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| 00:11.26 | menotume | so much for that theory. 'lynx' brought up m.b.o/db just fine (from shell at dub) |
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| 00:32.59 | Kurt2 | howdy howdy |
| 00:34.37 | blast007 | hello |
| 00:34.58 | Kurt2 | any radical individualists present? |
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| 01:08.19 | amathis | :) |
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| 01:40.09 | uso | is there a possibility to autokick player with high jitter? |
| 01:41.05 | uso | i.e. player with a high standard deviation like 200 +- 100 ms |
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| 02:44.52 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 02:51.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update mac icon to match the new one |
| 02:59.16 | trepan | the ever friendly mikeeusa was over at #wings3d [~wonc@H80.C211.tor.velocet.net] |
| 02:59.47 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 02:59.49 | purple_cow | he does get around |
| 02:59.49 | trepan | ...none too fond of any bz contributors |
| 03:03.22 | JeffM2501 | wow he's persistant if anything |
| 03:05.39 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I asked saturos to make a logo for screamers |
| 03:05.45 | JeffM2501 | but I don't have anything to show him |
| 03:05.47 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:05.54 | purple_cow | maybe show him the old screenies? |
| 03:06.01 | JeffM2501 | I was gopnna |
| 03:06.06 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 03:06.07 | JeffM2501 | but sasami is not on the net :) |
| 03:06.22 | JeffM2501 | have to transfer it all to some server somewheres |
| 03:06.27 | purple_cow | so after the logo, we still need a main menu and a bad SF web page :) |
| 03:06.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah really bad |
| 03:06.47 | JeffM2501 | I think I can do some bad bad HTML |
| 03:06.51 | JeffM2501 | I got a bottle of wine |
| 03:06.53 | JeffM2501 | that'll help |
| 03:07.02 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:07.03 | purple_cow | hmm, wine |
| 03:07.18 | JeffM2501 | do you have a place I could put the screamers site? |
| 03:07.22 | JeffM2501 | temp? |
| 03:08.18 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:08.37 | uso | anyone with admin on gamesunited here? |
| 03:08.56 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: well, i'd say navi, but our dsl modem is going super-flaky |
| 03:09.52 | JeffM2501 | just for a bit |
| 03:10.15 | purple_cow | heh |
| 03:10.18 | bryjen | that's what you get for letting scanline build one in a cereal box ;) |
| 03:10.33 | purple_cow | no, it's a real, honest, commercial modem |
| 03:10.38 | purple_cow | that we're renting from qwest |
| 03:10.45 | purple_cow | it just happens to be total garbage |
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| 03:12.37 | bryjen | no, its purposefully that way, the cheapest one possible, so they're scre^W ahem, profiting even more |
| 03:13.04 | JeffM2501 | I have a speedstream here if you want one or 2 purple_cow |
| 03:14.02 | purple_cow | speedstream? |
| 03:14.13 | JeffM2501 | modem sbc uses |
| 03:14.20 | purple_cow | does it do PPPoA? |
| 03:14.29 | JeffM2501 | oA? |
| 03:14.32 | JeffM2501 | oE yes |
| 03:14.36 | purple_cow | over ATM |
| 03:14.40 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 03:14.43 | JeffM2501 | don't know |
| 03:14.46 | purple_cow | like oE, but without all the overhead |
| 03:15.04 | bryjen | instead of oEoA |
| 03:15.16 | purple_cow | do you have a model #? |
| 03:15.32 | JeffM2501 | if I could find it yeah |
| 03:15.36 | JeffM2501 | I know one is at work |
| 03:15.38 | JeffM2501 | should be one here |
| 03:16.16 | blast007 | I like the new bzflag.ico :) |
| 03:18.01 | JeffM2501 | can't seem to find the one here |
| 03:18.10 | JeffM2501 | I'll get you a model number in the AM |
| 03:18.17 | purple_cow | A...M? |
| 03:18.24 | JeffM2501 | morning |
| 03:18.27 | JeffM2501 | when I go to work |
| 03:18.32 | JeffM2501 | some of my boxes of crap are at work |
| 03:18.38 | purple_cow | i don't see any "speedstream" things on the qwest web page, but it could be that they just don't officially support it |
| 03:18.56 | JeffM2501 | it's a motorola thingy IRC |
| 03:19.47 | bryjen | is the page current? bellsouth's 'supported' page is a list of modems no longer manufactured :) |
| 03:20.05 | purple_cow | bryjen: yeah |
| 03:28.04 | bryjen | hmm, googling turns up efficient networks, which may've been bought by or a division of siemens |
| 03:28.17 | bryjen | http://subscriber.communications.siemens.com/subscriber_networks/pdf/dslmodems.pdf |
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| 03:43.39 | bryjen | egads |
| 03:44.56 | bryjen | +f foo{0.5} ?!?! |
| 03:45.19 | bzbunny | huh? |
| 03:46.14 | bryjen | in a bug report, as part of a bzfs command line, actually +f bad{0.5}, but still |
| 03:46.36 | bzbunny | ahh |
| 03:47.02 | bzbunny | 0.5 seems strange |
| 03:47.13 | bryjen | meebee they're half-bad flags ;) |
| 03:47.20 | bzbunny | heh |
| 03:48.55 | bzbunny | maybe ther are quantum flags ;) |
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| 04:12.00 | SciDude | has anyone compiled the newer bzflag for linux (fedora or similiar)? |
| 04:12.58 | JeffM2501 | define "newer"? |
| 04:16.10 | SciDude | I was looking at the newer Beta Build 2.0.3b8 - wondering how difficult it would be to compile on linux. |
| 04:16.29 | JeffM2501 | just follow the instuctions |
| 04:16.37 | JeffM2501 | if you have the right packages it should build fine |
| 04:17.16 | SciDude | I may then try it. If it works I might attempt an rpm-build. |
| 04:17.18 | JeffM2501 | any real dependecny dif is that libCurl is required now |
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| 04:17.58 | SciDude | howdy hw |
| 04:18.24 | hw | hola amigo coma estas |
| 04:18.34 | SciDude | que paso hombre! |
| 04:18.53 | hw | mmm queso |
| 04:19.04 | bzbunny | hi KyleH |
| 04:19.31 | hw | seen cosmos? |
| 04:20.08 | hw | ~seen cosmos |
| 04:20.08 | ibot | cosmos <~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 34d 2h 51m 19s ago, saying: 'or too many script kiddies on your block packeting away'. |
| 04:20.30 | blast007 | hmm...that's wrong |
| 04:20.37 | KyleH | JeffM2501 linux does not have a direct "libcurl". Is this the correct dep?: "cURL is a tool for getting files from FTP, HTTP, Gopher, Telnet, and |
| 04:20.37 | KyleH | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.38 | hw | 34 days? |
| 04:20.44 | blast007 | ibot is having issues with the 'seen' command |
| 04:21.47 | JeffM2501 | on debian it's libcurl3-dev |
| 04:22.00 | JeffM2501 | curl uses libcurl |
| 04:22.18 | JeffM2501 | dono what other distro's call it |
| 04:22.25 | JeffM2501 | but yes "linux" has it as a lib |
| 04:22.31 | JeffM2501 | libcurl3.so usualy |
| 04:23.49 | JeffM2501 | what distro? |
| 04:24.13 | KyleH | Fedora FC3 - appears to use this: http://rrette.com/curlpp.html |
| 04:24.44 | JeffM2501 | IIRC FC3 has the right lib installed by default |
| 04:24.48 | JeffM2501 | does config complain for you? |
| 04:25.09 | JeffM2501 | curlpp is NOT libcurl |
| 04:25.20 | JeffM2501 | it is a wraper |
| 04:25.27 | KyleH | ok - thanks |
| 04:25.38 | KyleH | installed by default is good for me! |
| 04:25.54 | KyleH | I've no config complaints yet - have just started looking at deps. |
| 04:25.58 | blast007 | http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/fedora/development/i386/curl-devel-7.14.0-1.i386.html |
| 04:25.59 | JeffM2501 | well it was on mine when I used FC3 |
| 04:26.02 | JeffM2501 | ttp://curl.haxx.se/download.html |
| 04:26.04 | blast007 | seems to have libcurl in there |
| 04:26.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah its' a common part of many linux distros |
| 04:26.26 | blast007 | and yeah, the curl download page has fedora RPMs |
| 04:26.32 | blast007 | dev and binary |
| 04:27.01 | JeffM2501 | fedora is also not the total representation of linux :) |
| 04:27.34 | JeffM2501 | tis a good starter linux tho |
| 04:27.54 | JeffM2501 | if you have to install a package tho |
| 04:27.58 | JeffM2501 | know that we don't need SSL |
| 04:28.07 | JeffM2501 | so that could make it easyer for you |
| 04:28.17 | KyleH | ok |
| 04:28.25 | hw | u guys know about http://rpmfind.net/ right |
| 04:28.39 | KyleH | found it! rpm -q curl |
| 04:28.39 | KyleH | curl-7.12.3-3.fc3 |
| 04:28.51 | blast007 | hw: I pasted a link to it above ;) |
| 04:29.06 | KyleH | my rpm was reporting "not found" because my package manager had a lock on the rpm database. Confusing! |
| 04:29.51 | hw | rpm -q --whatprovides libcurl |
| 04:30.22 | KyleH | I get "no package provides libcurl" |
| 04:30.44 | Aribeth | good old rpm |
| 04:31.10 | JeffM2501 | KyleH, one of the reasons why rpms kinda suck :) |
| 04:31.21 | hw | ReallyPoorlyMaintained |
| 04:32.43 | KyleH | what are you working on Aribeth? |
| 04:32.52 | JeffM2501 | how long have you used fedora? |
| 04:33.05 | KyleH | for years. Mandrake before that |
| 04:33.20 | JeffM2501 | you may want to work up to a better linux ;) |
| 04:33.29 | KyleH | I've used Fedora Core 3 for 6 months, Fedora Core 2 for about a year prior to that |
| 04:33.49 | hw | get a mac :) |
| 04:34.05 | KyleH | it has some annoying bugs. Something keeps breaking the autodev stuff. Will no longer recognise my memory stick media. |
| 04:34.10 | JeffM2501 | why? so he can look at a package and wonder why it goes? |
| 04:34.14 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 04:34.21 | Aribeth | i run Gentoo |
| 04:34.33 | JeffM2501 | KyleH, debian, ubanutu, and gentoo are what people usualy move to |
| 04:34.36 | JeffM2501 | for support |
| 04:34.56 | KyleH | The Macs are appealing. I would probably move to debian. |
| 04:35.01 | JeffM2501 | apt and emerge own rpm |
| 04:35.05 | hw | ubuntu is sweet |
| 04:35.16 | KyleH | apt and synaptic work on Fedora |
| 04:35.23 | JeffM2501 | they can yes |
| 04:35.34 | KyleH | in fact, that is what I now use. |
| 04:35.59 | JeffM2501 | then apt-get install libcurl3-dev |
| 04:36.14 | hw | ziggysworld |
| 04:41.18 | KyleH | jeepers. I give up. my apt-get reports "no libcurl" and rpmfind.net just stopped responding. Perhaps I'll try another day. |
| 04:41.37 | JeffM2501 | have you even tried to build? |
| 04:41.44 | JeffM2501 | you probably have libcurl allready |
| 04:41.44 | KyleH | nope not yet |
| 04:41.52 | JeffM2501 | config will tell you what your missing |
| 04:42.03 | KyleH | ok then - I go snag a cvs copy then |
| 04:43.49 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, got a temp site up, when I see saturos I'll send him here, http://my.bzflag.org/temp/screamers/ |
| 04:44.33 | hw | kyle what platform |
| 04:44.53 | KyleH | intel |
| 04:45.14 | purple_cow | heh |
| 04:45.17 | hw | ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/development/i386/Fedora/RPMS/curl-7.14.0-1.i386.rpm |
| 04:45.35 | hw | ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/4/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/curl-7.13.1-3.i386.rpm |
| 04:45.49 | hw | ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/updates/3/i386/curl-7.12.3-3.fc3.i386.rpm |
| 04:46.17 | KyleH | hw, thank you. I have "curl" installed although rpm does not show libcurl as contained within. |
| 05:11.39 | KyleH | is bzflag cvs working? I'm getting the following error: |
| 05:11.40 | KyleH | Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 05:11.40 | KyleH | CVS password: |
| 05:11.40 | KyleH | cvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from cvs.sourceforge.net: cvs pserver: cannot read /cvsroot/bzflag/CVSROOT/config: Input/output error |
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| 05:16.26 | KyleH | This: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 needs an update then |
| 05:17.03 | SC-phone | hi kyleh |
| 05:17.17 | KyleH | Hi Sporty! |
| 05:17.26 | JeffM2501 | it's maintained by SF |
| 05:17.37 | JeffM2501 | as far as I know it all works |
| 05:17.44 | JeffM2501 | I don't use pserver because I don't do anon |
| 05:18.21 | KyleH | will this work? cvs -z3 -d:ext:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 05:18.42 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:18.45 | KyleH | How are you connected now Sporty? |
| 05:18.46 | JeffM2501 | ext is for ssh |
| 05:18.54 | JeffM2501 | anon is not via ssh |
| 05:19.05 | SC-phone | my phone |
| 05:19.26 | KyleH | cool - irc by phone |
| 05:20.00 | SC-phone | yup |
| 05:20.27 | KyleH | I'm not trying to get the lastest bzflag by cvs sporty. |
| 05:20.50 | SC-phone | you're not? |
| 05:21.09 | KyleH | oops |
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| 05:21.15 | KyleH | I'm now trying to get the lastest bzflag by cvs sporty. |
| 05:21.25 | KyleH | s/w/t lol |
| 05:21.29 | KyleH | Hello Tegan |
| 05:21.31 | JeffM2501 | anon shoudl work |
| 05:21.35 | Tegan | hi KyleH |
| 05:21.43 | JeffM2501 | jus make sure you got all the /'s in the right spot |
| 05:22.11 | KyleH | JeffM2501 what do I replace the "pserver" with? |
| 05:22.16 | SC-phone | hehe, and make sure your w's are t's |
| 05:22.20 | JeffM2501 | KyleH, nothing |
| 05:22.23 | JeffM2501 | pserver is anon |
| 05:22.25 | KyleH | ok, will do |
| 05:22.27 | Tegan | ever and anon |
| 05:22.29 | JeffM2501 | you can't use the same thing I use |
| 05:23.43 | SC-phone | hi again tegan |
| 05:23.46 | KyleH | More errors! ;-(( |
| 05:23.47 | KyleH | $ cvs -d:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login |
| 05:23.47 | KyleH | cvs login: Unknown method (`anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net') in CVSROOT. |
| 05:23.47 | KyleH | cvs [login aborted]: Bad CVSROOT: `:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag'. |
| 05:24.06 | Tegan | hi SC-phone |
| 05:24.58 | JeffM2501 | just do exactly as it says on the page |
| 05:25.03 | JeffM2501 | the page is correct |
| 05:25.11 | JeffM2501 | there was probably just a lock on anon |
| 05:25.14 | JeffM2501 | from an update from ssh |
| 05:26.01 | KyleH | ok! this works: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 05:26.09 | JeffM2501 | I just did an update |
| 05:26.15 | KyleH | thak you Jeff |
| 05:26.18 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 05:26.19 | KyleH | +n |
| 05:26.23 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't use a CLI cvs tool |
| 05:26.29 | JeffM2501 | too fugly |
| 05:26.35 | KyleH | what do you use? |
| 05:27.04 | JeffM2501 | TortoiseCVS |
| 05:27.25 | KyleH | ahhh - source forge recommends that one |
| 05:27.29 | SC-phone | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 05:27.32 | JeffM2501 | it kicks butt |
| 05:28.11 | KyleH | it does not work under linux ;-( |
| 05:28.25 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 05:28.38 | JeffM2501 | konq cvs plugin is the closest thing |
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| 05:31.33 | SC-phone | ~kyleh++ |
| 05:31.48 | KyleH | yes? |
| 05:32.37 | KyleH | nope |
| 05:32.40 | KyleH | we have karma here? |
| 05:32.43 | SC-phone | ~karma kyleh |
| 05:32.43 | ibot | kyleh has karma of 1 |
| 05:32.51 | KyleH | cool |
| 05:32.56 | KyleH | I have sporty karma! |
| 05:33.03 | Tegan | KyleH++ |
| 05:33.10 | KyleH | ~sportchick |
| 05:33.10 | ibot | a fast-typing, mistake making, fun-loving, koolaid-drinking chick |
| 05:33.16 | SC-phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.16 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 56 |
| 05:33.33 | KyleH | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 05:33.40 | KyleH | ~Tegan++ |
| 05:33.46 | KyleH | ~sportchick++ |
| 05:33.51 | SC-phone | !jeff you didn't inherit patlabor's karma? |
| 05:33.54 | Tegan | ~KyleH++ |
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| 05:34.21 | SC-phone | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.21 | ibot | patlabor221 has karma of 238 |
| 05:34.32 | KyleH | ~karma hw |
| 05:34.32 | ibot | hw has neutral karma |
| 05:34.38 | JeffM2501 | he's dead jim |
| 05:34.40 | SC-phone | hrmph |
| 05:34.45 | SC-phone | hehe |
| 05:36.02 | KyleH | Sporty is your computer still giving you trouble? what was the error? |
| 05:36.36 | SC-phone | internet is down |
| 05:36.42 | KyleH | ok |
| 05:37.45 | JeffM2501 | she's traveling :) |
| 05:38.33 | SC-phone | am not! |
| 05:38.38 | SC-phone | not til thursday |
| 05:38.48 | KyleH | where you going sporty? |
| 05:38.55 | JeffM2501 | I thought you were out |
| 05:38.59 | SC-phone | monterey |
| 05:39.00 | JeffM2501 | my bad |
| 05:39.08 | KyleH | cool. dont forget the sunscreen |
| 05:39.20 | SC-phone | I won"t |
| 05:39.40 | KyleH | you can always tell the tourist by the level of burn. hehe |
| 05:40.40 | Tegan | milk wine? |
| 05:41.02 | KyleH | that would make a good bznick |
| 05:41.17 | SC-phone | which |
| 05:41.28 | KyleH | "sunscreen queen" |
| 05:41.40 | SC-phone | hehe |
| 05:47.54 | KyleH | JeffM2501 the cvs checkout is giving me this version: |
| 05:47.55 | KyleH | $ bzflag -v |
| 05:47.55 | KyleH | BZFlag client 2.0.2.20050405-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 05:48.00 | KyleH | Is this the latest one? |
| 05:48.29 | *** join/#bzflag cosmos (~cosmos@bukowski.hepcat.org) |
| 05:49.15 | SC-phone | hi cosmos |
| 05:49.42 | cosmos | hola, heard there was a listserv hijinks today |
| 05:49.49 | cosmos | i couldnt login via bzadmin this morning heh |
| 05:50.05 | JeffM2501 | KyleH, the date comes from your computer when you build |
| 05:50.08 | JeffM2501 | so it won't match anyting |
| 05:50.12 | JeffM2501 | if it's cvs then it's latest |
| 05:50.16 | JeffM2501 | up to 5 hours |
| 05:50.21 | JeffM2501 | since your on anon |
| 05:50.48 | KyleH | ok, thank you jeffm2501. That date above 20050405 does not match anything tho |
| 05:50.56 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 05:51.04 | JeffM2501 | you are still running your rpm version |
| 05:51.09 | JeffM2501 | run the one you just built |
| 05:51.22 | KyleH | oh its finding it in my path. |
| 05:51.25 | KyleH | I can fix that! |
| 05:51.31 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 05:51.43 | JeffM2501 | to just test a build best to run it from a full path |
| 05:51.47 | KyleH | here it is: |
| 05:51.48 | KyleH | $ ./bzflag -v |
| 05:51.48 | KyleH | BZFlag client 2.0.3.20050706-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 05:51.48 | KyleH | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2005 Tim Riker |
| 05:52.02 | SC-phone | cos: yeah they had to reload the whole thing, I heard. |
| 05:52.26 | cosmos | ugg |
| 05:55.33 | SC-phone | I still can't get there, but its cuz my internet is down |
| 05:55.40 | cosmos | dsl? |
| 05:57.09 | SC-phone | cable |
| 05:58.11 | cosmos | i tried cable modem in 1998 it was flakey :) |
| 05:58.25 | SC-phone | hehe |
| 05:58.44 | cosmos | i also need to have a static ip at home |
| 06:07.03 | SC-phone | gnight all |
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| 08:51.08 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all |
| 08:51.28 | LePoulpe303 | is there a way to have timestamps in bzadmin ? |
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| 10:17.27 | Tupone | LePoulpe303: if you code it |
| 10:17.31 | LePoulpe303 | :) |
| 10:17.34 | Tupone | ~pw |
| 10:17.34 | ibot | methinks patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 10:17.55 | Tupone | the idea seems good |
| 10:18.02 | LePoulpe303 | i did not say "i want" i said "is there?" |
| 10:18.24 | LePoulpe303 | but perhaps i could have a look to program it |
| 10:18.26 | Tupone | It will be there if you code it :) |
| 10:18.50 | LePoulpe303 | i'm not good in c , and don't like this langage , but this doesn't seems too difficult to create |
| 10:19.18 | Tupone | I'm not good at c/c++ either |
| 10:19.28 | Tupone | I use ada professionally |
| 10:19.55 | LePoulpe303 | i use vb.net professionally |
| 10:20.18 | LePoulpe303 | never seen ada even during my studies |
| 10:20.25 | LePoulpe303 | but it has good reputation |
| 10:21.20 | Tupone | when you're going to handle million lines of code, a low number of languages are good at managing it |
| 10:22.05 | LePoulpe303 | right |
| 10:27.38 | LePoulpe303 | BZAdminClient::OutputMessage hum seems to be that |
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| 10:38.06 | _Manu_ | Tupone, 1.0e6 lines in your main procedure: Ada.Text_IO.Put_Line("Hola Tupone !"); -- ;-P |
| 10:39.05 | Birdie | he takes much holidays |
| 10:39.07 | Birdie | sorry...she |
| 10:39.44 | ruskie | [12:28:14] +<RichiH> the software patents in the eu are rejected with 648 votes by the eu parliament |
| 10:41.12 | _Manu_ | sure? o_O |
| 10:41.25 | ruskie | yup |
| 10:41.30 | ruskie | it was on the stream now |
| 10:41.38 | _Manu_ | oh cool |
| 10:41.40 | ruskie | but they bassicaly rejected the whole unified system |
| 10:41.47 | ruskie | so it's not yet over |
| 10:42.00 | ruskie | in a few years it'll be a redo... |
| 10:42.06 | _Manu_ | :/ |
| 10:42.19 | ruskie | but by then I hope there will be something better |
| 10:42.28 | ruskie | I would have preffer the directive with the ammendments |
| 10:42.39 | ruskie | but no such luck |
| 10:44.07 | _Manu_ | well, at last we won more time |
| 10:44.32 | ruskie | yup |
| 10:45.47 | Tupone | ruskie: where is that info ? |
| 10:46.22 | ruskie | Tupone, it was in the live feed from the eu parliament... the ppl watching it have reported it... |
| 10:46.35 | ruskie | no "official" news story yet... |
| 10:46.43 | ruskie | will prolly be later today |
| 10:48.16 | Tupone | hola _Manu_ \n hola _Manu_ ... |
| 10:50.38 | _Manu_ | ada can manage goo 1000000 lines as that ;) |
| 10:50.49 | _Manu_ | s/goo/good |
| 10:52.08 | Tupone | the problem is not the language, people can manage them better with ada |
| 10:52.58 | _Manu_ | yes, I know :) |
| 10:53.54 | _Manu_ | the only penalization, is you need lots of lines for doing something.. and a good analisis for the idea/program |
| 10:54.16 | _Manu_ | but Ada is really powerfull |
| 10:54.34 | _Manu_ | and also fast |
| 11:16.09 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.com/2005/07/06/eu_bins_swpat/ <-- eu sw pats no.... |
| 11:23.30 | _Manu_ | 648 votes to 14 heh |
| 11:25.09 | ruskie | 18 abst |
| 11:25.18 | ruskie | but iirc that is from the meps that were there |
| 11:25.26 | ruskie | I think there are more meps |
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| 11:31.56 | maxman | hello. i have problems running BZFlag-2.0.2 on Mac OS X 10.3.9. It says "You cannot open the application 'BZFlag-2.0.2' because it might be danaged or incomplete." I downloaded and re-installed it several times but i always get this error. Anyone familiar with that? |
| 11:33.38 | maxman | BZFlag 1.10.8 works |
| 11:36.55 | maxman | Anyone with a Mac can help me? |
| 11:57.05 | Tupone | maxman: try to come back later, there are few people with mac, but mostly from US. They are waking up now |
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| 12:17.21 | koala_ | hi all. |
| 12:19.14 | brad2901 | Hello |
| 12:19.30 | koala_ | hiya brad2901 |
| 12:19.36 | koala_ | It's quiet again. |
| 12:20.35 | brad2901 | I guess there either just waking up or still asleep :) |
| 12:20.56 | koala_ | or coding or playing bzflag |
| 12:21.03 | brad2901 | yup |
| 12:21.15 | koala_ | I"m in australia |
| 12:21.23 | koala_ | and No body plays on the servers here. :( |
| 12:21.26 | koala_ | cries. |
| 12:21.40 | koala_ | I get a horrible ping on the us servers. |
| 12:22.14 | orchid | koala_: yes there are not enough .au players in general |
| 12:22.22 | orchid | or .nz :-) |
| 12:22.28 | koala_ | We need more |
| 12:22.37 | koala_ | I get lonely by myself. |
| 12:22.41 | koala_ | :) |
| 12:22.58 | brad2901 | I think there's an australian server running |
| 12:23.07 | brad2901 | or least it was yesterday |
| 12:23.15 | brad2901 | ~bzflist |
| 12:23.21 | koala_ | There are about 4 I know of here |
| 12:23.54 | koala_ | problem is ppl play on the same servers all the time |
| 12:24.01 | brad2901 | Why not play on them with some friends? |
| 12:24.03 | koala_ | and not on the others |
| 12:24.07 | koala_ | I wish. |
| 12:24.17 | koala_ | they like CS |
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| 12:24.24 | brad2901 | oh :) |
| 12:24.43 | koala_ | ^_^ I use to be hooked on CS too. |
| 12:25.01 | brad2901 | me too, then I found bzflag |
| 12:25.12 | koala_ | Yes. |
| 12:25.47 | koala_ | nothing like tanks floating around like graceful elephants. |
| 12:25.53 | brad2901 | :D |
| 12:25.58 | koala_ | Gotta smile. |
| 12:28.18 | koala_ | I have only just got a high speed connection, I was soo looking forward to playing bzflag, but a ping of 468 is somewhat unplesant. My 56k modem does better :) |
| 12:29.20 | koala_ | It down loads great, but bzflag just doesn't seem to like it. |
| 12:41.38 | maxman | Thanks, Tupone! I'll wait. |
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| 12:54.39 | gn00bie_1 | my only friend, the end |
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| 13:03.04 | ibunny | menomeno |
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| 14:03.42 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak learner purple_cow: how would i revert a commit? |
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| 14:31.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: revert ugly things |
| 14:41.46 | Tupone | Pimpinella: you cannot really revert a commit. But, if the last version is like 2.24 of file play.cxx you could do cvs update -j -r2.24 -r2.23 play.cxx and then a cvs commit |
| 14:43.54 | _Manu_ | Tupone, he is just doing it ;) |
| 14:44.58 | Tupone | I propose no more private discussion on technical things, unless there is too much spamming |
| 14:45.14 | Tupone | so people knows what is going on |
| 14:45.14 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 14:46.26 | _Manu_ | Tupone, I agree.. better technicall things and usuall chit-chat ;) |
| 14:46.34 | _Manu_ | s/and/than |
| 14:46.51 | Tupone | chit-chat can be made private :) |
| 14:47.16 | _Manu_ | yes... but now is the reverse :) |
| 14:52.33 | brlcad | you can actually revert a commit, but one should _never_ _never_ do it |
| 14:52.48 | brlcad | better to "revert via recommit" |
| 14:52.51 | _Manu_ | brlcad, heh |
| 14:53.22 | brlcad | the admin commands let you do some very dangerous/stupid things to the cvs repository |
| 14:54.03 | _Manu_ | like erase all... kk |
| 14:54.30 | blast007 | hmm, anon cvs is down? |
| 14:56.21 | blast007 | getting an "Internal Server Error" from the web based viewer, and it keeps asking for a password from TortoiseCVS |
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| 14:59.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: this fixes server crashes after countdown caused by half joined players too |
| 15:00.35 | bz6775 | very intresting |
| 15:00.56 | bz6775 | is this a server push ? |
| 15:01.05 | Pimpinella | ? |
| 15:01.08 | ruskie | lol |
| 15:01.12 | blast007 | the CGI:IRC? Not that I know of |
| 15:01.29 | bz6775 | it should be |
| 15:01.34 | blast007 | I think it just maintains a connection to the server, and pulls down updates as they come |
| 15:01.47 | Pimpinella | oh, it just keeps the connection up |
| 15:01.51 | bz6775 | that is server push |
| 15:01.56 | blast007 | no |
| 15:02.14 | blast007 | server push is where the _server_ initiates the connection |
| 15:02.22 | blast007 | the client here is what initiates the connection |
| 15:02.43 | Pimpinella | look at that symbol on your browsers upper right corner...it's still loading |
| 15:03.12 | ruskie | lol |
| 15:03.21 | Pimpinella | now it has stopped... |
| 15:03.26 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:05.00 | blast007 | "Internet Explorer does NOT natively support Server Push" |
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| 15:22.17 | Grumbler | pull! |
| 15:26.51 | maxman | Hallo. I'm having problems running BZFlags 2.0.2 on a Mac with OS X 10.3.9. Can someone help? Any Mac users here? |
| 15:27.28 | jpa- | what problems? (i'm not mac user though) |
| 15:28.21 | maxman | jpa-: OS X says that I cannot run BZFlag-2.0.2 beacuse the software might be damaged or incpmplete. |
| 15:28.48 | maxman | i downloaded and re-installed it several times but it didn't help |
| 15:28.49 | jpa- | hrm.. did you build by yourself or use premade packages? |
| 15:29.07 | maxman | i use the premade stable packages |
| 15:29.12 | brlcad | maxman: is that an error from mounting the dmg or running the program? |
| 15:29.32 | brlcad | and have you dragged it off the disk to /Applications |
| 15:29.34 | maxman | brlcad: running the program |
| 15:29.46 | maxman | brlcad: yes |
| 15:30.18 | brlcad | ever used Terminal? |
| 15:30.36 | maxman | brlcad: yes, of course :) |
| 15:30.40 | brlcad | open Terminal and try running: |
| 15:31.05 | brlcad | /Applications/BZFlag-2.0.2.app/Contents/MacOS/BZFlag |
| 15:33.47 | maxman | hmm.. funny |
| 15:33.58 | brlcad | what does it do/say? |
| 15:34.39 | maxman | brlcad: when I ls I get bzadmin, bzflag, bzfs |
| 15:35.28 | maxman | but when i try to run bzflag, it says that the command was not found |
| 15:35.46 | maxman | do I have to ./ or something? |
| 15:36.07 | brlcad | you were supposed to run that as a command |
| 15:36.14 | brlcad | not cd to it |
| 15:38.23 | jpa- | brlcad: umm.. isn't ..../BZFlag directory? |
| 15:38.44 | jpa- | or is the binary name capitalized in mac os version? |
| 15:53.27 | maxman | brlcad: aha, ok |
| 15:54.02 | maxman | brlcad: i thought i'd cd to ../Contents/MacOS first and then exec. BZFlag |
| 15:55.45 | maxman | brlcad: No such file or directory |
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| 16:59.16 | cosmos | now they are threatining because i dont censor swears heh |
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| 17:00.20 | Aribeth | there is no pleasing anyone |
| 17:00.28 | JeffM2501 | what do they threaten? |
| 17:01.26 | cosmos | they were taking it upon themselves to ban players for "offensive" callsigns |
| 17:01.31 | bryjen | and do they swear in doing it? |
| 17:01.41 | cosmos | i vetoed and they are railing on about how i am corrupting the children |
| 17:01.41 | Grumbler | just imagine the reaction if it was a 1-shot server with no jumping...... |
| 17:03.13 | cosmos | God is going to get me... heh |
| 17:03.21 | brlcad | maxman: you could cd, just need to run ./bzflag instead |
| 17:03.31 | bryjen | he gets us all in the end |
| 17:03.32 | Grumbler | have to admit, that rabbit hunt last night was the first time in quite awhile I actually wished you could have more than one rabbit |
| 17:03.41 | brlcad | maxman: sounds like either I typo'd or you did if it says command not found |
| 17:03.45 | cosmos | double rabbits...interesting |
| 17:04.23 | brlcad | cosmos: how dare they threaten -- damn bastards |
| 17:04.29 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I built a .app last night and posted it, dono if I did it right :) |
| 17:04.39 | brlcad | 2.0.2? |
| 17:05.21 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.3 |
| 17:05.25 | JeffM2501 | cvs as of last night |
| 17:05.59 | JeffM2501 | and dtr still hasnt' fixed the shot ending segement for when shots exit the world |
| 17:06.26 | JeffM2501 | if you are going to jum |
| 17:06.26 | JeffM2501 | p |
| 17:06.30 | brlcad | 2.0.3 .. but was the binary named that too or did you reuse a 2.0.2 binary? |
| 17:06.30 | JeffM2501 | then jump far |
| 17:06.36 | brlcad | er, .app |
| 17:06.44 | cosmos | brlcad: they are going to take it up with the bzflag police |
| 17:06.54 | cosmos | apparently force me into submission! |
| 17:07.01 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I dono, I just build with xcode and it seemed to make a .app |
| 17:07.04 | JeffM2501 | and I used it |
| 17:07.17 | DTRemenak | whee, lots of changes in the last week |
| 17:07.17 | JeffM2501 | hence my statement that I did not know if I did it correctly |
| 17:07.18 | brlcad | heh, okay |
| 17:07.29 | JeffM2501 | it used the new icon I made |
| 17:07.37 | JeffM2501 | so I asumed it had built it just now |
| 17:07.37 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 17:08.31 | brlcad | yeah, that should have been okay iirc -- I don't remember exactly what state I left the xcode project in, but it should be close to correct if not correct |
| 17:08.39 | JeffM2501 | well I shoudl say |
| 17:08.44 | JeffM2501 | I built using command line |
| 17:08.46 | brlcad | sdl woulda been the only issue |
| 17:09.09 | JeffM2501 | then did a build using the xcode and it just used the bins from the CLI make it seemed |
| 17:09.16 | brlcad | yeah, that'll work |
| 17:09.22 | brlcad | xcode actually just ends up doing that too |
| 17:09.27 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:09.31 | JeffM2501 | that's what I figured |
| 17:09.35 | brlcad | though presumes you ran autogen.sh beforehand |
| 17:09.39 | JeffM2501 | "running 1 of 2 custom build scripts" |
| 17:09.40 | brlcad | (i.e. a source tarball) |
| 17:10.22 | brlcad | i don't remember how it determines the app's name/version though |
| 17:10.35 | brlcad | how did you link sdl? |
| 17:10.50 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 17:10.51 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:10.52 | brlcad | if it's not the sdl framework, it wont work |
| 17:11.15 | brlcad | which could explain maxman's error |
| 17:11.18 | Pimpinella | ~seen trepan |
| 17:11.18 | ibot | trepan is currently on #bzflag (1d 11h 43m 39s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 14h 11m 29s |
| 17:14.03 | brlcad | Aribeth: I'm pleased |
| 17:18.00 | Aribeth | hi brlcad |
| 17:18.42 | Aribeth | lol |
| 17:19.47 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, the mac wheenies who can't upgrade are telling me it's using an X11 lib |
| 17:23.01 | Aribeth | brlcad, i was refering to there is no way a server owner can pleas players. they will always complain about something. |
| 17:24.50 | bryjen | s/out/out of/ |
| 17:25.27 | brlcad | Aribeth: I know, just tounge-cheeking |
| 17:26.10 | Aribeth | :) |
| 17:28.10 | Pimpinella | if i configure with --enable-debug g++ should use -pg -O0 no? |
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| 17:35.02 | brlcad | Pimpinella: depends who you ask ;) |
| 17:35.23 | Pimpinella | ? |
| 17:35.50 | brlcad | intrinsically, enabling debug means to add -g to the compile line |
| 17:36.06 | brlcad | -pg would be profiling, -O0 would be disabling optmizations |
| 17:36.40 | brlcad | but bz's flip-flopped from enable/disable debug meaning a variety/mix of those combinations to people's personal preference |
| 17:38.32 | brlcad | while it's sometimes more useful to disable optimizations when debugging, I would argue that they are rather separate options |
| 17:39.22 | Pimpinella | i just looked into configure and found --enable-debug should turn these two on |
| 17:39.43 | brlcad | s/should/does/ and I'll agree ;) |
| 17:40.02 | brlcad | like I said, it's flip-flopped from time to time |
| 17:40.08 | Pimpinella | doesn't do here though |
| 17:40.33 | brlcad | probably a platform/host type check |
| 17:40.44 | Pimpinella | maybe |
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| 18:04.46 | Tupone | why ? |
| 18:05.07 | DTRemenak | cvs logs appear to contradict each other :S |
| 18:05.29 | DTRemenak | w.r.t. /me |
| 18:07.17 | maxman__ | brlcad: sorry, i was busy at the office. it works when i execute it in the Terminal. |
| 18:08.06 | maxman__ | brlcad: (if you on't remember me, i was having problems launching BZFlag on the mac) |
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| 18:09.25 | maxman | brlcad: could thete be something wrong in the .app dir? |
| 18:09.41 | maxman | s/thete/there/ |
| 18:14.29 | JeffM2501 | what happens when you run it form the app? |
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| 18:16.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx commands.cxx): put /me back the way it seems it was originally supposed to be...as a real server command that actually uses its associated permission |
| 18:18.59 | DTRemenak | ah, I get it now |
| 18:19.00 | DTRemenak | oops |
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| 18:23.18 | noyb | anyone play on hepcat.org rabbit hunt last night? |
| 18:24.29 | spldart | I did |
| 18:24.43 | spldart | Was fun but to many accidental TKs |
| 18:24.43 | noyb | you like that map better than overlord? |
| 18:24.51 | spldart | Not sure.. |
| 18:25.03 | spldart | It was a good map but overload is a favorite |
| 18:25.11 | noyb | agreed, too many tanks there, for the size of the map. |
| 18:25.22 | noyb | needs to spread out a bit. |
| 18:25.51 | spldart | If it stays a rabbit hunt though it will continue to have to many hunters and get crowded methinks |
| 18:26.14 | noyb | I was TK'd a *lot* because of that |
| 18:26.46 | spldart | I probably got TKd 16 times in total between two 45 minute sessions |
| 18:27.07 | noyb | also... it would be nice to have a server option to kick if stealing flags from your own team... |
| 18:27.15 | noyb | with TH |
| 18:27.20 | noyb | of course... |
| 18:27.46 | spldart | I haven't developed an opinion on that yet.. But did noticed it alot too on Hepcat last night |
| 18:27.59 | noyb | nothing more bothersome than a TH right before you kill the rabbit with SW |
| 18:28.41 | noyb | then you get shot because you land right in front of him... |
| 18:29.04 | spldart | SW and GM were both big TK accidents waiting to happen |
| 18:29.17 | spldart | cuz there would always be a crowd of hunters right there with the rabbit tank |
| 18:29.39 | spldart | But stealth flag rabbit made for a good hunt though |
| 18:29.59 | noyb | yeah, but I pulled it off... it takes patience. not just "manual trigger happy" |
| 18:30.45 | spldart | Is hepcat still running the server with the rabbit map? |
| 18:30.58 | noyb | dunno. at work now. |
| 18:31.03 | spldart | me too ;) |
| 18:31.13 | noyb | bzfquery... |
| 18:31.15 | noyb | ? |
| 18:31.25 | spldart | once in a while I can get away with it but not today... to busy |
| 18:32.56 | noyb | ok... I think I got that off my chest.... thanks for playing "let's all listen to noyb moan about stupid stuff..." |
| 18:33.50 | spldart | hehe.. |
| 18:33.53 | spldart | still rabbit btw |
| 18:34.40 | noyb | oh. that's ok. It needs a change sometimes. I used to play Bessler's world till sick of it. |
| 18:35.25 | noyb | spldart: I'm 'blah' by the way. |
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| 18:38.02 | spldart | blah? |
| 18:38.04 | spldart | username? |
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| 18:40.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ListServerConnection.cxx: Do url-encoded post (not multipart) |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx commands.cxx): |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: oops, can't do that (breaks player-player /me). move /me back to where it was a few minutes ago. |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: make /me use its associated permission (ACTIONMESSAGE) |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: don't block any other commands beginning with me (e.g. if a plugin registers /meditate let it have it) |
| 18:42.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: don't crash with an empty /me |
| 18:42.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: clean up some logic |
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| 19:07.46 | DTRemenak | I was gonna fix some stuff and couldn't find it where I remembered it |
| 19:07.55 | DTRemenak | so I found it, and put it back where I remembered it |
| 19:08.02 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:08.03 | DTRemenak | then I figured out why it had been moved, so I put it back |
| 19:08.31 | DTRemenak | and then I fixed the stuff |
| 19:09.01 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:10.15 | Tupone | DTRemenak: if you wanna change "local" commands, I have redone those. See LocalCommand.* & CommandsImplementation.* |
| 19:10.45 | DTRemenak | local commands being what exactly? ;) |
| 19:11.44 | Tupone | SILENCE UNSILENCE CLIENTQUERY ... commands that have some interpretation on the client side |
| 19:12.09 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 19:12.23 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 19:12.27 | DTRemenak | they needed redoing |
| 19:12.42 | DTRemenak | suppose we should kill CLIENTQUERY sometime |
| 19:13.03 | DTRemenak | for 2.1 I guess :) |
| 19:13.44 | Tupone | We could enhance the processing of LocalCommand to do autocompletation automatically |
| 19:14.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx ShotPathSegment.h): no teleporter/oo effect on bullets which die at the boundary wall |
| 19:14.33 | DTRemenak | brlcad: CLIENTQUERY is a redirect to /clientquery |
| 19:14.40 | brlcad | yep |
| 19:14.41 | DTRemenak | people should be using the /command by now |
| 19:15.15 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, huzzzah |
| 19:15.19 | Tupone | I suggest implementing everythings with LocalCommands and adding the completation features |
| 19:15.19 | Grumbler | yeah, i doubt most users even know it exists.....include me in that category |
| 19:15.19 | brlcad | and they would have figured that out how? |
| 19:15.33 | DTRemenak | brlcad: manpages :) |
| 19:15.54 | brlcad | it should maybe be deprecated for a major release to remove it, have it spew a message |
| 19:16.21 | bryjen | client command started out being ALLCAPS, now we have /foo ones too? |
| 19:16.25 | brlcad | could just allow uppercase versions of all commands too |
| 19:16.45 | brlcad | no reason to be strict on one versus the other |
| 19:17.06 | bryjen | or shift them all to slash-style for consistency |
| 19:18.44 | bryjen | DTRemenak: shots still die at (and above) the wall? |
| 19:18.51 | DTRemenak | bryjen: yup |
| 19:21.16 | Tupone | I was used to the red icon tank :( |
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| 19:22.10 | brlcad | bryjen: supporting either/both is still consistent ;) |
| 19:22.33 | Tupone | I have changed the CLIENTQUERY to send a deprecated message, use /clientquery . Do we adopt or not ? |
| 19:22.45 | DTRemenak | heh, I changed also :) |
| 19:22.53 | Tupone | not such a waste of time, Easy to do so no problem on cancelling |
| 19:22.55 | brlcad | supporting both is less surprising/confusing for existing users, supporting just slash-styled is simplified code maintenance |
| 19:22.58 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: no need for any of your modems - qwest is overnighting a replacement |
| 19:23.52 | Tupone | brlcad: not simplification, is just a bunch of code (10 lines appx) not connected to anything |
| 19:23.57 | DTRemenak | ooh train. ooh l.a. :) |
| 19:24.11 | purple_cow | DTRemenak: LA is crappy |
| 19:24.37 | DTRemenak | purple_cow: that's the truth, but I'm here, and brlcad coming to LA means he's coming near here |
| 19:24.47 | DTRemenak | and that's ooh |
| 19:25.28 | brlcad | Tupone: well it's simplified in that the unconnected code goes away ;) ideally it should be supported for all/none commands for consistency |
| 19:26.25 | Tupone | ok , I remove my changes, DTRemenak has a backup of my |
| 19:26.42 | DTRemenak | heh, I already removed mine 'cause I figured you had one |
| 19:26.48 | Tupone | lol |
| 19:26.55 | brlcad | ~WHALESLAP DTRemenak |
| 19:26.55 | ibot | ACTION slaps DTRemenak upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:27.38 | DTRemenak | imho anything not beginning with / should get sent as a message |
| 19:27.57 | DTRemenak | to me that seems most consistent |
| 19:30.28 | Grumbler | sounds about right |
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| 19:31.16 | brlcad | normally yeah, but not historically consistent (hence deprecation would be good/needed) |
| 19:31.38 | Grumbler | well, wings was added....to heck with history |
| 19:31.49 | Grumbler | :) |
| 19:32.04 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I'm not arguing against a slow process, just against keeping the cruft around forever :) |
| 19:32.35 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: adding flags based on cheats is about as traditional as you can get ;) |
| 19:33.46 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I'd also like to see some of our myriad server options deprecated in favor of -set |
| 19:34.13 | brlcad | DTRemenak: somehow that doesn't surprise me ;) |
| 19:34.29 | Grumbler | heh, a new gaming philosophy, instead of building to prevent cheats, you make them features |
| 19:34.36 | brlcad | cept set is a lil fugly |
| 19:35.18 | DTRemenak | brlcad: got a suggestion then? :) |
| 19:35.26 | Grumbler | brlcad< i think you would have to identify which ones first |
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| 19:36.54 | bryjen | hmm, I don't see any visual effect when shooting into a teleporter.... |
| 19:37.24 | DTRemenak | bryjen: it faces you, so unless you move you can't see it |
| 19:37.31 | bryjen | not sure it was there before though. the thing over the wall was definately there, and is gone now |
| 19:37.45 | DTRemenak | try jumping and firing into a teleporter, for instance |
| 19:37.51 | bryjen | ok |
| 19:37.55 | brlcad | set makes sense for world environment variables, they're all basically one class of options. having short commands that sets multiple variables would still be useful, but options like -j could go away |
| 19:38.49 | DTRemenak | -j is a GameStyle setting not BZDB :) |
| 19:39.11 | brlcad | sure, i didn't mean bzdb |
| 19:39.33 | DTRemenak | so by "go away" what did you mean? |
| 19:39.35 | brlcad | i mean conceptually, those are options that affect the world environment |
| 19:39.43 | brlcad | regardless of how it was implemented |
| 19:40.15 | DTRemenak | I think there's a difference for stuff that's dynamic vs static |
| 19:40.33 | brlcad | though most of what's static could be made dynamic too |
| 19:40.39 | DTRemenak | true enough |
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| 19:43.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: remove the #ifdef debug requirement for /localset |
| 19:43.35 | DTRemenak | but since you have...how's it going? :) |
| 19:43.50 | brlcad | world/environment settings, play "rules" settings, server operation settings |
| 19:44.37 | brlcad | heh :) |
| 19:45.09 | DTRemenak | brlcad: branch! :) |
| 19:45.43 | DTRemenak | there are spare hands and brains lying around in this channel all the time :) |
| 19:46.10 | DTRemenak | some of them might be a tad defective though, gotta watch out ;) |
| 19:46.25 | spldart | Yeah but some are more brainy than others :( |
| 19:47.11 | brlcad | the todo list only grows |
| 19:47.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:47.32 | DTRemenak | that's what they're supposed to do right? :) |
| 19:47.42 | DTRemenak | what kind of code/work do you need done? |
| 19:47.57 | brlcad | yeah, cept the todone doesn't grow nearly as fast :) |
| 19:48.02 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 19:48.40 | Ice_Wewe | hey all |
| 19:49.07 | brlcad | DTRemenak, here's some stuff http://ftp.brlcad.org/rfp/ |
| 19:49.08 | Ice_Wewe | some rabbit hunters were wondering if you could make the color of hunters on radar orange, to stop the impression that hunters are Rogue |
| 19:50.32 | brlcad | that doesn't even include any of the 'hard' or even slightly complicated stuff stuff |
| 19:50.35 | Aribeth | brlcad, how about non-students |
| 19:50.40 | DTRemenak | Ice_Wewe: actually...they are rogue ;) that's part of the problem... |
| 19:50.47 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, in 2.2 they will be made into there own team, so they will be oarnge |
| 19:50.50 | brlcad | Aribeth: sure |
| 19:51.12 | Ice_Wewe | TY |
| 19:51.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, tho we could special case radar, just like I did for visuals |
| 19:51.55 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, we could... bad hacks bad hacks bad hacks ;) |
| 19:51.56 | brlcad | though I wouldn't want someone to feel under-compensated and I'm sure I couldn't afford myself :) |
| 19:52.05 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be consistent hacks tho :) |
| 19:52.11 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:52.12 | brlcad | they're nice contained learning projects |
| 19:52.40 | Aribeth | i'll think on it. :) |
| 19:53.24 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I can see what I can do about it right now, or woudl you rather I waited? |
| 19:53.31 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: go for it |
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| 19:54.55 | KTL | why does the wreckage of a tank keeps circling around when there is lag? the client allready knows that there is an explosion, he doesn't need the server to handle it? |
| 19:56.14 | Tupone | KTL: server is not handling it,client is |
| 19:56.27 | KTL | where is it waiting for then? |
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| 19:57.36 | jpa- | KTL: it starts spinning when data server sends to client times out |
| 19:57.38 | Tupone | the circle is made locally, probably the client is not sending some messages, have to see what message |
| 19:57.52 | jpa- | and it happens sometimes for the kill-message |
| 19:57.55 | spldart | Sometimes they circle so long the flies come |
| 19:58.08 | jpa- | so you kill someone and server notices "hey, client is not reacting!" |
| 19:58.28 | jpa- | then it goes to nr and gets the grey bubble |
| 19:59.54 | jpa- | (replace server with client where appropiate :) |
| 19:59.59 | KTL | lol |
| 20:00.20 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, how do I know if it's a rabbit game? |
| 20:00.46 | DTRemenak | World::getWorld()->allowRabbit() |
| 20:01.31 | JeffM2501 | and how do I know if somone is rabbit? |
| 20:02.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not "isHunted" is it? |
| 20:02.39 | DTRemenak | don't think so |
| 20:03.02 | bryjen | rabbitIndex ? |
| 20:03.18 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:03.21 | JeffM2501 | rabbit is a real team |
| 20:03.25 | JeffM2501 | rabbit->changeTeam(RabbitTeam); |
| 20:03.51 | DTRemenak | ah, yeah |
| 20:04.22 | JeffM2501 | this will be easy then :) |
| 20:04.46 | JeffM2501 | rabbits are auto hunted |
| 20:04.55 | DTRemenak | ah, there they are |
| 20:06.57 | bryjen | ah-hah! the shot-teleport effect is when shots are coming _out_ of a teleporter only... |
| 20:07.13 | DTRemenak | huh? should be both ends |
| 20:07.32 | bryjen | i had to find two linked tele's I could see at once |
| 20:07.57 | KTL | (what is the effect?) |
| 20:08.03 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it actualy probably only does it at the start of shots that are broken at a TP |
| 20:08.15 | JeffM2501 | I'll look at it in a bit |
| 20:08.21 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 20:08.32 | JeffM2501 | did I do a look back at the last segements end point? |
| 20:08.53 | bryjen | well, that's what I'm seeing. it makes a little ring in the teleporter plane, almost like a hole or ripple |
| 20:09.00 | JeffM2501 | red? |
| 20:09.08 | JeffM2501 | RED!!!!?!?! |
| 20:09.13 | spldart | I assume the radar rabbit changes will be a client only mod |
| 20:09.24 | JeffM2501 | spldart, yeah I'm doing it now |
| 20:09.32 | spldart | sounds cool |
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| 20:15.26 | noyb | spldart: stepped away for a while... yes, 'blah' is the bzflag name. :-) |
| 20:15.37 | JeffM2501 | you want the scoreboard to be orange too? |
| 20:16.03 | spldart | Kew... look forward to seeing yah in a map 8-) |
| 20:16.09 | JeffM2501 | yes or no? |
| 20:16.09 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yup |
| 20:16.36 | DTRemenak | that will make the transition to a true team color much more non-user-visible |
| 20:16.52 | noyb | spldart: are you mnemonic? |
| 20:16.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:17.12 | JeffM2501 | I'm basicly just fixing all places that call getRadarColor |
| 20:17.16 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not doing bases |
| 20:17.29 | spldart | uh... I'm spldart here, bzbb and of course tanking... |
| 20:17.37 | spldart | But I've used nmemonic sometimes.. |
| 20:17.39 | spldart | why? |
| 20:18.03 | noyb | just curious. I've seen mnemonic on maps |
| 20:18.04 | spldart | Don't think I've ever used nmemonic on anything BZ though |
| 20:18.29 | spldart | IC... Wasn't me... I'd better check my kids though 8-0 |
| 20:18.40 | spldart | lol |
| 20:19.09 | noyb | let me guess.... you can't remember... ;-) |
| 20:19.14 | spldart | One goes by rabidbunny on spiralzone though :) |
| 20:19.42 | noyb | haven't played there in a while. too laggy for me there. |
| 20:19.57 | spldart | No really... I've always been spldart whenever I'm gaming BZ. I've used nmemonic when i"m stirring up trouble in other places though. Never on BZ |
| 20:20.50 | spldart | I started by playing rogue on spiral back in Feb so as to learn and not be able to TK by accident |
| 20:20.53 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you know what would be really cool, a game options class, that just had all the game options, so I woudl have to to slinging world all over the place |
| 20:20.58 | spldart | then later I really got into flag play |
| 20:21.34 | spldart | SNAP! |
| 20:21.39 | spldart | Not enough elacticity |
| 20:21.40 | spldart | :( |
| 20:21.45 | spldart | jk |
| 20:22.01 | spldart | lol |
| 20:22.13 | JeffM2501 | just somethign that had all the options for the current game |
| 20:22.19 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: not quite sure what you mean. isn't there already one server side? |
| 20:22.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, client side |
| 20:22.40 | spldart | ick |
| 20:22.41 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: move it to game :) |
| 20:22.59 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak,yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 20:23.02 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 20:23.31 | blast007 | list server is acting sluggish again |
| 20:24.54 | JeffM2501 | wow crash on list server |
| 20:25.00 | JeffM2501 | "unexpected multithread lock" |
| 20:25.08 | DTRemenak | wheeee |
| 20:26.02 | spldart | Nothing good can come from this. |
| 20:26.06 | JeffM2501 | dosn't even hit a breakpoint |
| 20:26.12 | JeffM2501 | very odd |
| 20:28.35 | bryjen | was the cause of the poor bzfls behavior ever pinned down, or did it just go away? |
| 20:29.50 | JeffM2501 | I had seen some scripts running in tims user |
| 20:29.53 | JeffM2501 | using some CPU |
| 20:29.55 | JeffM2501 | then they stoped |
| 20:30.13 | DTRemenak | heh, "there are vast majorities of both" |
| 20:32.33 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:32.35 | JeffM2501 | where is that from? |
| 20:32.43 | DTRemenak | BRL-CAD's HACKING file |
| 20:33.06 | bryjen | i noticed the dns lookups for bzflag.secretplace.us acting up, as in failing to reach the nameservers for that domain. their addresses are right next to the address for the bzflag server. my.bzflag.org worked fine though. |
| 20:33.58 | bryjen | overlapping majorities? non-exclusive conditions? |
| 20:34.14 | DTRemenak | no, pretty exclusive |
| 20:34.59 | DTRemenak | refers to "Prefer mixed-case names over underscore-separated ones." |
| 20:35.59 | JeffM2501 | well.. no way to test my changes it seems |
| 20:36.08 | JeffM2501 | wonder if my lib curl is old |
| 20:36.09 | DTRemenak | why not? |
| 20:36.25 | JeffM2501 | crash on any acess to yon list server |
| 20:36.28 | bryjen | ah. "vast majorities" ~ major vastness? ;) |
| 20:36.30 | DTRemenak | fun |
| 20:36.32 | JeffM2501 | like down inside curl |
| 20:36.49 | JeffM2501 | gonna try it on the laptop |
| 20:36.51 | JeffM2501 | it has current curl |
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| 20:38.16 | WonderMop | brad2901, is evil |
| 20:38.22 | brad2901 | ? |
| 20:38.30 | brad2901 | Do I know you? |
| 20:39.01 | blast007 | hrm...I can access my.bzflag.org a lot faster on port 81 |
| 20:39.44 | WonderMop | :) |
| 20:39.55 | WonderMop | I've seen you play -- you're good :) Hence, evil. |
| 20:39.59 | WonderMop | :P |
| 20:40.39 | brad2901 | :) |
| 20:41.11 | Aribeth | Megaman is worse than evil |
| 20:41.58 | bryjen | a bit slow on both port 80 & 81 here |
| 20:42.21 | blast007 | it's really slow on 80 for me, and a little slow on 81 |
| 20:42.54 | blast007 | heh "Oh crap! The monkeys ate the list server! |
| 20:42.54 | blast007 | " |
| 20:42.56 | blast007 | er |
| 20:43.11 | WonderMop | I thought the zebras ate it last week... |
| 20:43.20 | blast007 | no, that's next week |
| 20:44.08 | WonderMop | oh |
| 20:44.12 | WonderMop | sorry... wrong schedule |
| 20:46.21 | blast007 | :) |
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| 20:47.20 | WonderMop | wait.. who coded the monkeys? |
| 20:47.39 | DTRemenak | the monkeys coded you! |
| 20:47.49 | Aribeth | lol |
| 20:48.08 | WonderMop | Ahh... I see |
| 20:48.15 | WonderMop | the monkeys do ASM... I see |
| 20:48.23 | Aribeth | no, they coded Megaman |
| 20:48.26 | Aribeth | :P |
| 20:48.42 | WonderMop | lol |
| 20:49.00 | WonderMop | trepan, take the monkeys out of the code! |
| 20:49.16 | Aribeth | they are the code |
| 20:49.25 | DTRemenak | they wrote the code |
| 20:49.50 | spldart | And Shakespear |
| 20:50.00 | Aribeth | i swear Megaman could see ST last night |
| 20:50.41 | brad2901 | global is working fine now, yay |
| 20:50.47 | brad2901 | global logins.. |
| 20:52.05 | *** join/#bzflag RatOmeter (~chatzilla@139.78.95.188) |
| 20:52.25 | brlcad | a finite number of monkies created bz's code |
| 20:52.33 | brlcad | DTRemenak: hacking file hmm? |
| 20:52.41 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24.196.92.143) |
| 20:52.44 | DTRemenak | mhm |
| 20:52.56 | DTRemenak | actually there are a bunch of little nitpicky errors in your documentation |
| 20:53.12 | brlcad | want commit access? :) |
| 20:53.14 | DTRemenak | like "it's" being used as a possessive |
| 20:53.15 | RatOmeter | ~bzfquery okstatecams.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 20:53.19 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:53.29 | DTRemenak | I was thinking about submitting a patch, but that would work too ;) |
| 20:55.19 | brlcad | added |
| 20:55.33 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 20:55.36 | RatOmeter | heh |
| 20:55.41 | DTRemenak | I've only barely poked the sources :) |
| 20:55.43 | Aribeth | heh |
| 20:56.08 | WonderMop | They are nice to read... pretty clean sources |
| 20:56.26 | RatOmeter | I was thinking similarly re: docs, except in regards to their dearth |
| 20:56.32 | brlcad | hacking file is for devs so it's not been scrutinized more than a couple times |
| 20:56.56 | brlcad | never through editorial review like the official manuals |
| 20:56.56 | RatOmeter | then again, I've not delved very deep, so should STF |
| 20:57.34 | WonderMop | Do we have doxygen for the sources? |
| 20:57.36 | DTRemenak | I'm not exactly "scrutinizing" them, just reading them and being a nitpicker |
| 20:57.51 | brlcad | pick away |
| 20:57.54 | brlcad | ~nit |
| 20:57.59 | DTRemenak | ~dict nit |
| 20:58.13 | DTRemenak | right... |
| 20:58.28 | WonderMop | we have a dict? |
| 20:58.38 | blast007 | ~dict 4 nit |
| 20:59.38 | brlcad | ~dict 1 nit |
| 20:59.39 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:00.02 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's better :) |
| 21:00.03 | RatOmeter | Question, is there a more appropriate IRC channel in which to beg assistance testing my bz server? |
| 21:00.24 | brlcad | RatOmeter: nope, you're at the right place |
| 21:00.58 | DTRemenak | RatOmeter: here and #bzleague is about all there is. players tend to hang out there and devs and server ops here, but there's no strict delineation |
| 21:01.48 | RatOmeter | OK, the IRC bot seems to have OK'd it (didn't seem to complain anyway). The server console shows others connecting and disconnecting but I don't see any evidence they've successfully joined from within the game |
| 21:02.05 | RatOmeter | okstatecams.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 21:02.56 | bryjen | the list server and a few statistics-collector thingies will connect and disconnect without showing up as players |
| 21:03.04 | brlcad | ~bzfquery okstatecams.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 21:03.34 | bryjen | and ibot, everytime someone does that ;) |
| 21:03.57 | RatOmeter | Yeah, guessed that last one, didn't think about the list server |
| 21:04.30 | blast007 | ~bzfquery okstatecams.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 21:04.37 | blast007 | works for me |
| 21:04.59 | RatOmeter | Yah. saw it. Thanks |
| 21:07.01 | spldart | ~weather ksgr |
| 21:07.19 | RatOmeter | ~weather kswo |
| 21:07.24 | spldart | gonna be a hot ride home |
| 21:07.29 | spldart | I've been there |
| 21:08.16 | spldart | near tulsa methinks? |
| 21:08.16 | amathis | make up your fucking mind |
| 21:08.16 | spldart | Kicker's homebase |
| 21:08.16 | RatOmeter | bout 70 miles from OKC and T-town |
| 21:08.16 | RatOmeter | yep |
| 21:08.16 | bryjen | amathis: ?! |
| 21:09.59 | brlcad | amathis: ... |
| 21:09.59 | spldart | I used to compete car stereo on a national level... been all over SD, NE, KS, OH, MO, OK, TX and more |
| 21:09.59 | jpa- | amathis: who are you talking to? |
| 21:09.59 | RatOmeter | I like Kicker and all, but I like my hearing too |
| 21:10.38 | spldart | I did walled up boom cars from '86 to '02... I still hear ok..... ;) |
| 21:11.04 | spldart | BTW... My best was 163.8 db at the windshield... for as long as it lasted :) |
| 21:11.23 | RatOmeter | heh, that's some decibels, me lad |
| 21:11.32 | spldart | Aye it is. |
| 21:11.58 | spldart | Amathis ok? |
| 21:12.30 | RatOmeter | perhaps amathis was typing in the wrong channel... |
| 21:12.49 | spldart | Probably... I've done that once |
| 21:13.07 | RatOmeter | oh, I've *never* done *that* |
| 21:14.10 | WonderMop | How do you build a ratometer? |
| 21:14.13 | spldart | My wife was confused when I cut and pasted the wrong sentence in the wrong box... she was wondering why I was asking her a BZserver question :) |
| 21:15.12 | DTRemenak | WonderMop: ask the monkeys |
| 21:15.22 | WonderMop | ah ok |
| 21:15.22 | RatOmeter | http://www.r-a-t.com/RatOmeter.jpg |
| 21:15.31 | RatOmeter | self portrait |
| 21:16.10 | spldart | I prefer mouseOfluke's myself |
| 21:16.18 | Aribeth | heh, thats good |
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| 21:18.12 | spldart | LOL |
| 21:18.20 | spldart | They just fling poop at me :( |
| 21:18.30 | bryjen | ~fling spldart |
| 21:18.30 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at spldart |
| 21:18.37 | spldart | See~ |
| 21:18.48 | Aribeth | ~lart bryjen |
| 21:18.55 | WonderMop | Can someone translate that? |
| 21:19.04 | Aribeth | lol |
| 21:21.51 | bryjen | !lart Aribeth |
| 21:22.02 | WonderMop | wtf? |
| 21:22.06 | WonderMop | lart? |
| 21:22.21 | Aribeth | try ~lart |
| 21:22.25 | spldart | ~lart ibot |
| 21:22.31 | spldart | LOL |
| 21:22.39 | JeffM2501 | ibot dict lart |
| 21:22.53 | bryjen | hmm, TheLastSpartan kicked? |
| 21:23.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah last night |
| 21:23.30 | bryjen | ah well. |
| 21:23.40 | bryjen | ~crush Aribeth and spldart |
| 21:23.40 | ibot | ACTION crushes Aribeth and spldart with a full height scsi disk |
| 21:23.52 | spldart | Doh~ |
| 21:23.54 | Aribeth | owwie! |
| 21:24.11 | Aribeth | ~whaleslap bryjen |
| 21:24.11 | ibot | ACTION slaps bryjen upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:24.28 | bryjen | hugh and only hugh... |
| 21:24.39 | RatOmeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.53 | Aribeth | lol |
| 21:25.13 | JeffM2501 | I had to kill the server thelastspartan was on last night for bios upgrades, forgot to re run her |
| 21:25.28 | *** join/#bzflag TheLastSpartan (guu@myth.gibbscam.com) |
| 21:28.26 | RatOmeter | gimme them magnets. I want'm for wacky experiements |
| 21:28.32 | RatOmeter | http://reresource.org/Definitions/M/Magnet/Hard%20Drive%20Magnets/ |
| 21:28.43 | Aribeth | can't have them |
| 21:28.45 | Aribeth | :P |
| 21:29.42 | RatOmeter | Arrrrrr! I'll get you, my little chatty... and your little bot too! |
| 21:29.53 | Aribeth | lol |
| 21:30.05 | Aribeth | im useing them for my evil work |
| 21:30.07 | spldart | Growl snarl (about work) There is no reason for a supplier to ship a semiconductor laser with two shorting bridges in place /rant |
| 21:30.19 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 21:30.38 | ruskie | btw is something wrong with the list server? |
| 21:30.59 | ruskie | half an hour or so ago when I was playing on viper global login didn't work |
| 21:30.59 | RatOmeter | um, can you not simply pull the jumpers? |
| 21:32.15 | spldart | the point is all suppliers use one jumper if there is only one junction.. These people soldered in two in different places to protect one junction.... And it wasn't necessary. Grrr |
| 21:32.41 | spldart | Oh well... I'm just bishing |
| 21:32.54 | WonderMop | bishing? |
| 21:33.10 | RatOmeter | Oy, I'll take any excuse to bish, myself |
| 21:33.17 | spldart | lol |
| 21:33.27 | Aribeth | i see |
| 21:33.41 | wizart | ibot: what's cobol? |
| 21:33.41 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, cobol is (COmmon Business-Oriented Language) This is a programming language developed in the '60s by several computer companies and the US Department of Defense. COBOL is still used today for programming business applications and COBOL programmers are a major source of the Year 2000 headache. In fact, many of them have come out of ... |
| 21:33.55 | WonderMop | COBOL!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:33.56 | RatOmeter | bet ibot don't know SNOBOL |
| 21:34.04 | RatOmeter | ibot": what's snobol |
| 21:34.05 | blast007 | ruskie: the list server had been running slowly for some reason, so it kept timing out when getting a token |
| 21:34.16 | blast007 | seems to have gone back to normal now though |
| 21:34.45 | wizart | ibot: what's snobol? |
| 21:35.13 | RatOmeter | Admiral Grace Hopper (may she RIP) led devel on COBOL |
| 21:36.01 | wizart | ibot: snobol is the acronym for String-Oriented Symbolic Language. Snobol was invented in 1962 by Bell Labs. SNOBOL then progressed until it reached it's finally implementation in 1967 called SNOBOL4. SNOBOL4 was implemented using string macros. This realized a virtual machine so that it could be implemented on a variety of different machines. |
| 21:36.02 | ibot | okay, wizart |
| 21:36.02 | WonderMop | Ah! I have a Z80 kit... in the leather box |
| 21:36.04 | Aribeth | yes |
| 21:36.06 | wizart | ibot: what's snobol? |
| 21:36.06 | ibot | it has been said that snobol is the acronym for String-Oriented Symbolic Language. Snobol was invented in 1962 by Bell Labs. SNOBOL then progressed until it reached it's finally implementation in 1967 called SNOBOL4. SNOBOL4 was implemented using string macros. This realized a virtual machine so that it could be implemented on a variety of different machines. |
| 21:36.10 | wizart | funny ^^ |
| 21:36.24 | spldart | Been in a long time since I touched a z80 |
| 21:36.33 | Aribeth | how about B |
| 21:36.45 | Aribeth | any B programmers? |
| 21:36.46 | RatOmeter | heard of it, never seen it |
| 21:36.58 | WonderMop | R and S, never B |
| 21:37.04 | Aribeth | C was derived from it |
| 21:37.08 | WonderMop | LOL |
| 21:38.32 | WonderMop | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_programming_language |
| 21:39.57 | RatOmeter | yeah, don't think B ever really saw any light of day 'cept the flourescents at Bell Labs |
| 21:42.10 | WonderMop | good idea though |
| 21:58.03 | spldart | I'm outty 500. Time to go home cyah's |
| 21:58.08 | *** part/#bzflag spldart (~james@adsl-70-240-209-78.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 22:01.30 | Tupone | menotume, or someone who know: where I can find bzfls.php in cvs ? |
| 22:02.04 | Tupone | I found :) |
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| 22:08.21 | Tupone | TimRiker, if you hear: Now that bzfs need curl even during play, it could, sometime, wait on dns resolving for list-server, probably not all the times. Curl has a cache (don't know if need enabling), unless curl is build with c-ares support. debian seems not so, gentoo can be built with, other don't know |
| 22:09.13 | Tupone | an approach could be putting the address, instead of name, for list-server, so no DNS is involved |
| 22:10.16 | Tupone | By default, libcurl caches DNS info for 60 seconds |
| 22:14.56 | amathis | anyone here ususally run windows XP? |
| 22:15.04 | amathis | wrong window, sorry. |
| 22:15.22 | wegstar | :D |
| 22:21.43 | bryjen | the old code looked up and stored the address at start. then it used the stored value, unless there was an error connecting, then it would lookup again |
| 22:24.53 | bryjen | having a name for the default list is nice in case the numeric address changes |
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| 22:36.17 | Tupone | but having name and resolving only at start does not adapt to numeric address changing runtime. Better build curl with c-ares |
| 22:36.50 | DTRemenak | only way to gaurantee curl is built with ares is to do it ourselves |
| 22:36.52 | Tupone | We could also put the caching time near infinity |
| 22:37.57 | Tupone | yeah, we could put instruction to build it, and link with bzfs. Actually in gentoo I succeed in asking to put c-ares enabling on the package |
| 22:38.14 | Tupone | I asked to debian dev and had no answer |
| 22:40.54 | JeffM2501 | buld curl into net :) |
| 22:41.49 | Tupone | are you doing the same with ogre ? |
| 22:41.57 | purple_cow | mmmmm ogre |
| 22:42.00 | purple_cow | what about ogre? |
| 22:42.13 | Tupone | I mean, mantaining ogre in your tree ? |
| 22:42.52 | purple_cow | for screamers? no |
| 22:43.14 | purple_cow | ogre is fine as its own package, unlike things like tnl >:P |
| 22:43.18 | Tupone | :) I don't want to put curl in bzflag tree |
| 22:43.35 | JeffM2501 | you can not get consitent performance out of it |
| 22:43.41 | Tupone | I cited for analogy |
| 22:43.42 | JeffM2501 | so ether put it in the tree |
| 22:43.47 | JeffM2501 | or use something else |
| 22:44.16 | JeffM2501 | ogre provides consisent perferomance on each system |
| 22:44.42 | Tupone | curl too, if build with same option |
| 22:44.48 | JeffM2501 | we don't need specific building environment |
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| 22:45.27 | purple_cow | well, forking code into our own tree is only something that should be used as a last resort |
| 22:45.31 | JeffM2501 | it seems that with CURL it has performance issues if it is not build a certan way |
| 22:45.37 | JeffM2501 | I agree |
| 22:45.49 | JeffM2501 | but we have had a large number of problems with CURL it seems |
| 22:46.07 | JeffM2501 | are there other URL libs that work better on more platforms Tupone? |
| 22:46.16 | Tupone | curl provide way to build on all the platform with the same option, not a certain way, just use certain option |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | like maybe soemthing that dosn't crash on windows like curl does now? |
| 22:46.40 | Tupone | I have not seen other easyer and complete lib |
| 22:46.52 | Tupone | possibly more complete ... |
| 22:46.58 | Tupone | but not easier |
| 22:47.01 | JeffM2501 | I didn't say easyer or more complete, I said more stable |
| 22:47.09 | Tupone | it is stable |
| 22:47.21 | JeffM2501 | then why am I crashing |
| 22:47.29 | Tupone | you are crashing ? |
| 22:47.30 | JeffM2501 | "unexpected call to lock multithread" |
| 22:47.36 | JeffM2501 | in curl |
| 22:47.38 | menotume | did we ever figure out why listserver was slow yesterday? i missed it |
| 22:47.41 | JeffM2501 | every time I go to the list server |
| 22:48.07 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, and you yourself say that the debian version can be slow since it dosn't use ares by default |
| 22:48.19 | JeffM2501 | to me these are stability/inconsitency issues |
| 22:48.25 | Tupone | I didn't say slow, I did say blocking |
| 22:48.31 | menotume | i can make it crash :) |
| 22:48.40 | JeffM2501 | blocking == slow |
| 22:48.45 | JeffM2501 | it's even worse then slow |
| 22:49.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm not saying that curl isn't good |
| 22:49.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm just opening it up for discussion |
| 22:49.09 | menotume | didn't we block berfore ? |
| 22:49.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:49.17 | menotume | well, for list server |
| 22:49.21 | Tupone | any dns access that uses glibc, is blocking or multithread |
| 22:49.30 | JeffM2501 | and it was bad enough for us to change how curl was done and put cARES in our tree |
| 22:49.54 | JeffM2501 | curl is now used for much more |
| 22:50.00 | JeffM2501 | so blocking is even worse |
| 22:50.16 | Tupone | I'm not asking to change curl, c-ares was forked by the guy who maintain curl, just for curl |
| 22:50.37 | JeffM2501 | why is ares in our tree? |
| 22:50.38 | Tupone | c-ares is for curl |
| 22:50.40 | JeffM2501 | and not curl? |
| 22:51.15 | Tupone | I don't want any of those in our tree |
| 22:51.33 | JeffM2501 | cares is in our tree now is it not? |
| 22:51.39 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:51.45 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 22:52.40 | Tupone | The same reason why there is libz |
| 22:52.44 | menotume | whatever yesterday's problem was, it's back :( |
| 22:52.57 | menotume | sometimes slow, somtimes badtok |
| 22:53.02 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, because we are lame? |
| 22:53.12 | Tupone | yeah:) Exp me |
| 22:53.38 | Tupone | well, probably the only reason is that windows could not have |
| 22:53.47 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't hav curl ether |
| 22:54.03 | Tupone | c-ares tree is short in size |
| 22:54.07 | JeffM2501 | does bzflag itself use cares? |
| 22:54.12 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:54.16 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:54.25 | Tupone | I put only for our direct use |
| 22:54.27 | JeffM2501 | so on that reasoning, why isn't libcurl in the tree? |
| 22:55.15 | Tupone | c-ares in the tree means we need to maintain, and that is bad, unless we can do it |
| 22:55.43 | Tupone | if we put curl in the tree, we should find a guy who mantain it |
| 22:55.48 | JeffM2501 | so why not require users to get c-ares just like we require them to get curl? |
| 22:56.47 | Tupone | yeah, configure script say something like that when not finding c-ares in the system: c-ares is not in the system, try downloadin a new version and install |
| 22:57.02 | Tupone | and I provide an url for that |
| 22:58.46 | JeffM2501 | we could provide premade libs for windows |
| 22:58.48 | Tupone | so the intention is that ... Before the last change, that I did pushed by Tim, to access list-server via curl, I realize that not having curl c-ares enabled, do bzfs sometime blocking. So the warning I raised |
| 22:58.50 | JeffM2501 | and links to the sources |
| 22:59.23 | Tupone | if that is not possible I should revert |
| 22:59.23 | JeffM2501 | so the bzflag under debina will be blocking on all uses of curl by default now right? |
| 22:59.55 | Tupone | yeah, but most uses are not on the main-loop |
| 23:00.02 | Tupone | the only one is the list-server |
| 23:00.25 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.2 used it for the list server too? |
| 23:00.30 | Tupone | nope |
| 23:00.31 | menotume | Tupone: I see you were looking for bzfls .... do you need a test listserver ? |
| 23:01.05 | JeffM2501 | so when people on debian get 2.0.4, there will be a preceved 'slowdown' when accessing the list server |
| 23:01.08 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 23:01.30 | Tupone | menotume: I was looking for getting token without all the server list. They are lot of packet |
| 23:01.54 | menotume | ahhhh |
| 23:02.34 | menotume | if you need a test listserver, i can provide :) |
| 23:03.03 | Tupone | accessing list-server from bzfs is for token authentication. The dns will be resolved at startup, so client do not perceive that, and whenever cache expire |
| 23:03.19 | Tupone | they get some slowdown |
| 23:03.22 | JeffM2501 | ok so it's not bad |
| 23:03.33 | *** join/#bzflag hw- (~trillian@207.255.28.87) |
| 23:03.42 | Tupone | well, but is not correct :/ |
| 23:03.57 | JeffM2501 | well it's just what happens when we use CURL |
| 23:04.10 | JeffM2501 | because curl dosn't have a non blocking DNS by default on all OSs |
| 23:04.12 | Tupone | I'll increase DNS cache time, but better use c-ares |
| 23:04.40 | JeffM2501 | thse are just all things to think about when evaluating the usage of curl |
| 23:04.46 | Tupone | if build with --enable-ares, libcurl will be not blocking |
| 23:04.55 | JeffM2501 | well debian dosnt' build that way |
| 23:04.59 | JeffM2501 | so for them it dosn't mater |
| 23:05.15 | JeffM2501 | IIRC debian packages are one of the big linux binary distros we do right? |
| 23:05.17 | Tupone | the only way to avoid, in that case is using multithread |
| 23:05.29 | Tupone | but that is worse for us |
| 23:05.38 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, or use some other URL package that has it built in, ours or some others |
| 23:05.54 | JeffM2501 | all are valid options |
| 23:05.58 | JeffM2501 | each has difrent levels of pain |
| 23:06.11 | JeffM2501 | just telling debian users to rebuild libcurl with an option isn't much pain |
| 23:06.12 | Tupone | other url package have the same problem AFAIK |
| 23:06.34 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, that would be a criteria to meet before any swap |
| 23:06.39 | JeffM2501 | maybe curl is the best for linux |
| 23:06.53 | JeffM2501 | and bzflag's framework |
| 23:07.11 | JeffM2501 | I'd personaly like to see it somewhat abstracted and pushed into our app event loop |
| 23:07.16 | Tupone | In windows, just to know, DNS is by default asynchronous? |
| 23:07.19 | JeffM2501 | then on windows we could just use windows event services. |
| 23:07.26 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, there are difren ways |
| 23:07.32 | JeffM2501 | via sockets it is blocking |
| 23:07.39 | JeffM2501 | there are other OS services that do it |
| 23:07.43 | JeffM2501 | if needed |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM2501 | like asking IE to look it up and stuff |
| 23:08.18 | JeffM2501 | the bz code is kinda tied to the curl "way" of doing thigns now tho |
| 23:08.56 | Tupone | so you'd ask IE to go to list-server for you and get the token ? whie continuing to process packet from other player ? |
| 23:09.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah then you could get message back with the data |
| 23:09.49 | JeffM2501 | less of a libray thing, more of an inter application service deal |
| 23:10.41 | JeffM2501 | we have that nice message loop that can seend ALL kinds of events back to us, even network events |
| 23:10.44 | Tupone | and what is the difference in the approach with curl: you set things ... you start go making other business, until curl awake you with message |
| 23:11.00 | JeffM2501 | ohh in the end they all do the same thing |
| 23:11.05 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:12.41 | Tupone | I think we should do the same even when reading file :/ Now we block sometime |
| 23:13.35 | Tupone | like when re-reading ban |
| 23:14.17 | JeffM2501 | just with curl we have a dependency, using OS services we would not |
| 23:14.19 | JeffM2501 | that's all |
| 23:14.35 | JeffM2501 | and it would work more with the users proxy setup in the OS, if they had one |
| 23:14.58 | JeffM2501 | now on linux you don't have an OS service |
| 23:15.02 | JeffM2501 | and would have to use a lib |
| 23:15.05 | JeffM2501 | like curl anyway |
| 23:15.09 | JeffM2501 | dono what the mac has |
| 23:15.43 | Tupone | curl can use proxy, and when I do, I don't have to worry how I have to do it on the several OS. Other guy thought about that |
| 23:15.56 | Tupone | I just use curl option |
| 23:15.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure curl can use a proxu |
| 23:16.08 | JeffM2501 | but it has to have it's own prouxy setup |
| 23:16.21 | JeffM2501 | can curl pull proxu setup from the OS on windows? |
| 23:16.30 | JeffM2501 | I know why you used curl |
| 23:16.37 | JeffM2501 | and it's better then what we used to have :) |
| 23:17.13 | Tupone | I have not yet looked at the way proxy are managed |
| 23:17.15 | JeffM2501 | had it been just me, I would have used curl as well |
| 23:17.22 | JeffM2501 | dosn't really mater |
| 23:17.29 | JeffM2501 | since the rest of bz net dosn't do proxy |
| 23:17.47 | Tupone | menotume: can you provide me a way to get a token without a list ? |
| 23:18.11 | menotume | i think so |
| 23:18.15 | menotume | hold on |
| 23:18.29 | Tupone | hehe, not now, I'm gonna end this day soon :) |
| 23:18.52 | menotume | ya- one sec |
| 23:19.08 | Tupone | you know ... here 1.19 am |
| 23:19.16 | Tupone | I have to work tomorrow |
| 23:19.21 | Tupone | so ... nite all |
| 23:19.25 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, does tnl provide URL services? |
| 23:19.31 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@Tupone.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 23:19.32 | JeffM2501 | see ya tupy :) |
| 23:20.14 | purple_cow | URL? |
| 23:20.34 | purple_cow | you mean like HTTP? |
| 23:21.07 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzlist/?action=CHECKTOKENS&checktokens=CallSign0%40127.0.0.1%3D01234567%0D%0ACallSign1%3D89abcdef |
| 23:21.20 | menotume | ahhh, he leaves quick |
| 23:22.37 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, yea like to downlaod a file or something |
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| 23:23.17 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: no |
| 23:23.43 | JeffM2501 | suxorz |
| 23:27.08 | purple_cow | why? |
| 23:29.26 | JeffM2501 | oh I dono |
| 23:29.31 | JeffM2501 | just curious :) |
| 23:29.36 | JeffM2501 | be cool if it did all things |
| 23:31.59 | purple_cow | i think tnl is a udp-only thing with just one protocol |
| 23:32.19 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:32.21 | JeffM2501 | probably for the best |
| 23:32.37 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 23:33.03 | purple_cow | for screamers, we can just have it download textures/maps/etc using tnl, rather than dealing with http and all the crumminess associated with it |
| 23:33.30 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 23:33.38 | JeffM2501 | tho what about a list server? |
| 23:34.09 | JeffM2501 | a little tnl app good enough |
| 23:34.10 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 23:34.35 | purple_cow | tnl has some examples for list serverey stuff |
| 23:34.49 | JeffM2501 | that's right, they have a loby kinda deal don't they? |
| 23:36.31 | purple_cow | i don't think they have anything built-in for that |
| 23:36.41 | purple_cow | but they do have a "master" server example |
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| 23:54.25 | JeffM2501 | maybe that's what I saw |
| 23:55.42 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan wants off masterban, any for or against? |
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