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| 01:20.58 | hardwire | bwa ha ha |
| 01:21.01 | hardwire | 2 screens = crazy |
| 01:21.06 | hardwire | 3 screens = one happy hardwire |
| 01:21.44 | hardwire | I do believe that for my next trick.. I will be using a 27"" center screen and two 19" side screens |
| 01:21.52 | hardwire | nice FOV |
| 01:21.54 | hardwire | beautifull |
| 01:21.57 | hardwire | oh well |
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| 03:37.23 | Grumbler | morning tupone |
| 03:37.32 | Tupone | morning :) |
| 03:47.51 | Grumbler | grumble, grumble std:map flippy iterators.....only a software guy could come up with stuff like this, grumble grumble |
| 03:52.42 | purple_cow | flippy iterators? |
| 03:53.24 | Grumbler | i am not sure what the iterator value is, and how i can pull stuff out of the list using it... |
| 03:55.28 | Grumbler | i am trying to loop through the list and do stuff.......which might not be the best way to do things, but its a start for me...... |
| 03:58.14 | purple_cow | a map iterator's value is an std::pair where first is key, second is value |
| 03:59.37 | Grumbler | so iterator.first would be the key?, and iterator.second would be the value? |
| 03:59.49 | Pimpi | yep |
| 04:06.15 | Pimpi | Grumbler: though, an iterator is more like a pointer and used that way, so it woild be iterator->first |
| 04:08.40 | Grumbler | now i am just ticked at myself.....it was sitting there looking at me from the sgi site, i just wasnt getting it....thanks..... |
| 04:15.13 | Grumbler | guess i have to see if this works.....tomorrow......maybe |
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| 04:34.18 | rkr | (Actually, I don't mind being advised, but packages have so many dependencies that a functional system gets advisories all too frequently...) |
| 04:35.40 | Grumbler | such is life |
| 04:35.56 | rkr | Ah. Was life a compile-time option? |
| 04:36.24 | rkr | ./configure --disable-life && make clean && make && make install |
| 05:02.16 | rkr | Or was that a kernel config option? |
| 05:02.27 | rkr | options NOLIFE |
| 05:03.01 | rkr | config rkr && cd ../comp/rkr && make clean && make depends && make |
| 05:03.08 | brlcad | O.o |
| 05:10.57 | brlcad | because you're not supposed to use ~ in private messages to ibot...? |
| 05:11.05 | brlcad | that's ibot's key in channels to pay attention |
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| 05:12.43 | Grumbler | evening brlcad |
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| 05:13.10 | brlcad | howdy grumby |
| 05:13.53 | rkr | Yes, brlcad, but if you send spurious/experimental commands to ibot on a public channel, people ask you to use /msg... |
| 05:14.16 | rkr | Ah, i seee... |
| 05:14.30 | rkr | You don't need the ~ at all in /msg to ibot...(^& the response didn't really make that clear. |
| 05:15.04 | rkr | Just made it look like it was complaining about 'necessary' syntactic sugar. (At least to me.) |
| 05:15.32 | brlcad | don't worry -- it's just you |
| 05:15.41 | BenUrban | and can be changed |
| 05:16.05 | rkr | Yes, but it wasn't "which character is it talking about", it was "Why is it complaining?" |
| 05:16.21 | rkr | If it instead said something like, "the address character is not required in /msg commands to ibot", it would be clearer. |
| 05:16.53 | rkr | Instead it says, "Please do not use the addressCharacter when private messaging," which left me to wonder how the heck I was supposed to do an ibot command in /msg. |
| 05:17.37 | brlcad | saying it's not required is not the same thing as saying do not use it |
| 05:18.18 | rkr | Yes, exactly my point. |
| 05:19.54 | brlcad | eh, well it's not that it's not required |
| 05:20.15 | Pimpi | so why should you use an address character if you already adressed using /msg ? |
| 05:20.17 | brlcad | not required would be optional, which it is not |
| 05:20.26 | rkr | It is not required in a /msg. |
| 05:20.49 | rkr | Try /msg ibot brlcad |
| 05:20.55 | rkr | Then try /msg ibot ~brlcad |
| 05:21.08 | brlcad | we know what it does well enough ;) |
| 05:21.09 | rkr | the two give identical results, save that the former causes ibot to also print the "don't use the addressCharacter". |
| 05:21.45 | rkr | Maybe we are not understanding one another, then. (^& |
| 05:21.51 | Pimpi | this might work dor brlcad, maybe it wont for other ibot commands though |
| 05:22.48 | rkr | When it says "please don't use it", it doesn't say how to make the command work without it. Those of us who haven't attended ibot 101 at the local university will get the impression that "ibot will just whine about any command you send in a /msg". (^& |
| 05:22.50 | Pimpi | so it's not only not required, it's just wrong while ibot is tolerant towards the mistake to some point |
| 05:22.53 | Pimpi | thats it |
| 05:23.15 | purple_cow | wow, lookit all the brlcad development going on. got something planned? :) |
| 05:24.13 | purple_cow | i've seen more brl-cad commits in the last few days than i have for months |
| 05:24.21 | brlcad | ahh |
| 05:24.26 | rkr | Pimpi: "Why should you use an address character [...]?" As far as i understood, the character was part of the command. I have no idea how ibot works internally. (^& |
| 05:25.16 | Pimpi | nah, it's an address character, thats used to address ibot easily, it's not part of the command |
| 05:25.19 | brlcad | purple_cow: activity is slowly returning to normal is all with more than just 1-2 devs with a few hours a week dedicated ;) |
| 05:25.48 | rkr | I finally understood that. But not really through any insight from the ibot warning/error/advisory. |
| 05:26.07 | brlcad | rkr: post a feature request ;) |
| 05:26.10 | brlcad | or a patch |
| 05:26.11 | rkr | Maybe I'm aberrant, but to me, the ibot complaint about the ~ was opaque on that point. |
| 05:26.20 | rkr | And how do I post a feature request to ibot? |
| 05:26.29 | brlcad | ~ibot |
| 05:26.29 | ibot | i heard ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 05:27.04 | brlcad | ~google blootbot feature request |
| 05:27.40 | brlcad | hmm |
| 05:28.21 | rkr | Ah, now if soemone had said that it had a SourceForge project...that would have helped. (^& |
| 05:28.37 | rkr | Poking at the RFE section, now... |
| 05:47.31 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Permissions.cxx: Either i just forgot to commit this or somebody reverted it. since i found no hint for the latter it seems to be my fault. the ! operator for perms needs this or just won't work |
| 05:56.33 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03galkire * 10bzflag/plugins/RogueGenocide/ (Makefile RogueGenocide.cpp ReadMe.txt): |
| 05:56.33 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: A simple equivalent for Rogues using the Genocide. This version uses |
| 05:56.33 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: bz_killTank which does not identify the killer. To use bz_fireworldweapon |
| 05:56.33 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: would require have a known position of the tank by the server. |
| 06:04.08 | rkr | YOu can't have your Kate and Edith, too. |
| 06:04.47 | rkr | How can you check, from bzadmin, the remaining time for a time-limited bzfs game? |
| 06:09.35 | brlcad | purple_cow: also, adrt has been merged in recently, so there's been a flurry of activity for that too |
| 06:10.17 | brlcad | real-time raytracing and the path tracer rendering layers justin's been working on |
| 06:11.32 | purple_cow | how many renderers do you need? :) |
| 06:11.57 | rkr | Ah, there's the curses problem, I think. bzadmin says "#ifdef HAVE_NCURSES_H ... #endif", then "#if defined(HAVE_CURSES_H)"... |
| 06:12.48 | rkr | So if you have both curses.h and ncurses.h, it tries to include both. Looks a bit dubious... |
| 06:15.38 | brlcad | purple_cow: at least a half-dozen that generate pictures to date, each with their purpose |
| 06:15.56 | brlcad | and several renderers that .. don't generate pictures |
| 06:18.46 | purple_cow | sounds useful |
| 06:20.11 | brlcad | rt for accuracy, remrt for distributed, igvt for real-time, adrt for realistic, rtedge for contours, rtray for multispectral, ... |
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| 06:48.38 | ruskie | lo all |
| 06:51.01 | rkr | Hi. |
| 06:57.46 | ruskie | got your script... haven't had the chance to play with it |
| 07:02.05 | rkr | (nod) |
| 07:02.42 | ruskie | nicely documented... |
| 07:04.03 | rkr | The helix-stairs have a small wart that may or may not bother you: They get to the requested height, but you might find that they are about 1 step shy (or half a step shy) of the full angular range you expect. |
| 07:04.25 | ruskie | not really a prob |
| 07:04.51 | ruskie | just thinking on how to implement them in my labyrinth map |
| 07:04.56 | rkr | They work nicely for stacking two different helix-stairs on top and joining up, but can leave small gaps if you don't fudge their position to make winding stairs up somewhere... |
| 07:04.57 | rkr | (nod) |
| 07:05.46 | rkr | You can also just use them for decoration. (^& I have a couple of cool-looking twisted support structures for platforms. |
| 07:06.51 | ruskie | :) |
| 07:07.01 | ruskie | might do that instead of a few planned columns |
| 07:07.03 | rkr | (Radii of about 100, widths "small", with 5 sets...) |
| 07:07.54 | rkr | (Fiddle with radii and sets according to taste, but it gives a slightly-alien, "space-port" look.) |
| 07:08.25 | ruskie | still thinking if I should include radar in the map or not... |
| 07:09.16 | rkr | Ah, I gave up thinking. That's why I just put some variations in rotation to see how they work. |
| 07:10.04 | rkr | I think I'll take out one or two of my CTF modes and try adding a rabbit-hunt. |
| 07:10.43 | rkr | Free-for-all so far seems to work best with the map that I have, but I'm more inclined to CTF games as a player. |
| 07:12.19 | ruskie | yeah me to |
| 07:12.39 | ruskie | to bad that there's to many ********* players out there who don't have a clue what team work means |
| 07:13.02 | ruskie | that's why I enforce team-based-play on my server... even ffa has only teams no rogues... |
| 07:13.23 | rkr | I may try restructuring my revolving server so that I can try a vastly different map layout for a better CTF server in rotation. |
| 07:13.26 | rkr | (nod about teamwork) |
| 07:14.07 | rkr | Or simply those who login to TK their own team. There was one of those over on viper.pimpi.??? who would login as one team and say to the other team, "Don't kill me, I'm on your side and tk'ing..." |
| 07:14.22 | rkr | That player knew what he was dong and was just being a jerk... |
| 07:14.25 | ruskie | yeah |
| 07:14.32 | rkr | s/dong/doing/ |
| 07:14.34 | ruskie | I just kick such ppl when I see what they're doing... |
| 07:14.43 | ruskie | <-- cop on viper :) |
| 07:14.45 | rkr | Unfortunately, no admins were around... |
| 07:14.47 | rkr | (^& |
| 07:15.08 | ruskie | rkr, well there might have been some trustees |
| 07:15.28 | rkr | No one with /kick or /ban---or if they were, they didn't perk up or do anything. |
| 07:15.32 | rkr | (^& |
| 07:15.43 | ruskie | well trustees have kick and shortban |
| 07:17.04 | rkr | My own policy would be (from having been a cop in the past) to give them a warning at most, and then a 5 or 10 (or 30...(^&) minute ban. |
| 07:17.45 | rkr | They clearly knew what they were about, so extensive warnings and mild /kick seems too nice for them... |
| 07:17.55 | trepan | permanent ban |
| 07:18.38 | ruskie | naahh kick twice ban for a few days and if repeats report him to the authorities... :) |
| 07:18.39 | rkr | The problem is that most have dynamic IPs, so valid players might come back from that IP number. And, too, they might get the hint after doing a couple of TK's and getting a couple of 30 minute bans. |
| 07:19.01 | rkr | (At least, that's my theory...) |
| 07:19.04 | ruskie | rkr, not really.. trolls are trolls |
| 07:19.39 | rkr | Hm. Well, I certainly wouldn't bother with a /kick with them. That won't do anything more than let them know that they are succeeding at annoying people (and come right back to do it some more). |
| 07:20.05 | ruskie | rkr, well they can do it twice with me around |
| 07:20.06 | rkr | Maybe a longer ban would be a good policy, though. (^& |
| 07:20.11 | ruskie | then they get banned for a while |
| 07:20.13 | rkr | (nod) |
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| 07:22.33 | rkr | Fortunately, on my own server, the closest that I've come to having problems are people who login and ask to be made an admin... |
| 07:22.58 | trepan | permaban them too... |
| 07:22.59 | ruskie | I just ignore those and if they repeat I explain to them their first mistake... |
| 07:23.07 | rkr | trepan: (^& |
| 07:23.28 | ruskie | I'm supposedly to linient on ppl... |
| 07:24.25 | rkr | I haven't had it in me to ban'em for asking. Someone had the creative idea of setting up a dummy server and letting the person be an admin just to see what they did with the power... |
| 07:24.58 | trepan | (mind you, that was on a testing server, with a warning about low tolerance for idiots) |
| 07:25.12 | rkr | Ah... |
| 07:25.32 | ruskie | rkr, yeah nice idea... |
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| 07:32.59 | rkr | I think that the ramp-generator could use a file-inclusion directive, too...but adding that would mean changing the way that it works at a pretty fundamental level, I think. |
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| 07:34.01 | rkr | (Well, not a very fundamental way, I guess...but it relies on pattern-matching input-lines to figure out the construction command; I think that that only works with stdin...) |
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| 09:07.37 | CBG | bz keeps crashing on me when i try to join or open the list |
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| 09:09.02 | CBG | eh. right after I ask for help - now it works |
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| 10:49.22 | ruskie | http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/ <-- whoaaa |
| 10:50.18 | jpa- | oldd |
| 10:51.32 | ruskie | :) |
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| 11:04.15 | joeurdebzflag | ya des francai? |
| 11:04.39 | joeurdebzflag | allo |
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| 11:47.07 | bz3593 | hi all |
| 11:48.15 | CBG | hello |
| 11:48.24 | bz3593 | cbg? |
| 11:48.27 | ruskie | lo |
| 11:48.38 | bz3593 | hey |
| 11:48.42 | CBG | bz3593? |
| 11:48.50 | bz3593 | what are this yellow plusses? |
| 11:48.58 | bz3593 | at trepan or orange |
| 11:49.14 | CBG | They have VOICE. :/ |
| 11:49.19 | bz3593 | eh |
| 11:49.20 | bz3593 | nwhat? |
| 11:49.30 | bz3593 | what do they have? |
| 11:49.36 | CBG | Don't worry about it. |
| 11:49.37 | ruskie | voice |
| 11:49.42 | bz3593 | what is that? |
| 11:49.46 | bz3593 | voice |
| 11:49.55 | bz3593 | it is when someone speaks |
| 11:50.03 | bz3593 | no, that is a noice |
| 11:50.11 | trepan | it's a mild form of yellow jaundice, should clear up by the end of the week |
| 11:50.12 | bz3593 | no, it is voice |
| 11:50.20 | ruskie | go to #freenode and ask there |
| 11:50.20 | bz3593 | ok |
| 11:50.35 | bz3593 | where should i go? |
| 11:50.42 | CBG | #freenode |
| 11:50.47 | bz3593 | ok |
| 11:51.09 | bz3593 | what is freenode for a site? |
| 11:51.31 | CBG | its a channel. |
| 11:51.39 | bz3593 | ok |
| 11:51.39 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.52 | bz3593 | with the # |
| 11:51.57 | CBG | yes |
| 11:52.11 | rkr | i don't see any yellow pluses. It's all black text on a nice middle-grey background. |
| 11:52.30 | rkr | (Except the status line which is inverted grey on black...and the window decoration...) |
| 11:52.32 | CBG | I see little blue icons next to them... |
| 11:52.39 | CBG | Red icons for OPs... |
| 11:52.46 | ruskie | I see grey + |
| 11:52.48 | bz3593 | ok |
| 11:52.48 | ruskie | blue nick |
| 11:52.53 | rkr | No icons here, fortunately. (^& |
| 11:52.57 | CBG | :P rkr |
| 11:53.06 | ruskie | and a lot of other colours as well |
| 11:53.16 | bz3593 | yes |
| 11:53.22 | bz3593 | it is so |
| 11:53.22 | bz3593 | ok |
| 11:53.27 | bz3593 | yep |
| 11:53.32 | ruskie | <-- ssh atm else urxvt |
| 11:53.34 | bz3593 | but, which people speak on freenode |
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| 11:53.43 | bz3593 | what a channel is this for |
| 11:53.45 | ruskie | bz3593, the ppl with the + |
| 11:53.51 | CBG | just ask your question, bz3593 |
| 11:54.01 | ruskie | he can't not + yet |
| 11:54.10 | rkr | Ooo. i have a question! |
| 11:54.24 | rkr | What is the capital of Assyria? |
| 11:54.31 | rkr | Err, capitol. |
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| 11:54.47 | CBG | rkr: hold on a sec. |
| 11:54.55 | rkr | No fair looking it up. |
| 11:55.07 | CBG | Nineveh. |
| 11:55.08 | CBG | :) |
| 11:55.12 | rkr | If you google for it or grab a book, you will be flung into the chasm of eternal peril. |
| 11:55.35 | CBG | google? huh. what is this? :P |
| 11:55.50 | rkr | Okay, what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow? |
| 11:56.07 | CBG | a what? |
| 11:56.20 | rkr | An unladen swallow. |
| 11:56.24 | CBG | ugh |
| 11:56.29 | rkr | A swallow that is not burdened with anything. |
| 11:56.41 | CBG | It’s a simple question of weight ratios... |
| 11:56.55 | ruskie | rkr, bored? |
| 11:56.59 | CBG | What do you mean, an African or European Swallow? |
| 11:57.16 | ruskie | lol |
| 11:57.18 | bz3593 | bye all |
| 11:57.27 | CBG | bye. |
| 11:58.00 | bz3593 | yeah |
| 11:58.16 | rkr | Um, probably an Assyrian swallow. |
| 11:58.34 | rkr | ruskie: No. I'm never bored. (^& |
| 11:58.42 | ruskie | yeah... sure... |
| 11:58.49 | ruskie | then I've got a great idea for ya... |
| 11:58.53 | rkr | (But someone told bz3593 to ask his question, so I thought i'd ask one...) |
| 11:59.15 | ruskie | I'll send you my labyrinth map and you can equip it with world weapons :) |
| 11:59.47 | rkr | for x in -size : 1 : size |
| 11:59.53 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.01 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.16 | CBG | There were actually four capitals of Assyria. All of which now lie (in ruins) within "Iraq"/ |
| 12:00.28 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.44 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.49 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.53 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.55 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.32 | CBG | btw: the average cruising airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is roughly 11 meters per second, or 24 miles an hour. |
| 12:01.39 | rkr | (Run that in Octave, with size set to your world's size...add a z iteration if you want to fill space with it...) |
| 12:02.03 | trepan | rkr: pastebin, or /msg |
| 12:02.33 | ruskie | :) |
| 12:03.19 | rkr | trepan: What, pastebin the bzflag-related code? |
| 12:04.23 | trepan | even bz related code... it's rude to spam the channel |
| 12:04.41 | CBG | rkr: RUDE! |
| 12:04.51 | ruskie | lol |
| 12:05.15 | rkr | Hm. I didn't perceive it as spam. Sorry. |
| 12:05.44 | rkr | Taking it to /msg. |
| 12:11.38 | Birdie | what is "segfault"? |
| 12:11.57 | rkr | A UNIX-type OS error event. |
| 12:15.21 | rkr | Birdie: A segfault is short for segmentation fault. Basically it's a memory access error. One cause may be a program that tries to allocate a resource but doesn't check that the allocation succeeded. |
| 12:16.17 | Birdie | i just wrote in the forum of the server gamesunited, that he tries to update the server but he gets segfault all the time (is why /mute etc isnt in yet), but i think its strange because other servers are updated with it |
| 12:16.27 | Birdie | i just saw in the forum * |
| 12:17.34 | Pimpi | which environment, server version, etc.? |
| 12:18.11 | Pimpi | GU forum? |
| 12:18.20 | Birdie | http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?showtopic=11198 |
| 12:18.53 | Birdie | he still has the version where the /countdown bug isnt fixed (!), every player + observer their bz goes stuck when its started |
| 12:20.03 | Pimpi | he should try current cvs |
| 12:20.17 | Pimpi | i fixed another unplesant bug this morning |
| 12:20.24 | Birdie | wich one? |
| 12:20.34 | Birdie | (pls answer in the forum about the current cvs) |
| 12:20.52 | Pimpi | !PERM wasn't handled correctly |
| 12:20.53 | TheLastSpartan | Pimpi: I'm sorry, that makes NO FREAKING SENSE to me what so ever. |
| 12:21.20 | Pimpi | nothing that makes the server crash though |
| 12:21.37 | Birdie | and gu never crashes |
| 12:21.39 | Birdie | i mean |
| 12:21.46 | Pimpi | perm forbids were just ignored |
| 12:21.49 | Birdie | it crashes but you can go back, but not that its completely down |
| 12:21.56 | Birdie | like on yours |
| 12:22.22 | Pimpi | hm |
| 12:22.30 | Pimpi | match servers you mean? |
| 12:22.35 | Birdie | ya |
| 12:22.54 | Birdie | it never crashed so you couldnt go back |
| 12:22.55 | Pimpi | should be fixed too (i hope, not completely sure) |
| 12:27.48 | rkr | Is there a way from bzadmin to see the remaining time on a time-limited game? |
| 12:28.11 | Pimpi | no |
| 12:28.25 | rkr | (nod) Thanks. I'll stop looking for it, then. (^& |
| 12:30.33 | Pimpi | Birdie: if it segfaults, it really crashes though |
| 12:30.48 | Pimpi | it ends the process emediately |
| 12:33.17 | Birdie | is why he didnt updated, because it crashes all the time(i think) |
| 12:36.06 | _Manu_ | rkr, sometimes you can know the remaining time from bzdamin |
| 12:37.32 | _Manu_ | rkr, use /msg to some player asking for it and wait.... ;-p |
| 13:03.12 | Grumbler | !pull |
| 13:03.13 | TheLastSpartan | Grumbler: are you 11? |
| 13:03.25 | Grumbler | wrong way |
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| 13:44.05 | Pimpi | scoring should be left up to the player's object |
| 13:44.32 | Pimpi | could be included with a srtategy objsct |
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| 13:45.00 | Pimpi | with a subclass for every gamestyle |
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| 13:46.18 | bz2773 | hey |
| 13:47.05 | bz2773 | what does the at orange mean??????? |
| 13:47.26 | bz2773 | what does the plus at orange mean? |
| 13:48.19 | Pimpi | voice |
| 13:48.20 | ruskie | bz2773, that's it's an orange with a + |
| 13:48.30 | trepan | bz3593 [~549cd805@webchat.bzflag.bz] any relation? |
| 13:48.41 | ruskie | possibly... |
| 13:55.23 | Birdie | your bday? |
| 13:55.35 | orange | no, just a celebration of my + |
| 13:55.58 | Birdie | dont make me jealous:) |
| 13:56.07 | CBG | too late :P |
| 13:58.29 | Grumbler | Birdie< dont be too jealous, if they let trepan in, they'll let anybody in :) |
| 13:58.42 | Aribeth_away | ooooooo |
| 13:59.06 | Pimpi | a voice from far away |
| 13:59.18 | Grumbler | Aribeth_away< any maps on the planned horizon |
| 13:59.37 | Aribeth_away | yes, BZ drag races |
| 14:00.15 | CBG | neat |
| 14:00.36 | Grumbler | drag races?......is that where all the tanks get dresses and where loud makeup? |
| 14:00.50 | Aribeth_away | ROFLOL! |
| 14:01.05 | CBG | LMAO |
| 14:01.16 | Aribeth_away | more like top fuel drag raceing |
| 14:01.20 | Aribeth_away | ;) |
| 14:01.32 | Birdie | drag racing is cool |
| 14:01.45 | Birdie | we should do that with tanks(but make for that server that tanks can hit each other) |
| 14:02.11 | Aribeth_away | ever had a car that could do 160 mph ...1/4 mile in 9 seconds? |
| 14:03.07 | Aribeth_away | hehe |
| 14:03.28 | Aribeth_away | Aribeth = Leadfoot |
| 14:04.30 | Grumbler | Aribeth_away< get a cooper S, with a couple modifications you can be both a speed freak and a g-force freak |
| 14:04.52 | Aribeth_away | LOL! |
| 14:05.09 | Aribeth_away | i'll stick with my 1971 Olds Cutlass |
| 14:05.28 | Grumbler | powersteering hell there |
| 14:05.52 | Grumbler | CBG< you will grow out of it |
| 14:06.49 | Aribeth_away | you will |
| 14:07.36 | Aribeth_away | you will get to a point where you will want more horsepower |
| 14:07.55 | CBG | heh. |
| 14:08.05 | CBG | Then I'll get a PowerBook. ;) |
| 14:08.17 | Aribeth_away | there ya go |
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| 14:08.49 | CBG | Then I just wont be away from my POWERBook for more than 15 mins at a time... |
| 14:09.29 | Grumbler | dont forget, the world ends 2015....so you might want to storing up batteries now |
| 14:09.47 | Grumbler | ugh, still asleep |
| 14:10.01 | Grumbler | last part of that, almost didnt make any sense |
| 14:10.12 | CBG | 2015 ;O |
| 14:10.16 | CBG | :o |
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| 14:14.19 | jpa- | lallaaa |
| 14:15.17 | CBG | benurban. ;) |
| 14:15.23 | BenUrban | hiya |
| 14:15.24 | CBG | Hows city life, ben? |
| 14:15.35 | BenUrban | annoying |
| 14:15.36 | BenUrban | lol |
| 14:15.54 | BenUrban | this is the 5th day in a row this week that i've gone in to work |
| 14:16.17 | BenUrban | for more than a year now, i have neevr gone in more than 4 days in one week |
| 14:16.29 | CBG | heh |
| 14:16.36 | BenUrban | just when he was cutting back on my hours... |
| 14:16.51 | CBG | lol. :P |
| 14:16.57 | CBG | Beging home all DAY is fun! |
| 14:17.06 | BenUrban | and far more productive |
| 14:17.30 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 14:17.38 | BenUrban | there was something i was about to do.. |
| 14:18.27 | CBG | Doubt it... |
| 14:18.43 | BenUrban | lol |
| 14:18.56 | BenUrban | oh well |
| 14:19.05 | BenUrban | *starts |
| 14:19.58 | CBG | *This* is the life, man. |
| 14:22.32 | BenUrban | sigh |
| 14:22.38 | BenUrban | i used to be you |
| 14:23.51 | CBG | MINE!!! :P |
| 14:24.02 | BenUrban | damn you |
| 14:24.24 | CBG | Damn me! ;) |
| 14:24.38 | BenUrban | like right now |
| 14:24.40 | BenUrban | :D |
| 14:24.45 | CBG | :P |
| 14:26.12 | BenUrban | damnn that computer |
| 14:26.28 | BenUrban | apparently windows sets it to hibernate after 10 minutes of inactivity |
| 14:27.01 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 14:27.09 | BenUrban | well that's od |
| 14:27.10 | BenUrban | odd |
| 14:27.28 | CBG | Windows? |
| 14:27.32 | BenUrban | yes lo |
| 14:27.34 | BenUrban | l |
| 14:27.36 | CBG | What idiot has windows? |
| 14:27.52 | Birdie | JeffM2501 ... |
| 14:27.58 | Birdie | so dont call windows users idiots |
| 14:28.02 | BenUrban | the idiot that i work for |
| 14:28.09 | Birdie | because he owns you in being smart |
| 14:28.12 | BenUrban | and all of his clients |
| 14:28.23 | BenUrban | may i call him an idiot? :P |
| 14:29.10 | BenUrban | *SIGH* |
| 14:29.22 | CBG | I didnt say windows users where idiots. |
| 14:29.30 | CBG | I asked who was the idiot that had windows. |
| 14:29.41 | BenUrban | my boss's clients |
| 14:29.45 | CBG | I heard that somewhere there was an idiot and this guy had windows... |
| 14:31.09 | rkr | I assume that for rabbit hunt, you specify only rogue team members? (^& |
| 14:31.37 | CBG | I think you can just specify a total number... |
| 14:32.02 | BenUrban | lol on toshiba's website, they don't even list computers in their drivers section |
| 14:32.46 | BenUrban | rkr: don't even think about it. my computer has IoJack |
| 14:32.50 | BenUrban | :D |
| 14:33.15 | rkr | (^& |
| 14:33.47 | Grumbler | .....well, if you dont set the power settings for windows, it will go into hibernate |
| 14:33.56 | Grumbler | ....even desktops |
| 14:34.01 | BenUrban | great |
| 14:34.14 | Grumbler | most users just edit the power settings so it doesnt |
| 14:34.35 | BenUrban | yup, i just did that |
| 14:34.53 | Grumbler | of course that doesnt eliminate the sleep key :) |
| 14:34.57 | BenUrban | lol |
| 14:35.17 | BenUrban | but this one doesn't seem to have a power button |
| 14:35.23 | BenUrban | at least not for turning it off |
| 14:35.40 | BenUrban | no mater how long i hold it, it goes into hibernate :( |
| 14:35.42 | Grumbler | turn it off....why would you want to do that |
| 14:36.00 | BenUrban | lol i could not figure out how to set the bios to boot from a cd |
| 14:36.09 | BenUrban | so i had to keep turning it off and on |
| 14:36.31 | BenUrban | but it wouldn't turn off :( |
| 14:36.43 | BenUrban | so i had to unplug it and take out the battery :< |
| 14:37.54 | BenUrban | oh, hey, this is different... |
| 14:54.29 | BenUrban | not my computer.... |
| 15:07.46 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 15:08.05 | BenUrban | my battery monitor script just told me "BATTERY CRITICAL" |
| 15:08.08 | BenUrban | i am on ac power |
| 15:08.14 | BenUrban | and at 100% charge |
| 15:08.18 | BenUrban | lol |
| 15:21.13 | BenUrban | :D |
| 15:29.13 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 15:29.36 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, I know.. viper is down |
| 15:29.40 | BearPerson | heh |
| 15:30.36 | BearPerson | why is it? |
| 15:31.31 | BearPerson | double question probably... I mean both ;-) |
| 15:34.36 | rkr | Why is viper down? |
| 15:34.54 | rkr | (Or why was it down, if it's back up...(^&) |
| 15:35.05 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, viper is running again |
| 15:35.15 | rkr | Ah, nevermind me, then. |
| 15:35.18 | _Manu_ | rkr, also for you ;) |
| 15:35.23 | rkr | (^& |
| 15:35.36 | rkr | Thanks. I'm curious why it was down, though. |
| 15:35.52 | _Manu_ | making changes in server... :) |
| 15:35.53 | rkr | (It's more curiosity than anything else. I'm not anxious to play on it just now...) |
| 15:35.57 | rkr | Ah. |
| 15:36.28 | rkr | Anything you care to comment on, here? Just minor behind-the-scenes stuff? Or "log in and find out"? (^& |
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| 15:43.43 | _Manu_ | rkr, TOP SECRET! ;-p |
| 15:43.56 | rkr | State secret! |
| 15:44.16 | rkr | Whose side are you on? Who is number 1? |
| 15:44.53 | _Manu_ | number 1 for what? :) |
| 15:45.14 | rkr | Um, number 1, above number 2? |
| 15:45.32 | _Manu_ | it depends :) if the order is asc or desc ;) |
| 15:46.18 | rkr | I guess it depends on in which order you traverse the integers. You could do a Cantor diagonalization... |
| 15:46.41 | _Manu_ | we are using complex.. not integers ;-p |
| 15:46.58 | BenUrban | integers aren't that complex... |
| 15:47.30 | BenUrban | at least some of them aren't |
| 15:47.39 | BenUrban | a few of them are though... |
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| 15:53.38 | rkr | Integers are in the complex set. |
| 15:53.54 | _Manu_ | but i let you the imaginary part ;) |
| 15:53.58 | BenUrban | lol |
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| 15:55.03 | BenUrban | rkr: devsnack |
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| 15:55.11 | rkr | Heh. |
| 15:56.24 | rkr | Well, that's enough fiddling with the maps for today. Per request, there are some pyramids in free-for-all so that lasers aren't quite so exciting... |
| 15:57.21 | BenUrban | which ffa? |
| 16:00.13 | BenUrban | lmao |
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| 16:21.22 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, why do people argue cases they don't understand? |
| 16:24.46 | bryjen | they do not know that they do not know |
| 16:24.55 | JeffM2501 | this is true |
| 16:25.05 | JeffM2501 | even after people try to tell them |
| 16:25.48 | bryjen | failure to know is not so bad as failure to learn |
| 16:26.17 | trepan | it could probably be traced back to Beavis and Butthead |
| 16:26.31 | JeffM2501 | and that can be tracked back to MTV |
| 16:26.48 | trepan | and MTV can be linked to Peewee Herman |
| 16:26.57 | bryjen | ? |
| 16:27.07 | JeffM2501 | it can? |
| 16:27.36 | trepan | dunno, just trying to backup my peewee/devil theory |
| 16:28.18 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:30.10 | bryjen | Music Television that contains very little music is undoubtably the work of the devil ;) |
| 16:31.22 | JeffM2501 | well for this guy I added visual aids to my post, I hope it helps :) |
| 16:33.03 | gonkulator | devil you say |
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| 16:34.01 | gonkulator | hey SportyGal, I'm back from my first year of seminary solitude and little IRC |
| 16:34.16 | SportyGal | hiya gonk - long time no see wb |
| 16:34.20 | gonkulator | ty |
| 16:34.27 | JeffM2501 | wow look at this prety picture of windows XP running on a macintosh |
| 16:35.30 | trepan | http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Paul-Reubens , PeeWee's last stint was for MTV |
| 16:35.41 | orchid | names |
| 16:35.44 | gonkulator | hey wow, what does the + next to my name mean |
| 16:35.46 | gonkulator | orchid!!! |
| 16:36.00 | orchid | hi gonkulator |
| 16:36.26 | gonkulator | orchid: whats new? |
| 16:36.34 | gonkulator | SportyGal: I also want to know whats new for you as well |
| 16:36.45 | Birdie | !praise orchid |
| 16:36.59 | JeffM2501 | it means you ahve voice |
| 16:37.12 | gonkulator | ooooh |
| 16:37.19 | SportyGal | gonkulator: been traveling like a fiend. i'm about to go into a meeting so I won't be able to talk much |
| 16:37.29 | gonkulator | SportyGal: ah, ok, have fun |
| 16:38.00 | gonkulator | JeffM2501: have you heard my parodies... people hear them and disagree :) |
| 16:38.13 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 16:38.30 | gonkulator | heh, nm |
| 16:38.33 | Birdie | lol gonkulator you havent signed out since 22 may |
| 16:39.18 | gonkulator | Birdie: yeah, I left my server running and irssi inside of screen on linux with a stable cable modem connection can do that |
| 16:39.43 | gonkulator | wow, that was incoherent |
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| 16:39.47 | gonkulator | you get the idea :) |
| 16:40.33 | gonkulator | s/and i/\. I/ |
| 16:40.55 | BenUrban | yes |
| 16:40.59 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 16:41.12 | meacan | Not in the replace-part of regex |
| 16:41.17 | jpa- | hm.. but in the "To" part? |
| 16:41.22 | jpa- | yup, thought so |
| 16:41.25 | BenUrban | *matches |
| 16:41.43 | BenUrban | lol |
| 16:42.00 | gonkulator | I left my server running. Irssi inside of screen... |
| 16:45.49 | Grumbler | JeffM2501< there are problems with bz_fireworldweapon.....mainly, you dont know the exact position of the tank to be killed....so you end up have to have multiple "fires" per person to handle a variety of possible positions and then you get into the possibility of killing an innocent.....bz_killtank would be better, but it would need a field for the killer and possiblity flag |
| 16:46.43 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, ok |
| 16:46.57 | JeffM2501 | well I can look into it later this afternoon hopefully |
| 16:46.57 | BenUrban | that's the least funny thing i've ever seen Grumbler say |
| 16:47.09 | JeffM2501 | if there is a packet that I can send that will kill somone then it's easy |
| 16:47.23 | JeffM2501 | if there is no packet that can kill a user then we'll have to wait for a proto break |
| 16:47.28 | Grumbler | no rush, i still to do some more testing. |
| 16:47.46 | JeffM2501 | well hook it up with the existing kill function |
| 16:47.51 | JeffM2501 | it'll "WORK" functionaly |
| 16:47.59 | JeffM2501 | it just won't atribure the right score |
| 16:48.04 | JeffM2501 | or have the message |
| 16:48.04 | Grumbler | i did...checkout plugins/RogueGenocide |
| 16:48.09 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:48.20 | BenUrban | "RogueGenocide? |
| 16:48.25 | BenUrban | sigh |
| 16:48.31 | BenUrban | so you did implement it... |
| 16:48.32 | Grumbler | its a plugin, you can relax |
| 16:48.36 | BenUrban | ok |
| 16:49.10 | JeffM2501 | he listened to all our comments, so he's testing it |
| 16:49.20 | trepan | only send the shot to the 1 player? |
| 16:50.02 | trepan | or all intended victims, i should say... a SW blanket |
| 16:56.39 | bryjen | there is a bz_killPlayer, but it looks to only set their state to dead. |
| 16:57.17 | JeffM2501 | it is suposed to kill them, like when a flag cap happens |
| 16:57.20 | JeffM2501 | it nees more work |
| 16:57.39 | JeffM2501 | I dono if there is a packet that can send a "you die now" message |
| 16:57.50 | JeffM2501 | have to look at how existing geno is done |
| 16:58.09 | bryjen | the /kill command calls playerKilled(), which has a bunch of params |
| 16:58.34 | JeffM2501 | I know you would |
| 16:58.43 | JeffM2501 | but server dosn't do zone entry/exit stuff now |
| 16:58.43 | BearPerson | so you can just define a big mesh around the base with deadly physics, only to be ignited on flag cap |
| 16:58.45 | JeffM2501 | or collisions |
| 16:59.02 | JeffM2501 | one day |
| 16:59.02 | BearPerson | clients don't get events? |
| 16:59.12 | JeffM2501 | ohh god no |
| 16:59.16 | JeffM2501 | events are all server side |
| 16:59.22 | BearPerson | ah, I see :) |
| 16:59.29 | JeffM2501 | plugins are allways server side |
| 16:59.36 | JeffM2501 | if they wern't, then everyone would have to have a plugin |
| 17:00.04 | JeffM2501 | next proto break it woudn't be to hard to put that in |
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| 17:00.22 | JeffM2501 | make object properties be trigrerable from the server |
| 17:00.31 | JeffM2501 | then the server can turn stuff on or off on events |
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| 17:01.23 | Grumbler | BearPerson< i thought of that, and I dont handle a rogue/rogue kill like that........i have no patience for that kind of stuff |
| 17:02.26 | Grumbler | ...although this plugin stuff was pretty easy.....well, once i learned some more c stuff....... |
| 17:03.06 | bryjen | playerKilled() appears to handle scoring, tks, flag zap, and sending MsgKilled... |
| 17:05.27 | JeffM2501 | does it take a killer? |
| 17:06.06 | bryjen | playerKilled(int victimIndex, int killerIndex, int reason, int16_t shotIndex, const FlagType* flagType, int phydrv); |
| 17:07.18 | JeffM2501 | thats a server side function? |
| 17:07.29 | bryjen | in bzfs.cxx |
| 17:07.44 | Grumbler | whoot |
| 17:10.40 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:10.48 | JeffM2501 | I'll hook it into an API function |
| 17:11.09 | JeffM2501 | hmm tho it needs a shot index |
| 17:11.29 | JeffM2501 | I'll see if I can fake it |
| 17:12.34 | Grumbler | could shotIndex be copied from the bz_kill*event stuff...... |
| 17:13.16 | bryjen | the /kill command just uses -1 in there |
| 17:15.33 | bryjen | or Grumbler's suggestion of using the id from the origional shot might be appropriate here |
| 17:16.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah I did |
| 17:16.40 | JeffM2501 | but -1 should be fine :) |
| 17:16.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm merging now so I'll be done in a bit |
| 17:17.09 | JeffM2501 | I have to do a quck work thing then I'll have it for you |
| 17:24.22 | Pimpi | hmm, i'm going to move scoring to GameKeeper::Player |
| 17:25.07 | Pimpi | using a strategy object |
| 17:25.23 | Pimpi | s/object/class |
| 17:26.02 | Pimpi | don't break my class interfaces ;) |
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| 17:29.43 | bryjen | hrm. the server complains about finding the python plugin but its missing bz_Load. I don't have any plugin .so's on that machine :/ |
| 17:31.16 | JeffM2501 | you have a pythoh.so in your path tho |
| 17:31.18 | JeffM2501 | I have to change it :) |
| 17:31.25 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't auto do it |
| 17:31.35 | JeffM2501 | we'll have to make our plugin like bzpython.so or something |
| 17:34.19 | bryjen | there is no python-anything on that machine |
| 17:34.24 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 17:34.29 | JeffM2501 | maybe a boigus message then |
| 17:34.36 | JeffM2501 | we try to autoload python |
| 17:34.51 | JeffM2501 | I'll remove it for now, untill the python plugin has more work |
| 17:35.01 | BenUrban | how can you have a machine without python? |
| 17:35.43 | bryjen | its a server. it runs bzfs. and apache sometimes. |
| 17:35.47 | BenUrban | ah |
| 17:35.56 | BenUrban | what distro? |
| 17:36.03 | bryjen | Slackware |
| 17:36.06 | BenUrban | ah |
| 17:36.13 | rkr | No python would be like no LISP or no C...(^& |
| 17:37.02 | rkr | (Although my web/mail server does not have Python installed. But I didn't tell you that.) |
| 17:37.08 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:37.21 | bryjen | hmm, this workstation has no python either |
| 17:39.43 | JeffM2501 | good thing it's not your machine then :) |
| 17:39.50 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, building now |
| 17:39.51 | JeffM2501 | can't test |
| 17:39.59 | JeffM2501 | but it'll call playerkilled now |
| 17:40.02 | JeffM2501 | with the passed in flag |
| 17:40.08 | JeffM2501 | and killer ID |
| 17:40.51 | Grumbler | ok, i probably wont be able to get to test for real until friday afternoon.....unless i have to run another place and route |
| 17:41.32 | JeffM2501 | tomorow I won't be around much |
| 17:41.37 | JeffM2501 | satruday not much ether |
| 17:41.43 | JeffM2501 | sunday not at all, and no net. |
| 17:41.49 | JeffM2501 | monday... we'll see |
| 17:41.54 | bryjen | there's python packages in Slackware. Also, Fortran, Ada, Objective C.. I just didn't install them :) |
| 17:42.39 | Grumbler | JeffM2501< heh, sunday is my full clear day, so i should have something by monday |
| 17:44.07 | JeffM2501 | sunday I'm moving |
| 17:48.09 | Grumbler | again? |
| 17:48.29 | JeffM2501 | no, for the only time |
| 17:48.31 | Grumbler | didnt you just run cable/wire throughout a house |
| 17:48.40 | JeffM2501 | haven't moved there yet |
| 17:48.52 | Grumbler | ah, that would explain my confusion then |
| 17:49.03 | Grumbler | good luck, dont drop anything |
| 17:49.22 | JeffM2501 | heh, thanks :) |
| 17:51.32 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 17:51.32 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: don't auto check for python, it dosn't work anway |
| 17:51.32 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: change kill API function to take some more paramaters |
| 17:51.32 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: bump api version |
| 17:51.45 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to rebuild all plugins you use, after that change |
| 17:51.48 | JeffM2501 | old binarys won't load |
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| 17:54.35 | rkr | Hm. That python check (and anything similar)...is that a runtime check via dlopen() or similar, or is it a compile-time check? |
| 17:56.16 | rkr | (I.e., if I have python installed when I build bzflag, then deinstall python, will bzflag die horribly, or will it be copecetic(sp)? |
| 17:56.35 | Grumbler | JeffM2501< thx |
| 17:56.49 | BenUrban | or any like it |
| 17:57.31 | rkr | Beatnik type word from the 50's. It's all copecetic. I've never heard it well defined, but seems to mean something like "it's all cool". Possibly derives from the word "cope". |
| 17:57.43 | BenUrban | ah |
| 17:58.10 | rkr | I don't either. I don't even remember the 60's. |
| 17:58.15 | bryjen | its a bzfs plugin (python.so) that it's trying to autoload |
| 17:58.15 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:58.26 | bryjen | with dlopen |
| 17:58.30 | BenUrban | i don't remember anything befire the 80s |
| 17:58.36 | BenUrban | *before |
| 17:58.56 | rkr | I remember some stuff from the 70's. |
| 17:59.05 | BenUrban | ad even that stuff is a blur |
| 17:59.10 | BenUrban | *and |
| 17:59.13 | BenUrban | 90s too, mostly |
| 17:59.16 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:59.21 | rkr | Thanks, bryjen. |
| 17:59.41 | BenUrban | and i'm not so sure about this decade either :P |
| 17:59.50 | rkr | I was concerned that it might be desirable to add python to the package dependency list of bzflag. Sounds like it's not necessary. |
| 18:00.17 | rkr | I'd like to forget this decade, starting with the 2000 U.S. presidential elections. |
| 18:00.27 | BenUrban | we all would |
| 18:01.10 | rkr | Maybe I should join the French Foreign Legion. Do they still do that? |
| 18:01.34 | rkr | Or check into the Hotel California..."Some dance to remember; some dance to forget..." |
| 18:02.11 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, sure, allways good to see what the API needs. best way to fill it out is for people to use it:) |
| 18:02.21 | JeffM2501 | what I'd REALY like would be for plugins just to define flags |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM2501 | and just tell the client what it can do when it picks one up |
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| 18:02.50 | BenUrban | heh, that'll have to wait for bzflag 2.2 |
| 18:02.52 | BenUrban | or later |
| 18:02.56 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03galkire * 10bzflag/plugins/RogueGenocide/RogueGenocide.cpp: added globals for alias stuff |
| 18:03.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah at least a proto break |
| 18:03.10 | Grumbler | JeffM2501< that would be sweet, |
| 18:03.18 | JeffM2501 | or some other larger form of "split" ;) |
| 18:03.23 | BenUrban | lol |
| 18:03.28 | BenUrban | but... |
| 18:03.34 | BenUrban | oh wait nm |
| 18:03.36 | JeffM2501 | all goes along with my flags into attributes thing |
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| 18:15.34 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.19 | rkr | It took a while for that chorus, bryjen...(^& |
| 18:31.49 | brlcad | such a lovely place |
| 18:33.33 | Grumbler | such a lovely face |
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| 18:50.05 | bryjen | grrr. it doesn't want to give me +f G{25} |
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| 18:52.48 | xxxxxxxx | hx |
| 18:52.54 | xxxxxxxx | hyy |
| 18:59.11 | [T42]never | hy all |
| 19:07.57 | jpa- | it is "hi" |
| 19:08.00 | jpa- | nyt "hy" |
| 19:12.06 | [T42]never | hy |
| 19:12.07 | [T42]never | hi |
| 19:12.08 | [T42]never | hy |
| 19:12.08 | [T42]never | hi |
| 19:20.20 | bryjen | heh. you have to have a colored team with players =>2 to get geno flags :/ |
| 19:26.37 | bryjen | hrm. roguegeno doesn't seem to work. and shockwavedeath doesn't work when loaded with it. you can do that right? load more than one? |
| 19:27.12 | bryjen | ugh. segfaulting on ctrl-c again. |
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| 19:55.12 | bryjen | its load-order dependant :/ if I specify shockwavedeath first, it doesn't do them. roguegeno doesn't work either way |
| 19:59.24 | bryjen | all my test victims are bots... wonder if that makes any difference |
| 19:59.32 | Grumbler | it shouldnt |
| 19:59.44 | Grumbler | so long as they are rogue and you arent |
| 20:00.04 | Grumbler | unless they sign on as a different team number |
| 20:00.18 | bryjen | i was red, with one bot teammate and 4 rogue bots |
| 20:00.51 | Grumbler | note, you are the first to actually load the thing.....was i just happy to get it to compile last night :) |
| 20:01.40 | Grumbler | it could be the flag identifier |
| 20:01.45 | Grumbler | that would be the simple thing |
| 20:02.18 | bryjen | bryjen.bzflag.org:5154 if anyone's willing to test |
| 20:03.29 | BenUrban | careful now; they sting |
| 20:03.58 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah ok, whatever |
| 20:04.11 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, is it working? |
| 20:04.33 | Grumbler | wrong person to ask....i am looking at the check of the flag type |
| 20:04.53 | JeffM2501 | does the map allow Geno? |
| 20:05.06 | JeffM2501 | it will only generate shots of flags that are allowed |
| 20:06.01 | bryjen | i have geno flags on the map |
| 20:10.11 | JeffM2501 | what are you passing in for the flag? |
| 20:10.57 | Grumbler | hmmm, bryjen did you change the bz_killPlayer for Jeff's edits? |
| 20:11.06 | JeffM2501 | hmmm I see one problem in the find |
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| 20:11.27 | bryjen | cvs up'ed just a few minutes ago |
| 20:12.12 | JeffM2501 | let me do another commit |
| 20:12.22 | JeffM2501 | missig a couple temp std::string s |
| 20:13.10 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: don't use a char* when looking for a std::string in a map, they arn't the same thing. |
| 20:13.16 | JeffM2501 | try that |
| 20:14.43 | BenUrban | hey cool |
| 20:14.53 | BenUrban | they changed the windows update website |
| 20:14.55 | BenUrban | a few minutes ago |
| 20:15.03 | BenUrban | lol |
| 20:15.12 | BenUrban | one of my updates was interrupted by the change |
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| 20:16.20 | BenUrban | hm |
| 20:16.27 | BenUrban | ...or so i thought... |
| 20:16.39 | BenUrban | but the website is definitely different on that machine... |
| 20:16.45 | BenUrban | weird |
| 20:17.32 | JeffM2501 | grumbler, your plugin dosn't seem to use the new kill function |
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| 20:17.45 | Grumbler | yeah, i hadnt up dated it yet |
| 20:18.01 | Grumbler | i was just looking for the new definition |
| 20:18.49 | JeffM2501 | it's in the header |
| 20:18.54 | JeffM2501 | BZF_API bool bz_killPlayer ( int playeID, bool spawnOnBasem, int killerID = -1, const char* flagID = NULL ); |
| 20:18.58 | Grumbler | i am there now....editting |
| 20:18.58 | BenUrban | oh FINALLY |
| 20:19.11 | BenUrban | they integrated office update with windows update |
| 20:19.20 | JeffM2501 | thanks for sharing |
| 20:19.24 | BenUrban | you're welcome |
| 20:19.25 | BenUrban | lol |
| 20:20.24 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/RogueGenocide/ (RogueGenocide.def RogueGenocide.sln RogueGenocide.vcproj): if you are gonna do it, then go whole hog |
| 20:21.27 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:21.46 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/vc71/plugins.sln: add the new geno plugin to the main plugin build project |
| 20:22.47 | JeffM2501 | well if he has problems on it, and asks for help, I have to have a build system for it, don't I? |
| 20:23.27 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03galkire * 10bzflag/plugins/RogueGenocide/RogueGenocide.cpp: updated for new bz_killPlayer |
| 20:23.46 | Grumbler | heh.....why would i need all those other files if i am using linux make :) |
| 20:24.01 | JeffM2501 | you would not |
| 20:24.03 | JeffM2501 | I would |
| 20:24.14 | JeffM2501 | not all things are for you :) |
| 20:24.31 | JeffM2501 | tho I should make a script that makes all the plugins build on linux |
| 20:24.44 | JeffM2501 | on windows I have a root sln that builds all plugins |
| 20:24.50 | Grumbler | dang straight, just remember that BenUrban |
| 20:24.55 | BenUrban | yes, my master |
| 20:24.58 | JeffM2501 | so they can be put in the installer |
| 20:25.31 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, you do want everyone to get the plugin by default in 2.0.4 right? ;) |
| 20:25.37 | Grumbler | yep |
| 20:25.45 | JeffM2501 | you can't really break anything with plugins, they are there own entitys |
| 20:26.05 | bryjen | hmm /listplugins doesn't work. I'm admin via /password |
| 20:26.09 | Grumbler | can we make sure the plugin autoloads if DTRemenak joins |
| 20:26.23 | webriot | weather 57350 |
| 20:26.30 | rkr | I edidn't know that there was such a thing as "linux make". (^& |
| 20:26.31 | BenUrban | Grumbler: make a plugin to autoload it |
| 20:26.33 | BenUrban | :D |
| 20:26.34 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't even check for admin |
| 20:26.36 | bryjen | playerRecord->admin = player->accessInfo.isVerified(); <-- this doesn't seem correct |
| 20:27.00 | JeffM2501 | ohh at the top |
| 20:27.01 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 20:27.21 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, where is that? |
| 20:27.25 | JeffM2501 | in the api.cxx? |
| 20:27.33 | bryjen | src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx:542 |
| 20:28.10 | JeffM2501 | you are correct that is not right |
| 20:28.20 | DTRemenak | why should it check for admin? |
| 20:28.32 | JeffM2501 | load and unload are admin |
| 20:28.34 | JeffM2501 | list shoudl not be |
| 20:28.36 | JeffM2501 | standby |
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| 20:28.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 20:28.39 | DTRemenak | ok :) |
| 20:28.44 | webriot | ~weather SFRA |
| 20:28.47 | JeffM2501 | it's like a line was removed there |
| 20:28.54 | JeffM2501 | webriot, use /msg |
| 20:30.12 | bryjen | the record has a field for verified as well |
| 20:30.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:30.25 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfsAPI.cxx bzfsPlugins.cxx): |
| 20:30.26 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: admin and verified in API were screwed up |
| 20:30.26 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: /listplugins is for everyone not just admins |
| 20:30.39 | JeffM2501 | I musta copy/paste screwed up |
| 20:30.43 | JeffM2501 | that shoudl fix em both |
| 20:31.29 | JeffM2501 | it still leaves load and unload as admin tho |
| 20:31.34 | JeffM2501 | as I think it should be |
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| 20:46.30 | Ice_Wewe | hello |
| 20:46.39 | Ice_Wewe | what is a good editor for bzedit maps in linux? |
| 20:47.22 | Ice_Wewe | oh come on, someone was talking about one a few months ago! |
| 20:48.40 | meacan | Ice_Wewe: whatever you like? |
| 20:48.54 | meacan | Ice_Wewe: if you like emacs, use it :) if not use somethiing else :) |
| 20:48.56 | Ice_Wewe | can someone tell me what the editor was called |
| 20:49.03 | Ice_Wewe | it was GUI |
| 20:49.07 | Ice_Wewe | and in devel stage |
| 20:50.23 | Grumbler | Ice_Wewe< purple_cow was working on a python plugin for blender, not sure where that is right now |
| 20:50.46 | Ice_Wewe | Grumbler: this was something outside of BZFlag, something else |
| 20:51.08 | Grumbler | well, blender is outside of bzflag |
| 20:51.27 | Ice_Wewe | ok ok omk |
| 20:51.54 | Ice_Wewe | but still, there was this lovely GUI editor, that would accept BZEdit maps, the screen shot I saw was of Island hopping open in it! |
| 20:52.35 | BenUrban | try google |
| 20:52.58 | jpa- | louman made island hopping with wings 3d |
| 20:53.00 | Grumbler | where did you see the picture |
| 20:53.09 | Ice_Wewe | I forget |
| 20:53.14 | jpa- | exported to obj, and to bzw using modeltool |
| 20:53.38 | jpa- | but it doesn't accept BZflag maps |
| 20:53.49 | jpa- | you make a map with it, and then convert to obj |
| 20:53.52 | jpa- | not vice-versa |
| 20:53.52 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: clean up reply messages a bit |
| 20:53.56 | Ice_Wewe | no, not it |
| 20:54.23 | Grumbler | well, looks like you are on your own, because that is pretty much the group |
| 20:54.55 | jpa- | are you really really sure it wasn't wings 3d? |
| 20:55.00 | Ice_Wewe | jpa- this was another editor |
| 20:55.03 | Ice_Wewe | not wings 3d |
| 20:55.04 | trepan | lightwave |
| 20:55.12 | trepan | but he fixed his normals in wings3d |
| 20:55.14 | purple_cow | he probably saw that blender screenshot |
| 20:55.28 | jpa- | ah |
| 20:55.56 | bryjen | has there ever been a "good" GUI .bzw editor? a few people have poked at doing one, but they never seem to get far... |
| 20:56.29 | Ice_Wewe | not blender |
| 20:56.41 | Ice_Wewe | if it helps, the OS the screenshot was taken on was SuSE |
| 20:57.10 | BenUrban | SuSE never helps anything |
| 20:57.59 | purple_cow | http://david.navi.cx/bzedit/island-hopping.png <-- was that the screenshot? |
| 20:58.04 | Ice_Wewe | thats nice, but thats not my opint |
| 20:58.23 | Ice_Wewe | YES! |
| 20:58.26 | purple_cow | that's blender |
| 20:58.27 | BenUrban | lol |
| 20:58.35 | jpa- | :P |
| 20:58.45 | jpa- | erm |
| 20:59.03 | Ice_Wewe | what? |
| 20:59.10 | jpa- | i've never ever seen anyone claim blender has a "lovely gui" |
| 20:59.21 | BenUrban | lol |
| 20:59.24 | purple_cow | jpa-: blender *does* have a lovely gui ;) |
| 20:59.46 | purple_cow | it's just not a very intuitively learnable gui |
| 20:59.46 | Ice_Wewe | behold mandriva, it solved my dependicies |
| 20:59.57 | jpa- | purple_cow: well, yeah, after some using |
| 21:00.20 | Ice_Wewe | so can I just load the .map file into blender? |
| 21:00.32 | purple_cow | sort of |
| 21:00.52 | Ice_Wewe | ok, I got the sort, but you lost me on the of |
| 21:00.56 | purple_cow | Ice_Wewe: it's not usable right now, since (surprise!) i moved on to other things |
| 21:01.35 | Grumbler | Ice_Wewe< i hear if you pay purple_cow a salary he might be willing to do it |
| 21:01.54 | Ice_Wewe | so what your saying is that that screen shot is a fake? |
| 21:02.05 | purple_cow | Grumbler: depends on how much, but actually probably not |
| 21:02.07 | Ice_Wewe | I'll pay you 5 bucks |
| 21:02.10 | Ice_Wewe | take it or leafve it |
| 21:02.14 | bryjen | that map didn't start out as a .bzw |
| 21:02.35 | purple_cow | Ice_Wewe: no, that screenshot is real |
| 21:02.48 | Ice_Wewe | look, I just wanna know how I load a .map or .bzw into blender |
| 21:03.00 | JeffM2501 | you use the plugin he made |
| 21:03.09 | purple_cow | you put the import script in your blender scripts directory and select the import menu item |
| 21:03.20 | purple_cow | but once it's in blender, there's no export because i didn't get that far |
| 21:03.26 | purple_cow | so you can't use it to make maps |
| 21:03.44 | JeffM2501 | well you could export as obj, then convert back |
| 21:03.46 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 21:03.51 | JeffM2501 | some data would be lost probably |
| 21:03.53 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: eww |
| 21:04.02 | JeffM2501 | I didn't say it woudl be purdy :) |
| 21:04.13 | trepan | blender seems to lose normal info exporting to obj |
| 21:04.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it does |
| 21:04.39 | purple_cow | on the bright side, it could import the Mk3 complete with UV info ;) |
| 21:04.47 | JeffM2501 | whoot! |
| 21:05.00 | Ice_Wewe | so where is his plug in? |
| 21:05.29 | Ice_Wewe | basically what I'm looking for is a BZEdit replacement in linux thats better than a text editor |
| 21:05.31 | purple_cow | it's in subversion at http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/bzedit/ |
| 21:05.36 | Ice_Wewe | I want some GUI! |
| 21:05.39 | purple_cow | Ice_Wewe: this will not suit you then |
| 21:05.39 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, then blender isn't it |
| 21:05.46 | Ice_Wewe | then what? |
| 21:05.47 | Ice_Wewe | brb |
| 21:05.48 | JeffM2501 | it WILL NOT SAVE MAPS |
| 21:05.48 | purple_cow | at least, not unless you're willing to write a bunch of python to finish it up |
| 21:06.01 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, can you code? |
| 21:06.24 | JeffM2501 | well he said brb |
| 21:06.28 | JeffM2501 | so I'll give him till then :) |
| 21:07.09 | trepan | times up, the "no" stands |
| 21:07.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM2501 | maybe he's constipated |
| 21:08.36 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: no |
| 21:08.39 | trepan | hm, actually had a question for purple_cow, was wondering if he knew why 'solid' faces turn out smooth for blender 2.36 OBJ exports... |
| 21:08.58 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, then no there isn't anything that is "done" now that you can switch to |
| 21:08.59 | Ice_Wewe | and I'm not constipated |
| 21:09.03 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:09.14 | JeffM2501 | there is no clean linux bzedit solution |
| 21:09.17 | Ice_Wewe | well, what isn't "done" that I can switch too |
| 21:09.26 | JeffM2501 | nothing |
| 21:09.34 | JeffM2501 | there is a blender plugin that will IMPORT |
| 21:09.35 | JeffM2501 | only |
| 21:09.39 | Ice_Wewe | poo |
| 21:09.43 | JeffM2501 | there is the pybzedit |
| 21:09.49 | JeffM2501 | but it's not 2.0 |
| 21:09.50 | Ice_Wewe | is it that hard to write bzedit for linux? |
| 21:09.58 | JeffM2501 | it's just time |
| 21:10.00 | trepan | run it under Wine |
| 21:10.14 | Ice_Wewe | trepan: I would, but it is really messes! |
| 21:10.14 | trepan | (the windows emulator) |
| 21:10.16 | JeffM2501 | there is that one guy who fixed up the older bzedit for Gnome |
| 21:10.17 | Ice_Wewe | messed* |
| 21:10.35 | JeffM2501 | you have options, you jsut don't like them :) |
| 21:10.49 | Ice_Wewe | how did he get it working for gnome?!?!?! |
| 21:10.53 | JeffM2501 | and no, it's not that "hard" it's just noone cares enough to finish it |
| 21:11.03 | bryjen | hmm still no killy rogues |
| 21:11.04 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, linux bzedit has allways worked in gnome |
| 21:11.12 | JeffM2501 | he just fixed it to work in current gnome |
| 21:11.13 | Ice_Wewe | where do I get this linux bzedit?! |
| 21:11.21 | JeffM2501 | search the forums |
| 21:11.26 | JeffM2501 | I think he called bzfedit |
| 21:11.27 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 21:11.37 | JeffM2501 | it's based off of purple_cow's older bzeditor |
| 21:12.00 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have any 2.0 features tho |
| 21:12.07 | JeffM2501 | no meshes |
| 21:12.10 | JeffM2501 | no groups |
| 21:12.16 | JeffM2501 | no phydrivers |
| 21:13.09 | Ice_Wewe | where do I download bzfedit?! |
| 21:13.13 | JeffM2501 | http://www.bzfed.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=5 |
| 21:13.44 | JeffM2501 | so you can't do a simple forum search? |
| 21:13.50 | Ice_Wewe | don't care, so its like bzedit now? |
| 21:14.03 | JeffM2501 | if you don't care why should we? |
| 21:14.07 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I DID, there was no link in it, so sorry I can't find it |
| 21:14.10 | JeffM2501 | it is what it is |
| 21:14.16 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3205&highlight=bzfed |
| 21:14.22 | JeffM2501 | I guess you didn't look very hard |
| 21:14.28 | Ice_Wewe | :P |
| 21:14.30 | Ice_Wewe | did too |
| 21:14.39 | JeffM2501 | then why did you not find that post |
| 21:14.44 | JeffM2501 | that is marked as ANOUCMENT |
| 21:14.56 | JeffM2501 | and at the top of the bedit forum? |
| 21:15.11 | JeffM2501 | it is bzedit |
| 21:15.13 | JeffM2501 | for linux |
| 21:15.18 | JeffM2501 | just like it's allways been |
| 21:15.26 | bryjen | src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx:2800: dieEvent.flagKilledWith = flagType->label(); <-- I think that's more than just CL for cloak, or G for geno, like Grumbler's checking for :( |
| 21:15.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah the label will have the description |
| 21:17.15 | JeffM2501 | hmm wonder where to get just the letter |
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| 21:17.36 | bryjen | Abbv? |
| 21:17.47 | JeffM2501 | is that part of the flagType ? |
| 21:17.49 | bryjen | gah, flagAbbv |
| 21:17.57 | JeffM2501 | give it a shot :) |
| 21:18.12 | Birdie | is it possible that its a bug that if you are tk'd in a match and you dont spawn before the flag is captured, you dont spawn in your base? |
| 21:18.21 | bryjen | Ok, I'll try |
| 21:18.25 | Birdie | but on any possible place in the map |
| 21:18.46 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, anything is posible :) |
| 21:18.56 | Birdie | well it just happened |
| 21:18.58 | Birdie | :) |
| 21:19.10 | JeffM2501 | the spawn on base is set when you die |
| 21:19.15 | Birdie | i know the ~pw thing but ya.. |
| 21:19.15 | JeffM2501 | so it does make sense |
| 21:19.21 | JeffM2501 | you dide from a non flag cap event |
| 21:19.23 | Birdie | but a tk is dying to |
| 21:19.30 | JeffM2501 | so your "spawn on base" was set to "false" |
| 21:20.03 | JeffM2501 | spawn on base is only set to true when you die from a flag cap event, IIRC |
| 21:20.13 | Birdie | or from a normal kill |
| 21:20.14 | JeffM2501 | when you die from being shot, do you spawn on base? |
| 21:20.19 | Birdie | yes |
| 21:20.19 | JeffM2501 | ahh you do |
| 21:20.20 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:20.23 | Birdie | but when you are tk'd you dont |
| 21:20.26 | JeffM2501 | well then it's probalby just set to fakse |
| 21:20.28 | Birdie | (at least not today:) ) |
| 21:20.36 | JeffM2501 | that does sound like a bug |
| 21:21.22 | Birdie | i dont know if i made you happy with saying the devs have even more work again.. |
| 21:21.28 | BenUrban | sonofabitch |
| 21:21.30 | BenUrban | so THAT's why my connection keeps getting reset |
| 21:21.30 | Birdie | but at least you know the bug now:) |
| 21:21.32 | BenUrban | ip conflict :( |
| 21:21.40 | BenUrban | ...a conflict with the default gateway |
| 21:21.42 | BenUrban | sigh |
| 21:22.11 | JeffM2501 | again BenUrban thanks for sharing |
| 21:22.16 | JeffM2501 | my day is now complete |
| 21:22.41 | BenUrban | again, you're welcome |
| 21:23.18 | JeffM2501 | hmm tk just calls a kill, not a base kill |
| 21:23.55 | Birdie | i checked 5 times in the logs, the guy was tk'd before the capture, and he spawned like meters away from his base |
| 21:24.07 | Birdie | so for some reason it doesnt see it as a norma kill |
| 21:24.09 | Birdie | normal |
| 21:24.16 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't |
| 21:24.18 | JeffM2501 | TK is a special case |
| 21:24.24 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking at the code now |
| 21:24.57 | Birdie | it propably wont go by doing IF a tk + flagcap, then you spawn in base(but with technical coding:) ) |
| 21:25.01 | bryjen | yeay! |
| 21:25.57 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/TODO: post-protocol-break todo reminder - split the hunter team away from rogue. |
| 21:28.55 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: make flagKilledWith just the abbreviation |
| 21:30.00 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, I just fixed it |
| 21:30.25 | Birdie | ty |
| 21:30.30 | JeffM2501 | fixed it in the API, so that plugins can kill via weapon and restart on base too |
| 21:30.31 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 21:30.31 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: make playerKill use the spawn on base thingy |
| 21:30.31 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: make TKs respawn on base if they die in a team game |
| 21:30.55 | Birdie | but i wont notice it? because its only in the next release? |
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| 21:31.48 | JeffM2501 | it would be on any server that updates |
| 21:32.00 | Birdie | well thats the problem..that server doesnt want |
| 21:32.00 | JeffM2501 | to ether CVS or to 2.0.4 |
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| 21:32.08 | JeffM2501 | it's a server only thing |
| 21:32.11 | JeffM2501 | not a client thing |
| 21:32.21 | Birdie | he doesnt want to update cause of segfaults |
| 21:32.23 | JeffM2501 | then I can't help you anymore if they don't want to upgrade |
| 21:32.24 | Grumbler | bummer, i thought it would be something like that |
| 21:32.27 | JeffM2501 | bbiab |
| 21:32.44 | bryjen | if DTRemenak would hurry up and get 2.0.4 out ;) |
| 21:32.47 | DTRemenak | segfaults? |
| 21:33.14 | Birdie | http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?s=2086d7ce7b5e814a9abe6ff8b57599a4&showtopic=11198 |
| 21:33.18 | Birdie | post of gsl |
| 21:34.31 | Birdie | some one explained me earlyer on the day what segfault is..but because it was a bit technic talk i forgot |
| 21:35.26 | DTRemenak | memory segmentation fault...basically when a process tries to use memory that hasn't been allocated to it |
| 21:35.37 | DTRemenak | usually buffer overrun |
| 21:35.39 | BearPerson | trying to either read or write to a memory address that it hasn't reserved |
| 21:35.47 | DTRemenak | but can be many other things |
| 21:35.47 | bryjen | invalid pointers |
| 21:35.52 | BearPerson | or using a pointer that has never been set and still points to 0 |
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| 21:37.24 | rkr | That "someone" was me. (^& |
| 21:37.48 | Birdie | sorry i forgot your name:( |
| 21:37.48 | rkr | (Well, I think someone else chimed in...) I tried to avoid being too technical. It basically means that your program died because it did something very bad. |
| 21:37.58 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 21:38.19 | DTRemenak | that description is accurate, but imprecise :) |
| 21:38.30 | rkr | (Something that the programmer could almost certainly have avoided with care. (^&) |
| 21:38.45 | rkr | Well, yes. I wasn't sure what he wanted from the definition. |
| 21:40.15 | brlcad | "it crashed" |
| 21:40.16 | rkr | From a certain point of view, that's all you need to know. Unless you intend to fix the problem yourself, you can kind of stop with that definition, I think. |
| 21:40.18 | DTRemenak | Birdie: I don't have a gu forum account and that person does not have an email listed. could you tell him that we would very much like to know what made it segfault so we can fix it? a backtrace or the last couple lines of log would be very helpful |
| 21:41.02 | rkr | "It crashed, but not because of an OS or hardware problem; the program had an internal problem." |
| 21:41.09 | rkr | (Probably.) |
| 21:41.15 | DTRemenak | rkr: segfaults can be kernel-caused :) |
| 21:41.24 | rkr | ("(Probably.)") |
| 21:41.33 | rkr | (^& |
| 21:41.53 | Birdie | DTRemenak: he has a bzbb account, nick "gsl" |
| 21:42.11 | DTRemenak | in windows 98 kernel32 would sometimes choose to overwrite random segments of application memory if you pushed it right :) |
| 21:42.20 | Birdie | you will send or I will? |
| 21:42.45 | DTRemenak | I will |
| 21:42.55 | rkr | Um, but those would give GPF's or some such, not segfaults, DTRemenak. As far as I know, segfault, per se, is a UNIX term...yes? |
| 21:43.15 | DTRemenak | rkr: GPF is much broader |
| 21:43.36 | rkr | (Windows 98 will do all kinds of cwazy things if you push it "right". (^&) |
| 21:43.38 | DTRemenak | and yeah, it would be "pagefault" but it's the same d* thing |
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| 21:43.41 | Birdie | ~rkr++ |
| 21:43.46 | Birdie | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 21:44.01 | rkr | (^& |
| 21:44.16 | Birdie | you helped me! |
| 21:44.18 | rkr | Okay, I'll cede the issue. I never saw MS-Windows do any more than a GPF. |
| 21:44.21 | Birdie | jeff to but he has karma enough:) |
| 21:44.29 | rkr | (nod) Thanks, Birdie. (^& |
| 21:44.40 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: change this here too |
| 21:44.45 | DTRemenak | rkr: pagefaults usually triggered BSOD events |
| 21:45.04 | DTRemenak | if not immediately then within a couple minutes |
| 21:45.20 | rkr | Hm...I can only remember seeing BSOD once. On a graduate student office 'puter back in kansas. |
| 21:45.59 | rkr | Oh, and there's the X screen blanker that recreates the affectionate system-crash notices, such as Guru Meditation numbers, Mac bombs, BSODs, ... |
| 21:46.47 | rkr | But i only used '95, '98, and XP much. Aren't BSODs NTisms? |
| 21:47.56 | bryjen | 9x had them. 2K and XP being NT 5.0 and 5.1 have them. |
| 21:48.14 | rkr | Really? Huh. never saw'em. |
| 21:48.30 | rkr | Lucky me. (^& |
| 21:48.45 | DTRemenak | I could get bzflag to trigger a BSOD with a little modified screenshot code... |
| 21:49.18 | bryjen | they're a different fomat from 9x to NT, but they're still textual fatal error messages on a blue background |
| 21:49.37 | rkr | (I thought that NT 5.x was 2000/2003, and XP was the continuation of 95->98->ME->XP... Though i obviously am not an MS fan and don't really pay much attention to them.) |
| 21:49.44 | brlcad | DTRemenak: that's just wrong :) |
| 21:49.44 | DTRemenak | on 2k it just says "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be sentenced to a federal penitentary." |
| 21:49.54 | DTRemenak | or something like that |
| 21:49.55 | rkr | Heh. |
| 21:50.18 | bryjen | nope, XP is NT. ME was the last of the dos-9x line |
| 21:50.26 | DTRemenak | XP is 2k + some junk from ME + Luna |
| 21:50.28 | rkr | "This program has performend an illegal operation during execution and will be incarcerated..." Way to get out of a death sentence. |
| 21:50.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:51.37 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (GUIOptionsMenu.cxx ScoreboardRenderer.cxx): warnings |
| 21:51.39 | rkr | I could get '98 to die on me with a commercial audio editing program, pretty reliably. Probably low memory issues (only 128MB of physical RAM; maybe a gig or 3 of swap, but the audio should never have been more than about 300MB...) |
| 21:52.07 | DTRemenak | '98 is very easy to kill :) nice thing is it booted fast if it was configured right |
| 21:52.09 | rkr | (Same program ran much better for someone with a machine with more memory.) |
| 21:52.46 | rkr | '95 actually committed suicide on me once upon a time...I installed a game that my brother gave me for Christmas in...'98? '99? |
| 21:53.05 | rkr | During the install, it complained about something, so I popped the disk out and back in and it reinstalled hunky-dory. |
| 21:53.25 | rkr | Then it said, "You've changed your seating position, and the computer needs to reboot because '95 can't cope with it otherwise." |
| 21:53.29 | rkr | So I said "Okay." |
| 21:53.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:53.41 | rkr | It rebooted telling me that a system file was corrupt. |
| 21:54.05 | rkr | After that, it alternated between failing to boot (system file corrupt) and booting to safe mode (computer didn't shut down properly last time). |
| 21:54.20 | rkr | Fortunately, I was already dual-booting it and mostly kept MS around for a couple of games. |
| 21:54.52 | rkr | But I didn't ever fix the MS partition. My brother tried to return the game, but the store wouldn't take it, so he gave it to someone else. |
| 21:55.53 | rkr | Okay, I need to get out and get some "fresh air" in the "3D" world. I've got my glasses on, so I'm set. Take care. |
| 21:55.57 | DTRemenak | it's actually fairly easy to fix 95/98 though...you can access everything from a dos disk and everything is relatively simple |
| 21:56.11 | DTRemenak | if 2k can't boot you basically have to reinstall it |
| 21:56.32 | rkr | (I accessed everything from my NetBSD partition. I just couldn't be bothered to fix the system. I didn't really use it for anything at that point.) |
| 21:56.32 | DTRemenak | rkr: bzflag is 3D, what are you talking about :) |
| 21:57.09 | rkr | DTRemenak: I don't know. I've just heard that there's stuff "out there". THey say you can't get it on the computer monitor. |
| 21:57.24 | DTRemenak | I don't believe it for a minute |
| 21:57.42 | rkr | (shrug) I am skeptical as well, but I'm willing to give it a try. |
| 21:57.54 | rkr | Besides, there might be beer involved...(^& |
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| 22:11.05 | JeffM2501 | where victory != 64 bit code compliance |
| 22:11.52 | purple_cow | wow |
| 22:12.01 | JeffM2501 | it should not break anything |
| 22:12.02 | purple_cow | not only does it build, but you didn't even introduce any warnings |
| 22:12.07 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:12.12 | JeffM2501 | I try |
| 22:12.23 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl have less warnings now I hope |
| 22:12.24 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/mediafile/PNGImageFile.cxx: freaking off-by-one bugs... |
| 22:12.31 | JeffM2501 | I took out that "overide malloc" crap |
| 22:12.35 | JeffM2501 | cus windows did NOT like that |
| 22:17.04 | JeffM2501 | they basicly had malloc free and the like defined as 'extern' |
| 22:17.12 | JeffM2501 | and windows is like "dude those are in a DLL, you can't extern them" |
| 22:17.16 | purple_cow | ow |
| 22:18.52 | JeffM2501 | so I just cleaned it up, and took care of a lot of the cast warnings |
| 22:18.59 | JeffM2501 | VC71 is picky about casting now |
| 22:19.22 | JeffM2501 | tho I didn't fix the pointer warnings |
| 22:19.31 | JeffM2501 | for 64 big portability |
| 22:20.12 | purple_cow | one of us should probably do that at some point |
| 22:20.38 | JeffM2501 | I can |
| 22:20.45 | JeffM2501 | there were only like 15 of em |
| 22:20.56 | JeffM2501 | the rest of the code is fine with it |
| 22:21.03 | JeffM2501 | it's just that tomcrypt crap |
| 22:21.05 | purple_cow | hopefully we haven't introduced any bugs. i don't think i'm capable of debugging tomcrypt |
| 22:21.27 | JeffM2501 | it is the cuthulu of code, you'll go insane if you try to understand it |
| 22:22.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you should see this code before you comment |
| 22:22.26 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:22.31 | DTRemenak | if it's that bad why do you use it? |
| 22:22.42 | JeffM2501 | because TNL uses it |
| 22:22.47 | JeffM2501 | we don't have to use it directly |
| 22:23.16 | DTRemenak | ok, lemme rephrase...if it's that bad, why does TNL use it? |
| 22:23.24 | JeffM2501 | because they are freaks |
| 22:23.41 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:26.31 | JeffM2501 | it compiles now, just have to turn off the VC71 "detect 64 bit portability issues" in it's lib |
| 22:27.15 | JeffM2501 | TNL does a lot with specific type sizes to pack data, so when they add them up to make offsets and asign them to pointers the compiler gets freaked out |
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| 22:35.20 | purple_cow | hmm. so now, the question is, do i work on work or screamers? |
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| 22:46.22 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org |
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| 22:50.02 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, is the TNL API "ok" enough? |
| 22:50.21 | JeffM2501 | oh and can you look at the sample map, is that more like what you had in mind? |
| 22:51.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, way to tell the jpeg texture guy :) |
| 22:51.39 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: heh :) |
| 22:51.51 | DTRemenak | your post was quite good too :) |
| 22:52.01 | JeffM2501 | did you like the visual aids? |
| 22:52.04 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 22:52.12 | JeffM2501 | I had to increase the attachment limit for that one :) |
| 22:52.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:52.41 | JeffM2501 | now if we did dss textures :) |
| 22:52.49 | DTRemenak | dss? |
| 22:52.49 | JeffM2501 | that could be another story |
| 22:53.01 | JeffM2501 | a compressed texture format |
| 22:53.06 | JeffM2501 | if I got it spelled right |
| 22:53.26 | JeffM2501 | there is an ARB extension that some cards use to support in memory compressed textures |
| 22:53.39 | JeffM2501 | basicly the card does the decompression when it reads |
| 22:53.51 | DTRemenak | wikipedia gets nothing useful for dss |
| 22:54.03 | JeffM2501 | my bad DDS |
| 22:54.33 | DTRemenak | nothing interesting there either |
| 22:54.37 | JeffM2501 | This sample demonstrates how to use ARB_texture_compression to load .dds compressed texture files. The benefits of using compressed textures is clearly shown by loading two identical textures (512 x 512) for comparison. One is a regular .bmp texture, and the other is a .dds file which uses DXT1 compression. With very little change in image quality, the compressed texture file not only reduces the file size down from 768.0 KB to 170 |
| 22:54.37 | JeffM2501 | .0 KB, but also includes compressed mip-map levels. |
| 22:54.56 | JeffM2501 | it uses |
| 22:54.57 | JeffM2501 | glCompressedTexImage2DARB |
| 22:54.58 | DTRemenak | more useful stuff on google |
| 22:55.36 | JeffM2501 | was started on DirectX, then moved into GL when it was found to actualy work :) |
| 22:55.53 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: from what i've figured out, the API looks pretty good |
| 22:56.01 | DTRemenak | ahh, st3c |
| 22:56.07 | purple_cow | it's a little poor on the example code |
| 22:56.12 | DTRemenak | err s3tc |
| 22:56.27 | purple_cow | the tnltest thing is actually 4 examples, all #ifdef'ed together =P |
| 22:56.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it's got a couple names |
| 22:56.43 | DTRemenak | yeah, I've only heard of it as s3tc though |
| 22:56.46 | JeffM2501 | ok they are now oficialy insane |
| 22:56.57 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, is it worth figthing thru it? |
| 22:57.16 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yeah, i think so |
| 22:57.24 | purple_cow | it's got a lot of really handy features, like scoped updating |
| 22:57.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, software systems, and older GL would have 0 support for it, so we'd have to still ship real textures |
| 22:57.55 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: or detect when it's not available and do the decompression ourselves |
| 22:57.57 | JeffM2501 | so all it woudl by us would be cases where we have a scene with lots of textures, taking less ram |
| 22:58.01 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah |
| 22:58.11 | JeffM2501 | bzflag scenes just arn't THAT comiplex |
| 22:58.15 | DTRemenak | yeah :) |
| 22:58.16 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, ok |
| 22:58.33 | JeffM2501 | at that point we'd have to do more then just Bind em all |
| 22:58.57 | JeffM2501 | the term "pipeline" would be involved |
| 22:59.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:59.13 | DTRemenak | probably need an "engine" too :) |
| 22:59.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:59.23 | JeffM2501 | software would be dead dead |
| 22:59.29 | bryjen | crazy talk |
| 22:59.36 | JeffM2501 | since there would be no way for it to cope with that much data |
| 23:00.18 | DTRemenak | it would be dead with that level of scene complexity no matter what we used to display it :) |
| 23:00.35 | JeffM2501 | the faq would read like this; Q) loman's last map runs like crap, what can I do. A) go to www.nvidia.com, find the bigest number card, and buy it. |
| 23:00.41 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 23:01.03 | DTRemenak | and if you already have it, get another one and use sli |
| 23:01.19 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:01.25 | JeffM2501 | q) I run linux on my toaster, and can't get drivers for nvidia cards. A) sucks to be you. |
| 23:02.35 | JeffM2501 | wonder how much SLI can speed up our simple little GEO |
| 23:02.48 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: did you see the latest ogre screenshots? |
| 23:02.53 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:03.02 | purple_cow | http://ogre3d.org/index.php?set_albumName=album24&option=com_gallery&Itemid=55&include=view_album.php |
| 23:03.14 | JeffM2501 | that's purdy |
| 23:03.18 | JeffM2501 | gotta love shaders |
| 23:03.39 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'd guess that on just about any map you'll max your cpu before the second gpu would make a difference |
| 23:03.42 | JeffM2501 | now your job is to make a hover pod swoop over that scene |
| 23:03.46 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:03.55 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, probably |
| 23:04.03 | JeffM2501 | tho I'll have 2 CPU cores :) |
| 23:04.31 | DTRemenak | and it won't make a difference because bz is single-threaded :) |
| 23:04.45 | JeffM2501 | I'll have fun when I can use the particle editor :) |
| 23:04.56 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I think we need to convince DTRemenak to do our menus for us :) |
| 23:05.03 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: oh? |
| 23:05.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah he's cool |
| 23:05.22 | JeffM2501 | he can handle it :) |
| 23:05.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:05.40 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 23:05.41 | JeffM2501 | http://ogre3d.org/index.php?set_albumName=album14&id=screenshot_a1&option=com_gallery&Itemid=55&include=view_photo.php |
| 23:05.51 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: you're getting ahead of ourselves! |
| 23:05.57 | purple_cow | we can't work on the menus until we have a cool cool logo! |
| 23:06.06 | DTRemenak | ooh...a logo |
| 23:06.10 | JeffM2501 | you havn't had scanline make the logo? |
| 23:06.15 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, wana make a logo? |
| 23:06.19 | purple_cow | he's outta town |
| 23:06.24 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I suck at that sort of thing :) |
| 23:06.33 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 23:06.34 | DTRemenak | you want a cool cool logo not a sucky logo |
| 23:06.39 | JeffM2501 | maybe saturos can make one |
| 23:06.44 | DTRemenak | THERE you go! |
| 23:06.46 | JeffM2501 | he's the art master |
| 23:06.59 | JeffM2501 | he's gone asleep tho |
| 23:07.08 | purple_cow | scanline does some pretty ace work whenever he gets the urge to play with blender or inkscape |
| 23:07.32 | JeffM2501 | just use a "mehh" for now |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | like http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/mehh9.png |
| 23:08.20 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.31 | purple_cow | looks like a kde app :P |
| 23:08.31 | JeffM2501 | 14 is probalby better tho |
| 23:08.35 | JeffM2501 | has ninja star action |
| 23:08.40 | JeffM2501 | hence why it was never used |
| 23:09.21 | JeffM2501 | techincaly screamers had a logo |
| 23:09.25 | JeffM2501 | was the power symbol |
| 23:09.45 | DTRemenak | that was just odd |
| 23:09.51 | JeffM2501 | it was |
| 23:10.07 | purple_cow | huh |
| 23:10.08 | purple_cow | that's cute |
| 23:10.10 | purple_cow | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/something_else.png |
| 23:10.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh yeah |
| 23:10.32 | JeffM2501 | playing with pod mods :) |
| 23:12.03 | purple_cow | i really like the mk3 |
| 23:12.03 | JeffM2501 | that one looked too much like a plane tho |
| 23:12.10 | purple_cow | could still use more polys, though ;) |
| 23:12.10 | JeffM2501 | so do I |
| 23:12.19 | JeffM2501 | only 1 thing I think I don't like is, the cockpit |
| 23:12.28 | JeffM2501 | well it's mostly flat shapes |
| 23:12.36 | JeffM2501 | so they just don't "Get" more faces :) |
| 23:12.50 | JeffM2501 | I don't like the fact that it dosn't have intakes |
| 23:13.11 | DTRemenak | I could see a torpedo launcher underneath that pod :) |
| 23:13.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah so I could I |
| 23:13.21 | JeffM2501 | I like the overal shape |
| 23:13.25 | JeffM2501 | I like the back end |
| 23:13.53 | DTRemenak | the fins are cool...makes it look mean :) |
| 23:14.10 | JeffM2501 | I tried this |
| 23:14.11 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/models/Mk%204/Mk4.png |
| 23:14.17 | JeffM2501 | but didn't like that cockipit eather |
| 23:15.28 | JeffM2501 | for a tank, I liked the blue one |
| 23:17.29 | JeffM2501 | tho we'll have to work the red one in for purple_cow |
| 23:18.13 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:18.38 | brlcad | beautiful vehicle |
| 23:19.02 | JeffM2501 | does it float like a buterfly and move like a boat? |
| 23:19.51 | brlcad | stings like a bee |
| 23:20.08 | DTRemenak | owie |
| 23:20.28 | JeffM2501 | I think the mk3 needs a license plate on the back, isntead of that long flat engine |
| 23:20.53 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 23:21.19 | JeffM2501 | basicly make that pack part be like a bunch of cooling fins, or maybe a bumper, with a plate in the middle |
| 23:22.28 | DTRemenak | hmmm...print the callsign on the plate :) |
| 23:24.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:24.58 | JeffM2501 | or maybe just a real license plate |
| 23:25.06 | JeffM2501 | limit them to 7 characters :) |
| 23:25.17 | JeffM2501 | tnkmstr |
| 23:25.35 | JeffM2501 | iluvbz |
| 23:25.41 | JeffM2501 | that kinda stuff |
| 23:26.14 | JeffM2501 | ilik3.14 |
| 23:26.32 | DTRemenak | if you did a euro-style plate it could be much longer |
| 23:27.01 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 23:27.11 | JeffM2501 | hmm you could tie it into player auth |
| 23:27.18 | JeffM2501 | and make the plate be your actual ID number |
| 23:27.25 | JeffM2501 | and you could request custom plates |
| 23:27.30 | JeffM2501 | for a small donation :) |
| 23:28.21 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:29.23 | JeffM2501 | make it so you get bumper stickers based on your ranking in the comunity |
| 23:29.29 | JeffM2501 | and you can chose what ones to apply |
| 23:29.47 | JeffM2501 | "my other pod is an el camino" |
| 23:30.52 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:31.37 | JeffM2501 | "what would Tim Riker do" |
| 23:32.31 | brlcad | "patches welcome" |
| 23:33.01 | JeffM2501 | "I brake for IRIX" |
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| 23:33.21 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:33.26 | DTRemenak | "I brake for BeOS" :) |
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| 23:37.25 | blast007_work | "It was lag, honest!" ;) |
| 23:38.15 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.47 | JeffM2501 | it has actual 3d modeled exausts and nozzles |
| 23:45.26 | purple_cow | instead of textures? |
| 23:46.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:46.20 | JeffM2501 | and a higher poly count :) |
| 23:46.37 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/models/Mk%204/Mk4.png |
| 23:46.42 | JeffM2501 | the rest of it I don't like |
