irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050617

`00:01.25`	`*** join/#bzflag bz1523 (~d030c7dd@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`00:04.09`	`*** join/#bzflag triclops (~triclops@c211-31-49-112.rivrw7.nsw.optusnet.com.au)`
`00:10.51`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@JeffM2501.sustaining.supporter.pdpc)`
`00:10.51`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`00:11.40`	`*** join/#bzflag triclops (~triclops@c211-31-49-112.rivrw7.nsw.optusnet.com.au)`
`00:13.42`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, where should I place the evil?`
`00:15.17`	`purple_cow`	`hmm`
`00:17.07`	`purple_cow`	`navi-misc is probably easiest`
`00:17.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I still have an acount I think`
`00:18.12`	`rkr`	`Put the evil in a safe deposit box for use later.`
`00:18.24`	`purple_cow`	`don't touch it! it's evil!`
`00:18.42`	`rkr`	`But it looks all sparkly. Can I touch it a little?`
`00:19.38`	`rkr`	`If only you knew the pow-wahr...`
`00:21.01`	`JeffM2501`	`midgets!`
`00:21.07`	`JeffM2501`	`the URL for it change`
`00:21.15`	`JeffM2501`	`or is it still misc/trunk/?`
`00:22.22`	`JeffM2501`	`bah I still had the colorado.edu part :)`
`00:22.27`	`purple_cow`	`/svn/misc/trunk, but it's being mighty slow`
`00:22.48`	`purple_cow`	`colorado.edu? always use navi.cx :)`
`00:22.52`	`JeffM2501`	`wana set svn up on mybo?`
`00:23.14`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, it has been a LONG while since I did it from here, it was just in the chache`
`00:24.57`	`JeffM2501`	`wow slow is right`
`00:25.02`	`JeffM2501`	`could put it in OC`
`00:25.08`	`JeffM2501`	`or ogf`
`00:25.44`	`purple_cow`	`i don't think "slow" adequately describes what's going on...`
`00:25.46`	`purple_cow`	`this is bizzare`
`00:26.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I think "busted" is the best word`
`00:26.36`	`shorty114`	`heh`
`00:27.17`	`purple_cow`	`ugh, i certainly hope not`
`00:29.53`	`JeffM2501`	`"could not open the request SVN file system"`
`00:30.23`	`purple_cow`	`there we go`
`00:30.24`	`purple_cow`	`working again`
`00:33.10`	`purple_cow`	`"jeffm"`
`00:33.33`	`JeffM2501`	`whohhhooo`
`00:34.20`	`JeffM2501`	`not that it does anything yet`
`00:34.26`	`shorty114`	`yay bzadmin works`
`00:51.19`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1)`
`01:31.20`	`*** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@DHCP-170-84.caltech.edu)`
`01:31.20`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ`
`01:39.03`	`*** join/#bzflag spldart (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com)`
`01:40.52`	`spldart`	`Just a note for the server owners... A user that might belong to Jeff's Azzhat group except he's not registered... Floppy Johnson. He may not be much of a problem user but he's an azzhat and doesn't obey server rules....`
`01:41.05`	`spldart`	`Again.. Just a note for server operators to look out for.`
`01:41.32`	`*** join/#bzflag creeperz (~Meatwad@host-206-138-230-24.midco.net)`
`01:44.26`	`purple_cow`	`azz?`
`01:44.34`	`*** join/#bzflag spldart (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com)`
`01:46.26`	`bryjen`	`hatz`
`01:47.19`	`bryjen`	`its bzbb.asshats`
`01:48.14`	`spldart`	`ic`
`01:48.44`	`spldart`	`well.. this asshat came in and cussed me out at the wrong time. I'm already pissy :(`
`01:49.13`	`shorty114`	`haha "azzhatz"`
`01:50.06`	`bryjen`	`burros con sombreros`
`01:50.28`	`shorty114`	`~x es en burros con sombreros`
`01:50.35`	`shorty114`	`ah haha`
`01:51.43`	`bryjen`	`donno if donkey has the same connotation in spanish though`
`01:52.37`	`shorty114`	`asnos con sombreros`
`01:52.43`	`shorty114`	`according to ibot`
`01:53.18`	`bryjen`	`eh.`
`02:16.56`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@JeffM2501.sustaining.supporter.pdpc)`
`02:16.57`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`02:20.53`	`shorty114`	`hi JeffM2501`
`02:21.17`	`JeffM2501`	`hi`
`02:25.39`	`*** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-164-235-83.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net)`
`02:30.32`	`shorty114`	`JeffM2501, i'm about to send the fax`
`02:31.18`	`shorty114`	`sending`
`02:31.43`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`02:31.49`	`shorty114`	`sent`
`02:31.51`	`JeffM2501`	`then make an account`
`02:32.05`	`rkr`	`~azzhat`
`02:32.14`	`shorty114`	`can i use my old "loser" account? renamed to shorty114?`
`02:32.24`	`rkr`	`What is an 'azzhat'?`
`02:32.34`	`JeffM2501`	`if it's still active sure`
`02:32.54`	`shorty114`	`i think you deactivated it`
`02:33.14`	`JeffM2501`	`if it was coppa`
`02:33.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I probably deleted it`
`02:33.26`	`shorty114`	`oh`
`02:33.34`	`JeffM2501`	`since we can't STORE anything for youi`
`02:34.19`	`shorty114`	`hmm don't think you deleted it`
`02:34.28`	`shorty114`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1751`
`02:34.29`	`JeffM2501`	`nope`
`02:34.31`	`JeffM2501`	`activated`
`02:34.32`	`shorty114`	`it isn't "Anonymous"`
`02:34.35`	`shorty114`	`thanks`
`02:35.15`	`shorty114`	`username loser?`
`02:35.33`	`shorty114`	`nvm i used another password`
`02:37.06`	`shorty114`	`haha i had 2 pms that were almost a year old and unread`
`02:37.14`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ok`
`02:51.21`	`shorty114`	`stupid global login`
`02:51.24`	`shorty114`	`now i don't have cop on viper`
`02:51.39`	`shorty114`	`and when i actually need to use it...`
`02:52.11`	`shorty114`	`is there a WHOIS equivilent in bzadmin?`
`02:53.02`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`02:53.19`	`shorty114`	`hmm`
`02:53.20`	`JeffM2501`	`get viper to add you to his cop group`
`02:53.30`	`shorty114`	`GI JOE is being an asshat`
`02:53.42`	`JeffM2501`	`shorty114, that's nice`
`02:53.57`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, untill I throw my hands up and say "DAVVVIIIIIIDDDDDDDDD!!!!"`
`02:54.13`	`purple_cow`	`very well`
`02:55.00`	`JeffM2501`	`so far you haven't busted much`
`02:55.43`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I have to totaly update tort here`
`03:05.38`	`shorty114`	`uh, i got a segmentation fault`
`03:06.06`	`shorty114`	`is that bad? ;)`
`03:08.29`	`JeffM2501`	`the converted pods are being searched for now`
`03:08.38`	`JeffM2501`	`or do you want more then one type of pod?`
`03:08.55`	`purple_cow`	`right now i was just thinking about what attributes would define a pod`
`03:09.12`	`JeffM2501`	`int podlyness;`
`03:09.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm geting the ogre set up`
`03:10.33`	`*** join/#bzflag stevek__ (~stevek@AC90457E.ipt.aol.com)`
`03:10.49`	`JeffM2501`	`tho aperantly I'm outa drive space too`
`03:11.11`	`purple_cow`	`time to delete all those bzflag trees? :)`
`03:11.23`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`03:11.29`	`JeffM2501`	`all the mmorpgs`
`03:13.05`	`rkr`	`I've never had a segfault, personally.`
`03:13.13`	`rkr`	`Though sometimes my computers/programs do.`
`03:13.31`	`shorty114`	`~spell prerequests`
`03:15.56`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh yeah now I remember`
`03:15.59`	`JeffM2501`	`listeners`
`03:16.01`	`JeffM2501`	`gack`
`03:16.43`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: anything good in there? :)`
`03:16.52`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, where do you want to put all the ogre plugins?`
`03:16.58`	`JeffM2501`	`root dir too?`
`03:17.04`	`JeffM2501`	`or in a plugins dir?`
`03:17.22`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: huh?`
`03:17.31`	`JeffM2501`	`have you ever used ogre?`
`03:18.04`	`purple_cow`	`yeah, but why are we including their plugins in our source tree?`
`03:18.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm NOT`
`03:18.17`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean when it runs`
`03:18.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it has to scan a dir for em`
`03:18.41`	`JeffM2501`	`for firestarter I did /plugins in the exe dir`
`03:18.46`	`JeffM2501`	`made it cleaner`
`03:18.55`	`JeffM2501`	`since on windows there are 3 rendering systems`
`03:19.07`	`shorty114`	`is the Developer Tools called that in 10.3/4?`
`03:19.14`	`shorty114`	`i know it's Developer Tools in 10.2`
`03:19.34`	`JeffM2501`	`shorty114, try #howdoiusemymac`
`03:19.50`	`shorty114`	`i'm not asking for me`
`03:19.58`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: aren't the plugins installed in some system directory?`
`03:19.59`	`JeffM2501`	`and that changes the answer how?`
`03:20.01`	`purple_cow`	`they are here...`
`03:20.02`	`shorty114`	`i'm rewriting the CVS access from OS X how-to to make it current`
`03:20.11`	`shorty114`	`and i wrote it in the 10.2 era`
`03:20.19`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, on windows, only for the default sdk samples`
`03:20.29`	`JeffM2501`	`we don't have a "system" place for libs like that`
`03:20.34`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll not worry about it then`
`03:20.57`	`JeffM2501`	`shorty114, then one would think that you would KNOW what you are doing on 10.3`
`03:22.03`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, I'm looking for the firestarter code now, it had all the stuff to set up ogre in a real game loop, not the stuff that used the debug camera stuff in the samples`
`03:22.12`	`JeffM2501`	`and it rotates it all so Z is up`
`03:22.15`	`JeffM2501`	`instead of Y`
`03:22.18`	`purple_cow`	`heh`
`03:22.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I asume we'll need more then the debug camera :)`
`03:23.06`	`purple_cow`	`prolly`
`03:23.27`	`JeffM2501`	`since I asume you'll actualy want to grab the input`
`03:23.29`	`JeffM2501`	`and do stuff on it`
`03:24.26`	`shorty114`	`ooh CSI's on`
`03:24.38`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks for telling us`
`03:24.45`	`JeffM2501`	`my day is now complete`
`03:34.46`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: so, anything else that defines podlyness?`
`03:36.35`	`JeffM2501`	`poditude`
`03:36.50`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC it had the normal XYZ`
`03:36.52`	`JeffM2501`	`rots`
`03:36.57`	`JeffM2501`	`vel in XYZ`
`03:37.00`	`JeffM2501`	`vel in rots`
`03:37.16`	`JeffM2501`	`friction components in forward/back and seperate ones for left to right`
`03:37.35`	`purple_cow`	`hmm, friction`
`03:37.38`	`JeffM2501`	`and then input limits on thrust, turn, tilt`
`03:40.41`	`JeffM2501`	`bloody hell this a lot of code`
`03:40.55`	`JeffM2501`	`you know your geting it all in an abastracted game class right off the bat right?`
`03:41.09`	`JeffM2501`	`since all that stuff is allrady writen`
`03:42.27`	`purple_cow`	`hmm. what's it do?`
`03:42.57`	`JeffM2501`	`framework is just set to new up a game object, and then pass events and stuff to it`
`03:43.08`	`JeffM2501`	`just so it's realy easy to swap them out at runtime`
`03:43.21`	`JeffM2501`	`like the CTF/FFA/Race idea you had`
`03:45.28`	`purple_cow`	`hmm`
`03:45.45`	`purple_cow`	`i suppose that's pretty much the way i'd do it with scripts`
`03:46.01`	`JeffM2501`	`well it can change`
`03:46.03`	`JeffM2501`	`this is just done`
`03:46.10`	`JeffM2501`	`and was all set for ogre`
`03:46.58`	`JeffM2501`	`had stuff like a prefs file, command args, and all that hooked up`
`03:47.32`	`JeffM2501`	`and geting all the input from ogre`
`03:48.21`	`JeffM2501`	`figured it'd be a shame to waste all the work`
`03:48.40`	`purple_cow`	`ogre does input?`
`03:48.53`	`JeffM2501`	`it can yeah`
`03:48.59`	`JeffM2501`	`since it has the SDL window handle`
`03:49.06`	`JeffM2501`	`and the windows window handle on Win32`
`03:49.10`	`JeffM2501`	`it gets the input events`
`03:49.22`	`JeffM2501`	`it's actualy a PITA to get input away from ogre`
`03:49.40`	`JeffM2501`	`I think this stuff even has the joystick stuff hooked into`
`03:58.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it may be a bit`
`03:58.51`	`JeffM2501`	`now I'm making all the changes needed for the stuff they removed from ogre 1.02`
`03:59.41`	`spldart`	`Ah.... Finallly I've settled down. No pressure JeffM... Just curious. Will there be a B8 soon? I'm almost as anxious to try a new bleeding edge BZ as I am to do another build.. Twas cool :)`
`04:03.31`	`JeffM2501`	`when then went 1.0 they converted from static functions to singletons, so I have to change a number of things`
`04:04.26`	`purple_cow`	`ah`
`04:07.58`	`JeffM2501`	`thankfully most of it is GUI`
`04:09.54`	`*** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (~frank@p548193C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`04:32.33`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007_away (~blast@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`04:33.36`	`JeffM2501`	`whohoo, it compiles :)`
`04:37.06`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`04:39.47`	`JeffM2501`	`well that was fun and pointless :)`
`04:40.26`	`purple_cow`	`hmm?`
`04:41.10`	`JeffM2501`	`no es bueno`
`04:41.18`	`JeffM2501`	`they have changed a lot since I used it last`
`04:41.29`	`JeffM2501`	`the continue on making there API kick ass`
`04:45.43`	`JeffM2501`	`I Must ponder`
`04:45.49`	`JeffM2501`	`but mostly I must go watch Planets`
`04:48.06`	`*** join/#bzflag biffiford__ (~biffiford@blanco2-67.moment.net)`
`04:58.29`	`*** join/#bzflag Aribeth_away (~Aribeth@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net)`
`05:01.13`	`spldart`	`:(`
`05:10.23`	`*** join/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`05:10.23`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v jolie] by ChanServ`
`05:13.57`	`jolie`	`morning`
`05:19.15`	`BenUrban`	`wrong`
`05:19.16`	`BenUrban`	`it's night`
`05:19.23`	`jolie`	`shhhh`
`05:19.34`	`jolie`	`i chosse U folllow`
`05:19.38`	`jolie`	`end OF IT.`
`05:19.42`	`jolie`	`:D`
`05:19.50`	`BenUrban`	`i...see....`
`05:20.09`	`BenUrban`	`you seem...strange`
`05:20.12`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`05:20.51`	`jolie`	`you think?`
`05:21.00`	`jolie`	`i have a yellow dot next to me...`
`05:21.08`	`BenUrban`	`does it talk to you?`
`05:21.19`	`jolie`	`hm.. it itches actually`
`05:21.26`	`BenUrban`	`better have that looked at`
`05:21.26`	`jolie`	`i preffer a green one`
`05:21.31`	`BenUrban`	`don't we all`
`05:21.42`	`jolie`	`no not all`
`05:21.42`	`BenUrban`	`those itch too sometimes though`
`05:21.53`	`jolie`	`can handle such a hot DOT`
`05:21.59`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`05:22.02`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (timr@TimRiker.bronze.supporter.pdpc)`
`05:22.02`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`05:22.11`	`jolie`	`morning HERR riker`
`05:22.12`	`BenUrban`	`apparently TimRiker can :P`
`05:22.36`	`jolie`	`i can too.. just not now.`
`05:22.43`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`05:22.45`	`jolie`	`i need to be more AWAKR`
`05:22.46`	`BenUrban`	`you mean just not here`
`05:22.52`	`BenUrban`	`LMAO`
`05:22.53`	`jolie`	`oh here I CAN BE`
`05:23.00`	`BenUrban`	`so asleep you can't even spell awake`
`05:23.07`	`jolie`	`yeah`
`05:23.12`	`jolie`	`bunny cant`
`05:23.46`	`jolie`	`oooOOOOOOOOh`
`05:23.53`	`jolie`	`now you know how i tick...`
`05:23.59`	`BenUrban`	`uhhh`
`05:24.02`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`05:24.05`	`jolie`	`sexy !`
`05:24.08`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`05:24.21`	`BenUrban`	`if i hear ticking coming from you, i'd run`
`05:24.31`	`jolie`	`now dont MOVE!!!`
`05:24.37`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`05:24.37`	`jolie`	`nor touch my EARS!`
`05:24.41`	`jolie`	`bunnies BITE`
`05:24.44`	`BenUrban`	`LOL`
`05:24.50`	`BenUrban`	`you're still strange`
`05:25.00`	`jolie`	`so shhh be still.`
`05:25.50`	`jolie`	`hmrrr**`
`05:25.55`	`jolie`	`U R NOT still...`
`05:25.59`	`jolie`	`you giggle too much`
`05:26.10`	`BenUrban`	`heh, if you insist`
`05:27.29`	`jolie`	`hmrrr`
`05:27.43`	`jolie`	`so maybe if i knock you over with valium you stay still...`
`05:27.45`	`jolie`	`:D`
`05:27.56`	`BenUrban`	`you'd think so, wouldn't you?`
`05:28.18`	`*** join/#bzflag Aribeth_away (~Aribeth@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net)`
`05:29.32`	`jolie`	`there some other ways i could use to knock ya OVAR`
`05:29.35`	`jolie`	`muahh`
`05:29.41`	`jolie`	`btu its tOO EARLY!`
`05:29.45`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`05:30.36`	`rkr`	`Jolie is back?`
`05:30.47`	`BenUrban`	`apparently`
`05:30.48`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`05:31.02`	`rkr`	`She was off to bed where all bunny wabbits go. She said.`
`05:32.09`	`rkr`	`(peers what jolie or bunny or whatever current appelation is)`
`05:32.24`	`rkr`	`Hmph.`
`05:32.38`	`rkr`	`Fell asleep at the keyboard? (^&`
`05:33.39`	`jolie`	`shrug AT ur emoticon`
`05:33.49`	`BenUrban`	`eye patch, looks like`
`05:33.52`	`jolie`	`hmm need to make a milk bottle... brb`
`05:33.56`	`rkr`	`It's not an emoticon. It's a smiley.`
`05:34.08`	`BenUrban`	`a smiley is a type of emoticon`
`05:34.10`	`rkr`	`You can make milk bottles?`
`05:34.18`	`BenUrban`	`need to "make" a milk bottle?`
`05:34.32`	`rkr`	`No, smilies seceded from the emoticon lexicon.`
`05:34.40`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`05:37.02`	`jolie`	`hm`
`05:37.05`	`rkr`	`Apparently, blast007 is not familiar with my computer setup.`
`05:37.12`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`05:37.28`	`rkr`	`Currently playing Heart's Long Tall Sally. (Well, their cover of same.)`
`05:37.54`	`rkr`	`Well, "Rock and Roll" actually. (^&`
`05:38.22`	`rkr`	`And now that I think of it, I'll skip to the next song.`
`05:39.29`	`rkr`	`...in fact, let's skip all the way down to the Jewel set...`
`05:41.38`	`rkr`	`So what kind of bottle did you manufacture, jolie?`
`05:43.10`	`jolie`	`hm.. a janosch one.`
`05:43.40`	`rkr`	`Janosch?`
`05:43.50`	`bunny`	`some germans...`
`05:43.51`	`rkr`	`I'm not familiar with this variety.`
`05:43.54`	`bunny`	`german...`
`05:43.57`	`rkr`	`Oh.`
`05:43.59`	`bunny`	`cartoon`
`05:44.08`	`rkr`	`I have German ancestry.`
`05:44.11`	`bunny`	`mix of a duckie with an tiger or smg`
`05:44.25`	`rkr`	`Duckie/tiger...`
`05:44.30`	`rkr`	`Wait. This is a milk botty, right?`
`05:44.40`	`rkr`	`Ducks don't make milk. Maybe it was a duck-billed platypus?`
`05:44.48`	`rkr`	`s/botty/bottle/g`
`05:48.17`	`rkr`	`\`
`05:48.54`	`*** part/#bzflag rkr (~rkr@socrates.olib.org)`
`05:51.13`	`*** join/#bzflag rkr (~rkr@socrates.olib.org)`
`06:03.00`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka1 (~Doug@adsl-78-217-76.sdf.bellsouth.net)`
`06:07.59`	`*** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-8-41.paradise.net.nz)`
`06:09.10`	`*** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`06:36.59`	`*** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-8-41.paradise.net.nz)`
`06:48.48`	`*** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-253-1-10-65.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`06:51.05`	`*** join/#bzflag trepan_away (~trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`06:56.41`	`*** join/#bzflag bunny (~alex@p54A75998.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`07:00.04`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka_ (~Doug@adsl-18-88-40.sdf.bellsouth.net)`
`07:06.10`	`*** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`07:24.28`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`07:30.28`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`07:33.59`	`*** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-8-41.paradise.net.nz)`
`07:46.54`	`*** join/#bzflag [1]LePoulpe303 (HydraIRC@AMontpellier-152-1-43-164.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`07:51.24`	`*** join/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`07:51.24`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v jolie] by ChanServ`
`08:00.35`	`*** join/#bzflag bz4023 (~d4380a22@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`08:00.41`	`*** join/#bzflag joliee (~alex@p54A76C5D.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`08:02.44`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v jolie] by ChanServ`
`08:29.34`	`*** join/#bzflag creeperz (~Meatwad@host-206-138-230-24.midco.net)`
`08:35.29`	`*** join/#bzflag newbie_dont (~a@fw.newitech.pl)`
`08:42.19`	`*** join/#bzflag cunumen (cunumen@pcp04353676pcs.brghtn01.mi.comcast.net)`
`08:50.05`	`*** join/#bzflag Teppic (~Teppic@cpc1-cbly2-5-0-cust239.glfd.cable.ntl.com)`
`09:00.14`	`*** join/#bzflag [1]LePoulpe303 (~LePoulpe3@AMontpellier-251-1-27-12.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`09:00.35`	`[1]LePoulpe303`	`Hi all !`
`09:01.30`	`jolie`	`flop*`
`09:04.06`	`rkr`	`Flop?`
`09:04.22`	`rkr`	`Is flopping allowed?`
`09:11.32`	`jolie`	`kay time to go to WORK`
`09:11.44`	`rkr`	`G'bye.`
`09:11.51`	`jolie`	`laterz, well in about one hour ill loggin from the office anyways :P`
`09:12.08`	`*** part/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`09:22.03`	`*** join/#bzflag Chestal (thilo@141.99.42.43) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`09:22.03`	`*** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`09:22.03`	`*** join/#bzflag BearPerson (karsten@BearPerson.sourcemage) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`09:22.03`	`*** join/#bzflag cods (~admin@82.241.80.108) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`09:22.03`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Chestal] by irc.freenode.net`
`09:34.02`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`09:41.19`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`09:41.35`	`CBG`	`~bzfquery 81.103.45.91:5154`
`10:23.10`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`10:53.16`	`*** join/#bzflag trepan (~trepan@trepan.user)`
`10:54.44`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`11:04.32`	`*** join/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`11:04.32`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v jolie] by ChanServ`
`11:15.15`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`11:15.50`	*** join/#bzflag kyelewis` (~kyelewis@kyelewis.staff.freematrix)
`12:10.45`	`*** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@p54B02458.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`12:11.26`	`*** join/#bzflag bz8193 (~54a0bed0@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`12:11.41`	`bz8193`	`Hello.`
`12:12.05`	`bz8193`	`Can someone explain me, what is the "u" key for?`
`12:13.31`	`ToughShooter`	`You can look up key mappings at Options->Input Settings->Change Key Mapping`
`12:14.00`	`bz8193`	`There it say "hunt mode". What is this hunt mode?`
`12:14.21`	`ToughShooter`	`U is obviously for hunting other tanks. That works by pressing U and selecting tank in scoreboard with arrow keys and pressing enter as confirmation`
`12:14.58`	`bz8193`	`Thanks :-) I'll try that.`
`12:15.17`	`ToughShooter`	`Hunted tank will blink on radar and a special sound is played when you're near him`
`12:16.11`	`bz8193`	`Thanks :)`
`12:21.25`	`LePoulpe303`	`ToughShooter, is it in that way that you can select to which tank you want to speak ?`
`12:28.05`	`ToughShooter`	`LePoulpe: Sorry, not really understanding question :(`
`12:28.07`	`orchid`	`LePoulpe303: to chat to?`
`12:28.43`	`orchid`	`LePoulpe303: press . and then use the side arrow to select a player to talk to`
`12:32.09`	`LePoulpe303`	`side arrow ?`
`12:32.18`	`LePoulpe303`	`orchid, : k w8 i'll try that`
`12:32.55`	`orchid`	`yeah left\|right`
`12:47.27`	`*** join/#bzflag BearPerson (karsten@BearPerson.sourcemage)`
`12:49.32`	`*** join/#bzflag newbie_dont (~a@fw.newitech.pl)`
`12:56.55`	`*** join/#bzflag LePoulpe303 (~LePoulpe3@AMontpellier-251-1-27-12.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`12:57.17`	`*** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`12:58.30`	`LePoulpe303`	`orchid, this is working !!! great ! i was looking for how to do it , but always in the heart of the action , and never find it :)`
`12:59.05`	`LePoulpe303`	`i tried up down arrow everytme i think`
`13:12.36`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.151)`
`13:23.54`	`orchid`	`LePoulpe303: pressing , will let you send a message to the last tank that shot you and . will alwways go to the last player you talked to unless you change it with left\|right`
`13:31.57`	`BearPerson`	`not up\|down ?`
`13:35.15`	`orchid`	`dont think so`
`13:35.42`	`orchid`	`~seen birdie`
`13:35.43`	`ibot`	`birdie <~birdie@d51A465C1.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9d 16h 49m 30s ago, saying: 'should be cool'.`
`13:43.35`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.151)`
`14:01.03`	`*** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d51A465C1.access.telenet.be)`
`14:03.20`	`*** join/#bzflag bz7192 (~a3bbb071@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`14:03.47`	`*** part/#bzflag bz7192 (~a3bbb071@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`14:06.10`	`orchid`	`Birdie: were you looking for me yesterday?`
`14:06.43`	`Birdie`	`hi orchid`
`14:06.57`	`Birdie`	`yes to report a match on ducati, but dmp was alllready so kind to do it for me`
`14:07.32`	`orchid`	`ahh ok`
`14:07.43`	`Birdie`	`!praise orchid`
`14:07.46`	`Birdie`	`thx for asking:)`
`14:10.07`	`Birdie`	`how did your exam went dmp?`
`14:11.15`	`meacan`	`good`
`14:11.28`	`meacan`	`i mean, it was close to impossible to fail this one, so :)`
`14:11.36`	`Birdie`	`:)`
`14:12.10`	`meacan`	`only reason for us having it, was because another guy belived it was unfair if we didnt have it. So we actually passed the same project twice.`
`14:13.29`	`meacan`	`and i got good feedback on my mobilegame too. So only one exam left.`
`14:13.58`	`Birdie`	`same here only one`
`14:14.00`	`Birdie`	`monday`
`14:14.10`	`Birdie`	`(the one today didnt went that wonderfull great:( )`
`14:16.15`	`meacan`	`:(`
`14:20.07`	`Grumbler`	`bunch of slackers :)`
`14:20.28`	`Grumbler`	`pull!`
`14:20.53`	`Birdie`	`lol`
`14:36.12`	`jolie`	`flop*`
`14:37.11`	`Birdie`	`yay no more bullets`
`14:39.25`	`Grumbler`	`flopsy, mopsy, and cottontail`
`14:40.11`	`Grumbler`	`.....dang, its a one shot server`
`14:40.47`	`Birdie`	`i have the name birdie because i dodge good and i never die :) kuch`
`14:45.56`	`Grumbler`	`i thought it was because you are a dead duck? :)`
`14:46.01`	`Aribeth_away`	`old tanks never die, they just respawn`
`14:46.14`	`Birdie`	`hey i'm not old`
`14:46.23`	`Aribeth_away`	`but i am`
`14:46.27`	`Birdie`	`nah`
`14:46.35`	`Birdie`	`its all in the mind`
`14:46.43`	`Aribeth_away`	`heh`
`14:46.50`	`Aribeth_away`	`im 51`
`14:47.15`	`Aribeth_away`	`lol`
`14:47.19`	`Birdie`	`see you are young`
`14:47.22`	`Birdie`	`you can feel 25:)`
`14:47.25`	`Grumbler`	`dang Aribeth_away you are old`
`14:47.29`	`Grumbler`	`:)`
`14:47.37`	`Aribeth_away`	`lol, yep`
`14:47.49`	`Birdie`	`grumbler is so nice:)`
`14:47.52`	`Aribeth_away`	`its not the years though, its the milage`
`14:48.12`	`Aribeth_away`	`oooo, to be 20 again`
`14:48.15`	`Aribeth_away`	`:)`
`14:48.27`	`Grumbler`	`....and Birdie will probably be out of diapers in september`
`14:48.36`	`Aribeth_away`	`ROFLOL!`
`14:48.44`	`Birdie`	`lol`
`14:48.56`	`Birdie`	`what have you done when you were 20?`
`14:49.10`	`Grumbler`	`school`
`14:49.12`	`Grumbler`	`drink`
`14:49.20`	`Aribeth_away`	`me, only traveled the country and puerto rico`
`14:49.34`	`Birdie`	`but propably the drinking to:)`
`14:49.36`	`Aribeth_away`	`and Canada`
`14:49.41`	`Grumbler`	`....so your bus had big flowers on it then, eh`
`14:49.45`	`Birdie`	`lol`
`14:49.50`	`Birdie`	`just married:)`
`14:50.01`	`Aribeth_away`	`hehe, it was a 1960 rambler`
`14:50.14`	`Grumbler`	`ooooo, i know those....solid car`
`14:50.19`	`Birdie`	`you were 20 in 1960?:s`
`14:50.20`	`Aribeth_away`	`ya`
`14:50.21`	`Grumbler`	`...old post office vehicles`
`14:50.38`	`Aribeth_away`	`i was 20 in 1974`
`14:50.58`	`Birdie`	`i was -11`
`14:51.01`	`Aribeth_away`	`wow`
`14:51.36`	`Aribeth_away`	`time has not been kind to me either`
`14:51.44`	`Grumbler`	`told ya, you are old.....but with a young heart......and too much time making maps....`
`14:51.53`	`Birdie`	`you dont look old when i see your maps`
`14:51.53`	`Aribeth_away`	`lol`
`14:51.58`	`Birdie`	`its a young brain`
`14:52.15`	`Aribeth_away`	`yes, my mind is still 18`
`14:52.31`	`Aribeth_away`	`heheheee`
`14:52.36`	`Birdie`	`you have kids?`
`14:52.41`	`Aribeth_away`	`nope`
`14:52.46`	`Grumbler`	`Aribeth_away< have you found that luizanne decaf ice tea yet.....its a southern tradition`
`14:53.05`	`Aribeth_away`	`no i havnt`
`14:53.56`	`Aribeth_away`	`went to fry's electronics yesterday to get a ups for my computer`
`14:54.09`	`Aribeth_away`	`i spent all day driving`
`14:54.24`	`Aribeth_away`	`2 hours to get 20 miles`
`14:54.40`	`Grumbler`	`they have frys down there.....i have only seen them on west coast`
`14:55.14`	`Grumbler`	`Birdie< trying drinking a beer before each, just for curiosity sake :)`
`14:55.21`	`Aribeth_away`	`they do, only 20 miles away, but 400 was closed due to a big rig turn over`
`14:55.40`	`Birdie`	`grumbler: i did that once before an oral exam;)`
`14:56.09`	`Grumbler`	`i have heard atlanta traffic is a mess`
`14:56.44`	`Aribeth_away`	`ya, and with both southbound lanes closed traffic spilled over onto the small highways`
`14:57.03`	`Aribeth_away`	`so 2 miles = 2 hours`
`14:57.39`	`Aribeth_away`	`the small highways here cant handel that kind of traffic`
`15:01.27`	`menotume`	`huh?`
`15:01.32`	`menotume`	`Aribeth older than me ?`
`15:01.40`	`menotume`	`i don't believe a word of it`
`15:01.42`	`Birdie`	`i thought menotume was 64?`
`15:01.43`	`Birdie`	`:p`
`15:01.59`	`Aribeth_away`	`how old are you menotume?`
`15:02.02`	`menotume`	`47`
`15:02.09`	`Aribeth_away`	`yep, i am`
`15:02.29`	`Birdie`	`propably the oldest ones here?`
`15:02.29`	`menotume`	`you are as young as you feel !`
`15:02.35`	`Aribeth_away`	`and my body lets me know every day`
`15:02.36`	`menotume`	`today, i feel 80`
`15:02.38`	`Birdie`	`(not wanting to be rude:) )`
`15:02.49`	`menotume`	`ntoo late, Birdie :)`
`15:02.53`	`menotume`	`~n`
`15:02.54`	`ibot`	`i heard n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much`
`15:03.13`	`Aribeth_away`	`hehe, we all are infected with it`
`15:03.21`	`Aribeth_away`	`nnot`
`15:03.28`	`Aribeth_away`	`:P`
`15:03.29`	`menotume`	`:)`
`15:03.59`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`15:04.55`	`*** join/#bzflag cods (~admin@tuxee.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`15:05.09`	`*** join/#bzflag Chestal (thilo@vmax.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`15:05.09`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Chestal] by ChanServ`
`15:05.29`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`15:07.15`	`Birdie`	`lol`
`15:07.18`	`Birdie`	`granny when your 51`
`15:07.33`	`Granny`	`i feel like it sometimes`
`15:07.37`	`Birdie`	`you are in the better years of your life`
`15:08.24`	`Granny`	`my bad knee and high bloodpreasure tell me different, but i still have my mind.`
`15:08.35`	`Granny`	`now where did i put it?`
`15:08.42`	`*** join/#bzflag BearPerson (karsten@BearPerson.sourcemage) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`15:09.32`	`Birdie`	`how high is your bloodpressure?`
`15:09.43`	`Leadfoot`	`around 150`
`15:09.56`	`Birdie`	`ya is not that low`
`15:10.05`	`Birdie`	`eat much fruits, and less alcohol`
`15:10.17`	`Birdie`	`if you want to listen to a noob of 19 years old`
`15:10.17`	`Birdie`	`:)`
`15:10.24`	`Leadfoot`	`it wont let me change my nick to leadfoot annie. bummer`
`15:10.52`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`ahh better`
`15:11.29`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`i dont drink hardly anymore`
`15:11.40`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`:(`
`15:12.10`	`Birdie`	`i cant say that;)`
`15:12.12`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`fruit is good`
`15:12.27`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`when i was 20 i drank like a fish`
`15:12.52`	`Birdie`	`last week i drunk in 1.5 hours, 3 liter beer, to celebrate an exam`
`15:13.26`	`jpa_`	`Birdie has been a bad girl!`
`15:13.31`	`jpa_`	`~lart Birdie`
`15:13.49`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`one night 5 freinds and i drank 2 half gallons of taqulia in 3 hours`
`15:14.03`	`Birdie`	`:)`
`15:14.15`	`Birdie`	`hmm tequila`
`15:14.27`	`Birdie`	`with salt and citron!`
`15:14.32`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`i havnt touched it since then`
`15:14.32`	`Birdie`	`(if you know what that is)`
`15:15.49`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`ever had real tequila from mexico?`
`15:16.01`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`with the worm in it?`
`15:16.23`	`Birdie`	`i never drunk tequila with worms:s`
`15:17.06`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`tequila from in mexico is like that`
`15:17.20`	`Birdie`	`whats special on it outside the worm,`
`15:17.22`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`cant get it here`
`15:17.44`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`dont know. its how they make it there`
`15:18.02`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`its also thick, not watery`
`15:18.48`	`Birdie`	`how much % alcohol?`
`15:19.11`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`i forget. its not low for sure`
`15:19.27`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`prolly 150 proof`
`15:19.53`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`everclear is 200 proof`
`15:20.22`	`Birdie`	`tequile has never low alcohol% :)`
`15:20.43`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`nore does wild turkey`
`15:22.59`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`i like black russians`
`15:31.34`	`*** join/#bzflag spldart (~james@adsl-70-240-231-95.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net)`
`15:34.44`	`*** join/#bzflag jpa- (jpa@lakka.kapsi.fi)`
`15:47.30`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.151)`
`16:03.15`	`*** join/#bzflag mammoth (~e25125@29.Red-83-43-152.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`16:06.47`	*** join/#bzflag kyelewis` (~kyelewis@kyelewis.staff.freematrix)
`16:08.29`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@81.103.45.91)`
`16:09.18`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@JeffM2501.sustaining.supporter.pdpc)`
`16:09.18`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`16:19.04`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501`
`16:19.13`	*** join/#bzflag blast007` (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)
`16:22.49`	`jolie`	`^_^`
`16:23.31`	`CBG`	`jolie ;)`
`16:45.42`	`Grumbler`	`menotume< no , i wasnt blowing you off on sp the other day....just wasnt seeing the messages`
`16:50.10`	`*** join/#bzflag pabdiaz2 (~18948d60@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`16:50.43`	`pabdiaz2`	`Greetings.`
`16:51.04`	`BunnyBoy`	`hi pabdiaz2`
`16:51.10`	`pabdiaz2`	`Hey how goes everything?`
`16:51.28`	`pabdiaz2`	`One quick question, if anyone can give me some help on this it would be greatly appreciated. :)`
`16:51.28`	`BunnyBoy`	`mostly harmless, ty`
`16:51.32`	`pabdiaz2`	`He, he.`
`16:51.45`	`pabdiaz2`	`I have a Powerbook Running Mac OS 10.2.8`
`16:51.45`	`BunnyBoy`	`just ask your question`
`16:51.52`	`BenUrban`	`pabdiaz2: we can't help with that`
`16:51.53`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`16:51.59`	`pabdiaz2`	`Downloaded BZ Flag 2.0.2`
`16:52.09`	`pabdiaz2`	`Tries to start and then disappears in dock`
`16:52.11`	`BenUrban`	`and i doubt you'd need help with it :)`
`16:52.14`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`16:52.16`	`pabdiaz2`	`version 2.0.0 works though`
`16:52.30`	`pabdiaz2`	`Doesn't even say that it has quit`
`16:52.36`	`BenUrban`	`try running it from the terminal`
`16:52.40`	`pabdiaz2`	`just tries to start and then disappears.`
`16:52.44`	`BenUrban`	`see what you get in stdout`
`16:52.45`	`pabdiaz2`	`he he, k, how would I do that?`
`16:52.49`	`BenUrban`	`and stderr`
`16:52.52`	`BenUrban`	`ok..`
`16:52.57`	`BunnyBoy`	`tried with -debug ?`
`16:52.59`	`pabdiaz2`	`I know my way around a little bit`
`16:52.59`	`BenUrban`	`open Applications/Utilities`
`16:53.04`	`pabdiaz2`	`but not that much`
`16:53.05`	`pabdiaz2`	`k`
`16:53.07`	`BenUrban`	`open Terminal`
`16:53.12`	`pabdiaz2`	`let me see here`
`16:53.40`	`pabdiaz2`	`ok terminal is open`
`16:53.57`	`BunnyBoy`	`bzflag -debug then`
`16:54.19`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-141-140.arcor-ip.net)`
`16:54.22`	`*** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net)`
`16:54.22`	`pabdiaz2`	`Hmm, sooo, you have me at a bit of a loss there.`
`16:54.23`	`BenUrban`	`drag your bzflag app into the terminal`
`16:54.27`	`pabdiaz2`	`ok`
`16:54.32`	`BunnyBoy`	`hm, is it in your path?`
`16:54.33`	`pabdiaz2`	`the 2.0.2 or 2.0.0?`
`16:54.39`	`BenUrban`	`2.0.2`
`16:54.40`	`BunnyBoy`	`202`
`16:54.47`	`BenUrban`	`it should stick the path to it in there`
`16:54.59`	`pabdiaz2`	`ok, so drage it`
`16:55.01`	`pabdiaz2`	`and then type`
`16:55.04`	`pabdiaz2`	`-debug?`
`16:55.07`	`BenUrban`	`not quite`
`16:55.16`	`BenUrban`	`you gotta ad the path to the binary itself`
`16:55.25`	`BenUrban`	`Contents/MacOS/`
`16:55.26`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`16:55.28`	`pabdiaz2`	`add the path to the binary itself . . .`
`16:55.33`	`BenUrban`	`is it BZFlag?`
`16:55.39`	`pabdiaz2`	`yikes, this gets a tad deeper.`
`16:55.56`	`BenUrban`	`ok, what's the path that got pasted`
`16:56.28`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`16:56.35`	`pabdiaz2`	`can you copy and paste here?`
`16:56.41`	`BenUrban`	`one line is fine`
`16:56.44`	`BenUrban`	`that's all you'd need`
`16:57.07`	`pabdiaz2`	`Applications/BZFlag-2.0.2.app`
`16:57.16`	`BenUrban`	`in general, anything less than 4 lines is usually acceptable in an irc channel`
`16:57.18`	`BenUrban`	`ok...`
`16:57.22`	`BenUrban`	`one moment`
`16:57.26`	`pabdiaz2`	`sure`
`16:57.30`	`pabdiaz2`	`ty`
`16:57.42`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-139-232.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`16:57.42`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ`
`16:57.51`	`BenUrban`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:57.57`	`BenUrban`	`that's what you want in there`
`16:57.57`	`pabdiaz2`	`Ahh, I am sorry, I cannot continue the conversation at this moment`
`16:58.01`	`pabdiaz2`	`ok`
`16:58.04`	`BenUrban`	`then hit return`
`16:58.14`	`pabdiaz2`	`Lunch break is up`
`16:58.15`	`BenUrban`	`BunnyBoy: it does, for unixish things`
`16:58.19`	`pabdiaz2`	`and don't want to miss it`
`16:58.21`	`pabdiaz2`	`:p`
`16:58.23`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`16:58.30`	`pabdiaz2`	`Thank you again.`
`16:58.35`	`BenUrban`	`yw`
`16:58.37`	`BunnyBoy`	`whats not unixish on a unixish system?`
`16:58.41`	`pabdiaz2`	`Hopefully, I will be able to return and fix it.`
`16:58.44`	`pabdiaz2`	`Thank you for your help`
`16:58.47`	`pabdiaz2`	`blessing chao`
`16:58.49`	`BenUrban`	`mac os x is not really a unixish system`
`16:58.57`	`BenUrban`	`darwin is`
`16:58.59`	`BenUrban`	`mostly`
`16:59.02`	`BenUrban`	`but osx is not`
`16:59.56`	`BenUrban`	`osx has the concept of application bndles`
`16:59.59`	`BenUrban`	`and framework bundles`
`17:00.08`	`BenUrban`	`that complicates things a bit for the developer`
`17:00.13`	`BenUrban`	`but makes it easier on the ser`
`17:00.15`	`BenUrban`	`*user`
`17:00.24`	`BenUrban`	`by allowing them to be moved`
`17:00.45`	`Tupone`	`I wonder why jolie is again with the green bullet`
`17:01.05`	`bunnygirl`	`if you only KNEW`
`17:01.19`	`BenUrban`	`the typical osx app install process is mounting the dmg or cd or iso or whatever, then dragging the app icon into Applications`
`17:01.29`	`BenUrban`	`uninstallation is dragging the icon into the trash`
`17:01.34`	`BunnyBoy`	`stupid, eh?`
`17:01.57`	`BenUrban`	`but...if oyu need to get the stdout/stderr from a program...`
`17:02.04`	`BenUrban`	`you need to run it in a terminal`
`17:02.26`	`BenUrban`	`and the cmdline executable file is a couple levels deeper than the .app bundle`
`17:02.39`	`BenUrban`	`inside Contents/MacOS`
`17:02.53`	`BenUrban`	`not so much of a big deal`
`17:02.57`	`BunnyBoy`	`it's just a messy concept imho`
`17:03.05`	`BenUrban`	`well`
`17:03.13`	`BenUrban`	`if you look at it from the command line`
`17:03.16`	`BenUrban`	`it is quite messy`
`17:03.24`	`BenUrban`	`sort of`
`17:03.31`	`BenUrban`	`it does have some order to it`
`17:03.48`	`BenUrban`	`but most osx users don't know they have a command line`
`17:03.55`	`BenUrban`	`:D`
`17:04.15`	`BunnyBoy`	`you plug one thing upon another, we know that from win 3.1, no? ;)`
`17:04.24`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`17:04.37`	`BenUrban`	`osx hides darwin almost completely`
`17:04.40`	`*** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@c-67-161-119-182.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`17:05.25`	`BenUrban`	`but it's very nice to have nothing in /Applications but a bunch of application icons`
`17:05.40`	`BenUrban`	`no folders, just the applications themselves`
`17:05.53`	`BenUrban`	`you double click one and it opens`
`17:06.09`	`BenUrban`	`afaik they got that idea from risc`
`17:06.22`	`*** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user)`
`17:06.44`	`BunnyBoy`	`like /usr/bin ?`
`17:07.10`	`BenUrban`	`$ ls /usr/bin \| wc`
`17:07.10`	`BenUrban`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:07.14`	`BenUrban`	`no, not like /usr/bin`
`17:07.58`	`BenUrban`	`btw there is a gentoo for osx`
`17:08.06`	`BenUrban`	`most of it is masked though`
`17:08.26`	`BenUrban`	`$ ls /Applications -l \| wc`
`17:08.26`	`BenUrban`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:08.41`	`Aribeth`	`gentoo runs on just about everything`
`17:08.46`	`BenUrban`	`hmm that's 106 lines, right?`
`17:08.53`	`BenUrban`	`heh, yep`
`17:08.58`	`BunnyBoy`	`yeah, there is a difference`
`17:09.09`	`BunnyBoy`	`frank@lulu:~$ ls -1 /usr/bin \| wc -l`
`17:09.09`	`BunnyBoy`	`2710`
`17:09.24`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`17:09.26`	`BenUrban`	`what's -l?`
`17:09.31`	`BunnyBoy`	`line`
`17:09.38`	`BunnyBoy`	`counts only lines`
`17:09.44`	`BenUrban`	`ah ok`
`17:09.50`	`BenUrban`	`good 2 know`
`17:10.08`	`shorty114`	`anyone know viper's email?`
`17:10.23`	`shorty114`	`(/msg it)`
`17:10.26`	`BunnyBoy`	`none that worked lately`
`17:10.33`	`shorty114`	`hmm`
`17:10.44`	`shorty114`	`i'll try the webmaster one on the site`
`17:10.47`	`BunnyBoy`	`didn't meet jimbo either`
`17:11.00`	`BenUrban`	`the point is that the stuff in /Applications is designed to be viewed in the finder`
`17:11.04`	`BenUrban`	`not in the command line`
`17:11.07`	`BunnyBoy`	`on viper side?`
`17:11.18`	`BenUrban`	`and each one of those applications has an icon`
`17:11.36`	`BenUrban`	`and they have very descriptive names`
`17:11.51`	`BunnyBoy`	`webmaster of http://viper.pimpi.org is either me or dew`
`17:12.39`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`17:13.15`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`17:13.48`	`shorty114`	`BunnyBoy, what name do you play BZ under?`
`17:24.22`	`*** join/#bzflag bz7912 (~470a4a9d@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`17:41.03`	`_Manu_`	`shorty114, any problem?`
`17:42.27`	`shorty114`	`_Manu_, i lost my cop because it was under my /identify registration`
`17:42.49`	`shorty114`	`and i /deregistered that because i had a new global login`
`17:43.05`	`_Manu_`	`shorty114, no... i removed you because not seen since long time`
`17:43.17`	`shorty114`	`ah`
`17:43.32`	`shorty114`	`well, that was because bzadmin previously required GL headers, which i do not have`
`17:43.39`	`_Manu_`	`i removed lot's of nonactives cops`
`17:44.35`	`shorty114`	`oh`
`17:44.35`	`_Manu_`	`shorty114, but are you going to play there?`
`17:44.37`	`BenUrban`	`shorty114: if it doesn't actually refer to any of the stuff in the gl headers, you can just make blank ones`
`17:45.23`	`shorty114`	`_Manu_, i'm not going to play there, but i'm gonna be bzadmining`
`17:45.30`	`shorty114`	`i don't play bz much at all anymore`
`17:46.24`	`_Manu_`	`heh.. but if you are blind.. everybody can lies you :)`
`17:46.41`	`shorty114`	`heh`
`17:47.06`	`BenUrban`	`so how can you not have gl?`
`17:47.26`	`shorty114`	`BenUrban, dunno`
`17:47.37`	`shorty114`	`i don't think i even have a functional graphics card`
`17:47.59`	`BenUrban`	`so how do you see what i type?`
`17:48.20`	`shorty114`	`onboard graphics card?`
`17:48.39`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@JeffM2501.sustaining.supporter.pdpc)`
`17:48.39`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`17:48.48`	`shorty114`	`idk, i never got gl working`
`17:48.57`	`shorty114`	`i don't have SDL either`
`17:49.03`	`BenUrban`	`and therefore never got bzflag working`
`17:49.37`	`shorty114`	`yup`
`17:49.43`	`shorty114`	`bzadmin and bzfs wrok`
`17:49.44`	`shorty114`	`*work`
`17:49.48`	`shorty114`	`but not bzflag`
`17:49.54`	`BenUrban`	`have you ever played bzflag?`
`17:49.57`	`shorty114`	`yeah`
`17:50.00`	`shorty114`	`i used to play a lot`
`17:50.04`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`17:51.56`	`Aribeth`	`Hi Shorty114`
`17:52.02`	`shorty114`	`hi ari`
`17:52.04`	`shorty114`	`hi Aribeth`
`17:52.07`	`shorty114`	`forgot the tab :\`
`17:52.15`	`Aribeth`	`ahh`
`17:52.41`	`Aribeth`	`so you presently cant play bzflag because of the vidio card`
`17:53.39`	`shorty114`	`yeah`
`17:54.05`	`Aribeth`	`bummer`
`17:55.23`	`*** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@p54B0088A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`17:55.30`	`Aribeth`	`hi TS`
`17:55.38`	`ToughShooter`	`Hi Ari!`
`17:55.42`	`ToughShooter`	`menno menotume`
`17:55.54`	`ToughShooter`	`Double hunting feature broken :((`
`17:56.49`	`Aribeth`	`hehe`
`17:57.47`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
`17:58.45`	`Aribeth`	`with a ST flag`
`17:59.22`	`Aribeth`	`eek!`
`17:59.30`	`Grumbler`	`ToughShooter< i think i annoyed menotume the other night, and he is ignoring the group....well, except the realllly old people`
`17:59.54`	`Aribeth`	`humm....`
`18:00.02`	`Aribeth`	`:P`
`18:00.19`	`Grumbler`	`...must be the smell of ben gay or something.....they just cant ignore it :)`
`18:00.29`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`18:01.25`	`Grumbler`	`Aribeth< have you seen Big Ben`
`18:01.30`	`Grumbler`	`:)`
`18:01.33`	`Aribeth`	`Grumbler, how old are you?`
`18:01.37`	`Aribeth`	`nope`
`18:02.01`	`DTRemenak`	`I've ben wondering about your trigger happiness lately`
`18:02.31`	`Grumbler`	`Aribeth< 36 going on 12 or 79 depending on the day`
`18:02.33`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`18:02.46`	`Aribeth`	`Grumbler, lol`
`18:04.00`	`Grumbler`	`i hear some stuff by ben kingsley makes a good read :)`
`18:04.15`	`BenUrban`	`~lart Grumbler`
`18:05.05`	`Grumbler`	`trout, that reminds me of the bear......what was his name.....ben, something....big ben......hmmmm`
`18:05.14`	`BenUrban`	`~lart Grumbler`
`18:05.26`	`menotume`	`BigBearBenPerson ?`
`18:05.38`	`Grumbler`	`theres the old man`
`18:05.43`	`menotume`	`:P`
`18:06.05`	`menotume`	`oh, i cu your comment above`
`18:06.10`	`menotume`	`no, you didn't annoy me`
`18:06.11`	`Aribeth`	`hummm...ben bear?`
`18:06.17`	`BenUrban`	`~lart Aribeth`
`18:06.26`	`Aribeth`	`hehe`
`18:06.32`	`Grumbler`	`ben and jerrys ice cream`
`18:06.38`	`Aribeth`	`~whaleslap BenUrban`
`18:06.39`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps BenUrban upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`18:06.42`	`ToughShooter`	`~bzfrag menotume for stealing double hunt feature`
`18:06.43`	`ibot`	`ACTION tries to kill menotume for stealing double hunt feature, but finds the shield flag`
`18:06.46`	`BenUrban`	`~blinky Aribeth`
`18:06.47`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps Aribeth on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky`
`18:06.50`	`ToughShooter`	`Aww`
`18:06.53`	`menotume`	`double-hunt ?`
`18:07.16`	`Aribeth`	`~lart BenUrban`
`18:07.17`	`ToughShooter`	`Hide scoreboard and press U`
`18:07.21`	`BenUrban`	`nooooooooooooooooooooooo`
`18:07.25`	`BenUrban`	`you BASTARD`
`18:07.29`	`shorty114`	`rofl`
`18:07.30`	`Aribeth`	`ROFLMAO!`
`18:07.38`	`ToughShooter`	`heh`
`18:07.38`	`blast007`	`hehehe`
`18:07.57`	`Aribeth`	`heheheeeeeee`
`18:08.08`	`shorty114`	`~lart shorty114`
`18:08.26`	`menotume`	`do you mean I fixed an unknown 'feature' ?`
`18:08.29`	`ToughShooter`	`menotume: when you do that you can add additional targets to hunt list`
`18:08.36`	`shorty114`	`quickly, blast007! i'm dying here...`
`18:08.40`	`menotume`	`ahh`
`18:08.41`	`ToughShooter`	`yup`
`18:08.42`	`blast007`	`lol`
`18:08.45`	`menotume`	`not with mine :)`
`18:08.47`	`ToughShooter`	`I loved it`
`18:08.52`	`menotume`	`hmmm`
`18:09.22`	`ToughShooter`	`Must be checking algorithm of hunting being modified somehow`
`18:09.29`	`menotume`	`yes, it was`
`18:10.32`	`menotume`	`so .. 'U' reinstaed hunt slect, instead of turning hunt off ?`
`18:10.37`	`Aribeth`	`BASTARD, no...Stinker yes`
`18:11.09`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
`18:11.32`	`BenUrban`	`no, i think shorty114 stinks at this point`
`18:11.40`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`18:11.42`	`BenUrban`	`s/stinks/stinks more/`
`18:12.01`	`Aribeth`	`im just a stinker`
`18:15.07`	`BenUrban`	`~whaleslap Granny`
`18:15.10`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps Granny upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`18:15.51`	`Granny`	`~fishslap BenUrban`
`18:15.52`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps BenUrban up side the head with a wet fish.`
`18:16.03`	`BenUrban`	`~lart Granny`
`18:16.11`	`BenUrban`	`;)`
`18:16.18`	`bunnygirl`	`...`
`18:16.25`	`Granny`	`~lart BenUrban`
`18:16.31`	`bryjen`	`it must be Friday...`
`18:16.37`	`bunnygirl`	`definetly`
`18:16.38`	`Granny`	`yep`
`18:16.56`	`BenUrban`	`thank Granny it's friday`
`18:17.04`	`bunnygirl`	`ooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh i have wine...`
`18:17.05`	`ToughShooter`	`menotume: At least from user perspective it looked like that when scoreboard was hidden, with shown scoreboard it removed the hunting`
`18:17.09`	`bunnygirl`	`hichic TIME`
`18:17.11`	`Granny`	`you better beleive it!`
`18:17.26`	`Granny`	`i have Whisky`
`18:17.28`	`menotume`	`oh, ok - i'll look into it this weekend`
`18:17.39`	`bunnygirl`	`i wouldnt drink wiski with a Granny`
`18:17.40`	`bunnygirl`	`:S`
`18:18.04`	`bunnygirl`	`also NOT with some girl FOOT`
`18:18.21`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`hehe`
`18:18.40`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`Leadfoot as in hot rod annie`
`18:18.51`	`bunnygirl`	`still a girl`
`18:18.56`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`yep`
`18:18.58`	`bunnygirl`	`i dont drink with girls...`
`18:18.59`	`bunnygirl`	`:D`
`18:19.01`	`bryjen`	`or not`
`18:19.03`	`bryjen`	`rods and all`
`18:19.04`	`bunnygirl`	`last time ONE kissed me`
`18:19.07`	`bunnygirl`	`so nonoono`
`18:19.14`	`BenUrban`	`...and you turned into a prince?`
`18:19.16`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`eww`
`18:19.22`	`Grumbler`	`or a frog`
`18:19.22`	`BenUrban`	`wait, no, that's frogs`
`18:19.25`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`18:19.28`	`bunnygirl`	`no.. i literally puked`
`18:19.32`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`WHAT???`
`18:19.47`	`bunnygirl`	`a girl kissing a girl`
`18:19.49`	`bunnygirl`	`YUK`
`18:19.55`	`BenUrban`	`do you find women to be that disgusting?`
`18:19.55`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`ohh, yuck`
`18:19.59`	`bunnygirl`	`no girlis kissing me again >_<`
`18:19.59`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`18:20.07`	`bunnygirl`	`damm blonde`
`18:20.09`	`bunnygirl`	`hot tho.`
`18:20.13`	`bunnygirl`	`but still ...`
`18:20.17`	`bunnygirl`	`YUK`
`18:20.29`	`bryjen`	`bunnygirl seems a bit conflicted there`
`18:20.46`	`Grumbler`	`there are issues there`
`18:20.56`	`bunnygirl`	`no, im juszt mad when i recall how she dared to ... take advantage of me`
`18:21.08`	`bunnygirl`	`hah`
`18:21.19`	`Grumbler`	`that'll teach ya to drink with blondes`
`18:21.30`	`bunnygirl`	`you might get more out of me when im done drinkiong wine :D`
`18:21.53`	`Grumbler`	`that is neither here nor there`
`18:22.00`	`bunnygirl`	`anbd im spanish.. i should have been the latin hot soul one!!`
`18:22.03`	`bunnygirl`	`not the blondie...`
`18:22.05`	`bunnygirl`	`however...`
`18:22.11`	`bunnygirl`	`brbrbrbrbr WINE`
`18:22.57`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`well, a couple i=of Harvy Wall Bangers will get the job done`
`18:23.38`	`bunnygirl`	`actually first im putting my son to sleep`
`18:23.44`	`bunnygirl`	`then im drinking wine.`
`18:23.49`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`hehe`
`18:26.26`	`Leadfoot_Annie`	`ooooooo`
`18:28.54`	`CBG`	`~bzfquery cbg.kicks-ass.org:5154`
`18:29.27`	`CBG`	`thanks ibot :)`
`18:29.46`	`*** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc)`
`18:34.31`	`menotume`	`_Manu_: pingo`
`18:34.41`	`_Manu_`	`menotume, pango`
`18:34.45`	`menotume`	`lolo`
`18:35.05`	`menotume`	`i just got a report from someone using latyest cvs, that his 'team scores' didn't line up`
`18:35.18`	`menotume`	`he is using .... set consolefont profont`
`18:35.27`	`menotume`	`i tried, but ot looked ok to me`
`18:35.38`	`Chestal`	`in second line, the numbers are a few pixel to the left of first line`
`18:35.41`	`menotume`	`when i get a chance, i'll try other fonts`
`18:35.50`	`menotume`	`hello 'seomone' :)`
`18:36.06`	`_Manu_`	`ok.. i'll check it`
`18:36.10`	`menotume`	`thx`
`18:37.28`	`Chestal`	`I'm investigating, too, gettign strange effects`
`18:38.03`	`menotume`	`ahhh, strabge affects are a feature`
`18:38.03`	`*** join/#bzflag cunumen (cunumen@pcp04353676pcs.brghtn01.mi.comcast.net)`
`18:38.28`	`Grumbler`	`gotta love workinig out doors, hope the birds dont drop any surpizes`
`18:38.39`	`Chestal`	`hmm`
`18:38.52`	`menotume`	`bombs away ......`
`18:39.04`	`Chestal`	`seems to turn out to just be an optical illusion or maybe effect of RGB subpixel alignment`
`18:39.13`	`Chestal`	`it's very clear to see, though, here`
`18:39.32`	`menotume`	`hmm`
`18:39.33`	`Chestal`	`and can't see a thing like it on the main scoreboard (left)`
`18:39.36`	`Chestal`	`interesting :-)`
`18:39.40`	`menotume`	`lcd ?`
`18:40.10`	`Chestal`	`no, CRT`
`18:40.12`	`Crazy_Cora`	`Grumbler, watch out for wasps`
`18:40.36`	`Chestal`	`the effect is much stronger on the right of the screen, maybe caused by convergence problem`
`18:40.51`	`Chestal`	`when I move the window, so that team score is on the left, the effect is very small`
`18:41.10`	`menotume`	`wow`
`18:41.19`	`menotume`	`been drinking that German beer again ?`
`18:41.33`	`Chestal`	`no beer in house :-(`
`18:41.37`	`menotume`	`ohhh`
`18:41.39`	`Grumbler`	`Crazy_Cora, thnx, i am thinking of lighting the torches`
`18:41.40`	`menotume`	`bummer`
`18:41.58`	`_Manu_`	`menotume, was he using the bigger font size?`
`18:42.02`	`Crazy_Cora`	`they are everywhere out here`
`18:42.09`	`menotume`	`ndunno, but he'll tell you`
`18:42.17`	`menotume`	`'he' is Chestal :)`
`18:42.24`	`_Manu_`	`heh`
`18:42.31`	`menotume`	`looks like it may be a problem on his end`
`18:42.39`	`_Manu_`	`yes.. too near the screen limit`
`18:42.50`	`_Manu_`	`in my TFT is fine.. but problematic for CRT...`
`18:42.52`	`menotume`	`Chestal, you don't have a simlar problem with ... sayy.. a GUI editor`
`18:43.14`	`_Manu_`	`so i mean he is using a CRT screen.. is that ok Chestal? :)`
`18:43.14`	`Chestal`	`menotume: I guess it#s a combination of things that makes the effect so strong`
`18:43.26`	`Chestal`	`one is of course, that the colors are pure green and pure red`
`18:43.34`	`menotume`	`ahhh`
`18:43.40`	`menotume`	`looks fine here`
`18:43.53`	`Chestal`	`well, the effec tis gone in xmag :-)`
`18:44.07`	`Chestal`	`but I invite you to look here, it#s convincing`
`18:44.09`	`menotume`	`can you do a screen cap in windowed mode ?`
`18:44.36`	`Chestal`	`yes, and screen cap shows same effect, but zooming it reveals that it#s ok`
`18:44.39`	`menotume`	`i can't quite see - move to the left a little`
`18:45.23`	`menotume`	`doesn't sound like it can be fixed in s/w`
`18:45.39`	`Chestal`	`no, there really is nothing to fix`
`18:45.51`	`menotume`	`what resolution are you using, just for grins ?`
`18:46.57`	`Chestal`	`full-screen bz usualyl 1024x768, effect is also there when I display screenshot at 1280x1024`
`18:47.03`	`_Manu_`	`using window mode only is ok for smallest fonts`
`18:47.28`	`_Manu_`	`so.. may be there is a bug in the calcule.. taking a bad width`
`18:47.37`	`Chestal`	`nono`
`18:48.12`	`_Manu_`	`the position is calculated for every screen size`
`18:48.15`	`Chestal`	`it#s fault of CRT/glasses/eyes/brain`
`18:48.34`	`Chestal`	`still a b it surprised that the effect is so big, though`
`18:48.50`	`_Manu_`	`not really.. i can see it in window mode under linux.. too near the right`
`18:49.00`	`_Manu_`	`and proportion is not correct`
`18:49.25`	`menotume`	`wow, it all looks good to me, i tried 2 diff fonts, diff screen res, font size`
`18:49.50`	`_Manu_`	`yes.. but some crt screens can get problems`
`18:50.07`	`menotume`	`the only problem i could imagine, is if 'proportional' fonts were used`
`18:50.11`	`Chestal`	`menotume: no match now I fear, lupi is gone, too. Maybe another day`
`18:50.20`	`menotume`	`np, Chestal`
`18:50.39`	`menotume`	`_Manu_: nothing you can do about that`
`18:51.27`	`_Manu_`	`well.. i can move left a little ;) but then can be ugly for other users :)`
`18:51.46`	`_Manu_`	`and now the efect is visible beacause is right aligned`
`19:20.17`	`*** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d51A465C1.access.telenet.be)`
`19:24.11`	`Grumbler`	`Bunny-Bird, it has been modifed by several people over the ages`
`19:24.24`	`Grumbler`	`much like madcity`
`19:26.36`	`Bunny-Bird`	`ty grumbler`
`19:31.18`	`Grumbler`	`there used to be a topic in the forum i started about that question, and i dont remember who did the original, probably one of the real old timers like ben`
`19:31.52`	`BenUrban`	`~lart Grumbler`
`19:31.54`	`menotume`	`wasn't it Tim?`
`19:32.45`	`Grumbler`	`i think i asked tim once, and he indicated he modified from someone else, or someone else built it for himm.....i think, it has been some time since that conversation.....at least a couple years`
`19:33.06`	`Grumbler`	`then again, maybe ben knows`
`19:33.29`	`BenUrban`	`~lart Grumbler`
`19:33.35`	`BenUrban`	`aww`
`19:33.36`	`BenUrban`	`no srm?`
`19:33.39`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`19:34.11`	`CBG`	`~seen JeffM2501`
`19:34.12`	`ibot`	`jeffm2501 <~JeffM@JeffM2501.sustaining.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #opencombat, 9d 20h 31m 42s ago, saying: 'work'.`
`19:34.42`	`CBG`	`:o 9days ago? no way!`
`19:34.52`	`BenUrban`	`he was here a few hours ago...`
`19:35.08`	`CBG`	`ibot is so dumb.`
`19:35.31`	`BenUrban`	`iirc`
`19:35.46`	`bunnygirl`	`hmrrrrrrr`
`19:35.52`	`bunnygirl`	`quake-y time`
`19:36.12`	`BenUrban`	`quake 1? how quaint!`
`19:36.19`	`bunnygirl`	`quake3`
`19:36.22`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`19:36.24`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`19:36.33`	`bunnygirl`	`dont you show me that tongue...`
`19:36.36`	`bunnygirl`	`....`
`19:36.37`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`19:36.47`	`bunnygirl`	`two things could happen`
`19:36.54`	`BenUrban`	`fine...how about this one... :b`
`19:36.56`	`bunnygirl`	`i might cut it 8< cut cut`
`19:37.03`	`BenUrban`	`:P :b :P :b`
`19:37.04`	`bunnygirl`	`or might...`
`19:37.08`	`jpa-`	`wrapped in a beautiful paper!`
`19:37.08`	`CBG`	`jolie: please dont hump benurban!`
`19:37.14`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`19:37.22`	`bunnygirl`	`hm. why CBG ?`
`19:37.23`	`menotume`	`get a room !`
`19:37.34`	`CBG`	`Makes me jealous. :P :D`
`19:37.37`	`bunnygirl`	`ah`
`19:37.38`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:37.42`	`bunnygirl`	`still no prom date, eh?`
`19:37.56`	`bunnygirl`	`i tried to get a room with him menotume but he didnt reply :(`
`19:38.06`	`menotume`	`weeeeee :)`
`19:38.12`	`Grumbler`	`ugh`
`19:38.22`	`jpa-`	`menotume cutttttttieeeeee!`
`19:39.02`	`menotume`	`jpa- misinformed :)`
`19:40.16`	`BenUrban`	`:\| :P :p :b :p :P :\|`
`19:40.31`	`BenUrban`	`;)`
`19:40.55`	`BenUrban`	`so what's the other thing that might happen?`
`19:41.36`	`CBG`	`Ahh. dont ask!!`
`19:41.41`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`19:41.47`	`BenUrban`	`curiosity killed the bunny`
`19:41.52`	`CBG`	`exactly!`
`19:43.51`	`*** join/#bzflag Guest847 (~a8957f64@genesis.concept69.de)`
`19:44.13`	`*** join/#bzflag bzFlaginatorr (~a8957f64@genesis.concept69.de)`
`19:44.44`	`bzFlaginatorr`	`Anyone know where I can find some cool replacement sounds for bzFlag?`
`19:44.55`	`CBG`	`www.google.com :P`
`19:45.02`	`bzFlaginatorr`	`LOL`
`19:45.17`	`bzFlaginatorr`	`I tried...didn't find anything evident`
`19:51.17`	`jpa-`	`bzFlaginatorr: take the sounds from 95 CDrom.. the hover ones :)`
`19:51.23`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:51.26`	`jpa-`	`"bjoing"`
`19:51.33`	`BenUrban`	`that's just wrong`
`19:51.38`	`jpa-`	`is not :)`
`19:51.47`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@JeffM2501.sustaining.supporter.pdpc)`
`19:51.47`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`19:51.48`	`BenUrban`	`have you ever done it?`
`19:51.55`	`CBG`	`Jeff! :D`
`19:51.58`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`19:52.01`	`BenUrban`	`~seen JeffM2501`
`19:52.02`	`ibot`	`jeffm2501 is currently on #bzflag (15s) #tacobeam (15s) #opencombat (15s)`
`19:52.03`	`jpa-`	`BenUrban: nope`
`19:52.08`	`BenUrban`	`heh, that worked`
`19:52.12`	`CBG`	`Ibot saud earlier that you hadne been on irc for 9 days, jeff.`
`19:52.15`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`19:52.26`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot lies`
`19:52.27`	`ibot`	`of course I do`
`19:52.31`	`BenUrban`	`LMAO`
`19:52.31`	`CBG`	`Yes.`
`19:52.38`	`bunnygirl`	`JeffM2501: you forgot about me... :(`
`19:52.45`	`CBG`	`Anyway, its not too late to be a voice actor, tight?`
`19:52.52`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`19:52.56`	`JeffM2501`	`it's never too late`
`19:52.59`	`menotume`	`JeffM2501: have you had any requests to global-ban Saturn yet ?`
`19:53.10`	`menotume`	`if not, allow me to be the first`
`19:53.11`	`CBG`	`:D W00T`
`19:53.16`	`BenUrban`	`it's too late when you've given your tongue to bunnygirl`
`19:53.30`	`bunnygirl`	`:S`
`19:53.49`	`BenUrban`	`:\| :P :p :b :p :P :\|`
`19:54.00`	`bunnygirl`	`gosh >_<`
`19:54.03`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`19:54.10`	`bunnygirl`	`i SWEAR.. BenUrban ill grab that tongue of urs and...`
`19:54.26`	`CBG`	`and what? :P`
`19:54.31`	`jpa-`	`lol @ ibot`
`19:55.12`	`bunnygirl`	`BenUrban: you never reply my query so KEPP wondering`
`19:55.25`	`BenUrban`	`what query?`
`19:55.44`	`blast007`	`~bzfquery BenUrban`
`19:55.51`	`CBG`	`rofl`
`19:55.52`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`19:55.54`	`BenUrban`	`LMAO`
`19:55.54`	`CBG`	`hha!!`
`19:56.01`	`blast007`	`:)`
`19:56.31`	`BenUrban`	`5154 pores, maybe`
`19:56.36`	`BenUrban`	`but not ports`
`19:57.09`	`bunnygirl`	`why? fat and chubby that you can fit into a pokemon ball?`
`19:57.09`	`jpa-`	`~strip BenUrban`
`19:57.11`	`ibot`	`strip: BenUrban: File format not recognized`
`19:57.21`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`19:57.32`	`bunnygirl`	`picta!`
`20:06.01`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-141-140.arcor-ip.net)`
`20:14.13`	`*** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-253-1-39-5.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`20:22.25`	`*** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user)`
`20:24.47`	`Grumbler`	`man battery life on n this laptop stiinks`
`20:29.03`	`bryjen`	`that funny smell is your pants smoldering from the hot computer on your lap.... ;)`
`20:30.05`	`Grumbler`	`600mhz = hot....hmmm, have to rethink my definition of fast :)`
`20:30.32`	`bryjen`	`600? M?`
`20:31.13`	`bryjen`	`fruity?`
`20:32.24`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-140-097.arcor-ip.net)`
`20:33.07`	`bryjen`	`wifi does suck the electrons rapidly`
`20:35.12`	`Grumbler`	`intel speed step....guess it could be the wifi.....only got an hour or two out of it.....was hoping for four`
`20:54.43`	`Grumbler`	`i would pick the time to do a build when sourceforge is a pig`
`21:01.44`	`wizart`	`was ist eigentlich 66.35.250.210 für ein rechner? damit versucht sich mein bzflag beijm strat zu verbinden.`
`21:02.24`	`BearPerson`	`motd server`
`21:03.24`	`*** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-253-1-39-5.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`21:04.26`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`21:07.12`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.151)`
`21:07.41`	`wizart`	`ah. Also wenn der hängt dann tut sich bei bzflag erstmal nix`
`21:07.53`	`wizart`	`ein kurzer timeout wäre wohl sinnvoll`
`21:15.22`	`*** join/#bzflag tango_ (~nome@adsl-ull-132-177.44-151.net24.it)`
`21:33.57`	`BearPerson`	`hmm`
`21:34.20`	`BearPerson`	`vielleicht auch irgendwas was ihm schnell "no route to host" rückmeldet`
`21:35.12`	`*** join/#bzflag me1 (~97cbe564@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`21:36.22`	`me1`	`hi all`
`21:37.01`	`rkr`	`Hi, me1.`
`21:37.03`	`*** join/#bzflag me1 (~97cbe564@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`21:37.16`	`rkr`	`Hi, me1.`
`21:37.23`	`me1`	`hi`
`21:39.40`	`*** join/#bzflag sgk284 (~stevek@AC90457E.ipt.aol.com)`
`21:45.32`	`shorty114`	`m2`
`21:45.34`	`shorty114`	`me2`
`21:46.16`	`jpa-`	`sgk284!!!`
`21:55.08`	`bryjen`	`i'm not getting a smoke trail on GM's`
`21:56.01`	`bunnygirl`	`dont!`
`21:57.09`	`bryjen`	`or was it DTRemenak ?`
`21:57.15`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: did you turn it off? ;)`
`21:57.27`	`DTRemenak`	`there's a separate option for GM effects`
`21:57.39`	`bryjen`	`tried all three, look the same, no smoke`
`21:57.49`	`DTRemenak`	`"GM Puff Effect" and "GM Puff Timing"`
`21:57.52`	`DTRemenak`	`three?`
`21:57.58`	`bryjen`	`Off`
`21:58.06`	`DTRemenak`	`oh...`
`21:58.15`	`DTRemenak`	`try turning the timing all the way up?`
`21:58.30`	`bryjen`	`the timing slider didn't seem to stay where i set it`
`21:59.00`	`bryjen`	`that's probly a bad sign...`
`21:59.27`	`DTRemenak`	`hrm`
`21:59.32`	`DTRemenak`	`I wonder if I busted it :)`
`21:59.43`	`me1`	`what is this current discution about?`
`21:59.51`	`DTRemenak`	`gm smoke puffs`
`22:00.03`	`me1`	`the trails?`
`22:00.12`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`22:01.04`	`bryjen`	`and the teleporter effect setting does save on exit`
`22:01.08`	`Bunny-Bird`	`is there any special way spawns are calculated?`
`22:01.15`	`DTRemenak`	`yes, there is`
`22:01.23`	`DTRemenak`	`teleporter effect?`
`22:01.25`	`bryjen`	`the gm timing thng resets just popping back to the options menu`
`22:01.29`	`DTRemenak`	`ooh, maybe jeff broke it ;)`
`22:01.37`	`bryjen`	`tele shot effect`
`22:01.45`	`Bunny-Bird`	`i mean on the match server of the hix2 map`
`22:01.51`	`DTRemenak`	`grr, jeff broke it`
`22:01.53`	`CBG`	`bunny-bird: why?`
`22:01.53`	`CBG`	`o`
`22:01.56`	`Bunny-Bird`	`you can spawn on a place,(building) where some one else is jumping on`
`22:02.01`	`DTRemenak`	`he killed my changes :(`
`22:02.02`	`bryjen`	`!lart JeffM2501`
`22:02.12`	`bunnygirl`	`dont!`
`22:02.18`	`Bunny-Bird`	`evne with only 2vs2 and 2 teams you somethimes have that:(`
`22:02.20`	`DTRemenak`	`note for JeffM2501: when cvs says conflict, read the code first :)`
`22:02.43`	`bryjen`	`hehe, TheLastSpartan should use a spear or something`
`22:03.44`	`CBG`	`The bigfoamcluebats better :P`
`22:13.06`	`rkr`	`(See the movie Blade Runner if you don't follow the reference. (^&)`
`22:13.49`	`rkr`	`Avoid the Director's Cut version if you can.`
`22:14.34`	`rkr`	`(The Director's cut inserted a weird, brief dream sequence and dropped out the narrative voiceover giving the thoughts of the main character.)`
`22:15.44`	`rkr`	`s/broad/broaden/`
`22:15.46`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (EffectsMenu.cxx bzflag.cxx):`
`22:15.46`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: unbreak gm puffs by adding back some code from a couple commits ago`
`22:15.46`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: note to JeffM2501: "cvs conflict" means "merge the changes" not "blindly clobber everyone else's changes with your own" ;)`
`22:16.11`	`rkr`	`Okay. Walk, don't run. And not with scissors in your hands.`
`22:16.14`	`DTRemenak`	`running is good for you`
`22:16.19`	`DTRemenak`	`unless you're carrying scissors`
`22:16.28`	`CBG`	`DTRemenak: Not always :(`
`22:16.32`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-139-232.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`22:16.32`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ`
`22:17.06`	`DTRemenak`	`CBG: or a broken ankle or torn ligament. that's just about all I can think of that would make runinng a bad thing`
`22:17.20`	`CBG`	`What about being fat and getting laughed at?`
`22:17.24`	`me1`	`how do you get a in front of your name?`
`22:17.26`	`rkr`	`What about wrecked knees?`
`22:17.38`	`CBG`	`or being dead?`
`22:17.45`	`CBG`	`it must be bad to run if your dead.`
`22:17.48`	`DTRemenak`	`well if you ran more maybe you wouldn't have those problems :)`
`22:17.50`	`rkr`	`What about when the only place to run is a slippery slope that slides down to the pirrahna pool?`
`22:18.05`	`rkr`	`Being dead is okay for running. You might get better and probably won't get worse.`
`22:18.08`	`*** part/#bzflag bunnygirl (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`22:18.17`	`DTRemenak`	`if you had run you might not be dead`
`22:18.21`	`rkr`	`But, until someone tries it, the jury's still out on running corpses.`
`22:18.23`	`CBG`	`DTRemenak: Its a vicious circle dude. I run, the laugh, I gorge on chocolate, i get fat, i run, the laugh......`
`22:18.43`	`DTRemenak`	`CBG: so run somewhere they can't laugh`
`22:18.56`	`CBG`	`There are places where laughing is forbidden?`
`22:19.07`	`DTRemenak`	`if they can't see you they can't laugh`
`22:19.17`	`CBG`	`Not true.`
`22:19.27`	`rkr`	`They could hear him.`
`22:19.31`	`CBG`	`Yes.`
`22:19.41`	`CBG`	`And imagine me. hehe/`
`22:19.47`	`DTRemenak`	`then be quieter :)`
`22:20.08`	`CBG`	`Oh god, how I try!`
`22:20.20`	`rkr`	`Anyway, we're getting off topic. The point is that you should acquire a copy of the non-Director's Cut version of Blade Runner.`
`22:20.28`	`rkr`	`I think that that covers the essentials.`
`22:20.29`	`CBG`	`Anyway, I heard that if you build up a sweat, its good...`
`22:20.48`	`CBG`	`And this laptop gets to hot on my knees when I play bzflag, I sweat like a pig. :D`
`22:21.13`	`rkr`	`Well, okay, you're getting your exercise, CBG.`
`22:21.15`	`DTRemenak`	`that's probably not something I needed to know`
`22:21.21`	`CBG`	`:)`
`22:22.25`	`CBG`	`Did you need to know how photosynthesis works?`
`22:22.48`	`DTRemenak`	`yes`
`22:22.54`	`CBG`	`Cause they still insist on teaching it in school...`
`22:22.58`	`rkr`	`Isn't that classified?`
`22:23.01`	`DTRemenak`	`it's valuable`
`22:23.16`	`CBG`	`I reckon over 80% of what I learn in school is gonna be little or know use to me after my exams. :(`
`22:23.26`	`DTRemenak`	`then you're thinking about it the wrong way`
`22:23.55`	`rkr`	`Only agents with the highest clearance are allowed to photosynthesize. Agents from other countries who pretend to have such clearance are known as "plants".`
`22:24.00`	`CBG`	`You mean I took a wrong turing?`
`22:24.09`	`CBG`	`rkr: wtf? ROFL!`
`22:25.08`	`CBG`	`bingles? eh??`
`22:25.25`	`DTRemenak`	`~dict bingle`
`22:25.34`	`DTRemenak`	`cool`
`22:25.44`	`CBG`	`~dict womble`
`22:25.49`	`rkr`	`Hm. Apparently not the same bingle.`
`22:25.56`	`rkr`	`Or womble.`
`22:26.01`	`CBG`	`hehe. rkr needs some english lessons :P`
`22:26.02`	`DTRemenak`	`~dict bingle`
`22:26.09`	`rkr`	`The dictionary needs to be updated from the Discworld MUD...`
`22:26.13`	`DTRemenak`	`~dict bingle`
`22:26.19`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, that's the only one it has`
`22:26.19`	`CBG`	`Stop it DTR!`
`22:26.22`	`CBG`	`lol`
`22:26.35`	`CBG`	`it would say if it had more...`
`22:27.00`	`CBG`	`~gender`
`22:27.01`	`ibot`	`I'm pregnant`
`22:27.07`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I did what?`
`22:27.13`	`CBG`	`Thats a condition, not a gender.`
`22:27.29`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: clobbered some of my GM puff timing stuff with the teleporter effects commit`
`22:27.42`	`rkr`	`Bingle isn't in my dictionary. I think that ibot has had someone playing with its brains.`
`22:27.43`	`JeffM2501`	`oh I'm sorry`
`22:27.45`	`DTRemenak`	`reverted a couple of the menu parts :)`
`22:27.51`	`DTRemenak`	`made bryjen mad :)`
`22:27.53`	`JeffM2501`	`I usualy check all the parts I merge`
`22:28.06`	`JeffM2501`	`womder if I did it here at work`
`22:28.14`	`JeffM2501`	`differ at work has been having problmes`
`22:28.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it blew out some work code changes like that on a merge too`
`22:28.37`	`*** join/#bzflag spldart (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com)`
`22:28.39`	`DTRemenak`	`that's cool. just nice to not have to dig through older commits and re-apply the changes`
`22:28.40`	`rkr`	`"cvs diff -u ..." should work no matter where you are...(^&`
`22:28.49`	`DTRemenak`	`rkr: unless diff is busted :)`
`22:28.50`	`JeffM2501`	`rkr, I don't use command line CVS`
`22:29.00`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, tell me about it`
`22:29.13`	`JeffM2501`	`when I had to roll back the message changes i made it was a pita :)`
`22:29.18`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:29.26`	`DTRemenak`	`any idea why they didn't work?`
`22:29.41`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I did the stuff in the wrong order :)`
`22:29.47`	`DTRemenak`	`ahh`
`22:29.52`	`DTRemenak`	`that sucks`
`22:29.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll just do it after we break proto`
`22:30.00`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`22:30.06`	`JeffM2501`	`less risk`
`22:30.13`	`rkr`	`JeffM2501: I was afraid of that. You might want to switch to fix the problem. I've never heard of "cvs diff" breaking (or "rcsdiff" in the good ol' days)...`
`22:30.16`	`DTRemenak`	`add it to the long long list of 'stuff to do when we break proto' :)`
`22:30.28`	`DTRemenak`	`eeek rcs`
`22:30.41`	`JeffM2501`	`rkr, command line, hell no, my differ used to work, I have to find out what changed in it`
`22:30.43`	`rkr`	`(Maybe there are reliable GUIs, but it sounds like your GUI is in need of fixing.)`
`22:30.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not the gui`
`22:31.04`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501 is a pointy clicky guy`
`22:31.04`	`JeffM2501`	`the gui just calls what ever differ I chose`
`22:31.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it's the same as your CLI pipe`
`22:31.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I changed to the tort differ`
`22:31.19`	`DTRemenak`	`yay pipes`
`22:31.26`	`JeffM2501`	`I need to just change back to windif`
`22:31.33`	`rkr`	`There are several pointy-clicky types of CVS interfaces.`
`22:31.34`	`JeffM2501`	`windiff just works, even if it's ugly`
`22:31.40`	`JeffM2501`	`rkr, none like tort`
`22:31.53`	`rkr`	`You mean, none with broken diff? (^&`
`22:32.03`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: Konqueror's cvs plugin is a lot like tort acutally`
`22:32.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I changed to the diff that came with svn, not the one that worked before`
`22:32.22`	`JeffM2501`	`so it was my change`
`22:32.28`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I heard it was, I've been looking for it`
`22:32.41`	`rkr`	`Oh well. cervisia, I believe, looked nice, but it's too much bother to reach for the mouse.`
`22:32.41`	`DTRemenak`	`installed by default on suse`
`22:32.43`	`JeffM2501`	`rkr, the diff isn't part of the gui, tha'ts that part I don't think you get`
`22:32.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm using a differ now from MS`
`22:32.52`	`DTRemenak`	`I think he gets it now :)`
`22:32.54`	`JeffM2501`	`the one that comes with VC`
`22:33.01`	`JeffM2501`	`cervesa is ass`
`22:33.11`	`JeffM2501`	`it's an acctual application`
`22:33.21`	`JeffM2501`	`why do I need to learn yet another file manager`
`22:33.25`	`JeffM2501`	`when the OS allrady has one`
`22:33.41`	`DTRemenak`	`because cvs is not a function of the file manager`
`22:33.41`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, do you know the package name for the konq one? or do I just have to turn it on?`
`22:33.46`	`DTRemenak`	`I dunno`
`22:33.47`	`rkr`	`Um, Jeff: there is a CVS implementation that you are using. Diffing is broken in it. I get it. Whether or not Tort uses separate programs or libraries, or builds in support into the main GUI program is immaterial.`
`22:34.11`	`JeffM2501`	`rkr, NO, it's not, it is just piping it to an external diff app, it's NOT part of the CVS implememnation.`
`22:34.19`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`22:34.38`	`JeffM2501`	`the diff didn't even COME with the cvs client`
`22:34.43`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: Diffing is broken in your cvs implementation. specifically because you changed it to use a different one and thereby broke it.`
`22:35.05`	`JeffM2501`	`diff isn't really part of CVS, it's just a common tool called on a confilct`
`22:35.12`	`JeffM2501`	`you can have CVS with no diff and still be CVS`
`22:35.21`	`JeffM2501`	`that's my point`
`22:35.31`	`DTRemenak`	`exactly...and you changed which tool it called. you didn't break the differ, you switched differs and thereby broke your cvs diff.`
`22:35.42`	`JeffM2501`	`well I changed to a busted differ :)`
`22:35.46`	`DTRemenak`	`exactly :)`
`22:35.47`	`rkr`	`It is part of CVS. It is a subcommand in the standard implementation, and does not quite follow standard diff(1) options, I think.`
`22:36.21`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1)`
`22:36.21`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy it was my external merge app`
`22:36.24`	`JeffM2501`	`not the differ`
`22:36.28`	`JeffM2501`	`the are seperate`
`22:37.02`	`rkr`	`Ick...looking at CVS sources. They use strings like:`
`22:37.06`	`rkr`	`"\`
`22:37.12`	`rkr`	`==========\n\`
`22:37.18`	`rkr`	`RCS file: "`
`22:37.21`	`rkr`	`That's really nasty.`
`22:37.27`	`JeffM2501`	`then change it`
`22:37.29`	`JeffM2501`	`or use svn`
`22:37.31`	`rkr`	`And not legal with modern compilers, I Think...`
`22:37.46`	`rkr`	`Um, I am not a CVS developer. (^&`
`22:37.51`	`DTRemenak`	`it is legal`
`22:37.56`	`JeffM2501`	`then use svn`
`22:37.59`	`DTRemenak`	`backslash line continuation is perfectly valid`
`22:38.07`	`DTRemenak`	`always has been`
`22:38.09`	`rkr`	`Backslashes to continue a string?`
`22:38.14`	`JeffM2501`	`cvs is what it is, and it works, regardless of the code, if your not a developer on it, why do you care about the code?`
`22:38.18`	`DTRemenak`	`just continues the line, whatever is on it`
`22:38.31`	`rkr`	`I know you can do it in macros. It was an old trick used in pre-ANSI C compilers to split long strings...`
`22:38.40`	`DTRemenak`	`I believe we have a couple in bzflag, but it screws with the indentation so we generally don't like to do it.`
`22:39.07`	`rkr`	`I'm looking at how diff is implemented in CVS. (It is implemented inCVS, it appears, so it's not an external program.)`
`22:39.23`	`DTRemenak`	`unless you tell it to be an external program`
`22:39.35`	`rkr`	`(I remember having to fix the game omega which did exactly that and broke on more recent compilers, or stricter compiler warnings...)`
`22:40.03`	`JeffM2501`	`then how would they build cvs for modern systems?`
`22:40.03`	`DTRemenak`	`not _exactly_ that obviously :)`
`22:40.28`	`rkr`	`Maybe the compiler forces a hack to support traditional stuff? (^&`
`22:40.39`	`DTRemenak`	`bzflag builds cleanly with -Wall on every system and has several of them`
`22:40.41`	`JeffM2501`	`rkr, in mine, it's an external app, I never said I was using your icky "standard" cvs :)`
`22:40.49`	`rkr`	`(^&`
`22:41.05`	`JeffM2501`	`if you knew what tort did, instead of just throwing out comments, you might understand`
`22:41.06`	`rkr`	`The point is that "diff" is a part of the CVS suite. However your CVS system implements it.`
`22:41.13`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`22:41.16`	`JeffM2501`	`whopyt do`
`22:41.18`	`DTRemenak`	`see for instance NetHandler.cxx:151`
`22:41.37`	`JeffM2501`	`CVS it self is a protocoll over the net, in adition to an application suite`
`22:41.45`	`JeffM2501`	`there are many implemenations of CVS`
`22:41.52`	`JeffM2501`	`as an application`
`22:41.56`	`JeffM2501`	`but only one protocoll`
`22:42.10`	`JeffM2501`	`mine is protocoll compliant, not nesisarly implemented the same`
`22:42.20`	`JeffM2501`	`and it kicks ass :)`
`22:42.30`	`DTRemenak`	`tort uses cvsnt right?`
`22:42.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I think they got there code from ther initaly yes`
`22:42.55`	`JeffM2501`	`they recomend CVSNT for servers`
`22:43.08`	`DTRemenak`	`the cvsgui projects do`
`22:43.25`	`JeffM2501`	`I basicly told it to go back to the internal merge util`
`22:44.14`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it's cvsnt`
`22:44.17`	`JeffM2501`	`even has the fish :)`
`22:44.31`	`DTRemenak`	`:)`
`22:44.40`	`JeffM2501`	`tho there is also cvs95.exe`
`22:45.15`	`DTRemenak`	`cvs95 is just cvsnt with different compile options`
`22:45.20`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`22:45.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I had it using TortoiseMerge.exe from TortoiseSVN`
`22:45.52`	`JeffM2501`	`and that is what wasn't working`
`22:46.07`	`JeffM2501`	`probably should just update my TortoiseCVS and get it with the tort merge`
`22:46.10`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a good merger`
`22:46.15`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`22:46.19`	`DTRemenak`	`not good enough apparently ;)`
`22:46.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it works fine with TortoiseSVN`
`22:46.35`	`JeffM2501`	`so I'm betting that it's just how it's called`
`22:46.48`	`JeffM2501`	`my TortoiseCVS is older then my TortoiseSVN`
`22:47.12`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`22:47.13`	`JeffM2501`	`at home I have current on both and they both use the merge fine`
`22:50.28`	`DTRemenak`	`chewing his cud, perhaps?`
`22:50.33`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe`
`22:50.49`	`JeffM2501`	`wondering if he wants me to use the "standard" objects that allready have ODE data`
`22:53.56`	`*** join/#bzflag tavla (~spreker@ip51cfa1ef.direct-adsl.nl)`
`23:00.18`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-139-232.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`23:00.19`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ`
`23:01.33`	`*** join/#bzflag iwcylabumf (~iwcylabum@dyn-160-39-59-10.dyn.columbia.edu)`
`23:02.44`	`BunnyBoy`	`~x en de Embouchure`
`23:11.50`	`BearPerson`	`~x fr en embouchure`
`23:12.48`	`JeffM2501`	`~x en fr pie hole`
`23:13.12`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`23:13.17`	`JeffM2501`	`thats long for pie hole`
`23:14.48`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: sorry, was out with the family`
`23:14.50`	`purple_cow`	`what's up?`
`23:15.10`	`rkr`	`In a right-handed system, the cross product of east and north.`
`23:15.41`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh just wondering, would it be good to use the new appliaction framwork objects that ogre has, that are all set up for ODE?`
`23:16.18`	`purple_cow`	`probably`
`23:16.22`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`23:16.33`	`JeffM2501`	`mostly just wanted to see if you went "ODE... EWW"`
`23:17.43`	`JeffM2501`	`they changed there framework thing a fair amount`
`23:17.45`	`JeffM2501`	`it's rather cool now`
`23:19.54`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I do belive that I will be going to see batman tonight so not much will be done on it :)`
`23:20.05`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: My changes`
`23:24.56`	`purple_cow`	`heh`
`23:25.19`	`JeffM2501`	`because batman trumps all`
`23:27.27`	`purple_cow`	`this one looked pretty good from the previews`
`23:27.33`	`ImBatman`	`it does`
`23:27.42`	`ImBatman`	`it got good revies as well`
`23:31.45`	`*** join/#bzflag crko (jan@cmb27-47.dial-up.arnes.si)`
`23:37.10`	`ImBatman`	`it may even be as good as, http://www.advertisementave.com/tv/ad.asp?u_player=mediaplayer&adid=30`
`23:46.37`	`bryjen`	`http://bryjen.bzflag.org/purplecow.jpg`
`23:47.33`	`bryjen`	`from a book of nursery rhymes and such`
`23:48.11`	`rkr`	`Ah, bryjen, you're back. You can answer the speculation: Are you a genetic engineer?`
`23:48.45`	`bryjen`	`?!?`
`23:49.03`	`rkr`	`When you leave, it says, "home again, home again" in your IRC logout...`
`23:49.45`	`bryjen`	`it said that because that's what I typed, because that's where I was going`
`23:50.06`	`rkr`	`Ah. It's also a line from a movie called "Blade Runner", circa 1980...`
`23:51.29`	`bryjen`	`its also a line from a nursery rhyme`
`23:52.03`	`bryjen`	`the rest of it, I don't remember`
`23:54.21`	`rkr`	`Ah, that's probably where Blade Runner got it from, then.`
`23:54.55`	`rkr`	`In the movie, a genetic designer/engineer has some humanoid creations around his place for friends. They are a bit comical and toy-like.`
`23:55.32`	`rkr`	`They say "Home again, home again", when he enters, then "Good evening, J. F." (or "J.S."?) and walk out, bumping into a doorframe...`

Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with blootbot logs, split per channel, etc.