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`00:06.51`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: Perhaps you could make this sticky? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3940`
`00:08.53`	`JeffM2501`	`post the instructions in the post, then I will sticky it`
`00:09.16`	`JeffM2501`	`so that the post is a bit more then just a link`
`00:09.22`	`CBG`	`The instructions are not short...`
`00:10.03`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`00:10.08`	`JeffM2501`	`make the instructions be in a new post`
`00:10.13`	`JeffM2501`	`and the link at the top`
`00:10.16`	`CBG`	`I will try to beef out my post a bit...`
`00:10.21`	`JeffM2501`	`some may want to read before they download`
`00:10.40`	`CBG`	`ok`
`00:11.02`	`orchid`	`CBG: long, verbose instructions are very useful for people with no clue what they are doing, trust me I have aprecited long winded explinations many times`
`00:11.28`	`JeffM2501`	`and if you post the instructions, and people have the files allready, they don't need to use your DMG`
`00:11.32`	`CBG`	`orchid: But its not good to post so much stuff in the forum... when I linked to it anyway`
`00:11.39`	`CBG`	`True. :)`
`00:11.49`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, what makes you say it's not good to post so much stuff?`
`00:12.01`	`orchid`	`CBG: thats what forums are for`
`00:12.33`	`CBG`	`Well, its already in the DMG`
`00:12.38`	`CBG`	`and its a lot to read.`
`00:13.03`	`JeffM2501`	`so`
`00:13.06`	`menotume`	`and if kaziaz is down, or slow ....., and ....`
`00:13.11`	`CBG`	`down?`
`00:13.23`	`CBG`	`doesnt seem so..`
`00:13.25`	`JeffM2501`	`if they don't want to read it there, why will they read it when they download it?`
`00:13.32`	`CBG`	`ok ok... :(`
`00:13.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean are we talking a 500 page novel?`
`00:14.06`	`JeffM2501`	`does your guide have a table of contnts and a bibliography?`
`00:14.07`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
`00:14.22`	`JeffM2501`	`will it soon be a major motion picture?`
`00:14.25`	`menotume`	`I might be inrterested in reading it, but i wouldn't have a cluse what to do with a DMG file`
`00:14.34`	`JeffM2501`	`exactly`
`00:14.43`	`JeffM2501`	`the info may be usefull for non mac people`
`00:14.44`	`CBG`	`Of course it wil soon be a motion picture. :)`
`00:14.54`	`menotume`	`can I be an extra ?`
`00:14.55`	`JeffM2501`	`and what's up with all things as DMG on the mac`
`00:15.06`	`JeffM2501`	`the OS comes with stuffit, tarballs arn't good enough?`
`00:15.12`	`CBG`	`i made it dmg cause i didnt know how to make it a tar`
`00:15.23`	`CBG`	`and I found disk utility before stuffit`
`00:15.25`	`JeffM2501`	`well learn :)`
`00:15.30`	`CBG`	`I have now`
`00:15.38`	`JeffM2501`	`I was just wondering in geneal`
`00:15.48`	`JeffM2501`	`it seems EVERYHING distroed for the mac is a DMG`
`00:16.10`	`CBG`	`true`
`00:17.17`	`CBG`	`Ok, done. Make it stick!`
`00:18.01`	`JeffM2501`	`lazy bastage`
`00:19.14`	`CBG`	`:)`
`00:19.19`	`JeffM2501`	`now make it prety`
`00:19.31`	`CBG`	`its a .txt...`
`00:19.36`	`JeffM2501`	`not anymore`
`00:19.38`	`CBG`	`and its 1:20 AM`
`00:19.43`	`JeffM2501`	`so`
`00:19.53`	`CBG`	`so... I shudda been asleep hours ago...`
`00:19.59`	`CBG`	`Im typing in the dark`
`00:20.10`	`JeffM2501`	`then why not ask for the sticky tomorow? :)`
`00:20.15`	`CBG`	`Ah canni see thu kees, cap'n/`
`00:20.31`	`CBG`	`Because i want sticky now, so I can sleep easy`
`00:21.11`	`JeffM2501`	`sticky is for special posts`
`00:21.18`	`JeffM2501`	`they must earn the sticky`
`00:21.25`	`CBG`	`Mine is SPECIAL !`
`00:21.33`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't look special`
`00:21.39`	`CBG`	`:(`
`00:21.39`	`JeffM2501`	`tart it up a bit :)`
`00:21.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I did part of the work for you allready`
`00:21.48`	`CBG`	`:o`
`00:22.09`	`CBG`	`bastage`
`00:22.25`	`JeffM2501`	`if your gonna jump then jump far`
`00:22.30`	`CBG`	`hehe`
`00:22.51`	`CBG`	`unless your trying to land on a tiny thing and there is acid the other side of it.`
`00:23.15`	`JeffM2501`	`well, since I've never seen a pit of acid in reality`
`00:23.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I will discount that`
`00:23.26`	`CBG`	`You havent LIVED`
`00:23.38`	`JeffM2501`	`and you haven't jumped`
`00:23.44`	`CBG`	`I have...`
`00:23.50`	`JeffM2501`	`not far`
`00:23.53`	`CBG`	`Im just too fat to get very far`
`00:24.15`	`CBG`	`ye canny discriminate mi becuzz uf mi wairt`
`00:24.37`	`JeffM2501`	`if your going to sing, better be a rock star`
`00:24.45`	`JeffM2501`	`just don't 0.5ass it`
`00:24.51`	`CBG`	`That was no singing...`
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`00:24.53`	`JeffM2501`	`you did a lot of work on the instructions`
`00:24.58`	`JeffM2501`	`that's a good thing`
`00:25.00`	`JeffM2501`	`show it off`
`00:25.04`	`JeffM2501`	`let everyone see it`
`00:25.07`	`CBG`	`That wuzz mi scuttish aksent`
`00:25.10`	`JeffM2501`	`do you want me to make it purty`
`00:25.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I know what it was`
`00:25.18`	`CBG`	`no... im doing it.......`
`00:25.37`	`JeffM2501`	`lookit the size of that boys' 'ead... It's like an orange on a toothpick!`
`00:27.04`	`JeffM2501`	`the bigest thing I want about sickys is for them to be understandable`
`00:27.18`	`JeffM2501`	`in a way bzbb is kinda like a second wiki of living documenation`
`00:27.33`	`CBG`	`:/`
`00:27.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll do it if you want`
`00:27.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I can understand it being late`
`00:27.58`	`CBG`	`Ye toook out mi copi rite!`
`00:28.30`	`JeffM2501`	`figured since the post was in your name, didn't realy need it`
`00:28.40`	`CBG`	`Eh...`
`00:29.17`	`CBG`	`its back in now. :P`
`00:29.24`	`CBG`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=37288 - Better? :)`
`00:29.53`	`JeffM2501`	`very nice`
`00:30.09`	`CBG`	`ty`
`00:30.21`	`JeffM2501`	`sticky it is, now get some sleep corporal :)`
`00:30.33`	`CBG`	`after I earn my keep, eh?`
`00:30.45`	`JeffM2501`	`naw it looks prety good`
`00:31.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I may make the things you replace in the last part bold, but that's about it`
`00:31.08`	`JeffM2501`	`like PORT`
`00:31.19`	`JeffM2501`	`and YOUR-IP/DOMAIN`
`00:31.20`	`CBG`	`hmm... good idea.:)`
`00:31.22`	`JeffM2501`	`but it's minimal`
`00:31.24`	`JeffM2501`	`you caped it`
`00:31.31`	`CBG`	`caped? :S`
`00:31.36`	`JeffM2501`	`CAPS`
`00:31.44`	`JeffM2501`	`that's not too long ether`
`00:31.51`	`JeffM2501`	`fits nice in the post, don't you think?`
`00:32.26`	`CBG`	`lol :) ok`
`00:32.58`	`CBG`	`Is $0.40 for making a new topic in a forum (Max $15) a good deal, or what?`
`00:33.15`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`00:33.40`	`CBG`	`I am a Mod at a webdesign forum, the boss offered me 40cents for every new thread I start...`
`00:33.49`	`CBG`	`(The forum was getting very quiet of late...)`
`00:33.58`	`JeffM2501`	`that seems odd`
`00:34.08`	`CBG`	`How so?`
`00:34.20`	`JeffM2501`	`because it's just going to seem like spam`
`00:34.26`	`CBG`	`Maybe...`
`00:34.51`	`CBG`	`But, I don't especially care... :P`
`00:34.54`	`JeffM2501`	`why not say "I'll give you 15$ if you can increase readership and post counts"`
`00:35.04`	`CBG`	`Thats rather vague...`
`00:35.19`	`CBG`	`If I get one person to join and post one thing, I get $15..`
`00:35.45`	`JeffM2501`	`well he obvilusly has some limits in mind`
`00:36.00`	`CBG`	`But, is it a good deal to me? :P`
`00:36.01`	`JeffM2501`	`making you post new threads probably isn't going to increase intrest`
`00:36.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono, how hard up for $15 are you?`
`00:36.14`	`JeffM2501`	`cus that's nothing`
`00:36.23`	`CBG`	`Is for me...`
`00:36.31`	`CBG`	`2 domains or 1 for 2 years...`
`00:37.02`	`CBG`	`I get £1 a week... pocket money.`
`00:37.02`	`CBG`	`Like, $1.8`
`00:37.02`	`JeffM2501`	`get a real job :)`
`00:37.05`	`CBG`	`So $15 is like 8 weeks pocket money in 30mins...`
`00:37.11`	`CBG`	`No time... EXAMS`
`00:38.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I think you just answerd your own question then`
`00:38.38`	`CBG`	`I have 30 mins to spare, not enough for a 'real' job.`
`00:39.07`	`JeffM2501`	`then the choice is yours`
`00:39.24`	`CBG`	`Works out £1 for every 2 minutes...`
`00:39.41`	`Thumper_`	`hey JeffM2501`
`00:39.42`	`JeffM2501`	`for me $15 to make that make 37.5 posts is pointless`
`00:39.47`	`JeffM2501`	`hello Thumper_`
`00:40.02`	`CBG`	`A 'real' job would be more like ??`
`00:40.17`	`Thumper_`	`JeffM2501: how long have you been developing code for BZ?`
`00:40.17`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, you can make 1.25 valid threads a min?`
`00:40.28`	`CBG`	`About...`
`00:40.32`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, my first code was put in in 1997`
`00:40.47`	`CBG`	`When im not talking to you or tarting m post up.`
`00:40.54`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, and you have 38 unique web design topic ideas?`
`00:41.19`	`CBG`	`Alas, no. but there is a "General Chat" forum.`
`00:41.30`	`JeffM2501`	`well best of luck then`
`00:41.42`	`JeffM2501`	`hope chit chat is what you guy wants`
`00:41.52`	`Thumper_`	`JeffM2501: I've played with the code a little for server patches but really haven't tried to figure out how it ALL works`
`00:41.53`	`CBG`	`:) He seems happy enough.`
`00:42.05`	`Thumper_`	`JeffM2501: any suggestions on how to tackle the beast?`
`00:42.19`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, noone knows how it ALL works`
`00:42.20`	`orchid`	`Thumper_: theres a devinfo file woth reading`
`00:42.32`	`Thumper_`	`orchid: where is that?`
`00:42.38`	`Thumper_`	`on the wiki?`
`00:42.39`	`JeffM2501`	`just putter on what you want to work on, then you kinda get the hang of it`
`00:42.46`	`orchid`	`Thumper_: in the src`
`00:42.58`	`Thumper_`	`k. what there's docs in the source ? ;)`
`00:43.07`	`JeffM2501`	`devinfo`
`00:43.11`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a file`
`00:43.21`	`JeffM2501`	`what kind of changes do you want to make?`
`00:44.54`	`Thumper_`	`I don't have any specific wishlist items in mind - just general code improvement etc since there is usually room for that`
`00:45.05`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, how do you feel about a plugin registering an extension and a callback, for files?`
`00:45.23`	`JeffM2501`	`for like other plugin loads`
`00:45.31`	`JeffM2501`	`then you could just do -loadplugin mything.py`
`00:51.09`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, then find a place and impove :)`
`00:51.18`	`Thumper_`	`ok :)`
`00:51.54`	`Thumper_`	`and since I'm not a BZdev... just post patches someplace you can get to them?`
`00:52.41`	`Thumper_`	`I'm still new to C++ so don't hold your breath ;)`
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`00:54.48`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe you want to start with plugins then`
`00:55.32`	`orchid`	`Thumper_: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248&atid=303248 you can place them there`
`00:56.17`	`orchid`	`Thumper_: but yes the plugins would be good as they have exceptional documentation :)`
`00:56.52`	`JeffM2501`	`well it's not completete docs`
`00:56.55`	`JeffM2501`	`they need help`
`00:57.04`	`JeffM2501`	`but I want to finish the changes before I update them`
`01:12.27`	`CBG`	`ok... 2:12 AM...`
`01:12.34`	`CBG`	`way past my bed time. ;)`
`01:12.59`	`CBG`	`Good night all. Cya tomorrow. :)`
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`02:06.47`	`noyb`	`I could use some help with getting ./configure to find SDL. Tupone told me it can't find libaudio, so grep audio config.log shows: http://pastebin.ca/12999`
`02:07.32`	`noyb`	`also... on solaris 10, there is not '/usr/demo/SOUND/lib'`
`02:08.22`	`noyb`	`so I presume that's where libaudio was?`
`02:13.21`	`JeffM2501`	`was sdl even ported to solaris?`
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`02:14.32`	`DTRemenak`	`if it hadn't been, would we be using it?`
`02:14.37`	`trepan`	`http://www.libsdl.org/index.php, yup`
`02:14.43`	`DTRemenak`	`" Simple DirectMedia Layer supports Linux, Windows, BeOS, MacOS Classic, MacOS X, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSD/OS, Solaris, IRIX, and QNX."`
`02:14.59`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`02:15.18`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, SDL is optional, the old platform stuff could still work fine`
`02:21.35`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, you ok with me making bzAPI be required by all builds, just making the BZF_API be defined as the export when the USE_API #def is on`
`02:21.42`	`JeffM2501`	`then I don't end up duping classes`
`02:21.50`	`noyb`	`yes, it did compile on solaris... that seems fine. it's the bzflag config that appears to be looking for libaudio which doesn't seem to be there.`
`02:22.09`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly I want to make the event handalers use the same data classes as the API`
`02:22.14`	`JeffM2501`	`so they arn't duped`
`02:22.20`	`JeffM2501`	`noyb, doe you need it?`
`02:22.26`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: why would I be opposed to that? It builds on everything, right?`
`02:22.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it should yea`
`02:22.48`	`JeffM2501`	`just checking to make sure I'm sane`
`02:22.56`	`JeffM2501`	`"sure" was an acceptable answer :)`
`02:23.00`	`DTRemenak`	`heh...I don't sense any insanity yet :)`
`02:23.00`	`noyb`	`well.... not really. I just want to compile it all and try to be helpful for keeping the solaris build alive.`
`02:23.08`	`DTRemenak`	`sure, then ;)`
`02:23.09`	`JeffM2501`	`huzzah`
`02:23.29`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm also removing the std:: stuff from the classes`
`02:24.32`	`JeffM2501`	`now here's the next one, how about making a plugin be able to register an extenstion handaler with the plugin loader, and making bzfs look for the python plugin by default? :)`
`02:24.47`	`JeffM2501`	`so that you can do -loadplugin myfile.py later`
`02:25.30`	`DTRemenak`	`sgtm`
`02:25.32`	`JeffM2501`	`that way there would only be say 1 instance of the python plugin loaded for each py script`
`02:25.51`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow wasn't sure if it would like loading up more then one parser`
`02:26.11`	`DTRemenak`	`does it need to load more than one?`
`02:26.31`	`JeffM2501`	`right now, if you load more then one py file, it'll load the plugin once for each file`
`02:26.39`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`02:26.56`	`JeffM2501`	`since its -loadplugin python,myfile.py`
`02:28.08`	`noyb`	`JeffM2501: what do you mean by 'old platform stuff' ?`
`02:28.27`	`JeffM2501`	`the native solaris platform code, before we put SDL in as an option`
`02:29.32`	`TimRiker`	`mostly native X stuff, with some solaris hacks.`
`02:30.26`	`noyb`	`I would like to stick with SDL, but when configure makes a test program it fails at link time looking for -laudio. so it seems not SDL related.`
`02:34.43`	`JeffM2501`	`guu dict huzzah`
`02:34.45`	`guu`	`JeffM2501: moby-thes: 19 Moby Thesaurus words for "huzzah": alleluia, applaud, applause, cheer, chorus of cheers, cry, cry for joy, give a cheer, hallelujah, hooray, hosanna, hurrah, hurray, paean, rah, shout, shout hosanna, yell, yippee`
`02:35.24`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe the conf is busted for solaris`
`02:35.34`	`noyb`	`thanks...`
`02:36.21`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't have a solaris system here so I can not offer much advice`
`02:41.03`	`noyb`	`would it be helpful to have config.log or any other info?`
`02:42.28`	`JeffM2501`	`for me personaly`
`02:42.30`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh heck no`
`02:42.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I have no clue how to fix that stuff`
`02:42.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I can tell yah what it thinks it's missing`
`02:42.50`	`JeffM2501`	`that's about it`
`02:42.54`	`JeffM2501`	`probably same as you can`
`02:43.44`	`noyb`	`good enuf. what I need then, is some form of replacement 'libaudio' unless I just don't understand if SDL has that already and I'm not using it right.`
`02:44.10`	`JeffM2501`	`what does solaris use for audio?`
`02:45.11`	`noyb`	`I don't know. it has audio for sure. 'audioplay /usr/demo/SOUND/sounds/gong.au' plays just fine...`
`02:46.06`	`noyb`	`I just don't know which libs it's using.`
`02:46.38`	`noyb`	`maybe ldd audioplay will give a clue.`
`02:48.25`	`JeffM2501`	`anyone know the paramaters for the == oper?`
`02:48.39`	`JeffM2501`	`is it bool operator == (const thing & )`
`02:48.40`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`02:48.53`	`JeffM2501`	`or is it like a const bool & ?`
`02:49.08`	`noyb`	`here are the libs that audioplay uses: http://pastebin.ca/13001`
`02:49.55`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah that's descriptive :)`
`02:50.07`	`JeffM2501`	`build sans sdl and see what bz wants to use`
`02:51.31`	`Thumper_`	`JeffM2501: == or just = ?`
`02:52.38`	`JeffM2501`	`==`
`02:52.44`	`JeffM2501`	`= is easy`
`02:52.49`	`JeffM2501`	`just never done == and !=`
`02:53.24`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh it takes a left and a right`
`02:53.30`	`JeffM2501`	`odd that it dosn't work on itself`
`02:54.50`	`Thumper_`	`bool operator==(const list<T,A>& x, const list<T,A>& y); // <-- that?`
`02:55.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yheah`
`02:55.03`	`JeffM2501`	`takes 2 params`
`02:55.19`	`JeffM2501`	`they could have consoldated it to itself`
`02:55.24`	`JeffM2501`	`one of them at least`
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`03:13.26`	`noyb`	`JeffM2501: ok, --without-SDL comin' up.`
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`03:21.29`	`noyb`	`JeffM2501: still wants to use -laudio. oh, well... I'm going to go watch a movie.`
`03:21.32`	`noyb`	`afk`
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`03:32.36`	`JeffM2501`	`sup MAC`
`03:32.42`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`yo`
`03:34.40`	`JeffM2501`	`how goes it in the wild wild east?`
`03:38.19`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`s'ok`
`03:40.50`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh the joy of waping stl`
`03:40.55`	`JeffM2501`	`wraping even`
`03:40.59`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`heh`
`03:41.05`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`i prefer waping`
`03:43.05`	`JeffM2501`	`but when i'm done, plugins shall rule the world`
`03:43.20`	`JeffM2501`	`as long as the world is containted in a 800x800 unit square`
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`04:13.59`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: any word on that official plugins repository?`
`04:15.44`	`JeffM2501`	`haven't seen nid to ask`
`04:16.03`	`JeffM2501`	`TimRiker, care if we install subversion on my.bzflag.org for use in storing plugins?`
`04:20.06`	`purple_cow`	`maybe something even truly wacky, like bazaar :)`
`04:20.56`	`purple_cow`	`'course, i haven't even tried it yet, so...`
`04:21.07`	`JeffM2501`	`what is that?`
`04:21.20`	`purple_cow`	`another VCS`
`04:21.26`	`purple_cow`	`new frontend to GNU arch`
`04:22.08`	`JeffM2501`	`svn is cool`
`04:22.12`	`JeffM2501`	`its got a tort`
`04:22.17`	`JeffM2501`	`and I LUB the tort!`
`04:25.12`	`JeffM2501`	`don't you have an account on mbo?`
`04:25.18`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`http://www.bazaar-ng.org/ ?`
`04:25.39`	`JeffM2501`	`whoot down to 117 errors :)`
`04:27.07`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: i don't believe i do`
`04:27.19`	`purple_cow`	`MeBigFatGuy: looks like the one`
`04:30.10`	`purple_cow`	`heh, i didn't actually know it was python until just a few seconds ago :)`
`04:30.51`	`purple_cow`	`i'm intrigued by it, because i like the idea of distributed version control, but i've been wary of it because a lot of it's proponents tend to make uninformed statements about svn`
`04:30.52`	`JeffM2501`	`you are set`
`04:31.09`	`JeffM2501`	`I like svn`
`04:31.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I just don't know how to set it up`
`04:33.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I guess having F13 - 16 makes up for it in apple's eyes`
`04:33.50`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`i don't get that either`
`04:34.02`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`i'm lost everytime i got to do something on wifees machine`
`04:34.25`	`JeffM2501`	`is it that white and clear keyboard?`
`04:34.32`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what this is, and I' hate it`
`04:34.37`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`it's a laptop`
`04:34.52`	`JeffM2501`	`mini is geting a nice MS keyboard as soon as I find a replacement for the PC`
`04:34.56`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`they also don't have delete keys, which is annoying`
`04:35.04`	`JeffM2501`	`mine has a delete key`
`04:35.15`	`JeffM2501`	`just where insert should be, it has "help"`
`04:35.27`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`"help, i need an insert key"`
`04:35.57`	`JeffM2501`	`in vim, "i" works`
`04:36.03`	`JeffM2501`	`but it sucks remembering difrent keys`
`04:36.23`	`purple_cow`	`most of the apple keyboards i know have two delete keys`
`04:36.31`	`BenUrban`	`not quite`
`04:36.32`	`purple_cow`	`where one of the delete keys actually means backspace`
`04:36.38`	`BenUrban`	`they have one delete key and one del key`
`04:37.04`	`JeffM2501`	`delete works like a normal "backspace"`
`04:37.08`	`JeffM2501`	`not like a "del"`
`04:37.09`	`BenUrban`	`indeed`
`04:37.17`	`BenUrban`	`del is forward delete`
`04:37.42`	`JeffM2501`	`on normal keyboardds "delete" is`
`04:37.45`	`purple_cow`	`BenUrban: i refuse to admit that that makes any sense at all`
`04:37.47`	`JeffM2501`	`but I guess they had to think difrent`
`04:37.55`	`BenUrban`	`well`
`04:38.05`	`BenUrban`	`historically mac keyboards had only the delete key`
`04:38.11`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy both my keys say the same THING`
`04:38.18`	`BenUrban`	`whose function and position corresponded to the backspace key`
`04:38.18`	`JeffM2501`	`yet they do difrent things`
`04:38.21`	`JeffM2501`	`THAT is messed up`
`04:38.23`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`macs only have a backspace key`
`04:38.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I have a forward delte`
`04:39.00`	`JeffM2501`	`as well as a backspace delete`
`04:39.00`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`wow, lucky`
`04:39.01`	`BenUrban`	`but then they extended their keyboards`
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`04:39.12`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah so people could actualy USE them`
`04:39.12`	`BenUrban`	`to include 3 extra f-keys and such`
`04:39.17`	`JeffM2501`	`4`
`04:39.25`	`BenUrban`	`so the forward del key was an afterthought`
`04:39.27`	`JeffM2501`	`and that usefull "eject" key`
`04:39.29`	`BenUrban`	`delte is the main one`
`04:39.32`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`04:39.50`	`BenUrban`	`...for no reason at all :D`
`04:39.53`	`JeffM2501`	`cus god help them to put a button on the computer`
`04:40.03`	`BenUrban`	`they do have one on the computer`
`04:40.12`	`BenUrban`	`in fact they moved it from the keyboard to the computer`
`04:40.12`	`JeffM2501`	`not mine`
`04:40.14`	`JeffM2501`	`nor many`
`04:40.18`	`BenUrban`	`yes they do`
`04:40.20`	`BenUrban`	`all of them do`
`04:40.23`	`JeffM2501`	`nope`
`04:40.25`	`BenUrban`	`just not an eject button`
`04:40.29`	`BenUrban`	`it's a power button`
`04:40.39`	`BenUrban`	`they used to be on the keyboard...`
`04:40.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`04:40.45`	`JeffM2501`	`they are gone now`
`04:40.52`	`JeffM2501`	`but why not but an eject too`
`04:40.56`	`JeffM2501`	`let the drives be free`
`04:40.58`	`JeffM2501`	`don't hide them`
`04:40.59`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`04:41.12`	`JeffM2501`	`now I have a wasted button on my keyboard`
`04:41.20`	`JeffM2501`	`that could be "calculator" or something usefull`
`04:41.37`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not like they are saving me hand motion, I have to reach to the computer to get the disk`
`04:41.45`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`04:41.47`	`BenUrban`	`true`
`04:42.03`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`do they still make floppy drives?`
`04:42.05`	`BenUrban`	`well mac computers have never had a cdrom eject button`
`04:42.06`	`JeffM2501`	`vol up/down/mute I understand`
`04:42.13`	`BenUrban`	`yes, but not built in`
`04:42.15`	`JeffM2501`	`MeBigFatGuy, I mean CD eject`
`04:42.22`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`ah`
`04:42.31`	`JeffM2501`	`mini has a single button`
`04:42.35`	`BenUrban`	`yep`
`04:42.36`	`JeffM2501`	`to turn it on`
`04:42.39`	`JeffM2501`	`on the back even`
`04:42.40`	`BenUrban`	`just set up a mini for my aunt`
`04:42.50`	`BenUrban`	`spent all day with it`
`04:43.07`	`JeffM2501`	`you open it with your iSpatula?`
`04:43.21`	`JeffM2501`	`or the iButterKnife ?`
`04:43.23`	`BenUrban`	`i find it odd that they put it in a box that's at least 30x the volume`
`04:43.24`	`BenUrban`	`LMFAO`
`04:44.00`	`JeffM2501`	`like 4 screws would have killed them`
`04:44.03`	`BenUrban`	`and iDarwinPorts`
`04:44.07`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`04:44.17`	`BenUrban`	`they want to have apple retailers pay them for training`
`04:44.22`	`BenUrban`	`on how to get the case open`
`04:44.37`	`JeffM2501`	`then why publish videos on how to do it on the net`
`04:44.52`	`BenUrban`	`where?`
`04:44.55`	`JeffM2501`	`like you can only upgrade 1 thing in it`
`04:45.00`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a video that came from apple somewhere`
`04:45.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not a bad computer, just wonder why they do stuff some times`
`04:46.10`	`BenUrban`	`there is only one motive`
`04:46.11`	`BenUrban`	`money`
`04:46.12`	`JeffM2501`	`I know it looks all cool and smooth, but come on, USB on the front!!!`
`04:46.40`	`JeffM2501`	`now I have to get a hub for the bloody thing`
`04:46.54`	`BenUrban`	`yeah i hate that`
`04:47.11`	`JeffM2501`	`have keyboard, ipod, and sound thingy`
`04:47.22`	`JeffM2501`	`yet it only has 2 ports`
`04:47.44`	`BenUrban`	`i was quite disappointed to find out that the brand new mac mini didn't even come with tiger`
`04:47.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think anything ships with tiger yet`
`04:48.05`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`04:48.11`	`JeffM2501`	`BenUrban, it's not a powerd port`
`04:48.38`	`BenUrban`	`so?`
`04:48.38`	`JeffM2501`	`won't run the ipod or sound thinhy`
`04:48.39`	`JeffM2501`	`not enough JUICE`
`04:48.39`	`BenUrban`	`wtf`
`04:48.39`	`JeffM2501`	`mouse take too much power I think`
`04:48.39`	`BenUrban`	`the ipod has its own power source...`
`04:48.40`	`JeffM2501`	`not a shuffle`
`04:48.40`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`04:48.46`	`JeffM2501`	`charges from USB`
`04:48.49`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`04:48.52`	`BenUrban`	`i see`
`04:48.56`	`purple_cow`	`not a powered port? are they allowed to call that USB?`
`04:49.09`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, the ones on the computer are`
`04:49.21`	`purple_cow`	`USB guarantees at least 500ma`
`04:49.29`	`JeffM2501`	`but they keyboard and mouse take power, so when I put the ipod in, it tells me low power warning`
`04:49.35`	`JeffM2501`	`same for flash drives`
`04:49.49`	`JeffM2501`	`by "in" i mean in the hub on the keyboard`
`04:49.52`	`BenUrban`	`anything that's not powered can't be plugged into an unpowered hub`
`04:50.02`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah, I need a bloddy hub`
`04:50.08`	`JeffM2501`	`or one of those minimates`
`04:50.09`	`BenUrban`	`apparently`
`04:50.10`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`04:50.13`	`BenUrban`	`minimates?`
`04:50.32`	`JeffM2501`	`http://www.megamacs.com/minimate/`
`04:51.18`	`BenUrban`	`oh wow now that is pretty`
`04:51.22`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`04:51.24`	`BenUrban`	`and it's not even made by apple!`
`04:51.28`	`JeffM2501`	`only adds 2 USB and 2 firewire`
`04:51.35`	`JeffM2501`	`and the drive`
`04:51.47`	`purple_cow`	`heh, that is cute`
`04:51.58`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`04:52.04`	`BenUrban`	`it has its own power switch`
`04:52.06`	`JeffM2501`	`thing should have like 7 usb ports`
`04:52.10`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it's powered`
`04:52.13`	`JeffM2501`	`and has a drive inside`
`04:52.21`	`JeffM2501`	`conected via firewire`
`04:52.25`	`BenUrban`	`is that a microphone hole?`
`04:52.32`	`BenUrban`	`nice`
`04:52.42`	`JeffM2501`	`no that's power`
`04:52.55`	`BenUrban`	`that little one on the front?`
`04:53.07`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`04:53.09`	`JeffM2501`	`no power light`
`04:53.15`	`BenUrban`	`awww`
`04:53.15`	`JeffM2501`	`same as the mini`
`04:53.28`	`JeffM2501`	`hence why I need my sound dongle thingy`
`04:53.32`	`BenUrban`	`the mini hides its power light behind the whiteness`
`04:53.41`	`BenUrban`	`iirc`
`04:53.48`	`BenUrban`	`hmm maybe not`
`04:53.52`	`JeffM2501`	`no it's on the hole on the front`
`04:53.57`	`JeffM2501`	`you can see it in those picts`
`04:54.06`	`JeffM2501`	`mine is glowing right now`
`04:54.09`	`BenUrban`	`i thought it did what the ibook does`
`04:55.22`	`BenUrban`	`hmm apple shuold link to this on their mac mini page`
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`04:57.55`	`jolie`	`and ... morning`
`04:58.13`	`BenUrban`	`... morning to you too`
`04:58.21`	`jolie`	`aww`
`04:58.22`	`BenUrban`	`what makes the morning so ... ?`
`04:58.23`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`04:58.34`	`jolie`	`muhahah if you knew >=)`
`04:58.43`	`BenUrban`	`that bad, huh? :P`
`04:58.58`	`jolie`	`i would so baddd its damm good.`
`04:59.17`	`BenUrban`	`we were just talking about the mac mini`
`04:59.42`	`BenUrban`	`and how cute the minimate is`
`04:59.47`	`BenUrban`	`http://www.megamacs.com/minimate/`
`05:01.19`	`jolie`	`waah sorry i didnt react fast on the link , but in my channel when someone gives a link you go in fear wondering what sorta ... thing will you see apear in ur monitor this time...`
`05:01.41`	`jolie`	`and oh my god , its like a cookie tupperware!`
`05:02.13`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`05:02.20`	`BenUrban`	`told ya it was cute`
`05:02.39`	`jolie`	`nah cute is ....`
`05:02.47`	`jolie`	`http://drizzt.kilobug.org/fabian/june2005/`
`05:02.52`	`jolie`	`thats CUTE !`
`05:03.48`	`BenUrban`	`a proxy error?`
`05:03.56`	`jolie`	`oh dammit`
`05:04.03`	`BenUrban`	`;)`
`05:04.05`	`jolie`	`we have to wait till the .. bug is up.`
`05:04.11`	`JeffM2501`	`Aoskar!!!!`
`05:04.16`	`JeffM2501`	`he is my nemisis`
`05:04.27`	`JeffM2501`	`peer is his minion`
`05:06.19`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: so, by giving me this power, were you just going to take the "forgiveness is easier to ask than permission" approach?`
`05:06.35`	`JeffM2501`	`hellz yeah`
`05:06.43`	`JeffM2501`	`works for everything else dosn't it?`
`05:06.49`	`jolie`	`nope`
`05:06.53`	`jolie`	`i beg to differ.`
`05:07.05`	`JeffM2501`	`and dude your the only other project admin, he'd better trust you with the power`
`05:07.05`	`jolie`	`only men can think that way.`
`05:07.13`	`JeffM2501`	`jolie, in bzworld it does`
`05:07.41`	`jolie`	`damm tell me about it but dont hit me with it`
`05:07.59`	`JeffM2501`	`uggg, cherry flavored my ass..... :(`
`05:08.13`	`purple_cow`	`your ass is cherry flavored?`
`05:08.19`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`05:08.22`	`BenUrban`	`dammit`
`05:08.24`	`BenUrban`	`too slow`
`05:08.31`	`JeffM2501`	`they said this is cherry flavored nyquill`
`05:08.36`	`BenUrban`	`haha`
`05:08.37`	`JeffM2501`	`it may as well be ass flavored`
`05:08.42`	`BenUrban`	`and you believed them? :P`
`05:08.57`	`JeffM2501`	`why would the vicks corporation lie to me`
`05:09.03`	`JeffM2501`	`uggg I may have to ralf now`
`05:09.20`	`BenUrban`	`read a l... f... ?`
`05:11.02`	`JeffM2501`	`I need a beer`
`05:11.21`	`JeffM2501`	`but beer and nyquil are not the best of friends`
`05:12.55`	`purple_cow`	`heh`
`05:15.27`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`luckily they have versioning built in`
`05:15.38`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`05:15.42`	`JeffM2501`	`just bumped api vers`
`05:15.58`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 5 dirs):`
`05:15.58`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: remove STL form api`
`05:15.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: consolodate event enumerations to use only the API ones`
`05:15.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: add container classes to API`
`05:16.18`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`heh, eaten by the export dll, stl bug?`
`05:17.05`	`JeffM2501`	`can't allocate mem in one module then free it in another`
`05:17.37`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`yup`
`05:18.02`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`you need to install your own 'memory arena'`
`05:18.50`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all wraped up now, where the strings and lists are done in bzfs and just passed to the plugin so it can change it all`
`05:18.57`	`JeffM2501`	`but the code is executed in the bzfs module`
`05:19.57`	`JeffM2501`	`so it should work better now`
`05:20.44`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/platform/WinMedia.h: Protect when we don't have dsound.h`
`05:21.20`	`*** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-21-60.paradise.net.nz)`
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`05:39.10`	`JeffM2501`	`bloddy hell`
`05:39.17`	`JeffM2501`	`I checked in the wrong code`
`05:39.55`	`jolie`	`nyquil definetly kicking in.`
`05:39.55`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
`05:39.55`	`creeperz`	`:-P`
`05:40.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I had 2 bzflag projects`
`05:40.16`	`JeffM2501`	`one with bad bad bad code`
`05:40.23`	`creeperz`	`>.<`
`05:41.45`	`creeperz`	`glad I'm not a developer on anything`
`05:41.50`	`creeperz`	`things would get horrible`
`05:42.45`	`JeffM2501`	`stuff I checked in won't even compile`
`05:42.56`	`jolie`	`oh no you dont know the m,eaning of horrible till you touch perl while ur baby cries and ur motherinlaw is givin you tips on how to celan ur bathroom propertly.`
`05:43.25`	`creeperz`	`jolie: cant say I have that problem`
`05:43.35`	`creeperz`	`or either of the other two you mentioned :-P`
`05:43.41`	`jolie`	`or in its equivalent getting aneedle in ur eye ball.`
`05:43.47`	`JeffM2501`	`it would be worse if she gave you advice on how to clean up perl code :)`
`05:44.11`	`creeperz`	`while your bathroom was crying out "Motherinlaw!!"`
`05:44.13`	`creeperz`	`:-P`
`05:44.56`	`creeperz`	`that didnt make much for sence, but in bizzaro land it did`
`05:45.53`	`purple_cow`	`maybe cleaning up perl code that your baby wrote while your mother in law messes up the bathroom?`
`05:46.12`	`JeffM2501`	`no perl for my babys`
`05:46.18`	`jolie`	`kay, lets go to the needle in the eye.`
`05:46.24`	`JeffM2501`	`gaaaaaa`
`05:46.24`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`i'd probabkly try to put the baby and the bathroom together, myself`
`05:46.32`	`JeffM2501`	`no neddle`
`05:46.43`	`jolie`	`well in about 4 hours i will needle time.`
`05:47.05`	`JeffM2501`	`ew ew ew ew ew ew`
`05:47.35`	`jolie`	`look look !!! O_o -----`
`05:47.48`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`05:48.06`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, it was my bad atempt at removing STL`
`05:48.12`	`JeffM2501`	`I re-did it in another tree`
`05:48.18`	`JeffM2501`	`but commited the wrong one`
`05:48.23`	`creeperz`	`jolie: why the needle?`
`05:49.32`	`jolie`	`someone dropped ink on my eye`
`05:49.46`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
`05:49.56`	`jolie`	`so now im a pirate for 2 days.. arr arr and i have to inject my eye for the pain and burn`
`05:50.06`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: fixee some`
`05:51.44`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: fixee some`
`05:51.57`	`JeffM2501`	`MeBigFatGuy, NOOOOOOOOO`
`05:52.02`	`JeffM2501`	`damnmig`
`05:52.02`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`:)`
`05:52.05`	`JeffM2501`	`dude realy`
`05:52.06`	`JeffM2501`	`n o`
`05:52.14`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm allmost fixed`
`05:52.14`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`sorry`
`05:54.13`	`JeffM2501`	`the code that was checked in will be removed`
`05:54.14`	`JeffM2501`	`totaly`
`05:55.17`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501`
`05:55.26`	`jolie`	`^_^`
`05:59.18`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (15 files in 4 dirs): this time commit the REAL code`
`06:01.14`	`JeffM2501`	`there we go`
`06:01.23`	`JeffM2501`	`noyb, I had 2 bzflag dirs`
`06:01.26`	`creeperz`	`or someone's time to sober up :-P`
`06:01.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I just got the wrong one`
`06:01.49`	`JeffM2501`	`don' know why I kept the old code`
`06:02.10`	`ruskie`	`:)`
`06:02.19`	`noyb`	`huh?`
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`06:02.55`	`noyb`	`JeffM2501: whuh?`
`06:03.02`	`creeperz`	`noyb: JeffM2501 commited the wrong code`
`06:03.07`	`JeffM2501`	`noyb, ?`
`06:04.06`	`noyb`	`I was afk for about 2 hours, I just sat down in front of the computer... I see: "noyb, I had 2 bzflag dirs" and I was wondering what that meant...`
`06:04.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh I meant "no"`
`06:04.28`	`JeffM2501`	`but I hit tab`
`06:04.42`	`noyb`	`aha! very strange tho'`
`06:06.48`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/playHistoryTracker/playHistoryTracker.cpp: make compatable with new API version`
`06:07.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I leave python.dll to "the man"`
`06:07.14`	`JeffM2501`	`or I should say "the fist"`
`06:07.42`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`the hat`
`06:11.45`	`purple_cow`	`i like hats`
`06:11.53`	`BenUrban`	`free hat!`
`06:38.23`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`06:38.23`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: add callback to let one plugin install an extension handaler to be called for other plugins.`
`06:38.23`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: This will help with plugins that are just bindings to other scripting languages, like ohh say PYTHON.`
`06:39.27`	`purple_cow`	`hmm!`
`06:39.59`	`jolie`	`yaah python!`
`06:41.02`	`JeffM2501`	`that way you can do -loadplugin python -loadplugin myfile.py`
`06:41.17`	`JeffM2501`	`I want to make the system do a default check for python`
`06:41.20`	`JeffM2501`	`as well`
`06:43.20`	`JeffM2501`	`must... finish.. api.. changes.. before.. pass... out`
`06:44.03`	`purple_cow`	`gotta love nyquil`
`06:44.04`	`trepan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:44.36`	`trepan`	`or preferably, /plugin [load\|free\|list\|info]`
`06:46.12`	`purple_cow`	`trepan: i'm not sure we really need the complexity of loading/unloading without restarting the server`
`06:46.15`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not a /commond`
`06:46.18`	`JeffM2501`	`well it can be`
`06:46.27`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, it's allready in`
`06:46.54`	`trepan`	`purple_cow: that's the truly cool part about plugins... and oh so easy`
`06:47.09`	`JeffM2501`	`it's done done`
`06:47.11`	`JeffM2501`	`and in`
`06:47.25`	`JeffM2501`	`there are /loadplugin and /removepluign and /listplugin`
`06:48.31`	`trepan`	`plugins take parameters yet?`
`06:48.42`	`purple_cow`	`woohoo, JeffM2501 broke the build, a lot`
`06:51.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I do my best`
`06:51.56`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, since day 1`
`06:52.06`	`JeffM2501`	`-loadplugin pluginname,params`
`06:53.06`	`trepan`	`cool`
`06:55.39`	`JeffM2501`	`wtf connection refused??????`
`06:55.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I so want to commit this so I can go to bed`
`06:56.14`	`jolie`	`15 more minutes and then wont be refused`
`06:56.52`	`JeffM2501`	`it was bandwith suckers`
`06:57.01`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): expose bzdb set functions`
`06:57.44`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: automaticly check for a python plugin on launch`
`06:58.00`	`purple_cow`	`oh, i get it, JeffM2501 is gonna leave me to fix linux`
`06:58.16`	`JeffM2501`	`hellz yeah`
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`07:04.28`	`JeffM2501`	`what dosnt' build?`
`07:09.32`	`purple_cow`	`hang on`
`07:09.45`	`JeffM2501`	`it's ok`
`07:09.47`	`JeffM2501`	`I sleep now`
`07:10.13`	`purple_cow`	`k`
`07:10.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll fix it good, j00 smart`
`07:10.33`	`JeffM2501`	`joo da fist`
`07:18.01`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx): well, this might crash, but at least it compiles`
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`08:41.04`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): it's 'BZDB', not 'BZD'`
`08:42.03`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyBZFlag.cpp PyBZFlag.h PyPlayer.cpp): update for API changes`
`08:44.20`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/python.cpp: bump binding version, since things seem to run OK`
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`13:18.25`	`Grumbler`	`morning all`
`13:18.44`	`jolie`	`morning`
`13:19.46`	`menotume`	`morning`
`13:21.52`	`jolie`	`meno meno <3 <3`
`13:22.57`	`menotume`	`jolie <3`
`13:31.41`	`Birdie`	`good morning monetume`
`13:31.45`	`Birdie`	`menotume *`
`13:31.49`	`menotume`	`tweet tweet`
`13:34.18`	`SportChick`	`Tupone: ping`
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`13:42.56`	`Tupone`	`SportChick: pong`
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`14:07.47`	`Birdie`	`a tab key?`
`14:07.50`	`Birdie`	`to jump?`
`14:07.55`	`Birdie`	`i have wings`
`14:07.59`	`Birdie`	`i dont need to`
`14:08.44`	`Birdie`	`i stay in the air, and i dont come down all the time:)`
`14:09.01`	`Grumbler`	`.......pull..........`
`14:10.08`	`Birdie`	`:(`
`14:10.11`	`Birdie`	`au thats not fair`
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`14:10.33`	`BearPerson`	`are eternal wings? ;-)`
`14:10.37`	`Grumbler`	`....anybody have any idea how to cook pigeon?`
`14:10.52`	`menotume`	`a clay one ?`
`14:11.07`	`Grumbler`	`belgium`
`14:11.08`	`Birdie`	`its about cooking me and meno is there..surprising`
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`14:11.32`	`Grumbler`	`...hmm, would that be flemish, or belgiumeriumimer`
`14:12.02`	`Birdie`	`is there anybody that DOESNT want to cook me?:(`
`14:12.18`	`menotume`	`I taught I taw a puddy-tat`
`14:12.20`	`jolie`	`okay then i make a cold desert`
`14:12.27`	`jolie`	`that does NOT involve cooking :D`
`14:12.33`	`Grumbler`	`well, i think jolie is doing the cooking.....i am preparing the table`
`14:12.52`	`Birdie`	`hot birds arent good in the summer`
`14:12.57`	`Birdie`	`eat some ice cream`
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`14:13.57`	`Birdie`	`i'm old and fat, you wont like me`
`14:14.21`	`jolie`	`wich means lots of you to eat!`
`14:14.46`	`jolie`	`however .. i have to go shopping...`
`14:14.54`	`jolie`	`ttyl`
`14:14.54`	`Birdie`	`to buy food:)`
`14:15.28`	`Grumbler`	`be sure to pick up some red wine......goes best with cooked birdie`
`14:15.49`	`jolie`	`i though white wine white meat, red wine red meat...`
`14:16.14`	`Birdie`	`the real expert`
`14:16.19`	`jolie`	`but okay, red wine it is...`
`14:16.29`	`jolie`	`i might wine marinate you Birdie`
`14:16.36`	`Birdie`	`if i dont like something of alcohol its red wine , bah`
`14:17.27`	`jolie`	`beer birdie?`
`14:17.29`	`Birdie`	`hm things prepared in the wine are so good`
`14:17.30`	`jolie`	`i could...`
`14:17.31`	`Birdie`	`hmm beer:)`
`14:17.42`	`jolie`	`i make an awesome beer chicken.. so..`
`14:17.47`	`Birdie`	`i'm not a chicken`
`14:17.49`	`Birdie`	`lol`
`14:17.54`	`jolie`	`well ur a Birdie ....`
`14:17.55`	`jolie`	`so..`
`14:18.02`	`jolie`	`i guess can work out.`
`14:18.08`	`Birdie`	`i'm "il falco"`
`14:18.10`	`jolie`	`lemme goooo`
`14:18.18`	`jolie`	`ttyl once again.`
`14:18.27`	`Birdie`	`:)cya`
`14:19.52`	`Grumbler`	`....i thought Birdie was more of a dead duck?`
`14:19.58`	`Grumbler`	`:)`
`14:20.58`	`CBG`	`http://www.lol.nl/funnyfiles/pumpkin.jpg`
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`14:51.33`	`bz8247`	`hi`
`14:52.06`	`bz8247`	`is tough shooter here???????????`
`14:52.26`	`bz8247`	`hello???????????????????`
`14:53.06`	`bz8247`	`hello`
`14:53.13`	`bz8247`	`is someone here???`
`14:53.43`	`YAKarsten`	`yet another browser that can't properly run CGI:IRC...`
`14:55.16`	`ToughShooter`	`Was away some moments`
`14:55.25`	`ToughShooter`	`not that long however`
`14:57.01`	`BearPerson`	`yugi was the EndShot cheat guy?`
`15:00.32`	`Birdie`	`its yugi thoughshooter`
`15:00.36`	`Birdie`	`he started pm"ing me`
`15:00.47`	`Birdie`	`my guess its because you banned him somewhere`
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`15:00.59`	`bz9389`	`hi`
`15:01.03`	`BearPerson`	`hello`
`15:01.11`	`bz9389`	`and`
`15:01.14`	`bz9389`	`how are you???????`
`15:01.24`	`BearPerson`	`coding`
`15:01.30`	`bz9389`	`aha`
`15:01.39`	`bz9389`	`k`
`15:01.42`	`bz9389`	`o`
`15:01.43`	`bz9389`	`o`
`15:02.42`	`bz9389`	`do you live in america????????`
`15:03.07`	`menotume`	`yugi alert`
`15:03.11`	`bz9389`	`who?`
`15:03.12`	`blast007`	`62.155.236.51`
`15:03.18`	`bz9389`	`how do you see?`
`15:03.20`	`menotume`	`yep`
`15:03.22`	`bz9389`	`how do you see?`
`15:03.27`	`Birdie`	`lol and 30 min ago he had 217.93.250.*`
`15:03.32`	`bz9389`	`yes`
`15:03.32`	`menotume`	`with my eyes, how do you see ?`
`15:03.37`	`bz9389`	`nope`
`15:03.40`	`blast007`	`and the one from up above (bz8247) was 217.93.244.196`
`15:03.41`	`bz9389`	`where do you see ip?`
`15:03.56`	`bz9389`	`i have a question`
`15:04.01`	`blast007`	`~ask`
`15:04.02`	`ibot`	`Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html`
`15:04.03`	`bz9389`	`if not i would not be here`
`15:04.14`	`bz9389`	`so`
`15:04.22`	`bz9389`	`sometimes i do not respond to the server`
`15:04.29`	`bz9389`	`for some seconds`
`15:04.33`	`bz9389`	`sometimes 1 minute`
`15:04.35`	`blast007`	`laggy connection`
`15:04.40`	`bz9389`	`nope`
`15:04.44`	`bz9389`	`that is the problem`
`15:04.57`	`bz9389`	`my lag is nearly 70`
`15:04.57`	`bz9389`	`and then`
`15:04.58`	`bz9389`	`not responding`
`15:05.03`	`menotume`	`wireless ?`
`15:05.06`	`bz9389`	`nope`
`15:05.09`	`bz9389`	`cabel`
`15:05.10`	`bz9389`	`ndsl`
`15:05.19`	`bz9389`	`dsl 1 mbit`
`15:05.34`	`menotume`	`laptop ?`
`15:05.35`	`BearPerson`	`what's the jitter on the lag? (the +- bit)`
`15:05.41`	`bz9389`	`nope`
`15:05.44`	`bz9389`	`computer`
`15:05.48`	`bz9389`	`no laptot`
`15:05.49`	`menotume`	`and lost/missing packets :)`
`15:05.53`	`bz9389`	`nope`
`15:06.00`	`blast007`	`...`
`15:06.19`	`bz9389`	`i dunno why`
`15:06.22`	`BearPerson`	`what's sharing the internet connection?`
`15:06.23`	`Chestal`	`bz9389: clarify 'do not respond to server'`
`15:06.27`	`bz9389`	`yep`
`15:06.33`	`bz9389`	`yep`
`15:06.36`	`BearPerson`	`yep what?`
`15:06.36`	`bz9389`	`not responding`
`15:06.44`	`bz9389`	`and sometimes for 30sec`
`15:06.46`	`Chestal`	`what does that mean?`
`15:06.47`	`blast007`	`clarify it`
`15:06.50`	`bz9389`	`what`
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`15:06.59`	`Chestal`	`the not responding`
`15:07.00`	`blast007`	`...explain more about what happens...`
`15:07.04`	`bz9389`	`so`
`15:07.13`	`bz9389`	`not more so often now`
`15:07.17`	`BearPerson`	`does everyone you see go "[nr]", do you go [nr] on the server's view, how do you know?`
`15:07.24`	`bz9389`	`yep`
`15:07.27`	`bz9389`	`everyone nr`
`15:07.33`	`BearPerson`	`and what other traffic is on the connection?`
`15:07.36`	`CBG`	`Can I just clarify this... 56ms jitter, is pretty bad, right?`
`15:07.40`	`Chestal`	`you are behind a router? NAT?`
`15:07.45`	`bz9389`	`ehhhhhh`
`15:07.50`	`ToughShooter`	`70ms lag via dip.t-dialin.net should be impossible, would be higher`
`15:07.51`	`bz9389`	`i think i have a router`
`15:07.58`	`bz9389`	`nope`
`15:08.00`	`bz9389`	`it is so`
`15:08.04`	`bz9389`	`70-80`
`15:08.32`	`bz9389`	`so`
`15:08.38`	`CBG`	`ToughShooter: Was that aimed at me? :S`
`15:08.39`	`bz9389`	`do you have an idea to fix it??????`
`15:08.42`	`ToughShooter`	`You're in Germany, obviously`
`15:08.46`	`blast007`	`CBG: no`
`15:08.48`	`bz9389`	`yes`
`15:08.51`	`bz9389`	`i am`
`15:08.51`	`CBG`	`Ok. :)`
`15:08.54`	`blast007`	`:)`
`15:08.58`	`bz9389`	`:(`
`15:09.02`	`ToughShooter`	`even my university has 170ms lag to secretplace`
`15:09.08`	`bz9389`	`aha`
`15:09.09`	`Chestal`	`my wild guess is that you have NAT and the router has Alzheimer every now and then :-)`
`15:09.17`	`bz9389`	`lol`
`15:09.26`	`bz9389`	`wait`
`15:09.33`	`bz9389`	`i have asked a player`
`15:09.44`	`bz9389`	`his university has 100 mbit`
`15:10.00`	`bz9389`	`and his lag or ping is only 8ms`
`15:10.18`	`menotume`	`...`
`15:10.20`	`blast007`	`has to be to a local server`
`15:10.22`	`ToughShooter`	`You seem to be somehow more confused than I am`
`15:10.22`	`Chestal`	`70ms lag is no problem via T-DSL, of course not to any US server`
`15:10.57`	`menotume`	`bz9389: what server were you at when you got 70-80ms lag ?`
`15:11.16`	`bz9389`	`german servers`
`15:11.21`	`ToughShooter`	`Is 70 the number after +-?`
`15:11.25`	`bz9389`	`nope`
`15:11.30`	`bz9389`	`the first`
`15:11.34`	`bz9389`	`but on dub`
`15:11.38`	`ToughShooter`	`Well, german servers are at another location`
`15:11.43`	`bz9389`	`on dub i often did not respond`
`15:11.50`	`ToughShooter`	`so routing is much different`
`15:12.01`	`Birdie`	`every player goes nr for you?`
`15:12.06`	`bz9389`	`yes`
`15:12.12`	`bz9389`	`every`
`15:12.14`	`Birdie`	`i have somethimes the same problem`
`15:12.17`	`bz9389`	`yes`
`15:12.22`	`bz9389`	`but sometimes i am kicked`
`15:12.23`	`blast007`	`which implies that his connection is being interrupted or lagged`
`15:12.27`	`Birdie`	`join, the same server, with : 1vs1.pimpi.org 5156`
`15:12.30`	`Birdie`	`and you wont have the problem`
`15:12.34`	`bz9389`	`aha`
`15:12.35`	`bz9389`	`why`
`15:12.39`	`Birdie`	`no idea`
`15:12.43`	`bz9389`	`it was on dub`
`15:12.44`	`Birdie`	`its the same server`
`15:12.50`	`Birdie`	`same place`
`15:12.50`	`bz9389`	`dub.bzflag.org`
`15:12.51`	`Birdie`	`but other name`
`15:12.53`	`menotume`	`perhaps a router is overloaded, and throws away UDPs`
`15:12.55`	`bz9389`	`or somehow`
`15:13.12`	`bz9389`	`1vs1 pimpi is something other`
`15:13.25`	`Birdie`	`hmm wait`
`15:14.09`	`Birdie`	`strange`
`15:14.25`	`Birdie`	`i use it when i go to the private server 59998, and i can use the other name for it`
`15:14.30`	`Birdie`	`but not on the normal server`
`15:16.09`	`ToughShooter`	`~bzfquery 1vs1.pimpi.org:5160`
`15:18.32`	`blast007`	`it's possible it could be some other software running that eats bandwidth`
`15:20.42`	`BearPerson`	`it is my theory`
`15:21.23`	`CBG`	`AM I right in thinking that a jitter of around 50ms is pretty bad... ?`
`15:21.43`	`bz9389`	`nope`
`15:21.49`	`blast007`	`CBG: yeah, that sounds a bit high..I think mine is usualy under 10ms`
`15:22.38`	`Birdie`	`bz9389 please give me a chance to say the others sorry`
`15:22.38`	`Birdie`	`bz9389 man`
`15:22.38`	`Birdie`	`bz9389 have a heart`
`15:22.47`	`CBG`	`Thanks blast007`
`15:22.54`	`CBG`	`bz9389 is gone, birdie.`
`15:23.02`	`jolie`	`hahah`
`15:23.02`	`Birdie`	`i dont have a heart because i banned him on gu, while he wanted to hack the server`
`15:23.11`	`Birdie`	`i said it because he was gone..`
`15:23.16`	`CBG`	`Saturn / Yugi ?`
`15:23.21`	`Birdie`	`ya`
`15:23.38`	`BearPerson`	`hmm... what was the name of the south california college kid again?`
`15:23.58`	`CBG`	`From GU Forum: you do not know that i didnt't want to hack. I only wanted to say that i liked your server and that i promise not to do that anymore in my life. I say sorry very much times and saw what i have done. I apologize for doing this things and i would be thankful if one of your admin wants to give me a last chance.`
`15:24.03`	`CBG`	`Saturn`
`15:24.33`	`BearPerson`	`answer "you have been given a last chance already."`
`15:24.49`	`CBG`	`Hes had about 4 of them...`
`15:24.54`	`Birdie`	`i told him to not mess up the gu server(after what he did on hepcat) said it was his last chance`
`15:25.18`	`BearPerson`	`Really too bad we can't ban him...`
`15:25.26`	`BearPerson`	`would take out half of germany easily`
`15:25.36`	`CBG`	`He is still getting new Ip ranges?`
`15:26.13`	`Birdie`	`tupone explained me the new way of banning in the next release, it will be possible to ban without banning way to much people`
`15:26.23`	`ToughShooter`	`Bad thing is IP-adresses are mixed with 3rd party providers`
`15:26.40`	`ToughShooter`	`Birdie: Hostban?`
`15:28.09`	`BearPerson`	`well, it's basically a telekom IP iirc`
`15:28.16`	`BearPerson`	`they give you a new one everytime you reconnect`
`15:28.35`	`BearPerson`	`and I don't think they split them up by areas, don't think usernames even`
`15:29.09`	`ToughShooter`	`Yup, 3rd party providers are within the range, too. In addition to that some of them are from germany, too like my IP-adress`
`15:29.52`	`ToughShooter`	`T-Online: dip.t-dialin.net, Resellers: dip0.t-ipconnect.de, AFAIK`
`15:30.02`	`BearPerson`	`62.155.128.0/15 is his range`
`15:30.46`	`ToughShooter`	`My IP-adresses given by T-Online begun with 214., 84., too`
`15:34.46`	`CBG`	`Pimpi...?`
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`15:41.15`	`Pimpi`	`wasts up?`
`15:41.19`	`Pimpi`	`whats`
`15:41.49`	`ToughShooter`	`Pimpi: He left already`
`15:43.09`	`Pimpi`	`who, cbg?`
`15:43.14`	`ToughShooter`	`yup`
`15:43.30`	`BearPerson`	`all the hostname of a t-com IP tells you is what the IP is in hex... maybe reseller`
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`16:17.47`	`Pimpi`	`BearPerson: so a hostban might be more efficient?`
`16:17.59`	`BearPerson`	`not really`
`16:18.02`	`jolie`	`nope`
`16:18.28`	`BearPerson`	`I don't think there's much of a difference between banning a t-com's IP range or host range`
`16:18.36`	`Pimpi`	`we'd only ban on reseller instead of whole t-com ranges`
`16:18.55`	`Pimpi`	`if you can identify the reseller by hostname`
`16:19.06`	`bz7958`	`help`
`16:19.07`	`BearPerson`	`don't think you can even that`
`16:19.21`	`bz7958`	`quelq'unparle franc`
`16:19.23`	`JeffM2501`	`just go reg only`
`16:19.28`	`BearPerson`	`I think they're just p<IP in hex>.t-dialin.net or whatever`
`16:19.30`	`JeffM2501`	`best way to get jerks`
`16:19.35`	`Pimpi`	`yeah, thought so too`
`16:19.35`	`bz7958`	`meta`
`16:19.41`	`Pimpi`	`yeah`
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`16:21.42`	`BearPerson`	`I wonder where we'd be going if we started banning by some weird ID hash cooked up from build date, machine type etc...`
`16:22.54`	`Pimpi`	`most users use latest release, and we have only 3 common platforms`
`16:23.23`	`Pimpi`	`don't think it'd be much better`
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`16:24.13`	`BearPerson`	`yeah`
`16:24.29`	`macwilly`	`sos`
`16:24.37`	`BearPerson`	`kiddies won't know how to change their MAC though... but maybe we'd be going too far`
`16:24.48`	`Pimpi`	`hehe`
`16:24.54`	`Pimpi`	`macwilly: whats up?`
`16:24.58`	`macwilly`	`i have e broblem`
`16:25.07`	`macwilly`	`i'm a french`
`16:25.28`	`macwilly`	`and i can't play to bzflag`
`16:25.30`	`jolie`	`sheeesh`
`16:25.36`	`BearPerson`	`why not?`
`16:25.40`	`macwilly`	`how do you play to it`
`16:25.51`	`macwilly`	`do you speak french ,`
`16:25.57`	`jolie`	`oui`
`16:26.00`	`macwilly`	`cool`
`16:26.07`	`Pimpi`	`we start the game and connect to a client`
`16:26.09`	`macwilly`	`tarive a jouer toi ?`
`16:26.14`	`Pimpi`	`s/client/server`
`16:26.17`	`jolie`	`je nes comprend pas`
`16:26.28`	`macwilly`	`comprend pas qoi ?`
`16:26.35`	`jolie`	`et toi`
`16:26.47`	`macwilly`	`tu compren pas qoi`
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`16:27.18`	`Pimpi`	`jolie: is there any european language you don't speak?`
`16:27.24`	`jolie`	`sure`
`16:27.27`	`Birdie`	`dutch:)`
`16:27.31`	`jolie`	`nah`
`16:27.35`	`jolie`	`i can that`
`16:27.36`	`macwilly`	`there are any men to speak french in this web`
`16:27.40`	`BearPerson`	`greek`
`16:27.42`	`Birdie`	`spreek met mij dan`
`16:27.44`	`jolie`	`greek it is`
`16:27.57`	`macwilly`	`JE COMPREND RIEN`
`16:28.03`	`Pimpi`	`\|zongo\| does`
`16:28.07`	`creeperz`	`thats all I need to know :-P`
`16:28.11`	`Pimpi`	`DarthValou too`
`16:28.14`	`macwilly`	`:p`
`16:28.16`	`BearPerson`	`Birdie, warom niet? :)`
`16:28.22`	`Pimpi`	`not here though`
`16:28.22`	`Birdie`	`lol`
`16:28.31`	`Birdie`	`amazing, some one knows dutch`
`16:28.43`	`Pimpi`	`mmu_man: you speak french, no?`
`16:28.55`	`Birdie`	`je parle le francais`
`16:28.56`	`macwilly`	`ehhh how do you play in bzflag ?`
`16:29.03`	`macwilly`	`jolie`
`16:29.05`	`Birdie`	`qu'est ce que tu veux savoir?`
`16:29.06`	`creeperz`	`by moving your mouse`
`16:29.06`	`jolie`	`so macwilly`
`16:29.10`	`jolie`	`quel est ton problème ?`
`16:29.11`	`BearPerson`	`Ik ben in nederland geboren :)`
`16:29.21`	`Birdie`	`bah nederland:)`
`16:29.23`	`macwilly`	`comment on joue a bzflag ?`
`16:29.33`	`Birdie`	`installeer le jeu`
`16:29.37`	`Birdie`	`installer *`
`16:29.40`	`macwilly`	`dja f�`
`16:29.45`	`macwilly`	`f�`
`16:29.52`	`macwilly`	`fai`
`16:29.59`	`macwilly`	`apres`
`16:30.17`	`macwilly`	`?`
`16:30.22`	`Birdie`	`tu ouvres, to pousse en "serverlist" , pousse a un nom et tu pousse "connect"`
`16:30.23`	`jolie`	`tu l'installes et après tu rejoins un serveur`
`16:30.38`	`macwilly`	`comment on rejoin un serveur`
`16:30.42`	`macwilly`	`il sont ou ?`
`16:30.45`	`jolie`	`tu l'installes et après tu rejoins un serveur`
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`16:30.59`	`jolie`	`connect`
`16:31.08`	`macwilly`	`attend`
`16:31.14`	`Birdie`	`tu ouvres et pousser en list the serveur`
`16:31.29`	`Birdie`	`la tu choisis un serveur`
`16:31.35`	`macwilly`	`donne l'adresse du site`
`16:32.08`	`macwilly`	`c ou connect ?`
`16:32.22`	`BearPerson`	`doesn't bzflag have a french locale too?`
`16:32.26`	`Birdie`	`yes`
`16:32.37`	`Birdie`	`tu as ouvert le jeu?`
`16:32.39`	`macwilly`	`repete en francais`
`16:32.47`	`macwilly`	`non ou on clique ?`
`16:32.58`	`Birdie`	`cliquer 2 fois`
`16:33.04`	`macwilly`	`sur qoi ?`
`16:33.18`	`Birdie`	`le jeu`
`16:33.26`	`Birdie`	`que tu as installé`
`16:33.47`	`macwilly`	`attend`
`16:35.04`	`Birdie`	`...`
`16:47.28`	`Grumbler`	`....`
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`17:06.39`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot logs`
`17:06.40`	`ibot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
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`17:30.14`	`Grumbler`	`grumble, grumble`
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`17:30.49`	`CBG`	`Morning Learner and all.`
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`17:36.24`	`CBG`	`Hi all.`
`17:36.47`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`17:43.18`	`menotume`	`laerner: pingo`
`17:43.33`	`menotume`	`or, perhpas learner`
`17:45.43`	`menotume`	`anyways, i'm thinking about a slight mod to bzflag`
`17:46.07`	`menotume`	`You know how 'S' toggles scoreboard display ?`
`17:46.13`	`menotume`	`I'd like some way to have player scores off, but team scores on`
`17:46.30`	`Grumbler`	`'s'`
`17:46.47`	`menotume`	`s toggles both`
`17:46.58`	`Grumbler`	`'S"\' ?`
`17:47.29`	`Grumbler`	`aside, it sounds like a nice idea`
`17:47.46`	`menotume`	`thx, and i'll code it`
`17:47.57`	`menotume`	`but i'm not sure how to do it operationally`
`17:48.17`	`JeffM2501`	`client side rendering plugins!!!! :)`
`17:48.27`	`menotume`	`ie, could do 'S' to toggle: no scores, all scores, team scores`
`17:48.35`	`menotume`	`but that changes the current functionality`
`17:48.46`	`menotume`	`a plugin for that ?`
`17:48.49`	`menotume`	`lol`
`17:50.09`	`menotume`	`could add an option that allows 'S' to be a 3-way toggle ?`
`17:52.20`	`menotume`	`either that, or yet another key`
`17:52.37`	`blast007`	`or like 's' toggles both, 'Ctrl+S' toggles player score, and 'Sift+S' toggles team score`
`17:52.37`	`blast007`	`shift*`
`17:52.37`	`menotume`	`ahhh`
`17:52.39`	`menotume`	`yes`
`17:52.50`	`menotume`	`if those don't do anything else bad`
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`17:53.26`	`Grumbler`	`heh, they are back`
`17:53.58`	`Grumbler`	`i thought i didnt use enough soap this morning`
`17:54.04`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`17:54.15`	`menotume`	`lemme reapeat that for hose who missed it`
`17:54.28`	`Grumbler`	`hoser away`
`17:54.28`	`menotume`	`blast said: or like 's' toggles both, 'Ctrl+S' toggles player score, and 'Shift+S' toggles team score`
`17:54.44`	`menotume`	`great idea, but i'm afraid those key combos may create other problems`
`17:54.45`	`Tupone`	`:( better a 3 state`
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`17:55.28`	`blast007`	`if it's a 3 state, I want it to be optional...`
`17:55.31`	`menotume`	`lemme try 3-state`
`17:55.44`	`menotume`	`yes, optional, default would be to work the way it does now`
`17:55.48`	`blast007`	`:)`
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`17:57.00`	`bryjen`	`why an option? what depends on the S key continueing to function the same? Or is just Change Is Bad?`
`17:58.33`	`menotume`	`I'm assuming change is bad`
`17:58.58`	`menotume`	`some players may be used to the way it works now`
`17:59.18`	`blast007`	`for one thing, it would be a 4-state: both off, both on, team on, player on`
`17:59.38`	`blast007`	`I don't want to have to cycle through 4 settings to turn it all off`
`17:59.50`	`menotume`	`yes, 4 would be too much`
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`18:00.09`	`bryjen`	`but then you get into arguement of the free-for-all _really_ _does_ have teams but next to nobody plays that way`
`18:00.58`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, hitting that key can really be a killer.....`
`18:01.05`	`CBG`	`bryjen said: still wonders why there are individual scores displayed in team games and team scores in "non-team" ones - Yes! Its plain Stupid.`
`18:01.09`	`Tupone`	`but how do you hunt someone, if you remove the score on CTF`
`18:01.19`	`menotume`	`ahhh`
`18:01.28`	`CBG`	`All the time people play FFA on CTF servers... If the individual player scores were not therre, they would not...`
`18:01.30`	`Grumbler`	`its a team game....not rabbit`
`18:01.31`	`bryjen`	`remove the score, not the playerlist ?`
`18:01.37`	`menotume`	`if you select hunt mode, they come on`
`18:01.55`	`menotume`	`well, it's the playlist that gets in the way, IMO`
`18:02.29`	`bryjen`	`yes, thePeopleWithRidiculouslyLongCallSigns`
`18:02.42`	`Tupone`	`I would like to know who kill me more`
`18:02.43`	`bryjen`	`or VeryVeryLongEmailStrings`
`18:03.28`	`CBG`	`Or the guy called IAmAbetterplayerThanYouLoser (ThisIsTheUltimateEmailAddress@SuperDomainHere.Wacky)`
`18:04.33`	`CBG`	`in some cases, yes. I think so.`
`18:04.41`	`menotume`	`for example .... http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/pillbox.png`
`18:04.56`	`menotume`	`makes it kinda hard to see out-the-window`
`18:05.13`	`menotume`	`but, it would be nice to see team scores, and team counts`
`18:05.13`	`CBG`	`I get that on gamesunited:5154 a lot...`
`18:05.19`	`menotume`	`yes`
`18:05.31`	`CBG`	`Wow. Huge Radar+Console, meno!`
`18:05.44`	`menotume`	`hehe, big yes`
`18:05.51`	`CBG`	`Why don't you make them transparent?`
`18:06.00`	`blast007`	`how about a GUI Options setting that controls the behavior of the team scores?`
`18:06.07`	`blast007`	`Show: Always, Never, Toggle (with toggle being the current behavior)`
`18:06.07`	`menotume`	`i don't like it that way`
`18:06.30`	`menotume`	`ahhh, that could work`
`18:06.47`	`menotume`	`then if 'always' ... s just toggles player scores`
`18:06.52`	`blast007`	`yup`
`18:07.53`	`menotume`	`lol`
`18:09.15`	`blast007`	`hehehe`
`18:10.55`	`menotume`	`ok, try this one then: http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/pillbox2.png`
`18:10.57`	`menotume`	`lol`
`18:13.01`	`Tupone`	`you now see only the player name, not the tanks or the shots`
`18:14.27`	`menotume`	`Anatastia ?`
`18:14.45`	`Pimpi`	`even longer`
`18:14.59`	`menotume`	`:)`
`18:15.11`	`Birdie`	`its that long i allready forgot..`
`18:15.17`	`CBG`	`Pimpi: What is considered acceptable lag on viper.pimpi?`
`18:15.33`	`Pimpi`	`lagwarn is 300`
`18:15.39`	`CBG`	`And Jitter?`
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`18:15.42`	`menotume`	`anything below lagwarn setting, i would think`
`18:15.48`	`Birdie`	`dub 5156 is 300 to?`
`18:15.53`	`menotume`	`though, some may disagree :)`
`18:16.02`	`Pimpi`	`if it gets unplayable`
`18:16.19`	`Pimpi`	`yeah, think so`
`18:16.34`	`CBG`	`Well, one guy "jb007" had jitter of over 50...`
`18:16.50`	`Pimpi`	`definately too high`
`18:16.54`	`CBG`	`To me thats unplayable but I was OBs... Was I wrong to warn him his jitter was high?`
`18:17.04`	`Pimpi`	`ths is not lag, but a messed up conection`
`18:17.09`	`menotume`	`do we need a jitterwarn/jitterkick ?`
`18:17.20`	`CBG`	`yes.`
`18:17.29`	`CBG`	`And a similar deal for LostPackets`
`18:17.29`	`_Manu_`	`well I think jitter is worse than lag :(`
`18:17.32`	`menotume`	`CBG: patches welcome`
`18:17.43`	`menotume`	`muahawahawa`
`18:17.48`	`CBG`	`menotume: Teach me C++... :)`
`18:17.50`	`Birdie`	`if you have the patch of the lagwarn, its it "easy" to make on for jitter to?`
`18:18.01`	`Birdie`	`its mostly the same but with other numbers, no?`
`18:18.02`	`Pimpi`	`we really need to train ibot to say that automatically`
`18:18.14`	`_Manu_`	`Pimpi, hi! :)`
`18:18.25`	`Pimpi`	`hi _Manu_ :)`
`18:18.46`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx: Don't forget data from recalibration when error, just don't change frequency`
`18:19.00`	`CBG`	`anyway menotume: How much longer till the PBL is active? :P`
`18:19.04`	`menotume`	`~pw CBG`
`18:19.05`	`ibot`	`ACTION Patches are always welcome, CBG`
`18:19.12`	`CBG`	`hehehe :D`
`18:19.23`	`blast007`	`lol`
`18:19.54`	`CBG`	`ibot: Tell menotume I will do as many pacthes as I can, once meno teaches me C++. :)`
`18:19.55`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: ws`
`18:20.06`	`CBG`	`ROFL. ibot: No, cbg, I won't. (target invalid?)`
`18:20.19`	`menotume`	`CBG: not sure ... has turned out to be al little more than expected, esp to make the current methodoligy work too`
`18:20.20`	`CBG`	`ibot: You stubborn little...`
`18:20.33`	`CBG`	`methodoligy? :S`
`18:20.41`	`menotume`	`functionality`
`18:20.58`	`CBG`	`oh yeah. :) Well... thats bad news. :(`
`18:20.58`	`menotume`	`ie, without screwing up GU leagiue, etc`
`18:21.08`	`CBG`	`Are we talking, a few more days, weeks, months?`
`18:21.12`	`menotume`	`yes`
`18:21.27`	`CBG`	`Which? lol`
`18:21.32`	`menotume`	`hopefully by this weekend :)`
`18:21.37`	`CBG`	`Yay. :D`
`18:21.47`	`menotume`	`you can help test - i'll let you know when :)`
`18:21.50`	`CBG`	`Thanks for all the work you put in! :)`
`18:21.53`	`CBG`	`Sure. :)`
`18:21.58`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: make it work for the else people again`
`18:22.02`	`CBG`	`But next week I have 7 exams.. :/`
`18:22.10`	`menotume`	`7 ? !!!!`
`18:22.15`	`CBG`	`Yes. :(`
`18:22.38`	`CBG`	`Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, 1 exam each morning, 1 each afternoon...`
`18:22.40`	`menotume`	`Chestal: ws ?`
`18:22.45`	`CBG`	`Then another on Friday. :(`
`18:23.08`	`Birdie`	`7 on one week au, i only have 2 in a week`
`18:23.18`	`CBG`	`Birdie: Grrr. :/`
`18:23.20`	`JeffM2501`	`welcome to the real world kiddies`
`18:23.51`	`CBG`	`Kiddies? Hehe.`
`18:23.53`	`Birdie`	`i'm doing further studies cbg, your still in secundary school, thats why`
`18:24.03`	`CBG`	`Birdie: Quite.`
`18:24.08`	`menotume`	`any1 else have thoughts on the scoreboard, before i strat hacking ?`
`18:24.25`	`Grumbler`	`would like to have control over the location`
`18:24.27`	`CBG`	`Ah. G2G.BBL. bye`
`18:24.38`	`menotume`	`gotya, Grumbler - I'll look at that`
`18:24.52`	`Grumbler`	`would also like to server option to have individual scores "unkept"`
`18:24.53`	`JeffM2501`	`menotume, make it as customiseable as posible, cus everyone thinks difrently`
`18:25.04`	`menotume`	`agreed, JeffM2501`
`18:25.18`	`menotume`	`team scores on left may be tricky`
`18:25.18`	`JeffM2501`	`hence PLUGINS :)`
`18:25.26`	`blast007`	`:)`
`18:25.40`	`Birdie`	`but certainly dont remove the personal scores, many players think thats important, evne in ctf:)`
`18:26.03`	`menotume`	`cause, when slecting hunt mode, player list must come up`
`18:26.11`	`Grumbler`	`....and they are wrong :)`
`18:26.16`	`menotume`	`if playerlist goes on right, that's tricky`
`18:26.40`	`Grumbler`	`if you are hunting in ctf, you are not playing the game`
`18:26.57`	`menotume`	`cause, length of callsign varies`
`18:27.13`	`Birdie`	`grumbler: well if you hunt the best player of the team you have to watch out for it, you just make sure you never meet him on the map while running to base:)`
`18:27.16`	`menotume`	`well, sometimes it's nice to put the best player on hunt`
`18:27.21`	`menotume`	`esp if 2v2`
`18:27.21`	`bryjen`	`you can be hunt the person who has your team's flag`
`18:27.26`	`menotume`	`then you know who is who`
`18:27.39`	`Birdie`	`(when players have different styles)`
`18:27.49`	`Grumbler`	`i havent heard a real argument yet.....`
`18:27.52`	`JeffM2501`	`does the game even track the number of flag caps?`
`18:27.54`	`menotume`	`is quite useful when 2v2`
`18:28.06`	`Grumbler`	`bells and whistles`
`18:28.10`	`bryjen`	`JeffM2501: yes, in CTF that's what the team score is`
`18:28.16`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`18:28.20`	`Birdie`	`for example if you play 2vs2 against one single shot player and one double shot, its good to know who is who, to know how to move and shoot`
`18:28.52`	`menotume`	`or with differing lags, Birdie`
`18:28.58`	`Birdie`	`right`
`18:29.01`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, i am not buying it`
`18:29.06`	`Birdie`	`but only few players can adjust to lag:)`
`18:29.08`	`Grumbler`	`there is right click`
`18:29.29`	`menotume`	`right-click is too much for me - takes my eyes off the action`
`18:29.41`	`Grumbler`	`ooooohhh, boooooohooooo`
`18:29.44`	`menotume`	`I look up to see who it is, and i'm dead`
`18:29.52`	`menotume`	`grumbles`
`18:29.55`	`Birdie`	`right click is for me shooting:)`
`18:30.02`	`wizart`	`hehe. Last time on GU was fun.`
`18:30.11`	`wizart`	`purple waqs skit, RB2 and steph`
`18:30.19`	`Birdie`	`au what a team`
`18:30.24`	`wizart`	`nno hunt needed because all purple were dangerous :)`
`18:30.37`	`Birdie`	`steph is the only one above buildings:)`
`18:30.46`	`Grumbler`	`look, you can have a player list, but i really believe if you get rid of the individual scores, it will help`
`18:30.48`	`wizart`	`hehe true.`
`18:31.00`	`wizart`	`they all have their favorite spots`
`18:31.05`	`Birdie`	`i would like to still have a way to vieuw personal scores`
`18:31.14`	`Birdie`	`ducati players favorite spots are the ground`
`18:31.15`	`menotume`	`that would have to be a server option, i would think`
`18:31.17`	`Grumbler`	`its ridiculuous`
`18:31.19`	`Grumbler`	`play ffa`
`18:31.27`	`wizart`	`A lot of players play by individual score on normal servers`
`18:31.34`	`Grumbler`	`yes, server option, to shut up the whiners`
`18:31.38`	`menotume`	`:)`
`18:31.45`	`wizart`	`for league matches individual score doesn't matter`
`18:31.54`	`Birdie`	`no but some look at that`
`18:32.03`	`Grumbler`	`why?`
`18:32.07`	`Birdie`	`i would like to still have it:) (not wanting to do difficult)`
`18:32.17`	`Birdie`	`dunno showed who played the best(in killing)`
`18:32.24`	`wizart`	`but everywhere else individual score is the only one that counts.`
`18:32.24`	`Grumbler`	`i am always difficult, dont feel bad`
`18:32.28`	`Birdie`	`or see the difference in flags and scores`
`18:32.42`	`wizart`	`The flag score or team score is just a matter of luck at being in the rioght team.`
`18:32.47`	`Birdie`	`like if some one has better killing ratios, but they loose in flags`
`18:32.59`	`wizart`	`nor having the patience to rally the team to play intelligent.`
`18:33.12`	`bryjen`	`wizart: exactly, individual score should still show in FFA games, just not in CTF`
`18:33.47`	`Birdie`	`many players play for score on ctf servers`
`18:33.55`	`wizart`	`if you go to a ctf server and try to play ctf you will get sick of explaining how to play team after a few month.`
`18:33.59`	`Birdie`	`some do both to see how much they kill etc`
`18:34.09`	`apj`	`it should be selectable`
`18:34.17`	`wizart`	`I tried this. You have to reexplain everything about every 10 minutes.`
`18:34.31`	`Birdie`	`right`
`18:34.41`	`menotume`	`yes, selectable by server option as well`
`18:34.41`	`Birdie`	`after some time you give up and you just play and just cap when you spawn close to a flag`
`18:34.42`	`apj`	`wizart: few month?!?`
`18:34.51`	`apj`	`wizart: you are very durable :)`
`18:34.58`	`wizart`	`The only free ctf server where you can play a decent ctf once in a while are the free ducati servers.`
`18:35.09`	`wizart`	`well probably closer to a few weeks :)`
`18:35.10`	`bryjen`	`hence removing the individual score, so all they see is points for flag capture. Maybe they're learn quicker`
`18:35.14`	`Birdie`	`or you must have a team you know('players) and than you can try;:), if you are with 3 4 players who want to play ctf`
`18:35.32`	`wizart`	`if you remove the individual score all good players move somewhere else.`
`18:35.33`	`bryjen`	`s/there're/they would/`
`18:35.53`	`wizart`	`Even on the free ducati we only play ctf for about 20% of the time.`
`18:36.06`	`wizart`	`what to do in the other 80% then ?`
`18:36.07`	`bryjen`	`bah. they're not good ctf players if they're playing for individual points.`
`18:36.12`	`wizart`	`Have an empty server ?`
`18:36.20`	`wizart`	`Then you lose the other 20% ctf as well.`
`18:36.32`	`menotume`	`any reason why there should be so much empty space between 'kills' and 'player' columns ?`
`18:36.40`	`wizart`	`There is no point playing ctf if you do it without a team.`
`18:36.46`	`menotume`	`example: http://localhost/bzcaps/pillbox2.png`
`18:37.01`	`wizart`	`and there is no point in "teamplay" without a team.`
`18:37.17`	`BearPerson`	`menotume, no use if you give us http://localhost ;-)`
`18:37.27`	`menotume`	`lol`
`18:37.30`	`wizart`	`Even if just one player of a team leaves or doesn't play team it's completely uneven.`
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`18:37.46`	`menotume`	`http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/pillbox2.png`
`18:37.57`	`Birdie`	`certainly dont remove the possibillity to see personal scores or you will get much much complaining`
`18:38.03`	`Birdie`	`empty ctf servers`
`18:38.04`	`menotume`	`i agree`
`18:38.11`	`wizart`	`there is more to being a good ctf player than just being able to capture flags on a public server. a lot more.`
`18:38.24`	`Birdie`	`i play ctf when i have a team`
`18:38.30`	`Birdie`	`10% of the cases`
`18:38.32`	`menotume`	`yes, killing your teammates always works for me`
`18:38.45`	`wizart`	`very much for the displeasure of the others on GU I think :)`
`18:38.59`	`Birdie`	`10% is allready much on gu yes:)`
`18:39.13`	`Birdie`	`but i took the average with ducati/dub`
`18:39.33`	`wizart`	`wow. nice screenshot meno`
`18:39.44`	`Grumbler`	`http://www.galkire.net/stuff/danceoff_1.wmv .....ouch, my back hurts`
`18:40.07`	`wizart`	`pillbox was fun for ctf.`
`18:40.28`	`menotume`	`any objects to moving the player names to the left a little ? I mean, there's nothing that i'm missing that would be overwritten is there ?`
`18:40.30`	`wizart`	`Unfortunately mI got kittens when I saw how most tanks played there.`
`18:41.07`	`menotume`	`s/objects/objections`
`18:41.17`	`wizart`	`hmm. names more to the left seams fine. But I switch names off anyway. They disturb to much.`
`18:41.39`	`Grumbler`	`menotume, i think that space is there because as fonts go down is size(or is it screen resolution), that size is small`
`18:41.51`	`menotume`	`ahhh, ok`
`18:41.55`	`Birdie`	`hey or a way to keep the 5 best top scores to know who to hunt?:)`
`18:42.02`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix crash in getPlayer Data when player dosn't have a flag.`
`18:42.19`	`menotume`	`then, i may look at some font metrics`
`18:42.32`	`creeperz`	`crazy dancing`
`18:43.17`	`menotume`	`maybe that space should be (resolution width/SOMEFACTOR)`
`18:43.37`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (spree1.wav spree2.wav spree3.wav spree4.wav): placeholder sounds for anoucements`
`18:44.32`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/playHistoryTracker/playHistoryTracker.cpp:`
`18:44.32`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: update to new non crashing player info methods.`
`18:44.32`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: play client custom ancoument sounds when people go on rampages and stuff`
`18:44.32`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: HEADSHOT!`
`18:44.35`	`JeffM2501`	`can anyone do the movie anouncer voice?`
`18:44.55`	`JeffM2501`	`where you sound like you've been smoking cigarets since you were 12`
`18:45.38`	`menotume`	`LOL! http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/pillbox@640.png <== at 640x480`
`18:45.47`	`menotume`	`no wonder why people turn off scores`
`18:46.14`	`JeffM2501`	`bz's score system needs a totaly redux`
`18:46.16`	`bryjen`	`that shot loads alot faster ;)`
`18:46.24`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`18:46.24`	`Grumbler`	`are there really headshots in bzflag`
`18:46.32`	`JeffM2501`	`well no`
`18:46.37`	`JeffM2501`	`but there should be :)`
`18:46.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I need somone to do the voice`
`18:47.04`	`JeffM2501`	`and say 4 things`
`18:47.21`	`JeffM2501`	`"rampage", "killing spree", "unstoppable", and "excelent"`
`18:47.47`	`JeffM2501`	`the voice of optimus prime would be best :)`
`18:48.03`	`Grumbler`	`it would be more popular if you could get a female voice....alla, "happy birthday mr. president"`
`18:48.09`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`18:48.11`	`JeffM2501`	`got a hottie?`
`18:48.24`	`menotume`	`isn't that Marylin's job ?`
`18:48.33`	`Grumbler`	`thats the name`
`18:48.42`	`Grumbler`	`had a blank out`
`18:49.13`	`Grumbler`	`...i think any female that does it......probably doesnt want it made public`
`18:49.36`	`Grumbler`	`....or probably shouldnt have it made public`
`18:53.54`	`menotume`	`i see the spacing problem - easy fix`
`18:54.40`	`BearPerson`	`what's broken?`
`18:56.07`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`18:56.09`	`menotume`	`too much space between 'kills' column and 'player' coloum`
`18:56.32`	`*** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@p54B02FA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`18:56.34`	`menotume`	`the space was based on widht of 'score' colum instead of width of 'kills' column`
`18:56.41`	`BearPerson`	`I see`
`18:57.22`	`Chestal`	`hmm, does the 'killer highlight' no longer work?`
`18:58.08`	`menotume`	`hmm, dunno`
`18:58.18`	`menotume`	`perhaps learner removed underlining ?`
`18:59.32`	`menotume`	`http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/newspacing.png <== is better, yes ?`
`18:59.59`	`menotume`	`there's enough room for 888/888 in 'kills' column`
`19:00.04`	`menotume`	`regardless of font size`
`19:00.26`	`Grumbler`	`yes, could be tighter`
`19:00.38`	`Grumbler`	`ditto with scores`
`19:00.44`	`Grumbler`	`grumble grumble`
`19:01.27`	`Grumbler`	`....and shouldnt it be BAR/NONE, not BAR/NI :)`
`19:01.32`	`menotume`	`ahh, the old 'spacing label' has extra room for a XX%`
`19:01.39`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`19:01.59`	`menotume`	`is xx% ever used ?`
`19:02.05`	`bryjen`	`for rabbit chase`
`19:02.15`	`menotume`	`ahh, then it should be left there`
`19:03.52`	`menotume`	`ok to commit the simple spacing change ?`
`19:04.32`	`Grumbler`	`dang, meaningless types`
`19:05.22`	`menotume`	`errr, any objections to committing the cpacing change? :)`
`19:05.54`	`bryjen`	`fire when ready`
`19:06.46`	`menotume`	`fired`
`19:06.59`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): Reduce spacing between 'kills' and 'player' columns in scoreboard`
`19:07.57`	`menotume`	`that helps a little for those who may be using 640x480 (poor souls)`
`19:08.47`	`menotume`	`crap, i had IPs in the screencap`
`19:09.47`	`Grumbler`	`better delete that baby before the evil begins`
`19:11.25`	`menotume`	`fixed`
`19:12.50`	`menotume`	`can someone fix the bug where IPs are blurred in playerlist? :P`
`19:13.20`	`apj`	`menotume: go buy glasses :)`
`19:13.25`	`Grumbler`	`~lart menotume`
`19:13.38`	`menotume`	`lol`
`19:13.47`	`apj`	`Grumbler: evil :(`
`19:14.32`	`apj`	`no-one harm cute leetle menotuume!`
`19:15.32`	`menotume`	`apj <3`
`19:15.33`	`JeffM2501`	`so Grumbler got my sounds?`
`19:18.03`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`19:18.16`	`*** join/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c122-p245.vtx.ch)`
`19:18.33`	`BenUrban`	`got a url?`
`19:18.55`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, there just arn't that many mac users`
`19:18.56`	`CBG`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3940 :D`
`19:19.01`	`Grumbler`	`nobody uses macs :p`
`19:19.09`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: There is more than just me... :P`
`19:19.10`	`menotume`	`good answer !`
`19:19.18`	`JeffM2501`	`percentage wise it's small`
`19:19.25`	`JeffM2501`	`not everyone who uses a mac runs a server`
`19:20.09`	`*** join/#bzflag Sporty (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-43.stmnca.adelphia.net)`
`19:20.13`	`JeffM2501`	`since the mini dosn't weigh anything`
`19:20.16`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't hurt`
`19:20.22`	`Grumbler`	`well, at least you found one use for it.....`
`19:20.27`	`CBG`	`Aha... Good one Jeff.`
`19:20.37`	`*** part/#bzflag cosmos (~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org)`
`19:20.41`	`BenUrban`	`~lart apj`
`19:20.46`	`CBG`	`Grumbler: please tell me you are not like this irl...`
`19:20.50`	`BenUrban`	`lmfao`
`19:20.54`	`JeffM2501`	`now stop the sillyness and somone record my bloddy sounds :)`
`19:21.04`	`CBG`	`bloddy?`
`19:21.07`	`CBG`	`~dict bloddy`
`19:21.13`	`JeffM2501`	`bloody`
`19:21.18`	`CBG`	`Seems there is no such word, jeff.`
`19:21.27`	`JeffM2501`	`because noone has recorded it yet`
`19:21.32`	`apj`	`JeffM2501: what do you need, i have a microphone :)`
`19:21.48`	`JeffM2501`	`apj, can you do movie anouncer voice?`
`19:21.55`	`CBG`	`BenUrban: Wht else would work?`
`19:21.56`	`brlcad`	`many moons ago, a quick survey of servers showed the macs had a decent percentage of the clients .. would be interested to run that again`
`19:22.11`	`BenUrban`	`CBG: 755`
`19:22.13`	`apj`	`JeffM2501: what is that?`
`19:22.21`	`JeffM2501`	`the super deep anouncer voice`
`19:22.24`	`CBG`	`BenUrban: OK. I will channge it :)`
`19:22.28`	`BenUrban`	`also, if it's a shell script, why not use .sh?`
`19:22.31`	`apj`	`i don't know`
`19:22.36`	`apj`	`i can say "bang"`
`19:22.52`	`JeffM2501`	`"rampage", "killing spree", "unstoppable", and "excelent"`
`19:23.05`	`Grumbler`	`"goooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll"`
`19:23.06`	`CBG`	`BenUrban: I have no idea what a shell script is... Did I right onw?`
`19:23.07`	`JeffM2501`	`also "dominating", "my house", and "did ya like that?"`
`19:23.15`	`jolie`	`hi brlcad ---`
`19:23.26`	`CBG`	`"excellent" (double 'l')`
`19:23.29`	`BenUrban`	`CBG: then you shouldn't be writing a guide that uses a shell :P`
`19:23.38`	`CBG`	`lol.`
`19:23.41`	`CBG`	`It all works... :P`
`19:23.48`	`BenUrban`	`it can work better`
`19:23.52`	`JeffM2501`	`"double kill", "multikill", "Monsterkill", and "Wow"`
`19:23.57`	`JeffM2501`	`all those would be good`
`19:24.03`	`Grumbler`	`"fat daddy"`
`19:24.07`	`CBG`	`Everything could be better.`
`19:24.18`	`Grumbler`	`"cool baby, cool"`
`19:24.32`	`jolie`	`hmm`
`19:24.38`	`BenUrban`	`if you call it bzfs.sh and chmod it 755 before putting it in the dmg, you don't need the user to manually run terminal`
`19:24.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd like a couple voices doing them all`
`19:24.46`	`JeffM2501`	`male and female`
`19:24.55`	`CBG`	`BenUrban :o Wow.`
`19:25.03`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/game/LinkManager.cxx: fix bug 1110919 - meaningless type qualifier in cast`
`19:25.04`	`Grumbler`	`maybe jolie can do the maryiln monroe version? :)`
`19:25.06`	`JeffM2501`	`and also a robot dog`
`19:25.12`	`jolie`	`yak`
`19:25.13`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:25.18`	`jolie`	`....`
`19:25.21`	`jolie`	`thxs.`
`19:25.30`	`JeffM2501`	`she probably can do the MM version`
`19:25.33`	`brlcad`	`CBG: run the script in misc/ that reports how many of what clients are playing right now and you'll get a percentage of client types`
`19:25.35`	`Grumbler`	`heh`
`19:25.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I thinkshe should get right on it :)`
`19:25.46`	`jolie`	`.... robot dog voice?!`
`19:25.52`	`jolie`	`dammit...`
`19:25.53`	`JeffM2501`	`no no, no robot dog from you`
`19:25.57`	`Birdie`	`lol marlyn monroe`
`19:25.57`	`jolie`	`thxs.`
`19:25.58`	`brlcad`	`CBG: just don't run it more than once/twice since you end up connecting to every server as a player`
`19:26.00`	`JeffM2501`	`for that we ned a robot dog`
`19:26.01`	`CBG`	`brlcad: Umm.. what? and why do I want to know the % of client types?`
`19:26.36`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, you around?`
`19:26.58`	`jolie`	`my voice is for a diggie robot!?!? ...`
`19:27.01`	`BenUrban`	`lol he wants you to knwo that theere are no macs out there :P`
`19:27.01`	`jolie`	`=/`
`19:27.10`	`JeffM2501`	`no no, your voice is for the hot sexy lady`
`19:27.19`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG is the robot dog`
`19:27.20`	`brlcad`	`CBG: just because of your comment about mac users responding/reading`
`19:27.22`	`BenUrban`	`at least we hope you're hot and sexy :P`
`19:27.30`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: W00t!`
`19:27.30`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, this is totaly bzflag`
`19:27.43`	`CBG`	`brlcad: Oh. ok ;)`
`19:27.45`	`jolie`	`me hot and sexy?!`
`19:27.48`	`JeffM2501`	`bzfs can now tell the client to play any sound`
`19:27.50`	`jolie`	`im definetly NOT`
`19:27.52`	`CBG`	`No... they meant me, jolie.`
`19:27.54`	`Birdie`	`tum tum`
`19:27.55`	`CBG`	`;)`
`19:28.05`	`jolie`	`ah well then CBG , sure`
`19:28.26`	`jolie`	`robot dog....`
`19:28.34`	`apj`	`jolie: you are :)`
`19:29.05`	`jolie`	`kay blondie whatever you say.`
`19:29.14`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: you have audacity?`
`19:29.19`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`19:29.23`	`JeffM2501`	`nor a mike`
`19:29.28`	`apj`	`jolie: i'm no BLONDE!`
`19:29.33`	`Grumbler`	`so, are we getting a MM version, we could probably expand our user base by 300-400% among the 15-60 year old males..... :)`
`19:29.44`	`BenUrban`	`ack`
`19:29.45`	`BenUrban`	`*wig`
`19:29.50`	`BenUrban`	`lmfao`
`19:29.55`	`jolie`	`why, he is blondie`
`19:30.06`	`Grumbler`	`are those a type of cookie`
`19:30.07`	`Birdie`	`apj: what color would you be than? we all saw a pic with blond hair and you said its you`
`19:30.14`	`jolie`	`but i could turn my hair blonde...`
`19:30.16`	`BenUrban`	`Grumbler: not quite cookie`
`19:30.17`	`jolie`	`interesting`
`19:30.24`	`Grumbler`	`brownie?`
`19:30.34`	`BenUrban`	`like a brownie without chocolate`
`19:30.38`	`apj`	`Birdie: it was just the sunlight`
`19:30.44`	`CBG`	`apj: rofl.`
`19:30.45`	`Birdie`	`riiiiiiiight:)`
`19:30.46`	`apj`	`Birdie: it is brown when it is wet :)`
`19:31.09`	`jolie`	`geeez robot dog voice!?`
`19:31.15`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:31.28`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: speed change + phaser = fun`
`19:31.43`	`apj`	`CBG: it is, if i'm not blonde, jolie will do bzflag sounds`
`19:31.47`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`19:31.49`	`apj`	`so it is very ontopic :)`
`19:31.56`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, so record some up :)`
`19:32.23`	`Birdie`	`lol some read those logs every day to see something interesting about bzflag, and they see a discussion about a blond hairy apj`
`19:32.28`	`CBG`	`I have GarageBand which enables me to record my voice...`
`19:32.39`	`JeffM2501`	`then have at it`
`19:32.42`	`CBG`	`So i'll get to work on the robotic dog tonight :)`
`19:32.54`	`Grumbler`	`....but you better end up sounding like MM`
`19:38.58`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: http://trepan.homelinux.net/killing_spree.wav (-speed and delay)`
`19:39.15`	`JeffM2501`	`hahhhh`
`19:39.22`	`JeffM2501`	`dude you should doo a full set`
`19:39.23`	`trepan`	`needs HF cleaning`
`19:39.23`	`JeffM2501`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=37370#37370`
`19:39.30`	`JeffM2501`	`that's the list of stuff I'm looking for`
`19:39.46`	`JeffM2501`	`anyone else have any more ideas`
`19:39.52`	`JeffM2501`	`for sayings`
`19:40.08`	`trepan`	`not suitable for this channel ;)`
`19:40.13`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`19:40.40`	`Birdie`	`i think i gonna have fun with trying one of those with my micro`
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`19:41.27`	`CBG`	`I tried, I failed.`
`19:41.34`	`Grumbler`	`"dang, you better put some A/C in the tank, because you are HOT"`
`19:41.41`	`CBG`	`Nothing on garageband makes my voice sound like a robotic dog's. :(`
`19:41.51`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: another good option is to use 'sox', batch processing with effects`
`19:42.24`	`Birdie`	`jeff: another good option for a voice, if a teammate says like: purple has our flag, saying "roger that"`
`19:43.20`	`Grumbler`	`...thats when IM voice chat gets integrated in 4.0`
`19:43.21`	`JeffM2501`	`added those`
`19:43.42`	`JeffM2501`	`"X has our flag", "Roger that", and "I'm on it"`
`19:44.46`	`menotume`	`shades of StarCraft`
`19:45.10`	`JeffM2501`	`"I'm about to drop the hammer, and dispence some INSDISCRIMINATE JUSTICE!!!"`
`19:45.32`	`CBG`	`rofl`
`19:45.52`	`menotume`	`kick me, kcik ME !`
`19:45.59`	`Grumbler`	`"you better go on a diet, because your fat butt is getting kicked all over the field"`
`19:46.00`	`CBG`	`Is there a free app for Mac OS that changes pith/tone/whatever of sounds... like my voice, ofr example...?`
`19:46.09`	`CBG`	`Or is there a way to do such a thing in garageband?`
`19:46.10`	`JeffM2501`	`google`
`19:46.14`	`JeffM2501`	`versiontracker`
`19:46.17`	`JeffM2501`	`yahoo`
`19:46.19`	`CBG`	`Grr.. Thanks JEff! :P`
`19:46.30`	`JeffM2501`	`ask a silly, get a silly`
`19:47.05`	`apj`	`CBG could act both female and male.. unedited and edited :)`
`19:47.16`	`CBG`	`Of course.`
`19:48.40`	`Grumbler`	`obviously`
`19:48.46`	`Tupone`	`JeffM2501: there is a way to get legally dsound.h, and the other headers without having windows`
`19:48.57`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`19:48.57`	`Tupone`	`except buying`
`19:49.00`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/misc/serverstats.sh: add ?action=LIST to the list server URL so we get the server list instead of the query form`
`19:49.06`	`JeffM2501`	`download the directX SDK`
`19:49.17`	`Tupone`	`I tried, it check for windows`
`19:49.27`	`Tupone`	`any url?`
`19:49.31`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, I want to have the client download a file and save it to disk int he background, can I do that now?`
`19:49.41`	`Tupone`	`yeah :)`
`19:49.49`	`JeffM2501`	`what do I call?`
`19:49.59`	`jolie`	`ghostbusters!`
`19:50.01`	`jolie`	`nm.`
`19:50.01`	`DTRemenak`	`http://dtremenak.bakadigital.com/serverstats.txt has current results`
`19:50.07`	`Tupone`	`well, to the disk...`
`19:50.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I am going to make a message that the server tells client to prefech a file`
`19:50.12`	`Tupone`	`you'll add wait`
`19:50.12`	`JeffM2501`	`yes to the disk`
`19:50.55`	`DTRemenak`	`4 mac, 3 win, 85 linux, 16 bsd`
`19:51.28`	`bryjen`	`never.bzflag.at ?`
`19:51.47`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, looks like the script screwed up on that one`
`19:52.00`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, I'll get the file for you.`
`19:52.09`	`JeffM2501`	`they are just being bastards against the wine`
`19:52.10`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm betting the same two are the "version 0.0.0" ones`
`19:54.09`	`Tupone`	`derive an object from cURLManager .... and define the collectData, and finalize , collectData will be called whenever new data are available, finalize, when all data are available`
`19:54.44`	`Tupone`	`you can use just finalize, but if the file is huge you have a lot of memory used`
`19:54.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not that huge`
`19:54.55`	`Grumbler`	`dragonfly?`
`19:54.56`	`JeffM2501`	`just sounds`
`19:54.59`	`Tupone`	`ah ok`
`19:55.08`	`Tupone`	`so only finalize ...`
`19:55.10`	`bryjen`	`yet another BSD, iirc`
`19:55.15`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, what version of directX do you want?`
`19:55.26`	`Tupone`	`to build bzflag`
`19:55.37`	`DTRemenak`	`Grumbler: http://www.dragonflybsd.org`
`19:55.40`	`Tupone`	`I suppose 9.0c`
`19:55.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll give you 8`
`19:55.52`	`Tupone`	`ok`
`19:55.53`	`JeffM2501`	`not everyone has 9`
`19:55.58`	`brlcad`	`heh, 4 mac users and 3 windows users.. that's suspicious :)`
`19:56.23`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: bz builds with the dx7 apis no matter what sdk version you have >=7`
`19:56.36`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, the download site basicly only likes IE, I have firefox`
`19:56.41`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, true nuf`
`19:56.44`	`brlcad`	`~bzflist`
`19:56.47`	`JeffM2501`	`8 is samller`
`19:57.01`	`Tupone`	`that is ok`
`19:57.20`	`Tupone`	`M$ >=(`
`19:57.32`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. it missed about 80 players (12 servers)`
`19:57.59`	`Tupone`	`on the constructor you set various option and then call the addHandle()`
`19:58.09`	`Tupone`	`JeffM2501: you got the cURL usage ?`
`19:59.02`	`bryjen`	`are those versions and os for the servers, or the clients thereon?`
`19:59.44`	`DTRemenak`	`servers`
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`20:00.05`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: Whats "Imprsive" ?`
`20:00.19`	`JeffM2501`	`Impresive`
`20:00.29`	`CBG`	`Maybe you need to change that... ;)`
`20:00.52`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad: didn't get 1910 servers for one thing`
`20:01.18`	`brlcad`	`it connects via bzadmin, so it can't really`
`20:01.24`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`20:01.27`	`brlcad`	`it connects as observer and basically does a clientquery`
`20:01.39`	`*** join/#bzflag crko (jan@cmb27-47.dial-up.arnes.si)`
`20:01.47`	`brlcad`	`so if observer is full (or no observers allowed), it's blocked`
`20:01.59`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: brevetti -> patents`
`20:02.30`	`brlcad`	`ooh, wait, that's the server stats script.. not the player one`
`20:02.33`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`20:02.44`	`brlcad`	`i was thinking player.. duh me`
`20:03.01`	`jolie`	`yeah you duh duh :P`
`20:03.03`	`brlcad`	`okay, that makes a lot more sense.. 4 mac servers`
`20:03.18`	`brlcad`	`and mostly linux/bsd`
`20:03.35`	`DTRemenak`	`afaik you never checked in anything else`
`20:04.06`	`brlcad`	`hrm.. maybe didn't, but i did write it at one point`
`20:04.22`	`brlcad`	`it's annoying enough as it is to run the server one`
`20:04.22`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, I seem to remember you posting results from it`
`20:04.42`	`brlcad`	`rather brute-force stats`
`20:04.49`	`DTRemenak`	`everything sends its versions to the list server, we ought to just collect them there`
`20:05.12`	`brlcad`	`yep`
`20:05.18`	`brlcad`	`though that's a "recent" 1.9ism`
`20:05.23`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`20:05.51`	`brlcad`	`er, whatever we were before 2.0 ;)`
`20:13.50`	`*** join/#bzflag ruskie (~ruskie@84.20.228.4)`
`20:14.58`	`Grumbler`	`"everyone's saying different things to me"`
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`20:18.25`	`ToughShooter`	`~bzfquery hepcat.org`
`20:20.37`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx:`
`20:20.37`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: FIXED vertical location of labels in renderNotPlaying and renderRoaming when`
`20:20.37`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: radar is set to opaque.`
`20:21.56`	`creeperz`	`hurray for opaque!`
`20:22.01`	`menotume`	`lol`
`20:22.07`	`wegstar`	`;)`
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`20:29.32`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/playHistoryTracker/playHistoryTracker.cpp: send play sound message when it needs to be sent`
`20:34.39`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, I think I found your crashy problem in the playerInfo`
`20:36.53`	`DTRemenak`	`if anyone wants more long-term client data, over the last 4 months I've had 36612 connections, 58% windows, 18% mac, 23% linux, 0.23% bsd, and 0.03% irix. 36% of the total are SDL-enabled.`
`20:38.31`	`JeffM2501`	`18% mac, not horible`
`20:38.49`	`DTRemenak`	`no solaris or beos`
`20:39.47`	`JeffM2501`	`thought linux would be higher`
`20:42.33`	`brlcad`	`ot`
`20:42.36`	`brlcad`	`er`
`20:42.54`	`brlcad`	`it's his server, most smart people wouldn't be caught dead playing there ;)`
`20:43.04`	`JeffM2501`	`I see`
`20:43.15`	`JeffM2501`	`well yeah the bakadigitial.com thing does scare people away`
`20:43.17`	`bryjen`	`just connections. unique clients (by ip or something) might be different`
`20:44.12`	`DTRemenak`	`connections are closer to what really matters anyway`
`20:44.15`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe windows machiens just reconect more :)`
`20:44.21`	`DTRemenak`	`ideally we'd be using client-minutes`
`20:44.28`	`brlcad`	`11 folks on irix, interesting`
`20:44.39`	`bryjen`	`JeffM2501: with all them crashes, exactly ;)`
`20:44.43`	`DTRemenak`	`or 11 connections from one person on irix :)`
`20:44.50`	`brlcad`	`true :)`
`20:45.43`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, can you do movie trailer anouncer voice?`
`20:46.14`	`bryjen`	`get the divide-by-zero discussion going again and prove nobody's using irix ;)`
`20:46.20`	`bryjen`	`or mac or whatever`
`20:46.25`	`DTRemenak`	`irix connections all have callsigns "bubbles", "lunchmeat", and "the Gimp"`
`20:46.32`	`DTRemenak`	`so 3 people`
`20:46.53`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: i have no idea`
`20:47.00`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, well try :)`
`20:47.25`	`brlcad`	`i'd need a mic handy, which I don't here at work`
`20:47.31`	`brlcad`	`at least not one connected to this puter`
`20:47.39`	`DTRemenak`	`hrm, and after all that I still have 17 clients unaccounted for`
`20:47.58`	`JeffM2501`	`cell phone`
`20:48.03`	`JeffM2501`	`voice recording mode :)`
`20:48.25`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`20:48.29`	`brlcad`	`you making a movie?`
`20:48.31`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`20:48.33`	`JeffM2501`	`for bzflag`
`20:48.38`	`JeffM2501`	`for ancoucemnets`
`20:48.45`	`bryjen`	`DTRemenak: stats pollers that don't give any info ?`
`20:48.47`	`brlcad`	`aww, shizzle`
`20:48.48`	`JeffM2501`	`you want to help the comunity don't you?`
`20:48.53`	`brlcad`	`you need a sexy voice for that, no?`
`20:48.59`	`brlcad`	`where's orchid? :)`
`20:49.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I want more then one voice`
`20:49.14`	`JeffM2501`	`each player can chose there own voice`
`20:49.17`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: no, they sent a version string but it's not trapped by my filters`
`20:49.48`	`DTRemenak`	`heh, and all the irix connections are from one ip address :)`
`20:50.08`	`bryjen`	`rikers.org?`
`20:50.28`	`JeffM2501`	`we need to get tim to do a set of voices :)`
`20:50.37`	`brlcad`	`eek`
`20:50.44`	`DTRemenak`	`no, a cox.net address`
`20:50.59`	`DTRemenak`	`and actually two consecutive ip addresses, .141 and .140`
`20:51.26`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: do you have a list of things that need to be spoken?`
`20:51.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`20:51.34`	`brlcad`	`"you got hozered"`
`20:51.43`	`JeffM2501`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3945`
`20:51.54`	`brlcad`	`"tell your mamma you're not coming home"`
`20:51.57`	`JeffM2501`	`and anything you wish to sugest to be added`
`20:52.13`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, 9 of them are dragonfly`
`20:52.20`	`DTRemenak`	`that leaves 8 unknown`
`20:52.32`	`brlcad`	`heh, "spooooon"`
`20:52.43`	`JeffM2501`	`"your mother will weep when she sees what I've done to you"`
`20:52.45`	`brlcad`	`"Kahhhnnnn!"`
`20:53.45`	`BearPerson`	`how about a few of the old "scorched earth" lines...`
`20:53.53`	`BearPerson`	`"don't worry, it isn't a live round"`
`20:54.00`	`BearPerson`	`"I wonder what this button does"`
`20:54.07`	`JeffM2501`	`you can do those when you record your set`
`20:54.32`	`brlcad`	`hmm`
`20:55.39`	`brlcad`	`think there should be a set of "actions" that have whatever noises/words/phrases associated with it, might allow for a lil more variety`
`20:56.02`	`JeffM2501`	`dude can you read my mind?`
`20:56.11`	`*** join/#bzflag orchid (orchid@orchid.user)`
`20:56.13`	`brlcad`	`like the dozen or so ways one might say "go get our flag"`
`20:56.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I was just editing the post to break them up`
`20:56.30`	`brlcad`	`why yes, yes I can ahem`
`20:56.31`	`JeffM2501`	`the plugin can be made to do that`
`20:57.05`	`DTRemenak`	`hrm, the remaining version strings are all "custom"`
`20:57.40`	`DTRemenak`	`"HAPPY EASTER!!-Mac_OS_X_10.3.8-BUILD:7u16-PowerPC970-SDL"`
`20:57.50`	`DTRemenak`	`" h4x0r3d"`
`20:57.59`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`20:58.00`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, I updated the post to state such things`
`20:58.27`	`DTRemenak`	`"MyPHPBZFlag 0.1.1 alpha"`
`20:58.32`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean I can just gank UT sounds for testing`
`20:58.38`	`DTRemenak`	`""`
`20:58.39`	`JeffM2501`	`but it'd be cool to have real people`
`20:58.58`	`Tupone`	`hey orchid ... ciao`
`20:59.02`	`BearPerson`	`for the really low voice, maybe just record a regular "smoky" voice and slow it 70%`
`20:59.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll be doing my set when I get home`
`20:59.16`	`brlcad`	`yeah, sounds like fun`
`20:59.28`	`brlcad`	`I'll "give it a try", though I hate my voice`
`20:59.31`	`JeffM2501`	`Need the voice of optiums prime!`
`20:59.39`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be best`
`20:59.49`	`JeffM2501`	`"green team, transform and ROOLL OUT!!!"`
`21:00.00`	`orchid`	`ciao Tupone`
`21:00.23`	`brlcad`	`where's the "watch out, bzg is sniping" announcement?`
`21:00.29`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`21:00.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it's F12`
`21:00.56`	`JeffM2501`	`followed by the server sending out a "godlike" annoucement`
`21:01.36`	`JeffM2501`	`with tupone's help I belive I can get the client to download any sounds the server says it needs in the background too`
`21:01.40`	`JeffM2501`	`so we can add more later`
`21:02.20`	`JeffM2501`	`and update the plugin`
`21:02.20`	`brlcad`	`so the client picks some voice profile, and that gets played by local players`
`21:02.28`	`JeffM2501`	`right now the server can tell the client to play a sound via a file name`
`21:02.35`	`JeffM2501`	`figured I'd do the voice pick on the plugin`
`21:02.37`	`brlcad`	`so I hopefully don't end up sounding like Merry, menotume like MBFG, etc ;)`
`21:03.07`	`JeffM2501`	`so you login to the server, tell the server what voice pref you want, and then it when you do actions, the server sends out the actions using those voice files`
`21:03.17`	`JeffM2501`	`if you don't have the file, it's not played`
`21:03.35`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's easy to opt out`
`21:03.48`	`bryjen`	`any mention of F12 in chat should result in an obviously faked laugh or a groan, as its always some idiot making a bad joke or trying to tick newbies`
`21:03.53`	`brlcad`	`i mean, though, if two different players are sending voice events, I should hear their voice selection, not mine :)`
`21:03.59`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`21:04.02`	`brlcad`	`cool`
`21:04.09`	`JeffM2501`	`each player picks there own voice`
`21:04.17`	`JeffM2501`	`and that is the voice others hear you in`
`21:04.49`	`JeffM2501`	`reminds me tho`
`21:04.57`	`JeffM2501`	`have to add a client option for noRemoteSounds`
`21:07.50`	`JeffM2501`	`if it all works out ok, then it may be cool to tie the voices to the tank positions`
`21:08.02`	`JeffM2501`	`and make observers come from "upon high"`
`21:08.36`	`JeffM2501`	`well the 2k4 ones were stupid`
`21:08.38`	`Grumbler`	`..too many, little meaning`
`21:09.11`	`JeffM2501`	`ja`
`21:09.21`	`JeffM2501`	`it is better if you turn off auto taunt`
`21:09.29`	`*** join/#bzflag cosmos (~cosmos@valentino.hepcat.org)`
`21:09.32`	`cosmos`	`hey jeffm`
`21:09.37`	`JeffM2501`	`plugin will have limits on how often peole can say stuff too`
`21:09.39`	`JeffM2501`	`sup G`
`21:09.48`	`cosmos`	`the worldweapon stuff / anticamping`
`21:09.55`	`JeffM2501`	`the on cap stuff?`
`21:09.56`	`cosmos`	`can i have more than one of them go off oncap`
`21:09.58`	`cosmos`	`yeah`
`21:10.00`	`brlcad`	`yeah, make it logarithmic please`
`21:10.13`	`brlcad`	`there are some people I couldn't stand hearing from even once a minute.. ;)`
`21:10.14`	`cosmos`	`ie multiple shockwaves on a team cap.`
`21:10.15`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, it'll be in a plugin, we can adjust to taste.`
`21:10.25`	`JeffM2501`	`cosmos, yes, but you have to define a world weap for each one you want`
`21:10.33`	`JeffM2501`	`you cant' do it with the simple base interface`
`21:11.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I asume you just put "onCap SW" on your base definitions?`
`21:11.19`	`cosmos`	`hrm`
`21:11.19`	`cosmos`	`i created a worldweap section for each area`
`21:11.19`	`cosmos`	`but only one goes off`
`21:11.21`	`brlcad`	`woo hoo.. train tickets to boston`
`21:11.23`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm`
`21:11.26`	`JeffM2501`	`they should all go off`
`21:11.32`	`JeffM2501`	`if they are tied to the same event`
`21:11.40`	`cosmos`	`ill test some more.`
`21:11.47`	`cosmos`	`it appeared that only the last definition went off`
`21:11.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I personaly never tested more then one`
`21:11.51`	`cosmos`	`there are 3 currently`
`21:11.57`	`JeffM2501`	`they should all go`
`21:11.59`	`JeffM2501`	`if they don't let me know`
`21:12.03`	`cosmos`	`let me test again and come back`
`21:12.03`	`JeffM2501`	`the design allows for N`
`21:14.05`	`cosmos`	`nope, only last def works`
`21:14.23`	`JeffM2501`	`checking code now`
`21:14.26`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: let bzdb var _noRemoteSounds turn of server defined custom sounds, for those who like the silent games`
`21:14.31`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm wonder if it's shot ID`
`21:14.48`	`JeffM2501`	`they will all have the same shot ID`
`21:14.50`	`JeffM2501`	`bet that's it`
`21:15.32`	`cosmos`	`hrm. anyway to make the shockradius bigger for the oncap and not the regular shock`
`21:15.44`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`21:15.50`	`JeffM2501`	`it just runs a regular sw`
`21:15.53`	`JeffM2501`	`just like any world weap`
`21:15.53`	`BearPerson`	bzflag.cxx:1265: error: `media' undeclared (first use this function)
`21:16.09`	`BearPerson`	`is this just me lagging 5 hours behind on anon or a bug?`
`21:16.14`	`cosmos`	`yeah i figured. problem is on this map they can just perch on towers behind the base and jump down. damn campers adjust quickly`
`21:16.21`	`cosmos`	`i need to hit about 4 locations`
`21:16.29`	`BearPerson`	`then make 4 world weapons`
`21:16.34`	`BearPerson`	`triggered by flag capture`
`21:17.17`	`cosmos`	`it doesnt work`
`21:17.20`	`cosmos`	`thats the issue`
`21:17.24`	`cosmos`	`only the last definition works`
`21:17.33`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm fixing that now`
`21:17.44`	`cosmos`	`cool`
`21:17.49`	`JeffM2501`	`gotta add thing to get the shot ID`
`21:18.03`	`cosmos`	`its a very nice feature btw.`
`21:20.34`	`JeffM2501`	`was't my idea initaly`
`21:20.39`	`JeffM2501`	`binary spike had the idea`
`21:20.42`	`cosmos`	`i saw that`
`21:20.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I just made it general`
`21:20.48`	`cosmos`	`but you have cleaner code ;)`
`21:21.53`	`*** part/#bzflag jolie (~alex@jolie.active.supporter.pdpc)`
`21:21.53`	`JeffM2501`	`a tad :)`
`21:21.56`	`JeffM2501`	`but only a tad`
`21:22.22`	`cosmos`	`heh`
`21:26.12`	`cosmos`	`now a /globalregister command that registers players via bzbb would be nice ;)`
`21:26.52`	`JeffM2501`	`that would defeat the porupose of it`
`21:26.59`	`JeffM2501`	`since then server would know password`
`21:28.33`	`cosmos`	`nah something that didnt send pass it just registered them to their email, the final verification step could ask for pass/age`
`21:28.52`	`cosmos`	`since it appears most cannot comprehend english instructions on how to register heh`
`21:29.22`	`JeffM2501`	`bzbb dosn't work that way sadly`
`21:29.31`	`cosmos`	`i know`
`21:29.47`	`cosmos`	`i put help that listed the actual url to the registration page and to bzbb.bzflag.org generally`
`21:29.51`	`cosmos`	`they still cant get it`
`21:29.55`	`cosmos`	`i just dont understand`
`21:30.02`	`JeffM2501`	`now maybe a server side function to make the client open a URL in a browser`
`21:30.22`	`JeffM2501`	`then make a registerDamnit.so plugin`
`21:30.26`	`cosmos`	`actually i got it`
`21:30.48`	`cosmos`	`ill add a function that emails them registration instructions/urls /registerhelp <email>`
`21:30.58`	`cosmos`	`it may scroll by too quick in the game`
`21:31.27`	`JeffM2501`	`that's why I say make the client open the page`
`21:31.34`	`JeffM2501`	`and minimise :)`
`21:31.39`	`cosmos`	`yeah`
`21:31.55`	`cosmos`	`my c++ is limited and i mean way limited heh`
`21:31.57`	`JeffM2501`	`and blink`
`21:33.16`	`cosmos`	`on a reg only server it would be slick, they try to spawn and it minimizes bzflag and fires up the registration url`
`21:34.11`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what I'm thinking`
`21:34.23`	`cosmos`	`our probs have been reduced greatly though. with the /report now TALK perms the spamming is all but gone`
`21:34.24`	`JeffM2501`	`should not be hard to do, just a new client message`
`21:34.42`	`JeffM2501`	`old clients would ignore it tho :(`
`21:34.47`	`cosmos`	`yeah`
`21:36.10`	`cosmos`	`but its getting there :) your hard work is much appreciated`
`21:36.51`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (WorldInfo.h WorldWeapons.cxx WorldWeapons.h bzfsAPI.cxx): let event shots use a real world shot Id, as well as API weaps`
`21:37.14`	`cosmos`	`i need to get the whitelist thing setup and unify our ban messages to print a url`
`21:37.26`	`cosmos`	`so players caught up in large bans can get on the whitelist and still play`
`21:38.00`	`JeffM2501`	`plugin can now allow or deny a player :)`
`21:38.07`	`cosmos`	`plugin?`
`21:38.19`	`JeffM2501`	`plugin!`
`21:38.36`	`cosmos`	`is that a client side thing?`
`21:38.42`	`JeffM2501`	`nope :)`
`21:38.53`	`JeffM2501`	`server side thing`
`21:39.04`	`cosmos`	`still need to identify and verify whitelist players`
`21:39.12`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:39.29`	`cosmos`	`since the cheaters will undoubtedly try posing as legit to get back on`
`21:39.42`	`JeffM2501`	`that's why you make a plugin that ties usernames to IP ranges :)`
`21:39.54`	`JeffM2501`	`poserCheck.so :)`
`21:39.57`	`cosmos`	`point me to the plugins docs`
`21:40.04`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not complete yet`
`21:40.07`	`cosmos`	`oh ok`
`21:40.08`	`JeffM2501`	`but its in the plugins dir`
`21:40.11`	`JeffM2501`	`in the source`
`21:40.40`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`21:40.42`	`cosmos`	`sounds like the perl code i was doing to parse logs and tie ips to players in a db heh`
`21:40.45`	`JeffM2501`	`the only samples right now are, shockwaveDeath, playHistoryTracker, and python.`
`21:41.15`	`cosmos`	`gotta start somewhere`
`21:41.24`	`cosmos`	`brb`
`21:44.16`	`JeffM2501`	`plugin could generate a log for you as well`
`21:44.23`	`JeffM2501`	`join's parts, IPs, chats`
`21:44.24`	`JeffM2501`	`all that`
`21:44.29`	`JeffM2501`	`in what ever format you wanted`
`21:44.32`	`JeffM2501`	`or piped to whatever`
`21:45.19`	`JeffM2501`	`want chat run to IRC? :)`
`21:45.47`	`cosmos`	`heh`
`21:46.18`	`JeffM2501`	`or your cell phone?`
`21:46.24`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm I should put a hook in for /report`
`21:46.25`	`cosmos`	`no thanks`
`21:47.34`	`cosmos`	`let me know when the worldweap code is ready for test ill generate a test server bin`
`21:47.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it's in`
`21:47.47`	`JeffM2501`	`it'll just take time to make it to anon`
`21:47.56`	`JeffM2501`	`that last commit was it`
`21:48.00`	`JeffM2501`	`I think`
`21:48.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I can't test here`
`21:48.11`	`cosmos`	`ahh ok let me cvsup and test`
`21:50.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it takes up to 5 hours for dev cvs to sync to anon Cvs`
`21:50.41`	`JeffM2501`	`are you on anon?`
`21:52.32`	`cosmos`	`yeah`
`21:52.53`	`JeffM2501`	`then it may not be to you yet`
`21:52.56`	`JeffM2501`	`but you can see`
`21:53.03`	`JeffM2501`	`see if worldweapons.cxx changes`
`21:54.52`	`cosmos`	`i had to pull a fresh tree, give me something to look for in the source`
`21:55.36`	`JeffM2501`	`is there a function in the header called getNewWorldShotID`
`21:55.42`	`JeffM2501`	`in worldweapons.h`
`21:57.03`	`*** join/#bzflag purple_cow (~jupiter@70.57.48.59)`
`21:57.03`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ`
`21:57.09`	`cosmos`	`nope`
`21:57.17`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's got time to update`
`21:57.24`	`cosmos`	`WorldWeapons.h in src/bzfs right`
`21:57.31`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:57.40`	`cosmos`	`ill wait for the update`
`22:05.17`	`*** join/#bzflag gina (~gigi@23-162.241.81.adsl.skynet.be)`
`22:06.00`	`Tupone`	`ciao gina`
`22:06.09`	`gina`	`ciao`
`22:07.50`	`gina`	`com'esta`
`22:07.55`	`gina`	`a roma`
`22:08.21`	`Tupone`	`sto abbastanza bene, un po' di caldo, quanto basta`
`22:08.38`	`gina`	`caldo`
`22:08.44`	`gina`	`freddo cui`
`22:09.12`	`Tupone`	`:) questa settimana dovrebbe fare 39 gradi :(`
`22:09.24`	`gina`	`39!`
`22:09.39`	`Tupone`	`cosi dicono le previsioni ...`
`22:09.53`	`gina`	`19 :(`
`22:10.25`	`JeffM2501`	`donde esta el cervesas!!!`
`22:10.52`	`Tupone`	`gina, gina 's voices will be perfect :)`
`22:10.59`	`brlcad`	`cerveza!`
`22:11.01`	`gina`	`?`
`22:11.15`	`Tupone`	`looking for voice messages for bzflag`
`22:11.26`	`gina`	`voice messages!`
`22:11.26`	`JeffM2501`	`totaly`
`22:11.31`	`gina`	`on bz!`
`22:11.36`	`JeffM2501`	`got a mic gina?`
`22:11.40`	`gina`	`no:(`
`22:11.49`	`gina`	`µi had one long time ago`
`22:11.56`	`JeffM2501`	`dig it out`
`22:12.09`	`gina`	`which version?`
`22:12.10`	`Birdie`	`my voice is not heavy enough to make such things i noticed:(`
`22:12.24`	`gina`	`birdie: for a girl thats normal`
`22:12.26`	`JeffM2501`	`this one`
`22:12.29`	`JeffM2501`	`ish`
`22:12.40`	`Birdie`	`au`
`22:12.49`	`Birdie`	`~gender birdie`
`22:12.50`	`ibot`	`birdie is female`
`22:12.53`	`*** join/#bzflag deficite (~41053659@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`22:12.55`	`gina`	`ahah`
`22:12.58`	`Birdie`	`who learned him that:(`
`22:13.00`	`JeffM2501`	`Birdie, think manly thoughts`
`22:13.04`	`gina`	`~gender ibot`
`22:13.05`	`ibot`	`ibot is female`
`22:13.12`	`gina`	`~gender gina`
`22:13.13`	`ibot`	`gina is cowboyneal`
`22:13.17`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`22:13.18`	`gina`	`huh`
`22:13.22`	`JeffM2501`	`that's meesed up`
`22:13.31`	`deficite`	`bzflag's audio is so annoying`
`22:13.32`	`gina`	`ibot crashed:)`
`22:13.38`	`deficite`	`it'll work one day and die the next`
`22:13.43`	`gina`	`~gender gina`
`22:13.44`	`ibot`	`gina is hermaphroditic`
`22:13.44`	`Birdie`	`gina made ibot crash:)`
`22:13.48`	`Tupone`	`lol`
`22:13.50`	`gina`	`no way!ç`
`22:13.52`	`Birdie`	`it was to hard to point her gender out:p`
`22:14.10`	`Tupone`	`deficite: what is the problem? Audio works ever`
`22:14.22`	`gina`	`2.0.3??`
`22:14.28`	`deficite`	`Yeah, it worked yesterday. Someone told me to set the driver to dsp and it started working`
`22:14.32`	`deficite`	`today however..`
`22:14.33`	`JeffM2501`	`2.03.x`
`22:14.43`	`deficite`	`I'm not blocking the audio either`
`22:14.45`	`gina`	`so I need to compile`
`22:14.49`	`deficite`	`I'm using dmix`
`22:14.53`	`Birdie`	`did you allraedy had one audio?`
`22:14.58`	`deficite`	`?`
`22:15.12`	`Birdie`	`deficite: not to you`
`22:15.16`	`deficite`	`k`
`22:16.17`	`deficite`	`I don't know what the deal is with bzFlag's audio, but I've talked to a lot of people who can't get it to work right either`
`22:16.52`	`deficite`	`It makes me mad though, it worked yesterday`
`22:16.58`	`bryjen`	`the usual problem is the sound daemon in gnome or kde`
`22:16.59`	`deficite`	`I guess I'm going to have to reboot into windows`
`22:17.03`	`JeffM2501`	`install windows :)`
`22:17.11`	`JeffM2501`	`linux audio is "strange"`
`22:17.14`	`Birdie`	`windows has advantages:)`
`22:17.15`	`deficite`	`I use KDE but aRTs is disabled`
`22:17.27`	`JeffM2501`	`tho you can set the SDL things to have it use difrent sound systems`
`22:17.35`	`deficite`	`I know windows has advantages, but I like doing something while stuff compiles`
`22:17.40`	`deficite`	`:)`
`22:17.44`	`JeffM2501`	`what audio system do you have ?`
`22:17.50`	`deficite`	`ALSA`
`22:17.53`	`JeffM2501`	`you can tell SDL to use alsa`
`22:17.54`	`deficite`	`I have OSS emu too`
`22:17.58`	`bryjen`	`yeah, SDL can go through the sound daemon, but then the effects lag`
`22:18.18`	`deficite`	`I know all that stuff, it was working yesterday`
`22:18.28`	`Tupone`	`what does it display now ?`
`22:18.43`	`deficite`	`no audio driver available`
`22:18.57`	`Tupone`	`and in the option->audio->driver name`
`22:19.12`	`deficite`	`It says dsp but that's because I typed it in`
`22:19.50`	`Tupone`	`yeah .. are you still in the audio group, or it does not work with root?`
`22:20.01`	`Tupone`	`you are the ArchLinux guy?`
`22:20.02`	`deficite`	`I'm in audio and it doesn't work in root`
`22:20.04`	`deficite`	`Yeah`
`22:20.20`	`Tupone`	`the device is there ? /dev/dsp`
`22:20.25`	`deficite`	`yeah`
`22:20.40`	`Tupone`	`can you cat something in it and hear noises?`
`22:21.10`	`deficite`	`hold on`
`22:21.22`	`Tupone`	`don't playback noises here :)`
`22:21.54`	`deficite`	`it plays sounds`
`22:22.00`	`deficite`	`yeah`
`22:22.36`	`deficite`	`I'm going to try restarting the computer (The M$ method. heh)`
`22:23.55`	`gina`	bzflag.cxx: In function `int main(int, char**)':
`22:23.55`	`gina`	bzflag.cxx:1265: error: `media' undeclared (first use this function)
`22:24.10`	`Tupone`	`wait .. don't go :)`
`22:24.21`	`Tupone`	`you update today?`
`22:24.46`	`gina`	`yes`
`22:25.27`	`Tupone`	`PlatformFactory::getMedia()->setMediaDirectory(INSTALL_DATA_DIR);`
`22:25.49`	`Tupone`	`put that at that line ... Chestal did that chage some hours ago, and you don't have`
`22:26.04`	`gina`	`where?`
`22:26.29`	`Tupone`	`line 1265 ob bzflag.cxx`
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`22:26.44`	`deficite`	`yeah I think I'm just going to give up on this`
`22:26.45`	`Tupone`	`before subst paste the line is there`
`22:27.06`	`deficite`	`I'll just use the Windows client`
`22:27.21`	`Tupone`	`deficite: if you want to make last try, put /dev/dsp on the device name`
`22:27.38`	`deficite`	`I already have that on there`
`22:27.48`	`Tupone`	`so remove`
`22:27.51`	`Tupone`	`then`
`22:28.04`	`deficite`	`k`
`22:28.11`	`Tupone`	`driver name should be empty by default ...`
`22:28.18`	`Tupone`	`device name I mean`
`22:28.36`	`deficite`	`it didn't change anything`
`22:28.47`	`Tupone`	`did you restarted bzflag ?`
`22:28.53`	`deficite`	`Yeah`
`22:29.02`	`deficite`	`I have it just like you told me yesterday`
`22:29.25`	`Tupone`	`you have 2 entry: device and driver`
`22:29.32`	`deficite`	`yeah`
`22:29.36`	`Tupone`	`I just said driver, yesterday`
`22:29.46`	`Tupone`	`and device empty`
`22:29.59`	`deficite`	`well, when I tried running the game the first time today it was like you told me`
`22:30.05`	`deficite`	`but I tried a few other things too`
`22:30.17`	`Tupone`	`ok ... no skill to debug it ?`
`22:30.17`	`deficite`	`and I can't get it to work`
`22:30.36`	`deficite`	`I think I'm just going to Windoze this. Thanks for the help`
`22:30.56`	`Tupone`	`:( in that case we stay with that error :(`
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`22:33.26`	`brlcad`	`~spell deficite`
`22:33.44`	`JeffM2501`	`when you can't spell "poop" right, that's sad`
`22:35.07`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`22:35.34`	`cosmos`	`hahaha`
`22:36.08`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag or common`
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`22:52.21`	`jolie`	`^_^`
`22:52.35`	`Birdie`	`his heart is melting!`
`22:53.03`	`jolie`	`nah`
`22:53.54`	`Pimpi`	`Birdie: your heart is made of flesh, it may burn if you roast it long enough, but melting...?`
`22:54.29`	`jolie`	`Pimpi: he said HIS not MY`
`22:54.31`	`jolie`	`:D`
`22:54.36`	`Birdie`	`its late for pimpi:)`
`22:54.43`	`Pimpi`	`wirklich, ja...`
`22:54.45`	`jolie`	`ja.. ich weiss`
`22:54.48`	`jolie`	`aber...`
`22:54.48`	`gina`	`ja doch`
`22:54.56`	`gina`	`das geht doch nicht so`
`22:57.33`	`jolie`	`hot schocokuchen :D`
`22:58.03`	`gina`	`Wurst mit Sauerkraut`
`23:01.21`	`[wegstar]`	`...`
`23:01.37`	`*** part/#bzflag gina (~gigi@23-162.241.81.adsl.skynet.be)`
`23:01.51`	`JeffM2501`	`carbon fiber`
`23:01.56`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all streamlined`
`23:02.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and space age`
`23:07.26`	`JeffM2501`	`what's the point of puting crap in a class if all your going to do is use the bloody thing as a namespace?!?!`
`23:08.01`	`brlcad`	`neat piles of steaming goo`
`23:08.33`	`JeffM2501`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`23:21.16`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, can you add a dev?`
`23:22.06`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: probably`
`23:22.20`	`JeffM2501`	`cosmos, so he can test with out waiting for anon`
`23:24.27`	`cosmos`	`purple: my sf id is ddleeds`
`23:24.28`	`cosmos`	`thanks`
`23:25.45`	`trepan`	`and he's already in the Changelog :)`
`23:26.04`	`cosmos`	`??`
`23:26.05`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah didn't think anyone could complain :)`
`23:26.24`	`trepan`	`* Added the SHORTBAN bzfs privilege - Anonymous, Daniel Leeds`
`23:26.39`	`cosmos`	`ahh must be my other sf account i cant remember heh`
`23:28.26`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: i'm kind of busy with work right now. i'll get to it in a few hours`
`23:28.35`	`cosmos`	`no prob thanks`
`23:34.05`	`SportyGal`	`ciao`
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