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| 01:00.37 | SportChick | hiya again cosmos |
| 01:00.54 | Aribeth | hi SportChick |
| 01:01.06 | SportChick | hi ari |
| 01:01.11 | SportChick | how goes it? |
| 01:01.16 | Aribeth | good |
| 01:17.36 | Blue_Beard | Heya Sport. Long time. =) |
| 01:19.44 | Grumbler | i was right, spiffer |
| 01:20.12 | cosmos | hola SC |
| 01:26.12 | SportChick | hi blue! wow ! blast from the past |
| 01:26.18 | SportChick | howdy cosmos |
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| 01:39.45 | Blue_Beard | Oh yes. Has been a while. |
| 01:39.51 | Blue_Beard | =) |
| 01:42.11 | SportChick | a REALLY LONG while. what's up? |
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| 01:51.35 | Blue_Beard | Haha. =) |
| 01:51.49 | Blue_Beard | Not a lot. Enjoying the nice weather. Stayin' out of trouble (usually). |
| 01:51.55 | Blue_Beard | What's up out in Cali.? =D |
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| 01:54.30 | creeperz | :-( |
| 01:54.35 | Blue_Beard | >:) |
| 01:54.41 | creeperz | hehe |
| 01:54.43 | Blue_Beard | Sorry... reflex. ;-) |
| 01:54.53 | Aribeth | well, what did you expect. a lolypop? |
| 01:54.55 | Aribeth | :P |
| 01:55.08 | Blue_Beard | LoL Aribeth. =) |
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| 02:19.28 | SportChick | cali is good - been traveling tons though since April. |
| 02:30.59 | Blue_Beard | That's groovy. =) Traveling is fun! |
| 02:31.09 | Blue_Beard | But yep.. home's nice too. <3 |
| 02:34.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ListServerConnection.cxx: write a debug message for every message queued to the list server even if it's not sent immediately |
| 03:30.33 | bryjen | its an awful short queue |
| 03:49.15 | DTRemenak | yeah, but if something gets queued and never sent you never would have known about it |
| 03:49.59 | DTRemenak | I think Tupone already fixed the bug that triggered that condition but it was making an "M" line when I did cvs update, so I committed it :) |
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| 04:03.55 | Blue_Beard | G'night folks. Time for some gaming. >:) |
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| 04:33.03 | SC | SC waves at/to DTRemenak |
| 04:33.20 | DTRemenak | :) |
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| 05:46.06 | Aribeth | hi tegan |
| 05:46.15 | Tegan | hello Aribeth |
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| 05:56.43 | koalabear | HI all. I was wondering if the bots can be made just a bit more human, with a randomized aim system. |
| 05:57.09 | DTRemenak | I'm sure they can be. Patches welcome. |
| 05:57.19 | DTRemenak | or alternately, learn to dodge ;) |
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| 05:57.36 | koalabear | on the ground is easy |
| 05:57.56 | koalabear | they have god like aiming when you fall |
| 05:58.11 | DTRemenak | don't jump ;) |
| 05:58.19 | koalabear | i know when I've played with human players its quiet hard to hit a bouning target. |
| 05:58.28 | DTRemenak | not really |
| 05:58.36 | DTRemenak | especially with >2 shots |
| 05:58.45 | koalabear | This depends on lag and so on. |
| 05:58.58 | DTRemenak | bots can't hit you if your lagging either |
| 05:59.01 | koalabear | but playing local, there really isn't any lag to speak of. |
| 05:59.08 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:59.11 | DTRemenak | so don't jump ;) |
| 05:59.17 | koalabear | I like to jump |
| 05:59.24 | DTRemenak | or mod your bots |
| 05:59.26 | koalabear | well sometimes |
| 05:59.37 | koalabear | I would like my bots to jump |
| 05:59.47 | DTRemenak | patches welcome for that too |
| 05:59.56 | DTRemenak | for that even more, actually |
| 06:00.05 | koalabear | :) |
| 06:00.49 | koalabear | well I'm going to mod the bot code. |
| 06:01.00 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 06:01.03 | koalabear | I did it before, and it worked |
| 06:01.22 | Pimpinella | don't forget to submit the patch :) |
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| 06:01.39 | Pimpinella | hi bunny |
| 06:01.49 | ibunny | morning pinpi |
| 06:01.49 | Aribeth | hi ibunny |
| 06:01.53 | koalabear | Well, I'm not tht good, just a very quick hack. |
| 06:01.55 | ibunny | mornign Aribeth |
| 06:02.23 | Pimpinella | if it works it's worth to take a look on it |
| 06:02.24 | Aribeth | yep definetly morning, 2 am here |
| 06:02.28 | ibunny | ohhh a purple one? |
| 06:03.39 | koalabear | Ok well I have some ideas, I have programmed before, along time ago, but once I get comforable with the bzflag code I'm sure magic can happen, and hell for the bots. ^_^ |
| 06:04.25 | koalabear | btw bzflag totally rocks! |
| 06:07.06 | koalabear | It looks like the bots could use different wepons, I wonder why they don't |
| 06:09.40 | koalabear | Yes it would. |
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| 06:11.01 | ibunny | hey! |
| 06:11.08 | Tupone | ciao |
| 06:11.12 | ibunny | dont u ctpt me! |
| 06:11.15 | ibunny | >=( |
| 06:11.28 | ibunny | hey ! |
| 06:11.32 | ibunny | hmrrrr* |
| 06:11.50 | ibunny | ACK!! |
| 06:12.05 | Tupone | :) I stop it |
| 06:12.09 | Tupone | cu |
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| 06:12.56 | Aribeth | huhhh? |
| 06:14.45 | Pimpinella | fuesseln |
| 06:15.22 | Aribeth | ~dict fuesseln |
| 06:15.52 | Aribeth | hummm |
| 06:16.41 | Pimpinella | doing things with feets beneath the table |
| 06:16.50 | Pimpinella | s/feets/feet |
| 06:16.52 | Aribeth | ohhhh |
| 06:34.30 | koalabear | narrow flag is lots of fun :) |
| 06:35.03 | Aribeth | ya, but wings is no fun when a player dominates with it |
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| 06:39.35 | koalabear | the server I play on wings is just a jump, and you can move left and right that's it. :( |
| 06:47.30 | Aribeth | i removed wings from 2 of my maps due to players dominating with it |
| 06:47.43 | Aribeth | they end up running players off |
| 06:48.21 | Aribeth | the net effect is that the maps dont get much usage now |
| 06:49.01 | Aribeth | :( |
| 06:53.01 | koalabear | that is sad |
| 06:53.15 | koalabear | I really dont get to play on good servers with interesting maps |
| 06:53.20 | koalabear | I only get to watch |
| 06:54.18 | koalabear | but its fun to watch |
| 06:54.19 | Aribeth | i have some very good maps with complex levels |
| 06:54.20 | koalabear | :) |
| 06:54.33 | koalabear | Yes, sure is better than the random map. :) |
| 06:54.47 | koalabear | Now you are in Austraila. ^_^ |
| 06:54.55 | Aribeth | Georgia |
| 06:55.10 | koalabear | Oh, that is the US :) |
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| 06:55.14 | Aribeth | yes |
| 06:55.25 | koalabear | I was born in south of Georgia |
| 06:55.32 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 06:55.44 | Tegan | swamp koala |
| 06:56.05 | koalabear | I like swaps |
| 06:56.12 | koalabear | whoops |
| 06:56.30 | koalabear | and bad spelling is one of my best skills :) |
| 06:56.37 | Tegan | lol |
| 06:56.45 | Aribeth | i could never spell |
| 06:57.06 | koalabear | well english is more buggy than windoze |
| 06:57.13 | Aribeth | yes |
| 06:57.16 | Tegan | errr |
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| 06:57.32 | Tegan | not likely |
| 06:57.42 | koalabear | *nodes* |
| 06:57.43 | Tegan | (imo) |
| 06:58.17 | Tegan | koalabear: i gnew what you meant |
| 06:58.20 | koalabear | the US had some fixes if you like. for instance colour and color |
| 06:58.30 | koalabear | and lots of others. |
| 06:59.13 | koalabear | dumb is another one. |
| 07:00.02 | koalabear | anway its the faults that make it interesting |
| 07:01.06 | Tegan | why am i in Australia now? |
| 07:01.22 | Tegan | it's 5pm! |
| 07:01.57 | Tegan | koalabear: more than coincidence? |
| 07:01.58 | koalabear | I live in Perth |
| 07:02.11 | koalabear | Maybe :) |
| 07:02.20 | Tegan | grrr |
| 07:03.07 | koalabear | The darkside. |
| 07:03.22 | koalabear | I live in lovely sunny perth. |
| 07:04.20 | Tegan | Wary veird. |
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| 07:05.00 | koalabear | Yep, but I like to be different too many clone bots around ^_~ |
| 07:05.00 | Tegan | It's only sunny here in the daytime. |
| 07:05.08 | Aribeth | lol |
| 07:06.09 | koalabear | I've lived all around australia. |
| 07:06.19 | koalabear | My favourite was queensland |
| 07:06.35 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 07:06.58 | Aribeth | i lived in California, now Georgia |
| 07:07.02 | Tegan | I dreamed that I walked to Australia once. |
| 07:07.20 | koalabear | It would of been a pretty wet walk Tegan :) |
| 07:07.40 | koalabear | I hear that California gets very hot |
| 07:07.49 | Tegan | Only inland mostly |
| 07:08.01 | Tegan | the coast stays pretty well regulated |
| 07:08.04 | koalabear | So stay close to the coast |
| 07:08.28 | Aribeth | too late |
| 07:08.44 | koalabear | nods |
| 07:08.53 | Tegan | the water's cold in the northern parts of the coast |
| 07:08.57 | koalabear | I fixed the bot code |
| 07:09.19 | koalabear | cold stream |
| 07:09.37 | koalabear | I like one place I would like to travel to is japan |
| 07:09.52 | Tegan | I dreamed I rode a bus to Japan once. |
| 07:09.54 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 07:10.21 | koalabear | Tegan, like to move |
| 07:10.25 | koalabear | s |
| 07:10.48 | koalabear | Was the ticket expensive? |
| 07:11.16 | koalabear | I would to ride a bus to japan as well, could be very interesting. |
| 07:11.27 | koalabear | like |
| 07:11.57 | koalabear | Now do both of you play bzflag? |
| 07:12.08 | Aribeth | yes |
| 07:12.15 | koalabear | 1 vote for yes |
| 07:12.18 | Aribeth | i run sleepycows |
| 07:12.37 | koalabear | Wow... there are lots of sleepycows. |
| 07:12.45 | Aribeth | yep |
| 07:13.18 | koalabear | I wonder if one of them has a nolag flag. |
| 07:13.27 | Aribeth | heh |
| 07:13.28 | koalabear | just for furry bzflag players :) |
| 07:13.36 | Aribeth | its a hi speed server |
| 07:14.16 | koalabear | *smiles* |
| 07:14.26 | Tegan | aw, they don't purr |
| 07:14.45 | koalabear | well the females are very noisy |
| 07:14.58 | koalabear | the males dont make much sound at all. |
| 07:15.19 | koalabear | We dont have koala's this side of the country. |
| 07:15.33 | Tegan | us neither |
| 07:16.07 | koalabear | I guess koala's can't afford plan tickets to the US :) |
| 07:16.16 | koalabear | plane |
| 07:17.47 | koalabear | Have any of you sinned and played CS? |
| 07:17.56 | Tegan | yes and no |
| 07:18.04 | koalabear | Ah. |
| 07:18.16 | koalabear | A confession :) |
| 07:19.33 | Aribeth | CS??? |
| 07:19.40 | Tegan | CounterStrike |
| 07:19.47 | koalabear | I did play if before, but bzflag is totally awesome. |
| 07:19.49 | Tegan | ComputerScience |
| 07:19.49 | Aribeth | nope never have |
| 07:20.03 | koalabear | it is fun and it has a different type of player. |
| 07:20.10 | koalabear | usually alot more friendly :) |
| 07:20.21 | Aribeth | i have played return to castle wolfenstine |
| 07:20.32 | koalabear | On a network. |
| 07:20.36 | Aribeth | no |
| 07:20.39 | koalabear | Oh. |
| 07:21.03 | koalabear | I'm love to play with others, I"m not much of a one player game fan. |
| 07:21.30 | Aribeth | i was before i found bzflag |
| 07:21.55 | Tegan | bzflag is a game? |
| 07:21.59 | koalabear | *cries* bzflag is tending to be a 1 player game for me. |
| 07:22.09 | koalabear | NO its a lifestyle |
| 07:22.12 | Aribeth | ohh? |
| 07:22.24 | koalabear | Just being silly. |
| 07:22.25 | Aribeth | no, its an ADICTION |
| 07:22.31 | koalabear | So true. |
| 07:22.32 | Aribeth | :P |
| 07:23.00 | koalabear | And a shared adiction is much nicer then a lonely one :) |
| 07:23.09 | Aribeth | :) |
| 07:24.07 | koalabear | darn my bzflag segfaulted out |
| 07:24.19 | koalabear | I have gentoo |
| 07:24.25 | Aribeth | humm |
| 07:24.33 | koalabear | cvs version of bzflag too. |
| 07:24.38 | Aribeth | ohh |
| 07:24.39 | Tegan | can you find where it segfaulted? |
| 07:24.40 | koalabear | Its nice nice, and pretty . |
| 07:24.55 | koalabear | It did it when I pressed find servers. |
| 07:25.09 | Tegan | I had this and found the version of libcurl was insufficient here |
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| 07:25.18 | Aribeth | how old is the build |
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| 07:25.38 | koalabear | just a min |
| 07:25.38 | Aribeth | hi Tupone |
| 07:25.53 | Tupone | hi Aribeth |
| 07:25.57 | Tegan | gonna get a stact trace? |
| 07:26.01 | Tegan | stack* |
| 07:26.10 | koalabear | its 2.0.3.20050711 |
| 07:26.12 | Tegan | hi Tupone |
| 07:26.18 | Tupone | hi Tegan |
| 07:26.20 | Tegan | the libcurl version, i mean |
| 07:26.36 | koalabear | Ummm what do I press for that |
| 07:26.51 | koalabear | I have gentoo, and it likes to install really old stuff, almost as bad as debian. |
| 07:27.20 | Aribeth | i always get fresh from cvs |
| 07:27.29 | koalabear | I love this portage thing |
| 07:27.44 | koalabear | I like the fact I dont have one line of i386 code anywhere. |
| 07:27.49 | koalabear | well i hope not :) |
| 07:27.49 | Aribeth | better than rpm |
| 07:27.55 | Tegan | ppc? |
| 07:27.56 | koalabear | Ohhhh YEAH!!! |
| 07:27.59 | Tegan | ah |
| 07:28.00 | Tupone | koalabear: if you gonna use bzflag with gentoo, best you can do is add curl to /etc/portage/package.keyword and ares and -ipv6 to /etc/make.conf |
| 07:28.02 | koalabear | no my mac has ppc. |
| 07:28.15 | koalabear | Oh |
| 07:28.41 | Aribeth | that will fix the problem |
| 07:28.50 | koalabear | what I did was cvs the source code. |
| 07:29.00 | Aribeth | yep |
| 07:29.09 | koalabear | but of course I dont have a new libcurl |
| 07:29.33 | koalabear | I didnt' use portage to compile bzflag. |
| 07:30.17 | Aribeth | do this: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~what-ever-your-arcitecture-is" emerge curl |
| 07:30.24 | koalabear | I really like version 2.0.3 with all those fancy things. |
| 07:30.55 | koalabear | I'll give it ago Aribeth |
| 07:31.11 | koalabear | is that export ACC... |
| 07:31.18 | Aribeth | no |
| 07:31.39 | Aribeth | it will unmask the package on the fly |
| 07:32.06 | Tupone | better make the change permanent in package.mask |
| 07:32.17 | Aribeth | true |
| 07:32.20 | Tupone | IMHO |
| 07:32.26 | koalabear | Are hai, good stuff. boy this masking thing is getting annoying. |
| 07:32.30 | Tupone | mask -> keyword |
| 07:32.55 | Tegan | ~Tupone++ |
| 07:33.18 | koalabear | So I find the libcurl entry and modify it . |
| 07:33.19 | Tupone | koalabear: I got the gentoo guy make some change for me, like using c-ares in curl, so we need to wait they go stable |
| 07:34.04 | Aribeth | Tupone, is that for 2005.1? |
| 07:34.07 | koalabear | Hey I live on the edge, stable stuff |
| 07:34.35 | Aribeth | i push the envelope |
| 07:34.46 | koalabear | I mail he envelope ^_^ |
| 07:35.05 | koalabear | I"m so on the edge I dont worry about "t" |
| 07:35.08 | Aribeth | ie, i push it past the edge |
| 07:35.13 | Tupone | what you mean 2005.1 ? I don't really know what version means on gentoo :/ it seems a continuous world, different then Fedora or other distro |
| 07:35.32 | Tupone | except when they switch profile |
| 07:35.39 | Aribeth | i saw in /usr/profiles a 2005.1 |
| 07:36.21 | Tupone | I think it will be marked in stable if the gentoo guy do not receive any bugs report on that, but I'm not sure |
| 07:37.30 | Aribeth | eek, windows |
| 07:37.50 | Tupone | DTRemenak: you need, but I can build it for you too :) |
| 07:38.02 | Aribeth | EEK! |
| 07:38.25 | Aribeth | aww |
| 07:38.52 | DTRemenak | Tupone: it's such a pain to build :( |
| 07:38.53 | koalabear | I was one of the popular bzflag servers, and a few playes where complaining about bzflag not being accurate, but I think it is a lag issue and not a program issue. |
| 07:39.15 | DTRemenak | with vc anyway |
| 07:39.40 | koalabear | And I'm sure they where windoze users. |
| 07:39.52 | koalabear | I can smell them a mile away. :) |
| 07:40.23 | DTRemenak | koalabear: do I smell like one? :) |
| 07:40.42 | koalabear | And then they say bzflag should have better graphics... geeze I rekcon the graphics rock! |
| 07:41.03 | koalabear | Maybe, I can't tell at the moment, due to a cold caused by a virus :) |
| 07:41.04 | DTRemenak | heh, Jeff would give you a load for that comment ;) |
| 07:42.44 | koalabear | I think its great that bzflag works on so many platforms, even the bad ones. |
| 07:44.08 | DTRemenak | geez, takes a long time for my client stats script to run now that I have 375mb of logs :( |
| 07:44.41 | DTRemenak | windows is at about 58% of connections |
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| 07:45.35 | DTRemenak | osx is about 17% |
| 07:45.42 | koalabear | I feel for those 58% |
| 07:46.03 | DTRemenak | various unixlike systems account for 24% |
| 07:46.08 | DTRemenak | mostly linux |
| 07:46.33 | koalabear | mac osx, been there and done that. :( |
| 07:46.47 | koalabear | ppc linux all the way ^_^ |
| 07:47.37 | DTRemenak | 24.02% are unixlikes, 23.76% are linux specifically |
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| 07:48.05 | Aribeth | give me unix, or give me death |
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| 07:48.13 | sniperiid | hi |
| 07:48.17 | koalabear | hiya |
| 07:48.32 | koalabear | *smiles* yep Aribeth I"m with you. |
| 07:48.39 | sniperiid | i have that problem again... |
| 07:48.52 | sniperiid | how to do bzflag on windows to work with global login ? |
| 07:48.54 | sniperiid | :( |
| 07:48.58 | DTRemenak | win, mac, and linux together account for all but 0.26% of connections |
| 07:49.19 | sniperiid | Lol |
| 07:49.20 | DTRemenak | geez...that's small :) |
| 07:49.21 | koalabear | I wonder what the other ones are... aliens probably |
| 07:49.42 | Aribeth | aliens from redmond |
| 07:49.45 | DTRemenak | 0.21% is FreeBSD |
| 07:49.49 | koalabear | I bet. |
| 07:50.03 | koalabear | Do you mean FreeBSD can play games. |
| 07:50.14 | Aribeth | oh yes |
| 07:50.21 | DTRemenak | yeah, nvidia makes freebsd drivers |
| 07:50.52 | koalabear | So that accounts for the aliens then. :) |
| 07:51.07 | Aribeth | nvidia has goos drivers |
| 07:51.09 | DTRemenak | the rest of the connections round to 0.01% each. could do higher granularity I guess |
| 07:51.50 | DTRemenak | in order of popularity, they're: DragonFly, IRIX, NetBSD, and Solaris |
| 07:52.20 | koalabear | well I rekcon bzflag rocks. |
| 07:52.23 | DTRemenak | plus 0 connections each for our two other supported platforms, OpenBSD and BeOS |
| 07:52.34 | koalabear | great game, lots of fun, usually nice players |
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| 07:52.42 | koalabear | beats the pants of CS |
| 07:52.46 | DTRemenak | and 6 connections (0.01%) unknown |
| 07:52.51 | creeperz | cs is fun :-( |
| 07:53.00 | DTRemenak | most of which appear to be cheat clients |
| 07:53.08 | koalabear | not that CS is bad, but more to do with the kind of response you get with players. |
| 07:53.12 | creeperz | and p e r f e c t R O is better :-P |
| 07:53.21 | creeperz | yeah |
| 07:53.33 | DTRemenak | this is with a 60254-connection sample size |
| 07:54.31 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:54.54 | DTRemenak | "excuse me sir, you're just a statistical anamoly..." |
| 07:57.14 | koalabear | Aribeth, what's your favourite map? |
| 07:57.52 | DTRemenak | only 0.92% of windows users are using clients built with anything other than VC7.1 |
| 07:57.53 | Aribeth | prolly iggyworld |
| 07:58.55 | koalabear | geeze lag, I would like to try some of these maps |
| 07:59.09 | DTRemenak | from perth? good luck ;) |
| 07:59.12 | creeperz | no pistols on bridge though :-P |
| 07:59.13 | koalabear | been awhile since I played cS |
| 07:59.21 | creeperz | me too |
| 07:59.23 | koalabear | perth is along way from anywhere |
| 07:59.28 | creeperz | been playin way too much RO lately |
| 07:59.37 | DTRemenak | that's a good way to put it :) |
| 07:59.39 | koalabear | R0? |
| 07:59.44 | sniperiid | does anyone know fy_iceworld_adv.nav ( bots needed ) ? |
| 07:59.54 | creeperz | ragnarok online |
| 08:00.08 | sniperiid | oh |
| 08:00.14 | creeperz | you have to pay for it, but Im on a private server called perfectRO |
| 08:00.27 | sniperiid | ROmania |
| 08:00.28 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 08:00.32 | koalabear | what kind of game is it. |
| 08:00.34 | creeperz | hehe |
| 08:00.36 | sniperiid | FPS |
| 08:00.41 | sniperiid | first person shooter is CS |
| 08:00.58 | koalabear | team play or just deathmach. |
| 08:01.13 | sniperiid | lol... |
| 08:01.36 | DTRemenak | sniperiid: koalabear was almost certainly asking about RO, not CS. he seems to know enough about CS already. |
| 08:01.45 | sniperiid | aah k |
| 08:02.03 | sniperiid | anyone haves RCT 3 ? |
| 08:03.14 | creeperz | oh |
| 08:03.19 | creeperz | RO is a MMORPG |
| 08:03.21 | creeperz | its old |
| 08:03.24 | creeperz | like 1996 old |
| 08:03.26 | koalabear | Oh |
| 08:03.29 | creeperz | but funner than ever |
| 08:03.36 | sniperiid | hehehe.. i born in 1996 |
| 08:03.56 | koalabear | elfquest is one that i have heard a little bit about. |
| 08:04.06 | creeperz | youre 9? |
| 08:04.20 | koalabear | 900 right |
| 08:04.28 | sniperiid | creeperz, yep :) im 9 |
| 08:04.32 | sniperiid | I dont lie! |
| 08:04.37 | DTRemenak | sniperiid: that makes bzflag 3 years older than you are. think about that next time you play ;) |
| 08:04.37 | creeperz | hehe |
| 08:04.56 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 08:05.10 | Aribeth | im older than bzflag by far. think about that. :P |
| 08:05.12 | DTRemenak | there are people who have been playing bzflag longer than you've been alive |
| 08:05.27 | sniperiid | hehe i know this ;) |
| 08:05.34 | creeperz | I'm almost 4 years older than bzflag |
| 08:05.55 | koalabear | I dont have an age at all. |
| 08:05.59 | Aribeth | what year did bzflag come out? |
| 08:06.09 | DTRemenak | 93 |
| 08:06.13 | koalabear | 1901 |
| 08:06.20 | creeperz | 5 |
| 08:06.22 | creeperz | 5? |
| 08:06.27 | creeperz | 5 thousands |
| 08:06.30 | Aribeth | im 40 years older than bzflag |
| 08:06.39 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 08:06.44 | koalabear | You dont look it Aribeth |
| 08:06.45 | koalabear | :) |
| 08:06.53 | sniperiid | :P |
| 08:06.54 | sniperiid | done |
| 08:06.57 | Aribeth | my mind is still 18] |
| 08:07.00 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:07.01 | sniperiid | cya, im going play armagetron! |
| 08:07.16 | koalabear | Oh yeah armagetron |
| 08:07.35 | koalabear | one game that gentoo wont allow you to emerge. |
| 08:07.39 | koalabear | geeze |
| 08:07.46 | DTRemenak | why not? |
| 08:08.04 | Aribeth | my fav old game is Ultima 5 and Ultima Serpants Isle |
| 08:08.09 | koalabear | masked says its a major security risk, or someting silly like that. |
| 08:08.15 | sniperiid | lol.. i have a friend that installed Armagetron on Gentoo |
| 08:08.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:08.41 | sniperiid | cya |
| 08:08.45 | koalabear | I love my gentoo, but sometimes, its a pain. |
| 08:09.05 | koalabear | I guess its a love and hate thing. |
| 08:09.09 | Aribeth | yep |
| 08:09.12 | koalabear | dark side and light side. |
| 08:09.29 | DTRemenak | you know, you don't have to run an os you hate. |
| 08:09.37 | Aribeth | my opengl was broken, i broked it more, then fixed it |
| 08:09.44 | DTRemenak | that's what the whole choice thing is about ;) |
| 08:09.52 | koalabear | well DTRemenak I like it lots more than FC |
| 08:10.05 | koalabear | I've given up the hat. |
| 08:10.12 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 08:10.13 | Aribeth | and SUSE costs too much |
| 08:10.16 | DTRemenak | FC is always a pain |
| 08:10.31 | DTRemenak | SuSE is cool though :) |
| 08:10.32 | Aribeth | and i dont like rpm |
| 08:10.46 | Aribeth | it is at 90.00 |
| 08:10.53 | Aribeth | so did i |
| 08:10.58 | koalabear | I started out with slackware on a 386sx 2 megs ram and 4megs swap |
| 08:11.03 | Aribeth | till it cost too much |
| 08:11.04 | koalabear | and I thought it rocked. |
| 08:11.13 | DTRemenak | slackware still rocks, koalabear :) |
| 08:11.31 | koalabear | I have not seen it for awhile. |
| 08:11.47 | DTRemenak | funny, I ran it on a 386dx, 4mb ram and 16 swap |
| 08:12.07 | Aribeth | i ran Coherent for a while |
| 08:12.34 | koalabear | I wonder if that yellow dog, has anything to do with the red hat. |
| 08:12.45 | koalabear | Maybe a yellow dog wearing a red hat. |
| 08:12.49 | Aribeth | it was based on red hat |
| 08:12.50 | DTRemenak | yellow dog started as a ppc port of redhat |
| 08:13.02 | koalabear | Ah |
| 08:13.08 | koalabear | I thought there might be a connection. |
| 08:13.57 | Aribeth | well, im off to bed before the sun comes up. |
| 08:14.11 | koalabear | Good idea. |
| 08:14.16 | koalabear | take care |
| 08:14.21 | DTRemenak | c'ya Aribeth |
| 08:14.26 | Aribeth | night |
| 08:14.40 | koalabear | time for a bath |
| 08:14.59 | koalabear | and maybe later a bit of bzflag with a bot friend or two. :) |
| 08:15.12 | koalabear | Noo mum said I could stay up |
| 08:15.14 | Aribeth_away | btw dtr, i saw on a post that our friend mikeeusa is trying to make a fork of bzflag |
| 08:15.23 | DTRemenak | ohhh really? |
| 08:15.34 | DTRemenak | I wish him the best :) |
| 08:15.40 | DTRemenak | got a url? :) |
| 08:15.41 | Aribeth_away | yep. the post is on happy penguin |
| 08:15.45 | Aribeth_away | ya |
| 08:15.46 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:16.07 | Aribeth_away | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag#comments |
| 08:16.22 | koalabear | sounds cool but eating with bzflag made fork would be interesting. |
| 08:16.28 | koalabear | I'm tired |
| 08:17.41 | koalabear | take care all, have fun, keep smiling, and of course write that lag code transport, and better bzflag bots that I can deal with. I look forward to seeing the results tomorrow ^_^ |
| 08:17.58 | trepan | Aribeth: eloquent little SOB :) |
| 08:18.09 | Aribeth_away | isnt he |
| 08:18.36 | DTRemenak | "shitstains" huh...first time I've ever heard that expression I think :) |
| 08:19.17 | Aribeth_away | we may not have a woodshed, but someone, i say, someone needs to give that boy a whooopin! |
| 08:19.29 | Aribeth_away | lol |
| 08:20.04 | Aribeth_away | he would get a whoopin here in Georgia |
| 08:21.19 | Aribeth_away | i've seen some of the images on his site. in one word, sick |
| 08:21.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:22.08 | Aribeth_away | he has a very disturbed mind |
| 08:22.15 | DTRemenak | certainly sounds like |
| 08:22.21 | Aribeth_away | prolly will end up in jail |
| 08:22.38 | DTRemenak | one of the fastest "hello" to "masterbanned" times I've ever seen |
| 08:22.50 | Aribeth_away | ya |
| 08:23.31 | Aribeth_away | did you ever see his server? |
| 08:24.04 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 08:24.22 | Aribeth_away | me neither, wonder how it looked |
| 08:24.59 | Aribeth_away | heh |
| 08:25.01 | DTRemenak | that would be nicely ironic |
| 08:25.09 | Aribeth_away | yes it would |
| 08:25.26 | DTRemenak | I'd rather hope that he gets his worldview straightened out though |
| 08:25.34 | Aribeth_away | heh, i helped him and he was clueless that i was a woman |
| 08:25.40 | DTRemenak | getting shot is probably more likely :S |
| 08:26.11 | Aribeth_away | he would have gone balistic is he knew |
| 08:26.50 | Aribeth_away | employment will be hard with his views |
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| 10:25.34 | koalabear | Hi there. |
| 10:27.07 | koalabear | Is curl version 7.12.0-r2 ok for bzflag 2.0.3 |
| 10:27.21 | koalabear | cause when I press find servers it segfaults out |
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| 10:36.28 | _Manu_ | koalabear, you must use curl 7.14.0 |
| 10:36.46 | koalabear | Thanks _Manu_ |
| 10:36.50 | koalabear | I have gentoo |
| 10:37.10 | _Manu_ | then can build curl with c-ares support too |
| 10:37.32 | koalabear | what is c-ares |
| 10:37.46 | _Manu_ | for async |
| 10:37.58 | _Manu_ | add to your package.keywords: net-misc/curl ~x86 |
| 10:38.25 | _Manu_ | and use flag +ares for build curs.. firs install c-ares |
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| 10:38.41 | koalabear | use mean my USE variables? |
| 10:38.59 | _Manu_ | net-dns/c-ares |
| 10:39.12 | _Manu_ | yes.. or add ares to your make.conf |
| 10:39.25 | koalabear | yeah I would like to add it to my make.conf |
| 10:39.36 | koalabear | what do i stick in there? |
| 10:39.46 | koalabear | just c-ares |
| 10:39.53 | _Manu_ | no the flag is: ares |
| 10:40.00 | koalabear | ok |
| 10:40.20 | koalabear | and to get emerge to get the right curl lib |
| 10:40.30 | koalabear | I need fix a file. |
| 10:40.32 | _Manu_ | just: emerge curl |
| 10:40.46 | koalabear | it says I have the lastest one. |
| 10:40.58 | _Manu_ | after adding curl to your package.keywords for using testing version |
| 10:41.18 | koalabear | sorry how do I add a testing version |
| 10:41.45 | _Manu_ | edit/create /etc/portage/package.keywords |
| 10:41.57 | _Manu_ | and add: net-misc/curl ~x86 |
| 10:41.58 | koalabear | that file |
| 10:42.18 | _Manu_ | for using curl testing version (1.14.0) |
| 10:42.22 | _Manu_ | err.. 7.14.0 |
| 10:42.40 | koalabear | ok the net-misc/curl ~x86 what I add |
| 10:42.44 | _Manu_ | then when you emerge curl as you added ares flag.. it build c-cares |
| 10:42.57 | _Manu_ | now.. save and emerge curl |
| 10:42.58 | koalabear | ok thanks heaps |
| 10:43.05 | koalabear | doing it now |
| 10:45.33 | _Manu_ | after it.. in bzflag make clean and ./configure again... |
| 10:46.25 | koalabear | No its going for 7.12.3 |
| 10:47.09 | _Manu_ | what? |
| 10:47.11 | koalabear | should I of added curl-7.14~x86 |
| 10:47.45 | koalabear | I added net-misc/curl ~x86 I guess I didn't do it quiet right |
| 10:47.59 | koalabear | It didnt' grab 7.14 |
| 10:48.00 | _Manu_ | did you spelled it ok, then file name: /etc/portage/package.keywords? |
| 10:48.09 | koalabear | Yes I did |
| 10:48.09 | _Manu_ | package.keywords |
| 10:48.21 | koalabear | it has updated it |
| 10:48.22 | _Manu_ | do emerge -C curl |
| 10:48.29 | koalabear | ok |
| 10:48.39 | _Manu_ | and then emerge again |
| 10:49.01 | _Manu_ | you must add simply: net-misc/curl ~x86 |
| 10:49.05 | _Manu_ | no versions numbers.. |
| 10:49.08 | koalabear | in my package.keywords |
| 10:49.10 | koalabear | I have this |
| 10:49.18 | koalabear | net-misc/curl ~x86 |
| 10:49.21 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 10:49.34 | koalabear | but why did it not grab that lastest one? |
| 10:49.48 | _Manu_ | emerge sync lately? |
| 10:49.56 | koalabear | Do I have too. |
| 10:50.09 | koalabear | that will just give me a packages list right |
| 10:50.15 | koalabear | updated package list |
| 10:50.20 | _Manu_ | yes.. how old is your portage? |
| 10:50.25 | koalabear | 2005 |
| 10:50.51 | koalabear | 2005.0 |
| 10:51.31 | _Manu_ | also you must add -ivp6 to your flags |
| 10:51.43 | koalabear | ok I'm doing the emerge sync |
| 10:52.02 | koalabear | I guess this just updates the packages database? |
| 10:52.16 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 10:52.43 | koalabear | and that will say libcurl 7.14 is the lastest grab that. :) |
| 10:53.11 | _Manu_ | now goto step one :) |
| 10:53.33 | koalabear | yep will do |
| 10:53.41 | koalabear | this might take a bit |
| 10:53.51 | koalabear | even on adsl |
| 10:53.58 | _Manu_ | yes I know |
| 10:54.17 | koalabear | emerge takes a while :) |
| 10:54.30 | koalabear | you use gentoo as well? |
| 10:54.53 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 10:55.01 | _Manu_ | in this box |
| 10:55.43 | koalabear | Do you like it? |
| 10:55.52 | _Manu_ | yep |
| 10:56.25 | koalabear | I must say I certainly like it. I enjoy the way it works. |
| 10:56.27 | _Manu_ | all linux flavours source based are goods.. at last all I know |
| 10:56.36 | koalabear | A bit of a learning experince. |
| 10:56.51 | koalabear | I backup my portage |
| 10:57.16 | _Manu_ | well.. you can sync every time you want :) |
| 10:57.27 | koalabear | And I'm working on a stage 4 so I can reinstall my system without recompiling everything from scratch again. :) |
| 10:57.31 | _Manu_ | allways don't being abussive.. heh |
| 10:57.38 | koalabear | I guess so, but not everyday ^_^ |
| 10:58.10 | _Manu_ | well, you can make binaries packages for all your programs |
| 10:58.41 | koalabear | if i just tar my system and make it a snapshot |
| 10:58.51 | koalabear | juts like the install cd has |
| 10:58.55 | _Manu_ | don't forget the links |
| 10:59.07 | koalabear | symlinks? |
| 10:59.11 | _Manu_ | yep |
| 10:59.39 | koalabear | one thing I find weird is that /usr/X11R6/bin and /usr/bin are linked |
| 10:59.54 | koalabear | I wonder why this is so. |
| 11:00.13 | _Manu_ | that's because gentoo keeps separated every things |
| 11:00.23 | koalabear | Have you got dvd writting support on your system? |
| 11:00.30 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 11:00.39 | koalabear | is it hard |
| 11:00.44 | koalabear | I have cdrtools |
| 11:00.48 | _Manu_ | cdrw and dvd+-rw |
| 11:01.04 | koalabear | Ah! |
| 11:01.10 | _Manu_ | you can make dvd with growisofs |
| 11:01.10 | koalabear | I would like to use dvd for backup |
| 11:01.30 | koalabear | over 4gig? |
| 11:01.52 | _Manu_ | use double layer dvd |
| 11:02.18 | koalabear | that's a 8gig cd right? |
| 11:02.27 | _Manu_ | aprox.. yes |
| 11:02.44 | _Manu_ | but expensives at the moment.. so I use standard dvd |
| 11:02.50 | koalabear | I wonder what 8gig bzip2ed would be |
| 11:03.00 | koalabear | Yeah I know |
| 11:03.07 | koalabear | almost 10$ a disk |
| 11:03.25 | _Manu_ | 3 euros aprox.. |
| 11:03.50 | koalabear | Ah is that alot? |
| 11:04.06 | koalabear | You can shop around here and get good deals if you are willing to travel. |
| 11:04.07 | _Manu_ | not too much.. but expensives |
| 11:04.26 | _Manu_ | 3 euros is less than 10$ ;-p |
| 11:04.34 | koalabear | I guess cdr's are alot cheaper :) |
| 11:04.39 | koalabear | but 650meg |
| 11:04.50 | koalabear | I live in a very remote part of the world |
| 11:05.02 | koalabear | If fact it is the most remote city in the world. |
| 11:05.08 | _Manu_ | well I can buy 25 dvd+-r by less than 10 euros |
| 11:05.10 | koalabear | Perth Western Austraila. |
| 11:05.24 | _Manu_ | so.. I almost never use cd |
| 11:05.32 | _Manu_ | this is Spain |
| 11:05.32 | koalabear | Geeze that's good |
| 11:05.50 | koalabear | Your close to everywhere there. |
| 11:06.35 | _Manu_ | heh.. Australia.. that's because your koalabar nick ;) |
| 11:06.38 | koalabear | You even have good olive oil |
| 11:06.44 | koalabear | :) |
| 11:06.46 | _Manu_ | s/koalabar/koalabear |
| 11:06.54 | koalabear | Yes, |
| 11:07.06 | _Manu_ | yes.. the best.. now that Tupone can't hear me.. heh |
| 11:07.08 | koalabear | but we dont have koala them here, they live on the otherside of the country |
| 11:07.18 | koalabear | too hot over this way. |
| 11:07.23 | koalabear | :) |
| 11:07.37 | _Manu_ | Australia is more than big.. heh |
| 11:07.53 | koalabear | very very big |
| 11:08.08 | koalabear | but it is mostly desert |
| 11:08.24 | koalabear | only around the coast is where most of the people live. |
| 11:08.43 | _Manu_ | ppl usually lives near the water ;) |
| 11:09.01 | koalabear | true, I can understand why. |
| 11:09.06 | koalabear | I love the sea. |
| 11:09.27 | _Manu_ | yes.. but you can't drink the sea's water :) |
| 11:09.40 | koalabear | true. |
| 11:09.55 | _Manu_ | well.. really you *can*.. not not good ;) |
| 11:10.10 | koalabear | _Manu_, do you code bzflag? |
| 11:10.27 | _Manu_ | yep |
| 11:10.27 | koalabear | I would like to get started with working on it. |
| 11:10.36 | koalabear | I would like to add better bots |
| 11:10.38 | _Manu_ | many ppl here coding |
| 11:11.00 | _Manu_ | you can code it and submit as a patch |
| 11:11.00 | koalabear | but its being awhile since I coded |
| 11:11.18 | koalabear | I have done c++ asm c fig forth |
| 11:11.25 | koalabear | well I need docs for it |
| 11:11.33 | koalabear | to learn the functions |
| 11:12.02 | koalabear | Is there a good gtk ide I can use. |
| 11:12.23 | koalabear | I have used Kdevelop which I thought was nice, but I dont use qt or kde libs on my system. |
| 11:12.40 | _Manu_ | http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:12.59 | koalabear | thanks _Manu_ |
| 11:13.10 | koalabear | I wonder if I can emerge it ^_^ probably not |
| 11:13.40 | _Manu_ | yes, you can |
| 11:13.49 | _Manu_ | but the stable version only |
| 11:13.58 | koalabear | wow! |
| 11:14.03 | koalabear | I"m impressed |
| 11:14.16 | _Manu_ | and you can import bzflag cvs into it too |
| 11:14.18 | koalabear | will the stable versoin be good enough? |
| 11:14.39 | koalabear | nice! |
| 11:14.41 | _Manu_ | dunno really, I tested it and only got lots of segfaults.. |
| 11:14.54 | koalabear | OH! |
| 11:14.58 | _Manu_ | it's alpha quality at now (the 2.0.) |
| 11:14.59 | koalabear | not so good. |
| 11:15.04 | koalabear | well I will give it ago |
| 11:15.17 | _Manu_ | but 1.2.2 is usabl |
| 11:15.23 | koalabear | is that the one that seg faults |
| 11:15.24 | _Manu_ | s/usabl/usable |
| 11:15.36 | _Manu_ | no.. the buggy is the 2.0.x |
| 11:15.38 | koalabear | ok. |
| 11:15.51 | _Manu_ | 1.2.2 is enough stable |
| 11:15.56 | koalabear | One thing that noticed about bzflag its the millions of functions. |
| 11:16.11 | _Manu_ | millions? heh.. a little less |
| 11:16.27 | koalabear | I did see the online docs. but I woudlnt' mind a version on my box too |
| 11:16.33 | koalabear | It felt like it. |
| 11:17.18 | koalabear | I have been playing with RobotPlayers.cxx |
| 11:17.19 | _Manu_ | you must read the comments inside the code... |
| 11:17.28 | koalabear | trying to make the bots a little more human. :) |
| 11:17.35 | koalabear | I do that. |
| 11:17.44 | koalabear | I read everything. |
| 11:17.48 | _Manu_ | more human? they ask before killing?.. hehe |
| 11:18.03 | koalabear | and I also make my own notes as well. |
| 11:18.18 | koalabear | Well I thought bot talk would be nice |
| 11:18.28 | koalabear | make them act like real player might |
| 11:18.40 | koalabear | I remember playing CS bots |
| 11:18.42 | _Manu_ | it's easy... you can send private messages to it.. and then you can make them respond |
| 11:18.51 | koalabear | and they add bot talk |
| 11:19.06 | koalabear | should be fun |
| 11:19.08 | _Manu_ | I watched it earlier.. |
| 11:19.24 | _Manu_ | like /msg bot02 #hunt koalabear |
| 11:19.34 | koalabear | Over here in Australia bzflag is not popular, there are only 3 servers I know of |
| 11:19.35 | _Manu_ | then the bot change for hunting the player |
| 11:19.51 | koalabear | So I join with a bot |
| 11:20.23 | koalabear | And half the time, I dont think the other players realise its a bot |
| 11:20.28 | koalabear | they try to jump it |
| 11:20.34 | _Manu_ | bots are good only for playina alone.. funniest is playing against other players (humans) |
| 11:20.39 | koalabear | but that is a bad move, as it has god like timing. :) |
| 11:21.03 | _Manu_ | gotta run out.. bye.. I hope you got building bzflag |
| 11:21.09 | koalabear | I know but I use one becaues I"m the only one there. |
| 11:21.14 | koalabear | and doing that moves the server up the list |
| 11:21.14 | koalabear | bye |
| 11:21.19 | koalabear | take care |
| 11:21.19 | koalabear | thanks lots |
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| 13:01.58 | CBG | I have one problem with the cvs version. |
| 13:02.04 | CBG | The multi-hunt feature is gone. :( |
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| 13:03.23 | blast007 | it wasn't really a feature ;) |
| 13:03.27 | blast007 | it was a bug |
| 13:03.58 | CBG | sure it was! |
| 13:04.06 | CBG | we want it back! |
| 13:04.52 | sniperiid | what? |
| 13:04.58 | CBG | multi-hunt |
| 13:05.11 | sniperiid | ... |
| 13:05.42 | blast007 | the hunt feature wasn't working as intended, so it was fixed... |
| 13:05.55 | sniperiid | ok... |
| 13:06.04 | CBG | un-fix it again! |
| 13:06.12 | sniperiid | no |
| 13:06.34 | CBG | nwhy? |
| 13:06.46 | CBG | whats wring with multi-hunt |
| 13:07.02 | sniperiid | to un-fix a bug that was fixed isnt good ... |
| 13:07.05 | CBG | if you dont like it, dont use it and only hunt sigle tanks... |
| 13:07.23 | blast007 | if people want multi-hunt, I would rather it be properly done |
| 13:07.43 | blast007 | someone could do a patch, and see if it get's accepted |
| 13:07.48 | CBG | then do it properly :P |
| 13:08.35 | CBG | lol :P |
| 13:09.01 | blast007 | and really, I rarely use the hunt feature at all |
| 13:09.06 | CBG | what is scary is I actually have a list...and I actually added it to it... :/ |
| 13:09.14 | blast007 | hehe |
| 13:09.15 | CBG | I always use hunt. |
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| 13:26.47 | menotume | blast007: agreed, should be properly done |
| 13:27.18 | blast007 | :) |
| 13:28.29 | BearPerson | hmm... maybe "u"->hunt, "U"->unHunt |
| 13:30.23 | menotume | i could do it, if we agree on a method |
| 13:30.31 | blast007 | or when they press 'u', they can toggle as many names as they want, and then press 'u' again when they are done selecting names |
| 13:30.59 | menotume | ya |
| 13:32.12 | menotume | only, that changes current functionality, so we'd need a little more discussion |
| 13:32.20 | Grumbler | i dont like pressing u multiple times to cycle through the list, would be nice if it was consistent with other methods like "." ....arrow keys |
| 13:32.36 | menotume | Grumbler: huh ? |
| 13:33.10 | Grumbler | then again, i havent used it since its first inception :) |
| 13:33.18 | menotume | obviously :) |
| 13:34.58 | Grumbler | ....what would be more interesting, is if you had some way to know that people were hunting you |
| 13:35.12 | menotume | ahhhh, kewl |
| 13:36.07 | menotume | lol |
| 13:36.24 | blast007 | hehe |
| 13:36.24 | menotume | of course, that would require ptotocol changes |
| 13:36.38 | Bagheera | ah, so put it in 2.1 |
| 13:36.45 | menotume | patches welcome :) |
| 13:36.49 | Bagheera | heh |
| 13:37.14 | BearPerson | not neccessarily protocol changes |
| 13:37.22 | menotume | true |
| 13:37.42 | BearPerson | either send a /msg or send an unknown packet, old versions will ignore it and new versions use it |
| 13:37.46 | menotume | a new msg type ? |
| 13:37.51 | BearPerson | of course, you'd need new servers too |
| 13:37.53 | menotume | right |
| 13:37.55 | Bagheera | the client could trigger a PM "you are being hunted by Grumbler" |
| 13:38.04 | BearPerson | yeah, or like that |
| 13:38.07 | Bagheera | the other client could just look for that |
| 13:38.33 | menotume | ya |
| 13:43.49 | menotume | for multiple-hunt: i think the only way to make it work, without changing current functionality, is to use another (new) key. |
| 13:43.50 | blast007 | just make sure they can't rapidly turn it on and off, and send a few dozen messages to people ;) |
| 13:44.49 | menotume | yes, could be abused :) |
| 13:47.28 | blast007 | :) |
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| 14:07.06 | DrEvil | muwahawahawaha |
| 14:10.52 | Bagheera | ~fishslap DrEvil |
| 14:10.52 | ibot | ACTION slaps DrEvil up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 14:11.31 | DrEvil | :) |
| 14:13.42 | DrEvil | ~CBG++ for alerting us to bzbb problem |
| 14:13.54 | CBG | no problem :) |
| 14:21.13 | Bagheera | ~fishslap CBG for not alerting us sooner |
| 14:21.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps CBG up side the head with a wet fish for not alerting us sooner |
| 14:25.31 | Bagheera | heh, j/king |
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| 14:38.29 | blast007 | heh |
| 14:49.57 | trepan | could make it a client side option, no need for proto change if it's just messages |
| 14:50.18 | trepan | oops, paging problem ;) |
| 14:54.32 | Bagheera | yeah, go back to your private conversations...........we will just wait to see what cheat makes it into the code next after wings. |
| 14:55.16 | Tupone | god mode ? |
| 14:55.30 | Tupone | it will simplify a lot the collision detect |
| 14:55.55 | Tupone | :) |
| 14:56.42 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 15:02.49 | SportChick | good mornin all. |
| 15:02.55 | blast007 | morning :) |
| 15:02.56 | Tupone | hi SportChick |
| 15:03.22 | SportChick | Has anyone encountered much IP spoofing in bz? We have a player who claims someone is spoofing his IP to get him into trouble (and using his same registered name) |
| 15:04.53 | Tupone | IP are only sent to server and admin :/ |
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| 15:07.52 | blast007 | hrm... |
| 15:08.05 | _Manu_ | SportChick, I don't think so |
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| 15:10.40 | spldart | Does anyone know if the new rabbit hunt color enhancements ever got implemented? I remember some of the dev's discussing it last week. |
| 15:11.08 | spldart | I'm thinking of changing my 'LouMan Legoland' from CTF to Rabbit hunt |
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| 15:12.34 | Bagheera | SportChick< considering the break in, we can assume that someone could have gained access to anothers ip address.......the next question is whether it could really be spoofed |
| 15:12.56 | menotume | breakin ? |
| 15:13.09 | SportChick | break-in? |
| 15:13.18 | Bagheera | the norwegians |
| 15:13.29 | menotume | which brea-in ? |
| 15:13.43 | blast007 | did they actually get access to anything? or was it just a SQL injection thing? |
| 15:13.49 | menotume | if phpbb, it doesn't store IPs |
| 15:13.57 | blast007 | no, it does store them |
| 15:13.58 | Bagheera | i understand that |
| 15:14.11 | menotume | maybe in posts, yes |
| 15:14.12 | Bagheera | but it does have everybodies password |
| 15:14.13 | Tupone | authority database should |
| 15:14.25 | menotume | hold on peeps .... |
| 15:14.27 | SportChick | should I go change my password? |
| 15:14.35 | _Manu_ | SportChick, what used, local or global password? |
| 15:14.36 | menotume | the hacker did not get shell access |
| 15:14.44 | menotume | the hacker was not a bz player |
| 15:14.44 | SportChick | global |
| 15:14.49 | Bagheera | are you sure, and if you are, then i am more scared |
| 15:14.57 | menotume | yes |
| 15:15.03 | _Manu_ | 50% of banned players say that.. they never are the troublemakers |
| 15:15.19 | menotume | he got damin rights to phpbb, and changed a few minor things |
| 15:15.23 | SportChick | _Manu_: yes, but I know this player - he is a former admin on our server |
| 15:15.24 | Bagheera | second, the only reason we found out about this individual is because he posted as such |
| 15:15.32 | _Manu_ | ah.. :/ |
| 15:15.54 | Bagheera | someone really wishing to bork things would not change things, just listen |
| 15:16.20 | Bagheera | ie, he would just listen, not everyone pay attention |
| 15:17.01 | _Manu_ | SportChick, well, he can ge his pass, but about his ip... I don't think wo |
| 15:17.05 | _Manu_ | s/wo/so |
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| 15:17.25 | Bagheera | well, once he has his pass, he could log on as an admin on sp and then get his ip |
| 15:17.49 | _Manu_ | one thing is know the ip.. another thing is spoofing it.. |
| 15:17.54 | SportChick | Bagheera: no, he is no LONGER an admin on sp - so no admin rights |
| 15:18.09 | Bagheera | SportChick< but others are |
| 15:18.13 | SportChick | he claims his IP was spoofed and sent us this link: http://www.signaltonoise.net/library/ipsp00f.htm |
| 15:18.19 | SportChick | Bagheera: true |
| 15:18.24 | Tupone | when you do authentication you save the IP, to compare back with the one coming from bzfs and say the token is right or no. So I guess IP is saved |
| 15:18.29 | Bagheera | _Manu_< i agree, that is the part i have no knowledge of |
| 15:18.46 | menotume | Tupone: yes |
| 15:18.47 | _Manu_ | spoof is like a bad trick.. only visual.. |
| 15:19.12 | menotume | of course phpbb has no knowledge of those tables |
| 15:19.16 | _Manu_ | you can get the true ip at server logs |
| 15:21.01 | SportChick | menotume: I was READING the server logs - not ingame. |
| 15:21.14 | SportChick | so if his IP is in server logs, then it's not being spoofed? |
| 15:22.30 | blast007 | I wouldn't see a way of spoofing it, unless the victim has an open proxy on their system |
| 15:22.44 | menotume | SportChick: I wasn't TALKING about that :) |
| 15:24.01 | blast007 | SportChick: how do they know that someone is "spoofing" their IP? |
| 15:24.28 | menotume | I don't know how ip-spoofing works |
| 15:24.49 | Bagheera | blast007< i believe he has that opinion from a conversation from cosmos......but that is guess from some of the traffic i saw last night and the past few days |
| 15:25.42 | Bagheera | in fact, cosmos might be the person to ask about what is going on with TT |
| 15:26.02 | SportChick | blast007: here's what I know. He plays at work with 2 other guys. They are all in the same room. No one else supposedly has access to their computers or accounts or passwords. All three guys were on at the same time. Someone came on, while they were ingame, from their same IP (according to the log records), and shouted racist slurs and other colourful language. He is now convinced that it has to be ip spoofing for t |
| 15:26.02 | SportChick | his to have happened. However, I will say that the person was on with the exact same name, even though it was a registered name. |
| 15:26.42 | SportChick | he only believes it's IP spoofing because he can't explain the same ip otherwise |
| 15:27.00 | blast007 | if he plays at work, it's gonna be a shared connection, thus the same IP...no spoofing |
| 15:27.25 | Bagheera | it could be boss at work, trying to get them kicked off :) |
| 15:27.30 | blast007 | lol |
| 15:28.24 | SportChick | yeah, I suggested all those ideas - he's adamant it can't be someone else there |
| 15:28.49 | Bagheera | does nslookup/whois indicate that its a business ip address? |
| 15:28.51 | SportChick | personally, my feeling is that if someone is causing trouble at work -w orst case, they will only be able to play at home. |
| 15:28.57 | menotume | maybe he's just trying to get himself out of troule |
| 15:29.13 | SportChick | Bagheera: I'll check from work! oops I'm late |
| 15:30.49 | Bagheera | menotume< i could see this playing out as a group of kids at a school |
| 15:31.04 | menotume | ya |
| 15:32.40 | menotume | or, even at work :) |
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| 15:32.55 | menotume | one of them secretly opened another client |
| 15:32.56 | Bagheera | heh |
| 15:33.41 | jpa- | SportChick: hmm.. so there were two person under same callsign at same time? :p |
| 15:33.42 | blast007 | or maybe it's someone outside in a black van with tinted windows leeching off the wifi! |
| 15:33.55 | Bagheera | heh |
| 15:34.10 | Bagheera | now that would make sense, because that guys connection always sucks |
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| 15:34.37 | menotume | a BZ player leeching off wifi ? |
| 15:35.23 | menotume | ok, who here owns a black van with tinted windows ? |
| 15:35.33 | blast007 | lol |
| 15:35.33 | menotume | fess up! |
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| 15:57.08 | SportyGal | bag: now what was that question I was supposed to answer? |
| 15:57.20 | SportyGal | the ip in question is 66.76.228.34 |
| 15:59.11 | menotume | cox.net - those georgians :) |
| 16:02.39 | menotume | well, that 'business' isn't hosting a webpage at that ip |
| 16:02.45 | SportyGal | the interesting thing...they are located in Nachogdoches Texas |
| 16:02.46 | menotume | doesn't really mena much though |
| 16:03.16 | menotume | ya, cox is big |
| 16:03.22 | menotume | ohh, hmmm |
| 16:03.26 | menotume | bad wording |
| 16:03.36 | menotume | central office is Atlanta |
| 16:05.12 | menotume | how do you know they are in TX? they told you ? |
| 16:11.02 | Bagheera | man those black vans can get hot |
| 16:11.09 | Bagheera | need to get some water |
| 16:13.06 | blast007 | lol |
| 16:21.47 | Pimpinella | missed something? |
| 16:21.54 | Pimpinella | server hacked? |
| 16:23.31 | blast007 | phpbb exploit that enabled admin access, I think (if that's what you are referring to) |
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| 17:07.18 | Aribeth | hi ibunny |
| 17:07.45 | ibunny | hi Aribeth |
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| 17:14.29 | ibunny | how to turn (int **example) into (Uint8 *)? |
| 17:14.34 | ibunny | if anyone knows... |
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| 17:24.01 | Chestal | ibunny: more context, please |
| 17:25.29 | ibunny | how to turn (int **example) into (Uint8 *)? without going through rigorous memcpy stuff |
| 17:26.21 | BenUrban | ibunny: just cast it |
| 17:26.31 | BenUrban | (Uint8 *)example |
| 17:26.38 | BenUrban | if you want to be as ambiguous as possible |
| 17:26.53 | BenUrban | of course that is prety much guaranteed to segfault |
| 17:26.57 | BenUrban | so we need more info |
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| 17:29.44 | Bagheera | cool, wallops has a cool link for once |
| 17:30.22 | Bagheera | strap yourself to a rocket and go |
| 17:30.54 | blast007 | :) |
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| 17:31.33 | ibunny | NO! |
| 17:31.57 | BenUrban | fine |
| 17:32.04 | BenUrban | better? |
| 17:32.13 | ibunny | yap yap |
| 17:32.21 | BenUrban | bunnies don't go "yap yap" |
| 17:32.23 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:32.26 | ibunny | we dont? |
| 17:32.30 | blast007 | they do if you step on them |
| 17:32.30 | Bagheera | of course, i just started to watch and they have a low fuel warning |
| 17:32.33 | ibunny | hop hop? |
| 17:32.33 | BenUrban | LMFAO |
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| 17:32.56 | ibunny | hi blast007 |
| 17:32.59 | BenUrban | aanyway |
| 17:33.00 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:33.05 | ibunny | hi bags |
| 17:33.12 | BenUrban | we need some context before we can answer your question, ibunny |
| 17:33.15 | Bagheera | dang no launch today |
| 17:33.27 | ibunny | BenUrban: nm its sort it out :D |
| 17:33.33 | BenUrban | ah ok |
| 17:33.39 | ibunny | no!! |
| 17:33.41 | ibunny | >=( |
| 17:33.43 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:33.51 | ibunny | yays! |
| 17:34.34 | ibunny | no!! |
| 17:34.38 | ibunny | grrr** |
| 17:34.46 | blast007 | over here, hide under this large rocket engine |
| 17:34.55 | ibunny | argl |
| 17:35.12 | BenUrban | lmfao |
| 17:35.13 | Bagheera | yeah, they say they are not going to launch, so its safe |
| 17:35.24 | BenUrban | ...w-what are you going to me, ibunny? |
| 17:35.36 | Aribeth | LAUNCH! |
| 17:35.50 | BenUrban | AAAAAACCCCKKKK |
| 17:35.57 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:36.11 | Bagheera | just be careful where you put that carrot |
| 17:36.18 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 17:36.35 | BenUrban | i haven't bene called cute since... |
| 17:36.36 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 17:36.46 | BenUrban | i don't remember the last time i was caled cte |
| 17:36.47 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:36.50 | BenUrban | *cute |
| 17:37.10 | ibunny | when was the last time you wore bunny ears? |
| 17:37.13 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 17:37.21 | BenUrban | i don't remember :P |
| 17:37.38 | BenUrban | a tank? |
| 17:37.40 | BenUrban | what kind of tank? |
| 17:38.17 | ibunny | a pimpTank |
| 17:40.01 | menotume | 'Pimp My Tanks' ? |
| 17:40.15 | BenUrban | thanks for the tank |
| 17:41.14 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:42.47 | ibunny | bunny/benbunny |
| 17:42.57 | ibunny | oh no, it was ok the line :D |
| 17:43.45 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:45.01 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:45.06 | ibunny | oh oh!! |
| 17:45.06 | BenUrban | you shuold record that |
| 17:45.11 | BenUrban | and store it on your new ipod |
| 17:45.24 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:46.40 | ibunny | we need glittery backup singers |
| 17:47.24 | ibunny | goin * wooobop * * shes getting an ipod* |
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| 17:54.18 | jpa- | SportyGal: erm.. it is not the mic |
| 17:54.56 | Aribeth | ~lart jpa- |
| 17:55.27 | jpa- | i knew my two-minded minion Aribeth would understand my joke :P |
| 17:55.31 | ibunny | SportyGal: it wasnt for you the mini skirt ... was for ur backup singers :D |
| 17:55.47 | SportyGal | ibun: oh! |
| 17:56.09 | ibunny | oh oh ! |
| 17:57.26 | ibunny | uhm no |
| 17:58.23 | ibunny | uh velvet.. |
| 17:58.28 | Aribeth | yep |
| 17:58.37 | ibunny | :D |
| 17:59.04 | ibunny | yays! |
| 17:59.50 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 17:59.58 | ibunny | ^_^ |
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| 18:02.25 | ibunny | Aribeth: we need a cute guy to walks us to the stange |
| 18:02.28 | ibunny | stage even |
| 18:02.41 | Aribeth | yep |
| 18:02.55 | ibunny | in frac or tuxedo? |
| 18:03.02 | ibunny | indeed none |
| 18:03.11 | jpa- | hey! |
| 18:03.28 | ibunny | you are wearing a mini skirt |
| 18:03.32 | ibunny | so shhh ;) |
| 18:03.37 | jpa- | no, not anymore |
| 18:03.37 | Aribeth | lol |
| 18:03.46 | jpa- | SportyGal batted it away |
| 18:04.24 | ibunny | police! |
| 18:04.27 | jpa- | ibunny: yes :) |
| 18:04.43 | ibunny | anyhow... |
| 18:04.48 | ibunny | theres no cute guy |
| 18:04.56 | jpa- | :( |
| 18:05.00 | ibunny | Aribeth: what about sean? |
| 18:05.06 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 18:05.18 | jpa- | he's not present |
| 18:05.19 | bryjen | !lart 6 ibunny |
| 18:05.52 | ibunny | Aribeth: hurry she is about to sing and we are not there... |
| 18:06.25 | ibunny | we need sean |
| 18:06.50 | ibunny | SportyGal: we are wearing gowns |
| 18:07.10 | ibunny | hm blast007 are you cute and can you wear a frac? |
| 18:07.24 | jpa- | ibunny is cute and looks like a guy ,) |
| 18:07.36 | Aribeth | ~lart jpa- |
| 18:07.39 | ibunny | i dont look like a guy! |
| 18:08.37 | ibunny | anyhow |
| 18:08.45 | blast007 | if by frac, you mean "A fractional connection or one that transfers a fraction of the maximum available bandwidth for the type of circuit, usually a T1 or DS-3", then sure |
| 18:09.21 | blast007 | else, if by frac you mean "High pressure or explosive method of fracturing rock formations", then maybe not :) |
| 18:09.26 | ibunny | :D |
| 18:09.45 | Aribeth | :D |
| 18:09.51 | ibunny | so we are ready!! |
| 18:09.52 | ibunny | oh no |
| 18:10.02 | ibunny | jpa- and blast007 gets ur mini skirts on! |
| 18:10.10 | ibunny | show MUST GO ON! |
| 18:10.26 | ibunny | SportyGal: we are kind of ready |
| 18:10.27 | jpa- | hrm hrm.. bryjen is having my skirt |
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| 18:10.43 | jpa- | aah, RedBaron2! |
| 18:10.45 | jpa- | he is cute. |
| 18:10.58 | Aribeth | lol |
| 18:11.42 | ibunny | blast007: then you open the show |
| 18:11.47 | ibunny | hurry |
| 18:14.21 | ibunny | Aribeth: i think this is us |
| 18:14.41 | Aribeth | the backup singers start in |
| 18:14.59 | ibunny | :D |
| 18:15.12 | Aribeth | *wooobop* testing mics |
| 18:15.13 | Aribeth | *wooobop* testing mics |
| 18:15.26 | ibunny | they work |
| 18:15.33 | Birdie | kick the spammer:) |
| 18:15.39 | Aribeth | awww |
| 18:15.42 | Aribeth | :( |
| 18:15.45 | Birdie | ;) |
| 18:15.56 | ibunny | now we have to wait for blast007 to present SportyGal on her debut of "hey I GOT an IPOD" |
| 18:16.29 | bryjen | ~ban everyone |
| 18:16.29 | ibot | ban everyone are you sure you want to ban everyone? <Y,n,a> |
| 18:16.54 | ibunny | oh we forgot about you bryjen |
| 18:16.55 | Aribeth | eek! |
| 18:17.31 | Aribeth | heh |
| 18:17.48 | ibunny | Aribeth: we coul have bryjen to sing with us |
| 18:17.50 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:18.03 | Aribeth | yep |
| 18:18.06 | ibunny | ok |
| 18:18.13 | menotume | just watch that he doesn't flash you |
| 18:18.15 | ibunny | so we are ready then =) |
| 18:18.21 | ibunny | who ? |
| 18:18.23 | menotume | err, i mean, DON'T watch |
| 18:18.28 | ibunny | lol* |
| 18:18.31 | Aribeth | lol |
| 18:18.36 | menotume | he flashed quantumdot - and made him leave |
| 18:18.40 | BenUrban | lol |
| 18:18.52 | ibunny | so blast007 present her , open the ceremony |
| 18:19.00 | Birdie | oh ya any idea why quantumdot wanted to talk to me meno, |
| 18:19.20 | menotume | probably to report tha gu league site was down |
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| 18:19.25 | menotume | is fixed now |
| 18:19.28 | Birdie | ooh ok |
| 18:20.47 | Aribeth | aww |
| 18:20.47 | Birdie | hi sportchicks |
| 18:20.55 | ibunny | wait uhm, does that means she is on stage? or left the stage? |
| 18:21.46 | BenUrban | she stormed off the stage... |
| 18:22.15 | ibunny | but but |
| 18:22.16 | SportyGal | ib: she left the stage |
| 18:22.26 | ibunny | no!!! >_< |
| 18:22.30 | ibunny | wooboop =( |
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| 18:23.24 | ibunny | no!! |
| 18:23.26 | ibunny | >=( |
| 18:24.49 | ibunny | ok. enough |
| 18:25.46 | ibunny | enjoy SportyGal |
| 18:26.16 | BenUrban | or did you not mean that? :P |
| 18:26.20 | ibunny | sigh* |
| 18:26.21 | BenUrban | lol |
| 18:26.34 | ibunny | SportyGal: enjoy :) |
| 18:26.55 | bryjen | bzfquery bzflag.sleepycows.us:5157 |
| 18:26.59 | bryjen | bah |
| 18:27.04 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bzflag.sleepycows.us:5157 |
| 18:27.24 | Aribeth | :( |
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| 19:03.25 | _Manu_ | Tupone, stop rejoining.. ;-p |
| 19:03.51 | Tupone | I got problem with alsa |
| 19:04.35 | menotume | I alsa got problems, but i don't rejoin |
| 19:04.59 | menotume | hehe |
| 19:06.23 | Tupone | only privileges :) |
| 19:07.13 | _Manu_ | alsa and kernel 2.6.12? |
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| 19:07.19 | Tupone | yeah |
| 19:07.27 | _Manu_ | heh :) |
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| 19:09.22 | Tupone | _Manu_: fixed |
| 19:09.31 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:09.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o Tupone] by Tupone |
| 19:10.18 | _Manu_ | some things changed for 2.6.12 and gentoo |
| 19:10.27 | _Manu_ | at last with genkernel |
| 19:10.38 | Tupone | Not using genkernel |
| 19:10.47 | Tupone | ahh and that is 2.6.11 |
| 19:11.00 | Tupone | change is in udev I suppose |
| 19:11.20 | _Manu_ | well yes.. |
| 19:12.58 | _Manu_ | but I got running the gentoo 2.6.12-r4 fine.. but got problems with initrd... it need a little more work |
| 19:14.13 | Tupone | I have it at my amd64 laptop. Take too much time here to compile, I will do this night |
| 19:14.43 | _Manu_ | are you using alsa inside the kernel? |
| 19:14.50 | Tupone | module |
| 19:14.58 | _Manu_ | ah |
| 19:15.25 | Tupone | but built during the kernel make |
| 19:16.50 | Tupone | well, the fix was just to add Tupone to the audio group :) |
| 19:17.03 | _Manu_ | you weren't? heh |
| 19:17.18 | Tupone | it worked before ... dunno why |
| 19:18.07 | _Manu_ | perhaps using another group |
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| 19:23.30 | Tegan | hi menotume |
| 19:23.34 | Bagheera | hey T |
| 19:23.49 | Tegan | hi Bagheera(?) |
| 19:24.02 | menotume | hellos |
| 19:24.04 | Grumbler | better? |
| 19:26.19 | Birdie | hey tegan |
| 19:26.46 | Tegan | nhi Birdie |
| 19:44.45 | Chestal | one day I'll debug the bzfquery.pl script, one day... :-) |
| 19:44.55 | ruskie | erm... why debug it? |
| 19:45.02 | Tegan | ~seen gsl |
| 19:45.02 | ibot | Tegan: i haven't seen 'gsl' |
| 19:45.23 | Chestal | ruskie: every now and then it will die while parsing the repsonse of a server |
| 19:45.32 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 19:45.53 | Chestal | the .py one works fine in same situation |
| 19:47.50 | Birdie | tegan: you really need the site, he never comes here |
| 19:47.58 | Tegan | I see |
| 19:48.26 | Birdie | or try pm on bzbb |
| 19:49.08 | Tegan | thanks Birdie |
| 19:49.29 | Birdie | anytime |
| 19:56.29 | SportyGal | did you see TT's post? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2432 |
| 19:59.55 | blast007 | hmm :( |
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| 20:01.00 | Tegan | they just had a lousy spammer on hepcat |
| 20:01.22 | Grumbler | yeah, hepcat is taking a brunt of cheat and spam action lately |
| 20:01.56 | hw- | he is impersonating others |
| 20:02.15 | menotume | hmm, saounds very familiar |
| 20:02.37 | hw- | yes i've seen is Tariq El whatever nickname b4 |
| 20:02.50 | hw- | i heard he bounces around european isps |
| 20:02.54 | menotume | uppupper-east coast matches our yonkers, NY friend |
| 20:04.45 | Grumbler | NY is a pita in general, sat for 2 hours waiting to cross the GWB the other weekend |
| 20:04.56 | menotume | heh |
| 20:07.37 | bryjen | "IP spoofing" |
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| 20:09.29 | Aribeth | oh yes it can be done |
| 20:10.15 | Aribeth | meinie |
| 20:10.20 | Aribeth | :) |
| 20:10.27 | jpa- | :) |
| 20:10.37 | Aribeth | ~lart jpa- |
| 20:10.45 | Aribeth | :) |
| 20:10.48 | jpa- | ~lick Aribeth |
| 20:10.48 | ibot | ACTION licks Aribeth *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 20:10.59 | bryjen | how do the packets find their way back to the spoofer on NetworkA if the connection had a fake source address of NetworkB ? |
| 20:11.24 | Aribeth | duno, just know it can and is done |
| 20:11.28 | Grumbler | drone on networkA |
| 20:11.38 | Tegan | ah |
| 20:11.57 | bryjen | Grumbler: that'd be a proxy of some sort, and to have the same address as someone else, probly on their machine |
| 20:12.24 | jpa- | or maybe just spoofed messages - is bzfs verifying connection good enough? no chat through udp? |
| 20:12.45 | bryjen | it'd need to be tcp to do much |
| 20:12.53 | blast007 | it's possible to run through a proxy |
| 20:13.03 | blast007 | but I don't think it would do UDP |
| 20:13.16 | blast007 | I scanned some common proxy ports, and they aren't open...though it could be a different port |
| 20:13.38 | Grumbler | might be able to hand-craft a relay of sorts just for bz |
| 20:13.55 | bryjen | socks5, but again, to get the victim's address, wouldn't it need to be on the victim's machine |
| 20:14.04 | bryjen | ? |
| 20:14.06 | hw- | yay atleast its not hot in here |
| 20:14.07 | blast007 | bryjen: right |
| 20:14.18 | Aribeth | windows can have screwed up trust relationships which can caus problems |
| 20:16.01 | hw- | regexp found "windows" and "trust" in the same sentence... <hell freezes over> |
| 20:16.23 | blast007 | hw-: but don't worry, the word 'screwed' was also in there ;D |
| 20:17.19 | hw- | windows && trust && !screwed |
| 20:17.33 | bryjen | windows *** **** screwed up ***** .... |
| 20:18.05 | jpa- | hw-: i those are mutually exclusive |
| 20:18.23 | Aribeth | i have seen where wins gets into a mode where it thinks another server on the network has its ip |
| 20:18.36 | hw- | thats when its time to get out the shotgun |
| 20:18.47 | Aribeth | i have had to reboot an entire domain many times because of this |
| 20:18.57 | Aribeth | hw, yep |
| 20:19.29 | Aribeth | windoz == junk |
| 20:19.31 | Grumbler | the issue is, how could you verify that this claim is correct |
| 20:19.51 | bryjen | odd. our WINS has never done that |
| 20:19.58 | Grumbler | if he is getting spooffed, then how do you prove it |
| 20:20.03 | Aribeth | windows NT |
| 20:20.19 | bryjen | yeah, NT 4 needed it |
| 20:20.32 | Aribeth | and it was buggy |
| 20:20.33 | bryjen | where it = WINS |
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| 20:20.41 | bryjen | and we ran that OK |
| 20:20.56 | hw- | one observation, he logs off before no-UDP would boot, so maybe force UDP before chat? |
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| 20:21.53 | Grumbler | blast007< what was that hex to ip converter you had going |
| 20:22.34 | Grumbler | i getting too lazy to do it by hand anymore |
| 20:22.54 | SportyGal | hiya hw |
| 20:23.07 | hw- | sup G |
| 20:23.29 | Grumbler | thats Mrs. G to you :) |
| 20:23.42 | blast007 | Grumbler: http://blast.game-host.org:10080/sbo.php?ip=9ffa1371 |
| 20:24.46 | Grumbler | you should put a whois and nslookup as part of that baby :) |
| 20:25.05 | Grumbler | or is it dig now |
| 20:25.51 | blast007 | yeah, I should do that :) |
| 20:29.38 | blast007 | right now the check for UDP happens when they fire a bullet |
| 20:30.02 | hw- | yeah so if they are proxying they can connect and spam and quit before udp would boot them |
| 20:30.16 | Grumbler | those bastards |
| 20:30.17 | blast007 | they can even drive around I think |
| 20:30.30 | hw- | demand udp before chat and that would atleast rule otu proxying |
| 20:30.38 | blast007 | and maybe even grab a SR and kill people ;) |
| 20:30.41 | Grumbler | that would explain certain behaviour i have seen lately |
| 20:31.08 | hw- | probly self-cap the flag too |
| 20:31.18 | blast007 | hw-: so maybe some UDP message saying "UDP is working" :) |
| 20:31.41 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:33.21 | bryjen | bzfs.cxx line 3513, those messages come in via udp, anything else received that way should trip that debug message |
| 20:34.18 | blast007 | hmm, that might have changed then |
| 20:34.41 | bryjen | heh, and return without being processed |
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| 20:39.27 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking |
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| 20:39.47 | hiya | hiya all ive been having some rather odd lag issues with 2.0 running on windows xp last few days about every 3 or 4 minutes i have a lag spike, shows everyone nr for 10 seconds then settles down, played for a few hours on 1.10.8 no issue, havnt changed anything major lately. Any ideas? |
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| 20:40.16 | Bunny-Bird | ~blas007++ |
| 20:40.18 | Bunny-Bird | helping me is cool:) |
| 20:40.32 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:40.54 | blast007 | hiya: what kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 20:41.08 | hiya | have a dsl line running through a wireless router |
| 20:42.51 | blast007 | you could try running one of the beta builds of 2.0.3, and see if that fixes the problem |
| 20:43.01 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/bzflag-2.0.3b8.exe (newest build for Windows) |
| 20:43.16 | hw- | hiya: do you have outlook periodecially checking mail in the background? :) |
| 20:43.19 | hiya | ah already tried that might not be newest windows version however meno was saying it wasnt |
| 20:43.24 | hiya | nope :) |
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| 20:44.32 | blast007 | was it on a specific server, or every server? |
| 20:45.33 | hiya | tried dub hepcat and gu so id assume every server |
| 20:48.58 | blast007 | a possible issue could be spyware/adware/etc, but that should mess up all versions of the game |
| 20:49.09 | blast007 | still wouldn't be a bad idea to run some scans though |
| 20:50.30 | jpa- | hiya: sounds a bit like SportyGal-jitter -issue .. are other players complaining about your lagginess? |
| 20:50.39 | jpa- | hiya: and what OS are you on? |
| 20:50.45 | SportyGal | jpa: don't bring up jitter AGAIN! |
| 20:50.52 | blast007 | They're on XP |
| 20:51.26 | jpa- | SportyGal: sowwy, but the more we spread knowledge of it, maybe someone can help you |
| 20:51.36 | SportyGal | jpa: I'm fixed thank you very much |
| 20:51.37 | jpa- | :P |
| 20:51.39 | SportyGal | mostly anyway |
| 20:51.44 | blast007 | SportyGal: when you discovered that issue, did it cause NR's? or just jumpyness on the screen? |
| 20:51.51 | hiya | ^^ blast had the same idea about spyware and such ran several scans mostly clean |
| 20:51.59 | blast007 | hiya: k |
| 20:52.02 | Tegan | mostly |
| 20:52.03 | Grumbler | SportyGal drinking coffee again |
| 20:52.18 | SportyGal | blast: it was the jumpiness mostly, though the nr problem had been a problem before one of the middle upgrades |
| 20:52.32 | blast007 | ok |
| 20:52.41 | jpa- | could hiya try the sporty-build? |
| 20:52.52 | hiya | and jpa ppl arent complaining about my lagginess per say the game just kinda freezes up for me everyone goes nr worse for me than them as they appear somewhere else randopmly when it settles ^^ |
| 20:53.11 | hiya | screws up 1v1 matches pretty bad :) |
| 20:53.18 | blast007 | I bet :) |
| 20:53.22 | jpa- | hmm.. and this happens on every server, not just the rambo's crappy one? :) |
| 20:53.36 | hiya | lol yah every server ^^ |
| 20:54.02 | jpa- | you tried 'em all? :) |
| 20:54.27 | hiya | well no lol but three or four pretty solid ones ive never had issues with ^^ |
| 20:54.35 | hiya | trying dub with the new build right now see how it goes :) |
| 20:54.46 | bryjen | Mmm, a shake sounds good. chocolate! |
| 20:55.57 | SportyGal | beezeego |
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| 20:58.42 | hw- | ~beezeego-- |
| 20:59.29 | blast007 | beezeego - What you have to do when you've been playing bzflag for 8 hours straight |
| 21:00.04 | Tegan | unless you're an astronaut |
| 21:00.09 | hw- | bzbag |
| 21:00.38 | WonderMop | 8 stright hours? Eeek... Crack would be better for your nervous system :P |
| 21:01.38 | *** join/#bzflag Shadowpillar (~Shadow@pool0728.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net) |
| 21:02.03 | WonderMop | Well, in g=0, you'd need an optical mouse |
| 21:02.36 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (Meatwad@host-57-142-230-24.midco.net) |
| 21:02.40 | WonderMop | And the lag would be horrid... Imagine beaming UDP from space |
| 21:02.46 | Tegan | :) |
| 21:03.40 | Shadowpillar | anyone know where I can get a bot? (no, no malicious use, just for my own use when I'm not online |
| 21:04.05 | blast007 | http://www.google.com |
| 21:04.12 | Shadowpillar | blast007: tried that |
| 21:04.19 | WonderMop | Hmmm... A g=0 enclosed map would be fun.... |
| 21:04.20 | Shadowpillar | 5 pages and I havent found anything |
| 21:04.32 | bryjen | a robot in bzflag? bzflag -solo # |
| 21:04.34 | blast007 | ~ibot |
| 21:04.34 | ibot | well, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 21:04.35 | hw- | http://www.google.com/search?q=irc+bots |
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| 21:05.51 | Shadowpillar | brad2901: cool |
| 21:05.52 | Shadowpillar | thanks |
| 21:06.16 | Shadowpillar | hw-: not irc bots, why would I ask for irc bots in relation to bzflag? ;) |
| 21:06.18 | bz6229 | how do u load a world |
| 21:06.50 | brad2901 | ShadowPillar: ? |
| 21:07.11 | hw- | I dunno, when u say bot on irc you should specify |
| 21:07.21 | bryjen | you specify the world file when starting the server |
| 21:07.23 | Shadowpillar | brad2901: soryy |
| 21:07.23 | Shadowpillar | I meant bryjen |
| 21:07.30 | brad2901 | Ah, ok |
| 21:07.30 | bz6229 | how |
| 21:07.30 | brad2901 | np |
| 21:08.14 | bryjen | are you starting the server from a command-prompt or from the menu in the client? |
| 21:08.57 | hiya | sigh well it worked for awhile without a hitch but a spike has come |
| 21:09.52 | WonderMop | Hmm.. BZ on a commodore 64 would be cool |
| 21:09.58 | Tegan | Shadowpillar: have you tried bzflag -solo {number of bots} ? |
| 21:10.09 | bz6229 | command prompt |
| 21:10.49 | hiya | and back to its regular two minute cycles :( |
| 21:10.52 | Shadowpillar | yeah |
| 21:12.46 | bz6229 | nevermind |
| 21:13.52 | hw- | why is bzflag using 99% cpu :( |
| 21:14.18 | blast007 | cuz it's a 3D game :) |
| 21:14.39 | hiya | any other ideas blast? :( |
| 21:15.14 | hw- | hiya: the recurring spike can indicate a cache that fills up and is purged |
| 21:15.31 | hw- | hiya: it can be associated with the soundcard, videocard, network card, or any number of things |
| 21:15.35 | blast007 | but it doesn't do it on 1.10.8 |
| 21:16.17 | hiya | thats why i find it so strange :( |
| 21:17.26 | hw- | 1.10.8 doesn't have the fonts in external files? |
| 21:18.00 | blast007 | hmm...nope |
| 21:18.12 | blast007 | hiya: what video card do you have? |
| 21:18.38 | hw- | 1.10.8 image files: 60, 901k, sound file: 28, 2.28MB |
| 21:19.03 | hw- | 2.0.2 image files: 66, 4.53 MB, sound files: 31, 2.34MB |
| 21:20.13 | blast007 | could be a texture thing |
| 21:20.18 | hiya | generic internal laptop card ^^ think its 32 mb or so labeled sg3 Unichrome Pro IGP i believe |
| 21:20.28 | blast007 | icky, unichrome |
| 21:21.01 | hiya | not the best card on the planet been running fine minimilistically tho |
| 21:21.27 | blast007 | then again, I shouldn't 'ick', cuz this only has an 8MB S3 Savage IX ;) |
| 21:21.52 | hiya | rofl |
| 21:22.01 | blast007 | have you tried running with textures disabled? |
| 21:22.06 | hiya | well hw what can i do about the video card cache? |
| 21:22.19 | hiya | wont run smoothly without them disabled ^^ |
| 21:22.23 | hiya | i have almost nothing enabled |
| 21:22.30 | hiya | rain is about the only effect ^^ |
| 21:22.34 | hw- | sometimes its faster with the settings enabled |
| 21:22.40 | hw- | rain will defintely slow it down |
| 21:22.54 | hw- | press T i think to see the FPS and tweak the settings til you get the highest fps |
| 21:22.56 | blast007 | depth buffer should be on |
| 21:23.07 | hiya | yah but its so cool and besides its not running most of the time on most servers |
| 21:24.10 | hiya | hum t doesnt do anything for me ^^ |
| 21:24.30 | hw- | fps is a little white number on the top left of the square sight |
| 21:25.04 | hiya | ah seeing it around 20 |
| 21:25.06 | hiya | low? |
| 21:25.12 | hw- | yeah that'd be low |
| 21:25.32 | hw- | 33 is movie quality |
| 21:26.01 | blast007 | I can play on my other computer at an average of 24FPS with no problems |
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| 21:26.38 | hw- | well that could be totally unrelated to your lag spikes :) |
| 21:26.42 | hiya | yah i dont have consistent problems i mean its been running fine for 3 months now |
| 21:27.04 | hw- | you can run tracert to the server of your choice |
| 21:27.15 | hiya | just last 2 days lag spikes and id wait it out but i trying to compete in 1vs1 championship atm ^^ |
| 21:27.20 | hw- | look up the whois on each of those intermediate steps, and email them |
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| 21:28.53 | hiya | what would this accomplish? |
| 21:29.25 | hw- | ask them if they recently made changes to their network routing that are hindering your gameplay :) |
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| 21:34.08 | menotume | hiya hiya |
| 21:34.22 | ibunny | meno meno |
| 21:34.31 | ibunny | CBG CBG <3<3 |
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| 21:38.38 | hiya | hiya meno |
| 21:38.47 | hiya | lag issues remain unresolved :) |
| 21:40.58 | menotume | are you running on a laptop ? |
| 21:43.18 | hiya | o yah i am |
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| 21:44.25 | hiya | would the fact im on a laptop effect it? |
| 21:44.39 | menotume | well, sort of |
| 21:44.59 | menotume | the MS clock fix had to do with laptop CPU changing speeds |
| 21:45.31 | menotume | which it would do if battery low, too hot, etc. |
| 21:46.03 | hiya | hum |
| 21:46.19 | hiya | anything i can do to check or fix it? |
| 21:48.02 | menotume | ~beezeego |
| 21:48.11 | menotume | !beezeego |
| 21:48.12 | TheLastSpartan | menotume: I'm sorry, I was listening to AirSupply. |
| 21:48.20 | menotume | !beezeego is What you have to do when you've been playing bzflag for 8 hours straight. |
| 21:48.51 | menotume | looking, hiya |
| 21:49.34 | menotume | hiya: did you try the latest win build ? |
| 21:49.45 | hiya | yah i did |
| 21:50.04 | hiya | and when my lag spikes it registers as mass packetloss |
| 21:50.08 | menotume | can you go to dub:59998 ? |
| 21:50.14 | hiya | sure thing |
| 21:50.48 | menotume | k |
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| 22:04.34 | CBG | DTRemenak: groups have been requested and jeff is away... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=42600 |
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| 22:26.24 | menotume | lol, DTRemenak beat me to it |
| 22:26.34 | DTRemenak | :) |
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| 22:55.13 | Thumper_ | jpa-: hi |
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| 23:07.01 | CBG | omg... who was chaning my nick? |
| 23:07.04 | CBG | *changing |
| 23:07.25 | DTRemenak | hrm? |
| 23:07.56 | CBG | 2.0.4? where? :P |
| 23:08.06 | Tupone | for me 2.0.4 can go out, if you can build curl+c-ares |
| 23:08.32 | DTRemenak | Tupone: k, I'll look at it |
| 23:08.35 | CBG | "You are now known as CBG_." --how did that happen? |
| 23:08.45 | DTRemenak | CBG: because you didn't disconnect the first time |
| 23:09.00 | DTRemenak | and you didn't ghost yourself |
| 23:09.01 | CBG | I was ghosted? |
| 23:09.04 | CBG | Oh... |
| 23:09.14 | CBG | so what actually happened? |
| 23:09.39 | CBG | The equivalent of going NR? |
| 23:10.07 | DTRemenak | CBG joined. Then CBG tried to join again, but his nick was taken, so he switched to CBG_. Then CBG left with a 110 (connection timed out). |
| 23:10.38 | DTRemenak | probably your computer, connection, and/or irc client crashed or quit improperly |
| 23:10.44 | CBG | Ok. thanks :) |
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| 23:16.18 | DTRemenak | Tupone: 7.14.0 work ok? |
| 23:16.26 | Tupone | yep |
| 23:16.42 | DTRemenak | cool. just a bit wary of those .0's :) |
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| 23:26.54 | Server | *** Server Warning: Your lag is too high (3 days). *** |
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| 23:36.43 | CBG | Since you are All so incredibly smart, I am sure you can help me out by making the groups I request (http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2660&start=75) and answering my dumb questions (http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4490) ;) |
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| 23:41.45 | CBG | OR: you can all just ignore the stupid, annoying little kid and instead add him to the master-ban list... :) |
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| 23:43.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10admin/master-bans.txt: master-ban CBG, as per request |
| 23:43.38 | CBG | Cheers trepan. :) |
| 23:43.45 | CBG | Now I am not just banned on gu. :) |
| 23:51.18 | menotume | lol ! |
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| 23:52.57 | koalabear | hiya |
| 23:53.03 | CBG | hi |
| 23:53.16 | koalabear | hi there CBG |
| 23:53.25 | DTRemenak | kinda early perth time, isn't it? |
| 23:53.31 | koalabear | I was wondering how you import bzflag code into anjuta |
| 23:53.40 | koalabear | I"m always up early |
| 23:53.48 | CBG | Perth? :S |
| 23:53.59 | koalabear | Perth western australia |
| 23:54.01 | DTRemenak | generally, you don't :) |
| 23:54.11 | CBG | Gotcha. :) |
| 23:54.26 | CBG | Is it not around 11AM there? |
| 23:54.42 | koalabear | no 7.58 at |
| 23:54.46 | CBG | Oh. 8AM. :) |
| 23:54.46 | koalabear | so its not early |
| 23:54.52 | DTRemenak | seems early :) |
| 23:55.06 | DTRemenak | or was that yesterday |
| 23:55.06 | CBG | Well - I won't be up at 8AM tomorow... :P |
| 23:55.09 | koalabear | I"m usually up around 6ish |
| 23:55.15 | CBG | lol DTR. yesterday :P |
| 23:55.54 | koalabear | I'd like to use anjuta, it has a cvs funtion, and a class brower I think |
| 23:56.43 | DTRemenak | I've found that anjuta is the buggiest, most unstable piece of crap^H^H^H^H^H^H^H most wonderful ide around. |
| 23:56.56 | menotume | koalabear: i doubt that any bz project files are available already |
| 23:57.01 | koalabear | Ah I see |
| 23:57.05 | menotume | i guess you'll have to make one |
| 23:57.09 | DTRemenak | forgot I can't say bad things about gnomish projects :) |
| 23:57.19 | koalabear | Well that' s probably a good way to start |
| 23:57.22 | menotume | i've never used it myslef |
| 23:57.50 | koalabear | I liked kdevelop but there is just no way I'm having qt on my system. |
| 23:57.52 | DTRemenak | I tried to import bzflag a couple times in different versions but it always segfaulted on me |
| 23:57.55 | koalabear | I dont really use gnome |
| 23:58.16 | koalabear | well so far the hello world program is looking promising. |
| 23:58.24 | DTRemenak | kdevelop at least deals with the sources ok, but you need all the other junk^H wonderful software libraries that it depends on |
| 23:58.43 | menotume | that backspace key is getting a workout |
| 23:58.49 | DTRemenak | yeah :S |
| 23:59.05 | DTRemenak | typically does when I start talking about open-source ides :) |
| 23:59.31 | menotume | hehe |