| 00:01.57 | *** join/#bzflag mobodo (~mobodo@132.208.20.19) |
| 00:02.49 | mobodo | hi, I'm trying to start bzflag as a server without the UI... how can I do that? |
| 00:03.37 | spldart | Quick question... If I allow bzfs to use the master ban list then my personal bans only last as long as the uptime of bzfs. If I put in a 'badtanks' file so my bans will hold through reboot then it doesn't seem to pull the masterbanlist. |
| 00:03.43 | spldart | Is there a way to have both? |
| 00:05.23 | mobodo | btw, I'm hacking bzflag to play on a 40 foot diameter 360 degree room with 8 projectors - if anybody cares :) |
| 00:05.29 | wegstar_away | err.. |
| 00:07.04 | learner | mobodo, heh funny |
| 00:07.09 | learner | gotta take some pictures |
| 00:07.13 | mobodo | yeah, sure |
| 00:07.25 | mobodo | 'll send them back to the developers :) |
| 00:07.28 | learner | what os? |
| 00:07.36 | mobodo | linux |
| 00:07.53 | learner | the bzflag server is run by the bzfs binary |
| 00:08.10 | learner | there are a _lots_ of options, depends on what kind of server you want to run |
| 00:08.13 | mobodo | ahhh, cool - thanks |
| 00:08.14 | learner | man bzfs for starters |
| 00:08.30 | mobodo | and then I can just use bzadmin to connect, right? |
| 00:08.49 | JeffM2501 | the bzflag client itself dosn't even know how to host a game |
| 00:08.54 | learner | right |
| 00:08.56 | wegstar | spldart: nope. Only one way or the other |
| 00:08.57 | JeffM2501 | that in game ui just runs the server executable |
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| 00:09.34 | learner | there's a couple links online for hosting your own server as well |
| 00:10.02 | learner | this may help you build your bzfs configuration file: http://bzflag.bz/cvs/misc/bzfs_conf.html |
| 00:10.28 | learner | there's an example conf in http://bzflag.bz/cvs/misc/ |
| 00:11.11 | learner | more info at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 00:11.30 | wegstar | see see bzflagwiki |
| 00:11.59 | learner | yes, also http://bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer |
| 00:13.26 | spldart | Thanks wegstar |
| 00:41.07 | Tupone | nite all, should work now |
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| 01:18.33 | mobodo | yay! it works :) |
| 01:18.49 | mobodo | 60 feet of bzflag |
| 01:19.13 | wegstar | :D |
| 01:19.14 | learner | heh |
| 01:19.29 | aaronf0 | ??? |
| 01:19.43 | wegstar | you just need "the chair" ;) |
| 01:20.36 | mobodo | "the chair"? |
| 01:21.11 | mobodo | we'll be hooking a motion tracker with a camera so we can control the tank motion just by body movements |
| 01:21.26 | mobodo | and a wireless mouse for firing :) |
| 01:21.38 | learner | dance dance tank revolution? |
| 01:26.11 | wegstar | lol :) |
| 01:27.53 | menotume | too much exersize |
| 01:28.04 | menotume | aerobic bzflag |
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| 01:43.59 | Ice_Wewe | what gives?!?!? |
| 01:44.09 | Ice_Wewe | the list server and the global login isn't working for me |
| 01:44.17 | Ice_Wewe | did I get global banned? |
| 01:44.20 | Ice_Wewe | or unregistered? |
| 01:44.26 | Ice_Wewe | cause it ain't working |
| 01:44.54 | Ice_Wewe | help me? |
| 01:46.09 | Ice_Wewe | gee, thanks |
| 01:46.11 | brad2901|away | list server must be down |
| 01:46.16 | Ice_Wewe | really? |
| 01:46.20 | brad2901|away | I can't get it either. |
| 01:46.29 | Ice_Wewe | well global log in is working or everyone else at hepcat |
| 01:46.33 | learner | patience helps |
| 01:46.34 | Ice_Wewe | and not for me |
| 01:46.37 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 01:46.51 | orange | works for me |
| 01:46.59 | learner | ~bzflist |
| 01:47.04 | brad2901|away | oh yeah, works now :) |
| 01:47.09 | Ice_Wewe | sorry g2g |
| 01:47.22 | orange | lol |
| 01:47.28 | learner | if you only really were sorry for the right reasons |
| 01:48.03 | orange | less than 4 minutes online and he asked a question, got mad that nobody answered it, and left without waiting for an answer |
| 01:52.57 | wegstar | hmm |
| 01:54.46 | learner | if brad hadn't chimed in, his head might have exploded |
| 02:03.57 | orange | perhaps that's why he had to go |
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| 04:47.05 | wegstar | nite all |
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| 08:03.23 | ruskie | tupone, any progress on with that list server problem? |
| 08:05.54 | _Manu_ | lo ruskie |
| 08:08.57 | ruskie | heya _Manu_ |
| 08:09.12 | tupone | ruskie: try recompiling |
| 08:09.17 | tupone | :) |
| 08:09.33 | ruskie | will do |
| 08:10.04 | tupone | well, should update before |
| 08:10.11 | ruskie | naturaly |
| 08:10.12 | ruskie | :) |
| 08:24.20 | ruskie | yup works now |
| 08:26.07 | tupone | ok |
| 08:26.15 | tupone | thanks for testing |
| 09:15.08 | jpa | mroning |
| 09:18.38 | ruskie | lo |
| 09:18.44 | jpa | hi |
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| 09:39.43 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 09:43.00 | ruskie | :( |
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| 11:40.29 | hansderagon | Any gamesunited.de admins here? I need to be deregistered. |
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| 14:32.37 | Tupone | blast007_away: I think I have fixed. Can you test it ? |
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| 14:57.29 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
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| 15:20.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 15:20.50 | CBG | Hi JeffM |
| 15:22.17 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 15:22.55 | jpa | hi jeff |
| 15:23.04 | JeffM2501 | hi |
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| 16:55.12 | de | hi. when i start bzflag 2.0.2 on my mac mini all i get is a blank screen. any ideas? |
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| 17:21.23 | CBG | ~bzquery 81.103.45.91 |
| 17:22.04 | CBG | Uhh, How does the bzquery thing go again? :( |
| 17:22.09 | BearPerson | we'd need to redo the flag list if we want to make the day a little harder for cheaters |
| 17:22.20 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery 81.103.45.91 |
| 17:22.35 | CBG | How does it work for you?? |
| 17:22.48 | CBG | oh. ~bzFquery |
| 17:22.55 | CBG | Thanks Bear. |
| 17:23.02 | CBG | ~bzfquery 62.252.32.12 |
| 17:23.12 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:23.24 | BearPerson | I wonder if the bot server is running a bzf server too ;-) |
| 17:23.45 | CBG | ~bzfquery 62.252.32.12 |
| 17:24.02 | BearPerson | port is right? |
| 17:24.10 | CBG | Yep. |
| 17:24.14 | CBG | ~bzquery 81.103.45.91 |
| 17:24.25 | CBG | 62... is my proxy, 81 is my ip. |
| 17:24.49 | CBG | ~bzfquery 81.103.45.91 |
| 17:25.05 | CBG | W00t. |
| 17:26.44 | CBG | ~bzfquery 62.252.32.12 |
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| 17:29.02 | CBG | ~bzfquery cbg.kicks-ass.org |
| 17:29.12 | CBG | YES!!! |
| 17:30.50 | CBG | Any reason why ibot can connect to cbg.kicks-ass.org but I cant (in-game) ? |
| 17:31.16 | BearPerson | let me see |
| 17:31.39 | CBG | Thanks. :) |
| 17:32.07 | BearPerson | I'm on |
| 17:32.10 | blast007 | probably cuz you are inside the network, and it doesn't forward properly |
| 17:32.12 | BearPerson | port? |
| 17:32.17 | CBG | 5154. |
| 17:32.27 | CBG | blast007: Your right. |
| 17:32.31 | CBG | I can connect with my ex IP |
| 17:32.34 | CBG | only my local. |
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| 17:34.08 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:34.25 | Tupone | blast007: so it works? |
| 17:34.56 | blast007 | what does? the ctcp time? |
| 17:35.07 | Tupone | naha, bzflag |
| 17:35.15 | blast007 | haven't tried |
| 17:35.25 | Tupone | I think I've fixed |
| 17:35.32 | blast007 | k |
| 17:35.43 | Tupone | buut need a volunteer on windows to test |
| 17:40.34 | blast007 | getting closer |
| 17:40.43 | blast007 | MOTD works, but when I try the server list, it crashes |
| 17:42.05 | Tupone | crashes without diagnostics? |
| 17:50.06 | blast007 | compiled in debug mode |
| 17:56.03 | blast007 | gonna try a clean build |
| 17:57.36 | Tupone | ok |
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| 18:23.08 | blast007 | the rebuild fixed it, works great now :D |
| 18:24.25 | blast007 | not sure if it matters, but I still get that "Error while adding easy handle from libcurl; Error: -1" message in the debug output |
| 18:25.31 | Tupone | that should matter, but I don't see it in the code :( old libcurl? |
| 18:25.50 | blast007 | yeah, it's a slightly older version |
| 18:26.07 | Tupone | what version, so I can look into the code? |
| 18:26.10 | blast007 | curl-7.11.1-win32-nossl-devel |
| 18:26.36 | Tupone | ok. However to have a really non blocking version, need a version with c-ares |
| 18:30.38 | Tupone | yeah, 7.11.1 return that error. I'll fix |
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| 19:20.54 | ruskie | hmmm how much does a bzfs setup goble up ram and cpu... i.e. 16 players, 4-5 shots |
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| 19:23.59 | jpa | ruskie: something like ~5-10M, not much cpu |
| 19:24.11 | jpa | ruskie: if you turn curse-filter-thingie on, it'll take much more |
| 19:24.42 | ruskie | how much approx cou-ram/user |
| 19:24.49 | ruskie | erm cpu een |
| 19:24.52 | jpa | it is usually bandwidth that you run out of |
| 19:24.57 | ruskie | 100mbit |
| 19:25.09 | jpa | so what kind of a computer? |
| 19:25.22 | ruskie | someone is offering me to hsot it but he's already running an et server and web and mysql on that |
| 19:25.53 | BenUrban | but nobody makes any effort to prevent cheating |
| 19:25.55 | BenUrban | :P |
| 19:26.12 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:26.44 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:26.59 | jpa | i've been fine on this server.. running apache, mysql, 400 shell users |
| 19:27.06 | BenUrban | well it's more about having state-unaware clients |
| 19:27.08 | BenUrban | ;) |
| 19:27.10 | jpa | and i can't see any lag on bazfs |
| 19:27.21 | ruskie | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz, 1GiB ram |
| 19:27.33 | jpa | don't worry :P |
| 19:27.42 | jpa | it'll run fine |
| 19:27.56 | ruskie | the owner is worried how it will affect et server and the rest |
| 19:28.01 | BenUrban | and therefore all client patches must be kept hidden |
| 19:28.28 | ruskie | et == enemy territory |
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| 19:29.04 | jpa | ruskie: well if it does, just stop running it |
| 19:29.16 | ruskie | that's true |
| 19:29.21 | ruskie | but it shouldn't right? |
| 19:29.50 | jpa | nope.. _unless_ you turn on extender curse-filtering |
| 19:29.58 | ruskie | I won't |
| 19:31.02 | DTRemenak | ruskie: bzfs cpu usage is minimal. ram is ~5mb, more if you have maps that generate big obstacle trees. |
| 19:32.35 | DTRemenak | you won't notice any difference at all on the machine you describe unless it's already running over 1 load average |
| 19:33.06 | ruskie | load average: 0.04, 0.06, 0.09 |
| 19:33.09 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:33.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:33.17 | ruskie | gonna give it a week to try out |
| 19:34.11 | jpa | they k-lined braddie !?! |
| 19:34.13 | jpa | evil. |
| 19:40.48 | ruskie | any recommendations? |
| 19:42.54 | orange | happy penguin |
| 19:43.00 | ruskie | ? |
| 19:43.01 | ruskie | link? |
| 19:43.08 | orange | dunno :-/ |
| 19:43.14 | orange | it was a map related to a contest somehow |
| 19:44.04 | BenUrban | what testing week? |
| 19:44.25 | ruskie | this week :) |
| 19:44.29 | ruskie | I'll be running it... |
| 19:44.41 | BenUrban | server testing? map testing? client testing? |
| 19:44.42 | ruskie | and if it works out I will have me own server \o/ yay \o/ |
| 19:44.52 | orange | ruskie, apparently the map is called field and stream |
| 19:45.12 | ruskie | BenUrban, server |
| 19:45.15 | orange | ah, made by bamf :-) |
| 19:51.20 | ruskie | hmmm gonna try it with the biggest map I can find atm... |
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| 19:58.55 | BearPerson | BenUrban, you'll always have patched clients possible |
| 19:59.06 | BearPerson | unless you want the server to render the entire picture |
| 19:59.27 | BenUrban | well |
| 19:59.28 | BearPerson | you have to know tank position and height of a CL tank for the radar |
| 19:59.43 | BenUrban | the server doesn't have to send the client info about every tank |
| 19:59.46 | BearPerson | all you can do is make the patch longer |
| 19:59.49 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:00.03 | BenUrban | i guess you're right |
| 20:00.21 | BenUrban | or maybe the server can render the radar |
| 20:00.23 | BearPerson | There's a big bunch of problems involved... |
| 20:00.26 | BenUrban | :P |
| 20:00.28 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 20:01.01 | BearPerson | kindof the same for a lot of things... what an attentive player can look for, a patched client can do better |
| 20:01.06 | BearPerson | like watching flags respawn |
| 20:02.01 | BearPerson | but there's a lot we can do too :) |
| 20:02.18 | ruskie | <-- always keeps an eye on what flag spawns... and with correleation to what flag was last droped and disapeard it can be quite easy to find :) |
| 20:02.20 | BearPerson | maybe adding cheat-checking functions to clients would help |
| 20:02.33 | ruskie | I think to server not clients |
| 20:02.39 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 20:02.42 | ruskie | if it's in client it can be worked out of the client |
| 20:02.42 | BenUrban | well how about the server not sending the client which flag is which? |
| 20:02.56 | BearPerson | but when the client can do the job almost as good (detecting cheats) |
| 20:03.01 | BearPerson | BenUrban, I know it does |
| 20:03.16 | BearPerson | I checked, it'd be a 3-line-fix in the client to work around that |
| 20:03.32 | BenUrban | lol |
| 20:03.38 | BearPerson | because you know the flags when they are carried |
| 20:03.40 | BenUrban | and the server? |
| 20:03.43 | BearPerson | and the flag list stays sorted |
| 20:03.58 | BearPerson | so you just ignore any update that changes the flag type basically |
| 20:04.09 | BearPerson | (basically really, it's a tad more complicated) |
| 20:04.27 | BenUrban | lol |
| 20:04.42 | ruskie | :)) |
| 20:04.43 | BenUrban | i could've made my targeting patch allow ST targeting |
| 20:04.59 | BenUrban | without much difficulty |
| 20:05.07 | BearPerson | I'm just thinking about stuff like checking for speed cheat or small tank cheat |
| 20:05.13 | ruskie | hmm wouldn't having something like cheatind-death external app for the stuff for any game be more usefull? |
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| 20:05.15 | BearPerson | lag would throw you off, of course |
| 20:05.36 | BearPerson | I'm thinking of giving every player a "cheating probability" score :) |
| 20:05.44 | BenUrban | ooh |
| 20:05.54 | BearPerson | then you could spectate and drive with Winner == most probable cheater |
| 20:05.56 | BenUrban | what would it do for the guy whose callsign is "cheater"? |
| 20:06.04 | BenUrban | ROFLMFAO |
| 20:06.36 | BenUrban | zuh? |
| 20:06.48 | BearPerson | rolling on the _floor_ ... ;-) |
| 20:06.53 | aaronf0 | how can you tell if theyre cheating? |
| 20:07.01 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 20:07.04 | aaronf0 | theres a small diference between that and just good |
| 20:07.05 | BearPerson | experience Manu would say |
| 20:07.11 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 20:07.21 | BenUrban | aaronf0: some would say there's no difference |
| 20:07.25 | aaronf0 | unless theyre flying in pre bzflag 2 |
| 20:07.33 | BenUrban | lol |
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| 20:07.40 | BearPerson | there's stuff you can notice, like tank moving or turning faster than it should |
| 20:07.47 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:07.48 | BearPerson | but again, lag will catch you |
| 20:07.56 | ruskie | or getting flying while not having wg |
| 20:08.06 | BearPerson | or jumping >n times with wg |
| 20:08.11 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:08.32 | BenUrban | *features |
| 20:08.34 | ruskie | thought I saw it today but when I looked closely it looked like my eyes were playing tricks on me |
| 20:08.38 | BearPerson | a bullet that should have hit a tank and the tank not dying would be something to note too |
| 20:08.49 | BearPerson | though that will be extremely lag-ridden |
| 20:08.52 | ruskie | BearPerson, I ussualy check lag on those |
| 20:09.01 | BenUrban | well it's cheating even if it's caused by lag |
| 20:09.03 | ruskie | then clean them out :) |
| 20:09.06 | ruskie | no |
| 20:09.14 | ruskie | simpyl have them kicked for high lag :) |
| 20:09.14 | BenUrban | IMO it is |
| 20:09.16 | aaronf0 | i can tell blatant cheats |
| 20:09.17 | BenUrban | lol |
| 20:09.53 | aaronf0 | and some of the more subtle ones |
| 20:09.53 | BearPerson | I guess adding to cheat value depending on the distance tank-bullet could work |
| 20:09.53 | ruskie | I like it when ppl try to kill a zoned tank and then say they are cheaters :) |
| 20:09.54 | BearPerson | :) |
| 20:09.57 | BenUrban | LOL |
| 20:10.02 | BenUrban | never seen that before |
| 20:10.12 | BearPerson | yeah, you'd have to actually be careful of that stuff in the patch... |
| 20:10.15 | aaronf0 | heh |
| 20:10.20 | aaronf0 | can zoned tanks kill eachother> |
| 20:10.23 | aaronf0 | ? |
| 20:10.27 | BearPerson | sure |
| 20:10.29 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:10.31 | ruskie | I do it all the time |
| 20:10.35 | BearPerson | which is really cool |
| 20:10.54 | aaronf0 | k, cause i havent played around much with all the flags in 2.0 |
| 20:10.54 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:10.58 | ruskie | but most of the time ppl that never seen zoned tanks either star yealling cheater, try to shoot you with various weapons, or ask what's wrong with you :) |
| 20:10.59 | BenUrban | where do you find more than one PZ at a time? |
| 20:10.59 | BearPerson | :) |
| 20:11.10 | BearPerson | viper has 2 of them |
| 20:11.16 | ruskie | acctually 2+random |
| 20:11.16 | aaronf0 | if a zoned tank shoots through a portal, do the bullets un-zone? |
| 20:11.17 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:11.21 | ruskie | nope |
| 20:11.24 | BenUrban | no |
| 20:11.30 | BearPerson | viper has random flags? |
| 20:11.32 | BenUrban | lol they shbould ;) |
| 20:11.33 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:11.39 | BenUrban | *should |
| 20:11.41 | ruskie | geno/st/pz I think |
| 20:11.45 | BearPerson | cool, thought they were all fixed |
| 20:11.45 | ruskie | BenUrban, naahhh |
| 20:11.57 | ruskie | I do a tiny movement forward shoot and reveres |
| 20:11.59 | ruskie | works great |
| 20:12.05 | BenUrban | and unzoned bullets shuold zone when passing through a teleporter :D |
| 20:12.11 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 20:12.19 | BearPerson | well, but then you'd be killing tactics |
| 20:12.20 | BenUrban | trapdoor spider effect |
| 20:12.32 | ruskie | I killed lasers that way :) |
| 20:12.51 | BearPerson | a zoned tank would be practically invincible but could shoot other tanks through the tele |
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| 20:13.00 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 20:13.10 | ruskie | and other ppl |
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| 20:13.30 | BearPerson | I like surprising people that don't know BU can get through one-way teleporters |
| 20:13.37 | BenUrban | ack, can't believe i accidentally hit the x |
| 20:13.38 | aaronf0 | trying to track down an error |
| 20:13.41 | aaronf0 | under linux |
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| 20:13.47 | BearPerson | hmm? |
| 20:13.50 | aaronf0 | bzflag dies when going into fullscreen |
| 20:13.51 | BenUrban | lol |
| 20:13.55 | aaronf0 | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 134 (XFree86-VidModeExtension) Minor opcode of failed request: 10 (XF86VidModeSwitchToMode) |
| 20:14.05 | aaronf0 | it dumps that |
| 20:14.17 | BenUrban | aaronf0: obviously your xserver/hardware doesn't support that specific mode |
| 20:14.26 | aaronf0 | huh? |
| 20:14.56 | BenUrban | s/mode/resolution/ |
| 20:14.59 | aaronf0 | started hapening after a linux-headers update |
| 20:15.12 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:15.20 | BenUrban | well that's just weird |
| 20:17.32 | aaronf0 | yeah |
| 20:18.24 | aaronf0 | odd |
| 20:18.42 | aaronf0 | i just changed the resolution while windowed, and it did some funky shit |
| 20:18.53 | aaronf0 | but it seemed to go to full screen... |
| 20:19.53 | aaronf0 | any help? |
| 20:25.03 | JeffM2501 | you rebuild everyting after upgrading your headers? |
| 20:27.23 | aaronf0 | ot yet |
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| 20:27.31 | aaronf0 | *not |
| 20:27.48 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, i told you.. actually one flag is random.. and can be ST, PZ or G |
| 20:28.09 | BearPerson | ah |
| 20:28.18 | BearPerson | I thought you had a special patch |
| 20:28.30 | _Manu_ | only one.. earlier could be ST or G.. now can be ST, PZ or G |
| 20:28.41 | BearPerson | btw, ruskie wants to set up a server. Could the viper bzfs config help? |
| 20:28.44 | aaronf0 | i cant find anything else relating to bzflag that would prevent it from going full screen |
| 20:29.04 | _Manu_ | yes, he can ask :) |
| 20:30.09 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, then why are you even trying? |
| 20:30.23 | JeffM2501 | did you rebuild SDL? and reinstall your drivers? |
| 20:30.38 | JeffM2501 | bzflag uses many things |
| 20:30.50 | gina | m |
| 20:32.11 | aaronf0 | havent rebuilt sdl yet |
| 20:32.22 | aaronf0 | i got drivers, gernel, glib, and X |
| 20:32.32 | JeffM2501 | SDL is what does the res swap |
| 20:32.47 | aaronf0 | i did a depgraph on bzflag, and its shows 80 packages... |
| 20:32.52 | aaronf0 | ok, ill try that |
| 20:33.02 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, i don't need a patch for it.. simply a trick |
| 20:33.09 | JeffM2501 | more then likely SDL is calling a res swap function that your kernel no longer supports |
| 20:33.34 | aaronf0 | hmm |
| 20:33.48 | JeffM2501 | or at least that your X no longer supports |
| 20:34.31 | aaronf0 | either one |
| 20:34.35 | aaronf0 | trying that |
| 20:39.46 | aaronf0 | anyone know how hard it is to repartition your drive, then copy the info back onto it |
| 20:39.52 | aaronf0 | while your system is running? |
| 20:40.40 | Tupone | JeffM2501: can you rebuild and test ? |
| 20:40.58 | Tupone | windows I mean, not mac |
| 20:45.34 | BenUrban | aaronf0: are you high? |
| 20:49.11 | aaronf0 | yes |
| 20:50.14 | JeffM2501 | in a sec |
| 20:54.49 | aaronf0 | in a sec what> |
| 20:54.55 | aaronf0 | you will be high? |
| 20:54.58 | JeffM2501 | in a sec I will test for tupone |
| 20:55.03 | aaronf0 | ohh |
| 20:55.06 | JeffM2501 | the last person to ask me something |
| 20:55.11 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:55.20 | JeffM2501 | it's building now |
| 20:55.40 | aaronf0 | well i was serious |
| 20:56.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you were |
| 20:56.42 | aaronf0 | and it will get done, somehow |
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| 20:57.12 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 20:57.29 | Tupone | ok? That is to me ? |
| 20:57.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:57.37 | JeffM2501 | it's still building :) |
| 20:57.37 | Tupone | :/ |
| 20:57.44 | JeffM2501 | it's on the secen nodes |
| 21:00.54 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, MOTD and list server show now |
| 21:00.57 | JeffM2501 | good job :) |
| 21:01.02 | Tupone | great :) |
| 21:01.19 | Tupone | I can sleep now :-) |
| 21:01.27 | JeffM2501 | huzzah! |
| 21:16.11 | aaronf0 | how do i get libsdl to take effect after i recompile it? |
| 21:16.16 | aaronf0 | do i just restart X? |
| 21:17.05 | JeffM2501 | it's not part of X |
| 21:17.13 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl be a .so |
| 21:17.22 | JeffM2501 | so the next thing to us it should use it again |
| 21:17.27 | JeffM2501 | unless an interface changes |
| 21:17.46 | JeffM2501 | if the interface changed, then you may need to rebuild the things that linked against SDL |
| 21:18.33 | aaronf0 | damn |
| 21:19.03 | aaronf0 | that thing would be bzflag |
| 21:19.20 | JeffM2501 | one of many things that uses sdl |
| 21:19.33 | aaronf0 | son of a bitch... |
| 21:19.48 | JeffM2501 | everything uses your kernel |
| 21:19.57 | aaronf0 | by time im done sorting out this mess, my whole system will end up recompiled |
| 21:20.01 | JeffM2501 | so if it changes, many things have to change to use it's new hotness |
| 21:20.19 | JeffM2501 | well yes, if your kernel interfaces chnaged, then you proibably want to rebuild all thigns |
| 21:20.23 | JeffM2501 | so it uses the new kernel |
| 21:20.28 | JeffM2501 | not the old stuff that dosn't work anymore |
| 21:20.31 | aaronf0 | kernel headers |
| 21:20.42 | JeffM2501 | headers provide the interface to the kernel |
| 21:20.57 | JeffM2501 | if they add new stuff, the kernel also has to have the back end to support it |
| 21:21.09 | JeffM2501 | did you only update headers and not the actual kernel? |
| 21:21.10 | aaronf0 | yea |
| 21:21.21 | JeffM2501 | or did you do headers and kernel? |
| 21:21.25 | aaronf0 | but updating the kernel doesnt require a recompile of the system |
| 21:21.30 | aaronf0 | headers |
| 21:21.32 | aaronf0 | then stuff |
| 21:21.35 | aaronf0 | then kernel |
| 21:22.02 | JeffM2501 | if the kernel no longer suports a feature, then, yes you have to rebuild the things that used that old feature, to use what ever replaced it. |
| 21:22.07 | JeffM2501 | so yes, you have to recompile |
| 21:22.17 | JeffM2501 | sounds like you jacked your system hard |
| 21:22.28 | JeffM2501 | what made you upgrade headers in the first place? |
| 21:24.24 | aaronf0 | emerge was bitching |
| 21:24.34 | aaronf0 | i figured i might as well do it sooner than later |
| 21:24.54 | JeffM2501 | why not just have emerge update you to the latest of all things and it'll just rebuild it all |
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| 21:27.13 | ruskie | ~bzfquery dtdm.org:5154 |
| 21:27.36 | ruskie | well if anyone wants to play a completly unbalanced map be my guest dtdm.org:5154 is opened |
| 21:27.58 | ruskie | 4 team ctf |
| 21:28.09 | aaronf0 | how is that unbalanced? |
| 21:28.33 | ruskie | OO drops you dead |
| 21:28.35 | ruskie | BU doesn't works |
| 21:28.46 | ruskie | multiple SWs Gs GMs |
| 21:28.59 | aaronf0 | at the same time? |
| 21:29.04 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:29.04 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:29.05 | aaronf0 | cool |
| 21:29.08 | ruskie | yeah |
| 21:29.15 | aaronf0 | well |
| 21:29.16 | ruskie | me and manu managed to kill eachother with sws :) |
| 21:29.20 | aaronf0 | how about a 200 shot server |
| 21:29.31 | JeffM2501 | that would be the lagyest thing ever |
| 21:29.34 | ruskie | and I think something isn't right with the gravity as well |
| 21:29.34 | aaronf0 | with fast bullets |
| 21:29.38 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 21:30.00 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || MAL=4 |
| 21:30.01 | ruskie | I just need 1 weeks of load testing to see if it acctually effects the rest of the server |
| 21:30.07 | ruskie | -s |
| 21:30.33 | ruskie | not sure if I configured it properly though |
| 21:31.07 | aaronf0 | can you make MG be a lot lonnger? |
| 21:31.31 | ruskie | hmmm how? |
| 21:31.36 | ruskie | <-- has no clue really... |
| 21:31.52 | ruskie | it is my first server... |
| 21:32.04 | ruskie | some server var? |
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| 21:34.03 | aaronf0 | i dont know |
| 21:34.06 | aaronf0 | i was just wondering |
| 21:34.14 | aaronf0 | seems like a good idea |
| 21:34.20 | aaronf0 | but rather dangerous... |
| 21:34.25 | aaronf0 | g2g, dinner |
| 21:34.42 | installhead | has anyone checked out the server at top of list? |
| 21:34.52 | DTRemenak | ~bzflist |
| 21:35.03 | installhead | rabidfruball.tv |
| 21:35.23 | installhead | says 51 players but nobody there |
| 21:35.58 | JeffM2501 | some lame server ops hack the server to report higher player counts |
| 21:36.04 | Thumper_ | no spawn priv by default maybe |
| 21:36.06 | installhead | thats lame |
| 21:36.09 | JeffM2501 | rather |
| 21:38.27 | Thumper_ | someone should probably boot it from the list if that's easy to do |
| 21:38.42 | JeffM2501 | I know of no simple way |
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| 21:39.55 | ruskie | gaahhh system lockup |
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| 21:40.39 | ruskie | had to reboot |
| 21:40.51 | JeffM2501 | thanks for sharing |
| 21:41.04 | wizart | hi. how does the agility flag work ? |
| 21:41.12 | JeffM2501 | it makes you accerate faster |
| 21:41.15 | wizart | is it completely random ? |
| 21:41.17 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:41.25 | wizart | It feels like random |
| 21:41.29 | JeffM2501 | it gets you to top speed faster then normal |
| 21:41.29 | ruskie | almost completly randome :) |
| 21:41.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah it can feel that way |
| 21:41.46 | Thumper_ | well I founda player nick that matches the IP of that server |
| 21:41.58 | wizart | When I change direction I either drive really fast or I don't |
| 21:42.13 | wizart | Plus the time how long I drive fast varies |
| 21:42.28 | Thumper_ | guess you could masterban him until he removes the server entry... |
| 21:42.30 | JeffM2501 | it gives you al little bost |
| 21:42.32 | wizart | how to dodge when you don't know how far you can drive ? |
| 21:42.41 | JeffM2501 | but dosn't make you faster on the whole |
| 21:42.45 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, masterban is for players |
| 21:42.47 | JeffM2501 | not servers |
| 21:42.51 | Thumper_ | yes it is |
| 21:42.55 | Thumper_ | I found a player nick from that server ip |
| 21:42.56 | JeffM2501 | NO it is not |
| 21:43.07 | wizart | not faster in total ? I thought it does make you three times faster |
| 21:43.08 | JeffM2501 | has the player done anything wrong? |
| 21:43.09 | Thumper_ | yes it is ... for players (not for servers) |
| 21:43.22 | Thumper_ | technically no :) |
| 21:43.34 | JeffM2501 | then why would they be baned from every single game out there? |
| 21:44.08 | JeffM2501 | masterban is for very specific things |
| 21:44.10 | Thumper_ | just thinking about some way to get his attention |
| 21:44.11 | JeffM2501 | bbiba |
| 21:44.23 | Thumper_ | but I have a callsign to search for now... will use stats.bzflag.org |
| 21:44.27 | Thumper_ | and see if I can find him |
| 21:44.30 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.47 | Thumper_ | the broken server entry is just a little annoying is all |
| 21:46.21 | Thumper_ | last seen 3 hrs ago... |
| 22:01.00 | ruskie | hmm need to setup a rotation on my server |
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| 22:21.52 | brlcad | ~seen gina |
| 22:22.03 | ibot | gina <~gigi@198.221-200-80.adsl.skynet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 51m 13s ago, saying: 'm'. |
| 22:23.20 | brlcad | Thumper_: that's not what the masterban list is for |
| 22:23.28 | brlcad | they have to be causing network-wide trouble |
| 22:23.30 | *** join/#bzflag PIBagent (~c6bedf02@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:23.39 | brlcad | so even cheating on any one or two servers is not grounds for a master ban |
| 22:23.53 | Thumper_ | true. (sorry) |
| 22:24.01 | brlcad | has to be blatently disruptive |
| 22:24.02 | Thumper_ | the offending server entry is gone now |
| 22:24.12 | Thumper_ | or was last time I checked |
| 22:24.21 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 22:24.51 | JeffM2501 | make public servers reg on listing :) |
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| 22:26.00 | PIBagent | I was wondering, how do you load a level to play that you have created? |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM2501 | run a server with -world "your file name" |
| 22:26.22 | JeffM2501 | then join that server |
| 22:26.28 | JeffM2501 | using a client |
| 22:26.38 | JeffM2501 | and it'll be a local server with your map file |
| 22:26.49 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 22:27.25 | PIBagent | windows |
| 22:27.54 | JeffM2501 | ever use the command line? |
| 22:28.01 | PIBagent | nope |
| 22:28.24 | JeffM2501 | best for you then would be to edit one of the server shortcuts that was installed |
| 22:28.30 | JeffM2501 | put your map file in your bzflag folder |
| 22:28.39 | PIBagent | ok |
| 22:28.48 | JeffM2501 | edit one of the shortcuts ( the HIX one ) and replace the map name with your map name |
| 22:28.48 | PIBagent | any specific folder in the Bzflag folder |
| 22:28.56 | JeffM2501 | same place the bzfs.exe is |
| 22:29.06 | JeffM2501 | makes it easyest |
| 22:30.05 | JeffM2501 | just right click on the "start server (hix [public] ffa )" shortcut and hit properies |
| 22:30.13 | PIBagent | Another problem that has come up is that when I try to start my own server it says something about an unknown error occured. Anyother computer it works fine. |
| 22:30.20 | JeffM2501 | then change the part in the target that says -world HIX.bzw to your map |
| 22:30.37 | JeffM2501 | how are you starting the server? |
| 22:31.26 | PIBagent | I hit the start server button under the join games option |
| 22:31.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:31.47 | JeffM2501 | well if it can't find the bzfs.exe it could give that error |
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| 22:31.57 | JeffM2501 | or if you don't have permisions to run it |
| 22:32.05 | JeffM2501 | or the command line is too long ( windows has a limit ) |
| 22:32.14 | JeffM2501 | best to run servers from shortcuts or the command line |
| 22:32.23 | JeffM2501 | and not from the in game menu ( it's very limited ) |
| 22:32.48 | PIBagent | it works on other computers I have tried it on other computers and it works just fine |
| 22:32.55 | JeffM2501 | same version of windows? |
| 22:32.59 | JeffM2501 | same permisions? |
| 22:33.12 | PIBagent | what? |
| 22:33.25 | JeffM2501 | are all the computers runing the same windows? |
| 22:33.53 | PIBagent | well the ones that I tested it on were Machintosh |
| 22:34.00 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:34.05 | PIBagent | is it that much of a difference |
| 22:34.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:34.19 | JeffM2501 | difrent OSs work difrently :) |
| 22:34.35 | PIBagent | I know that, but about the game set up |
| 22:34.37 | JeffM2501 | what OS was the one that did not work |
| 22:34.59 | PIBagent | windows xp |
| 22:35.11 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 22:35.19 | JeffM2501 | dono off the top of my head |
| 22:35.22 | PIBagent | it works fine on mac os x |
| 22:35.56 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:36.07 | JeffM2501 | it's suposed to work fine on all OSs |
| 22:36.45 | PIBagent | if I were to play on someone elses server it works fine too. |
| 22:36.56 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:37.04 | PIBagent | its just trouble trying to make it on this os |
| 22:37.10 | JeffM2501 | probably something in the paths or command line it sends the server |
| 22:37.29 | JeffM2501 | are you an administrator user on that system? |
| 22:37.41 | JeffM2501 | does your user account have permisions to run an app in that dir? |
| 22:37.47 | PIBagent | I guess Id be the administrator |
| 22:38.02 | PIBagent | I usually use the non-administrative account |
| 22:38.17 | PIBagent | but I can use the administrative account if I need to |
| 22:38.34 | JeffM2501 | a non admin account may not have perms to run the bzfs.exe that the game trys to run when you say "start server" |
| 22:38.42 | JeffM2501 | that's all that I can think of |
| 22:38.55 | PIBagent | ok give me a few mins to test this out. |
| 22:43.56 | PIBagent | nope, didnt work |
| 22:44.04 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:44.07 | JeffM2501 | dono then |
| 22:44.18 | JeffM2501 | run from shortcut or command line and see if that works |
| 22:44.18 | PIBagent | it gives the same error even in the admin account |
| 22:44.43 | PIBagent | would that happen to be the command prompt tool thing? |
| 22:44.57 | PIBagent | I dont use it that often thats why I am asking |
| 22:45.01 | JeffM2501 | tooL? |
| 22:45.06 | JeffM2501 | it's part of your OS |
| 22:45.08 | PIBagent | the program |
| 22:45.10 | JeffM2501 | dos prompt |
| 22:45.14 | PIBagent | yes |
| 22:45.29 | PIBagent | Im guessing thats what I have to use |
| 22:45.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:45.43 | JeffM2501 | servers are all command line driven |
| 22:45.55 | JeffM2501 | or you can modify a shortcut to pass in paramaters |
| 22:46.03 | PIBagent | ok, command prompt opened |
| 22:46.10 | PIBagent | what do I put |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | cd to the dir where bzflag is |
| 22:46.22 | JeffM2501 | then run bzfs.exe |
| 22:46.41 | PIBagent | ummm.............how would I right it? |
| 22:46.53 | JeffM2501 | where is your bzflag? |
| 22:47.03 | PIBagent | in my documents |
| 22:47.18 | PIBagent | uner Bzflag 2.0.0 |
| 22:47.22 | JeffM2501 | you installed bzflag into your my documenents ? |
| 22:47.28 | JeffM2501 | that's not the default place |
| 22:47.34 | PIBagent | no |
| 22:47.44 | PIBagent | thats were I keep the short cut and stuff |
| 22:47.53 | JeffM2501 | where is the actual program? |
| 22:48.03 | JeffM2501 | shortcuts are not the program |
| 22:48.12 | PIBagent | I know that |
| 22:48.20 | PIBagent | its in my computers |
| 22:48.24 | JeffM2501 | you need to know where the program is |
| 22:48.28 | JeffM2501 | the full path to it |
| 22:48.35 | DTRemenak | PIBagent: "Start Server" on windows in 2.0.0 was broken |
| 22:48.48 | DTRemenak | use the command line or upgrade to 2.0.2 |
| 22:49.14 | PIBagent | just a sec AVG just said that it found a virus |
| 22:49.17 | JeffM2501 | or a shortcut |
| 22:49.26 | PIBagent | let me delete it |
| 22:51.45 | PIBagent | ok |
| 22:51.59 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-014-022.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:52.04 | PIBagent | you said that the start server in 2.0.0 was broken |
| 22:52.10 | JeffM2501 | in the GUI |
| 22:52.19 | JeffM2501 | you can upgrade to 2.0.2 |
| 22:52.24 | JeffM2501 | or run it from shortcut or CLI |
| 22:52.30 | PIBagent | *crash* |
| 22:52.46 | PIBagent | ok then let me upgrade to 2.0.2 |
| 22:52.51 | PIBagent | hold on |
| 22:53.02 | DTRemenak | lots of other stuff was fixed also |
| 22:53.11 | JeffM2501 | tis a good thing |
| 22:54.15 | PIBagent | but why does this bug only affect the windows version of 2.0.0 BZflag? |
| 22:54.49 | DTRemenak | it was in windows-specific code |
| 22:55.08 | JeffM2501 | because every OS is difrent |
| 22:56.00 | PIBagent | I know, but when I use version 2.0.0 os x it doesnt do anything |
| 22:58.39 | PIBagent | ok its downloading now, it should take it 24 mins |
| 22:59.08 | JeffM2501 | dialup? |
| 22:59.17 | PIBagent | yep |
| 22:59.21 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 22:59.27 | PIBagent | thats all Ive got |
| 23:00.13 | DTRemenak | decent dialup though. it takes me at least an hour for 8 mb. |
| 23:00.58 | PIBagent | well i do have a pretty good computer |
| 23:01.01 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so you'd give up your what DS3 for dialup then? |
| 23:01.06 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 23:01.10 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: never :) |
| 23:01.25 | DTRemenak | but summer happens... five weeks or so :( |
| 23:01.28 | PIBagent | be right back |
| 23:01.50 | JeffM2501 | by summer I'll probably have 2 DSL lines |
| 23:02.00 | JeffM2501 | 3 megs down /768k up each |
| 23:02.04 | purple_cow | 2 DSL lines is more complicated than it sounds ;) |
| 23:02.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:02.10 | JeffM2501 | not doing your thing |
| 23:02.16 | JeffM2501 | not the merging |
| 23:02.21 | JeffM2501 | one for hosting |
| 23:02.23 | JeffM2501 | one for using |
| 23:02.28 | JeffM2501 | if they can do it |
| 23:02.31 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:02.31 | JeffM2501 | at the address |
| 23:03.19 | JeffM2501 | I need more consitency in bandwith then I do raw speed |
| 23:03.25 | JeffM2501 | 3 megs down per line is fine |
| 23:03.30 | JeffM2501 | and 768 up isn't horible at all |
| 23:03.32 | DTRemenak | sadly, I'm not sure even that would satisfy me after being here for nine months :) |
| 23:03.36 | JeffM2501 | for 40$ each |
| 23:03.59 | JeffM2501 | what kinda connect you have now? |
| 23:04.38 | DTRemenak | 100mb total |
| 23:04.44 | DTRemenak | most I've ever been able to pull is 24mb |
| 23:05.05 | JeffM2501 | how many pipes does the school have to the net? |
| 23:05.07 | DTRemenak | fun to download the mozilla suite in less than a second though |
| 23:05.15 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:05.16 | DTRemenak | nine that I know of |
| 23:05.24 | JeffM2501 | that is a decent number |
| 23:05.33 | DTRemenak | err, ten |
| 23:05.37 | DTRemenak | maybe eleven |
| 23:05.55 | JeffM2501 | I remember once, accedently downlaoding debina disk1 when I was just verifying the URL for orchid |
| 23:06.16 | DTRemenak | one for each of the seven hovses, one for the on-campus graduate housing, one for the cs dept, one for administration. |
| 23:06.28 | PIBagent | Im back. |
| 23:06.36 | DTRemenak | probably others too |
| 23:06.42 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 23:06.53 | DTRemenak | those are just the specific ones I know about |
| 23:07.03 | PIBagent | whats different about 2.0.2 from 2.0.0? |
| 23:07.09 | JeffM2501 | bug fixes |
| 23:07.12 | JeffM2501 | and little thi8ngs |
| 23:07.15 | PIBagent | aside from the fact of the bugs and stuff |
| 23:07.16 | JeffM2501 | there is a changelog |
| 23:07.18 | DTRemenak | many many bugfixes, and a couple nifty features |
| 23:07.24 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro) |
| 23:07.27 | JeffM2501 | no major features in the game tho |
| 23:07.33 | DTRemenak | downloadable textures, for instance |
| 23:07.35 | JeffM2501 | bigest one is probably downloadable textures |
| 23:07.45 | JeffM2501 | well probalby not that big for you |
| 23:07.54 | DTRemenak | "big" indeed :P |
| 23:08.05 | JeffM2501 | some permisions changed for public servers |
| 23:08.09 | JeffM2501 | some new perms were added |
| 23:08.26 | JeffM2501 | couple groups renamed |
| 23:08.34 | PIBagent | any new weapons or weapon changes |
| 23:08.41 | JeffM2501 | ohh no |
| 23:08.50 | JeffM2501 | no gameplay/flag/weapon changes in minor versions |
| 23:09.04 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.2 is compatable with 2.0.0 so it has to behave like 2.0.0 |
| 23:09.16 | JeffM2501 | all the 2.0.x versions would follow that |
| 23:09.32 | JeffM2501 | any incompatable changes would have to be in like a 2.2.x |
| 23:10.00 | wegstar | O_o |
| 23:10.18 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 23:10.36 | DTRemenak | ! |
| 23:10.41 | JeffM2501 | # |
| 23:11.56 | PIBagent | Well, while im waiting for the the thing to completely download, anybody know any good stratagies for playing BZflag |
| 23:12.10 | JeffM2501 | don't get shot |
| 23:12.21 | PIBagent | besides dont get shot |
| 23:12.29 | PIBagent | I knew someone was going to say that |
| 23:13.09 | brad2901 | http://shellshock.bzflag.bz - Try there |
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| 23:25.23 | PIBagent | Gotta go |
| 23:25.28 | PIBagent | Ill be back |
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