irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050517

`00:16.55`	`SportyGal`	`hi jitter-watching menotume`
`00:26.04`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol sry`
`00:26.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`is there anyway that I can get Identified without connecting to the list server?`
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`01:36.41`	`justin21`	`I'm having trouble using the xcode file that comes with the source code. Are the implementation files not supposed to be added to the xcode project?`
`01:38.16`	`learner`	`what's the trouble exactly?`
`01:38.47`	`learner`	`the xcode project is a wrapper onto the unix build, if i remember correctly`
`01:38.57`	`justin21`	`Well when i open the xcode file, shouldnt the source code files be displayed in xcode somewhere?`
`01:39.22`	`BenUrban`	`if it's just a wrapper, it doesn't matter`
`01:39.48`	`justin21`	`when i click build, it says no targets and no makefile`
`01:40.04`	`BenUrban`	`then something went wrong lol`
`01:40.46`	`learner`	`hmm`
`01:40.53`	`learner`	`where'd you get the sources from?`
`01:40.56`	`learner`	`source tarball or cvs?`
`01:41.02`	`justin21`	`tarball`
`01:41.12`	`justin21`	`all the files are there`
`01:41.19`	`justin21`	`just not in the xcode file`
`01:41.41`	`learner`	`they're not supposed to be in there, it's just a convenience wrapper`
`01:42.13`	`learner`	`i assume it's failing because autogen and configure aren't run yet .. maybe due to how the last source tarball was made`
`01:42.30`	`learner`	`Go to Targets -> BZFlag and select the first Shell Script phase`
`01:43.00`	`learner`	`go to the information panel (blue "i" button), and uncomment the first two lines`
`01:43.59`	`learner`	`the xcode project might also be assuming you have installed the SDL framework from libsdl.org`
`01:44.11`	`learner`	`s/might/should/`
`01:44.19`	`justin21`	`# ./autogen.sh 2>&1`
`01:44.21`	`justin21`	`# ./configure --without-regex 2>&1`
`01:44.25`	`learner`	`yes, those two`
`01:44.25`	`justin21`	`those should be commented?`
`01:44.29`	`learner`	`remove the "# "`
`01:45.18`	`learner`	`then select BZFlag -> Frameworks & LIbraries`
`01:45.20`	`learner`	`are any red?`
`01:45.39`	`justin21`	`yeah the sdl framework`
`01:45.55`	`learner`	`yeah, figured.. you have to install that`
`01:46.28`	`justin21`	`and that's at libsdl.org`
`01:46.29`	`learner`	`http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-devel-1.2.8.pkg.tar.gz`
`01:47.15`	`justin21`	`thanks a lot`
`01:47.29`	`learner`	`maybe also http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.8.pkg.tar.gz`
`01:47.51`	`justin21`	`I'm starting to do some research on DR vectors using BZflag`
`01:48.25`	`learner`	`feel free to hang around and get your changes commited to cvs ;)`
`01:48.58`	`learner`	`there is a paper from last year on the topic that was presented at acm sigccomm, might consider expanding on it`
`01:49.17`	`learner`	`depending on what kind of DR research you mean`
`01:49.19`	`justin21`	`yeah, i'm meeting with the author tomorrow`
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`01:49.30`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Tupone!!!!`
`01:49.37`	`justin21`	`i'm continuing his research hopefully`
`01:49.46`	`learner`	`excellent`
`01:49.55`	`Ice_Wewe`	`GRRR`
`01:50.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`there is a code error in bzflag!`
`01:50.01`	`learner`	`I'd love to get some of his/your changes into cvs`
`01:50.13`	`learner`	`Ice_Wewe, tupone isn't here as you can hopefully see`
`01:50.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I did`
`01:50.22`	`purple_cow`	`code...error?`
`01:50.25`	`purple_cow`	`you mean bug?`
`01:50.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`learner, you a dev?`
`01:50.29`	`BenUrban`	`there's more than that`
`01:50.30`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yes`
`01:50.31`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`01:50.35`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh`
`01:50.38`	`BenUrban`	`there are serious design flaws`
`01:50.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`is it falling apart?`
`01:50.43`	`learner`	`purple_cow, he means it doesn't compile, I bet`
`01:50.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`tell me about it`
`01:50.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no`
`01:50.56`	`learner`	`ah`
`01:50.58`	`justin21`	`He had some pretty substantial speedups.`
`01:51.13`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I mean it compiles, but there are library conflicts that prevent it from connecting to the list server and global login server!!!`
`01:51.22`	`learner`	`justin21, yeah, I read the paper (one of the guys referenced at the end)`
`01:51.33`	`Ice_Wewe`	`you want my debugging output?`
`01:51.36`	`learner`	`actually if you would, tell him I said thanks for the reference`
`01:52.10`	`justin21`	`sure`
`01:52.28`	`learner`	`you also in FL then I take it?`
`01:52.45`	`learner`	`ahh, never mind :)`
`01:52.53`	`Ice_Wewe`	`learner, here is the debugging output`
`01:52.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`http://pastebin.ca/11949`
`01:54.10`	`learner`	`Ice_Wewe, curl problem of some sort`
`01:54.10`	`learner`	`51 curl_easy_perform() error: 6`
`01:54.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so how can I fix this?`
`01:54.42`	`learner`	`i haven't been watching what all he's done lately, other than updating c-ares, so you'll just have to ask him`
`01:55.05`	`justin21`	`Yeah i go to FSU`
`01:55.12`	`Ice_Wewe`	`learner, can you help me with this?`
`01:55.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`darn`
`01:55.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Gentoo is giving me heat!`
`01:55.47`	`learner`	`Ice_Wewe, not really right now -- best to just wait for him`
`01:56.02`	`Ice_Wewe`	`pfffff I'll be on tomorrow, its late`
`01:56.04`	`learner`	`he usually wakes up in about 5 hours`
`01:56.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`and I probably have a exam tomorrow`
`01:56.13`	`Ice_Wewe`	`5 hours?!?!?`
`01:56.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what time zone is he in?`
`01:56.22`	`learner`	`can't the poor guy sleep?`
`01:56.25`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no`
`01:56.27`	`learner`	`italy`
`01:56.33`	`Ice_Wewe`	`he must appear on my command!`
`01:56.40`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh well I'm on EST`
`01:56.49`	`learner`	`you can stay up till 3`
`01:56.53`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no thanks`
`01:56.57`	`learner`	`i'll probably be awake then`
`01:57.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`01:57.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`you sleep typing?`
`01:57.11`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brb`
`01:57.41`	`learner`	`justin21, so what kind of research, if I might ask?`
`01:57.56`	`justin21`	`Ok, i tried to build. It gave me 19 fd_set has not been declared errors`
`01:58.24`	`justin21`	`right now i'm doing a DIS with hemant and dr. aggarwal on hemant's work`
`01:58.38`	`justin21`	`then we'll find some sort of networking research to do`
`01:58.43`	`learner`	`ahh, you're on tiger`
`01:58.49`	`justin21`	`yeah`
`01:58.53`	`learner`	`there's a fix for that in cvs`
`01:59.04`	`learner`	`or you can make the edit yourself if you like`
`01:59.08`	`learner`	`one-liner`
`02:00.04`	`Ice_Wewe`	`haha Tiger guy!`
`02:00.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hhehehheheh did you hear?`
`02:00.24`	`Ice_Wewe`	`TigerDirect is sueing Apple for using the name "Tiger"`
`02:00.36`	`justin21`	`should it be declared in each file i get the error in?`
`02:00.40`	`justin21`	`they lost that suit`
`02:00.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`they did?`
`02:00.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`awww`
`02:00.54`	`justin21`	`i'm pretty sure it was thrown out`
`02:00.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`02:01.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`morons`
`02:01.16`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I'm not running Tiger, my iBook is slow enough as it is`
`02:01.22`	`Ice_Wewe`	`running Panther`
`02:01.59`	`learner`	`justin21, no, one of bz's preprocessor symbols (_FD_SET) is now also used by the new tiger headers -- they conflict with each other`
`02:02.14`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hhehe`
`02:02.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Candy Shop!`
`02:02.29`	`learner`	`tiger's faster than panther`
`02:02.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`really?`
`02:02.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`even though my CPU is running at the same speed!`
`02:02.49`	`learner`	`in most things at least`
`02:02.58`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`02:03.14`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I'll just get a lince when my dad gets a new PowerBook`
`02:03.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`he hates OS X, he runs linux`
`02:03.35`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so hello free OS!`
`02:03.57`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Doh!`
`02:03.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I g2g`
`02:04.00`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bye`
`02:04.05`	`justin21`	`i got it pretty cheap with the educational discount, $70`
`02:04.12`	`Ice_Wewe`	`you in the US?`
`02:04.21`	`justin21`	`yea`
`02:04.23`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lucky`
`02:04.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`they don't do that in Canada`
`02:04.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`PFFF!`
`02:04.48`	`orchid`	`Ice_Wewe: they do`
`02:04.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`really?`
`02:04.58`	`orchid`	`you have to prove you have an education`
`02:05.00`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`02:05.08`	`Ice_Wewe`	`like thats hard`
`02:05.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`2+2`
`02:05.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`but seriouly, how do I prove that?`
`02:05.33`	`learner`	`justin21, try this on the command line from the bzflag directory: find . -type f -exec perl -pi -e 's/_FD_SET/__FD_SET/' {} \;`
`02:05.37`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I don't have like a card that tell them I do`
`02:05.58`	`Ice_Wewe`	`public school blows`
`02:07.09`	`justin21`	`it was just that one extra _ ?`
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`02:07.24`	`learner`	`they use _FD_SET, so that just makes bz use __FD_SET`
`02:07.50`	`learner`	`the real fix in cvs was to get rid of it altogether, but that's not as easily scripted`
`02:07.57`	`justin21`	`yeah`
`02:08.21`	`justin21`	`i should setup cvs`
`02:08.36`	`learner`	`justin21, feel free to add the files to the xcode project for browsing or editing, etc .. don't think it'll cause a problem`
`02:08.47`	`learner`	`so long as the files don't get added to any of the targets`
`02:09.00`	`learner`	`and just get added to the project`
`02:10.08`	`learner`	`i would normally say cvs, but there were some changes made this morning that haven't been tested`
`02:14.56`	`wizart`	`justin21, a small letter signed by the school secretary should do the trick.`
`02:21.22`	`learner`	`that reminds me of something`
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`02:21.57`	`learner`	`anyone interested in a slightly off-topic math proof quiz that 2 = 1 ?`
`02:22.56`	`blast007`	`:)`
`02:22.59`	`justin21`	`is there supposed to be a ; after namespace Blah{} ?`
`02:23.19`	`justin21`	`i'm pretty sure there isnt`
`02:24.43`	`learner`	`"supposed to be" as in required, no`
`02:24.49`	`learner`	`but should it cause a problem, no`
`02:25.11`	`justin21`	`hmm, i keep getting errors for it`
`02:25.21`	`justin21`	`has anyone compiled using gcc 4 yet?`
`02:26.50`	`learner`	`yes`
`02:27.05`	`learner`	`i compiled it all up on tiger after it was released`
`02:27.15`	`learner`	`what's the error?`
`02:27.36`	`justin21`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:28.27`	`justin21`	`in textutils.h and playerinfo.h so far`
`02:31.31`	`learner`	`hmm.. even my g++ standard C headers include a trailing ; although this system here isn't tiger`
`02:33.54`	`justin21`	`hmm, PlayerInfo.h line 223, there's a ; after the definition of a function`
`02:34.03`	`justin21`	`is that ok too?`
`02:34.40`	`justin21`	`i guess it is`
`02:35.01`	`learner`	`that one's definately unnecessary`
`02:35.58`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/PlayerInfo.h: lil bugger ; snuck in`
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`02:36.39`	`justin21`	`oh cool did i just find a bug?`
`02:37.33`	`learner`	`not really a bug, just an extraneous ;`
`02:37.37`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: gcc4 is complaining about the trailing semi after namespaces`
`02:37.54`	`justin21`	`still cool`
`02:38.26`	`justin21`	`its complaining in a bunch of files, i keep fixing them then it tells me a new one`
`02:39.02`	`learner`	`that's what I was referring to, if you work closely with us on DR changes that are tested and work, we can get them into CVS pretty easily`
`02:39.18`	`learner`	`maybe even make a branch for isolated development`
`02:39.42`	`justin21`	`i'll talk to hemant about submitting his work to it`
`02:40.49`	`learner`	`we have a couple of the topics that we discussed with him a while back already implemented`
`02:40.58`	`learner`	`like timestamped position updates`
`02:41.06`	`learner`	`but the server isn't really doing anything with them yet`
`02:41.21`	`justin21`	`I'm very new to all this. Where exactly is all the DR code locatd?`
`02:41.36`	`learner`	`it used to be all in the client`
`02:41.45`	`learner`	`but it's now a mix with some in the client, some in the server`
`02:43.29`	`learner`	`the client code is in src/bzflag, server code is in src/bzfs`
`02:43.51`	`learner`	`the principal files are bzflag.cxx and playing.cxx in src/bzflag and bzfs.cxx in src/bzfs`
`02:44.23`	`learner`	`where things have been converted to objects and classes is where most of the rest of the files come from`
`02:44.42`	`justin21`	`thank you`
`02:45.34`	`learner`	`src/common is where application agnostic stuff goes, src/platform has the platform-dependant code`
`02:45.55`	`learner`	`src/game is the start of a game (server and/or client) engine`
`02:49.41`	`justin21`	`cool, thanks. Btw, what is your name so i can mention it to Hemant tomorrow?`
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`03:30.02`	`brlcad`	`woo hoo.. supreme court overruled prohibition on direct shipments of wine`
`03:35.14`	`purple_cow`	`domestic wine is crappy anyway ;)`
`03:39.43`	`jpa-`	`morning`
`04:06.33`	`brlcad`	`there's lots of good domestic wine, it's just harder to find`
`04:06.38`	`orange`	`easier now`
`04:07.52`	`purple_cow`	`yeah, i just can't be bothered right now, since i can get just about anything from france or italy and be happy`
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`05:22.05`	`brlcad`	`~bzflist`
`05:30.27`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`hello`
`05:30.35`	`brlcad`	`much better`
`05:30.50`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`:)`
`05:30.59`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`Hey it has smileys`
`05:31.02`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`lol`
`05:31.11`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`I'm easily amused sometimes`
`05:31.36`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`hey I just did, how'd you know`
`05:31.37`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`lol`
`05:31.48`	`brlcad`	`~spell somersault`
`05:32.04`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`cool`
`05:32.13`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`it fixed it for you`
`05:32.29`	`brlcad`	`actually it just told me I was right`
`05:32.37`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~spell yellow`
`05:32.51`	`brlcad`	`~spell bananna`
`05:32.54`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`yea aint we smart`
`05:32.59`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`darn`
`05:33.13`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~spell spell`
`05:33.45`	`Pimpi`	`~literal spell`
`05:34.01`	`brlcad`	`it's not a factoid :)`
`05:34.14`	`Pimpi`	`just wondered`
`05:34.21`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~spell Yeekf`
`05:34.33`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`didnt know it was a word`
`05:35.17`	`brlcad`	`~info bzflag`
`05:35.20`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`having fun for hours on end with a spell bot`
`05:35.42`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`wow`
`05:35.49`	`brlcad`	`she's not a spell bot`
`05:35.49`	`Pimpi`	`it is none ibot knows of, thats why it gives you possible spellings`
`05:35.58`	`Pimpi`	`~gender`
`05:36.00`	`ibot`	`I'm male`
`05:36.06`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`haha`
`05:36.11`	`Pimpi`	`~gender`
`05:36.13`	`ibot`	`I'm lesbian`
`05:36.13`	`brlcad`	`she's confused sometimes`
`05:36.18`	`Pimpi`	`;)`
`05:36.21`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`yea I see`
`05:36.35`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`I'd say`
`05:36.40`	`Pimpi`	`~literal gender`
`05:36.41`	`ibot`	`"gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay\|lesbian\|female\|sexless\|male\|hermaphroditic\|pregnant\|not sure)"`
`05:36.43`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~mind`
`05:36.45`	`ibot`	`methinks mind is an aweful thing to waste`
`05:36.55`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`true true`
`05:37.19`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~easter bunny`
`05:37.43`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`thats funny`
`05:37.51`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`sh's or its a little of everything`
`05:37.53`	`brlcad`	`only knows what she's been taught.. nobody's told her about the easter bunny yet`
`05:38.10`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`lol`
`05:38.14`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~1-800`
`05:38.15`	`ibot`	`-799`
`05:38.35`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`calculator`
`05:38.53`	`brlcad`	`~bzflist`
`05:39.10`	`brlcad`	`~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158`
`05:39.35`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~yes`
`05:39.36`	`ibot`	`You don't say!`
`05:39.44`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~no`
`05:39.45`	`ibot`	`YES`
`05:40.00`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~alien`
`05:40.02`	`ibot`	`Converts between the rpm, dpkg, stampede slp, andslackware tgz file formats. URL: http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/`
`05:40.14`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~?`
`05:40.38`	`brlcad`	`follow the yellow brick link dorothy`
`05:41.02`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`yes too too`
`05:42.05`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`lol`
`05:42.26`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`divx
`05:42.30`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~divx`
`05:42.31`	`ibot`	`divx is probably a forn of MPEG4. or see transcode or see mencoder or see also "divx guide"`
`05:42.39`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~xvid`
`05:42.40`	`ibot`	`somebody said xvid was an mpeg4 video codec similar to divx. http://www.xvid.org see also transcode`
`05:43.30`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`hey`
`05:43.49`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`What do you think is the best Antivirus out there`
`05:44.08`	`brlcad`	`BeOS`
`05:44.13`	`brlcad`	`or maybe FreeBSD`
`05:44.24`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`Linux`
`05:44.38`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`ok, windows platform`
`05:44.55`	`brlcad`	`nah, there are a handful of linux virus', have to pick something less popular`
`05:45.19`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`linux hasnt gotten very popular yet`
`05:45.32`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`much popular than it was before though`
`05:45.39`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`much more stable`
`05:45.52`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`Bill Gates wants to be God`
`05:45.52`	`Tupone`	`~virus`
`05:45.53`	`ibot`	`virus is probably A program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent.`
`05:46.07`	`Tupone`	`Windows follow the definition`
`05:47.32`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`what prossessor "intel "amd"`
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`05:48.09`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`amd is mocing up I think`
`05:48.12`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`moving`
`05:48.28`	`brlcad`	`do you play bz?`
`05:48.50`	`Tupone`	`me? sometime`
`05:48.51`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`wha is bz?`
`05:48.59`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`what`
`05:49.01`	`brlcad`	`Tupone: =)`
`05:49.06`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`ohhhhh`
`05:49.50`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~spyware`
`05:51.23`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`doo you mind if I ask, what sort of game is it?`
`05:51.58`	`brlcad`	`it's a tank battle game`
`05:52.08`	`Tupone`	`nite brlcad`
`05:52.12`	`brlcad`	`you don't know what the game is, yet you join the irc channel for it? :)`
`05:52.14`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`cool, I just seen screenshots`
`05:52.24`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`lol`
`05:52.39`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`hey, I joined it cuz it sounded cool`
`05:52.48`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`am I quilty`
`05:52.52`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`guilty`
`05:53.12`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`hold on I'll get my lawyer`
`05:53.15`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`_lawyer`
`05:53.20`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~lawyer`
`05:54.25`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`doesnt look like he'll show lol`
`05:54.32`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~lawyer`
`05:54.36`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`oh well`
`05:55.52`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`You like Edonkey?`
`05:56.05`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`Emucle`
`05:56.10`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`Emule`
`05:56.29`	`brlcad`	`no`
`05:56.51`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`If I studderd as much as I messed up,,,`
`05:57.07`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`Shareaza`
`05:58.16`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`WinMx`
`05:58.36`	`brlcad`	`i have little need for p2p software`
`05:59.23`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`I just got connected today, I got kicked off mu old IP becouse I shared too many Movies and such`
`06:00.03`	`brlcad`	`not sure that's something you should be proud of`
`06:00.09`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`I'm not`
`06:00.51`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`this is the last DSL provider in my area so, I'm being good`
`06:01.47`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`wasnt coming off as bragging`
`06:02.05`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`just was on my mind`
`06:02.23`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`so where you from?`
`06:02.29`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`lol`
`06:03.31`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`hmmm maybe If I have a good proxy.... "dreaming"`
`06:03.54`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~proxy`
`06:03.55`	`ibot`	`hmm... proxy is This is commonly a form of Internet security. You can use a proxy or proxy server to pass data between your internal network and the Internet. A machine on your network sends a request to the proxy. The proxy sends the request to a server on the Internet. Thus, it stands in for the computer on your network. The server on the Internet never knows ...`
`06:04.08`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~socks`
`06:04.09`	`ibot`	`[socks] A protocol for communication through a firewall or proxy server. The SOCKS protocol uses TCP/IP sockets for communication. SOCKS is supported by Navigator and IE and allows them to communicate through proxy servers and firewalls, assuming the user has proper privileges to do so.`
`06:05.12`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~Internet Relay CHat`
`06:06.40`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~anonymous`
`06:07.04`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`brlcad u there?`
`06:08.37`	`creeperz`	`holy crap`
`06:08.47`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`what?`
`06:09.38`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~red`
`06:09.41`	`ibot`	`from memory, red is 4red`
`06:10.39`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`~nod32`
`06:11.00`	`brlcad`	`yes, though not for much longer`
`06:11.18`	`brlcad`	`try to keep the ibot questions to a minimum in the channel, some people will get very annoyed with it quickly`
`06:11.18`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`ok, well thanks for showing me some stuff on here`
`06:11.33`	`brlcad`	`you can send a private message to ibot and she'll give you the same answers`
`06:11.36`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`yea I figured that... just playing around`
`06:12.15`	`Zero_One_Zero`	`I am fixin to go to, I'm just going to quit this IRC stuff`
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`06:32.22`	`Nidhoggr_`	`:)`
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`06:43.11`	`_Manu_`	`jolie, buenos dias!`
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`10:05.37`	`Tupone`	`jolie :)`
`10:06.27`	`fabianne`	`tupotipi`
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`10:57.44`	`fabianne`	`Tupone: what did you say yesterday about my xinerama prob?`
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`11:00.19`	`Tupone`	`I said that Sean had a problem with its equivalent, and was fixed`
`11:00.46`	`fabianne`	`and how?`
`11:00.47`	`Tupone`	`and you had to see if xinerama is supported looking or googling at libSDL`
`11:01.01`	`fabianne`	`hmrrrr****`
`11:02.09`	`Tupone`	`I don't have a Mac and I think Sean display bzflag in just one monitor, the other being used for other application. So I guess bzflag is now displaying in just one monitor`
`11:05.38`	`Tupone`	`all window interaction is managed with libSDL in linux. Writing inside the window is done directly through openGL. That is why I asked you to google libSDL and xinerama`
`11:06.07`	`fabianne`	`i did`
`11:06.10`	`fabianne`	`..***..`
`11:06.21`	`Tupone`	`nothing?`
`11:06.39`	`fabianne`	`>_<`
`11:06.52`	`fabianne`	`ok ill talk to you in while i have to work now... :***`
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`11:41.25`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Hey Tupone!`
`11:41.40`	`Ice_Wewe`	`learner said you'd be up by now`
`11:42.15`	`Ice_Wewe`	`or not`
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`12:50.06`	`Tupone`	`Ice_Wewe_Away: I'm up, but no big question now :/`
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`12:57.25`	`Thumper_`	`morning Tupone`
`12:58.14`	`Tupone`	`morning`
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`13:27.10`	`Tupone`	`jolie jolie`
`13:27.18`	`jolie`	`tupotopi`
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`13:57.03`	`TheRedBaron`	`o.0`
`13:57.18`	`Grumbler`	`sheesh....give the guy a little time to get going this morning before freaking him out`
`13:59.05`	`TheRedBaron`	`what a way to wake up.`
`13:59.13`	`jolie`	`damm you all.`
`13:59.14`	`jolie`	`;)`
`13:59.50`	`jolie`	`now you all shoooosh :P`
`14:00.43`	`TheRedBaron`	`a glass of water isn't going cut it now...`
`14:01.14`	`jolie`	`muhahaha`
`14:01.59`	`menotume`	`oh my !`
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`14:02.20`	`Grumbler`	`hey.......you kids keep it down, i am trying to eat my oatmeal`
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`14:23.10`	`TheRedBaron`	`Chestal, Ping`
`14:24.13`	`Grumbler`	`grrr, man, some software people need a kick in the pants`
`14:25.06`	`TheRedBaron`	`thats pretty mild...`
`14:25.10`	`Birdie`	`a windows specialist who can print, protected from print pdf files ping`
`14:25.52`	`Birdie`	`with a 128 bits encryption password:( *`
`14:26.48`	`Grumbler`	`for this one piece of software, you have to enter the signal position of each signal around the core as a function of cell channels.......the jist is, if you have to move a signal from one channel to another, you have to use this little gui up/down arrow......and it does nt all you to hold it down and move, and it doesnt allow you to double click and type i n the value`
`14:27.32`	`Grumbler`	`so to move a 32 bits from channel 132 to 1, you have to click 4,096 times............arrrrrgggg`
`14:28.16`	`TheRedBaron`	`oh come one grumbo, I'm sure you've clicked that many times, playing on bz.`
`14:29.07`	`Grumbler`	`TheRedBaron, be careful....i will drive to FL and kick you butt......`
`14:29.24`	`Grumbler`	`Birdie, have you tried the openoffice converters`
`14:30.28`	`Grumbler`	`i have gotten around encryption before using those....but it was a couple years ago a nd I dont know if it was 128`
`14:31.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`Grumbler, hey, I'm not the software man that needs the kick!`
`14:32.25`	`Grumbler`	`heh`
`14:34.41`	`TheRedBaron`	`ok now its my turn... whoever made this scanner, should have a better buffer system!`
`14:35.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`when sending a 25 page report through, and the last paper jams... I lose the info on all the previous 24 pages, necessitating a complete re-scan!`
`14:36.09`	`TheRedBaron`	`very inefficient...`
`14:42.21`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, those mechanical engineers are a real pain. ;)`
`14:43.05`	`TheRedBaron`	`you are a pathetic sympathizer.... ;)`
`14:46.01`	`Grumbler`	`i am just trying to be consistent in life`
`14:48.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`Consistency... i guess thats a quality in life...`
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`15:10.18`	`Chestal`	`TheRedBaron: pong?`
`15:12.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`Chestal. PM?`
`15:20.56`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: consistency`
`15:22.46`	`ruskie`	`pdf2ps :)`
`15:22.51`	`ruskie`	`hmmm`
`15:22.55`	`ruskie`	`when did I pgup here...`
`15:22.57`	`ruskie`	`gaaahhhh`
`15:23.00`	`ruskie`	`I hate crummy stuf`
`15:24.25`	`jolie`	`get a beard .. will hide it all :D`
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`16:12.44`	`CBG`	`Morning all.`
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`18:38.39`	`Birdie`	`some one knows if you can op post script files in windows xp?`
`18:38.42`	`Birdie`	`i ping that guy`
`18:39.01`	`fabianne`	`Birdie Birdie <3<3`
`18:39.20`	`Birdie`	`jolie jolie <3<3`
`18:41.48`	`ToughShooter`	`Is this normal or is it only due to my OS-update? http://pastebin.com/285718`
`18:42.17`	`BearPerson`	`ToughShooter, did you mv your sources around recently?`
`18:42.37`	`ToughShooter`	`Not that I know`
`18:43.14`	`BearPerson`	`well, I fixed it by deleting caches and stuff`
`18:43.16`	`ToughShooter`	`I've checked again and the sources are at same POSIX path`
`18:43.33`	`BearPerson`	`not sure if it was the move or versions changing that caused it here`
`18:43.48`	`ToughShooter`	`make distclean fails, too`
`18:43.54`	`BearPerson`	`yeah, I know`
`18:44.00`	`BearPerson`	`had the same`
`18:44.21`	`BearPerson`	`rm -r autom4te.cache`
`18:44.38`	`ToughShooter`	`I'm already doing a fresh checkout`
`18:45.09`	`BearPerson`	`okay, with the caches cleaned it should run then`
`18:47.39`	`ToughShooter`	`Seems to work now :)`
`18:48.26`	`BearPerson`	`:)`
`18:48.27`	`apj`	`lalalal`
`18:50.52`	`ToughShooter`	`I still wonder why my bzflag executeable is 33MB big and doesn't contain all needed libs`
`18:51.33`	`ToughShooter`	`e.g. before I reinstalled libsdl it failed to launch where the official one had no problems`
`18:52.15`	`ToughShooter`	`Could it be different optimization settings?`
`18:52.19`	`BearPerson`	`could`
`18:52.27`	`BearPerson`	`try stripping it`
`18:52.41`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, how?`
`18:52.54`	`BearPerson`	`/usr/games/bzflag: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped`
`18:53.08`	`BearPerson`	`what does "file /usr/games/bzflag" give you?`
`18:53.13`	`ToughShooter`	`I don't know how to change it, only know it from within IDEs`
`18:53.47`	`BearPerson`	`try "strip -s /usr/games/bzflag"`
`18:54.08`	`ToughShooter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:54.08`	`apj`	`ToughShooter: it is unstripped if you have just copied it from src/bzflag or compiled with debug..`
`18:54.14`	`apj`	`but anyway, it just takes more disk space, not all that gets loaded into memory`
`18:54.19`	`BearPerson`	`yeah, strip removes debug symbols, in case you were planning to use it`
`18:54.24`	`BearPerson`	`s/it/them/`
`18:55.23`	`ToughShooter`	`http://pastebin.com/285726 :/`
`18:57.23`	`ToughShooter`	`It doesn't seem to be POSIX path, either http://pastebin.com/285728`
`18:58.16`	`BearPerson`	`hmm`
`18:58.39`	`BearPerson`	`weird`
`18:58.40`	`ToughShooter`	`I haven't changed any line of source code`
`18:59.04`	`BearPerson`	`I have GNU strip 2.15`
`18:59.46`	`BenUrban`	`ToughShooter: remove the headers from the Resources folder`
`19:00.03`	`ToughShooter`	`http://pastebin.com/285732 doesn't look so good, either`
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`19:00.32`	`BearPerson`	`hmm. Are you using the GNU tools?`
`19:00.47`	`*** join/#bzflag TheRedBaron (~d8ada652@genesis.concept69.de)`
`19:01.46`	`ToughShooter`	`Dunno, nothing in man page about this but it says it couldn't strip all mach-o executables`
`19:02.19`	`BenUrban`	`ToughShooter: try passing --disable-maintainer-mode to the configure script`
`19:02.30`	`BenUrban`	`i think that's the option`
`19:02.36`	`ToughShooter`	`It came with OS X 10.4 if this helps`
`19:03.28`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`19:03.48`	`BenUrban`	`what files are in Contents/Resources?`
`19:04.28`	`BearPerson`	`okay`
`19:04.39`	`BearPerson`	`try compiling with -s added to LDFLAGS`
`19:04.49`	`ToughShooter`	`BenUrban: http://pastebin.com/285736`
`19:04.59`	`BearPerson`	`export LDFLAGS="-s" before ./configure and pals`
`19:05.13`	`BenUrban`	`rats`
`19:05.19`	`BenUrban`	`nearly all of those are necessary`
`19:05.24`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, I first try this maintainer thingy`
`19:05.29`	`BenUrban`	`ooh`
`19:05.33`	`BenUrban`	`remove the CVS dir4`
`19:05.35`	`BenUrban`	`*dir`
`19:05.39`	`BenUrban`	`and .cvsignore`
`19:05.48`	`ToughShooter`	`?`
`19:06.02`	`ToughShooter`	`--disable-maintainer-mode hadn't helped`
`19:06.02`	`BenUrban`	`CVS contains a whole lotta CVS data`
`19:06.07`	`BenUrban`	`heh, figured it wouldn't`
`19:06.15`	`BenUrban`	`since it's the default`
`19:06.17`	`BenUrban`	`afaik`
`19:06.31`	`BenUrban`	`but CVS is what's taking up so much space`
`19:06.45`	`bryjen`	`uhm..`
`19:07.06`	`apj`	`umm... how does cvs get into binary?`
`19:07.08`	`ToughShooter`	`I still doesn't even compile :(`
`19:07.11`	`BenUrban`	`easy`
`19:07.28`	`bryjen`	`the CVS dirs here contain 4 tiny text files`
`19:07.32`	`BenUrban`	`it's part of the dir that gets copied into the Resources folder`
`19:08.12`	`TheRedBaron`	`~slap toughshooter`
`19:08.13`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps toughshooter, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`19:08.13`	`BenUrban`	`obviously it doesn't like -Wstrict-prototypes`
`19:08.54`	`ToughShooter`	`~bzfrag TheRedBaron`
`19:08.55`	`ibot`	`ACTION skewers TheRedBaron with a super bullet`
`19:09.02`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`19:09.07`	`BearPerson`	`BenUrban, the big thing is the bzflag binary, not the bzflag directory`
`19:09.16`	`BenUrban`	`that's posible too`
`19:09.28`	`BearPerson`	`[20:50:53]<ToughShooter> I still wonder why my bzflag executeable is 33MB big and doesn't contain all needed libs`
`19:09.38`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:09.42`	`BearPerson`	`...`
`19:10.11`	`ToughShooter`	`I don't say I've not enough space, just being curious`
`19:10.13`	`BenUrban`	`hmph what's the command to get the size of an entire dir?`
`19:10.18`	`TheRedBaron`	`~slap apj`
`19:10.19`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps apj, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`19:10.19`	`BearPerson`	`du -hs`
`19:10.24`	`BenUrban`	`thanks`
`19:10.28`	`BearPerson`	`~slap himself`
`19:10.29`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps himself, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`19:10.37`	`BenUrban`	`wow`
`19:10.41`	`BenUrban`	`mine's only 14m`
`19:10.48`	`BearPerson`	`mine is like 2`
`19:10.52`	`BenUrban`	`compiled from release`
`19:11.03`	`TheRedBaron`	`if at first you don't suceed, use a bigger slap`
`19:11.05`	`BenUrban`	`BearPerson: you're talking about just the binary`
`19:11.07`	`TheRedBaron`	`~whaleslap apj`
`19:11.08`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps apj upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`19:11.11`	`BenUrban`	`ROFLMFAO`
`19:11.41`	`BearPerson`	`bzflag needs a /slap - teleport player to random map location`
`19:11.47`	`BenUrban`	`lmap`
`19:11.48`	`bryjen`	`hugh, and only hugh....`
`19:11.49`	`BenUrban`	`*lmao`
`19:12.09`	`TheRedBaron`	`:)`
`19:12.52`	`BenUrban`	`BearPerson: my client binary is 2mb`
`19:12.58`	`BenUrban`	`at least on my dad's comp`
`19:13.07`	`BenUrban`	`but the .app contains much more`
`19:13.22`	`BenUrban`	`ooh`
`19:13.27`	`BenUrban`	`it even has embedded frameworks`
`19:13.36`	`BenUrban`	`including SDL.framework`
`19:14.01`	`BenUrban`	`ack`
`19:14.02`	`BenUrban`	`*grubby`
`19:14.14`	`ToughShooter`	`~x en de grubby`
`19:14.18`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:14.22`	`bryjen`	`dirty`
`19:14.23`	`ToughShooter`	`~dict grubby`
`19:14.26`	`BenUrban`	`~slap ibot`
`19:14.27`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps ibot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`19:14.34`	`apj`	`BenUrban: let me hold your hand`
`19:14.44`	`BenUrban`	`~whaleslap apj`
`19:14.45`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps apj upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`19:14.50`	`BearPerson`	`~whaleslap his toes`
`19:14.51`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps his toes upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`19:14.54`	`apj`	`:/`
`19:15.04`	`ToughShooter`	`Man, there are plenty of redundant ";"s that prevent gcc from compiling`
`19:16.37`	`apj`	`whoah, there is sun!`
`19:16.42`	`apj`	`i see the sun!`
`19:17.04`	`apj`	`actually no.. i see just the sunset`
`19:17.24`	`TheRedBaron`	`the proverbial light at the end of your tunnel turned out to be a train?`
`19:17.51`	`*** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (dbharris@ElectricElf.developer.debian)`
`19:17.57`	`BearPerson`	`ToughShooter, no missing headers causing these?`
`19:18.08`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:18.33`	`ToughShooter`	`BearPerson: Are you using gcc4?`
`19:18.40`	`BearPerson`	`not yet`
`19:18.43`	`BenUrban`	`BearPerson: 42`
`19:18.44`	`ToughShooter`	`I do`
`19:19.41`	`apj`	`BenUrban: is that your age or your IQ?`
`19:20.23`	`Birdie`	`http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?showtopic=10988`
`19:20.27`	`Birdie`	`death valley = yugi`
`19:20.31`	`BearPerson`	`IQ == outside temperature`
`19:20.37`	`creeperz`	`lol`
`19:20.50`	`BenUrban`	`directly proportional?`
`19:20.51`	`TheRedBaron`	`in celcius or farenhient?`
`19:21.01`	`ToughShooter`	`Kelvin?`
`19:21.02`	`BearPerson`	`Birdie, hey, we know that guy`
`19:21.21`	`BearPerson`	`who's yugi again?`
`19:21.30`	`Birdie`	`au dont say you forgot him`
`19:21.34`	`Birdie`	`the racist reporter on hepcat`
`19:21.45`	`Birdie`	`the one that joined irc with: 'YOU CANT BAN THE YUGI'`
`19:21.56`	`BearPerson`	`"Reported by Saturn: i wanna to become a cop on the viper server"`
`19:22.17`	`*** join/#bzflag ruffle (~rhino@136.49.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch)`
`19:22.20`	`Birdie`	`and he asked it on hepcat forum to`
`19:22.26`	`BearPerson`	`when do they realize that the best cops are those that don't want to be cops...`
`19:22.42`	`TheRedBaron`	`they rarely do.`
`19:22.47`	`BearPerson`	`never intended to be one, and look at me, cop on viper`
`19:23.25`	`BenUrban`	`BearPerson: have you ever read the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy?`
`19:23.28`	`BearPerson`	`I always tell them "You fail the most basic of requirements: Don't ask"`
`19:23.31`	`BearPerson`	`BenUrban, I have`
`19:23.33`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`19:23.36`	`TheRedBaron`	`Good read`
`19:23.37`	`BenUrban`	`that explains it :P`
`19:23.44`	`*** join/#bzflag jpa- (jpa@lakka.kapsi.fi)`
`19:24.29`	`BearPerson`	`people that ask for admin status want it for a reason (coolness/ego/whatever) => bad cop`
`19:24.39`	`BenUrban`	`yep`
`19:24.47`	`BenUrban`	`unless it's boredom :P`
`19:25.13`	`BearPerson`	`people that like to play and play regularly accept cop status if asked, because they like to give something back to the community`
`19:25.20`	`BenUrban`	`and it was granted :D`
`19:25.22`	`BearPerson`	`:)`
`19:25.32`	`TheRedBaron`	`the one server i asked to be admin on, (its no longer up) was because there were no other admins, I like the server, and it was plagued with trolls`
`19:25.52`	`BearPerson`	`yeah`
`19:25.59`	`jpa-`	`i give admin status to people ask they or not... if they are worth it`
`19:26.00`	`BearPerson`	`that'd be one reason`
`19:26.05`	`BenUrban`	`trouble is, i got bored with being an admin within a week`
`19:26.13`	`BearPerson`	`lol`
`19:26.16`	`jpa-`	`it is just difficult to know who knows admin commands etc. and who doesn't`
`19:26.16`	`BenUrban`	`so i switched to a more interesting game`
`19:26.30`	`BenUrban`	`every so often i come back there`
`19:26.37`	`BenUrban`	`but i'm no longer an admin :/`
`19:26.43`	`BearPerson`	`but I guess "Can I be admin?" vs. "Need some help there?" can usually be recognized`
`19:26.53`	`Grumbler`	`hey, i want to be an admin on gamesunited as well.......but i am a horrible person.....what da ya say. :)`
`19:27.04`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`19:27.36`	`Grumbler`	`....general rule of thumb, if you ask to be an admin, you dont deserve to be an admin`
`19:27.38`	`jpa-`	`BearPerson: forget about "make me cop" "wyh not i good cop"`
`19:27.48`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:28.08`	`BearPerson`	`Grumbler, right`
`19:28.19`	`BearPerson`	`yeah`
`19:28.23`	`jpa-`	`and those trying to trick other admins "what is the password i forgot it"..like someone uses /password anymore`
`19:28.27`	`TheRedBaron`	`Grumbo's usually right, but no one listens to him...`
`19:28.57`	`BearPerson`	`I would so rofl when with BenUrban's remark came a "foobar sets modes #bzflag BenUrban +o"`
`19:29.05`	`BenUrban`	`hehehe`
`19:29.50`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: what is the probability of this becoming a feature? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3785`
`19:30.26`	`BenUrban`	`ooh, that would be so sweet`
`19:32.24`	`*** join/#bzflag Optical-Delusion (~18036dea@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`19:32.44`	`BenUrban`	`BearPerson: you need a mixer`
`19:32.51`	`jpa-`	`bah`
`19:32.54`	`jpa-`	`wrong one`
`19:32.54`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`19:32.57`	`BenUrban`	`bear hug`
`19:32.58`	`Optical-Delusion`	`anybody wanna help me with server setup???`
`19:33.05`	`jpa-`	`no-one wants to hug BearPerson`
`19:33.08`	`BenUrban`	`LMAO`
`19:33.14`	`jpa-`	`Optical-Delusion: read the wiki`
`19:33.15`	`TheRedBaron`	`they have good reasons...`
`19:33.24`	`Optical-Delusion`	`ok`
`19:33.52`	`orange`	`~bzfs`
`19:33.54`	`ibot`	`hmm... bzfs is the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 and -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, also open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router also see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915`
`19:34.16`	`Optical-Delusion`	`cant open the port`
`19:34.26`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@198.150.76.4)`
`19:34.27`	`TheRedBaron`	`why not?`
`19:34.28`	`BenUrban`	`withot a port open, you can't run a server`
`19:34.30`	`BenUrban`	`of any kind`
`19:34.34`	`Optical-Delusion`	`firewall- been trying`
`19:34.42`	`Optical-Delusion`	`mcaffee`
`19:34.50`	`TheRedBaron`	`hmm hardware firewall or software?`
`19:34.53`	`TheRedBaron`	`hmm nvm`
`19:34.56`	`Optical-Delusion`	`software`
`19:35.12`	`BenUrban`	`does it work if you turn off the firewall entirely?`
`19:35.21`	`Optical-Delusion`	`ill try that`
`19:35.40`	`Optical-Delusion`	`how bad will security issues be?`
`19:35.47`	`jpa-`	`no xp firewall on, right?`
`19:35.56`	`Optical-Delusion`	`no`
`19:35.58`	`TheRedBaron`	`with bzflag? none! with IE, who knows? :)`
`19:36.00`	`jpa-`	`good`
`19:36.03`	`BenUrban`	`Optical-Delusion: if it's very temporary, i doubt anything bad will happen`
`19:36.13`	`Optical-Delusion`	`none thats the answer i wanted`
`19:36.17`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`19:36.21`	`BenUrban`	`you're running windows`
`19:36.25`	`BenUrban`	`i can't give you that answer`
`19:36.26`	`Optical-Delusion`	`n yes`
`19:36.27`	`orange`	`no other protection?`
`19:36.31`	`BenUrban`	`you're not safe even now`
`19:36.32`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`19:36.41`	`Optical-Delusion`	`macaffe virus-- i know`
`19:36.42`	`orange`	`without other protection I would not turn it off`
`19:36.50`	`Optical-Delusion`	`yeah`
`19:36.56`	`orange`	`(meaning a firewall, router, something)`
`19:37.02`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:37.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`bzflag won't open any pandora's box of safety... but Internet explorer...`
`19:37.06`	`BenUrban`	`nope :P`
`19:37.08`	`*** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (~Blue_Eyes@host230-152.pool62211.interbusiness.it)`
`19:37.24`	`CBG`	`People will always believe an admin over a ner player.`
`19:37.28`	`Optical-Delusion`	`i use macs religiously, kinda new to windoze`
`19:37.41`	`orange`	`CBG: ?`
`19:37.44`	`Optical-Delusion`	`why dont i just go to my mac`
`19:37.51`	`CBG`	`orange ?`
`19:37.55`	`BearPerson`	`though I wonder... bzflag probably has buffer overflows possible`
`19:37.57`	`BenUrban`	`Optical-Delusion: good idea :)`
`19:37.58`	`Optical-Delusion`	`it's older 450 megs imac`
`19:38.03`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`19:38.07`	`orange`	`CBG: I didn't understand what you said`
`19:38.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`you don't need much to run a server`
`19:38.12`	`BearPerson`	`CBG, I think we're missing context for that remark`
`19:38.15`	`orange`	`it didn't relate, plus it didn't make sense :-)`
`19:38.17`	`Optical-Delusion`	`windoze is brand new`
`19:38.17`	`TheRedBaron`	`just good solid bandwith`
`19:38.21`	`CBG`	`Ooops. sorry`
`19:38.31`	`BenUrban`	`Optical-Delusion: windoze has been around for a long while`
`19:38.32`	`CBG`	`I didnt mean to post it. Ignore it please. :(`
`19:38.44`	`TheRedBaron`	`Optical-delusion: you don't need a fast state of the art computer to run BZFS`
`19:38.47`	`CIA-5`	`BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: might as well fix the underline too`
`19:38.48`	`BearPerson`	`if you turn the curse filter off it needs a lot less`
`19:38.57`	`Optical-Delusion`	`n so bandwidth is sole determining factor???`
`19:39.00`	`TheRedBaron`	`an old one will do, what you do need, is some good bandwith`
`19:39.04`	`GvzEvxre`	`~n`
`19:39.05`	`ibot`	`i heard n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much`
`19:39.14`	`BenUrban`	`until the server starts acing more like a server and less like a hub, yes`
`19:39.15`	`Optical-Delusion`	`n yeah`
`19:39.16`	`CBG`	`I typed out something on two lines in a browser, copied to irc and typed /msg ibot x en de [COPIED TEXT] but the second line didnt go to ibot... :/`
`19:39.27`	`BenUrban`	`lmao @ n`
`19:39.47`	`TheRedBaron`	`BenUrban: How long have you been playing bz?`
`19:39.55`	`Optical-Delusion`	`ok ill get back to you---8 months`
`19:40.01`	`orange`	`cbg, this relates to death valley?`
`19:40.07`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`19:40.13`	`CBG`	`orange: yes...`
`19:40.14`	`BenUrban`	`several months now`
`19:40.16`	`BenUrban`	`off and on`
`19:40.23`	`orange`	`death valley = yugi`
`19:40.25`	`orange`	`he's not new`
`19:40.27`	`BenUrban`	`while my comp is broken and then fixed`
`19:40.30`	`BenUrban`	`again and again`
`19:40.32`	`orange`	`he's a long-time troublemaker`
`19:40.36`	`TheRedBaron`	`ahh... Not quite fallen to the "n" disease...`
`19:40.36`	`CBG`	`Relatively speaking...`
`19:40.37`	`orange`	`changing nicknames doesn't make him new`
`19:40.49`	`CBG`	`He denies that he is yugi...`
`19:40.55`	`orange`	`and yet, he is :-)`
`19:41.03`	`ToughShooter`	`He said it was him`
`19:41.17`	`BearPerson`	`I hate dynamic IPs...`
`19:41.22`	`ToughShooter`	`Via saying "perhaps there is another yugi"`
`19:41.32`	`BenUrban`	`does he have a dynamic ip or does he simply keep changing it?`
`19:41.33`	`CBG`	`eh...`
`19:41.40`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`19:41.55`	`BearPerson`	`you have a spammer but can't ban him because it's unregged nick and aol's IP`
`19:41.55`	`ToughShooter`	`simply do /ban 1440 yugi`
`19:42.07`	`ToughShooter`	`That's how I act against him`
`19:42.09`	`BearPerson`	`I usually do /ban 7d on them`
`19:42.19`	`BearPerson`	`a week ought to be about the lifetime of an AOL IP`
`19:42.26`	`ToughShooter`	`After 1 day IP is changed`
`19:42.31`	`BearPerson`	`in germany`
`19:42.33`	`BenUrban`	`oh...aol...`
`19:42.40`	`ToughShooter`	`So should rather do a hostban`
`19:42.45`	`BearPerson`	`rofl`
`19:42.50`	`BearPerson`	`ban all AOL users?`
`19:42.53`	`BenUrban`	`good idea`
`19:42.58`	`Grumbler`	`yes, ban all AOL`
`19:42.58`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`19:43.21`	`Grumbler`	`they dont know what they are doing anyhow`
`19:43.28`	`CBG`	`rofl`
`19:43.32`	`Grumbler`	`great for older folks though`
`19:43.49`	`ToughShooter`	`Is Yugi using AOHell now?`
`19:43.50`	`BenUrban`	`or else they wouldn't run bzflag at the same time as other graphics intensive apps`
`19:43.52`	`Grumbler`	`....and those that have "special" needs`
`19:44.16`	`BenUrban`	`(such as aol)`
`19:44.53`	`*** part/#bzflag ruffle (~rhino@136.49.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch)`
`19:45.55`	`Optical-Delusion`	`it gets to cache-control: no-cache then connection: close ----everything loads up to then`
`19:46.22`	`BearPerson`	`need udp and tcp`
`19:46.35`	`Optical-Delusion`	`well---`
`19:46.39`	`bryjen`	`"graphics intensive" ? i haven't looked at aol's client in a long while, but it was basicly a proprietary browser, a front-end for their service`
`19:46.52`	`BenUrban`	`well`
`19:47.06`	`BenUrban`	`i mean the main app`
`19:47.07`	`BenUrban`	`but then i haven't seen it in awhile`
`19:47.10`	`Optical-Delusion`	`turn on cache in client?`
`19:47.12`	`TheRedBaron`	`optical-delusion, what type of internet do you have? Broadband? dsl? cable? do you have a router?`
`19:47.16`	`Optical-Delusion`	`dsl`
`19:47.26`	`Optical-Delusion`	`router`
`19:47.35`	`BenUrban`	`maybe they removed the graphics intensive stuff`
`19:48.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`do you know how to open ports up with your router?`
`19:48.23`	`Optical-Delusion`	`thats it cant get the port open`
`19:48.31`	`Optical-Delusion`	`ill keep trying`
`19:48.39`	`TheRedBaron`	`how are you trying?`
`19:48.59`	`bryjen`	`it may download alot of 2D image crap^Wcontent, but that just uses bandwidth, and shouldn't tax the graphics card`
`19:49.02`	`Optical-Delusion`	`im using my windoze machine when i'd be far better off on my mac`
`19:49.21`	`Optical-Delusion`	`ill go to my mac`
`19:49.34`	`TheRedBaron`	`do you know how to access your router with the mac?`
`19:49.38`	`BenUrban`	`if they're both on the same router, it wouldn't work on the mac either`
`19:49.39`	`Optical-Delusion`	`yes`
`19:49.55`	`BenUrban`	`unless it already has a hole in its firewall`
`19:50.22`	`Optical-Delusion`	`ill get back to u from there going away for now`
`19:50.51`	`TheRedBaron`	`BenUrban: I think its more a user difficulty than a hardware or software incompatibility :)`
`19:51.51`	`BenUrban`	`of course`
`19:53.19`	`bryjen`	`"Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: close" are the last two lines of the check-in with the list server. You should get a callback from it (Player accept() from...) shortly thereafter`
`19:53.49`	`bryjen`	`the server mostly just sits there. you don't "see" it doing much.`
`19:54.56`	`ToughShooter`	`Can the removed ";"s cause problems on non-gcc4 compilers?`
`19:54.57`	`*** join/#bzflag ruffle_ (~chatzilla@136.49.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch)`
`19:55.17`	`ToughShooter`	`I would otherwise make a diff and upload it to sourceforge patches page`
`19:55.37`	`BenUrban`	`ToughShooter: if gcc4 is meant to continue the march towards stricter checking, it may well be a problem with non-gcc compilers`
`19:55.48`	`BenUrban`	`oh whoops i read that wrong`
`19:56.21`	`CBG`	`~dict pongos`
`19:56.59`	`blast007`	`~dict pongo`
`20:03.16`	`ToughShooter`	`BenUrban: I like the way locking currently works :-p`
`20:03.27`	`BenUrban`	`then it should be an option`
`20:03.36`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`20:04.49`	`*** join/#bzflag gina (~gigi@38.58-136-217.adsl.skynet.be)`
`20:05.03`	`gina`	`hi`
`20:05.07`	`BenUrban`	`hi`
`20:05.23`	`blast007`	`BenUrban: it would probably have to wait for a protocol break, cuz it changes gameplay`
`20:05.45`	`BenUrban`	`yeah but nobody has even changed its status from unresolved`
`20:06.00`	`BenUrban`	`s/unresolved/open/`
`20:06.16`	`TheRedBaron`	`blast007, you think they will wait for protocol break?`
`20:06.54`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, has my GM patch been considered to be good?`
`20:07.11`	`BenUrban`	`which one's yours?`
`20:07.26`	`ToughShooter`	`There wasn't any feedback, either`
`20:08.00`	`BenUrban`	`are you t-s?`
`20:08.23`	`blast007`	`TheRedBaron: I would assume they would _have_ to, because the change is quite dramatic`
`20:08.41`	`ToughShooter`	`http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1114032&group_id=3248&atid=303248`
`20:08.41`	`BenUrban`	`yeah it would change the way the game is played`
`20:09.39`	`gina`	`hi orchid`
`20:09.43`	`TheRedBaron`	`blast007, did the tracking protocol change with 1.10, or 2.0?`
`20:09.50`	`orchid`	`hello`
`20:10.38`	`blast007`	`TheRedBaron: hmm? tracking protocol?`
`20:11.29`	`TheRedBaron`	`blast007, sorry, not protocol... i meant wjen did the tracking style method, change?`
`20:11.49`	`BenUrban`	`what was it like before?`
`20:12.09`	`blast007`	`I haven't really noticed a change...then again, I rarely use GM anymore`
`20:12.51`	`blast007`	`I know there was a bug in 1.10.0 that prevented locking on to the player in slot 0, so there might have been changes in 1.10`
`20:13.13`	`TheRedBaron`	`BenUrban, its hard to explain. but there is a deffinant difference.`
`20:13.19`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`20:13.28`	`TheRedBaron`	`all I know, is that I like the old style best.`
`20:13.51`	`blast007`	`the old style wasn't necessarily better, just more familiar ;)`
`20:13.51`	`TheRedBaron`	`from 1.7g2, or 1.10.2 or.4`
`20:14.11`	`TheRedBaron`	`but familiar is handier :)`
`20:14.14`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`20:15.01`	`ToughShooter`	`~x de en Handy`
`20:15.13`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`20:15.16`	`blast007`	`:)`
`20:15.16`	`CBG`	`wtf??? rofl`
`20:15.20`	`ToughShooter`	`That's where bad translations lead`
`20:15.36`	`TheRedBaron`	`yup.`
`20:15.45`	`CBG`	`bad??? BAD??? thats far far beyond bad! lol`
`20:15.58`	`BenUrban`	`~x en de mobile phone`
`20:16.12`	`BenUrban`	`~x de en bewegliches Telefon`
`20:16.22`	`ToughShooter`	`Babelfish has some problems`
`20:16.27`	`BenUrban`	`obviously :P`
`20:16.38`	`ToughShooter`	`~x de en Mobilfunktelefon`
`20:16.55`	`ToughShooter`	`ibot: nah, mobile phone`
`20:17.08`	`BenUrban`	`~whaleslap itself`
`20:17.10`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps itself upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`20:17.22`	`blast007`	`~x en de handy`
`20:17.24`	`gina`	`~x fr en gsm`
`20:17.28`	`CBG`	`Who named it hugh?`
`20:17.28`	`gina`	`LOL`
`20:17.34`	`BenUrban`	`ROFL`
`20:17.40`	`gina`	`handlich`
`20:18.14`	`CBG`	`~ x en mobile`
`20:18.25`	`CBG`	`oops. meant:`
`20:18.30`	`CBG`	`~x en de mobile`
`20:18.44`	`CBG`	`~x de en beweglich`
`20:20.09`	`BenUrban`	`ROFLMFAO`
`20:28.42`	`ToughShooter`	`~bzfrag all who used these ";"s too much`
`20:28.43`	`ibot`	`ACTION destroys all who used these ";"s too much with a guided missle`
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`20:30.01`	`gina`	`src/Makefile.am:1: required directory src/c-ares does not exist`
`20:30.01`	`gina`	configure.in:734: required file `src/c-ares/Makefile.in' not found
`20:30.03`	`gina`	`?`
`20:30.47`	`ToughShooter`	`gina: Are you using latest CVS?`
`20:31.01`	`gina`	`I did vcs update`
`20:31.06`	`gina`	`cvs`
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`20:31.22`	`BenUrban`	`try running autogen`
`20:31.27`	`gina`	`same error`
`20:31.35`	`Ice_Wewe`	`OS?`
`20:31.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what is your OS?`
`20:32.01`	`gina`	`/usr/share/aclocal/libreiser4.m4:14: warning: underquoted definition of AC_CHECK_LIBREISER4`
`20:32.04`	`gina`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:32.07`	`gina`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:32.09`	`gina`	`/usr/share/aclocal/libaal.m4:14: warning: underquoted definition of AC_CHECK_LIBAAL`
`20:32.10`	`ToughShooter`	`Spotlight shows me "Makefile", Makefile.am" and "Makefile.in" inside this dir`
`20:32.12`	`gina`	`/usr/share/aclocal/avifile.m4:21: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_AVIFILE`
`20:32.15`	`gina`	`/usr/share/aclocal/KXL.m4:6: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_KXL`
`20:32.18`	`gina`	`src/Makefile.am:1: required directory src/c-ares does not exist`
`20:32.20`	`gina`	configure.in:734: required file `src/c-ares/Makefile.in' not found
`20:32.23`	`gina`	`linx`
`20:32.38`	`ToughShooter`	`~pastebin`
`20:32.39`	`ibot`	`from memory, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca`
`20:33.07`	`gina`	`okok`
`20:34.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`gina, thats nice, what Distro?`
`20:35.13`	`gina`	`inux linux 2.6.8-24.14-default #1 Tue Mar 29 09:27:43 UTC 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux`
`20:35.44`	`gina`	`suse`
`20:37.25`	`Ice_Wewe`	`don't bother`
`20:37.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it wont work`
`20:37.36`	`gina`	`?`
`20:37.39`	`gina`	`why???`
`20:37.40`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I've tried`
`20:37.44`	`gina`	`why me???`
`20:37.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`to compile BZFlag`
`20:37.47`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it wont work`
`20:37.59`	`BenUrban`	`lol suse doesn't know the meaning of the word "compile"`
`20:38.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`exactly`
`20:38.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`gina, assuming you get your autogen to work, SuSE will not make a Client Binary`
`20:38.34`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it just wont`
`20:38.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`believe me,I tried`
`20:38.45`	`gina`	`it worked before!!`
`20:38.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`well it doesn't`
`20:38.55`	`BenUrban`	`from cvs?`
`20:39.02`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yes`
`20:39.17`	`ruskie`	`seem it's missing a few dirs though from that output...`
`20:39.24`	`bryjen`	`gina: cvs update -d`
`20:39.30`	`bryjen`	`to get any new directories`
`20:39.44`	`*** part/#bzflag fabianne (~alex@p54A734DF.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`20:40.56`	`bryjen`	`i get the "underquoted definition" messages here too (Slackware). they're warnings, it continues and builds`
`20:45.30`	`ToughShooter`	`http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1203872&group_id=3248&atid=303248`
`20:45.54`	`gina`	`bryjen: finally a good answer`
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`20:48.30`	`TheRedBaron`	`~seen silverfox`
`20:48.36`	`ibot`	`silverfox <vircuser@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9d 16h 37m 15s ago, saying: 'oops'.`
`20:50.02`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad , DTRemenak, bryjen, purple_cow opinions http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=36291#36291`
`20:50.35`	`JeffM2501`	`top is old`
`20:50.38`	`JeffM2501`	`bottom is new`
`20:52.37`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3785`
`20:53.06`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ok`
`20:53.08`	`JeffM2501`	`what of it?`
`20:53.22`	`TheRedBaron`	`what are the possibilities of it being implimented?`
`20:53.27`	`JeffM2501`	`in 2.0.x?`
`20:53.41`	`TheRedBaron`	`whatever version. I'm in no rush.`
`20:53.50`	`TheRedBaron`	`I just think its a handy feature`
`20:53.51`	`JeffM2501`	`woudl depend on somone just doing it`
`20:53.56`	`JeffM2501`	`the horn?`
`20:53.58`	`JeffM2501`	`handy?`
`20:54.03`	`JeffM2501`	`it's fluff`
`20:54.07`	`bryjen`	`horn if you're honky!`
`20:54.11`	`CBG`	`Lol.`
`20:54.15`	`TheRedBaron`	`and?`
`20:54.18`	`JeffM2501`	`it would not be hard to do`
`20:54.23`	`JeffM2501`	`somone would just have to do it`
`20:54.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it'd be a new message`
`20:54.31`	`JeffM2501`	`and a new sound file`
`20:54.33`	`JeffM2501`	`that's it`
`20:55.24`	`TheRedBaron`	`ok thats what i though.`
`20:55.31`	`TheRedBaron`	`*thought`
`20:55.49`	`JeffM2501`	`code it on up :)`
`20:56.05`	`JeffM2501`	`can't go into 2.0.x if it will screw up old clients tho`
`20:56.15`	`TheRedBaron`	`gee, that's a great idea !! why didn't i think of it? :P`
`20:56.47`	`TheRedBaron`	`what sound formats does bzflag use?`
`20:56.53`	`JeffM2501`	`wav`
`20:57.00`	`BenUrban`	`and wav`
`20:57.09`	`TheRedBaron`	`as in mono vs stereo, and 8bit or 16?`
`20:57.10`	`JeffM2501`	`in one specific bitrate`
`20:57.20`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC 16 bit mono 22khz`
`20:57.26`	`JeffM2501`	`just look at the existing ones`
`20:57.30`	`JeffM2501`	`what ever they are, that's it`
`20:57.35`	`TheRedBaron`	`ok`
`20:58.00`	`BenUrban`	`of course it would hvae to be bound to the spacebar by default`
`20:58.08`	`BenUrban`	`"You can never find a horn when you're mad"`
`20:58.16`	`TheRedBaron`	`no, flag drop is bound to space bar.`
`20:58.21`	`bryjen`	`the old insignia looks sharper, more detailed.`
`20:58.22`	`BenUrban`	`i know i know lol`
`20:58.33`	`JeffM2501`	`the old one is 8 bit`
`20:58.40`	`JeffM2501`	`do you like the old one better?`
`20:58.49`	`JeffM2501`	`is the new one to plasitcky?`
`20:59.10`	`CBG`	`The old is pixelated (is that a word?)...`
`20:59.16`	`BenUrban`	`aliased`
`20:59.20`	`BenUrban`	`and yes, it is`
`20:59.21`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be becuse it is 8 bit`
`20:59.50`	`CBG`	`And the new one?`
`20:59.57`	`BenUrban`	`32 probalby`
`21:00.02`	`JeffM2501`	`new one is 24 bit blended png`
`21:00.09`	`BenUrban`	`yup, 32`
`21:00.12`	`JeffM2501`	`with a full alpha`
`21:00.19`	`BenUrban`	`8+8+8+8`
`21:00.22`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's just biger`
`21:00.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yes BenUrban I know where you get 32`
`21:00.34`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`21:00.56`	`CBG`	`Can you show me the file sizes?`
`21:01.06`	`*** join/#bzflag Mr_Molz (~acd755aa@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`21:01.07`	`CBG`	`s/me/us`
`21:01.18`	`JeffM2501`	`refresh it`
`21:01.22`	`JeffM2501`	`less 3dness`
`21:01.30`	`JeffM2501`	`hopefully crisper`
`21:01.48`	`JeffM2501`	`took off some of the blends`
`21:01.57`	`*** join/#bzflag Master1 (~541f3d21@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`21:02.20`	`Master1`	`lo?`
`21:02.25`	`BenUrban`	`hi`
`21:02.30`	`CBG`	`hey`
`21:02.37`	`Mr_Molez`	`:p`
`21:03.00`	`Master1`	`sorry to barge in like this... anyone experienced in installing BzFlag?`
`21:03.09`	`BenUrban`	`barge in?`
`21:03.11`	`JeffM2501`	`under what OS?`
`21:03.15`	`BenUrban`	`this is an irc channel`
`21:03.20`	`BenUrban`	`there's no other way to enter`
`21:03.24`	`Master1`	`Creating a SuSE RPM`
`21:03.28`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`21:03.31`	`Master1`	`heh`
`21:03.34`	`Master1`	`hehe`
`21:03.36`	`Mr_Molez`	`why create an rpm ?`
`21:04.09`	`Mr_Molez`	`just compile the source :D`
`21:04.18`	`Master1`	`i wanna install in all computers for my kids, dont like compiling on every single computer ...`
`21:04.29`	`Master1`	`theyre identical...`
`21:04.29`	`Mr_Molez`	`compile it on 1`
`21:04.35`	`BenUrban`	`your kids use suse? shudder`
`21:04.36`	`CBG`	`The stats on my.bzflag.org/playerstats.php, are they just the last connect, or over some time?`
`21:04.40`	`Mr_Molez`	`then just copy over the compiled then do make install`
`21:05.10`	`BenUrban`	`Mr_Molez: doesn't work without make`
`21:05.10`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`21:05.13`	`Master1`	`idiot! (ME, that is!)`
`21:05.23`	`Mr_Molez`	`oh`
`21:05.32`	`BenUrban`	`i'd be willing to bet that suse doesn't include make in it's non-dev install`
`21:05.35`	`Master1`	`it's even easier in my case, now i think about it!`
`21:05.35`	`BenUrban`	`ack`
`21:05.37`	`BenUrban`	`*its`
`21:05.45`	`BenUrban`	`no you can't just copy the binary`
`21:05.53`	`Master1`	`nope,`
`21:06.13`	`Mr_Molez`	`doesnt the rpm command do it ?`
`21:06.33`	`Master1`	`but i have them on NIS and a shared NFS mount, so i only need compile once and the do a make install on every single computer`
`21:06.45`	`*** join/#bzflag tofu (~brlcad@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`21:06.52`	`tofu`	`purple_cow: eeekage`
`21:07.00`	`Master1`	`the rpmbuild works fine it seems, but...`
`21:07.08`	`BenUrban`	`that still doesn't explain how you can run make on a computer that doesn't have make`
`21:07.16`	`BenUrban`	`at least not to me`
`21:07.32`	`JeffM2501`	`not everyone follows your path`
`21:07.37`	`Mr_Molez`	`http://erizo.ucdavis.edu/~dmk/notes/RPMs/Creating_RPMs.html`
`21:07.38`	`Master1`	`it doesn't create /usr/bin/bzflag, which is rather essential i guess....`
`21:07.45`	`Mr_Molez`	`this link gives info on how to create rpm`
`21:07.51`	`JeffM2501`	`Master1, no it's not`
`21:07.57`	`Master1`	`i always install the devtools too!`
`21:08.01`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`21:08.10`	`JeffM2501`	`you only need the bzflag executable it's build by defult in the src/bzflag/ dir`
`21:08.11`	`Master1`	`Jeff?`
`21:08.13`	`BenUrban`	`then there should be no problem running make install on all of them`
`21:08.23`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag dosn't HAVE to run from bin`
`21:08.26`	`JeffM2501`	`it can run from anywhere`
`21:08.47`	`JeffM2501`	`not that I'm a suse build expert or anything`
`21:08.52`	`learner`	`purple_cow: we're very late apparently .. hotels are seriously booked up already`
`21:09.01`	`Master1`	`i understand, but there isn't a bzflag executable anywhere in the generated RPM`
`21:09.13`	`BenUrban`	`that's a problem`
`21:09.26`	`BenUrban`	`unless you made a src rpm`
`21:09.32`	`BenUrban`	`:D`
`21:09.40`	`Master1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.50`	`BenUrban`	`ok then that's just weird`
`21:09.54`	`Master1`	`hehe, no it was a genuine RPM allright`
`21:10.02`	`Master1`	`yeah it is weird`
`21:10.29`	`Mr_Molez`	`suse 9.3 has an rpm http://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.3/suse/i586/bzflag-debuginfo-2.0.0-3.i586.rpm although i dont know about its dependencies`
`21:10.33`	`Master1`	`looks like compilation missed some parts, but strange that it didn't complain...`
`21:11.02`	`Master1`	`i have suse 9.2 here but i can try.. thx for that!`
`21:11.13`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag will want a couple of things`
`21:11.25`	`JeffM2501`	`like libCURL, OpenGL and it will look for SDL`
`21:11.52`	`BenUrban`	`but of course you already have SDL and OpenGL in your kids' computers`
`21:11.57`	`BenUrban`	`right? :)`
`21:12.08`	`Master1`	`the computers of the kids are offline now, so i can't check right away, but i sure will, thanks for the info!`
`21:13.52`	`Master1`	`u have tips or good servers too?? (u sure seem to have a good bzFlag community here!)`
`21:15.01`	`JeffM2501`	`BenUrban, IIRC, there are both server and client`
`21:15.04`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`21:15.06`	`BenUrban`	`nm then`
`21:15.19`	`BenUrban`	`Master1: i suggest you enable a client-side profanity filter then`
`21:15.32`	`Master1`	`thats not what i meant`
`21:15.37`	`JeffM2501`	`secretplace should be a good place for your kids`
`21:15.43`	`JeffM2501`	`fun and high bandwith`
`21:15.43`	`Master1`	`oic!`
`21:15.45`	`JeffM2501`	`and well admined`
`21:16.01`	`Master1`	`thanks!`
`21:16.02`	`BenUrban`	`what age range are they?`
`21:16.07`	`Master1`	`9-11`
`21:16.10`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`21:16.22`	`BenUrban`	`which map does secretplace run?`
`21:16.24`	`BenUrban`	`is that spiralzone?`
`21:16.46`	`JeffM2501`	`they have a couple`
`21:18.59`	`Master1`	`ok that runs with 202?`
`21:19.04`	`BenUrban`	`yeah`
`21:19.49`	`JeffM2501`	`all 2.0.x servers are compatable with each other`
`21:19.50`	`Master1`	`ok, i will install it on my computer here too (i am still on 1.10)`
`21:20.08`	`Master1`	`(yeah i know, older Linux version)`
`21:20.12`	`BenUrban`	`Master1: do you see any servers online in 1.10?`
`21:20.21`	`BenUrban`	`not just older`
`21:20.23`	`BenUrban`	`incompatible`
`21:20.25`	`Master1`	`yeah approx 25`
`21:20.36`	`BenUrban`	`heh, so some servers haven't updated`
`21:20.46`	`JeffM2501`	`they have not done by choice`
`21:20.48`	`Master1`	`really incompatible? SuSE 9.1 ??`
`21:21.03`	`BenUrban`	`you can't see any of the 2.0.* servers`
`21:21.09`	`JeffM2501`	`no he means 2.0.x is incompatable with 1.10.x servers`
`21:21.19`	`JeffM2501`	`we break comptability on evey major version`
`21:21.27`	`Master1`	`i just gathered it ! :) thx!`
`21:21.35`	`JeffM2501`	`2.2.0 will be only comptable with the 2.2.x line`
`21:21.44`	`Master1`	`hehe you like doing that?`
`21:21.59`	`BenUrban`	`the first nmber is hte major version`
`21:22.07`	`BenUrban`	`as least in most apps`
`21:22.51`	`JeffM2501`	`true`
`21:22.57`	`Master1`	`btw: noone here has a working RPM for SuSE9.1 or 9.2 lying around or??`
`21:22.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it's every major protocol break`
`21:23.05`	`JeffM2501`	`that's the major that changes`
`21:23.11`	`JeffM2501`	`we bump minor for a proto change`
`21:23.27`	`BenUrban`	`and gameplay changes, apparently`
`21:23.38`	`Master1`	`why do you break the protocol so often then?`
`21:23.48`	`JeffM2501`	`gameplay changes can only go with a proto change`
`21:24.04`	`Master1`	`isn't this protocol flexible?`
`21:24.06`	`JeffM2501`	`Master1, cus we add new stuff that older versions don't work with`
`21:24.08`	`JeffM2501`	`nope`
`21:24.13`	`JeffM2501`	`not in any way shape or form`
`21:24.18`	`BenUrban`	`it needs too much bandwidth to be flexible`
`21:24.19`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag is a lan game`
`21:24.29`	`Master1`	`yeah i know`
`21:24.51`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's a way to force people to upgrade`
`21:25.03`	`Master1`	`i still haven't had time to have a real look at the code`
`21:25.06`	`JeffM2501`	`code woudl be a lot more complex if the current version had to emulate all old bhavors`
`21:25.15`	`BenUrban`	`not just more complex`
`21:25.19`	`BenUrban`	`it wouldn't work in real time`
`21:25.44`	`Master1`	`r u 2 on the devteam?`
`21:25.49`	`BenUrban`	`he is`
`21:25.50`	`BenUrban`	`i'm not`
`21:25.51`	`BenUrban`	`hehe`
`21:25.52`	`JeffM2501`	`to make it fair we don't do game changes in the same proto as old versions, so that the new gameplay feature dosn't become a cheat to older version users.`
`21:26.10`	`creeperz`	`"WTF?! How can he fly?!"`
`21:26.15`	`creeperz`	`etc. :-)`
`21:26.15`	`BenUrban`	`hehehe`
`21:26.20`	`BenUrban`	`been there, seen that`
`21:26.25`	`BenUrban`	`got the bullet hole`
`21:26.35`	`BenUrban`	`of course that was before 2.*`
`21:26.35`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
`21:26.52`	`Master1`	`havent played 2 yet! is there much difference in the gameplay?`
`21:27.01`	`creeperz`	`...`
`21:27.09`	`BenUrban`	`yes`
`21:27.12`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`21:27.14`	`creeperz`	`it wouldnt be a different protocol if it wasnt significantly different :-)`
`21:27.22`	`BenUrban`	`flying is commonplace, for one thing`
`21:28.03`	`JeffM2501`	`creeperz, usualy proto changes in a dev build are very small`
`21:28.11`	`Master1`	`well, my build on this PC just finished, so i think i am going to give it a try in a few mins... (if it works offcourse!) :)`
`21:30.40`	`Master1`	`thanks for the great help guys, i think i will get it working now...`
`21:31.28`	`creeperz`	`hmm, anyone have any tips on reducing my mouse's moving resistance?`
`21:31.44`	`BenUrban`	`lift it off the surface`
`21:31.48`	`creeperz`	`...`
`21:31.56`	`BenUrban`	`XD`
`21:32.02`	`creeperz`	`anyone have any usful tips...`
`21:32.07`	`orchid`	`creeperz: on what OS?`
`21:32.12`	`creeperz`	`XP`
`21:32.16`	`creeperz`	`Home`
`21:32.23`	`creeperz`	`i mean physical moving resistance`
`21:32.41`	`BenUrban`	`petrolem jelly`
`21:32.42`	`BenUrban`	`:D`
`21:32.47`	`creeperz`	`this Fellowes does not move very well, in fact it pretty much sticks`
`21:32.54`	`JeffM2501`	`what kind of mouse?`
`21:32.59`	`BenUrban`	`ball or optical?`
`21:33.12`	`creeperz`	`its a 2x optical Fellowes 5-button`
`21:33.18`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`21:33.22`	`JeffM2501`	`thow it`
`21:33.24`	`JeffM2501`	`get a real mose`
`21:33.28`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`21:33.28`	`creeperz`	`heh`
`21:33.48`	`creeperz`	`my Logitech died on me and I was in need of a mouse so I rushed myself to Kmart ASAP`
`21:33.50`	`BenUrban`	`lubricating the feet might help`
`21:33.55`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`21:34.02`	`JeffM2501`	`computers and kmart`
`21:34.04`	`JeffM2501`	`just say no`
`21:34.18`	`creeperz`	`we're gettign a WalMart here before too long`
`21:34.24`	`creeperz`	`at least they sell LogiTech`
`21:34.29`	`creeperz`	`I can get along with that`
`21:34.32`	`JeffM2501`	`walmart and computers`
`21:34.34`	`JeffM2501`	`just say no`
`21:34.41`	`creeperz`	`haha`
`21:34.44`	`JeffM2501`	`use COMPUTER stores for COMPUTER parts`
`21:34.56`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: that's crazy talk`
`21:35.06`	`JeffM2501`	`I have been called crazy`
`21:35.11`	`JeffM2501`	`by you even`
`21:35.14`	`JeffM2501`	`many times`
`21:35.15`	`BenUrban`	`all devs are crazy`
`21:35.17`	`creeperz`	`none of the computer stores in town sell decent computer parts`
`21:35.18`	`JeffM2501`	`like to my face`
`21:35.24`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`21:35.27`	`JeffM2501`	`creeperz, move`
`21:35.28`	`creeperz`	`one of them has a VooDoo sitting in the window`
`21:35.28`	`JeffM2501`	`or use the net`
`21:35.40`	`BenUrban`	`Voo Doo?`
`21:35.45`	`creeperz`	`video card`
`21:35.45`	`JeffM2501`	`3dfx card`
`21:35.47`	`BenUrban`	`or maybe you mean Voodoo`
`21:35.49`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`21:36.01`	`BenUrban`	`VooDoo = cheap knock off`
`21:36.03`	`BenUrban`	`:P`
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`21:36.34`	`creeperz`	`JeffM2501: do you trust local computer stores that have Voodoo's just sitting in the front window, as if they were proud to carry them`
`21:37.22`	`BenUrban`	`just use the internet...`
`21:37.25`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`21:37.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I use the internet`
`21:37.29`	`BenUrban`	`and stay away from walmart.com`
`21:37.33`	`BenUrban`	`and kmart.com`
`21:37.34`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`21:37.36`	`JeffM2501`	`the internet is your friend`
`21:37.41`	`creeperz`	`yesh`
`21:37.53`	`JeffM2501`	`your warm loving friend that is allways there to comfort you in the deep darkness of life`
`21:38.07`	`BenUrban`	`...which is also caused by the internet :P`
`21:38.42`	`JeffM2501`	`internet isn't a question, it's an answer`
`21:38.47`	`BenUrban`	`no`
`21:38.47`	`BenUrban`	`42`
`21:38.49`	`BenUrban`	`is an answer`
`21:38.55`	`creeperz`	`sex is not an answer`
`21:38.58`	`JeffM2501`	`they are both answer`
`21:38.59`	`creeperz`	`sex is the question`
`21:39.02`	`creeperz`	`yes is the answer`
`21:39.02`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`21:39.11`	`BenUrban`	`i thuoght sex was a solution`
`21:39.13`	`JeffM2501`	`thank you for that wonderfull insight creeperz`
`21:39.28`	`creeperz`	`my theology is flawless`
`21:39.37`	`BenUrban`	`i think 42 is the correct answer to sex`
`21:39.41`	`JeffM2501`	`just order a MS mouse off the net for 12 and be done with it`
`21:39.44`	`BenUrban`	`lol we scared off BIYA`
`21:39.56`	`creeperz`	`JeffM2501: do they move pretyt easily?`
`21:40.07`	`BenUrban`	`they move but do nothing else :P`
`21:40.07`	`JeffM2501`	`I think so`
`21:40.10`	`JeffM2501`	`they work well`
`21:40.15`	`JeffM2501`	`they are good mice`
`21:40.20`	`JeffM2501`	`5 button`
`21:40.22`	`creeperz`	`BenUrban: BIYA is not intimidated by anything of this world`
`21:40.27`	`BenUrban`	`just make sure it's wired and optical and youll be fine`
`21:40.39`	`BenUrban`	`5 button including the scroll directions?`
`21:41.02`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`21:41.09`	`creeperz`	`Left MB, Right MB, Middle MB, Left-side MB, right-side MB`
`21:41.13`	`JeffM2501`	`it has 5 buttons on it`
`21:41.14`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:41.16`	`JeffM2501`	`5`
`21:41.19`	`BenUrban`	`or do you mean that freaky kind with the buttons on the side`
`21:41.23`	`JeffM2501`	`side`
`21:41.33`	`JeffM2501`	`they are "back" and "forward" in the OS`
`21:41.35`	`JeffM2501`	`works well`
`21:41.39`	`creeperz`	`i love them`
`21:41.39`	`BenUrban`	`never had a use for those buttons myself`
`21:41.43`	`JeffM2501`	`can be asigned to anyting any any OS tho`
`21:41.44`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh`
`21:41.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I use em all time time`
`21:41.57`	`JeffM2501`	`lets me cycle thru tabs in Firefox`
`21:41.58`	`BenUrban`	`not that i have a use for a mouse on this comp`
`21:42.04`	`JeffM2501`	`and thru files in my IDE`
`21:42.09`	`creeperz`	`i have mine set up as Back and Forward`
`21:42.10`	`JeffM2501`	`that's it's bigest use`
`21:42.16`	`JeffM2501`	`creeperz, that's the default`
`21:42.28`	`creeperz`	`yeah... but its still set up that way :-P`
`21:42.43`	`BenUrban`	`<-- is on a laptop specifically because it's portable`
`21:43.13`	`creeperz`	`I've had to talk a couple out of getting laptops for gaming a couple weeks ago`
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`21:43.52`	`creeperz`	`I cant even imagine how bad that would feel to play for hours on end on a laptop`
`21:44.27`	`creeperz`	`I mean games that involve strategy and good decision making skills`
`21:44.30`	`creeperz`	`not BZFLAg`
`21:44.43`	`creeperz`	`because you can play that with a stylus`
`21:44.53`	`BenUrban`	`freeciv, crossfire, ...`
`21:44.55`	`JeffM2501`	`creeperz, trackpads are easy onece you take the time to learn them`
`21:44.59`	`BenUrban`	`a stylus on what?`
`21:45.03`	`JeffM2501`	`you use em like a trackball`
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`21:45.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I think he's thinking of a PDA`
`21:45.16`	`creeperz`	`no`
`21:45.22`	`BenUrban`	`trackpads don't work with syluses`
`21:45.27`	`JeffM2501`	`laptops don't have a stylis`
`21:45.34`	`creeperz`	`my friends does`
`21:45.35`	`BenUrban`	`unless they're heated`
`21:45.39`	`creeperz`	`with a rotating screen`
`21:45.42`	`JeffM2501`	`then his is ether a tablet PC`
`21:45.44`	`creeperz`	`turns into a tablet pc`
`21:45.47`	`JeffM2501`	`tabletPCs are difrent`
`21:45.47`	`BenUrban`	`that's not a laptop`
`21:45.49`	`BenUrban`	`that's a tablet`
`21:45.52`	`JeffM2501`	`they are not noormal laptops`
`21:45.59`	`creeperz`	`how isnt it?`
`21:46.07`	`JeffM2501`	`they have touchscreens`
`21:46.07`	`creeperz`	`it uses normal XP Home`
`21:46.10`	`JeffM2501`	`normal laptops don't`
`21:46.10`	`BenUrban`	`it can become a tablet pc`
`21:46.14`	`JeffM2501`	`sure it's still a computer`
`21:46.17`	`BenUrban`	`and it has a touchscreen`
`21:46.18`	`creeperz`	`alright, good point`
`21:46.32`	`JeffM2501`	`an OS a computer does not make`
`21:46.42`	`BenUrban`	`and windows xp home is not an OS anyway`
`21:46.48`	`creeperz`	`MS has special OS software for tablet PC's`
`21:46.51`	`CBG`	`is JeffM2501 yoda?`
`21:46.55`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`21:46.56`	`BenUrban`	`yes`
`21:47.14`	`CBG`	`Hehe. :D`
`21:47.36`	`BenUrban`	`or maybe it's an ohce`
`21:48.06`	`creeperz`	`maybe its the sound of thousands of squirrels getting squashed at once`
`21:48.23`	`CBG`	`Grey ones, I hope.`
`21:48.25`	`BenUrban`	`nah, thye're saying "whop"`
`21:48.29`	`BenUrban`	`*they're`
`21:50.47`	`creeperz`	`thats cuz you remind everyone of cabbage`
`21:50.58`	`CBG`	`Aww :(`
`21:51.08`	`CBG`	`But IRC wont let me use my full name...`
`21:51.14`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`21:51.31`	`CBG`	`CannonBal fits... the lGuy doesn't.`
`21:51.38`	`creeperz`	`which would be cabbage beans goat?`
`21:51.52`	`CBG`	`lol`
`21:52.26`	`CBG`	`See? I did it again!`
`21:52.48`	`CBG`	`ROFL!!!`
`21:52.56`	`creeperz`	`no, I'm way too cool to be a dev :-P`
`21:53.03`	`BenUrban`	`all insane people are devs`
`21:53.18`	`CBG`	`Then by definition, I am a dev...`
`21:53.19`	`BenUrban`	`you are quite obviously insane`
`21:53.22`	`BenUrban`	`yeah`
`21:53.26`	`CBG`	`Maybe you mean that all devs are insane...?`
`21:53.27`	`BenUrban`	`i was about to say that`
`21:53.27`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`21:53.31`	`BenUrban`	`that too lol`
`21:53.36`	`CBG`	`hehe`
`21:54.14`	`CBG`	`Hat-Trick!!! :D`
`21:54.19`	`creeperz`	`forums`
`21:54.30`	`BenUrban`	`~whaleslap CBG`
`21:54.31`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps CBG upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`21:54.42`	`CBG`	`I still wanan know who named him hugh...`
`21:54.53`	`CBG`	`s/wanan/wanna`
`21:56.28`	`bryjen`	`breifly it was a "freakishly hugh killer whale". a typo by the author`
`21:56.51`	`creeperz`	`haha, horrible >.<`
`21:57.01`	`CBG`	`Ohhh. Thanks bryjen.`
`21:57.07`	`BenUrban`	`ROFL`
`21:57.14`	`BenUrban`	`wondered about that`
`21:57.28`	`BenUrban`	`seemed awfully suspecious to name a huge kiiller whale hugh`
`21:58.31`	`CBG`	`Well.... night all.`
`21:58.50`	`CBG`	`Cya tomorow folks.`
`21:58.54`	`bryjen`	`especially if i smelled of tuna fish`
`21:59.00`	`CBG`	`If I dont die from tunafish poisoning.`
`21:59.05`	`BenUrban`	`aww...but you're so fun to have around!`
`21:59.07`	`CBG`	`bryjen:lmao.`
`21:59.48`	`BenUrban`	`:D`
`21:59.58`	`CBG`	`~fishslap benurban`
`21:59.59`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps benurban up side the head with a wet fish.`
`22:00.01`	`CBG`	`:)`
`22:00.02`	`CBG`	`BYE`
`22:00.19`	`BenUrban`	`damn`
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`22:01.22`	`JeffM2501`	`ssJ?`
`22:01.31`	`BenUrban`	`super saiyan something`
`22:01.37`	`BenUrban`	`right?`
`22:01.41`	`JeffM2501`	`ewwww`
`22:01.45`	`*** kick/#bzflag [creeperz!~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)`
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`22:01.51`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`22:01.54`	`JeffM2501`	`there will be no DBZ here`
`22:01.55`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`22:01.56`	`JeffM2501`	`EVER`
`22:03.02`	`blast007`	`SSJ == Self Screening Jamming or Super Sayain Jin :)`
`22:03.10`	`BenUrban`	`ah, Jin`
`22:03.53`	`blast007`	`nor did I, but acronymsearch.com did..hehe`
`22:04.04`	`BenUrban`	`LMAO`
`22:04.11`	`BenUrban`	`self screening jamming....`
`22:04.28`	`BenUrban`	`from acronymsearch.com`
`22:04.29`	`BenUrban`	`lol`
`22:04.45`	`BenUrban`	`never heard of that`
`22:06.36`	`blast007`	`from a quick google, it looks like it's when a aircraft is the target of a radar scan, and has it's own jammer`
`22:06.44`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`22:08.49`	`JeffM2501`	`see the internet is your friend`
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`23:12.08`	`gar0teenh0`	`ae`
`23:13.30`	`wegstar`	`?`
`23:13.37`	`gar0teenh0`	`hi`
`23:13.47`	`gar0teenh0`	`i dont speak english`
`23:13.48`	`gar0teenh0`	`but`
`23:14.00`	`wegstar`	`...`
`23:14.03`	`gar0teenh0`	`im user freenode`
`23:14.27`	`gar0teenh0`	`sorry my bad english`
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