| 00:01.24 | JeffM2501 | tho I belive tim perfers cvs.b.o |
| 00:01.24 | JeffM2501 | since that will allways point to the right place |
| 00:02.00 | JeffM2501 | not that it realy maters now |
| 00:02.13 | JeffM2501 | ~status |
| 00:02.13 | ibot | Since Tue Jun 14 22:08:31 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 3 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 4 commands. I have been awake for 1h 53m 42s this session, and currently reference 108779 factoids. I'm using about 14612 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 190.63/7.46 child 0.98/0.12 |
| 00:02.25 | JeffM2501 | !status |
| 00:02.25 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 00:02.25 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: Since Tue Jun 14 12:30:27 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions. I have been awake for 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 58 seconds this session, and currently reference 1492 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 00:02.27 | spldart | ok |
| 00:02.34 | JeffM2501 | wow was I laged |
| 00:02.41 | JeffM2501 | did it get all the files? |
| 00:02.44 | spldart | the cvx -z3 thingy got a long arse list |
| 00:02.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:02.50 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:02.54 | JeffM2501 | then you got the files |
| 00:02.59 | JeffM2501 | you now have current code |
| 00:03.02 | spldart | still scrolling |
| 00:03.11 | JeffM2501 | ok sudo apt-get install libcurl3-dev |
| 00:03.17 | JeffM2501 | if your not root |
| 00:03.21 | spldart | ok finished scrolling along list |
| 00:03.22 | JeffM2501 | no sudo if your not root |
| 00:03.25 | spldart | no... not root right now |
| 00:03.30 | JeffM2501 | you have sudo installed? |
| 00:03.41 | spldart | methinks... sounds familiar... but not sure |
| 00:03.59 | JeffM2501 | type sudo apt-get install libcurl3-dev |
| 00:04.05 | JeffM2501 | it'll ask for a password |
| 00:04.09 | JeffM2501 | put in that users password |
| 00:04.36 | RichardRauch | pkg_info sudo (or whatever your package system uses). |
| 00:04.38 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:04.50 | JeffM2501 | or it will tell you your not in the sudoers |
| 00:04.56 | spldart | bzuser is not in the sudo file... I'm being reported |
| 00:04.57 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:04.59 | JeffM2501 | Rok |
| 00:05.06 | JeffM2501 | type su - |
| 00:05.11 | JeffM2501 | put in your root pass |
| 00:05.17 | JeffM2501 | then do visudo |
| 00:05.19 | spldart | yeah super user |
| 00:05.32 | JeffM2501 | it should bring up your sudoers |
| 00:05.43 | JeffM2501 | and you shoudl see like root (ALL) ALL=ALL |
| 00:05.47 | JeffM2501 | or something like that? |
| 00:06.23 | RichardRauch | Jeff: How does that differ from: |
| 00:06.25 | RichardRauch | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 00:06.38 | spldart | umm.. crap |
| 00:06.42 | spldart | It's not taking my password |
| 00:06.42 | RichardRauch | ...which is what I have in my (oldish) sudoers file. |
| 00:06.42 | JeffM2501 | RichardRauch, by my memory being bad |
| 00:06.43 | spldart | crap |
| 00:06.46 | JeffM2501 | thats why I said "somethign like that" |
| 00:06.49 | RichardRauch | Oh. (^& |
| 00:06.49 | spldart | lemme dink with this |
| 00:06.51 | JeffM2501 | spldart? |
| 00:07.16 | spldart | ? |
| 00:07.16 | JeffM2501 | RichardRauch, that was off my head :) |
| 00:07.21 | JeffM2501 | spldart, what is wrong? |
| 00:07.29 | JeffM2501 | did the su - work? |
| 00:07.54 | JeffM2501 | well actualy you don't have to do the sudo thing |
| 00:07.59 | JeffM2501 | you can just do the root deal |
| 00:08.06 | JeffM2501 | and do the apt-get there |
| 00:08.14 | JeffM2501 | sudo is just a nice way so you don't have to su all the time |
| 00:08.19 | JeffM2501 | little more secure |
| 00:08.49 | spldart | I may have to root. |
| 00:08.54 | spldart | I don't know what is going on right nowq |
| 00:08.59 | JeffM2501 | what do you see? |
| 00:09.05 | spldart | I have su'd before but it's not taking my password now |
| 00:09.06 | JeffM2501 | and what was the last thing you did? |
| 00:09.07 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 00:09.16 | JeffM2501 | did you su - ? or just su? |
| 00:09.21 | spldart | I'm worried cuz when I got hit by lighting alot of my configuration got hosed |
| 00:09.25 | spldart | both |
| 00:09.29 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 00:09.35 | JeffM2501 | one would think that would not change su |
| 00:09.45 | spldart | lemme try for root for a vbit |
| 00:10.03 | JeffM2501 | well hit ctrl + alt + F2 |
| 00:10.03 | JeffM2501 | that will take you to a new terminal |
| 00:10.03 | JeffM2501 | then log as root |
| 00:10.19 | JeffM2501 | that way you don't lose your old terms place |
| 00:11.27 | spldart | Oh... great.. |
| 00:11.29 | spldart | I'm hosed |
| 00:11.39 | spldart | root's password isn't working either :( |
| 00:11.39 | JeffM2501 | can't log as root? |
| 00:11.41 | RichardRauch | In bzadmin, how can I send a message to other than the main "send to all" channel? (Without relying on the F<n> key menus, which seem not to work for me.) |
| 00:11.43 | JeffM2501 | capslock? |
| 00:11.44 | RichardRauch | Or are the menus required? |
| 00:11.47 | spldart | nope |
| 00:11.50 | spldart | caps unlocked |
| 00:11.50 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 00:11.55 | JeffM2501 | you sure you didn't forget it? |
| 00:12.00 | spldart | yeah :( |
| 00:12.11 | JeffM2501 | seems odd that the rest of the system would work |
| 00:12.12 | RichardRauch | You can't su to root? |
| 00:12.17 | RichardRauch | Or you can't login as root? |
| 00:12.23 | spldart | system took a while to get back to running again after the strike |
| 00:12.29 | spldart | can't do su or root |
| 00:12.35 | spldart | I auto logon as bzuser |
| 00:12.42 | JeffM2501 | into like X? |
| 00:12.46 | RichardRauch | To su to root, you usually need to be in the wheel group. |
| 00:12.56 | spldart | yeah |
| 00:12.58 | spldart | X |
| 00:13.05 | RichardRauch | Can you try switching to a different console and logging in as root? |
| 00:13.08 | JeffM2501 | hit CTRL + ALT + F1 |
| 00:13.10 | spldart | I've done su and root before :( |
| 00:13.11 | JeffM2501 | at the login |
| 00:13.14 | JeffM2501 | do root |
| 00:13.17 | RichardRauch | (control-alt-F<n> and login as root) |
| 00:13.18 | spldart | Oh.... |
| 00:13.18 | JeffM2501 | then roots password |
| 00:13.26 | RichardRauch | (What Jeff said. (^&) |
| 00:13.36 | JeffM2501 | it will not be in X |
| 00:13.39 | spldart | I'll try that... time to relog |
| 00:13.40 | JeffM2501 | it will be a raw term |
| 00:14.12 | JeffM2501 | GDM often does not allow root to login graphicaly |
| 00:14.14 | RichardRauch | (You may or may not be able to ssh to root@localhost; root logins over ssh are often disallowed for security reasons. But a local console root login should work.) |
| 00:14.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:14.57 | JeffM2501 | this is another reason sudo kicks ass :) |
| 00:15.35 | RichardRauch | I put my main user account in wheel as soon as I create it, which is about the first thing that I do on setting up a new box. |
| 00:15.44 | trepan | reboot with a rescue disk, zap the pw |
| 00:15.58 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114[root] (~root@c-67-161-119-182.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:16.21 | RichardRauch | "Zap" as in set to no password? Not a good idea, unless you're absolutely sure you've got remote logins disabled for that account...(^& |
| 00:16.51 | trepan | RichardRauch: any reasonable person would then change the password |
| 00:17.03 | RichardRauch | "Zap" as in "change to something else", that's one way of doing it. Assuming that the problem is that his password is corrupted...but there was no reason to expect that, that I saw... |
| 00:17.24 | RichardRauch | trepan: Yes, but it leaves a window during when the account is wide open to anyone. |
| 00:17.42 | trepan | if a console login doesn't work, then you probably don't know the pwd |
| 00:17.49 | RichardRauch | Every few days, I get some new joker hitting my machines with attempted ssh logins to root, and various guessed usernames. |
| 00:18.11 | RichardRauch | He hasn't got to the point of a console login failing, so far as I've seen. He was told to try a console login. |
| 00:18.24 | RichardRauch | I don't think that anyone told him how to switch back to the X server though...(^& |
| 00:18.28 | JeffM2501 | he's ok |
| 00:18.32 | JeffM2501 | it's just perms |
| 00:19.49 | RichardRauch | So, is there a bzadmin way to send non-"send to all" messages, without the function-key menus? |
| 00:20.11 | shorty114 | use the arrow keys? |
| 00:20.15 | *** join/#bzflag TheLastSpartan (guu@208.48.199.217) |
| 00:20.15 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@adsl-68-77-5-191.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 00:20.29 | shorty114 | hmm that might be in 1.10.x |
| 00:20.31 | shorty114 | i try to stay away from 2.0 |
| 00:20.42 | RichardRauch | Ah, thanks Shorty. (^& |
| 00:20.48 | RichardRauch | It works in 2.0.2. |
| 00:20.53 | RichardRauch | Why staying away from 2.0? |
| 00:21.40 | shorty114 | don't like 2.0 |
| 00:21.50 | RichardRauch | Why not? |
| 00:23.48 | shorty114 | well, i started playing bzflag and liked it because it was a simple, addicting game |
| 00:23.59 | *** join/#bzflag TheLastSpartan (guu@myth.gibbscam.com) |
| 00:24.04 | shorty114 | now i feel that it's getting too bloated with eye candy |
| 00:24.19 | RichardRauch | Turn off the graphics extras, then. (^& |
| 00:24.40 | RichardRauch | No textures, no lighting, ... |
| 00:24.45 | shorty114 | textures & lighting are fine |
| 00:24.52 | shorty114 | what i dont' like is the rain, the treadmarks, etc. |
| 00:25.02 | shorty114 | i liked 1.10.x better than 2.0 |
| 00:25.08 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, turn em off |
| 00:25.10 | RichardRauch | You can turn off treadmarks at least, in the client. I thought you could hide rain, too. |
| 00:25.18 | JeffM2501 | you can turn it all off |
| 00:25.41 | shorty114 | yeah, well, i don't play any more anyway |
| 00:25.42 | shorty114 | no time |
| 00:25.55 | JeffM2501 | then why come here? ;) |
| 00:26.05 | shorty114 | idk, actually |
| 00:26.06 | RichardRauch | To kill time! (^& |
| 00:28.38 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@orchid.user) |
| 00:31.51 | shorty114 | hi orange |
| 00:31.53 | shorty114 | err orchid |
| 00:31.56 | shorty114 | stupid tab completion |
| 00:32.20 | orchid | hello shorty114 |
| 00:33.27 | purple_cow | orchid: were you the one who uploaded "galliano & portal" ? |
| 00:35.10 | orchid | purple_cow: I dont think it was me no |
| 00:35.40 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 00:35.58 | shorty114 | whoa SF got a facelift |
| 00:37.09 | orchid | purple_cow: yes it was |
| 00:37.33 | orchid | purple_cow: http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000061VB.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg I have this Cd |
| 00:41.41 | shorty114 | hmm what's up with fiberchunks.bakadigital.com |
| 00:44.15 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/data/l10n/bzflag_de.po: Debian:Bug#314144 - irrelevant |
| 00:44.33 | shorty114 | heh, JeffM2501 |
| 00:44.47 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, what of it? |
| 00:46.26 | menotume | Galliano? Harvey Wallbanger? |
| 00:46.41 | shorty114 | what of what? |
| 00:47.17 | JeffM2501 | the baka |
| 00:47.27 | JeffM2501 | there we go spldart is now building CVS |
| 00:47.30 | purple_cow | menotume: looks like his name is richard galliano |
| 00:47.36 | menotume | ahhh |
| 00:47.51 | spldart | and cooking the kids some dinner now ;) |
| 00:47.59 | orchid | menotume: the Wallbanger is back in vouge now |
| 00:48.09 | menotume | really ? |
| 00:48.10 | orchid | as is the "side-car" |
| 00:48.13 | spldart | bbl |
| 00:48.16 | menotume | i used to drink them in college |
| 00:48.59 | orchid | drinking? colledge? |
| 00:49.01 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, was "Connecting to fiberchunks.bakadigital.com..." forever |
| 00:49.18 | shorty114 | and still is |
| 00:49.29 | JeffM2501 | that would be because port 80 is blocked |
| 00:49.33 | menotume | is/was there a webpage where frequent windows client builds were offered up? |
| 00:49.52 | JeffM2501 | menotume, http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0x/ |
| 00:49.54 | shorty114 | wouldn't that do a "Connection refused" error? |
| 00:49.58 | menotume | yes, orchid, there were colleges back then |
| 00:50.05 | menotume | (and drinking age was 18) :) |
| 00:50.06 | JeffM2501 | shorty114, only if it was activly refused :) |
| 00:50.15 | shorty114 | oh |
| 00:50.22 | JeffM2501 | you need a service to refuse a thing |
| 00:50.25 | menotume | ahh, kewl, except ... 404 |
| 00:50.28 | JeffM2501 | you have what is called "a black hole" |
| 00:50.30 | orchid | Canadian students don't drink at college, they study :P |
| 00:50.41 | menotume | uh huh |
| 00:50.44 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 00:50.47 | JeffM2501 | I missed a . |
| 00:51.05 | orchid | JeffM2501: you have debian-fu now |
| 00:51.14 | purple_cow | soo |
| 00:51.16 | purple_cow | JeffM2501 |
| 00:51.21 | menotume | ahhh, kewl - thx much |
| 00:51.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm going home right now |
| 00:51.28 | JeffM2501 | and I'll find files |
| 00:51.32 | JeffM2501 | and we can plan to take over the world |
| 00:51.37 | purple_cow | mmmk |
| 00:52.04 | JeffM2501 | and you know how long it takes me to get home :) |
| 00:52.19 | purple_cow | didn't you move? |
| 00:52.24 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 00:52.26 | JeffM2501 | end of the month |
| 00:53.44 | shorty114 | so jeffm's got debian-fu, ninja-fu, c++-fu |
| 00:53.47 | shorty114 | and probably more |
| 00:54.58 | purple_cow | he's pretty good at banning people |
| 00:55.12 | shorty114 | kk, let's add ban-fu to the list |
| 00:57.12 | shorty114 | ~dict dote |
| 00:57.42 | shorty114 | don't see how i'm doting you, but w/e |
| 00:57.52 | purple_cow | not me, jeff ;) |
| 00:58.10 | shorty114 | oh |
| 00:58.18 | shorty114 | just summarizing jeffm's skillz |
| 00:58.27 | shorty114 | and that makes more sense :) |
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| 00:59.08 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 00:59.25 | shorty114 | wb, JeffM2501 |
| 00:59.28 | JeffM2501 | man o man do I have some stinly feeet! |
| 01:00.21 | spldart | still building 8-) |
| 01:00.28 | spldart | and meat is cooking |
| 01:00.29 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:00.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah it won't be fast |
| 01:01.45 | spldart | simple but yummy: 2 packages of beef sausage, smoked and spicy. boil up then remove meat. Use meat flavored water and cream of chicken soup to make instant rice.. then add the drianed sausage back in :-p |
| 01:02.03 | JeffM2501 | wow screamers was on asgard |
| 01:02.05 | JeffM2501 | man that is old |
| 01:02.12 | spldart | forgot to mention sausage is cut into bit sized peaces before boiling |
| 01:02.31 | spldart | I have screamers on Laserdisc, VHS, DVD and AVI |
| 01:02.47 | purple_cow | different screamers |
| 01:02.51 | spldart | oh |
| 01:02.53 | spldart | :( |
| 01:03.21 | JeffM2501 | whohoooo... asgard backup dir :) |
| 01:03.34 | JeffM2501 | that musta been back in the SGC days |
| 01:03.39 | JeffM2501 | damn I was a geek |
| 01:05.31 | purple_cow | sgc? |
| 01:06.49 | JeffM2501 | asgard....... |
| 01:06.53 | JeffM2501 | you know |
| 01:06.54 | purple_cow | he |
| 01:06.58 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/Screamers/ |
| 01:07.38 | JeffM2501 | money shot--> http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/Screamers/imgs/Fly.png |
| 01:07.56 | JeffM2501 | ok so just something like that then |
| 01:07.58 | JeffM2501 | simple |
| 01:08.00 | JeffM2501 | playable |
| 01:08.01 | JeffM2501 | ogre |
| 01:08.22 | JeffM2501 | no clue how I'm gonna do that hud in ogre tho :) |
| 01:08.35 | purple_cow | cool perspective |
| 01:08.48 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: ogre has an overlay mode, doesn't it? |
| 01:08.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:09.08 | JeffM2501 | tho they have the crazy Edies gui thing |
| 01:09.14 | JeffM2501 | I don't like the API for that |
| 01:09.17 | JeffM2501 | but I can deal |
| 01:09.29 | JeffM2501 | god how I miss that flag |
| 01:09.35 | purple_cow | well, that's for GUI stuff |
| 01:09.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:09.48 | JeffM2501 | never played with the overlay stuff |
| 01:09.52 | JeffM2501 | can't be too hard |
| 01:10.03 | JeffM2501 | seriously that flag made me cry |
| 01:10.46 | JeffM2501 | I even have the mk3 mesh converted to ogre somewhere |
| 01:11.26 | JeffM2501 | so what's step one? |
| 01:13.04 | purple_cow | well, i imagine figuring out what the game itself is should be a pretty high priority |
| 01:13.18 | JeffM2501 | shoot th ings |
| 01:13.20 | JeffM2501 | blow them up |
| 01:13.56 | JeffM2501 | it should be a 3d version of subspace :) |
| 01:13.59 | JeffM2501 | simple |
| 01:14.01 | JeffM2501 | yet fun |
| 01:14.15 | JeffM2501 | only 2 weapons |
| 01:14.18 | JeffM2501 | your "guns" |
| 01:14.22 | JeffM2501 | and "bombs" |
| 01:14.35 | JeffM2501 | tho bombs were realy just like an ungided missile with a proxy fuse |
| 01:14.41 | JeffM2501 | spldart, sweet |
| 01:14.56 | JeffM2501 | well the simplest thing is shutdown your existing servers |
| 01:15.08 | JeffM2501 | then do a mv /usr/games/bzfs bzfs-old |
| 01:15.17 | spldart | my existing bzfs instance? |
| 01:15.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:15.40 | RichardRauch | The running server process, I think he means. (^& |
| 01:15.53 | JeffM2501 | then cp /home/bzuser/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs /usr/games/bzfs |
| 01:15.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:16.10 | JeffM2501 | that will move your old bz to bzfs-old |
| 01:16.12 | JeffM2501 | "just in case" |
| 01:16.19 | JeffM2501 | and copy the new bzfs into your dir |
| 01:16.23 | JeffM2501 | then restart your servers |
| 01:16.24 | RichardRauch | cp -R |
| 01:16.28 | spldart | gir.... permission denied |
| 01:16.34 | JeffM2501 | sudo it |
| 01:16.35 | RichardRauch | As root, permission denied? |
| 01:16.47 | JeffM2501 | sudo before the mv and cp |
| 01:16.58 | RichardRauch | sudo mv ... |
| 01:17.02 | RichardRauch | sudo cp -R ... |
| 01:17.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:17.04 | spldart | ok |
| 01:17.07 | JeffM2501 | why -R? |
| 01:17.07 | spldart | IK'm super user now |
| 01:17.10 | spldart | executed mv |
| 01:17.11 | JeffM2501 | he dsosn't need the dir? |
| 01:17.20 | JeffM2501 | just the exe |
| 01:17.28 | RichardRauch | Oh, I thought you were copying a directory tree. |
| 01:17.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:17.35 | RichardRauch | Then you're right, -R isn't required. |
| 01:17.35 | JeffM2501 | just the server |
| 01:17.40 | JeffM2501 | - would be BAD |
| 01:17.43 | orchid | cp -i and mv -i is always a good idea with root access |
| 01:18.00 | RichardRauch | You may want to use -p to preserve file flags like execution... |
| 01:18.10 | RichardRauch | cp -p ... |
| 01:18.34 | RichardRauch | Oh, what's life if you aren't willing to risk wiping out things as root? (^& |
| 01:18.36 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, think, bzflag, multiplayer, ffa, ctf, team DM, et all... but with a smaller set of weapons |
| 01:18.44 | RichardRauch | nohup rm -rf / & |
| 01:18.47 | JeffM2501 | basicly the powerups you get just bump up your existing guns |
| 01:18.49 | spldart | ok cp executed |
| 01:18.53 | JeffM2501 | or give you heath back |
| 01:19.01 | spldart | lemme check on dinner and brb |
| 01:19.02 | JeffM2501 | the more pickuyps you get the more your "bounty" goes up |
| 01:19.03 | RichardRauch | (Err, don't do that nohup command, by the way...(^&) |
| 01:19.15 | JeffM2501 | when you kill somone you get there bounty as your score |
| 01:19.49 | RichardRauch | "Pickups"? Flags? |
| 01:19.54 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:19.55 | JeffM2501 | greenies |
| 01:19.58 | JeffM2501 | no flags |
| 01:20.02 | JeffM2501 | flags are for CTF |
| 01:20.15 | JeffM2501 | in team games you share greenies with your friends |
| 01:20.20 | RichardRauch | Greenies? |
| 01:20.25 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:20.27 | JeffM2501 | greenies |
| 01:20.30 | JeffM2501 | little |
| 01:20.32 | RichardRauch | ...okay... |
| 01:20.32 | JeffM2501 | green |
| 01:20.34 | JeffM2501 | things |
| 01:20.44 | RichardRauch | Little green 2.718281828459045...s? |
| 01:20.55 | JeffM2501 | no boxes |
| 01:20.56 | JeffM2501 | with lights |
| 01:20.59 | JeffM2501 | that flash |
| 01:21.06 | JeffM2501 | and go "boingk" when you pick them up |
| 01:21.34 | RichardRauch | Hm. Not little green e's, then. |
| 01:21.39 | JeffM2501 | player ships have power, and shield |
| 01:21.48 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:21.49 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 01:21.51 | spldart | ok |
| 01:21.52 | JeffM2501 | only power |
| 01:21.56 | spldart | my map is started |
| 01:21.58 | JeffM2501 | spldart, run em up again as normal |
| 01:22.03 | JeffM2501 | then you are good |
| 01:22.05 | spldart | how do i VERIFY that I'm on the new bzfs |
| 01:22.10 | JeffM2501 | log in |
| 01:22.18 | JeffM2501 | it will tell you the version number and build date |
| 01:22.21 | JeffM2501 | when you join |
| 01:22.36 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: is it too geeky to want a shootey pod race? |
| 01:22.49 | JeffM2501 | race |
| 01:22.51 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:22.58 | RichardRauch | So, what's the name for the new play mode? "Greenie"? "Bounty?" |
| 01:23.00 | JeffM2501 | tho it would have a limited audience |
| 01:23.12 | purple_cow | i just have this vision of the pods racing through a canyon :) |
| 01:23.14 | JeffM2501 | it's a viable subset of what I have inb mind |
| 01:23.22 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, that is a good vision |
| 01:23.44 | spldart | 2.0.3.20050611 ? |
| 01:23.46 | JeffM2501 | it means more work in map design ( not a bad thing at all ) |
| 01:23.59 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, like wipeout? |
| 01:24.04 | JeffM2501 | but less on the ground |
| 01:24.09 | JeffM2501 | more up in the air |
| 01:24.44 | JeffM2501 | dude you've never played wipeouT?!?!?! |
| 01:24.48 | DTRemenak | RichardRauch: screamers is not a new play mode...it's a whole different game |
| 01:24.49 | JeffM2501 | do you OWN a PS2? |
| 01:24.59 | JeffM2501 | or even a PS1 |
| 01:25.01 | JeffM2501 | !?!?! |
| 01:25.01 | TheLastSpartan | Wish I knew! |
| 01:25.10 | JeffM2501 | damn right TheLastSpartan |
| 01:25.11 | TheLastSpartan | I don't know! |
| 01:25.20 | purple_cow | we don't use the ps2 that much |
| 01:25.30 | purple_cow | hmm. wipeout looks just like fzero |
| 01:25.41 | JeffM2501 | yes they are similar |
| 01:25.43 | purple_cow | but with 2 fewer players |
| 01:25.49 | JeffM2501 | wipeoutXL |
| 01:25.50 | JeffM2501 | PS1 |
| 01:25.53 | JeffM2501 | find it |
| 01:25.54 | JeffM2501 | play it |
| 01:25.55 | JeffM2501 | love it |
| 01:26.04 | JeffM2501 | Wipeout Fusion was passable |
| 01:26.08 | blast007 | there's also Wipeout 64 |
| 01:26.10 | JeffM2501 | wipeout3 was horible |
| 01:26.14 | JeffM2501 | that there is |
| 01:26.18 | JeffM2501 | less then stellar |
| 01:26.23 | JeffM2501 | XL was the best of them all |
| 01:26.28 | JeffM2501 | tho the PSP one is suposed to rock |
| 01:27.12 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, think FZero, meaner, a bit faster, more boat like, and with music by real bands like, prodigy, chemical bros... etc.. |
| 01:27.19 | purple_cow | ah |
| 01:27.40 | spldart | if that number is the latest version and I'm succesful what instructions do I add to my map? |
| 01:27.53 | JeffM2501 | spldart, add |
| 01:27.54 | RichardRauch | Okay, off to pick up a radio show. (flexes massive muscles) |
| 01:27.57 | spldart | and am I also now set up for these plugins you were working on encorperating? |
| 01:27.57 | JeffM2501 | OnCap SW |
| 01:28.00 | JeffM2501 | to every base |
| 01:28.00 | blast007 | http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=3043 (Wipeout XL for PC) |
| 01:28.13 | JeffM2501 | spldart, you are |
| 01:28.44 | spldart | Between the Base stuff stuff stuff and End |
| 01:28.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:28.59 | spldart | on the map |
| 01:29.00 | spldart | ok coolies |
| 01:29.01 | JeffM2501 | anywhere in the scope of the base object |
| 01:29.08 | JeffM2501 | blast007 wow |
| 01:29.16 | JeffM2501 | tho it must be played with a gamepad |
| 01:29.35 | spldart | added :D |
| 01:29.41 | blast007 | yeah, the Wipeout games were pretty awesome :) |
| 01:29.46 | spldart | Thanks a bunch!!! |
| 01:30.23 | spldart | now that this is built can I backup the entire directory and if my HD crashes tomorrow I wouldn't have to build again? |
| 01:30.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah all you need is the binary |
| 01:31.03 | spldart | sweetness |
| 01:31.42 | JeffM2501 | what you did is 95% of what tim does to make the debian binary that you were running before |
| 01:31.46 | JeffM2501 | if you want to update code |
| 01:31.49 | JeffM2501 | all you have to do is |
| 01:31.59 | JeffM2501 | cd /home/bzuser/bzflag |
| 01:32.01 | JeffM2501 | then do |
| 01:32.05 | JeffM2501 | cvs update |
| 01:32.13 | JeffM2501 | then just type make |
| 01:32.15 | JeffM2501 | and it'll build |
| 01:32.19 | JeffM2501 | then just do the copy again |
| 01:32.35 | spldart | IC |
| 01:32.40 | spldart | sweet |
| 01:32.55 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, ok so it needs the concept of a round "start" and "end" |
| 01:33.05 | JeffM2501 | as well as ways to limit what people can do |
| 01:33.15 | JeffM2501 | then just race around a track |
| 01:33.19 | spldart | I just copied that entire set of instructions to a .txt to backup to just in case ;) |
| 01:33.24 | JeffM2501 | first wins? |
| 01:33.33 | JeffM2501 | what happens when people get shot? |
| 01:33.36 | JeffM2501 | repawn in pit? |
| 01:33.40 | JeffM2501 | just slow down? |
| 01:34.25 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 01:34.35 | purple_cow | well, we have shields/power/whatever, right? |
| 01:34.41 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 01:34.55 | spldart | GEEEZ.. the bzflag build directory is 112 meg! |
| 01:34.58 | purple_cow | so shots/bumping into things would lower that, and if you die, you're out |
| 01:35.02 | purple_cow | at least in that mode |
| 01:35.05 | purple_cow | maybe? |
| 01:35.16 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, that's how wipeout did it |
| 01:35.29 | JeffM2501 | there were pickups for power and stuff on the track |
| 01:35.33 | JeffM2501 | as well as weapons |
| 01:35.48 | JeffM2501 | in WO, you only had one weapon at a time, and started with none, |
| 01:35.52 | JeffM2501 | most weaps were one shot too |
| 01:36.17 | JeffM2501 | there was a "pit" lane you could go thru that would add power to shields too |
| 01:36.49 | JeffM2501 | so the goal is to come in first right? |
| 01:38.00 | purple_cow | i imagine so |
| 01:38.45 | JeffM2501 | well a racer is going to take more logic then a FFA |
| 01:38.50 | JeffM2501 | but it would be more unique |
| 01:39.18 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 01:39.40 | spldart | :( |
| 01:39.57 | spldart | warning (line 33): unknown object parameter "OnCap" - skipping |
| 01:40.49 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 01:40.56 | JeffM2501 | ohh caps may mater |
| 01:40.59 | JeffM2501 | try oncap |
| 01:41.03 | spldart | I'm also not getting on server list |
| 01:41.42 | spldart | Provided list server URL (http://my.BZFlag.org/db/) is invalid. |
| 01:41.56 | JeffM2501 | better be :) |
| 01:42.01 | spldart | Using default of http://my.BZFlag.org/db |
| 01:42.41 | spldart | ok.. |
| 01:42.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah try all lowercase |
| 01:42.57 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: it seems like FFA, CTF and racer all share a lot of basic aspects |
| 01:43.03 | JeffM2501 | they do |
| 01:43.11 | JeffM2501 | many many many |
| 01:43.17 | spldart | it's now oncap SW |
| 01:43.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:43.22 | spldart | restarting bzfs |
| 01:43.44 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, probably just by making the game logic have enough good hooks |
| 01:43.54 | JeffM2501 | so that new logic can just be pluged in |
| 01:44.34 | JeffM2501 | then a race is just a game mode that times who hits the waypoints fastest |
| 01:44.45 | JeffM2501 | and where there are no respawns :) |
| 01:45.00 | JeffM2501 | and a thumping techno soundtrack :) |
| 01:45.33 | spldart | Ok... that fixed oncap error... but I hadn't noticed I also had a |
| 01:45.34 | spldart | " |
| 01:45.48 | spldart | groupdb: Cannot set unknown permission FLAGRESET" |
| 01:46.01 | spldart | Has that changed in the new bzfs? |
| 01:46.35 | JeffM2501 | I think it's all now part of like a FLAG perm |
| 01:46.38 | JeffM2501 | don't remember |
| 01:46.44 | spldart | ok... |
| 01:46.49 | spldart | what about "Plugin:python found but does not contain bz_Load method, error /usr/games/bzfs: undefined symbol: bz_Load |
| 01:46.49 | spldart | " |
| 01:46.51 | JeffM2501 | check the changelog |
| 01:46.53 | JeffM2501 | that's fine |
| 01:46.57 | spldart | ok |
| 01:47.11 | spldart | changelog? in a terminal? |
| 01:47.12 | JeffM2501 | by default we scan for a plugin called python |
| 01:47.16 | JeffM2501 | no it's a file |
| 01:47.18 | spldart | ah ok |
| 01:47.19 | JeffM2501 | in the src dir |
| 01:47.22 | spldart | ok |
| 01:47.24 | spldart | checking |
| 01:48.29 | spldart | I'm in /home/bzuser/bzflag/src but not seeing a changlog |
| 01:48.41 | JeffM2501 | not in src |
| 01:48.42 | JeffM2501 | up one |
| 01:48.55 | JeffM2501 | the entire bzflag dir is called the "source distro" |
| 01:48.58 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage__ (~d8088467@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 01:49.12 | spldart | oh |
| 01:50.47 | purple_cow | guh. i can't believe i'm actually going to do this :P |
| 01:51.18 | purple_cow | you'd think we'd have learned by now ;) |
| 01:52.05 | Carnage__ | Anyone know how to get a USB Mouse to work? |
| 01:52.12 | DTRemenak | plug it in |
| 01:52.20 | spldart | doh |
| 01:52.37 | Carnage__ | .. kno how many people tell me that but it doesnt actually work |
| 01:52.55 | JeffM2501 | OS? |
| 01:53.08 | Carnage__ | The mouse will light up when i put it in the USB slot but i cant control the cursor |
| 01:53.11 | Carnage__ | xp |
| 01:53.13 | DTRemenak | then there's something wrong with your computer. you should be able to plug it in and have it work immediately. |
| 01:53.26 | DTRemenak | on any os :) |
| 01:53.29 | JeffM2501 | or the mouse is jacked |
| 01:53.35 | Carnage__ | its 'enabled' in Bios |
| 01:53.54 | Carnage__ | tryed with 2 mouses.. |
| 01:54.22 | Carnage__ | both mouse work in the Ps2 slot |
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| 01:55.23 | Carnage__ | when i try add new hardware, the wizard cant find it |
| 01:57.32 | JeffM2501 | mouse == jacked |
| 01:57.36 | JeffM2501 | or it's not a standard HID |
| 01:57.39 | JeffM2501 | who made the mouse |
| 01:59.26 | Carnage__ | Microsoft |
| 02:00.47 | JeffM2501 | wierdness |
| 02:00.58 | JeffM2501 | did you install intelepoint first? |
| 02:01.03 | spldart | microsoft=jacked |
| 02:01.04 | JeffM2501 | or have an older version of it on there? |
| 02:01.13 | JeffM2501 | all my MS mice work fine |
| 02:01.48 | spldart | I used to use ms mice on a few machines but they are the only mouse I have found that when the get old and cranky they could do crazy lockups on just abgout any machine |
| 02:01.49 | Carnage__ | Installed when i added it.. |
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| 02:02.22 | JeffM2501 | did it used to work |
| 02:02.23 | JeffM2501 | then stop? |
| 02:02.28 | JeffM2501 | or never work? |
| 02:02.37 | JeffM2501 | oh wait |
| 02:02.46 | JeffM2501 | you turned on legacy USB mouse in the bios? |
| 02:03.23 | Carnage__ | never tryed USB before |
| 02:03.34 | JeffM2501 | you said something about "it's on in the bios" |
| 02:03.38 | JeffM2501 | what is on in the bios? |
| 02:03.56 | Carnage__ | USB is enabeled |
| 02:04.17 | Carnage__ | didnt change anything |
| 02:04.46 | JeffM2501 | there is a part in the bios that says like USB and legacy |
| 02:04.52 | JeffM2501 | usualy mouse and keyboad |
| 02:04.56 | JeffM2501 | make sure those are OFF |
| 02:05.11 | JeffM2501 | just make sure that the uSB ports are enabled, that's it |
| 02:05.17 | JeffM2501 | not the legacy stuff |
| 02:05.24 | JeffM2501 | legacy stuff is for old old dos |
| 02:05.52 | Carnage__ | k.. |
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| 02:12.06 | Carnage__ | ok, i disabeled that option.. |
| 02:13.42 | spldart | grr. |
| 02:13.52 | spldart | My public message isn't working either :( |
| 02:14.05 | spldart | got alot of reading to do |
| 02:14.18 | Carnage__ | Still cant find the new hardware |
| 02:15.05 | JeffM2501 | in general you don't have to do a find for a mouse |
| 02:15.12 | JeffM2501 | since it's just a HID |
| 02:15.24 | JeffM2501 | does it show under USB devices in the manager? |
| 02:15.49 | spldart | woah.. |
| 02:16.50 | Carnage__ | there in there but they have a yellow circle and a "!" |
| 02:17.24 | JeffM2501 | right click on it got to properties |
| 02:17.28 | JeffM2501 | and see what the rror is |
| 02:18.01 | Carnage__ | Windows cannot load the device driver for this hardware. The driver may be corrupted or missing. (Code 39) |
| 02:18.24 | Carnage__ | 3 USB ports say that and 1 says |
| 02:18.38 | Carnage__ | The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28) |
| 02:18.40 | JeffM2501 | ok so you need the USB drivers for your mobo |
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| 02:18.45 | JeffM2501 | who made your mobo? |
| 02:19.43 | Carnage__ | Asus |
| 02:20.07 | Carnage__ | A7v400-MX |
| 02:20.07 | JeffM2501 | hit them up, see if they have USB mobo drivers |
| 02:20.13 | JeffM2501 | what's the chipset? |
| 02:20.18 | JeffM2501 | intel or VIA? |
| 02:20.27 | JeffM2501 | or what CPU? |
| 02:21.48 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: ok, here's the idea. we start with FFA, but implement things such that game logic is packaged in a pair of scripts (python or whatnot), one server-side, one client |
| 02:22.05 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, of course |
| 02:22.11 | JeffM2501 | like my game module ideas |
| 02:22.14 | JeffM2501 | from back in the day |
| 02:22.24 | JeffM2501 | hell IIRC the screamers code is set up for that :) |
| 02:24.38 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 02:25.25 | purple_cow | we'll definitely want the server to be authoritative |
| 02:25.43 | purple_cow | maybe all the client side script will do is present different UI |
| 02:26.32 | Carnage__ | VIA |
| 02:27.24 | bryjen | that board has usb 2.0 ports. iirc win xp needs service pack 1 to do those |
| 02:27.24 | Carnage__ | brb |
| 02:27.56 | Carnage__ | ugh.. wont let me install Sp1 or sp2 |
| 02:28.31 | blast007 | that's probably a bad sign in itself... :) |
| 02:29.01 | JeffM2501 | no that just means he's got a ganked key :) |
| 02:29.18 | bryjen | once again, not a good thing ;) |
| 02:29.40 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:29.48 | Carnage__ | :(. |
| 02:30.13 | Carnage__ | bios said it had 2 USB ports |
| 02:30.16 | Carnage__ | 2.0 and another 1 |
| 02:30.29 | JeffM2501 | don't mean nothing if the driver to the OS is bad |
| 02:45.17 | spldart | It's quiet in here :-| |
| 02:50.31 | purple_cow | that's cuz everyone is trying not to laugh at me & JeffM2501 :) |
| 02:53.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:55.19 | bryjen | at least you're doing something |
| 02:57.28 | JeffM2501 | well right now there is just ponderance :) |
| 02:58.06 | JeffM2501 | and me wondering what a file called "screamers 2.0" is |
| 02:58.18 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 02:59.05 | JeffM2501 | no really |
| 02:59.07 | JeffM2501 | it's like old |
| 02:59.18 | purple_cow | hmm. where is brlcad? |
| 02:59.23 | JeffM2501 | like from october 2002 |
| 02:59.30 | purple_cow | that's old |
| 02:59.46 | JeffM2501 | ooooooooohhhh I know what it is |
| 02:59.50 | JeffM2501 | old school screamers |
| 03:00.18 | purple_cow | hmm. i wonder how pyogre is doing |
| 03:01.16 | bryjen | hehe pie ogre |
| 03:01.41 | bryjen | like cookie monster, only meaner |
| 03:03.22 | JeffM2501 | phear the first screamer pod model |
| 03:03.24 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/ass.PNG |
| 03:03.51 | JeffM2501 | guess the polycont |
| 03:03.56 | purple_cow | 12 |
| 03:03.59 | bryjen | um, yeah |
| 03:04.01 | JeffM2501 | dead on |
| 03:04.18 | purple_cow | well, i did just read through that old web page... ;) |
| 03:04.26 | JeffM2501 | I had that in there? |
| 03:04.39 | purple_cow | bottom of the page |
| 03:04.45 | purple_cow | you have a comparison of the 3 models |
| 03:04.51 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:04.52 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 03:08.44 | JeffM2501 | heh it's in the same folder as "obj2bzg" |
| 03:09.47 | purple_cow | heh, bzg... |
| 03:09.59 | JeffM2501 | back before it had female form |
| 03:10.00 | purple_cow | what a terrible terrible format :) |
| 03:10.43 | RichardRauch | bzg? |
| 03:10.46 | orchid | objbzg? |
| 03:10.57 | JeffM2501 | obj TO bzg |
| 03:11.08 | JeffM2501 | it was an app :) |
| 03:11.10 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:11.11 | menotume | come in, bzg |
| 03:11.39 | orchid | ~seen bzg |
| 03:11.41 | ibot | bzg <~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 294d 4h 28m 58s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 03:11.46 | menotume | woo hoo |
| 03:12.06 | menotume | 294d |
| 03:12.26 | bryjen | your hostname is showing ;) |
| 03:13.19 | orchid | BenUrban: you can woo independantly of hoo |
| 03:13.26 | RichardRauch | Not if you are a Brittish butler. |
| 03:13.29 | BenUrban | really? |
| 03:13.31 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 03:13.48 | BenUrban | it's hoom, not hoo... |
| 03:13.55 | BenUrban | woo hoom> |
| 03:13.56 | BenUrban | ? |
| 03:14.03 | JeffM2501 | methinks it may be time for the wow |
| 03:14.12 | BenUrban | wow how? |
| 03:14.16 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 03:14.30 | JeffM2501 | do not mock the WoW |
| 03:14.33 | RichardRauch | hoom if the object of trans. verb. |
| 03:14.36 | BenUrban | oh, that WoW |
| 03:14.42 | BenUrban | LMFAO |
| 03:15.38 | menotume | hoom gave out all the booze here ? |
| 03:15.43 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:15.48 | JeffM2501 | kids these days |
| 03:15.50 | BenUrban | in that case it's "hoo"... |
| 03:16.01 | orchid | hmm, major lightning |
| 03:16.05 | RichardRauch | that wan't a nailgun. It was a railgun... |
| 03:16.08 | BenUrban | hoom? |
| 03:16.12 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:16.19 | BenUrban | wrong version :P |
| 03:17.30 | RichardRauch | No...it was a railgun that you used to reattach your ... nevermind. Just don't look back. |
| 03:17.38 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 03:18.35 | RichardRauch | sorry for slow typing & for typos. Using one hand to eat... |
| 03:18.43 | BenUrban | suuuure |
| 03:18.45 | BenUrban | "eat".... |
| 03:19.26 | spldart | How hard is it to set up the registered players only have chat on my server? |
| 03:19.27 | RichardRauch | Get your mind out of the gutter where it belongs... |
| 03:20.06 | spldart | If I had a railgun I'd shoot my neighbor |
| 03:20.10 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:20.17 | BenUrban | and blow a hole through your own wall |
| 03:20.35 | spldart | I'd go out in my back yard and just make a whole through my fence |
| 03:20.40 | BenUrban | oh |
| 03:20.42 | spldart | and through 5 of her walls |
| 03:20.48 | BenUrban | a whole hole or just half a whole? |
| 03:20.48 | spldart | and the neighbors house |
| 03:20.51 | BenUrban | lol |
| 03:20.52 | spldart | and the car down the street |
| 03:21.01 | BenUrban | railguns are nice :P |
| 03:21.02 | spldart | a dozen holes |
| 03:21.17 | spldart | big ones |
| 03:21.26 | spldart | That I can drive my tank through |
| 03:21.30 | RichardRauch | A gun from "Johnny Dangerously"? |
| 03:21.31 | BenUrban | LOL |
| 03:21.47 | spldart | It's an 88 magnum... It shoots through schools.. |
| 03:21.54 | BenUrban | ah |
| 03:22.00 | spldart | I'm late for target practice. A theater is letting out. |
| 03:22.07 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 03:22.07 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:22.13 | spldart | My father hung me on a hook once... Just once. |
| 03:22.19 | BenUrban | ROFL |
| 03:22.32 | spldart | Joe Piscapo is teh funnies |
| 03:22.45 | spldart | I like the SNL crew from his era |
| 03:22.49 | spldart | Eddie Murphy |
| 03:22.56 | RichardRauch | "How do yo uknow she's a witch?" "She turned me into newt! ... I got better." |
| 03:22.59 | spldart | Marry Gross, Tim Kazarinski |
| 03:23.03 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:23.14 | RichardRauch | Akroid when he was skinny. |
| 03:23.20 | RichardRauch | The original Blues Brothers. |
| 03:23.33 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:23.33 | BenUrban | !weather silver spring, maryland |
| 03:23.36 | TheLastSpartan | BenUrban: The current temperature in Silver Spring, Maryland (20901) is 88°F (11:16 PM EDT on June 14, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 71°F. UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 03:23.42 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:23.48 | BenUrban | wait a sec... |
| 03:23.56 | BenUrban | hoose bot is TheLastSpartan? |
| 03:23.58 | BenUrban | lol |
| 03:24.04 | BenUrban | i thought it was just guu and ibot |
| 03:24.13 | BenUrban | and CIA-11 |
| 03:25.28 | RichardRauch | And of course the NSA... |
| 03:25.39 | BenUrban | that too |
| 03:25.39 | spldart | Finally saw Cosmos long last |
| 03:25.42 | RichardRauch | ...and FBI, and RumBot, ... |
| 03:25.50 | spldart | he was observing Hepcat |
| 03:25.57 | spldart | Glad he's still around. |
| 03:26.55 | RichardRauch | s/tankled/tangled/r |
| 03:27.10 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:28.53 | purple_cow | rover isn't a proper name |
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| 03:29.51 | RichardRauch | Oh? And what name would you give it? |
| 03:30.06 | purple_cow | no - i mean they were called rovers, not named "Rover" |
| 03:30.35 | RichardRauch | "Rover got him," not "A rover got him." I'm not sure that there was more than one. |
| 03:33.28 | RichardRauch | Where's that, BenUrban? |
| 03:33.36 | BenUrban | i forget the server name |
| 03:33.49 | BenUrban | i think it ends in .pl |
| 03:33.54 | BenUrban | there's only one person there |
| 03:34.05 | BenUrban | and that's me :P |
| 03:34.14 | RichardRauch | puple_cow: See Q2.16 "What is "Rover"?", on http://www.web-sighted.co.uk/franks/faq2.html |
| 03:34.24 | RichardRauch | (purple_cow, even...) |
| 03:34.47 | RichardRauch | Kinda hard to join if one doesn't know where to go... |
| 03:35.07 | BenUrban | hang on a moment lemme look it up |
| 03:35.19 | BenUrban | ah, right... |
| 03:35.28 | BenUrban | mpl.pnet.com.pl |
| 03:36.24 | RichardRauch | I don't suppose you can get the port number? (^& |
| 03:36.32 | BenUrban | 5154 |
| 03:36.38 | BenUrban | default i think |
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| 04:10.36 | Grumbler | ? |
| 04:10.44 | Grumbler | menotume< were you talking to me? |
| 04:10.51 | Grumbler | i didnt even see |
| 04:11.20 | Grumbler | i didnt see anything....how many times did you try? |
| 04:12.05 | Grumbler | i didnt have any sound on ......maybe i missed the beep/bang/buzz of messages |
| 04:16.20 | brlcad | A |
| 04:17.26 | brlcad | purple_cow: woo hoo :) |
| 04:17.51 | spldart | lmao |
| 04:18.02 | spldart | the neighbor I want to shoot with a rail gun.... |
| 04:18.10 | spldart | She has the cops over at her house again |
| 04:18.18 | spldart | apparently she may be involved in a hit and run |
| 04:18.22 | purple_cow | brlcad: does your perdiem cover the hotel or should i ask for money for that? |
| 04:18.24 | spldart | She's been known to drink and drive |
| 04:19.21 | brlcad | purple_cow: it does for the room I currently have reserved |
| 04:21.20 | brlcad | it will be slightly under for the hotel that was a block away if I happen to get that last minute |
| 04:21.45 | purple_cow | how slightly? |
| 04:22.13 | brlcad | heh, hm. what was it called? |
| 04:22.19 | purple_cow | mayflower? |
| 04:22.29 | purple_cow | oh, figueroa? |
| 04:22.32 | brlcad | no no, that's the one i have now, it's fine |
| 04:22.35 | brlcad | yeah, that's it |
| 04:23.20 | brlcad | boston will be very interesting with siggraph here :) |
| 04:29.52 | brlcad | if I remember correctly, per room is 110-170 roughly, perdiem is listed at about 100 for LA this year |
| 04:30.44 | brlcad | I'd gladly pay a little bit extra to be that much closer in much better hotel myself |
| 04:32.28 | purple_cow | well, let me know. better to have the university pay a little bit extra than you :) |
| 04:32.56 | purple_cow | hmm. i'd like a glass or two of wine, but the car is in the shop. hmmmmm |
| 04:33.23 | brlcad | s/but/AND/ |
| 04:36.05 | brlcad | hard to pedal with a wine glass in your hand |
| 04:36.40 | purple_cow | true, but it's hard to drink without any in the apartment |
| 04:36.50 | brlcad | ahh |
| 04:39.30 | purple_cow | the porting workshop thing? |
| 04:39.36 | brlcad | yeah |
| 04:39.58 | purple_cow | it didn't sound like they have a very impressive system there |
| 04:40.01 | brlcad | hrmph. only 2 procs |
| 04:40.03 | purple_cow | pretty much what i got them to show me last year :) |
| 04:40.19 | brlcad | wtf am I supposed to do with 2 procs? |
| 04:40.36 | RichardRauch | Count twice as high as you would if you had only one proc? |
| 04:40.55 | purple_cow | well, they *are* top of the line ia64's, so it's not just any 2 procs :) |
| 04:41.12 | RichardRauch | Ah, the infamous Itanic? (^& |
| 04:41.29 | purple_cow | RichardRauch: don't knock 'em 'till you've tried 'em |
| 04:41.43 | brlcad | RichardRauch: in the altix line, they are far from 'tanic |
| 04:41.46 | purple_cow | once an application is tuned for ia64, they scream |
| 04:41.58 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 04:42.13 | brlcad | purple_cow: well in their announcement, it says it's a dual you get to play with |
| 04:42.44 | RichardRauch | I gather that they only perform acceptably in the 2nd generation, and even then more or less require Intel's compiler...but if you have the Itanic 2 and Intel's compiler...more power to you. |
| 04:42.57 | purple_cow | brlcad: yeah. somehow that only seems marginally more powerful than the stuff nvidia is doing now |
| 04:43.21 | purple_cow | if sgi really wanted to make a splash, they'd let you play with one of the models with dozens of GPUs on a single display :) |
| 04:43.58 | purple_cow | ok, back in 30 minutes or so |
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| 04:44.59 | brlcad | RichardRauch: intel compiler is pretty much a given, though last I saw gcc was back in the shadows too |
| 04:45.21 | brlcad | gcc just couldn't shake a stick at icc's optimization loop on the altix |
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| 05:09.35 | purple_cow | and back |
| 05:10.46 | brlcad | pretty quick |
| 05:11.24 | purple_cow | store is only a couple miles away |
| 05:21.27 | purple_cow | brlcad: so what would you have been presenting? |
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| 09:56.59 | jolie | teeeheeee |
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| 10:30.15 | LePoulpe303 | hi all |
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| 11:01.27 | RichardRauch | Hi. |
| 11:02.18 | CBG | This is v. off topic, but I urgently need a tiny hosting plan. Can anyone reccomend a good host that will do me a custom package? |
| 11:03.18 | RichardRauch | I probably can't, but I am inclined to say that "tiny" and "custom" leave tremendous room for variation... |
| 11:03.19 | jpa_ | i could, but it is only for finnish :E |
| 11:05.08 | CBG | Richard: I am talking about 20MB space, and 1 GB max Bandwidth. |
| 11:05.25 | CBG | The smallest packages I can find seem to offer 500MB space, 5GB Bandwidth. |
| 11:07.19 | RichardRauch | Well, that clarifies "tiny". (^& |
| 11:08.03 | CBG | Custom too, because nobody offers such a tiny package as standard. |
| 11:11.36 | RichardRauch | I can't see anything about bandwidth, but you might look at http://www.netstartel.com/netstar_service.htm |
| 11:12.05 | RichardRauch | Bronze Hosting has 20MB space. |
| 11:12.39 | CBG | Yes and costs $20 / month.... :o |
| 11:13.11 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 11:13.53 | CBG | I currently get 200MB space and 5GB b/w for a quarter of that. :( |
| 11:14.56 | jpa_ | i get 1GB space and about 10GB (recommended, not limited) BW for 30EUR / year |
| 11:15.01 | RichardRauch | (shrug) |
| 11:15.32 | RichardRauch | You didn't include "cheap" in your criteria. (^& |
| 11:15.41 | CBG | Ok. Sorry... |
| 11:15.43 | CBG | :P |
| 11:16.22 | CBG | I was thinking it would be $1 or $2 /month |
| 11:17.37 | jpa_ | you need friends :) |
| 11:17.53 | RichardRauch | That may be getting too cheap for them to bother with billing... |
| 11:18.00 | CBG | Lol. :) |
| 11:18.00 | jpa_ | having server on home adsl is quite common, and you usually get account for free if you know the guy |
| 11:18.35 | RichardRauch | Is it enough to just register a new domain name for your existing host? |
| 11:19.13 | RichardRauch | Domain names are relatively cheap. Web servers can tell which name was used to find them (part of the HTTP protocol, I think), so you can readily set up separate virtual hosts. |
| 11:19.21 | CBG | I'm all out of addon domain spaces on my current host. |
| 11:19.32 | RichardRauch | Um, what? |
| 11:19.49 | CBG | I can only host 4 domains on my current host... |
| 11:20.04 | jpa_ | your host sucks then :) |
| 11:20.04 | RichardRauch | I don't see that your current host (provider) needs to know, much less should care, how many DNS records point to it, as long as they don't have to maintain the DNS for you. |
| 11:20.20 | CBG | jpa_: Thats what I requested. |
| 11:20.31 | CBG | I didn't expect to ever have to use more... :( |
| 11:20.46 | CBG | I have emailed them asking if they will let me add 2 more... |
| 11:21.03 | CBG | but I fear they won't do it untill the next month when the bump the price up |
| 11:21.09 | jpa_ | RichardRauch: they have to maintain the vhost |
| 11:21.37 | CBG | Look at the "Tiny" on http://www.10-cheapwebhosting.com/hosts/D2_Hosting.php |
| 11:21.52 | CBG | looks good to me. :) |
| 11:23.21 | RichardRauch | Well, there you go. They just have '-' in the ssh login column, though... |
| 11:23.52 | CBG | Why do I need ssh ? :) |
| 11:24.58 | RichardRauch | Life without ssh would be like telnet. |
| 11:25.07 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 11:25.49 | RichardRauch | Without ssh, you'd have to manage files via an ftp client; that would be a pain... |
| 11:26.19 | CBG | I use either the CPanel File Manager, of FTP anyway... |
| 11:26.30 | CBG | *or |
| 11:26.41 | RichardRauch | "CPanel File Manager"? |
| 11:26.53 | CBG | You are not familar with CPanel? |
| 11:27.03 | RichardRauch | No. |
| 11:27.19 | RichardRauch | Never heard of it. |
| 11:27.22 | CBG | http://www.cpanel.net/ |
| 11:28.39 | CBG | Well. I have to go. |
| 11:28.46 | CBG | Thanks guys... Cya |
| 11:28.55 | RichardRauch | Ick. (^& |
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| 13:18.42 | LePoulpe303 | re ! |
| 13:52.46 | Grumbler | meno? |
| 13:59.23 | Grumbler | ~LFO |
| 13:59.28 | ibot | it has been said that lfo is Low Flying Object |
| 14:05.20 | RichardRauch | Large, Ferrocious Olives. |
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| 15:03.36 | jjbc | heyas :) |
| 15:04.22 | jjbc | I'm having sound troubles on fc4 - bzflag defaults to artsd, with a >1sec audio lag |
| 15:05.15 | jjbc | I've switched to alsa, but there's still a ~300ms delay between event and sound |
| 15:06.09 | jjbc | anyone know how to fix? |
| 15:09.55 | Grumbler | jjbc< http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ go through the last few days....there was some talk there |
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| 15:18.20 | jjbc | Grumbler: thanks! |
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| 17:18.06 | spldart | It's not you... I'm exhausted |
| 17:26.56 | ruskie | me to |
| 17:30.39 | JeffM2501 | I /me did not go to sleep till 3:45 |
| 17:32.06 | spldart | Everybody here at works seems quiet and irritable :eek: |
| 17:32.18 | wegstar | :) |
| 17:32.30 | JeffM2501 | well it is the day of the bat |
| 17:36.36 | bryjen | you're getting too old to stay up all night playing video games ;) |
| 17:38.13 | spldart | I need some strong amphetamines :( |
| 17:38.18 | spldart | lol |
| 17:40.54 | JeffM2501 | I actualy played games because I could not sleep |
| 17:41.21 | JeffM2501 | and Huzzah needs level 36 |
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| 17:43.09 | bz8732 | asdf |
| 17:43.09 | bz8732 | fdsa |
| 17:43.15 | JeffM2501 | hello? |
| 17:43.21 | bz8732 | hello |
| 17:43.28 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 17:43.42 | JeffM2501 | having keyboard problems? |
| 17:43.52 | bz8732 | no i was just testing |
| 17:44.11 | bz8732 | im looking for an internet explorer kind of thing like this |
| 17:44.42 | bz8732 | is this an irc chat? |
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| 17:46.39 | JeffM2501 | joy |
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| 17:47.15 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 17:47.17 | jpa_ | funny |
| 17:52.21 | wegstar | nice |
| 18:05.23 | RichardRauch | Paul Erdos used amphetemines a lot. |
| 18:05.39 | RichardRauch | He was a frail man, and when he started in his 40s, his friends knew he'd kill himself with them. |
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| 18:05.54 | RichardRauch | He lived into his 80s and saw most of those friends pass away before him. |
| 18:06.18 | JeffM2501 | CBG, "microsoft chips"?!?! ;) |
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| 18:06.41 | wegstar | who's Paul Erdos? |
| 18:06.54 | RichardRauch | A Hungarian mathematician. |
| 18:06.59 | wegstar | o |
| 18:07.35 | RichardRauch | He wasn't the most prolific mathematician (Euler probably gets that title), but he probably was the most collaborative mathematician. |
| 18:07.57 | jolie | hi ppl |
| 18:08.07 | RichardRauch | He had no permament address and popped around the world, dropping in on colleagues' offices with the line, "My brain is open," then he'd stay for a few weeks until he wore down his host(s)'s endurance. |
| 18:08.10 | RichardRauch | Hi, Jolie. |
| 18:08.28 | jolie | hi you |
| 18:08.31 | RichardRauch | (He put in 19 hour days, 365 days a year.) |
| 18:08.34 | RichardRauch | Hi me. |
| 18:08.46 | jolie | CBG CBG <3<3 |
| 18:08.46 | CBG | JeffM2501: Read my post... *sigh*. |
| 18:08.52 | CBG | jolie <3 :D |
| 18:08.55 | JeffM2501 | I read all posts |
| 18:09.00 | spldart | Caffiene will be the end of me |
| 18:09.02 | CBG | Not well enough, it seems. |
| 18:09.11 | jolie | oooooooh caffeine :)~~ |
| 18:09.30 | RichardRauch | Caffeine? In tea, coffee, or what form? |
| 18:09.37 | Grumbler | JeffM2501 is all-reading |
| 18:09.38 | JeffM2501 | I had just never heard the term "microsoft chips" |
| 18:09.43 | spldart | Mostly soda of all kinds :) |
| 18:09.49 | spldart | coffee nasty |
| 18:09.54 | CBG | Jeff: I was making the point that its not like Apple are gonna start using Microsoft Windows... |
| 18:10.01 | JeffM2501 | well...... |
| 18:10.04 | JeffM2501 | they are |
| 18:10.10 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:10.11 | JeffM2501 | the macs will run windows |
| 18:10.13 | JeffM2501 | dual boot |
| 18:10.21 | wegstar | O_o |
| 18:10.21 | CBG | The person who brought the topic of the chips up, seemed to think I might want to suddenly convert to linux because of it... |
| 18:10.49 | RichardRauch | Why would you do that? |
| 18:10.49 | JeffM2501 | you can run linux on macs now |
| 18:10.57 | CBG | So? |
| 18:11.00 | spldart | No house is complete without Windows and Linux |
| 18:11.00 | JeffM2501 | and they have the unix bindins allrady |
| 18:11.03 | CBG | I didnt say you couldnt.... |
| 18:11.04 | JeffM2501 | so it would not get them anything |
| 18:11.09 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 18:11.22 | CBG | Just listen please. |
| 18:11.46 | CBG | The person who brouhgt it up seemed to think it was a big deal that they are gonna (maybe) start to yse another chip... |
| 18:11.49 | RichardRauch | (You could run NetBSD on PowerPC for many years. But the native Mac OS is slick; if you've paid for the hardware, you must have a serious love of the Mac OS...can't imagine throwing that out for WIN32 or GNU/LINUX...) |
| 18:11.51 | spldart | :-p |
| 18:12.19 | CBG | I was saying, Well Its not like they are gonna force us to use Windows... |
| 18:12.20 | RichardRauch | (Besides, the new Mac OS is closer to BSD. Love it and forget LINUX. (^&) |
| 18:12.30 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:12.34 | RichardRauch | But Bill Gates might. |
| 18:12.39 | JeffM2501 | well that's not what I got from what you said |
| 18:12.49 | JeffM2501 | since you used the term "microsoft chips" |
| 18:12.50 | CBG | Then you misinterpereted it. |
| 18:13.01 | CBG | You don;t actually think that I thought there were "microsoft chips"? |
| 18:13.04 | RichardRauch | He could bribe a few congresscritters and make it a requirement, if you're living in the U.S... |
| 18:13.14 | JeffM2501 | I dono, that's all you wrote |
| 18:13.32 | CBG | RichardRauch: In a world with no walls or fences, there would be no need for windows or gates. :_ |
| 18:13.40 | RichardRauch | CBG: (^& |
| 18:13.53 | CBG | JeffM2501: Geez, dont take everything I write so seriously. |
| 18:14.19 | RichardRauch | CBG: Anyway, putting MS-Windows in hardware may be the only way to secure it from viruses. "I'm WinSilicon. Just try to infect me!" |
| 18:14.35 | RichardRauch | A lepper? RUN! |
| 18:14.38 | CBG | Okay... That just flew way over my head. :( |
| 18:14.40 | JeffM2501 | it's just "POSIBLE" that you didn't explain your point all that well in your 3 line post :) |
| 18:14.58 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it was a serious discussoon, that's why I took it so |
| 18:15.06 | CBG | Is it not possible that I had limited time and that I assumed the reader would have _some_ intelligence? |
| 18:15.14 | CBG | :P |
| 18:15.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 18:15.21 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 18:15.25 | jolie | can i kick now? |
| 18:15.27 | jolie | :D |
| 18:15.34 | JeffM2501 | totaly |
| 18:15.46 | CBG | Jeff: If you join my pointless channel: #KAS, and make you OP, I get to be OP here? :P |
| 18:15.49 | jolie | you gimme green light , hun? |
| 18:16.08 | JeffM2501 | well you'll have to back it up with a reason :) |
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| 18:16.18 | JeffM2501 | CBG, no |
| 18:16.22 | bryjen | jolie :( |
| 18:16.37 | CBG | What if I hump you in the process? ;) |
| 18:16.46 | spldart | lol |
| 18:16.53 | RichardRauch | Keep away from my processes, CBG. |
| 18:16.59 | CBG | Rofl! :D |
| 18:17.25 | jolie | hmm... |
| 18:17.36 | jolie | dude you can only* hump in the other channel.. |
| 18:17.51 | CBG | Hey. |
| 18:17.58 | CBG | You were humping in here before... :P |
| 18:18.07 | jolie | was i ? |
| 18:18.14 | jolie | well.. |
| 18:18.19 | CBG | :P |
| 18:18.21 | RichardRauch | Maybe that was "jumping" with a Mexican (Spanish?) "j"? |
| 18:18.24 | bunny | im a bunny i can hump EVERYWHERE |
| 18:18.25 | bunny | so. |
| 18:18.38 | wegstar | ? |
| 18:18.48 | RichardRauch | Bunnies jop, too. |
| 18:18.55 | spldart | lol |
| 18:18.58 | TheHunter | Aha, bunny ahoy!! |
| 18:18.59 | bunny | hm.. |
| 18:19.01 | wegstar | hehehe |
| 18:19.23 | RichardRauch | No, do not kill da wabbit! |
| 18:19.37 | RichardRauch | Don't you remember how Elmer Fud regretted it? |
| 18:19.38 | spldart | RR thinks he's Neo |
| 18:19.42 | spldart | Follow the rabbit |
| 18:19.49 | TheHunter | :D hehe |
| 18:20.06 | bunny | im NOT a rabbit |
| 18:20.08 | bunny | :/ |
| 18:20.21 | RichardRauch | Not even a wabbit? |
| 18:21.05 | bunny | hmrrr.... |
| 18:21.24 | bunny | thats too cute |
| 18:21.26 | bunny | im not cute |
| 18:21.37 | ruskie | ? |
| 18:21.53 | TheHunter | My work is done. :) |
| 18:22.06 | RichardRauch | Where's the magical fire bit when you need it? |
| 18:23.11 | RichardRauch | I guess this is it. I can't read German, and XMMS can't read anything but ASCII, so this is just titled "Die Walk". |
| 18:24.15 | spldart | The Walk? |
| 18:24.40 | RichardRauch | XMMS truncates when it got to the non-ASCII character in the German spelling of Valkyrie. |
| 18:24.49 | RichardRauch | But I like just reading it in English: Die Walk. |
| 18:25.02 | RichardRauch | Has a certain...je ne sais pas... |
| 18:26.03 | spldart | heh |
| 18:26.08 | jolie | hah |
| 18:26.10 | jolie | cute |
| 18:26.30 | jolie | okay i gotta go remove the sand out of my ears... |
| 18:26.44 | RichardRauch | What's sand doing in your ears? |
| 18:26.51 | jolie | well ... |
| 18:26.57 | jolie | i was in a sand boy |
| 18:26.57 | RichardRauch | Be honest. |
| 18:26.58 | jolie | box |
| 18:26.59 | JeffM2501 | having a party |
| 18:26.59 | RichardRauch | We won't judge. |
| 18:27.01 | jolie | boX |
| 18:27.03 | jolie | ... |
| 18:27.11 | wegstar | err.. |
| 18:27.18 | jolie | fabian, my son, was playing there |
| 18:27.21 | jolie | so... |
| 18:27.32 | RichardRauch | So you're putting the blame on your son? |
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| 18:27.36 | jolie | i have sand in every possible place... |
| 18:27.50 | Grumbler | ouch, that could be painful |
| 18:27.56 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 18:28.02 | jolie | well he though throwin sand at mami would be fun fun fun |
| 18:28.18 | RichardRauch | I bet it was, too. |
| 18:28.21 | Grumbler | sounds like he needs a little german discipline |
| 18:28.26 | spldart | I usually get chlorinated.. Not sandy |
| 18:28.28 | jolie | hey no way.. |
| 18:28.35 | spldart | teh kids prefer the pool :) |
| 18:28.55 | jolie | my son will be raise under latin soul spanish awesome warm luvluv |
| 18:29.20 | jolie | i have sand everywhere >_< |
| 18:29.23 | RichardRauch | But he will never be loved by a wabbit. |
| 18:29.33 | jolie | my son is happy |
| 18:29.36 | spldart | I got rabbit's |
| 18:29.39 | spldart | 5 of 'em |
| 18:29.47 | RichardRauch | He just tells you that to make you feel better. |
| 18:29.48 | spldart | they eat and poop |
| 18:29.53 | Grumbler | ah....spanish discipline..........show him a set of large "bazoos" and he will behave.......i have seen that work in madrid |
| 18:29.54 | spldart | and thump |
| 18:29.56 | jolie | sigh* |
| 18:30.00 | RichardRauch | He's pining for a wabbit. |
| 18:30.10 | spldart | and hump |
| 18:30.13 | jolie | http://fabian.kilobug.org/june2005/ LOOK he is happy! |
| 18:30.14 | spldart | and make little rabbits |
| 18:30.25 | CBG | wabbit: http://www.rabbit.org/graphics/fun/netbunnies/WABBIT-Wes1.jpg :D |
| 18:31.23 | RichardRauch | Where is your web server located? I'm getting about 500 bytes/sec... |
| 18:31.32 | spldart | me too |
| 18:31.34 | spldart | I gave up :( |
| 18:31.39 | jolie | ok shower time |
| 18:31.43 | RichardRauch | Reminds me of the good old days of dial-up...Ah, that takes me back. |
| 18:31.47 | wegstar | :) |
| 18:32.31 | wegstar | hmm |
| 18:33.14 | RichardRauch | wegstar: It was like getting on the Internet. |
| 18:33.25 | wegstar | of course... |
| 18:33.39 | RichardRauch | There was relatively little sand, though, even in those dark times. |
| 18:33.50 | JeffM2501 | the times were not dark |
| 18:33.58 | JeffM2501 | 300baud was god once |
| 18:34.14 | RichardRauch | The times weren't dark? |
| 18:34.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:34.29 | JeffM2501 | they only look dark when viewd from this time |
| 18:34.30 | RichardRauch | How could you tell? It was too dark to see if it was dark. |
| 18:34.32 | bryjen | "less bright" |
| 18:34.34 | RichardRauch | You probably hallucinated. |
| 18:34.35 | JeffM2501 | when you were in them, it was fine |
| 18:34.42 | JeffM2501 | since you didn't even know it could be better |
| 18:34.44 | JeffM2501 | at the time |
| 18:34.52 | JeffM2501 | in those time you were on the cutting edge |
| 18:35.10 | JeffM2501 | 5 years from now, this will be a dark time, before the age of holgrams |
| 18:35.22 | RichardRauch | What? You mean you don't have holograms? |
| 18:35.25 | JeffM2501 | "dude remember when we had to use actual displays" |
| 18:35.38 | RichardRauch | wegstar: I thought you said everyone here was cleared? |
| 18:35.41 | JeffM2501 | "yeah and computers didn't run on water" |
| 18:35.53 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:35.55 | spldart | I'm already wollowing in 3m up and 355 down.... I want a fiber optic to my house now and 1 gig + each way |
| 18:35.56 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:36.00 | RichardRauch | I haven't tried it, but I bet my computer sinks on water. |
| 18:36.01 | wegstar | ? |
| 18:36.36 | spldart | Mine lives on antifreeze |
| 18:37.10 | spldart | I'm just wierd |
| 18:37.10 | RichardRauch | Best way to defeat thermodynamics. |
| 18:37.13 | RichardRauch | ~thermodynamics |
| 18:37.14 | ibot | [thermodynamics] the prospect that you can't win, you can't break even, and you can't quit. Applies equally to physics and casinos and (for some people) bzflag. |
| 18:38.12 | spldart | <yeah the numbers are backwards> |
| 18:38.37 | spldart | I still want 1 gig each way though 8-) |
| 18:39.42 | spldart | LMAO |
| 18:44.25 | spldart | Heading home early. Laterz |
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| 21:22.50 | Carnage__ | JeffM2501? |
| 21:23.09 | Birdie | yo carnyboy! |
| 21:23.20 | Carnage__ | hey o |
| 21:23.41 | Birdie | :) |
| 21:24.20 | lovebug | away |
| 21:24.52 | Grumbler | pull! |
| 21:25.15 | RichardRauch | Thunderstorm. I think I'll shutdown my network for a few hours. Off... |
| 21:25.47 | BenUrban | Grumbler: you missed.... |
| 21:25.55 | BenUrban | lol you didn't even try to shoot it |
| 21:26.05 | Birdie | wow grumblers his first pull in a week i think |
| 21:26.40 | Birdie | hmm possible |
| 21:26.49 | Birdie | would be strange if you dont do it at least once a day |
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| 21:35.50 | Grumbler | i thought i said that with the chicken? :) |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM2501 | did you? |
| 21:36.07 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow wants to revive the chicken |
| 21:36.19 | shorty114 | hmm now to see if i can print through airport |
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| 21:37.12 | Grumbler | ...if you add BG's Grace Park, you will get nothing but praise from me :) |
| 21:41.14 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:43.16 | bryjen | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0661825/ ? |
| 21:43.54 | JeffM2501 | well yes she is hot |
| 21:46.20 | Grumbler | :) |
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| 23:27.41 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: what's the difference between open/closed/hidden groups on bzbb? |
| 23:28.45 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: and is there a mechanism to check if a specific callsign is in a group via the web? I'd like to be able |
| 23:28.55 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: to query if X is in group Y from Python for instance |
| 23:29.03 | JeffM2501 | open == anyone can see the group, and anyone can join |
| 23:29.15 | JeffM2501 | closed == anyone can see the group, only moderator can add |
| 23:29.37 | JeffM2501 | hidden == noone can see unless you are in the group, and moderator can add |
| 23:29.55 | Thumper_ | so if you are a member of a hidden group you can see the members |
| 23:29.58 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, not via phpbb, but tha't is exactly what the list server does when it verifys a token |
| 23:30.05 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, yes IIRC |
| 23:30.10 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 23:30.37 | JeffM2501 | all the server admin groups are hidden |
| 23:30.59 | Thumper_ | ok - thanks was looking for a definition of those things |
| 23:31.05 | Thumper_ | since I can change them... but don't know what they mean :) |
| 23:31.11 | Thumper_ | or didn't before now - thanks |
| 23:31.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah moderator can change them |
| 23:31.30 | JeffM2501 | but shold never |
| 23:31.33 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 23:31.44 | Thumper_ | can groups be used for anything else? |
| 23:31.57 | Thumper_ | it's not possible to PM an entire group for instance is it? |
| 23:32.18 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:32.31 | Thumper_ | kinda like a server admin mailing list for news/info |
| 23:32.32 | JeffM2501 | not yet I think |
| 23:32.38 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's a feature of phpbb2.2 |
| 23:32.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:33.03 | Thumper_ | ok. so I'd like to be able to use the bzbb group list/definitions |
| 23:33.08 | Thumper_ | for say website access privs for the server |
| 23:33.16 | Thumper_ | instead of keeping a 2nd redundant list |
| 23:33.27 | JeffM2501 | what server? |
| 23:33.29 | Thumper_ | which needs to be kept in sync with the bzbb list |
| 23:33.42 | Thumper_ | I have a website for my bzflag servers |
| 23:33.53 | JeffM2501 | we don't expose the groups |
| 23:33.54 | Thumper_ | with 'extra' features for admins |
| 23:34.00 | Thumper_ | ok good enough. |
| 23:34.08 | JeffM2501 | unless you are a game server with a token check |
| 23:34.09 | Thumper_ | I just wanted to know if it was possible or not |
| 23:34.17 | JeffM2501 | well anything is posible |
| 23:34.19 | JeffM2501 | we could expose it |
| 23:34.29 | JeffM2501 | not sure if that's a great idea tho |
| 23:34.30 | Thumper_ | well I _could_ duplicate all that stuff but then I'd be |
| 23:34.45 | JeffM2501 | tho actualy the server never gets a list of all groups |
| 23:34.45 | Thumper_ | getting user passwords and that isn't in the spirit of this user |
| 23:34.49 | Thumper_ | priv check so I won't do that. |
| 23:34.54 | JeffM2501 | the server says "is he in this group?" |
| 23:35.06 | Thumper_ | that's fine. I was thinking admin web users logs into |
| 23:35.11 | JeffM2501 | so the list just says "yes or no" |
| 23:35.13 | Thumper_ | website with valid user/pwd |
| 23:35.36 | Thumper_ | then I can ask bzbb if that user is in group A,B, or C |
| 23:35.36 | JeffM2501 | well you could send that in as a token check and then veryify the token |
| 23:35.43 | Thumper_ | and assign web privs appropriately |
| 23:35.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah that could be done |
| 23:35.53 | JeffM2501 | get the username/pass |
| 23:36.06 | JeffM2501 | send list server a token request |
| 23:36.14 | Thumper_ | yeah the 'bad' part of that |
| 23:36.22 | Thumper_ | is if I turn evil... I can collect user/pwds |
| 23:36.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:36.27 | Thumper_ | so people will have to trust my website |
| 23:36.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:36.45 | Thumper_ | so that's not a great choice. |
| 23:37.03 | JeffM2501 | no mater what you do, unless the site was on my.b.o you'd have that problem |
| 23:37.04 | Thumper_ | I'll just duplicate the list |
| 23:37.11 | JeffM2501 | unless you also had direct access to the passdb |
| 23:37.22 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 23:37.25 | JeffM2501 | what info did you want? |
| 23:38.10 | Thumper_ | website would prompt for user/pwd pair and ask bzbb if they are in one of norang's admin groups (3 groups, 3 requests) |
| 23:38.25 | Thumper_ | and allow access to the site based on 'priv' level |
| 23:38.30 | Thumper_ | or deny access if not in any groups |
| 23:38.51 | Thumper_ | I was going to have local list of valid users with diff pwd's |
| 23:39.01 | Thumper_ | and just wanted to konw if the username is in the list or not |
| 23:39.13 | Thumper_ | but that can't be done w/o the user+pwd |
| 23:39.16 | Thumper_ | and I don't want to collect both |
| 23:39.24 | Thumper_ | since I prefer not exposing user pwds |
| 23:39.26 | Thumper_ | at all |
| 23:39.34 | Thumper_ | bzbb is the sole system with the pwds |
| 23:39.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah basicly your using our db |
| 23:39.51 | Thumper_ | basically |
| 23:39.57 | JeffM2501 | people have to trust that I don't gank there passwords ether |
| 23:40.04 | Thumper_ | I'll just build a local db with my admins in nit |
| 23:40.06 | Thumper_ | and update it. |
| 23:40.07 | JeffM2501 | I could easaly have a scaner on the input form for bzbb :) |
| 23:40.11 | Thumper_ | no big deal. |
| 23:40.22 | JeffM2501 | well the tech is there to do it |
| 23:40.29 | JeffM2501 | so it's just if you want to |
| 23:40.38 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 23:41.01 | JeffM2501 | basicly you'd make a couple web rewuests to the list server |
| 23:41.08 | JeffM2501 | first pretending to be a client |
| 23:41.14 | JeffM2501 | and use the usnername/pass to get a token |
| 23:41.15 | Thumper_ | sure I can do that |
| 23:41.19 | Thumper_ | but I don't want the user pwd |
| 23:41.29 | Thumper_ | which I need to pretend to be the client |
| 23:41.38 | JeffM2501 | if you have a login then you have to get the pass |
| 23:41.41 | JeffM2501 | it's a simple as that |
| 23:41.51 | JeffM2501 | are you going to do logins? |
| 23:41.56 | Thumper_ | yeah but... |
| 23:42.12 | JeffM2501 | do you want those logins to be the same as bb logins? |
| 23:42.20 | Thumper_ | that would be ideal... |
| 23:42.32 | JeffM2501 | well if you don't make them the same, it becomes easy to fake your system you |
| 23:42.42 | JeffM2501 | say I DON't register for your site |
| 23:42.54 | JeffM2501 | somone else makes a new account with the name jeffm2501 |
| 23:43.01 | Thumper_ | they can't |
| 23:43.03 | Thumper_ | i have no local db |
| 23:43.03 | JeffM2501 | then they login with there password, but get my groups |
| 23:43.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah so if you have no local db then your logins have to be the same as mine |
| 23:43.23 | Thumper_ | true |
| 23:43.26 | JeffM2501 | so in that case you have to ask for the password on your site. |
| 23:43.31 | JeffM2501 | no mater what |
| 23:43.36 | Thumper_ | sorry that last db was bzfs db :) |
| 23:43.37 | DTRemenak | not necessarily |
| 23:43.37 | JeffM2501 | so that's a givven |
| 23:43.42 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 23:43.54 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, we make a login page he refrences? |
| 23:44.00 | JeffM2501 | that gives him the token? |
| 23:44.06 | Thumper_ | I have a login link to your page |
| 23:44.07 | DTRemenak | you could have the user ask for the token via a link |
| 23:44.11 | Thumper_ | you get the user/pwd and send back token |
| 23:44.13 | Thumper_ | I deal with token |
| 23:44.17 | DTRemenak | then paste the token only into the text box |
| 23:44.31 | DTRemenak | so all Thumper_ ever sees are usernames and tokens |
| 23:44.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's a fluid workfow :) |
| 23:44.39 | Thumper_ | which is exactly like the server |
| 23:44.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:44.49 | JeffM2501 | the thing is you need something that is the client |
| 23:44.50 | Thumper_ | and i like that much better personally |
| 23:44.52 | DTRemenak | or you could build a light java app that did it all automatically |
| 23:45.10 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, I don't think you'll get people do it, unless you automate it |
| 23:45.14 | DTRemenak | made the token request to bzbb and then sent the token to your page |
| 23:45.20 | DTRemenak | all on the client side |
| 23:45.24 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (~triclops@c211-31-49-112.rivrw7.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:45.24 | Thumper_ | right that's what I mean |
| 23:45.26 | Thumper_ | meant |
| 23:45.34 | DTRemenak | probably could even do it with javascript |
| 23:45.38 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, why could we not have a URL he could call, that would bring up a page from our site that would do the login then send him back the token |
| 23:45.39 | Thumper_ | it has to be automated or it'll be too much of a pain to use |
| 23:45.51 | Thumper_ | but it shoudl _work_ the same as bzclient/bzserver without |
| 23:45.53 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ok then only the javascript has the password |
| 23:45.57 | JeffM2501 | and that is local |
| 23:45.59 | DTRemenak | right |
| 23:46.04 | Thumper_ | one system faking it and pretending to be both (and collecting valid user/pwd pairs) |
| 23:46.10 | JeffM2501 | tho to the end user it's just a form |
| 23:46.15 | Thumper_ | right |
| 23:46.17 | JeffM2501 | be easy to fake out and gank |
| 23:46.22 | Thumper_ | true |
| 23:46.26 | JeffM2501 | one mod to his java and he can get passwords |
| 23:46.31 | JeffM2501 | so it's still a trust issue |
| 23:46.43 | Thumper_ | ok... |
| 23:46.53 | Thumper_ | for now I'll duplicate my admin list with my own private user/pwd pairs for web |
| 23:46.58 | Thumper_ | not matching bzflag user/pwd pairs |
| 23:47.00 | Thumper_ | and use those |
| 23:47.09 | Thumper_ | with standard apache user credential stuff |
| 23:47.11 | DTRemenak | yeah, unless we move said page to m.b.o and do crazy cgi stuff to pass tokens back to the referring URL |
| 23:47.14 | JeffM2501 | it is a valid question, now that we have this authorised user datbase |
| 23:47.18 | Thumper_ | ick. |
| 23:47.20 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah |
| 23:47.40 | DTRemenak | it would not be very difficult but it would be very ugly |
| 23:47.48 | Thumper_ | i was just wondering if it would be possible and better than |
| 23:47.51 | Thumper_ | duplicating all the users |
| 23:47.58 | JeffM2501 | maybe something on our end that only responds to "trusted" users |
| 23:48.05 | Thumper_ | ok so we just bury that idea under the rug for a bit ;) |
| 23:48.20 | JeffM2501 | where we authorise his site as a trusted bzflag partner site |
| 23:48.23 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: why limit it? |
| 23:48.37 | Thumper_ | if I ask your login page site for |
| 23:48.39 | DTRemenak | anyone with bzfs can iterate through and grab groups for any player that logs in |
| 23:48.42 | Thumper_ | token with given user/pwd |
| 23:48.45 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, to prevent people from brute force spamming a page to get passwords |
| 23:48.49 | Thumper_ | I get one or not based on it's validity |
| 23:48.52 | Thumper_ | same as client |
| 23:48.53 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 23:48.57 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: so put a 5 second server timer on it :) |
| 23:49.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:49.03 | Thumper_ | then that token and user goes to my server... |
| 23:49.13 | JeffM2501 | well 5 sec timeer on the list server then :) |
| 23:49.14 | Thumper_ | and it asksyou back if user+token is valid |
| 23:49.17 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:49.17 | Thumper_ | and if in group C |
| 23:49.34 | JeffM2501 | probably should have some check on list server that checks for the same usnername login in a time frame |
| 23:49.34 | Thumper_ | why does my side have to be trusted? |
| 23:49.42 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: actually as it is they can brute force passwords |
| 23:49.43 | JeffM2501 | like 3 in a min or something |
| 23:49.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:49.50 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm saying |
| 23:49.52 | Thumper_ | do I get a list of the group names that user is in? or do I ask for each? |
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| 23:50.00 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, ask for each |
| 23:50.11 | Thumper_ | so 3 groups woudl gen 3 fast requests |
| 23:50.12 | JeffM2501 | that way you don't see groups you are not caring about |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:50.15 | Thumper_ | to figure out which group they are in |
| 23:50.15 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: my point is, a web interface makes no change to the security level :) |
| 23:50.18 | *** part/#bzflag kunphuzil (~Jason@ip-69-10-97-161.cableaz.net) |
| 23:50.31 | Thumper_ | agrees even |
| 23:50.33 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah we have the same point |
| 23:50.56 | Thumper_ | but I have to have YOUR site with the db do the user/pwd check and request |
| 23:50.56 | JeffM2501 | since what we have now IS a web interface :) |
| 23:50.59 | JeffM2501 | it's just ugly |
| 23:51.00 | Thumper_ | direct from the client |
| 23:51.02 | DTRemenak | exactly |
| 23:51.04 | Thumper_ | I can't pass it to you |
| 23:51.17 | trepan | auth. certs woulda been nice ;) |
| 23:51.22 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 23:51.35 | JeffM2501 | did somone do something with like oh say "kerbos" ? |
| 23:51.44 | JeffM2501 | a long wile ago? |
| 23:51.47 | Thumper_ | kerberos? |
| 23:51.51 | DTRemenak | someone did, yeah |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM2501 | difrent auth system |
| 23:52.03 | DTRemenak | kerberos is a pita |
| 23:52.06 | JeffM2501 | geeee I wonder why that got trown out? |
| 23:52.06 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 23:52.10 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 23:52.19 | JeffM2501 | well web isn't that robust a solution :) |
| 23:52.20 | DTRemenak | but it's secure :P |
| 23:52.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:52.29 | Thumper_ | ok thx for the info. gotta put my kid to bed. |
| 23:52.35 | JeffM2501 | security is never easy |
| 23:52.45 | DTRemenak | security is real easy |
| 23:52.55 | JeffM2501 | unplug cat 5 |
| 23:52.57 | DTRemenak | convenient security is the tough thing :) |
| 23:54.28 | JeffM2501 | DNA sample to login! |
| 23:54.51 | purple_cow | kerberos is probably more trouble than it's worth |
| 23:55.08 | DTRemenak | probably, heh. |
| 23:55.15 | DTRemenak | more like certainly |
| 23:55.27 | purple_cow | i can already hear people asking why they have to have their clock set right to log in |
