| 00:15.02 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (~G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:15.11 | RPG_ | hello |
| 00:15.23 | brad2901 | Hi RPG_ |
| 00:17.09 | RPG_ | trying to program my Got Shot By (player) with (flag) patch, so bear with me |
| 00:24.22 | RPG_ | is Lan here? |
| 00:24.36 | RPG_ | nope |
| 00:33.19 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 00:33.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 00:35.19 | JeffM2501 | learner, ping... |
| 00:35.45 | RPG_ | hello |
| 00:36.08 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 00:36.17 | *** join/#bzflag horizstar (horizon@c-67-171-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:36.35 | RPG_ | i can't find out the right syntax to get the flag name for my Got Shot By... project |
| 00:36.43 | horizstar | can someone point me to a map that has a good example of transparent walls ... aka windows? |
| 00:36.53 | RPG_ | the tutorial on pointers is confusing :? |
| 00:36.54 | JeffM2501 | did you read my post? |
| 00:36.59 | RPG_ | yes |
| 00:37.01 | JeffM2501 | do you know what a class is? |
| 00:37.14 | JeffM2501 | call get label |
| 00:37.32 | RPG_ | i know what a class is, i just dont' know the calling syntax |
| 00:37.34 | JeffM2501 | ptr->label;() |
| 00:37.54 | JeffM2501 | horizstar, the islandhopping map should have many |
| 00:38.02 | JeffM2501 | bahh I can't type |
| 00:38.08 | horizstar | ok |
| 00:38.10 | JeffM2501 | it's be flag->label(); |
| 00:38.18 | JeffM2501 | add that to your existing std::string |
| 00:38.49 | RPG_ | I never had a :: in my code |
| 00:38.51 | RPG_ | just saw that |
| 00:39.01 | RPG_ | would it be Flag::flag->label |
| 00:39.10 | JeffM2501 | :: is for class and namespace definitions |
| 00:39.12 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:39.15 | JeffM2501 | you don't need the :: |
| 00:39.20 | JeffM2501 | it knows what it's a pointer to |
| 00:39.32 | RPG_ | so this is correct: blowedUpNotice += flag->label(); |
| 00:39.42 | JeffM2501 | what is blowedUpNotice? |
| 00:39.45 | JeffM2501 | a std::string? |
| 00:39.53 | RPG_ | it's the string that says Got Shot by (player) |
| 00:40.01 | JeffM2501 | but what TYPE is it? |
| 00:40.07 | JeffM2501 | a char[] or a std::string ? |
| 00:40.11 | RPG_ | std::string |
| 00:40.16 | JeffM2501 | then yeah that'll work |
| 00:40.19 | RPG_ | std::string blowedUpNotice; |
| 00:40.25 | RPG_ | ok |
| 00:40.31 | JeffM2501 | std::string has an overloaded += operator |
| 00:40.34 | JeffM2501 | char does not |
| 00:40.59 | RPG_ | wow, thanks! |
| 00:41.02 | RPG_ | it compiled! |
| 00:41.06 | RPG_ | oh poo |
| 00:41.12 | RPG_ | it stopped |
| 00:41.22 | JeffM2501 | compile != work :0 |
| 00:41.57 | RPG_ | this is the same error I got before I added my patch, so at least the patch worked |
| 00:42.19 | RPG_ | it says this: The input line is too long. |
| 00:42.29 | RPG_ | Does lan need to update? |
| 00:42.31 | JeffM2501 | what OS/compiler? |
| 00:42.45 | RPG_ | XP/mingw32 (i think) |
| 00:43.02 | JeffM2501 | mingw or devc++? |
| 00:43.07 | RPG_ | devc++ |
| 00:43.19 | JeffM2501 | hmm dono |
| 00:43.31 | JeffM2501 | never likes how he set that project up |
| 00:43.54 | RPG_ | back to the function, will the flag->label(); get the flag name of the person who just shot you? |
| 00:44.07 | RPG_ | *name of the FLAG of the person who just shot you |
| 00:44.09 | JeffM2501 | where did you get flag from? |
| 00:44.18 | RPG_ | you told me to add it |
| 00:44.23 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 00:44.27 | RPG_ | oh |
| 00:44.29 | JeffM2501 | where did it fill in the pointer? |
| 00:44.36 | RPG_ | the line: blowedUpNotice += flag->label(); |
| 00:44.37 | JeffM2501 | who's flag is it? |
| 00:44.40 | JeffM2501 | before that |
| 00:44.44 | JeffM2501 | flag is an object |
| 00:44.47 | JeffM2501 | where did it come from? |
| 00:44.49 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.49 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.49 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.49 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.49 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.50 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.52 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.02 | JeffM2501 | where is flag initalised? |
| 00:45.04 | learner | JeffM2501: pong |
| 00:45.15 | JeffM2501 | learner, can you convert a psd file from CS to PS7? |
| 00:45.19 | JeffM2501 | and sup |
| 00:45.21 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 00:45.26 | learner | dunno, I can try |
| 00:45.34 | JeffM2501 | I don't have CS at home |
| 00:45.40 | RPG_ | I don't see a Flag:: |
| 00:45.54 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, flag had to come from somewhere |
| 00:45.58 | JeffM2501 | or it wouldn't compile |
| 00:46.01 | learner | you saying 7 won't read it? |
| 00:46.02 | JeffM2501 | find the variiable |
| 00:46.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah it tries but says it's a newer format |
| 00:46.18 | creeperz | Flag came from cloth |
| 00:46.26 | JeffM2501 | creeperz, not now |
| 00:46.30 | creeperz | alright |
| 00:47.15 | RPG_ | what line am i looking for for initilazing Flag? |
| 00:47.21 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 00:47.25 | JeffM2501 | you made the code :) |
| 00:47.33 | JeffM2501 | look where flag is on the left of an = |
| 00:47.37 | RPG_ | i added one line |
| 00:47.40 | JeffM2501 | this is normal C stuff |
| 00:48.21 | RPG_ | eh? const FlagType* flag = tracked->getFlag(); |
| 00:48.37 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 00:48.43 | JeffM2501 | and who is tracked? |
| 00:48.56 | JeffM2501 | where'd it come from |
| 00:49.04 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.13 | JeffM2501 | that's who's flag it is |
| 00:49.22 | RPG_ | the winners flag? |
| 00:49.36 | JeffM2501 | learner if you have a moment to try http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/ranks2.psd |
| 00:49.36 | RPG_ | well that woulnd't be the point |
| 00:49.47 | JeffM2501 | then you need to get a difrent flag |
| 00:50.03 | JeffM2501 | do you have the player that killed you? |
| 00:50.16 | RPG_ | yes, im looking for it |
| 00:50.19 | JeffM2501 | bahh ranks.2.psd |
| 00:50.32 | JeffM2501 | what variable is it in? |
| 00:50.57 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.02 | RPG_ | killerPlayer sounds like it might be it |
| 00:51.11 | JeffM2501 | then you want to get the flag from killerplayer |
| 00:51.17 | learner | JeffM2501: 404 |
| 00:51.31 | JeffM2501 | learner, do ranks.2.psd |
| 00:51.34 | JeffM2501 | I missed a dot |
| 00:52.04 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/ranks.2.psd |
| 00:52.05 | RPG_ | this it? Player *killerPlayer = lookupPlayer(killer); |
| 00:52.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah killerplayer is the variable you want to use to fill in your flag |
| 00:52.27 | JeffM2501 | not that winner crap |
| 00:52.45 | JeffM2501 | make a new flag pointer called like flagThatGotMe |
| 00:52.52 | JeffM2501 | and fill it from killerPlayer->getFlag(); |
| 00:53.04 | learner | JeffM2501: no luck |
| 00:53.18 | JeffM2501 | still 404 or won't open? |
| 00:53.23 | learner | i.e. got it, but no luck opening |
| 00:53.26 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:53.29 | JeffM2501 | thanks for trying |
| 00:53.37 | JeffM2501 | you guys coming out here for sigraph again soon? |
| 00:54.02 | learner | yeah, just working through the reservations today |
| 00:54.15 | RPG_ | flagThatGotMe = killerPlayer->getFlag(); |
| 00:54.28 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.28 | learner | we're either rather late or it's going to be huge attendance.. half the hotels are booked full and we're still 80 days out |
| 00:54.53 | JeffM2501 | WOW |
| 00:55.10 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, make sure flagThatGotMe is a flag pointer |
| 00:55.16 | JeffM2501 | just like the old one that you used |
| 00:55.24 | RPG_ | Flag flagThatGotMe = killerPlayer->getFlag(); |
| 00:55.25 | JeffM2501 | and you STILL have to call label on it |
| 00:55.33 | JeffM2501 | Flag* |
| 00:55.40 | JeffM2501 | do you even know C? |
| 00:55.46 | learner | hehe |
| 00:55.59 | RPG_ | I know how to make a variable, then I stopped reading the online tutorial |
| 00:56.05 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 00:56.06 | learner | the answer would be "no, sir" |
| 00:56.10 | JeffM2501 | what file are you in? |
| 00:56.12 | RPG_ | and signed up for a class next year :) |
| 00:56.13 | JeffM2501 | I'll just do it for you |
| 00:56.15 | JeffM2501 | it'll be faster |
| 00:56.20 | RPG_ | playing.cxx |
| 00:56.29 | JeffM2501 | CVS or 2.0.2 |
| 00:56.30 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 00:56.38 | learner | JeffM2501: i don't know C either, can you write some code for me? |
| 00:56.47 | RPG_ | CVS, but it hasn't been update in awhile |
| 00:56.57 | JeffM2501 | learner, yes, but you won't like it :) |
| 00:57.06 | learner | depends what she looks like :) |
| 00:57.06 | JeffM2501 | and I allready did |
| 00:57.07 | RPG_ | i needed a password today to get onto CVS, so it wouldn't update |
| 00:57.12 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, what line? |
| 00:57.37 | RPG_ | 3222 |
| 00:57.43 | JeffM2501 | learner, the the kids old enough to drink yet? |
| 00:58.11 | RPG_ | switched blowedUpNotice from ")" to ") with " |
| 00:58.26 | RPG_ | then tried to add the flag name of the killer |
| 00:58.43 | JeffM2501 | you want it after the ) or before? |
| 00:59.06 | learner | JeffM2501: sure are, though rumor has it scanline might be failing attendance |
| 00:59.07 | RPG_ | after |
| 00:59.19 | RPG_ | so it goes got shot by player (TEAM) with (FLAG) |
| 00:59.34 | RPG_ | the ending ) ends the TEAM part |
| 00:59.45 | RPG_ | on line 3222 |
| 01:00.39 | JeffM2501 | noooooo not scanline? |
| 01:00.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: add in flag that caps ya when you die. |
| 01:01.07 | learner | something about a sillyl job starting that same week |
| 01:01.08 | JeffM2501 | what is the world coming too when micah can't attend a graphics confrence |
| 01:01.24 | JeffM2501 | why would he take a silly job |
| 01:01.29 | learner | should push it back until the week after imo |
| 01:01.31 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, there ya go |
| 01:01.33 | JeffM2501 | one line change |
| 01:01.49 | learner | and pay for him to go to siggraph ;) |
| 01:02.07 | JeffM2501 | who'd he get the silly job with? |
| 01:02.12 | Ice_Wewe | hey all |
| 01:02.23 | Ice_Wewe | Jeff, how is are the dev fixes coming? |
| 01:02.25 | RPG_ | woah is it committed to CVS? |
| 01:02.26 | learner | JeffM2501: you see the new ps3 tech videos? |
| 01:02.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:02.43 | learner | pretty amazing |
| 01:02.44 | JeffM2501 | the games coming out of the 3 new ones will be very nice |
| 01:02.47 | trepan | MsgKilled contains the the flag type in 2.0.x, around playing.cxx/2100 |
| 01:02.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:02.51 | Ice_Wewe | what does it look like? |
| 01:02.57 | learner | i might just have to buy that baby |
| 01:03.12 | JeffM2501 | I'll wait till they anounce games |
| 01:03.14 | trepan | the killer may not have the same flag anymore... |
| 01:03.26 | JeffM2501 | trepan, this is true |
| 01:03.31 | JeffM2501 | but it's what the boy asked for |
| 01:03.48 | RPG_ | it shows the flag at the time you were shot |
| 01:03.52 | RPG_ | which makes it effective |
| 01:03.54 | JeffM2501 | I would have thought that they would have fully thought thru there feature |
| 01:04.03 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, NO it does not |
| 01:04.11 | RPG_ | oh it doesnt? |
| 01:04.16 | JeffM2501 | what you were doing was geting that players CURRENT flag |
| 01:04.24 | JeffM2501 | not the shot type that killed you |
| 01:04.28 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, how are the bug fixes coming? |
| 01:04.37 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, huh? |
| 01:04.51 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, the connection errors, and such |
| 01:04.55 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 01:05.04 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, don't tell me you don't know?! |
| 01:05.10 | RPG_ | At least you don't have to quickly turn your eyes and try to match the person who shot you with his flag on the scoreboard... that takes logner thatn looking at the Got Shot By message |
| 01:05.20 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, and don't say "Ok I wont tell you" |
| 01:05.35 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, why would you asume I know anything about anything? and that I'm activly working on it? |
| 01:06.08 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, I assumed that you knew that there were problems and knew how long it will take to fix them. |
| 01:06.12 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, but they may not have that flag anymore |
| 01:06.28 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, what problems? there are many |
| 01:06.50 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, the new CVS versions not being able to connect to the list server and global login server |
| 01:07.01 | JeffM2501 | CVS is unstable |
| 01:07.12 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, the stable version does it too |
| 01:07.12 | JeffM2501 | last I heard tupone was working on it all |
| 01:07.19 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.2 ? |
| 01:07.24 | JeffM2501 | it works for me |
| 01:07.31 | JeffM2501 | works for MANY people |
| 01:07.34 | Ice_Wewe | it doesn't work |
| 01:07.37 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 01:07.41 | Ice_Wewe | what OS are you running? |
| 01:07.43 | RPG_ | lol... at least your CVS works! |
| 01:07.47 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 01:07.49 | JeffM2501 | windows, linux, and OSX |
| 01:08.08 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, I use SSH it is a difrent CVS then anon |
| 01:08.09 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, a lot of people are experiencing problems with the CVS versions |
| 01:08.17 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, and a lot of people are using it |
| 01:08.26 | JeffM2501 | not syaing there may not be problems |
| 01:08.29 | RPG_ | i use annoymous CVS and it says I need a password |
| 01:08.34 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think it's a general one |
| 01:08.41 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, probalby SF messing with it |
| 01:08.47 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, are you behind a proxy? |
| 01:08.48 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501, I was only wondering what you were planning on doing about it |
| 01:08.50 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 01:08.55 | RPG_ | not even the web based CVS looker works so it prob. is SF |
| 01:08.58 | Ice_Wewe | Network Addr. Server |
| 01:09.00 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, as far as I know, noone is working on such a problem |
| 01:09.09 | Ice_Wewe | well there is one |
| 01:09.13 | JeffM2501 | what's the bug id in SF? |
| 01:09.31 | JeffM2501 | and how do we dupicate it? |
| 01:09.41 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (~G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:09.49 | Ice_Wewe | http://pastebin.ca/11949?srch=bzflag%26d%26d%26d |
| 01:10.08 | Ice_Wewe | i don't know what the bug ID is, here is my debug output |
| 01:10.26 | JeffM2501 | it's a pastebin of HTML? |
| 01:10.30 | JeffM2501 | how am I to read that? |
| 01:10.32 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 01:10.33 | JeffM2501 | wtf? |
| 01:10.34 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:10.37 | Ice_Wewe | its a pastebin file |
| 01:10.43 | JeffM2501 | what is it? |
| 01:10.49 | Ice_Wewe | it is a copy and paste debug output from bzflag |
| 01:10.50 | JeffM2501 | why can't you just link to the SF bug report? |
| 01:10.54 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 01:10.57 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 01:11.00 | Ice_Wewe | how do I do that? |
| 01:11.11 | JeffM2501 | a debug report is only realy valid on the system it came from |
| 01:11.19 | JeffM2501 | is there even a SF bug for this thing? |
| 01:11.22 | JeffM2501 | who's all had it? |
| 01:11.22 | Ice_Wewe | I'm on the system it came from |
| 01:11.23 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/man/bzw.5s: na |
| 01:11.29 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, but I AM not |
| 01:11.34 | JeffM2501 | so giving it to me is pointless |
| 01:11.38 | JeffM2501 | you are crashing? |
| 01:11.47 | Ice_Wewe | well no |
| 01:11.54 | JeffM2501 | then what is the "debug" report from? |
| 01:11.58 | Ice_Wewe | it wont connect to the list server or global login serer |
| 01:11.58 | JeffM2501 | are you running a debug build? |
| 01:12.01 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 01:12.07 | Ice_Wewe | I just did bzflag -d -d -d -d |
| 01:12.13 | JeffM2501 | ohh that's nothing |
| 01:12.14 | Ice_Wewe | and then pastebined the output |
| 01:12.21 | JeffM2501 | what is your list server set to? |
| 01:12.24 | JeffM2501 | in your config? |
| 01:12.26 | Ice_Wewe | ok, well then how do I make a debug version? |
| 01:12.36 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 01:12.46 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@adsl-68-77-20-189.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 01:12.50 | Ice_Wewe | Linux i686 |
| 01:13.14 | JeffM2501 | you using a binary or build yourself? |
| 01:13.20 | Ice_Wewe | 2nd one |
| 01:13.23 | JeffM2501 | but first what is your conifg have your list server as? |
| 01:13.25 | Ice_Wewe | CVS build |
| 01:13.33 | JeffM2501 | don't use CVS |
| 01:13.37 | JeffM2501 | its unstable |
| 01:13.38 | Ice_Wewe | my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 01:13.43 | JeffM2501 | aka the list server stuff is changing |
| 01:13.50 | Ice_Wewe | to what? |
| 01:13.55 | JeffM2501 | libcurl |
| 01:14.00 | Ice_Wewe | I have libcurl |
| 01:14.03 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:14.09 | Ice_Wewe | newest stable version |
| 01:14.15 | JeffM2501 | but the code fro using libcurl for the list server is untested |
| 01:14.23 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 01:14.24 | JeffM2501 | it may fail |
| 01:14.27 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 01:14.31 | JeffM2501 | does 2.0.2 fail for you? |
| 01:14.35 | Ice_Wewe | yes |
| 01:14.52 | Ice_Wewe | 2.0.0 works fine on my OS X |
| 01:14.55 | JeffM2501 | put :81 after the .org in your config for the list server and remove the # on the line |
| 01:15.02 | JeffM2501 | then run 2.0.2 |
| 01:15.08 | JeffM2501 | lets see what that does for ya |
| 01:15.08 | Ice_Wewe | where is the file? |
| 01:15.15 | JeffM2501 | ~/.bzf |
| 01:15.26 | Ice_Wewe | 2.0? |
| 01:15.30 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 01:15.56 | JeffM2501 | who's your ISP? |
| 01:16.06 | Ice_Wewe | Storm.ca |
| 01:16.13 | JeffM2501 | never heard of em |
| 01:16.14 | Ice_Wewe | and no, it didn't work |
| 01:16.23 | JeffM2501 | what error did it give you? |
| 01:16.34 | Ice_Wewe | "Can't talk with list server" |
| 01:16.51 | Ice_Wewe | I didn't run it in debug |
| 01:16.51 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:17.00 | JeffM2501 | that means that we could not even GET to the thing |
| 01:17.08 | JeffM2501 | your not blocking outgoing port 81 are you? |
| 01:17.09 | Ice_Wewe | I can ping it |
| 01:17.12 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 01:17.19 | JeffM2501 | ping is ICMP not TCP or HTTP |
| 01:17.23 | Ice_Wewe | it works fine on 2.0.0 on a comp on the same LAN |
| 01:17.28 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 01:17.45 | JeffM2501 | well I'd report it on SF as a bug and I'm sure tupone will look at it before the next release |
| 01:17.53 | JeffM2501 | he's the one changing all that around |
| 01:17.56 | JeffM2501 | to make it suck less |
| 01:18.02 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 01:18.17 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501 |
| 01:18.21 | JeffM2501 | just so you know, there isn't anyone realy "responsible" for bugs |
| 01:18.22 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka_ (~Doug@adsl-210-150-145.sdf.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:18.26 | Ice_Wewe | what is the Ip addr. of the lsit server? |
| 01:18.29 | JeffM2501 | it's kind of a code what you want |
| 01:18.38 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup my.bzflag.org |
| 01:18.41 | JeffM2501 | that |
| 01:19.06 | JeffM2501 | it's posible that your ADNS dosn't work |
| 01:19.08 | JeffM2501 | that would usck |
| 01:19.09 | Ice_Wewe | haha, works |
| 01:19.17 | JeffM2501 | then your adns lib is busted |
| 01:19.21 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 01:19.22 | JeffM2501 | what distro? |
| 01:19.37 | Ice_Wewe | I just changed the my.bzflag.org to 69.28.129.167 |
| 01:19.43 | Ice_Wewe | Fedora Core 3 (not vanilla) |
| 01:19.50 | JeffM2501 | that means that what failed in bzflag is the ADNS lookup |
| 01:19.53 | Ice_Wewe | our DNS has been acting up, we have a DNS server |
| 01:20.03 | Ice_Wewe | this comp doesn't do its own DNS |
| 01:20.12 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mater |
| 01:20.15 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 01:20.24 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has to have some code that asks the sytem to do a DNS lookup |
| 01:20.26 | Ice_Wewe | I don't think I even have adns |
| 01:20.35 | JeffM2501 | your system ether does it itself or sends it to a server |
| 01:20.42 | JeffM2501 | I'd still report it |
| 01:20.49 | JeffM2501 | the DNS lookup is what is failing |
| 01:21.08 | JeffM2501 | that is also some stuff that changed recently |
| 01:21.15 | Ice_Wewe | internal.h:579: error: previous declaration of 'adns__parse_domain' was here |
| 01:21.15 | Ice_Wewe | parse.c:118: error: conflicting types for 'adns__parse_domain' |
| 01:21.15 | Ice_Wewe | internal.h:579: error: previous declaration of 'adns__parse_domain' was here |
| 01:21.15 | Ice_Wewe | make[1]: *** [parse.o] Error 1 |
| 01:21.16 | Ice_Wewe | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/linux/adns-1.1/src' |
| 01:21.18 | Ice_Wewe | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 01:24.30 | JeffM2501 | that's not in our code |
| 01:29.04 | Ice_Wewe | bye |
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| 02:38.01 | Grumbler | grumbler just did a acompile on debian sarge this afternoon with no errors on bzadmin/bzfs |
| 02:38.07 | Grumbler | ? |
| 02:38.12 | Grumbler | guess, i am grumbler |
| 02:38.23 | Grumbler | talking in the third person can be killer |
| 02:38.33 | Grumbler | then again, no one is here to hear |
| 02:38.42 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:44.10 | orchid | what do people think about making Sheild proportanal to shot count? a configurable sheild, default 1, and higher if you like, on 10 shot servers its not much use really |
| 02:46.17 | brlcad | sounds like a good change to me. still configurable, just changing the default |
| 02:47.03 | brlcad | could even go for half the max shot count, either way |
| 02:47.04 | orchid | well I dont think 10 shot servers are going away, and poor sheild is not really effective anymore |
| 02:47.25 | orchid | good evening brlcad, btw |
| 02:48.09 | brlcad | hrmm.. now where did that window go.. |
| 03:10.02 | Grumbler | nice idea |
| 03:13.20 | Grumbler | .....does that imply that orchid had finished the studies.. |
| 03:15.07 | orchid | no, I have started another book, so will be busy |
| 03:15.51 | brlcad | but you did finish.. no? |
| 03:16.02 | orchid | I'm incresingly suspicious that I have been tricked also, and one book leads to another and another |
| 03:16.25 | orchid | yes I finished the first one |
| 03:17.21 | orchid | hmm, yes and I'm a geek now I suppose :-\ |
| 03:17.54 | brlcad | not that i've read any of them to the level you read yours.. |
| 03:18.14 | brlcad | heh.. "geek now" .. like you weren't before |
| 03:19.06 | Grumbler | funny, i heard the same thing.........but i was looking at my rowing machine....hmmm |
| 03:19.31 | purple_cow | having a lot of books is good, not bad! |
| 03:19.49 | purple_cow | though i suppose it can be a burden on a limited income ;) |
| 03:20.48 | JeffM2501 | ugly.. ugly code by non programers making brain hurt........ |
| 03:21.28 | orchid | purple_cow: I bought an opengl book today for gods sakes |
| 03:21.37 | brlcad | Grumbler: ooh ooh.. perchance a concept2 ? |
| 03:21.39 | JeffM2501 | ooooo cool |
| 03:21.48 | purple_cow | orchid: yay! |
| 03:21.55 | JeffM2501 | then you can become the lead engine architect on opencombat |
| 03:22.06 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:22.16 | Grumbler | brlcad, schwinn windrigger |
| 03:22.31 | orchid | JeffM2501: if you want a game where a cube rotates, yes sure |
| 03:22.42 | JeffM2501 | phear the cube |
| 03:22.42 | Grumbler | hah... |
| 03:22.45 | JeffM2501 | see how it rotates |
| 03:22.47 | JeffM2501 | taunting you |
| 03:22.50 | JeffM2501 | mercelesly |
| 03:22.54 | brlcad | Grumbler, ah, hmm. not bad |
| 03:23.01 | JeffM2501 | what are it's deep dark plans?!!!? |
| 03:23.27 | brlcad | Grumbler, how's it's resistance? |
| 03:23.41 | trepan | resistance is futile |
| 03:23.42 | Grumbler | brlcad, good, a little less than water |
| 03:24.08 | brlcad | how does the machine provide it? flywheel against wind like the concept? |
| 03:24.32 | Grumbler | brlcad, yep....with a little lcd where you race against the machine |
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| 03:24.57 | brlcad | hard to imagine the flywheel in that small a front |
| 03:25.24 | purple_cow | orchid: computers are a hard interest because there's such a huge amount of stuff to learn about so many things... |
| 03:25.27 | Grumbler | brlcad, its there......and it gets hard to spin after 20 minutes |
| 03:25.40 | brlcad | you row/rowed crew? |
| 03:26.07 | orchid | purple_cow: yeah, its too easy to run off on a tangent |
| 03:26.14 | Grumbler | brlcad, no....got into the machines in college, havent really quit......of course that doesnt explain the 50lbs put on since college |
| 03:26.22 | purple_cow | the tangents are the fun part! |
| 03:26.30 | purple_cow | it's just too easy to run off on too many tangents at once :) |
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| 03:26.55 | orchid | heh |
| 03:27.02 | brlcad | Grumbler, hehe, well if you're looking to unload it to someone.. I could be the next sucker in line |
| 03:27.30 | brlcad | i love rowing, favorite gym exercise outside of lifting |
| 03:28.02 | Grumbler | brlcad, nope.........what i meant by suckker, is that you do 500m and you think this isnt so bad, then 1000m....then you notice you are in a little pain, then 1500m, then more pain....etc... |
| 03:28.15 | brlcad | ahhh :) |
| 03:28.28 | Grumbler | .....and at about 4000m my body begins to rebel |
| 03:28.47 | purple_cow | it's a good kind of pain, though |
| 03:28.52 | brlcad | very good |
| 03:28.57 | Grumbler | yeah, like coding :) |
| 03:30.04 | brlcad | Grumbler, regular workouts through training consisted of 60 minutes at 90% maximum sustainable capacity .. that turns into one long painful hell at that intensity |
| 03:30.06 | Grumbler | the first hello world isnt so bad, then sprintf, then functions, then variables......next thing you know you are re-writing the hard drive with self modifying code and the hardware begnins to rebel |
| 03:30.21 | brlcad | these days, I'm happy to even do 20 minutes at 90% |
| 03:30.31 | Grumbler | ouch |
| 03:30.53 | Grumbler | yeah, i am only good for 20-25...then i do a little(very little) lifting for the next 40 mintues |
| 03:31.05 | brlcad | or a nice even 2000 so it's distance based and competition length |
| 03:32.01 | Grumbler | ouch, i cant really imagine 60 minutes..... |
| 03:32.29 | brlcad | that was several times a week, endurance training for 10k races |
| 03:33.01 | brlcad | a 30 min race at 100% feels a lot like that |
| 03:33.06 | Grumbler | heh |
| 03:33.43 | Grumbler | i cant run much, so the rowing comes in handy.....it has improved my golf game over the years |
| 03:33.57 | Grumbler | when was t he last race you ran? |
| 03:34.17 | brlcad | mm.. about 6-7 years ago |
| 03:34.37 | Grumbler | did you win and give up :) |
| 03:35.42 | brlcad | hmm.. my very last race was a 4-man sweep, made it to finals but came in 2nd I believe -- pittsburg invitational |
| 03:37.00 | brlcad | i've been thinking about joining the baltimore rowing club, it'd only be a 30-40 min drive to the boathouse from here |
| 03:37.42 | Grumbler | i have tried the...hmm, i think t hey are called skulling, boats......nasty stability |
| 03:37.49 | brlcad | i think there's a club 15 min north too off the susquehanna |
| 03:38.05 | Grumbler | can yo uget up that early in the morning? |
| 03:38.10 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, what doth you think of making it so that world weps can be trigerd on flag capture events? |
| 03:38.11 | brlcad | hehe, not nasty.. just takes some getting used to ;) |
| 03:38.57 | brlcad | JeffM2501, sounds like a good idea |
| 03:38.58 | Grumbler | you could have celebration SW and L displays |
| 03:39.16 | JeffM2501 | or anti camper shockwaves |
| 03:39.35 | brlcad | or maybe make it possible to tie "game over" events to captures and tie a map rotation to the game over event |
| 03:39.39 | JeffM2501 | binaryspike was working on a hardcoded SW |
| 03:40.02 | JeffM2501 | was thinking that doing as WW events is cleaner ( he's asking me to apply his "patch' ) |
| 03:40.19 | JeffM2501 | it's a server only change so it should not mater much |
| 03:40.36 | brlcad | basically kills everyone with a SW and resets the map? |
| 03:40.46 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't reset the map |
| 03:40.47 | brlcad | how do they get the new map? |
| 03:40.48 | brlcad | ahh |
| 03:40.57 | JeffM2501 | just fires a sw at the base coordinates |
| 03:41.29 | jpa- | mroning |
| 03:41.49 | orchid | hello |
| 03:41.56 | Thumper_ | morning jpa |
| 03:42.11 | Grumbler | morning jpa- |
| 03:42.14 | jpa- | hi orchid |
| 03:42.17 | brlcad | Grumbler: skulling is when you have an oar to your left and right, sweeping is when there's only one oar and at least 2-men |
| 03:42.24 | brlcad | the boat itself is called a shell |
| 03:42.34 | jpa- | bah too many, i'm too tired to type you all :) |
| 03:42.43 | brlcad | morning jpa- :P |
| 03:42.51 | Grumbler | tired, you just got up |
| 03:43.08 | jpa- | that is why i am tired.. |
| 03:43.19 | orchid | jpa-: isnt it like 6:45am for you? |
| 03:43.28 | Grumbler | brlcad, well, if you try it let me know and i will cheer |
| 03:43.32 | brlcad | didn't get enough sleep? |
| 03:43.46 | jpa- | orchid: yes |
| 03:43.49 | brlcad | Grumbler: hehe |
| 03:44.07 | jpa- | enough sleep.. not enough coffee (yet) |
| 03:44.07 | brlcad | you're in ideal location for crew.. |
| 03:44.23 | brlcad | pseudo ideal |
| 03:44.45 | brlcad | i suppose a nice big calm reservoir with no wind and no current is "ideal" |
| 03:46.15 | brlcad | there is a baltimore invitational that's started to gain popularity |
| 03:49.13 | Grumbler | yeah, i can walk 100m or so down to the cox neck creek......of course, i would have to ignore the people who own the property |
| 03:49.37 | Grumbler | 100 might be wrong...maybe 250 |
| 03:50.13 | brlcad | hmm.. a bit of a hike, but doable |
| 03:50.20 | brlcad | nobody on the island rows crew? |
| 03:50.33 | JeffM2501 | ooo it's been so long since I broke a linux build :) |
| 03:50.42 | Grumbler | probably, i have seen the cadets rowing down the severn |
| 03:51.07 | Grumbler | ....and i know there is a kayaking club in annapols....all they do is drink though ;) |
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| 03:51.58 | brlcad | ahh, that's right.. there is the annapolis boathouse. forgot about them |
| 03:53.59 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): place to register and check for global events ( server side triggers ) |
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| 05:01.07 | JeffM2501 | anyone know what the shotID is used for on a world wep? |
| 05:01.17 | JeffM2501 | and do they have to be unique? |
| 05:02.34 | SportChick | JeffM2501: any idea why (periodically) if I try to run the bzflag hack you built me, it won't connect to a server? |
| 05:02.47 | SportChick | JeffM2501: it only seems to happen if I've been online for a while |
| 05:04.18 | JeffM2501 | should have nothing to do with it |
| 05:04.30 | JeffM2501 | probably just normal net wierdness |
| 05:04.49 | JeffM2501 | your jitter problem was a problem with the timer |
| 05:04.53 | JeffM2501 | not the network code |
| 05:17.25 | JeffM2501 | good lord DTRemenak who turned on warnings as errors in the projects?!!!??!?! |
| 05:17.57 | JeffM2501 | any reason for it? |
| 05:18.10 | DTRemenak | learner needs to decide if he's going to keep the timekeeper-as-doubles change or not |
| 05:18.22 | JeffM2501 | he NEVER builds windows |
| 05:18.22 | DTRemenak | closer match with the nixies |
| 05:18.33 | JeffM2501 | so how would tha do anyting other then pisss us off :) |
| 05:18.55 | DTRemenak | if you want to turn it back off you can |
| 05:18.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm fixing the warnings |
| 05:19.01 | JeffM2501 | and checking it in |
| 05:19.11 | JeffM2501 | having a debug project that is unbuildable is stupid |
| 05:19.21 | DTRemenak | how are you fixing them...by changing bzflag or by changing timekeeper? that's what learner needs to decide |
| 05:19.31 | JeffM2501 | casting |
| 05:19.36 | JeffM2501 | keeping time as a double is good thing |
| 05:19.45 | DTRemenak | if you say so :) |
| 05:20.01 | JeffM2501 | for those of us that have valid QPFs |
| 05:20.35 | JeffM2501 | I allmost never ever ever build release |
| 05:20.42 | JeffM2501 | so it makes me unbuildable |
| 05:21.19 | JeffM2501 | and i'll get back at him |
| 05:21.29 | JeffM2501 | I'll be checking in a bunch of "my" formated code :) |
| 05:21.56 | JeffM2501 | capita WS should have a field day :) |
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| 05:23.17 | JeffM2501 | oh and DTRemenak what do you think of these? |
| 05:23.19 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3831&sid=43e7c5e7f67151489150619868411982 |
| 05:23.51 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 05:24.10 | Optical-Delusion | HI! it took me four hours but i think i got a server running under osx |
| 05:24.22 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:24.54 | Optical-Delusion | it's not listed publicly, im gonna have to talk to someone tomorrow |
| 05:25.16 | Optical-Delusion | sir pant wrote a mac server tutoriol for me that helped alot |
| 05:25.21 | JeffM2501 | you behind a firewall or router? |
| 05:25.29 | Optical-Delusion | its on the mofo forum |
| 05:25.48 | Optical-Delusion | on my mac- firewall that loads at startup |
| 05:25.49 | JeffM2501 | I know he sent it to me |
| 05:26.02 | Optical-Delusion | no additional firewall virus protection |
| 05:26.12 | JeffM2501 | can people from the net get to your server? |
| 05:26.17 | JeffM2501 | or just people on the lan? |
| 05:26.31 | Optical-Delusion | i was gonna try on my windoze machine right now |
| 05:26.40 | Optical-Delusion | but its still on the same lan |
| 05:26.49 | Optical-Delusion | will that make a diff? |
| 05:26.56 | JeffM2501 | it can |
| 05:27.03 | Optical-Delusion | ill try brb |
| 05:27.06 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a DLS/Cable router? |
| 05:27.11 | Optical-Delusion | dsl |
| 05:27.13 | JeffM2501 | that shares your net connection? |
| 05:27.18 | JeffM2501 | but do you have a ROUTER |
| 05:27.19 | Optical-Delusion | yes |
| 05:27.20 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 05:27.24 | Optical-Delusion | yes |
| 05:27.35 | JeffM2501 | you have to tell that to send port 5154 to your mac |
| 05:27.47 | JeffM2501 | before the public server or anyone outside your house can see the server |
| 05:27.58 | Optical-Delusion | the mac holds the router, the windoze is wireless |
| 05:28.02 | Optical-Delusion | ok i c |
| 05:28.13 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mater what is connected where |
| 05:28.18 | JeffM2501 | it's an IP/port map |
| 05:28.23 | Optical-Delusion | ok wait pleez |
| 05:28.28 | JeffM2501 | by default NAT routers block all external trafic |
| 05:29.28 | Optical-Delusion | nah its not theere but you knew that |
| 05:29.45 | Optical-Delusion | i gotta send 5154 where? |
| 05:29.54 | JeffM2501 | to your mac |
| 05:30.02 | JeffM2501 | the router needs to know what LAN ip to route to |
| 05:30.14 | JeffM2501 | also if your mac is blocking 5154 on it's firewall you need to open that too |
| 05:30.32 | Optical-Delusion | i knew this would be tough but the learning curve is steep |
| 05:30.40 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 05:30.45 | JeffM2501 | it's just simple networking |
| 05:31.01 | Optical-Delusion | every time i try something theres something else to learn |
| 05:31.08 | Optical-Delusion | ill get over it |
| 05:31.31 | Optical-Delusion | ill get back to u |
| 05:31.33 | JeffM2501 | well yeah you should know something about how your basic computer and network work before running a public internet service |
| 05:37.54 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (16 files): warnings as errors jack my chesse. |
| 05:39.40 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/ (ares_process.c ares_search.c windows_port.c): double doube toil and trouble, fire burns and warnings bubble |
| 05:42.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:42.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: first shot at event driven world weapons. ( on flag cap ) |
| 05:42.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add world event manager for global event keeping |
| 05:42.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add triger options to world weps |
| 05:42.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add event handaling in flag cap code |
| 05:42.30 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: clean up world wep "fire" code so it can be used by event trigerd weaps. |
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| 06:02.04 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog TODO): world weap events todo and credits. |
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| 06:13.46 | Pimpi | nice JeffM2501 :) |
| 06:14.44 | _Manu_ | good morning/night :) |
| 06:14.56 | Pimpi | hi _Manu_ |
| 06:27.01 | JeffM2501 | it's untested |
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| 08:01.58 | fabianne | ill take to the candy shop ... keep goin till you hit the spot... |
| 08:02.09 | fabianne | >_< i wonder about music sometimes. |
| 08:02.15 | fabianne | and Gmorning. |
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| 10:19.51 | ufoz | hi all. |
| 10:20.56 | ufoz | first, i want to thanks for bzflag, and that it supports that many platform |
| 10:21.48 | ufoz | and now, my problem ;) i use ubuntu, the stabel version of bzflag is around 1.x that is to old i think. idecided to compile it. it works. but i only have the server version. no client. could anybody give me a tip ? |
| 10:22.30 | Tupone | have you got sdl devel ? |
| 10:23.24 | ufoz | i read something at the ond of configuer or make, cant remember. there was something about sdl, and that it is not installed |
| 10:23.35 | ufoz | i will check that |
| 10:23.55 | Tupone | you need also openGL development |
| 10:24.06 | Tupone | and compiler, autotools ... |
| 10:24.53 | ufoz | do i need libsdl1.2-dev ? |
| 10:26.17 | Tupone | yeah |
| 10:27.49 | ufoz | normaly i use gentoo, there it worked just fine. i love the emerge system. but here, i have a laptop, so i wanted to try out ubuntu. it is very user friendly, but not always up to date |
| 10:27.52 | ufoz | as gentoo |
| 10:28.57 | Tupone | I have gentoo in the laptop too |
| 10:29.16 | Tupone | x86_64 kernel |
| 10:29.49 | ufoz | okay, that is a powrfull laptop. what is the name of this cpu ? |
| 10:32.44 | ufoz | ah, no configure showed me, that sdl lis supported and that the client will also be compiled |
| 10:32.51 | ufoz | big thanks tupone |
| 10:34.54 | menotume | ~Tupone++ |
| 10:34.55 | menotume | :) |
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| 12:31.43 | Grumbler | g'day |
| 12:33.08 | brlcad | g'day |
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| 13:28.28 | jpa- | g'day |
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| 13:36.56 | Pimpinella | has anyone experience with Radeon 9250 and linux? |
| 13:37.06 | jpa- | only 9000 |
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| 13:39.21 | Pimpinella | 128 MB AGP fanless 34.90 Euro, sounds nice |
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| 13:42.23 | Pimpinella | wb _Manu_ |
| 13:42.33 | _Manu_ | hi Pimpinella! |
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| 13:58.34 | fabianne | manu manu |
| 14:00.31 | jpa- | fabifabi |
| 14:01.09 | fabianne | .jp .jp |
| 14:02.08 | _Manu_ | fabianne, fabianne |
| 14:02.20 | fabianne | como vas? |
| 14:02.28 | _Manu_ | bien :) |
| 14:13.09 | Tupone | como como ? |
| 14:14.12 | Birdie | thx for your reply in the gu forum sportchick |
| 14:14.19 | Birdie | ~sportchick ++ |
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| 14:23.55 | SportChick | Birdie: no problem |
| 14:24.06 | SportChick | that guy has been a pain everywhere he goes |
| 14:25.51 | Birdie | i silenced him allready with 3 of his nicks because he keeps being annoying |
| 14:26.05 | SportChick | he's a complete pain |
| 14:26.13 | Birdie | he asks everywhere to be cop |
| 14:26.23 | Birdie | even on hepcat on the forum, when he is banned on the server:) |
| 14:26.25 | SportChick | and yet he can't seem to abide byt he rules |
| 14:26.29 | SportChick | yup |
| 14:26.50 | BearPerson | "Well, I can't give you cop, but what about LOCAL.NOJOIN?" ;-) |
| 14:27.02 | Birdie | heheh |
| 14:27.07 | SportChick | tho, I bet if you asked him, he doesn't wanna be a COP - he wants to be an ADMIN (aka KING OF THE WORLD) |
| 14:27.30 | Birdie | i bet if you make him admin, your server is down the first hour |
| 14:27.43 | SportChick | hour?! I'd bet it'd be down in the first 10 minutes |
| 14:27.50 | Birdie | i think no one wants to test that?:) |
| 14:28.16 | SportChick | well, actually, he's probably not that SMART - it'd take him a day or so to figure out how to use the password - then it would be down |
| 14:28.49 | BearPerson | hmm... I doubt the not cop, but admin thing |
| 14:29.05 | BearPerson | ssh root access is what he's really after ;-) |
| 14:30.48 | jpa- | Reported by Saturn: i wanna to become a cop on this server |
| 14:30.53 | jpa- | is this him too? :) |
| 14:30.55 | SportChick | yes |
| 14:31.23 | SportChick | jpa-: http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?showtopic=10988 |
| 14:32.25 | Birdie | saturn = yugi = death valley = frog of war |
| 14:32.32 | Birdie | "only" nicks i know from him |
| 14:32.56 | BearPerson | yugi almost sounds like that californian college guy... but I bet that wasn't him... |
| 14:33.02 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.06 | BearPerson | the guy that wrote the EndShot cheat |
| 14:33.13 | jpa- | [SERVER->] Group add succesfull |
| 14:33.22 | BearPerson | jpa-, it would be /setgroup ;-) |
| 14:33.35 | jpa- | oh bah, too long without admining :) |
| 14:35.19 | Birdie | he hasnt asked it on secret place yet?:( |
| 14:35.23 | Birdie | ;) |
| 14:38.48 | SportChick | birdie, he's been banned on secretplace so long I have no idea |
| 14:39.50 | SportChick | btw, there was a guy on with the name "Automatic Shotgun" last night and again today who was using the flying without wings cheat - keep an eye out for him, he was making the rounds |
| 14:40.26 | Grumbler | aahhahhh....i thought i saw tank do that the other day....so there is a cheat out there that does that |
| 14:40.41 | BearPerson | I guess it's way easy |
| 14:40.55 | BearPerson | comment out one or two checks in the client |
| 14:41.49 | BearPerson | if (myTank->Flag.Type == Flags::Wings) and if (WingJumps <= bzdb.eval("MaxWingJumps")) or whatever they're called and work |
| 14:41.51 | Grumbler | sounds like there needs to be a server check .....not quite sure how you would do t hat off the top of my head though |
| 14:41.59 | SportChick | grumbler - yes |
| 14:42.08 | BearPerson | I was thinking about making a modded client that checks |
| 14:42.10 | SportChick | although I recommend checking lag first - this guy had none |
| 14:42.21 | BearPerson | anti-cheating client for admins |
| 14:43.01 | Grumbler | no, this was not a lag situation....which btw, is getting discouraging on sp.......something about the late night players that drives my lag nuts |
| 14:43.54 | BearPerson | maybe it's the late night leechers on your ISP |
| 14:45.11 | Grumbler | nah....my lag is still good, and i have check many things.......it looks like its when certain players join |
| 14:45.38 | BearPerson | strange |
| 14:45.49 | SportChick | CERTAIN players? any idea who? |
| 14:45.51 | BearPerson | can you peek at the server logs at those times? |
| 14:46.03 | Grumbler | nope, no ability to do that |
| 14:46.07 | SportChick | I can |
| 14:46.25 | BearPerson | sounds like we have a plan |
| 14:46.31 | SportChick | but I need some time stamps to look for grumbler |
| 14:46.32 | Grumbler | I would like to name names.....but, I am holding back till I am ABSOLUTELY certain. |
| 14:47.06 | BearPerson | well, there's no hurt just knowing them to grep the logs |
| 14:47.09 | Grumbler | ......trying to avoid creating a bunch of ill will......more than normal for me |
| 14:47.17 | BearPerson | I'm sure we won't take any action until we're certain |
| 14:47.34 | Grumbler | true |
| 14:47.34 | SportChick | Grumbler: understood, but will you pm me with a couple of names so I can look for them in the logs and see if anything is obvious |
| 14:48.01 | jpa- | same ip for them would tell much.. |
| 14:49.20 | BearPerson | or at least same ISP |
| 14:49.48 | jpa- | while.. it could be some strange bug |
| 14:50.31 | Grumbler | i think it is more a matter of lag on local clients impacting the entire field |
| 14:51.08 | Grumbler | ....where as, in the past, it only impacted that player |
| 14:51.34 | BearPerson | hmm... |
| 14:52.00 | BearPerson | I don't think the server locks anywhere... but I could be wrong |
| 14:53.21 | BearPerson | we could test that theory... anyone able to provoke a nice monster lag by filling up bandwidth? ;-) |
| 14:54.38 | menotume | is that the spiralzone map ? |
| 14:54.56 | bryjen | sp is well connected. i'd imagine it'd take some effort to overwhelm it. |
| 14:55.47 | Thumper_ | well if it's a bug related to slow response from the clients that affect everyone then the server bandwidth still wouldn't be maxed |
| 14:55.52 | Thumper_ | but I don't know how that would work... |
| 14:56.01 | Birdie | ~menotume ++ |
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| 14:57.04 | bryjen | yeah, some wierd bug perhaps. Or maybe its all in Grumbler's head.... ;) |
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| 15:01.22 | Grumbler | heh, i began to think that, buts its pretty consistent......get a high lagger o n the field, and I cant shoot anyone.......get everybody with similar lag, and it plays a lot like the pre-2.0 stuff |
| 15:04.27 | Grumbler | i played this weekend, early.....and everybodys lag was around 110ms.....and what i expected to happen, happened.............what bothers me the most is that you may have one lagger, who you know, and expect to have difficulty shooting, but then someone who you have been able to predict , suddenly the bullets go right through.....and you go .....wth was that |
| 15:05.18 | Grumbler | and the instaneous wings flap is a pain with a lagger |
| 15:05.44 | Grumbler | ...but this i s just me grumbling again |
| 15:06.16 | Grumbler | i hope to have it narrowed down to when/who and where soon..........i have started to track names/ips and when and how it happens |
| 15:06.56 | menotume | you want a lagger to test it ? |
| 15:07.09 | Grumbler | heh |
| 15:07.12 | menotume | i can do an ftp upload, and join |
| 15:07.21 | SportChick | np grumbler - thanks for the work you're doing - I'll look over the logs when I get some time and see if I notice anything odd |
| 15:07.46 | Grumbler | i am not sure you would see something i n the logs........much like your jitter |
| 15:09.20 | Grumbler | menotume, i have do some molding in the bathroom tonight,.....so i will probably be blowing off steam late tonight.........you have time then? |
| 15:09.32 | menotume | probably |
| 15:09.40 | menotume | just give a yell |
| 15:10.02 | fabianne | meno meno <3<3 |
| 15:10.21 | menotume | fabi <3 |
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| 15:30.40 | fabianne | tupo tupo |
| 15:30.44 | fabianne | my tupo :D |
| 15:32.17 | Tupone | ;) |
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| 15:33.19 | fabianne | karsten ... |
| 15:37.45 | Tupone | JeffM2501: :( what is the prototype of ioctlsocket ? I got u_long* as a 3rd params in msdn and MingW32. What you have? |
| 15:40.40 | BearPerson | fabianne, ?? |
| 15:41.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what it is |
| 15:41.09 | JeffM2501 | I had to mess with it last night to make it compile |
| 15:41.18 | JeffM2501 | whats in there now works |
| 15:41.36 | Tupone | but do not compile on MingW :( |
| 15:41.36 | JeffM2501 | for some reason it didn't like puting the variable IN the #def |
| 15:41.47 | JeffM2501 | I removed the mingw #def |
| 15:41.50 | JeffM2501 | you should put it back in |
| 15:42.01 | JeffM2501 | and changed it to _Win23 |
| 15:42.08 | JeffM2501 | you probably want WIN32 for them |
| 15:42.27 | Tupone | I will put the MSC_VER , you mean |
| 15:42.38 | JeffM2501 | well you used to have watcom there |
| 15:42.52 | JeffM2501 | VC has it as a unsigned long |
| 15:43.24 | Tupone | I got what is in c-ares and changed to remove warning. variable outside the ifdef gives unused var warning on non windows |
| 15:43.43 | JeffM2501 | it won't compile on windows inside the #ifdef |
| 15:43.50 | JeffM2501 | not in VC7 |
| 15:44.22 | Tupone | I'll put another #ifdef before, so var are not defined after normal statement. Hope it works |
| 15:44.35 | JeffM2501 | check it in and I'll try it |
| 15:44.44 | JeffM2501 | I may have busted the make builds tho |
| 15:44.49 | JeffM2501 | added some files |
| 15:44.57 | JeffM2501 | don't know if I changed the make files corectly |
| 15:45.11 | Tupone | ok, I'll see. can I reput back the WAT ifdef in ? |
| 15:45.25 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to, we don't support watcom |
| 15:45.30 | Tupone | hah |
| 15:45.32 | Tupone | ok |
| 15:46.54 | JeffM2501 | I have to make a map today to test trigered World Weaps |
| 15:47.16 | Tupone | ok, I'd eventually fix the Makefile |
| 15:47.33 | JeffM2501 | it was just a new class file added to bzw |
| 15:47.38 | JeffM2501 | bzfs I mean |
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| 15:51.46 | fabianne | CBG :P |
| 15:52.05 | CBG | <3 <3 Fabianne. |
| 15:52.16 | Tupone | fabi fabi: how how is is going going ? ? |
| 15:52.33 | Birdie | i must be drunk after reading tupones post |
| 15:52.39 | Tupone | lol |
| 15:52.49 | Tupone | I miss a : |
| 15:52.57 | Birdie | shame on you:) |
| 15:54.59 | fabianne | hahah my son just bumped his head with the table and he said *AWA* stood up and kept playing .. lol* so sweeeet awa instead of baby crying... |
| 15:55.55 | Birdie | just like his mother |
| 15:55.59 | Birdie | ahem |
| 15:56.07 | fabianne | how would you know... ? :P |
| 15:56.31 | fabianne | besides the fact sooooo well known that i never will say awa .. but cursing everyone around me :D |
| 15:58.10 | CBG | Argh! Why do I always make everyone silent??? :( |
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| 16:13.31 | JeffM2501 | damn, I don't have enough computers here to test :( |
| 16:14.45 | Birdie | ~dict dismiss |
| 16:14.56 | Birdie | wow |
| 16:15.05 | fabianne | hah |
| 16:17.04 | BearPerson | that sounds more like ~thesaurus than like ~dict to me... |
| 16:17.23 | Birdie | a dict should be there to help:) |
| 16:17.26 | Birdie | ahem.. |
| 16:17.40 | Birdie | if i get 30 synonyms |
| 16:19.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): like totaly cast doubles to floats |
| 16:20.22 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CustomWeapon.cxx: make the custom weapon code actualy READ the new option fields |
| 16:20.39 | BenUrban | custom weapons? |
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| 16:21.06 | JeffM2501 | world weap |
| 16:21.29 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/ares_process.c: Warning on MinGW |
| 16:21.38 | JeffM2501 | anything defined in a map is considered a "custom" item, i.e. not part of a random map |
| 16:22.01 | thelastdarick | im having trouble with my server as people are connecting and then dissconecting again can any one help |
| 16:22.06 | BenUrban | ah |
| 16:22.20 | thelastdarick | brb |
| 16:22.20 | JeffM2501 | thelastdarick, you have TCP and UDP open? |
| 16:22.43 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (WorldEventManager.cxx WorldWeapons.cxx): unused warning :) |
| 16:22.44 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, what do you know of zones? |
| 16:22.56 | Tupone | :( trepan is the man |
| 16:22.58 | BearPerson | BenUrban, actually quite cool from what I've heard |
| 16:23.02 | Tupone | cu |
| 16:23.07 | BenUrban | world weapons? yeah, they are |
| 16:23.11 | BenUrban | but they can be annoying :P |
| 16:23.19 | BearPerson | you can define weapons that shoot e.g. on capture of red flag |
| 16:23.25 | BenUrban | ooh, really? |
| 16:23.29 | BenUrban | interesting |
| 16:23.37 | BearPerson | generally event-based |
| 16:23.45 | BenUrban | so there's a scripting language? |
| 16:24.33 | creeperz | JeffM2501: what kind of MS mouse do you use? |
| 16:24.48 | JeffM2501 | the 5 button one |
| 16:25.30 | BearPerson | BenUrban, not sure, just read about it on a server admin ML |
| 16:25.58 | BearPerson | I guess you can add that it shoots on EVENT=RedTeamCapture or whatever |
| 16:29.09 | thelastdarick | jeff ive hayd acouple of people joining |
| 16:29.35 | JeffM2501 | BearPerson, where do you get these words? |
| 16:29.48 | JeffM2501 | RedTeamCaputre? |
| 16:29.48 | BearPerson | just made them up |
| 16:29.55 | BearPerson | :) |
| 16:29.55 | JeffM2501 | it's nothing like that |
| 16:30.01 | BearPerson | inform us :) |
| 16:30.02 | JeffM2501 | read the docs man :) |
| 16:30.09 | JeffM2501 | it's all in the man page |
| 16:30.17 | JeffM2501 | thelastdarick, are you behind a router? |
| 16:30.29 | BearPerson | ah, I thought docs == source ;-) |
| 16:30.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:30.37 | JeffM2501 | the manual |
| 16:30.42 | JeffM2501 | you know those docs we write |
| 16:30.43 | thelastdarick | yes but there port is open and it as bein routed forward |
| 16:32.00 | thelastdarick | ive got to go T be back later |
| 16:35.31 | BearPerson | hmm... trying to find those docs... man bzw I guess |
| 16:35.57 | creeperz | the IntelliMouse |
| 16:36.59 | BearPerson | so far, the manpages seem rather uninformative... :/ |
| 16:38.01 | BearPerson | okay, latest CVS's man/bzw.5 doesn't seem to mention anything near "weapon" |
| 16:38.38 | BearPerson | bzw.5s does, however |
| 16:39.29 | BearPerson | isn't "trigger" spelled with two g's? |
| 16:39.33 | BearPerson | ~dict triger |
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| 16:39.37 | BearPerson | ~dict trigger |
| 16:39.53 | JeffM2501 | probably |
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| 16:43.00 | spldart | Morning :) |
| 16:43.30 | fabianne | yays! breakfast! |
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| 16:56.54 | thelastdarick | hello got any further with my problem |
| 16:57.11 | thelastdarick | ??? |
| 16:57.21 | fabianne | patience.. lil one |
| 16:57.33 | fabianne | not that i know anything about ur prob. |
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| 16:58.20 | thelastdarick | my prob is that peole try to connet to my server but are instantly dissconnected again |
| 16:58.33 | fabianne | laaaaaaaaaaag |
| 16:58.37 | fabianne | i assume |
| 16:58.47 | fabianne | i had that connecting to someones server.. |
| 16:58.56 | thelastdarick | but there are instantly disconected |
| 16:58.57 | fabianne | got kicked by high lag after 3 secs |
| 16:59.00 | Grumbler | or you have a permission problem in your group setup |
| 16:59.00 | fabianne | yep yep |
| 16:59.35 | thelastdarick | permission problem? |
| 16:59.43 | thelastdarick | like what kind |
| 17:00.02 | fabianne | like permission denied to have pl joining |
| 17:01.02 | JeffM2501 | are you using groups? |
| 17:01.03 | JeffM2501 | at all? |
| 17:01.10 | JeffM2501 | and are you behind a router? |
| 17:01.21 | JeffM2501 | and what does it say when they are kicked? |
| 17:01.34 | thelastdarick | ok lets test this if you go to the server 212.139.30.136 at port 5154 and see if you can get in? |
| 17:01.38 | JeffM2501 | and it could be lag, what is your connection? |
| 17:01.45 | thelastdarick | dsl |
| 17:01.47 | JeffM2501 | I'm at work, I can't join anything |
| 17:01.54 | JeffM2501 | what speed upstream? |
| 17:02.35 | thelastdarick | it just says blah joining as a tank then blah dissconted |
| 17:02.50 | JeffM2501 | you sure that is a real player |
| 17:02.54 | JeffM2501 | not the list server? |
| 17:03.09 | thelastdarick | upstraem 256K |
| 17:03.16 | ToughShooter | Just seems like a very high lag |
| 17:03.16 | thelastdarick | yer |
| 17:03.19 | JeffM2501 | not much, but it shoudl work |
| 17:03.28 | JeffM2501 | do you see them join as tanks? |
| 17:03.32 | JeffM2501 | and spawn? |
| 17:03.35 | thelastdarick | but ive got it set to 5 warnings |
| 17:03.44 | thelastdarick | no sparn |
| 17:03.47 | ToughShooter | One has spawned |
| 17:03.56 | JeffM2501 | do you see them join as players with real names? |
| 17:04.04 | JeffM2501 | or just a connect message in the log? |
| 17:04.13 | thelastdarick | yer there aded in the list briefly |
| 17:04.34 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I have no problems joining |
| 17:04.52 | JeffM2501 | the list server will connect to you every so often |
| 17:04.58 | JeffM2501 | it will just connect and disconnet |
| 17:05.03 | JeffM2501 | that may be what you are seeing |
| 17:05.17 | thelastdarick | yer but there random connects |
| 17:05.31 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a router? |
| 17:05.36 | thelastdarick | yes |
| 17:05.49 | JeffM2501 | do you have both TCP and UDB set to route to your server? |
| 17:05.53 | JeffM2501 | UDP sorry |
| 17:06.53 | spldart | I I signed into 212.139.30.136 just fine :) |
| 17:07.51 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): stupid english language, add another G to spell trigger right. |
| 17:07.54 | JeffM2501 | does it seem to crap out after a number of people connect? |
| 17:08.11 | BearPerson | I just got in there nicely too |
| 17:08.12 | Grumbler | looks like you are confusing t he list server with real players |
| 17:08.20 | JeffM2501 | that would be my guess |
| 17:08.36 | Grumbler | ....either that or you are trolling trying to find out peoples ip address then spam them |
| 17:08.42 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 17:09.14 | thelastdarick | spldart are you using udp or tcp |
| 17:09.33 | JeffM2501 | bzflag uses both TCP AND UDP |
| 17:09.39 | spldart | default here at work |
| 17:09.43 | spldart | I assume both |
| 17:09.58 | thelastdarick | yer but you can disable one |
| 17:10.07 | JeffM2501 | well you think you can |
| 17:10.12 | JeffM2501 | but you realy can't :) |
| 17:10.33 | thelastdarick | also you cant route tcp and udp to the same port can you? |
| 17:10.52 | JeffM2501 | you can |
| 17:10.54 | spldart | Well... Here at work I'm default except for a change in the config for my favorite resolution and refresh |
| 17:11.01 | JeffM2501 | just do both of them to your server port |
| 17:11.05 | JeffM2501 | what router do you have? |
| 17:11.47 | thelastdarick | Adsl |
| 17:11.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:11.57 | JeffM2501 | that is your net connection |
| 17:12.01 | JeffM2501 | who makes your router? |
| 17:12.16 | thelastdarick | wat waht coumpany |
| 17:12.18 | JeffM2501 | would be like linksys, dlink, netgear |
| 17:12.22 | thelastdarick | link sys |
| 17:12.24 | JeffM2501 | something like that |
| 17:12.26 | Grumbler | belkin |
| 17:12.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh so a CheezORoute 5000 |
| 17:12.34 | Grumbler | 3com |
| 17:12.50 | Grumbler | BeerORouter45 |
| 17:12.57 | JeffM2501 | when you set up the virtual server it should have a pulldown menu for TCP/UDP/Both |
| 17:12.58 | bryjen | Mmm, cheese. please route this way... |
| 17:12.59 | JeffM2501 | choose both |
| 17:13.20 | thelastdarick | whaere is that seting |
| 17:13.20 | JeffM2501 | it will be where you route port 5154 to your LAN Ip |
| 17:13.36 | thelastdarick | ok |
| 17:13.40 | JeffM2501 | it will be in a section called "virtual server" or "port forwarding" |
| 17:14.16 | thelastdarick | ill need my dads passwords for that i do that thanks |
| 17:14.20 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:14.22 | JeffM2501 | the dad |
| 17:14.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah, you want to get parental help before you blow open a hole in your firewall |
| 17:14.58 | Grumbler | heh |
| 17:15.04 | bryjen | just when you thought it was safe to relax the MAL |
| 17:15.11 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || MAL=3 |
| 17:15.15 | thelastdarick | hes the network administrator and i did ask him to open it |
| 17:15.38 | thelastdarick | (the port) |
| 17:15.43 | JeffM2501 | network administrator and linksys should not be in the same sentance. |
| 17:15.54 | thelastdarick | what ever |
| 17:15.55 | JeffM2501 | as one would surely destroy the other |
| 17:16.07 | thelastdarick | destroy? |
| 17:16.24 | JeffM2501 | anhilate! |
| 17:16.26 | Grumbler | add netgear to that same sentence |
| 17:16.27 | JeffM2501 | mame |
| 17:16.28 | bryjen | eh, they're owned by cis-co now |
| 17:16.32 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 17:16.37 | *** join/#bzflag SC (sportygali@ca-redbch-cuda1-c8b-181.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 17:16.38 | JeffM2501 | they still make crap |
| 17:16.41 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:16.46 | JeffM2501 | tho less crap with the replacement bios |
| 17:17.23 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, you ever think of running a blog where you just rant for a paragraph or two a day..... |
| 17:17.30 | JeffM2501 | I have one |
| 17:17.39 | JeffM2501 | but I forget to update it it ALL the time |
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| 17:18.00 | JeffM2501 | and it's much more fun to rant to an audience |
| 17:18.02 | Grumbler | do you have top 10 lists running........ie top ten worst routers |
| 17:18.14 | JeffM2501 | you get the satisfaction of real time feedback |
| 17:18.18 | JeffM2501 | no, sadly I do not |
| 17:18.23 | spldart | Dlink turned out good as per your recomendation Jeff :) |
| 17:18.32 | JeffM2501 | the dlinks arn't bad |
| 17:18.38 | Grumbler | dlink bites |
| 17:18.39 | JeffM2501 | tho I won't be geting a dlink when I move |
| 17:18.49 | JeffM2501 | some of the old dlinks do bite |
| 17:18.51 | spldart | It's been flawless so far. |
| 17:19.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm going 3com all the way in the new house |
| 17:19.06 | JeffM2501 | office connect |
| 17:19.16 | spldart | Got a DI-604 and hooked it to my switch |
| 17:19.17 | Grumbler | key phrase. "so far" ....they are all flawless "so far" |
| 17:19.40 | JeffM2501 | dlinks can overheat |
| 17:19.46 | JeffM2501 | if they are under a pile of stuff |
| 17:19.47 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, you getting a house.....??...,..in CA........ya win t he lottery |
| 17:19.54 | spldart | Well. It's been easy to config. And has never done anything undesirable |
| 17:19.55 | JeffM2501 | I am not buying it |
| 17:19.57 | JeffM2501 | I am moving into it |
| 17:20.08 | JeffM2501 | with ether cable and DSL or 2 DSLs |
| 17:20.10 | Grumbler | ah |
| 17:20.11 | spldart | heat is not an issue. My Main computer room is ac'd to death |
| 17:20.14 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:21.01 | JeffM2501 | tho probably going to end up just droping 2 cat5's to each phone jack and wiring up the entire house |
| 17:21.21 | Grumbler | ugh.....wired......shiver |
| 17:21.28 | Grumbler | only need one wired |
| 17:21.48 | JeffM2501 | there will wireless as well |
| 17:22.18 | Grumbler | why so many wired then? |
| 17:22.57 | Grumbler | ....fyi, i believe we are off topic and darick is still having problems |
| 17:23.21 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, may go to VOIP |
| 17:23.24 | JeffM2501 | and wired is faster |
| 17:23.27 | JeffM2501 | at 100bt |
| 17:23.50 | JeffM2501 | he needs to check his router |
| 17:23.50 | bryjen | gig cards are cheap anymore |
| 17:25.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:25.26 | JeffM2501 | and geting wireless to an x-box is not simple |
| 17:25.38 | Grumbler | i agree with faster, but its the "need" that alludes me..........i can see one room max wired.....after that...it gets kinda week |
| 17:25.44 | Grumbler | err, weak |
| 17:26.01 | JeffM2501 | the phone wire is kinda crap in the house anyway, so we figured just drop a couple cat5's at each place and put in a dual plug plate |
| 17:26.22 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, there will more then likely be a meadia PC hooked to a TV |
| 17:26.45 | Grumbler | two rooms then.....still not at the whole house :) |
| 17:27.06 | JeffM2501 | if I'm gonna do one, may as well do them all at the same time |
| 17:27.08 | JeffM2501 | it's easyer |
| 17:27.12 | JeffM2501 | when its' empty |
| 17:27.33 | orange | easier for guests to hook into a wired network than wireless, generally speaking |
| 17:28.00 | JeffM2501 | 4 out of 5 main rooms will be needing it, so why not bust them all out :) |
| 17:28.15 | bryjen | olny if they're invited and inside the house ;) |
| 17:28.32 | orange | that too |
| 17:28.59 | JeffM2501 | what will make me most happy is I'll have one connection for hosting, and one for using |
| 17:29.12 | ruskie | :) |
| 17:29.15 | ruskie | lucky you |
| 17:29.32 | JeffM2501 | the DSLs are looking to be like $40 a month each |
| 17:30.51 | orange | for what speeds? |
| 17:31.10 | JeffM2501 | up to 7 down, 768 up |
| 17:31.26 | Grumbler | CA has all the breaks |
| 17:31.35 | orange | pretty good price for that |
| 17:31.48 | orange | but you still won't be able to host a 20-player 100-shot bzflag server |
| 17:32.36 | Grumbler | ~slap orange for bringing in the dark side |
| 17:32.37 | ibot | ACTION slaps orange for bringing in the dark side, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 17:49.11 | JeffM2501 | orange, I wasn't talking about hosting a bzflag server |
| 17:49.18 | JeffM2501 | just web hosting |
| 17:49.30 | JeffM2501 | and "other" servers |
| 17:49.31 | ruskie | lol |
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| 17:53.18 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 17:53.20 | solemnwarning | whenever i try to connect to pieinthesky bzflag crashes |
| 17:53.24 | solemnwarning | its been doing this for a week or 2 |
| 17:53.31 | solemnwarning | i used to be able to connect |
| 17:53.41 | solemnwarning | but it does that on mosts servers |
| 17:53.51 | solemnwarning | i can only conect to the crappy servers now |
| 17:53.56 | solemnwarning | any1 know wtf it is? |
| 17:55.24 | solemnwarning | any1 here??? |
| 17:55.38 | solemnwarning | i guess i cant play bzflag anymore then :'( |
| 17:55.46 | JeffM2501 | whoa |
| 17:55.50 | JeffM2501 | dude just slow down |
| 17:56.04 | JeffM2501 | what version are you using and on what OS? |
| 17:56.12 | solemnwarning | os: linux 2.6 |
| 17:56.22 | JeffM2501 | what version of bzflag? |
| 17:56.38 | solemnwarning | 1.10.6 i think |
| 17:56.59 | JeffM2501 | ohh old old version |
| 17:57.04 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 17:57.08 | solemnwarning | it has better servers |
| 17:57.19 | JeffM2501 | we don't do much with that old version anymore |
| 17:57.30 | JeffM2501 | probalby something in the server's map that your system dosn't like |
| 17:57.33 | solemnwarning | so why are all the good servers the old version? |
| 17:57.49 | JeffM2501 | ohh that's not a loaded question |
| 17:57.52 | bryjen | how good are they if they crash your client? |
| 17:57.54 | bryjen | ;) |
| 17:57.55 | solemnwarning | so a bunch of servers did somthing to map which makes bzflag crash? |
| 17:58.02 | JeffM2501 | what version servers run is up to each server owner |
| 17:58.15 | solemnwarning | how can i make mine connect |
| 17:58.18 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby just the map that server is running |
| 17:58.23 | solemnwarning | cos other people can connect fine |
| 17:58.37 | JeffM2501 | probalby a bug |
| 17:58.40 | solemnwarning | all the decent servers doing it at same time? |
| 17:58.44 | JeffM2501 | you could get the last 1.10.x code |
| 17:58.53 | JeffM2501 | then it sounds like you have a bad build |
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| 17:58.59 | JeffM2501 | or something changed on your system |
| 17:59.03 | JeffM2501 | what did you change? |
| 17:59.06 | solemnwarning | didnt change anything |
| 17:59.11 | JeffM2501 | something changed |
| 17:59.15 | JeffM2501 | if it used to work and now dosn't |
| 17:59.19 | solemnwarning | i just tried running it one time and it wont connect |
| 17:59.35 | Thumper_ | cods: ping |
| 17:59.37 | JeffM2501 | and the error you get is? |
| 17:59.42 | solemnwarning | no error |
| 17:59.49 | solemnwarning | it just freezes |
| 17:59.56 | solemnwarning | and i have to kill its pid |
| 18:00.02 | JeffM2501 | that's not good |
| 18:00.09 | JeffM2501 | you change any kernel stuff? |
| 18:00.14 | JeffM2501 | any new drivers |
| 18:00.15 | solemnwarning | nah |
| 18:00.26 | JeffM2501 | you can allways rebuild it |
| 18:00.27 | TimRiker | must be solar flares |
| 18:00.29 | JeffM2501 | do other servers work? |
| 18:00.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah sunspots |
| 18:00.36 | solemnwarning | only the crap ones |
| 18:00.55 | TimRiker | yeah, crap ones aren'e affected by sunspots. |
| 18:00.58 | solemnwarning | but the good ones like pieinthesky dont |
| 18:01.03 | JeffM2501 | so it's not your client |
| 18:01.05 | solemnwarning | sunspots? |
| 18:01.08 | JeffM2501 | it's the data that server is sending you |
| 18:01.13 | fabianne | bbl |
| 18:01.14 | JeffM2501 | could be a bug |
| 18:01.15 | *** part/#bzflag fabianne (~alex@p54A754E2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:01.23 | solemnwarning | how are others connecting then?? |
| 18:01.29 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 18:01.36 | JeffM2501 | we can't read minds |
| 18:01.44 | JeffM2501 | they may have newer code then you |
| 18:01.48 | Grumbler | speak for yourself...... |
| 18:01.49 | JeffM2501 | they may have a difrent route then you |
| 18:01.54 | JeffM2501 | they may have difrent OS setups then you |
| 18:01.59 | JeffM2501 | they may have difrent video then you |
| 18:02.05 | solemnwarning | so i cant play bzflag anymore? |
| 18:02.06 | JeffM2501 | something had to change |
| 18:02.12 | JeffM2501 | depends |
| 18:02.18 | JeffM2501 | how much work you want to put into fixing it? |
| 18:02.20 | Grumbler | suggest you contact the server owners |
| 18:02.42 | JeffM2501 | if you want somone to tell you how to macicaly fix it, it's probalby not going to happen |
| 18:02.54 | JeffM2501 | if you want to upgrade and play with the rest of the world, that would be something to try |
| 18:03.07 | JeffM2501 | otherwise you'll have to start diging and seeing what the deal is |
| 18:03.21 | JeffM2501 | you could try and blow out your map cache |
| 18:03.23 | solemnwarning | if i install 2 and try connecting it says incompatible server version |
| 18:03.24 | JeffM2501 | there may be a problem there |
| 18:03.26 | hacob | does anybody have man os x? |
| 18:03.32 | hacob | mac |
| 18:03.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah that server dosn't work with 2.0.x |
| 18:03.44 | bryjen | you can't connect to 1.10 servers using 2.0 |
| 18:03.44 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to pick a new server |
| 18:03.54 | JeffM2501 | there are more 2.0 servers then 1.10.x servers |
| 18:03.57 | JeffM2501 | many many more |
| 18:04.03 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzflist |
| 18:04.03 | solemnwarning | how do i get rid of map cache? |
| 18:04.09 | solemnwarning | they all seem to be empty <_< |
| 18:04.22 | JeffM2501 | there are 156 people playing 2.0.x now |
| 18:04.29 | JeffM2501 | and only 56 people on 1.10 |
| 18:04.33 | solemnwarning | pieinthesyk?? |
| 18:04.34 | bryjen | many of them are, as there always have been |
| 18:04.38 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 18:04.42 | solemnwarning | they upgraded to 2? |
| 18:04.43 | JeffM2501 | not your stupid pie in the sky server |
| 18:04.49 | JeffM2501 | other servers |
| 18:04.50 | solemnwarning | pieinthesky.kicks-ass.org:6700(16) |
| 18:05.01 | solemnwarning | in that list |
| 18:05.03 | bryjen | i think poxy is running 1 instance of 2.0 |
| 18:05.05 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:05.20 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 18:05.34 | solemnwarning | how do i del the cache? |
| 18:05.41 | bryjen | pieinthesky.bettagirl.com:5000 |
| 18:05.43 | JeffM2501 | it will be in your config dir |
| 18:05.52 | solemnwarning | wheres that? |
| 18:05.53 | JeffM2501 | ~/.bzf |
| 18:05.56 | solemnwarning | k |
| 18:06.17 | solemnwarning | rm -rf ~/.bzf/cache? |
| 18:06.29 | JeffM2501 | look in there |
| 18:06.31 | JeffM2501 | see what is there |
| 18:06.33 | solemnwarning | k |
| 18:06.34 | JeffM2501 | use the gray matter |
| 18:06.53 | solemnwarning | a ton of randomly numbered files |
| 18:06.59 | JeffM2501 | that would be your chace |
| 18:07.01 | JeffM2501 | then yank em |
| 18:07.05 | solemnwarning | k |
| 18:07.16 | solemnwarning | testing... |
| 18:11.33 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c126-p238.vtx.ch) |
| 18:15.33 | bryjen | ibot: mrtg |
| 18:15.34 | ibot | Multi Router Traffic Grapher. URL: http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html |
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| 18:23.55 | bryjen | http://list.bzflag.org/bzflag.html was what I was looking for. It doesn't seperate 2.0 from 1.10 tho... |
| 18:27.58 | Thumper_ | jpa-: ping |
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| 18:31.55 | trygvebw | solemnwarning: w00t |
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| 18:36.56 | Grumbler | hmmm, why does the name salvatore sound familar.......mozart......hmmm |
| 18:42.22 | Birdie | ~dict irssi |
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| 18:47.19 | Birdie | sportygal sportchick ping |
| 18:49.11 | bryjen | ibot: irssi |
| 18:49.13 | ibot | GTK+ based IRC client with GNOME panel support. URL: http://xlife.dhs.org/irssi/ |
| 18:49.33 | Birdie | ~bryjen ++ |
| 18:49.35 | Birdie | thx man |
| 18:50.41 | bryjen | welcome. however, that url does not work :( |
| 18:51.41 | Birdie | i saved it till it does will work |
| 18:52.14 | bryjen | http://irssi.org/ |
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| 18:52.24 | bryjen | google knows all :) |
| 18:52.36 | Birdie | thx |
| 18:52.37 | Grumbler | google is the devil |
| 18:52.40 | Birdie | ~google ++ |
| 18:52.42 | Birdie | :) |
| 18:53.22 | Birdie | eh |
| 18:53.23 | bryjen | ~google the devil |
| 18:53.29 | CBG | No way! Google rules. |
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| 18:54.52 | bryjen | ibot: no, irssi is a modular IRC client for UNIX. See http://irssi.org/ |
| 18:54.53 | ibot | okay, bryjen |
| 18:56.01 | Grumbler | bad spelling for earthsea |
| 18:56.06 | BenUrban | rofl |
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| 19:08.31 | ToughShooter | ~xchat |
| 19:08.32 | ibot | rumour has it, xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.com/ |
| 19:09.10 | trygvebw | ~pearpc |
| 19:09.24 | ToughShooter | Hmm, Linux is not a UNIX |
| 19:09.36 | BenUrban | you mean GNU's Not Unix |
| 19:10.45 | ToughShooter | Nope |
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| 19:13.35 | ToughShooter | For the record Mac OS X isn't UNIX, too |
| 19:13.59 | BenUrban | i think darwin is though |
| 19:14.58 | BenUrban | since darwin is basically a bsd |
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| 19:18.40 | ToughShooter | Kernel isn't |
| 19:18.46 | BenUrban | true |
| 19:18.52 | ToughShooter | Darwin _xnu_ |
| 19:19.14 | BenUrban | oh |
| 19:19.16 | BenUrban | right |
| 19:19.18 | BenUrban | forgot about that |
| 19:19.18 | ToughShooter | so x is not unix |
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| 19:22.31 | jpa- | Thumper_: pongie |
| 19:32.33 | JeffM2501 | X is a windowing environement not an OS |
| 19:33.44 | jpa- | they were talking about os x i think :) |
| 19:34.09 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:34.15 | JeffM2501 | and it's mach kernel |
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| 19:35.53 | DTRemenak | no, it's xnu kernel. mach is a strict microkernel, xnu is hybrid. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnu |
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| 19:36.10 | JeffM2501 | does it really mater in the end? |
| 19:36.15 | BenUrban | ~xnu |
| 19:36.18 | BenUrban | :P |
| 19:36.24 | JeffM2501 | it goes "bong" very nicely |
| 19:36.32 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:36.36 | BenUrban | that's not the kernel |
| 19:36.38 | BenUrban | that's the rom |
| 19:36.46 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's the speaker |
| 19:37.01 | BenUrban | not if it's the headphones |
| 19:37.25 | JeffM2501 | headphones are a form of electromagnetic speaker |
| 19:37.31 | JeffM2501 | they are just smaller |
| 19:37.32 | BenUrban | true |
| 19:37.41 | jpa- | unless they are based on piezo :) |
| 19:37.52 | jpa- | or electo-static |
| 19:38.02 | JeffM2501 | an EM field is still generated, just in a difrent way |
| 19:38.09 | JeffM2501 | those are all types of speakers |
| 19:38.23 | jpa- | it goes "bong" very nicely too |
| 19:38.25 | BenUrban | does anyone remember when speaker sed to refer to a person? |
| 19:38.31 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:38.36 | BenUrban | s/sed/used/ |
| 19:38.40 | BenUrban | damn u key |
| 19:38.43 | JeffM2501 | humans generate an EM field |
| 19:39.23 | BearPerson | hmmmm.... |
| 19:40.56 | jpa- | i'll go to sleep before JeffM2501 blows my mind |
| 19:41.00 | BenUrban | BearPerson: "booong", not "hmmmm" |
| 19:41.12 | BenUrban | jpa-: with a shotgun? |
| 19:41.29 | jpa- | BenUrban: can you ever know about him? |
| 19:41.32 | BearPerson | hmm. jpa-'s mind would probably go "booong" too |
| 19:41.36 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:41.54 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:41.57 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you around? |
| 19:42.05 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 19:42.08 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 19:42.16 | DTRemenak | why, need me for something? |
| 19:42.18 | jpa- | JeffM2501: he is fooling you |
| 19:42.28 | BenUrban | sssh |
| 19:42.32 | BenUrban | let him figure that out :P |
| 19:42.36 | JeffM2501 | just wondering if you had any input/ideas on what other events I could add to the event manager |
| 19:42.36 | BearPerson | hmm... note to self: Give BenUrban some screws to better attatch his ... |
| 19:42.48 | JeffM2501 | and if you know if the server knows when players enter/exit a zone |
| 19:42.57 | DTRemenak | no, it doesn't know that |
| 19:43.01 | BearPerson | Something on the map getting shot would be cool... but maybe not possible |
| 19:43.03 | DTRemenak | should be easy to add though |
| 19:43.09 | DTRemenak | since collision stuff is in bzfs now |
| 19:43.10 | BearPerson | s/maybe/likely/ |
| 19:43.28 | BenUrban | it's possible, but not feasible |
| 19:43.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah was thinking of object shot/ hit |
| 19:43.38 | JeffM2501 | player died |
| 19:43.41 | BenUrban | s/not/not necessarily/ |
| 19:43.41 | DTRemenak | BearPerson, anything's possible. right now the server doens't track shots though |
| 19:43.42 | JeffM2501 | player spawn |
| 19:44.00 | JeffM2501 | well I'm gonna do player death and player spawn |
| 19:44.01 | BearPerson | player talk |
| 19:44.16 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:44.17 | BenUrban | "Shoot me, please" |
| 19:44.22 | BearPerson | player on team X say "activate" ;-) |
| 19:44.24 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to do zone enter/zone exit |
| 19:44.26 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:44.31 | JeffM2501 | perhaps also flag pickup |
| 19:44.43 | jpa- | what about adding a large football? |
| 19:44.58 | BearPerson | hmm, no, not "activate"... "energize" :) |
| 19:45.03 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:46.37 | BearPerson | hmm... you could probably even have a /energize |
| 19:46.51 | BearPerson | people on a team could shoot that team's world weapon at will |
| 19:47.00 | BearPerson | you'd need a reload time then though |
| 19:47.07 | BearPerson | minimum delay |
| 19:47.41 | BenUrban | ooh, trigger a shockwave whenever a target gets shot |
| 19:47.51 | BenUrban | that would be sooo annoying |
| 19:48.00 | BearPerson | my words... but the server doesn't track shots |
| 19:48.02 | JeffM2501 | I am adding playerdied event now |
| 19:48.14 | JeffM2501 | but the events are for more then just world weaps |
| 19:48.25 | JeffM2501 | going to hook the "got shot" message into it |
| 19:48.29 | BearPerson | world weapons for fireworks :) |
| 19:48.37 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 19:48.48 | JeffM2501 | they can be used for that |
| 19:48.56 | BenUrban | can a world gm lock on btw? |
| 19:49.00 | BearPerson | nope |
| 19:49.04 | BenUrban | ROFL |
| 19:49.16 | BenUrban | that would be evil |
| 19:49.18 | BearPerson | I mean, the server can't really grab the flag, can it? |
| 19:49.27 | BenUrban | it would disappear :D |
| 19:49.32 | BearPerson | would it? |
| 19:49.46 | BenUrban | nah, the server would probably crash |
| 19:49.53 | JeffM2501 | try and see |
| 19:49.58 | JeffM2501 | instead of guessing :) |
| 19:50.03 | BearPerson | probably will :) |
| 19:50.17 | BenUrban | ooh |
| 19:50.24 | BenUrban | world weapons to simlate aerial bombardment |
| 19:50.35 | BenUrban | wold be pretty sweet |
| 19:50.39 | BenUrban | for a little while |
| 19:50.52 | BenUrban | oh, but they can't aim down, can they? |
| 19:50.56 | BenUrban | rats |
| 19:51.07 | JeffM2501 | they can have a tilt now |
| 19:51.12 | BenUrban | ah |
| 19:51.13 | BenUrban | cool |
| 19:51.33 | JeffM2501 | with the change I made you could make it rain fire down onto a base when you caped it's flag |
| 19:51.35 | JeffM2501 | or whereever |
| 19:51.42 | BenUrban | nice :) |
| 19:52.10 | BenUrban | and every time one of those bllets hits the ground, a sw goes off |
| 19:52.26 | JeffM2501 | that you can't do right now |
| 19:52.35 | BenUrban | thought not |
| 19:52.39 | BenUrban | unless you time it right |
| 19:52.44 | JeffM2501 | the only trigger is the cap |
| 19:52.50 | BenUrban | or can that not even be donw? |
| 19:52.51 | JeffM2501 | there is no timer for event based weaps |
| 19:52.54 | BenUrban | oh |
| 19:52.55 | BenUrban | nuts |
| 19:52.57 | BenUrban | well |
| 19:53.06 | JeffM2501 | the timer is not used for events |
| 19:53.07 | BenUrban | heh, maps need a scripting language |
| 19:53.22 | JeffM2501 | that is one reason I'm puting this all into an event manager |
| 19:53.26 | JeffM2501 | so that the events can be scripted |
| 19:53.41 | JeffM2501 | or at least more easaly added/changed |
| 19:54.37 | BearPerson | you may want to replace capteam with a more general team filter |
| 19:54.56 | BearPerson | so that you can also put playerdeath for a specific team only |
| 19:55.04 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm doing now |
| 19:55.24 | JeffM2501 | it'll probably be changed to eventTeam |
| 20:03.06 | ruskie | BenUrban, don't scare me like that... |
| 20:04.55 | JeffM2501 | you people are wierd |
| 20:05.19 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: s/weird/wired/ |
| 20:05.24 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:05.27 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 20:05.31 | JeffM2501 | your wierd |
| 20:05.39 | BenUrban | all people are weird |
| 20:06.21 | ruskie | well since all games use lua I think it would be the best idea... |
| 20:06.33 | JeffM2501 | I was just going to do plugins |
| 20:06.46 | BenUrban | what's lua? |
| 20:06.58 | JeffM2501 | a small scripting language that imbeds rather well |
| 20:06.59 | BenUrban | plugins? you mean compiled plgins? |
| 20:07.03 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:07.06 | JeffM2501 | DLLs for EVERYONE! |
| 20:07.08 | ruskie | hmm plugins sound best |
| 20:07.32 | JeffM2501 | well I am the one writing it |
| 20:07.50 | BenUrban | it'll never get into the core |
| 20:07.55 | JeffM2501 | core? |
| 20:07.59 | BenUrban | well |
| 20:08.03 | BenUrban | the core tree |
| 20:08.20 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:08.21 | JeffM2501 | what core? |
| 20:08.26 | BenUrban | nvm lol |
| 20:08.29 | JeffM2501 | there isn't realy a "core" to the code |
| 20:08.31 | ruskie | I think scripting in maps would be bad... |
| 20:08.51 | BenUrban | ruskie: and plugins in maps are better? |
| 20:09.02 | ruskie | no plugins for code... |
| 20:09.10 | JeffM2501 | plugin would not be in the map |
| 20:09.10 | ruskie | only calls to the plugin functions in maps |
| 20:09.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm not doing plugins |
| 20:09.28 | JeffM2501 | they can't be distributed |
| 20:09.29 | BenUrban | i still think it's a horrible idea |
| 20:09.32 | BenUrban | exactly |
| 20:09.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not horible |
| 20:09.46 | JeffM2501 | just not optimal when there are other solutions |
| 20:09.51 | BenUrban | it is for a cross platform open source project |
| 20:10.01 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:10.02 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 20:10.07 | JeffM2501 | the code itself is compiled |
| 20:10.16 | JeffM2501 | and since its' server side only, it's not THAT bad |
| 20:10.24 | JeffM2501 | none of this is sent to a client |
| 20:10.32 | JeffM2501 | so it only has to be built for the server in question |
| 20:10.38 | BenUrban | still |
| 20:10.46 | JeffM2501 | still what? |
| 20:10.49 | JeffM2501 | it's a viable option |
| 20:10.53 | JeffM2501 | that should be considered |
| 20:11.04 | JeffM2501 | I think there are other solutions that would work better |
| 20:11.16 | JeffM2501 | like imbeding some interpreted lang in the map |
| 20:11.23 | ruskie | it's not such a bad idea imo |
| 20:11.23 | JeffM2501 | since it's low use code |
| 20:11.37 | JeffM2501 | if it was high use code, you would want it to be in compiled code |
| 20:11.47 | ruskie | BenUrban, yeah but something that's easy on the resources which py isn't |
| 20:11.50 | JeffM2501 | like say a particle system |
| 20:12.03 | JeffM2501 | define "resources" |
| 20:12.12 | ruskie | cpu&mem |
| 20:12.26 | ruskie | <-- had bad experience with py based stuff |
| 20:12.33 | JeffM2501 | what makes the python interpreter more of a ram and CPU hog then other interpreters? |
| 20:12.43 | BenUrban | ruskie: what kind of bad experiences? |
| 20:13.07 | ruskie | 99% cpu usage was most common for me |
| 20:13.14 | JeffM2501 | what was your code doing? |
| 20:13.15 | BenUrban | then your app was buggy |
| 20:13.32 | BenUrban | don't you dare ever speak ill of python in my presence |
| 20:13.32 | JeffM2501 | did your code just run thru a loop over and over? |
| 20:13.33 | BenUrban | :P |
| 20:13.34 | ruskie | I didn't code it... |
| 20:13.38 | JeffM2501 | cus I can make a c++ ap do it :) |
| 20:13.57 | BenUrban | ruskie: what code are we talking about then? |
| 20:14.08 | ruskie | BenUrban, it was a while ago... I really don't recall |
| 20:14.17 | JeffM2501 | look you 2, your in the real world now, not just shooting the crap with each other. I'm implemting code now, so you have to backup your statemnts with facts, both good and bad. |
| 20:14.18 | ruskie | but I'm no touching python... ever |
| 20:14.21 | BenUrban | then don't let it influence your decisions |
| 20:14.27 | BearPerson | okay |
| 20:14.41 | BearPerson | having a world weapon TH really does drop your flag |
| 20:14.51 | ruskie | nice |
| 20:14.56 | BearPerson | it just zaps the flag you're holding |
| 20:15.00 | JeffM2501 | the drop happens in client code so that makes sence |
| 20:15.04 | BearPerson | I should try team flags soon |
| 20:15.31 | JeffM2501 | do ether of you have epxperience in imbeding an scripting parser in an app? |
| 20:15.52 | BearPerson | not me |
| 20:15.55 | BenUrban | not me |
| 20:16.28 | JeffM2501 | C it is then |
| 20:16.36 | BenUrban | noooooo |
| 20:16.37 | BearPerson | a C parser? |
| 20:16.45 | JeffM2501 | why not |
| 20:16.49 | JeffM2501 | but no, no parser |
| 20:16.54 | BearPerson | a .so ? |
| 20:16.56 | JeffM2501 | hardcoding event types now |
| 20:17.05 | JeffM2501 | they won't be expandable |
| 20:17.10 | JeffM2501 | yet |
| 20:17.15 | JeffM2501 | hooks will be there tho |
| 20:17.27 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't load an .so |
| 20:17.32 | JeffM2501 | a c parser may not be bad |
| 20:17.37 | BenUrban | because it would be relatively trivial to learn to implement it |
| 20:17.38 | JeffM2501 | they are decently efficent |
| 20:17.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'll work on it later |
| 20:17.53 | JeffM2501 | it's not my main goal |
| 20:18.01 | BenUrban | i mean an embedded scripting language |
| 20:18.05 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:18.14 | ruskie | BenUrban, since you're so in love with python go help lilo with the next generation services |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | the problem is, there is nothing to call from said language right now |
| 20:18.26 | BenUrban | ruskie: what's that? |
| 20:18.28 | JeffM2501 | no API |
| 20:18.35 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: what do you mean? |
| 20:18.52 | JeffM2501 | the script dosn't have accessors to the bzflag game state on the server |
| 20:19.02 | JeffM2501 | nothing is exposed |
| 20:19.10 | JeffM2501 | that's why I am hooking up events |
| 20:19.21 | JeffM2501 | so that scripts can be called on events and get the data they need to do stuff |
| 20:19.30 | JeffM2501 | then an API will have to be exposed to the script so it can do stuff |
| 20:19.41 | JeffM2501 | like send messages, move shots, flags, fire world weps. and whatnot |
| 20:20.02 | JeffM2501 | scripting itself don't mean that the script automagicly has full access to the entirety of bzfs |
| 20:20.18 | BearPerson | I've seen a discrepancy between 2.0.3 and before today |
| 20:20.29 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:20.35 | BearPerson | a map had a pool that had "passable" and a physics killing people in it |
| 20:20.48 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.3 is dev code |
| 20:20.51 | JeffM2501 | it changes all the time |
| 20:20.56 | BearPerson | the pre-2.0.3 clients were killed by it, I (rather latest 2.0.3) wasn't |
| 20:21.02 | JeffM2501 | that's not good |
| 20:21.09 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 20:21.12 | JeffM2501 | there are many 2.0.3's |
| 20:21.21 | JeffM2501 | does current code behave like 2.0.2? |
| 20:21.22 | BearPerson | I'll see if I can narrow and track it down |
| 20:21.43 | BearPerson | dunno, my code that is not killed is maybe a few weeks old |
| 20:21.46 | BearPerson | one or two |
| 20:21.46 | JeffM2501 | tho it does seem like it's not realy a valid case |
| 20:21.52 | JeffM2501 | when you have 2 things at the same time |
| 20:21.56 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 20:22.01 | JeffM2501 | it realy should not happen that often |
| 20:22.16 | BearPerson | will talk to the map creator |
| 20:22.17 | JeffM2501 | more then likely something got moved before something else |
| 20:22.27 | BearPerson | probably |
| 20:28.09 | JeffM2501 | if I hook up enough events, and have a good enough API, the entire gametype could be customised via a scripting system |
| 20:28.22 | BenUrban | which would be quite awesome |
| 20:28.33 | JeffM2501 | well client still does a lot of it, so it would be limited. |
| 20:28.39 | JeffM2501 | but things like where flags spawn |
| 20:28.46 | JeffM2501 | and how the score is computed |
| 20:28.48 | BenUrban | the client doesn't necessarily have to do a lot of it |
| 20:28.50 | JeffM2501 | and who dies when |
| 20:28.56 | JeffM2501 | sure, but it currently DOES |
| 20:29.00 | BenUrban | right |
| 20:29.02 | JeffM2501 | it's just more work to move it |
| 20:29.04 | JeffM2501 | a lot more |
| 20:29.07 | BenUrban | well that can be changed by a protocol break |
| 20:29.15 | JeffM2501 | and a lot of work |
| 20:29.23 | BenUrban | in fact, it probably should be changed for 3.0 |
| 20:29.37 | JeffM2501 | next will be 2.2 |
| 20:29.44 | JeffM2501 | you gonna do the work |
| 20:29.52 | JeffM2501 | people have been saying that since 1.7 |
| 20:30.12 | BenUrban | i can certainly write python... |
| 20:30.24 | BenUrban | if the script language is python i can help |
| 20:30.24 | JeffM2501 | the python isn' the hard word |
| 20:30.36 | JeffM2501 | it's the rearchetecturing of the game |
| 20:30.42 | JeffM2501 | to make it more server centric |
| 20:30.45 | JeffM2501 | and that's all C++ |
| 20:31.10 | BenUrban | heh, i'd have to do that full time for a long while to be able to help out at all with that |
| 20:32.07 | JeffM2501 | language is such a small part of programing |
| 20:32.27 | JeffM2501 | all it does is tell you how lazy you can be |
| 20:32.41 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:32.45 | BenUrban | +5, insightful |
| 20:33.16 | BenUrban | i doubt i can handle doing any actual coding toward making it server centric |
| 20:33.18 | BenUrban | but |
| 20:33.25 | BenUrban | i can certainly provide some pointers |
| 20:33.52 | BenUrban | but what kind of timeframe are we talking about for that? |
| 20:33.56 | JeffM2501 | you have experience in real time network protocolls over lossy medium? |
| 20:34.02 | JeffM2501 | timeframe? |
| 20:34.02 | BenUrban | nope |
| 20:34.46 | JeffM2501 | when have we had a timeframe for anything? |
| 20:34.49 | BenUrban | i don't necessarily plan to quit my job anytime soon... |
| 20:34.51 | BenUrban | ah |
| 20:34.52 | BenUrban | ok |
| 20:35.31 | JeffM2501 | what do you do now? |
| 20:35.53 | BenUrban | simplycomputers.net |
| 20:36.01 | BenUrban | i'm his tech |
| 20:36.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh that's right |
| 20:36.03 | JeffM2501 | setup |
| 20:36.07 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 20:36.49 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-030-052.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:38.27 | BenUrban | lol the main reason i'm considering any of this is that i'm bored out of my mind :P |
| 20:39.33 | JeffM2501 | setup would drive me batty |
| 20:39.46 | JeffM2501 | that's why I have to keep declining the IT dept head job |
| 20:40.08 | BenUrban | well |
| 20:40.26 | BenUrban | i was originally hired to convert them to linux servers |
| 20:40.39 | BenUrban | with a little setup on the side, ntil he found another tech |
| 20:40.54 | BenUrban | it's a year later and he still hasn't found another tech |
| 20:41.15 | BenUrban | and the bilding is under contruction so the linux server is in storage |
| 20:43.07 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 20:43.12 | BenUrban | yep |
| 20:43.14 | JeffM2501 | a year isn't long tho |
| 20:43.18 | JeffM2501 | not in the least |
| 20:43.25 | BenUrban | it is quite a long time to be ding setp |
| 20:43.30 | BenUrban | *doing |
| 20:43.31 | BenUrban | *setup |
| 20:43.58 | BenUrban | and it's not like he makes it worth my while |
| 20:44.01 | BenUrban | since he can't afford to |
| 20:44.12 | JeffM2501 | then it's time to find a new job |
| 20:44.24 | BenUrban | the biggest benefit i'm getting from this is preventing the switch back to nocturnal |
| 20:45.46 | JeffM2501 | that sounds like a personal problem |
| 20:46.05 | BenUrban | yep |
| 20:47.32 | JeffM2501 | whoot down to 3 errors |
| 20:47.57 | BenUrban | and how many warnings? ;) |
| 20:48.18 | JeffM2501 | 0 |
| 20:48.23 | JeffM2501 | I clean up my warnings |
| 20:48.25 | BenUrban | WOW |
| 20:48.29 | JeffM2501 | and learners warnings |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM2501 | but I also contribute to the work of Capt. WhiteSpace |
| 20:52.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:52.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: convert flag cap event system to generic event system |
| 20:52.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add capture position, orientation, and time to capture event data. |
| 20:54.21 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldWeapons.cxx: use so called "unused" variable so that it will compile on windows ( can't have a comment in the middle of a param list ). |
| 20:56.31 | *** join/#bzflag sdref (~ipaq@c529df873.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:57.14 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@brad2901.user) |
| 21:01.42 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen_ (~bryjen@63.147.94.151) |
| 21:02.04 | bryjen_ | sheesh |
| 21:05.28 | *** join/#bzflag bzflaguser_AAA (~183ed5c1@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:06.20 | bryjen | ~ping |
| 21:06.21 | ibot | pong |
| 21:06.39 | bzflaguser_AAA | ping? |
| 21:07.00 | bryjen | hmm? |
| 21:07.02 | bzflaguser_AAA | how do 'roam' in observer mode? |
| 21:07.12 | JeffM2501 | press keys |
| 21:07.25 | bzflaguser_AAA | which/witch ones? |
| 21:07.28 | bryjen | F8 to change observer mode. Arrow keys to move in roaming mode |
| 21:08.07 | JeffM2501 | those keys |
| 21:08.14 | JeffM2501 | unless you changed them |
| 21:08.47 | bzflaguser_AAA | move up/down? |
| 21:08.52 | bzflaguser_AAA | verticly |
| 21:09.02 | bryjen | shift + up or down. |
| 21:09.26 | bryjen | control + arrow keys changes the angle of the "camera" |
| 21:10.42 | bzflaguser_AAA | thanks |
| 21:10.43 | *** part/#bzflag bzflaguser_AAA (~183ed5c1@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:11.08 | bryjen | flagKilledWith probly needs to be init'ed to something |
| 21:12.49 | JeffM2501 | it's a std::string |
| 21:12.57 | JeffM2501 | so it's inited to an empty string |
| 21:13.13 | bryjen | WorldEventManager.cxx:48: warning: statement with no effect |
| 21:13.51 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.53 | JeffM2501 | ha |
| 21:13.55 | JeffM2501 | left over |
| 21:14.07 | JeffM2501 | I fill in my constructors with a paste from the class def |
| 21:14.09 | JeffM2501 | and init |
| 21:14.15 | JeffM2501 | forgot to remove the line |
| 21:23.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:23.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: change flagcap event type to OnCap for flag caputre events |
| 21:23.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: add OnSpawn and OnDie event types for world weapons as well. |
| 21:24.59 | *** join/#bzflag cadu (~cadu@200.179.42.157) |
| 21:25.04 | cadu | why |
| 21:25.15 | JeffM2501 | because |
| 21:25.22 | cadu | there's some possibility of running bzflag here on my Duron1300mhz / 64mb of ram without a 3d card ? |
| 21:25.31 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:25.34 | JeffM2501 | it'll just run slow |
| 21:25.36 | cadu | a guy here ran it on ipaqs and arms and other esoterical things |
| 21:25.46 | cadu | JeffM2501: dogslow or playable-but-slow slow ? |
| 21:25.52 | JeffM2501 | turn off as much of the graphics as you can |
| 21:26.01 | JeffM2501 | some people play on software only systems |
| 21:26.03 | JeffM2501 | it may be playable |
| 21:26.11 | JeffM2501 | depends on many things |
| 21:26.11 | cadu | nice |
| 21:26.14 | cadu | like ? |
| 21:26.19 | JeffM2501 | like map complexity and player counts |
| 21:26.23 | BenUrban | the last time i tried ti run it without dri i got 0.2 fps |
| 21:26.25 | JeffM2501 | and what you consider "playable" |
| 21:26.27 | BenUrban | *to |
| 21:26.40 | cadu | 0.2 fps isn't playable :) |
| 21:26.50 | BenUrban | it's not even navigatable in the menus |
| 21:26.51 | BenUrban | lol |
| 21:26.55 | cadu | at home i have a nvidia card, it runs at 1152x864 and uberfast :) |
| 21:26.56 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 21:27.03 | JeffM2501 | in this system? |
| 21:27.04 | cadu | at home geforce fx5200 |
| 21:27.11 | cadu | at work onboard sis 630 |
| 21:27.18 | cadu | it's compiled in dri/agpgart for it... |
| 21:27.19 | JeffM2501 | may not be horible |
| 21:27.30 | JeffM2501 | it'll try to at least use it |
| 21:27.30 | bryjen | is that 64mb of system ram? ewww |
| 21:27.34 | JeffM2501 | try and see |
| 21:27.48 | JeffM2501 | your going to be taging swap a lot |
| 21:27.48 | cadu | i'm using DGA/MitSHM on things like xmame and i can resize the screen and get 60fps :) |
| 21:27.56 | cadu | gee |
| 21:28.07 | JeffM2501 | bzflag can run in a window |
| 21:28.09 | cadu | even a voodoo1 would run bzflag nicely ? |
| 21:28.18 | JeffM2501 | no voodoo is evil |
| 21:28.23 | JeffM2501 | they don't fully support GL |
| 21:28.27 | JeffM2501 | so many things don't work |
| 21:28.30 | cadu | i'll try running it with no textures at 320x200 |
| 21:28.36 | BenUrban | EEW |
| 21:28.49 | cadu | it'll be like playing Stunts (remember this game?) :) |
| 21:29.17 | cadu | they could make a software bzflag |
| 21:29.20 | BenUrban | btw, no textures can cause problem with text being the exact same color as the background |
| 21:29.21 | cadu | why they don't try it ? |
| 21:29.26 | BenUrban | as well as the minimap |
| 21:29.35 | BenUrban | of course, without transparency that point is moot |
| 21:29.41 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is software |
| 21:29.42 | bryjen | they is us, and bzflag will run with software GL |
| 21:29.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:29.51 | cadu | JeffM2501: :) |
| 21:29.53 | JeffM2501 | it's all up to your GL |
| 21:30.01 | JeffM2501 | if you have software GL then your good |
| 21:30.05 | JeffM2501 | if you have hardware GL then your good |
| 21:30.05 | cadu | yeah |
| 21:30.08 | BenUrban | lol |
| 21:30.13 | cadu | good to get 1fps :) |
| 21:30.13 | JeffM2501 | if you have voodoo GL then your not good |
| 21:30.17 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 21:30.23 | BenUrban | voodoo != GL |
| 21:30.30 | cadu | at home the geforcefx5200 does fine :) |
| 21:30.31 | cadu | ok |
| 21:30.40 | cadu | even a geforce1 pci would do bzflag ?! o_O |
| 21:30.43 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, 3dfx only did a minidriver for GL |
| 21:30.57 | JeffM2501 | cadu, it dosn't mater on the card, but the GL implemenation |
| 21:31.07 | JeffM2501 | many people use software GL on non accelerated cards |
| 21:31.17 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, but they did have a GL implemenation |
| 21:31.20 | JeffM2501 | it just was not complete |
| 21:31.42 | JeffM2501 | ok 3 people |
| 21:31.47 | BenUrban | better :P |
| 21:31.47 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, it links fine |
| 21:31.58 | JeffM2501 | it's just that the functions are stubbed |
| 21:32.01 | BenUrban | oh |
| 21:32.04 | BenUrban | EEW |
| 21:32.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:32.09 | JeffM2501 | hene why it sucks |
| 21:32.12 | JeffM2501 | but it is GL |
| 21:32.25 | BenUrban | not technically |
| 21:32.32 | BenUrban | GL is required to conform to the spec |
| 21:32.33 | JeffM2501 | they are openGL calls |
| 21:32.43 | BenUrban | if the functions are stubbed, it doesn't conform |
| 21:32.44 | JeffM2501 | it is not a ICD |
| 21:32.48 | BenUrban | ICD? |
| 21:32.54 | JeffM2501 | Installable Client Driver |
| 21:32.57 | JeffM2501 | aka what you have now |
| 21:33.12 | JeffM2501 | the only thing that the openGL arb will certify now |
| 21:33.18 | BenUrban | ah |
| 21:33.19 | JeffM2501 | they USED to do mini drivers |
| 21:33.42 | JeffM2501 | aka when ID said "we are using GL, ceritfy that 3dfx driver" |
| 21:34.08 | JeffM2501 | Old Johny has a bit of pull with the ARB |
| 21:34.20 | BenUrban | Johnny? |
| 21:34.31 | JeffM2501 | Mr John Carmack |
| 21:34.40 | JeffM2501 | you may have heard of him. |
| 21:34.48 | bryjen | CustomWeapon.cxx: In member function `virtual bool CustomWeapon::read(const char*, std::istream&)': |
| 21:34.50 | bryjen | CustomWeapon.cxx:85: warning: declaration of `triggerType' shadows a member of `this' |
| 21:34.59 | JeffM2501 | wtf |
| 21:35.25 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:36.13 | JeffM2501 | I'm at work, can't test :( |
| 21:36.26 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CustomWeapon.cxx: names names names |
| 21:36.32 | JeffM2501 | but try that :) |
| 21:36.45 | JeffM2501 | so I guess I did add the right files to the make file if your geting that far |
| 21:37.32 | JeffM2501 | know what BZ will do with a message it dosn't know about? |
| 21:38.13 | bryjen | nope |
| 21:38.34 | bryjen | client or server? |
| 21:38.54 | JeffM2501 | with the onDie events I could now do a UT style "killing spree" tracker really easy |
| 21:39.00 | JeffM2501 | client |
| 21:39.45 | bryjen | server looks like it may fall thru and be ignored |
| 21:40.04 | JeffM2501 | client does it probably in playing |
| 21:40.18 | JeffM2501 | ohh how I hate playing.cxx |
| 21:41.29 | bryjen | not even a default on that switch |
| 21:41.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:41.38 | JeffM2501 | hmmm........................................... |
| 21:43.55 | bryjen | yuk. big switch-case-es full of cases full of code are as bad as overnested if-then-else-s full of code |
| 21:44.17 | JeffM2501 | playing.cxx is just too damned big |
| 21:44.27 | bryjen | well, that too ;) |
| 21:44.43 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: play.C :D |
| 21:44.51 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:45.08 | BenUrban | if playing.cxx is too big... |
| 21:45.13 | BenUrban | try changing it to play.C |
| 21:45.16 | BenUrban | :D |
| 21:45.26 | JeffM2501 | umm |
| 21:45.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:45.42 | BenUrban | sorry that was corny |
| 21:45.50 | bryjen | playing.cxx is already 8.3 compliant |
| 21:46.49 | bryjen | as if that matters on a sane filesystem |
| 21:47.10 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 21:47.23 | BenUrban | 's head |
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| 21:49.24 | bryjen | There's nothing like a good joke. And that was nothing like one. ;) |
| 21:49.30 | BenUrban | heh |
| 21:49.32 | BenUrban | indeed |
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| 21:51.21 | bryjen | Builds OK on loon-ucks now |
| 21:51.40 | JeffM2501 | huzza! |
| 21:51.51 | Thumper_ | lee-nooks! |
| 21:53.18 | bryjen | line-nacks! |
| 21:53.34 | bryjen | or -icks! |
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| 22:18.12 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/README.XMINGW: Instruction to build bzflag from linux for windows |
| 22:18.37 | blast007 | cool :) |
| 22:18.56 | Tupone | hehe, trying to help me supporting windows |
| 22:19.35 | Tupone | hope someone add inclucing the installer instruction |
| 22:19.53 | Tupone | s/luc/lud/ |
| 22:20.21 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add player join and part event hooks |
| 22:21.54 | Tupone | instruction would be more simple if we can use newer autoconf/automake. I wonder if Tim accept this now ... renaming configure.in in configure.ac |
| 22:23.26 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, he'll be far to busy with WS soon :) |
| 22:23.35 | ruskie | WS? |
| 22:23.38 | Tupone | hehe |
| 22:23.46 | JeffM2501 | ~ws |
| 22:23.47 | ibot | ws is probably short for workstation. White Space, or the country code for Western Samoa |
| 22:23.50 | Tupone | your ws, or c-ares ws ? |
| 22:23.55 | JeffM2501 | my ws |
| 22:24.01 | JeffM2501 | you adding ws too? |
| 22:24.22 | Tupone | dunno, I put in c-ares 1.2.1 recently, you knokw |
| 22:24.31 | JeffM2501 | no I don't know :) |
| 22:24.42 | Tupone | you fixed a lot :) |
| 22:24.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:25.01 | JeffM2501 | I just complain at lot, I don't actualy look at what I'm complaining about |
| 22:25.29 | Tupone | I dunno about installer .. is something that require windows to build it ? |
| 22:25.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:25.38 | JeffM2501 | NSIS |
| 22:26.03 | JeffM2501 | it's not part of a compiler |
| 22:26.05 | Tupone | so it cannot be cross-build |
| 22:26.20 | JeffM2501 | not it can not |
| 22:26.48 | JeffM2501 | it may run under wine |
| 22:26.58 | JeffM2501 | tho it ties into the shell somewhat |
| 22:27.55 | Tupone | I would like linux people be able to fix problem on windows ... We could do just replacing a part, like an exe |
| 22:28.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:28.25 | JeffM2501 | you saying that DTRemenak and myself arn't available enough? |
| 22:28.27 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 22:28.30 | Tupone | But a real installer real close the loop. Have to think about :/ |
| 22:28.34 | JeffM2501 | tho your builds are probably difrent then ours |
| 22:28.36 | JeffM2501 | since we use VC |
| 22:28.41 | JeffM2501 | difrent libs and the like |
| 22:28.54 | Tupone | yeah, and SDL, |
| 22:28.58 | JeffM2501 | ewww |
| 22:29.06 | JeffM2501 | no force feedback |
| 22:29.11 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 22:29.16 | Tupone | prolly I Would implement a dynamic switch |
| 22:29.30 | JeffM2501 | put platform into a DLL |
| 22:29.36 | JeffM2501 | have the game chose what one to load at startup |
| 22:29.37 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 22:30.02 | Tupone | but I don't want to get all the windows include files ... well, for today is okay |
| 22:30.17 | JeffM2501 | it's better then what you had yesterday |
| 22:30.28 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:30.40 | JeffM2501 | now what to call a thing that tracks killing sprees |
| 22:30.54 | JeffM2501 | -trackspree ? |
| 22:31.10 | Tupone | ~dict spree |
| 22:31.30 | JeffM2501 | a run of kills with out dying |
| 22:31.55 | JeffM2501 | like if you kill 5 and don't die, server will say "dude is on roll!" |
| 22:32.03 | JeffM2501 | and somethign for like 10 |
| 22:32.05 | JeffM2501 | or 20 |
| 22:32.38 | Tupone | dunno ... for today is enough ... bye :) |
| 22:32.38 | JeffM2501 | mostly just something to use the event system besides world weapons :) |
| 22:32.44 | JeffM2501 | have a good evening |
| 22:32.53 | Tupone | nite, going to sleep |
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| 23:50.53 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/c-ares/ares_process.c: cares is ansi c, always define variables at the beginning of a block |
| 23:51.27 | JeffM2501 | aww come on port it to C++ :) |
| 23:51.44 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:52.06 | JeffM2501 | got a good name for a "run of kills with no deaths" other then 'spree' ? |
| 23:53.36 | DTRemenak | rampage? |
| 23:53.42 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 23:53.49 | JeffM2501 | CRampageTracker |
| 23:54.17 | DTRemenak | eww, where'd that leading C come from? :) |
| 23:54.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a class |
| 23:54.54 | JeffM2501 | so -trackrampages for an option? |
| 23:55.25 | DTRemenak | don't ask me :) |
| 23:55.28 | JeffM2501 | or something like -trackplayerl33tmadzskillz |
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| 23:55.52 | JeffM2501 | -trackp0wnzorz |
| 23:59.14 | JeffM2501 | hmmm there has to be a good word for it |