| 00:06.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 00:06.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add a message that has the client go and prefect a resource from a URL, while it's running. |
| 00:06.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: This can be used for special features like sounds that the server may call. |
| 00:06.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: TODO, make it only use URLs from the valid URL mask thingy that trepan set up |
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| 00:25.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Downloads.cxx Downloads.h playing.cxx): use the cool URL filter thing trepan set up |
| 00:25.23 | JeffM2501 | well now that should make it fun :) |
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| 02:06.23 | Grumbler | blast comes, blast goes, blast comes blast goes.... |
| 02:06.38 | blast007 | heh... |
| 02:06.46 | blast007 | connection was going wacky ;) |
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| 02:31.26 | BIYA | knock knock any devs home? |
| 02:34.47 | BIYA | guess not :( |
| 03:06.39 | brlcad | BIYA: never |
| 03:06.48 | brlcad | and always |
| 03:07.16 | BIYA | I think I found a problem with flags being inside if objects and I mean inside SOLID objects |
| 03:07.34 | BIYA | Sometimes I ask DTR but hes sleeping I guess |
| 03:10.05 | brlcad | he's not sleeping |
| 03:10.09 | brlcad | too early |
| 03:10.19 | brlcad | do you have a screenshot? |
| 03:13.48 | BIYA | umm |
| 03:14.17 | BIYA | ooops forgot to turn radar on :) Ill get one |
| 03:14.47 | brlcad | damn, and you just keep everyone on the edge of their seat?! c'mon man! |
| 03:15.06 | BIYA | sorry |
| 03:16.00 | BIYA | weird thing is if you get OO and go into the object you can drop the flag and jump INSIDE the object also get the flag thats in there to |
| 03:16.07 | BIYA | server started gimme a sec. |
| 03:16.26 | purple_cow | what project is that? |
| 03:16.33 | brlcad | or bz for that matter.. *ahem* |
| 03:16.48 | brlcad | they're paying 4500 for kids to start and finish on open source project |
| 03:16.58 | brlcad | couple hundred awards |
| 03:17.01 | purple_cow | link? |
| 03:17.03 | brlcad | http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html |
| 03:20.50 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:21.07 | purple_cow | looks like it's not just any project though? |
| 03:21.11 | BIYA | uploading the image in imageshack |
| 03:21.19 | brlcad | somehow there ought to be a clause that would eliminate you too.. though I don't see it |
| 03:22.06 | brlcad | purple_cow: nah, any project -- you are just supposed to have a sponsor/mentor |
| 03:22.51 | brlcad | so if it's python related, you pick the python foundation as your sponsor, etc |
| 03:23.28 | BIYA | Booyah DONE!! http://img37.echo.cx/img37/3231/bzfi00006of.jpg |
| 03:24.33 | BIYA | What you are looking at is me in observer mode looking at a flag While inside a Hill. |
| 03:25.00 | BIYA | The hill is not holo or intruded |
| 03:25.05 | brlcad | sure it isn't |
| 03:25.18 | BIYA | n? |
| 03:25.23 | brlcad | looks like you intruded :) |
| 03:25.23 | BIYA | ahh tomuch bz |
| 03:25.37 | BIYA | I know I did'nt I checked the hill |
| 03:25.56 | BIYA | want the obj to see for your self? |
| 03:26.01 | brlcad | not really |
| 03:26.10 | brlcad | post it to the bug tracker |
| 03:26.19 | brlcad | assign it to dtr, he'll like that |
| 03:26.19 | BIYA | sf? |
| 03:26.22 | brlcad | yep |
| 03:26.23 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:26.24 | BIYA | lol |
| 03:26.26 | BIYA | sure |
| 03:26.41 | menotume | what a tiny radar :P |
| 03:26.53 | BIYA | Its 1000 in size I zoomed in |
| 03:26.55 | brlcad | and ugly rocks |
| 03:27.17 | BIYA | Well its my way of not using trepans anymore |
| 03:27.35 | brlcad | his rocks weren't that ugly :) |
| 03:27.43 | brlcad | they were ugly too, mind you |
| 03:27.47 | brlcad | but not that ugly :) |
| 03:28.04 | BIYA | Is this sopposed to be funny? |
| 03:28.19 | brlcad | depends on your perspective, sure ;) |
| 03:28.55 | brlcad | i'm just kidding, don't take it to heart |
| 03:29.00 | BIYA | Listen I just started all this 3D stuff never stepped foot in a Geometry class I think im doing pretty good for a first timer. |
| 03:29.04 | BIYA | I did'nt |
| 03:29.15 | BIYA | Jeff has gottin to me thats all :) |
| 03:29.24 | brlcad | heh, you just did |
| 03:29.34 | brlcad | lighten up, looks fine |
| 03:29.43 | brlcad | nothing wrong with big ugly rocks :) |
| 03:30.00 | BIYA | I like to keep the polygons done to a minimal |
| 03:30.16 | BIYA | Would this be under bzfs? |
| 03:30.16 | brlcad | mission accomnplished |
| 03:30.39 | brlcad | cept those pillars are probably rather polygony |
| 03:30.58 | BIYA | pillars? |
| 03:31.26 | BIYA | Are you looking at the radar? |
| 03:32.16 | brlcad | ehm no |
| 03:32.22 | brlcad | but i can if you want me to |
| 03:32.38 | brlcad | i'm looking at the big tall yello pillars |
| 03:32.40 | BIYA | I dont know where pillars came from then |
| 03:32.56 | BIYA | The only other thing there that is polygony is my platforms |
| 03:33.35 | BIYA | DTRemenak Open BZFS Rendering Problems? |
| 03:33.46 | DTRemenak | mrph? |
| 03:33.50 | BIYA | lol |
| 03:33.59 | BIYA | Im giving you work to do |
| 03:34.07 | DTRemenak | oh joy, just what I need |
| 03:34.15 | DTRemenak | maybe I'll look at it in a couple weeks :) |
| 03:34.21 | brlcad | you woke up the Kanemer |
| 03:34.27 | BIYA | Its nice. Flags in SOLID objects |
| 03:34.46 | brlcad | don't believe it, crazy talk |
| 03:34.49 | DTRemenak | sure they're solid? |
| 03:35.06 | DTRemenak | including a closed bottom? |
| 03:35.21 | BIYA | Positive. I made a new HideNSeek map and low and behold flags inside the hills |
| 03:35.33 | BIYA | Closed everything |
| 03:35.44 | BIYA | not intruded or holo |
| 03:35.47 | DTRemenak | meh, I don't believe it then :) |
| 03:35.49 | brlcad | keep that bottom closed or you will not have solid objects |
| 03:36.10 | DTRemenak | like I said, I'll look at it in a few weeks |
| 03:36.12 | BIYA | DTR you want the OBJ or the bzw file |
| 03:36.21 | DTRemenak | attach the bzw |
| 03:36.26 | BIYA | where? |
| 03:36.31 | brlcad | told you he'd like it |
| 03:36.33 | DTRemenak | to the bug report |
| 03:36.38 | DTRemenak | and assign it to trepan |
| 03:36.41 | brlcad | hah |
| 03:36.45 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 03:36.54 | BIYA | He'll get even more mad at me |
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| 03:37.11 | BIYA | Jeffy ;) |
| 03:37.27 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 03:38.00 | BIYA | http://img37.echo.cx/img37/3231/bzfi00006of.jpg Tell me whats wrong with this |
| 03:38.30 | brlcad | the radar is too small |
| 03:38.32 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda uglyu |
| 03:39.00 | DTRemenak | just looking at the radar I can see you have no bottom on those objects |
| 03:39.01 | brlcad | no scores |
| 03:39.14 | brlcad | ugly rocks |
| 03:39.14 | DTRemenak | it would show up as a flat polygon since it's at your altitude |
| 03:39.15 | BIYA | Ill check Again..... |
| 03:39.22 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby cus the cap faces are too high |
| 03:39.26 | JeffM2501 | so they alpha out |
| 03:39.42 | brlcad | big ugly rocks |
| 03:39.47 | BIYA | :) |
| 03:40.53 | JeffM2501 | recording sounds? |
| 03:41.06 | brlcad | tee hee |
| 03:41.10 | brlcad | got a couple |
| 03:41.15 | brlcad | they sucked |
| 03:41.42 | brlcad | trying different "game voices" |
| 03:41.43 | JeffM2501 | I'm preping to do mine now |
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| 03:41.52 | BIYA | I recorded every one :) I was tired though so there is no Attitude in them |
| 03:41.53 | JeffM2501 | I may have to get drunk first |
| 03:42.00 | MeBigFatGuy | howdee |
| 03:42.20 | brlcad | if I got drunk, someone else might end up hearing it |
| 03:42.28 | BIYA | Jeff. Hill looks perfect here everything closed up. Perfect. |
| 03:42.48 | JeffM2501 | BIYA, it is because they are TOO tall |
| 03:42.49 | JeffM2501 | jump |
| 03:42.51 | brlcad | the "blades of grass" are bigger than a tank .. yes .. perfect |
| 03:42.57 | JeffM2501 | they will close on radar as you ge higher |
| 03:43.23 | BIYA | I know i've done it before you jump straight trough it and land on top |
| 03:43.42 | JeffM2501 | did you do inside and outside points? |
| 03:44.02 | BIYA | Yes.. Wanna see a screenie of the hill in the editor? |
| 03:44.18 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 03:45.04 | BIYA | The are shorter that Trepans rocks so I dont understand |
| 03:45.22 | BIYA | Tesselated, Cleaned up ,Auto smooth, the works |
| 03:46.07 | JeffM2501 | what is difrent about yours then his? |
| 03:46.52 | BIYA | Mine has more faces, shorter, longer, and umm nothing else |
| 03:47.28 | JeffM2501 | if it was nothing else, it would work woudlnt it? |
| 03:47.55 | BIYA | It should. But it isnt |
| 03:48.22 | JeffM2501 | then something must be difrent |
| 03:48.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not magic |
| 03:48.41 | JeffM2501 | it follows rules |
| 03:48.41 | BIYA | I know |
| 03:48.45 | JeffM2501 | break it down into steps |
| 03:48.48 | JeffM2501 | use common sense |
| 03:48.49 | brlcad | aww, noo! |
| 03:48.55 | BIYA | ? |
| 03:49.01 | JeffM2501 | or your mad modelz skillz |
| 03:49.12 | brlcad | it's magical to me |
| 03:49.28 | BIYA | I never said that |
| 03:49.30 | BIYA | ;) |
| 03:50.01 | JeffM2501 | well any sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic |
| 03:50.04 | BIYA | You dont have to look at them but here. http://img57.echo.cx/img57/7471/screen019id.jpg |
| 03:50.10 | brlcad | magical dust bunnies p4wn0r3d you |
| 03:50.26 | JeffM2501 | biya showing us picturs of it, isn't going to make it get better |
| 03:50.31 | JeffM2501 | debug it and fix it |
| 03:50.41 | BIYA | I dont know how!!! |
| 03:50.48 | BIYA | I've done everything that I know |
| 03:50.49 | JeffM2501 | break it down into little parts |
| 03:50.52 | JeffM2501 | start taking things out |
| 03:50.53 | brlcad | Luke, use the dust bunnies |
| 03:50.55 | JeffM2501 | see when it clears up |
| 03:51.05 | BIYA | O wait could it be texcoords? |
| 03:51.07 | JeffM2501 | make a map with just 1 |
| 03:51.13 | JeffM2501 | TRY and see |
| 03:51.30 | JeffM2501 | sometimes you have to find the answers for yourself |
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| 03:52.03 | brlcad | or be really good at annoying DTRemenak until he either fixes it or bans you |
| 03:52.33 | JeffM2501 | ban ban ban, all day long, ban ban ban I sing this song. |
| 03:52.57 | BIYA | hope im not in that song |
| 03:53.23 | JeffM2501 | if your not, I'm sure you can audition |
| 03:55.09 | BIYA | naa thats okay I dont have the talent |
| 03:55.29 | JeffM2501 | ohh I think you have a secret gift |
| 03:56.43 | BIYA | testing............ |
| 03:59.18 | DTRemenak | test failed |
| 04:00.50 | BIYA | My test never fail |
| 04:01.15 | BIYA | What am I sopposed to be looking at. I got 1 hill |
| 04:01.29 | BIYA | I used OO to go in it and boom flags right there |
| 04:02.55 | BIYA | Ill test it without texcoords. The weird thing is and it might be my problem is that one object has turned into 2 objects when I converted it |
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| 04:05.40 | apj | BIYA: flags inside? |
| 04:05.56 | apj | you need insidepoints for objects, otherwise that happens |
| 04:06.42 | apj | and someone evil told that having one insidepoint per face would be wasting of resources so they should be handled someway nicely |
| 04:07.25 | BIYA | OOOOOOOOOO |
| 04:07.46 | BIYA | One point in middle of bottom face? |
| 04:08.04 | apj | not sure if that would be enough.. |
| 04:08.55 | apj | if i'm right, it should be like "each face should be visible from atleast one insidepoint, with minimum number of insidepoints" |
| 04:09.21 | apj | but i noticed no dramatical effect in speed when i added insidepoints per every face |
| 04:09.50 | JeffM2501 | dude I asked if you had inside and ouside points |
| 04:10.33 | apj | outside points? |
| 04:10.48 | JeffM2501 | you can define innies and outies |
| 04:10.51 | JeffM2501 | more help |
| 04:11.30 | apj | ah, true |
| 04:11.39 | BIYA | I dont know what they are. My best guess when you ask me that question was the dots (Points0 cennecting each face |
| 04:12.08 | apj | they are used for checking if something is inside or not |
| 04:12.29 | apj | like, if there is a face between all insidepoints and point, point is not inside |
| 04:13.04 | BIYA | What your telling me is to add a point in the middle of every face |
| 04:13.06 | JeffM2501 | they tell bz what the inside and outside of a shape are |
| 04:13.12 | JeffM2501 | no not per face dingus |
| 04:13.15 | JeffM2501 | per object |
| 04:13.46 | BIYA | oops are we talking about vertuces? |
| 04:13.48 | apj | but is one point enough? |
| 04:13.51 | BIYA | vertices* |
| 04:14.00 | JeffM2501 | it'll be bettter then what he has now |
| 04:14.06 | JeffM2501 | his shapes are somewhat convex |
| 04:14.10 | apj | ok :) |
| 04:14.13 | JeffM2501 | so one is a good starting poing |
| 04:14.15 | BIYA | ;) |
| 04:14.22 | JeffM2501 | biya put an inside poiint in the middle of the object |
| 04:14.24 | JeffM2501 | inside it |
| 04:14.33 | BIYA | OO Now I get it |
| 04:14.37 | BIYA | umm |
| 04:14.40 | BIYA | heh |
| 04:15.44 | BIYA | unless you know a way to do that cause im stumped |
| 04:16.05 | BIYA | But I know what your talking about |
| 04:16.17 | JeffM2501 | it's a feature of the mesh |
| 04:16.20 | JeffM2501 | don't you read the docs? |
| 04:16.25 | JeffM2501 | add it in your map |
| 04:16.28 | BIYA | Yes |
| 04:18.45 | BIYA | Your telling me to add it manually in to the bzw file? |
| 04:19.09 | JeffM2501 | well that would be the MAP would it not be? |
| 04:19.19 | BIYA | :) yes it would |
| 04:19.20 | JeffM2501 | and since it IS a bzflag specific thing.... |
| 04:19.31 | JeffM2501 | and mentioned in the BZFLAG documents |
| 04:19.40 | BIYA | dorry |
| 04:19.41 | JeffM2501 | and here on this NZFLAG channel |
| 04:19.43 | BIYA | sorry |
| 04:19.55 | apj | NZFLAG? :) |
| 04:22.20 | JeffM2501 | crapy mac keyboard :) |
| 04:24.11 | BIYA | add in somthing like this? inside 0 0 0 |
| 04:25.04 | JeffM2501 | if that is inside your object |
| 04:25.25 | BIYA | can it be? |
| 04:25.49 | apj | eh.. |
| 04:25.51 | BIYA | first line of the mesh it says this. vertex 1.645833 0.116298 0.000000 |
| 04:25.53 | JeffM2501 | dude it depends on your object |
| 04:26.08 | JeffM2501 | is the poiint at 0 0 0 inisde the object? |
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| 04:26.10 | JeffM2501 | or outside? |
| 04:26.32 | BIYA | I havnt put it in there.... |
| 04:26.36 | jolie | and morning |
| 04:26.41 | JeffM2501 | conceptualy |
| 04:26.43 | JeffM2501 | in 3d space |
| 04:26.46 | JeffM2501 | comeon man, think |
| 04:26.52 | BIYA | Im trying |
| 04:27.02 | MeBigFatGuy | <but nothing happens> |
| 04:27.21 | BIYA | lol |
| 04:27.35 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:27.50 | JeffM2501 | if you can't get a simple point in 3d space in your head, the modeling it way outside your brain limits |
| 04:28.47 | BIYA | I got a point in my head in the middle inside the object |
| 04:29.07 | JeffM2501 | and the coordinates of that point are? |
| 04:29.46 | BIYA | okay first isnt it X then Y then Z? |
| 04:30.19 | BIYA | nGet some popcorn |
| 04:30.20 | JeffM2501 | good lord |
| 04:30.28 | BIYA | :) |
| 04:30.38 | JeffM2501 | if you think it's funny, it's not |
| 04:30.56 | BIYA | Okay, its not im not laughing at all |
| 04:31.04 | JeffM2501 | then you are outa your leauge |
| 04:31.13 | MeBigFatGuy | same order as your vertices |
| 04:31.56 | BIYA | Im not the brightest 9th grader if you havnt noticed |
| 04:32.01 | BIYA | umm |
| 04:32.11 | BIYA | order by which? |
| 04:32.24 | BIYA | says 17 |
| 04:32.38 | MeBigFatGuy | hmmm, should be 42 |
| 04:32.44 | MeBigFatGuy | something is wrong |
| 04:33.09 | BIYA | # vertices: 17 |
| 04:33.25 | MeBigFatGuy | sorry just funnin ya |
| 04:33.37 | BIYA | not funny |
| 04:33.45 | blast007 | ~42 |
| 04:33.46 | ibot | i heard 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 04:33.53 | JeffM2501 | dude what is the freaking coordinate |
| 04:34.08 | BIYA | to what the point? |
| 04:34.12 | JeffM2501 | the inside one |
| 04:34.26 | MeBigFatGuy | biya, imagine your shape... now pick a point inside, what is the coordinate of that point |
| 04:34.28 | BIYA | educated guess 0 0 5 or 10 |
| 04:34.39 | BIYA | 0 0 0 |
| 04:34.51 | JeffM2501 | ok then use the guess |
| 04:34.58 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have to be exact |
| 04:35.00 | JeffM2501 | just inside |
| 04:35.05 | BIYA | Thank god |
| 04:35.08 | BIYA | thats better |
| 04:35.23 | JeffM2501 | I do not think your god can help you |
| 04:35.29 | MeBigFatGuy | hehe |
| 04:35.34 | BIYA | add inside 0 0 5? |
| 04:35.45 | BIYA | I dont beleive in god (No offence to anyone here) |
| 04:35.48 | JeffM2501 | take a leap of faith and see |
| 04:35.50 | JeffM2501 | just try it |
| 04:35.52 | JeffM2501 | for once |
| 04:35.53 | BIYA | k |
| 04:36.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 04:36.48 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 04:43.11 | BIYA | Works now but theres another problem |
| 04:43.47 | BIYA | Had OO before I touched the rock I got sealed and could'nt back up |
| 04:44.03 | BIYA | but I could still drive thorugh it |
| 04:44.19 | JeffM2501 | give it some outside points too |
| 04:44.22 | BIYA | When I dropped the OO flag I could'nt touch the rock |
| 04:44.27 | BIYA | ooo |
| 04:44.39 | BIYA | nothin like the inside point? |
| 04:44.46 | BIYA | like outside 50 50 50? |
| 04:45.03 | JeffM2501 | the closer they are, the better it is |
| 04:45.41 | BIYA | How can I tell if the are not inside or does the "outside" make it stay on the outer side? |
| 04:46.47 | JeffM2501 | you make sure the point is outside |
| 04:46.52 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' move |
| 04:46.56 | JeffM2501 | you give it the point |
| 04:47.08 | JeffM2501 | you are telling bzflag "this point is outside" |
| 04:47.10 | BIYA | ooo so it could be outside 1 1 1 ? |
| 04:47.21 | BIYA | I gotcha |
| 04:47.27 | JeffM2501 | is that point outside the object? |
| 04:48.27 | BIYA | How can I find out what coridinates should it be at? |
| 04:48.32 | BIYA | cant spell that |
| 04:48.53 | JeffM2501 | you made the model |
| 04:48.59 | JeffM2501 | you know what faces are where |
| 04:49.07 | JeffM2501 | use your modeler if you have to |
| 04:49.13 | MeBigFatGuy | a simple way would be to pick the largest x, y, and z of all pts |
| 04:49.22 | MeBigFatGuy | then add 1 to one of them |
| 04:49.27 | brlcad | ~dict ordinate |
| 04:49.37 | BIYA | I understand but I still have'nt been able to size it right to the same size as bzflag. My guess is 1 unit is 1 unit in bzflag |
| 04:49.38 | JeffM2501 | best is to have more then one outside point |
| 04:49.42 | brlcad | ~dict coordinate |
| 04:49.57 | JeffM2501 | BIYA, why would it be any difrent then 1 to 1? |
| 04:50.13 | BIYA | ? |
| 04:50.32 | JeffM2501 | why would we add some sort of arbitary scaling value? |
| 04:51.11 | BIYA | I don't know. The only why I made them to scale right was to scale them so they fit in 2 boxes |
| 04:51.29 | JeffM2501 | 1 is 1 |
| 04:51.41 | JeffM2501 | a unit has no measure, so it's just a unit |
| 04:52.40 | BIYA | 1 unit height its flat :) |
| 04:52.54 | JeffM2501 | a unit is a unit is a unit |
| 04:53.17 | BIYA | okay |
| 04:53.30 | BIYA | Ill see about what the fat guy said |
| 04:53.57 | JeffM2501 | the fat guy said the same thing |
| 04:54.03 | JeffM2501 | find a point thats outside and add it |
| 04:54.14 | BIYA | err |
| 04:54.36 | JeffM2501 | the max coorner would be a point outside |
| 04:54.47 | BIYA | I understand that |
| 04:56.14 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 04:56.22 | MeBigFatGuy | ;) |
| 04:57.31 | BIYA | Yes and I finished the car |
| 04:57.41 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 04:57.56 | BIYA | Isnt I thought I would never beable to do it :) |
| 04:58.40 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
| 05:01.21 | BIYA | well 2 hours past my bedtime.... seeya sorry for the hassle Jeff :( |
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| 05:52.11 | jolie | morning tim |
| 05:52.14 | jolie | riker |
| 05:52.57 | TimRiker | yeah |
| 06:01.57 | JeffM2501 | tis late in the heart of texas |
| 06:02.18 | jolie | whos in tex? |
| 06:02.27 | JeffM2501 | teh riker |
| 06:02.36 | jolie | aah monsieur riker |
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| 06:30.57 | purple_cow | i'm getting really tired of coughing :( |
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| 10:48.14 | ep | zoom |
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| 11:02.53 | CBG | Can you not set displayRadarRange to more than 1 ? |
| 11:04.06 | Pimpinella | server var? |
| 11:04.19 | Pimpinella | or client? |
| 11:04.47 | CBG | client |
| 11:05.34 | CBG | Its where you press 1 2 or 3 to zoom in/out on the radar... |
| 11:05.44 | CBG | I want to press 4 and it to zoom out REALLy far... |
| 11:05.59 | CBG | but setting it to 1.2 loks the same as 1 |
| 11:06.14 | CBG | s/loks/looks |
| 11:06.23 | Pimpinella | more than 3? |
| 11:06.39 | Pimpinella | 3 means you can overview the whole map |
| 11:06.48 | Pimpinella | pressing 3 i mean |
| 11:06.52 | CBG | But I changed 3 |
| 11:06.55 | Pimpinella | you want even larger? |
| 11:07.02 | CBG | I made 1 2 and 3 zoom in more than normal |
| 11:07.10 | CBG | so now I want 4 to be like 1.2 |
| 11:07.17 | CBG | but it doesnt seem to work... |
| 11:07.23 | Pimpinella | 4 is already mapped |
| 11:07.29 | CBG | I changed it... |
| 11:08.32 | CBG | I had this working fine: bind 1 down "set displayRadarRange 0.3" |
| 11:08.32 | CBG | bind 2 down "set displayRadarRange 0.5" |
| 11:08.32 | CBG | bind 3 down "set displayRadarRange 0.8" |
| 11:08.32 | CBG | bind 4 down "set displayRadarRange 1" |
| 11:08.46 | CBG | But now I want: bind 1 down "set displayRadarRange 0.3" |
| 11:08.46 | CBG | bind 2 down "set displayRadarRange 0.6" |
| 11:08.46 | CBG | bind 3 down "set displayRadarRange 0.9" |
| 11:08.46 | CBG | bind 4 down "set displayRadarRange 1.2" |
| 11:08.53 | Pimpinella | no |
| 11:08.58 | CBG | but when I press 4 it looks the same as it used to |
| 11:09.01 | Pimpinella | 1.2 doesn't make sense |
| 11:09.06 | CBG | Ok. :) |
| 11:09.10 | CBG | so the max is 1 ? |
| 11:09.28 | purple_cow | if 1.2 looks the same as 1.0, don't you think that's a fair assumption to make? |
| 11:09.32 | Pimpinella | well, could be 1.2 works, but it just doesn't make sense |
| 11:09.55 | CBG | Ok. Cheers pimp :) |
| 11:09.59 | CBG | *Pimpi.. ;) |
| 11:10.03 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 11:11.32 | CBG | Also, i cant seem to bind my "§" character to anything |
| 11:12.19 | CBG | Is it because that character is only on macs or soemthing? |
| 11:37.28 | Birdie | i have like 5 zooms |
| 11:38.16 | Birdie | 0.02 0.15 0.20 0.30 050 |
| 11:38.45 | Birdie | and 1.0 |
| 11:38.54 | Pimpinella | 0.02 ? |
| 11:39.13 | Birdie | 0.02 0.15 0.30 0 |
| 11:39.15 | Birdie | arg |
| 11:39.20 | Pimpinella | you won't see much more than your own tank |
| 11:39.25 | Birdie | 0.02 0.15 0.30 0.50 1.0 |
| 11:39.28 | Birdie | thats it:) |
| 11:39.33 | Birdie | i use that to pass the flag on gu |
| 11:39.38 | Birdie | or at the tele |
| 11:39.56 | Birdie | you have to drop the flag just above a little place, is why i use such close zoom |
| 11:40.02 | Birdie | you know the passing system on gu? |
| 11:40.10 | Pimpinella | no |
| 11:40.15 | Pimpinella | whara do u pass? |
| 11:40.17 | Birdie | let me show you? |
| 11:40.19 | Pimpinella | where |
| 11:40.28 | Pimpinella | k, tankwar?` |
| 11:40.31 | Birdie | gu server, but port 5158 |
| 11:40.34 | Birdie | yep |
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| 12:13.21 | Tupone | Birdie: that is only because there is a flat pyramids in the center, if they remove, passing will not work anymore |
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| 12:34.19 | wizart | uhm 1.2 makes sense. If you drive into a corner you can't see what's going on in the other with 1. in theorie you would need 1.44 to see it all all the time. But 1.2 works fine in matches. |
| 12:35.10 | macwilly | salut |
| 12:35.46 | wizart | hmm. |
| 12:36.03 | wizart | The radarRange > 1 seams to have changed from version 1.10 to 2 |
| 12:36.53 | macwilly | hello |
| 12:37.24 | Tupone | hi |
| 12:37.36 | macwilly | ohoh |
| 12:37.42 | macwilly | hi |
| 12:37.53 | macwilly | are you a french or a girl |
| 12:38.10 | macwilly | or a english sory |
| 12:38.19 | Tupone | not that kind of channel |
| 12:38.37 | macwilly | do you speak french ? |
| 12:38.54 | Tupone | italian :) |
| 12:39.27 | macwilly | where do you live ? |
| 12:39.47 | Tupone | at home |
| 12:40.01 | macwilly | land please |
| 12:40.08 | Tupone | this is a channel for bzflag development |
| 12:40.30 | Tupone | have you some kind of problem with bzflag ? |
| 12:40.42 | macwilly | what is your land ? |
| 12:40.43 | Tupone | or do you want to propose something? |
| 12:40.54 | macwilly | no |
| 12:41.00 | Tupone | my land is the world |
| 12:41.03 | macwilly | i can't play to it |
| 12:41.13 | Tupone | why ? |
| 12:41.18 | macwilly | sorry i speak not gout english |
| 12:41.36 | macwilly | i don't know |
| 12:41.42 | Tupone | write in french, I think jolie and some other can handle |
| 12:41.51 | macwilly | ok |
| 12:41.56 | macwilly | jolie est là ? |
| 12:42.09 | macwilly | salut |
| 12:42.23 | macwilly | quelq'un parle francais |
| 12:43.08 | Tupone | talk about your problem in french, just use simple words |
| 12:43.51 | macwilly | g telecharger mais qand je veu ouvrire sa marche pas |
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| 12:45.15 | Tupone | what does it says ? |
| 12:45.36 | macwilly | stay one min please |
| 12:45.41 | menotume | babelfish says: G telecharger but qand I veu ouvrire his walk Pa |
| 12:45.42 | menotume | lol |
| 12:46.22 | Tupone | I downloaded but when I open it, it does not start :) my guess |
| 12:46.24 | macwilly | when i have "charge" bzflag it don't run :'( |
| 12:46.51 | Tupone | windows ? |
| 12:46.55 | macwilly | merci menotume |
| 12:47.01 | macwilly | yes |
| 12:47.09 | macwilly | go in private |
| 12:47.17 | macwilly | wis me please |
| 12:47.18 | Tupone | nope |
| 12:47.26 | Tupone | at work .. cannot help much sorry |
| 12:47.36 | macwilly | nope what that ? |
| 12:48.23 | Tupone | nope -> no ... jamais ... |
| 12:48.39 | macwilly | quelqu'un parle francais |
| 12:48.43 | macwilly | why ? |
| 12:49.04 | macwilly | plaese |
| 12:49.08 | macwilly | snif |
| 12:50.01 | macwilly | what do you do , |
| 12:50.44 | macwilly | what is your age ? |
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| 12:51.01 | Tupone | jolie: :) |
| 12:51.05 | menotume | jolie ! <3 |
| 12:51.08 | macwilly | salut jolie |
| 12:51.12 | jolie | awww |
| 12:51.18 | jolie | tupito mio! <3 |
| 12:51.19 | macwilly | comment tu fé le coeur |
| 12:51.23 | jolie | meno meno <3<3 |
| 12:51.29 | jolie | bonjour le frenchie |
| 12:51.50 | macwilly | bonjour |
| 12:51.55 | jolie | meno you are not in my chan! |
| 12:52.01 | macwilly | chan ? |
| 12:52.06 | Tupone | neither I :) |
| 12:52.06 | macwilly | c qoi , |
| 12:52.12 | jolie | yeah tupito |
| 12:52.14 | jolie | join |
| 12:52.19 | jolie | chan, channel |
| 12:52.24 | jolie | le canal |
| 12:52.26 | macwilly | ok |
| 12:52.36 | macwilly | tu est francai ou englais ? |
| 12:52.45 | jolie | spanish actually |
| 12:52.46 | jolie | :D |
| 12:52.51 | macwilly | lol |
| 12:52.59 | macwilly | age ? |
| 12:53.16 | jolie | OLD |
| 12:53.28 | menotume | 52 |
| 12:53.33 | macwilly | not funny |
| 12:53.34 | macwilly | :) |
| 12:53.35 | menotume | ooops, wrong window :P |
| 12:53.39 | macwilly | no |
| 12:54.01 | macwilly | !!! |
| 12:54.02 | jolie | i lost my ops :( |
| 12:54.03 | guu | macwilly: I'm sorry, I was listening to Fatboy Slim. |
| 12:54.43 | macwilly | ????? |
| 12:54.57 | jolie | le frenchie is le confuse! |
| 12:55.12 | macwilly | haha |
| 12:55.41 | macwilly | c qoi join #hug-bunny |
| 12:55.50 | macwilly | jolie ? |
| 12:55.52 | jolie | oui |
| 12:55.55 | macwilly | join #hug-bunny |
| 12:55.56 | jolie | what? |
| 12:56.03 | jolie | if you like |
| 12:56.04 | jolie | join it |
| 12:56.05 | macwilly | c qoi ? |
| 12:56.11 | macwilly | comment ? |
| 12:56.14 | macwilly | how ? |
| 12:56.22 | menotume | don't do it macwilly, it's a trick ! |
| 12:56.28 | jolie | tipe... /j #hug-bunny |
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| 12:56.32 | macwilly | trick ? |
| 12:56.43 | menotume | joke |
| 12:56.44 | jolie | no trick |
| 12:56.45 | macwilly | #hug-bunny |
| 12:56.47 | jolie | no joke |
| 12:56.49 | jolie | bah |
| 12:56.52 | jolie | meno meno... |
| 12:57.00 | macwilly | comment on fait alors ? pour join |
| 12:57.15 | menotume | type: /join #bug-bunny |
| 12:57.33 | macwilly | ok |
| 12:57.55 | macwilly | voila |
| 12:58.06 | jolie | nope |
| 12:58.35 | macwilly | de qoi nope |
| 12:59.19 | macwilly | ? |
| 12:59.46 | menotume | ooops |
| 12:59.54 | menotume | type: /join #hug-bunny |
| 13:00.07 | Birdie | bug bunny lol |
| 13:00.10 | jolie | dammit i didnt see that |
| 13:00.12 | Tupone | cannot do that |
| 13:00.15 | menotume | me neither |
| 13:00.19 | Tupone | it is web chat |
| 13:00.31 | Tupone | only bzflag and some other room |
| 13:00.33 | jolie | uhm.. |
| 13:00.36 | menotume | ahhh |
| 13:00.39 | jolie | ah! |
| 13:00.41 | jolie | sucks |
| 13:00.44 | Birdie | well actually you have luck |
| 13:00.54 | Birdie | he wont do annoying in your channel:) |
| 13:01.52 | Tupone | Birdie, can you help him fixing his bzflag problem, if any? |
| 13:02.25 | Birdie | i dunno, he said yesterday he installed it, i said open it by double clicking on it and he left |
| 13:02.39 | Birdie | i explained him in detail how to join a server |
| 13:02.49 | macwilly | what is nevermind in french ? |
| 13:02.50 | jolie | lol* still on that? |
| 13:03.53 | *** part/#bzflag macwilly (~53c3897a@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 13:04.19 | Birdie | i doubt he is old |
| 13:06.13 | Tupone | I think is very very young |
| 13:06.28 | jolie | who? |
| 13:06.53 | Tupone | you :) |
| 13:07.05 | Tupone | referring to macwilly |
| 13:07.19 | Birdie | ola tupone giving compliments, saying jolie is still young:) |
| 13:07.56 | jolie | he!!! |
| 13:07.59 | jolie | im not a he >_< |
| 13:08.08 | _Manu_ | :) |
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| 13:10.52 | macwilly | lol |
| 13:11.26 | macwilly | are there a french in this web site |
| 13:11.54 | macwilly | ?????? |
| 13:11.59 | _Manu_ | you? |
| 13:12.34 | macwilly | yes |
| 13:12.38 | jolie | hah |
| 13:12.40 | _Manu_ | then there is one |
| 13:13.03 | Birdie | tu as déjà demandé ca, ici c"est une place de parler du jeu bzflag, quand tu as des problèmes tu peux aller ici, mais chaque jour de mondes lises tous quil a dit, donc demander pas chaque 10 minutes la mëme sil vous plait |
| 13:13.22 | macwilly | ok |
| 13:13.39 | _Manu_ | wow Birdie ;) |
| 13:13.45 | Birdie | :) |
| 13:13.55 | Birdie | its not even my foreign language |
| 13:13.59 | macwilly | :'( |
| 13:14.01 | Birdie | i had to type 10 minutes to typ all this though:) |
| 13:14.10 | macwilly | lol |
| 13:14.22 | macwilly | tu habite dans quelle pays ? |
| 13:14.46 | Birdie | la belgique |
| 13:15.03 | macwilly | ok |
| 13:15.22 | macwilly | tu parle courament francais alor |
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| 13:22.09 | bz8426 | hi |
| 13:22.37 | learner | hi |
| 13:22.37 | bz8426 | hi guys |
| 13:22.41 | bz8426 | who are you? |
| 13:22.51 | bz8426 | wait |
| 13:23.03 | bz8426 | hey |
| 13:23.06 | menotume | guess who |
| 13:23.12 | bz8426 | why are you not on the list? |
| 13:23.24 | menotume | look at the top |
| 13:23.31 | bz8426 | aha |
| 13:23.31 | bz8426 | k |
| 13:24.24 | bz8426 | bi |
| 13:25.00 | menotume | heh, i got a PM: <bz8426> be quiet |
| 13:25.00 | menotume | <bz8426> everyone knows i am yugi |
| 13:25.00 | menotume | <bz8426> so |
| 13:25.00 | menotume | <bz8426> stop telling that to everybody |
| 13:25.23 | Birdie | rofl |
| 13:25.29 | menotume | i feel so .... special :P |
| 13:25.49 | Birdie | mostly he opens pm's with me..i'm glad he picked you this time |
| 13:25.57 | menotume | :) |
| 13:26.18 | menotume | he has 3 ip ranges, i can provide them if you like :) |
| 13:26.33 | Birdie | 62.55 69.119 217.93 |
| 13:26.39 | menotume | yep |
| 13:26.45 | Birdie | banned them so much i dont even have to look anymore |
| 13:26.47 | menotume | errr, no |
| 13:26.52 | Birdie | no? |
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| 13:26.53 | menotume | 62.155 |
| 13:26.57 | Birdie | oh ops |
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| 14:25.19 | brlcad | oh the fun I miss sometimes |
| 14:29.03 | *** part/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 14:30.48 | BearPerson | There is one reason auto-translation is bad |
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| 14:39.20 | Grumbler | ...whoa, that cvs took a bit of time |
| 14:49.34 | *** topic/#bzflag by Grumbler -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || MAL=2 |
| 14:49.58 | brlcad | ~translate es en mal |
| 14:50.25 | Grumbler | didnt use it that way |
| 14:50.51 | Grumbler | ...unless someone has changed the definition on me |
| 14:51.01 | Grumbler | which i suppose is possible |
| 14:51.24 | Grumbler | ...lets avoid the confusion |
| 14:51.50 | *** topic/#bzflag by Grumbler -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || "Killing Spree" |
| 14:52.45 | Grumbler | ultra grass often beer row dresser thong |
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| 15:02.37 | Grumbler | pull! |
| 15:03.14 | Birdie | hide |
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| 15:37.48 | ToughShooter | Something strange happened to me: I joined an emtpy server and hit u by accident. I wasn't able to spawn after that, even leaving and reconnecting (without quitting bzflag CVS build of yesterday) hadn't helped. Can someone confirm it? |
| 15:43.08 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 15:43.43 | BearPerson | or would... if the thing wouldn't segv on me... :/ |
| 15:44.45 | *** join/#bzflag ShadowPho (ShadowPho@adsl-68-72-114-125.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 15:44.49 | ShadowPho | hello :( |
| 15:45.02 | CBG | hi |
| 15:45.03 | Birdie | whats the problem? |
| 15:45.16 | ShadowPho | everybody keeps killing me |
| 15:45.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): make it actualy RUN |
| 15:45.46 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, I can't spawn after pressing 'u' either... pressing 'u' again fixes it though |
| 15:46.36 | CBG | ShadowPho: The trick is to cheat. |
| 15:46.52 | ShadowPho | .......artmoney :P ? |
| 15:47.03 | blast007 | ;) |
| 15:47.24 | Birdie | ~pw cbg |
| 15:47.26 | ibot | ACTION Patches are always welcome, cbg |
| 15:47.28 | Birdie | :) |
| 15:47.40 | ShadowPho | no artmoney ofr Linux :( |
| 15:47.42 | ShadowPho | *for |
| 15:47.50 | CBG | Now, whatcha gotta do, is download blast007's personaly copy of bz... |
| 15:48.05 | blast007 | hmm? |
| 15:48.15 | blast007 | and what would that be? |
| 15:48.17 | CBG | Press UP DOWN X DOWN RIGHT X DOWN CIRCLE |
| 15:48.27 | CBG | and you are invincible |
| 15:48.31 | ShadowPho | where to get it? |
| 15:48.38 | CBG | nask blast007. |
| 15:48.59 | BearPerson | ~n |
| 15:49.01 | ibot | n is, like, the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 15:49.48 | CBG | grr |
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| 15:50.31 | BearPerson | fun |
| 15:50.33 | CBG | Ooops. I scared him/her/it off :( |
| 15:54.13 | jolie | tja.. passiert |
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| 16:50.39 | brlcad | ToughShooter: u is for hunt I believe, if you hit it again, it should have turned off the hunt highlight selection |
| 16:51.02 | brlcad | that is "poor design", so feel free to report a feature request change |
| 16:52.54 | jolie | hm.. |
| 16:57.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 16:57.47 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 17:16.30 | Birdie | normally you cant spawn if you pressed u(hunt) only once, you have to confirm who you hunted |
| 17:18.06 | BearPerson | right... without other people you just can't see the hunt indicator |
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| 17:22.14 | ToughShooter | Pressing enter gives hunt confirmation sound over and over :/ |
| 17:22.26 | Birdie | only pressed one time? |
| 17:22.33 | BearPerson | ToughShooter, press "u" again |
| 17:23.00 | ToughShooter | One time without stopping pressing or pressing button over and over |
| 17:23.14 | ToughShooter | Yeah, I got it. Just find it strange |
| 17:24.16 | ToughShooter | There's also a built in cheat - press q for a while |
| 17:24.46 | ToughShooter | it turns radar off and on so fast that whole client stops reacting for that time |
| 17:25.20 | ToughShooter | So no one can shoot you easily in air when you fall down with a pressed q |
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| 17:27.11 | BearPerson | instant pause-in-the-air |
| 17:27.33 | jolie | and a 360° matrix turn! |
| 17:28.24 | Birdie | some other bugs who are really annoying: |
| 17:28.34 | jolie | we meet again mr tankDerson |
| 17:28.37 | Birdie | i get kicked while paused with highspeed flag for moving to fast |
| 17:28.45 | BearPerson | erm? |
| 17:28.54 | BearPerson | paused? moving? |
| 17:28.54 | Birdie | taking with thief a high speed flag, in air, will get you kicked to |
| 17:28.59 | Birdie | yes.. |
| 17:29.02 | Birdie | is why i call it a bug:) |
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| 17:31.20 | bryjen | the anti-cheat things are problematic because they are hacked around the server's lack of state tracking |
| 17:31.58 | BearPerson | I'd like to see kills be calculated by the server and not the clients |
| 17:32.09 | BearPerson | then people with a lag would have the problems and not everyone else |
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| 17:45.46 | bryjen | bah. the speed check is just suspended for 2 seconds after a flag drop. "Maybe if we wait a moment, things will just magically sort themself out" :( |
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| 17:59.07 | Tupone | prolly, after 2 seconds, the server and the client get synchronized |
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| 18:18.25 | Pimpinella | bryjen: attempts to use state tracking instead of what they are now kicked much more players than what we have now |
| 18:18.45 | Pimpinella | innocantly |
| 18:18.49 | Pimpinella | innocently |
| 18:19.02 | Chestal | the problem is that the cheat checks do a lot of guesswork |
| 18:19.15 | Chestal | I do not really trust them |
| 18:20.43 | Pimpinella | actually they freed viper from cheaters almost instantly |
| 18:22.07 | Pimpinella | and the number of cheaters we could discover that way was amazing |
| 18:29.50 | bryjen | i did a patch a while back that used FlagHistory to know what the previous flag was instead of waiting 2 second. it worked flawlessly on my server |
| 18:30.41 | bryjen | but it was for 1.7. The flag stuff changed in 2.0 and I didn't understand it enough to bring the patch forward |
| 18:33.28 | bryjen | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=833236&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 18:38.28 | Tupone | I'd command all flag changes from the server and get an ack back from client, so I know if I'm in a transient. But that is a protocol changes |
| 18:39.52 | _Manu_ | actually the client manage too much things :( |
| 18:41.22 | _Manu_ | very easy to the cheaters implement their cheats |
| 18:43.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/vocaliser/ (5 files): untested "sound player" plugin for team and general sounds |
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| 19:37.49 | solemnwarning | why does bzflag have so many cheats?????????? |
| 19:38.15 | apj | because it is opensource |
| 19:38.22 | solemnwarning | ... |
| 19:38.34 | apj | anyone can get and modify the source, it is difficult to prevent cheats |
| 19:38.51 | solemnwarning | maybe add code to server to pprevent cheat? |
| 19:39.04 | apj | there is |
| 19:39.05 | DTRemenak | it's an issue of design...it was originally designed for trusted lan environments |
| 19:39.06 | apj | a lot |
| 19:39.18 | apj | but it is not just that easy.. old codebase and stuff |
| 19:39.23 | solemnwarning | so why can the client alter what happens? |
| 19:39.25 | DTRemenak | the architecture's all wrong for the untrusted internet |
| 19:39.42 | DTRemenak | too much dependence on the client side |
| 19:39.54 | BearPerson | Basically the server is a hib |
| 19:39.58 | BearPerson | hub I mean |
| 19:40.08 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 19:40.12 | DTRemenak | the server keeps track of just about nothing |
| 19:40.13 | apj | on the other hand, it is nice for the server keeper |
| 19:40.13 | BearPerson | it relays stuff from single clients to everyone... clients act on it |
| 19:40.23 | solemnwarning | maybe in bzflag 3 it should all be server controlled |
| 19:40.27 | BearPerson | maybe |
| 19:40.31 | solemnwarning | like ssh |
| 19:40.32 | DTRemenak | patches welcome |
| 19:40.41 | solemnwarning | what language it coded in? |
| 19:40.43 | BearPerson | maybe for bzflag 3 we need about 4 times as many developers ;-) |
| 19:40.45 | BearPerson | C++ |
| 19:40.46 | Thumper_ | :) there's a 'little' project |
| 19:40.53 | solemnwarning | dunno C\C++ |
| 19:40.58 | solemnwarning | only some sh,perl |
| 19:41.16 | apj | 1.7 -> 2.0 took.. 4 years? 2.0 -> 3.0.. 12 years? |
| 19:41.48 | BearPerson | at least by then we'll have servers capable of handling the load of managing the entire game easily |
| 19:42.02 | Thumper_ | servers yes...bandwidth...maybe |
| 19:42.49 | DTRemenak | 1.0 -> 2.0 took about 12 years, yeah |
| 19:43.05 | DTRemenak | Jan 93 to Jan 05 |
| 19:44.16 | solemnwarning | what kinda upstreams do bzflag servers take? |
| 19:44.41 | apj | 5Kbyte/s/player |
| 19:44.50 | DTRemenak | 5 kbytes per player-second is typical of a 10-shot |
| 19:44.52 | solemnwarning | 5k per player? |
| 19:44.59 | solemnwarning | i thought it would be bigger then that |
| 19:45.12 | solemnwarning | my lines supposed to max out at 300k |
| 19:45.18 | solemnwarning | never tested though |
| 19:45.24 | DTRemenak | 300kbits, not kbytes |
| 19:45.27 | solemnwarning | and i have 2 servers :) |
| 19:45.32 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 19:45.41 | DTRemenak | 37.5 kbytes |
| 19:45.41 | solemnwarning | how many players is that? |
| 19:45.47 | DTRemenak | ~300/40 |
| 19:45.48 | ibot | 7.5 |
| 19:45.55 | DTRemenak | that many players |
| 19:46.01 | solemnwarning | 7? |
| 19:46.05 | apj | yup |
| 19:46.14 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 19:46.37 | solemnwarning | next time ntl upgrades lines ill check up |
| 19:46.47 | solemnwarning | they upgrade every 6 months |
| 19:48.31 | solemnwarning | how powerful do servers need to be? |
| 19:48.35 | solemnwarning | my mail server is: |
| 19:48.43 | solemnwarning | P3 @ 450MHz |
| 19:48.47 | solemnwarning | 128MB Ram |
| 19:48.51 | solemnwarning | web server is: |
| 19:48.56 | DTRemenak | if you are not using the word filter, a toaster is powerful enough |
| 19:49.06 | solemnwarning | Athlon 1800XP @ 1.8GHz |
| 19:49.11 | solemnwarning | 512MB ram |
| 19:49.20 | solemnwarning | so my web server should take it :) |
| 19:49.38 | solemnwarning | not actually :( |
| 19:49.47 | solemnwarning | no x server on the servers |
| 19:49.48 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 19:50.28 | DTRemenak | if you are using the word filter, then you need a bit of processing power...maybe 300/400mhz on IA32 archs |
| 19:50.50 | bryjen | ~lart apj for suggesting open source makes for easy cheating |
| 19:50.54 | DTRemenak | more if you're running windows (don't) |
| 19:50.59 | solemnwarning | it dont matter |
| 19:51.11 | solemnwarning | i dont have x servers running on my servers |
| 19:51.17 | solemnwarning | so i cant run bzflag |
| 19:51.17 | DTRemenak | so? |
| 19:51.20 | bryjen | hmm |
| 19:51.27 | DTRemenak | won't stop you from running bzfs |
| 19:51.35 | solemnwarning | eerm? |
| 19:51.43 | solemnwarning | bzflag has a file system???? |
| 19:51.48 | bryjen | ~lart apj for suggesting open source makes it easy to cheat |
| 19:52.01 | DTRemenak | ~bzfs |
| 19:52.02 | ibot | [bzfs] the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 19:52.10 | bryjen | BZFS = BZFlag Server |
| 19:52.35 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 19:52.39 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 19:52.48 | solemnwarning | im sticking with ext3 though :P |
| 19:53.11 | solemnwarning | ill let ya know when i get more upstream |
| 19:53.19 | solemnwarning | i might be switching isps soon |
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| 20:16.50 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, did you ever set up svn? |
| 20:26.41 | brlcad | or just don't use the biig long word filter -- the shorter one should use less than a 20th the processing time |
| 20:28.30 | Tupone | brlcad: do we have a rule like 1 class -> 1 file |
| 20:29.08 | brlcad | not strictly, but it's generally not a bad design |
| 20:29.30 | brlcad | i'd personally prefer it most of the time unless they are tiny "helper" classes |
| 20:29.49 | DTRemenak | "Ideally, there should be one class per file. There are, of course,exceptions to this such as simple utility classes that are local to that same file's implementation." --thus saith DEVINFO |
| 20:29.50 | Tupone | I too, cause I can find easy where a class is defined |
| 20:30.44 | Tupone | that is even if a class inherit from another. A different file I guess |
| 20:31.10 | DTRemenak | I'd say so. see e.g. HUDui* |
| 20:31.19 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:31.36 | brlcad | definitely |
| 20:32.07 | Tupone | just wondering, Some one need then to split cURLMAnager :) someone that can test |
| 20:32.32 | DTRemenak | you can always just split it anyway and let the person who tests fix it :) |
| 20:33.15 | JeffM2501 | I broke that rule like yesterday :) |
| 20:33.30 | Tupone | noted |
| 20:33.45 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, did I do that thing the right way? using cURLManager? |
| 20:35.28 | Tupone | I just look from the commit e-mail. you need to call addHandle to start transfer |
| 20:36.08 | JeffM2501 | I do? |
| 20:36.11 | Tupone | and not call perform by yourself |
| 20:36.16 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 20:36.24 | Tupone | perform is called in the mainloop |
| 20:36.37 | Tupone | and it is used to get piece by piece |
| 20:36.46 | JeffM2501 | I want to use the defaults for all things |
| 20:36.51 | JeffM2501 | except finalise |
| 20:37.10 | Birdie | jeff: any luck in finding voices? |
| 20:37.31 | Tupone | yeah ... do not call perform, if you do not block code in some place. It will be called any rendering loop, or in bzfs, any cycle |
| 20:37.55 | JeffM2501 | how do I tell it to start a job? |
| 20:37.57 | Tupone | so you can play and download, both |
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| 20:38.00 | Tupone | addHandle |
| 20:38.14 | JeffM2501 | so I can replace perform with addhandle? |
| 20:38.24 | Tupone | yeahm if that was the meaning |
| 20:38.37 | JeffM2501 | I just want to tell it to "start" |
| 20:38.41 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:38.42 | JeffM2501 | on one of em |
| 20:38.44 | Tupone | adHandle |
| 20:39.05 | Tupone | if you want to download 2 file you need 2 object |
| 20:39.17 | JeffM2501 | just one at a time |
| 20:39.20 | JeffM2501 | figure that is enough |
| 20:39.23 | Tupone | ok |
| 20:39.26 | JeffM2501 | it will start the next when one is done |
| 20:40.06 | Tupone | I changed the texture d/l to do all together |
| 20:41.19 | JeffM2501 | these are not imporant |
| 20:41.24 | JeffM2501 | and not 100% required |
| 20:41.28 | JeffM2501 | so they can come in at any time. |
| 20:41.42 | Tupone | ok |
| 20:44.21 | Tupone | I know some usage note on cURLManager help ... Haven't written :( |
| 20:45.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: call the method the man says we should call to start a job |
| 20:46.26 | JeffM2501 | figured it was better to do one at a time |
| 20:46.52 | Tupone | yeah, looking at the code, now your parking request inside the object |
| 20:47.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:52.19 | Tupone | DTRemenak: when is a dll loaded? I mean ... if I, run-time, decide to not call SDL the dll is still needed, and bzflag will crash when SDL.dll is not present ? |
| 20:52.53 | DTRemenak | Tupone: there are two ways to load a dll |
| 20:53.13 | Tupone | ahh, I don't know what way SDL uses :( |
| 20:53.26 | DTRemenak | one is using its lib, like we do with SDL now...the other is loading it dynamically |
| 20:53.38 | DTRemenak | for an example of the latter, see Jeff's api code |
| 20:53.51 | Tupone | yeah, understand, like .so library |
| 20:54.36 | Tupone | using lib, means SDL.dll is loaded at load time? |
| 20:54.40 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 20:54.58 | Tupone | not at the first invocation of an SDL method :( |
| 20:54.59 | DTRemenak | it is part of the dependency tree so it gets loaded automatically |
| 20:55.10 | DTRemenak | yeah. otherwise you have to do a delayed dynamic load |
| 20:55.24 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:56.00 | Tupone | do you mind if I ask you to test my build ... SDL + native |
| 20:56.13 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 20:56.30 | DTRemenak | although everything we have now runs on wine, so you should be able to test |
| 20:58.30 | Tupone | http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag.exe.gz.1 |
| 20:59.03 | Tupone | I want to know the performance too |
| 21:00.22 | Tupone | you need to get an SDL.dll too, even if not used |
| 21:03.42 | DTRemenak | works here. about normal fps. |
| 21:04.15 | DTRemenak | which is surprising in a good way |
| 21:04.18 | Tupone | thanks, so generation is good, all builds from source curl, c-ares, sdl, bzflag (from linux) |
| 21:04.36 | Tupone | got also directx headers from SDL site |
| 21:05.19 | DTRemenak | as default it's using native windowing? |
| 21:05.29 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:05.53 | Tupone | I have to put a menu for changing that , but later :) |
| 21:06.26 | DTRemenak | ok. so less surprising but still good. in my tests my mingw builds were ~10% slower than msvc even with both using native. |
| 21:07.19 | DTRemenak | maybe newer gcc fixes :) |
| 21:07.29 | Tupone | is a gcc-3.4 |
| 21:07.40 | DTRemenak | my tests were 3.2.1 or so |
| 21:08.56 | Tupone | except for testing ... compilation on linux is mre smooth. I used to compile mingw on win98 :( |
| 21:09.21 | DTRemenak | heh, yes...mingw on windows is slowwww compared to gcc on linux |
| 21:09.31 | DTRemenak | process spawning takes forever and make does a lot of it |
| 21:09.45 | Tupone | I dunno if a mingw64 is coming out |
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| 21:14.56 | Tupone | sure you run mine (bzflag) ? |
| 21:15.47 | Tupone | I have -O0 so I don't know ... should be slower |
| 21:16.59 | DTRemenak | yes, I'm sure |
| 21:17.14 | Tupone | ok |
| 21:17.18 | DTRemenak | it says "mingw32msvc" which is crazy. where'd the "msvc" part come from? |
| 21:17.44 | Tupone | that is from the ebuild xmingw |
| 21:17.51 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:18.03 | Tupone | i386-mingw32msvc-g++ << this is the compiler |
| 21:56.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/README.XMINGW: SDL locally compiled, and new libcurl version |
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| 22:49.15 | jolie | *whooooooooooooooosh* |
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| 23:29.45 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, played katamari damashi for the first time this weekend |
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| 23:31.02 | bytemenow | what ports to open for FW ? |
| 23:31.18 | JeffM2501 | fw? |
| 23:31.25 | bytemenow | firewall sorry |
| 23:31.33 | JeffM2501 | to host or to play? |
| 23:31.39 | bytemenow | play |
| 23:31.53 | JeffM2501 | should not need to open any incoming ports to play |
| 23:32.00 | bytemenow | ok |
| 23:32.18 | JeffM2501 | outgoing it would be 80, and what ever port your server is on, if you block outgoing at all. |
| 23:33.03 | bytemenow | ok just trying to figure out a few things that may be causing my lag |
| 23:34.01 | bytemenow | thanks |
| 23:34.07 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: :) |
| 23:34.32 | bytemenow | the games bada$$ |
| 23:36.17 | JeffM2501 | it was fun |
| 23:36.27 | JeffM2501 | gabe me a bit of headake |
| 23:40.06 | JeffM2501 | port blocks should not cause lag at all |
| 23:40.13 | JeffM2501 | it woudl cause you to not connect |
| 23:40.20 | JeffM2501 | what is your framerate like? |
| 23:40.26 | JeffM2501 | or he could have left :) |
| 23:40.49 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I read that in KD#2 they will get you do coop, where 2 people roll the same ball |
| 23:41.00 | JeffM2501 | and making the moon was a PITA |
| 23:41.08 | JeffM2501 | I got godzilla in it :) |
| 23:41.23 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:43.00 | JeffM2501 | 300m is huge |
| 23:43.29 | JeffM2501 | did you ever play with seting up svn? |
| 23:43.56 | purple_cow | not yet |
| 23:44.04 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:44.44 | purple_cow | i've been busy with work and trying to get this new wasabi-type machine to boot |
| 23:44.56 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 23:45.03 | JeffM2501 | how goes the new wasabi2? |
| 23:46.32 | purple_cow | well, the machine's assembled. having some trouble getting linux install CDs to run without hanging |
| 23:46.50 | purple_cow | got a small pile of USB HD enclosures today, tomorrow i should get a small pile of HDs |
| 23:47.16 | JeffM2501 | pile? |
| 23:47.21 | JeffM2501 | how big is this to be? |
| 23:47.53 | JeffM2501 | bz can bind a /command to a key right? |
| 23:48.22 | purple_cow | 4 |
| 23:48.34 | JeffM2501 | that's a goodly number of drives |
| 23:49.04 | purple_cow | yep |
| 23:53.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/vocaliser/vocaliser.cpp: add in a min wait time between playing sounds. |
