| 00:01.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/cURLManager.h src/common/cURLManager.cxx): Add an handler for working on data as soon as they arrive |
| 00:07.18 | doc4897 | Tupone, that worked. Thanks |
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| 00:07.28 | Tupone | yw |
| 00:28.11 | cosmos | hahaha, the average high school student thought "Hall and Oates" was a breakfast cereal on a recent pop culture quiz |
| 00:29.42 | menotume | lol, poor Darryl & John, reduced to crispy flakes |
| 00:30.05 | cosmos | its ok, they also thought the Gap Band was the one on the commercial |
| 00:30.12 | cosmos | american children are dolts |
| 00:30.19 | menotume | :) |
| 00:30.39 | cosmos | i refuse to have one. of course i hate kids to begin with |
| 00:33.27 | spldart | My kids are the exception of course ;) |
| 00:35.04 | cosmos | teach them to avoid the other children before they catch the stupidity |
| 00:35.06 | spldart | Eldest 138 IQ, Second 140 IQ, Third 135.. The last two are too young to be pro tested accurately. |
| 00:35.19 | spldart | I'm only a 136 IQ |
| 00:35.51 | cosmos | iq has nothing to do with social intelligence |
| 00:35.53 | spldart | My ex tested higher, suppossedly :-| She was a rock |
| 00:36.29 | cosmos | im talking about how self centered and unkowledgeable they are about the world around them |
| 00:36.31 | spldart | I'm working on the Soc.Q, Emot.Q and practical application of mechanical reasoning. |
| 00:36.47 | spldart | Since they were little. |
| 00:37.23 | cosmos | id teach mine how to kick the crap out of the other kids first. ;) |
| 00:37.28 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:37.44 | cosmos | im not having anyone come home crying after getting picked on |
| 00:37.47 | spldart | Well... I wrestle with them alot. |
| 00:38.22 | spldart | And BZFlag teaches hand eye coordination ;) |
| 00:39.18 | cosmos | heh |
| 00:39.34 | cosmos | i learned my hand eye coordination during playground fights |
| 00:39.39 | spldart | LMAO |
| 00:39.41 | spldart | Me too :( |
| 00:39.45 | cosmos | every summer was like the heavyweight circuit |
| 00:40.13 | cosmos | well, white + detroit + 70s/early 80s == brawl |
| 00:40.19 | jomojo | violent punks aren't we??? |
| 00:40.25 | spldart | yeah |
| 00:40.44 | spldart | Why do you think we love BZFlag so much? Blow poop up! |
| 00:40.45 | cosmos | im not violent. |
| 00:41.21 | wegstar | heh |
| 00:41.49 | cosmos | im a problem solver. mess with me and you get your face punched. problem solved. |
| 00:41.58 | spldart | Simple. Effective. |
| 00:42.36 | jomojo | not at all violent. I wonder how i could have thought you violent at all??? :P |
| 00:42.50 | cosmos | i came home crying once in like 1978. dad wouldnt let me back in the house until the other kid went home crying |
| 00:44.26 | jomojo | huh... well then might i suggest a few of my colleagues in the mental health field for you cosmos |
| 00:44.39 | cosmos | no thanks. |
| 00:44.49 | jomojo | The Freudians would love you |
| 00:44.59 | cosmos | if i want to talk to an empty void ill get a wife |
| 00:45.11 | spldart | Eek |
| 00:45.33 | cosmos | your right the freudians might like me, ive got good coke |
| 00:45.56 | cosmos | :) |
| 00:46.01 | jomojo | right then... forget the Freudians. your to fun to give to them |
| 00:46.23 | spldart | It's funny to talk to somebody in the mental health field... And knowing so much yourself you anticipate their questions and responses. And they get nowhere with you ;-) |
| 00:46.28 | cosmos | is he still popular in the psych field? i would have thought something new would have come along |
| 00:46.39 | jomojo | you have enough issues that i could finish writing my doctorate with you in mind |
| 00:47.00 | spldart | Besides. I defy categorization and analysis :D |
| 00:47.10 | cosmos | keep it up jomojo ill defrock you on hepcat! ;) |
| 00:47.53 | jomojo | well neo-Freudianism is sort of popular, some of his theories are still used, but his practices have long since been considered counterproductive at best quite often by most of us |
| 00:49.15 | jomojo | categorization is considerably over used, when few need to exist.. Such as Schizophrenia |
| 00:50.14 | spldart | I didn't mean diagnosis category.. Just personality type, etc.. |
| 00:50.55 | spldart | I'm not easily defined. |
| 00:51.13 | jomojo | defrocked from hepcat... :( you would do that to your first admin... I feel so disillusioned with bzflag now.... ;) |
| 00:51.21 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:51.33 | jomojo | any one who says they can easily define someone is a quack |
| 00:51.36 | spldart | At least he's not threatening to 'deflower' you :-0 |
| 00:51.44 | jomojo | ouch |
| 00:51.51 | spldart | Lotsa quacks out there. |
| 00:51.58 | jomojo | yup |
| 00:53.51 | jomojo | i wouldn't trust most of those in my field to provide therapy for my cats... |
| 00:54.18 | spldart | What's your doctorate going to be in? |
| 00:54.30 | jomojo | Clinical psych |
| 00:54.34 | spldart | IC |
| 00:54.37 | wegstar | ... |
| 00:55.00 | jomojo | but don't worry Cosmos if i refer someone to you i will make sure i trust them with my cats... ;) |
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| 00:56.57 | spldart | Hi LouMan! |
| 00:57.00 | jomojo | when i capitalize cosmos name doest it no longer get his attention ??? or whomever i am writing to or about... |
| 00:57.08 | LouMan | hi! |
| 00:57.18 | spldart | I have a question for you |
| 00:57.21 | cosmos | ? |
| 00:57.27 | cosmos | what do you mean get my attention |
| 00:57.28 | LouMan | k |
| 00:57.53 | spldart | I have been doing alot of objects in wings3d... textures and materials... meshboxes etc |
| 00:57.53 | jomojo | well when my name is mentioned on my client, it notifies me |
| 00:58.01 | spldart | Inpired by your awesome maps |
| 00:58.01 | cosmos | heh |
| 00:58.09 | cosmos | i use a 15 year old command line unix client |
| 00:58.10 | spldart | And I'm having good success.... |
| 00:58.13 | cosmos | i see text |
| 00:58.14 | cosmos | thats it |
| 00:58.16 | cosmos | no colors |
| 00:58.18 | cosmos | no sounds |
| 00:58.34 | spldart | But is there some caveats in doing heavy physics drivers, meshes, etc to prevent client lockups? |
| 00:59.10 | spldart | I made an airhockey map... It has 2 paddles and a puck |
| 00:59.16 | spldart | Jump pads that fling tanks |
| 00:59.24 | spldart | of course low friction |
| 00:59.34 | spldart | and meshboxes that can sling you off |
| 00:59.37 | spldart | But I'm getting lockups |
| 00:59.44 | spldart | Especially when approaching a flag |
| 00:59.47 | jomojo | sounds like fun |
| 00:59.52 | LouMan | i haven't had that sort of trouble - weird |
| 00:59.57 | jomojo | if you want help testing it, i would love to try |
| 01:00.11 | spldart | The problem seems slightly unique to my client |
| 01:00.15 | spldart | few others have the lockups |
| 01:00.30 | LouMan | what client are u running and on what system? |
| 01:00.33 | spldart | But! I want to be able to play my own map.. And I lock up usually less than 1 minute |
| 01:00.49 | spldart | I'm currently hosting your TimeTrials on my new Debian server... |
| 01:01.07 | spldart | My map comes up with no errors when I start it and client shows no problems when it enters the world |
| 01:01.29 | spldart | But I get lockups on my windows boxes on my map whereas timetrials and islands hopping doesn't give me any problems |
| 01:01.42 | spldart | windows xp pro 2.0.2 client |
| 01:01.50 | spldart | debian bzfs 2.0.2 |
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| 01:02.07 | cosmos | "This is the 80's and Loc is down with the Ladies" you cant beat lyrics like that heh |
| 01:02.07 | LouMan | does it lockup your whole system? |
| 01:02.28 | spldart | Sometimes it will lock up the client but I can ctrl alt del and kill the client |
| 01:02.45 | wegstar | ooh.. hi louman ;D |
| 01:02.50 | spldart | Sometimes I will not be able to get to anything on the desktop at all... But I can tell the kernal is still running underneath |
| 01:03.04 | LouMan | i have had 1 occasion where my client locked up my whole system - i thought (and still think) it was a fluke |
| 01:03.17 | spldart | I can do it every time on my map :( |
| 01:03.41 | spldart | If I eliminate my meshbox floor (airhockey table) It usually stops locking |
| 01:03.49 | spldart | But my floor doesn't go throught the ground |
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| 01:04.04 | LouMan | could you send me your work in progress (bzbb pm) so that I can try it? I am also running xp (home) and client 2.0.2 |
| 01:04.30 | LouMan | hi wegstar! |
| 01:04.35 | spldart | Ok... But you will probable not have a problem.. So far it's mostly my machine.. |
| 01:04.47 | cosmos | hrm, the mary jane girls heh the records you find when cleaning up |
| 01:04.54 | spldart | On... And the bzfs client throws a ECONN error soemthing too |
| 01:05.03 | LouMan | k - but maybe i can see something in the bzw |
| 01:07.36 | spldart | Ok |
| 01:07.56 | spldart | I sent you my map in PM - one .png material that's for the floor. |
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| 01:08.43 | spldart | If you want a quick png to apply to the floor then http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/airhock.png |
| 01:08.57 | LouMan | i see the message, but no attachment |
| 01:09.03 | spldart | grr |
| 01:09.06 | spldart | I'll try again |
| 01:10.55 | spldart | It says the max number of attachments of 1 has been achieved when I tried adding the map twice... I'm pretty sure it's attached this time ;) |
| 01:11.11 | LouMan | k- give me a little time with it ;) |
| 01:11.30 | LouMan | got it... |
| 01:11.38 | spldart | Ok |
| 01:11.43 | spldart | Thanks in advance |
| 01:14.30 | spldart | BTW... The map isn't finished yet and is unrefined.... I know some things need to be 'polished' |
| 01:20.18 | LouMan | ok - i was able to run it with no problem. Looking at the bzw file, the only suggestions I might have that probably won't do anything are: |
| 01:20.50 | spldart | Lotsa shooting and picking up flags? |
| 01:21.09 | spldart | Grr... Something unique to this map and my video card maybe... |
| 01:21.42 | LouMan | 1) save all of your "group" calls to the end of the file and 2) instead of scaling your meshes unnecessarily, create your object "real" size in modeler |
| 01:21.56 | spldart | ah |
| 01:22.12 | LouMan | again, probably wont make a difference tho |
| 01:22.19 | spldart | all groups at the end of the world file and make larger meshes.... Got it |
| 01:22.43 | spldart | Does the map show any promise for my map making skills? |
| 01:22.55 | LouMan | might be related to ur video card - dont know - and yes, i like it so far! |
| 01:22.57 | spldart | Or is it just kiddy copy cat'ing :) |
| 01:23.43 | LouMan | no, i like it - good idea |
| 01:23.54 | spldart | Any thought as to the problem leaving when I lose the floor meshbox? |
| 01:24.28 | LouMan | maybe related to the small vertices associated with it - make it real size and see what happens |
| 01:24.34 | spldart | OK |
| 01:25.16 | LouMan | can u send me the obj file? |
| 01:25.17 | spldart | Thanks.... I figured with your experience you would be able to offer a couple of possibilities. |
| 01:25.31 | spldart | I'm sure I can.. Lemme go find it |
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| 01:29.53 | spldart | the paddle obj is on the way. |
| 01:30.24 | spldart | the puck and launchpads are so simple I didn't know if you wanted them. Besides. The lockups started before I added the launchpads. |
| 01:33.23 | LouMan | to be honest, i've never used meshboxes before - i wonder if it might be better to create your own with your modeler? |
| 01:34.02 | spldart | I thought about that.... It was just I needed a material for the floor and physics for the biggest two boxes to hurl tanks off |
| 01:34.13 | spldart | Maybe I should make those meshes |
| 01:34.22 | LouMan | i would try that first |
| 01:34.32 | spldart | ditch the meshboxes first? |
| 01:34.36 | LouMan | yes |
| 01:34.37 | spldart | I think I can do that. |
| 01:34.46 | spldart | Isn't it hard to get the size right in modeller though |
| 01:35.01 | LouMan | k, lemme know how it goes (you can pm me again) :) |
| 01:35.02 | spldart | before you can even see what it looks like once exported and modeltool converted |
| 01:35.10 | spldart | Thanks alot |
| 01:35.31 | spldart | Sorry to jump you with all the questions like that :( |
| 01:35.36 | LouMan | np |
| 01:35.52 | LouMan | i wish i knew exactly how to help |
| 01:36.36 | spldart | you gave me some good ideas... I had to take a break from it this weekend though. Took on 2 welding projects and other stuff instead :) |
| 01:36.58 | spldart | That lockup problem was really bothering me 8-0 |
| 01:37.29 | LouMan | k - gtg, need anything more, let me know |
| 01:37.38 | spldart | K bye |
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| 01:48.40 | spldart | Just peeking through my log file... what is a temp global register? |
| 01:51.45 | spldart | Any BZgods available? Have we banned player Oryx from 24.20.14.238? |
| 01:52.29 | spldart | He is insulting other players..cussing against policy... Slander directed toward admin...... |
| 02:22.30 | spldart | I'm keeping the logfile if anyone wants to see... |
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| 02:33.56 | menotume | spldart: which server ? |
| 02:34.50 | wegstar | apparently his server... :? |
| 02:40.31 | spldart | mine |
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| 03:06.50 | spldart | night |
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| 05:36.57 | wegstar_away | nite all |
| 05:37.02 | wegstar_away | morning jpa- |
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| 09:39.57 | Tegan | hi |
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| 09:58.53 | Tupone | on bz ? |
| 09:59.18 | Tegan | bzfio.cxx, yes |
| 10:00.43 | Tegan | it affects only one line |
| 10:01.21 | Tupone | ok, have you dev access? |
| 10:01.36 | Tegan | no not that I am aware of |
| 10:01.52 | Tupone | ok, when you're done I can put in cvs |
| 10:01.58 | Tegan | done with what |
| 10:02.12 | Tupone | ok, already done. The change |
| 10:02.42 | Tegan | where do I send it? |
| 10:03.03 | Tupone | if it is just one line you can paste the diff -u file here, |
| 10:04.21 | Tegan | 50c50 |
| 10:04.22 | Tegan | < tm = localtime (&tv.tv_sec); |
| 10:04.22 | Tegan | --- |
| 10:04.22 | Tegan | > tm = localtime (reinterpret_cast<const time_t*>(&tv.tv_sec)); |
| 10:05.25 | Tegan | otherwise it choked on the conversion, maybe there's a better way but there it is |
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| 10:06.20 | Tupone | does not a (const time_t *)&tv.tv_sec work ? |
| 10:06.31 | Tegan | I'm sure it would |
| 10:07.23 | Tegan | hi ToughShooter |
| 10:09.54 | Tupone | tm = localtime (&tv); << can you put that just this, and test if it works |
| 10:10.43 | Tupone | no, don't fo it |
| 10:10.48 | Tupone | s/fo/do/ |
| 10:11.04 | Tegan | so it would rely on tv_sec being first? |
| 10:11.22 | Tegan | ok |
| 10:11.23 | Tupone | no, I'm sorry. I'm looking at include file |
| 10:11.33 | Tegan | ok |
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| 10:16.11 | ToughShooter | Hi Tegan |
| 10:16.36 | ToughShooter | Still awake at those late hours (for you)? |
| 10:16.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: Fixing a syntax error on BSD (from Tegan) |
| 10:18.00 | trepan | Tupone: just noticed that the filetimes in CacheIndex.txt are now messed up |
| 10:18.15 | trepan | it's the second number on the second line of each listing |
| 10:19.14 | Tupone | can you fill the BUGS file. I'm sure I 'll forget :( |
| 10:19.26 | trepan | na, i'll trust ya to fix it |
| 10:19.26 | Tupone | still in the middle of a change |
| 10:19.44 | Tupone | did you see my notice on the ARB things? |
| 10:19.57 | trepan | yup, flicker flicker, heh? :) |
| 10:20.02 | Tupone | yeah |
| 10:20.08 | trepan | oh well... |
| 10:20.11 | trepan | thx for trying |
| 10:20.53 | Tupone | it's not allowing me to enter or it is just that the screen is messed |
| 10:23.22 | Chestal | Tegan: what is the exact error you get on the localtime line? |
| 10:24.20 | Tegan | Chestal:... |
| 10:24.34 | Tegan | if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include -I../../include -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -DBZ_BUILD_DATE=20050425 -MT bzfio.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/bzfio.Tpo" -c -o bzfio.o bzfio.cxx; then mv -f ".deps/bzfio.Tpo" ".deps/bzfio.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/bzfio.Tpo"; exit 1; fi |
| 10:24.34 | Tegan | bzfio.cxx: In function `char* timestamp(char*, bool)': |
| 10:24.34 | Tegan | bzfio.cxx:50: error: invalid conversion from `long int*' to `const time_t*' |
| 10:24.34 | Tegan | bzfio.cxx:50: error: initializing argument 1 of `tm* localtime(const time_t*)' |
| 10:24.34 | Tegan | *** Error code 1 |
| 10:24.58 | Chestal | oh, so timeval member tv_sec if a long int, not a time_t on BSD? |
| 10:25.12 | Tegan | apparently |
| 10:25.20 | Chestal | hmm, that's bad for that piece of code :-) |
| 10:25.37 | Chestal | well, can always just ust time() for the second part anyway |
| 10:25.51 | Chestal | I assuem that time() and tv_sec should always be the same? |
| 10:26.05 | Tegan | the tv_sec only is used when microseconds are wanted |
| 10:27.13 | Chestal | hmm |
| 10:30.40 | Chestal | I wonder if it an assignment time_t = int/long int is guaranteed to work |
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| 10:36.10 | Tegan | good question |
| 10:43.15 | Chestal | in practive, I cannot imagine time_t and the type of tv_sec being actualyl different, so your cast should work everywhere |
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| 10:48.54 | Tegan | On a separate note, when I run the microwave oven my lag goes through the roof. |
| 10:49.10 | Chestal | WLAN? |
| 10:49.40 | ToughShooter | Chestal: Did you looked how much FPS you're getting with 9600 XT? |
| 10:49.52 | Tegan | wire |
| 10:51.51 | Chestal | ToughShot: mostly > 100fps on that Camelot CTF map |
| 10:52.09 | Chestal | ToughShooter: but of course I can't say whether CPU or video card is the main factor here |
| 10:52.50 | Tegan | nope, good old fashioned cat5, Chestal |
| 10:53.00 | Chestal | (1280x1024) |
| 10:53.12 | Chestal | hmm, or is it 1024x768? Not 100% sure what I am using in bz |
| 10:55.45 | ToughShooter | How much FPS on a map like spiralzone, viper or ducati? |
| 10:56.07 | Chestal | on the simple, random maps I get about 400 |
| 11:00.01 | ToughShooter | Chestal: What's with a more complex one? |
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| 11:02.02 | Chestal | ToughShooter: don't know. I usually play on those simple ones only and tested Camelot yesterday |
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| 11:04.16 | ToughShooter | Chestal: tnx |
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| 13:34.01 | jpa- | llala |
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| 15:08.10 | name | hi |
| 15:12.02 | DTRemenak | hello |
| 15:21.57 | Teppic | quiet again. |
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| 15:39.47 | spldart | Can I make a 2d mesh in bzw and put a material on it.. A no thickness wall essentially. Just curious... |
| 15:43.27 | JeffM2501 | techincaly yes |
| 15:43.38 | JeffM2501 | it's just a flat mehs |
| 15:44.02 | spldart | kew |
| 15:44.57 | spldart | I was thinking about turning my meshboxes into meshes... and some need physics and some need multiple materials... |
| 15:45.12 | spldart | I should say some need physics on one side only. |
| 15:45.21 | spldart | or part of a side |
| 15:45.43 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 15:45.49 | spldart | yeah |
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| 16:13.41 | jpa- | spldart: you can also specify physics invidually for faces |
| 16:16.39 | spldart | you can? |
| 16:16.52 | spldart | on meshes and meshboxes? |
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| 16:20.53 | jpa- | only on meshes i think |
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| 16:21.40 | jpa- | i'm not sure if it applies on meshbox only for top or for all sides.. if it is the first case, you could just spin it |
| 16:23.14 | spldart | IC |
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| 16:31.11 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery www.aibo.info:5154 |
| 16:33.46 | TimRiker | ~host images.bzflag.org |
| 16:33.49 | ibot | see nslookup images.bzflag.org |
| 16:33.49 | brlcad | TimRiker: you see the reference in the paper? |
| 16:33.58 | TimRiker | ~nslookup images.bzflag.org |
| 16:34.15 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 16:34.30 | TimRiker | brlcad: not yet. just got back in town last night. catching up now. |
| 16:34.57 | bz6108 | bzflag@phoenix:~/bzflag-1.10$ src/bzfs/bzfs -d -d -d -i www.aibo.info -p 5154 -public "AIBO.INFO GAME SERVER" |
| 16:43.29 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, what confrence was it this time? |
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| 16:45.44 | brlcad | TimRiker: the short synopsis is that the guy that was here (maybe last fall) working on a DR paper using BZ finished up the paper and presented it at ACM SIGCOMM '05. Basically he implemented almost everything that was mentioned using timestamped updates with impressive results. |
| 16:46.10 | JeffM2501 | wow, real DR? |
| 16:46.37 | brlcad | TimRiker: and he gave special thanks to tupone, you, and myself apparently for helping |
| 16:46.53 | brlcad | yeah, real DR |
| 16:47.00 | JeffM2501 | who'd a thunk it |
| 16:47.25 | brlcad | nothing that we haven't said before, but he actually did it with fairly minimal mods to bz |
| 16:47.29 | Tupone | brlcad: a new paper ? |
| 16:47.36 | brlcad | Tupone: no, same paper |
| 16:47.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know, I'm just kidding |
| 16:47.53 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there were some opoents of timestamp :) |
| 16:47.53 | Tupone | ah ok, did you see actually the code? |
| 16:48.00 | JeffM2501 | gonna merge in code? |
| 16:48.06 | JeffM2501 | or is it proto breaking? |
| 16:48.15 | brlcad | oh, i'm sure it breaks proto |
| 16:48.22 | JeffM2501 | one would think it would have to |
| 16:48.43 | JeffM2501 | unless there was a time field that was unused ( I wouldn't put it past the codebase to have one :) ) |
| 16:49.04 | brlcad | I think that's one of the reasons that he couldn't merge it in back when we talked because release was imminent |
| 16:49.21 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 branch time :) |
| 16:49.38 | Pimpi | yes! |
| 16:49.45 | Tupone | nope :( |
| 16:49.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:50.48 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 16:50.59 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, where is the paper |
| 16:51.01 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to read it |
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| 16:51.12 | BearPerson | isn't there some protocol change to be done soon anyway because of the abuse-admin bug? |
| 16:51.24 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: just family vacation. |
| 16:51.43 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, much better then a confrince :) |
| 16:51.51 | JeffM2501 | abuse-admin bug? |
| 16:51.54 | brlcad | JeffM2501: http://www.acm.org/sigs/sigcomm/sigcomm2004/netgames.html |
| 16:52.03 | brlcad | the last paper |
| 16:53.28 | TimRiker | so is the code available? |
| 16:53.57 | Tupone | JeffM2501: you meant "2.1 brunch time" ? |
| 16:54.06 | DTRemenak | mmm, brunch |
| 16:54.07 | BearPerson | JeffM2501, I thought there was some bug where you could send a packet that pretended to be from some admin currently logged on |
| 16:54.24 | JeffM2501 | I've never seen a bug like that |
| 16:54.42 | JeffM2501 | I've seen people GUESS that that is what happens |
| 16:54.49 | BearPerson | :) |
| 16:54.58 | JeffM2501 | but never seen anyone debug it and prove it |
| 16:55.01 | BearPerson | I've seen hepcat get funny var changes |
| 16:55.52 | JeffM2501 | Ive heard that too |
| 16:55.58 | JeffM2501 | but there could be many reasons for that |
| 16:56.03 | JeffM2501 | buffer overrusn |
| 16:56.11 | JeffM2501 | packet |
| 16:56.14 | JeffM2501 | bad perms |
| 16:57.11 | BearPerson | I guess faking one UDP packet is the easiest answer... |
| 16:57.24 | BearPerson | should I try to string up my client to check? ;-) |
| 16:57.29 | JeffM2501 | you sure the client would accept it |
| 16:57.33 | Tupone | udp messages are not used for admin |
| 16:57.38 | JeffM2501 | as being from the authed user? |
| 16:57.39 | BearPerson | are they? |
| 16:57.52 | BearPerson | I'm not sure if my ISP would accept it... hmm... |
| 16:57.52 | JeffM2501 | most /set stuff is sent as chat |
| 16:57.55 | JeffM2501 | and that is TCP |
| 16:57.57 | DTRemenak | actually, yes, you should try. if you find out what it actually is, then maybe someone can fix it. |
| 16:57.58 | BearPerson | chat is TCP? |
| 16:58.05 | JeffM2501 | it should be |
| 16:58.08 | JeffM2501 | it has to go thru |
| 16:58.10 | BearPerson | always? |
| 16:58.15 | JeffM2501 | it should be |
| 16:58.22 | JeffM2501 | pos updates should be UDP |
| 16:58.32 | JeffM2501 | only stuff that can be droped is UDP |
| 16:58.34 | JeffM2501 | there |
| 16:58.35 | JeffM2501 | are |
| 16:58.39 | JeffM2501 | but not in bzflag |
| 16:58.44 | BearPerson | manu said chat and stuff is udp too... |
| 16:58.47 | JeffM2501 | net provides pure UDP systems |
| 16:59.03 | JeffM2501 | unless that was changed it should not be |
| 16:59.12 | JeffM2501 | it would be wierd to drop chat messages |
| 16:59.23 | BearPerson | doesn't happen often, does it? |
| 16:59.32 | JeffM2501 | would depend on the conenction |
| 16:59.34 | jpa- | humm.. IIUC udp doesn't have connections, packets just come and go |
| 16:59.40 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:59.44 | Tupone | BearPerson: if you send chat as UDP it will be dropped IIRC |
| 16:59.45 | JeffM2501 | that is why it can drop |
| 17:00.01 | JeffM2501 | you have to asume that any UDP packet will not make it |
| 17:00.52 | JeffM2501 | and if the set packet was faked, then it would show as coming form the admined user |
| 17:00.59 | JeffM2501 | not the "hacker" user |
| 17:01.17 | JeffM2501 | since it would be the admined user who's perms were used |
| 17:01.21 | JeffM2501 | and they are all ID looked up |
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| 17:01.51 | BearPerson | UDP is stateless or something |
| 17:01.58 | JeffM2501 | UDP is connectionless |
| 17:02.02 | JeffM2501 | it will not try to resend |
| 17:02.10 | JeffM2501 | you can do fake conenctions with it |
| 17:02.21 | BearPerson | I can't fake a TCP packet inside a connection from your IP, but I think I can fake a UDP packet |
| 17:02.26 | JeffM2501 | they just come and go, but you still get a source and desination IP/port |
| 17:02.51 | JeffM2501 | you could fake a UDP packet with spoof |
| 17:02.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): accessing list server via libcurl |
| 17:03.00 | JeffM2501 | but then the set would show as being from the spoofed user. |
| 17:03.09 | JeffM2501 | not the user that is doing the spoofing |
| 17:03.18 | JeffM2501 | so I don't think that's the problem |
| 17:03.22 | JeffM2501 | I think it's a bad init state |
| 17:03.34 | JeffM2501 | where /set is being inited to true for some reason |
| 17:04.08 | JeffM2501 | I gave hepcat code that will log the /set and we can see who it thinks is sending it, and why it thinks they can do the set |
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| 17:07.45 | JeffM2501 | UDP send is only used for these message types |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.48 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.58 | JeffM2501 | so a msg could not be faked with a UDP packet |
| 17:09.12 | JeffM2501 | it is more then likely something else |
| 17:09.18 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 17:09.24 | JeffM2501 | unless you have other info we don't know about |
| 17:09.38 | BearPerson | I don't know much |
| 17:09.40 | JeffM2501 | still the evendence dosn't match up for a packet spoof |
| 17:09.48 | BearPerson | just what I've gathered from talking to manu |
| 17:09.56 | JeffM2501 | since the /set commands show in the logs as coming from non admin or non authed users. |
| 17:10.42 | JeffM2501 | the most likely thing is some artifiact from systems that have leftover data from old local reg |
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| 17:52.50 | ToughShooter | BearPerson: I changed an angle. Can you try if you get stuck again? I don't get stuck anymore now. |
| 17:52.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): need to request we want file time, before doing the transfer and obtain it |
| 17:53.16 | BearPerson | server? |
| 17:53.47 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery bzflag.sleepycows.us:5255 |
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| 18:24.59 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup images.bzflag.org |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup my.bzflag.org |
| 18:25.17 | JeffM2501 | huzzah |
| 18:25.20 | JeffM2501 | thanks TimRiker |
| 18:28.16 | JeffM2501 | now to get somone knowledgabe to make a vhost ;) |
| 18:28.55 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: for /images ? |
| 18:29.18 | JeffM2501 | resources/images/ |
| 18:29.47 | JeffM2501 | I hate messing with the list server config, I fear I'd jack it |
| 18:31.27 | TimRiker | http://images.bzflag.org/ <- done. |
| 18:32.04 | JeffM2501 | huzzah http://images.bzflag.org/timriker.png |
| 18:32.07 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 18:32.08 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 18:32.26 | JeffM2501 | don't be supriesed if you show up in a map now |
| 18:32.42 | TimRiker | yeah, I noticed that. ;-/ |
| 18:32.49 | JeffM2501 | can pull it if you want |
| 18:32.58 | TimRiker | nope. it's fine. |
| 18:33.06 | JeffM2501 | the pancake bunny is what I hope shows up :) |
| 18:33.13 | TimRiker | =) |
| 18:33.26 | JeffM2501 | rikerworld |
| 18:33.30 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 18:33.30 | TimRiker | is there a dir for the fabs yet? |
| 18:33.45 | JeffM2501 | I have to finish converting the rest of the "one" texture pack and then do the other 8 |
| 18:34.23 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: want prefabs to point someplace? |
| 18:34.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:34.31 | JeffM2501 | prefabs |
| 18:34.34 | JeffM2501 | sounds |
| 18:34.34 | Tupone | Now we could use https for authentication :) |
| 18:34.47 | TimRiker | path for prefabs? |
| 18:34.59 | JeffM2501 | resources/prefabs I'd guess |
| 18:35.11 | JeffM2501 | since trepan has HTTP includes working |
| 18:35.56 | JeffM2501 | probably should do maps |
| 18:36.01 | JeffM2501 | and binmaps too |
| 18:36.04 | JeffM2501 | for caching |
| 18:37.10 | TimRiker | why not just do resources.b.o and then path the other stuff? |
| 18:37.22 | TimRiker | or use my.b.o for that matter... |
| 18:37.25 | JeffM2501 | keeps em shorter |
| 18:37.30 | TimRiker | not a big deal, just asking. ;-) |
| 18:37.37 | JeffM2501 | my.b.o/resources works now |
| 18:37.49 | JeffM2501 | some just wanted shorter names |
| 18:37.51 | JeffM2501 | as well |
| 18:38.03 | JeffM2501 | images and prefabas are enough for now |
| 18:38.09 | TimRiker | k |
| 18:38.10 | JeffM2501 | have to see if people actualy USE them :) |
| 18:41.25 | TimRiker | http://prefabs.bzflag.org/ <- done. |
| 18:43.07 | JeffM2501 | keen |
| 18:43.23 | TimRiker | I just copied the php file over and made it g+w |
| 18:43.31 | TimRiker | headed into work now... |
| 18:55.31 | ToughShooter | Vg'f engure boivbhf sbe hfrarg crbcyr |
| 18:55.58 | blast007 | :) |
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| 18:56.20 | bendy24 | moo |
| 18:56.36 | jpa- | Kvoh opcih hvwg? :) |
| 18:56.49 | jpa- | hi bendy24 <3 |
| 18:56.57 | bendy24 | hi <3 |
| 18:57.04 | bendy24 | jpa-: <3 |
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| 19:00.51 | CBG | Calling all map-makers: Please check out my first ever map... It's at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=34430 - Thanks! |
| 19:01.15 | bendy24 | is it revolutionary? |
| 19:01.21 | CBG | My map? |
| 19:01.27 | bendy24 | yeah |
| 19:01.37 | CBG | Ummm nope. |
| 19:01.44 | bendy24 | :) |
| 19:01.55 | CBG | But read the topic. :) It says its a lot like the map on gu.de |
| 19:02.04 | bendy24 | any screen shots? |
| 19:02.10 | CBG | Nope. sorry |
| 19:02.12 | jpa- | does it have large billboard that reads 'jpa 0wn5 j00' ? |
| 19:02.19 | CBG | Ill try to get some up later :) |
| 19:02.28 | bendy24 | jpa-: but that would be a lie... |
| 19:02.32 | CBG | jpa- Damn. I new I forgot sumthin |
| 19:03.34 | jpa- | grrr @ bendy24 |
| 19:03.44 | CBG | But, if you get a chance, please run it in bzfs and let me know what you think... First map: hand coded in textEdit... :D |
| 19:04.10 | jpa- | CBG: if you want to know about colors and stuff, may i recommend http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ |
| 19:04.27 | CBG | cool. thanks :D |
| 19:04.40 | CBG | oh. a page on phydrvrs too :D cool |
| 19:05.05 | CBG | Is it possible to have a ramp at say 45deg that will pull you up wards? |
| 19:05.07 | bendy24 | and textures |
| 19:05.12 | bendy24 | jpa-++ |
| 19:06.05 | bendy24 | i need to update the field and stream map |
| 19:06.07 | jpa- | CBG: it is there.. |
| 19:06.14 | CBG | Ok. thanks |
| 19:06.17 | jpa- | :) |
| 19:06.19 | blast007 | another good resource: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s |
| 19:06.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 19:06.31 | jpa- | blast007: yup.. should link it there |
| 19:06.41 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:07.42 | jpa- | now there is a link :) |
| 19:07.57 | bendy24 | isnt there a bzflag wiki? |
| 19:08.20 | bendy24 | jpa-: you should add your stuff to the wiki |
| 19:08.54 | jpa- | bah |
| 19:09.03 | jpa- | i like to see people ':)' when i paste the link :P |
| 19:09.15 | bendy24 | bah |
| 19:09.26 | bendy24 | the wiki is the first page people would look |
| 19:09.36 | bendy24 | and most are not on irc |
| 19:10.34 | jpa- | yup, but when i was to add it there, i found that wiki is too complicated thingie |
| 19:10.44 | jpa- | and adding just a link isn't that nice.. |
| 19:11.44 | bendy24 | :( |
| 19:11.49 | bendy24 | :'( |
| 19:13.00 | jpa- | i also should do more stuff about dynamic colors, texcoords, modeltool and maybe about bzmap, too |
| 19:13.26 | bendy24 | the guy who did the raining frogs did a great job |
| 19:13.37 | bendy24 | it was just amazing |
| 19:13.52 | jpa- | but.. well, i haven't been so interested in bzflag lately |
| 19:13.58 | jpa- | hmm.. |
| 19:14.03 | bendy24 | no? |
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| 19:14.24 | bendy24 | must have found a gf |
| 19:14.25 | CBG | Back. |
| 19:14.34 | CBG | thanks blast007 |
| 19:14.44 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:15.08 | jpa- | bendy24: hmm.. no :P |
| 19:15.13 | jpa- | have found python |
| 19:15.18 | bendy24 | ahhh |
| 19:17.03 | jpa- | i think raining frogs was made with some 3d software and modeltool |
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| 19:17.16 | bendy24 | Nidhoggr_: wb |
| 19:17.23 | CBG | A meshbox is identical to a box right? except you can apply textures to meshboxes not boxes... right? |
| 19:18.27 | jpa- | yup |
| 19:18.31 | ToughShooter | Read jpa's tutorial and it gets clear |
| 19:18.53 | jpa- | ToughShooter: actually, that is one of the things i haven't said very clearly :P |
| 19:19.22 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I think it's in the context |
| 19:19.49 | jpa- | well, yes |
| 19:19.51 | ToughShooter | However you did a great job with it - it's an excellent resource |
| 19:19.56 | ToughShooter | ~jpa-++ |
| 19:20.05 | ToughShooter | It helped me much |
| 19:21.51 | jpa- | thank trepan too, i couldn't have written it if i wouldn't have understood the stuff first |
| 19:27.16 | uso_w | is colored shots on radar supposed to draw shot lines of my team color to the radar window? |
| 19:27.45 | BearPerson | I think so |
| 19:28.09 | uso_w | i only ask as it does not do so here ;) |
| 19:30.24 | bendy24 | uso_w: i believe that is a setting |
| 19:31.01 | uso_w | bendy24: yes, a menu entry, set to on now for me |
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| 19:31.18 | CBG | How come the screen shots of bzflag come out all messed up? |
| 19:32.29 | uso_w | i was wondering as i saw a "height correction" for the shot color, which is only done when coloredShot is true |
| 19:32.49 | uso_w | cs = colorScale(shot->getPosition()[2], muzzleHeight); |
| 19:32.50 | uso_w | glColor3f(shotcolor[0] * cs, shotcolor[1] * cs, shotcolor[2] * cs); |
| 19:33.19 | blast007 | uso_w: the lines show up colored for me |
| 19:33.31 | uso_w | at least it lokks like that for me :0 |
| 19:34.48 | uso_w | blast007: may be another driver issue, as the shots also were drawn as squares instead of circles |
| 19:34.54 | uso_w | it's only an i810 here |
| 19:35.52 | blast007 | ah, icky ;) |
| 19:36.28 | uso_w | may check it at home later |
| 19:37.02 | blast007 | CBG: do you have an example of a "messed up" screenshot? |
| 19:37.17 | CBG | Its all scrambled... lol |
| 19:37.52 | blast007 | can you upload it somewhere? |
| 19:38.03 | CBG | kk. one min |
| 19:40.49 | uso_w | is there a possibility to make the square of a tank transparent on the radar screen? |
| 19:41.09 | uso_w | glColor3f has only the 3 colors, is there a glColor4f? |
| 19:41.16 | blast007 | think so |
| 19:41.35 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 19:43.05 | JeffM2501 | there is |
| 19:43.11 | JeffM2501 | the 4h is alpha |
| 19:43.20 | uso_w | nice, would have transparent zoned tanks on radar :) |
| 19:43.28 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, yeah, that's why he was asking :) |
| 19:43.31 | JeffM2501 | just make sure you draw those last |
| 19:43.34 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 19:43.58 | uso_w | thanks for taking care :) |
| 19:44.53 | CBG | blast007: sorry it took so long: http://www.kaziaz.com/stuff/bzflagscreen.png |
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| 19:47.04 | DTRemenak | uso_w, submit them as patches. if they get accepted for the current protocol then they're not cheats :) |
| 19:47.05 | uso_w | but as i've seen on viper yesterday there may be a need for that |
| 19:47.12 | JeffM2501 | that's not a png file CBG |
| 19:47.16 | DTRemenak | if they're not accepted then you have a tougher call to make |
| 19:47.16 | JeffM2501 | it looks to be a pdf |
| 19:47.24 | CBG | won't it work for you? |
| 19:47.40 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't look to have a vaild header |
| 19:47.46 | CBG | header? |
| 19:47.49 | uso_w | people getting crazy if a zoned tank drives arround :( |
| 19:47.51 | CBG | its an image. |
| 19:48.06 | JeffM2501 | not a png |
| 19:48.07 | uso_w | lol @ DTRemenak |
| 19:48.16 | blast007 | yeah, opened in Acrobat Reader.. :/ |
| 19:48.25 | CBG | but can you see it? |
| 19:48.26 | JeffM2501 | your file starts with |
| 19:48.27 | JeffM2501 | %PDF |
| 19:48.28 | DTRemenak | bzflagscreen.png: PDF document, version 1.3 |
| 19:48.34 | CBG | but can you see it? |
| 19:48.41 | JeffM2501 | png files start with ‰PNG |
| 19:48.47 | JeffM2501 | what made this file? |
| 19:48.52 | JeffM2501 | or what did you do to it? |
| 19:49.08 | JeffM2501 | it see it as graphic garbage in pdf |
| 19:49.17 | JeffM2501 | it is not a vaild png file in any way |
| 19:49.50 | DTRemenak | uso_w, there is such a thing as "preference bloat" :) |
| 19:50.06 | JeffM2501 | why are you doing pdf |
| 19:50.06 | DTRemenak | CBG: how about the original png? |
| 19:50.09 | JeffM2501 | why not just the png? |
| 19:50.14 | CBG | it was never a png |
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| 19:50.18 | JeffM2501 | what are you doing to these poor files? |
| 19:50.23 | JeffM2501 | then what made that file? |
| 19:50.24 | DTRemenak | if it was a screenshot, then it _was_ a png |
| 19:50.25 | CBG | what poor files??? |
| 19:50.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:50.34 | JeffM2501 | was it a bzflag screenshot file? |
| 19:50.35 | CBG | DTR: you - are - wrong. |
| 19:50.37 | DTRemenak | when you press f5, it saves a png |
| 19:50.38 | CBG | no |
| 19:50.41 | DTRemenak | I WROTE THE CODE |
| 19:50.48 | spldart | lol |
| 19:50.55 | uso_w | lmao |
| 19:50.56 | CBG | You made MacOSX? Wow |
| 19:50.57 | JeffM2501 | CBG, how did you make the file in the first place |
| 19:51.02 | CBG | can I have your autograph? |
| 19:51.04 | JeffM2501 | your taking an OS shot |
| 19:51.09 | CBG | .... |
| 19:51.11 | CBG | well done. |
| 19:51.13 | JeffM2501 | CBG, get off your stuffy horse |
| 19:51.24 | JeffM2501 | 1) bzflag has a screenshot feature |
| 19:51.26 | JeffM2501 | it saves png |
| 19:51.35 | CBG | 1) wouldnt work for me |
| 19:51.38 | DTRemenak | I said, "when you press f5". if you're taking a screenshot from the os, then there's no way we can help you at all |
| 19:51.38 | JeffM2501 | 2) OSX dosn't have direct access to a GL frame buffer |
| 19:51.45 | JeffM2501 | so OS screenies will look like crud |
| 19:51.48 | CBG | 2) huh? |
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| 19:52.00 | JeffM2501 | your hiting CTRL shift 3? |
| 19:52.05 | JeffM2501 | the OS screenshot function? |
| 19:52.10 | JeffM2501 | or what ever it is |
| 19:52.18 | CBG | yeah |
| 19:52.20 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:52.26 | CBG | command-shift-3 |
| 19:52.29 | spldart | That wasn't so hard was it |
| 19:52.30 | JeffM2501 | that WON'T WORK FOR FULL SCREEN GAMES |
| 19:52.32 | spldart | :rolleyes: |
| 19:52.37 | JeffM2501 | use F5 |
| 19:52.39 | CBG | Well neither will F5 |
| 19:52.40 | JeffM2501 | it saves a png |
| 19:52.43 | JeffM2501 | what does F5 do |
| 19:52.44 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 19:53.23 | JeffM2501 | does it make an invalid png? |
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| 19:53.26 | JeffM2501 | not make a png? |
| 19:53.28 | CBG | seemingly; nothing. |
| 19:53.31 | JeffM2501 | or make a png full of garbage |
| 19:53.35 | JeffM2501 | where are you looking for the file? |
| 19:53.44 | JeffM2501 | that it makes |
| 19:54.05 | CBG | everywhere |
| 19:54.10 | CBG | cant find it anywawhere |
| 19:54.12 | JeffM2501 | what file are you looking for? |
| 19:54.13 | CBG | where would it be? |
| 19:54.15 | DTRemenak | where does it say it put it? |
| 19:54.21 | CBG | didnt. |
| 19:54.22 | DTRemenak | it prints the filename in the console |
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| 19:54.33 | JeffM2501 | did you remap something else to F5 in your keymap? |
| 19:54.43 | CBG | dont thinmk so |
| 19:54.51 | JeffM2501 | think or know? |
| 19:54.52 | CBG | and i dont think it said where it was saving it |
| 19:55.03 | JeffM2501 | then you didn't tell it to make a screenshot |
| 19:55.07 | JeffM2501 | check your keymap |
| 19:55.12 | JeffM2501 | see what F5 is set to |
| 19:55.20 | CBG | Its set to control volume |
| 19:55.29 | CBG | but i pressed fn+F5 |
| 19:55.29 | JeffM2501 | then find out what screenshot is set to |
| 19:55.41 | JeffM2501 | why not nomral F5? |
| 19:55.44 | spldart | lol @ BU |
| 19:55.53 | JeffM2501 | bzflag wants a regular F5 |
| 19:55.53 | BenUrban | :) |
| 19:55.58 | CBG | If any key is set to something like volume, or screen brighjtness, to override that you press fn+whatever |
| 19:56.07 | CBG | normal F5 is the volume control |
| 19:56.19 | JeffM2501 | I would think that FN F5 is volume |
| 19:56.19 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: on some laptop kbs, function keys require fn to be held to access their normal function |
| 19:56.37 | JeffM2501 | well then we may have a prolem on maping those on OSX thru SDL |
| 19:56.37 | BenUrban | though it's usually software-configurable |
| 19:56.39 | CBG | JeffM: i think i know the keys on my own iBook |
| 19:56.43 | BenUrban | oh, osx |
| 19:56.49 | BenUrban | it's definitely configurable |
| 19:56.50 | JeffM2501 | try seting the screenshot key to a non function key |
| 19:56.50 | CBG | ill go try again. |
| 19:56.54 | CBG | ill brb |
| 19:56.57 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not geting that you pushed |
| 19:57.04 | JeffM2501 | god could he be a biger prick |
| 19:57.06 | BenUrban | try f5 outside of bzflag |
| 19:57.10 | BenUrban | and fn+f5 |
| 19:57.12 | JeffM2501 | he's gone |
| 19:57.13 | spldart | No |
| 19:57.16 | BenUrban | see which one actually controls volume |
| 19:57.20 | BenUrban | sigh |
| 19:57.23 | spldart | I believe pricks don't bet any bigger than that |
| 19:57.26 | DTRemenak | sure he could, but he'd have to try real hard |
| 19:57.27 | spldart | He's enormous |
| 19:57.29 | JeffM2501 | ibooks are such crap computers |
| 19:57.32 | spldart | Titanic even |
| 19:57.34 | spldart | LOL |
| 19:58.50 | JeffM2501 | how fat is your pipe? |
| 19:58.51 | spldart | I was going to make a joke ealier but decided against it...... Line 12 JeffM (How did you create this file) Line eleventybillion CBG (I did X) |
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| 20:01.00 | CBG | I had to press fn+F5 over 10 times... but it did eventually give me one filename with path |
| 20:01.11 | JeffM2501 | did you do what we asked you to do? |
| 20:01.16 | JeffM2501 | did you set screenshot to another key |
| 20:01.20 | JeffM2501 | that isn't F based? |
| 20:01.25 | CBG | no |
| 20:01.31 | CBG | I did what I tried originally |
| 20:01.35 | CBG | but I did it over and over |
| 20:01.43 | CBG | untill it gave me a file path |
| 20:01.45 | JeffM2501 | and you expected it to magialy work? |
| 20:01.48 | DTRemenak | CBG: it takes a while to save it. On my machine about 6 seconds from hitting the key to getting the file. |
| 20:02.00 | CBG | (before iw asnt expecting a file path so I just pressed once and quit) |
| 20:02.13 | JeffM2501 | set it to a non F key |
| 20:02.15 | CBG | DTR: I waited quite a while in between some of them |
| 20:02.18 | DTRemenak | glGetPixels is not fast at all. I wish there was a faster way to dump it all out. |
| 20:02.18 | JeffM2501 | the 2 key thing may be the problem |
| 20:02.28 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, not till GL2.0 |
| 20:02.35 | CBG | How do I set it to another key? |
| 20:02.36 | JeffM2501 | you can thank X windows for that |
| 20:02.36 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: it's not...the app sees it as one keypress |
| 20:02.47 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, apernalty not |
| 20:02.57 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: heh, assuming it's configured that way in osx |
| 20:02.59 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I'd think you would know how to work bzflag |
| 20:03.10 | JeffM2501 | there is a keymap section in options |
| 20:03.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, yeah, and what are the chances of us getting to put GL2 stuff in? Until a couple months ago we had to be completely 1.0 compatible :) |
| 20:03.16 | CBG | really|? |
| 20:03.28 | CBG | ok. thanks guys! |
| 20:03.30 | JeffM2501 | no CBG I'm justy typing it cus I like typing |
| 20:03.37 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, 2055 |
| 20:03.51 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 20:03.54 | CBG | JeffM: that can't be good for you/. Seek help. |
| 20:04.04 | JeffM2501 | or we can change to using devil |
| 20:04.10 | JeffM2501 | and it has features that do it rather fast |
| 20:04.27 | CBG | anyway. i ahve to go. cya all |
| 20:04.32 | JeffM2501 | using extensions if they exist |
| 20:04.33 | DTRemenak | oh, and there's no menu option for binding screenshot |
| 20:04.39 | CBG | n/me goes to do art prep for 10hr exam starting wednesday |
| 20:04.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:04.47 | JeffM2501 | then change it in your config |
| 20:05.01 | JeffM2501 | not that he'll read it |
| 20:05.14 | CBG | what do i set ? |
| 20:05.17 | JeffM2501 | your config |
| 20:05.19 | JeffM2501 | read it |
| 20:05.22 | JeffM2501 | find screenshot |
| 20:05.23 | JeffM2501 | change it |
| 20:05.26 | CBG | ok. fine |
| 20:05.29 | DTRemenak | bind <key> down screenshot |
| 20:05.34 | CBG | bye... :D |
| 20:05.38 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 20:06.18 | JeffM2501 | you don't want to know what we think about you |
| 20:06.20 | BenUrban | "stroppy"? |
| 20:06.28 | BenUrban | ~define stroppy |
| 20:06.32 | BenUrban | heh, worth a try |
| 20:06.41 | JeffM2501 | ~dict stroppy |
| 20:06.57 | JeffM2501 | aperantly my bones get brittle easaly |
| 20:07.28 | DTRemenak | osteo is bone |
| 20:07.31 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:07.34 | DTRemenak | obstro is stubborn |
| 20:07.54 | JeffM2501 | if they were stubborn, why would they be brittle |
| 20:07.59 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 20:08.09 | BenUrban | ~dict obstreperous |
| 20:08.10 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:08.21 | BenUrban | why didn't anyone else think of that? |
| 20:08.27 | JeffM2501 | it's not a funny thing, many people suffer from brittle bones |
| 20:08.38 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: stubborn bones too |
| 20:08.52 | BenUrban | not usually in the same set of bones though :P |
| 20:08.55 | JeffM2501 | if they are stubbon they would be all "no I won't bend or break, ya bastards!@!!!!" |
| 20:09.17 | DTRemenak | funny how closely two words can resemble each other without having any common roots. |
| 20:10.12 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: or simply "I refuse to move" |
| 20:10.15 | BenUrban | :D |
| 20:10.35 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:10.43 | JeffM2501 | they woould have scotish accents |
| 20:10.52 | JeffM2501 | and woudl call you a daffy bastard |
| 20:13.45 | JeffM2501 | mmm track 14 |
| 20:18.17 | JeffM2501 | trepan, ping |
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| 20:24.19 | uso_w | in game it also seems to work for coloredradarshots off |
| 20:24.20 | JeffM2501 | because that is how it writen |
| 20:24.31 | JeffM2501 | non colored shots may have there own method |
| 20:24.36 | JeffM2501 | step on thru :) |
| 20:24.47 | BenUrban | while i'm thinking about it... |
| 20:24.57 | uso_w | is there another "magic"? if so, why is it done different ways for coloredradarshots on and off? |
| 20:25.11 | uso_w | step on ... :) |
| 20:25.16 | BenUrban | are there any plans to make targeting based on horizontal _and_ vertical proximity? |
| 20:25.28 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, step thru the code and see, there is little plan to these things |
| 20:25.35 | JeffM2501 | someone just coded it that way |
| 20:25.36 | Tupone | plans? we don't have any |
| 20:25.40 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 20:25.46 | BenUrban | why not? |
| 20:26.02 | Tupone | in general ... :) no plans |
| 20:26.03 | JeffM2501 | because there is no orginisation |
| 20:26.06 | BenUrban | oh |
| 20:26.07 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 20:26.22 | JeffM2501 | it's a bunch of people hacking in what ever they want |
| 20:26.28 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, code it up |
| 20:26.33 | JeffM2501 | submit a patch |
| 20:26.35 | BenUrban | heh, don't feel like locating it |
| 20:26.38 | JeffM2501 | there are no "plans" for anything |
| 20:26.39 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:26.42 | JeffM2501 | then it won't get done |
| 20:26.49 | JeffM2501 | there is no bzflag roadmap |
| 20:26.50 | BenUrban | tell me what file it's in, and i'll write the patch |
| 20:27.01 | JeffM2501 | probably shot strat |
| 20:27.02 | JeffM2501 | for GM |
| 20:27.05 | BenUrban | if i wrote one, would it get in? |
| 20:27.13 | JeffM2501 | woudl depend on how it played |
| 20:27.17 | JeffM2501 | woudln't go into 2.0.x |
| 20:27.18 | BenUrban | uhh, not just for GM |
| 20:27.20 | uso_w | "no engine" is already there :) |
| 20:27.34 | JeffM2501 | GM is the only shot that moves up and down |
| 20:27.34 | BenUrban | for any targeting |
| 20:27.45 | JeffM2501 | GM is the only targeted shot type |
| 20:27.49 | JeffM2501 | all others are tank based |
| 20:27.50 | BenUrban | so i can identify the player i am looking directly at |
| 20:27.51 | BenUrban | for example |
| 20:28.14 | bryjen | the "target" selection is done by the right-click-to-identify stuff |
| 20:28.20 | BenUrban | okay... |
| 20:28.22 | BenUrban | where is that? |
| 20:28.29 | JeffM2501 | in the code |
| 20:28.35 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:28.36 | JeffM2501 | look around search :) |
| 20:28.38 | bryjen | donno, its just not GM specific |
| 20:28.45 | JeffM2501 | there is no one person who wknows all the code |
| 20:28.51 | JeffM2501 | do some work, don't be lasy |
| 20:28.57 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: but i wanna! |
| 20:28.59 | bryjen | or laddy |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | you seem to think we have like a plan or orginsation |
| 20:29.14 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 20:29.19 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, then it dosn't get done |
| 20:29.21 | JeffM2501 | simple as that |
| 20:29.29 | BenUrban | kinda figured as much |
| 20:29.33 | BenUrban | ok, i guess i'll do it |
| 20:29.40 | BenUrban | i'd still like to narrow my search |
| 20:29.48 | BenUrban | or i'd like to know what to grep for |
| 20:29.49 | JeffM2501 | look for identify :) |
| 20:29.53 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:29.59 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:30.05 | BenUrban | not as narrow as i had hoped :P |
| 20:30.07 | JeffM2501 | the text "Looking at" |
| 20:30.10 | JeffM2501 | backtrace from there |
| 20:30.11 | BenUrban | ooh |
| 20:30.14 | BenUrban | good point |
| 20:30.15 | JeffM2501 | see where it came from |
| 20:30.18 | JeffM2501 | just common logic |
| 20:30.27 | BenUrban | heh, i don't think that way :P |
| 20:30.41 | JeffM2501 | what ARE they teaching in CS classes these days? |
| 20:30.59 | BenUrban | hah, i haven't taken a CS class in years |
| 20:31.08 | BenUrban | i am just so far beyond them |
| 20:31.27 | BenUrban | i wouldn't be able to keep from firing up bzflag :P |
| 20:32.09 | BenUrban | well anyway |
| 20:32.17 | bryjen | src/bzflag/playing.cxx::setTarget() |
| 20:32.21 | BenUrban | ooh |
| 20:32.23 | BenUrban | thanks :D |
| 20:32.32 | JeffM2501 | so you didn't even search for the word "target" ? |
| 20:32.35 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 20:33.37 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.49 | BenUrban | well technically i did |
| 20:33.59 | BenUrban | /usr/portage/distfiles/bzflag-2.0.* |
| 20:34.16 | BenUrban | but it wasn't untarred yet |
| 20:34.20 | JeffM2501 | so realy you just haven't looked at all and were hoping we'd just do it for you? |
| 20:34.26 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:34.31 | BenUrban | that would have been easier :D |
| 20:34.35 | BenUrban | (for me) |
| 20:35.10 | JeffM2501 | so far it looks liek your the the only one that wants it :) |
| 20:35.22 | uso_w | does a call of glColor3f reset alpha to 1 or do i have to replace all glColor3f calls by glColor4f if i use it once? |
| 20:35.33 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, no |
| 20:35.41 | JeffM2501 | in GL you only change what you pass in |
| 20:35.44 | JeffM2501 | it's a state machine |
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| 20:36.04 | uso_w | hmm |
| 20:36.15 | JeffM2501 | if alpha is even ON in the current state |
| 20:36.27 | JeffM2501 | if the blend mode dosn't take alpha into account then it will just be ignored |
| 20:37.10 | BenUrban | ooh, how about all white? :P |
| 20:37.16 | BenUrban | and transparent, of course |
| 20:38.05 | BenUrban | wow, that's a huge file |
| 20:38.13 | BenUrban | 6k lines |
| 20:38.18 | BenUrban | wow |
| 20:38.21 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:38.35 | JeffM2501 | welcome to bzflag |
| 20:38.39 | BenUrban | haha |
| 20:38.51 | BenUrban | ...where nobody refactors the files |
| 20:38.53 | BenUrban | apparently |
| 20:38.54 | BenUrban | :P |
| 20:39.02 | JeffM2501 | they do |
| 20:39.04 | JeffM2501 | it's just slow |
| 20:39.13 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:39.17 | JeffM2501 | how many active devs do you think there are? |
| 20:39.35 | uso_w | don't say this, look at tupones anti-shadowing activities ;) |
| 20:40.01 | JeffM2501 | tupone fears the refactor |
| 20:40.16 | uso_w | :) |
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| 20:40.30 | Tupone | what is a refactor? :) |
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| 20:40.34 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 20:41.02 | BenUrban | Tupone: 4 * 9 -> 6 * 6 |
| 20:41.08 | BenUrban | :D |
| 20:41.23 | JeffM2501 | at least tupone makes changes to the code :) |
| 20:41.30 | BenUrban | hehehe |
| 20:42.07 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:42.19 | BenUrban | heh, i don't remember all the math involved... |
| 20:42.41 | BenUrban | i guess i basically just need the formula for the angle between two vectors... |
| 20:42.50 | JeffM2501 | the math is there for the H |
| 20:42.54 | JeffM2501 | you just want to add the V |
| 20:42.59 | JeffM2501 | try reading the code |
| 20:43.14 | BenUrban | well |
| 20:43.20 | JeffM2501 | it's a simple dot product |
| 20:43.24 | BenUrban | ah yes |
| 20:43.26 | BenUrban | dot product |
| 20:43.30 | BenUrban | heh, it's been awhile |
| 20:43.52 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:44.07 | BenUrban | oh |
| 20:44.08 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:44.42 | BenUrban | heh, i gotta temporarily convert this to python just to figure out exactly what it's doing |
| 20:44.56 | JeffM2501 | language is langauge |
| 20:44.58 | Tupone | BenUrban: I wonder how you aim to one that is at, says, 80 degree, with GM. You tilt your tank ? |
| 20:45.16 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 20:45.22 | BenUrban | well |
| 20:45.33 | Tupone | jump to aim? |
| 20:45.36 | BenUrban | obviously the actual restriction would only be based on horizontal angle |
| 20:45.52 | Tupone | I mean the logic you want in |
| 20:45.52 | BenUrban | but it should still lock onto the one that's closest to the aim vector |
| 20:46.01 | uso_w | how does a GM shot work? does the client send a chain of small "normal" shots? or is it completely different handled in the protocoll? |
| 20:46.12 | JeffM2501 | it's it's own shot type |
| 20:46.39 | JeffM2501 | all the shot types are seperate |
| 20:47.03 | Tupone | now is the one closer, inside an aiming horizonthal angle |
| 20:48.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: Rebuild the scene, after all remote texture are loaded |
| 20:49.21 | BenUrban | btw, i presume diff -u is the format i should use to send it? |
| 20:49.33 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:49.40 | BenUrban | k |
| 20:50.29 | Tupone | as the patch normally are applied after ages ( :) ) source can change, and unified difference help synchronizing |
| 20:51.28 | BenUrban | well i'm not diffing against cvs, since it would be too much trouble to deal with cvs |
| 20:53.55 | JeffM2501 | what's hard about cvs? |
| 20:54.02 | BenUrban | meh |
| 20:54.21 | BenUrban | slightly more trouble than using a tarball i already have on my comp |
| 20:54.25 | BenUrban | haha |
| 20:54.47 | DTRemenak | it's like a void...an empty void |
| 20:54.54 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you have to get REALY close to the screen |
| 20:54.58 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 20:55.30 | JeffM2501 | fair amount of effort goes into his jibs and jokes about the devs and the code tho |
| 20:55.32 | JeffM2501 | odd that |
| 20:55.49 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 20:55.57 | DTRemenak | hmm, I didn't see any jokes...or maybe they just weren't funny enough to be remembered |
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| 20:56.24 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, your probalbly just too lazy |
| 20:56.30 | DTRemenak | probably :) |
| 20:56.31 | JeffM2501 | and you dont' use a mac |
| 20:56.36 | JeffM2501 | macs make jokes funnyer |
| 20:56.38 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 20:56.48 | JeffM2501 | see |
| 20:56.51 | JeffM2501 | I sent that thru a mac |
| 20:57.01 | DTRemenak | that must be it :) |
| 20:57.15 | JeffM2501 | maximum hillarity can only be acheved if both people are using macs |
| 20:57.18 | JeffM2501 | and ichatAV |
| 20:57.19 | BenUrban | ROFLMFAO |
| 20:57.58 | bryjen | bass-ackwards fish-slap-ery |
| 20:58.39 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 20:58.47 | bryjen | he does that alot too |
| 20:59.00 | JeffM2501 | he must have no ass by now |
| 20:59.06 | BenUrban | heh |
| 20:59.08 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 20:59.08 | JeffM2501 | or many many twinkies |
| 20:59.13 | BenUrban | ROFL |
| 20:59.23 | BenUrban | this is what i love about devs :D |
| 20:59.25 | spldart | LOL'S cyah |
| 20:59.27 | *** part/#bzflag spldart (~james@adsl-70-240-231-101.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 21:00.02 | JeffM2501 | the fact that we arn't AOL kiddies? |
| 21:00.13 | DTRemenak | mm, twinkies |
| 21:01.09 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 21:01.52 | Noodleman | don't go riding him, he's not broken in |
| 21:02.01 | Noodleman | he still kicks a lot |
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| 21:02.09 | JeffM2501 | hay and milk for at least a week |
| 21:02.20 | Noodleman | listen to JeffM2501 |
| 21:02.22 | trepan | JeffM2501: pong |
| 21:02.26 | Noodleman | he's the ass-mastah |
| 21:02.34 | BenUrban | he has a donkey? |
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| 21:02.41 | JeffM2501 | trepan, do you still have that URL for the power model you redid, I left it at home |
| 21:02.54 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, duhh. I admin bzbb |
| 21:03.00 | BenUrban | ah |
| 21:03.07 | JeffM2501 | I have 1500 donkeys |
| 21:03.16 | BenUrban | heh |
| 21:03.25 | JeffM2501 | more every day |
| 21:04.30 | bryjen | many wearing hats |
| 21:04.30 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 21:04.30 | Noodleman | asshats? |
| 21:04.30 | bryjen | 'zactly |
| 21:04.30 | JeffM2501 | many are the hats |
| 21:05.03 | blast007 | then don't read it ;) |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM2501 | it's not rocketscience |
| 21:05.40 | BenUrban | blast007: xchat-osd |
| 21:05.40 | DTRemenak | or, don't get anything done |
| 21:05.40 | BenUrban | lol |
| 21:05.40 | DTRemenak | it's mostly mindless drivel anyway :) |
| 21:05.40 | BenUrban | that's the good stuff |
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| 21:05.41 | BenUrban | lol |
| 21:05.54 | DTRemenak | riiiight. |
| 21:05.54 | bryjen | "...funny how? Funny like a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to !@#$ amuse you?" |
| 21:05.54 | BenUrban | haha |
| 21:06.22 | Noodleman | i think clowns are scary |
| 21:06.40 | JeffM2501 | you think cheese is scarry |
| 21:06.55 | BenUrban | lol |
| 21:07.12 | Noodleman | no, cheese is my raison d'etra |
| 21:07.13 | Noodleman | without it, all i'd have is donuts |
| 21:07.30 | bryjen | cheese and raisins? yuk. |
| 21:07.47 | BenUrban | simple solution: put cheese inside the donuts |
| 21:07.47 | JeffM2501 | that's nasty |
| 21:08.06 | Noodleman | indeed |
| 21:09.09 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:09.11 | DTRemenak | yup, gotta be scared of the Scandinavian Workshop on Algorithm Theory! |
| 21:09.26 | BenUrban | ROFLMFAO |
| 21:10.45 | bryjen | http://dhcp-170-84.caltech.edu:901/ <- connection refused |
| 21:11.17 | Noodleman | DTRemenak: and the Society of Witnesses to Authoritarian Tepidity |
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| 21:11.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 21:11.43 | BenUrban | LOL |
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| 21:11.48 | DTRemenak | and the Soil and Water Assessment Tool |
| 21:11.51 | BenUrban | hello again CBG |
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| 21:12.00 | CBG | Hi benurban |
| 21:12.08 | DTRemenak | wb brlcad |
| 21:12.12 | bryjen | my reference was too obscure? |
| 21:12.28 | DTRemenak | bryjen, no, just not too funny :) |
| 21:12.35 | bryjen | well, yeah |
| 21:12.56 | DTRemenak | connection was refused because I configure Samba through webmin :) |
| 21:13.08 | Noodleman | don't forget the Stupid Woodchucks' Anonymous Tirade |
| 21:13.35 | BenUrban | HAHA |
| 21:14.54 | DTRemenak | and the Students Working to Advance Technology |
| 21:16.02 | Noodleman | Somebody With A 'Tude |
| 21:17.19 | DTRemenak | Seattle Washington Autoduel Team |
| 21:17.37 | BenUrban | autoduel? |
| 21:18.14 | DTRemenak | http://www.sjgames.com/car-wars/aada/ |
| 21:18.38 | blast007 | Synthetic Worker Assembled for Troubleshooting |
| 21:18.57 | BenUrban | heh |
| 21:19.10 | Noodleman | Swat - Worthless Acronyms Today! |
| 21:19.18 | DTRemenak | Strength/Wellness Athletic Training |
| 21:19.29 | DTRemenak | ooh, recursive. |
| 21:19.32 | DTRemenak | ~noodleman++ |
| 21:19.39 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:22.20 | Noodleman | ~karma Noodleman |
| 21:22.20 | ibot | noodleman has karma of 9 |
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| 21:23.57 | CBG | ~karma CBG |
| 21:23.57 | ibot | cbg has karma of -1 |
| 21:24.03 | BenUrban | haha |
| 21:24.06 | BenUrban | CBG-- |
| 21:24.07 | CBG | ~CBG++ |
| 21:24.09 | BenUrban | ~CBG-- |
| 21:24.13 | BenUrban | :D |
| 21:24.17 | CBG | :( |
| 21:24.19 | CBG | ~karma CBG |
| 21:24.20 | ibot | cbg has karma of -2 |
| 21:24.24 | JeffM2501 | you can't up your own karma |
| 21:24.30 | CBG | I know... |
| 21:24.38 | CBG | ~fishslap benUrban |
| 21:24.42 | ibot | ACTION slaps benUrban up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:24.53 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 21:28.12 | JeffM2501 | we don't realy need to hear more about your ass |
| 21:28.21 | CBG | rofl :D |
| 21:28.40 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || MAL=3 |
| 21:28.58 | JeffM2501 | you can stop now |
| 21:29.00 | JeffM2501 | realy |
| 21:29.14 | CBG | Thats "really". 2 l's/ |
| 21:29.33 | BenUrban | haha |
| 21:29.40 | BenUrban | looks like i have some competition |
| 21:29.43 | JeffM2501 | you'll live |
| 21:29.54 | blast007 | CBG: That's that's, 1 ' :P |
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| 21:30.05 | fabianne | where is sean!?!? |
| 21:30.08 | fabianne | and hi :D |
| 21:30.13 | JeffM2501 | haven't seen him all day |
| 21:30.19 | fabianne | aww =( |
| 21:30.21 | CBG | blast007, ;) |
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| 21:34.06 | JeffM2501 | you run a 16 bit z buffer? |
| 21:34.15 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah ATI |
| 21:34.18 | JeffM2501 | never mind |
| 21:34.24 | CBG | Talking to me, Jeff? |
| 21:34.35 | JeffM2501 | you were the last to speak |
| 21:34.36 | JeffM2501 | so yes |
| 21:34.46 | CBG | hats a z buffer? |
| 21:34.49 | CBG | *whats |
| 21:35.04 | BenUrban | z-buffer = depth buffer |
| 21:35.13 | JeffM2501 | your screenys show some nasty tearing where the middle pyramid intersects your objects |
| 21:35.25 | JeffM2501 | usualy that is a sign of a lower res depth buffer |
| 21:35.29 | CBG | tearing? |
| 21:35.33 | JeffM2501 | but then I rememberd your on an ATI |
| 21:35.42 | CBG | what do you mean by "buffer: |
| 21:35.44 | JeffM2501 | that "sawtooth" look |
| 21:35.49 | CBG | Ok... |
| 21:35.49 | JeffM2501 | do you run in 16 bit? |
| 21:35.52 | JeffM2501 | color? |
| 21:35.54 | bz9664 | the chopped lines? |
| 21:35.59 | JeffM2501 | aka "thousands" |
| 21:36.04 | CBG | Perhaps |
| 21:36.18 | JeffM2501 | on the ATI cards that limits the depth buffer |
| 21:36.24 | JeffM2501 | so it makes stuff like that happen |
| 21:36.39 | CBG | I ahve "Millions" of colors set |
| 21:36.45 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:36.48 | CBG | (1024x768 res) |
| 21:36.58 | JeffM2501 | well I guess that's all your driver picked for you then |
| 21:37.12 | JeffM2501 | just looks rather chunky |
| 21:37.21 | CBG | Is this something I should be worrying about? |
| 21:37.27 | JeffM2501 | but it's not part of the map |
| 21:37.36 | JeffM2501 | dono, how much do you care about image quality? |
| 21:37.54 | CBG | Not a lot for this type of thing... |
| 21:37.55 | JeffM2501 | it'll look better on systems that use a full 32 bits for the depth buffer. |
| 21:38.11 | JeffM2501 | then no, you should not worry about it. |
| 21:38.19 | CBG | Ok. Thanks :) |
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| 21:39.02 | JeffM2501 | odd that you'd have a 16 depth buffer, and a 32bit frame buffer |
| 21:39.16 | JeffM2501 | guess somone decided to think difrent |
| 21:39.33 | CBG | Even if I knew what you were on about, i wouldn't think it odd. |
| 21:39.46 | JeffM2501 | because you've never seen anything else |
| 21:39.52 | CBG | I guess |
| 21:39.57 | JeffM2501 | see the sawtooth where the middle pyramid is? |
| 21:40.03 | CBG | I use MacOS a lot more than Windows... |
| 21:40.04 | CBG | yes. |
| 21:40.12 | JeffM2501 | that's not part of the geometry |
| 21:40.17 | CBG | I know. |
| 21:40.24 | JeffM2501 | in a pure geometry sense that should be a smooth line |
| 21:40.25 | CBG | Its nowhere near as bad in-game |
| 21:40.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah the faruther you pull out the worse it will look |
| 21:40.46 | JeffM2501 | it'll show more on larger maps for you. |
| 21:40.52 | CBG | Ah. Ok. That explains it. |
| 21:41.10 | JeffM2501 | just dosn't look that good when your trying to show off your map :) |
| 21:41.25 | CBG | Yeah. Anyway. We are digressing. Please can you post a comment about my map? |
| 21:41.32 | JeffM2501 | it's simple |
| 21:41.34 | JeffM2501 | not much to say |
| 21:41.46 | CBG | First ever map... All dont in textedit... |
| 21:41.53 | CBG | *done in... |
| 21:42.14 | CBG | Its similar to the gu.de map... |
| 21:42.36 | CBG | Infact, I make use of spheres and cylinders. ;) The gu map doesn't. :D |
| 21:43.11 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 21:43.19 | CBG | Lol. |
| 21:45.29 | purple_cow | it's a good thing JeffM2501 is here to encourage the kiddies |
| 21:46.11 | JeffM2501 | only on sundays |
| 21:46.46 | BenUrban | CBG: it's too far away |
| 21:46.48 | BenUrban | :D |
| 21:46.57 | CBG | The screens? |
| 21:47.03 | BenUrban | no, the map |
| 21:47.04 | BenUrban | lol |
| 21:47.07 | CBG | lol |
| 21:47.08 | JeffM2501 | people will talk about it if they chose to do so |
| 21:47.10 | JeffM2501 | you can't demand it |
| 21:47.15 | CBG | i just did |
| 21:47.26 | JeffM2501 | isn't going to help anything |
| 21:47.33 | JeffM2501 | only makes you seem more rude |
| 21:47.35 | CBG | JeffM: I don't care |
| 21:47.42 | JeffM2501 | YOU ARE WRONG! |
| 21:47.47 | JeffM2501 | you do care |
| 21:47.52 | JeffM2501 | or you would not have said it |
| 21:47.53 | CBG | Really? |
| 21:47.57 | CBG | You think so? |
| 21:48.03 | JeffM2501 | I know os |
| 21:48.08 | CBG | Have you ever done GCSE's Jeff? |
| 21:48.09 | BenUrban | CBG: your map sucks balls |
| 21:48.23 | BenUrban | :) |
| 21:48.25 | CBG | BenUrban: thanks for the comment!!! |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM2501 | I do not know that term |
| 21:48.50 | BenUrban | ~google GCSE |
| 21:48.52 | BenUrban | :P |
| 21:49.24 | CBG | Then I doubt you realise that I don't have enough 'care' to go around everything and "demaning wont help" come bottom of the list of things I should care about. |
| 21:49.47 | JeffM2501 | what are you babbling about? |
| 21:50.00 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 21:50.10 | CBG | Infact, I shouldnt even be talking to you. |
| 21:50.20 | JeffM2501 | what it's like the SAT? |
| 21:50.22 | CBG | Far far far far far far far far far too much work to be doing. |
| 21:50.29 | CBG | No no no. |
| 21:50.49 | CBG | The GCSE's are like the bigger, fatter, nastier, uglier, version of the baby-like sats. |
| 21:51.02 | JeffM2501 | ok so AP tests |
| 21:51.09 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 21:51.13 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 21:51.16 | JeffM2501 | I did those 15 years ago |
| 21:51.17 | CBG | WHilst sats are to be teased, GCSE's are to avoided at all costs. |
| 21:51.26 | BenUrban | that's "whoopdy freakin' do" to you |
| 21:51.49 | CBG | Way to go cow!! |
| 21:52.02 | BenUrban | heh |
| 21:52.05 | BenUrban | in that order? |
| 21:52.47 | CBG | As my dog has taught me: sit in front of something, whining and stare at it long enough, and soon it shall be yours! |
| 21:53.04 | BenUrban | CBG: only works for dogs |
| 21:53.04 | JeffM2501 | ether that |
| 21:53.07 | JeffM2501 | your you'll be kicked |
| 21:53.18 | CBG | ;) |
| 21:53.27 | CBG | Who says Im not a dog? |
| 21:53.35 | BenUrban | you sounds like one... |
| 21:53.37 | blast007 | ... |
| 21:53.57 | JeffM2501 | both of you sound like attention whoring idiots |
| 21:54.21 | BenUrban | good point |
| 21:54.30 | CBG | Now this foul, vulgar world shall be mine! Muahahahaha! |
| 21:55.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, GCSE's are more like SAT-9's, long and mandatory. AP has more in common with thier "A-level" tests. At least, that's what I can gather from wikipedia. |
| 21:55.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:56.04 | CBG | I just thought. I can have unlimited accounts on the bb which means I can have unlimited globally registerd callsigns on bzflag. |
| 21:56.06 | JeffM2501 | so just mandiory testings |
| 21:56.15 | JeffM2501 | the optional ones are the real challenge :) |
| 21:56.19 | CBG | I shall just set up a catch-all and enter random addresses... :D |
| 21:56.31 | CBG | JeffM: these GCSE's are big. |
| 21:56.33 | JeffM2501 | no, i'll ban you first |
| 21:56.40 | JeffM2501 | size maters not |
| 21:56.53 | CBG | Fail your GCSES and your gonna be working in burgerking for many years to come. |
| 21:57.02 | JeffM2501 | then I'd get cracking |
| 21:57.12 | CBG | ban me for what? |
| 21:57.23 | JeffM2501 | abbusing user accounts |
| 21:57.44 | JeffM2501 | and poluting the namespace |
| 21:58.14 | CBG | These are your exact words Jeff: |
| 21:58.15 | CBG | yes you have to make one name here for every name you play on. each account needs it's own e-mail address. |
| 21:58.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:58.23 | JeffM2501 | with in reason |
| 21:58.27 | CBG | I play on 1257 different callsigns |
| 21:58.39 | CBG | So I shall create 1257 different bb accounts. :)\ |
| 21:58.39 | JeffM2501 | somehow I doubt that |
| 21:59.00 | JeffM2501 | and 2) when you are doing activating that many usernamed you'll have failed your test |
| 21:59.04 | CBG | Hi Mr Riker. :) |
| 21:59.14 | JeffM2501 | I know you like to mess with people |
| 21:59.23 | JeffM2501 | these are not things to mess with |
| 21:59.28 | CBG | Jeff: My exams will finish eventually. |
| 21:59.33 | *** join/#bzflag crko (~jan@cmb27-47.dial-up.arnes.si) |
| 21:59.36 | JeffM2501 | with or with out you |
| 21:59.39 | CBG | what are not things to mess with? |
| 21:59.47 | JeffM2501 | better get to work on that burger fliping arm |
| 21:59.56 | CBG | ~google gunts |
| 22:00.02 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 22:00.11 | JeffM2501 | it generaly means everyone is geting anoyed with you and you will be asked to shut up now |
| 22:00.19 | CBG | Oh. Right. |
| 22:00.33 | BenUrban | ~shut up |
| 22:00.34 | ibot | yes, Master benurban |
| 22:00.39 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 22:00.47 | CBG | Rofl |
| 22:01.07 | CBG | o |
| 22:01.14 | DTRemenak | hmm. The uk has a really different testing system overall. Makes a lot more sense than the American way. |
| 22:01.15 | CBG | Try /silence CBG |
| 22:01.32 | CBG | DTR: And that applies for everything else too. |
| 22:01.46 | DTRemenak | except your spelling :P |
| 22:02.02 | CBG | ? |
| 22:02.10 | DTRemenak | "colonise" |
| 22:02.15 | DTRemenak | "colour" |
| 22:02.24 | CBG | DTR: The language is called "ENGLISH" |
| 22:02.31 | CBG | The english invented it. |
| 22:02.34 | CBG | You changed it. |
| 22:02.39 | DTRemenak | CBG: and it's one of the most screwed up languages in the world :) |
| 22:02.41 | CBG | So you are at fault. |
| 22:02.47 | CBG | Then why use it? |
| 22:03.10 | DTRemenak | wierd hybrid of celtic, germanic and romantic traditions. |
| 22:03.17 | DTRemenak | that is disgusting |
| 22:03.25 | JeffM2501 | CBG, realy just shut up |
| 22:03.30 | JeffM2501 | please |
| 22:03.39 | CBG | Yessuh, Mr JeffM, suh. |
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| 22:03.48 | DTRemenak | if only everyone on the internet would stop speaking english, I would too. |
| 22:04.14 | uso_w | CBG: /silence does not work, but there's amenu entry, thanks for the hint :) |
| 22:04.17 | CBG | Not "everyone on the internet" speaks english. |
| 22:04.19 | uso_w | CBG!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 22:04.41 | CBG | You'r welcome uso_w. If you can 'hear' me. |
| 22:04.52 | DTRemenak | english is the de facto lingua franca of the internet. |
| 22:06.10 | DTRemenak | when some german guy needs to talk to some japanese guy, they'll likely use english, not german or japanese. |
| 22:06.26 | CBG | Unless the german guy knows japanese |
| 22:06.32 | CBG | or the japanese guy knows german |
| 22:06.33 | DTRemenak | that's why I said likely |
| 22:06.38 | CBG | or if one doesnt know english. |
| 22:06.46 | CBG | :) I was just clarifying |
| 22:07.06 | DTRemenak | the statement did not need clarification. both you and I understood it perfectly well. |
| 22:07.22 | CBG | I wanted to clarify it... Whats the problem? |
| 22:07.24 | DTRemenak | you're wasting bytes :P |
| 22:08.12 | CBG | I could do with one to eat... |
| 22:08.43 | CBG | Dydys eb at bod braidd yn blino. |
| 22:09.01 | DTRemenak | heh, like welsh is useful on the internet :) |
| 22:09.11 | JeffM2501 | or real life |
| 22:09.12 | DTRemenak | unless you want to read alan cox' blog, I guess |
| 22:09.27 | CBG | JeffM: Welsh is rwlly useful to speak to welsh speaking people with. |
| 22:09.41 | CBG | You would be surpised to hear that some people in Wales speak Welsh. |
| 22:09.48 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 22:09.52 | CBG | Yep. |
| 22:12.41 | uso_w | eeek, a bzfs started from inside bzflag blocks audio device |
| 22:12.44 | uso_w | why that? |
| 22:14.33 | DTRemenak | patches welcome |
| 22:14.41 | DTRemenak | I mean, I dunno :) |
| 22:15.32 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:15.54 | uso_w | nice translation :) |
| 22:16.02 | uso_w | default fallback :) |
| 22:17.39 | uso_w | hehe, starts getting funny, red geno shots, green SB's, purple GM and yellow "zoned" shots |
| 22:17.52 | uso_w | must play on viper later at home :) |
| 22:19.07 | uso_w | astonishing this coloring works on the i810 ... irritating |
| 22:19.30 | DTRemenak | there are some who would accuse you of nudging the border of cheating for that :) |
| 22:20.17 | uso_w | only for testing ;) |
| 22:20.22 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 22:21.40 | uso_w | have to check how to make the colored shots on radar option a tristate |
| 22:21.49 | uso_w | to not bloat up BZDB ;) |
| 22:22.32 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, if you are woried about option bloat, I can sugest some options that we don't need anymore |
| 22:23.08 | uso_w | so there will be place for my new ones :) |
| 22:23.29 | JeffM2501 | I belive the entire menu system needs to be redone |
| 22:23.44 | JeffM2501 | posibly with Crazy Eddie's GUI System |
| 22:25.28 | uso_w | does the BZDBCachennnnn/BZDB |
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| 22:25.37 | uso_w | oops |
| 22:25.42 | DTRemenak | right |
| 22:25.57 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, I could probably suggest some options to kill too |
| 22:26.03 | uso_w | guess the editor ;) |
| 22:26.16 | DTRemenak | we should probably trim it down sometime |
| 22:26.30 | JeffM2501 | depth buffer is not needed |
| 22:26.41 | DTRemenak | write better detection code for video stuff and remove the user options |
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| 22:26.47 | uso_w | depth buffer IS needed |
| 22:26.56 | JeffM2501 | not as an option |
| 22:27.00 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl allways be ON |
| 22:27.09 | uso_w | without switching it off i could not play some maps |
| 22:27.15 | JeffM2501 | upgrade |
| 22:27.16 | JeffM2501 | or die |
| 22:27.29 | JeffM2501 | but if you have that problem then there are problems in the rest of the system that must be fixed |
| 22:27.37 | JeffM2501 | options should not hide bugs |
| 22:27.51 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:28.03 | DTRemenak | the code should do more and the user less |
| 22:28.32 | DTRemenak | but we're still gonna have a load of UI options |
| 22:28.34 | JeffM2501 | if the gui system had more standard controlls like lists, dialogs, and dropdowwns it could be cleaned up a lot |
| 22:28.43 | JeffM2501 | it can be aranged nicely |
| 22:28.46 | JeffM2501 | dialogs with tabs |
| 22:28.48 | JeffM2501 | smart defualts |
| 22:28.50 | JeffM2501 | presets |
| 22:28.52 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 22:28.58 | JeffM2501 | spinners |
| 22:29.12 | JeffM2501 | sliders |
| 22:29.12 | DTRemenak | most of that can be done with our current system |
| 22:29.15 | DTRemenak | sliders, lists, and so on are already there |
| 22:29.18 | JeffM2501 | have you SEEN crazy eddies system? |
| 22:29.22 | DTRemenak | dialogs are usually bad design |
| 22:29.24 | JeffM2501 | it's all XML |
| 22:29.24 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 22:29.28 | DTRemenak | I'm not that fond of it, actually |
| 22:29.32 | JeffM2501 | and external |
| 22:29.32 | DTRemenak | I know :) |
| 22:29.45 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, that is why you fail |
| 22:29.47 | uso_w | but i like the set options to fine tune the system |
| 22:29.56 | DTRemenak | uso_w, UI design is important |
| 22:30.03 | DTRemenak | the UI is what you see and what you interact with |
| 22:30.17 | JeffM2501 | the UT menu system is prety cool |
| 22:30.21 | uso_w | i know, for the other 99% of users |
| 22:30.25 | JeffM2501 | all a game IS is , UI |
| 22:30.35 | uso_w | and for me, if i forced to use it often ;) |
| 22:30.42 | JeffM2501 | a game dosn't do anything else other then Inteface with a User |
| 22:30.47 | DTRemenak | uso_w, no, for everyone |
| 22:30.51 | DTRemenak | CLI is a UI also |
| 22:30.57 | DTRemenak | there are bad CLIs and good CLIs |
| 22:31.00 | DTRemenak | bzfs is a bad one :) |
| 22:31.12 | DTRemenak | that needs to be cleaned up too |
| 22:31.22 | JeffM2501 | DIALOGS! :) |
| 22:31.37 | uso_w | ja ja ... this was regarding the config menus ... i do not use them that often that i have to care about them |
| 22:31.58 | DTRemenak | uso_w, when you do use them, I bet you want to be able to find what you need |
| 22:32.54 | uso_w | yes, but thats not a question of the design of the UI, but a question of logcal structure |
| 22:33.13 | uso_w | *i |
| 22:33.59 | DTRemenak | that's part of what UI is |
| 22:34.09 | DTRemenak | layout, structure, presentation |
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| 22:35.44 | uso_w | yeah, i would say structure and consistency are the main focus for me |
| 22:35.56 | uso_w | and yes, bzflag isn't a good one :) |
| 22:36.58 | DTRemenak | it's not designed at all, so of course it's not consistent. there are no rules, and all the changes are made by different people who usually just want thier little thing to work |
| 22:37.10 | DTRemenak | dang, I sound like JeffM2501 |
| 22:37.13 | uso_w | like me ;) |
| 22:37.52 | DTRemenak | what's worse, I'm acting like JeffM2501. I'm ranting about this thing, and not actually doing anything about it :) |
| 22:38.14 | uso_w | lol |
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| 22:39.14 | JeffM2501 | damn straight! |
| 22:39.31 | JeffM2501 | tho I am writing a new meny system class right now |
| 22:39.39 | JeffM2501 | my MO is to make a proof of concept |
| 22:39.45 | JeffM2501 | then you slap it into bz :) |
| 22:39.55 | JeffM2501 | worked for texturemanager |
| 22:39.58 | JeffM2501 | and font manager |
| 22:40.05 | JeffM2501 | now it's the slowest thing in there :) |
| 22:40.49 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 22:40.55 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:41.04 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I am not fond of the API for the CEGUI ether, but I do like that its general and externalised |
| 22:41.48 | JeffM2501 | soon I will have bzflag crawling to a stop, and you will have no choice to join me on the dark side of the codebase |
| 22:42.25 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 22:43.08 | JeffM2501 | help me srike down the maintainer, and we can rule the source as dude, and a bunch of other dudes |
| 22:44.57 | uso_w | rebellion :) |
| 22:45.04 | bryjen | obliterate their homedirs from space! ;) |
| 22:45.12 | JeffM2501 | Fear will keep them in line |
| 22:45.17 | JeffM2501 | fear of this banhammer! |
| 22:46.35 | uso_w | enlightment |
| 22:46.50 | JeffM2501 | no I use thunderbird |
| 22:52.26 | uso_w | heigth correction of shot color only works for my own shots and for shots of others if coloredradarshots is on |
| 22:52.33 | uso_w | feature? |
| 22:53.14 | uso_w | or should i fix it? |
| 22:54.00 | uso_w | could someone with 2 bzflags check it? |
| 22:57.23 | DTRemenak | height correction should not occur if colored shots is not on, that's correct |
| 22:57.50 | uso_w | should not? any reasons? |
| 22:58.23 | DTRemenak | that's the way it's always been. basically two styles, plain and fancy |
| 22:58.29 | uso_w | so why it occurs nevertheless for my own shots? |
| 22:58.49 | DTRemenak | ah. shouldn't happen for your own shots either |
| 22:59.02 | DTRemenak | probably a missed line of some sort |
| 22:59.31 | uso_w | ok, than it would be at least consistent |
| 23:00.04 | uso_w | brlcad must fly too high :) |
| 23:00.12 | DTRemenak | brlcad is always high |
| 23:00.26 | brlcad | you are the wind beneath my wings |
| 23:01.08 | brlcad | and drug of choice.. |
| 23:01.15 | DTRemenak | fly, fly, fly away... |
| 23:01.51 | brlcad | oo oo eeeeeeee.... |
| 23:01.59 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 23:02.39 | uso_w | which either should be done globally ;) |
| 23:03.14 | DTRemenak | I see an either but I can't find an or |
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| 23:03.40 | uso_w | grr |
| 23:03.47 | uso_w | ~trans de en sowieso |
| 23:04.05 | DTRemenak | ~x de en sowieso |
| 23:04.22 | uso_w | s/either/anyway/ |
| 23:04.32 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 23:04.43 | JeffM2501 | underpants |
| 23:04.47 | JeffM2501 | ww |
| 23:04.50 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 23:05.02 | JeffM2501 | wrong macro key |
| 23:06.09 | brlcad | hehe, who else would have that tied to a macro key |
| 23:06.12 | JeffM2501 | aww look CBG got a comment on his map |
| 23:06.59 | JeffM2501 | ya never know when you'll need it, at a keystrokes notice |
| 23:07.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, bz menu dosn't have dropdowns or checkboxes does it? |
| 23:07.38 | JeffM2501 | nothing that does mouse interaction IRC |
| 23:07.48 | DTRemenak | no. instead of checkboxes we use On/Off |
| 23:07.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:07.59 | DTRemenak | lists as dropdowns |
| 23:08.07 | JeffM2501 | that's why it allways looks like a list of items |
| 23:08.08 | DTRemenak | yeah, no mouse interaction |
| 23:08.22 | DTRemenak | that way you can keep dodging bullets while you change stuff |
| 23:08.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:08.45 | JeffM2501 | not realy intutive given the state of most UI GUIs |
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| 23:08.49 | brlcad | bah |
| 23:08.57 | brlcad | drop to menu and get killed |
| 23:09.02 | DTRemenak | no, it's not consistent with anything |
| 23:09.08 | brlcad | that's the way grandpappy taught |
| 23:09.10 | DTRemenak | and it hurts keyboard players like brlcad here |
| 23:09.12 | JeffM2501 | is there a message that says "use the arrow keys to move in the menu" ? |
| 23:09.18 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:09.20 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:09.23 | bz4296 | Does anyone here know how to spell dacarie? The drink |
| 23:09.31 | DTRemenak | Up/Down Arrows to Move, Enter to Select, Escape to Exit |
| 23:09.36 | DTRemenak | is I believe the exact text |
| 23:09.41 | JeffM2501 | I can't build so I can't see for myself |
| 23:09.42 | brlcad | it's a personal attack on keyboarders everywhere |
| 23:09.56 | DTRemenak | you should just map your movement keys to wasd :) |
| 23:10.06 | brlcad | bz4296: Daquiri |
| 23:10.12 | bz4296 | thanks |
| 23:10.21 | DTRemenak | use the keypad for functions |
| 23:10.31 | brlcad | ~spell daquiri |
| 23:10.38 | brlcad | hehe |
| 23:10.38 | JeffM2501 | welcome to bzflag-grammar |
| 23:10.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:10.44 | brlcad | oops |
| 23:11.15 | JeffM2501 | see I'm courpting you all |
| 23:11.21 | DTRemenak | uso_w, you can drink anything when you play bzflag |
| 23:11.23 | JeffM2501 | soon you will all turn |
| 23:11.31 | DTRemenak | too much and it gets hard to control though |
| 23:11.36 | uso_w | DTRemenak: but not vice versa ;) |
| 23:12.21 | uso_w | change servers, start with 1 shot, end up to 20 shots :) |
| 23:12.46 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:12.55 | DTRemenak | take a shot every time you get shot |
| 23:13.03 | brlcad | that'd be a short game |
| 23:13.07 | uso_w | short game :) |
| 23:13.13 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 23:13.26 | brlcad | now take a shot on team capture. .. |
| 23:13.37 | DTRemenak | hehe |
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| 23:39.32 | Death_Barrel | can someone take a look at my bzfs config file and tell me whats wrong? |
| 23:40.16 | JeffM2501 | what is the problem? |
| 23:41.44 | Death_Barrel | won't start |
| 23:41.48 | Death_Barrel | i am posting in pastebin now |
| 23:41.51 | Death_Barrel | one moment |
| 23:41.52 | JeffM2501 | and the error it gives is ? |
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| 23:43.03 | JeffM2501 | the config is useless with out even knowing the error |
| 23:45.07 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 23:45.08 | Death_Barrel | one sec |
| 23:45.15 | Death_Barrel | it just posts the man page |
| 23:45.20 | Death_Barrel | the header of the man page |
| 23:45.41 | Death_Barrel | when i type>> bzfs -config "config-file" |
| 23:46.23 | Death_Barrel | http://www.pastebin.com/275970 |
| 23:46.26 | Death_Barrel | there is the config |
| 23:46.29 | blast007 | it's -conf |
| 23:46.33 | Death_Barrel | yeah |
| 23:46.34 | Death_Barrel | i know |
| 23:46.39 | Death_Barrel | miss typed that |
| 23:46.46 | JeffM2501 | the error message will say what option it does not like |
| 23:46.52 | JeffM2501 | what is the message before the usage part |
| 23:46.57 | JeffM2501 | the part you call the "man" page |
| 23:47.05 | Death_Barrel | let me look |
| 23:47.07 | JeffM2501 | bzfs will tell you what is wrong |
| 23:47.09 | JeffM2501 | you just have to read |
| 23:47.29 | Death_Barrel | ah ok i see it now |
| 23:47.35 | brad2901 | for one.. you need to put a " at the end of the public line |
| 23:47.35 | Death_Barrel | didn't see that before |
| 23:47.36 | Death_Barrel | thx |
| 23:47.45 | Death_Barrel | ok i check that too |
| 23:47.48 | Death_Barrel | thx guys |
| 23:47.59 | Death_Barrel | says -lagwarn is invalid flag |
| 23:48.09 | JeffM2501 | then lagwarn is invalid |
| 23:48.19 | Death_Barrel | yeah i know :) changing now |
| 23:49.35 | Death_Barrel | -mp is an invalid flag ? |
| 23:49.41 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:49.46 | JeffM2501 | probably something before that |
| 23:49.58 | Death_Barrel | [root@lwserv bzfs]# bzfs -conf ducati-us |
| 23:49.58 | Death_Barrel | invalid flag "-mp" |
| 23:50.34 | JeffM2501 | you have a -f |
| 23:50.36 | JeffM2501 | with no flags |
| 23:50.41 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 23:50.45 | JeffM2501 | that makes it look at the next stuff as flags |
| 23:50.48 | Death_Barrel | whats the option to turn off flags ? |
| 23:50.50 | JeffM2501 | and gets all jacked up |
| 23:50.56 | JeffM2501 | don't put any in |
| 23:50.57 | Death_Barrel | -f * |
| 23:50.58 | JeffM2501 | no flags is default |
| 23:50.59 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 23:50.59 | Death_Barrel | ok |
| 23:51.38 | JeffM2501 | -MP and -lagwarn are invalid flag names |
| 23:51.38 | Death_Barrel | hmm |
| 23:51.41 | JeffM2501 | they are commands :) |
| 23:52.01 | Death_Barrel | so what would i put instead of -mp ? |
| 23:52.15 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:52.21 | JeffM2501 | it's trying to read MP as a flag |
| 23:52.24 | JeffM2501 | like GM |
| 23:52.32 | Death_Barrel | oh |
| 23:52.36 | JeffM2501 | cus you didn't put a flag after -f |
| 23:52.49 | Death_Barrel | well i got rid of that error |
| 23:52.54 | Death_Barrel | here is the new one>> |
| 23:52.55 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:53.03 | Death_Barrel | [root@lwserv bzfs]# bzfs -conf ducati-us |
| 23:53.03 | Death_Barrel | bad argument "-requireidentify" |
| 23:53.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:53.12 | JeffM2501 | that was removed |
| 23:53.16 | JeffM2501 | it's now a perm |
| 23:53.27 | Death_Barrel | -requireperm ? |
| 23:53.29 | JeffM2501 | move spawn to the verified group |
| 23:53.30 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:53.39 | JeffM2501 | it's not a config thing |
| 23:53.41 | JeffM2501 | it's a group thing |
| 23:53.46 | JeffM2501 | are you doing groups? |
| 23:53.50 | Death_Barrel | how do i set that up? |
| 23:53.56 | Death_Barrel | to identify across bzbb ? |
| 23:54.02 | JeffM2501 | bzbb is default |
| 23:54.06 | Death_Barrel | ok good |
| 23:54.14 | JeffM2501 | make a groups file with the options you want |
| 23:54.19 | JeffM2501 | you realy shoudl read the man page |
| 23:54.51 | Death_Barrel | ok all good now |
| 23:54.57 | Death_Barrel | thx |
| 23:55.38 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, how can I live with out one of these? http://www.micronet.com/General/minimate.asp |
