| 00:02.49 | noyb | wegstar: was that to correct me, or agree with me that I'm a lurker? |
| 00:04.27 | wegstar | ah, to support my "<wegstar_away> hey noyb, long time no see ;)" |
| 00:05.16 | wegstar | ~seen sgk284 |
| 00:05.18 | ibot | sgk284 <~qa0002@66.212.10.30> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9h 46m 44s ago, saying: 'heh well i started a new job and have been busy :/'. |
| 00:05.33 | wegstar | hmmmm |
| 00:06.14 | noyb | ah, yes. thanks. and to clarify... may 6 for this session if irssi, of course I've been around a little longer than that. |
| 00:07.25 | noyb | wegstar: what's with your nick flip-flopping '_away' is it automated? |
| 00:07.41 | wegstar | oh. just testing Chatzilla commands ;) |
| 00:09.25 | wegstar | and I happened upon '/away' |
| 00:10.17 | noyb-away | duh |
| 00:11.28 | noyb | had to go thru the id nonsense. |
| 00:11.37 | wegstar | :) |
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| 00:18.00 | wegstar | heya lan56 |
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| 00:23.07 | lan56 | hey wegstar |
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| 00:39.33 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/hiddenAdmin/ (hiddenAdmin.sln hiddenAdmin.suo): sln not suo! |
| 00:40.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: check for plugins in a couple difrent places, and don't require an extension |
| 00:48.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (SConstruct python.cpp test-twisted.py): frobnicate things around a bit, trying to get it to work :( |
| 00:57.04 | wegstar | ~dict frobnicate |
| 00:57.16 | wegstar | hmm |
| 01:10.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/SConstruct: add util to the link, which makes it so we can use this even if we've got non-lazy linking |
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| 01:23.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/python.cpp: the big site-package mess isn't necessary, since the site module does that magic on import |
| 01:24.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (BZReactor.py SConstruct): comments! |
| 01:25.28 | purple_cow | grrr |
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| 01:28.40 | bryjen | cows growling at pythons? |
| 01:29.12 | purple_cow | i'm getting an unresolved symbol when i try to run this, and i can't figure out how to fix it :( |
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| 02:03.10 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 02:03.11 | shorty114 | hi SportChick and JeffM2501 |
| 02:03.19 | purple_cow | crash at bzfsAPI.cxx:159... |
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| 02:04.15 | SportChick | hi shorty |
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| 02:06.52 | MeBigFatGuy | wow proton is a made man |
| 02:07.07 | Logwad | how so? |
| 02:07.09 | brlcad | made out of cookies |
| 02:07.21 | Logwad | or.. evil? |
| 02:07.33 | brlcad | MeBigFatGuy: were you referring to deadmeat the other day? |
| 02:08.21 | brlcad | woo |
| 02:08.25 | brlcad | do my eyes deceive me?! |
| 02:08.51 | brlcad | ahh, they do.. just unresolved |
| 02:09.19 | MeBigFatGuy | deadmeat? |
| 02:09.33 | MeBigFatGuy | proton: lots of checkins |
| 02:11.18 | purple_cow | MeBigFatGuy: yeah, but it's all on this silly python stuff ;) |
| 02:12.18 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, that is just an asignement |
| 02:12.19 | brlcad | MeBigFatGuy: ahh, nvr mind -- you said something about "dm" |
| 02:12.36 | JeffM2501 | unless playerRecord isn't a valid bz_PlayerRecord class |
| 02:13.06 | MeBigFatGuy | brlcad, dmwaters |
| 02:13.14 | brlcad | ahh |
| 02:13.23 | brlcad | that she is |
| 02:13.44 | brlcad | though you meant good ol' bz deadmeat fella being of the other team |
| 02:25.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyBZFlag.cpp PyPlayer.cpp PyPlayer.h): hook in the Player class. still a bit crashy |
| 02:33.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/PyPlayer.cpp: fix Player:repr() to not crash |
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| 02:34.05 | purple_cow | hurray! |
| 02:34.15 | purple_cow | now i could make a sexy web page player list, if only i could get this twisted thing to work :P |
| 02:34.57 | orchid | yay sexy web page |
| 02:37.56 | brlcad | purple_cow: http://twistedmatrix.com/users/warner/doc-latest/core/howto/testing.html |
| 02:38.31 | purple_cow | brlcad: that's not the problem |
| 02:38.46 | purple_cow | i'm getting an unresolved symbol when trying to import some of the python builtins |
| 02:38.57 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.57 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.57 | purple_cow | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/_socket.so: undefined symbol: _Py_TrueStruct |
| 02:39.10 | purple_cow | haven't been able to find anything on google that suggests a solution |
| 02:40.03 | brlcad | does that have anything to do with libsocket, or just similarly named? |
| 02:40.17 | purple_cow | just similarly named |
| 02:40.24 | brlcad | i mean the _socket.so |
| 02:40.45 | purple_cow | _Py_TrueStruct is defined in libpython2.4, which i'm linking in, but for some reason the symbol isn't getting where it needs to be |
| 02:41.04 | purple_cow | _socket.so is a python module |
| 02:42.36 | brlcad | perhaps fully resolve the .so? gcc will suppress undefined symbols by default -- what's ldd on the _socket.so say? |
| 02:43.24 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.24 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.24 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.24 | purple_cow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.28 | purple_cow | how do i fully resolve it? |
| 02:43.39 | brlcad | bah, I meant nm |
| 02:44.11 | brlcad | there are probably a lot of U lines? |
| 02:44.39 | purple_cow | it's stripped :P |
| 02:44.39 | brlcad | easiest way is to link everything that the .so uses static |
| 02:45.05 | purple_cow | i can't really do anything to _socket.so, since it's part of the python package |
| 02:45.33 | purple_cow | and i'm pretty sure it's some problem with the way my python plugin is linking things, since the interpreter can load that fine |
| 02:45.38 | brlcad | ahh, i see |
| 02:45.42 | brlcad | i thought you built it |
| 02:46.07 | purple_cow | no |
| 02:46.41 | purple_cow | the problem is that i've got that symbol statically linked in my python.so, but it's not in the same scope as _socket.so |
| 02:47.39 | brlcad | does python do reverse scoping? i.e. you have to "export" your symbols to outer scopes? |
| 02:47.49 | brlcad | or forward like C? |
| 02:48.15 | brlcad | (forward-only) |
| 02:48.15 | purple_cow | i tried adding -Wl,--export-dynamic to my build command, but no help there |
| 02:52.03 | brlcad | purple_cow, this looks to be possibly related -- at least it was the direction I was thinking |
| 02:52.03 | brlcad | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-January/259557.html |
| 02:52.26 | brlcad | with a follow up that I don't quite follow, not having made a compiled python module yet |
| 02:56.53 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 02:57.21 | brlcad | eek.. |
| 02:58.47 | MeBigFatGuy | macintosh programmers workshop? |
| 02:59.01 | brlcad | indeedy |
| 02:59.11 | MeBigFatGuy | wow |
| 02:59.16 | brlcad | indeedy |
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| 03:03.31 | MeBigFatGuy | MPW was the shiznits in its day... course 'its day' was about 20 years ago |
| 03:03.35 | MeBigFatGuy | wow am i that old? |
| 03:04.09 | orchid | no your not! |
| 03:04.12 | brlcad | i used it near the end of the os 7 through 9 days, pretty cool stuff |
| 03:04.51 | purple_cow | hmm, i don't think that static thing is quite what i want.. |
| 03:05.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah mpw is that old |
| 03:05.39 | purple_cow | it looks like that's built with a custom libpython2.4.a |
| 03:08.27 | brlcad | purple_cow, is it a c++ python module with constructors? |
| 03:09.01 | brlcad | and static objects, etc |
| 03:09.09 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 03:09.11 | MeBigFatGuy | guilty |
| 03:09.39 | MeBigFatGuy | i'm giggy wid it |
| 03:09.41 | brlcad | fo-rizzle dawg |
| 03:14.13 | brlcad | purple_cow, I've read several threads now that point to python being linked with gcc and that you'd need to relink it with g++ to get matching name mangling (or compile your module with gcc instead) |
| 03:14.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/SConstruct: use python's linkflags like the doc says. still no love |
| 03:14.51 | purple_cow | brlcad: uhm - all the python stuff is extern "C" |
| 03:15.52 | brlcad | I quote from the embedding faq: "To dynamically load g++ extension modules, you must recompile Python, relink it using g++ and link your extension module using g++" |
| 03:16.51 | GregorR | If you use extern "C", it uses C mangling. |
| 03:16.55 | purple_cow | ``It is also possible to embed Python in a C++ program; precisely how this is done will depend on the details of the C++ system used; in general you will need to write the main program in C++, and use the C++ compiler to compile and link your program. There is no need to recompile Python itself using C++.'' |
| 03:17.39 | GregorR | By "C mangling" I mean "no mangling" by the way. |
| 03:17.40 | purple_cow | brlcad: i'm not writing python modules in C++, i'm embedding the python interpreter |
| 03:17.59 | brlcad | GregorR, i could easily see some sections accidentally getting left out of an extern section and causing trouble, especially modules to python itself (like _socket) |
| 03:18.12 | brlcad | purple_cow, ahh, other way around then .. got it |
| 03:18.36 | GregorR | Well, I'm just saying that it ought to be possible to link a C++ module in without having Python compiled with a C++ compiler *shrugs* |
| 03:19.19 | brlcad | yeah, and it "ought to" already be working :) |
| 03:19.38 | GregorR | 8-D |
| 03:19.44 | purple_cow | got it! |
| 03:20.01 | brlcad | cookie crumbs on the control key? |
| 03:20.07 | GregorR | Are your #include "python..." s wrapped in extern "C" ? |
| 03:20.22 | GregorR | They probably took care of that themselves, but it's worth a shot. |
| 03:21.08 | bryjen | or perhaps a profane one |
| 03:21.50 | brlcad | should write the explanation as a python code snippet |
| 03:21.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: plugins need to be loaded with RTLD_GLOBAL in order for symbol resolution on further libraries to work, like, say, a python builtin |
| 03:22.38 | brlcad | ahh, dlopen crazyness |
| 03:23.34 | purple_cow | yep |
| 03:24.38 | brlcad | that's dangerous to cross-pollinate modules like that though |
| 03:25.25 | brlcad | is it a bz module thats loading another module that loads the interpreter, or just your module and python is doing it's own sub dlopens? |
| 03:26.18 | brlcad | hrm, never mind.. would have to be the latter with the _socket |
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| 03:32.07 | purple_cow | bzfs loads my python.so, which then loads the builtins when there's an import |
| 03:32.43 | brlcad | hopefully you never have a function with the same name as any of the builtins :) |
| 03:37.22 | purple_cow | yep, that's their problem |
| 03:38.57 | jpa- | morning |
| 03:43.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (BZReactor.py PyBZFlag.cpp python.cpp test-twisted.py): |
| 03:43.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: turn on threads in the python interpreter, since it *probably* won't kill anyone's puppy |
| 03:43.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: catch and print any errors when calling out to event handlers, since tracebacks are handy |
| 03:43.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: make the twisted reactor work |
| 03:43.51 | jpa- | eeegh.. |
| 03:48.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/test-twisted.py: port the nouvelle "hello world" example to use the BZReactor. this now runs a web server on port 8080 from within the bzfs plugin |
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| 04:40.40 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/test-twisted.py: make it use nouvelle's nifty ResortableTable stuff to show a list of current players |
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| 04:41.11 | ToughShooter | ~weather EDDF |
| 04:44.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (BZReactor.py test-twisted.py): make the max wait time accessible through the reactor, override that in the test |
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| 04:51.58 | purple_cow | can people connect to navi.cx:5152 ? |
| 04:56.49 | ToughShooter | Seems so |
| 04:56.55 | purple_cow | now try pointing a web browser at http://navi.cx:5153 |
| 04:56.56 | purple_cow | :) |
| 04:59.27 | ToughShooter | Seems to be like the babelfish.pl script |
| 04:59.46 | ToughShooter | After gettign result it seems easy to create HTML out of it |
| 05:01.42 | jomojo | you know if someone leaves a report it should leave their ip as well |
| 05:02.33 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/test-twisted.py: expand the table to include score and team, because why not |
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| 05:09.24 | bz0631 | does any1 know what a "fsockopen" error is? |
| 05:09.57 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8344 10bzfs-plugins/: make a directory here for me to work in, since cvs is icky |
| 05:12.37 | bz0631 | i get this error when running bzfs" <b>warning!</b> fsockopen() unable to connect to (my ip) in <b> /var/www/bzfls.php</b> on line 411 |
| 05:12.51 | bz0631 | any help? |
| 05:14.22 | bz0631 | ive posted on forum since no one seems to be here, username= Sir_Pants |
| 05:17.53 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, maybe we should make a svn repository on my.bzflag.org that is just for plugins and such? |
| 05:18.31 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8345 10bzfs-plugins/webadmin/ (. BZReactor.py): start in on this. for now, copy the twisted reactor into here. it'd be nice to eventually add the default plugin paths to the python search path for things like this |
| 05:18.41 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i'd be happy with that |
| 05:18.52 | purple_cow | for now navi-misc works for me |
| 05:19.01 | JeffM2501 | I'll mention it to nid |
| 05:19.04 | JeffM2501 | see what he says |
| 05:19.59 | purple_cow | i'd love for people to be able to do an svn:externals to grab things like that reactor |
| 05:20.51 | purple_cow | it lets you specify external directories that are fetched/updated as if they were local |
| 05:21.01 | JeffM2501 | neat |
| 05:21.14 | JeffM2501 | like an alias dealy? |
| 05:21.15 | jomojo | so anyway now that i have a crowd |
| 05:21.19 | purple_cow | so you can set an external thing to grab the BZFlag package from another part of the same repository, and it'll get checked out into your tree |
| 05:21.21 | JeffM2501 | but all subversioned |
| 05:21.23 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: sortakinda |
| 05:21.29 | jomojo | i found a few issues to bring up |
| 05:21.48 | jomojo | in latest cvs the mute command doesn't work by numbers |
| 05:21.51 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, but there is only one in real life, nice |
| 05:22.20 | JeffM2501 | can you set the copys are read only? |
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| 05:23.40 | purple_cow | if it's the same repository, i don't think so |
| 05:24.34 | JeffM2501 | well probably not a problem |
| 05:25.19 | Pimpi | jomojo: not even available? or mutes no player or wrong player? |
| 05:27.11 | purple_cow | well, chances are that accounts would be granted only if someone is known and/or has code to put there |
| 05:27.31 | purple_cow | and if someone vandalizes, we *do* have a revision history |
| 05:27.51 | jomojo | Pimpi: it works on your server just fine i believe but thats it |
| 05:28.19 | jomojo | like on hepcat i can mute but i must type full name to mute and not number |
| 05:28.25 | jomojo | kill works fine |
| 05:29.16 | Pimpi | i don't run _latest_ cvs, it's somewhat older, not sure about the exact build date |
| 05:29.23 | Pimpi | at least 2 weeks though |
| 05:29.40 | jomojo | but i have noticed on several servers a racists is going around and leaving reports under under players names. There should be a way to get those ip who leave the reports |
| 05:30.17 | Pimpi | _Manu_ added slot support to mute uch later than to kill |
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| 05:30.42 | jomojo | well mute works on dub as far as i know |
| 05:30.47 | jomojo | but not on other servers |
| 05:31.02 | Pimpi | yeah, i'll add that and some other things as soon as i have time fot it |
| 05:31.15 | jomojo | only a handful of servers have taken advantage of it... chestal others are behind |
| 05:31.16 | Pimpi | maybe mine is still younger |
| 05:31.45 | Pimpi | yeah, chestal mostly runs old stuff |
| 05:31.51 | jomojo | cosmos on the other hand is always looking for a way to gain greater control short of a censor |
| 05:32.22 | jomojo | which is why i am surprised that ips are not submitted with /reports to the server |
| 05:32.59 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8346 10bzfs-plugins/webadmin/Server.py: steal a bunch of code from CIA |
| 05:35.03 | Pimpi | slot support for mute was added on 16 of april |
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| 05:35.56 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8347 10bzfs-plugins/webadmin/BZReactor.py: no reason for this to be executable |
| 05:48.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/python.cpp: use '.' as the search path if there are no '/'s in the filename. this still bugs the hell outta me |
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| 06:08.35 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8348 10bzfs-plugins/webadmin/ (. Overview.py Server.py Template.py webadmin.py): lots of infrastructure |
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| 07:04.18 | MeBigFatGuy | egads is sf project statistics actually working? |
| 07:09.24 | purple_cow | maybe |
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| 09:24.45 | CBG | How do you define a port in bzfs? Is is -p [port] ? |
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| 09:34.14 | CBG | Ok. Worked it out. |
| 09:34.31 | jolie | glad to help ya ;) |
| 09:34.38 | CBG | But why cannot I not connect to the server running off the iMac from my iBook (in the same LAN) ? |
| 09:34.53 | jolie | cause mac is... |
| 09:34.58 | Pimpi | firewall? |
| 09:34.58 | jolie | --no comment-- |
| 09:35.01 | jolie | :D |
| 09:35.26 | CBG | Pimpi: Other people have played on my server when I hosted it on the iBook... |
| 09:36.05 | CBG | I can play on the iMac server on the iMac, just not from on the iBook. |
| 09:36.08 | Pimpi | but now the server is on iMac? |
| 09:36.19 | CBG | Yes |
| 09:36.34 | Pimpi | can you ping the iMac? |
| 09:36.35 | CBG | And seems to be working because I can play on it from on the iMac. |
| 09:36.42 | CBG | I wouldn't know how... |
| 09:37.15 | Pimpi | open a commandline session and do 'ping ip-addr' |
| 09:37.29 | CBG | local IP? |
| 09:37.51 | Pimpi | the ip you think you can use to play on it |
| 09:38.03 | CBG | I used localhost... |
| 09:38.30 | Pimpi | yeah, but now you want to play from ibook, no? |
| 09:38.42 | CBG | Yes. Ok. I gotcha. |
| 09:38.50 | CBG | And the ping worked, i think |
| 09:39.00 | CBG | Im getting loads of lines like : 64 bytes from 192.168.11.3: icmp_seq=13 ttl=64 time=1.546 ms |
| 09:39.13 | CBG | How do i stop it? o.O |
| 09:39.23 | Pimpi | ctrl-c |
| 09:39.27 | CBG | k |
| 09:40.18 | Pimpi | and 192.168.11.3 i the iMac? |
| 09:40.28 | Pimpi | s/i/is |
| 09:40.33 | CBG | Yes |
| 09:41.31 | Pimpi | what's the errormessage you get from the failed connect? |
| 09:42.04 | Pimpi | and do you get it emediately or after some time? |
| 09:42.09 | CBG | Just "error connecting to server" |
| 09:42.15 | CBG | PRETTY MUCH IMMEDIATLY |
| 09:42.20 | CBG | (sorry for all CAPS) |
| 09:43.22 | Pimpi | ip and port are given corectly in bzflag? |
| 09:43.27 | CBG | Yep. |
| 09:43.44 | Pimpi | try to connect with bzadmin |
| 09:43.54 | CBG | from the iBook? |
| 09:44.01 | Pimpi | yeah |
| 09:44.17 | *** join/#bzflag CBGiMac (~matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 09:44.24 | CBG | ok |
| 09:44.30 | Pimpi | works? |
| 09:44.34 | CBG | one sec |
| 09:45.19 | CBG | Error connecting to server. |
| 09:46.31 | Pimpi | can you c&p the commandline you used with bzadmin? |
| 09:46.44 | CBG | ok |
| 09:47.40 | CBG | iBook:~ User$ /Applications/BZFlag/BZFlag-2.0.2.app/Contents/MacOS/bzadmin No callsign@host specified. Please input them |
| 09:47.44 | CBG | Callsign: Killer |
| 09:47.47 | CBG | Password (optional): |
| 09:47.49 | CBG | Not using central login |
| 09:47.52 | CBG | Server[:port] to connect to: 192.168.11.3:5154 |
| 09:47.54 | CBG | Connecting to Killer@192.168.11.3:5154 |
| 09:47.57 | CBG | Error connecting to server. |
| 09:48.05 | CBGiMac | I can connect with bzadmin from the imac/ |
| 09:49.25 | Pimpi | try 'bzflag --version' |
| 09:50.19 | CBG | How? Where? |
| 09:50.27 | Pimpi | in ibook |
| 09:50.44 | CBG | in commandline? |
| 09:50.49 | Pimpi | yep |
| 09:51.12 | CBG | ok |
| 09:51.31 | CBG | BZFlag client 2.0.2.20050329-STABLE-darwin7.8.0-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 09:51.35 | CBG | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2005 Tim Riker |
| 09:51.47 | Pimpi | k, something else then |
| 09:52.21 | Pimpi | try (cmdline) on ibook 'telnet 192.168.11.3 5154' |
| 09:52.39 | CBG | the server is on 5155 |
| 09:52.49 | Pimpi | argh!!!! |
| 09:53.18 | CBGiMac | lol |
| 09:53.32 | CBG | I have been trying to connect with 5155... lol. |
| 09:53.33 | Pimpi | so you must tell bzadmin (and also bzflag) to connect to 5155 |
| 09:53.41 | CBG | I think I did... |
| 09:53.46 | CBG | oops. maybe not. |
| 09:54.03 | Pimpi | k, try telnet with 5155 if you did |
| 09:54.11 | CBG | ok |
| 09:54.30 | CBG | Trying 192.168.11.3... |
| 09:54.30 | CBG | telnet: connect to address 192.168.11.3: Connection refused |
| 09:54.30 | CBG | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host |
| 09:54.42 | CBG | Should it be IP Port or IP:Port |
| 09:54.42 | Pimpi | thats it |
| 09:54.51 | CBG | (Space or " : " ?) |
| 09:54.57 | Pimpi | space |
| 09:54.59 | CBG | ok. |
| 09:55.05 | CBG | so whats it mean? |
| 09:55.23 | Pimpi | ibook cant connect to that host |
| 09:55.30 | CBG | Whyever not? |
| 09:55.46 | CBG | The imac can connect to the iBook over the network |
| 09:55.58 | CBG | I know because I copied some files over ealier |
| 09:56.09 | *** part/#bzflag CBGiMac (~matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 09:56.14 | Pimpi | do 'traceroute 192.168.11.3 |
| 09:56.16 | *** join/#bzflag CBGiMac (~matthew@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 09:56.22 | CBG | ok |
| 09:56.34 | CBG | traceroute to 192.168.11.3 (192.168.11.3), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 09:56.35 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.46 | Pimpi | hm |
| 09:58.19 | CBG | ~bzfquery 81.103.45.91:5155 |
| 09:58.25 | CBG | O.o |
| 09:58.43 | Pimpi | yep, tried that before |
| 09:58.44 | CBG | ~bzfquery 192.168.11.3:5155 |
| 09:58.49 | CBG | well thats odd. |
| 09:59.09 | CBG | lemme try opening port 5156 and try that |
| 09:59.10 | Pimpi | server still running? |
| 09:59.20 | CBG | yes |
| 10:01.54 | Pimpi | closed it again? |
| 10:02.38 | CBG | server? |
| 10:02.38 | CBG | server is still going on 5155 |
| 10:02.54 | CBG | ill shut it now and reopen on 5156 |
| 10:04.23 | Pimpi | i get connection refused here for 5155, this usually means nobody's listening there |
| 10:05.05 | CBG | Just changed over to 5156 |
| 10:05.19 | Pimpi | same |
| 10:06.24 | CBG | Can only connect on iMac with 'localhost' or '127.0.0.1'. |
| 10:06.34 | CBG | Not with Lan IP and not at all on iBook. |
| 10:07.11 | Pimpi | not with lan ip from iMac? |
| 10:07.16 | CBG | no |
| 10:07.25 | CBG | only localip or 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:07.33 | CBG | *i mean "Localhost" |
| 10:07.43 | CBG | Local/Lan IP doesnt work. |
| 10:07.58 | Pimpi | do you have root privs on that iMac? |
| 10:08.11 | CBG | I'm an admin. |
| 10:08.16 | CBG | But not the main one... |
| 10:08.21 | CBG | so... no i guess. |
| 10:08.28 | CBG | I need root privs? |
| 10:08.34 | Pimpi | hm, prolly you don't ned them |
| 10:08.58 | CBG | Like I said, I have "admin" privs |
| 10:09.10 | Pimpi | netstat -l | grep 5156 |
| 10:09.10 | CBG | for example, i could change the password to another account... |
| 10:09.19 | CBG | Huh? o.O |
| 10:09.41 | CBG | ?? |
| 10:09.51 | Pimpi | try that on iMac |
| 10:09.55 | CBG | ok |
| 10:10.27 | CBGiMac | udp4 0 0 *.5156 *.* |
| 10:11.35 | CBG | You know earlier I said I had connected to ibook from imac to transfer files... |
| 10:11.48 | CBG | I just tried the same thing to connect to imac from ibook. |
| 10:11.51 | CBG | It wont work. |
| 10:12.10 | CBG | "No response from server (imac) Please Try again." |
| 10:12.36 | CBG | But it works ok the other way (imac > ibook) |
| 10:13.06 | Pimpi | yeah, besides all this your network isn't properly configured, but since ping works you should be able to connect either |
| 10:13.31 | Pimpi | but seems your bzfs isnt listening |
| 10:13.46 | CBG | hmm |
| 10:13.57 | Pimpi | should be something like tcp 0 0 *:5154tcp 0 0 *:5156 *:* LISTEN *:* LISTEN |
| 10:14.04 | Pimpi | oops |
| 10:14.11 | Pimpi | tcp 0 0 *:5156 *:* LISTEN |
| 10:14.19 | CBG | ok |
| 10:14.20 | Pimpi | with netstat -l |
| 10:14.52 | Pimpi | have you checked running bzfs with -d -d and read output? |
| 10:15.10 | CBGiMac | only 2? |
| 10:15.19 | CBGiMac | yes I ran it with 2 |
| 10:15.49 | Pimpi | a always try with 2 first, 3 gives so much nonsense... |
| 10:16.49 | CBG | whats the site to paste stuff at? |
| 10:17.15 | Pimpi | ~pastebin |
| 10:17.16 | ibot | [pastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca |
| 10:17.21 | CBG | thanks |
| 10:18.20 | CBGiMac | http://pastebin.ca/12500 |
| 10:19.05 | CBG | It repats the first bit a few times. |
| 10:20.39 | CBGiMac | conf file: http://pastebin.ca/12501 |
| 10:23.11 | Pimpi | i can't ping or traceroute or connect in any way to 81.103.45.91 |
| 10:23.28 | CBG | lemme close the server |
| 10:23.36 | CBG | and open again on iBook with port 5154 |
| 10:24.52 | CBG | ok. done that |
| 10:25.04 | CBG | ~bzfquery 81.103.45.91 |
| 10:25.09 | CBG | ... |
| 10:25.17 | CBG | ill try imac again |
| 10:25.32 | Pimpi | erm, do you use a router or something to connect to the internet? |
| 10:25.37 | CBG | yes |
| 10:25.40 | CBG | ~bzfquery 81.103.45.91:5156 |
| 10:25.47 | CBG | :( |
| 10:25.56 | Pimpi | that explains... |
| 10:26.02 | CBG | how? |
| 10:26.35 | Pimpi | in your router configuration you forward ports to other machines on your lan |
| 10:26.45 | CBG | yes |
| 10:27.17 | Pimpi | oh, you configured it to forward 5155 to your iMac? |
| 10:27.24 | CBG | yes and 5156 |
| 10:27.31 | CBG | 5154 goes to iBook... |
| 10:28.12 | Pimpi | then your network setup seems to be broken |
| 10:28.16 | Pimpi | somehow |
| 10:28.22 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 10:29.00 | CBG | ~whaleslap CBGiMac |
| 10:29.01 | ibot | ACTION slaps CBGiMac upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 10:29.06 | CBGiMac | Ow! |
| 10:29.22 | Pimpi | hard to say what it is exactly from remote |
| 10:29.24 | Pimpi | lol |
| 10:29.40 | CBG | Ok. Nevermind. :( |
| 10:29.46 | CBG | Thanks for all the help!! :D |
| 10:30.19 | Pimpi | does your iMac get it's ip via dhcp? |
| 10:30.27 | CBG | No idea. lol |
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| 10:31.32 | Pimpi | wb jolie |
| 10:32.05 | jolie | thx herr pimpi .. x is making pbs.. >_< |
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| 10:56.47 | jolie | tupo mio!! |
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| 11:14.42 | _Manu_ | jolie jolie :) |
| 11:14.51 | jolie | manu manu mi bonito |
| 11:15.00 | jolie | no estas en mi canal... |
| 11:15.38 | _Manu_ | esta vacio? |
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| 11:34.05 | ToughShooter | ~x sp en canal |
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| 11:48.55 | CBG | I registerd at the bb with "CannonBallGuy/CBG" ok |
| 11:49.09 | CBG | but cant login "You have specified an incorrect or inactive username, or an invalid password." |
| 11:50.15 | Birdie | you fill in the password of bzbb before you connect to a server? |
| 11:50.24 | CBG | no no |
| 11:50.28 | CBG | I cant login to the bb |
| 11:50.32 | Birdie | ah |
| 11:50.35 | Birdie | the site |
| 11:50.46 | CBG | the username and pass work fin IN-GAME.but i caqnt login to the bb site |
| 11:51.09 | SportChick | cbg - that's terribly odd |
| 11:51.15 | CBG | yes. |
| 11:51.29 | CBG | I gues its because it doesnt like the "/" |
| 11:51.35 | CBG | but it registerd ok... |
| 11:51.36 | SportChick | CBG: bzbb uses the exact same database as ingame, so if you can't log into bzbb, you shouldn't be able to log into game |
| 11:51.47 | SportChick | what is your name on bzbb? |
| 11:51.47 | CBG | rofl |
| 11:51.57 | CBG | CannonBallGuy/CBG |
| 11:52.03 | SportChick | ooooooooo |
| 11:52.19 | SportChick | and you can't get into bzbb to change it either, i bet |
| 11:52.43 | CBG | yes |
| 11:53.04 | SportChick | you should look for DTRemenak (who is a college student so he's sleeping I'm sure) or JeffM2501 or ... I can't remember who else - it might be bryjen. They can help you get it fixed |
| 11:53.22 | CBG | Yeah, will do. |
| 11:53.27 | SportChick | or gvzevxre/timriker |
| 11:53.56 | SportChick | it's pretty early still for most of 'em |
| 11:54.20 | SportChick | CBG: where are you located? |
| 11:54.29 | SportChick | country/state/timezone |
| 11:54.33 | CBG | UK. |
| 11:54.37 | SportChick | ah, ok |
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| 11:54.48 | SportChick | yeah, dtr is often on very late your time |
| 11:54.52 | SportChick | hiya birdie! welcome back |
| 11:54.53 | CBG | But I will be around for another 9/10 hours... |
| 11:55.05 | CBG | Ok... |
| 11:55.10 | CBG | Now it works. o.O |
| 11:55.14 | Birdie | hey sportchick |
| 11:55.24 | CBG | ~whaleslap bzbb |
| 11:55.43 | ibot | ACTION slaps bzbb upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 11:55.43 | SportChick | weird |
| 11:55.43 | CBG | yes |
| 11:55.43 | SportChick | maybe bzbb was down for a sec |
| 11:55.43 | CBG | aw well... :P |
| 11:55.43 | CBG | maybe |
| 11:55.44 | ToughShooter | Birdie: Connection problems? |
| 11:56.14 | Birdie | no auto identify and auto joining channels troubles:) |
| 11:56.15 | SportChick | ToughShooter: hi! |
| 11:56.22 | ToughShooter | Hi Sporty |
| 11:56.31 | CBG | hi -/ |
| 11:56.47 | CBG | hehe. I just made a new smiley! rofl |
| 11:56.59 | ToughShooter | I still only identify after joining seems x-chat specific :/ |
| 11:57.20 | Birdie | some one explained it very good and now it finally works |
| 11:57.23 | CBG | I mean to do :/ -/ looks like he is squinting! |
| 11:57.26 | SportChick | one version of xchat I have lets me autoidentify - the one I run at work doesn't |
| 11:57.28 | ToughShooter | ~weather EDDF |
| 11:57.35 | Birdie | i have 2.4.1 |
| 11:58.00 | ToughShooter | I don't know which version is equivalent to mine |
| 11:58.15 | ToughShooter | Using X-Chat Aqua version 0.14.0 |
| 11:59.48 | CBG | Now bb wont work again. :( |
| 12:00.35 | CBG | ok.now it does. nvm |
| 12:00.41 | ToughShooter | There seem to be some problems with bb today..tried to help "WEZ!" to get login working but failed |
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| 12:06.44 | Birdie | you have to use auto identfiy on bzbb |
| 12:06.44 | Birdie | mostly no problems than |
| 12:09.19 | Tupone | anyone with some skill and windows would help me testing http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag.tgz |
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| 12:15.03 | Tupone | _Manu_: no windows there ? |
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| 12:20.29 | _Manu_ | Tupone, no windows? |
| 12:20.56 | _Manu_ | Tupone, what do you mean? |
| 12:22.37 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: You missed Tupones message. He searches for someone with skill + windows to help him. He also provided the URL http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag.tgz |
| 12:23.07 | _Manu_ | i have no windows :( |
| 12:32.18 | SportChick | Tupone: I have windows, but what kinda skill are you looking for |
| 12:33.36 | CBG | Why will my domain load, but not the CPanel? |
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| 12:43.47 | CBG | ~dict purge |
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| 13:14.42 | jpa- | morning |
| 13:21.13 | SportChick | good morning jpa! |
| 13:22.05 | Grumbler | morning |
| 13:22.39 | jpa- | hi |
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| 13:23.12 | SportChick | awwwwwwwwww...this must be my FAVORITE jpa on! :) |
| 13:23.29 | jpa- | hmm? |
| 13:23.35 | jpa- | are there many me? |
| 13:23.53 | Birdie | your not unique:) |
| 13:24.12 | jpa- | i'm the evil one.. |
| 13:24.27 | jpa- | you didn't notice i smell? ..it has been a hot day |
| 13:24.39 | RedBaron2 | i noticed.. |
| 13:25.14 | RedBaron2 | eeeww.. |
| 13:25.16 | Birdie | lol |
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| 13:29.07 | Grumbler | http://www.motormate.com/heyhorn/infomercial.php |
| 13:30.00 | Grumbler | ...make sure you try the simulator |
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| 13:43.08 | CBG | ROFL @ the hey horn! |
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| 13:45.29 | Thumper_ | morning not-so-evil jpa |
| 13:45.53 | Thumper_ | eww |
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| 13:46.06 | Thumper_ | what a way to start my day |
| 13:46.11 | jpa- | :E |
| 13:48.49 | CBG | No, its just that everyone got tired of jeffs No OT rule here so we all went to hug-bunny to chat. :P |
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| 14:18.51 | CBG | bzfquery hepcat.tybox.net:59999 |
| 14:18.51 | CBG | ~bzfquery hepcat.tybox.net:59998 |
| 14:18.57 | CBG | ~bzfquery hepcat.tybox.net:59999 |
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| 15:25.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 15:26.01 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 15:26.40 | TheRedBaron | uh oh... |
| 15:32.46 | TheRedBaron | smart move tupone... |
| 15:33.10 | jolie | jemand ist mr grouchy heute... |
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| 15:34.07 | jolie | ronny!? |
| 15:34.09 | jpa- | giving ops to jolie doesn't matter anything.. i doubt she knows how to use them anyway |
| 15:34.38 | Birdie | so much troubles:( |
| 15:34.42 | TheRedBaron | lets hope she doesnt... |
| 15:34.42 | Birdie | ops |
| 15:34.43 | jolie | i know howto. |
| 15:34.58 | jpa- | jolie: you need a howto to use them? |
| 15:34.59 | jolie | what you guys threaten by a woman with power? |
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| 15:35.01 | JeffM2501 | CBG, you are soo very much ininformed |
| 15:35.13 | CBG | Then inform me... |
| 15:35.28 | JeffM2501 | nope, not worth it |
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| 15:35.34 | jpa- | because she is nice and the rest of us are not |
| 15:35.37 | JeffM2501 | it's not my job to keep you informed of all history |
| 15:36.15 | CBG | Thank you for improving my quality of life, Jeff. |
| 15:36.32 | jolie | we all try to CBG :D |
| 15:36.34 | TheRedBaron | jpa-, speak for yourself! |
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| 15:37.30 | CBG | So jolie: JeffM thinks you lied to me when you said you were new to bz... |
| 15:37.54 | JeffM2501 | do you now TheRedBaron? |
| 15:37.57 | jolie | CBG: huh? |
| 15:38.34 | CBG | jolie: You told me a week or two ago, you were new to bz. JeffM disagrees. |
| 15:38.45 | TheRedBaron | jpa- doesn't have enough experience in being "nice" :) |
| 15:38.54 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: know what? why jolie has ops? |
| 15:38.56 | jpa- | i know how not to |
| 15:39.07 | JeffM2501 | the answer to that is simple |
| 15:39.08 | TheRedBaron | yea thats what i thought :) |
| 15:39.10 | JeffM2501 | I gave it to her |
| 15:39.16 | TheRedBaron | well, yea... |
| 15:39.18 | jpa- | jolie: please inform me :) |
| 15:39.32 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: don't come hunting at me :) i wasn't the one asking the question... |
| 15:39.33 | JeffM2501 | there is nothing more to it then that |
| 15:39.44 | CBG | But WHY is another question... |
| 15:40.26 | CBG | Nobody asked, iirc. |
| 15:40.31 | JeffM2501 | ohh there are many questions in the 'verse pup, don't expect to know the answers to them all :) |
| 15:40.37 | TheRedBaron | jpa-, you need to work on your charm there... |
| 15:41.00 | jpa- | TheRedBaron: why? where? |
| 15:41.02 | TheRedBaron | CBG: this sure looks like a questions "[11:34] * CBG wonders why someone who only started playing bz a few weeks ago gets op status on the dev channel O.o" |
| 15:41.21 | JeffM2501 | wondering is a question |
| 15:41.24 | CBG | thats a statement |
| 15:41.27 | CBG | It is not. |
| 15:41.32 | JeffM2501 | guu dict wonder |
| 15:41.34 | guu | JeffM2501: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Wonder \Won"der\, adv. Wonderfully. [Obs.] --Chaucer. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Wonder \Won"der\, a. Wonderful. [Obs.] --Gower. [1913 Webster] After that he said a wonder thing. --Chaucer. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Wonder \Won"der\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. {Wondered}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Wondering}.] [AS. wundrian.] [1913 Webster] 1. To be affected (9 more messages) |
| 15:41.34 | CBG | I made the statement that I was wondering. |
| 15:41.39 | CBG | I did not ask anyone anything. |
| 15:41.45 | JeffM2501 | you asked yourself :) |
| 15:41.52 | CBG | No. |
| 15:42.01 | JeffM2501 | to wonder is to question oneself |
| 15:42.04 | TheRedBaron | you didn't direct it to anyone specifially, therefore its a statement to the general public |
| 15:42.06 | JeffM2501 | "what if" |
| 15:42.09 | CBG | I made a statement that I was doing that. |
| 15:42.21 | RedBaron2 | "[11:34] * CBG wonders why someone who only started playing bz a few weeks ago gets op status on the dev channel O.o" |
| 15:42.21 | CBG | I did not ask anyone other than myself. |
| 15:42.23 | JeffM2501 | yet you still made the statement in public :) |
| 15:42.27 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 15:42.27 | CBG | So? |
| 15:42.29 | JeffM2501 | never said you did |
| 15:42.31 | CBG | I didnt ASK you. |
| 15:42.33 | RedBaron2 | in there you used the word "why" obviously a question |
| 15:42.35 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 15:42.58 | JeffM2501 | so I can ONLY answer questions that you diect at me? |
| 15:43.14 | TheRedBaron | jpa- has been nuts... |
| 15:43.19 | jpa- | no, but if you won't answer anyway, why bother? |
| 15:43.19 | CBG | No... |
| 15:43.24 | JeffM2501 | then what's the problem? |
| 15:43.34 | CBG | TheRedBaron: JeffM2501: don't come hunting at me i wasn't the one asking the question... |
| 15:43.36 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, because it's fun |
| 15:43.45 | CBG | And I said "Nobody asked a question. |
| 15:43.48 | JeffM2501 | CBG, that's TheRedBaron's issue, not yours. |
| 15:43.49 | CBG | Thats all. Sheeesh! |
| 15:43.59 | JeffM2501 | ohh it's so easy |
| 15:44.03 | jpa- | JeffM2501: ok, i'll start answering all on-topic questions "bahahaha, you don't know, you are sooo uninformed" |
| 15:44.05 | CBG | Yes. |
| 15:44.29 | TheRedBaron | oh joy! now I have issues :) |
| 15:44.45 | CBG | You didnt before? |
| 15:44.52 | CBG | Thats news to me TrB. :P |
| 15:45.12 | TheRedBaron | jpa- shouldn't think... its bad for him |
| 15:45.43 | TheRedBaron | and has the potential to be dangerous to the rest of us... |
| 15:47.29 | jpa- | i don't believe that first thing, and the second one is what i want |
| 15:49.21 | TheRedBaron | jpa-: terrorist! :) |
| 15:49.51 | BearPerson | they reduce terror, not terrorism |
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| 15:53.26 | jolie | tupo mio! |
| 15:53.26 | TheRedBaron | Jolie: feel free to protect the tranquility of this channel, rid us of terrorist :) |
| 15:54.01 | Tupone | jo mia |
| 15:54.35 | Tupone | SportChick: can you test my version ? |
| 15:54.54 | SportChick | tupone, sure - where do I find it? |
| 15:55.10 | Tupone | http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag.tgz |
| 15:55.24 | SportChick | tupone, no exe? |
| 15:55.27 | Tupone | it will have jitter again, but I'm testing something else |
| 15:55.34 | Tupone | it will be inside |
| 15:55.34 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, that is like a zip file |
| 15:55.35 | jolie | well its not my responsabilitie to teach you how to behaive propertlyl. |
| 15:55.43 | SportChick | like? |
| 15:55.45 | JeffM2501 | unzip it and i'll have the exe in it |
| 15:55.45 | Birdie | you have to unzip it |
| 15:55.49 | SportChick | can i undo it in winzip? |
| 15:55.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 15:55.53 | Tupone | yeah |
| 15:55.55 | Birdie | yes |
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| 15:56.02 | TheRedBaron | Jolie: we aren't asking you to teach us. just to enforce a level of it. |
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| 15:57.48 | SportChick | tupone, I'm d/l off a hotel network, and it seems to be going slow - I'll let you know when I have it |
| 15:58.05 | Tupone | yeah, it is slow. my connection :( |
| 15:58.26 | Birdie | how much is your upload aka downspeed for her? |
| 15:59.08 | Tupone | I dunno :( 512 ? or 256. They upgraded twice and I'm lost :) |
| 15:59.35 | Tupone | I just know is 1.2M d/l for me |
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| 16:00.08 | TheRedBaron | tupone: and you call that slow? |
| 16:00.23 | Tupone | upload is slow here |
| 16:00.28 | JeffM2501 | 1.2 megs is slow |
| 16:00.30 | Tupone | you are dialup ? |
| 16:00.31 | BearPerson | 1.2 mbit or 1.2 MB/s ? |
| 16:00.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm geting 6 |
| 16:00.48 | Birdie | MB? |
| 16:00.51 | Tupone | 1.2Mb |
| 16:01.04 | Birdie | i dunno how much i have, but i'm sure i dont have much:) |
| 16:02.22 | Tupone | next time I'll not use home network :) |
| 16:02.42 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: you have an obnoxious way of rubbing things in :-) |
| 16:02.43 | JeffM2501 | 4.6k/s Tupone that is horible |
| 16:02.55 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, it's a gift, part of my muntant power :) |
| 16:03.04 | Tupone | 4.6, I have to check the ongoning connection |
| 16:03.25 | JeffM2501 | would it help with me saying that when I move I'll ahve 2 3meg/768k DSLs ? |
| 16:03.43 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: no... thats not helping anything... |
| 16:03.51 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 16:03.55 | JeffM2501 | it's helping me a lot |
| 16:03.59 | JeffM2501 | whole lot |
| 16:04.16 | JeffM2501 | it just dosn't help you :) |
| 16:04.24 | TheRedBaron | My Cable ISP has spread itself too thin, can't handle the bandwith, so my speed has dropped dramatically |
| 16:04.31 | JeffM2501 | get DSL |
| 16:04.41 | TheRedBaron | ordered it for this friday. |
| 16:05.03 | TheRedBaron | no more shared bandwith for me. |
| 16:05.25 | JeffM2501 | then there is no rubbing in at all |
| 16:05.30 | JeffM2501 | just showing you your future |
| 16:05.50 | TheRedBaron | well, thats a nice way of putting it :) |
| 16:06.03 | JeffM2501 | psycing you up for it |
| 16:07.04 | TheRedBaron | sweet... |
| 16:09.40 | TheRedBaron | unfortunately... I can't remember the speeds that was ordered. |
| 16:11.28 | Tupone | JeffM2501: still 4.6k/s ? |
| 16:12.12 | JeffM2501 | 6.5 |
| 16:12.18 | JeffM2501 | movin on up |
| 16:12.19 | JeffM2501 | to the top |
| 16:12.25 | SportChick | tupone, where do you want me to test? |
| 16:12.27 | JeffM2501 | I've finaly got a piece of the pie |
| 16:12.44 | Tupone | on windows :) open it in a new place |
| 16:12.59 | Tupone | you 'll get a new dir with all files |
| 16:13.19 | SportChick | Tupone: I've downloaded it and unzipped - what server do you want me to go to? |
| 16:13.27 | Tupone | anyone |
| 16:13.34 | SportChick | secretplace? |
| 16:13.37 | Tupone | just to know if it works, |
| 16:14.45 | SportChick | ummmmm - there's no exe |
| 16:14.57 | Tupone | bin directory? |
| 16:14.59 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, tell you what I'll test the first one for ya |
| 16:15.11 | JeffM2501 | so you don't have to 'splain it all for her |
| 16:15.27 | SportChick | it doesn't have .exe extension - should I change the name so it does? |
| 16:15.52 | Tupone | yeah, thanks, there is a complete directory of bin file, I want to know if that worked |
| 16:16.01 | TheRedBaron | what extension does it have? |
| 16:16.02 | Tupone | probably should be renamed :( |
| 16:16.09 | SportChick | no extensions at all |
| 16:16.17 | JeffM2501 | he did a cross compile |
| 16:16.20 | SportChick | just 'bzflag", "bzfs", "bzadmin" |
| 16:16.29 | SportChick | so do I just save it as "bzflag.exe"? |
| 16:16.30 | Tupone | yeah |
| 16:16.31 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, he's asking you to help him test a difrent way to build, you don't have to if you don't want to |
| 16:16.38 | JeffM2501 | I can test for him |
| 16:16.46 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, it can't be in a bin folder ether |
| 16:16.53 | Tupone | yeah |
| 16:16.57 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I don't mind helping -I just need to know where to find the executable file |
| 16:17.13 | Tupone | I know it is not the correct way |
| 16:17.16 | JeffM2501 | that's the thing, it's difrent |
| 16:17.25 | JeffM2501 | so there may not be one in the way you know yet |
| 16:17.38 | SportChick | Tupone: I am willing to help, unfortunately, as you know, I'm blonde, so you have to explain every step to me |
| 16:17.40 | Tupone | I have this 2 things to test, one if the x-build works. 2nd if you can switch from SDL to native |
| 16:17.59 | Tupone | you are blond, and that is a plus :) |
| 16:18.10 | Tupone | ~SportChick++ |
| 16:18.14 | SportChick | hehe |
| 16:18.19 | SportChick | not ALWAYS a help |
| 16:18.28 | Tupone | it helps |
| 16:18.41 | Tupone | JeffM2501: are you testing it ? |
| 16:18.48 | JeffM2501 | still downloding |
| 16:18.57 | SportChick | ask me a legal question or something about international travel and I'm good, but ask me a computer question... well, you KNOW what happens |
| 16:19.07 | Tupone | ahh, I suppose a rename of bzflag to bzflag.exe is good |
| 16:19.10 | TheRedBaron | Sportchick: you'll help them make it Blonde proof.... |
| 16:19.16 | SportChick | TheRedBaron: hehe |
| 16:19.28 | SportChick | does that mean "no blonde can play" or "no blonde can break"/ |
| 16:19.30 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 16:19.42 | TheRedBaron | no blonde can break of course :) |
| 16:19.48 | SportChick | but of course |
| 16:20.00 | SportChick | how many blondes does it take to make chocolate chip cookies? |
| 16:20.18 | BearPerson | well |
| 16:20.20 | BearPerson | one for the dough |
| 16:20.25 | BearPerson | 10 to peel the smarties |
| 16:21.05 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, got it, I'll test when bossman goes away |
| 16:21.17 | Tupone | ok :) |
| 16:22.01 | SportChick | close - 1 to bake the cookies, 8 to peel the mnms |
| 16:23.02 | BearPerson | how many <insert ethnicity here> does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 16:23.15 | BearPerson | 1 to stand on the table, 4 to turn it |
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| 16:33.25 | BearPerson | How does Bill Gates change a light bulb? |
| 16:33.46 | BearPerson | - Not at all. He declares Darkness(tm) to be the new industry standard. |
| 16:33.51 | CBG | ROFL! |
| 16:34.44 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:36.32 | CBG | "Without walls and fences, there would be no need for Windos or Gates." |
| 16:37.06 | bryjen | ms doesn't use lightbulbs, their offices at lit by a multitude of blue lcd panels ;) |
| 16:37.17 | CBG | lol |
| 16:37.55 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 16:38.40 | BearPerson | linux is like a tent: No Windows, no Gates, and an Apache inside. |
| 16:40.46 | TheRedBaron | now that is a good one! |
| 16:40.57 | BearPerson | thanks :) |
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| 16:43.23 | bryjen | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/24/operation_spam_zombie/ |
| 16:43.35 | bryjen | now there's a title asking to be made into a B movie |
| 16:46.21 | CBG | Can anyone have their own private sub-forum on the bb, or is it only for special folk? |
| 16:46.51 | JeffM2501 | you have to ask for one |
| 16:47.02 | JeffM2501 | and realise they are not 100% private |
| 16:47.05 | TheRedBaron | speaking of private forums... |
| 16:47.16 | CBG | I know... :) Thanks Jeff, |
| 16:47.26 | JeffM2501 | what did you want one for? |
| 16:47.43 | CBG | I don't recall saying I wanted one. :P |
| 16:47.49 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 16:47.56 | CBG | But... :P |
| 16:48.10 | JeffM2501 | you would not ask unless you had a gimmer of idea |
| 16:48.17 | CBG | Maybe for my team and/or server... |
| 16:48.21 | CBG | Just curious really. |
| 16:48.27 | JeffM2501 | we do team forums |
| 16:48.31 | Birdie | TiB has one |
| 16:48.35 | CBG | Ok cool. |
| 16:48.40 | CBG | I have to go. |
| 16:48.42 | JeffM2501 | just pm me the list of who you want in it ( bzbb names ) and I can make one |
| 16:48.52 | CBG | My corn beef hash is getting cold. |
| 16:48.56 | CBG | Thanks Jeff! Bye all |
| 16:48.57 | TheRedBaron | hm |
| 16:49.02 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: you can remove the one for "The Baron's team" it was never used. and its probally eating bandwith :) |
| 16:49.49 | JeffM2501 | it's not eating bandwith |
| 16:49.55 | bryjen | just disk space, and that's cheap |
| 16:50.02 | BearPerson | bandwidth... disk space... namespace :) |
| 16:50.03 | Grumbler | disk space is not cheap |
| 16:50.15 | Grumbler | .....especially on a laptop |
| 16:50.25 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, get an error saying it's not a valid win32 application |
| 16:50.36 | Tupone | :( |
| 16:50.36 | JeffM2501 | that froum takes like 100bytes in the db |
| 16:50.38 | JeffM2501 | it's nothing |
| 16:50.56 | JeffM2501 | bit it has a resource section |
| 16:50.59 | JeffM2501 | since I get the icon |
| 16:51.24 | Tupone | I'll try to rebuild just bzflag in case .. perhaps a strip :/ |
| 16:51.52 | bryjen | bah. plain old 3.5 ide drives are cavernous and inexpensive |
| 16:55.21 | TheRedBaron | ok, if it doesn't bother you, then you can leave it up. |
| 16:55.35 | Birdie | although the team doesnt excist anymore:) |
| 16:55.56 | TheRedBaron | that too... |
| 16:56.02 | JeffM2501 | if your not going to use it, I'll pull it |
| 16:56.05 | JeffM2501 | but it's not sucking bandwith |
| 16:56.21 | TheRedBaron | ok |
| 16:56.34 | TheRedBaron | go ahead and pull it, it wasn't ever used, and I don't think it will be. |
| 16:57.23 | Birdie | do you check the posts in the private forums to? |
| 16:57.32 | JeffM2501 | usualy not |
| 16:57.34 | JeffM2501 | I see them |
| 16:57.43 | JeffM2501 | but usualy it's a gloss over |
| 16:58.00 | Birdie | you must have so much forums on your screan:s all those private forums |
| 16:58.15 | JeffM2501 | it's very long yes |
| 16:58.22 | JeffM2501 | that is why I use a tabed browser |
| 16:58.33 | Tupone | http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag.exe.gz |
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| 17:00.05 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: tabs? what are these tabs you speak of? ;-) |
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| 17:02.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/configure.in: build .exe for windows. I just said autoconf-2.13 is too old :( |
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| 17:04.10 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, firefox |
| 17:05.50 | TheRedBaron | Yes. You're obnoxious with your "rubbing it in" i try to be obnoxious and push people's "excited buttons" |
| 17:06.59 | Tupone | JeffM2501: have you seen my link ? |
| 17:07.16 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, yeah doing real work for a sec |
| 17:07.19 | JeffM2501 | busy day today |
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| 17:07.23 | Tupone | np, ok |
| 17:07.32 | Tupone | just wonder |
| 17:08.26 | TheRedBaron | gee that was intelligent of me |
| 17:08.31 | TheRedBaron | jpa-, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3695 |
| 17:08.53 | TheRedBaron | that topic was my comic relief for about a week. |
| 17:09.59 | blast007 | Tupone: that exe works for me :) |
| 17:10.22 | Tupone | audio too? |
| 17:10.32 | blast007 | hmm, let me check..had it turned down ;) |
| 17:10.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah works |
| 17:10.46 | JeffM2501 | with audio |
| 17:10.53 | JeffM2501 | just have to change the dirs around |
| 17:10.54 | Tupone | JeffM2501: you have SDL ? |
| 17:10.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:10.59 | blast007 | yup, works |
| 17:11.02 | Tupone | ok, that is why |
| 17:11.39 | blast007 | for some reason, IE couldn't download the file properly...probably the .gz extension |
| 17:11.42 | JeffM2501 | had to rename the data dir to data |
| 17:11.48 | JeffM2501 | IE will try to un gzip it |
| 17:11.51 | blast007 | yup |
| 17:11.59 | JeffM2501 | another reason IE blows |
| 17:12.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:12.15 | Tupone | can you put in the config.cfg "set SDLVideo true" |
| 17:12.43 | Tupone | or 1, I forget what true is |
| 17:12.47 | CBG | Is there a reason IE doesnt blow? |
| 17:13.00 | Tupone | I test BZDB.isTrue("SDLVideo") |
| 17:13.11 | BearPerson | "Yes, Avant Browser is secure. Since it's based on Internet Explorer, Avant Browser is as secure as Internet Explorer." |
| 17:13.30 | JeffM2501 | that makes sure it's just not 0 |
| 17:13.33 | jpa- | it is faster to open putty from ie because by default, firefox won't let to directly open exe files |
| 17:13.56 | Tupone | can you test putting that and see if video is now handled by SDL ? |
| 17:14.02 | JeffM2501 | seems to work |
| 17:14.11 | Tupone | even F4 and F1 ? |
| 17:14.44 | JeffM2501 | locks up on F1 |
| 17:14.49 | Tupone | eek |
| 17:15.17 | Tupone | F1 should window it |
| 17:15.24 | Tupone | and F4 iconize |
| 17:15.30 | JeffM2501 | it kills it |
| 17:15.45 | JeffM2501 | saw no indication it was using SDL tho |
| 17:15.52 | JeffM2501 | where would it have shown? |
| 17:16.08 | blast007 | the mouse cursor on mine changed to black with a white border |
| 17:16.19 | JeffM2501 | probably video modes |
| 17:16.28 | blast007 | no, I think SDL does that |
| 17:16.37 | Tupone | well, if that work, without breaking I'll put that version in and let both you see what is wrong. It is ok ? |
| 17:16.59 | Tupone | at least guy do not set that variable |
| 17:17.19 | Tupone | and change are so few |
| 17:17.22 | JeffM2501 | what is the reason for people using it? |
| 17:17.30 | JeffM2501 | on windows SDL just calls directX |
| 17:18.03 | Tupone | I want to make more modular, and then add timekeeper too , in the platform |
| 17:18.23 | JeffM2501 | what does sdl call for timekeeper? |
| 17:18.29 | JeffM2501 | qpf? |
| 17:18.34 | Tupone | nope |
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| 17:18.41 | JeffM2501 | timegettime? |
| 17:18.59 | Tupone | I'll do switchable, and use the things you patched in SportChick exe |
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| 17:19.08 | Tupone | getTime |
| 17:19.13 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 17:19.17 | JeffM2501 | timegettime has other problems |
| 17:19.22 | JeffM2501 | so that's NOT a viable solution |
| 17:19.35 | JeffM2501 | it throws off DR |
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| 17:19.57 | Tupone | DR ? |
| 17:20.02 | JeffM2501 | Dead Recogning |
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| 17:20.42 | JeffM2501 | while her jitter was fixed |
| 17:20.54 | JeffM2501 | she had other graphical problems with people boucning back |
| 17:21.00 | JeffM2501 | getTime just isn't accurate engouh |
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| 17:21.55 | Tupone | I suppose on new machine it get the precision required, but still, timekeeper belong to platform |
| 17:22.08 | Tupone | and I want peopple can configure what they wnat |
| 17:22.30 | Tupone | SDL support is more complete for video then our, in some part, but is worst in some other |
| 17:22.46 | Tupone | so, better choose at runtime, no ? |
| 17:22.56 | JeffM2501 | it just calls DirectX like bz does, there should be nothing difrent |
| 17:23.04 | JeffM2501 | video wise it's the same |
| 17:23.30 | Tupone | Sure, we could do all, but we miss some function, like windowing and minimizing |
| 17:23.33 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 17:23.41 | JeffM2501 | that means we just need to hook them up |
| 17:23.50 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't mean SDL is the only option |
| 17:23.55 | JeffM2501 | SDL for video dosn't let you pick refresh |
| 17:24.00 | JeffM2501 | it's more limited |
| 17:24.12 | Tupone | I know, let people choose |
| 17:24.23 | JeffM2501 | or spend the time and just fix windows |
| 17:24.35 | JeffM2501 | then it's an integrated solution |
| 17:24.44 | JeffM2501 | but there is merit in having timekeeper in platform |
| 17:24.48 | JeffM2501 | I think tha'ts a good idea |
| 17:25.05 | JeffM2501 | if we want to do runtime swaps,I'd put each plat in it's own lib |
| 17:25.12 | JeffM2501 | and load the interfaces we need at runtime |
| 17:25.13 | blast007 | F4 already works on Windows, without SDL |
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| 17:25.24 | JeffM2501 | but then I may be on a plugin crusade |
| 17:26.16 | Tupone | I remember something aboout F1 and F4, and confine mouse |
| 17:26.38 | blast007 | F1 doesn't do anything |
| 17:26.59 | Tupone | F1 on linux switch full-screen to window |
| 17:27.06 | JeffM2501 | I think enven the URL manager and network should be in platform |
| 17:27.24 | Tupone | URL is already an abstraction |
| 17:27.31 | Tupone | made by other |
| 17:27.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah but you require us to use CURL |
| 17:27.41 | Tupone | prolly more unix like |
| 17:27.57 | Tupone | and, better import that code in the project ? |
| 17:28.39 | JeffM2501 | well on windows we have our own DNS and url methods |
| 17:28.40 | Tupone | the bzflag.exe.gz has curl linked staically |
| 17:28.49 | Tupone | and also c-ares |
| 17:29.10 | Tupone | so it is all self inclusive |
| 17:29.25 | Tupone | I just let SDL out for licensing problem |
| 17:31.03 | JeffM2501 | yes but the native interface would work better for people with nonstandard connections |
| 17:31.53 | JeffM2501 | so for an end user, it would be better |
| 17:32.11 | JeffM2501 | but then I'm not sure who bzflag is suposed to be for, the end user, or the developers |
| 17:32.12 | Tupone | The problem I see is that, if a guy want to implement something making native implementation of all, need a collaboration of a lot of guy |
| 17:32.17 | JeffM2501 | that lline is blurred often |
| 17:32.28 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, and colaboration is bad how? |
| 17:32.51 | Tupone | you know, collaboration here is ... well I don't know |
| 17:33.15 | JeffM2501 | so your goal is for the develiper |
| 17:33.53 | Tupone | goal is for dev working better to do better product for end-user |
| 17:34.02 | Tupone | so yeah |
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| 17:38.10 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, is that a big problem right now?" |
| 17:38.46 | Tupone | what problem? |
| 17:38.50 | Tupone | SDL for windows? |
| 17:39.20 | JeffM2501 | what ever problem your trying to solve, devs doing things with out colaboration :) |
| 17:39.47 | Tupone | quality of last release of bzflag is not good as I would like |
| 17:41.34 | Tupone | but I'm not sure what is the best way to fix it :( |
| 17:42.58 | Tupone | the things I want to do now is make a fix to SC, and I 'm going to follow my way :/ |
| 17:43.27 | Tupone | and my way is doing a switchable platform, and adding timekeeper there |
| 17:44.02 | Tupone | at least for windows ... not all the detail are clear to me now |
| 17:45.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (SDLDisplay.h WinDisplay.h): isValid() better be virtual, like the parent is |
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| 17:51.59 | JeffM2501 | good morning sunshine |
| 17:52.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (WinPlatformFactory.cxx WinPlatformFactory.h): Windows use native by default, switchable via BZDB variable |
| 17:52.08 | Tupone | morning |
| 17:52.10 | DTRemenak | thx :) |
| 17:52.41 | Birdie | you get up late |
| 17:52.51 | Birdie | if your timezone is what i think it is |
| 17:53.23 | DTRemenak | Birdie: according to Ben Franklin I should be sick, poor, and foolish :) |
| 17:53.36 | Birdie | poor? you:) |
| 17:53.39 | Birdie | hmmm |
| 17:54.27 | JeffM2501 | dude you are foolish |
| 17:54.38 | DTRemenak | why do you say that? |
| 17:54.41 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 17:54.49 | JeffM2501 | cus you help me sometimes |
| 17:54.54 | JeffM2501 | and that's prety darn foolish |
| 17:54.56 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:55.08 | DTRemenak | SportChick: up for trying another jitter-killer build? |
| 17:56.26 | SportChick | DTRemenak: YES! |
| 17:56.34 | DTRemenak | ah, you're actually here even :) |
| 17:56.49 | Birdie | she wakes up to;) |
| 17:57.53 | SportChick | DTRemenak: I was up at 4am. where were YOU? |
| 17:57.56 | jpa- | jitter deserves to live! |
| 17:58.04 | DTRemenak | SportChick: I was up at 4 am too :) |
| 17:58.05 | JeffM2501 | there is a 4 am? |
| 17:58.22 | DTRemenak | actually that's about the time I went to bed |
| 17:58.59 | Birdie | and you go to college to class?:) |
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| 17:59.53 | DTRemenak | uhh....sometimes I go to class ;) |
| 18:00.18 | `sam` | when the configure script says it's "checking for artificial intelligence for bz's robots", what is it looking for? what do i need for this? |
| 18:01.02 | JeffM2501 | just sometimes? |
| 18:01.45 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: can you chmod g+w on builds/2.0.x on my.b.o? |
| 18:02.14 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 18:04.32 | JeffM2501 | did that do it? |
| 18:04.53 | DTRemenak | sweet, thanks |
| 18:05.28 | DTRemenak | yeah, that did it |
| 18:05.47 | DTRemenak | SportChick: http://dtremenak.bakadigital.com/bzflag-2.0.3b2.exe |
| 18:06.22 | DTRemenak | hopefully that will at least be no worse than what you have now :) |
| 18:07.05 | SportChick | DTRemenak: wanna come watch me try it out? |
| 18:07.30 | DTRemenak | yeah, actually. sp? |
| 18:07.48 | SportChick | sure - going there now |
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| 18:31.59 | SportChick | ~dtremenak++ |
| 18:32.58 | JeffM2501 | ot work better? |
| 18:32.59 | DTRemenak | ~SportChick++ |
| 18:33.23 | SportChick | I'll let dtr try and interpret my blonde-responses for you |
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| 18:37.06 | DTRemenak | if I interpreted them correctly, the hud jitter is different, not better or worse. remotely she looks just fine. |
| 18:42.08 | Grumbler | ...so, time to port bzflag to the ps3 |
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| 18:52.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx: |
| 18:52.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: compare QPC to timeGetTime and correct to timeGetTime's value if it's drifted more than 20ms. |
| 18:52.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: with SC's numbers, it will be reset about 5x per second |
| 18:52.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: this should automatically detect and compensate for The SportChick Jitter Problem. |
| 18:52.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: SportChick still reports that the outside view is not smooth, but her tank movements are much smoother from an observer's perspective |
| 18:52.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: hopefully the added overhead from two timer calls will not cause a problem on slow computers |
| 18:53.08 | DTRemenak | three cheers for long commit messages |
| 18:53.29 | BearPerson | TSCJP fixed... |
| 18:53.48 | Grumbler | wow, it has its own acroynm |
| 18:54.19 | BearPerson | it does now at least :) |
| 18:54.24 | ToughShooter | There is also the ToughShooter bug out there |
| 18:54.41 | Grumbler | ah, the TSB |
| 18:54.42 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: which is that? |
| 18:55.13 | ToughShooter | Getting stuck when a group has spin 270 0 0 1 but not with spin -90 0 0 1 |
| 18:55.55 | DTRemenak | ah, I thought trepan had a fix for that, just couldn't apply it until protocol breaks |
| 18:56.04 | ToughShooter | Hmm |
| 18:56.05 | ToughShooter | o |
| 18:56.39 | ToughShooter | Last time trepan said something about it I was told that he would have no idea |
| 18:56.58 | Grumbler | so when we are able enter the PBT, we should be able to address the TSB, thanks to TRP |
| 18:57.54 | ToughShooter | PBT? |
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| 18:58.33 | ToughShooter | ahh, I do see it now |
| 19:02.13 | Birdie | !weather florida |
| 19:03.07 | bryjen | !weather miami, fl |
| 19:03.12 | guu | bryjen: The current temperature in Miami, Florida (33010) is 91°F (2:53 PM EDT on May 24, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 70°F. Pressure: 29.77 in (1008 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 9 out of 16 |
| 19:03.28 | bryjen | !weather orlando, fl |
| 19:03.34 | guu | bryjen: The current temperature in Orlando, Florida (32801) is 91°F (2:53 PM EDT on May 24, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 70°F. Wind: WSW at 17 mph (28 km/h). Pressure: 29.70 in (1006 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 9 out of 16 |
| 19:03.42 | Birdie | bryjen: can you do for florida to?:) |
| 19:04.12 | bryjen | no, it needs a city and a state |
| 19:04.31 | Birdie | ah |
| 19:04.33 | Birdie | thx |
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| 19:23.02 | BearPerson | "Programming is a constant race between programmers making bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe making bigger and better idiots. |
| 19:23.09 | BearPerson | So far, the universe is winning." |
| 19:23.37 | brad2901 | hmm... |
| 19:23.53 | jpa- | braddie <3 |
| 19:24.00 | brad2901 | .. :( |
| 19:24.07 | Birdie | lol finally some one who thinks the same |
| 19:24.07 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:24.25 | brad2901 | jpa-, why all the hugging? |
| 19:24.34 | jpa- | blame birdie |
| 19:24.35 | jolie | too much hug-bunny |
| 19:24.40 | brad2901 | hmm... |
| 19:24.43 | Birdie | blame me?:( |
| 19:25.12 | brad2901 | .... |
| 19:25.23 | Birdie | so you wanted to hug brad without clothes.. |
| 19:25.25 | Birdie | ugh |
| 19:25.43 | jpa- | :P |
| 19:25.47 | brad2901 | :\ |
| 19:25.52 | Birdie | brad lucker:) |
| 19:25.58 | brad2901 | err? |
| 19:26.03 | brad2901 | you can have him ;) |
| 19:26.04 | jolie | scary |
| 19:26.13 | Birdie | no no i leave you the honour to have him |
| 19:26.16 | Birdie | i'm to nice:) |
| 19:26.28 | brad2901 | yeah, right.. ;) |
| 19:29.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 19:30.31 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 19:30.41 | Birdie | your power addicted |
| 19:32.37 | jpa- | well, no-one wants to be on the same level with Birdie anyway |
| 19:32.48 | Birdie | :( |
| 19:32.52 | jolie | ... behaive |
| 19:33.03 | Birdie | yay some one defends me |
| 19:33.06 | Birdie | ~jolie ++ |
| 19:33.14 | Birdie | ~karme jolie |
| 19:33.15 | JeffM2501 | never question a woman who wants to be on top, it's bad form |
| 19:33.28 | Birdie | (just menionning i'm male jeff:) ) |
| 19:33.32 | jolie | .... |
| 19:33.41 | Birdie | ~karma jolie |
| 19:33.41 | ibot | jolie has neutral karma |
| 19:33.43 | Birdie | thats better |
| 19:34.02 | Grumbler | ~JeffM2501-- |
| 19:34.06 | JeffM2501 | aww |
| 19:34.15 | Birdie | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 19:34.15 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 53 |
| 19:34.16 | Grumbler | lets stay on topic |
| 19:34.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:34.21 | Grumbler | :) |
| 19:34.24 | Birdie | 53 |
| 19:34.32 | jolie | .... |
| 19:34.37 | Birdie | you must have helped people so much |
| 19:34.38 | JeffM2501 | well thats only karma after "the fall" |
| 19:34.44 | Birdie | fall? |
| 19:34.48 | JeffM2501 | fall |
| 19:34.59 | Grumbler | before he was medicated |
| 19:35.01 | Birdie | ~karma Patlabor |
| 19:35.01 | ibot | patlabor has karma of 2 |
| 19:35.11 | JeffM2501 | not quite |
| 19:35.12 | Birdie | ~karma Patlabor221 |
| 19:35.12 | ibot | patlabor221 has karma of 238 |
| 19:35.16 | Birdie | ugh |
| 19:35.28 | Birdie | 238 + 2 + 53 = 293 |
| 19:35.53 | Grumbler | you assume they are the same person....or personality for that matter |
| 19:36.07 | Birdie | well patlabor221 is in his whois |
| 19:36.09 | JeffM2501 | you asume they are not? |
| 19:36.20 | Birdie | why did you changed your name actually? |
| 19:36.34 | JeffM2501 | many things changed in the fall |
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| 19:40.32 | jolie | awww |
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| 19:48.17 | Elem3nt | hello? |
| 19:48.26 | jolie | nobody home, try later |
| 19:48.37 | MacXXX | Howdy. |
| 19:49.18 | Elem3nt | Anyone want to try to troubleshoot a server problem? |
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| 19:49.41 | JeffM2501 | only if I can use the flak cannon |
| 19:49.49 | Elem3nt | lol |
| 19:50.00 | Elem3nt | that IS the best solution |
| 19:50.49 | JeffM2501 | what is the problem? |
| 19:51.24 | Elem3nt | Whenever a new person joins the server and spawns, all the current players automatically drop their flags |
| 19:51.45 | Elem3nt | It really isn't much of a deal with small amounts of players |
| 19:51.51 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 19:51.53 | JeffM2501 | OS? |
| 19:51.57 | Elem3nt | But it does get some people going "???" |
| 19:52.05 | Elem3nt | Ubuntu Linux 5.04 (Hoary) |
| 19:52.13 | jpa- | do they go [nr] too? |
| 19:52.20 | Tupone | gcc -v ? |
| 19:52.42 | Tupone | Elem3nt: did you install from source ? |
| 19:52.53 | Elem3nt | Yeah, sometimes players have a tendency to go [nr], but it seems like they have no connection to the new player spawn |
| 19:53.58 | JeffM2501 | you behind a router? |
| 19:54.07 | Elem3nt | @Tupone: No, I downloaded the precompiled packages |
| 19:54.17 | Tupone | ok |
| 19:54.32 | Elem3nt | Yes. I have forwarded the ports to the server. |
| 19:54.40 | JeffM2501 | TPC AND UDP? |
| 19:54.50 | Elem3nt | Yes |
| 19:55.01 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 19:55.02 | Elem3nt | UDP is 17200-17xxx, right? |
| 19:55.09 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:55.11 | JeffM2501 | same port |
| 19:55.19 | Elem3nt | As the TCP connection> |
| 19:55.21 | Elem3nt | ? |
| 19:55.23 | JeffM2501 | ya |
| 19:55.26 | Elem3nt | ah |
| 19:55.46 | Elem3nt | let me try enabling both TCP and UDP connection forwarding |
| 19:55.53 | JeffM2501 | you have to |
| 19:56.46 | Elem3nt | hold on for say 3 min. |
| 19:56.59 | Elem3nt | hold on for say 3 min |
| 19:57.01 | JeffM2501 | I was going somewhere? |
| 19:57.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm just siting here eating raw fish |
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| 20:01.12 | Grumbler | some raw fish isnt bad.....some is...... |
| 20:01.55 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: "hiddenAdmin - Now |
| 20:01.55 | brad2901 | removes the admin bit sent to clients so admins don't show up with the tell tale @ before there names. " Isn't that already in BZFlag as a group perm? |
| 20:05.16 | brad2901 | oh wait, I just read down a bit... :) |
| 20:06.15 | JeffM2501 | raw fish is good if done right |
| 20:07.44 | Grumbler | the type of fish is important |
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| 20:09.17 | BenUrban | "[13:53:24] <DTRemenak>Birdie: according to Ben Franklin I should be sick, poor, and foolish :)" |
| 20:09.29 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:09.34 | JeffM2501 | maybe you should make it more complete :) |
| 20:13.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/WinPlatformFactory.cxx: warning |
| 20:24.49 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, think I should do anything for plugins with VC6? |
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| 20:28.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx: printf can use char* not std::string |
| 20:29.01 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: nope, let someone else take care of it |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | wana desuport 6? |
| 20:29.40 | DTRemenak | no developers use it anymore, right? |
| 20:29.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/platform/WinPlatformFactory.cxx: Probably need a rest, un-useful statement |
| 20:29.53 | Tupone | bzfs server on windows VS6 ? |
| 20:30.28 | JeffM2501 | not that I know of |
| 20:30.48 | Chestal | yay, dump that ancient compiler |
| 20:30.49 | JeffM2501 | mac updated |
| 20:30.53 | JeffM2501 | you updated |
| 20:30.57 | JeffM2501 | I of course have |
| 20:31.00 | JeffM2501 | even purpie has 7 |
| 20:31.17 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: there's a guy who posted patches to support it. maybe he should be asked if he wants to maintain it. |
| 20:31.44 | DTRemenak | doesn't compile on vs5 anymore so I can't keep it up to date |
| 20:31.53 | JeffM2501 | he posted patches to support what? |
| 20:32.09 | DTRemenak | vc6 |
| 20:32.15 | JeffM2501 | for plugins? |
| 20:32.22 | JeffM2501 | or just a general update? |
| 20:32.37 | DTRemenak | general |
| 20:32.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:32.52 | DTRemenak | hm, and actually I never did apply it :) |
| 20:32.53 | JeffM2501 | we can move it to "misc" |
| 20:33.04 | JeffM2501 | so i'll still be there |
| 20:33.09 | JeffM2501 | but kinda unsuported |
| 20:33.15 | DTRemenak | no, if anything just leave it in cvs history |
| 20:33.20 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:33.26 | DTRemenak | I'd leave it though |
| 20:33.29 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:33.33 | DTRemenak | blast007 uses it too I think |
| 20:33.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:33.41 | JeffM2501 | well if he does |
| 20:35.00 | DTRemenak | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1192753&group_id=3248&atid=303248 - someone should probably apply that patch |
| 20:35.14 | DTRemenak | ah well |
| 20:36.23 | JeffM2501 | or I could just be unlazy and keep it updated |
| 20:36.40 | JeffM2501 | odds of that happening.................. |
| 20:36.47 | JeffM2501 | 9 |
| 20:39.53 | bryjen | ~8ball |
| 20:39.54 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: It is certain |
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| 20:45.08 | bz3112 | <TimRiker> ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 21:02.52 | brad2901 | Possible bug: If you spawn before the countdown starts, the countdown will kill you, but you can spawn anywhere, not just your base.. |
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| 21:20.26 | tankitty | ciao tutti |
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| 22:25.08 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
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| 22:43.01 | ThePresident | help |
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| 22:44.21 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:44.26 | Atomica | Hello! |
| 22:44.33 | ThePresident | i need help |
| 22:44.39 | JeffM2501 | I gatherd that |
| 22:44.41 | JeffM2501 | on.....? |
| 22:45.32 | ThePresident | how do you know if the server on BZ flag is the one you made? |
| 22:45.55 | JeffM2501 | like a local server you are running? |
| 22:46.03 | ThePresident | yes |
| 22:46.15 | JeffM2501 | put 127.0.0.1 for the address |
| 22:46.29 | JeffM2501 | that is allways localhost |
| 22:46.42 | ThePresident | thank you i got to go now |
| 22:46.53 | JeffM2501 | good luck |
| 22:50.23 | *** part/#bzflag Zathman (user@c-67-166-61-184.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 22:51.33 | ThePresident | now how do other people get on my server? |
| 22:51.49 | JeffM2501 | did you make it public? |
| 22:52.02 | JeffM2501 | and is the internet directly routed into your server? |
| 22:52.05 | ThePresident | how do you do that? |
| 22:52.43 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a router? |
| 22:52.53 | ThePresident | yes |
| 22:53.08 | JeffM2501 | have you done a port forwarding on the router to send your bzflag port to your computer |
| 22:53.29 | ThePresident | i dont know |
| 22:53.58 | JeffM2501 | then you haven't |
| 22:54.00 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.28 | ThePresident | i dont do the networking that's why i dont know |
| 22:55.39 | JeffM2501 | who ever does the networking will need to do it for you |
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| 22:56.10 | ThePresident | ok how do i tell if it has already been done? |
| 22:56.34 | JeffM2501 | people from the outside could get to you :) |
| 22:56.36 | Meatwad | very forcefully |
| 22:56.58 | ThePresident | ok how can i tell if they can???? |
| 22:57.12 | JeffM2501 | have them connect to your IP |
| 22:57.37 | ThePresident | my internal ip or external |
| 22:57.42 | JeffM2501 | exernal |
| 22:57.52 | JeffM2501 | internal ip is only for your internal network |
| 22:58.05 | ThePresident | how do i know wat that is, ko |
| 22:58.11 | ThePresident | ok* |
| 22:58.18 | JeffM2501 | www.whatismyip.com |
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| 22:58.45 | ThePresident | say that again |
| 22:58.49 | JeffM2501 | www.whatismyip.com |
| 22:59.06 | ThePresident | ok now wat? |
| 22:59.18 | JeffM2501 | give people that IP |
| 22:59.21 | JeffM2501 | have them type it in |
| 22:59.25 | JeffM2501 | see if they can connect |
| 22:59.27 | ThePresident | ok |
| 23:00.19 | ThePresident | well my only friend on BZ flag is AFK on i.m. |
| 23:00.33 | JeffM2501 | what is your IP? |
| 23:01.09 | ThePresident | 68.50.83.136 |
| 23:01.09 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzfsquery 68.50.83.136 |
| 23:01.21 | ThePresident | wat'sthat? |
| 23:01.33 | JeffM2501 | I told the bot to test your server |
| 23:01.39 | ThePresident | o |
| 23:01.40 | JeffM2501 | your not routed right |
| 23:01.44 | ThePresident | ok |
| 23:01.45 | JeffM2501 | or it would have come back by now |
| 23:01.50 | ThePresident | thank you |
| 23:01.55 | ThePresident | ibot bzfsquery 68.50.83.136 |
| 23:02.13 | ThePresident | oops |
| 23:02.17 | ThePresident | cya |
| 23:02.35 | JeffM2501 | dude ease up |
| 23:02.38 | JeffM2501 | just fix your route |
| 23:02.51 | ThePresident | ok ill have to later |
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| 23:04.50 | thankyouforyourh | The President: thank you for your help on my server |
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| 23:05.08 | thankyouforyourh | problem* |
| 23:06.06 | wegstar_away | ? |
| 23:06.47 | Pimpi | ?? |
| 23:07.12 | JeffM2501 | sur eman |
| 23:08.44 | Pimpi | hm, david_v's server list is down :( |
| 23:09.58 | Pimpi | ~strayer |
| 23:09.59 | ibot | i heard strayer is a user of mirc |
| 23:12.15 | Pimpi | any other site that lists matchservers? |
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| 23:15.14 | blast007 | Pimpi: http://zeebrothers.net/server.php |
| 23:15.22 | Pimpi | ty |
| 23:15.39 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:17.06 | menotume | ~bzfsquery bzflag.no-ip.com:5158 |
| 23:17.09 | Pimpi | didn't know that the zee's site is still maintained |
| 23:17.26 | menotume | !bzfsquery bzflag.no-ip.com:5158 |
| 23:17.27 | guu | menotume: Poke me there again, and you'll pull back a stump. |
| 23:17.34 | menotume | nweeee |
| 23:17.58 | Pimpi | ~bzfquery bzflag.no-ip.com:5158 |
| 23:18.06 | menotume | ahhh, thx |
| 23:19.30 | menotume | big lag problem between Phila and NY :( |
| 23:21.29 | Pimpi | nacht |
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