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| 00:18.44 | jolie | so |
| 00:18.47 | jolie | wjere is everybody |
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| 00:29.21 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: will you be around later tonight? (in maybe 4 hours or so) |
| 00:31.15 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 00:31.16 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 00:31.21 | JeffM2501 | big ish |
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| 05:46.36 | bz4067 | how to chat in bzflag |
| 05:46.46 | bz4067 | how to chat in bzflag |
| 05:46.55 | bz4067 | any body know how to chat in bzflag |
| 05:47.05 | bz4067 | any body know how to chat in bzflag |
| 05:47.09 | purple_cow | we heard you the first time |
| 05:47.14 | purple_cow | press n to send a message |
| 05:47.23 | bz4067 | thanks |
| 05:47.29 | SportChick | press n to send a message to all, m to send a message to team |
| 05:47.36 | bz4067 | ok |
| 05:47.46 | SportChick | press . to send a message to an individual player and , to send a message to your nemesis |
| 05:48.18 | bz4067 | thanks buddy |
| 05:48.33 | bz4067 | can i ask ur loca |
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| 05:50.01 | jolie | and morning |
| 05:54.29 | GvzEvxre | and use esc, then help to read about all this in the online help. |
| 05:54.51 | GvzEvxre | the key assignment page is another useful read. |
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| 07:51.22 | ruskie | hmmm ok have 77 objects on the map already and it's 50% complete another so many objects and the map will be almost done... |
| 07:51.54 | ruskie | then just group them in a layer stack on top twice rotate make inbetween floors... and setup traps |
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| 09:41.46 | Pimpi | ruskie: sneak preview? |
| 09:41.54 | ruskie | will do... |
| 09:42.06 | Pimpi | :) |
| 09:44.52 | ruskie | mages.ath.cx:5154 |
| 09:44.58 | ruskie | extremly incomplete |
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| 10:00.18 | ruskie | :) |
| 10:00.25 | Pimpi | keep me informed |
| 10:00.35 | ruskie | will do |
| 10:00.43 | ruskie | hopefully I'll have layers done by today... |
| 10:00.55 | ruskie | then only world weapons and zones and physics need to be defined :) |
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| 11:22.50 | Pimpi | wow, my girl likes U2 :) |
| 11:23.22 | Pimpi | though she's @2 not U2 ;) |
| 11:30.41 | Pimpi | do we have a way to sync clients in case the server thinks different about players and teams score? |
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| 13:27.10 | BIYA | I can't log on to the forum :( |
| 13:27.49 | BIYA | Past 2 days I could'nt log on :( |
| 13:28.35 | ruskie | anyone wanna come see my map(WIP) mages.ath.cx:5154 in bzflag... |
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| 14:05.26 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery bzflag.sleepycows.us:5255 |
| 14:05.40 | fabianne | O_o |
| 14:05.47 | ToughShooter | ruskie: Seems like I got more luck ;) |
| 14:06.00 | fabianne | my bunny... |
| 14:06.52 | [dmp] | BIYA: which forum? |
| 14:10.25 | BIYA | bzbb. |
| 14:11.08 | ruskie | ToughShooter? |
| 14:11.12 | BIYA | i got to go to another class bye |
| 14:15.52 | ToughShooter | ruskie: Regarding to amount of players |
| 14:55.17 | ruskie | ToughShooter, mages.ath.cx is my home testbed server... my real one is bzflag.dtdm.org:5154 :) |
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| 14:57.58 | spldart | morning |
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| 16:54.51 | fabianne | ^_^ |
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| 17:25.37 | ruskie | ok one layer of map finished... sneak peaks at mages.ath.cx:5154 |
| 17:27.32 | Grumbler | dont everybody talk at once |
| 17:27.42 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:28.57 | ruskie | ok how can I group togheter some items and then make that work as a single object? |
| 17:29.40 | BearPerson | ruskie, check out the viper map as an example :) |
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| 17:30.31 | BearPerson | I think it's group\n name foo\n...\n end, then group foo\n name foo\n end |
| 17:30.33 | BearPerson | not sure |
| 17:30.43 | BearPerson | erm, that didn't make a lot of sense |
| 17:30.55 | ruskie | well I have define layer1 a lot of stuff under here end |
| 17:31.03 | ruskie | so I'm guessing that defines layer1 |
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| 17:35.27 | ruskie | checkit out without floors 3 layers |
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| 18:06.35 | Grumbler | BearPerson, http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking#head-08a2d5f7fcb2c70ddbdcece9d9165923c12ec061 |
| 18:24.25 | ruskie | mages.ath.cx:5154 <-- now with some floors |
| 18:25.06 | Grumbler | would be easier for some if you have jpg you could post |
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| 18:27.20 | sniperiid | hi :) |
| 18:29.18 | sniperiid | where i can get the bzmap 2.0 ? |
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| 18:30.41 | sniperiid | cods, Thumper_ : where i can get BzMap 2.0 |
| 18:30.52 | sniperiid | that perl scripts |
| 18:30.52 | cods | on bzflag.tuxee.net |
| 18:30.56 | cods | hmm ? |
| 18:31.05 | sniperiid | well |
| 18:31.15 | sniperiid | tell me the exact link |
| 18:32.05 | sniperiid | pls |
| 18:32.12 | sniperiid | :) |
| 18:32.13 | cods | Look at the "experimental" section on the page above. It's the 2.0 version. |
| 18:32.20 | sniperiid | k |
| 18:32.45 | cods | but it's in a Arch repository.. However there is some links to download a tar.gz file. |
| 18:33.44 | Thumper_ | cods: hi :) |
| 18:33.55 | cods | Hi Thumper_ |
| 18:34.07 | sniperiid | http://arch.tuxee.net/archzoom.cgi/frederic@jolliton.com--2005-main/bzmap-system--experimental--0.2 |
| 18:34.14 | sniperiid | what i do here? what i select ? :P |
| 18:34.24 | sniperiid | Thumper_ : hey :) |
| 18:35.30 | sniperiid | cods: what i select from that page? |
| 18:35.35 | sniperiid | :O |
| 18:36.03 | cods | that's the fun part: You can found that by yourself. |
| 18:36.22 | cods | (mostly because I'm busy at the moment..) |
| 18:36.35 | sniperiid | k |
| 18:49.56 | ruskie | hmmm how do I make a nonspawnable zone??? |
| 18:50.51 | ToughShooter | Define where tanks should spawn |
| 18:51.07 | ToughShooter | leave the place you don't want out |
| 18:52.30 | ruskie | zone |
| 18:52.30 | ruskie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.30 | ruskie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.31 | ruskie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.31 | ruskie | end |
| 18:52.34 | ruskie | something like that? |
| 18:52.55 | ToughShooter | Well, just RTFM ;) |
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| 18:56.37 | ToughShooter | Not that I know |
| 18:56.37 | ruskie | atm everony respwans on top |
| 18:57.12 | BearPerson | lol |
| 18:57.36 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, respawn is like actually is but only looking a place for the zone you defined |
| 18:58.02 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, or I think so |
| 18:58.35 | ruskie | no matter what I do I spawn on the pyramid on top of the world :( |
| 18:59.21 | _Manu_ | ruskie, bad luck :) |
| 18:59.22 | ruskie | tried a physics object on top it failed... |
| 18:59.27 | ruskie | well it killed |
| 18:59.33 | ruskie | but nobody spawned anywhere else |
| 18:59.49 | Tupone | ruskie: if I'm not wrong, you can spawn on top of box and ground. I'm surely wrong |
| 19:00.20 | _Manu_ | Tupone, i think so too.. but not sure :) |
| 19:00.26 | ruskie | adding -sb and -fb might help |
| 19:00.42 | ruskie | yes |
| 19:00.45 | Tupone | so, if you get mesh object all along the world, it odes not spawn |
| 19:01.04 | ruskie | wanna join mages.ath.cx:5154 |
| 19:01.08 | _Manu_ | then is as i said.. |
| 19:01.23 | Tupone | or spawn at center if time allocated end |
| 19:01.48 | _Manu_ | then probably this is what happened to ruskie.. |
| 19:06.29 | ruskie | anyone else wanna come check out the map... |
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| 19:11.19 | ruskie | the floors and traps will be hard to setup... |
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| 19:26.42 | Grumbler | heh, its bad when the feature request is "go get a wife" |
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| 19:55.48 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: oook. explain me how this custom plugin handler thing works |
| 19:56.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 19:58.21 | JeffM2501 | plugin calls bz_registerCustomPluginHandaler("py",&myfreakingHandaler); |
| 19:58.34 | JeffM2501 | where myfreakingHandaler is derived from bz_APIPluginHandaler |
| 19:58.47 | JeffM2501 | overide the handle method |
| 19:58.56 | JeffM2501 | it gives you the file that is wanted to be opened |
| 19:58.58 | JeffM2501 | and the param |
| 19:59.21 | JeffM2501 | so then somone could do -loaplugin myscript.py,someParam |
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| 19:59.51 | JeffM2501 | that way your plugin is only loaded once, yet called for each script file |
| 19:59.59 | purple_cow | hmm, ok |
| 20:00.00 | Thumper_ | ...Handaler? Is that a beer mug? |
| 20:00.14 | JeffM2501 | bzfs will try to automaticly load a plugin called "python" right now |
| 20:00.21 | purple_cow | ick |
| 20:00.35 | JeffM2501 | if it fails its no bigie |
| 20:00.45 | purple_cow | ya know what would make this API muchly sexier? |
| 20:00.48 | purple_cow | functors |
| 20:00.56 | JeffM2501 | what the funk is a functor? |
| 20:01.07 | purple_cow | operator () |
| 20:01.09 | jolie | uhm.. |
| 20:01.18 | JeffM2501 | splain |
| 20:01.40 | JeffM2501 | remember I don't have your fancy "schooling" or anything |
| 20:02.02 | purple_cow | so instead of having "handle" and "process" functions, the various classes just implement operator () |
| 20:02.24 | JeffM2501 | what if you want the same class to do more then one callback? |
| 20:02.25 | purple_cow | of course, it's not really much of a user visible change, but the backend would look cooler :) |
| 20:03.35 | purple_cow | because instead of calling handler->process(data), you'd just do handler(data) |
| 20:03.36 | Thumper_ | cool is good. cool Handalers makes for more enjoyable beer consumption ;) |
| 20:03.51 | JeffM2501 | do you want me to hook up your python plugin to handly py files for you? |
| 20:04.34 | purple_cow | naw, i'll do it, now that i understand how it works |
| 20:04.47 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:04.57 | purple_cow | there's some other stuff that needs to be cleaned up if the plugin is only loaded once |
| 20:05.03 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:05.13 | JeffM2501 | figured you'd like it if the plugin was loaded once only |
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| 20:05.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to add something where the plugin can say it's to be unique on load too |
| 20:05.31 | JeffM2501 | like a return code from load |
| 20:05.42 | JeffM2501 | then the plugin manager won't try to load it more then once. |
| 20:05.45 | JeffM2501 | even if somone screws up |
| 20:09.48 | ruskie | hmm there a way to define triggers on_tank_touch do this? |
| 20:10.44 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, not yet |
| 20:10.54 | JeffM2501 | server dosn't know collisions yet |
| 20:11.00 | ruskie | ahh |
| 20:11.15 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't know zones yet ether |
| 20:11.18 | JeffM2501 | sadly :( |
| 20:11.53 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: API to retrieve the world would be handy for that |
| 20:12.17 | JeffM2501 | that it would |
| 20:12.24 | JeffM2501 | I added adding to the world |
| 20:12.29 | JeffM2501 | I'll have to make a world iterator |
| 20:13.10 | JeffM2501 | for events tho I have to make the base system track when people enter and exit zones so plugin events can be called |
| 20:13.29 | JeffM2501 | and that means interploation on the server |
| 20:13.37 | JeffM2501 | didn't somone put a tank pos manager in or something? |
| 20:17.09 | bryjen | something in gamekeeper.cxx ? |
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| 20:21.58 | Tupone | fabianne: ltns |
| 20:22.25 | jolie | ... |
| 20:22.57 | jolie | tupo |
| 20:23.04 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:23.12 | jolie | i lost my ops!!! |
| 20:23.14 | jolie | :'( |
| 20:23.21 | Tupone | me too :( |
| 20:24.11 | _Manu_ | poor jolie |
| 20:24.21 | jolie | ... |
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| 20:29.20 | bryjen | hrm. there's a lastState array in bzfs.cxx that has a .pos[] element. |
| 20:30.45 | bryjen | its used directly a few times and once through GameKeeper::Player |
| 20:30.47 | bryjen | confusing |
| 20:31.07 | Grumbler | well, you cant have too many ops, then it would be insane |
| 20:31.21 | Grumbler | bryjen, cheat detection? |
| 20:31.41 | Grumbler | speed and otherwise |
| 20:33.09 | bryjen | not so much |
| 20:42.32 | JeffM2501 | freak |
| 20:42.46 | jpa_ | :,( |
| 20:43.40 | jpa_ | i'm not freak, i'm just different |
| 20:44.08 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:45.26 | ruskie | well in case anyone wants to get lost in the labyrinth mages.ath.cx:5154 open all night long... well nto really an hour from now it'll be chutdown if not sooner... |
| 20:48.13 | ruskie | comments welcome... |
| 20:50.37 | Grumbler | ok, all night long and shutdown within an hour dont create the same impression |
| 20:50.44 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:51.09 | ruskie | well I'm rebuilding the kernel then I'm going to sleep and the map doesn't have any flags... it's just for testing... |
| 20:51.33 | ruskie | I just want to see how ppl get disoriented and so on... |
| 20:52.34 | ruskie | and it's only running on a skimpy 128kbs up |
| 20:54.40 | Grumbler | so its gooing to be shutdown in an hour and its on a sucky connection.......you are not selling this very well |
| 20:54.59 | ruskie | :)) |
| 20:55.12 | ruskie | Grumbler, when the map is finished it'll be on a 100mbit server on 24/7 |
| 20:56.29 | Grumbler | suuuuurrrreeee, and george bush is not in his office smoking weed right now..... |
| 20:57.07 | BenUrban | i don't think weed is enough to account for george bush :P |
| 20:57.08 | ruskie | Grumbler, bzflag.dtdm.org:5154 <-- it'll be on here... |
| 21:10.19 | Grumbler | sure, would like to try it out.....no bz here |
| 21:10.39 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:14.38 | Thumper_ | ruskie: too easy with fast radar |
| 21:14.53 | ruskie | Thumper_, radar will be off |
| 21:14.54 | Thumper_ | turn radar off ;) |
| 21:15.04 | ruskie | this is only dev version... |
| 21:17.16 | ruskie | Thumper_, and it won't be that easy |
| 21:17.29 | ruskie | this map is still missing traps, sw mines, lasers and a geno gun |
| 21:18.18 | Thumper_ | watch out for trapping team flags in unretrieval spots |
| 21:18.34 | ruskie | and getting from level to level wont be this easy as well |
| 21:19.06 | ruskie | yeah that'll be the hard part... syncing it up... |
| 21:19.14 | ruskie | but since I have plans for any such spot :)) |
| 21:19.32 | ruskie | the map is atm 70% complete I'd say... |
| 21:19.54 | Thumper_ | is the maze fixed? |
| 21:20.13 | Thumper_ | as in static |
| 21:21.45 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, any APIs you think we need? |
| 21:21.58 | ruskie | Thumper_, well I don't really think it would be possible to make movable walls.. though would be nice |
| 21:22.14 | ruskie | Thumper_, bu it will be semi-dynamic... the world weapons will take care of that... |
| 21:22.24 | JeffM2501 | objects in the map can not move geometry |
| 21:23.27 | ruskie | and I doubt it'll be that easy with a geno gun guarding the safety zone for the flags... |
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| 21:24.04 | ruskie | someone mentiond the there are weapons that track??? |
| 21:26.10 | BearPerson | I don't think there can be |
| 21:29.41 | blast007 | I saw it once on trepan's server, but I'm not sure if that was put into the main branch |
| 21:30.16 | Thumper_ | ruskie: no just randomly generate the maze and replace the map daily or something |
| 21:31.06 | JeffM2501 | make a plugin that makes the map for you :) |
| 21:31.07 | Thumper_ | the outer edge of level 2 is really easy for navigating around the map even with radar off |
| 21:31.21 | ruskie | Thumper_, you wish :) |
| 21:31.25 | ruskie | atm it is |
| 21:31.29 | Thumper_ | yes ATM |
| 21:31.32 | ruskie | since the floors aren't defined properly :) |
| 21:31.40 | Thumper_ | waiting until you fill it with lasers and totally kill the FPS ;) |
| 21:31.47 | ruskie | naahhh |
| 21:31.47 | Grumbler | thats right, i am god |
| 21:31.54 | ruskie | level 2 will have sw mines |
| 21:31.58 | ruskie | level 3 will have lasers |
| 21:32.59 | Thumper_ | ruskie: weapons that track: they're called bots. too bad they have no concept of the z-axis |
| 21:33.02 | ruskie | Thumper_, you are aware that the whole map is hand coded? |
| 21:33.12 | Thumper_ | no :) |
| 21:34.46 | ruskie | and a well thought out maze with properly placed traps is waaaayyy better then anything randomly generated |
| 21:35.48 | Thumper_ | ruskie: the floor (level 1) is icky. objects overlap or something and the texturing looks bad |
| 21:35.52 | Thumper_ | levels 2 and 3 are fine |
| 21:36.04 | ruskie | well the floor is just another box |
| 21:36.13 | ruskie | with position of 0 0 0 |
| 21:36.15 | Thumper_ | it must overlap with something |
| 21:36.25 | ruskie | yeah with the ground I guess |
| 21:36.30 | Thumper_ | if you sit in place and turn you see the texture overlap |
| 21:36.38 | Thumper_ | can you turn off the ground texture? |
| 21:36.46 | ruskie | no clue how |
| 21:39.08 | ruskie | considering that this is my first map... |
| 21:40.27 | ruskie | well aded some flags... and radar to off |
| 21:40.55 | ruskie | there we go running with the mods |
| 21:46.48 | Thumper_ | ruskie: server down? |
| 21:46.53 | ruskie | seems so |
| 21:46.59 | ruskie | though the proccess is running |
| 21:47.12 | ruskie | but it's eating almost 100% cpu |
| 21:47.16 | Thumper_ | kill it |
| 21:47.44 | Thumper_ | ohwell off to make dinner. |
| 21:47.51 | Tupone | flags have to land on a box or ground |
| 21:48.12 | ruskie | Tupone, plenty of space for all of them... |
| 21:48.21 | Tupone | no meshes ? |
| 21:48.38 | ruskie | 1 pyramid, and tons of boxes |
| 21:48.57 | ruskie | and it worked before |
| 21:49.01 | Tupone | you added -fb ? |
| 21:49.08 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:49.19 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: can't think of anything at the moment. i figure we'll do OK to just add API as we need it |
| 21:49.30 | ruskie | well if I remove the flag config it works |
| 21:49.32 | Tupone | and boxes are real boxes, not meshed boxes |
| 21:50.21 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:50.23 | ruskie | real boxes |
| 21:50.28 | Tupone | adding flag means they have to land ... if you add and eat CPU I'm almost sure your server is finding a place for them to land |
| 21:50.32 | ruskie | well I just put some flags in and so far it works |
| 21:51.04 | Tupone | s/finding/looking for/ |
| 21:51.20 | ruskie | ok now it's working |
| 21:51.24 | ruskie | only removed -s1 |
| 21:53.49 | ruskie | the weird part is it only put them around the edge where there is some height... |
| 21:55.36 | ruskie | hmmm is there an easy way to get your current map coords as observer? |
| 21:56.41 | ruskie | do the flags require a certain height to materialize? |
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| 21:58.41 | reagleBRKLN | i'm running ubuntu, and after playing for about 10min, my keyboard doesn't work in bzflag, I have to kill X |
| 21:59.04 | ruskie | what wm? |
| 21:59.21 | reagleBRKLN | kde |
| 21:59.23 | ruskie | I had similar probs when some app in bg stole focus... |
| 21:59.33 | reagleBRKLN | hrmm... |
| 21:59.44 | ruskie | try running it -window |
| 21:59.45 | reagleBRKLN | sometimes i run workrave, but t his happens when not loaded and in suspend mode |
| 21:59.57 | Tupone | reagleBRKLN: your build is SDL ? |
| 22:00.13 | reagleBRKLN | Tupone: don't know...? |
| 22:00.15 | Tupone | first, what version of bzflag ? |
| 22:00.28 | Tupone | 2.0 or 1.10 ? |
| 22:00.29 | reagleBRKLN | 1.10.6.20040516ubuntu1 0 |
| 22:00.40 | reagleBRKLN | 2.0 runs like cr** on my machine |
| 22:01.06 | reagleBRKLN | will try -window |
| 22:01.10 | Tupone | ok, 1.10 is affected by the lost focus problem |
| 22:01.24 | reagleBRKLN | ah... would use 2.0 but its so slow and looks terrible |
| 22:01.41 | Tupone | how much slow? and what video you have ? |
| 22:02.07 | reagleBRKLN | nothing great: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G 20041217 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 22:02.23 | ruskie | sw... eeekkkk |
| 22:02.28 | ruskie | though it should work |
| 22:02.36 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 22:02.37 | JeffM2501 | dri |
| 22:02.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah 2.0 will run slower |
| 22:02.50 | JeffM2501 | it has more grapicalness |
| 22:02.51 | ruskie | ahh dri... me only saw the mesa part |
| 22:02.54 | Tupone | try to see what happens with 2.0 without the score |
| 22:02.57 | ruskie | JeffM2501, I use dri :) |
| 22:03.01 | JeffM2501 | get a real video card |
| 22:03.03 | JeffM2501 | dri blows |
| 22:03.05 | JeffM2501 | hard |
| 22:03.07 | ruskie | works without a prob here |
| 22:03.09 | ruskie | :) |
| 22:03.12 | JeffM2501 | 845 chipset blows |
| 22:03.13 | JeffM2501 | hard |
| 22:03.16 | reagleBRKLN | i play bzflag a few minutes a week :) |
| 22:03.19 | ruskie | ati r9250 though here :) |
| 22:03.22 | JeffM2501 | dri on an ATI is better |
| 22:03.29 | reagleBRKLN | Tupone: you mean without the score displayed on the screen? |
| 22:03.33 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:03.35 | JeffM2501 | reagleBRKLN, play with the graphics setings |
| 22:03.44 | JeffM2501 | some options turned off may work better for you |
| 22:03.49 | JeffM2501 | but don't turn off depth buffer |
| 22:03.57 | Tupone | and even without chat, to see if it is the font rendering that is slowing things |
| 22:03.58 | reagleBRKLN | JeffM2501: have done, but my point was that 2.0 was much worse than 1.10, rather play with 1.10 then |
| 22:04.00 | JeffM2501 | turnig text off may also help |
| 22:04.02 | ruskie | so can anyone answer do flags need some specific height cleared to spawn??? |
| 22:04.09 | JeffM2501 | reagleBRKLN, ok, then play 1.10 :) |
| 22:04.18 | Tupone | ruskie: I remember so, not sure |
| 22:04.23 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 is targeted at more modern hardware |
| 22:04.24 | reagleBRKLN | yes, but my dilemma then is the lost focus :) |
| 22:04.28 | JeffM2501 | things with GPUs |
| 22:04.37 | JeffM2501 | get a real video card |
| 22:04.43 | JeffM2501 | spend the $25 |
| 22:04.47 | Tupone | reagleBRKLN: work windowed, with 1.10 |
| 22:04.52 | ruskie | Tupone, any setting to reduce the height? |
| 22:04.55 | JeffM2501 | you can't support the past forever |
| 22:05.01 | Tupone | dunno :( |
| 22:05.12 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 on modern hardware runs better for many people then 1.10.x did |
| 22:05.18 | JeffM2501 | so you coudl say we have gained focus |
| 22:05.24 | JeffM2501 | just not focusing on your end |
| 22:05.25 | ruskie | well afk -sleep |
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| 22:06.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merging CURL libs in LIBS |
| 22:09.00 | bryjen | ruskie / Tupone : there is flagHeight, a BZDB value and also an atribute of the world section of the map |
| 22:09.37 | reagleBRKLN | tanks for help |
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| 22:17.33 | Tupone | http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 22:20.31 | TimRiker | Tupone: woot! sarge lives! |
| 22:20.38 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:20.58 | Tupone | you cannow upgrade you old box :) |
| 22:22.14 | TimRiker | I plan to. I was already planning to move it, but now I have more motivation. ;-) |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM2501 | only took them how long? |
| 22:27.50 | Tupone | 3 years |
| 22:27.59 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 22:28.17 | JeffM2501 | new guy must be kicking there butts |
| 22:28.54 | Tupone | they are supporting 11 architecture :0 |
| 22:32.39 | Pimpi | hm, NetBSD supports... forgot how many architctures but they release more often... |
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| 22:36.00 | Pimpi | they list 55 platforms |
| 22:41.03 | Pimpi | now, when will we support MacOSX/i386 ? ;) |
| 22:41.50 | JeffM2501 | its suposed to just be a recompile |
| 22:41.55 | JeffM2501 | even has emulation |
| 22:43.08 | JeffM2501 | tho I wonder if they are going to segement there market even more by having apps that only run on the intell chips |
| 22:45.03 | Pimpi | can't help, i think moving from ppc to i386 won't turn out to be a good idea for apple |
| 22:45.48 | Pimpi | it was sexy to have a ppc at home, no? |
| 22:47.02 | JeffM2501 | most mac users didn't care about the CPU really |
| 22:47.15 | JeffM2501 | they just like to be allof and say there stuff is "better" |
| 22:47.18 | JeffM2501 | and faster |
| 22:47.19 | JeffM2501 | when its' not |
| 22:47.38 | Pimpi | he |
| 22:48.05 | JeffM2501 | saw the tests of apache and mysql on osx, wasn't too good |
| 22:49.12 | Pimpi | why did you encapsulate stl containers for bzfAPI? |
| 22:49.34 | JeffM2501 | windows |
| 22:49.42 | Pimpi | ? |
| 22:49.51 | JeffM2501 | on windows I can't push templates across a DLL module boundry |
| 22:50.04 | Pimpi | ic |
| 22:50.14 | JeffM2501 | aka I can't have one module allocate memory that another frees |
| 22:50.16 | JeffM2501 | it sucks |
| 22:50.31 | JeffM2501 | but it's cleaner code then shuffling char*'s around |
| 22:50.43 | JeffM2501 | or fixed arrays |
| 22:50.52 | JeffM2501 | at least on the plugin side |
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| 22:54.17 | JeffM2501 | everybody wants a prostetic forehead for there real head. |
| 22:54.27 | WonderMop | lol |
| 22:54.28 | WonderMop | ok |
| 22:54.47 | WonderMop | hey, anyone know how to prevent packet loss when stuck w/ a transparent proxy? |
| 22:55.27 | JeffM2501 | if you don't have controll of the proxy, and the prouxy is what is losing the packets, then there isn't much you can do |
| 22:56.09 | WonderMop | Uggh |
| 22:56.33 | WonderMop | Yeah, the ISP has it running (squid) and I was wondering if I could punch a hole or work around it. |
| 22:57.02 | JeffM2501 | all you can do is send out packets |
| 22:57.12 | JeffM2501 | what it does with them is up to them, not your packet |
| 22:57.43 | WonderMop | Is it possible to send via a different route? |
| 22:58.20 | JeffM2501 | not from your computer |
| 22:58.38 | JeffM2501 | all your ISP does is route :) |
| 22:58.48 | WonderMop | via the gateway? |
| 22:59.01 | JeffM2501 | once the packet leaves your computer's nick then it's out of it's hands |
| 22:59.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyBZFlag.cpp PyBZFlag.h python.cpp): well, it compiles... |
| 22:59.21 | JeffM2501 | if your ISP has more then one gateway, where one is setup to not do proxy |
| 22:59.30 | JeffM2501 | but there would be no way to know that unless you worked at the ISP |
| 22:59.39 | WonderMop | Nope. Only one gate I know of. Are there public gates? |
| 22:59.41 | JeffM2501 | more then likely the proxy IS the gateway |
| 22:59.49 | JeffM2501 | no no, you can't use a "public" gate |
| 22:59.59 | WonderMop | We used to have one.. not anymore :( |
| 22:59.59 | JeffM2501 | the gateway is your ISP's local network gate to the real net |
| 23:00.04 | WonderMop | Yes |
| 23:00.16 | WonderMop | hmm |
| 23:00.24 | WonderMop | IP spoof won't do it either |
| 23:00.27 | WonderMop | crapola |
| 23:01.00 | Pimpi | JeffM2501: i don't get it, where do you grep events and send it to plugins? |
| 23:01.16 | JeffM2501 | grep? |
| 23:01.23 | JeffM2501 | there is no grep |
| 23:01.27 | WonderMop | U don't usually grep :P |
| 23:01.53 | JeffM2501 | WonderMop, more then likely your ONLY way out is that proxy, that's why it's there |
| 23:01.55 | JeffM2501 | call your ISP |
| 23:01.58 | JeffM2501 | tell them games don't work |
| 23:02.14 | WonderMop | You think they might help out? |
| 23:02.25 | WonderMop | I don't need the protection... good idea |
| 23:02.27 | JeffM2501 | probalby depends on how much of an ass you are |
| 23:02.36 | Pimpi | ~x de en umleiten |
| 23:02.38 | WonderMop | LOL... |
| 23:02.43 | WonderMop | Ok.. I'll be an ass :P |
| 23:02.46 | WonderMop | nhey ibot |
| 23:03.15 | JeffM2501 | Pimpi, the event handaler calls are spread thruout the code, when the event happens |
| 23:03.17 | Pimpi | somewhere there must be a reroute when a registered event occurs |
| 23:03.25 | JeffM2501 | it's not one place |
| 23:03.30 | Pimpi | k |
| 23:03.38 | JeffM2501 | for like the on cap event |
| 23:03.47 | JeffM2501 | there is code that happens in bzflag on the caputre |
| 23:03.55 | JeffM2501 | the code that checks for a caputre and then does "stuff" |
| 23:04.05 | Pimpi | sure, just didn't find it there |
| 23:04.09 | JeffM2501 | I put a call to any registered event handalers there |
| 23:04.13 | WonderMop | Can't you just sniff it and then hand off to a external program? |
| 23:04.14 | Pimpi | i'll read it again |
| 23:04.17 | JeffM2501 | where are you looking? |
| 23:04.43 | JeffM2501 | static void captureFlag(int playerIndex, TeamColor teamCaptured) |
| 23:04.43 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.04 | JeffM2501 | then there are calls to worldEventManager.callEvents(bz_eCaptureEvent,teamIndex,&eventData); |
| 23:05.07 | WonderMop | JeffM2501, You're a developer? |
| 23:05.09 | JeffM2501 | in that function |
| 23:05.11 | JeffM2501 | I am |
| 23:05.19 | Pimpi | was looking in captureFla and handleCommand |
| 23:05.27 | purple_cow | what the... |
| 23:05.28 | Pimpi | k |
| 23:05.30 | purple_cow | Plugin:python found but expects an older API version (0), upgrade it |
| 23:05.31 | purple_cow | ?? |
| 23:05.37 | JeffM2501 | UPGRADE!!!!!!! |
| 23:05.41 | JeffM2501 | new api man :) |
| 23:05.53 | WonderMop | JeffM2501, Cool. Are you looking for SMP versions of bz? |
| 23:05.54 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:05.55 | JeffM2501 | older |
| 23:05.56 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 23:06.03 | JeffM2501 | WonderMop, no |
| 23:06.04 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:06.23 | WonderMop | I got one (some tweaks) to run over both cpus |
| 23:06.30 | JeffM2501 | again... why? |
| 23:06.31 | JeffM2501 | it's a game |
| 23:06.43 | WonderMop | lol.. to learn //-code |
| 23:06.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:07.06 | JeffM2501 | in general bzflag isn't set up for multithreading very well |
| 23:07.13 | Pimpi | ah, yeah, must have been blind |
| 23:07.26 | JeffM2501 | Pimpi, basicly the same thing is done all over the bzfs code |
| 23:07.36 | JeffM2501 | like when bzfs wants a spawn pos, it checks for events and calls them |
| 23:07.45 | JeffM2501 | then uses the event data if some plugin set it. |
| 23:07.46 | Pimpi | yeah, expected that, just was blind |
| 23:07.49 | WonderMop | True... the threads were a mess... I useed zthreads to track all the tanks moving around and to track the shots. Each tank runs in a thread. |
| 23:08.00 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:08.16 | JeffM2501 | it all has to go thru the same GL section |
| 23:08.16 | WonderMop | Just to see if it'd work :) |
| 23:08.31 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your boat man :) |
| 23:08.37 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: because the more threads you add, the more fun it is to debug! |
| 23:08.43 | WonderMop | LOL. |
| 23:08.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:08.46 | WonderMop | true |
| 23:08.50 | WonderMop | learned a lot though :) |
| 23:09.03 | JeffM2501 | and the crapyer it runs on most systems |
| 23:09.11 | WonderMop | not really... |
| 23:09.33 | WonderMop | it's not like i am threading in Java... |
| 23:09.54 | JeffM2501 | why spend the extra cpu doing all the thread swaps on a non SMP machine? |
| 23:10.12 | JeffM2501 | and making debuging more of a pita |
| 23:10.41 | WonderMop | I thought about that too. Actually, the time loss is almost nothing. I was just learning how to do it and see what I can make the code do :) |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM2501 | how much faster did your changes make your bzflag? |
| 23:10.53 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: any clue on the api version thing? |
| 23:10.55 | WonderMop | also, if you clone a thread, you can have cloned tanks :P |
| 23:11.15 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, it's like your bzfs isn't geting the right #def for the version purple_cow |
| 23:11.18 | JeffM2501 | or the code is just wrong |
| 23:11.30 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: if you've got kernel threads, as long as you're not completely stupid about how you do it, the context switch time is negligible |
| 23:11.33 | JeffM2501 | WonderMop, how much faster was it for you on your smp thing? |
| 23:12.23 | WonderMop | JeffM2501, After making the preempt kernel, the improvement was noticable. Went from 120 fps to 150 (roughly) at gamesunited. Also, I noticed that the GL behaved better. |
| 23:13.03 | JeffM2501 | behaved better? |
| 23:13.05 | JeffM2501 | define that? |
| 23:13.56 | purple_cow | huh, bizzare |
| 23:13.58 | purple_cow | 00000000 T bz_GetVersion |
| 23:14.10 | WonderMop | Umm... Less crashes :) And also noticed that when someone makes cylinders out of polys, it behaves a tad better -- less dragging. |
| 23:14.29 | JeffM2501 | draging? |
| 23:14.38 | JeffM2501 | everything is made out of polys |
| 23:15.12 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, it's just going to call getPluginVersion to get the version |
| 23:15.19 | WonderMop | Umm... You know how a cylinder looks blurred/weird when it slows stuff down? |
| 23:15.26 | purple_cow | if we were l33t, we'd be using GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator |
| 23:15.27 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, you export bz_GetVersion? |
| 23:15.40 | JeffM2501 | WonderMop, no, it allways looks fine for me |
| 23:15.43 | JeffM2501 | GL is GL |
| 23:16.22 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yeah, looks fine... |
| 23:16.27 | WonderMop | Hmm... sometimes I noted a drag --looked odd. Happy Tanker's site does it often |
| 23:16.42 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, if it can't find the proc it will return 0 |
| 23:17.05 | JeffM2501 | WonderMop, what driver/card do you have? |
| 23:17.26 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, you may want to step thru getPluginVersion |
| 23:17.40 | WonderMop | GeForce 4, driver from gentoo's portage |
| 23:17.48 | JeffM2501 | in bzfsPlugins.cxx |
| 23:17.53 | JeffM2501 | fun fun |
| 23:18.00 | JeffM2501 | how does your code run on a non smp machien? |
| 23:18.08 | JeffM2501 | and on non linux? |
| 23:18.16 | WonderMop | Umm... It's SMP and linux. |
| 23:18.21 | WonderMop | Gentoo w/ kernel SMP |
| 23:18.23 | WonderMop | 2.6.11 |
| 23:18.27 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 23:18.36 | JeffM2501 | but how does it run on things that are NOT your system? |
| 23:18.53 | WonderMop | Bz is on my system |
| 23:18.56 | WonderMop | huh? |
| 23:18.57 | JeffM2501 | bzflag runs no more then just linux |
| 23:19.05 | WonderMop | try me again |
| 23:19.18 | JeffM2501 | it sounds like you just never tested on anything else |
| 23:19.37 | JeffM2501 | so then code can't go in |
| 23:19.41 | WonderMop | lol.. nope. home project :P |
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| 23:19.55 | WonderMop | Maybe someday |
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| 23:21.30 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I was never able to get plugins to work on linux, so I never tested them, bryjen was doing the testing for me when I did the first ones ( well then you with your first python one ) :) |
| 23:21.58 | WonderMop | have fun all :P |
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| 23:22.01 | JeffM2501 | I asumed the code in loadPlugin worked, so I just reused that in getPluginVersion |
| 23:22.14 | JeffM2501 | ahh davis |
| 23:22.18 | JeffM2501 | a farmer boy :) |
| 23:23.26 | purple_cow | ohh, blah |
| 23:24.22 | purple_cow | i didn't notice this: |
| 23:24.30 | purple_cow | Plugin:plugins/python/python.so loaded |
| 23:24.32 | purple_cow | on the next line :P |
| 23:24.37 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 23:25.01 | JeffM2501 | probably the autoloader finding an old one |
| 23:25.53 | purple_cow | where does the autoloader search? |
| 23:25.53 | *** part/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (~Blue_Eyes@62.211.152.66) |
| 23:25.53 | Grumbler | man, would you look at that row of thunderstorms.....run for the hills brlcad |
| 23:30.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): spelling and cleanup. check the bz_Load symbol first, so we get a "this doesn't look like a plugin" error, rather than a "this plugin uses an old version" error |
| 23:40.58 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow is the smart man |
| 23:41.50 | JeffM2501 | onlinux it looks in the config dir, and then std::string globalPluginDir = "$(prefix)/lib/bzflag/"; |
| 23:43.18 | purple_cow | eek, i don't think it works quite that way :) |
| 23:43.34 | JeffM2501 | dude I dono |
| 23:43.42 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:44.07 | JeffM2501 | I just copy crap you all post here and put it in the code |
| 23:44.22 | JeffM2501 | and then just make it #ifndef _WIN32 and it works for me :) |
| 23:45.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: s/extension/ext/ in loadPlugin. this compiled before because apparently 'extension' is a global variable which contains 'so' or 'dll', which isn't what we want |
| 23:45.39 | JeffM2501 | I call it "colaboration by breaking other people's crap" :) |
| 23:46.00 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:46.02 | JeffM2501 | tupone spearheaded the movment |
| 23:46.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/python.cpp: hurray, it loads |
| 23:48.27 | purple_cow | cool, it even seems to load multiple .pys just fine |
| 23:48.39 | purple_cow | probably polluting the global dict when any of them import stuff, though |
| 23:48.41 | JeffM2501 | wh00t |
| 23:54.33 | Thumper_ | ruskie: do you build your own server code from source? |