| 00:13.44 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 00:20.12 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA (~chatzilla@dialup-4.129.84.176.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 00:20.30 | BIYA | I can't go to bzbb.bzflag.org!!! |
| 00:20.59 | BIYA | or the List server on bzflag |
| 00:21.07 | shorty114 | that's cuz it's my.bzflag.org/bb/ now? |
| 00:21.22 | BIYA | hmm |
| 00:21.23 | shorty114 | actually, i think all of bzflag.org is down |
| 00:21.40 | shorty114 | except for the main bzflag.org |
| 00:21.44 | BIYA | That's what I thought |
| 00:21.51 | BIYA | why is it? |
| 00:21.54 | shorty114 | my.bzflag.org and bzbb.bzflag.org i can't reach |
| 00:21.55 | shorty114 | dunno |
| 00:22.05 | shorty114 | Nidhoggr's the one that hosts them |
| 00:22.11 | shorty114 | maybe a server's down |
| 00:22.16 | brad2901 | bzflag.org is hosted by sf |
| 00:22.43 | BIYA | Its weird cause I can connect to the servers by manully typing them in though |
| 00:22.56 | brad2901 | Why is that weird? :) |
| 00:23.07 | BIYA | Dunno.. Wait brad are you busy? |
| 00:23.10 | brad2901 | If the list server is down, that's norman |
| 00:23.14 | brad2901 | no.. |
| 00:23.16 | brad2901 | :) |
| 00:23.42 | BIYA | good go to biya.servegame.org:5154 If you are a starwars fan |
| 00:23.55 | shorty114 | big "if" there |
| 00:23.56 | shorty114 | ;) |
| 00:24.07 | brad2901 | I'm not, but i'll go anyway.. |
| 00:24.19 | BIYA | Doesnt matter |
| 00:24.44 | shorty114 | heh |
| 00:25.02 | brad2901 | ~bzfquery biya.servegame.org:5154 |
| 00:25.08 | brad2901 | .. |
| 00:25.16 | BIYA | thats weird |
| 00:25.19 | brad2901 | Is the server up? |
| 00:25.20 | BIYA | oooooooooooo |
| 00:25.49 | BIYA | :) forgot to update my ip |
| 00:25.56 | brad2901 | heh |
| 00:26.04 | BIYA | need to get used to that |
| 00:28.32 | BIYA | quick go to it |
| 00:28.32 | BIYA | quick quick quick |
| 00:28.40 | brad2901 | k |
| 00:29.03 | brad2901 | big map + dial-up = bad |
| 00:29.12 | BIYA | :) |
| 00:29.19 | BIYA | 5mb meshe |
| 00:29.23 | brad2901 | ow |
| 00:29.30 | brad2901 | I have a long wait .. |
| 00:29.46 | BIYA | Anyway... its a AT-AT and some Tie Fighters attackning it |
| 00:30.12 | BIYA | You dont have to wait |
| 00:30.13 | BIYA | I need to log off soon anyway |
| 00:30.18 | brad2901 | ... |
| 00:30.20 | brad2901 | ok |
| 00:30.48 | brad2901 | ok, cya |
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| 00:41.55 | Nidhoggr | listserver seems to be running on the box and getting connections. |
| 00:41.55 | Nidhoggr | looks like there might be network problems. |
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| 00:42.04 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 00:42.27 | Nidhoggr | listserver problem is probably network related. my connection to irc just timed out. |
| 00:48.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/PyBZDB.cpp: add 'GetBool', 'GetDouble' and 'GetInt' methods to the BZDB object, for hooking into BZDB's evaluation |
| 01:13.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyBZFlag.cpp PyBZFlag.h): refactor stuff out into a function to dramatically reduce code size |
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| 01:59.50 | SportChick | my bzflag just crashed again |
| 02:10.24 | Thumper_ | SportChick: new cvs version? |
| 02:20.44 | SportChick | Thumper_: a special build that dtr & tupone did for me |
| 02:20.52 | SportChick | I forget which one did this exact version |
| 02:21.13 | SportChick | I am now jitter-free, but still experiencing some HUD lag and definitely crashing a lot |
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| 02:30.53 | Thumper_ | SportChick: today's CVS (linux/debian ATI Radeon9000 XFree DRI drivers) is crashing alot for me too - locks X solid, 2.0.2 doesn't do that |
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| 02:38.46 | spldart | Did Hepcat go Tango Uniform? |
| 02:39.42 | SportChick | Thumper_: I'm on windows |
| 02:40.41 | Thumper_ | SportChick: yes I know :) |
| 02:40.52 | spldart | ~query hepcat.org:5154 |
| 02:41.40 | spldart | ~query bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 02:41.41 | Thumper_ | spldart: seems dead to me |
| 02:41.45 | spldart | wow |
| 02:41.53 | spldart | was a good game too |
| 02:42.17 | spldart | ~query spldart.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 02:42.23 | spldart | Am I doing that right? |
| 02:42.44 | Thumper_ | I dunno - I'm trying to connect with BZFLag client and it fails |
| 02:42.58 | Thumper_ | ~query bzflag.norang.ca:5158 |
| 02:42.59 | spldart | IC... thanks for the confirmation |
| 02:43.12 | Thumper_ | ~bzfquery bzflag.norang.ca:5158 |
| 02:43.30 | spldart | ~bzfquery hepcat.org:5154 |
| 02:43.33 | Thumper_ | so I guess you're doing it wrong ;) |
| 02:43.44 | spldart | Still... hrm |
| 02:43.49 | spldart | lemme try again |
| 02:43.51 | spldart | ;) |
| 02:43.56 | Thumper_ | it's up now |
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| 02:53.07 | spldart | It's fragged again |
| 02:53.19 | spldart | Only got 6 people and then all went unresponsive |
| 02:53.52 | spldart | Although it did let me do a flag capture while everyone was spinning in there grey bubbles |
| 02:53.57 | spldart | ;-p |
| 02:55.21 | spldart | ~bzfquery hepcat.org:5154 |
| 02:55.27 | spldart | hrm |
| 02:55.45 | spldart | ~bzfquery spldart.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 02:55.59 | spldart | kew |
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| 04:09.14 | purple_cow | brlcad: ick |
| 04:35.02 | menotume | ick ? |
| 04:35.12 | menotume | ohh, i c |
| 04:50.57 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8374 10bzfs-plugins/webadmin/ (Overview.py Template.py): yay, it no longer bombs out |
| 05:17.10 | jomojo | what is the /set command to increase a tanks turning speed? |
| 05:19.13 | MeBigFatGuy | type /set |
| 05:19.23 | MeBigFatGuy | by itself to see all the variables |
| 05:20.36 | jomojo | right i see the set commands i am unsure which is the one i want |
| 05:24.22 | MeBigFatGuy | is there one like angVelocity? |
| 05:25.38 | MeBigFatGuy | _angularAd |
| 05:25.46 | jomojo | tankAngVel |
| 05:25.58 | MeBigFatGuy | that oen |
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| 06:13.19 | jomojo | .... |
| 06:13.35 | lan56 | yes? |
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| 08:06.00 | Pimpi | buenos dias _Manu_ |
| 08:09.31 | _Manu_ | hola Pimpi! :) |
| 08:11.32 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, Guten Morgen! |
| 08:11.43 | Birdie | gutentag |
| 08:12.35 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, Es regnet in Strömen :/ |
| 08:12.40 | jolie | morning guys |
| 08:12.44 | jolie | kisses all over :) |
| 08:12.49 | _Manu_ | hola jolie! |
| 08:12.53 | jolie | hola guapo |
| 08:15.21 | ruskie | sheesh |
| 08:18.39 | jolie | jelous? |
| 08:18.41 | jolie | :P |
| 08:20.25 | Pimpi | guten morgen jolie :) |
| 08:20.38 | jolie | morning Pimpi pie :) |
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| 08:21.26 | Pimpi | _Manu_: we have that kind of weather one would expect in spain at this time of year |
| 08:21.43 | jolie | oh here its ... hitting 40 today... |
| 08:21.44 | _Manu_ | sunny? |
| 08:21.53 | jolie | dude hot melting.. |
| 08:21.53 | Pimpi | almost 30° and burning sun |
| 08:21.59 | _Manu_ | great for Alonso :) |
| 08:21.59 | jolie | something whitey germans cant handle :P |
| 08:22.02 | Birdie | well if its 40 degrees, its propably sunny:) |
| 08:22.39 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, we have that kind of weather one would expect in Germany at this time of year ;) |
| 08:30.46 | jolie | change? |
| 08:30.54 | jolie | but its nice hot and warm!!! |
| 08:30.57 | jolie | get a tan!!! |
| 08:34.57 | Pimpi | 1st i hate anything above 25°, 2nd i have to go to my grandma's birthday party in 15 minutes and my relatives are not very entertaining... |
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| 08:36.08 | jolie | well |
| 08:36.23 | jolie | wears shorts and an open shirt... |
| 08:36.28 | jolie | have a cold beer in ur hand.. |
| 08:36.35 | jolie | sit somewhere in a corner.. |
| 08:36.52 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 08:36.58 | jolie | and put aface like if you bug me ... ur take the consecuenses. |
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| 08:37.39 | jolie | if theres a pool somwhere, you can do the same :D |
| 08:38.25 | jolie | los alemansitos no estan ready pa el calor :P con sus pieles tan blakitas jaja , _Manu_ |
| 08:39.00 | _Manu_ | aqui en verano es normal lo de 45 grados :) |
| 08:39.06 | jolie | pa mi tb |
| 08:39.19 | jolie | but whitey germans :P |
| 08:39.21 | jolie | get all red |
| 08:39.23 | Pimpi | unfortunately not, will be kinda formal |
| 08:39.24 | jolie | hah |
| 08:39.31 | jolie | and?? |
| 08:39.39 | jolie | theres always abck door |
| 08:39.40 | Pimpi | maybe having a beer might come true |
| 08:39.44 | jolie | and cold beer |
| 08:39.46 | jolie | :P |
| 08:40.02 | jolie | although you could play im sick huney to ur wife... |
| 08:40.06 | jolie | and ... |
| 08:40.39 | jolie | but yeah.. sucks to be you right now ;) |
| 08:40.47 | jolie | look fordward to the cold beer ;) |
| 08:41.25 | jolie | only germans could make formal bday parties at this weather! |
| 08:44.52 | Pimpi | ack |
| 08:52.00 | CBG | Anyone here have any clue what libcurl is and why i am getting a libcurl error when I run bzfs? |
| 08:53.46 | CBG | It says: LIBCURL: libcurl/7.10.2 OpenSSL/0.9.7b zlib/1.1.4 |
| 08:53.46 | CBG | curl_easy_perform() error: 28 |
| 09:09.48 | Birdie | did i read beer? |
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| 09:18.42 | CBG | So... Is anyone actually here? |
| 09:19.32 | jolie | you think? |
| 09:19.38 | CBG | Hey :) |
| 09:19.38 | jolie | but lemme check for ya ;) |
| 09:19.54 | CBG | Do you know what libcurl error 28 is? |
| 09:20.30 | jolie | im checking ... |
| 09:24.06 | apj | ~google libcurl error 28 |
| 09:27.07 | CBG | CURLE_OPERATION_TIMEOUTED (28) |
| 09:28.19 | CBG | Why is libcurl timing out when I run bzfs? |
| 09:28.51 | CBG | Ah. G2g. |
| 09:28.59 | CBG | Let me know when I am on later/ |
| 09:29.03 | CBG | cheerio. |
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| 11:16.47 | jolie | okay... |
| 11:17.11 | jolie | guyz... time to get some tan! |
| 11:17.11 | jolie | or brownie skin! |
| 11:17.22 | jolie | see you in the evening :P |
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| 12:49.01 | greg1 | plop |
| 12:49.39 | ruskie | flip |
| 12:49.51 | greg1 | flop |
| 12:49.58 | ruskie | glob |
| 12:50.04 | greg1 | mmmmmmmh |
| 12:50.06 | greg1 | glub |
| 12:50.36 | ruskie | ... |
| 12:50.44 | ruskie | !!!THE DOT GAME!!! |
| 12:50.45 | guu | ruskie: Huwwwwat!!?!?! |
| 12:50.47 | greg1 | ouch ... this is a hard one |
| 12:51.45 | greg1 | ¤¤¤¤ |
| 12:51.54 | ruskie | ............. |
| 12:52.01 | greg1 | I give up |
| 12:52.05 | ruskie | :)) |
| 12:52.07 | greg1 | can't do better |
| 12:52.29 | greg1 | SportChick ! |
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| 13:18.40 | greg1 | oh, it has been a long time...is TLZ still playing ? |
| 13:24.59 | ruskie | you mean texas hunter? |
| 13:27.07 | greg1 | no, TLZ with Fanta, Ginku and I don't remember the others |
| 13:27.41 | ruskie | hmmm iirc Texas Hunter has [TLZ] somewhere in his nick... |
| 13:28.29 | CBG | TLZ is the team.. |
| 13:28.41 | CBG | Maybe Texas Hunter was on the team... :) |
| 13:29.12 | greg1 | ah probably :) |
| 13:29.53 | ruskie | :) |
| 13:31.02 | greg1 | ok ... I m off to bed |
| 13:32.42 | greg1 | don't forget to tidy the battleground after your play ;) |
| 13:34.00 | orchid | Louman is on a rampage |
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| 14:11.13 | learner | ahh, missed greg |
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| 14:19.55 | BriBri | Hello is anyone about who setup this irccgi system? |
| 14:21.06 | learner | perhaps |
| 14:21.41 | BriBri | I am trying toset one up on my homepage, but keep getting server errors |
| 14:22.02 | BriBri | the help on irc-cgis site is a little lacking |
| 14:22.09 | BriBri | :( |
| 14:23.09 | learner | did you check your server log? |
| 14:23.12 | *** join/#bzflag bz4501 (~53e1f0c2@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 14:23.15 | learner | it should have more detail than that |
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| 14:24.49 | learner | more than likely, you don't have .cgi's set up in your apache config or on that directory at least, or you don't have /usr/bin/perl or somesuch |
| 14:25.04 | Tupone | hi brlcad |
| 14:25.04 | BriBri | looking |
| 14:25.08 | Tupone | or learner |
| 14:25.15 | learner | morning Tupone |
| 14:25.19 | Tupone | or who are you :) |
| 14:26.01 | learner | if I knew the answer to that, I would be one question short of a happy meal |
| 14:27.32 | BriBri | I got a premature end of headers on irc.cgi |
| 14:28.09 | learner | in your error or access log? |
| 14:28.25 | BriBri | error log |
| 14:31.40 | learner | what happens if you just run the irc.cgi file? |
| 14:32.51 | BriBri | I can't I am not on a linux box |
| 14:33.09 | BriBri | the web server is (of course) |
| 14:33.18 | BriBri | I donot have shell access |
| 14:33.30 | learner | that's what I mean.. hop on there and just try to run the script directly |
| 14:33.50 | learner | it should dump out the html for the login page if it's set up correctly |
| 14:34.27 | learner | if it's not, then you know it's probably either something wrong with your perl setup or something wrong in your cgi:irc setup |
| 14:35.09 | BriBri | k thanks thats a start |
| 14:35.40 | BriBri | wow you certainly do sponser the lurkers in here, goodness |
| 14:36.05 | trepan | and off-topic crashers :) |
| 14:36.15 | BriBri | well have fun with battle zone, sorry to go so off topic, this was just the first irc-cgi site i found ;) |
| 14:36.56 | BriBri | yep thats me : tehhhehehe |
| 14:37.06 | BriBri | have a great day everyone. |
| 14:37.10 | *** part/#bzflag BriBri (~409a1afb@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 14:37.11 | learner | http://irc.brlcad.org there that can be the second you found ;) |
| 14:37.15 | learner | ahh, too late |
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| 14:45.58 | Tupone | ciao |
| 14:46.48 | Tupone | >:-( |
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| 14:47.07 | trepan | with a face like that, no wonder she left |
| 14:47.17 | Tupone | I did after :) |
| 14:47.19 | orchid | hello |
| 14:47.26 | trepan | >:-( |
| 14:47.30 | Tupone | lol |
| 14:47.31 | learner | heh |
| 14:47.44 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
| 14:50.50 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~neo@host-84-222-185-53.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 14:56.31 | learner | ~translate it en brevettare |
| 14:56.38 | learner | ahhh |
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| 15:20.11 | ToughShooter | Hmm, is it meant to get a message "Got shot by $player with $yourflag"? |
| 15:21.32 | Tupone | ToughShooter, we fixed yesterday |
| 15:21.37 | ToughShooter | I wonder why I always see my flag mentioned instead of the enemys one |
| 15:22.11 | ToughShooter | Hmm, could it be latency in annon-cvs? |
| 15:22.36 | Tupone | nope ... it has been more then 12 hours |
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| 15:27.28 | ToughShooter | Seems to work |
| 15:29.51 | ToughShooter | How about a better indicator for team flags? Like arrows with dynamic colors pointing to it |
| 15:30.12 | Tupone | or a full Red or Green instead of R* |
| 15:30.27 | Tupone | or G* |
| 15:30.54 | ToughShooter | yeah, but I've got more problems finding team flags :/ |
| 15:31.02 | learner | http://www.faceoffphiladelphia.com/ |
| 15:31.06 | learner | hmm |
| 15:31.08 | learner | ~ww |
| 15:31.09 | ibot | Tee hee .. idiot. |
| 15:32.12 | menotume | learner: have 'we' discussed the radar-size GUI option yet ? :D |
| 15:32.29 | ToughShooter | Something like arrows 'round team flag that are moving would be cute |
| 15:33.06 | ToughShooter | or changing from team color to rogue and back to team color and so on |
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| 15:53.50 | orchid | whats the max radar size via the config file? |
| 15:54.39 | orchid | menotume: you want the gui radar slider to go to the same max as the conf file has right? |
| 15:56.24 | menotume | orchid: the current max is 10 or 11 |
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| 15:56.36 | menotume | my patch increases that to 30 |
| 15:57.12 | menotume | previous versions were probably limited due to the menu rendering problems, but that has been fixed |
| 15:57.39 | menotume | in any case, there are some players who edit their configs to set radar size above 11 |
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| 15:58.13 | menotume | puutting the option in the GUI MENU would allow ALL players to have the abaility, even if they don't know how to edit their config :) |
| 15:58.22 | orchid | right |
| 15:58.45 | orchid | thats better i think, as long as th menus are readable, which you fixed |
| 15:59.04 | menotume | learner did the final fix, but yes, correct |
| 15:59.10 | menotume | thx for your input |
| 16:01.00 | menotume | try my patch :) |
| 16:01.00 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzrender/GuiOptionsMenu.diff |
| 16:01.19 | menotume | or, in config: set radarsize 30 |
| 16:01.40 | menotume | 30 is BIGGGGG (2/3 of screen or so) |
| 16:01.56 | menotume | but, I know of some players who have used 28 for quite some time |
| 16:06.42 | learner | oof |
| 16:07.16 | learner | there is no max via the config file |
| 16:07.58 | brlcad | oof |
| 16:08.18 | menotume | hmmm, i should try 100 to see what happens :) |
| 16:09.14 | learner | it's like all the other settings that are not bounds checked.. you should eventually hoze something in the ogl pipe |
| 16:09.31 | learner | or it'll be no different than looking at some corner of the radar |
| 16:11.05 | menotume | another reason for the patch is that for people who edit their config, if you change the slider in GUI OPTIONS/radar size, it will overwrite the entry you made in the config |
| 16:11.10 | learner | i have no objections to making it bigger myself, though I'd probably stop at a max that's the opposite of it's min |
| 16:11.38 | learner | i wouldn't call that a reason for making it bigger :) |
| 16:11.46 | learner | it's just a side effect of editing the config file directly |
| 16:11.57 | learner | that will happen for just about anything |
| 16:11.59 | menotume | welll, for those who edit, it's a pain |
| 16:12.24 | menotume | max that's the opposite of it's min ... is probably around 32 or so |
| 16:12.38 | learner | the "fix" for that would be to disallow edits that you can't get via the gui |
| 16:13.04 | menotume | that would tick some people off :) |
| 16:13.26 | menotume | but, yes, agreed |
| 16:13.29 | learner | it should be doing that anyways actually |
| 16:13.39 | learner | and yeah, it would upset those that are editing |
| 16:14.07 | learner | but there's lots of bounds checking that "should" be happening that aren't right now and that's one of them |
| 16:14.19 | menotume | so, take away a whole bunch of options, or add a whole bunch to the config menus |
| 16:14.25 | menotume | like, radarzooms |
| 16:14.47 | menotume | auto-identify, etc, etc |
| 16:15.00 | learner | those are things that should be on the menus anyways |
| 16:15.22 | learner | they're not just becuase their implementers are good at providing a 90% solution :) |
| 16:15.28 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:15.38 | menotume | or, we don't want to confuse the new players |
| 16:15.47 | learner | which in reality is probably only 50% at best |
| 16:16.18 | learner | nah, it can be done cleanly and in a manner that's not confusing -- plenty of games do everything we do and more |
| 16:16.37 | learner | it just takes a lot of thought on the design |
| 16:16.46 | learner | our menu-based config system is not exactly ideal |
| 16:16.59 | learner | limited controls |
| 16:17.15 | learner | relatively difficult to add anything more than checkboxes and sliders in a list |
| 16:17.26 | menotume | yes |
| 16:18.06 | menotume | auto-identifies would be a major PITA, not to mention is not really needed now (global logins) |
| 16:18.23 | learner | not needed? |
| 16:18.39 | learner | ah, you mean the local auth system |
| 16:18.46 | menotume | well, only needed for servers which don't use global login now |
| 16:18.47 | learner | dunno, I think it's still needed |
| 16:18.50 | menotume | yes |
| 16:19.16 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.20 | learner | even for global login servers, that's one thing that really should have been implemented more carefully and better integrated into the gui from the start |
| 16:19.40 | learner | i mean you have to leave the game and go to some website to fill in fields for the game |
| 16:19.43 | learner | that is so backwards |
| 16:20.03 | menotume | would be difficult - need one for each server/port |
| 16:20.15 | menotume | hmmm? |
| 16:20.21 | menotume | oh, for the first time |
| 16:20.25 | menotume | gotya |
| 16:20.27 | learner | not necessarily, you could do it with a profile manager |
| 16:20.47 | learner | for either local or global login, but especially for the latter |
| 16:21.00 | menotume | i'm confused |
| 16:21.17 | learner | a profile page that lets me set a name password, favorite servers, preferences |
| 16:21.24 | menotume | for global, one needs only one callsign/password |
| 16:21.45 | menotume | for local, you could have a different password for ever server/port |
| 16:21.48 | learner | not necessarily -- I would hate to always play as "learner" |
| 16:22.02 | learner | sometimes I can barely play that way |
| 16:22.08 | menotume | well, ok, you can have a few i suppose |
| 16:22.13 | menotume | lol |
| 16:22.42 | learner | yet there's no reason why they can't be connected together either like irc nicks |
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| 16:22.58 | learner | but that simply requires more work on the backend |
| 16:23.04 | menotume | right |
| 16:23.11 | Pimpi | well, we suggested it but Tim refused, no? |
| 16:23.17 | menotume | and some people would take all the good names :) |
| 16:23.38 | Pimpi | i remember it pretty well |
| 16:23.50 | learner | and you could/should do that for each server with profiles (server and player profiles) |
| 16:24.14 | learner | Pimpi, didn't exactly refuse -- just didn't want to do the work |
| 16:24.16 | menotume | right-o, gotya |
| 16:24.42 | Pimpi | maybe |
| 16:24.44 | learner | he rarely ever plays and when he does, he's quite happy with everyone knowing who he is |
| 16:24.51 | learner | dunno ego boost or something |
| 16:25.01 | Pimpi | hehe |
| 16:25.31 | learner | but for others, playing under different name is often part of the fun too (not just admins/cops/old players/etc) |
| 16:25.35 | Pimpi | maybe he's just playing regulary and nobody knows |
| 16:25.46 | learner | yeah right |
| 16:25.57 | learner | have you played against him? :) |
| 16:26.16 | Pimpi | one, years ago |
| 16:26.24 | Pimpi | once |
| 16:26.34 | Pimpi | if it was him |
| 16:27.21 | learner | regardless, say they just become independant profiles |
| 16:27.35 | learner | then they are still akin to creating an rpg character in another game |
| 16:27.50 | learner | it would be nice to be able to manage them that way in the game |
| 16:28.37 | learner | create new tank profiles (i.e. create new accounts on bzbb), manage your prefs |
| 16:28.59 | learner | set default servers, default team preferences |
| 16:29.25 | learner | in the long run, you could have friends/foes lists (auto-ignore, etc) |
| 16:30.01 | Pimpi | wouldn't it be easier to follow tupones kerberos thing then? |
| 16:30.45 | learner | profiles are rather independant of the actual accounts/login mechanism |
| 16:31.11 | Pimpi | all this could be implemented way easier that way than spending work on a system that was originall created to provide something totally different |
| 16:31.12 | learner | though it would/will probably be easier than talking to bzbb via http for in-game registration |
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| 16:31.25 | learner | and there he is |
| 16:31.33 | Tupone | who is there ? |
| 16:31.43 | learner | shhh.. don't mention kerberos, he gets touchy :) |
| 16:31.47 | Pimpi | get him, bind him |
| 16:32.01 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 16:32.16 | learner | Tupone, just talking about auth system and user profiles and how kerberos would have made a lot of this a lot easier |
| 16:32.18 | Tupone | kerberos? what is ? |
| 16:32.27 | learner | instead of the half-implemented klunky system we have now |
| 16:32.45 | Tupone | and having password go in clear to listserver |
| 16:34.01 | learner | hmm.. |
| 16:34.01 | Tupone | dinner time? |
| 16:34.01 | menotume | yummy |
| 16:34.01 | learner | weren't we talking about something else? :) |
| 16:34.07 | learner | oh yeah, radar :) |
| 16:34.12 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:34.42 | menotume | you know, if we don't allow peeps to set their radar bigger, no one will see all the great work learner did :) |
| 16:34.42 | Pimpi | hmm, you wan't to limit radar size? |
| 16:34.45 | learner | Tupone, what are your thoughts on letting the radar become 75% of the screen? |
| 16:34.56 | Pimpi | many players will mourn about that |
| 16:34.59 | learner | all for/against? don't care? |
| 16:35.09 | menotume | very mouch for |
| 16:35.19 | Tupone | no? I don't like it . 100 %, overlay, that will be ood |
| 16:35.23 | menotume | can already be done, with the config, players already use it |
| 16:35.23 | Tupone | good even |
| 16:35.27 | learner | Pimpi, no, the discussion is whether to let it become bigger via the config menu |
| 16:36.19 | Pimpi | sure, usually takes a while until new players get the hint |
| 16:36.26 | learner | for all intensive purposes, editing a config file is not a "supported" mode of operation and should not be relied upon for any behavior (no matter how desireable) |
| 16:36.53 | menotume | but ATM, editing the config is the ONLY way to get some things |
| 16:37.02 | menotume | long term, i agree though\ |
| 16:37.40 | learner | perhaps, that just means there's a hacked way to make it work the way someone wants, though |
| 16:37.41 | Pimpi | it's like the fast mouse discussion, it's no cheating, but ppl feel like being cheated when they hear that others use t |
| 16:37.41 | menotume | yes |
| 16:37.41 | learner | it could just as easily do something that could be considered cheating for other options too |
| 16:37.49 | learner | like a debug flag that displays tank labels |
| 16:37.50 | Pimpi | so just give it to all and everything is fair |
| 16:38.10 | menotume | yes, that is my position |
| 16:38.31 | menotume | either give it to all thru the menu, or take it away thru range checking |
| 16:38.34 | learner | it's already been discussed that big radars are "okay" |
| 16:38.41 | menotume | the latter will make some people verrrrry mad |
| 16:38.43 | learner | it's probably just a matter of timing and implementation |
| 16:38.45 | Pimpi | oh, there's such a flag? |
| 16:39.09 | learner | there's no point to providing a 75% radar is nobody is going to play like that or if it really messed up the rendering |
| 16:39.37 | menotume | some people have used size 28 for over a yera now :) |
| 16:39.44 | orchid | many ctf players will play with as much radar as possible |
| 16:39.45 | Pimpi | there are definately players using 75% radar |
| 16:39.48 | menotume | even with putting up with the old rendering probs |
| 16:39.48 | Tupone | RB will like that |
| 16:40.35 | learner | the point is, though, is that does everything actually still work with a radar that big? |
| 16:40.35 | Pimpi | i explained my whole team how to do that |
| 16:40.38 | orchid | if i could swap out the window with radar i would, and a small out the window view where the radar currently is |
| 16:40.41 | learner | if not, that's stuff that would have to be fixed |
| 16:40.57 | Pimpi | i think it works |
| 16:41.08 | learner | i know the radar itself works |
| 16:41.08 | menotume | my vote s to put it in CVS, let people test it |
| 16:41.12 | Pimpi | i don't use it myself though |
| 16:41.26 | learner | it's whether things like the menu, the scores, the kill messages, etc are all messed up |
| 16:41.27 | menotume | have you tried it Pimpi ? |
| 16:41.36 | Pimpi | yeah, didn'tlike it |
| 16:41.40 | Tupone | that way it will become a 2D game |
| 16:41.52 | menotume | Pimpi, what radar size do you use ? |
| 16:41.57 | menotume | I guees 10 or 11 |
| 16:42.01 | Pimpi | default iirc |
| 16:43.05 | Pimpi | set radarsize 6 |
| 16:43.09 | menotume | wow |
| 16:43.23 | Birdie | how do you dodge bullets with so small radar? |
| 16:43.53 | Tupone | I'd prefer a tactical overlay like the fighter |
| 16:43.56 | learner | ultimately, there are three features "to be added" .. larger radar size via menu, swapping radar with 3D, and a map overlay |
| 16:44.16 | Pimpi | i dodge more by experience and "feeling" than by looking on radar |
| 16:44.25 | Pimpi | and you know i can dodge ;) |
| 16:44.32 | Birdie | lol:) |
| 16:44.33 | learner | the first and third are relatively easily implementable and implmented, but need a fair bit of testing |
| 16:44.35 | Tupone | the "STRENGHT" |
| 16:45.05 | learner | Pimpi uses the force, Luke |
| 16:45.07 | Birdie | so you more guess where bullets come? |
| 16:45.13 | Pimpi | everybody is easy prey from behind, no? |
| 16:45.18 | Tupone | well ok, force :) |
| 16:45.18 | Pimpi | yeah |
| 16:45.18 | Birdie | i wished i was as lucky as you are:) |
| 16:45.32 | menotume | not if u use radar :) |
| 16:45.49 | Pimpi | oh, i use it |
| 16:45.58 | menotume | hehe, i know :) |
| 16:46.16 | Tupone | I use the standard size, too ... and I'm killed a lot :) |
| 16:46.22 | menotume | PImpi, what size monitor / resolution ? |
| 16:46.53 | learner | menotume, so nobody objects it sounds -- add it and we'll see how it works |
| 16:47.05 | Pimpi | learner: why do you think swapping 3D is more complex than the other? |
| 16:47.07 | menotume | ok, is one commit, easy to remove |
| 16:47.09 | learner | menotume, though can the size hacking be avoided? |
| 16:47.16 | menotume | any objections before i do it ? |
| 16:47.29 | Tupone | test a lot before, and I approve |
| 16:47.31 | learner | i mean the non-linear size adjustment you were doing? |
| 16:47.36 | menotume | learner: I'll add a config file range check |
| 16:47.46 | menotume | oh |
| 16:47.55 | menotume | well, if the slider is made bigger, yes |
| 16:48.10 | menotume | i've been using it |
| 16:48.11 | learner | sure, make it bigger |
| 16:48.17 | menotume | ok |
| 16:48.29 | menotume | shall i add a range check ? |
| 16:48.38 | Pimpi | menotume: 17'' 1152x864 |
| 16:48.45 | menotume | ahh, ok, thx |
| 16:49.24 | Tupone | I don't care about range check 0-100% is ok to me , but do not move the default size |
| 16:49.44 | menotume | right |
| 16:50.05 | menotume | i mean a range check for if someone puts a valuse in the config that will mess up the GUI |
| 16:50.27 | Tupone | well, what about the chat ? where you put? when is 75 % is badly oriented |
| 16:51.07 | menotume | i think it should be limited to 30 |
| 16:51.31 | menotume | lemme do a screenshot at 30 ... one sec |
| 16:51.57 | Pimpi | would be nice to have the screen split: chat below a screen filling radar |
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| 16:52.52 | Pimpi | <-- work |
| 16:53.20 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/radar30.png |
| 16:54.41 | Birdie | thats a bit to big |
| 16:54.43 | JeffM2501 | that is a big big radar |
| 16:55.08 | menotume | :) |
| 16:55.14 | Tupone | menotume, why you use esd? isn't the audio crappy? |
| 16:55.16 | orchid | perfect |
| 16:55.19 | Birdie | you may use radar play, but at least i would like to see still a bit of my screan |
| 16:55.26 | menotume | Tupone: works for me |
| 16:55.39 | menotume | well, that is with opaque radar |
| 16:55.48 | learner | menotume: maybe 32 for a max then? |
| 16:55.56 | learner | looks good |
| 16:55.58 | Tupone | work with vsync? |
| 16:56.03 | menotume | yes |
| 16:56.05 | orchid | JeffM2501: are pc speakers interchangable? the internal ones, i want switch the one on the server which i never hear, with the one on the desktop as the server has a nicer beep noise |
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| 16:56.22 | learner | 32 should be about the reverse of the default |
| 16:56.27 | menotume | Tupone: what would be better than esd ? |
| 16:56.30 | menotume | alsa ? |
| 16:56.32 | Tupone | it works because esd is given time to mix |
| 16:56.37 | menotume | leaner: yes |
| 16:56.46 | jolie | meno meno <3<3 |
| 16:56.47 | Tupone | alsa normally, but if esd work, you can mix software |
| 16:56.56 | jolie | tupo tupito ;) |
| 16:57.03 | Tupone | jolita |
| 16:57.05 | jolie | and hi learner |
| 16:57.07 | menotume | yes, so i can hear you ping me while i play :) |
| 16:57.09 | learner | hola jolie |
| 16:57.13 | menotume | jolie <3 |
| 16:57.28 | jolie | hola , im BURN :S |
| 16:57.37 | jolie | but brownie, so i dont care... :P |
| 16:57.56 | JeffM2501 | orchid, generaly yeah |
| 16:58.39 | orchid | learner says the beep noise is made by the bios and wont change |
| 16:58.45 | Birdie | do some of you use 'shotlength" (aka a long bullet, a line for bullets) |
| 16:59.02 | orchid | hi jolie |
| 16:59.03 | menotume | ooops, i goofed. That screencap was size 28 |
| 16:59.10 | jolie | girlie pie!!! :*** |
| 16:59.16 | orchid | :) |
| 16:59.17 | menotume | size 30 is opposite of smallest |
| 16:59.51 | learner | i mean if the beep actually just sounds more "clear" or louder, that's one thing, but the noises being sent to it that make it beep aren't going to be changed because you plug in a new speaker |
| 17:00.26 | orchid | well i think your wrong, it will sound beautiful |
| 17:00.45 | jolie | who swrong? |
| 17:00.45 | menotume | learner: if I wanted to make a #define for the '30', where should it go ? |
| 17:01.03 | jolie | orchid: whos wrong? |
| 17:01.07 | learner | menotume, probably hardcoded into the menu like everything else *ahem* |
| 17:01.12 | menotume | lol |
| 17:01.15 | orchid | jolie: learner is wrong :) |
| 17:01.20 | menotume | no header for that kind of stuff |
| 17:01.22 | menotume | ? |
| 17:01.22 | jolie | OH yeah learner is SOO wrong :P |
| 17:01.35 | menotume | no! *I* am wrong |
| 17:01.38 | jolie | ill back you up girlie pie |
| 17:02.16 | Tupone | hehe |
| 17:02.28 | menotume | berrrrweeepuh |
| 17:02.44 | learner | that looks more like a burp than a beep |
| 17:02.59 | menotume | ahhhhhh /e feels better now |
| 17:03.23 | menotume | learner: shall i put a range check in for the config file ? |
| 17:03.24 | learner | menotume, put it in the menu's header file |
| 17:03.39 | Tupone | a define? why not a constant ? |
| 17:03.46 | learner | sure, if you want -- range checks are always good |
| 17:04.03 | menotume | ok, the the #define or const may need to go somewhere else |
| 17:04.22 | learner | though the range check should just clamp, not abort |
| 17:04.46 | learner | yeah, either as a #define in the header or a const int in the menu's class |
| 17:06.10 | menotume | okies |
| 17:06.30 | menotume | but range check (clamp at 30) needs to go elsewhere |
| 17:06.37 | menotume | i'll figure it out :) |
| 17:06.38 | learner | right |
| 17:13.38 | Thumper_ | cods: ping |
| 17:14.04 | cods | pong |
| 17:14.12 | jolie | peng |
| 17:14.19 | jolie | i won! |
| 17:18.51 | Birdie | menotume ping? |
| 17:24.44 | apj | oops, got in the packet's way :/ |
| 17:25.18 | menotume | pong |
| 17:25.49 | menotume | Tupone: I have a stupid question whic will show my c++ ignorance :) |
| 17:26.08 | menotume | how best to make the const for the value of 30 ? |
| 17:26.49 | ToughShooter | ~F |
| 17:26.50 | ibot | ACTION gives toughshooter a big [kiss,hug] |
| 17:27.23 | Birdie | ooh isnt he nice |
| 17:27.41 | ToughShooter | I wanted to know definition of Fahrenheit.. |
| 17:27.58 | Birdie | ~dict Fahrentheit |
| 17:28.07 | Birdie | ~dict F |
| 17:28.32 | ToughShooter | That F thingy is what appeared in my tests |
| 17:28.52 | apj | ~google definition of fahrenheit |
| 17:29.19 | menotume | ~dict Fahrenheit |
| 17:29.57 | ToughShooter | I know what it is, looked it up. Just found ~F funny |
| 17:31.38 | menotume | static const int maxRadarSize = 30; ?? in the header ?? |
| 17:32.32 | menotume | but, no, water freezes at 0 celcius |
| 17:32.48 | apj | speaking of fahrenheit :P |
| 17:32.58 | menotume | we americans just like to make things difficult :) |
| 17:33.17 | apj | i could understand 100° being the human body temperature.. |
| 17:35.27 | menotume | 98.6 makes more sense :) |
| 17:36.08 | apj | well, little inaccurate thermometers so long time ago, and body temperature isn't exactly the same for everybody :) |
| 17:36.14 | menotume | most likely, the system was created before we knew the frezzing/boiling points :) |
| 17:36.43 | apj | i think they had to have some basis to calibrate their thermometers.. |
| 17:36.52 | apj | for celcius it is very obvious.. |
| 17:38.16 | apj | then when it was standardized, it was easier to choose the fairly constant 212°F and 32°F |
| 17:38.34 | apj | but what was the other temperature it was based on in the start.. |
| 17:39.20 | apj | http://www.wiskit.com/marilyn/fahrenheit.html |
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| 17:47.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Allow greater range of radar size setting in GUI Options Menu |
| 17:47.59 | menotume | yay |
| 17:49.29 | apj | menotume breaking the cvs again? ,) |
| 18:00.15 | brlcad | hmm, actually the Fahrenheit scale is one of the few measure in the US that actually generally are more useful than the metric equivalent |
| 18:00.19 | Mayhem | how so? |
| 18:00.27 | Pimpi | really? |
| 18:00.33 | brlcad | it's based on water |
| 18:00.46 | Mayhem | so is celcius |
| 18:00.53 | brlcad | which is rather important for people since weather is based on it an so are our bodies |
| 18:01.01 | Pimpi | oh, i forgot, Celsius isn'? ;) |
| 18:01.01 | brlcad | 0 is cold, 100 is hot |
| 18:01.22 | Birdie | 100C would be very hot:) |
| 18:01.34 | Mayhem | 0 is freezing, 100 is boiling |
| 18:02.09 | Birdie | 100 is cooking water |
| 18:02.26 | Mayhem | how does Fahrenheit fit in then? |
| 18:02.32 | Pimpi | so why is fahrenheit more useful actually? |
| 18:03.03 | Mayhem | 32F = freezing? what a strange number :) |
| 18:03.36 | brlcad | true |
| 18:03.46 | Pimpi | k, you're true to that point, that the metric equivalent would be Kelvin, no? |
| 18:04.05 | Pimpi | Kelvin isn't really useful in everyday use |
| 18:04.08 | brlcad | but in terms of weather, a scale of 0 to 100 is generally more informative |
| 18:04.44 | brlcad | the weather variance in C is much smaller |
| 18:04.49 | Mayhem | what, for people who can't handle -ve numbers? |
| 18:04.58 | Pimpi | yeah, though if i understood you correctly before you prefer Fahrenheit,no? |
| 18:05.08 | Mayhem | can humans actually detect that fine a variation in temperature? |
| 18:05.12 | brlcad | it's not a matter of handling the numbers -- if that were true, sure -- why don't we do everything in Kelvins |
| 18:06.00 | brlcad | for some things, weather in particular I prefer in F, though am fairly used to both |
| 18:06.06 | Mayhem | If Celsius and Fahrenheit weren't established, I'm sure we'd all happily use K |
| 18:06.41 | Mayhem | brlcad, did you first learn F? |
| 18:06.56 | apj | if Kelvin didn't exist either, we would be using "jpa says it is {hot|warm|cold}" |
| 18:07.02 | brlcad | i've used both for years, and just find F to be more instantly relevant for weather |
| 18:07.02 | Mayhem | heh |
| 18:07.27 | Thumper_ | remembering that jpa is Finnish and probably has a higher tolerance for cold than people from Miami |
| 18:07.28 | brlcad | Mayhem: nah, I learned both at the same time at first, then only C for many years, then back to F later on |
| 18:08.14 | Mayhem | brlcad, its unusual to have such even exposure to two different systems. |
| 18:08.17 | apj | Thumper_: well they could wear more clothes then :) |
| 18:09.02 | Mayhem | Humans are incredibly adaptable, as long as they aren't being irritatingly stubborn :) |
| 18:09.03 | brlcad | Mayhem: quite true, though I had the benefit of living in other countries growing up ;) |
| 18:09.08 | Thumper_ | The Finn's I met didn't like Maine in February... |
| 18:09.29 | apj | but fahrenheit was strange.. not to get negative temperatures on winter, he decided == -17°C |
| 18:09.36 | Mayhem | brlcad, cool. Where have you been? |
| 18:09.47 | apj | strange, in finland we have like -25 often :) |
| 18:09.57 | apj | (it the south, -40 in the north) |
| 18:10.01 | Thumper_ | apj: just remember -40 is cold |
| 18:10.23 | Thumper_ | then add LOTS of wind |
| 18:10.39 | Thumper_ | at midnight |
| 18:10.41 | Mayhem | Here in .au, it sometimes gets to 0°C ! |
| 18:10.45 | brlcad | the opposite it true of distances too -- a meter/kilometer is more adapted scale to me than the yard/mile even though I'm far more comfortable with the latter |
| 18:11.10 | orange | perhaps you prefer the ones with finer granularity |
| 18:11.14 | brlcad | Mayhem: mainly germany, panama, jordan |
| 18:11.20 | Mayhem | ooh |
| 18:11.56 | Mayhem | brlcad, I grew up with meter/kilometer, but after a while in the UK was comfortable with miles |
| 18:12.58 | Mayhem | at the supermarket, everything is labelled in both lb/kg, to keep everyone happy :) |
| 18:13.28 | brlcad | more comfortable with a metric mile, that's easy to recognize being a runner ;) |
| 18:14.05 | brlcad | just under four laps around the track |
| 18:14.35 | Mayhem | when flying in a plane, vertical distance is in feet, horizontal in meters. Except Russia use meters for both. |
| 18:15.04 | Mayhem | s/meter/metre/ |
| 18:15.07 | Mayhem | :) |
| 18:15.23 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:16.01 | Mayhem | What I don't understand, is why we aren't all using @beat time :) |
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| 18:16.11 | Mayhem | hey orchid |
| 18:16.26 | orchid | hello |
| 18:16.51 | Mayhem | what is your favourite unit of temperature measurement? |
| 18:16.56 | brlcad | hogshead per furlongs |
| 18:17.21 | orchid | C |
| 18:17.22 | Mayhem | excellent, ISO standard all the way :) |
| 18:17.31 | brlcad | Mayhem: as you pointed out, that's a rather loaded question unless you've used both for years :) |
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| 18:18.16 | Mayhem | yes, you tend not to get an impartial answer :) |
| 18:18.18 | brlcad | and by use, I mean having to need to use one versus the other, not knowing the difference |
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| 18:19.28 | Mayhem | how do you cope with paper size? Is A4 making inroads in your area? |
| 18:21.20 | Mayhem | I'm sure kelvin likes you too :) |
| 18:21.52 | JeffM2501 | kelvin is a bastard, allways dealing in absolutes |
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| 18:22.35 | TLF | hi all |
| 18:22.38 | menotume | hehe |
| 18:22.50 | orchid | hi tlf |
| 18:22.51 | brlcad | Mayhem: not in the least |
| 18:22.52 | TLF | it's possible to change between all, chat, server... tabs? |
| 18:23.12 | blast007 | Shift + F1 to F4 |
| 18:23.22 | TLF | oh, blast007 thanks! :-)) |
| 18:23.26 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:23.40 | Mayhem | kelvin is just cheerful, always positive |
| 18:26.00 | menotume | lol @ Mayhem |
| 18:32.16 | brlcad | http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52561.html |
| 18:32.28 | brlcad | fun fun |
| 18:37.12 | Mayhem | good stuff |
| 18:40.40 | brlcad | part of why I find F somewhat more intuitive than C given the 0 to 100 range (er 96) even if imprecise |
| 18:41.12 | brlcad | my body temp is roughly on one end (hot), and on the other is where I start freezing from exposure (cold) ;) |
| 18:41.59 | Mayhem | Indeed. I rarely use a C value greater than 35 |
| 18:42.38 | brlcad | easier to rank my "comfort" on a scale of 0 to 100 than one of -15 to 40 |
| 18:43.37 | Mayhem | but C makes 'its below zero outside - its cold!' easy |
| 18:43.48 | brlcad | hehe |
| 18:43.52 | brlcad | true |
| 18:44.28 | brlcad | it would probably be interesting to rerank a new scale with pure water freezing for zero to body temperature for 100 |
| 18:44.45 | Mayhem | body temp is a bit variable though |
| 18:45.10 | Mayhem | are you going to donate your body for standardisation? |
| 18:45.17 | brlcad | but of course |
| 18:45.24 | Mayhem | I need recalibration... |
| 18:45.31 | brlcad | it'd be based on my temperature alone and in real-time |
| 18:45.37 | Mayhem | lol |
| 18:45.42 | brlcad | so if I have the flu, look out |
| 18:46.32 | Mayhem | hey, if you get the flu, it gets cooler for everyone else |
| 18:47.29 | Mayhem | ToughShooter, you started this? I thought we were just having idle conversation... |
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| 18:48.16 | jolie | !!!! ^_^ |
| 18:48.16 | guu | jolie: are you 10? |
| 18:48.22 | jolie | uhm.. |
| 18:48.51 | ToughShooter | Mayhem: Yup, started it via saying "~F". |
| 18:49.25 | ToughShooter | jolie: "!" is indicator for guu, like "~" is for ibot |
| 18:49.34 | Mayhem | some of us are easily set off... |
| 18:50.13 | jolie | ah |
| 18:50.56 | brlcad | that and you sounded like you are 10 ;) |
| 18:51.10 | Mayhem | heh |
| 18:51.27 | Mayhem | but ^_^ isn't a sound... I hope |
| 18:51.35 | jolie | uhm... |
| 18:51.44 | brlcad | it's a madonna impression, no? |
| 18:53.21 | jolie | HIM!?!?! |
| 18:53.25 | jolie | H I M !?! |
| 18:53.27 | jolie | >=( |
| 18:53.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:53.32 | jolie | im not a he... |
| 18:53.35 | brlcad | see, 10 :) |
| 18:53.39 | jolie | bah |
| 18:53.41 | Mayhem | I was referring to myself actually... |
| 18:53.44 | jolie | ah |
| 18:54.02 | Mayhem | yup |
| 18:54.05 | BearPerson | 10 |
| 18:54.06 | jolie | well my opinion abour sean is... not decide yet... |
| 18:54.11 | jolie | that dude is way.. complex. |
| 18:54.12 | brlcad | took a while to find it ? |
| 18:54.23 | Mayhem | laptop... |
| 18:54.27 | Mayhem | ;) |
| 18:54.27 | brlcad | ahh :) |
| 18:54.47 | brlcad | jolie: complex? I'm pretty simple |
| 18:55.15 | Mayhem | simple sean |
| 18:55.51 | jolie | yeah all cpmplex guys goe with the im simple motto |
| 18:55.53 | jolie | :P |
| 18:56.04 | jolie | however... |
| 18:56.05 | brlcad | http://db.bzflag.bz/tmp/woman&men.jpg |
| 18:56.09 | Mayhem | that spelling is complex... |
| 18:56.15 | jolie | heh |
| 18:56.26 | jolie | i need a beer |
| 18:56.27 | jolie | so... |
| 18:57.03 | Mayhem | indeed, complexity, like insanity, is relative |
| 19:00.10 | apj | brlcad: :D |
| 19:00.30 | brlcad | what about being a complexly insane relative? |
| 19:02.29 | Mayhem | blissful pain? |
| 19:04.38 | brlcad | yup |
| 19:04.55 | brlcad | sweet badness |
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| 19:33.05 | Pimpi | brlcad: do you have a larger version of that men&women that can be used to print it on poster size? ;) |
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| 20:23.29 | JeffM2501 | who did the dynamic plugin command thingy? |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM2501 | oh I did |
| 20:23.48 | JeffM2501 | opps : |
| 20:24.07 | brad2901 | lol |
| 20:24.10 | BearPerson | hehehe |
| 20:24.40 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM2501 | nope just retarded |
| 20:25.33 | JeffM2501 | forgot where I left everything off at |
| 20:26.55 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: couple questions for ya |
| 20:26.59 | purple_cow | 1. can you add API to set BZDB vars? |
| 20:27.37 | purple_cow | 2. how do things like bz_GetPlayerSpawnPosEventData expect their data to be passed back to bzfs (does the plugin just set values inside the object?) |
| 20:28.34 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, 1) sure, just let me finish converting things to char* |
| 20:28.43 | JeffM2501 | 2) yes, you edit the data in the class |
| 20:28.56 | JeffM2501 | then it will be passed to maybe other plugins |
| 20:29.07 | JeffM2501 | and in when they are all done, it uses it |
| 20:32.22 | purple_cow | ok |
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| 20:55.55 | JeffM2501 | bahh the code is so much cleaner when I was able to use STL :( |
| 20:56.18 | purple_cow | let's just rewrite the whole thing! |
| 20:56.37 | JeffM2501 | pondering it |
| 20:56.44 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 20:56.48 | JeffM2501 | any paradigm ideas? |
| 20:57.47 | purple_cow | paradigm ideas? |
| 20:58.02 | JeffM2501 | ideas on how to do the API better |
| 20:58.07 | JeffM2501 | instead of what I did |
| 20:58.13 | purple_cow | heh, i wasn't talking about the API ;) |
| 20:58.15 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 20:58.20 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:58.23 | JeffM2501 | well |
| 20:58.30 | JeffM2501 | you know me and remaking it |
| 21:07.38 | brlcad | Pimpi: alas, no I do not |
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| 21:11.59 | Pimpi | brlcad: :( |
| 21:14.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyBZFlag.cpp binding-thoughts): stub out the rest of the "general" API functions. include a note in binding-thoughts about possibly moving some of these into the Player class |
| 21:21.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyBZFlag.cpp PyPlayer.cpp binding-thoughts): actually, since it's so easy, move things like Kick() and Kill() into the Player class right now |
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| 21:32.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/PyPlayer.cpp: implement Player.Kill() |
| 21:33.04 | purple_cow | yay for the python API looking a lot higher-level than the C++ API :) |
| 21:33.16 | jolie | :D |
| 21:36.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/PyPlayer.cpp: give all the player functions keyword mode |
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| 21:38.45 | purple_cow | egads |
| 21:38.48 | purple_cow | i just got a terrifying idea |
| 21:39.32 | DTRemenak | you can't scare me! |
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| 21:40.10 | purple_cow | DTRemenak: ok, so it's pretty easy to embed a web server inside bzfs using python and twisted, right? there's no reason i couldn't add a python shell to a web page in there that let you control things in the server |
| 21:41.11 | purple_cow | sure i can't scare you? :) |
| 21:41.34 | DTRemenak | that's not scary, that's nifty :) |
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| 21:45.43 | CBG | nifty doesnt come close. :P lol |
| 21:47.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/PyPlayer.cpp: implement Player.Kick() and Player.RemoveFlag() |
| 21:50.14 | brlcad | yay for wireless and a beautiful day |
| 21:55.10 | CBG | ~dict vertibre |
| 21:55.22 | CBG | ~dict invertibre |
| 21:55.22 | BearPerson | ~dict vertebra |
| 21:55.32 | BearPerson | bwuahaha |
| 21:55.38 | CBG | :) Just checking. |
| 21:56.10 | CBG | Someone said vertibre to me: I thought either they ment wertebra or they knew a word I didn't. :) |
| 21:56.25 | CBG | s/wertebra/vertebra |
| 21:57.31 | BearPerson | I see :) |
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| 21:57.49 | CBG | I don't; its too dark. |
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| 21:59.19 | BearPerson | no, light bulbs don't go there |
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| 22:04.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/PyBZFlag.cpp: implement BZFlag.DebugMessage() |
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| 22:07.48 | shorty114 | CBG: why did you PM me and CTCP TIME me? |
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| 22:08.11 | CBG | I PMed you because I thought you were brad2901. |
| 22:08.17 | brad2901 | ... |
| 22:08.18 | shorty114 | shorty114 != brad2901 ? |
| 22:08.27 | CBG | I didn't mean to ctct time you. |
| 22:08.37 | CBG | Yeah. I know. Sorry. |
| 22:08.49 | shorty114 | that's ok, but what made you think I was brad2901 ? |
| 22:08.49 | CBG | Its just his forum is a subdomain of your site... |
| 22:08.56 | brad2901 | oh.. |
| 22:08.56 | CBG | and I said this to him, and 3 seconds later you joined. :o |
| 22:09.02 | shorty114 | yeah, cuz i gave him hosting |
| 22:11.31 | CBG | T'is very kin d:) |
| 22:11.44 | CBG | O.o lemme try again: |
| 22:11.49 | CBG | T'is very kind. :) |
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| 22:32.45 | shorty114 | heh |
| 22:43.03 | noyb | ~bzfquery hepcat.org:5154 |
| 22:45.22 | CBG | O.o |
| 22:45.35 | CBG | Oh... :( DUH! |
| 22:45.46 | brad2901 | lol |
| 22:46.10 | CBG | :( |
| 22:46.32 | CBG | :) |
| 22:47.04 | CBG | I disagree. |
| 22:47.13 | CBG | KFC is far better value for money. |
| 22:57.08 | brlcad | ~throw ants at CBG |
| 22:57.21 | brlcad | ahh, no fun ibot |
| 22:57.36 | brlcad | i thought I'd help get you started |
| 22:57.37 | CBG | ~blinky brlcad (learner? ) |
| 22:57.38 | ibot | ACTION slaps brlcad (learner? ) on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 23:00.12 | CBG | ~time |
| 23:00.15 | ibot | time is, like, 1 dimensional, or everlasting |
| 23:00.22 | CBG | ~what is the time? |
| 23:00.24 | ibot | CBG: what are you talking about? |
| 23:00.33 | CBG | ibot: Do you know the time? |
| 23:00.34 | ibot | yes, I know the time. |
| 23:00.49 | CBG | ibot: What is the time now in London? |
| 23:00.51 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, CBG |
| 23:01.02 | CBG | ~gender? |
| 23:01.03 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 23:01.11 | CBG | ~blinky itself |
| 23:01.12 | ibot | ACTION slaps itself on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 23:01.27 | wizart | :) |
| 23:01.32 | wizart | ~date |
| 23:01.33 | ibot | Sun May 29 23:01:33 2005 |
| 23:01.46 | CBG | ~blinky CBG |
| 23:01.47 | ibot | ACTION slaps CBG on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky |
| 23:01.51 | wizart | :) |
| 23:02.00 | CBG | But its an hour behind... :( |
| 23:02.09 | wizart | two ? |
| 23:02.17 | CBG | One. |
| 23:02.20 | wizart | well for me it's two hours behind |
| 23:02.23 | CBG | ~date GMT |
| 23:02.37 | CBG | ~ date in london |
| 23:02.41 | wizart | hmm. good idea though |
| 23:02.47 | CBG | :( |
| 23:03.00 | CBG | well... Its midnight. |
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| 23:03.07 | CBG | Time for my feast. |
| 23:03.09 | CBG | Cya later |
| 23:03.13 | brad2901 | cu CBG |
| 23:03.14 | wizart | lol. cu |
| 23:03.18 | CBG | :) bye |
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