| 00:01.16 | JeffM2501 | doubt it's changed |
| 00:01.28 | blast007 | hmm |
| 00:01.28 | JeffM2501 | proto bump :) |
| 00:01.33 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 00:01.34 | JeffM2501 | if your going to build anyway :) |
| 00:01.42 | JeffM2501 | then no tricks |
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| 01:28.16 | sussudio | baah. |
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| 01:45.10 | sussudio | MAC. |
| 01:45.15 | MeBigFatGuy | yo |
| 01:45.37 | sussudio | since i've installed the latest radeon driver for win2000, bzflag doesn't automatically set the gamma anymore... |
| 01:45.55 | sussudio | i think it has something to do with the GLReset someone removed somewhere |
| 01:46.13 | MeBigFatGuy | could be |
| 01:46.25 | sussudio | is it fixable? |
| 01:46.42 | MeBigFatGuy | in theory...sure |
| 01:46.48 | sussudio | :-| |
| 01:48.06 | MeBigFatGuy | do any error codes come back gamma is attempted to be set? |
| 01:48.24 | sussudio | where would it show errors? |
| 01:48.37 | MeBigFatGuy | debugger, i suppose |
| 01:48.52 | sussudio | i'd have to recompile, i suppose? |
| 01:49.13 | MeBigFatGuy | no, wouldn't think so |
| 01:49.28 | sussudio | where do i set the debug then |
| 01:49.45 | blast007 | it might not throw any errors at all |
| 01:49.59 | MeBigFatGuy | not on windoz i assume? |
| 01:50.38 | sussudio | i'm on win2000 |
| 01:50.57 | MeBigFatGuy | got vc7? |
| 01:51.12 | sussudio | mingw32 |
| 01:51.24 | MeBigFatGuy | mmm no idear, sorry |
| 01:51.50 | sussudio | it wouldn't compile on vc6 last time i tried |
| 01:52.17 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm dtr i think uses vc6 |
| 01:52.44 | sussudio | mingw32 is easier |
| 01:53.15 | sussudio | it's like linux on windows :-| |
| 01:53.26 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 01:53.31 | blast007 | dtr uses 7.1 now I think |
| 01:53.35 | bryjen | jeff and dtr were talking about vc7.something earlier |
| 01:54.05 | blast007 | yeah, there's been some issues with the latest CVS, on windows |
| 01:54.26 | blast007 | mainly it couldn't access the list server, get the motd, and stuff like that |
| 01:54.29 | sussudio | blast007: with ming? |
| 01:54.40 | blast007 | not sure if ming was affected |
| 01:54.54 | blast007 | I know that VC7.1 was |
| 01:55.03 | sussudio | i changed the motd server to localhost, it was timing out a lot a while ago |
| 01:55.07 | bryjen | winsock/curl borkage. includes n' stuff |
| 01:55.27 | blast007 | might be fixed by now...haven't tried a build |
| 01:55.45 | sussudio | takes about 45 to build :-P |
| 01:56.06 | MeBigFatGuy | seconds? |
| 01:56.13 | sussudio | minutes |
| 01:56.24 | MeBigFatGuy | ouch... time to upgrade from the franklin |
| 01:56.27 | blast007 | 45 seconds would be nice ;) |
| 01:56.34 | sussudio | meh. |
| 01:56.38 | MeBigFatGuy | its about 1min for me |
| 01:56.45 | sussudio | MeBigFatGuy: with mingw32? |
| 01:56.47 | blast007 | clean build? |
| 01:57.06 | sussudio | a 50Ghz machine? |
| 01:57.09 | MeBigFatGuy | vc7 |
| 01:57.16 | MeBigFatGuy | 3.2 |
| 01:57.26 | bryjen | and do the lights dim when you power it up? ;) |
| 01:57.31 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 01:57.34 | sussudio | so it would still take about 15 mins with ming32 on that one |
| 01:58.36 | sussudio | the lights actually dim when i turn on the HP LaserJet IIISi here. |
| 01:59.14 | bryjen | ~nslookup 157.238.213.130 |
| 02:00.00 | bryjen | ack, whas dat |
| 02:00.15 | bryjen | ~nslookup www.alliedtelesyn.com |
| 02:00.33 | sussudio | ~nslookup www.badgerbadgerbadger.com |
| 02:00.50 | bryjen | ibot: ? |
| 02:07.03 | blast007 | hrm, seems the problem still exists...just compiled from the latest anon CVS, and it gives "Can't talk with list server" |
| 02:07.03 | blast007 | :( |
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| 03:38.03 | jpa- | morning |
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| 03:50.41 | findlay | what's going on if bzflag suddenly becomes consistently jumpy? Many other GL applications seem to work fine |
| 03:51.04 | jpa- | humm.. some process in the background? |
| 03:51.07 | findlay | I've tried re installing bzflag without any improvement |
| 03:51.14 | jpa- | is the whole game jumpy or just other tanks? |
| 03:51.20 | findlay | not other than usual |
| 03:51.24 | findlay | the whole game |
| 03:51.52 | findlay | like when I'm not using an nvidia driver (which I am) |
| 03:52.13 | jpa- | and it happens all of sudden while playing? |
| 03:52.46 | findlay | yes, a couple of days ago, it is really baffling me since all other GL programs I've tried work as normal |
| 03:53.00 | jpa- | strange |
| 03:53.27 | jpa- | can't help you then, other than maybe trying cvs/atleast newest stable |
| 04:06.15 | TimRiker | sounds like sportchick's issue. |
| 04:06.18 | TimRiker | win*? |
| 04:06.48 | TimRiker | findlay: try running with -mute and see if that effects it |
| 04:07.32 | findlay | TimRiker: somebody actually said that a couple of minutes ago (: |
| 04:07.35 | findlay | TimRiker: OK |
| 04:09.22 | findlay | no, Gentoo Base System version 1.4.16 |
| 04:14.54 | findlay | 'bzflag -mute' properly mutes the audio, but does not fix the jerkiness |
| 04:17.34 | findlay | hmm, seems only to happen whey I'm connected to a world (server) |
| 04:18.02 | findlay | meaning that the navigating through menus is fine until I connect |
| 04:18.15 | findlay | perhaps it's network related |
| 04:26.30 | TimRiker | what kind of connection are you on? |
| 04:26.38 | findlay | DSL |
| 04:26.53 | uso | maybe there's something broken, i get sporadic freezes since my last cvs update |
| 04:27.03 | findlay | but it behaves the same when connected to a local instance of bzfs |
| 04:28.09 | uso | duration may be some 10th of a second, but today i got one which may have lasts 2 or 3 seconds |
| 04:29.29 | uso | also i get more often non reachable or have highly increased lag for a short time |
| 04:30.48 | TimRiker | it's not just connecting, right? it's game play? |
| 04:31.42 | uso | yes, it's while i'm playing |
| 04:32.46 | findlay | the game play is what seems to be jerky |
| 04:33.01 | uso | i normally have 20 or 30 ms to viper, after such an [nr] state server warns me for having several hundret ms (iirc about 700) |
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| 05:02.38 | Pimpinella | uso that case micht be server side though |
| 05:03.25 | Pimpinella | there hed been some network issues again lately |
| 05:08.44 | uso | Pimpinella: yeah, could also be, may have to ask other players next time if they also had a freeze |
| 05:09.32 | uso | i don't remember if i got frozen on other servers too |
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| 05:11.09 | uso | ruskie: if you are there, do you have a minus sign in front of your longitude value? |
| 05:11.50 | uso | this seem to fix my time shift between bzflag and real world sunrise/sunset |
| 05:12.37 | uso | so i assume longitudes east of greenwich must have negative values |
| 05:17.54 | uso | Pimpinella: do you have DOS or other attacks on viper? somebody (you?) told viper is on 100Mbit? |
| 05:18.41 | uso | you must have a really good place for it, i have 14 ms ping to it at the moment :) |
| 05:19.09 | uso | and about half of this is already my cable connection |
| 05:34.58 | Pimpinella | uso: depends on your isp, you're probably only a few hops away |
| 05:36.09 | Pimpinella | tough shooter lives only a few kilometers apart from the server and has higher lag than you ;) |
| 05:36.44 | Pimpinella | bomber too |
| 05:38.42 | Pimpinella | it's not the server's connection, but heavy load that blows up pingtimes now and then |
| 05:39.28 | Pimpinella | though the houser had internal problems too earlier |
| 05:42.05 | ruskie | uso, k tnx... will try |
| 05:44.04 | ruskie | Pimpinella, I on occassion get 1000+ lags and that's due to some route along the way... always the same one :) |
| 05:44.42 | ruskie | good morrow all |
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| 08:27.00 | ruskie | gaaahhh now some austrian route is causing me lag on viper... :( |
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| 08:59.46 | Pimpinella | oh,yes, the austrian had always been somewhat slow ;) |
| 09:39.29 | ruskie | gaahh still can't play... :'( |
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| 10:15.13 | ruskie | http://www.uta.at/ <-- great these shitheads are causing my lag problems |
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| 13:12.58 | jpa- | morning |
| 13:14.00 | ruskie | jo |
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| 13:34.41 | uso | i'm probably several hundred kilometers away from viper, but i have only 7 hops |
| 13:35.03 | uso | i have larger ping times to my company, which is only a few kilometers away |
| 13:35.18 | uso | Pimpi: where is vper located? frankfurt? |
| 13:35.53 | uso | ruskie: such problems do i have with hepcat :( |
| 13:36.44 | uso | oversea lines seem to have trouble from time to time, especially gblx.net |
| 13:37.03 | ruskie | I don't know how far I'm away from viper |
| 13:37.09 | ruskie | but it's some route in austria that's causing me grief |
| 13:37.50 | ruskie | I mean 2000ms lag.... |
| 13:38.02 | ruskie | well off to prep lunch... |
| 13:38.20 | uso | thst's really a lot |
| 13:39.29 | uso | ruskie: you are UTC+4h? |
| 13:39.44 | uso | or 3? |
| 13:40.11 | Pimpi | yeah, Frankfurt/Main |
| 13:40.59 | uso | one of the best places for connectivity in de :) |
| 13:41.37 | Pimpi | yep, it has a quite good connection to DE-CIX |
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| 14:30.37 | ruskie | uso, cest :) |
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| 14:56.25 | uso_w | ruskie: aww, same timezone as here, i thought it were an hour or two difference :) |
| 15:00.12 | ruskie | gaahhh still have that ungodly lag.... |
| 15:01.55 | uso_w | hehe, even albania still have our time zone |
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| 15:02.37 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:02.43 | ruskie | most europe has it... |
| 15:03.08 | uso_w | yeah, from spain to albania all one zone |
| 15:03.25 | uso_w | but romania and bulgaria are +1h |
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| 16:10.56 | JeffM2501 | trepan, how does one make wings3d plugins? it seems to have merit as a conversion tool |
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| 16:36.43 | spldart | YAY! JeffM is considering doing some BZ Wings3d plugin development!! :-D |
| 16:36.54 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:39.26 | JeffM2501 | did I say for BZ? |
| 16:39.32 | spldart | :( |
| 16:39.35 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 16:39.39 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 16:39.43 | spldart | My bad.... this being a bz channel :( |
| 16:40.01 | spldart | I guess I made an Ass.. out of U and Me? |
| 16:40.04 | spldart | or not hehe |
| 16:40.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:40.14 | JeffM2501 | it may in the end help out this channel |
| 16:40.20 | JeffM2501 | mostly I'm just curious |
| 16:40.25 | spldart | kew |
| 16:40.38 | JeffM2501 | since it seems to be some sorta compiled binary cross plat bytecode thingy |
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| 17:22.18 | trepan | JeffM2501: one teaches one's self erlang |
| 17:22.37 | ruskie | yay my lag to viper droppeeddd!!!! |
| 17:22.43 | ruskie | \o/ yay \o/ |
| 17:25.39 | jpa- | ruskie: it will come back |
| 17:26.04 | ruskie | yeah but prolly through the one route that always get's lagged up |
| 17:31.45 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I saw that as I read, looks like some sort of bytecode thingy |
| 17:32.16 | JeffM2501 | tho on my wings install, I had a "import and export" dir that I put the plugins in and they worked fine, didn't have to do the ebin thing |
| 17:32.26 | trepan | yupper, a la java (figures, designed for teleco folk, interop is king) |
| 17:32.55 | JeffM2501 | it seems to work well |
| 17:33.01 | trepan | ya, it'll look in several places to pickup the files |
| 17:33.02 | JeffM2501 | how hard was it to make the plugin? |
| 17:33.09 | trepan | pretty easy |
| 17:33.12 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:33.18 | JeffM2501 | tho binary spike dosn't seem to "get it" |
| 17:33.45 | trepan | that's prolly why i didn't sleep well last night |
| 17:33.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:34.42 | JeffM2501 | maybe it was the sandwitch |
| 17:34.51 | trepan | wings' obj import need better handling of hard edge detection on similar vertex detection |
| 17:35.38 | JeffM2501 | maybe a simple reindex or clean up plugin exists |
| 17:35.42 | trepan | the same holds true for blender |
| 17:36.05 | trepan | haven't seen it, could be |
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| 17:37.59 | jpa- | hi Birdie |
| 17:38.11 | Birdie | good evening jpa- |
| 17:51.35 | JeffM2501 | does it suport plugins? |
| 17:51.41 | trepan | looks like Cheeta3D is MacOSX only |
| 17:52.44 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't look to be free |
| 17:53.41 | ToughShooter | It supports Plug-ins, just not sure exactly how much they can extent the app |
| 17:53.50 | JeffM2501 | only mention of plugins on the features page is about shaders in the renedere |
| 17:54.03 | JeffM2501 | ask them if they have an API and how to make plugins |
| 17:54.38 | JeffM2501 | if it's C then just take the code from modelTool and make a plugin outa it |
| 17:54.47 | ToughShooter | k |
| 17:54.50 | JeffM2501 | or use wings as a converter |
| 17:55.25 | trepan | JeffM2501: blender's list of i/o formats is longer then wings', and its plugins are done in python (a little more common then erlang, i'd guess) |
| 17:55.34 | JeffM2501 | that is true |
| 17:55.39 | JeffM2501 | blender would work fine as well |
| 17:55.52 | JeffM2501 | tho people seem to fear blender |
| 17:56.00 | ToughShooter | yup, me too |
| 17:56.24 | ToughShooter | I'm having trouble with camera on wings 3d however |
| 17:56.27 | JeffM2501 | your going to find it hard to get help with a comerial tool like that tho |
| 17:57.17 | ToughShooter | ~x en de dig |
| 17:57.25 | JeffM2501 | for me wings is a little easyer for me to understand interface wise |
| 17:57.30 | JeffM2501 | I still prefer lightwave |
| 17:57.34 | ToughShooter | ~dict dig |
| 17:58.14 | JeffM2501 | it means he likes it |
| 17:58.28 | ToughShooter | Cheetah is so much easier and has some nice features |
| 17:58.44 | JeffM2501 | but costs 70$ |
| 17:59.07 | trepan | (gcide) 5. To like; enjoy; admire. The whole class digs Pearl Jam. [Colloq.] |
| 17:59.37 | ToughShooter | I decided to buy it..don't think I have to pay 70$ |
| 17:59.52 | JeffM2501 | its what the price sheet shows |
| 18:00.06 | ToughShooter | Money Transfer (German customers only) :) |
| 18:00.15 | ToughShooter | I'm a student, too |
| 18:00.27 | JeffM2501 | since I don't read German I don't know what that par says |
| 18:01.17 | JeffM2501 | what I see is this |
| 18:01.18 | JeffM2501 | Single user license |
| 18:01.18 | JeffM2501 | 69 US$ |
| 18:01.18 | JeffM2501 | Upgrade from version 1.x |
| 18:01.18 | JeffM2501 | 39 US$ |
| 18:01.18 | JeffM2501 | Site license (for schools, universities, etc.) |
| 18:01.19 | JeffM2501 | 699 US$ |
| 18:01.22 | ToughShooter | Most germans don't use credit cards, not useful in germany |
| 18:01.30 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 18:02.09 | ToughShooter | It's only good when not having much money with you |
| 18:02.18 | JeffM2501 | why cary money? |
| 18:02.35 | JeffM2501 | cash is so 20th centry |
| 18:02.53 | ToughShooter | Card can be stolen |
| 18:02.57 | JeffM2501 | so can cash :) |
| 18:03.09 | JeffM2501 | one phone call makes the card worthless |
| 18:03.22 | JeffM2501 | can't do that with cash |
| 18:03.35 | ToughShooter | I don't think people have that amount of many with them physically |
| 18:03.52 | JeffM2501 | still |
| 18:04.30 | JeffM2501 | banks protect you from stolen cards, since the retailer should not have accepted it |
| 18:04.59 | JeffM2501 | I rarely cary cash |
| 18:05.09 | JeffM2501 | most things I buy are on debit card |
| 18:05.25 | JeffM2501 | in the real and online worlds |
| 18:06.41 | ToughShooter | At least I fear loosing it. Who guarantees that my bank will protect me.. |
| 18:07.01 | JeffM2501 | umm your contract with your bank does :) |
| 18:07.03 | ToughShooter | A credit card would cost me extra money, too |
| 18:07.16 | JeffM2501 | my debit card/credit card is free |
| 18:07.26 | JeffM2501 | all part of direct deposit into my checking account |
| 18:07.42 | JeffM2501 | I never have to even cash or deposit my paychecks |
| 18:08.17 | JeffM2501 | purchases come right outa checking first |
| 18:08.21 | JeffM2501 | then go to credit |
| 18:08.25 | JeffM2501 | if that is empty |
| 18:08.37 | JeffM2501 | and I get a list of transations online |
| 18:08.42 | JeffM2501 | can check em every month |
| 18:08.55 | JeffM2501 | if one dosn't make sense I tell the bank, they pull it off and check it out. |
| 18:09.48 | JeffM2501 | probalby just difrent culturaly |
| 18:09.59 | JeffM2501 | now euopean money looks cooler then US money |
| 18:10.07 | ToughShooter | I think so |
| 18:10.08 | JeffM2501 | so maybe that's why you all have it :) |
| 18:11.02 | ToughShooter | However our government took Gauß of our money :(( |
| 18:11.10 | ToughShooter | s/of/off |
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| 18:11.38 | JeffM2501 | quarters are about all the cash I realy have around |
| 18:11.39 | ToughShooter | He was a famous math genie |
| 18:11.40 | JeffM2501 | for soda machiens |
| 18:55.02 | Tupone | JeffM2501: any progress on bzflag? |
| 18:55.12 | Tupone | does not work? |
| 18:55.24 | JeffM2501 | never got a chance to try :( |
| 18:55.32 | JeffM2501 | had to do rotary head stuff |
| 18:56.07 | Tupone | ok, lemme know when you had a chance to do |
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| 18:59.02 | JeffM2501 | I got latest |
| 18:59.03 | JeffM2501 | and build |
| 18:59.05 | JeffM2501 | same problems |
| 19:05.28 | Tupone | :( |
| 19:05.47 | trepan | kill libcurl, and settle on simple http =) |
| 19:07.54 | brlcad | kill kill! |
| 19:07.57 | brlcad | *ahem* |
| 19:08.20 | brlcad | oh, libcurl.. erm.. |
| 19:08.35 | trepan | you suckin' on a penguin mint? |
| 19:12.13 | brlcad | of course |
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| 19:19.20 | Pimpi | ~seen Death_Barrel |
| 19:19.33 | ibot | death_barrel <~Death@adsl-70-240-117-96.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 1h 27m 45s ago, saying: 'trepan, hehe i need to read my books, i procrastinate way too much about learning to code'. |
| 19:20.16 | Pimpi | ~x en de procrastinate |
| 19:20.30 | Pimpi | !dict procrastinate |
| 19:20.55 | Pimpi | ~dict procrastinate |
| 19:23.50 | cosmos | heh according to Yugi its "no more mr nice guy" |
| 19:27.08 | Birdie | pff i banned him AGAIN |
| 19:27.48 | cosmos | heh birdie |
| 19:27.55 | cosmos | your in the super admins now btw |
| 19:28.14 | Birdie | yea i saw that, thx |
| 19:29.41 | cosmos | he sent me an email the other day begging to be unbanned which i forwarded to jeffm for amusement |
| 19:29.59 | cosmos | then he sends another one proclaiming himself the ultimate bzflag hacker and no server is safe yada yada |
| 19:30.56 | Birdie | pff why asking for unban when he has more ip's than anyone |
| 19:31.13 | cosmos | well his id got revoked from bzbb |
| 19:31.51 | spldart | He has stopped by my server but was not a problem. |
| 19:32.22 | cosmos | he usually does not become a problem until you get more players |
| 19:32.23 | cosmos | then he tks |
| 19:32.25 | cosmos | steals flags |
| 19:32.28 | cosmos | curses admins etc |
| 19:33.40 | spldart | I had to ban another guy for cursing admins this last weekend |
| 19:34.09 | spldart | Oryx |
| 19:34.28 | spldart | Course the only admins on my server is my family :) |
| 19:36.19 | cosmos | here you go spldart http://bbspot.com/News/2000/9/linux_laid.html |
| 19:38.09 | cosmos | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/04/open_source_cologne.html |
| 19:38.27 | spldart | LOL |
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| 20:19.57 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, if you abstract the URL manager more, I can just let the windows API do the HTTP stuff |
| 20:20.14 | JeffM2501 | thow in some MFC, maybe some ATL ;) |
| 20:21.20 | Tupone | the curl guy already did abstraction, I think |
| 20:21.48 | Tupone | a double abstraction |
| 20:22.02 | JeffM2501 | the manager class you made, had CURL in it's header |
| 20:22.13 | JeffM2501 | or is that class called by the normal URL manager? |
| 20:22.32 | JeffM2501 | tho I'd be beaten if I put MFC in bz |
| 20:23.08 | JeffM2501 | for the weight would hang heavy on my very soul |
| 20:23.35 | JeffM2501 | it's it's REALY slow |
| 20:23.55 | Tupone | It is just libcurl, but I think he (the curl guy + communuty) already did some abstraction, you don't think so? |
| 20:24.02 | JeffM2501 | probaby better to yank the code for HTTP out of libcurl |
| 20:24.09 | JeffM2501 | put it into the net lib directly |
| 20:24.16 | JeffM2501 | and make it work with out net pipeline |
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| 20:24.37 | JeffM2501 | ohh I'm sure they have some abstraction, |
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| 20:26.02 | aaronf0 | hello |
| 20:26.09 | Tupone | so why not using their abstraction (libcurl). But I'm lost, how to debug. I don't want M$ here. It is ethically uncorrect |
| 20:26.22 | aaronf0 | linux/gentoo/just updated my kernel headers, but not my kernel |
| 20:27.04 | aaronf0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.04 | aaronf0 | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 20:27.04 | Tupone | make it work windowed |
| 20:27.04 | JeffM2501 | your video driver is calling functions of your kernel that it dosn't support |
| 20:27.06 | aaronf0 | hmm |
| 20:27.11 | aaronf0 | have to update my kernel? |
| 20:27.19 | JeffM2501 | I belive they should match |
| 20:27.24 | aaronf0 | damn |
| 20:27.33 | JeffM2501 | the headers will tell apps and drivrers what functions they can call |
| 20:27.40 | JeffM2501 | if they call stuff the kernel dosn't support |
| 20:27.43 | aaronf0 | how do i set a resolution on the window? |
| 20:27.44 | JeffM2501 | well then that would be bad |
| 20:27.54 | JeffM2501 | -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 20:27.57 | aaronf0 | thx |
| 20:28.00 | JeffM2501 | or what ever res you want |
| 20:28.09 | aaronf0 | the --hlep needs to be sorted out a bit |
| 20:28.13 | aaronf0 | *--help |
| 20:28.16 | JeffM2501 | that can't be a stable system if you have stuff built with headers that don't match. |
| 20:28.39 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 20:28.46 | aaronf0 | i just updated kernel headers |
| 20:28.51 | aaronf0 | and im still sorting through the mess |
| 20:29.11 | Tupone | aaronf0: I think, if you wanna update the headers, to get new function on the kernel, at least need to rebuild glibc |
| 20:29.24 | Tupone | look at some wiki, howto to do that |
| 20:29.25 | aaronf0 | k |
| 20:29.29 | aaronf0 | thanks |
| 20:29.38 | aaronf0 | emerge -v glibc ? |
| 20:29.52 | Tupone | I go with an emerge --update --newuse --deep world and see what it says |
| 20:30.02 | Tupone | I'd :) |
| 20:30.31 | aaronf0 | ok |
| 20:31.42 | aaronf0 | im thinking of that dep-check thing |
| 20:31.54 | Tupone | Dunno if that is your problem, but updating header and not the c library is like saying this is my new interface, but the implementation does not support the new things |
| 20:32.12 | Tupone | dep check ? I'll read the doc |
| 20:32.18 | aaronf0 | not in portage |
| 20:32.22 | aaronf0 | er emerge |
| 20:32.28 | aaronf0 | its in the gentoolkit |
| 20:32.48 | Tupone | don't do it, just the emerge command |
| 20:33.02 | Tupone | dep check does not check the header |
| 20:33.04 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 20:33.24 | aaronf0 | k |
| 20:34.34 | Tupone | http://gentoo-wiki.com/NPTL << if you have 2.6 kernel and want native pposix thread library now is the time |
| 20:34.46 | aaronf0 | k |
| 20:34.55 | aaronf0 | what is natice posix threading? |
| 20:35.09 | aaronf0 | *native |
| 20:37.25 | Tupone | read the doc, is a native implementation of posix thread in linux, Faster activation time. Not for bzflag, we don't use thread |
| 20:37.25 | aaronf0 | hmm, seems nice |
| 20:39.42 | aaronf0 | i just read that |
| 20:39.55 | aaronf0 | still dont quite understand it, but ill have to try... |
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| 20:41.46 | cosmos | hey its carnage the cheater! |
| 20:42.33 | menotume | really Carny - can't you do some other flag than geno every once in a while ? |
| 20:42.34 | Tupone | as you need to rebuild glibc, and normally it take some time, just modifying the make.conf you could get two pigeon with ... I dunno ... |
| 20:42.52 | aaronf0 | one -v? |
| 20:43.03 | cosmos | heh meno |
| 20:43.40 | _Carnage_ | i go for gm and laser but some1 always has them |
| 20:43.41 | Tupone | I do with -pv |
| 20:44.01 | Tupone | to see what they are doing |
| 20:44.12 | cosmos | carnage is hard at work making cheat clients ;) |
| 20:44.23 | cosmos | remember picking up flags is cheating |
| 20:44.27 | aaronf0 | -pv only pretends |
| 20:44.33 | aaronf0 | -v while compiling |
| 20:44.40 | aaronf0 | or -q if i dont want to watch |
| 20:45.27 | Tupone | I know what pv is for |
| 20:45.55 | Tupone | I alwasy do twice one with -pv and one without |
| 20:46.31 | aaronf0 | ahh |
| 20:46.36 | _Carnage_ | i cant make c/l yet cant get bz to compile -;( |
| 20:49.15 | Tupone | whats the problem with bz ? |
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| 20:51.51 | _Carnage_ | meh.. was cause of C something messed up in the install process i think, dont have it anymore so i dont know the msg it gave |
| 20:53.17 | Tupone | ok, let us know when we can help :) |
| 20:54.37 | JeffM2501 | what is "C" ? |
| 20:56.45 | DTRemenak | "C" is the letter after "B", JeffM2501. didn't you go to kindergarten? |
| 20:57.25 | Tupone | DTRemenak: nooh, don't go |
| 20:57.26 | aaronf0 | "D" comes next |
| 20:58.38 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 20:58.53 | Tupone | I should write in ada then |
| 20:59.21 | aaronf0 | rofl |
| 21:00.22 | cosmos | hey i only got the idea after reading about some tools rewriting the linux kernel in perl |
| 21:00.42 | aaronf0 | rofl |
| 21:00.54 | DTRemenak | "I read about it on the internet, therefore it must be real!" |
| 21:01.14 | cosmos | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/04/open_source_cologne.html |
| 21:01.21 | cosmos | this one is almost real |
| 21:01.27 | cosmos | he smells like crap in real life |
| 21:05.23 | cosmos | Under the new plan, instead of Americans investing a large percentage of savings in personal accounts and the stock market, that money will instead be diverted into 'lottery accounts.' In these lottery accounts the funds will be distributed across Quick Picks, Cash 4 Life, and Powerball tickets. |
| 21:05.31 | cosmos | According to Bush, hundreds of Americans will not only be able to retire early, but they will do so with "jillions of dollars." In his speech earlier today he dismissed critics who said his plan lacked any common sense. |
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| 21:12.39 | uso_w | hehe cosmos, so don't invite for flag cheating ... better remove ID flags from hepcat :) |
| 21:13.11 | cosmos | i posted a link for official hepcat cheat clients at www.bzflag.org/hepcat/cheats |
| 21:13.16 | cosmos | someone should grep the http logs heh |
| 21:13.21 | uso_w | lol |
| 21:13.48 | TimRiker | 404 |
| 21:13.55 | uso_w | ban could be automated :) |
| 21:14.10 | cosmos | ive had players privmsg me in the game asking where to get cheat clients |
| 21:15.05 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:15.17 | ruskie | those should be kicked by a 403 Forbiden error ;) |
| 21:15.31 | uso_w | hehe, i would make a cheat client which give them some little advantages for a few minutes and after this wipes out their disk *eg* |
| 21:15.46 | cosmos | an official cheat client that registers their ip back to bzbb would be fun |
| 21:15.57 | cosmos | download cheat client, wind up on masterban! |
| 21:15.59 | aaronf0 | nice |
| 21:16.07 | bryjen | or a cgi that streams 1gb of random characters at 1 b/s |
| 21:16.18 | bryjen | "Please wait..." |
| 21:16.23 | uso_w | heh |
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| 22:02.24 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, no I went to public school |
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| 23:58.15 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, what do I include to get bzdb access? |
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| 23:58.33 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, StateDatabase.h probably |
| 23:58.44 | JeffM2501 | gonna add a config overide of the profile dir |
| 23:58.59 | DTRemenak | we should probably just fix the saving to network share issue :) |
| 23:59.22 | DTRemenak | not saying a config option is a bad idea |