| 00:07.53 | JeffM2501 | why did I think that email was only like 20 characters? |
| 00:08.04 | JeffM2501 | 128 leaves PLENTY of room for fun stuff :) |
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| 00:15.17 | bryjen | a reasonable email addy shouldn't be that long |
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| 00:16.38 | bryjen | oh, and by the way... |
| 00:16.42 | bryjen | !decks |
| 00:16.43 | guu | http://bzgirl.bzflag.org/decks.html |
| 00:16.55 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 00:18.04 | JeffM2501 | heck is 32 enough? |
| 00:23.10 | bryjen | i meant the 128. one of mine is 21 |
| 00:23.19 | JeffM2501 | I Know |
| 00:23.34 | JeffM2501 | wondering if I use the other 96 if it's cool :) |
| 00:24.16 | JeffM2501 | with the gimme resource message I can put all kinds of id data in there :) |
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| 00:30.37 | trepan | JeffM2501: quick tip, you can hide some model info in unused vertices |
| 00:31.33 | trepan | doing that, you can get sub-object center re-scaled correctly |
| 00:31.56 | trepan | unused texcoords for constant parms, and unused norms for directional |
| 00:32.40 | trepan | that's what i had done for the lights and cameras crap, worked nicely |
| 00:33.07 | JeffM2501 | hmm interesting |
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| 05:03.28 | sniperiid | good morning |
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| 05:33.44 | sniperiid | Pimpi: heya :) |
| 05:33.51 | sniperiid | Pimpi: why left? |
| 05:52.47 | sniperiid | hm.. how i insert to print on screen whats in admins.txt when user typed /help admin or /help admins ? |
| 05:53.01 | sniperiid | coz i forgot |
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| 06:06.35 | jolie | morning |
| 06:09.08 | sniperiid | morning jolie |
| 06:09.15 | sniperiid | here is 9:09 |
| 06:09.18 | sniperiid | AM |
| 06:14.13 | sniperiid | how to set admin privs on someone |
| 06:14.15 | sniperiid | ?? |
| 06:41.27 | sniperiid | Pimpi: how to set priveleges ? |
| 06:42.14 | Pimpi | sniperiid: do you have the bzfs manpage? |
| 06:42.18 | sniperiid | nope |
| 06:42.28 | sniperiid | it working with -password ? |
| 06:43.08 | Pimpi | no, using -password isn't even a good idea |
| 06:43.28 | sniperiid | ok |
| 06:43.35 | sniperiid | well, how then? |
| 06:43.47 | Pimpi | wait a moment, i'll prepare something for you |
| 06:43.51 | sniperiid | ok :) |
| 06:45.10 | sniperiid | gimmy that on private |
| 06:46.30 | RichardRauch | -password isn't a good idea? even if you only have one (local) admin? |
| 06:47.03 | Pimpi | there's nothing to prevent brute force attacks |
| 06:47.09 | sniperiid | -password is good idea just when u have 1 admin.. |
| 06:47.17 | RichardRauch | Nothing except the limitations of bandwidth... |
| 06:47.24 | sniperiid | :P |
| 06:49.37 | sniperiid | Pimpi: what r u doing? :p |
| 06:49.58 | RichardRauch | Assuming only letters (upper and lower case) and a 7-char password, and ignoring protocol overhead, that's about 7.2e12 bytes of data. Or about 6.7TB. |
| 06:49.58 | Pimpi | patience |
| 06:50.06 | sniperiid | ok |
| 06:50.56 | Pimpi | assumed you use paswords not vulnerble to dictionary attacks... |
| 06:50.58 | Pimpi | e.g. |
| 06:51.56 | RichardRauch | Well, yes, assuming that, too. |
| 06:52.05 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 06:52.06 | Pimpi | sniperiid: http://balin.pimpi.org/bzfs.6.html |
| 06:52.11 | sniperiid | k |
| 06:52.22 | Pimpi | this s most recent bzfs manpage |
| 06:52.29 | sniperiid | ok |
| 06:52.47 | Pimpi | already somewhat outdated if you use 2.0.3 |
| 06:53.01 | Pimpi | read below User Management |
| 06:53.17 | sniperiid | k |
| 06:54.11 | Pimpi | you'll need to define a file for groups using the -groupdb flag |
| 06:54.47 | sniperiid | ok :) |
| 06:55.10 | sniperiid | i alrdy set up -groupdb -userdb -passdb flags because i was thinkin i need use them ;) |
| 06:55.43 | Pimpi | yo don't need -passdb unless you want local acounts |
| 06:56.02 | sniperiid | ah ok |
| 06:56.04 | Pimpi | global login and usermanagement works fine without |
| 06:56.09 | sniperiid | ok |
| 06:56.14 | Pimpi | bbl |
| 06:56.23 | sniperiid | k cya |
| 07:02.03 | sniperiid | how to see the player list inbzadmin, like pressing S when in bzflag |
| 07:02.48 | sniperiid | ? |
| 07:09.23 | sniperiid | done.. got it.. |
| 07:09.29 | sniperiid | ~help karma |
| 07:10.00 | sniperiid | ~Pimpi |
| 07:15.23 | sniperiid | how to increase or decrease karma ? |
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| 07:22.06 | noyb | hello again |
| 07:23.26 | noyb | irc has become somewhat addictive for me... |
| 07:25.57 | RichardRauch | Boo. |
| 07:26.20 | RichardRauch | ~ |
| 07:28.26 | creeperz | does anyone have any pictures from my old Heaven vs. Hell map? |
| 07:28.45 | creeperz | with the demon and an angel giving each other the finger and the crazy lasers |
| 07:29.24 | RichardRauch | Not I. |
| 07:29.37 | creeperz | hmmm |
| 07:31.18 | RichardRauch | Quibble with the bzfs man-page: There are also non-random, computer-generated worlds (not just random worlds & human-generated worlds). (^& |
| 07:34.47 | noyb | I've got somehing that was called "Temple of Hell" but I didn't see any demons there... |
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| 07:35.59 | noyb | ~bzfsquery eblah.no-ip.org |
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| 07:48.32 | sniperiid | ~bzfsquery bzflagsrv.servegame.org |
| 07:48.48 | sniperiid | hm why wont work? |
| 07:49.46 | sniperiid | ~bzflagsrv.servegame.org |
| 07:55.04 | _Manu_ | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 07:55.28 | _Manu_ | sniperiid, ;-p |
| 07:56.07 | RichardRauch | ~bzfquery socrates.olib.org:5154 |
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| 07:58.39 | sniperiid | ok manu |
| 07:59.01 | sniperiid | ~bzfquery bzflagsrv.servegame.org:5154 |
| 07:59.09 | sniperiid | :))) |
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| 07:59.36 | sniperiid | yo |
| 07:59.49 | sniperiid | ~bzfquery bzflagsrv.servegame.org:5154 |
| 08:00.26 | _Manu_ | sniperiid, you also can talk bot in private :) |
| 08:00.39 | sniperiid | ~bzfquery eblah.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 08:00.48 | sniperiid | :)) |
| 08:00.51 | sniperiid | ok |
| 08:01.01 | sniperiid | manu, wanna meet me ? 8) |
| 08:01.15 | RichardRauch | Oh, I had a question about administrating... |
| 08:01.41 | RichardRauch | I've been a co-admin/cop/whatever on a server, and found it very annoying to try to get IP numbers when there are many players. |
| 08:01.47 | Birdie | sniperiid: join #botpark and talk with bots there |
| 08:01.48 | RichardRauch | (Too spammy; lots of chat, death, etc.) |
| 08:02.00 | sniperiid | ok |
| 08:02.30 | RichardRauch | Is there a plan to either let one use player names for e.g. /ban, or to let you ask the IP of a specific player? |
| 08:02.30 | _Manu_ | RichardRauch, for what? kick ban...? |
| 08:02.33 | RichardRauch | (Or can that be done?) |
| 08:02.51 | _Manu_ | you can use slots numbers, for example /ban #slot time reason |
| 08:02.53 | RichardRauch | Ban; I seem to recall that kick actually worked with names. |
| 08:03.02 | RichardRauch | Hm. |
| 08:03.19 | _Manu_ | if you are admin you can see numbers bellow names at score list.. |
| 08:03.20 | RichardRauch | I don't remember seeing slot numbers. But the client/server were 1.x versions; are slots new in 2.x? |
| 08:03.28 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 08:03.32 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 08:05.03 | RichardRauch | I don't suppose that a normal cop/admin can track connection histories in any way? sometimes one has a suspicion that a "new" troublemaker is an old one in a new name. If you didn't note the old one's IP and they didn't escalate to the point of needing to be banned... |
| 08:05.08 | _Manu_ | you also can use slots for kick and mute |
| 08:05.19 | sniperiid | jep |
| 08:05.34 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 08:05.57 | _Manu_ | an admin can read the players ip using /playerlist command |
| 08:06.02 | RichardRauch | More than once, I've wished I could compare IP numbers between "different" players logged on at different times. |
| 08:06.04 | sniperiid | yea |
| 08:06.04 | RichardRauch | Yes, I know. |
| 08:06.12 | RichardRauch | But *only* if they are logged in at the time of /playerlist. |
| 08:06.27 | _Manu_ | if you are admin, you probably can read the servers logs |
| 08:07.16 | RichardRauch | So far, I don't know how to do that, except by local access. (In the case in question, I was with remote access, and probably would be classified as a "cop" rather than "admin", strictly speaking.) |
| 08:07.42 | _Manu_ | for reading the server logs you must connect to the server, not using bzflag.. |
| 08:07.58 | RichardRauch | Okay, well then I couldn't have done that on the server where I was nominal admin. |
| 08:08.13 | RichardRauch | I only had bzflag admin access, not system login. (^& |
| 08:08.42 | RichardRauch | (And at that, I didn't have the admin password, just some administrative powers.) |
| 08:08.56 | _Manu_ | well, you also can log some info from your client while you are connected |
| 08:09.16 | _Manu_ | just run bzflag in a console with: bzflag -echo > yourlogfile |
| 08:09.20 | _Manu_ | then can read yourlogfile |
| 08:09.34 | RichardRauch | Maybe I'm not being clear enough. If I had recorded the IP number of every problem player, sure. |
| 08:10.14 | RichardRauch | But suppose that the person was just borderline irritating. (I"ve seen a few of those.) No action taken but a warning. |
| 08:10.32 | RichardRauch | then someone comes back with a 'similar' callsign and similar, but more agressive behavior. |
| 08:11.03 | RichardRauch | (or even just about the same, more to the point, I guess.) If it's the same person, they've had a warning. |
| 08:11.06 | _Manu_ | yes, that's how troublemakers makes |
| 08:11.17 | RichardRauch | If it's a new person, it's time to kick or ban them. |
| 08:11.28 | RichardRauch | (I'm sorry; if it's the same person, it's time to kick/ban.) |
| 08:11.34 | RichardRauch | (If new, then give them a warning.) |
| 08:12.20 | RichardRauch | (Then there are the users that log off just before you get around to them...or who get auto-kicked...) |
| 08:12.53 | RichardRauch | This is a roundabout way of saying: It'd be nice if the server could cache a little connection history for administrative access. (^& |
| 08:14.15 | RichardRauch | Would a feature like that be likely to make it into bzflag if formally requested? Or would I be wasting my time trying? |
| 08:14.40 | _Manu_ | RichardRauch, well yo can talk the server owner for it |
| 08:16.01 | sniperiid | RIchard, time for playing? |
| 08:16.04 | RichardRauch | That wouldn't be very practical for dealing with "live" players. "Such-and-such looks like that other player from 30 minutes ago..." "Okay, I'll email the server owner. Maybe tomorrow I can find out if the's the same guy that I warned 30 minutes ago." |
| 08:16.06 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 08:16.42 | RichardRauch | Nah, I've about played out for the time being, sniper. |
| 08:16.48 | sniperiid | k |
| 08:17.40 | RichardRauch | What I'm talking about would really require the server to provide information to clients running for privileged players, I think. |
| 08:18.07 | _Manu_ | i know what you means |
| 08:18.34 | _Manu_ | but bzflag is for playiing.. |
| 08:19.15 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 08:19.31 | _Manu_ | so, don't waste many time on them |
| 08:20.20 | RichardRauch | Oh well. Thanks. (^& |
| 08:20.34 | sniperiid | :) |
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| 08:23.11 | jolie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.29 | jolie | cause i fail to see it.. |
| 08:23.41 | RichardRauch | Yes. It's a smiley. |
| 08:23.53 | RichardRauch | With squinty eyes (the & bit). |
| 08:23.59 | jolie | ... |
| 08:24.10 | jolie | oOOookay. |
| 08:24.26 | _Manu_ | a smiling pirat :) |
| 08:26.59 | RichardRauch | (Unfortunately, "2.718281828459045..." "cotains illegal characters" for an IRC nick, or so I was told when I tried to set it.) |
| 08:27.41 | _Manu_ | oh, you were pi |
| 08:27.45 | _Manu_ | errr e |
| 08:27.49 | RichardRauch | e, yes. (^& |
| 08:28.20 | Birdie | 2.718..... isnt pi |
| 08:28.41 | _Manu_ | is 3 |
| 08:28.46 | _Manu_ | is e |
| 08:28.51 | RichardRauch | No, but 355/113 is an amazingly easy to remember approximation to 6 digits. |
| 08:28.55 | Birdie | jep little e |
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| 08:38.59 | RichardRauch | Hm. I like the idea of cheat-detection in the clients. |
| 08:39.56 | _Manu_ | RichardRauch, more precise e : http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/e.1mil |
| 08:39.59 | RichardRauch | (Although I don't see why a server shouldn't be allowed to do cheat-detection, too; and unlike clients, it's guaranteed to be in a position to do something about a cheat..) |
| 08:40.11 | RichardRauch | Hah. |
| 08:40.35 | _Manu_ | well, keep in mind what you see at your client side.. is not really what it is |
| 08:40.36 | RichardRauch | You can get that from Maple or Mathematica fairly easily... |
| 08:40.55 | _Manu_ | yes i know.. and using any language ;) |
| 08:41.02 | RichardRauch | (There's that, too...but stats gathering would help people make informed votes...) |
| 08:41.25 | RichardRauch | Well, in most languages you'd have to cobble up an extended precision scheme and then write an algorithm for computing e efficiently... |
| 08:41.32 | _Manu_ | yes, but it means time.. and what happens if most of clients are laggy and jittered.. heh |
| 08:41.45 | _Manu_ | also cheaters teams can do it |
| 08:42.23 | RichardRauch | (But "2.718281828459045..." is exact. I packed infinitely many digits into the "...". Had I left off the "...", it would only be approx. a 64-bit IEEE representation...) |
| 08:42.30 | _Manu_ | you can be the victim for a team of cheaters ;) |
| 08:42.45 | RichardRauch | You coudl always be a victim of a team of cheaters or collaborators. |
| 08:42.55 | _Manu_ | yes, then.. not usefull |
| 08:43.12 | RichardRauch | But I have seen people /poll. Then others say, 'What for?' and cast based at least in part on what others tell them. |
| 08:43.12 | _Manu_ | an important rule is not trust the clients |
| 08:43.32 | RichardRauch | yes, but client trust is built into bzflag, it seems, which is why there are cheaters in the first place. (^& |
| 08:44.00 | _Manu_ | well this is changing with the new versions |
| 08:44.12 | RichardRauch | short of something like an ssh login to verify who the player is, coupled with some kind of prohibitive cost for making throwaway accounts... |
| 08:44.17 | RichardRauch | Ah, is it? |
| 08:44.40 | _Manu_ | yes... |
| 08:45.03 | _Manu_ | slowly but in continuos progress |
| 08:45.23 | RichardRauch | (Anyway, the point is *not* that I would trust, say, your client. The point is that if a /poll were called and I don't know what's up, or haven't seen convincing evidence, I could check my client's analysis. Usually I abstain from votes because I don't have enough info.) |
| 08:45.54 | RichardRauch | (I think that having client summaries would make /poll and /vote more useful. (^& Of course, it is already hosed in one way... |
| 08:45.57 | _Manu_ | you are doing the correct |
| 08:46.07 | _Manu_ | but that's the cops/admins work |
| 08:46.33 | _Manu_ | and if somebody is acting bad, you also can report it |
| 08:46.37 | RichardRauch | Not always a cop/admin around. (^& I assumed that's why /poll was put in... |
| 08:46.39 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 08:46.47 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.01 | RichardRauch | I've used /report, too, but then we're back to "maybe tomorrow something will be done". |
| 08:47.27 | RichardRauch | Oh well. |
| 08:47.38 | RichardRauch | I'm glad to know that clients are being trusted less. |
| 08:49.22 | _Manu_ | and lot's of cheats have been fixed too |
| 08:49.34 | RichardRauch | Speaking of trust models and such, I was trying to find out how to globally register. I looked it up once, but decided that it didn't matter to me at the time (I forget why; maybe I was using the 1.x client)... Is it hiding under my nose? |
| 08:49.42 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 08:50.26 | _Manu_ | for globally register just go to http:/my.bzflag.org/bb create an account and use that password in your bzflag menu |
| 08:51.01 | _Manu_ | heh.. add one slash more: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 08:51.06 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 08:51.09 | RichardRauch | I figured that one out. |
| 08:52.41 | RichardRauch | (tangential: I've heard some people on the radio take to calling the slashes "backslashes". I can only guess that it's due to MS-Windows/-DOS directory names and/or SMB syntax muddying the waters...) |
| 08:53.24 | Pimpi | something like /remember #slot to have the server keep a players object after logout and /compare #slot to check a current player against the stored would probably be nice |
| 08:53.39 | Pimpi | i agree with RichardRauch in that point |
| 08:53.54 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 08:54.38 | _Manu_ | well, server can store some info and manage it |
| 08:55.01 | RichardRauch | (I'd still like'em all to be logged because sometimes the offender leaves---or is auto-kicked---before one thinks to log anything about them.) |
| 08:55.08 | _Manu_ | and as everybody nows ip is not a good way for identify ppl |
| 08:55.14 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 08:55.23 | *** join/#bzflag sniperiid (~sniper_@82.137.26.35) |
| 08:55.57 | RichardRauch | I guess one solution is to go to requiring registration of some kind. |
| 08:56.15 | sniperiid | richard, some new objects on map ? |
| 08:56.17 | sniperiid | :O |
| 08:56.31 | RichardRauch | On my map? Maybe. depends on when you last checked. |
| 08:56.44 | _Manu_ | morning Pimpi ! :) |
| 08:56.53 | sniperiid | ok |
| 08:56.54 | sniperiid | wait |
| 08:56.55 | sniperiid | well |
| 08:56.55 | RichardRauch | I put a color 0 base (psuedo-base) at the top, and put in some wings flags. |
| 08:57.01 | Pimpi | sure, but by storing the whole player object and some sophisticated comparison algorithm it might be much easier to find comparisons |
| 08:57.15 | Pimpi | buenos dias _Manu_ ;) |
| 08:57.19 | sniperiid | address, richard? |
| 08:57.29 | RichardRauch | socrates.olib.org (e's experiment) |
| 08:57.32 | sniperiid | k |
| 08:57.40 | RichardRauch | The wings are low power... |
| 08:57.46 | RichardRauch | But you can flap almost forever. |
| 08:57.57 | RichardRauch | Makes a bit like a flight simulator. (^& |
| 08:58.17 | _Manu_ | you can use name and ip for it... but easy to change the ip and/or the name |
| 08:58.47 | _Manu_ | i think this is only valid for noobs.. professionals troublemakers knows well how avoid it |
| 08:58.58 | RichardRauch | Yes, and some people have dynamic IP. (I have 5 static IPs in one little /29 subnet.) |
| 08:59.24 | _Manu_ | some.. i think most.. of them using dynamic |
| 08:59.38 | Pimpi | unfortunately |
| 08:59.39 | RichardRauch | yes, probably. |
| 08:59.53 | _Manu_ | who is going to make troubles using static.. heh.. just a noob |
| 08:59.59 | RichardRauch | I pay extra for static since I host my own mail server, web server, etc. |
| 09:00.17 | _Manu_ | i don't pay extra for it :) |
| 09:00.48 | RichardRauch | (Oh, BTW: Socrates is my main desktop box. It usually is up 24x7, but I make no guarantees. I keep the other public servers on all of the time.) |
| 09:01.14 | RichardRauch | Ah, lucky you. (^& Are you in IPv6? Do you have a small subnet, or just one IP number? |
| 09:01.27 | sniperiid | k |
| 09:01.33 | _Manu_ | one static ip |
| 09:01.36 | sniperiid | i am not in ipv6 :) |
| 09:01.57 | RichardRauch | I should probably set up a bzflag.olib.org name for the server so that I can relocate it to another machine... |
| 09:02.09 | sniperiid | :) |
| 09:03.19 | sniperiid | Richard, pls , join my srv with bzflag |
| 09:03.22 | sniperiid | and test wings.. |
| 09:03.22 | RichardRauch | (Hey, _Manu_: As the server takes on more responsibilities, how demanding will it get? I read that Ducati was doing nicely on a 75MHz plain Pentium, somewhere...izzat still true? I don't have anything that slow, but...) |
| 09:03.52 | RichardRauch | I can take a quick look, sniper, but I'm still played out...(^& What's your server again? |
| 09:04.05 | sniperiid | wait |
| 09:04.09 | sniperiid | bzflagsrv.servegame.org |
| 09:04.13 | sniperiid | 5154 |
| 09:04.14 | sniperiid | :) |
| 09:04.26 | RichardRauch | ("Username" on the global registration...is that my real name, or the bzflag callsign? Or is callsign somewhere else on the page?) |
| 09:04.42 | sniperiid | the bzflag callsign... |
| 09:04.48 | RichardRauch | Thanks. |
| 09:05.12 | Pimpi | RichardRauch: P 75MHz will still be enough for quite a while |
| 09:05.15 | sniperiid | my srv doesnt support global call signs |
| 09:06.10 | Pimpi | it doesn't? |
| 09:06.15 | sniperiid | it doesnt |
| 09:06.22 | Pimpi | intentiously? |
| 09:07.58 | Pimpi | if your server also suffers from the proxy problem use the -publiclist flag |
| 09:08.22 | Pimpi | same url you use for client to avoid it |
| 09:08.30 | _Manu_ | RichardRauch, well really bzfs doesn't require a powerfull cpu |
| 09:08.39 | Pimpi | breakfast |
| 09:08.58 | bunny | jaa |
| 09:09.11 | bunny | german breakfast orrr english one? |
| 09:13.20 | sniperiid | ok pimpi |
| 09:17.26 | Pimpi | bunny: friesisch |
| 09:17.38 | sniperiid | who knows how to set water on ground ? |
| 09:17.38 | bunny | ugh.. |
| 09:18.32 | RichardRauch | THanks, Pimpi, _Manu_. I didn't think it would, but as I was reading about some of the anti-cheat discussion, one of the things that caused concern was CPU overhead. |
| 09:19.02 | sniperiid | who knows how to set water on ground? |
| 09:19.13 | Pimpi | sniperiid: you want real water level or just the optical effect? |
| 09:19.26 | sniperiid | real water level |
| 09:19.27 | _Manu_ | RichardRauch, actual anti-cheats aren't expensives |
| 09:19.29 | sniperiid | =) |
| 09:19.43 | RichardRauch | (nod) |
| 09:19.47 | Pimpi | sniperiid: it's a map element |
| 09:19.52 | sniperiid | (nod) |
| 09:19.58 | _Manu_ | RichardRauch, probably the most expensive thing is the swears filter |
| 09:20.01 | RichardRauch | (I don't think he wants to drown his tanks that stand in the water...) |
| 09:20.05 | sniperiid | pimpi:how i do ? |
| 09:20.20 | RichardRauch | Really? The language filter is one thing I can't imagine ever using. |
| 09:20.28 | Pimpi | sniperiid: http://balin.pimpi.org/bzw.5.html |
| 09:20.37 | sniperiid | k |
| 09:20.52 | Pimpi | the manpage for the bzw file format |
| 09:20.57 | _Manu_ | RichardRauch, yes without filter cpu usage is near 1% and using multilingual some times uses 3% |
| 09:21.31 | purple_cow | RichardRauch: it's a pretty complete filtering system |
| 09:21.42 | _Manu_ | using paranoid mode i mean ;) |
| 09:21.56 | RichardRauch | The bzw(5) page didn't say anything about non-lethal water that I could see. Did I miss something? (I tried turning it on on a test map, height of 1. Killed everything on the floor.) |
| 09:22.16 | RichardRauch | I've seen it in action, purple_cow. |
| 09:22.54 | RichardRauch | The other day, it filtered out the word "May" at the beginning of a sentence I chatted. Then someone else said something pretty innocuous (you could work out what it was and I tested by repeating the phrase---got filtered, too)... |
| 09:23.14 | RichardRauch | Too agressive. (^& And you can still always work around it by being creative. (E.g., swear in French...) |
| 09:23.56 | sniperiid | Pimpi: no , i want optical efect, my tank is rusted if i go in water .. |
| 09:24.10 | RichardRauch | (Unless you put in a french filter. But...I consider it much like a spelling checker, and you know the saying: Putt knot yore trussed inn you're spilling checquer. |
| 09:24.17 | _Manu_ | using multilingual some simes produce ugly side efects because some words combinations |
| 09:25.03 | sniperiid | Pimpinella: I want optica effect |
| 09:25.04 | sniperiid | pls |
| 09:25.12 | sniperiid | but i g2g eat now |
| 09:25.13 | sniperiid | cua |
| 09:25.58 | RichardRauch | _Manu_ (nod) That's my point. The more inclusive it gets the more artifacts you get. |
| 09:28.31 | RichardRauch | Ah, always a new password. |
| 09:28.57 | _Manu_ | new password? |
| 09:29.06 | _Manu_ | you mean token? |
| 09:29.52 | RichardRauch | No. i mean password for global registration. |
| 09:30.14 | RichardRauch | I've been distracted by IRC and testing sniper's world, so i am still registering.. |
| 09:30.58 | sniperiid | Pimpi:back |
| 09:38.55 | sniperiid | Pimpi: were r u ? |
| 09:45.54 | sniperiid | no body is here??? |
| 09:45.59 | RichardRauch | I'm here. |
| 09:46.15 | sniperiid | ok |
| 09:46.23 | sniperiid | manu, how to set optical water effecT? |
| 09:46.58 | sniperiid | if you know of course |
| 09:47.05 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 09:48.12 | sniperiid | pls tell me |
| 09:48.19 | sniperiid | :P |
| 09:53.37 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@p54B01866.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:53.47 | _Manu_ | sniperiid, /set _mirror water ;-p |
| 09:54.19 | sniperiid | ok :) |
| 09:54.58 | sniperiid | thank u |
| 09:55.54 | _Manu_ | also can try snow :) |
| 09:56.12 | sniperiid | k .. |
| 09:56.23 | sniperiid | wait im changing sth at srfv |
| 09:56.25 | sniperiid | .. |
| 10:00.33 | sniperiid | RichardRauch, test now my srv |
| 10:00.40 | sniperiid | :) |
| 10:01.59 | sniperiid | Richard!! |
| 10:02.03 | sniperiid | Test my server |
| 10:02.08 | RichardRauch | Oh... |
| 10:02.10 | sniperiid | bzflagsrv.servegame.org |
| 10:02.11 | sniperiid | 5154 |
| 10:02.16 | sniperiid | it will look more cool :) |
| 10:02.23 | sniperiid | and you will see waat i mean |
| 10:02.37 | RichardRauch | Chilling, even? |
| 10:02.44 | sniperiid | ?? |
| 10:02.49 | sniperiid | i donno what u mean |
| 10:02.53 | sniperiid | join and look |
| 10:09.07 | Pimpi | sniperiid: got your answer already? |
| 10:09.13 | sniperiid | yea |
| 10:15.38 | orchid | !forget decks |
| 10:15.39 | guu | orchid: I'm sorry, I was listening to AirSupply. |
| 10:16.26 | Birdie | !praise orchid |
| 10:16.29 | Birdie | good morning:) |
| 10:16.56 | orchid | morning :) |
| 10:17.08 | orchid | ibot: forget decks |
| 10:17.08 | ibot | i forgot decks, orchid |
| 10:17.14 | Pimpi | hi Birdie |
| 10:17.22 | Birdie | heya pimpi |
| 10:17.24 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 10:17.27 | orchid | ibot decks is no one plays decks anymore :( |
| 10:17.28 | ibot | okay, orchid |
| 10:17.48 | Pimpi | ~decks |
| 10:17.49 | ibot | [decks] no one plays decks anymore :( |
| 10:18.18 | Pimpi | i/l like to play decks |
| 10:19.00 | purple_cow | orchid: yeah, but we'll remember it fondly |
| 10:19.10 | orchid | purple_cow: damn right |
| 10:20.59 | sniperiid | Richard: u was kickd? |
| 10:21.04 | RichardRauch | "decks" |
| 10:21.07 | sniperiid | ?? |
| 10:21.20 | sniperiid | idont understand english very w3ll |
| 10:21.38 | RichardRauch | No, eye were quitted. |
| 10:21.50 | sniperiid | lol ok |
| 10:22.28 | RichardRauch | What about decks? Was it a bzflag server? Or something unrelated? |
| 10:22.41 | Pimpi | dacks is map |
| 10:22.47 | Pimpi | decks |
| 10:22.51 | purple_cow | decks was a map/gameplay style that was popular about 3-6 years ago |
| 10:23.00 | RichardRauch | Well, okay, map. That's what I meant. (^& |
| 10:23.09 | Birdie | last time on a server was quol who putted it up i think? |
| 10:23.10 | sniperiid | :P |
| 10:23.51 | RichardRauch | From the name, I'd guess that it was a set of floors that you could run (or teleport?) between... |
| 10:26.17 | purple_cow | http://bzflag.org/screenshots/bzfi0005.jpg |
| 10:26.49 | Pimpi | pimpi.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 10:29.45 | CBG | bzbb admin: spam at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4084 |
| 10:30.58 | sniperiid | Richard, if you're 24/7 wit ur srv, can u do me a server at me? |
| 10:31.03 | sniperiid | a server 4 me * |
| 10:31.54 | CBG | Thanks purple-cow. |
| 10:32.57 | sniperiid | Richard, if you're 24/7 with your server, can you de me a server at u? |
| 10:33.43 | sniperiid | fo * |
| 10:33.45 | sniperiid | do ** |
| 10:35.36 | CBG | sniperlid: #snipersrv |
| 10:35.42 | orchid | Pimpi: that map dosent have the hidden room |
| 10:35.45 | RichardRauch | Interesting... |
| 10:35.58 | RichardRauch | What favor? |
| 10:36.11 | sniperiid | Richard do me a srv ;) |
| 10:36.18 | sniperiid | especially a shell acount.. |
| 10:36.20 | sniperiid | ssh |
| 10:36.46 | RichardRauch | I haven't really taken pains to set things up to have people I don't know that well logging into my servers. (^& |
| 10:37.08 | orchid | heh |
| 10:37.12 | RichardRauch | I run a CVS server for my brother, and a mail server, ... |
| 10:37.43 | RichardRauch | Security is never 100%, and a lot more potential problems open up if you let people have local access. |
| 10:38.20 | sniperiid | k.. |
| 10:38.57 | Pimpi | orchid: yep, was just a quick sample though |
| 10:39.05 | orchid | ahh ok |
| 10:39.22 | sniperiid | :) |
| 10:39.37 | sniperiid | Richard, but just a server , u cant ? |
| 10:39.48 | sniperiid | without SSH |
| 10:40.24 | RichardRauch | I could possibly do that as long as it didn't chew up too much bandidth or otherwise become a problem. (^& |
| 10:40.40 | sniperiid | ok |
| 10:40.52 | sniperiid | i will do a clean install of my linux but not now .. |
| 10:41.17 | purple_cow | yikes, it got late |
| 10:41.21 | sniperiid | :P |
| 10:41.38 | sniperiid | :) |
| 10:42.11 | RichardRauch | I will need to read a little about security with bzflag servers. I assume that as long as I run the server as a non-priv'ed user, and chroot it, it should be okay. |
| 10:42.19 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 10:43.17 | sniperiid | lol.. |
| 10:43.20 | RichardRauch | Mind, I can't guarantee uptime. And I *do* sometimes do things that saturate my bandwidth... |
| 10:47.59 | orchid | RichardRauch: theres a chroot article on the bzflag wiki |
| 10:48.19 | RichardRauch | Yeah, I saw it. I didn't read it, but meant to. |
| 10:48.40 | RichardRauch | I assume that the server doesn't need much/anything other than the files you specify for logs, etc... |
| 10:48.53 | RichardRauch | Thanks, orchid. |
| 10:51.34 | *** join/#bzflag dj_long (~dj_long@82.171.239.65) |
| 10:51.35 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-139-232.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 10:52.01 | Pimpi | RichardRauch: you'll need some logs and some files from /etc in your chroot |
| 10:52.13 | Pimpi | though you're on bsd iirc? |
| 10:52.26 | RichardRauch | Yes. |
| 10:52.33 | Pimpi | wouldn't you want to use jail then? |
| 10:52.51 | Pimpi | brb |
| 10:53.00 | RichardRauch | I think that jail is an OpenBSD thing. I'm a little fuzzy on what it is; maybe freeBSD has picked up on it... |
| 10:53.38 | RichardRauch | (It sounds like mostly a chroot convenience tool, from what I've heard...) |
| 10:54.28 | *** join/#bzflag BearPerson (karsten@BearPerson.sourcemage) |
| 10:57.19 | RichardRauch | Hm. |
| 10:57.26 | RichardRauch | I'm not allowed to register my callsign. )^& |
| 10:58.20 | RichardRauch | What characters are allowed in a "Username" at the bzflag registration? (Or what other rules are enforced other than characters allowed/not-allowed?) |
| 10:58.42 | Birdie | what is the name you want to register |
| 10:58.44 | orchid | dunno, what name are you trying with? |
| 10:58.53 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 10:58.55 | RichardRauch | 2.718281828459045... (^& |
| 10:59.10 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
| 10:59.13 | Birdie | propably the "." ? |
| 10:59.17 | BearPerson | taken I think |
| 10:59.32 | BearPerson | at least... I've seen someone with that nick around |
| 10:59.41 | RichardRauch | That's me. |
| 10:59.46 | RichardRauch | At least, it should be me. |
| 10:59.49 | CBG | I saw you on sniperiids server. |
| 10:59.51 | Tupone | orchid: already up? |
| 11:00.04 | RichardRauch | I can't use it here on IRC (it didn't like it). |
| 11:00.07 | CBG | You could fall through the purple bridge thing, right? |
| 11:00.14 | RichardRauch | I guess i could give another expression... |
| 11:00.16 | orchid | Tupone: yes |
| 11:00.16 | RichardRauch | Yeah, that's me. |
| 11:00.16 | Tupone | RichardRauch: why not just use "e" ? |
| 11:00.28 | RichardRauch | Probably won't accept a single-letter name. |
| 11:00.33 | Tupone | :) |
| 11:00.48 | CBG | RichardRauch: Type /nick 2.718281828459045 |
| 11:01.01 | RichardRauch | *** 2.718281828459045 Erroneous Nickname |
| 11:01.08 | CBG | Ah. :( |
| 11:01.10 | RichardRauch | I tried that when I first logged onto IRC this session. |
| 11:01.32 | RichardRauch | (It didn't like my real username of "rkr"...I think it thought that someone else was using it.) |
| 11:01.42 | RichardRauch | I could change my identity, I guess. |
| 11:02.17 | CBG | lol |
| 11:02.28 | CBG | ~google "deedpoll" |
| 11:02.39 | RichardRauch | But I'm attached to e. (^& I could go by "Wendell", a name I've used on some MUDs... |
| 11:03.38 | Tupone | nepler ? |
| 11:05.56 | RichardRauch | "nepler"? What does that have to do with anything? |
| 11:06.59 | RichardRauch | (Or, rather, what is that related to? (^&) |
| 11:12.40 | Tupone | well, we call e that way (neplero constant) |
| 11:13.32 | RichardRauch | Ah. What does "nepler" mean? |
| 11:13.42 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-21-84.paradise.net.nz) |
| 11:14.05 | Tupone | I thought is a person name, but looking at internet, I can't find it |
| 11:14.25 | Tupone | I have in my book, but no reference to a real person |
| 11:14.39 | RichardRauch | Any relation to Leonhard Euler? |
| 11:15.07 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@p54B01866.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:15.23 | Tupone | perhaps is knepler ? |
| 11:15.52 | Tupone | I read that someone says this is named eulero constant, but that is not the name I learn |
| 11:17.29 | RichardRauch | Well, 'e' is in honor of Euler. But Euler's Constant---at least in English usage---is a different number. Atleast according to a reference I have handy: |
| 11:18.35 | RichardRauch | Euler's constant or Euler-Mascheroni constant, n. the constant 0.5772157... (often denoted by lowercase gamma) that is the limit as n tends to infinity of the difference between the sum of n terms of the harmonic series and the natural logarithm of n. It is not known whether this number is algebraic or transcendental, nor even whether it is rational or irrational. |
| 11:18.59 | RichardRauch | Courtesy the Harper Collins Dictionary of Mathematics, compiled by E.J. Borowski & J.M. Borwein. |
| 11:19.00 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 11:20.25 | RichardRauch | Can't find any nep- words in that dictionary, but that's hardly conclusive. (^& |
| 11:20.43 | RichardRauch | (And it is for English-only use...) |
| 11:22.29 | Tupone | someone translated in italian the word, I know is just neplero, but don't know where it is coming from |
| 11:23.06 | RichardRauch | Probably Gauss proved whether it was rational/etc. and didn't bother to publish because he felt that it was too clear to be worth talking about...(^& |
| 11:26.58 | RichardRauch | Well, I am using a new name for now. "Wendell". e will come back if the registration system gets changed to permit 2.718281828459045... |
| 11:27.56 | Tupone | Napier |
| 11:28.11 | Tupone | probably translated in neplero here |
| 11:29.21 | Tupone | or Napier+Eulero -> neplero :) |
| 11:29.29 | Tupone | probably |
| 11:32.51 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (revol@ALyon-253-1-53-231.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:06.12 | RichardRauch | Heh. |
| 13:07.24 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (mr_molez@openwire.metawire.org) |
| 13:14.44 | *** join/#bzflag sniperiid (~sniper_@82.137.26.35) |
| 13:16.02 | sniperiid | hm. my srv is not shown in list |
| 13:17.53 | Mr_Molez | what server ? |
| 13:18.09 | sniperiid | bzflagsrv.servegame.org |
| 13:18.10 | sniperiid | :5154 |
| 13:18.21 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.33 | sniperiid | ? |
| 13:18.45 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery bzflagsrv.servegame.org:5154 |
| 13:19.08 | Mr_Molez | umm maybe it takes a few mins to appear.. try lookin again |
| 13:19.13 | sniperiid | lol |
| 13:19.21 | sniperiid | i have it online from ago 3 hours |
| 13:19.22 | sniperiid | :) |
| 13:19.26 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 13:19.38 | Mr_Molez | and your sure you set it to appear in the config ? |
| 13:19.43 | Pimpi | nah doesn't take minutes |
| 13:19.55 | Pimpi | was it listed before? |
| 13:20.01 | sniperiid | no |
| 13:20.13 | sniperiid | -public "Map by Sniperiid" -publicaddr bzflagsrv.servegame.org |
| 13:20.50 | Pimpi | publiclist? |
| 13:21.07 | sniperiid | no |
| 13:21.18 | sniperiid | -publiclist ,what? |
| 13:22.16 | Pimpi | Tupone gave you an url to use with -list for bzflag |
| 13:22.20 | *** join/#bzflag Dameon (~randy@adsl-70-240-214-170.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 13:22.22 | sniperiid | ah |
| 13:22.27 | sniperiid | wait lookin in history |
| 13:22.32 | Pimpi | use the same with -publiclist |
| 13:22.38 | sniperiid | k |
| 13:22.42 | Dameon | Some of you may remember me as LordSarpedon.... |
| 13:23.00 | sniperiid | k |
| 13:23.46 | Dameon | The 2.0.2 release (using sources from march 18, 2005, not cvs) have some notable security issues |
| 13:24.31 | sniperiid | well |
| 13:24.33 | sniperiid | i do that now |
| 13:24.38 | sniperiid | can u test it? |
| 13:24.45 | Dameon | Number 1....MsgGrabFlag works on flags regardless of where they are. I can grab a GM from across the map |
| 13:24.46 | sniperiid | i mean someone |
| 13:26.12 | sniperiid | hm |
| 13:26.18 | sniperiid | my srv not seen |
| 13:26.59 | Dameon | This one is a little trickier to patch....gravity can be ignored for example as their are no checks on client velocity. I suppose a check could be made on the serverside if a client has a Y velo of 0 while location is InAir |
| 13:27.27 | Dameon | Though the server might not store that |
| 13:27.39 | sniperiid | :L |
| 13:27.45 | Pimpi | these checks already existed as patches for 1.10 |
| 13:28.05 | Dameon | Im using the 2.0.2 source |
| 13:28.05 | Pimpi | maybe to author ports them some day |
| 13:28.10 | _Manu_ | perhaps i must translate it to 2.0 |
| 13:28.15 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 13:28.17 | Pimpi | th author |
| 13:28.17 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 13:28.20 | Dameon | I could submit a patch if you would like |
| 13:28.25 | sniperiid | i must shut down my computer |
| 13:28.25 | Chestal | there is a check for grabbing distant flags, maybe it's not working correctly? |
| 13:28.26 | sniperiid | cu |
| 13:28.36 | Chestal | Dameon: or are you teleporting to get it? |
| 13:28.37 | Dameon | Chestal: Maybe in the CVS? |
| 13:28.44 | _Manu_ | ChanServ, yes, it works fine AFAIK |
| 13:28.49 | Chestal | Dameon: no, the check has been there since 1.10 IIRC |
| 13:29.17 | Dameon | Chestal: No. I'm sending MsggrabFlag with any flag index I desire. I'm considering that it may be old servers |
| 13:29.21 | Chestal | I've seen in it my logs every now and then |
| 13:29.39 | Dameon | Will a 2.0.2 client log on to an older server? |
| 13:29.41 | Chestal | the check should predate all running servers |
| 13:29.46 | Chestal | maybe it's just a bug, don't know |
| 13:29.59 | Dameon | THe reason i tried something so obvious.... |
| 13:30.00 | Chestal | all 2.0.x are compatible |
| 13:30.24 | Dameon | Is that I didnt find a kick message in the bzfs source for invalid flab grabs |
| 13:30.31 | Dameon | There, however, is a check for *captures* |
| 13:30.42 | _Manu_ | no kick.. just stop you grab it |
| 13:30.44 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.51 | Chestal | those messages are in my logs |
| 13:31.04 | Dameon | Ah, i found it now.... |
| 13:31.09 | _Manu_ | another thing is what you get from you client.. |
| 13:31.19 | Chestal | I woudl assume, it woudl just ignore those grab msgs then |
| 13:31.23 | Dameon | Seems to be a debugline only |
| 13:31.23 | _Manu_ | you can ignore the message.. but if you shoot you are kicked |
| 13:31.49 | Dameon | Ahhh.... |
| 13:32.08 | Dameon | Sync issue then. My client still received a grabflag from the server |
| 13:32.19 | Chestal | well, same as just setting the flag locally, no need to send fake grab message in the first place then |
| 13:32.42 | Dameon | My mistake. Sorry. I was specifically searching for Kicks |
| 13:32.42 | Chestal | then it's a bug? it shouldn't give you the flag |
| 13:32.56 | _Manu_ | no is not a bug.. is how it works |
| 13:33.02 | Dameon | Hmmmm |
| 13:33.07 | _Manu_ | but i'll check it.. :) |
| 13:33.23 | Dameon | After sending a MsgGrabFlag, I was notified I picked it up |
| 13:33.26 | Chestal | I assumed that server would only reply with MsgGrab if grab actualyl happens |
| 13:33.33 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 13:33.43 | Chestal | but Dameon said he recvd a MsgGrabFlag |
| 13:33.51 | Dameon | Note that I just sent a message, I didnt locally set it. The flag is being set in the message loop, for Msggrabflag |
| 13:34.02 | Dameon | Might be a mistake on my part |
| 13:34.16 | _Manu_ | yes, probably.. well you can grab a flag and then shoot... |
| 13:34.16 | Dameon | I am going to start a local server and look at the logs |
| 13:34.43 | _Manu_ | if the server gived you the flag no problem.. if not.. kicked because wrong shots |
| 13:34.59 | Dameon | Manu: I tried spoofing the FiringInfo....that seems to kick properly. But in the case when i kept getting a shockwave flag, I wasnt kicked for wrong shots |
| 13:35.08 | Dameon | Testing now |
| 13:35.22 | _Manu_ | well.. it must work except for TH |
| 13:35.39 | _Manu_ | but not tested since 1.10 |
| 13:36.55 | Dameon | I tested on a local server (server unmodified) |
| 13:36.57 | _Manu_ | and also test if you can kill a player with your SW... |
| 13:37.20 | _Manu_ | what you see in your client is not what other players |
| 13:37.28 | Dameon | Results: As I have been perveiving, after jumping and landing (at least the way my little mod is set up) I receive the flag. |
| 13:37.28 | _Manu_ | because your mod client |
| 13:37.40 | Dameon | Yes...killing worked. I killed mutliple players while above them |
| 13:37.51 | _Manu_ | then this need a check :( |
| 13:38.02 | Dameon | I am alarmed because the check should work |
| 13:38.11 | Dameon | Allow me to check my server logs to see if it got logged at all |
| 13:38.33 | Chestal | oopsa |
| 13:38.33 | Dameon | ...where are the logs now? *blush* |
| 13:39.34 | Dameon | Where does bzfs store its logs? |
| 13:39.51 | Dameon | does it need to be started via commandline to log? |
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| 13:52.04 | orchid | ./bzfs -echo >> server.log |
| 13:52.15 | orchid | oops, no, -d |
| 13:52.23 | orchid | -echo is for the client |
| 13:53.21 | _Manu_ | bzfs -d -d -d >> logfile |
| 13:54.16 | Dameon | ok |
| 13:54.50 | _Manu_ | every -d is for debuglevel... from 0 to 4 |
| 13:55.13 | Dameon | Im trying to make sure some flags appear :) |
| 13:55.54 | RichardRauch | Jolie, didn't you change jolie-=>bunny earlier? Back and forth? |
| 13:56.19 | Dameon | okay....in my test I remotely acquired a shockwave and superbullet |
| 13:56.25 | jolie | RichardRauch: yes, thats is correct. |
| 13:56.35 | Dameon | There wasnt anyrthing logged..... |
| 13:56.48 | Dameon | nevermind nevermind |
| 13:57.05 | Dameon | two sections looked the same |
| 13:57.23 | Dameon | Player Dameon [0] 290.540009 -330.119995 0.000000 tried to grab distant flag 53.973255 -69.512436 0.000000: distance=351.966090 |
| 13:57.37 | Dameon | However, I succesfully acquired and fired with the flags |
| 13:57.50 | Dameon | There were no log messages about invalid shots |
| 13:59.11 | _Manu_ | then must be a bug |
| 13:59.19 | Dameon | there were a fair number of logged messages. and as per usual, I only got the flag after I jumped and landed |
| 13:59.59 | _Manu_ | let me check it |
| 14:00.15 | Dameon | I believe that has something to do with spawning.... |
| 14:00.26 | Dameon | If you would like live verification, I could show you on a server |
| 14:00.39 | Dameon | that would also show whether or not it is replicated to other clients |
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| 14:14.14 | _Manu_ | can you connect: jujibo.homelinux.net:5154 and just distant grab a flag? |
| 14:14.42 | sniperiid | how i add a group ? |
| 14:15.19 | _Manu_ | Daemon: can you connect: jujibo.homelinux.net:5154 and just distant grab a flag? |
| 14:15.37 | sniperiid | how to add a group? |
| 14:15.43 | sniperiid | pls |
| 14:15.45 | sniperiid | tell me cmd |
| 14:15.49 | _Manu_ | add it to your group file |
| 14:15.53 | sniperiid | lol... |
| 14:15.55 | _Manu_ | with the groups rights |
| 14:16.04 | sniperiid | im not expert on this.. |
| 14:16.12 | _Manu_ | take a look at the wiki |
| 14:16.17 | sniperiid | k |
| 14:23.01 | sniperiid | who wants to be a cop on my srv? |
| 14:23.09 | sniperiid | you will be able to |
| 14:23.15 | sniperiid | KICK BAN BANLIST UNBAN |
| 14:30.36 | Dameon | Sorry, Manu |
| 14:30.38 | Dameon | I was away |
| 14:30.49 | _Manu_ | i see |
| 14:30.59 | Dameon | Ill connect now |
| 14:31.15 | _Manu_ | ok |
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| 14:33.06 | Grumbler | Dameon, where you on secretplace last night running without flags |
| 14:37.34 | Grumbler | ugh, who borked the autogen.sh |
| 14:37.50 | Grumbler | lots of obselete refereneces |
| 14:38.21 | Dameon | Gaah what happened to my source. |
| 14:38.24 | Dameon | Indeed grumbler |
| 14:38.32 | _Manu_ | join again.. Dameon |
| 14:38.46 | Dameon | Allow me to check my source first...perhaps I made a change..... |
| 14:39.15 | _Manu_ | join now.. you can see the flags now ;) |
| 14:39.51 | Dameon | I added some extra checks to prevent inadvertently DoSing the server with invalid requests |
| 14:39.59 | Dameon | Perhaps one is wrong...im peeking at it |
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| 14:40.05 | _Manu_ | is not that... just connect again |
| 14:45.01 | _Manu_ | anti-cheat working as expected |
| 14:45.27 | sniperiid | well, where to get anticheat? |
| 14:45.37 | _Manu_ | anti-cheat is inside the server |
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| 14:46.24 | sniperiid | lol manu ok |
| 14:46.34 | Dameon | Ok Manu... |
| 14:46.43 | Dameon | Confirmed it on the first Hepcat server |
| 14:46.52 | sniperiid | ~bzfquery bzflagsrv.servegame.org |
| 14:46.53 | Dameon | (banned from Spiral zone) ;) |
| 14:46.53 | jolie | jaja _Manu_ eres el hombre del momento *g* |
| 14:46.58 | sniperiid | :)) |
| 14:47.25 | _Manu_ | jolie, :) |
| 14:47.33 | sniperiid | who wants to play on my srv? |
| 14:47.47 | sniperiid | i've maked it un laggy |
| 14:47.48 | sniperiid | :) |
| 14:47.48 | Grumbler | tupone, autogen is borked, with autoreconf......obselete commands, etc |
| 14:47.49 | Dameon | Sniperiid....mind if i test your serv for flag-grabbing bug? |
| 14:48.01 | sniperiid | dameon yes |
| 14:48.08 | Dameon | You mind? Or dont mind? |
| 14:48.23 | sniperiid | mind |
| 14:48.26 | Dameon | Alright |
| 14:48.36 | Grumbler | ~seen tupone |
| 14:48.37 | ibot | tupone <~Tupone@host-84-222-138-228.cust-adsl.tiscali.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 16h 2m 26s ago, saying: 'and it was not read correctly. Cya'. |
| 14:48.43 | Dameon | Manu: Know what version hepcat is running? |
| 14:48.55 | _Manu_ | you can get it when connected... ;) |
| 14:49.01 | Dameon | Silly me :) |
| 14:49.40 | Dameon | Alarming |
| 14:49.51 | Dameon | Its using 2.0.3 DEVEL from 2005/6/05 |
| 14:50.01 | Dameon | Which is very recent |
| 14:50.09 | _Manu_ | well, then is buggy.. perhaps running custom code |
| 14:50.20 | Dameon | But for the strangest reason it picks up shockwave almost exclusively |
| 14:51.09 | _Manu_ | i added SW to my test server.. try it |
| 14:51.12 | Dameon | Ok |
| 14:51.23 | Dameon | I doubt it will make a difference, just an observation |
| 14:54.35 | Dameon | it is peculiar that the ID flag is required for proper operation |
| 14:54.47 | Dameon | It shouldnt be...the world list of flags is complete anyway |
| 14:55.07 | _Manu_ | no.. the ID flag is because another anti-cheat |
| 14:58.03 | _Manu_ | anti-cheat works for any flag :) |
| 14:59.01 | Dameon | I didnt get hud notifications (from my cheat) when you didnt have ID |
| 14:59.15 | Dameon | And I found that enterprise.webmasters.at was vulnerable |
| 14:59.23 | Dameon | Running 2.0.1 from feb 05 |
| 14:59.24 | _Manu_ | yes, that's how hideflag anti-cheat works.. |
| 14:59.34 | _Manu_ | that cheat is old.. from dj28 |
| 14:59.42 | Dameon | Really |
| 14:59.49 | Dameon | Interesting |
| 14:59.51 | _Manu_ | yes, an old cheater.. |
| 14:59.59 | Dameon | This ID anticheat is peculiar |
| 15:00.26 | _Manu_ | well the server doesn't send you the flag types.. then your client thinks all are PZs |
| 15:00.27 | Dameon | Why would world->getFlag(index) behave any differently because ID is absent! |
| 15:00.35 | Dameon | Oh, i see..... |
| 15:00.39 | _Manu_ | because is managed by the server.. |
| 15:00.53 | Dameon | And when you pickup, it sends the flagtype? |
| 15:01.12 | _Manu_ | no.. it works different if the map has ID or not |
| 15:01.19 | Dameon | Ah |
| 15:01.42 | Dameon | An...interesting...workaround |
| 15:01.51 | _Manu_ | if there is one ID the client need to know all the flags in the map for the nearest flag message |
| 15:02.15 | Dameon | Ok |
| 15:02.29 | Dameon | The flying cheat needs to be patched.... |
| 15:02.44 | _Manu_ | yes, i'm on it |
| 15:02.45 | Dameon | Very difficult to hit, considering you cant aim up or down :) |
| 15:03.21 | Dameon | It would be somewhat simpler if the server maintained the location of the players (such as OnBuilding) as in the client |
| 15:03.23 | Dameon | Does it? |
| 15:03.32 | _Manu_ | not really.. |
| 15:03.50 | Grumbler | that is the game state argument |
| 15:04.01 | Grumbler | which gets shot down |
| 15:04.03 | Dameon | Yes...I was trying to patch the server some time ago. It doesnt have that much |
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| 15:04.53 | Dameon | dosnt include Player.h for one thing |
| 15:05.00 | Dameon | So player data is limited.... |
| 15:05.33 | Dameon | 2.0.1 is fairly recent. I thought as you said that the anti-grab has been around for a while |
| 15:06.26 | _Manu_ | this anticheat was added in 1.11 because one cheater used it for capturing the team flag from base to base.. lol |
| 15:06.36 | Dameon | Heh |
| 15:06.45 | _Manu_ | he just respawned... started to capturing .... o_O |
| 15:06.49 | _Manu_ | annoying |
| 15:06.53 | Dameon | And yet a 2.0.1 server is vulnerable, while 2.0.3 is not? |
| 15:07.17 | _Manu_ | dunno iirc is must work since 2.0.0 |
| 15:07.46 | _Manu_ | 2.0.1 is dev version... probably something broken |
| 15:08.39 | _Manu_ | and the last cheat i recall is the endshot cheat |
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| 15:09.25 | sniperiid | ~seen Pimpinella |
| 15:09.26 | ibot | pimpinella <~frank@p5481947F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 18h 47m 12s ago, saying: 'that crappy matchserver still refuses to crash, prolly it only does on woody'. |
| 15:09.40 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 15:10.01 | Dameon | I remember that a 1.x version I was using....servers were veeery vulnerable |
| 15:10.04 | _Manu_ | nice sentence.. heh |
| 15:10.24 | _Manu_ | yes, it was added last days |
| 15:10.35 | Dameon | Stopping all shots, weapon selection......teleportation..... |
| 15:10.43 | Dameon | Is teleportation patched in 2.0.3? |
| 15:11.10 | _Manu_ | welll i have the anti-cheat teleportation, speed... (true speed) |
| 15:11.14 | _Manu_ | but is not in cvs yet |
| 15:11.24 | Dameon | I see |
| 15:11.31 | Dameon | Good to see someones working on it |
| 15:11.35 | sniperiid | Manu, r u a developer? |
| 15:11.40 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 15:11.48 | sniperiid | ok |
| 15:12.08 | _Manu_ | but not using this callsign ;) |
| 15:12.24 | Dameon | I was going to try to rewrite some of the netcode at one point....but Im just a .net developer. Yes, shame |
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| 15:12.50 | _Manu_ | you medn dot.net? |
| 15:12.51 | Dameon | Are there any known cheats floating around? I'd like to replicate and test them |
| 15:13.20 | _Manu_ | still some are working... like subtle cheats, God mode... |
| 15:13.22 | Dameon | No...the .net framework by microsoft (more recently an open source project called Mono has been implementing it) |
| 15:13.29 | Dameon | God mode isn't patched? |
| 15:13.33 | Dameon | Wow |
| 15:13.36 | meacan | Dameon: what would you change (netcode) |
| 15:13.37 | _Manu_ | is what imean |
| 15:13.53 | _Manu_ | as the code is, is difficult to fix with minor changes |
| 15:13.59 | Dameon | God mode...to patch that I would have a temporary voting system |
| 15:14.05 | _Manu_ | in a decent way.. heh |
| 15:14.11 | Dameon | Add one message type which can be used in the future |
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| 15:14.27 | Dameon | Since clients maintain more state than the server....a Survivor system :) |
| 15:14.39 | _Manu_ | yes, a voting system can work... but also lots of problems.. |
| 15:14.56 | Dameon | When a set ratio of clients complain that another client is not responding to hits |
| 15:14.56 | _Manu_ | you can imagine a cheaters team? ;) |
| 15:15.24 | Dameon | if 2/3 of the people are cheating, then perhaps we should leave them alone :) |
| 15:15.29 | _Manu_ | and perhaps the most important rules for bet is... never trust the clients |
| 15:15.40 | _Manu_ | s/bet/nbet |
| 15:15.40 | Dameon | I never trust clients.... |
| 15:15.43 | _Manu_ | net... |
| 15:15.52 | Dameon | But I can trust clients to bitch about other clients ;) |
| 15:15.53 | _Manu_ | you does if allows votes |
| 15:16.24 | Dameon | Perhaps if Player.h was include'd by bzfs.cxx..... |
| 15:16.35 | Dameon | With some *heavy* modification we'd have a lot more state to work with |
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| 15:16.42 | _Manu_ | is not only that... |
| 15:16.51 | Dameon | Yeah.... |
| 15:17.01 | Dameon | Its in a bad state |
| 15:17.25 | jolie | ... |
| 15:17.35 | Dameon | Automatic voting by the clients would certainly be a temp fix |
| 15:17.35 | _Manu_ | well, bzflag is maturing... and under continues working |
| 15:17.42 | Dameon | But should work |
| 15:18.18 | _Manu_ | yes.. but many factors can make false checks.. like lag, jitt.. |
| 15:18.43 | Dameon | Indeed. But as with other checks, there would have to be some threshold.... |
| 15:19.26 | Dameon | If lag is high enough on a client that shots repeatedly dont hit when they should, then the client is likely going to be kicked for high ping |
| 15:19.38 | Dameon | It has its drawbacks, yes |
| 15:20.02 | Dameon | Until server maintains as much player state as the client does I dont see many other options |
| 15:20.25 | Dameon | Bbl |
| 15:21.45 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 15:23.05 | Dameon | back...gone again soon |
| 15:25.04 | Dameon | does the standard server detect firinginfo that doesnt match the current flag? |
| 15:25.15 | Dameon | i know it used to work |
| 15:25.16 | _Manu_ | yes... |
| 15:25.40 | _Manu_ | only one wrong shot.. and kicked |
| 15:25.41 | Dameon | Ok |
| 15:25.46 | Dameon | Hmmmm |
| 15:26.15 | _Manu_ | it used to work in 1.10... and older |
| 15:26.17 | Dameon | Whats the message for the kick? |
| 15:26.54 | _Manu_ | Player shot mismatch |
| 15:26.59 | Dameon | Found it |
| 15:27.09 | _Manu_ | well.. that's for server logs.. k |
| 15:27.34 | Dameon | I see only one problem with it |
| 15:27.50 | Dameon | The server doesnt track what the client actually has stolen with thief.... |
| 15:27.55 | _Manu_ | the TH? |
| 15:27.59 | _Manu_ | yes, it does... ;) |
| 15:28.15 | Dameon | So if i could get a Thief flag I could switch weapons at will without getting kicked |
| 15:28.17 | Dameon | Hmmm? |
| 15:28.17 | _Manu_ | this work with another anti-cheats |
| 15:28.24 | _Manu_ | no... :) |
| 15:28.59 | _Manu_ | but you probably may spend time in doing better things than cheats... |
| 15:29.17 | Dameon | Heh. Indeed |
| 15:29.29 | Dameon | Cheating has been fixed alot since my last visit to Bzflag |
| 15:29.33 | _Manu_ | because if one anticheat fails.. also there are cops, admins.... behind you |
| 15:29.47 | Dameon | What should I work on, in your opinion? |
| 15:29.55 | Dameon | But I need to go :) Cya later |
| 15:30.00 | _Manu_ | bye! |
| 15:48.20 | Birdie | wow |
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| 17:47.27 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 18:01.03 | Grumbler | pull! |
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| 18:26.32 | Dameon1 | Back on a different comp |
| 18:26.47 | RichardRauch | still here on the same comp |
| 18:27.05 | RichardRauch | Hey, you're in Houston? Small planet! |
| 18:27.23 | Dameon1 | Indeed |
| 18:27.39 | Dameon1 | Not exactly downtown tho |
| 18:28.14 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 18:28.26 | RichardRauch | I'm near 59 SW freeway and Chimney Rock. |
| 18:28.50 | RichardRauch | (Just outside of the 610 loop.) |
| 18:29.12 | RichardRauch | (And I'm going to be over in Montrose district in a couple of hours. (^&) |
| 18:30.45 | Dameon1 | I need to brush up on my C++ skills.... |
| 18:31.06 | Dameon1 | Need a simple feature to implement.... |
| 18:31.22 | Dameon1 | What about sorting the server list by something other than player count? |
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| 18:38.28 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, webchat cgi dosn't seem to work under the new apache |
| 18:42.15 | trepan | that's an improvement |
| 18:42.26 | menotume | BearPerson: there's a bug having to do with localplayer vs remote player, i'm fixing it and making the sort efficient :) |
| 18:42.36 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 18:42.39 | JeffM2501 | I was going to thank him |
| 18:42.50 | JeffM2501 | tho I was going to use it when I went downstairs to work on a server |
| 18:43.13 | trepan | get a real client ;) |
| 18:43.34 | JeffM2501 | was trying not to install anything on server |
| 18:44.02 | RichardRauch | What sort? |
| 18:44.19 | RichardRauch | (What sort are you making efficient, that is...) |
| 18:44.22 | menotume | scoreboard sort |
| 18:44.50 | RichardRauch | Um, you have no more than, what, 40 or 50 (most I've seen is 40). Does it matter how efficient that sort is? (^& |
| 18:44.57 | RichardRauch | Or is it just for the sake of doing it? |
| 18:45.09 | menotume | the sort compare function makes a lot of calls |
| 18:45.23 | menotume | and, yes, for the sake of doing it |
| 18:45.27 | RichardRauch | Ah... |
| 18:46.06 | RichardRauch | Well, that's worth doing, then. (^& |
| 18:46.19 | menotume | :) |
| 18:46.28 | RichardRauch | Here's a string that was caught by a game filter, by the way (I see nothing offensive): |
| 18:46.34 | RichardRauch | Ah, 2718281828459045 |
| 18:46.50 | menotume | phone number ? |
| 18:46.55 | RichardRauch | (That was in response to the suggestion of dropping the "." character from my callsign...) |
| 18:47.07 | RichardRauch | The first 16 digits of e, without decimal point or trailing elipsis. |
| 18:47.36 | menotume | perhpas it thought it was a phone number :) |
| 18:47.47 | RichardRauch | (2.718281828459045...) We were discussing on hepcat that I couldn't register the callsign that I'd been using for months because the bulletin board didn't like it. |
| 18:48.02 | RichardRauch | It treated the "Ah," as obscene, too, rendering something like: |
| 18:48.22 | RichardRauch | !@# !@#$%^&*()_!@#$% |
| 18:48.23 | guu` | RichardRauch: I'm sorry, that makes NO FREAKING SENSE to me what so ever. |
| 18:48.30 | menotume | lol |
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| 18:48.48 | RichardRauch | I agree, guu`. It made no sense to me, either, which is why I wondered why the server thought it was offensive... |
| 18:49.27 | KTL | euh, defman found something strange in the new version |
| 18:49.55 | KTL | one can not jump the usual way from the top of a teleporter |
| 18:50.23 | KTL | if you jump then it 'll be perfectly vertical, no change in the horizontal plane |
| 18:52.07 | KTL | and apart from that, maybe the bug where a tiny can shoot himself when he lurks against an outher wall should be looked at |
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| 18:52.38 | RichardRauch | Heh. |
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| 18:54.16 | _Manu_ | KTL, long time not seen you |
| 18:54.43 | KTL | i don't play as much, until yesterday, then i found hashmark again and i played until 4 after midnight |
| 18:55.19 | KTL | a lot of memories come back too:-) all old names join that servers |
| 18:55.20 | _Manu_ | still the modified mad city? |
| 18:55.23 | KTL | server |
| 18:55.25 | KTL | yes yes |
| 18:55.32 | KTL | with as good as the old configuration |
| 18:55.34 | KTL | no wings |
| 18:56.23 | _Manu_ | still playing with the teleporteres? ;) |
| 18:56.27 | KTL | i discovere purple panzer there right where i expected him, with laser behind the porter in the corner |
| 18:56.29 | KTL | of course :-) |
| 18:56.48 | KTL | i don't need a genocide flag there to do genocides :-) |
| 18:56.57 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 18:57.02 | KTL | snow plays too |
| 18:57.16 | KTL | and we saw xtra/punisher joining, he got our focus |
| 18:57.26 | KTL | for once he did not say "I ALLWAY WIN!!" |
| 18:57.35 | _Manu_ | oh.. the punisher.. he is annoying now |
| 18:57.51 | KTL | now? has allways been annoying :-) |
| 18:58.01 | _Manu_ | he is getting banned in most of servers |
| 18:58.47 | _Manu_ | and as a revenge against me i uses some times callsign "manu dead" lol |
| 18:58.48 | KTL | strange that he does not change, he did the same way more then a year ago too |
| 18:59.00 | _Manu_ | mean he uses |
| 18:59.34 | KTL | and snow monkey plays a lot there too |
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| 18:59.45 | KTL | didn't see razzberry yet |
| 18:59.50 | _Manu_ | yes.. sn0wm0nkey :) |
| 19:00.06 | _Manu_ | last time i saw razz was six months ago |
| 19:00.21 | KTL | mmm, can't have been so long for me |
| 19:00.44 | _Manu_ | he used another callsign |
| 19:00.57 | _Manu_ | but i think he got bored because lost his skill |
| 19:01.58 | _Manu_ | another old player is Dervish Dukot, he is playing again |
| 19:02.06 | KTL | i lost skill too, except for hashmark it seems, the whole map was in my mind the whole time without hashmark |
| 19:02.12 | KTL | Ah |
| 19:02.20 | KTL | dervish... i allmost never played against him |
| 19:02.41 | KTL | i remember shooting in his back more then a year ago in hashmark and that's it hehe |
| 19:02.43 | _Manu_ | he usually played at kernel panic server.. toorkeymonk |
| 19:02.55 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-167-2-22.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 19:03.00 | _Manu_ | or some else.. heh... toorkeymoongroup.. |
| 19:03.11 | KTL | turkey moongroup i guess |
| 19:03.34 | KTL | kernel klink... i expect him back too there soon |
| 19:03.40 | _Manu_ | don't remember now exactly but yes.. perhaps the - linking the two words |
| 19:03.57 | lan56 | in playing.cxx I get the error "../src/bzflag/playing.cxx:107:22: messages.h: No such file or directory" and I used search too look through all of /src/ and /include/ and it can't find it, I just updated about 2 minutes ago |
| 19:05.05 | _Manu_ | lan: /bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx |
| 19:05.14 | _Manu_ | try uptate cvs |
| 19:05.37 | lan56 | I guess I could try again |
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| 19:07.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 19:07.23 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 19:07.31 | _Manu_ | jolie, :) |
| 19:07.37 | lan56 | still doesn't have it, I cvs updated /include/ and /src/ and all sub dirs just now and still can't find it, "find" still can't either |
| 19:07.56 | lan56 | where is it supposed to be? maybe I need to update something else? |
| 19:08.08 | _Manu_ | probably... |
| 19:08.25 | _Manu_ | well may be there is a problem in anoncvs |
| 19:08.36 | lan56 | I am not using anonymous cvs |
| 19:08.49 | _Manu_ | oh.. let me check |
| 19:09.10 | _Manu_ | lan56, yes.. i missed it :) |
| 19:09.25 | lan56 | missed what? |
| 19:09.39 | _Manu_ | more than one file.. |
| 19:09.54 | _Manu_ | well i updated now.. and seems it's there |
| 19:10.03 | _Manu_ | bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx |
| 19:10.14 | lan56 | do you know what directory it is in? |
| 19:10.24 | _Manu_ | i wrote it.. |
| 19:10.29 | lan56 | messages.h |
| 19:10.34 | lan56 | it can't find messages.h |
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| 19:11.47 | lan56 | playing.cxx includes messages.h |
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| 19:11.56 | _Manu_ | i haven't messages.h |
| 19:12.11 | _Manu_ | mmm |
| 19:13.01 | _Manu_ | yes... i'll check again |
| 19:13.12 | lan56 | ok thank you |
| 19:13.43 | RichardRauch | Hey, anyone want to take a look at what I think is a bug with rolling over bumps? |
| 19:14.03 | lan56 | what is the bug? |
| 19:14.22 | RichardRauch | I have a user with 2.0.2 (2005-04-12 or so, I think) who consistently cannot hop over bumps on my server. |
| 19:14.30 | JeffM2501 | RichardRauch, did you report it? |
| 19:14.34 | RichardRauch | I use bumps to implement stairs that people can walk up. |
| 19:15.04 | RichardRauch | I think you(?) said you wanted a specific version number. I have a live specimen right now, if you want to ask him to try things or ask me to twiddle server vars... |
| 19:15.14 | JeffM2501 | RichardRauch, also report it on SF |
| 19:15.18 | JeffM2501 | then it's a real bug report |
| 19:15.24 | JeffM2501 | not just a random complaint :) |
| 19:15.34 | KTL | (a live specimen hehehehee) |
| 19:15.44 | RichardRauch | I can do that. But do you or do you not want to examine this live case? I don't really know the code so I can't say more than "it doesn't work". (^& |
| 19:15.51 | lan56 | there is a $150 fine for false bug reports, keep in mind :) jk |
| 19:16.00 | RichardRauch | (^& |
| 19:16.21 | RichardRauch | It's on socrates.olib.org, "e's experiment". I asked him to hold and logged off, so I'm jumping back. (^& |
| 19:16.24 | JeffM2501 | RichardRauch, there isn't enough info to duplicate the problem |
| 19:16.59 | RichardRauch | Well, I can't tell you any more than that. |
| 19:17.09 | RichardRauch | I can't create information from thin air. |
| 19:17.10 | JeffM2501 | then there isn't much more that can be done |
| 19:17.16 | JeffM2501 | research |
| 19:17.19 | JeffM2501 | dupe the bug :) |
| 19:17.26 | _Manu_ | lan56, it seems cvs is broken.. |
| 19:17.36 | _Manu_ | yesterday compiled, not now |
| 19:17.58 | lan56 | ahh |
| 19:18.00 | JeffM2501 | new files were added |
| 19:18.10 | JeffM2501 | you'll need todo them in your devC++ |
| 19:18.11 | JeffM2501 | s |
| 19:18.13 | lan56 | scoreboard.cxx |
| 19:18.23 | lan56 | and I think one or two more, correct |
| 19:18.33 | Tupone | JeffM2501: would you mind adding message.cxx |
| 19:18.45 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I did |
| 19:18.53 | JeffM2501 | it's in the make |
| 19:18.56 | JeffM2501 | for common |
| 19:19.04 | Tupone | the source file I mean |
| 19:19.19 | JeffM2501 | son... of a... |
| 19:19.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:19.22 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 19:19.42 | JeffM2501 | there is a header too |
| 19:19.46 | _Manu_ | no message.cxx |
| 19:20.11 | _Manu_ | it fails compiling the client |
| 19:20.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah yeah |
| 19:20.28 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing it |
| 19:20.31 | JeffM2501 | I forgot to add it |
| 19:20.43 | lan56 | thank you |
| 19:21.15 | _Manu_ | where is my finger pointing.... ;) |
| 19:21.36 | KTL | mmm a got another bug too, a tank can keep jumping long after the jump button has been released, in the bug reports it says twice, i got it minimally 3 times |
| 19:21.44 | KTL | (3 unwanted jumps) |
| 19:21.57 | lan56 | KTL may be wings flag |
| 19:22.07 | KTL | there was no wings at all |
| 19:22.17 | Tupone | KTL: you jump with Tab ? or some gamebox ? |
| 19:22.21 | JeffM2501 | It'll take some time to add |
| 19:22.24 | JeffM2501 | I left it at home |
| 19:22.24 | _Manu_ | weird.. and is not lag? |
| 19:22.25 | KTL | and sometimes it does not jump at all when i hit the button, euhm tab tab |
| 19:22.35 | JeffM2501 | and it's going to take time to get it here |
| 19:22.37 | Tupone | OS ? |
| 19:22.38 | JeffM2501 | unless.... |
| 19:22.42 | KTL | debian |
| 19:22.44 | KTL | unstable |
| 19:23.00 | _Manu_ | KTL, it never happened to me... :/ |
| 19:23.11 | Tupone | I use joystick and never happens |
| 19:23.20 | _Manu_ | i use tab.. and nope |
| 19:23.24 | KTL | it did to me, but it has been some times that i upgraded |
| 19:23.28 | Tupone | but that is no auto-repeat |
| 19:23.33 | KTL | it is 2.02 or something i run |
| 19:23.57 | Tupone | can you try remobing autorepeat from key |
| 19:24.06 | Tupone | removing either |
| 19:24.46 | _Manu_ | KTL, is your keyboard old? |
| 19:25.07 | KTL | no, a standard us keyboard |
| 19:25.14 | Tupone | if you press a key, and you left down, the key was repeated ... you can disable that |
| 19:26.06 | KTL | mmm so that the event takes place only once |
| 19:26.22 | Tupone | yeah , no repeated down button events |
| 19:26.25 | _Manu_ | Tupone, but that's not a solution.. :( |
| 19:27.05 | _Manu_ | perhaps we must check the key released.. |
| 19:27.22 | Tupone | well, that depends on what you want. If that work, we could disable autorepeat from the game |
| 19:27.26 | trepan | check the key bindings |
| 19:28.29 | KTL | at that time |
| 19:29.02 | Tupone | fire behaviour has changed |
| 19:29.11 | Tupone | fire -> jump |
| 19:29.12 | _Manu_ | yes, i also can use autorepeat for shooting all the shots.. but never happened to me the jumping more than one times |
| 19:29.13 | trepan | you need 2 jump bindings, up & down |
| 19:29.51 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, found the files, building now to make sure they are the right ones |
| 19:29.58 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:31.19 | lan56 | ahh great |
| 19:32.13 | _Manu_ | is not the ping you think |
| 19:32.22 | KTL | a bz-ping |
| 19:32.57 | JeffM2501 | son-of-a..... I'm building release |
| 19:32.59 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 19:33.07 | KTL | (hihi) |
| 19:35.36 | RichardRauch | What does this message mean from the server? |
| 19:35.37 | RichardRauch | Player Who [1] (Green Team) might have tried to capture Red Team flag without reaching their own base. (Player position: 703.542725 -29.008448 0.000000) |
| 19:35.55 | RichardRauch | Did they capture, or did they not? ("Might have tried" sounds awfully unsure...) |
| 19:36.36 | trepan | it's the result of poorly crafted cheat detection, the capture was made |
| 19:36.42 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 19:36.52 | _Manu_ | actually disabled |
| 19:36.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/messages.h src/common/messages.cxx): add in forgoten files for message packing. |
| 19:37.02 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, there ya go |
| 19:37.08 | _Manu_ | let's check |
| 19:37.09 | Tupone | heh :) |
| 19:37.14 | JeffM2501 | it didn't really change anything, just moved code around |
| 19:37.23 | RichardRauch | Thanks. |
| 19:43.28 | _Manu_ | KTL, are you sure is not your box? |
| 19:44.37 | KTL | my pc ? doesn't seem having anything to do with it |
| 19:45.01 | KTL | i got that problem longer then this version iirc |
| 19:45.02 | _Manu_ | well you are telling no pings... and so on... is like net problems |
| 19:45.24 | KTL | ah euh, that's just once in a while, nothing to do with the tiny-wall thing |
| 19:45.25 | _Manu_ | but in 2.0 and higher.. no? |
| 19:45.37 | KTL | I do have a bad connection |
| 19:46.06 | KTL | euh, just forget my pings, the thing with the tiny is something else and seems to be a real bug |
| 19:47.59 | _Manu_ | you kill yourself using tiny moving bw/fw while shoots? |
| 19:48.31 | KTL | i shoot while my back is against the outher wall with tiny and blow myself up |
| 19:50.11 | KTL | yes i just did it again |
| 19:52.14 | _Manu_ | tested, yes it's a bug.. :( i don't kill myself.. but bullets endshots.. |
| 19:52.52 | KTL | now you are able to submit a fresh bug report :-) |
| 19:53.07 | KTL | ah, and try standing on a teleporter and jumping away from it |
| 19:53.31 | _Manu_ | is like the bullets outing behind the tank |
| 19:53.39 | _Manu_ | probably an error in calcules |
| 19:54.54 | _Manu_ | and you kill yourself if rico is enabled.. |
| 19:55.12 | KTL | i tested the jumping away from the top of a porter too again, some where else, bug was there again |
| 19:55.41 | KTL | just put a bug report there since i have no login :-) |
| 19:56.41 | _Manu_ | can you describe it? |
| 19:57.33 | KTL | euh |
| 19:57.48 | _Manu_ | you mean stay over a teleporter and jump? |
| 19:58.02 | KTL | you stay at the same spot in the horizontal plane |
| 19:58.26 | KTL | you do jump, you do go up and down, but not forwards |
| 19:58.40 | _Manu_ | ah.. |
| 19:59.16 | KTL | it was possible in the past, and there is a nice trick with it in hashmark, so that's a reason to repair :-) |
| 19:59.49 | _Manu_ | well... probably some things now working as you expected ;) |
| 20:03.24 | Tupone | JeffM2501: what is the star? I like a tank more |
| 20:03.41 | _Manu_ | a ninja star.. heh |
| 20:03.52 | _Manu_ | he ran out :) |
| 20:06.07 | ruskie | lol ppl started calling me a cheater :) |
| 20:06.25 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5154 |
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| 20:34.38 | spldart | Yay! Ibot is here! |
| 20:34.57 | spldart | I'm just abit goofy today CBG.. and an inside joke for me. |
| 20:35.12 | CBG | okies :) |
| 20:35.18 | spldart | Methinks it was probably quiet just before I showed up 2 minutes before you ;) |
| 20:35.54 | CBG | lol. i get that sameidea often, myself. :D |
| 20:36.04 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:37.34 | spldart | I was mentione I had a problem with a tanker on my server in the middle of the night and I baned him for a bit |
| 20:37.48 | spldart | goes by new and improved... |
| 20:38.40 | spldart | He tried to log back in 9 times thereafter |
| 20:39.02 | spldart | and I was watching my logfile and laughing maniacally |
| 20:39.15 | spldart | I prolly should unban him now |
| 20:39.16 | jolie | ... |
| 20:39.20 | spldart | How to I unban? |
| 20:39.39 | KTL | sadism :-) |
| 20:40.08 | spldart | SaDo Mas.. wait |
| 20:40.12 | spldart | nevermind |
| 20:40.14 | spldart | :) |
| 20:40.19 | KTL | no i checked dict, woeps wrong lol |
| 20:41.12 | spldart | found it /unban ip |
| 20:41.17 | KTL | sadism is about sexual pleasure, while sadist is just about pleasure not specifically mmm must remember |
| 20:41.26 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:41.34 | KTL | sadist |
| 20:41.35 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.37 | spldart | Yeah.. I get my rocks off on BZflag :eek: |
| 20:41.42 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:41.50 | KTL | sadism |
| 20:41.51 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.51 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.48 | spldart | Their... I unbannded the obnoxious dude :) |
| 20:43.15 | KTL | as long as he is not called xtra or punisher :-) |
| 20:43.28 | spldart | I got a long ban list now :( |
| 20:43.36 | spldart | but this guy goes by new and improved someting |
| 20:43.40 | spldart | or other |
| 20:43.46 | spldart | He was so obnoxious :( |
| 20:43.58 | spldart | other tankers were like getting so annoyed they left |
| 20:44.09 | spldart | and kick wasn't good enough.. |
| 20:44.50 | spldart | Although now that I unbanned him he will probably spam me with obsenities like so many others. |
| 20:44.53 | spldart | :( |
| 20:45.22 | CBG | I ahve seen him about. |
| 20:45.43 | CBG | but not causing trouble... |
| 20:45.47 | spldart | I got my word filter set aggressive |
| 20:46.16 | KTL | lol, he uses difficult terms then hehe |
| 20:46.28 | spldart | some of these peeps do |
| 20:46.42 | spldart | I don't have the multilinqual list on though... but I have started adding some |
| 20:46.59 | spldart | I have had french and spanish cussing used on my server.. |
| 20:47.05 | spldart | They got banned though ;) |
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| 20:47.50 | KTL | i allways have that bunny guy after me, starts cursing at me in dutch, not at other people as far as i know |
| 20:48.07 | KTL | i recognize him by the curses, because he changes his nick sometimes |
| 20:48.21 | jolie | bunny... |
| 20:48.36 | jolie | but not that bunny |
| 20:48.41 | KTL | one of his first nicks was with that, iirc he was on the forum here once |
| 20:48.52 | jolie | heh me |
| 20:49.00 | bunny | i own the nick bunny |
| 20:49.02 | bunny | :P |
| 20:49.04 | bunny | but its not me |
| 20:49.10 | KTL | not you :-) |
| 20:49.40 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:49.48 | KTL | :-) |
| 20:49.52 | jolie | i dont curse.... |
| 20:49.54 | jolie | well not true |
| 20:49.55 | spldart | I just had a wabbit guy on my server |
| 20:50.51 | spldart | Ah.. there he is.. Pesky_wabbit.. but he was good :) |
| 20:53.18 | KTL | bye |
| 20:53.27 | KTL | and thanks for the bug-solving |
| 20:55.08 | spldart | Oops... missed the nighty night.... One of the kids was demanding my attention. |
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| 21:43.48 | JeffM2501 | dangit, I commited a png I didn't want to commit |
| 21:45.40 | Pimpi | shit happens |
| 21:45.52 | wegstar | :) |
| 21:47.01 | Pimpi | there are active teams in bzleague i don't even know ... |
| 21:53.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/configure.ac: AC_STDC_HEADERS was obsoleted long time ago. I wonder if we need it |
| 21:54.48 | Tupone | who as changed my color from blue to yellow :( |
| 21:54.54 | Tupone | s/as/has/ |
| 21:59.05 | Tupone | and see MAsquerade as black :( |
| 22:00.07 | Tupone | someone should have committed code without testing. I thought was my prerogative |
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| 22:53.09 | Lagomorph | 'course not :) |
| 22:59.31 | JeffM2501 | actualy what I need is a server with nearly a dead empty map |
| 22:59.35 | JeffM2501 | that is small |
| 22:59.39 | JeffM2501 | so I can see people spawn |
| 23:01.19 | DTRemenak | you have admin, set _worldsize on one of my empty maps :) |
| 23:02.04 | JeffM2501 | holly hell that is a sweet effect :) |
| 23:02.10 | JeffM2501 | what map is empty? |
| 23:03.00 | purple_cow | sweet effect? |
| 23:03.15 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 23:04.20 | JeffM2501 | let me just hook up a "don't do it" bzdb thingy and I'll commit it |
| 23:06.44 | Tupone | JeffM2501: have you read my complain before ? You don't fell guilty a little ? |
| 23:06.51 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 23:06.54 | Tupone | feel even |
| 23:06.55 | JeffM2501 | complaint? |
| 23:07.00 | Tupone | who as changed my color from blue to yellow :( |
| 23:07.04 | JeffM2501 | what color? |
| 23:07.04 | Tupone | and see MAsquerade as black :( |
| 23:07.19 | JeffM2501 | I didn't know what you are talking about |
| 23:07.19 | Tupone | I join as blue, and se me as yellow |
| 23:07.25 | Tupone | pack ? |
| 23:07.29 | Tupone | perhaps |
| 23:07.31 | JeffM2501 | pack is busted? |
| 23:07.38 | Tupone | dunno, have to check |
| 23:07.45 | JeffM2501 | I noticed observers is broken too |
| 23:07.49 | JeffM2501 | all I did was move code |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | hope I didn't break it |
| 23:07.53 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 23:07.58 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: dtremenak.bakdigital.com:7000 is probably empty. probably dtremenak.bakadigital.com:5154 also. |
| 23:08.09 | Tupone | dunno, going to see when cvs was broken |
| 23:08.10 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, problem is it can't be empty :) |
| 23:08.20 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, let me commit this and I'll help you look |
| 23:08.35 | DTRemenak | oh, by empty map you mean map with nothing on it |
| 23:08.40 | DTRemenak | not map with no players on it ;) |
| 23:08.41 | JeffM2501 | it would not hurt me greatly if you wanted to revert that change. |
| 23:08.51 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah I need to SEE players spawn |
| 23:09.02 | DTRemenak | aha |
| 23:09.04 | Tupone | trying to realize what change broke it |
| 23:09.28 | JeffM2501 | I call the same pack/unpack |
| 23:09.33 | JeffM2501 | unless I screwed up an order |
| 23:10.25 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka1 (~Doug@adsl-210-150-44.sdf.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:11.37 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry I didn't respnd before Tupone I din't know it was directed at me :( I thought you meant like the color of your name int he commit in IRC or something. |
| 23:12.06 | Tupone | hehe, no problem, I was playing during that time :) |
| 23:12.38 | Tupone | next time I will be more specific :) |
| 23:12.48 | JeffM2501 | one make file to edit then I'll be ready to commit |
| 23:15.31 | *** join/#bzflag blast007` (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 23:17.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 23:17.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add effects rendering |
| 23:17.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add visual effect to spawn to go along with the "pop" |
| 23:17.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: available in high or exp by default., disable with set _no_spawnEffects 1 in config |
| 23:18.01 | Tupone | most probably your changes. I noted 2 things: color is busted, and cannot see the name of the other player. Going to sleep. NIte |
| 23:18.08 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-139-232.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:18.09 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:18.13 | JeffM2501 | I'll revert then |
| 23:18.16 | JeffM2501 | till more testing is done |
| 23:18.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/menu_arrow.png: |
| 23:18.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: revert to old graphic |
| 23:18.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the world isn't ready for the new menu arrow yet..... |
| 23:23.05 | purple_cow | new menu arrow? |
| 23:24.04 | JeffM2501 | no no no, the world isn't READY for the new menu arrow |
| 23:24.42 | JeffM2501 | NINJA! |
| 23:25.05 | JeffM2501 | I commited it accedentlay from 2.9 |
| 23:25.12 | purple_cow | 2.9? |
| 23:25.20 | purple_cow | what is this 2.9 thing you keep speaking of? |
| 23:25.27 | JeffM2501 | the world isn't READY |
| 23:25.36 | JeffM2501 | it's just the version number I use for screwing around |
| 23:25.40 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't confict |
| 23:25.42 | purple_cow | ahh |
| 23:25.45 | JeffM2501 | I just never check it in |
| 23:25.50 | JeffM2501 | it has a much cooler logo |
| 23:25.51 | purple_cow | except for sometimes :) |
| 23:25.57 | JeffM2501 | except for when I screw up |
| 23:26.03 | JeffM2501 | like this time |
| 23:27.32 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@orchid.user) |
| 23:27.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx bzfs/bzfs.cxx): |
| 23:27.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: don't use new message packing classes because they just don't freaking work! |
| 23:27.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: save it for a breaking one when it dosn't mater if you screw up the order :) |
| 23:29.16 | JeffM2501 | there that fixes it again |
| 23:33.43 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-21-8.paradise.net.nz) |
| 23:33.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: |
| 23:33.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: increase inital radius of spawn flash |
| 23:33.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: decrease lifetime by 1/2 |
| 23:33.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: quad speed |
| 23:33.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: for great justice |
| 23:35.47 | JeffM2501 | there purple_cow, you should like that :) |
| 23:40.00 | Dameon | Back.... |
| 23:40.13 | Dameon | Hello agan Jeff. I once visited as LordSarpedon |
| 23:40.23 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 23:43.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: make spawn effect use team color |
| 23:47.00 | Dameon | I wonder how autopilot could be improved |
| 23:47.49 | JeffM2501 | with work |
| 23:48.10 | Dameon | RIght |
| 23:48.20 | Dameon | I mean in a tangible sense |
| 23:49.38 | JeffM2501 | pathfinding and target leading |
| 23:49.44 | JeffM2501 | probably also way points in the map |
| 23:49.52 | JeffM2501 | or a prescan of the map for known pasable areas |
| 23:50.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/effectsRenderer.cxx: color, speed, size tweaks. |
