOmeter | (uh, and Z80 and x86 assembly language) |
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| 19:52.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Changes |
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| 20:08.03 | DTRemenak | Tupone: re: rejoin authentication. could we cache token & ip for valid auth for some time after quit, so we don't need to re-request? would that fix the problem? |
| 20:11.16 | Tupone | I'm going to fix in curl, i na general way. So even other future problem will goes |
| 20:11.23 | DTRemenak | ok :) |
| 20:11.35 | DTRemenak | just wondering if e.g. modifying rejoinlist to keep track of auth would be effective |
| 20:12.16 | bryjen | tokens are *one-time-only* DTRemenak |
| 20:12.33 | DTRemenak | bryjen: so? :) |
| 20:12.55 | bryjen | cacheing something that expires on use makes sense? |
| 20:13.18 | DTRemenak | callsign X has been authenticated on IP Y. don't try to re-authenticate during the next 30 seconds after rejoin. |
| 20:13.24 | Tupone | we cannot reuse, unless we modify the code to be nomore one-time-only. |
| 20:13.33 | DTRemenak | no token reuse at all |
| 20:13.39 | Tupone | And changing that code will mad Tim |
| 20:13.51 | DTRemenak | tokens are for the list server, what I'm saying is to *skip* the list server on rejoins |
| 20:14.03 | bryjen | ah, so not really reuse the token, just pray that User+IP are OK |
| 20:14.31 | DTRemenak | yes, for very short time |
| 20:15.26 | DTRemenak | e.g. so little time that if you quit bzflag and walked out of the room, the server would forget and make you reauthenticate :) |
| 20:16.04 | DTRemenak | but enough that rejoining would mean no trip to the list server |
| 20:16.54 | bryjen | hmm, what about people behind NAT? |
| 20:18.27 | DTRemenak | I suppose you'd have a couple seconds in which to try to hijack your family member/coworker's callsign if you had the same external ip |
| 20:18.37 | RatOmeter | an outsider asks, is the gain worth the cost? Thinking diminishing returns here and second guessing the value of the problem. |
| 20:19.09 | DTRemenak | RatOmeter: the original problem was that sometimes a rejoining person does not get authentication at all |
| 20:19.38 | DTRemenak | if Tupone is fixing libcurl all will be fine |
| 20:20.11 | Tupone | that is fixed. Now I'm trying just to not delay authentication when people leave and join |
| 20:20.21 | Tupone | delay is about 3 sec :) |
| 20:20.29 | bryjen | next, we should get him to work on world peace ;) |
| 20:20.50 | blast007 | could the token be validated prior to the client entering? |
| 20:20.58 | blast007 | like, moving the part that sends the token out of MsgEnter |
| 20:21.09 | blast007 | and then waiting for a response from the server before sending the MsgEnter |
| 20:21.40 | Tupone | before allowing spawn is possible. before entering we miss nick |
| 20:21.58 | Tupone | kerberos was before |
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| 20:22.28 | irixcoz | what about the basic intelligence test before registration |
| 20:22.28 | bryjen | you'd need a new message for blast007's idea anyway. MsgToken <callsign> <token> |
| 20:22.48 | DTRemenak | irixcoz: retards can play bzflag too |
| 20:23.03 | DTRemenak | irixcoz: better would be a troll test :) |
| 20:23.03 | bryjen | yes, yes they do ;) |
| 20:23.38 | blast007 | I don't like where the the delay is while it validates, and how it still says to "/identify <password>" |
| 20:23.47 | bryjen | i coulda said "you" ;) |
| 20:24.59 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 20:25.31 | irixcoz | 141.154.146.84 --> islamic racist threats, threaten to hack our server etc |
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| 20:45.39 | Grumbler | cosmos what was with the major reboot on hepcat?.....funky it was |
| 20:46.54 | trepan | strong with the force, you are? |
| 20:51.32 | Grumbler | shit, another cover blown |
| 20:59.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/cURLManager.h src/common/cURLManager.cxx): On perform, restart it if client has been notified. |
| 20:59.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/DXJoystick.cxx: allow the mapping of "slider" type devices to axes with dinput |
| 21:05.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/DXJoystick.cxx: if a dinput device has no Y axis, check to see if it has a slider we can use instead. this *should* allow most game-wheels to work. NEEDS TESTING. |
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| 23:29.37 | EruditeH1rmit | hey, does bzflag support ALSA? |
| 23:30.02 | bryjen | bzflag can use SDL which can use ALSA |
| 23:33.03 | EruditeH1rmit | bryjen: any howtos to make that work? |
| 23:34.30 | irixcoz | use something other than linux. sound works. |
| 23:34.57 | brad2901 | w |
| 23:34.59 | brad2901 | oops |
| 23:36.05 | Aribeth | bzflag sound works fine for me on linux |
| 23:36.21 | irixcoz | im teasing the linux neophyte |
| 23:37.42 | irixcoz | as i dissasemble this indy |
| 23:40.49 | EruditeH1rmit | neophyte? |
| 23:41.00 | EruditeH1rmit | ouch |
| 23:41.33 | Aribeth | im a systems engineer, not a neophyte. |
| 23:41.37 | Aribeth | :) |
| 23:42.20 | menotume | ~minnowslap irixcoz |
| 23:42.20 | ibot | ACTION waves a small minnow in front of irixcoz's nose |
| 23:42.24 | irixcoz | Im not taling to you Aribeth :) |
| 23:43.10 | Aribeth | well, you might let us know where your pointing your pointed barb :P |
| 23:45.57 | irixcoz | heh, i got threatened with being beaten up if i didnt run linux by one of our developers |
| 23:46.01 | irixcoz | they are a pasty bunch |
| 23:47.39 | Aribeth | hummm...irixcoz, you sound familiar. :) |
| 23:48.28 | irixcoz | i am familiar |
| 23:48.37 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.37 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.37 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.37 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.37 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.37 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.39 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.41 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.43 | irixcoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.11 | Aribeth | heh |
| 23:50.15 | Aribeth | that might be true if i had a cat. |
| 23:52.47 | Aribeth | i was hired to admin unix servers on my last job, yet all i did was fix windoz |
| 23:53.36 | irixcoz | heh |
| 23:53.43 | irixcoz | ive never owned/done/touched pcs |
| 23:54.06 | irixcoz | they asked me to help the windows guys once. i threw the domain controller pc in the trash |
| 23:54.13 | irixcoz | i thought that was helping |
| 23:54.16 | Aribeth | i have Sun Ultra 60/80's |
| 23:54.28 | Aribeth | lol |
| 23:54.36 | Tupone | EruditeH1rmit: you need info on how to make sound out of alsa, or just how to make it out of bzflag? |
| 23:54.37 | Aribeth | good for you |
| 23:54.50 | irixcoz | apparently it upset the windows admins |
| 23:55.12 | irixcoz | so i just went back to the SGI Origins and closed the door to my office |
| 23:55.32 | Aribeth | every time i setup a unix server some intern would get the ok to take it from me |
| 23:55.45 | irixcoz | intern? |
| 23:55.55 | Aribeth | ya. i hate that intern |
| 23:56.00 | irixcoz | those are college kids right? |
| 23:56.04 | Aribeth | ya |
| 23:56.10 | irixcoz | i got one of ours to drop his pants and walk down the hall |
| 23:56.15 | irixcoz | that was another HR write up |
| 23:56.21 | Aribeth | ROFLMAO! |
| 23:56.34 | irixcoz | kids will do anything |
| 23:57.24 | Aribeth | i had to take a stand to keep the server. he wanted the drives from my raid for his raid array. |
| 23:57.34 | Aribeth | i said no f... way |
| 23:57.39 | irixcoz | why would an intern have any power over you? |
| 23:58.00 | Aribeth | the company i worked for was screwed up good |
| 23:58.01 | irixcoz | they must be like 15 years younger |
| 23:58.16 | Aribeth | im 51, the intern was 33 |
| 23:58.25 | irixcoz | boy hes a fuckup |
| 23:58.30 | irixcoz | 33 years old and interning |
| 23:58.39 | Aribeth | yep |
| 23:59.02 | irixcoz | another fine product churned out from a university |
| 23:59.02 | Aribeth | i was an intern too, but after i had several different carrears |
| 23:59.09 | Aribeth | its how you get into NASA |
| 23:59.21 | Aribeth | ya |
| 23:59.30 | irixcoz | i have a policy, if you have a degree or any type of certification your resume goes into the shredder. |
| 23:59.44 | Aribeth | heh |
| 23:59.45 | irixcoz | sun certified? guaranteed idiot |
| 23:59.54 | Aribeth | yep |