irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050525

`00:24.17`	`*** join/#bzflag purple_cow_ (~jupiter@70.57.48.59)`
`00:25.11`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ`
`00:30.47`	`*** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-165-19-9.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net)`
`00:41.10`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, does your client build under windows?`
`00:42.02`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-003-094.arcor-ip.net)`
`00:44.07`	`*** join/#bzflag creeperz (~Meatwad@host-57-142-230-24.midco.net)`
`00:53.18`	`Grumbler`	`anybody know who the server owner is for hepcat?`
`00:53.24`	`JeffM2501`	`cosmos`
`00:53.25`	`lan56`	`cosmos`
`00:53.28`	`Grumbler`	`ok`
`00:54.01`	`Grumbler`	`on the side, any chance freelancer is a cheat.....or is it more likely he has funky lag`
`00:54.40`	`lan56`	`what makes you think he cheats?`
`00:54.48`	`Grumbler`	`bullet speed`
`00:55.21`	`lan56`	`because I don't think its lag, he usually has acceptable lag and usually plays for long periods of time at one sitting`
`00:55.25`	`Grumbler`	`jump backwards, then movement forwards, without wings`
`00:55.47`	`JeffM2501`	`that could be lag`
`00:55.54`	`Grumbler`	`it could just be this version........`
`00:57.11`	`Grumbler`	`ah, well, i will hold off....but it was fuunky`
`00:57.25`	`Grumbler`	`buy hepcat in general had funky lag`
`00:58.14`	`Grumbler`	`ah well, guess i am just frustrated with the lack of predicatable play lately`
`00:59.05`	`JeffM2501`	`must... controlll.. fist of ....death..`
`01:00.08`	`creeperz`	`good job JeffM2501`
`01:00.16`	`creeperz`	`you handled that nicely :-)`
`01:00.59`	`JeffM2501`	`tupy keeps breaking things`
`01:02.58`	`JeffM2501`	`in code that he realy can't even test`
`01:05.18`	`JeffM2501`	`he's a great guy and all, I just don't always agree with his changes`
`01:05.47`	`creeperz`	`ah, i see what youre sayin`
`01:06.22`	`creeperz`	`i've had to work with a few people with a similiar nature`
`01:07.06`	`creeperz`	`but, instead of just costing me time and a release date, it costed me a few hundred $$ :-P`
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`01:08.26`	`creeperz`	`hmm`
`01:08.29`	`creeperz`	`a mall, huh?`
`01:09.20`	`creeperz`	`JeffM2501: how do you pry yourself away from WoW? I am finding that I need to just play until I have to eat`
`01:09.39`	`JeffM2501`	`because I'm not a kid and I have a thing called self controll`
`01:09.47`	`creeperz`	`like, absolutely HAVE to eat`
`01:10.09`	`creeperz`	`hmm, sounds good`
`01:10.21`	`wizart`	`hehe. Same thing here with b bzflag. Except that I usually don't stop to eat. It's great for loosing weight.`
`01:12.45`	`*** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-165-19-9.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net)`
`01:15.40`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (src/platform/WinPlatformFactory.cxx win32/VC71/config.h):`
`01:15.41`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: how about code that builds.`
`01:15.41`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: #defs are ok I guess.`
`01:15.41`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: but this some uglycode now man.`
`01:15.41`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: make windows build ( VC71) allways use native stuff`
`01:18.24`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/sound.cxx:`
`01:18.24`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: convert simple "samples" array to something more resizeable(vector)`
`01:18.24`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: make AudioSamples struct into a smart self cleaning up class.`
`01:19.37`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: care to add API for getting things like list server message?`
`01:19.44`	`purple_cow`	`and reports?`
`01:19.47`	`JeffM2501`	`message?`
`01:19.53`	`JeffM2501`	`like motd?`
`01:20.03`	`purple_cow`	`like what the server is advertising itself as`
`01:20.06`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`01:20.14`	`JeffM2501`	`the -public`
`01:20.15`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`01:20.48`	`purple_cow`	`and publicaddr`
`01:21.04`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`01:21.53`	`*** join/#bzflag bz8885 (~45a67a81@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`01:26.53`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): add API for server public status and info`
`01:27.45`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): keep the API consistent in caps`
`01:27.52`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, there ya go`
`01:28.01`	`JeffM2501`	`bz_getPublic()`
`01:28.08`	`JeffM2501`	`bz_getPublicAddr()`
`01:28.19`	`purple_cow`	`cool`
`01:28.25`	`JeffM2501`	`and bz_getPublicDescription()`
`01:28.46`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a5:3b1e:0:0:0:0:1)`
`01:29.25`	`JeffM2501`	`if the server is not public, getPublic will return false, and the others empty strings`
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`01:59.08`	`creeperz`	`JeffM2501: what kinda pizza did you get?`
`01:59.35`	`JeffM2501`	`bean and cheeze burio flavored`
`01:59.50`	`purple_cow`	`that's a little weird`
`02:00.04`	`creeperz`	`...`
`02:00.08`	`JeffM2501`	`well they also put it in burito format`
`02:00.13`	`purple_cow`	`of course, when i read creeperz's question, the first thing that popped into my head was "mule", which would be weirder`
`02:00.15`	`creeperz`	`JeffM2501: are you being serious?`
`02:00.20`	`JeffM2501`	`totaly`
`02:00.20`	`creeperz`	`lol`
`02:00.42`	`creeperz`	`hmm`
`02:00.46`	`JeffM2501`	`pizza place was packed, hit up Baja fresh`
`02:01.29`	`JeffM2501`	`need anymore APIs capy?`
`02:01.39`	`JeffM2501`	`or I should say purpie`
`02:02.01`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: probably, but dunno yet`
`02:02.02`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow does not lead it self to many good nicknames as much as the old one did, does it?`
`02:02.02`	`creeperz`	`hmm`
`02:02.40`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll probably need something that returns what perms a specific group has`
`02:02.47`	`JeffM2501`	`proably even a user has`
`02:03.35`	`JeffM2501`	`mmm pintoie goodness`
`02:04.32`	`purple_cow`	`probably`
`02:04.44`	`creeperz`	`wow, i have a strange craving for bean burritos now`
`02:04.57`	`purple_cow`	`keep in mind that i'm probably just going to start on this script and then hand it off to some bright-eyed young python developer ;-)`
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`02:06.28`	`JeffM2501`	`there are ones with bright eyes?`
`02:08.40`	`purple_cow`	`i think most young python developers have bright eyes`
`02:08.42`	`purple_cow`	`but i could be wrong`
`02:09.05`	`JeffM2501`	`they have yet to be broken by the cruel harsh world?`
`02:09.17`	`purple_cow`	`exactly`
`02:09.49`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`02:10.28`	`BenUrban`	`that's because a lot of python programmers didn't learn c++, java, c, lisp, etc first`
`02:10.47`	`BenUrban`	`they don't know just how horrible programming can get`
`02:11.17`	`JeffM2501`	`or have real jobs that requre you to do coding to make money in said languages :)`
`02:11.27`	`BenUrban`	`purple_cow: so what script are you talking about?`
`02:13.14`	`JeffM2501`	`tell that to your morgage company :)`
`02:13.28`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`02:13.33`	`BenUrban`	`i live with my parents`
`02:13.49`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah well when you grow up then you'll know :)`
`02:13.51`	`bryjen`	`really? whoda thunk?`
`02:13.55`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`02:13.56`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`02:13.59`	`BenUrban`	`yeah i know i know`
`02:14.01`	`JeffM2501`	`how old?`
`02:14.04`	`BenUrban`	`22`
`02:14.06`	`JeffM2501`	`ouch`
`02:14.17`	`BenUrban`	`i'm much more dependant then most people`
`02:14.26`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`02:14.38`	`BenUrban`	`it was abuot a year ago that i got my first job`
`02:14.41`	`JeffM2501`	`by 22 I was maried, and looking for the divorce`
`02:14.46`	`BenUrban`	`and that's minimum wage`
`02:14.58`	`BenUrban`	`well, 50 cents more now`
`02:15.10`	`BenUrban`	`not worth my time though`
`02:15.26`	`JeffM2501`	`well since your time had no $ value before, it was`
`02:15.30`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
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`02:16.50`	`JeffM2501`	`BenUrban, he is 1) making a plugin that loads python scripts, and 2) making a python script that can do web administration of bzfs`
`02:17.04`	`JeffM2501`	`using twisted`
`02:17.05`	`wegstar`	`cool`
`02:17.36`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm that means I proably should expose stuff like lagstats :)`
`02:17.44`	`SportChick`	`is "_" not an acceptable character in bzflag anymore?`
`02:17.57`	`JeffM2501`	`it should be`
`02:17.59`	`JeffM2501`	`as part of a name`
`02:18.05`	`JeffM2501`	`as the only character in a name, no`
`02:18.13`	`SportChick`	`name is z_k`
`02:18.21`	`JeffM2501`	`must have at least 3 letters`
`02:18.29`	`SportChick`	`he can get onto bzbb, but his token is rejected whenever he joins bzflag`
`02:18.34`	`SportChick`	`three letters or three characters?`
`02:18.39`	`JeffM2501`	`letters or numbers`
`02:18.42`	`wegstar`	`<BenUrban> that's because a lot of python programmers didn't learn c++, java, c, lisp, etc first`
`02:18.42`	`wegstar`	`<BenUrban> they don't know just how horrible programming can get`
`02:18.42`	`wegstar`	`Not true at all`
`02:18.42`	`wegstar`	`"a lot".. right...`
`02:18.45`	`JeffM2501`	`zzk_ would be ok`
`02:18.50`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: lagstats would be handy. maybe just another string in the player class?`
`02:18.54`	`JeffM2501`	`z_k1 would be ok`
`02:19.03`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, yeah that's what I was thinking`
`02:19.11`	`purple_cow`	`or two numbers`
`02:19.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I should tack a perms structure on there too`
`02:20.39`	`JeffM2501`	`what is wrong with kids today if they think that seting thin glass tubes filled with gas alight, looks like a lightsabeer`
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`02:30.53`	`noyb`	`hey there wegstar`
`02:31.03`	`wegstar`	`hey noyb :)`
`02:35.03`	`noyb`	`I was reading the TODO and I don't understand the first item... what does this mean:`
`02:35.07`	`noyb`	`add a command line option to let random worlds do an oncap weapon`
`02:35.33`	`noyb`	`for CTF bases`
`02:36.28`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a new option`
`02:36.32`	`JeffM2501`	`for bases`
`02:36.35`	`JeffM2501`	`called "oncap"`
`02:36.40`	`noyb`	`ok, now it comes to me... "On capture"`
`02:36.41`	`JeffM2501`	`and you specify a weapon`
`02:36.54`	`JeffM2501`	`so that on the caputre of that teams flag it will fire that weapon`
`02:37.13`	`noyb`	`a world weapon?`
`02:37.51`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`02:38.11`	`JeffM2501`	`SW is the only one that makes sense for that simple option`
`02:38.28`	`JeffM2501`	`for more complex weapons you'd want to define triggerd world weapons`
`02:42.53`	`purple_cow`	`i'd love to see that obstacle-course mode ported to a plugin :)`
`02:43.06`	`JeffM2501`	`what does it do?`
`02:43.26`	`noyb`	`since it's command line, it's dynamic during the game, set by the current admin? strange. do you have some desired scenario?`
`02:43.44`	`purple_cow`	`it was a course that started when you went through a teleporter, ended with another teleporter at the end and recorded times`
`02:44.09`	`JeffM2501`	`noyb, command line on bzfs, not command line with a / command, aka at server launch time`
`02:44.43`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm one would think that would not be too hard`
`02:44.47`	`noyb`	`aha! good. command line. thanks.`
`02:45.07`	`JeffM2501`	`just need a way to flag what 2 teleporters`
`02:45.20`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm, need a TP event`
`02:45.30`	`JeffM2501`	`a "gimme a TP desination" event`
`02:45.39`	`JeffM2501`	`and some way to set the score or something`
`02:46.01`	`orchid`	`what does "floating point exception" mean in a program output?`
`02:46.16`	`purple_cow`	`orchid: usually means you divided by 0`
`02:46.25`	`JeffM2501`	`or got a NAN or something`
`02:46.29`	`orchid`	`ahh, that I did`
`02:46.53`	`orchid`	`no I think I might have divided by 0, darn`
`02:46.59`	`JeffM2501`	`in the custom language I work on, the error is "division by zero; dumbass"`
`02:48.23`	`noyb`	`is there a server option for gaining points on capture? I would really like to see the dynamic change when there's a payoff "oncap"`
`02:48.45`	`JeffM2501`	`not yet`
`02:48.47`	`noyb`	`there would be fighting for the flag... :-)`
`02:49.04`	`JeffM2501`	`but once I set the API up to set the score, a plugin can be made to do that`
`02:49.08`	`noyb`	`Thief at the last second... :-(`
`02:50.26`	`orchid`	`to be fair in ctf noyb, you should award points for "time carrying flag" as people hiding their own flag are as important as those chasing the opponents`
`02:50.45`	`noyb`	`instant kick/ban for thiefing the flag within the team!`
`02:51.00`	`wegstar`	`what if it is accidental?`
`02:51.02`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm that means I should also add flag pickup and drop events`
`02:51.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm allready sending time with everything`
`02:51.13`	`noyb`	`oops...`
`02:51.14`	`JeffM2501`	`so you could do that`
`02:51.27`	`JeffM2501`	`should do "anoint" new rabbit as well`
`02:51.47`	`purple_cow`	`i love that rabbits are still annointed`
`02:52.29`	`noyb`	`how about even distribution of points to the whole team, with any leftovers going to the one who makes the capture.`
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`02:53.20`	`noyb`	`it is after all a team effort.`
`02:53.40`	`JeffM2501`	`once it's a plugin you can make it do what ever you want`
`02:53.47`	`JeffM2501`	`even have more then one mode :)`
`02:54.54`	`*** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc)`
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`03:01.05`	`bryjen`	`pullNewRabbitFromHat() is just too long`
`03:01.27`	`bryjen`	`;)`
`03:01.45`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`03:02.57`	`noyb`	`watchMePullARabbitOuttaThisHat() says Bullwinkle.`
`03:03.34`	`bryjen`	`that one always returns an error`
`03:03.38`	`JeffM2501`	`bullwinkle->hat->pull(rabbit);`
`03:03.55`	`noyb`	`ha! I'm not alone...`
`03:04.20`	`noyb`	`twisted minds are plentiful.`
`03:04.34`	`JeffM2501`	`in mine the return code just dosn't match the passed in paramater :)`
`03:04.59`	`bryjen`	`hehe`
`03:05.13`	`noyb`	`if you're not careful, it'll bite you.`
`03:07.12`	`noyb`	`the lion that is... not the rabbit, which seems to have gone missing...`
`03:08.06`	`noyb`	`JeffM2501: I'm just now getting your passed in parameter... lol.`
`03:11.24`	`noyb`	`do you guys have other programming jobs, or do you only do bzflag?`
`03:11.45`	`JeffM2501`	`I have a real job`
`03:12.22`	`noyb`	`do you put bzflag on your resume?`
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`03:13.35`	`JeffM2501`	`on no`
`03:13.37`	`*** join/#bzflag Sir_Pants (~3fe2c64b@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`03:13.41`	`JeffM2501`	`I dont' even have a resume`
`03:13.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I've had my job for 11 years`
`03:13.51`	`JeffM2501`	`or 12`
`03:13.55`	`JeffM2501`	`heck I don't reemmber anymore`
`03:14.02`	`Sir_Pants`	`what do you do for a job jeff?`
`03:14.40`	`JeffM2501`	`software developer`
`03:14.57`	`Sir_Pants`	`gaming or other stuff?`
`03:15.11`	`JeffM2501`	`CAD/CAM software`
`03:15.15`	`Sir_Pants`	`cool`
`03:15.32`	`noyb`	`do you work on brlcad?`
`03:15.39`	`Sir_Pants`	`do you happen to know what a fsockopen error is?`
`03:15.57`	`noyb`	`linux?`
`03:16.03`	`Sir_Pants`	`no windows`
`03:16.09`	`noyb`	`gah!`
`03:16.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it means bzflag could not open a socket`
`03:16.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it's very very bad`
`03:16.48`	`Sir_Pants`	`error = "got line" warning: fsockopen: unable to connect to ip:5154 /var/www/bzfls.php on line 411`
`03:16.53`	`JeffM2501`	`are you on some sorta wackyass connection?`
`03:16.59`	`Sir_Pants`	`no dont think so`
`03:17.04`	`JeffM2501`	`what IP are you trying to use?`
`03:17.09`	`Sir_Pants`	`uh`
`03:17.13`	`Sir_Pants`	`internet`
`03:17.16`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`03:17.21`	`JeffM2501`	`what address are you using?`
`03:17.26`	`JeffM2501`	`or when do you get the error?`
`03:17.28`	`Sir_Pants`	`just a sec`
`03:17.33`	`JeffM2501`	`oh php`
`03:17.34`	`JeffM2501`	`php`
`03:17.37`	`JeffM2501`	`web crap`
`03:17.42`	`Sir_Pants`	`???.`
`03:17.48`	`Sir_Pants`	`its happening in bzfs`
`03:18.05`	`JeffM2501`	`are you trying to do -public?`
`03:18.22`	`Sir_Pants`	`yea i think`
`03:18.28`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't know?`
`03:18.31`	`JeffM2501`	`isn't it your server?`
`03:18.36`	`Sir_Pants`	`yea it is`
`03:18.41`	`Sir_Pants`	`i just dont have my config open`
`03:18.46`	`blast007`	`...`
`03:18.48`	`Sir_Pants`	`now it is open though`
`03:18.54`	`Sir_Pants`	`and it has -public`
`03:18.55`	`JeffM2501`	`well you should at least know`
`03:19.00`	`JeffM2501`	`what is your publicaddr ?`
`03:19.17`	`Sir_Pants`	`-publicaddr 63.226.198.75:5154`
`03:19.49`	`JeffM2501`	`is that open from the outside?`
`03:20.01`	`JeffM2501`	`and are you running with 4 -d ?`
`03:20.02`	`Sir_Pants`	`yea`
`03:20.06`	`Sir_Pants`	`no 2`
`03:20.13`	`Sir_Pants`	`should i try 4?`
`03:20.14`	`JeffM2501`	`if it is your IP you don't need that line`
`03:20.14`	`purple_cow`	`are you using -publiclist?`
`03:20.15`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`03:20.19`	`noyb`	`~bzquery 63.226.198.75`
`03:20.24`	`Sir_Pants`	`nno not using publiclist`
`03:20.33`	`JeffM2501`	`is your server on now?`
`03:20.35`	`noyb`	`or something like that...`
`03:20.36`	`Sir_Pants`	`yea`
`03:20.44`	`Sir_Pants`	`it shows up locally but not on list`
`03:20.56`	`JeffM2501`	`~bzfsquery 63.226.198.75`
`03:20.58`	`Sir_Pants`	`~vzquery 63.226.198.75:5154`
`03:21.01`	`Sir_Pants`	`ooops`
`03:21.09`	`JeffM2501`	`~bzfquery 63.226.198.75`
`03:21.14`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not routing`
`03:21.23`	`Sir_Pants`	`~bzquery 63.226.198.75:5154`
`03:21.25`	`JeffM2501`	`can others outside connect to it?`
`03:21.29`	`Sir_Pants`	`nope`
`03:21.37`	`JeffM2501`	`then that's yor problem`
`03:21.42`	`JeffM2501`	`are you behind a router?`
`03:21.45`	`Sir_Pants`	`~bzquery 63.226.198.75`
`03:21.53`	`Sir_Pants`	`yea but i opened ports`
`03:21.55`	`JeffM2501`	`once it fails doing it again will NOT make it happen`
`03:22.01`	`JeffM2501`	`you didn't open them right`
`03:22.06`	`Sir_Pants`	`~bzquery 63.226.198.75:5154`
`03:22.12`	`JeffM2501`	`DUDE`
`03:22.14`	`JeffM2501`	`stop it`
`03:22.16`	`Sir_Pants`	`sry`
`03:22.24`	`JeffM2501`	`5154 is the default`
`03:22.25`	`Sir_Pants`	`cant type right for some reason tonight`
`03:22.26`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't need it`
`03:22.30`	`Sir_Pants`	`mmmk`
`03:22.32`	`JeffM2501`	`fix your route`
`03:22.36`	`JeffM2501`	`take out your -publicaddr`
`03:22.42`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't need it if it's just your IP`
`03:22.53`	`Sir_Pants`	`i don't?`
`03:22.53`	`JeffM2501`	`if noone from outside can get to you, then nether can the list server`
`03:22.59`	`Sir_Pants`	`ok`
`03:23.01`	`JeffM2501`	`and if the list server can't get to you it won't list you`
`03:23.08`	`JeffM2501`	`if you had it set right, it would work :)`
`03:23.12`	`Sir_Pants`	`alright`
`03:23.13`	`JeffM2501`	`so you must not have it set right`
`03:23.18`	`Sir_Pants`	`ill go look`
`03:23.54`	`noyb`	`JeffM2501: I'm sorry for starting that little query storm... not helpful.`
`03:23.59`	`Sir_Pants`	`haha`
`03:24.02`	`Sir_Pants`	`me too`
`03:24.32`	`JeffM2501`	`see it just backs up in ibot and times out`
`03:24.55`	`Sir_Pants`	`ah`
`03:24.56`	`JeffM2501`	`if it doesn't come back onece right away, it's not going to come back any other time you do it`
`03:25.04`	`JeffM2501`	`unless you change something`
`03:25.07`	`Sir_Pants`	`well i was spelling it wrong`
`03:25.11`	`Sir_Pants`	`i forgot the "f" in it`
`03:25.12`	`JeffM2501`	`but I wasn't`
`03:25.19`	`JeffM2501`	`and if mine didn't work, yours wasn't`
`03:25.22`	`Sir_Pants`	`oh`
`03:25.36`	`Sir_Pants`	`ok so my ports are open`
`03:25.41`	`Sir_Pants`	`udp and tcp`
`03:26.00`	`JeffM2501`	`open? or forwared to your lan IP?`
`03:26.09`	`JeffM2501`	`they need to be forwarded`
`03:26.14`	`JeffM2501`	`if it's a real router`
`03:26.19`	`Sir_Pants`	`then they are forwarded`
`03:26.23`	`Sir_Pants`	`portforward.com`
`03:26.33`	`JeffM2501`	`you have a firewall on your lan system?`
`03:26.49`	`Sir_Pants`	`not the computer im on`
`03:26.59`	`Sir_Pants`	`its just a server computer`
`03:27.06`	`Sir_Pants`	`has its own firewall`
`03:27.14`	`Sir_Pants`	`and those two ports allow traffic`
`03:27.16`	`JeffM2501`	`did you open the ports on that server?`
`03:27.21`	`JeffM2501`	`then one would think it would work`
`03:27.21`	`Sir_Pants`	`yep`
`03:27.24`	`JeffM2501`	`what kinda router you have?`
`03:27.30`	`Sir_Pants`	`cisco 675`
`03:27.36`	`JeffM2501`	`dono that one`
`03:27.42`	`Sir_Pants`	`its old`
`03:27.58`	`wegstar`	`http://portforward.com/cisco/675.htm`
`03:28.08`	`Sir_Pants`	`thanks im already there`
`03:28.13`	`wegstar`	`ah`
`03:30.16`	`blast007`	`5154/tcp filtered unknown`
`03:30.17`	`blast007`	`5154/udp closed unknown`
`03:30.44`	`Sir_Pants`	`what?`
`03:31.26`	`blast007`	`that's from a port scan on 5154`
`03:31.39`	`Sir_Pants`	`mmmk`
`03:31.50`	`Sir_Pants`	`so my tcp is filtered and udp isnt open?`
`03:31.57`	`blast007`	`yup`
`03:32.01`	`Sir_Pants`	`huh`
`03:32.27`	`noyb`	`windows... reboot. 'nuf said.`
`03:32.38`	`Sir_Pants`	`reboot the whole computer or the router?`
`03:32.52`	`Sir_Pants`	`or both?`
`03:34.41`	`noyb`	`just another unhelpful, biased, remark... sorry.`
`03:34.53`	`wegstar`	`)`
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`03:46.40`	`jpa-`	`mroning`
`03:46.50`	`wegstar`	`morning jpa- :)`
`03:48.25`	`wegstar`	`is it just me or is sf down?`
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`03:50.33`	`JeffM2501`	`oh no more ops for me :(`
`03:50.42`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`03:50.55`	`JeffM2501`	`changed my primary account with nickserv`
`03:51.41`	`jpa-`	`bahaha :)`
`03:51.50`	`JeffM2501`	`it would take TimRiker or purple_cow to fix it`
`03:52.36`	`wegstar`	`is sourceforge down for anyone?`
`03:53.04`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`03:53.08`	`JeffM2501`	`probablly maint`
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`03:54.09`	`JeffM2501`	`sup big guy`
`03:54.58`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`no mui`
`03:55.06`	`JeffM2501`	`:(`
`03:55.13`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`jeff's been a busy boy`
`03:55.20`	`JeffM2501`	`not realy`
`03:57.50`	`JeffM2501`	`some of it was just making it build again`
`03:58.27`	`MeBigFatGuy`	`heh`
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`04:02.26`	`JeffM2501`	`now if only I could get this plugin to load`
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`04:16.20`	`JeffM2501`	`bahh only playhistorytracker won't load`
`04:16.27`	`JeffM2501`	`all other plugins work`
`04:37.21`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: you're right, i do like this movie :)`
`04:37.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I knew you would :)`
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`04:58.15`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, I think I know why playerInfo is so crashy`
`04:58.48`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: hmm?`
`05:00.30`	`JeffM2501`	`stl`
`05:00.57`	`JeffM2501`	`the main app allocates memory for classes that will be freeed by the plugin`
`05:00.59`	`creeperz`	`stl?`
`05:01.11`	`JeffM2501`	`like when it grows a string`
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`05:02.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm crashing a lot in destructing`
`05:02.24`	`JeffM2501`	`when freeing ram`
`05:02.26`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: the crashes i was having were because i was being a tard`
`05:02.35`	`JeffM2501`	`for the strings`
`05:02.38`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm`
`05:02.43`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe tis only a windows problem`
`05:02.53`	`purple_cow`	`i'm not sure that's a problem with how the libraries work on linux`
`05:02.54`	`JeffM2501`	`win can't allocate ram in one module and free it in another`
`05:02.54`	`purple_cow`	`yeah`
`05:03.11`	`JeffM2501`	`well means I'm going to have to change the class`
`05:03.18`	`JeffM2501`	`when I do I'll bump the api version`
`05:03.24`	`purple_cow`	`cool`
`05:05.18`	`JeffM2501`	`what do you think of the CGI?`
`05:07.10`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: ws`
`05:07.27`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/PyBZFlag.cpp: bind GetPublic* functions`
`05:17.58`	`CIA-5`	`navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8350 10bzfs-plugins/webadmin/ (Overview.py Server.py Template.py): significantly less broken, but still not working terribly well`
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`05:27.49`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Chestal] by ChanServ`
`05:27.49`	`Pimpinella`	`JeffM2501: CGI?`
`05:28.10`	`Pimpinella`	`you made a web frontend or something?`
`05:28.16`	`JeffM2501`	`I made NOTHING!`
`05:28.26`	`JeffM2501`	`and you can't prove that I did :)`
`05:29.10`	`Pimpinella`	`hehe`
`05:29.35`	`Pimpinella`	`moun Chestal`
`05:29.37`	`Pimpinella`	`moin`
`05:29.39`	`JeffM2501`	`purpie is making a web admin plugin`
`05:30.04`	`jolie`	`purpie!?`
`05:30.05`	`Pimpinella`	`surprise surprise`
`05:30.07`	`jolie`	`btw morning`
`05:30.09`	`Pimpinella`	`cow`
`05:30.24`	`jolie`	`ah the milka dude`
`05:30.26`	`Pimpinella`	`oh, i see`
`05:30.37`	`JeffM2501`	`well I can't call him cappie anymore`
`05:30.44`	`jolie`	`cappie!?`
`05:30.47`	`jolie`	`... >_<`
`05:31.09`	`JeffM2501`	`long ago, he used to be known as capitan_proton`
`05:31.12`	`jolie`	`today on irc oprah ... the truth behind a nick..`
`05:31.25`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: shh`
`05:31.42`	`JeffM2501`	`tho then there is this davidtrowbridge bot that impersonates him somtimes`
`05:31.47`	`jolie`	`nono irc oprah today is taking the dirty laundry out!`
`05:31.48`	`jolie`	`haha`
`05:32.06`	`purple_cow`	`if you talk about it, they're going to expect me to finish it, or something`
`05:32.42`	`JeffM2501`	`naw`
`05:32.55`	`JeffM2501`	`if you finished it, it woudl be uncharactaristic of you`
`05:33.26`	`purple_cow`	`i've finished lots of things!`
`05:33.33`	`purple_cow`	`just a lot fewer than i've started :)`
`05:34.13`	`Pimpinella`	`don't ruin your reputation ;)`
`05:34.13`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
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`05:35.55`	`Pimpinella`	`could somebody do my todays work for me plz?`
`05:36.19`	`jolie`	`uhm...`
`05:36.22`	`jolie`	`what are they?`
`05:36.31`	`Pimpinella`	`i feel a significant lack of motivation`
`05:36.47`	`Pimpinella`	`first milk some cows`
`05:36.55`	`jolie`	`ah nah`
`05:37.00`	`JeffM2501`	`cows?`
`05:37.06`	`Pimpinella`	`cows`
`05:37.09`	`jolie`	`moo`
`05:37.13`	`jolie`	`kuh`
`05:37.13`	`Pimpinella`	`no purple among them though`
`05:37.14`	`JeffM2501`	`dude, come to the 21st, just go to the store man`
`05:37.26`	`jolie`	`nature at his best`
`05:37.27`	`Pimpinella`	`;)`
`05:37.44`	`purple_cow`	`Pimpinella: and boy am i glad to hear that`
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`05:41.06`	`silverfox`	`I currently have a player on hepcat.org:5154 who's playername is "wez", he doesn't have a + or - by his name, but there is a username on bzbb http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2257`
`05:41.17`	`silverfox`	`Does that sound right ?`
`05:42.08`	`jomojo`	`SilverFox: he is on tybox.59999 now`
`05:42.24`	`silverfox`	`ah`
`05:44.28`	`JeffM2501`	`it's the normal bad token thing`
`05:44.32`	`JeffM2501`	`proxy server`
`05:44.36`	`JeffM2501`	`get him on port 81`
`05:45.00`	`jomojo`	`how do i do that`
`05:45.17`	`JeffM2501`	`edit config`
`05:45.27`	`JeffM2501`	`add :81 to list server line after bzflag.org`
`05:45.28`	`jomojo`	`ah`
`05:45.28`	`silverfox`	`oh... he's using a proxy server?!?`
`05:45.28`	`JeffM2501`	`before the /db`
`05:45.33`	`JeffM2501`	`remove the #`
`05:45.44`	`JeffM2501`	`99% of the "bad token" messages are because of that`
`05:45.49`	`JeffM2501`	`a proxy on ether end`
`05:46.00`	`jomojo`	`silver do you get what he is saying`
`05:46.11`	`silverfox`	`so... for it to go through a proxy, he's either using a socks proxy, or his ISP is using a transparent proxy?`
`05:46.18`	`silverfox`	`jomojo, yes.`
`05:46.23`	`jomojo`	`if its in his config. i may need to help because he is mac`
`05:46.46`	`jomojo`	`or not`
`05:46.57`	`silverfox`	`I'll try to put together a post explaining it. JeffM2501, have you seen a post explaining this already?`
`05:47.19`	`silverfox`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3888&highlight=token`
`05:47.22`	`JeffM2501`	`ther have been MANY`
`05:47.31`	`silverfox`	`wez says he's already done that. I'll talk more w/him.`
`05:48.08`	`jomojo`	`SilverFox by the way you put the countdown to 30 second warm up but 15 minute timer still`
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`05:48.28`	`silverfox`	`yeah, I was just playing...`
`05:48.35`	`jomojo`	`JeffM2501 wez already tried that`
`05:48.49`	`jomojo`	`still gets bad tokens`
`05:48.58`	`jomojo`	`i am talking to him on my other comp`
`05:49.28`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's his ISP`
`05:49.35`	`JeffM2501`	`something is jacking his token`
`05:49.41`	`JeffM2501`	`or it's the servers ISP`
`05:49.44`	`JeffM2501`	`one of the 2`
`05:50.10`	`t-s`	`I saw WEZ having problems with authentification on secretplace yesterday`
`05:50.25`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: good movie, thanks for the pointer`
`05:50.29`	`JeffM2501`	`then its' his ISP`
`05:50.34`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, glad you like dit`
`05:50.36`	`jolie`	`wich movie??`
`05:51.00`	`purple_cow`	`appleseed`
`05:51.01`	`JeffM2501`	`appleseed`
`05:51.14`	`JeffM2501`	`if you want the tunes I have them`
`05:51.56`	`purple_cow`	`sure, why not`
`05:52.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I will send tomrorow from work`
`05:52.38`	`JeffM2501`	`where they are in a non DRM format`
`05:52.47`	`JeffM2501`	`unless iTunes did the right thing`
`05:53.46`	`silverfox`	`JeffM2501, is it acceptable that clients who go through transparent proxy's or IPS's cannot get a token? I don't know much about the list server and how clients auth. SSL, SSH, etc can exchange keys safely through proxies. What is different?`
`05:54.02`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: you'll have to use my IP instead of navi.cx, DNS hasn't been updated yet`
`05:54.30`	`JeffM2501`	`the dif is, it's HTTP, and many proxys cache HTTP requests`
`05:54.39`	`JeffM2501`	`they know to not cache SSL, or ssh`
`05:54.53`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`05:54.57`	`JeffM2501`	`navi get moved?`
`05:55.12`	`purple_cow`	`changed ISPs`
`05:55.22`	`silverfox`	`hmm... What ports does the list server listen on? only 80 and 81?`
`05:55.27`	`purple_cow`	`university discontinued their ISP service, finally got everything transitioned today`
`05:55.46`	`noyb`	`even if/when the client says, "no cache" to the proxy, the proxy can ignore that header`
`05:55.47`	`silverfox`	`How about trying 443? Or maybe a higher tcp port?`
`05:57.06`	`jomojo`	`SilverFox: I thought you were making F50 a admin or cop?`
`05:57.27`	`silverfox`	`yep. Still need to do it.`
`05:58.20`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, so are you still on a dual line?`
`05:58.49`	`silverfox`	`JeffM2501, can we use "set list http://my.BZFlag.org:443/db/"`
`05:58.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`05:59.02`	`JeffM2501`	`does it work in a browser?`
`05:59.10`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: no, down to 1`
`05:59.20`	`silverfox`	`Good idea.`
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`05:59.52`	`JeffM2501`	`:(`
`06:00.00`	`silverfox`	`https works though!`
`06:00.01`	`silverfox`	`https://my.BZFlag.org/db/`
`06:00.16`	`JeffM2501`	`try it and`
`06:00.18`	`JeffM2501`	`seee`
`06:00.22`	`JeffM2501`	`now 2.0.2 may not work`
`06:00.27`	`JeffM2501`	`cus it may not know https`
`06:00.42`	`JeffM2501`	`cvs will use CURL, it should know https`
`06:06.18`	`silverfox`	`nope. Can't open https`
`06:07.11`	`silverfox`	`well, hopefully using https will resolve it in the next revision`
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`06:08.27`	`WEZ_`	`hey all`
`06:08.45`	`jolie`	`hey you have been a topic here`
`06:09.01`	`WEZ_`	`lucky me :)`
`06:09.28`	`JeffM2501`	`what version of bzflag are you using?`
`06:09.36`	`silverfox`	`Wez, either your ISP is using some sort of transparent proxy (or IPS) or...`
`06:09.37`	`WEZ_`	`2.0.2 OS X`
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`06:09.45`	`silverfox`	`something funny going on with your router and/or firewall.`
`06:09.48`	`JeffM2501`	`hm`
`06:09.54`	`WEZ_`	`the firewall router could definitely be doing something`
`06:09.57`	`jomojo`	`what version of os x`
`06:10.00`	`silverfox`	`JeffM2501, all of this transaction is http?`
`06:10.04`	`WEZ_`	`10.3.8`
`06:10.04`	`JeffM2501`	`token is just a normal HTTP connect`
`06:10.05`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`06:10.14`	`JeffM2501`	`you can do it in a browser`
`06:10.30`	`WEZ_`	`could someone use my login details and test my accont from someone who has a workig connection?`
`06:10.42`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not your account`
`06:10.45`	`silverfox`	`so... only way the firewall would cause a problem is if it was stateful inspection (like a packet shaper) or had some sort of caching "feature"`
`06:10.47`	`JeffM2501`	`bad tokens are not bad accounts`
`06:11.04`	`WEZ_`	`yeah but if someone else gets a + i know my details arent' too blaim`
`06:11.09`	`WEZ_`	`ohh right`
`06:11.16`	`JeffM2501`	`I know your account is fine`
`06:11.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I checked it`
`06:11.24`	`WEZ_`	`ta`
`06:11.38`	`WEZ_`	`it did work for a while around verion 2.0.0`
`06:11.55`	`JeffM2501`	`what changed in your setup`
`06:12.12`	`WEZ_`	`think only newer version, 2.0.2`
`06:12.21`	`JeffM2501`	`does 2.0.0 still work for you?`
`06:12.29`	`WEZ_`	`i eventually trashed all my old versions`
`06:12.34`	`WEZ_`	`nope same error now`
`06:12.35`	`JeffM2501`	`go get it again`
`06:12.39`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's not the version`
`06:12.44`	`JeffM2501`	`it's gotta be your ISP`
`06:12.57`	`JeffM2501`	`you using any sort of "web accelerator" ?`
`06:12.59`	`jomojo`	`who is your provider`
`06:13.07`	`WEZ_`	`westnet in western aus`
`06:13.08`	`silverfox`	`Wez, can you disable this "feature" : http://support.westnet.com.au/al/12/1/article.asp?aid=1002&tab=faq&bt=4&r=0.9325373`
`06:13.12`	`jomojo`	`right`
`06:14.03`	`WEZ_`	`that link didnt' come through well`
`06:14.16`	`silverfox`	`http://support.westnet.com.au/display/4/kb/faq/viewArticle.asp?qid=3&aid=1002`
`06:14.17`	`WEZ_`	`what you want me to look for?`
`06:14.31`	`jomojo`	`don't forget wez when you try again you must exactly have the same name and pass as my.bzflag`
`06:14.45`	`jomojo`	`including case`
`06:14.52`	`JeffM2501`	`it should not block port 81`
`06:14.56`	`WEZ_`	`yeah i know`
`06:14.59`	`JeffM2501`	`well heck even 80`
`06:15.43`	`silverfox`	`WEZ_, dunno. It is your ISP. They apparently do all kind of "blocking" for your protection. It is entirely possible that their firewalls inspect packets and see the HTTP header (regardless of port) and do strange things with it.`
`06:16.10`	`WEZ_`	`yeah will get rid of that port blocking`
`06:16.31`	`silverfox`	`I think that when the next version comes out and hopefully supports https to the list server, it will probably circumvent this "big brother" crap.`
`06:17.07`	`jomojo`	`will that allow global login on private servers?`
`06:17.14`	`jomojo`	`nah preach on`
`06:17.26`	`jomojo`	`i just got my first tampered email today`
`06:17.56`	`silverfox`	`jomojo, I think that's a seperate issue. That problem is that private servers don't talk to the list server, so the list server can't really help with global auth.`
`06:18.15`	`silverfox`	`just easier to not make them private if you want global auth.`
`06:18.42`	`jomojo`	`i have been using electronic signatures to verify emails and today i was notified that signatures could not be verified`
`06:18.57`	`jomojo`	`well private servers are a must for any kind of league play`
`06:19.57`	`WEZ_`	`okies found a list of ports that are blocked`
`06:20.27`	`jomojo`	`wow SilverFox: your still using 2.0.1? for servers`
`06:20.39`	`WEZ_`	`ohh it claims i have all the obove ports with access granted and can choose to block them if i wish`
`06:21.00`	`jomojo`	`well apparently they are blocked without you choosing`
`06:21.08`	`WEZ_`	`no actually i was wrong its just really badly worded :)`
`06:21.26`	`WEZ_`	`ok well i shoudl get booted in a sec`
`06:21.39`	`silverfox`	`If you can see the list in bz, the port isn't blocked.`
`06:22.02`	`silverfox`	`Clearly they are doing some "magic" between you and the rest of the world though.`
`06:22.18`	`WEZ_`	`ya brb going to try restart connection`
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`06:23.37`	`silverfox`	`F50 is now a cop.`
`06:23.43`	`jomojo`	`cool`
`06:23.53`	`silverfox`	`JeffM2501, you think I need to update bzfs?`
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`06:25.02`	`WEZ_`	`no luck so far`
`06:25.27`	`silverfox`	`You already tried putting this in your .cfg ?`
`06:25.30`	`silverfox`	`set list https://my.BZFlag.org:81/db/`
`06:25.34`	`silverfox`	`oops...`
`06:25.40`	`WEZ_`	`yeah done it`
`06:25.45`	`silverfox`	`I meant:`
`06:25.48`	`WEZ_`	`actuall no not hat way`
`06:25.49`	`silverfox`	`set list http://my.BZFlag.org:81/db/`
`06:26.03`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, I said to try ":81" at the end`
`06:26.08`	`WEZ_`	`i had the :81 on the end (stupid me)`
`06:26.15`	`silverfox`	`do it just like this:`
`06:26.18`	`ToughShooter`	`Nope, was my fault`
`06:26.19`	`silverfox`	`set list http://my.BZFlag.org:81/db/`
`06:27.00`	`WEZ_`	`okies will try again`
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`06:27.45`	`WEZ_`	`bad token again`
`06:27.46`	`silverfox`	`It looks like port 8000 is open too. If that doesn't work, try this:`
`06:27.50`	`silverfox`	`set list http://my.BZFlag.org:8000/db/`
`06:28.19`	`WEZ_`	`jstu wait i dont' think it saved that edit, will try again`
`06:28.50`	`WEZ_`	`we have a WINNER :)`
`06:29.32`	`WEZ_`	`thanks everyone :), rather painful but something must have worked`
`06:29.39`	`silverfox`	`good.`
`06:29.46`	`silverfox`	`Which line did you end up using?`
`06:30.00`	`WEZ_`	`your :81 worked`
`06:30.37`	`silverfox`	`good. JeffM2501 was right. Your ISP is doing some sort of caching (without your knowledge)`
`06:31.03`	`silverfox`	`You going to update the thread: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3888 ?`
`06:31.13`	`WEZ_`	`hehe already on it`
`06:32.41`	`WEZ_`	`okies now i'll try to put my account back to what it was before`
`06:32.52`	`jomojo`	`WEZ_: are you up and running?`
`06:33.15`	`WEZ_`	`yeah i am jojo`
`06:33.35`	`jomojo`	`great`
`06:35.24`	`WEZ_`	`well back to my old details and its not happy again`
`06:35.41`	`WEZ_`	`might not be updated on server yet`
`06:35.52`	`jomojo`	`huh`
`06:35.56`	`WEZ_`	`damn and i had a + too there for a bit`
`06:36.04`	`jomojo`	`you mean its not working`
`06:36.10`	`WEZ_`	`jsut changed back to my proper name WEZ! and its back to before`
`06:36.12`	`jomojo`	`where are you now?`
`06:36.19`	`WEZ_`	`same place`
`06:36.22`	`jomojo`	`boo`
`06:36.35`	`jomojo`	`it could take a while to update your bzbb account`
`06:36.59`	`jomojo`	`you mean you changed your account on my.bzflag.org`
`06:37.12`	`WEZ_`	`ohh its inactive again for account changes`
`06:37.21`	`WEZ_`	`can't login to forums`
`06:37.35`	`WEZ_`	`so never mind i'll get that sorted when email comes through`
`06:49.41`	`WEZ_`	`hmm email is taking a while`
`06:51.45`	`WEZ_`	`hehe and then it comes :)`
`06:52.41`	`WEZ_`	`okies i'm am now officially back :)`
`06:56.10`	`jomojo`	`WEZ_: which server`
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`07:31.02`	`WEZ_`	`catcha all`
`07:31.18`	`jolie`	`you betta you will with this rollercoaster`
`07:51.59`	`Pimpinella`	`netsplit?`
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`07:52.09`	`jolie`	`yap`
`07:52.23`	`JeffM2501`	`naw it was ibot going on a banination rampage`
`07:52.39`	`jolie`	`lilo jumpin on the cables...`
`07:53.41`	`purple_cow`	`SAND SQUID!`
`07:55.53`	`JeffM2501`	`squid... where?`
`07:56.49`	`purple_cow`	`on my tv`
`07:57.02`	`jolie`	`yum... :S`
`07:58.47`	`Pimpinella`	`hm, tried, but tv is too big, can't get it into my mouth`
`07:59.22`	`jolie`	`we are in germany...`
`07:59.25`	`jolie`	`all is possible ;)`
`07:59.39`	`purple_cow`	`it looked a little rubbery anyway`
`08:00.11`	`Pimpinella`	`and now to something completely different...`
`08:00.52`	`Pimpinella`	`some girls wander my mistake`
`08:01.06`	`Pimpinella`	`s/my/by`
`08:01.49`	`jolie`	`hm farm , Pimpinella , girls , cows..`
`08:03.55`	`JeffM2501`	`mmm salted cottlefish`
`08:04.07`	`jolie`	`ugh fish >_<`
`08:07.12`	`JeffM2501`	`fish can be good`
`08:07.20`	`JeffM2501`	`but cottlefish isn't a fish`
`08:07.27`	`jolie`	`ugh fish >_<`
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`08:48.44`	`jolie`	`uhg..`
`08:49.00`	`jolie`	`muhaha`
`08:49.08`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`08:49.16`	`_Manu_`	`good night brlcad :)`
`08:49.24`	`brlcad`	`howdy _Manu_`
`08:49.28`	`jolie`	`so..`
`08:49.30`	`_Manu_`	`good! :)`
`08:49.46`	`jolie`	`whos in charge here of bz gfx?`
`08:49.50`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad, but a lot of work :/`
`08:49.58`	`brlcad`	`dunno why i'm awake, think i need to go sleep`
`08:50.05`	`jolie`	`sigh*`
`08:50.21`	`brlcad`	`jolie, "in charge"?`
`08:50.26`	`brlcad`	`nobody and everybody`
`08:50.46`	`jolie`	`sigh* <- this is the sort of answer from you that ...`
`08:50.51`	`jolie`	`nm anyways.`
`08:51.10`	`brlcad`	`the devs generally, though if the players don't like something, they are sure to let us know`
`08:52.18`	`brlcad`	`there hasn't really been a graphics artist provide materials yet`
`08:52.36`	`jolie`	`<-graphic artist!`
`08:52.47`	`jolie`	`but invisible towards you ...`
`08:52.48`	`jolie`	`however...`
`08:52.55`	`jolie`	`ill be afk now`
`08:53.31`	`brlcad`	`there are "some" constraints in terms of quality and resolution, but for the most part, there's just been little work on artwork`
`08:54.01`	`purple_cow`	`i may be a draconian princess, but i still have feelings!`
`08:54.38`	`jolie`	`...`
`08:54.49`	`purple_cow`	`teehee`
`08:54.54`	`brlcad`	`:)`
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`09:11.18`	`brlcad`	`~dict mock`
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`09:38.57`	`brlcad`	`search your hard disk for explode1.png, flag.png, blade.png, etc`
`09:39.17`	`brlcad`	`~ww`
`09:39.18`	`ibot`	`There is no such thing as the wrong window, just wrong people`
`09:43.35`	`jomojo`	`is there a gu admin here/`
`10:29.44`	`jpa-`	`lalal`
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`10:38.13`	`bz4404`	`hi`
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`12:10.14`	`ToughShooter`	`Hi Birdie`
`12:11.03`	`Birdie`	`hey`
`12:14.36`	`Grumbler`	`goood mooooorning bzflag`
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`12:30.58`	`menotume`	`morning Grumblers`
`12:31.47`	`menotume`	`tweet tweet`
`12:38.12`	`Grumbler`	`morning menotume`
`12:50.46`	`Bagheera`	`?.... meno, is jpa putting you in diapers......i didnt know you were that OLD.`
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`13:20.50`	`menotume`	`ah ha`
`13:21.04`	`menotume`	`jpa-: <3`
`13:22.35`	`CBG`	`I am trying to understand how teleporters and links work, but the man page is not simple enough. :S Can anyone help?`
`13:22.55`	`menotume`	`you go thru them, they put you somewhere else`
`13:23.05`	`CBG`	`But, the syntax...`
`13:23.10`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`13:23.20`	`CBG`	`link`
`13:23.20`	`CBG`	`name example_link`
`13:23.20`	`CBG`	`# this will link all teleporters randomly to all other teleporters`
`13:23.20`	`CBG`	`from *`
`13:23.20`	`CBG`	`to *`
`13:23.23`	`CBG`	`end`
`13:23.34`	`CBG`	`what do i put at to and from ?`
`13:23.39`	`CBG`	`Link`
`13:23.42`	`CBG`	`NAME`
`13:23.46`	`CBG`	`from ???`
`13:23.49`	`CBG`	`to ???`
`13:23.50`	`CBG`	`end`
`13:23.58`	`Bagheera`	`easy cowboy`
`13:24.13`	`CBG`	`Just the name of another portal?`
`13:24.24`	`Bagheera`	`the "*" is the indication of random`
`13:24.43`	`CBG`	`ok.. but what if I want to link to another specific portal?`
`13:24.54`	`CBG`	`s/portal/teleporter`
`13:25.03`	`Bagheera`	`that depends on the link position in the map file`
`13:25.11`	`Bagheera`	`or at least it did`
`13:25.21`	`Bagheera`	`i dont think they changed it`
`13:25.21`	`CBG`	`eugh.`
`13:25.29`	`menotume`	`you use the NUMBER`
`13:25.38`	`CBG`	`number? O.o`
`13:25.40`	`menotume`	`names are not used (except for editors)`
`13:25.46`	`menotume`	`i think`
`13:25.49`	`CBG`	`teleporters have numbers? :S`
`13:26.02`	`Bagheera`	`ok, so t he first link in the map file has the front side = 0 and the back side = 1`
`13:26.18`	`Bagheera`	`the second has front = 2 and the back = 3`
`13:26.27`	`menotume`	`The first defined TP would be #0`
`13:26.40`	`Bagheera`	`ah yeah, not the first link, the first teleporter`
`13:26.51`	`Bagheera`	`grumble grumble`
`13:27.00`	`CBG`	`so first TP = Front=1, Back = 2, second tp; f=3, b=4?`
`13:27.15`	`Bagheera`	`yep, something like that`
`13:27.40`	`menotume`	`the numbers may start at zero`
`13:27.51`	`CBG`	`oh. yeah. probably`
`13:28.18`	`CBG`	`so to link from the front of the first TP to the back of the 3rd is just: from 0, to 5 ans thats it?`
`13:28.35`	`Bagheera`	`bingo, you win the prize`
`13:28.35`	`blast007`	`I think you can use names too, but I can't recall exactly how it works`
`13:28.40`	`menotume`	`that sounds right`
`13:28.45`	`CBG`	`Numbers will work for me...`
`13:29.06`	`CBG`	`I am putting together a help pack for folks wanting to make and host maps on bzfs`
`13:29.14`	`CBG`	`and want to include an example map...`
`13:29.16`	`Bagheera`	`many of the map tools out t here.....trepan's, cods have built in methods for handling teleporters better`
`13:29.40`	`CBG`	`If the number thing works, then it will do for now :D.`
`13:29.43`	`CBG`	`Cheers guys!`
`13:30.05`	`Bagheera`	`i dont have anything to cheer with`
`13:30.20`	`Bagheera`	`....hmmm, is it too early for beer`
`13:30.30`	`CBG`	`What time is it for you?`
`13:30.38`	`Bagheera`	`9:30 am`
`13:30.48`	`CBG`	`And you haven't started yet?`
`13:30.52`	`Bagheera`	`but i have been up for 3+ hours`
`13:31.08`	`Bagheera`	`well, i do have this whole work thing`
`13:31.18`	`CBG`	`work smurk.`
`13:31.23`	`CBG`	`*shmurk.`
`13:31.37`	`jpa-`	`CBG: just read some another map source..`
`13:31.42`	`jpa-`	`man page sucks on that`
`13:31.57`	`Bagheera`	`jpa does have a nicely done one....`
`13:31.57`	`CBG`	`jpa-:I got it now. (assuming bagheera and meno were right... ) :)`
`13:32.02`	`CBG`	`Where?`
`13:32.14`	`jpa-`	`Bagheera: eh, i have nothing about teleporters`
`13:32.26`	`Bagheera`	`but, it is another map resource`
`13:32.28`	`jpa-`	`and another map source, i mean the "code"`
`13:32.30`	`CBG`	`Any resource is useful...`
`13:32.30`	`blast007`	`"Teleporter names are terminated with either :f (forward) or :b (backwards). The forwards link points to 0 degrees, and the backwards link points to 180. Links are made by pattern matching the teleporter names. The '*' and '?' globbing characters can be used to make multiple matches. If there are multiple matches for the "to" link, then the destination will be selected randomly between the matches in-game."`
`13:32.45`	`*** join/#bzflag bz1516 (~3e9bee32@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`13:32.55`	`CBG`	`I saw that, but it made little sense..`
`13:33.01`	`bz1516`	`hi`
`13:33.08`	`CBG`	`It doesnt say how to link the front of teleporter x to the back of y...`
`13:33.12`	`bz1516`	`hi`
`13:33.13`	`CBG`	`hi bz1516.`
`13:33.17`	`bz1516`	`and`
`13:33.18`	`blast007`	`yes it did :)`
`13:33.20`	`blast007`	`:f and :b`
`13:33.26`	`Bagheera`	`its written in software-ese......ensures their job security`
`13:33.32`	`CBG`	`but to what TP?`
`13:33.44`	`bz1516`	`hey`
`13:33.54`	`blast007`	`you put the name of the teleporter with :f or :b at the end of it`
`13:33.57`	`bz1516`	how can you change your ip`?
`13:34.00`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~atupone@host-84-222-136-114.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`13:34.01`	`CBG`	`the name?`
`13:34.07`	`bz1516`	`the ip`
`13:34.10`	`bz1516`	`nyour ip`
`13:34.13`	`bz1516`	`wait`
`13:34.16`	`CBG`	`oh gawd.`
`13:34.20`	`blast007`	`teleporter [name]`
`13:34.20`	`bz1516`	`what?`
`13:34.22`	`blast007`	`# the [name] tag is used for linkage`
`13:34.26`	`CBG`	`This is not #change_your_IP`
`13:34.30`	`bz1516`	`nno`
`13:34.33`	`CBG`	`Thanks blast 007.`
`13:34.36`	`bz1516`	`how do you change it?`
`13:34.40`	`bz1516`	`your ip`
`13:34.45`	`blast007`	`bz1516: ?`
`13:34.46`	`Bagheera`	`thats what they changed, huh`
`13:34.51`	`CBG`	`bz1516: Go ask at a NON-BZFLAG channel.`
`13:34.51`	`Bagheera`	`makes a little more sense`
`13:34.52`	`bz1516`	`what?`
`13:34.56`	`bz1516`	`yes`
`13:35.00`	`bz1516`	`when you are banned`
`13:35.03`	`bz1516`	`i am not banned`
`13:35.06`	`Bagheera`	`....still needs a better example`
`13:35.07`	`bz1516`	`but my friend it banned`
`13:35.15`	`bz1516`	`but my friend it banned`
`13:35.19`	`CBG`	`Then he deserves to be banned`
`13:35.23`	`CBG`	`and should stay banned.`
`13:35.28`	`bz1516`	`no`
`13:35.39`	`CBG`	`If he/she has a problem with it, they should speak to the server owners/admins.`
`13:35.40`	`blast007`	`if he was accidentally banned in a range, then changing the IP probably won't help`
`13:35.56`	`blast007`	`(it might be an IP in the same range)`
`13:36.00`	`Bagheera`	`he would need to be whitelisted`
`13:36.09`	`bz1516`	`aha`
`13:36.11`	`bz1516`	`only that`
`13:36.12`	`menotume`	`IPs can't be changed, that is why they are used for banning :/`
`13:36.21`	`bz1516`	`they can`
`13:36.23`	`CBG`	`meno is wrong...`
`13:36.25`	`CBG`	`:P`
`13:36.26`	`bz1516`	`usually you have 2 tps`
`13:36.30`	`menotume`	`shhhhhh`
`13:36.33`	`CBG`	`lol`
`13:36.33`	`bz1516`	`2ips`
`13:36.37`	`bz1516`	`ok`
`13:36.40`	`jpa-`	`well, they are usually in the same range`
`13:36.40`	`bz1516`	`nwhat is???`
`13:36.44`	`CBG`	`What about DYNAMIC IPs? :)`
`13:36.49`	`bz1516`	`yes`
`13:36.49`	`CBG`	`jpa-: yes.`
`13:36.52`	`bz1516`	`yes`
`13:36.55`	`menotume`	`shhhhhh`
`13:36.55`	`jpa-`	`so if is was for accidental range, it wont help`
`13:36.56`	`bz1516`	`they change alway`
`13:36.59`	`bz1516`	`always`
`13:37.04`	`CBG`	`Yes.`
`13:37.08`	`jomojo`	`range banning is an extreme measure, that should rarely be done.. but it is often essential.. some players may get hurt because of that... But little can be done.`
`13:37.16`	`blast007`	`you normally have numerous IPs, and your ISP picks one from it's pool of addresses`
`13:37.20`	`jomojo`	`dynamic ips usually only change the last 2 digits`
`13:37.20`	`jpa-`	`and if it is not, and is not a range ban but your friend was an idiot, we won't help`
`13:37.32`	`CBG`	`:) Usually within a range... ;)`
`13:37.39`	`bz1516`	`wait`
`13:37.45`	`bz1516`	`i want to tell something`
`13:37.48`	`bz1516`	`or to ask`
`13:37.56`	`bz1516`	`hello????????????????????????��`
`13:38.03`	`CBG`	`just ask...`
`13:38.03`	`bz1516`	`so`
`13:38.15`	`bz1516`	`when someone writes something to me here`
`13:38.18`	`bz1516`	`only to me`
`13:38.22`	`bz1516`	`how do i get that?`
`13:38.40`	`jpa-`	`you would have to have brains..`
`13:38.43`	`CBG`	`Huh?`
`13:38.43`	`blast007`	`should be in a new tab`
`13:38.45`	`Bagheera`	`man, where is jeffm when you need him`
`13:38.49`	`bz1516`	`cbg write a message to bz1516 now`
`13:38.55`	`CBG`	`I have.`
`13:38.55`	`bz1516`	`only to him`
`13:38.56`	`jpa-`	`argh`
`13:38.58`	`bz1516`	`and`
`13:38.59`	`blast007`	`is there an echo in here?`
`13:39.04`	`bz1516`	`wait`
`13:39.12`	`jomojo`	`bz1516: where is your friend banned at?`
`13:39.14`	`blast007`	`quick, run away!`
`13:39.14`	`menotume`	`i think i know this person :(`
`13:39.15`	`CBG`	`sigh`
`13:39.16`	`*** join/#bzflag bz1516 (~3e9bee32@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`13:39.21`	`bz1516`	`again please`
`13:39.24`	`bz1516`	`cbg`
`13:39.29`	`jpa-`	`we can't see your writing`
`13:39.36`	`bz1516`	`nnow i know`
`13:39.38`	`bz1516`	`nok`
`13:39.41`	`jpa-`	`you may have to press the buttons harder`
`13:39.54`	`bz1516`	`where is jeff`
`13:39.56`	`bz1516`	`oko`
`13:40.05`	`CBG`	`Try stbbing at your keyboard really hard.`
`13:40.07`	`bz1516`	`in america it is 9 o clock now`
`13:40.11`	`jomojo`	`really bz1516 what server is your friend banned at... Then we can see if it is a range or specific ban`
`13:40.13`	`bz1516`	`ok`
`13:40.13`	`CBG`	`If the keys come out it means it is working.`
`13:40.19`	`bz1516`	`i have to see yu-gi-oh`
`13:40.21`	`Birdie`	`its hepcat, and its not his friend but himself:)`
`13:40.21`	`bz1516`	`bye`
`13:40.23`	`blast007`	`bz1516: not _everywhere_ in america ;)`
`13:40.34`	`jomojo`	`whats his ip?`
`13:40.54`	`CBG`	`is Yugi also Saturn and Death Valley?`
`13:40.54`	`blast007`	`62.155.238.50`
`13:40.59`	`jpa-`	`62.155.238.50`
`13:41.00`	`Birdie`	`yep`
`13:41.03`	`blast007`	`:)`
`13:41.14`	`jomojo`	`well yugi will stay banned`
`13:41.15`	`CBG`	`sigh Kids these days...`
`13:41.45`	`jomojo`	`he knows how to change his last 2 digits and has`
`13:41.59`	`menotume`	`Saturn is a major PITA / troll`
`13:41.59`	`jomojo`	`its his first two that he can not change`
`13:42.16`	`CBG`	`~dict PITA`
`13:42.22`	`Bagheera`	`hmm, lunch....chicken stuffed pita`
`13:42.25`	`CBG`	`Ah. ;)`
`13:42.47`	`jpa-`	`i read "children stuffed pita" :S`
`13:43.02`	`jomojo`	`yugi has force a wide range ban`
`13:43.06`	`jomojo`	`on hepcat`
`13:43.07`	`Bagheera`	`oy, thats bent`
`13:43.17`	`jomojo`	`had to ban 62.155`
`13:43.26`	`jomojo`	`..`
`13:43.43`	`menotume`	`ni've seen him as 69.119, i think`
`13:43.54`	`jomojo`	`not i...`
`13:44.01`	`menotume`	`maybe that was a 'friend', though`
`13:44.07`	`Birdie`	`he has 2 ranges`
`13:44.12`	`Birdie`	`62.155 is one of them`
`13:44.16`	`Birdie`	`and 69.119 is the other`
`13:44.18`	`jomojo`	`and i thin he is stuck with 62.155 because he can't get back`
`13:44.39`	`jomojo`	`now that i have banned his whole range a week ago or so`
`13:45.11`	`jomojo`	`i hate doing that, because you know quite a few other innocent players may not be allowed...`
`13:45.35`	`jomojo`	`right now there is a group of college students abusing from the 24. range`
`13:45.49`	`jomojo`	`they have several 24.* numbers`
`13:46.13`	`jomojo`	`but that is one of the most common comcast numbers, out there, and used across the country..`
`13:46.33`	`jomojo`	`including myself`
`13:46.44`	`CBG`	`Talking of IPs, a whole LAN has a single external IP, yes?`
`13:46.55`	`blast007`	`right`
`13:46.57`	`jomojo`	`usually`
`13:46.59`	`CBG`	`Thanks.`
`13:47.30`	`jomojo`	`you can set it up though, with a little bit of effort to give different last numbers in the ip`
`13:47.39`	`CBG`	`Oh.`
`13:47.49`	`blast007`	`hmm`
`13:48.07`	`jomojo`	`comcast offered me a deal, that worked with my router`
`13:48.37`	`jomojo`	`gave it me for one month free. But decided not worth after that.. it was like 5 bucks for each computer or something`
`13:48.38`	`blast007`	`http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=62.155.238.50`
`14:00.04`	`jomojo`	`blast007: can abuse be pointed out for things on bz.. or is it just spamming and such?`
`14:00.12`	`blast007`	`not sure`
`14:00.41`	`jomojo`	`because i got one guy today that was a real pain in the butt...`
`14:01.07`	`jomojo`	`and what is abuse exactly?`
`14:01.17`	`bryjen`	`~dict abuse`
`14:01.31`	`jomojo`	`lol`
`14:01.39`	`jomojo`	`i mean in terms of reporting`
`14:01.41`	`bryjen`	`really it is up to the ISP`
`14:02.07`	`blast007`	`it might be worth emailing them and asking`
`14:02.37`	`*** join/#bzflag bz5864 (~d95dea6f@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`14:02.43`	`bz5864`	`hi again`
`14:03.01`	`bz5864`	`hikowski`
`14:03.30`	`bz5864`	`is nobody here?`
`14:03.40`	`jomojo`	`who are you bz5864?`
`14:03.40`	`blast007`	`nope, no one is here`
`14:03.48`	`bz5864`	`who are you?`
`14:03.52`	`bz5864`	`aha`
`14:03.56`	`jomojo`	`i am jomojo`
`14:04.00`	`bz5864`	`the person from 20 minutes ago`
`14:04.05`	`bz5864`	`a�ha`
`14:04.08`	`bz5864`	`good`
`14:04.10`	`CBG`	`Oh, :) Hi.`
`14:04.12`	`bz5864`	`hi`
`14:04.16`	`bryjen`	`visitors from the past!`
`14:04.18`	`jomojo`	`bz1516 or whatever ?`
`14:04.23`	`bz5864`	`yep`
`14:04.29`	`bz5864`	`had to disconnect`
`14:04.34`	`bz5864`	`i had to do something`
`14:04.35`	`jomojo`	`i see you have changed your location?`
`14:04.41`	`bz5864`	`what?`
`14:04.50`	`jpa-`	`bz5864: so you are the jugi idiot?`
`14:04.50`	`bz5864`	`what have i done?`
`14:04.56`	`bz5864`	`no`
`14:04.58`	`bz5864`	`nope`
`14:04.58`	`jpa-`	`*yugi`
`14:05.02`	`bz5864`	`nope`
`14:05.04`	`jpa-`	`ok, so you are someone else`
`14:05.04`	`jomojo`	`well you are coming from a new ip`
`14:05.08`	`bz5864`	`yep`
`14:05.12`	`blast007`	`yeah, 217.93.234.111 now`
`14:05.13`	`bz5864`	`what?`
`14:05.19`	`bz5864`	`do you see?`
`14:05.21`	`jpa-`	`the person from 20 minutes ago was yugi, so who are you?`
`14:05.30`	`jomojo`	`exactly`
`14:05.32`	`bz5864`	`that was not yugi`
`14:05.34`	`Bagheera`	`~nslookup 217.93.234.111`
`14:05.40`	`jpa-`	`it was yugi's ip`
`14:05.44`	`bz5864`	`really`
`14:05.46`	`bz5864`	`and`
`14:05.46`	`jpa-`	`aha, t-dialin still`
`14:05.55`	`jpa-`	`just a different ip from the spool`
`14:06.01`	`jomojo`	`well odd because it was yugis ip`
`14:06.01`	`bz5864`	`aha`
`14:06.05`	`bryjen`	`~nslookup 62.155.238.50`
`14:06.13`	`bz5864`	`please do not cause me`
`14:06.15`	`bz5864`	`no`
`14:06.18`	`bz5864`	`wrong`
`14:06.24`	`bz5864`	`do not say i am a person`
`14:06.32`	`bz5864`	`there are millions of people`
`14:06.41`	`blast007`	`so you are not a person?`
`14:06.44`	`bz5864`	`and 217.93 can exist 1000 times`
`14:06.45`	`blast007`	`:)`
`14:06.51`	`bz5864`	`really`
`14:06.51`	`bryjen`	`are you a dog?`
`14:06.57`	`bz5864`	`i am christian`
`14:06.58`	`bryjen`	`on the internet, its hard to tell`
`14:06.59`	`jpa-`	`yes it can`
`14:07.01`	`blast007`	`probably a robot chicken`
`14:07.01`	`bryjen`	`;)`
`14:07.05`	`bz5864`	`nope`
`14:07.11`	`jpa-`	`but, well, you seem to be just as idiot as yugi`
`14:07.19`	`jomojo`	`wait wasn't yugis ip from europe?`
`14:07.27`	`bz5864`	`heeeeee?`
`14:07.33`	`jpa-`	`t-dialin.net is from europe?`
`14:07.34`	`bz5864`	`how`
`14:07.45`	`bz5864`	`no`
`14:07.48`	`bz5864`	`it is not`
`14:07.53`	`blast007`	`yeah, think it is`
`14:07.55`	`jomojo`	`don't know but this ip is from phoenix azizona`
`14:08.01`	`bz5864`	`yep`
`14:08.02`	`jomojo`	`arizona`
`14:08.02`	`bz5864`	`see`
`14:08.04`	`bz5864`	`see`
`14:08.17`	`bz5864`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:08.26`	`blast007`	`http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/city.ch?ip=217.93.234.111`
`14:08.30`	`bz5864`	`what?`
`14:08.33`	`blast007`	`germany`
`14:08.57`	`bz5864`	`what?`
`14:09.23`	`jpa-`	`log-23-04-05-19-10:Player Yugi [0] has joined from 217.93.235.77 at 2005-04-23 20:41:17 with token "1704894763"`
`14:09.23`	`jomojo`	`wait one second`
`14:09.32`	`jpa-`	`yugi uses same ip's too`
`14:09.44`	`bz5864`	`aha`
`14:09.46`	`jpa-`	`while it can be t-dialin's spool..`
`14:09.50`	`bz5864`	`why is it my fault?`
`14:09.57`	`bz5864`	`when he has the same ip?`
`14:10.05`	`jpa-`	`bz5864: well it seems you are yugi`
`14:10.09`	`jomojo`	`he doesn't have the same ip`
`14:10.10`	`bz5864`	`nope`
`14:10.13`	`jomojo`	`wait`
`14:10.15`	`jpa-`	`i'm sorry if you aren't, but we'd like to know`
`14:10.19`	`jomojo`	`wait one second`
`14:10.25`	`bz5864`	`again one sec`
`14:10.27`	`jpa-`	`so we are checking it out`
`14:10.33`	`bz5864`	`how?`
`14:10.34`	`jomojo`	`yugi is german, this guy is from phoenix`
`14:10.40`	`bz5864`	`yep`
`14:10.47`	`jpa-`	`jomojo: how do you know that from phoenix?`
`14:10.48`	`blast007`	`where are you getting that?`
`14:10.53`	`bz5864`	`i said`
`14:10.56`	`bryjen`	`t-dialin.net = Deutsche Telekom AG = a big german telco`
`14:11.03`	`jpa-`	`his ip is from german`
`14:11.04`	`jomojo`	`look up his ip`
`14:11.11`	`jomojo`	`not what i am seeing`
`14:11.13`	`jpa-`	`jomojo: bah, you are looking the webchat ip?`
`14:11.13`	`blast007`	`I did, and it said Germany :)`
`14:11.29`	`jomojo`	`perhaps`
`14:11.35`	`bz5864`	`what?`
`14:11.37`	`jpa-`	`the bzflag webchat service is somewhere, decode the hex string in his hostmask`
`14:11.39`	`blast007`	`his IP is 217.93.235.77`
`14:11.45`	`blast007`	`er, wait`
`14:11.49`	`jpa-`	`is not`
`14:11.49`	`blast007`	`copied the wrong one`
`14:11.54`	`blast007`	`217.93.234.111`
`14:11.55`	`bz5864`	`so`
`14:11.56`	`jpa-`	`217.93.234.111`
`14:11.59`	`bryjen`	`webchat.bzflag.bz is probly secretplace`
`14:12.00`	`bz5864`	`am i yugi or not?`
`14:12.02`	`jomojo`	`okay how do i see his actual ip`
`14:12.07`	`bz5864`	`i say i am not`
`14:12.24`	`bryjen`	`the hex digits between the ~ and the @`
`14:12.26`	`jpa-`	`bz5864: seems you are.. while, you could just be someone else german idiot :)`
`14:13.00`	`bz5864`	`yes`
`14:13.00`	`bz5864`	`that can be`
`14:13.06`	`jpa-`	`but, lets resolve the banned case`
`14:13.16`	`jpa-`	`so, you or your friend is banned?`
`14:13.25`	`jpa-`	`and what country are you from?`
`14:13.39`	`bz5864`	`what is my ip?`
`14:13.46`	`bz5864`	`now`
`14:13.46`	`jomojo`	`okay fill me in on how exactly i look up his actual ip, if i can`
`14:13.52`	`ToughShooter`	`t-dialin.net != Deutsche Telekom AG`
`14:13.57`	`blast007`	`jomojo: http://blast.game-host.org:10080/sbo.php?ip=d95dea6f`
`14:14.11`	`ToughShooter`	`t-dialin.net == T-Online`
`14:14.15`	`bz5864`	`and?`
`14:14.30`	`bryjen`	`TS? are they owned by....`
`14:14.42`	`Pimpinella`	`t-online is a 100% daughter of DTAG`
`14:14.47`	`jpa-`	`bz5864: what country are you from?`
`14:14.57`	`blast007`	`ToughShooter: according to a whois on the IP, it _is_ "Deutsche Telekom AG"`
`14:14.58`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, has it changed recently?`
`14:14.59`	`bz5864`	`what do you expect?`
`14:15.00`	`Pimpinella`	`oh, no. not anymore`
`14:15.09`	`bz5864`	`the country`
`14:15.16`	`jpa-`	`bz5864: i expect nothing, you answer.`
`14:15.23`	`bz5864`	`say my ip`
`14:15.28`	`jpa-`	`nope`
`14:15.31`	`bz5864`	`ok`
`14:15.44`	`blast007`	`"my ip" there, I said it ;)`
`14:15.55`	`bz5864`	`i am in germany, berlin`
`14:16.00`	`Pimpinella`	`bz5864: this is not a quiz, and u're not the quizmaster :/`
`14:16.01`	`bryjen`	`hehe. blast007 types faster`
`14:16.06`	`blast007`	`:)`
`14:16.09`	`bz5864`	`i am in berlin`
`14:16.28`	`bz5864`	`and?`
`14:16.29`	`jpa-`	`so, who is banned?`
`14:16.35`	`bz5864`	`dunno`
`14:16.37`	`bz5864`	`me not`
`14:16.56`	`jpa-`	`dunno? 20 minutes ago you said your friend was banned by accident`
`14:17.14`	`bz5864`	`i said`
`14:17.19`	`bz5864`	`my bzflag friend`
`14:17.38`	`Pimpinella`	`make`
`14:17.54`	`bz5864`	`ich sprech jetzt deutsch`
`14:17.55`	`jpa-`	`bz5864: so what is his ip?`
`14:18.02`	`bryjen`	`Pimpinella: no rule for target 'all'. stop.`
`14:18.07`	`Pimpinella`	`it's not an german cjannel...`
`14:18.09`	`bz5864`	`ich habe keine lust mehr englisch zu spreshen`
`14:18.13`	`Pimpinella`	`;)`
`14:18.26`	`bz5864`	`he didnt say his ip`
`14:18.30`	`Pimpinella`	`choose another channel then`
`14:18.34`	`CBG`	`~x de en ich habe keine lust mehr englisch zu spreshen`
`14:18.46`	`bz5864`	`nope`
`14:18.46`	`jpa-`	`bz5864: well, we can do nothing about it then`
`14:18.50`	`CBG`	`~x de en ich sprech jetzt deutsch`
`14:19.01`	`bz5864`	`his ip was 62`
`14:19.04`	`jpa-`	`we don't know the server he was from, neither his ip`
`14:19.12`	`Pimpinella`	`CBG: he's to lazy to continue speaking english and desires to continue in german`
`14:19.15`	`bz5864`	`something with 62.163`
`14:19.18`	`CBG`	`~x en de, Go away Yugi. Stop wasting our time.`
`14:19.27`	`CBG`	`Pimpinella: I figured that out.`
`14:19.28`	`Pimpinella`	`lol`
`14:19.33`	`CBG`	`:D`
`14:19.34`	`bz5864`	`so`
`14:19.40`	`bz5864`	`canaedis`
`14:19.47`	`CBG`	`bz5864: gehen yugi. Anschlag der weg, derunsere Zeit vergeudet.`
`14:20.07`	`bz5864`	`stulti pueri estis`
`14:20.20`	`jpa-`	`bz5864: and the server?`
`14:20.30`	`bz5864`	`today i still wanted to play`
`14:20.30`	`jomojo`	`hmm i can not get the permban to work on hepcat`
`14:20.33`	`CBG`	`stulti pueri estis is not german.`
`14:20.33`	`bz5864`	`and not to discuss`
`14:20.34`	`Pimpinella`	`you're saturn?`
`14:20.37`	`jomojo`	`any thoughts`
`14:20.38`	`bz5864`	`what?`
`14:20.46`	`bz5864`	`i stay anonym`
`14:20.55`	`CBG`	`yugi = saturn = death valley`
`14:21.04`	`bryjen`	`ping brlcad / learner_`
`14:21.05`	`bz5864`	`stulti pueri estis is latin`
`14:21.12`	`bz5864`	`item item`
`14:21.39`	`bz5864`	`yugi=saturn=death valley`
`14:21.55`	`bz5864`	`what is that?`
`14:21.55`	`bz5864`	`ok`
`14:21.55`	`CBG`	`You.`
`14:21.55`	`bz5864`	`aha`
`14:21.55`	`bz5864`	`lol`
`14:21.55`	`bz5864`	`me`
`14:21.55`	`CBG`	`:)`
`14:21.57`	`bz5864`	`nope`
`14:21.58`	`bz5864`	`ok`
`14:22.03`	`CBG`	`~x en de You.`
`14:22.07`	`bz5864`	`bye stulti pueri`
`14:22.09`	`CBG`	`Got it?`
`14:22.13`	`bz5864`	`nope`
`14:22.16`	`bz5864`	`stultus sum`
`14:22.19`	`bz5864`	`bye`
`14:22.26`	`Pimpinella`	`ack`
`14:22.28`	`jpa-`	`bye`
`14:22.32`	`CBG`	`Idiot. :/`
`14:22.37`	`jpa-`	`i think he was yugi`
`14:22.49`	`ToughShooter`	`Yup, seems so`
`14:22.53`	`CBG`	`He was an idiot either way.`
`14:23.16`	`Bagheera`	`its almost time for jeffM, the child herder to join`
`14:23.25`	`CBG`	`Hehe.`
`14:23.32`	`CBG`	`Yugi got out just in time. lol`
`14:23.35`	`*** topic/#bzflag by Bagheera -> http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ \|\| http://my.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag \|\| http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp \|\| http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download \|\| http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking \|\| MAL=4`
`14:23.56`	`CBG`	`stulti pueri estis = foolishly boy are`
`14:24.13`	`CBG`	`Yugi called me foolish.... O.o Rofl! :D`
`14:24.16`	`ToughShooter`	`~x de en Gesundheit`
`14:24.24`	`Bagheera`	`allergic to hugs?`
`14:24.49`	`ToughShooter`	`jpa-: Do you have a hugging bug in your code?`
`14:24.52`	`bryjen`	`More noise was made accusing him than he made himself. the worst he did was "my 'friend' was banned" which may be silly, but not worth harrassing him.`
`14:24.52`	`Bagheera`	`ToughShooter, we use gesundheit here as well.....although most have no clue what they are saying`
`14:25.08`	`jpa-`	`ToughShooter: bug? feature you mean?`
`14:25.09`	`ToughShooter`	`Bagheera: heh`
`14:25.17`	`orchid`	`bryjen: yes, it seemed a bit ridiculous`
`14:25.19`	`jpa-`	`not much else in my code anyway..`
`14:29.04`	`blast007`	`hehe :)`
`14:29.38`	`jomojo`	`well i update yugis new range on hepcat so it was helpful for him to come`
`14:30.37`	`orchid`	`mm, german toast to go with my german spam`
`14:31.07`	`Bagheera`	`theres such a thing as german toast..`
`14:31.32`	`ToughShooter`	`jomojo: Still using IP-range bans instead of hostbans?`
`14:32.56`	`jomojo`	`well whats the difference?`
`14:33.01`	`Bagheera`	`theres a beer in the toaster, dear liza, dear liza, theres a beer in the toaster, dear l iza a beer\`
`14:33.24`	`jomojo`	`ToughShooter: whats the difference?`
`14:33.37`	`orchid`	`Bagheera: pumpernickel bread makes awesome toast`
`14:33.38`	`ToughShooter`	`it is /ban 127.0.0.1 1440 reason versus /hostban localhost 1440 reason`
`14:33.49`	`blast007`	`with a hostban, you could ban the entire ISP without having to know all the ranges`
`14:33.50`	`Bagheera`	`is pumpernickel german`
`14:34.03`	`orchid`	`Bagheera: its close enough for me`
`14:34.07`	`ToughShooter`	`You are likely to get much more people with IP-range bans`
`14:34.09`	`CBG`	`Would you want to ban the whole ISP?`
`14:34.17`	`ToughShooter`	`Bagheera: The name is german`
`14:34.19`	`Bagheera`	`ah...one of them there foreign breads`
`14:34.35`	`jomojo`	`so how would i ban yugi host per say?`
`14:34.35`	`ToughShooter`	`Check my IP-adress...`
`14:35.06`	`ToughShooter`	`it would be /hostban t-dialin.net 100000000 T-Online banned thanks to Yugi`
`14:35.32`	`ToughShooter`	`~nslookup 84.176.4.53`
`14:35.54`	`ToughShooter`	`Quite similar to T-Online's IP ranges`
`14:36.34`	`jomojo`	`so if i were to ban your permanently, which i am not it would be p54B00435.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 0 test`
`14:36.54`	`blast007`	`that would just ban the one ip`
`14:37.04`	`ToughShooter`	`Nope, dip0.t-ipconnect.de`
`14:37.06`	`blast007`	`assuming you can do *.t-ipconnect.de`
`14:37.53`	`ToughShooter`	`dip0 and the following is static, identifier changes from ip to ip, so * is needed before dip0`
`14:38.15`	`ToughShooter`	`Hostbans require ADNS in old server versions by the way`
`14:38.42`	`jomojo`	`it doesnt appear that hepcat supports hostbans`
`14:39.29`	`ToughShooter`	`That means it runs a too old server version, or server was build without ADNS in mind`
`14:39.47`	`jomojo`	`really it runs 2.0.3`
`14:40.00`	`ToughShooter`	`Hostnames in /playerlist?`
`14:40.01`	`jomojo`	`maybe i am doint something incorrecty`
`14:40.39`	`jomojo`	`warning: host patterns not supported in this compilation`
`14:41.11`	`jomojo`	`no`
`14:41.16`	`jomojo`	`i see`
`14:41.33`	`jomojo`	`it was something that was not included such as dub or pimpis`
`14:42.29`	`jomojo`	`but you say a host ban will reject fewer players than 217.93.. would`
`14:42.51`	`ToughShooter`	`if hostnames appear in playerlist I think it is a safe assumption that people can be hostbanned`
`14:43.02`	`jomojo`	`but since they are not`
`14:43.14`	`jomojo`	`it may be a safe assumption that hepcat is not set up for that`
`14:43.52`	`ToughShooter`	`I dunno when Tupone switched over to c-ares instead of requiring ADNS`
`14:45.09`	`ToughShooter`	`CVS builds should support hostbans when built via ./autogen.sh;./configure;make`
`14:45.39`	`ToughShooter`	`on the other hand CVS builds aren't that stable as the big releases`
`14:48.19`	`blast007`	`2.0.2 apparently had the c-ares source tree in it, but it wasn't used yet`
`14:49.08`	`jomojo`	`so are we going to have a master banlist or what`
`14:49.38`	`blast007`	`hmm? there is one`
`14:50.10`	`ToughShooter`	`I was told by Jeff that they won't put stuff into it that could catch other players`
`14:50.24`	`blast007`	`ah, yeah, only single IPs`
`14:58.08`	`CBG`	`Are meshbox and meshpyr the same (map code wise) as box and pyr, respectively?`
`14:58.32`	`jpa-`	`uh, yes and no`
`14:58.51`	`CBG`	`In what ways do they differ?`
`14:59.30`	`jpa-`	`everything you can do with box, you can do with meshbox`
`14:59.37`	`jpa-`	`but not vice-versa`
`14:59.56`	`CBG`	`Yeah. Ok.`
`15:00.04`	`CBG`	`That help.s Thanks.`
`15:00.26`	`CBG`	`You can color, shift, shear, etc meshboxes but not boxes, correct?`
`15:00.34`	`jpa-`	`yup`
`15:00.46`	`CBG`	`:D`
`15:01.05`	`Bagheera`	`you can also create boxes you can jump up through, and land on top`
`15:01.13`	`Bagheera`	`mesh boxes t hat is`
`15:01.27`	`jpa-`	`hmm?`
`15:01.37`	`Bagheera`	`man, the space bar this keyboard i s real sensitive`
`15:01.57`	`jpa-`	`stop pressing it :)`
`15:02.10`	`Bagheera`	`take a look at the louman post on bzbb.....you can add shoot/drive through attributes per face on a mesh box`
`15:02.20`	`jpa-`	`ah`
`15:03.25`	`Bagheera`	`heh, all the power to him`
`15:03.30`	`Bagheera`	`push the tech`
`15:06.03`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com)`
`15:08.56`	`CBG`	`I have a map with 2 bases (teams 1 and 2) and it works ok as a FFA map where the bases are just boxes...`
`15:09.04`	`CBG`	`But when i try to run bzfs with -c it says Blue base is missing. :/`
`15:09.53`	`CBG`	`Would it have anything to do with -mp ?`
`15:09.55`	`blast007`	`you need to use -mp to only allow players for the two teams`
`15:10.00`	`CBG`	`Hmm. OK.`
`15:10.03`	`CBG`	`Thanks.`
`15:10.06`	`blast007`	`:)`
`15:10.11`	`CBG`	`:)`
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`15:15.03`	`bz8593`	`hi`
`15:15.36`	`bz8593`	`is here anybody????????????`
`15:17.30`	`CBG`	`Was that him? Again....`
`15:17.39`	`SportChick`	`some people have no patience`
`15:17.40`	`SportChick`	`who?`
`15:17.51`	`blast007`	`yeah, that was him again :)`
`15:17.54`	`CBG`	`Yugi / Saturn / Death Valley`
`15:17.57`	`CBG`	`lol.`
`15:18.05`	`blast007`	`217.93.254.159`
`15:18.20`	`CBG`	`Can you ban IPs on Channels...?`
`15:18.24`	`blast007`	`yup`
`15:18.28`	`CBG`	`so...?`
`15:18.28`	`SportChick`	`what a pain he is`
`15:18.58`	`CBG`	`What are we waiting for? lol :P`
`15:21.54`	`Birdie`	`he is not joining with a client`
`15:22.06`	`Birdie`	`with his own client i mean`
`15:22.14`	`Birdie`	`its like you go to a site and join irc from there`
`15:23.59`	`blast007`	`we can still ban him`
`15:24.25`	`blast007`	`his IP is in hex at the start of his hostmask`
`15:27.03`	`CBG`	`Yes.. BAN! lol`
`15:28.31`	`CBG`	`Is the syntax of this correct: +f good{3} bad{3} SW{1} RC{1} ?`
`15:28.35`	`Birdie`	`but his ip changes all the time`
`15:28.40`	`Birdie`	`he has 3 ranges i think`
`15:28.47`	`Birdie`	`with the first 2 numbers the same`
`15:33.31`	`blast007`	`CBG: no, you'll need a +f for each flag type`
`15:34.01`	`CBG`	`blast007: ok. and the same applies when using -f to disable flags?`
`15:34.06`	`blast007`	`yup`
`15:34.14`	`CBG`	`Thanks :D`
`15:34.16`	`blast007`	`and just so you know (if you don't already), good{3} inserts 3 of _every_ flag, not just 3 flags`
`15:34.26`	`CBG`	`Oh!`
`15:34.34`	`blast007`	`same with bad{3}`
`15:34.40`	`CBG`	`Ok. Thanks.`
`15:34.45`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`15:34.54`	`CBG`	`Well, thats a bummer.`
`15:34.54`	`CBG`	`lol`
`15:37.05`	`CBG`	`You know some people running bzfs will need to use -publiclist http://my.BZFlag.org:81/db/ to bypass their proxy or whatever...`
`15:37.21`	`CBG`	`Does using -publiclist http://my.BZFlag.org:81/db/ have any ill affects if you use it when you don't nee to?`
`15:37.51`	`blast007`	`it shouldn't`
`15:37.54`	`blast007`	`it goes to the same page`
`15:38.04`	`CBG`	`Ok.Thanks again... :)`
`15:38.05`	`blast007`	`just a different port`
`15:38.08`	`blast007`	`:)`
`15:40.35`	`CBG`	`and +s num will add num random good flags... Yes?`
`15:42.13`	`blast007`	`yeah, I think`
`15:42.22`	`blast007`	`I'm not as familiar with +s and -s`
`15:42.29`	`CBG`	`Lets hope...`
`15:42.59`	`CBG`	`I don't want to have to define each good and bad flag I want individually with +f and -f...`
`15:44.51`	`CBG`	`does -t enable teleporters or add random teleporters?`
`15:48.39`	`blast007`	`-t only works for random maps`
`15:48.50`	`CBG`	`Ok... Thanks once again. :D`
`15:49.07`	`CBG`	`I should be done with the configurations now...`
`15:49.12`	`blast007`	`:)`
`15:50.14`	`CBG`	`If my conf file is in /Users/User/conf.conf (mac os x) then -conf "conf.conf" should work, right?`
`15:51.30`	`blast007`	`no idea :)`
`15:51.41`	`CBG`	`gah.`
`15:51.51`	`blast007`	`if you supply the full path, it should work fine`
`15:52.04`	`blast007`	`-conf "/Users/User/conf.conf"`
`15:52.47`	`CBG`	`But I am in the correct dir`
`15:52.56`	`CBG`	`If I do ls it shows the file is there!`
`15:54.02`	`CBG`	`:( gah.`
`16:00.00`	`CBG`	`Full path also wont work.`
`16:00.07`	`CBG`	`the file is plain text...`
`16:02.23`	`blast007`	`what error does it give?`
`16:02.38`	`CBG`	`error: could not find bzflag configuration file`
`16:02.44`	`blast007`	`hmm`
`16:03.13`	`CBG`	`I typed it in a HTML text editor, then copied to text edit, truned to plain text and saved.`
`16:03.20`	`CBG`	`so it should work...`
`16:04.11`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`16:11.14`	`ToughShooter`	`Nope`
`16:11.26`	`ToughShooter`	`Make sure you use LF linebreaks`
`16:11.36`	`CBG`	`LF?`
`16:11.43`	`ToughShooter`	`Chr(10)`
`16:12.19`	`*** part/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-004-101.arcor-ip.net)`
`16:12.23`	`ToughShooter`	`It's an ASCII char used for controling linebreaks`
`16:12.39`	`CBG`	`How do I do that?`
`16:14.13`	`ToughShooter`	`Press enter, depending on app it will deliver either Chr(10), Chr(13) or Chr(13) + Chr(10)`
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`16:14.45`	`ToughShooter`	`So you can't be sure which linebreaks are used in a browser`
`16:14.45`	`menotume`	`hi Tupone`
`16:14.50`	`Tupone`	`hi`
`16:15.04`	`CBG`	`How do I change which it uses? (Text Edit)`
`16:15.10`	`ToughShooter`	`To convert I would suggest an editor like SubEthaEdit`
`16:15.42`	`CBG`	`O.o`
`16:15.58`	`ToughShooter`	`It has a format-menu that includes commands to convert between the endings`
`16:16.00`	`CBG`	`I have copied and pasted text from within safari before now...`
`16:16.12`	`CBG`	`Can I open the file in Sarfari and copy and paste into a new file?`
`16:17.33`	`blast007`	`there's probably a way to convert to Unix style with Text Edit`
`16:17.36`	`ToughShooter`	`I bet it's the line endings. Opening and pasting with a browser are unlikely to change them`
`16:17.50`	`SportChick`	`Tupone: hiya!`
`16:17.54`	`ToughShooter`	`SubEthaEdit is free for non-commercial use`
`16:17.56`	`Tupone`	`hey`
`16:18.10`	`CBG`	`Ok. Thanks.`
`16:18.16`	`menotume`	`i never understood why linux apps can't just ignore CR`
`16:18.18`	`Tupone`	`SportChick: I thing I have got what is your problem`
`16:18.32`	`Tupone`	`now , the fix have to come`
`16:18.33`	`Bagheera`	`or the old unix2dos and dos2unix commands`
`16:18.35`	`SportChick`	`Tupone: really? great!`
`16:19.37`	`ToughShooter`	`I could patch it for bzfs but I was too lazy. :/`
`16:24.15`	`bryjen`	`the code that reads in -conf files looks like it handles returns, newlines, tabs, or spaces as separators`
`16:24.33`	`bryjen`	`so your file could be all one line ;)`
`16:25.20`	`CBG`	`bryjen: talking to me? :)`
`16:25.58`	`bryjen`	`just anyone who may be listening ;) but i don't think line-endings should be bothering you`
`16:30.20`	`CBG`	`btyjen: They seem to be. God know what else it could be.`
`16:35.29`	`ToughShooter`	`Difference between CR and LF: http://pastebin.com/289563`
`16:37.00`	`CBG`	`Which is that? :S`
`16:37.40`	`ToughShooter`	`Obviously first try is with CR, second with LF`
`16:39.34`	`bryjen`	`bleh`
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`16:40.41`	`ToughShooter`	`bryjen: ?`
`16:41.54`	`bryjen`	`that's just silly. he creates a file on his mac, the mac bzfs shouldn't have problems with it :(`
`16:43.03`	`CBG`	`I created the file in "CreaText" a free HTML editor.`
`16:43.29`	`CBG`	`(because it doesnt war the text and I was trying to comment out each line... and its easier if the lines arent wrapped... bleh.)`
`16:45.27`	`*** part/#bzflag quantumdot (~Juan@desorden.ifca.unican.es)`
`16:47.30`	`CIA-12`	`BZFlag: 03galkire * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5s: added more info for links`
`16:50.54`	`Bagheera`	`is there a reason that the manpages are not cleaned as part of the make clean?`
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`16:52.03`	`learner_`	`Bagheera: not likely`
`16:52.46`	`learner`	`they were added to the distclean, thoughprobably`
`16:53.09`	`learner`	`they just don't change very often`
`16:55.16`	`menotume`	`make sterilized`
`16:55.31`	`Bagheera`	`i am sure its in there somewhere`
`16:55.36`	`learner`	`distclean is "probably" where they belong so that folks don't have to run the screwy processing step on a source distribution`
`16:56.19`	`learner`	`the only two that "really matter", imo is clean and distclean`
`16:56.47`	`menotume`	`what does disclaen do? remove automake stuff ?`
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`17:02.56`	`learner`	`menotume: basically, it removes the stuff added by the autogen.sh steps`
`17:03.40`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~Matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`17:03.41`	`learner`	`i.e. all your Makefile.in files, your configure script, and anything else manually marked as a DISTCLEANFILES`
`17:03.49`	`JeffM2501`	`learner, do dynamicly loaded modules on OSX have problems where one module allocates memory, and another frees it?`
`17:04.23`	`learner`	`JeffM2501: not that I've heard of, though I've not heard of anyone trying that either`
`17:04.34`	`learner`	`don't see why it would technically be a problem`
`17:04.59`	`JeffM2501`	`windows has a problem with it`
`17:05.06`	`JeffM2501`	`and I'm geting into the situation with STL`
`17:05.19`	`JeffM2501`	`:(`
`17:05.37`	`Chestal`	`static vars can also be a problem`
`17:05.37`	`JeffM2501`	`guessing it was only a windows problem`
`17:05.52`	`Chestal`	`becauss they _might_ be duplicated in each dll / shared object`
`17:06.01`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah don't have any statics`
`17:06.11`	`Chestal`	`some STL implementations have some internally`
`17:06.29`	`JeffM2501`	`problem I hit is a std::string that was made in the DLL, is grown in the main app, then it dies when it's freed in the DLL again`
`17:06.32`	`Chestal`	`that could mess things up when one shares some map object`
`17:06.32`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`17:06.48`	`JeffM2501`	`well then I'll convert it all to C style stuff`
`17:06.51`	`Chestal`	`I had this problem lots of years ago`
`17:06.52`	`learner`	`ahh, yes`
`17:06.54`	`JeffM2501`	`or wrap it`
`17:07.00`	`learner`	`had a similar problem with the singleton code`
`17:07.15`	`learner`	`multiple instances in independant libraries`
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`17:11.01`	`JeffM2501`	`well it'll be a good test of the API versioning code :)`
`17:13.13`	`learner`	`you sure it's not your massive use of references? :)`
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`17:13.56`	`learner`	`std::string shouldn't internally be a problem since it's passed by copy unless you pass references around`
`17:14.09`	`learner`	`s/copy/value/`
`17:14.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I have a class`
`17:14.29`	`JeffM2501`	`that that contains them`
`17:14.35`	`JeffM2501`	`a pointer to the class is sent in`
`17:14.52`	`JeffM2501`	`the main code will add to the strings in the class ( and grow them )`
`17:15.03`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's kinda a refrence`
`17:15.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not pass by value`
`17:15.08`	`learner`	`"add the strings" ?`
`17:15.19`	`learner`	`you mean set their value?`
`17:15.22`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`17:15.36`	`JeffM2501`	`so the template code they use will be in in the main app module`
`17:15.42`	`JeffM2501`	`to add new mem to the string`
`17:15.51`	`learner`	`ahh, it's a template class?`
`17:15.57`	`JeffM2501`	`std::string is`
`17:16.05`	`learner`	`yeah, but the class itself?`
`17:16.10`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`17:16.14`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: I saved my conf file as a plain text file but it wont run.`
`17:16.14`	`learner`	`hmm`
`17:16.17`	`JeffM2501`	`the class is just defined in the headers`
`17:16.25`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, huh?`
`17:16.45`	`CBG`	`ToughShooter suggested it was to do with the returns`
`17:16.55`	`CBG`	`s/returns/linebreaks`
`17:16.56`	`JeffM2501`	`DO WHAT?`
`17:17.00`	`JeffM2501`	`I can't read your mind`
`17:17.02`	`learner`	`bz doesn't care about line endings in the conf file`
`17:17.14`	`CBG`	`Why won't it work?`
`17:17.19`	`CBG`	`Its a plain text file...`
`17:17.24`	`learner`	`how was it made?`
`17:18.12`	`jpa-`	`Thumper_: you should modify the patch just to make bullets phantom-zone, not to skip them :)`
`17:18.22`	`jpa-`	`so one could see that otherone is shooting her`
`17:18.35`	`CBG`	`I copied it from the site (In Safari), pasted into a html editor (CreaText), then copied and pasted into TextEdit, set as Plain Text then saved.`
`17:19.27`	`ToughShooter`	`learner: It won't work with CR line endings`
`17:20.16`	`learner`	`CBG: which site? the html conf generator or the example conf?`
`17:20.23`	`CBG`	`The example...`
`17:20.35`	`learner`	`that's the problem, there's an error in there`
`17:20.47`	`learner`	`rather, something you're supposed to set`
`17:20.55`	`learner`	`i forget which line exactly`
`17:21.01`	`CBG`	`I have actually commented out 90% of it.`
`17:21.19`	`CBG`	`But maybe today is not my lucky day...`
`17:21.28`	`learner`	`it's something near the beginning`
`17:21.29`	`learner`	`iirc`
`17:21.30`	`CBG`	`Anyone know what line is the error?`
`17:22.04`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, I read HTML and assumed you've opened it in a browser`
`17:22.11`	`CBG`	`I can give you the file... But its kinda big...`
`17:22.18`	`ToughShooter`	`Pastebin it`
`17:22.36`	`CBG`	`No, copied from Safari, into HTML EDITOR, copied into Text edito...... etc`
`17:22.39`	`CBG`	`Ok will do.`
`17:24.17`	`ToughShooter`	`When browsers are involved it isn't save to assume browsers always use LF`
`17:24.40`	`CBG`	`I have copied stuff from the bzw man page before and it worked fine...`
`17:24.45`	`CBG`	`conf file: http://pastebin.ca/12609`
`17:24.47`	`ToughShooter`	`Firefox for example uses CR`
`17:25.25`	`jpa-`	`uh`
`17:25.35`	`jpa-`	`so it tells the error that it can't find the file?`
`17:25.42`	`CBG`	`Yes...`
`17:25.55`	`jpa-`	`so, might it be it can't find it?`
`17:26.03`	`jpa-`	`what command are you running bzfs with?`
`17:26.05`	`CBG`	`No... Im pretty sure It can.`
`17:26.13`	`learner`	`ToughShooter: if it does actually matter (which it still "shouldn't") then that would be a bug that should be reported -- might be platform specific`
`17:26.22`	`CBG`	`-conf "conf.conf"`
`17:26.41`	`learner`	`CBG: ahh, not finding the file altogether is a different problem`
`17:26.54`	`learner`	`that conf.conf would have to be in your current directory`
`17:27.00`	`CBG`	`Yes. It is.`
`17:27.02`	`learner`	`feed it a full path`
`17:27.07`	`CBG`	`tried that.`
`17:27.09`	`jpa-`	`does it require those ""?`
`17:27.12`	`CBG`	`Same error.`
`17:27.17`	`jpa-`	`linux or windows?`
`17:27.20`	`jpa-`	`or mac?`
`17:27.22`	`CBG`	`Mac OS X`
`17:27.35`	`jpa-`	`isn't it -config?`
`17:27.43`	`CBG`	`not to my knowledge`
`17:27.44`	`jpa-`	`hmm no`
`17:27.47`	`jpa-`	`-conf :/`
`17:28.07`	`ToughShooter`	`http://pastebin.com/289591`
`17:28.11`	`learner`	`ehm, that conf file you posted is similarly invalid`
`17:28.23`	`learner`	`-p [PORT] and several other lines are you going to work`
`17:28.35`	`learner`	`s/are you/are not/`
`17:28.42`	`CBG`	`awww. gawd.`
`17:28.48`	`CBG`	`Did I not comment them out?`
`17:28.49`	`ToughShooter`	`wrong line endings lead to message that file isn't found`
`17:29.10`	`learner`	`you didn't, nor is their english description commented out`
`17:29.18`	`CBG`	`So sorry guys.`
`17:29.20`	`CBG`	`:(`
`17:29.34`	`learner`	`i cound at least five lines at a glance`
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`17:29.48`	`CBG`	`sigh so sorry. :(`
`17:30.07`	`ToughShooter`	`obviously I get the usage error`
`17:30.12`	`learner`	`6 lines`
`17:30.46`	`menotume`	`does any1 know how to change colors in the config file ? For example, how to change 'blue shots' on radar`
`17:34.23`	`ToughShooter`	`CBG: This one should work: http://pastebin.com/289595`
`17:35.13`	`CBG`	`Wow. Thanks! :D`
`17:35.23`	`CBG`	`menotume: In your client config?`
`17:35.49`	`Chestal`	`menotume: set blueradar 0.0 0.5 1.0 should work I think`
`17:36.00`	`menotume`	`ahhh, okies - thx`
`17:36.01`	`CBG`	`menotume: to change the color of a tank on the radar: set blueradar "0 0.2 1"`
`17:36.07`	`CBG`	`awww. :( lol`
`17:36.22`	`ToughShooter`	`CBG: You should still be able to reproduce your fault`
`17:36.38`	`CBG`	`ToughShooter: Why would I want to? :S`
`17:37.15`	`ToughShooter`	`learner: I've thought about reporting it but decided to fix it, so I hadn't filed a bug yet. Unluckily I was too lazy to fix it, too. :/`
`17:37.50`	`learner`	`~ToughShooter--`
`17:37.53`	`learner`	`:)`
`17:38.46`	`Tupone`	`JeffM2501: do you know how to check if that apply to SportChick -> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=274323`
`17:43.21`	`SportChick`	`Tupone: interesting notice. I just checked my registry and didn't see any of those listed, but it looks like they expect to add more later`
`17:43.47`	`Tupone`	`I'm quite sure it does not apply, just to be sure`
`17:45.37`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: all the chipsets listed are old, and the problem is in the PCI-ISA interconnect. doubt you'd see it on a modern laptop. SC's problem is a constant drift from a bad QPF result, not a jump in the QPC result.`
`17:46.01`	`Tupone`	`yeah, I get that, as I said, just to be sure`
`17:46.51`	`DTRemenak`	`probably would not hurt to add a check for 20ms discrepancy that direction also, in case some people are running on old broken chipsets`
`17:48.29`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, posibly, but I think it's mopre due to throttle`
`17:48.49`	`DTRemenak`	`actually, the current fix will catch that situation also`
`17:49.18`	`DTRemenak`	`since qpf will fall behind and jump to catch up...when it falls behind, bz will reset the timer with TGT`
`17:49.42`	`CBG`	`I also cannot get the link between my to tele's to work...`
`17:49.56`	`CBG`	`http://pastebin.ca/12610`
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`17:51.45`	`Tupone`	`I'm thinking of a different things, well I'll hope on SportChick collaboration when done. Now just bzflag.exe :)`
`17:52.40`	`Bagheera`	`cbg, why did you comment out rotation?`
`17:52.53`	`CBG`	`Bagheera: Does it matter? :S`
`17:55.24`	`CBG`	`Is that the problem?`
`18:02.16`	`learner`	`DTRemenak: nice fix`
`18:02.36`	`DTRemenak`	`learner: not as nice as it could be, but it works`
`18:03.05`	`DTRemenak`	`I'd rather be able to directly compensate for the drift, but when I tried that I ended up with some negative corrections`
`18:03.40`	`learner`	`clamping to zero wouldn't have worked?`
`18:03.47`	`learner`	`or is that what it does`
`18:04.44`	`DTRemenak`	`if you're supposed to have moved forward by 50ms and you compensate -55 ms, and clamp to zero, you still have a 50ms problem :)`
`18:05.19`	`DTRemenak`	`qpc doesn't necessarily drift linearly, just approximately linearly`
`18:05.35`	`DTRemenak`	`it varies based on how much speedstep is speeding up/slowing down`
`18:06.17`	`SportChick`	`btw, I saw someone with my jitter problem yesterday, but he was on linux, not windows. he had no other programs running or d/l at the time`
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`18:06.35`	`Bagheera`	`hahve you ever ask yetay what he is runnning....`
`18:07.00`	`learner`	`SportChick: there are lots of valid jitter .. I couldn't have been exactly the same if he wasn't on windows :)`
`18:07.12`	`DTRemenak`	`SportChick: he may have strictly network jitter, or his kernel may be relying on a bad rtc`
`18:07.41`	`Bagheera`	`or he is running on a linux based speedstep processor or somethhing..... :)`
`18:07.58`	`DTRemenak`	`Bagheera: unlike windows, linux actually keeps track of the time :)`
`18:08.13`	`learner`	`on linux, it uses gettimeofday, so unless his system clock is drifting mad, it won't be the same`
`18:08.31`	`Bagheera`	`heh`
`18:08.50`	`learner`	`effectively used the windows version of gettimeofday to fix the QPT problem`
`18:09.15`	`Bagheera`	`....ooo, the blue angels are practicing....in the rain`
`18:09.19`	`DTRemenak`	`except that it sucks more than gettimeofday does :)`
`18:09.40`	`Bagheera`	`well, you did write it ;)`
`18:09.47`	`DTRemenak`	`if it really had the 1ms accuracy it claims to, it wouldn't be a problem to just use it directly`
`18:10.02`	`DTRemenak`	`on my machine it has about a 14ms granularity`
`18:10.07`	`learner`	`wow`
`18:10.11`	`DTRemenak`	`which is Not Good Enough`
`18:10.11`	`learner`	`that's huge`
`18:10.32`	`DTRemenak`	`that's why I wait for a 20ms gap to compensate QPC`
`18:11.34`	`learner`	`~1000 / 20`
`18:11.35`	`ibot`	`50`
`18:12.02`	`DTRemenak`	`so the current code jumps by 20ms 5 times per second instead of using timeGetTime, which would jump by 14 ms 72 times per second`
`18:12.42`	`DTRemenak`	`(5/second because qpc only drifts by -10% or so)`
`18:14.54`	`DTRemenak`	`it's better but still not smooth out the window, according to sportchick. at least the network stuff works right.`
`18:15.34`	`SportChick`	`learner & dtremenak: ok`
`18:15.38`	`Bagheera`	`yeah, so the game looks like crap, b ut the netowrk is happy`
`18:15.40`	`learner`	`server side time syncronization would help too`
`18:15.52`	`learner`	`every minute they could sync with the server time`
`18:15.53`	`SportChick`	`learner & dtremenak: although his lagstats didn't show a problem - he was >70ms`
`18:16.03`	`Tupone`	`SportChick: if you wanna test: http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag.exe.gz`
`18:16.05`	`SportChick`	`(lagstats and >5ms jitter)`
`18:16.22`	`SportChick`	`Tupone: this is differnet from what dtr gave me yesterday?`
`18:16.36`	`Tupone`	`yeah, hot from the oven`
`18:16.42`	`learner`	`mm.. pizza?`
`18:16.46`	`Tupone`	`yeah`
`18:16.52`	`DTRemenak`	`mmm, pizza`
`18:16.58`	`Bagheera`	`margarita`
`18:17.04`	`learner`	`mm, that too`
`18:17.06`	`Tupone`	`margherita`
`18:17.17`	`Tupone`	`margarita is a mex drink`
`18:17.21`	`Bagheera`	`i'll onoe o f both`
`18:17.33`	`learner`	`looks like you've had too many already ;)`
`18:17.33`	`Bagheera`	`grrr....spacebar`
`18:17.57`	`DTRemenak`	`sure, blame it on the keyboard`
`18:18.07`	`Bagheera`	`you hit it once and sometimes it likes to put in a couple extra in the middle of a word`
`18:18.37`	`Tupone`	`not sure if that work ... To much simple if, but I'm little shy`
`18:19.13`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, I had to make small changs to windows platform factory, your changes didn't work.`
`18:19.30`	`Tupone`	`I know, you were right, I miss to test it`
`18:20.14`	`JeffM2501`	`I made VC7 use native by default`
`18:20.36`	`Tupone`	`it is , my code did that . No ?`
`18:20.58`	`JeffM2501`	`windows was missing a #def in it's config`
`18:20.59`	`Tupone`	`except dsound, that I forgot to say to include in config.h`
`18:21.06`	`JeffM2501`	`by default I didn't have dsound or sdl`
`18:21.11`	`JeffM2501`	`so it would crash on a NULL`
`18:21.15`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:21.41`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all good now`
`18:21.42`	`Tupone`	`yeah, I know. My problem is that on Mingw we don't have the header so I put the check`
`18:21.47`	`CIA-12`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): ws`
`18:22.17`	`JeffM2501`	`makes sense`
`18:22.33`	`JeffM2501`	`on minw you would probably have SDL, so it would have worked`
`18:22.35`	`DTRemenak`	`s/don't/don't necessarily :)`
`18:22.45`	`DTRemenak`	`I build with directx on mingw`
`18:22.47`	`SportChick`	`grrrr - winzip won't unzip a *.gz file`
`18:22.56`	`Tupone`	`why not ?`
`18:22.57`	`JeffM2501`	`yes it will`
`18:22.58`	`Tupone`	`it should`
`18:22.59`	`SportChick`	`do I need to change the name to unzip it?`
`18:23.01`	`JeffM2501`	`it you have real winzip`
`18:23.03`	`SportChick`	`mine isn't`
`18:23.04`	`DTRemenak`	`browser should automatically decompress it`
`18:23.06`	`SportChick`	`it's eval version`
`18:23.12`	`JeffM2501`	`still`
`18:23.17`	`JeffM2501`	`file name should be .tar.gz`
`18:23.19`	`DTRemenak`	`if the mime types are right`
`18:23.32`	`Tupone`	`perhaps IE extract but leave the name ?`
`18:23.34`	`JeffM2501`	`right drag extract will ask if you want to extract the tar`
`18:23.41`	`JeffM2501`	`IE probably made it a .tar`
`18:23.44`	`Tupone`	`is nt a tar`
`18:23.50`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`18:23.51`	`Tupone`	`just a compressed exe`
`18:23.56`	`JeffM2501`	`then yeah it probalby left the name`
`18:24.10`	`DTRemenak`	`if the browser actually is working right you should just be able to rename it exe and it will work`
`18:24.13`	`SportChick`	`tupone, do I need to put it int he existing bz folder? no fonts found`
`18:24.15`	`Tupone`	`how big is ?`
`18:24.27`	`JeffM2501`	`SportChick, yeah`
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`18:25.07`	`Tupone`	`tankittytank`
`18:25.16`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: the nsis compiler works in wine, iirc, so you could build the installer if you wrote a script to set up the directories right so it can find stuff`
`18:25.16`	`tankitty`	`hoi tuypone`
`18:25.16`	`Birdie`	`tankitty girly!`
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`18:26.03`	`DTRemenak`	`or had your unix root mapped to a drive and a dist directory created`
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`18:55.52`	`Bagheera`	`ibot hello`
`18:55.53`	`ibot`	`Howdy Bub`
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`18:56.41`	`Bagheera`	`the topic was sidetracked with talk of beer, sry SportChick`
`18:57.41`	`SportChick`	`;)`
`18:58.27`	`Bagheera`	`you should have brought cookies`
`18:58.43`	`SportChick`	`apparently`
`18:59.04`	`Bagheera`	`you could always send out a bunch`
`18:59.04`	`SportChick`	`but since i didn't realize everyone was coming over after dinner...`
`18:59.13`	`SportChick`	`oh well`
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`18:59.41`	`Bagheera`	`i think it was the leather and whips that through them off`
`19:00.02`	`SportChick`	`~bagheera--`
`19:00.09`	`Bagheera`	`sry :)`
`19:00.15`	`Bagheera`	`couldnt resist`
`19:00.30`	`SportChick`	`you didn't try`
`19:01.09`	`Bagheera`	`hmm`
`19:01.43`	`SportChick`	`testy`
`19:01.48`	`SportChick`	`~bagheera++`
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`19:02.09`	`SportChick`	`shhhh - he's back`
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`19:03.50`	`jpa-`	`Exception: IndexError , there is no goodness in jpa-`
`19:09.24`	`ToughShooter`	`learner--`
`19:09.37`	`ToughShooter`	`~learner--`
`19:11.36`	`learner`	`ToughShooter: never know, some patches last minutes`
`19:11.41`	`learner`	`just have to keep prodding people`
`19:11.42`	`learner`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:11.54`	`learner`	`SportChick was a great hostess`
`19:12.33`	`learner`	`which reminds me that it's been way too long since I last had some sushi`
`19:12.40`	`learner`	`almost a month`
`19:12.42`	`ToughShooter`	`learner: If something is wrong with a patch it should be checked in then :-p`
`19:13.18`	`ToughShooter`	`or give hints what's wrong with it`
`19:13.19`	`learner`	`ToughShooter: most patches have "something" wrong with them`
`19:13.35`	`learner`	`which makes applying them complicated`
`19:13.44`	`learner`	`and the more time that passes, the worse it gets`
`19:14.41`	`ToughShooter`	`http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1118624&group_id=3248&atid=303248`
`19:15.19`	`ToughShooter`	`It's not motivating`
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`19:17.03`	`learner`	`there's nothing wrong with that patch, just the dev it's assigned to is rather busy at the moment`
`19:17.24`	`learner`	`it is already "accepted" though, which is the biggest first hurdle`
`19:18.09`	`Tupone`	`brlcad busy ? he is always lurking here`
`19:19.40`	`ToughShooter`	`learner: Date Last Updated: 2005-03-30 00:13!`
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`19:30.56`	`ToughShooter`	`What does "\t \r\n" stand for? I see \n is LF but what are the others?`
`19:31.38`	`bz7375`	`bye`
`19:31.43`	`jpa-`	`\t is tab and \r is CR`
`19:31.49`	`bz7375`	`bye`
`19:31.59`	`bz7375`	`tschuesskowski alle miteinande`
`19:32.07`	`jpa-`	`actually \n is system-dependant newline and \l would be LF i think`
`19:32.19`	`Chestal`	`no`
`19:32.27`	`jpa-`	`or hmm`
`19:32.27`	`Chestal`	`\n is 10 is linefeed`
`19:32.30`	`jpa-`	`it is LF`
`19:32.48`	`Chestal`	`but when you opened a fiel in text mode, some translations can happen`
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`19:33.20`	`ToughShooter`	`I'm grumbling about line 442 in CmdLineOptions.cxx`
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`19:33.48`	`ToughShooter`	`I think this is where Chr(13) gets filtered`
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`19:42.32`	`ToughShooter`	`How to create breakpoints for debugging and then debug it? I fear the Xcode project doesn't work for me..`
`19:44.02`	`ToughShooter`	`I want to get my karma ball back so I'm trying to find out what is causing the line ending problem with 2.0.2 source`
`19:44.52`	`learner`	`~ToughShooter++`
`19:45.11`	`learner`	`b filename.cxx:linenumber`
`19:45.37`	`ToughShooter`	`~learner++`
`19:45.40`	`learner`	`or the longhand: break filename.cxx:linenumber`
`19:45.58`	`learner`	`break by itself will create a breakpoint at your current position`
`19:46.06`	`learner`	`you can break on function/method names too`
`19:46.10`	`learner`	`b main`
`19:46.12`	`ToughShooter`	`so when exactly should I use this?`
`19:46.33`	`learner`	`before you run`
`19:46.52`	`learner`	`or while you're already at a breakpoint stepping through code`
`19:46.56`	`ToughShooter`	`I assume I've got to go ./configure --enable-debug`
`19:47.04`	`learner`	`ahh, heh`
`19:47.20`	`learner`	`yes, you have to do that and make sure -g is added to the compile line`
`19:47.27`	`learner`	`then run bzfs through gdb`
`19:47.27`	`bryjen`	`perhaps one of those "could not find ... file" errors should be changed so you know which one you're gettings`
`19:47.36`	`learner`	`that too`
`19:48.05`	`ToughShooter`	`It's kinda uncommented so I need breakpoints`
`19:49.21`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, I need a more verbose info on what to do after configure`
`19:49.50`	`bryjen`	`make`
`19:49.52`	`ToughShooter`	`I admit I've only used IDE debuggers previously`
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`19:50.49`	`cadu`	`whoa whoa !`
`19:50.54`	`cadu`	`i can play bzflag on my nongl system!`
`19:52.03`	`bryjen`	`bz can be played (slowly) without hardware assisted GL, but there has to be GL software`
`19:52.10`	`ToughShooter`	`http://pastebin.com/289689 :o`
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`19:52.29`	`ToughShooter`	`On 10.3 it compiled fine`
`19:52.39`	`cadu`	`i can play with 320x200 ALLOFF 25fps`
`19:52.41`	`cadu`	`whoa!`
`19:52.42`	`cadu`	`:)`
`19:52.43`	`cadu`	`weeee`
`19:52.55`	`cadu`	`there isn't a nongl`
`19:52.58`	`cadu`	`...version?`
`19:53.43`	`cadu`	`i mean...i have a duron1300mhz with 128mb ram, i'm pretty sure i can run quake2 at 400x300 with reasonable gameplay...with textures and everything turned on`
`19:55.25`	`bryjen`	`no, bzflag uses opengl. if your video card doesn't help, the cpu does all the math`
`19:57.43`	`DTRemenak`	`SportChick: ping?`
`20:02.01`	`DTRemenak`	`hrmph`
`20:02.01`	`cadu`	`bryjen: bzflag could use a modular renderer`
`20:02.10`	`cadu`	`with modules for bth opengl and 'software'`
`20:02.47`	`DTRemenak`	`cadu: don't say that until you look at the code :) we have opengl calls all over the place, it's a mess. there's no "engine" to speak of, everything just renders itself`
`20:03.04`	`cadu`	`DTRemenak: hmmm got it ..`
`20:03.15`	`cadu`	`DTRemenak: 'everything just renders itself'`
`20:03.16`	`cadu`	`:)`
`20:03.17`	`DTRemenak`	`we could but it would take a total rewrite`
`20:03.18`	`cadu`	`ahahaha`
`20:03.24`	`Chestal`	`bzflag works quite well with software rendering actually, if you choose the right option`
`20:03.31`	`Chestal`	`much better than most other games`
`20:03.31`	`cadu`	`Chestal: right option ?`
`20:03.41`	`Chestal`	`well, no textures, low quality, bitmap fonts`
`20:03.49`	`cadu`	`hmmm`
`20:03.58`	`Chestal`	`quite well = playbale and not very pretty`
`20:04.04`	`cadu`	`i tried 320x200 ... no textures, low quality , bitmap fonts`
`20:04.08`	`Chestal`	`on simple maps`
`20:04.08`	`ToughShooter`	`leaner: Seems like I'm unable to build last stable one and CVS is broken :(`
`20:04.16`	`cadu`	`was playable with 20 players on the map`
`20:04.24`	`Chestal`	`I play at 800x600 8bit color depth with 10-60 fps on simpel maps`
`20:04.25`	`cadu`	`but i had to turn off the map so it could boost to 27fps`
`20:05.08`	`Chestal`	`map? the radar`
`20:05.20`	`Chestal`	`that shouldn't have a large perfoamnce impact on simple maps`
`20:05.41`	`Chestal`	`it's also a good idea to use opaque console`
`20:09.26`	`ToughShooter`	`How to fetch CVS version from 17th of this month?`
`20:09.37`	`bryjen`	`opengl can render completely in software.`
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`20:11.21`	`DTRemenak`	`ToughShooter: cvs update -D "17 May 2005" might work`
`20:11.33`	`Tupone`	`might? :)`
`20:11.48`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: that just means I haven't tried it in > 6 months :)`
`20:12.08`	`CBG_`	`I cant get my tele link to work. :( Can anyone help? http://pastebin.ca/12610`
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`20:17.18`	`*** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ \|\| http://my.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag \|\| http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp \|\| http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download \|\| http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking \|\| MAL=4`
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`20:17.42`	`CBG_`	`Oh. Ok. Thanks trepan`
`20:17.59`	`CBG_`	`Maybe the man page should be changed?`
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`20:19.02`	`trepan`	`CBG_: read it again`
`20:19.57`	`CBG_`	`Oh right. You can have 2 names... Sorry. :(`
`20:26.28`	`ToughShooter`	`learner: http://pastebin.com/289713 , dunno how to do debugging, google search hadn't be helpful, either`
`20:28.49`	`bryjen`	`you use the debugger to run bzfs`
`20:28.58`	`bryjen`	`gdb /path/to/bzfs`
`20:29.18`	`ToughShooter`	`aha`
`20:29.41`	`bryjen`	`it will load the exe and stop at a gdb prompt`
`20:31.12`	`bryjen`	`there you do set args --conf foo.txt +f good ....`
`20:31.27`	`bryjen`	`and set your breakpoint, then do run`
`20:32.18`	`ToughShooter`	`I'll figure out, just needed a pointer`
`20:33.13`	`bryjen`	`gdb has a help command with lots of stuff`
`20:33.16`	`SportChick`	`dtremenak & tupone: I'm here now - what's the link?`
`20:33.39`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak: has the last`
`20:35.07`	`ToughShooter`	`http://pastebin.com/289717 again :(`
`20:35.41`	`bryjen`	`configure -without-regex ?`
`20:36.02`	`ToughShooter`	`bryjen: already tried that before..`
`20:36.17`	`Tupone`	`seems the libstdc++`
`20:37.20`	`Tupone`	`:)`
`20:37.34`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, retrying with 16th`
`20:38.09`	`DTRemenak`	`SportChick: http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/bzflag-2.0.3b3.exe`
`20:40.26`	`SportChick`	`where do you wanna test? sp?`
`20:40.30`	`DTRemenak`	`sure`
`20:51.16`	`noyb`	`I re-thought some things I said about oncap scoring last night...`
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`20:51.48`	`Tupone`	`SportChick problems has gone`
`20:52.35`	`DTRemenak`	`whee :)`
`20:52.39`	`DTRemenak`	`~Tupone++`
`20:52.56`	`Tupone`	`:) lol`
`20:53.25`	`SportChick`	`~tupone++`
`20:53.29`	`SportChick`	`~dtremenak++`
`20:53.32`	`SportChick`	`you guys rock!`
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`20:53.44`	`Tupone`	`~SportChick++`
`20:53.55`	`noyb`	`it's possible for a slacker to run from the enemy and still get points oncap. that's lame. no oncap points unless you gained points "recently"`
`20:54.02`	`Tupone`	`for not having left having that problem for month`
`20:54.14`	`DTRemenak`	`or four months :)`
`20:54.31`	`DTRemenak`	`five months? something like that :)`
`20:54.35`	`JeffM2501`	`has it really been 4-5 months?`
`20:54.38`	`CIA-12`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx:`
`20:54.38`	`CIA-12`	`BZFlag: Tupone's code for timer jitter suppression works better :)`
`20:54.38`	`CIA-12`	`BZFlag: SportChick reports HUD problems gone, jitter is gone too.`
`20:54.41`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, since december`
`20:54.48`	`DTRemenak`	`or early january?`
`20:54.48`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`20:54.53`	`SportChick`	`january`
`20:54.56`	`JeffM2501`	`amazing`
`20:54.58`	`SportChick`	`when 2.0.0 came out`
`20:55.03`	`Tupone`	`yeah`
`20:55.03`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, she's very persistent :)`
`20:55.06`	`DTRemenak`	`~SportChick++`
`20:55.10`	`SportChick`	`:(`
`20:55.16`	`SportChick`	`good persistent or bad persistent?`
`20:55.18`	`DTRemenak`	`good`
`20:55.32`	`SportChick`	`:)`
`20:55.35`	`DTRemenak`	`~SportChick++`
`20:55.50`	`SportChick`	`~dtremenak++`
`20:55.53`	`SportChick`	`~tupone++`
`20:56.03`	`SportChick`	`~tupone++`
`20:56.04`	`BenUrban`	`~benurban++`
`20:56.13`	`DTRemenak`	`~tupone++`
`20:56.21`	`BenUrban`	`lol, ibot felt it needed to /msg me...`
`20:56.38`	`DTRemenak`	`I think it just ought to kick you when you try that :)`
`20:56.58`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`20:57.03`	`noyb`	`~karma BenUrban`
`20:57.03`	`ibot`	`benurban has neutral karma`
`20:57.07`	`DTRemenak`	`w00t SportChick can play again!! :)`
`20:57.15`	`SportChick`	`hehe`
`20:57.20`	`SportChick`	`~tupone++`
`20:57.23`	`SportChick`	`~dtremenak++`
`20:57.23`	`BenUrban`	`~karma`
`20:57.23`	`ibot`	`benurban has neutral karma`
`20:57.28`	`BenUrban`	`~karma SportChick`
`20:57.28`	`ibot`	`sportchick has karma of 95`
`20:57.32`	`BenUrban`	`~karma DTRemenak`
`20:57.32`	`ibot`	`dtremenak has karma of 105`
`20:57.34`	`noyb`	`~karma`
`20:57.34`	`ibot`	`noyb has karma of 1`
`20:57.38`	`BenUrban`	`~karma Tupone`
`20:57.38`	`ibot`	`tupone has karma of 110`
`20:57.39`	`noyb`	`ouch`
`20:57.45`	`SportChick`	`~dtremenak++`
`20:57.48`	`SportChick`	`~tupone++`
`20:58.07`	`DTRemenak`	`~benurban--`
`20:58.10`	`BenUrban`	`lmfao`
`20:58.19`	`Tupone`	`~karma tupone`
`20:58.19`	`ibot`	`tupone has karma of 111`
`20:58.22`	`BenUrban`	`...just like the bzflag scoring system`
`20:58.24`	`BenUrban`	`~karma`
`20:58.24`	`ibot`	`benurban has karma of -1`
`20:58.27`	`BenUrban`	`haha`
`20:58.28`	`SportChick`	`~karma benurban`
`20:58.28`	`ibot`	`benurban has karma of -1`
`20:58.36`	`SportChick`	`~dtremenak++`
`20:58.38`	`SportChick`	`~tupone++`
`20:58.44`	`DTRemenak`	`~SportChick++`
`20:59.01`	`SportChick`	`~karma mozul`
`20:59.01`	`ibot`	`mozul has karma of 7`
`20:59.06`	`SportChick`	`~mozul++`
`20:59.14`	`SportChick`	`~tupone++`
`20:59.16`	`SportChick`	`~dtremenak++`
`20:59.27`	`SportChick`	`~benurban--`
`20:59.34`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`20:59.35`	`DTRemenak`	`aww, she types faster than me :)`
`20:59.40`	`BenUrban`	`i'll take that as a yes`
`20:59.55`	`Tupone`	`I think this release should be ffixed and freeeeezed as soon as possible`
`20:59.58`	`SportChick`	`~sportchick`
`20:59.59`	`ibot`	`a fast-typing, mistake making, fun-loving, koolaid-drinking chick`
`21:00.05`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`21:00.11`	`SportChick`	`Tupone: I'll agree with that1`
`21:00.22`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: Jeff's recent stuff has introduced some new crashes that need to be worked out first`
`21:00.36`	`Tupone`	`even without plugins?`
`21:00.39`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`21:01.10`	`DTRemenak`	`some of the eventmanager hooks try to dereference null pointers, if I read the backtraces right`
`21:01.11`	`cadu`	`~karma cadu`
`21:01.11`	`ibot`	`cadu has neutral karma`
`21:01.29`	`Tupone`	`only on bzfs`
`21:01.34`	`DTRemenak`	`I don't have source that matches my executables though so I can't really do much about it, can't get line numbers`
`21:01.37`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, on bzfs`
`21:01.37`	`cadu`	`karma fight ??`
`21:01.46`	`DTRemenak`	`I'd just as soon not release an unstable bzfs though :)`
`21:01.47`	`BenUrban`	`~cadu--`
`21:01.51`	`Tupone`	`we could at least post the bzflag.exe`
`21:01.54`	`SportChick`	`~cadu++`
`21:01.55`	`cadu`	`~benurban--`
`21:01.59`	`cadu`	`heheheh`
`21:02.01`	`cadu`	`you guys`
`21:02.07`	`BenUrban`	`lol this is insane`
`21:02.07`	`Tupone`	`in the forum at least`
`21:02.08`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3889`
`21:02.09`	`cadu`	`karmabot :)`
`21:02.15`	`BenUrban`	`~ibot--`
`21:02.19`	`DTRemenak`	`that was yesterday's, I'll put another up today`
`21:02.21`	`BenUrban`	`~karma ibot`
`21:02.21`	`ibot`	`ibot has karma of 12`
`21:02.24`	`BenUrban`	`bah`
`21:02.31`	`BenUrban`	`~ibot-=12`
`21:02.36`	`BenUrban`	`~karma ibot`
`21:02.36`	`ibot`	`ibot has karma of 12`
`21:02.42`	`BenUrban`	`thuoght not :P`
`21:02.45`	`cadu`	`this isn't c-karma-shell, man`
`21:02.49`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`21:02.50`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`21:04.17`	`Tupone`	`Yeah ,,, I'll try to update the Changelog, with help from cvs2cl`
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`21:04.47`	`BenUrban`	`~karma`
`21:04.47`	`ibot`	`benurban has karma of -3`
`21:05.02`	`JeffM2501`	`no es bueno`
`21:05.20`	`JeffM2501`	`karma isn't golf :)`
`21:05.22`	`BenUrban`	`lol karma should use ELO`
`21:05.41`	`BenUrban`	`that would be so insane...`
`21:06.51`	`*** part/#bzflag cadu (~cadu@200.179.42.157)`
`21:06.58`	`BenUrban`	`~cadu--`
`21:07.05`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
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`21:14.13`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: http://pastebin.ca/12620 is a -ddd log and backtrace for one of the crashes. note this=0x0.`
`21:14.49`	`Tupone`	`what version?`
`21:14.55`	`DTRemenak`	`dunno, that's the problem :)`
`21:14.59`	`DTRemenak`	`some 2.0.3`
`21:14.59`	`Tupone`	`lol`
`21:15.21`	`DTRemenak`	`be much easier to pin down the problem if I could figure out what the null pointer actually was :)`
`21:15.53`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, stamp it as 2.0.4, build it and tag as 2.0.0_branch? ;)`
`21:16.40`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: after a few bugs are worked out, that sounds like a great idea`
`21:17.01`	`DTRemenak`	`nI'll try to duplicate this null dereference and a couple other recent crashes`
`21:18.00`	`bryjen`	`~n`
`21:18.01`	`ibot`	`n is probably the disease bzflag players get when they play too much`
`21:18.06`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah shuddup`
`21:18.10`	`DTRemenak`	`;)`
`21:18.36`	`JeffM2501`	`looks like the player record is invalid`
`21:18.41`	`JeffM2501`	`is it geting it after it kills it?`
`21:19.16`	`DTRemenak`	`dunno, the server crashes right afterwards`
`21:19.34`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm rebuilding on the server so I'll have matching code and exes`
`21:19.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I've noticed a couple places when doing API where the server asumes that the getPlayerByIndex will return a valid pointer`
`21:20.08`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, those need to be fixed`
`21:20.17`	`DTRemenak`	`I think I got almost all of them before 2.0.2`
`21:20.21`	`JeffM2501`	`they are ALLL over`
`21:21.02`	`DTRemenak`	`I went through every call to getPlayerByIndex, the places which are still unprotected are either new or will never recieve an invalid playerindex unless we multithread`
`21:21.22`	`JeffM2501`	`well that's good`
`21:21.51`	`DTRemenak`	`course there's some new stuff since 2.0.2`
`21:21.56`	`bryjen`	`$ find -type f -name "*.cxx" \| xargs grep "getPlayerByIndex" \| wc -l`
`21:21.57`	`bryjen`	`110`
`21:23.02`	`bryjen`	`in 10 files`
`21:23.09`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`21:23.14`	`DTRemenak`	`used to be 93`
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`21:23.28`	`DTRemenak`	`or 97 or something`
`21:24.12`	`JeffM2501`	`I 've had to add a couple`
`21:24.17`	`JeffM2501`	`for yon API`
`21:24.32`	`DTRemenak`	`just be sure they're protected from nulls :)`
`21:24.46`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm going thru all those parts, so I'll make sure`
`21:24.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I can't use STL like I'm using it right now :(`
`21:25.02`	`JeffM2501`	`so I have to redo the entire player thing`
`21:25.05`	`JeffM2501`	`and maybe the callbacks`
`21:25.21`	`DTRemenak`	`didn't someone say using STL for the API was a bad idea? ;)`
`21:25.23`	`Yellow-Dog`	`okay, i've been having a problem with textures lately everytime i go into a server with downloadable textures it says`
`21:25.37`	`JeffM2501`	`maaaayyyybbbbeeeeeeeee.................. :)`
`21:25.42`	`JeffM2501`	`but you never know till you try`
`21:25.44`	`Yellow-Dog`	`OPERATIONTIMED OUT`
`21:25.47`	`DTRemenak`	`true :)`
`21:25.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it works in all but one case`
`21:26.00`	`DTRemenak`	`Yellow-Dog: what kind of connection are you on?`
`21:26.12`	`Yellow-Dog`	`DSL`
`21:26.31`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, stuff shouldn't be timing out before it downloads then`
`21:26.55`	`JeffM2501`	`can you get to the URLs in a browser?`
`21:27.48`	`Yellow-Dog`	`lemme see`
`21:29.00`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, what do you think for a player info API? one where you pass in a struct that gets filled out? or one where there is a "get" function for every item ?`
`21:29.41`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm more used to passing in a struct, and it's less code on both ends`
`21:29.50`	`JeffM2501`	`that it is`
`21:30.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I just can't put stl in there I gues`
`21:30.11`	`JeffM2501`	`ether that or I expose a specialisation of std::string`
`21:30.17`	`JeffM2501`	`like bz_string or something`
`21:30.19`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak: I bet is bzfs.cxx 2.74 or near`
`21:30.38`	`Tupone`	`It explode on a dieEvent`
`21:31.30`	`Tupone`	`dieEvent.killerTeamID = killer->getTeam(); << that is wrong cause killer is NULL`
`21:32.03`	`Tupone`	`// Warning: killer should not be used when killerIndex == InvalidPlayer or ServerPlayer`
`21:32.13`	`Tupone`	`that is ServerPlayer`
`21:32.47`	`Yellow-Dog`	`ok, i can view textures in my browser`
`21:33.01`	`JeffM2501`	`is the URL a bzflag.something URL?`
`21:33.52`	`Yellow-Dog`	`no, the one i tried was trepan.bzflag.bz/ something`
`21:34.03`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: so the "if (killer)" above it is a newer addition?`
`21:34.13`	`Tupone`	`prolly`
`21:34.18`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, ok`
`21:34.21`	`Tupone`	`I have not seen the new`
`21:37.02`	`bryjen`	`the if comes in in version 2.75 Fri May 20 00:49:51 2005 UTC by jeffm2501`
`21:38.49`	`JeffM2501`	`you mean I allready fixed it?`
`21:38.54`	`DTRemenak`	`cool, that one's already fixed then :)`
`21:39.01`	`JeffM2501`	`yay Me!!!`
`21:39.04`	`DTRemenak`	`guess I should keep my server up to date :)`
`21:39.12`	`bryjen`	`24 hour b0rken window`
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`21:53.47`	`CIA-12`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: :) what to say? changes`
`22:04.51`	`orchid`	`whats the "Queen of Maybe"?`
`22:05.10`	`DTRemenak`	`2.0.2`
`22:06.08`	`orchid`	`yes, but why the name?`
`22:06.32`	`purple_cow`	`it's just a tagline`
`22:06.37`	`purple_cow`	`all releases need taglines`
`22:07.04`	`orchid`	`ok. I just thought it refered to something`
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`22:08.02`	`DTRemenak`	`it probably does`
`22:08.04`	`bryjen`	`only Riker knows`
`22:08.23`	`orchid`	`ahh ok, then I will ask him :)`
`22:08.25`	`DTRemenak`	`according to google there's a song by a band called Genesis which contains the phrase`
`22:08.35`	`orchid`	`yeah I saw that`
`22:09.03`	`Tupone`	`I heard that in Rome .. from Peter Gabriel :)`
`22:09.22`	`Tupone`	`when he was with Genesis`
`22:09.48`	`Tupone`	`ciao orchid`
`22:10.12`	`orchid`	`hey Tupone`
`22:16.26`	`purple_cow`	`hurray genesis`
`22:16.57`	`Tupone`	`:) they were great`
`22:17.20`	`orchid`	`hmm, I dont like Phil collins so much, his solo stuff keeps gettting mellower and mellower, soon he wil just stand there and stare at you`
`22:17.34`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
`22:19.00`	`bryjen`	`i'd think that'd be a bit creepy, not mellow`
`22:19.12`	`Tupone`	`When I saw them, Phil was just a drum-er who Peter allow at last to sing a song`
`22:21.51`	`Tupone`	`http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell0.html`
`22:24.22`	`orchid`	`wow`
`22:24.25`	`orchid`	`Cell will accelerate many commonly used applications by ludicrous proportions compared to PCs. Intel could put 10 cores on a chip and they'll match neither it's performance or price.`
`22:24.41`	`orchid`	`where can I get one? :)`
`22:25.38`	`Tupone`	`next console`
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`23:50.22`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, have you done anything about the "shot with" thing that RPG complained about? or should I?`
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`23:56.30`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: actually I just fixed that`
`23:56.34`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`23:56.38`	`DTRemenak`	`it was getting on my nerves`
`23:56.38`	`JeffM2501`	`did you make it take the right flag?`
`23:56.52`	`DTRemenak`	`just made it say "with WG"`
`23:57.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I had a feeling you might have, that's why I asked :)`
`23:57.05`	`DTRemenak`	`is it taking the wrong one?`
`23:57.09`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`23:57.13`	`DTRemenak`	`oh, didn't check that`
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`23:57.17`	`JeffM2501`	`it's the flag the player has NOW, not the flag the shot was done with`
`23:57.28`	`JeffM2501`	`they could have changed flags since the shot`
`23:57.32`	`DTRemenak`	`just the whole "WinGs (+WG)" thing was ticking me off :)`
`23:57.36`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`23:57.46`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, ok`
`23:57.46`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I didn't realy know what I was doing when I did it :)`
`23:58.12`	`JeffM2501`	`then I got on the API kick and realised what I'd done`
`23:58.24`	`JeffM2501`	`then I passed out`
`23:58.54`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`

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