| 00:05.15 | menotume | learner, do you know where brlcad is ? |
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| 05:03.26 | jolie | yays! morning |
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| 05:17.15 | jolie | BANYULS |
| 05:17.18 | jolie | psss go banyuls |
| 05:18.13 | purple_cow | heh |
| 05:20.25 | jolie | get bacardi lemon! |
| 05:20.34 | jolie | :)~ |
| 05:34.55 | jolie | :S |
| 05:34.57 | jolie | dude... |
| 05:35.01 | jolie | oh well... |
| 05:37.22 | purple_cow | i had nowhere near enough time to do a full search of the store ;) |
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| 05:54.03 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 05:54.07 | jolie | and :( |
| 06:02.51 | jolie | well |
| 06:03.06 | jolie | bordeaux might be a bit off track :P |
| 06:03.43 | purple_cow | hmm? |
| 06:04.01 | jolie | well i doubtull find banyuls... |
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| 06:04.13 | purple_cow | i wouldn't be surprised |
| 06:04.21 | purple_cow | i think you're underestimating this liquor store :) |
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| 06:04.31 | jolie | haha |
| 06:04.47 | jolie | nah i over stimated banyuls |
| 06:04.54 | jolie | manu manu bonito |
| 06:08.32 | _Manu_ | jolie jolie guapa :) |
| 06:09.47 | jolie | urr i didnt smg wrong. |
| 06:09.50 | jolie | i did |
| 06:26.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyWorldBox.cpp PyWorldBox.h SConstruct): add the very beginnings of a World.Box class. I imagine this should be used for both reading and writing the world, at least once jeff gets the reading stuff done |
| 06:32.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyPlayer.cpp PyWorldBox.cpp): implement getattr |
| 06:46.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/PyWorldBox.cpp: implement repr |
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| 08:31.11 | LePoulpe | hi there |
| 08:31.50 | LePoulpe | i saw that an xml feed is generated on fortix web site for server list ; anyone knows if there's such a stream somewheere for player stats of mybzflag ? |
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| 08:34.19 | jolie | hey newbie_dont i was looking for you yesterday .. for some java issue |
| 08:49.41 | Pimpinella | ask _Manu_ , he's using Java too |
| 08:50.01 | jolie | O_o |
| 08:50.12 | jolie | i hate java... |
| 08:50.16 | jolie | but i need it.. |
| 08:52.13 | jolie | hmmm... |
| 08:52.30 | jolie | ok lemme find a way to make my question not sound SO stupid... |
| 09:07.54 | [dmp] | take your time, but im leaving in an hour :) |
| 09:08.16 | bunny | yeah bu ull be back. |
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| 09:10.01 | sniperiid | hi :) |
| 09:21.22 | sniperiid | timr , u there? |
| 09:23.24 | sniperiid | TimRiker, you there? |
| 09:25.49 | sniperiid | who can delete my account from BZFlag Forums ? :O |
| 09:28.59 | [dmp] | sniperiid: you could use the forusm to pm one of the admins |
| 09:29.09 | sniperiid | lol |
| 09:29.13 | sniperiid | i selected under 13 |
| 09:29.16 | sniperiid | and i cant validate |
| 09:29.45 | sniperiid | because i dont want to do to reply email back |
| 09:30.57 | [dmp] | if you dont validate the account, it isnt active. Then just forget about it - it wont be used for anything |
| 09:31.26 | sniperiid | dmp: well, wait i try register |
| 09:32.12 | [dmp] | why do you want to register if you want to delete your account? |
| 09:32.39 | sniperiid | i wana delete my account! |
| 09:32.49 | sniperiid | to register with i am over or exactly 13 yr of old |
| 09:32.57 | sniperiid | thats not true, but i wanna join forums :) |
| 09:33.11 | sniperiid | " Sorry, but that e-mail address is already registered to a user. |
| 09:33.12 | sniperiid | Sorry, but this username has already been taken. " |
| 09:34.09 | sniperiid | [dmp] are you admin in there? |
| 09:34.17 | [dmp] | no |
| 09:34.20 | sniperiid | can u delete users? |
| 09:34.35 | sniperiid | i cant contact timRiker |
| 09:35.01 | sniperiid | i talked with him yesterday but now i send him a PM ( IRC ) and no repl |
| 09:35.03 | sniperiid | reply ( |
| 09:35.13 | sniperiid | aw.. reply * |
| 09:35.15 | Pimpinella | sniperiid: don't bother TimRiker with it |
| 09:35.30 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501 might help you |
| 09:35.41 | sniperiid | JeffM isnt online |
| 09:35.47 | bunny | gosh |
| 09:35.51 | Pimpinella | so wait until he is |
| 09:35.56 | sniperiid | :P |
| 09:37.59 | sniperiid | all Operators from here r admins on forum ? |
| 09:39.07 | [dmp] | no |
| 09:39.22 | sniperiid | who u think r admins? |
| 09:39.29 | sniperiid | or who r admins on forum? |
| 09:39.38 | [dmp] | Why cant you wait? |
| 09:40.02 | sniperiid | lol |
| 09:40.02 | sniperiid | :P |
| 09:40.09 | sniperiid | wait im addin him on icq ;) |
| 09:40.51 | sniperiid | ah he is off-line |
| 09:40.54 | sniperiid | on icq |
| 09:42.02 | Pimpinella | sniperiid: _wait_ until he's online |
| 09:42.15 | sniperiid | k |
| 09:42.19 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 09:42.24 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 09:45.56 | Pimpinella | Jeff might sign on at around 17:00 your time |
| 09:46.28 | sniperiid | GMT +2 ? |
| 09:46.34 | Pimpinella | yep |
| 09:46.40 | sniperiid | k |
| 09:46.43 | sniperiid | :) |
| 09:46.47 | sniperiid | thanks |
| 09:47.09 | sniperiid | i must go at 18:00 ;) |
| 09:47.25 | sniperiid | but a hour i can stay on line ;) |
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| 11:22.04 | sniperiid | how to set a player to be admin if nobody is admin yet ? |
| 11:22.05 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 11:22.27 | sniperiid | Password Database |
| 11:22.28 | sniperiid | User Privilege Database |
| 11:22.28 | sniperiid | Group Privilege Database |
| 11:22.30 | sniperiid | with that |
| 11:29.14 | sniperiid | how can i |
| 11:29.15 | sniperiid | tell me |
| 11:29.17 | sniperiid | pls |
| 11:31.38 | sniperiid | who can tell me ? |
| 11:32.01 | jpa_ | the Manual |
| 11:32.08 | sniperiid | what manual? |
| 11:32.11 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 11:32.55 | ToughShooter | Maybe RTFB or RTFS could also lead to success |
| 11:33.10 | sniperiid | ToughShooter, im really stuck |
| 11:33.22 | sniperiid | i donno where to find the manual |
| 11:33.23 | sniperiid | can you tell ,e? |
| 11:33.31 | sniperiid | me * |
| 11:36.15 | brlcad | sniperiid: try 'man bzfs' |
| 11:36.26 | sniperiid | im on windows!~ |
| 11:36.41 | brlcad | then there should be an html file |
| 11:36.57 | brlcad | it's also available on-line |
| 11:37.13 | ToughShooter | just STFW ;) |
| 11:37.32 | brlcad | ~google man bzfs |
| 11:37.54 | brlcad | ibot: wake up |
| 11:37.59 | ibot | up: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 11:42.22 | sniperiid | ToughShooter , i got with |
| 11:42.32 | sniperiid | but i want to specifiy |
| 11:42.34 | sniperiid | something |
| 11:42.39 | sniperiid | for example: |
| 11:42.54 | sniperiid | for group "administrators" give administrator permissions |
| 11:43.32 | sniperiid | i got with : /password thesecretword |
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| 12:02.23 | sniperiid | I've got a server :) |
| 12:02.31 | sniperiid | connect to 82.137.26.35:5154 |
| 12:02.39 | sniperiid | im connected trough bzadmin ;) |
| 12:06.04 | sniperiid | hm |
| 12:06.11 | sniperiid | the server isnt seeing in list |
| 12:06.23 | sniperiid | wat i must do for it to be displayed |
| 12:06.24 | sniperiid | ? |
| 12:07.30 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth |
| 12:07.32 | Pimpinella | do you have -public? |
| 12:07.38 | sniperiid | Pimpi, no |
| 12:07.44 | sniperiid | -public what? |
| 12:07.50 | ToughShooter | lol |
| 12:07.55 | sniperiid | or -public -publicaddr ... |
| 12:07.56 | sniperiid | ? |
| 12:08.06 | Pimpinella | both would be cool |
| 12:08.11 | sniperiid | k :) |
| 12:08.38 | Pimpinella | -public "your server description" -publicaddr 82.137.26.35:5154 |
| 12:08.46 | sniperiid | ok thanks |
| 12:08.51 | sniperiid | pimpi |
| 12:08.56 | sniperiid | pls connect to it |
| 12:08.56 | sniperiid | is map by me |
| 12:08.57 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 12:09.16 | Pimpinella | make sure you're not firewalled or behind some kind of proxy or similar |
| 12:09.24 | sniperiid | nope im not |
| 12:09.33 | sniperiid | its on my bros computer |
| 12:09.35 | Pimpinella | sry, no time atm |
| 12:09.40 | sniperiid | ah ok |
| 12:09.40 | Pimpinella | bbl |
| 12:14.01 | Aribeth | hi ToughShooter |
| 12:19.48 | sniperiid | hi aribeth |
| 12:20.04 | sniperiid | aribeth, pls connect to my server(82.137.26.35:5154) |
| 12:20.06 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 12:20.28 | Aribeth | no time. i have many things to do |
| 12:20.37 | sniperiid | k ;) |
| 12:21.06 | sniperiid | but i want u see my map |
| 12:21.07 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 12:25.10 | Birdie | sniperiid: accept when people say no |
| 12:25.21 | sniperiid | ok ;) |
| 12:30.03 | sniperiid | who can test my server to see if it is laggy o not >? |
| 12:33.03 | brlcad | sniperiid: I presume you've not changed your network connection? |
| 12:33.12 | brlcad | it's not going to magically get better |
| 12:33.36 | brlcad | so yeah, it's laggy .. very very laggy |
| 12:46.03 | jpa_ | uh, seems to get maxed out even with 1 player :o |
| 12:46.20 | jpa_ | i got 11% loss being the onlyone there |
| 12:46.57 | sniperiid | brlcad: yep i have a really bad connection |
| 12:47.15 | jpa_ | get better, or a shell account somewhere |
| 12:47.37 | sniperiid | jpa_, r u online on my server? |
| 12:48.01 | jpa_ | good shells with 100M connection don't cost much, 60EUR/year or less |
| 12:48.04 | brlcad | sniperiid: so then please stop wasting people's time asking them to connect to your laggy server.. |
| 12:48.07 | jpa_ | sniperiid: was, lllllllaaaaggy |
| 12:48.21 | jpa_ | and the map didn't seem good either :P |
| 12:48.27 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 12:48.28 | sniperiid | i know |
| 12:48.31 | sniperiid | its for beginners :) |
| 12:48.51 | jpa_ | atleast they get a lot training of compensating for lag |
| 12:49.02 | sniperiid | :O |
| 12:49.02 | brlcad | it's not for anyone on that kind of connection, it's unusable |
| 12:49.08 | sniperiid | lol ;P |
| 12:49.20 | sniperiid | its a big distance between u and server |
| 12:49.30 | brlcad | that's not meant to be funny, it's simply not usable |
| 12:50.02 | jpa_ | argh.. he is so stupid and i still cannot just type /ignore.. |
| 12:50.27 | brlcad | you agree yet you ask people to connect to your server still? |
| 12:50.35 | sniperiid | no |
| 12:50.51 | sniperiid | i will not ask ppl |
| 12:50.57 | Birdie | Good |
| 12:50.58 | brlcad | thank you |
| 12:51.16 | sniperiid | :) |
| 12:51.17 | sniperiid | np |
| 12:55.24 | sniperiid | jpa_, what is taht tutorial ? |
| 12:55.40 | sniperiid | where is that tuturial for physics.etc... help ? |
| 12:55.51 | sniperiid | that is new in 2.0 |
| 12:56.00 | jpa_ | ok, enough |
| 12:56.27 | sniperiid | where is the link? |
| 12:56.50 | sniperiid | ~say <sniperiid> where is the link ? |
| 12:56.51 | ibot | <sniperiid> where is the link |
| 12:57.22 | jpa_ | oh yeah, i forgot |
| 12:57.32 | jpa_ | have to add the same option as for cristi |
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| 12:57.41 | sniperiid | lol ;) |
| 12:57.57 | sniperiid | where is a tutorial for using whats new in 2.0 ? |
| 12:58.24 | Grumbler | have you looked at the links in the topic line lately |
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| 12:58.49 | Birdie | wow grumbler, its still morning and your first sentence is straight to the point |
| 12:58.55 | sniperiid | no wait im looking |
| 12:59.27 | sniperiid | Grumbler, da mapmaking? |
| 13:01.06 | sniperiid | lol |
| 13:01.23 | trepan | anybody have a gag handy? |
| 13:01.34 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 13:02.00 | jpa_ | what kind of a gag? :) |
| 13:02.11 | Aribeth | a big one |
| 13:02.22 | sniperiid | jpa ignored me ? |
| 13:02.29 | jpa_ | i think internet is full of them :) |
| 13:02.39 | sniperiid | ;) |
| 13:02.42 | sniperiid | jpa ignored me / |
| 13:03.21 | Aribeth | yeeeep, i'd say so |
| 13:03.48 | sniperiid | aribeth , ok |
| 13:04.18 | Aribeth | !whaleslap sniperid |
| 13:04.19 | guu | Aribeth: Tah mah de |
| 13:04.35 | Aribeth | ~whaleslap sniperid |
| 13:04.36 | ibot | ACTION slaps sniperid upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 13:06.16 | Aribeth | YAY! |
| 13:06.37 | Aribeth | im in that kind of mood today |
| 13:20.32 | Grumbler | pull! |
| 13:20.41 | ruskie | lo all |
| 13:21.00 | Aribeth | next |
| 13:35.58 | menotume | anyone know how the locale.po files work? |
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| 13:36.21 | menotume | I'm trying to test a new msgid, but it doesn't seem to find it |
| 13:36.47 | jpa_ | i know how to make them but not how to use in the software :P |
| 13:36.49 | menotume | I added a new one to en_us_redneck (funny stuff), but it's getting the default |
| 13:37.02 | menotume | is it cached somewhere ? |
| 13:38.42 | jpa_ | uh, you compile .po files into .mo files |
| 13:38.59 | jpa_ | and the .mo files tend to live in /usr/share/locale |
| 13:40.16 | menotume | ahh, i found it, -directory pointing to the wrong place - duh |
| 13:40.21 | menotume | .mo files ? |
| 13:40.29 | Grumbler | .po -> .mo -> .fo ? |
| 13:40.38 | ndim | menotume: You need a complete locale for en_us_redneck, I think. |
| 13:40.38 | menotume | lol Grumbler |
| 13:41.03 | menotume | thx, i just added one to the existing one - but in the wrong dir |
| 13:42.12 | menotume | much betterer now :) |
| 13:43.27 | jpa_ | ~spell betterer |
| 13:43.42 | jpa_ | ~slap menotume |
| 13:43.43 | ibot | ACTION slaps menotume, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 13:44.07 | menotume | sore, i meant 'more better' |
| 13:44.28 | jpa_ | no no no |
| 13:44.34 | jpa_ | you don't say more better either |
| 13:44.38 | jpa_ | it is just 'better' |
| 13:44.44 | menotume | yes, i do |
| 13:44.47 | jpa_ | good, better, best |
| 13:44.52 | menotume | sometimes it's 'more betterer' |
| 13:44.59 | menotume | or, 'less worser' |
| 13:45.01 | jpa_ | u suck |
| 13:45.05 | menotume | :D |
| 13:46.24 | ndim | menotume: OK, enough testing of the en_us_redneck translations in this channel. |
| 13:48.59 | jolie | so who knows java? |
| 13:49.15 | jpa_ | use jython, it is nicer :) |
| 13:49.26 | jolie | you shhh ;) |
| 13:49.37 | jolie | [dmp]: you i need you |
| 13:50.31 | [dmp] | jolie: yes? |
| 13:51.43 | Grumbler | sad that the fins have to teach the rednecks how to use english |
| 14:00.16 | menotume | brlcad: it's ready :) |
| 14:01.00 | menotume | learner: if you see brlcad, please tell him ScoreboardRenderer is ready, thx :P |
| 14:01.00 | jpa_ | Grumbler: bah :P |
| 14:01.07 | jpa_ | wasn't familiar with the concept |
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| 14:01.52 | Grumbler | jpa_, rednecks or english? |
| 14:01.59 | jpa_ | rednecks |
| 14:06.19 | Grumbler | ah, understandable :) |
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| 14:06.38 | sniperiid | hi |
| 14:06.59 | sniperiid | when JeffM comes online, dont tell him to delete my account, timRiker alrdy do this for me :) |
| 14:07.12 | *** part/#bzflag sniperiid (~sniper_@82.137.26.35) |
| 14:07.53 | menotume | ok, we won't tell him :P |
| 14:08.21 | jolie | thihis weeet |
| 14:08.41 | menotume | You might be a redneck if .... you carry a fishin' pole into Sea World. |
| 14:19.30 | Aribeth | lol |
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| 14:33.46 | Grumbler | hmm, maybe |
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| 14:59.58 | LePoulpe | is there any mean to trace bzflag program to see if something is wrong during load ? |
| 15:00.42 | Grumbler | client or server |
| 15:01.14 | LePoulpe | client |
| 15:01.21 | LePoulpe | it appears then qui |
| 15:01.24 | LePoulpe | quit |
| 15:01.28 | LePoulpe | no message |
| 15:02.13 | Thumper_ | LePoulpe: what platform? |
| 15:02.26 | LePoulpe | win32 |
| 15:03.01 | Thumper_ | well I was going to suggest strace... but that's for *nix |
| 15:03.09 | LePoulpe | :) |
| 15:03.31 | LePoulpe | wise suggestion |
| 15:03.52 | menotume | LePoulpe: is this a new installation ? |
| 15:04.03 | LePoulpe | strange ; the command line works; but when i execute this command line from a program, bzflag just appears and disappear |
| 15:04.29 | menotume | ? |
| 15:04.43 | Grumbler | could be a display issue |
| 15:04.44 | LePoulpe | menotune : bzflag is working perfectly with the shortcut on my desktop |
| 15:04.50 | menotume | ahh, ok |
| 15:04.59 | LePoulpe | i try to launch it through a shell |
| 15:05.03 | Grumbler | whats the command line you are running |
| 15:05.03 | menotume | what program is launching it ? |
| 15:05.11 | LePoulpe | sorry i'm not very clear |
| 15:05.12 | menotume | ahhhh |
| 15:05.16 | menotume | dlls ? |
| 15:05.22 | LePoulpe | nope |
| 15:05.37 | LePoulpe | .NET Framework System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(filepath, cmdline) |
| 15:05.39 | menotume | from the shell ... what directory are you in when you run it ? |
| 15:05.44 | menotume | ohh |
| 15:06.18 | LePoulpe | when i take path and cmdline paste in command prompt it works ok |
| 15:06.24 | LePoulpe | parhaps a path problem |
| 15:06.30 | LePoulpe | you're right |
| 15:06.38 | menotume | there are dlls in the path |
| 15:07.49 | LePoulpe | must have alook to the Process object that crap returns |
| 15:08.55 | LePoulpe | ;) |
| 15:08.59 | LePoulpe | don't be sorry |
| 15:09.09 | menotume | i'm not, really :) |
| 15:09.18 | menotume | just sorry i can't help |
| 15:09.26 | LePoulpe | you helped a lot |
| 15:09.34 | menotume | ok, good luck |
| 15:09.39 | LePoulpe | must leave a while |
| 15:09.40 | LePoulpe | bb |
| 15:30.53 | Birdie | http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?showtopic=11143 |
| 15:30.55 | Birdie | this is pathetic |
| 15:32.27 | LePoulpe | menotume : that works perfectly now !!!!!!!! thanks |
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| 15:41.34 | wizart | ouch |
| 15:42.05 | wizart | ban for live |
| 15:45.28 | Birdie | and the pic is draxxus girlfriend..au he will be so mad |
| 15:46.28 | CBG | Who? |
| 15:46.35 | wizart | thank good you can moderate a forum ^^ |
| 15:46.52 | Birdie | i cant:( cant even delete it |
| 15:47.43 | Pimpinella | i'd be happy if gu-admins would provide me too with that ip |
| 15:48.02 | Birdie | sure |
| 15:48.18 | Pimpinella | who'd draxxus? |
| 15:48.27 | Birdie | in some way, i hope its a range of yugi's ip |
| 15:48.27 | CBG | draxxus is a strict gu admin. |
| 15:48.29 | Pimpinella | read up |
| 15:48.35 | Pimpinella | whooooo |
| 15:48.47 | CBG | Pimpi: I joined when wizrt said "ouch"... :( |
| 15:48.58 | Birdie | gu forum cbg |
| 15:49.19 | CBG | Birdie: Ok - once I finish reading everything at the bzbb. :) |
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| 15:50.45 | CBG | Woah. That person is in for one Hell of a fright! |
| 15:52.46 | CBG | btw, imho, fwiw, I think draxxus has a right to see that post... |
| 15:53.53 | Birdie | draxxus is reading it |
| 15:53.57 | Birdie | so will be to late anyway |
| 15:54.17 | Birdie | he wont act nice now |
| 15:54.28 | CBG | Would you blame him? |
| 15:54.50 | Birdie | how mad you may be, there is always a limit you never should pass |
| 15:55.32 | CBG | But there is a limit on what you say about people too |
| 15:55.49 | CBG | and the poster has passed THAT limit... so... |
| 15:56.36 | Birdie | the guy is an ass, drax has to show he is smarter than that, and dont pass the line |
| 15:57.17 | CBG | I'm pretty sure if I was in draxxus shoes, i would forget trying to look smart... :( |
| 15:59.16 | Birdie | i would be mad, but a wrong way is exploding on a forum, the guy is not worth it |
| 15:59.45 | blast007 | the person is obviously trying to get a reaction |
| 15:59.55 | Birdie | yep, otherwise he wouldnt post that |
| 15:59.58 | CBG | But you think draxxus will see that? |
| 16:00.04 | blast007 | would be best to not even dignify the person with a response |
| 16:00.16 | CBG | I would be so mad I wouldn't think like you are...I would want to wring his neck! |
| 16:01.09 | Birdie | and your response would help in any way? |
| 16:01.51 | CBG | No - but I wouldnt want to help... I would want to kill him. |
| 16:02.42 | Birdie | your post would be useless |
| 16:02.54 | Birdie | it only makes the person who post this happy, he want reactions like that |
| 16:04.23 | blast007 | I would just delete the thread, delete the user, and ban 'em :) |
| 16:05.19 | Birdie | right, same here |
| 16:08.02 | CBG | I think he is just ignoring it. |
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| 16:10.30 | cods | Hi. |
| 16:11.56 | cods | Since several months I can't play bzflag anymore (well, that's not bad after all) because game get stuck from time to time for some seconds. It's the only GL application with such behavior. I tried various *recent* Linux kernel (>= ~2.6.10), recent NVidia GL drivers,.. |
| 16:12.10 | LePoulpe | anyone would find useful a msn messenger plugin that indicates if a contact plays bzflag actually, and propose things like join the server, etc ... ? |
| 16:12.13 | cods | I've no idea about what the problem is. |
| 16:12.16 | *** join/#bzflag bz6664 (~41082cb4@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 16:12.49 | cods | I'm wondering if I'm the only one with such problems.. |
| 16:13.04 | CBG | lepoulpe: it would be cool if you could send an MSN IM whilst playing bzflag, too... :D |
| 16:13.18 | bz6664 | dsfsdf |
| 16:13.23 | bz6664 | opps |
| 16:13.25 | LePoulpe | CBG : that less my part ;) |
| 16:13.37 | Chestal | cods: it really gets stuck for several seconds, not <=1s? |
| 16:13.38 | LePoulpe | CBG : but great idea too |
| 16:13.40 | bz6664 | what is this?!? |
| 16:13.42 | CBG | hehe |
| 16:13.52 | bz6664 | im confuzed |
| 16:13.55 | bz6664 | where a mi? |
| 16:14.02 | Chestal | cods: mine gets stuck for short amounts of time if I run certain applicatons in the background (which don't really do much) |
| 16:14.02 | cods | Chestal: at least, never below 1s |
| 16:14.12 | Chestal | cods: but I get the same with other GL apps like torcs |
| 16:14.13 | bz6664 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.31 | CBG | bz6664: what? |
| 16:14.40 | bz6664 | what is this place? |
| 16:14.45 | cods | I'm running GKrellm all the time, so I know that it's not related to some other apps. Plus, bzflag is the only game with such behavior. I can run Quake3, Doom3, ET,.. without any problems. |
| 16:14.55 | CBG | bz6664: an IRC Channel... |
| 16:15.02 | bz6664 | what dat? |
| 16:15.03 | LePoulpe | bz6664 : a dangerous place |
| 16:15.07 | bz6664 | ? |
| 16:15.16 | CBG | bz6664: Search google. |
| 16:15.21 | Chestal | cods: never tried those so cannot comment on whether it is a similar effect what I am seeing |
| 16:15.21 | LePoulpe | bz6664: all people here are potential psychopats |
| 16:15.30 | bz6664 | lol |
| 16:15.41 | bz6664 | y r ppl talkin here? |
| 16:15.47 | cods | Chestal: I could try to strace it will playing however.. I don't tested that yet. |
| 16:16.07 | Chestal | cods: I wouldn't expect to gain much insight from that |
| 16:16.20 | CBG | bz6664: tahts what you do in an irc channel - talk.... |
| 16:16.29 | bz6664 | y r we talkin? |
| 16:16.37 | CBG | wtf? |
| 16:16.39 | cods | bz6664: can you spell words with all letters.. |
| 16:16.52 | creeperz | hmm, people don't know what IRC is and they still find it intruiging :-P |
| 16:16.55 | bz6664 | i just clicked on a link and it sent me to this page |
| 16:17.04 | Chestal | cods: hard to find the cause, you coudl try to run with -mute to rule out sound problems |
| 16:17.08 | LePoulpe | bz6664: sometimes you can sing too Example : straaaaaaaaaaaangers in the niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
| 16:17.13 | cods | Chestal: good idea. Trying that. |
| 16:17.18 | bz6664 | y am i bz6664? |
| 16:17.43 | CBG | bz6664: Who cares? |
| 16:17.54 | bz6664 | i didnt sign in or anything |
| 16:17.55 | CBG | bz6664: Go search google to find out more about IRC. |
| 16:17.58 | LePoulpe | CBG :) |
| 16:18.00 | bz6664 | this the first time ive bee nhere |
| 16:18.07 | bz6664 | whatever |
| 16:18.11 | LePoulpe | bz6664: i can't believe that |
| 16:18.13 | CBG | bz6664: If you keep wasteing our time we will have to send the lads round. |
| 16:18.16 | bz6664 | im asuming this thing is about bzflag right? |
| 16:18.20 | cods | Chestal: no change. Get stuck 2s (2 times) while trying some seconds. |
| 16:18.27 | *** part/#bzflag LePoulpe (~lpos@AMontpellier-251-1-4-242.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:18.40 | CBG | Its a channel to talk about developing bzflag. |
| 16:18.46 | bz6664 | =0 |
| 16:18.49 | Chestal | cods: does it happen, when you play on a locl server, too? |
| 16:18.51 | CBG | You will get flamed for going off-topic. |
| 16:18.53 | bz6664 | 4 real?!? |
| 16:19.01 | wegstar | ... |
| 16:19.02 | bz6664 | developing it? |
| 16:19.04 | CBG | Yes. Now either be queit or leave... |
| 16:19.13 | bz6664 | like the guys who made the game? |
| 16:19.23 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 16:19.28 | creeperz | and like totally and stuff dude |
| 16:19.41 | wegstar | continue making the map :) |
| 16:19.45 | CBG | ruskie: make it 5 levels! :D |
| 16:19.48 | bz6664 | wow |
| 16:19.52 | bz6664 | ? |
| 16:19.58 | bz6664 | cbg who r u? |
| 16:20.02 | ruskie | CBG, :)) might consider it... |
| 16:20.13 | ruskie | though I think 3 levels is confusing enough already.. |
| 16:20.14 | CBG | ruskie: hehe! |
| 16:20.21 | ruskie | maybe 4 levels |
| 16:20.26 | CBG | bz6664: I'm just a player who WANTS to be a dev(eloper)... |
| 16:20.30 | ruskie | just to have all 4 rotations of the map... |
| 16:20.35 | CBG | Yeah. |
| 16:20.36 | bz6664 | ohhh |
| 16:20.42 | bz6664 | kewl |
| 16:20.44 | cods | Chestal: yes. Same problem running a server locally (with just -d -j +r option) |
| 16:20.48 | creeperz | bz6664: and you are an uber lamer noob :-P |
| 16:20.49 | CBG | then maybe have the 5th floor almosty completely open... |
| 16:20.52 | bz6664 | i kno nothing about developing |
| 16:20.58 | CBG | Then shush. |
| 16:21.06 | wegstar | :) |
| 16:21.14 | bz6664 | ok i just listen to u "developers" |
| 16:21.20 | creeperz | CBG > bz6664 |
| 16:21.26 | wegstar | very good. |
| 16:21.33 | CBG | Uhh? |
| 16:21.38 | wegstar | ? |
| 16:21.41 | bz6664 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.42 | CBG | I'm bigger than bz6664? |
| 16:21.48 | bz6664 | ? |
| 16:21.57 | bz6664 | y is my name bz6664? |
| 16:22.04 | CBG | Its basically random... |
| 16:22.18 | bz6664 | huh |
| 16:22.21 | CBG | I am more evil than bz6664? |
| 16:22.23 | creeperz | CBG: > means greater, not bigger :-P |
| 16:22.26 | Chestal | cods: hmm, my last idea for now would be to stop all your stuff and start a plain X directly, then play bzflag on it,to rule out interference from other processes as far as possible |
| 16:22.51 | CBG | So I am great(er than bz6664) ? :) |
| 16:22.54 | bz6664 | do u guys play 1.10.8 |
| 16:23.05 | bz6664 | i like that 1 better |
| 16:23.11 | Chestal | cods: you could also try to activate that provisional frame rate limiting, there was a simple patch to achieve it. Didn't work so great for me, but might be worth a try |
| 16:23.14 | bz6664 | the new one is ok |
| 16:23.39 | cods | Chestal: hmmm, it's something recent ? (less than 6 months ?) |
| 16:23.44 | bz6664 | 010203100901031315 |
| 16:23.56 | CBG | creeperz: You think I am great? |
| 16:23.58 | Chestal | cods: yes, was discusses here about 1 month ago I think |
| 16:23.59 | bz6664 | i'll b leavin now |
| 16:24.09 | CBG | Bye. |
| 16:24.12 | bz6664 | see u guys on bzflag 1.10.8 |
| 16:24.14 | wegstar | cya |
| 16:24.17 | bz6664 | peace |
| 16:24.22 | bz6664 | oh by the way |
| 16:24.26 | CBG | love and chicken grease. |
| 16:24.45 | bz6664 | im "your teammate" on bzflag |
| 16:24.50 | bz6664 | that my name |
| 16:24.53 | wegstar | argh!!! |
| 16:24.55 | bz6664 | later |
| 16:25.05 | CBG | Bye now. |
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| 16:38.43 | wegstar | ack! lan56 needs to update the dev-c++ project file :( |
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| 16:40.39 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || "Killing Spree" |
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| 16:58.56 | cods | look like killing most of the processes, and gkrellm(!) in particular fix my problem. Very weird. I suspect something related to X11/GL however. |
| 16:59.51 | cods | Chestal: thanks for the help :) |
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| 17:08.51 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || "Killing Spree" |
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| 17:20.24 | christof83 | ie new positions) are calculated in the Renderer or new positions are just sent to the renderer |
| 17:20.37 | christof83 | oops |
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| 17:21.33 | christof_83 | Let me try that again. Can someone enlighten me as to where the calculations of new positions according to DR vectors are made. |
| 17:21.58 | christof_83 | Is the renderer sent the dr vector? or is the renderer sent the new positions |
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| 17:24.26 | Pimpinella | maybe yu'll need some patience until somebody occurrs who can answer to that question without looking at the code |
| 17:24.49 | trepan | Player.cxx -> tankNode->move(state.pos, forward); |
| 17:25.10 | trepan | "renderer" has no knowledge of "DR" |
| 17:25.21 | christof_83 | ok, thank you , that is what i wanted to know |
| 17:25.24 | Pimpinella | well, prolly no that much patience;) |
| 17:25.42 | Pimpinella | ~trepan++ |
| 17:26.22 | Pimpinella | trepan, you added the sender to /say command right? |
| 17:26.54 | trepan | yup, a long time ago, in a galaxy ... |
| 17:27.23 | Pimpinella | do you think it's the way the command should work? |
| 17:27.31 | trepan | yes |
| 17:27.37 | trepan | non anonymous messages |
| 17:27.42 | trepan | s/non/no |
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| 17:28.04 | Pimpinella | i wrote it to enable anonymous messages ;) |
| 17:28.13 | trepan | i added it the day the owner of one of the big servers slandered me publicly using it |
| 17:28.48 | Pimpinella | ~x en de slander |
| 17:29.03 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 17:29.57 | trepan | i think it's enough that the message is proxied by the SERVER to show its authority |
| 17:29.58 | Pimpinella | that server owner should probably have removed perms for it if he dislikes usage ;) |
| 17:30.29 | trepan | server owners can do anything they want to the code |
| 17:30.37 | Pimpinella | sure |
| 17:31.14 | Pimpinella | just wondered, because my intention was not to have it work that way |
| 17:31.39 | trepan | no anonymous messages, they're a bad idea in general |
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| 17:44.25 | Birdie | ~seen cosmos |
| 17:44.26 | ibot | cosmos <~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6d 16h 15m 37s ago, saying: 'or too many script kiddies on your block packeting away'. |
| 17:49.05 | jpa_ | hi thumpiee |
| 17:54.15 | BearPerson | well, anonymous messages have the one big advantage they allow for quite peaceful adminship |
| 17:54.51 | BearPerson | having "[SERVER] No swearing..." just carries much more authority that "[SERVER] No swearing... (BearPerson)" |
| 17:57.37 | trepan | feel free to get it reverted, i really don't care |
| 17:57.44 | CBG | BearPerson: I agree. |
| 17:58.16 | jpa_ | maybe some TALKANONYMOUS permission :P |
| 17:58.30 | BearPerson | :) |
| 17:58.43 | BearPerson | or pre-defined /say's that are anonymous |
| 17:59.20 | jpa_ | nah |
| 17:59.23 | jpa_ | too complicated |
| 17:59.35 | jpa_ | million different permissions is much simpler |
| 17:59.49 | BearPerson | lol |
| 18:01.25 | CBG | much much much simpler. |
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| 18:05.37 | CBG | s/hrumbles/grumbls..; ._. |
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| 18:12.52 | CBG | JeffM2501: I take evrything I said yesterday back. |
| 18:13.00 | BearPerson | everything? |
| 18:13.08 | CBG | There was a post on the bb today that made me realise what a jerk I was. |
| 18:13.38 | CBG | BearPerson: Jeff knows what I mean... The "Remove the waste-of-space-post fiasco. |
| 18:14.00 | Pimpinella | BearPerson: i think i'll revert it on viper, but not in cvs, trepan is basically right |
| 18:14.09 | BearPerson | sounds good |
| 18:15.53 | BearPerson | gaah... need to get all the command-line-flags out again |
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| 18:17.23 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:17.43 | BearPerson | just to run my own server to test my revisions on the map... |
| 18:17.55 | BearPerson | I need the same settings as the server it'll run on eventually |
| 18:19.07 | BearPerson | can I seek through it and halt at a specified point? |
| 18:19.21 | BearPerson | freeze time and fly around as spectator basically |
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| 18:21.29 | CBG | REJOINER... hehe |
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| 18:23.48 | BearPerson | ouch... |
| 18:24.14 | BearPerson | X sigsegv'ing |
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| 18:40.03 | BearPerson | Pimpinella, got a second version of the viper map, with a few world weapons more |
| 18:40.14 | BearPerson | and them using reflections at the wall better |
| 18:40.55 | BearPerson | and 2 TH shots for people waiting a bit outside with SW to jump in when the server SWs are past |
| 18:41.59 | BearPerson | + 2 GM shots for fireworks at cap |
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| 19:02.43 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, more weapons? mmm |
| 19:02.57 | BearPerson | yeah, thinking it may become overloaded sometime |
| 19:03.39 | BearPerson | I can cut out 2 with the fireworks, the lasers on the right can be reduced by 1 or 2 |
| 19:03.52 | BearPerson | I think the THs make sense though |
| 19:03.57 | _Manu_ | actually there are too much weapons at bases |
| 19:04.31 | BearPerson | I don't know if I can make them less and still cover everything |
| 19:08.47 | BearPerson | hmm... I'm noticing some redundancies in the map... objects defined twice |
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| 19:14.34 | ruskie | _Manu_, to many??? how so? |
| 19:15.10 | Ice_Wewe | bye |
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| 19:16.14 | orange | more drama |
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| 19:26.34 | Birdie | the command to place a limit on a flag? |
| 19:27.14 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:27.38 | BearPerson | _Manu_, I can make it 4 SWs to clean the base |
| 19:27.39 | BearPerson | not less |
| 19:28.30 | BearPerson | actually, 3 is possible |
| 19:28.40 | ruskie | you sure? |
| 19:28.49 | BearPerson | according to my paper, yeah |
| 19:29.47 | bryjen | Birdie: shot limit? command line or map option like -sl GM 5 |
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| 19:33.22 | Legoguy | are there any recently found bugs that might allow someone to somehow execute arbitrary commands through a bzflag server... not sure if that's what happened to me or not but its a possibility |
| 19:35.07 | BearPerson | ohkaaay... running x-chat in fullscreen in doublehead on the second display with the two heads having different resolutions makes X segfault |
| 19:35.21 | BearPerson | as soon as they have the same res everything is fine and candy |
| 19:35.53 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, yes also clean your tanks when tries to recover your team flag |
| 19:36.07 | BearPerson | ? |
| 19:36.44 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, easy... two teams near capturing.. one captures.. and the player trying to recover his team flag get killed too |
| 19:37.00 | BearPerson | unavoidable :/ |
| 19:37.58 | jpa_ | just remove the spawn-on-base-after-capture thingie |
| 19:38.01 | jpa_ | voila, no camping |
| 19:38.21 | BearPerson | except for the one picking up the team flag again |
| 19:38.48 | bryjen | the flag goes back to base on capture too, so then the camper would have free pass to grab the flag again |
| 19:40.22 | jpa_ | so separate the get-here-to-capture base and flag-goes-here base.. kill the flag-goes-here campers |
| 19:40.37 | bryjen | perhaps on capture, the winning team should be respawned to their base (not killed, no loss of points, just moved) |
| 19:40.55 | bryjen | hrm, but that only works in a two-team game |
| 19:43.34 | Grumbler | hmm, sarge updates are 404 |
| 19:46.29 | Pimpinella | how about ftp? |
| 19:46.41 | BearPerson | ruskie, _Manu_ ... could you come in for some testing? bearperson.is-a-geek.net:5154 should work |
| 19:46.51 | ruskie | sure |
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| 19:46.59 | BearPerson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.46 | ruskie | works |
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| 19:57.34 | Birdie | menotume ping |
| 19:58.26 | Grumbler | Pimpinella, hmm, thats funky, i though i was going all ftp....couple http gets in there |
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| 20:02.16 | Grumbler | well, it would help if i moved the apt.sources.list from testing -> sarge |
| 20:03.41 | Tupone | testing -> stable |
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| 20:04.54 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5154 |
| 20:04.59 | S1gn | or something... :-) |
| 20:05.50 | jpa_ | yup, right command |
| 20:06.15 | jpa_ | it will say "can't connect, can't u even setup a server?!? u suck!!" soon |
| 20:06.44 | S1gn | <ibot> could not connect to amber.gotdns.org:5154 |
| 20:06.51 | S1gn | hm |
| 20:07.46 | S1gn | why? :-) |
| 20:08.11 | jpa_ | sorry, have helped too many already :) |
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| 20:10.39 | S1gn | ah... should be fixed now :-) |
| 20:10.44 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5154 |
| 20:11.36 | Grumbler | Tupone, is there a difference? |
| 20:11.56 | Grumbler | because testing->sarge worked as well |
| 20:11.57 | Tupone | I dunno, I guess so. I put stable there |
| 20:12.05 | Grumbler | hmm |
| 20:12.13 | Grumbler | i guess i should take the time to look |
| 20:12.21 | Grumbler | hurmph |
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| 20:15.05 | Grumbler | A release can often be referred to by both its codename (e.g. woody, |
| 20:15.05 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.05 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.30 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 20:26.46 | TimRiker | Grumbler: current releases always have two names. |
| 20:26.50 | TimRiker | ~etch |
| 20:26.53 | ibot | etch is probably the codename of the next Debian testing distribution (consequently, the stable release after sarge) |
| 20:27.10 | Tupone | TimRiker: have you upgraded ? |
| 20:27.32 | TimRiker | ~no etch is the codename of the current Debian testing distribution (consequently, the stable release after sarge) |
| 20:27.33 | ibot | okay, TimRiker |
| 20:27.43 | Tupone | can we go to autoconf next ? Still no? |
| 20:27.50 | TimRiker | Tupone: yes. apt/ibot/jbot/purl's server is running sarge now. |
| 20:28.14 | TimRiker | ibot: dinfo autoconf sarge |
| 20:28.38 | TimRiker | Tupone: that version work for you? |
| 20:28.49 | TimRiker | ibot: dinfo autoconf sid |
| 20:29.04 | TimRiker | same version in unstable. |
| 20:29.23 | Tupone | autoconf - automake I need, any successive, I can try to update a little here ... and I can ask you then ? |
| 20:29.47 | Tupone | ~dinfo automake sarge |
| 20:30.00 | TimRiker | going to post it as a patch on SF then so folks can try it? |
| 20:30.36 | TimRiker | I'd like to see a packaged tarball with automake, libtool, etc tested on something odd like solaris or irix. |
| 20:30.59 | Tupone | already configured I hope |
| 20:31.05 | Tupone | the make dist |
| 20:31.46 | TimRiker | ? configured? it needs to configure on each os. if you mean with a ./configure already built, then yes. |
| 20:32.00 | Tupone | yeah, the 2nd you said |
| 20:32.08 | TimRiker | ibot: dinfo automake1.9 sarge |
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| 20:45.16 | Thumper_ | jpa_: hi apj |
| 20:46.03 | jpa_ | i'm not apj! |
| 20:46.15 | Grumbler | TimRiker, yeah, i was using "testing" in my apt-config stuff and "testing" is borked right now.....so i went to "sarge", but tupone indicated "stable" and thats when i looked up to see if there was a difference........which there is during an release day, otherwise they are the same |
| 20:46.56 | Grumbler | Thumper_, thats her sister |
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| 20:47.37 | jpa_ | no it is not |
| 20:47.51 | jpa_ | my sister is pooppi or anodi, depends on which of them |
| 20:48.29 | Birdie | enlightened_n00b ping |
| 20:48.46 | TimRiker | Grumbler: well, stable was woody, and changed to sarge. so using stable on release day will find some mirrors and other sites that have not yet updated. |
| 20:49.53 | Grumbler | yep |
| 20:51.57 | Grumbler | my initial concern was that they store off the release as "sarge" and never keep that current, and only keep stable current...ie, an old copy, not a link.....but it does appear to be a link so all is well.....except that i had to dig around t o find out why the testing stuff was borked, which, was really not that bad |
| 20:52.23 | Grumbler | would be nice if apt-get had a built in messager |
| 20:55.08 | TimRiker | Grumbler: huh? |
| 20:56.37 | Grumbler | well, something that check a tag, and say, ya'know stupid, that sarge has been released, so unless you want to keep with "testing" you might want to update your source.list |
| 20:57.36 | Grumbler | ....for those of us who dont live and breathe debian |
| 20:57.49 | Thumper_ | Grumbler: there are people like that? where??!!?? |
| 20:58.04 | Thumper_ | just make it 'stable' and forget about it |
| 20:58.13 | Thumper_ | that way it'll upgrade to the next stable years from now ;) |
| 20:59.23 | Grumbler | dang blew that /me |
| 20:59.41 | Grumbler | that'll teach me t o change the desk height |
| 21:08.34 | Grumbler | 07 - in the waiting line |
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| 21:42.38 | amathis | ACK! |
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| 21:48.28 | cods | I don't following latest changes in CVS, but are inside points still needed when constructing a map ? |
| 21:48.38 | cods | following->followed |
| 21:49.09 | Grumbler | followed->follow the |
| 21:51.07 | brad2901 | purl bzfquery hepcat.tybox.net:5155 |
| 21:51.27 | brad2901 | oh.. ibot.. stupid me |
| 21:51.33 | brad2901 | ibot bzfquery hepcat.tybox.net:5155 |
| 21:53.46 | trepan | cods: yes |
| 21:55.37 | cods | ok |
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| 22:11.46 | enlightened_n00b | Birdie: pong |
| 22:13.00 | Birdie | actually your to late, tim riker did what i wanted |
| 22:13.10 | Birdie | sorry to bother |
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| 22:17.04 | spldart | Ping JeffM |
| 22:17.47 | spldart | I'd like to propose another name for your new group.... |
| 22:18.18 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:18.31 | spldart | Anubis(The Spawn) 207.40.148.88 |
| 22:18.46 | spldart | For stuff like "/reportfile you suck balls" |
| 22:18.48 | JeffM2501 | what'd they do? |
| 22:18.52 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 22:18.54 | spldart | Sounds like an asshat to me :) |
| 22:19.02 | spldart | hehe |
| 22:19.24 | spldart | But it's totally up to you of course |
| 22:19.34 | JeffM2501 | that a global name? |
| 22:19.40 | spldart | lemme check |
| 22:20.11 | JeffM2501 | it's not |
| 22:20.13 | spldart | oops... I think not :( token "" |
| 22:20.20 | spldart | My bad |
| 22:20.33 | JeffM2501 | that one's gonna be all you |
| 22:20.39 | spldart | Well... He's one to look out for for you server operators |
| 22:20.40 | JeffM2501 | unless you want to go reg only |
| 22:20.51 | spldart | I just gave him a ban |
| 22:20.59 | spldart | But I thought I'd put a heads up in here too |
| 22:22.10 | spldart | Yah know... I was kinda wanting my server/map to be kid safe. And of course the LouMan racetrack is fun for the younger tankers. But it seems nobody heeds the 'please don't use bad language' at all :( |
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| 22:24.33 | spldart | Actually that's not totally accurate.. 2 people out of all the ones that broke my language rule actually did control the cussing at my request and were cool about it. |
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| 22:31.14 | bz4288 | A newbie FAQ: no fonts. Has anyone had trouble running bzflag on linux right after installation and compiling the sources? There are no fonts in my data/fonts directory and this causes an error. |
| 22:32.19 | cods | What distribution ? |
| 22:33.04 | cods | I got the same problem today with Gentoo.. But probably because I suppressed to much fonts some days ago, reinstalling X made bzflag start again. |
| 22:33.40 | bz4288 | Source distribution, bzflag-2.0.2.20050318, downloaded today from SourceForge. |
| 22:34.10 | cods | Are you sure that you don't have several data directory ? (from older installation) |
| 22:34.20 | bz4288 | first time I have installed it. |
| 22:34.59 | cods | you can try to run bzflag with -directory pointing to data directory in your sources |
| 22:35.20 | bz4288 | Yes, I have done that. The data directory in my sources contains an empty fonts/ directory. This is why I get an error message. |
| 22:36.06 | cods | hmm |
| 22:36.25 | cods | I've the bzflag-2.0.2.20050318.tar.bz2 package, and I can see all fonts inside data/fonts directory. |
| 22:36.45 | cods | by package I mean tarball |
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| 22:37.38 | Tupone | bz4288: did you got any answer ? |
| 22:38.02 | bz4288 | I took the gzip package, and I guess it is missing the fonts? I'll retry with the bz2 package. |
| 22:38.16 | Tupone | how did you build ? |
| 22:38.35 | cods | he said that in sources directory, he don't even have fonts inside data/ directory. |
| 22:38.39 | cods | which seem very strange. |
| 22:38.46 | bz4288 | Wait up, I goofed. |
| 22:39.06 | bz4288 | The fonts are in the source distribution. I was pointing -dir to the data/ in my build directory, which is empty. |
| 22:40.04 | bz4288 | Very cool! All is well now. Thanks for the help. |
| 22:40.09 | Tupone | ok |
| 22:50.12 | Pimpinella | Death_Barrel: ping |
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| 22:58.27 | Tupone | TimRiker: first step is too easy, no change to configure, only name, and then recall aclocal-1.4 in autogen.sh :) Still a patch ? |
| 23:00.10 | Tupone | so step are configure.in -> configure.ac and in autogen.sh aclocal -> aclocal-1.4 |
| 23:01.09 | TimRiker | Tupone: hmm. will it be aclocal-1.4 everywhere? |
| 23:01.31 | Tupone | I see it on debian and here. I suppose is a standard |
| 23:01.31 | Pimpinella | Death_Barrel: timeout, g'nite |
| 23:01.39 | Tupone | here -> gentoo |
| 23:02.00 | Tupone | pratically I'm calling he new autoconf, but the old automake for now |
| 23:02.50 | Tupone | with that no change to any other file. So we can proceed slowly without big impact |
| 23:06.36 | TimRiker | sounds good. get folks to test it out so we can get feedback. |
| 23:06.55 | Tupone | ok, I'll do commit then . ? |
| 23:07.00 | TimRiker | My dev system at home still won't build anything. it's been that way for a few weeks now. |
| 23:07.11 | Tupone | :( |
| 23:07.25 | TimRiker | hang on, I'll grab the error.. |
| 23:08.06 | TimRiker | In file included from VotingArbiter.cxx:14: |
| 23:08.06 | TimRiker | ../../include/VotingArbiter.h:18:17: deque: No such file or directory |
| 23:08.36 | Tupone | still redhat 7.3 ? |
| 23:08.50 | TimRiker | nope. debian unstable on ppc |
| 23:10.12 | Tupone | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5-20050130/include/g++/deque I got there |
| 23:10.26 | TimRiker | note the i686 in your path. |
| 23:10.39 | Tupone | yeah, that is specific to my version of compiler |
| 23:10.57 | TimRiker | yep. my ppc box does not have a similar file. |
| 23:11.16 | Tupone | but what version of gcc? |
| 23:12.02 | TimRiker | 3.3.6 |
| 23:13.34 | TimRiker | ah! it's been fixed. building no. |
| 23:13.37 | TimRiker | er now |
| 23:14.07 | Tupone | fixed by who? in your system ? |
| 23:14.19 | TimRiker | debian package |
| 23:14.23 | Tupone | ahh |
| 23:15.00 | TimRiker | well, I'll test more tonight. go ahead and commit the changes, then lets get some testing before taking the next steps. |
| 23:15.08 | Tupone | ok |
| 23:15.21 | TimRiker | someone on fedora should try it out. |
| 23:15.43 | Tupone | menotume: ping :) |
| 23:16.53 | TimRiker | headed home. |
| 23:17.02 | Tupone | bye |
| 23:17.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (configure.ac autogen.sh configure.in): A little upgrade. Using new autoconf |
| 23:18.13 | DTRemenak | ./autogen.sh: line 4: aclocal-1.4: command not found |
| 23:18.22 | Tupone | hehe, what system ? |
| 23:18.27 | DTRemenak | root@dtremenak:/home/wine# aclocal --version |
| 23:18.27 | Tupone | mingw ? |
| 23:18.30 | DTRemenak | aclocal (GNU automake) 1.9.4 |
| 23:18.35 | DTRemenak | slackware |
| 23:18.43 | Tupone | can you install the old aclocal? |
| 23:18.58 | DTRemenak | doubt it. why would I want to? |
| 23:19.03 | Tupone | or you have that, 'cause you build |
| 23:19.40 | Tupone | you builded bzflag before ther. No ? |
| 23:19.48 | Tupone | s/builded/built/ |
| 23:19.57 | DTRemenak | yes. |
| 23:20.15 | Tupone | so you should have look at the head of aclocal.m4 |
| 23:20.25 | Tupone | s/so you should// |
| 23:20.27 | DTRemenak | changing the "aclocal-1.4" line to just read "aclocal" seems to continue working fine. |
| 23:21.19 | Tupone | have you cleaned it before configuring? |
| 23:21.32 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 23:22.09 | DTRemenak | just tried to clean again, and got "make: *** No rule to make target `configure.in', needed by `Makefile.in'. Stop." |
| 23:22.17 | Tupone | what does it says the old aclocal.m4 > |
| 23:22.36 | Tupone | configure.in has gone |
| 23:22.46 | DTRemenak | Makefile.in doesn't know it's gone |
| 23:23.07 | Tupone | Makefile.in is not in CVS :) |
| 23:23.19 | Tupone | so you have left pieces around |
| 23:23.24 | DTRemenak | clearly |
| 23:23.24 | Tupone | not cleaned :) |
| 23:23.50 | Tupone | can you look at aclocal.m4 please :_( |
| 23:24.03 | DTRemenak | what do you need to know? |
| 23:24.13 | Tupone | dnl aclocal.m4 generated automatically by aclocal 1.4-p6 |
| 23:24.14 | Pimpinella | do we have guidelines for masterbans? |
| 23:24.21 | DTRemenak | # generated automatically by aclocal 1.9.4 -*- Autoconf -*- |
| 23:24.22 | Tupone | this is what it says to me |
| 23:24.40 | Tupone | that is even from the old version ? |
| 23:24.58 | DTRemenak | dunno. want me to update -D yesterday? |
| 23:25.28 | Tupone | you don't have another configured directory |
| 23:25.41 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 23:25.59 | Pimpinella | JeffM2501: ping |
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| 23:26.17 | Tupone | what file is aclocal? |
| 23:26.17 | DTRemenak | same header after cvs update -dP -D yesterday && ./autogen.sh |
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| 23:26.42 | DTRemenak | aclocal: /usr/bin/aclocal /usr/share/aclocal |
| 23:26.58 | Tupone | file /usr/bin/aclocal ? |
| 23:27.15 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.50 | Tupone | so you have aclocal-1.9 . Can you get aclocal-1.4 ? |
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| 23:28.10 | DTRemenak | suppose I could build it from source. it's not on the slack cds. |
| 23:28.27 | DTRemenak | not building on a default configuration of a standard, popular linux distro is Bad anyway. |
| 23:28.41 | Tupone | ahh :( However I have not tested with automake 1.9. Can work or cannot work |
| 23:29.16 | DTRemenak | then I will test :) |
| 23:29.36 | Tupone | Yeah, but clean everything, except your eventual changes |
| 23:29.54 | DTRemenak | yes, cleaning now (with yesterday). then update and build. |
| 23:30.07 | Tupone | why not today ? |
| 23:30.34 | DTRemenak | because if I update to today, make maintainer-clean fails |
| 23:30.43 | DTRemenak | because configure.in does not exist |
| 23:31.10 | Tupone | :( I build in a different directory than source, so my cleaning, most of the time is a rm -rf |
| 23:33.00 | DTRemenak | ok, all clean and updated. no config* other than configure.ac, no ac* other than acinclude.m4. this ok? |
| 23:33.15 | Tupone | and Makefile.in gone :) ok |
| 23:33.24 | DTRemenak | removed -1.4 from autogen.sh |
| 23:33.36 | Tupone | and autom4cache? |
| 23:33.55 | Tupone | autom4te.cache |
| 23:33.56 | DTRemenak | also gone |
| 23:34.16 | DTRemenak | BZFlag sources are now prepared. |
| 23:34.29 | Tupone | ok, so seems good too |
| 23:34.36 | DTRemenak | configureing |
| 23:35.15 | DTRemenak | BZFlag-2.0.3.20050608 with the following: |
| 23:35.17 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.18 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.20 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.21 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.27 | DTRemenak | looks good so far |
| 23:35.28 | Tupone | try to commit if that work. no need for any change in autogen.sh . good. So we can jump to automake-1.9 |
| 23:35.42 | Tupone | no need for my changes, you have to do |
| 23:35.55 | DTRemenak | make seems to be rumbling along fine too |
| 23:36.06 | Tupone | to revert my only change. except the name of configure |
| 23:36.49 | Tupone | well, if you have automake-1.9 probably you have also only autoconf 2.59. And you have build any day with this configuration |
| 23:36.52 | Tupone | I guess |
| 23:37.31 | Tupone | well, do whatever you want ... I'm head to bed |
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