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| 00:22.31 | spldart | Easy way to turn off all flags? |
| 00:22.59 | brad2901 | /flag up ? |
| 00:23.13 | spldart | isn't that only temp |
| 00:23.22 | brad2901 | yeah |
| 00:23.27 | spldart | I mean in map or conf in a permanent fashion |
| 00:23.31 | brad2901 | oh |
| 00:23.40 | uso_w | # ;) |
| 00:23.43 | brad2901 | well, just add a # |
| 00:23.44 | brad2901 | :) |
| 00:23.51 | brad2901 | at the start of the flags line |
| 00:24.52 | spldart | If I have no flag lines I will have no flags at all? |
| 00:25.06 | brad2901 | correct |
| 00:25.22 | brad2901 | except team flags |
| 00:26.36 | spldart | okies |
| 00:26.39 | spldart | lemme try that |
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| 01:04.22 | spldart | apparently it defaults to adding flags if I have no flag lines in my conf file |
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| 01:48.15 | monkeymoron9 | hello |
| 01:48.24 | monkeymoron9 | hello??? |
| 01:48.38 | monkeymoron9 | hey? |
| 01:51.46 | blast007 | wow...patient... |
| 01:56.07 | spldart | Ow |
| 01:56.10 | spldart | My ears |
| 01:56.13 | spldart | cut that out |
| 01:56.29 | spldart | Tanks explosions are quieter |
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| 02:10.55 | spldart | I think I'm done. Cyah guys around |
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| 02:28.26 | uso | anyone has tested loumans camelot? |
| 02:29.16 | uso | i get this large area blinking again with depth buffer on |
| 02:29.38 | uso | depth buffer off fixes it, but drops down frame rate to 5 fps |
| 02:30.56 | uso | also roaming movement in observer mode was broken, i afraid map is overwriting something inside bzflag |
| 02:32.24 | uso | besides this problems a really nice map |
| 02:32.54 | uso | *these |
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| 02:40.34 | blast007 | uso: observer controls work fine for me |
| 02:41.27 | blast007 | as far as the other problem, I would have to try on my other computer..this one can barely run that map |
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| 03:15.27 | uso | blast007: have done some snapshots, http://uso.ath.cx/bzflag, camelot* |
| 03:16.56 | blast007 | uso: wow, that's really strange |
| 03:17.09 | blast007 | I've never seen that before though |
| 03:18.18 | uso | have these blinking on a couple of servers, introduced somewhere between 2.0.0 and 2.0.3 |
| 03:18.28 | blast007 | closest thing for me is when I play on here in hardware mode, and some of the textures swap around |
| 03:18.56 | blast007 | but this looks like the same textures, just with different colors |
| 03:19.12 | uso | must have to do something with depth buffer, as it is gone with depth buffer set to off |
| 03:19.27 | uso | yes, it is a kind of color cycling |
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| 03:38.12 | uso | observer movement seems to be scrambled only one time, works now for me also |
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| 04:49.02 | cosmos | just got back from the Bill Maher set. funny show tonight |
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| 04:52.54 | jpa- | morning |
| 04:55.47 | cosmos | evening |
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| 05:08.06 | Tegan | hi |
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| 12:48.29 | Ice_Wewe | hey all |
| 12:48.39 | Ice_Wewe | back from Europe (man, that was a blast) |
| 12:48.49 | Ice_Wewe | my bzfs is acting up again |
| 12:49.36 | Ice_Wewe | ok bye |
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| 14:02.15 | rabbit25 | 1vs 1? |
| 14:02.18 | rabbit25 | anyone? |
| 14:02.31 | rabbit25 | for some fun? |
| 14:02.43 | rabbit25 | :rhyme: |
| 14:02.44 | rabbit25 | :) |
| 14:02.48 | blast007 | hehe |
| 14:03.08 | rabbit25 | you want to play? |
| 14:03.11 | rabbit25 | plez? |
| 14:03.32 | blast007 | too busy right now |
| 14:03.42 | rabbit25 | ok. |
| 14:03.46 | rabbit25 | :( |
| 14:13.44 | prop | jpa-, is the sniper server back up?-) |
| 14:15.43 | jpa- | prop: has it been down? :P |
| 14:15.56 | jpa- | it is just quite near the bottom on the list i think |
| 14:16.06 | prop | ok |
| 14:22.21 | rabbit25 | aa! |
| 14:22.39 | rabbit25 | i dont like being eaten... |
| 14:26.47 | menotume | yum, rabbit stew |
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| 17:30.08 | JeffM2501 | good lord, how hard is it to understand "please remove the 'free ipod' adds from your sig" |
| 17:32.21 | ToughShooter | It isn't that hard, you just need a brain that understands english |
| 17:33.03 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:33.15 | JeffM2501 | cbg is just REALY stubborn |
| 17:33.20 | JeffM2501 | and very neive |
| 17:34.49 | ToughShooter | I rather try to say only the good things. However some can really be cruel... |
| 17:35.30 | JeffM2501 | I'm just trying to fathom why somone would put them in there sig? |
| 17:36.04 | ToughShooter | ~dict fathom |
| 17:36.50 | JeffM2501 | or 1.8288 meters :) |
| 17:37.10 | ToughShooter | Perhaps being a fanboy |
| 17:37.31 | JeffM2501 | a fanboy of pyramid and spam scams? |
| 17:44.09 | JeffM2501 | ahh ya gota love a subwoffer that is good enought to knock over stuff on your desk :) |
| 17:45.07 | ToughShooter | My desk is always moving when I use 1/4 of max volume.. |
| 17:45.17 | JeffM2501 | as it should be |
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| 18:59.46 | JeffM2501 | anyone got a modeler that will smooth normals based on angle? |
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| 19:01.33 | jpa- | hi brad :) |
| 19:02.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: automatic detection of "hard" edges based on edges angles? |
| 19:02.19 | brad2901 | hi jpa0 |
| 19:02.19 | JeffM2501 | I know what angle to look for |
| 19:02.21 | brad2901 | hi jpa-* |
| 19:02.32 | JeffM2501 | want to smothe any faces that are less then 45 from each other |
| 19:02.47 | trepan | wings3d does that, pretty sure blender does too |
| 19:02.56 | JeffM2501 | trying to get blender now |
| 19:02.57 | jpa- | blender does too |
| 19:03.15 | jpa- | there is "autosmooth" under edit-menu |
| 19:03.26 | jpa- | (one can define angle) |
| 19:03.28 | JeffM2501 | and i'll export those normals? |
| 19:03.33 | JeffM2501 | into the obj? |
| 19:03.40 | jpa- | not sure |
| 19:04.00 | jpa- | hmm.. "i'll" ? |
| 19:04.09 | JeffM2501 | it'll sorry |
| 19:04.37 | jpa- | that is how i read it :P |
| 19:05.20 | JeffM2501 | trying to make this model |
| 19:05.21 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/power.obj |
| 19:05.25 | JeffM2501 | have smooth edges around the ring |
| 19:05.31 | JeffM2501 | yet sharp at the bevels |
| 19:06.59 | jpa- | maybe select the vertices you want the smooth apply to? |
| 19:07.41 | JeffM2501 | milkshape dosn't do it |
| 19:08.15 | JeffM2501 | and blender is taking forever to download |
| 19:08.24 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/Untitled-1.png |
| 19:08.38 | JeffM2501 | the normals are screwing up the env map :) |
| 19:08.52 | BenUrban | is that an on/off symbol? |
| 19:08.58 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:09.51 | JeffM2501 | cus it will look cool when it's done :) |
| 19:09.57 | BenUrban | heh |
| 19:10.29 | JeffM2501 | debug sphere |
| 19:11.08 | BenUrban | heh |
| 19:11.15 | BenUrban | you call that a sphere? |
| 19:11.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:11.27 | JeffM2501 | 3 slices 3 segements |
| 19:11.29 | BenUrban | it's more like a hexagon |
| 19:11.32 | JeffM2501 | simple way to draw a fast marker |
| 19:11.38 | JeffM2501 | gluSphere :) |
| 19:11.42 | BenUrban | heh |
| 19:11.45 | JeffM2501 | no sphere is a ever a real sphere |
| 19:11.50 | JeffM2501 | just an aproximation |
| 19:11.55 | BenUrban | it is in a raytracer :D |
| 19:12.00 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:12.13 | JeffM2501 | then the apoximation depth is the same as pixel space |
| 19:12.21 | BenUrban | well you're right |
| 19:12.21 | jpa- | sphere with radius 0 is a perfect sphere :) |
| 19:12.22 | JeffM2501 | so its close enough |
| 19:12.25 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 19:13.14 | JeffM2501 | that would be a degenerate sphere |
| 19:13.24 | BenUrban | so? still a sphere |
| 19:13.33 | JeffM2501 | techincaly no |
| 19:13.42 | JeffM2501 | it would be a singularity |
| 19:13.47 | JeffM2501 | being in all places at once |
| 19:14.07 | JeffM2501 | and yet nowhere at the same time |
| 19:14.12 | JeffM2501 | then it would asplod |
| 19:14.45 | jpa- | blah :) |
| 19:14.46 | BenUrban | a sphere is defined as the set of all points in a space that are a certain distance from a center point |
| 19:14.58 | BenUrban | if that distance is zero, it's still a sphere |
| 19:15.10 | jpa- | do you always have to prove that i am wrong? :) |
| 19:15.14 | JeffM2501 | actualy it is a surface |
| 19:15.17 | JeffM2501 | it has no points |
| 19:15.28 | JeffM2501 | anything with "points" is an aproximation |
| 19:15.37 | jpa- | it is one point. |
| 19:15.42 | JeffM2501 | but it's a purely mathamatical concept |
| 19:15.42 | BenUrban | heh, you're talking practically |
| 19:15.54 | JeffM2501 | so what the hell is the point of it |
| 19:15.59 | BenUrban | a pre matematical concept can contain an infinite number of points |
| 19:16.08 | BenUrban | :) |
| 19:16.17 | BenUrban | s/pre/pure |
| 19:16.20 | BenUrban | damn broken u key |
| 19:16.26 | JeffM2501 | so I asume noone can fix my model |
| 19:16.41 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 19:16.48 | BenUrban | stop changing the sbject! |
| 19:16.55 | BenUrban | :D |
| 19:17.54 | JeffM2501 | don't see anything with smoothing or normals in wingz |
| 19:18.05 | JeffM2501 | but then I have no clue how to use it ether :) |
| 19:18.47 | trepan | in body mode 'B', use the autosmooth tab |
| 19:19.06 | trepan | but that model doesn't import well... into wings or blender |
| 19:19.14 | trepan | needed to be cleaned up for both |
| 19:19.16 | JeffM2501 | tab? |
| 19:19.22 | JeffM2501 | imports fine for me |
| 19:19.52 | trepan | sry, not tab, option in the RMB listing |
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| 19:22.41 | JeffM2501 | milkshape shows it having 1.5k faces, where wings says 38k |
| 19:22.45 | JeffM2501 | 3.8k |
| 19:22.48 | JeffM2501 | oddd |
| 19:23.30 | JeffM2501 | but time to go |
| 19:25.23 | trepan | i had to remove doubles in blender first, then it has 1532 faces when imported in wings |
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| 20:03.33 | _Manu_ | linuxclub, ciao! |
| 20:04.18 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 20:04.21 | linuxclub | ohi :) |
| 20:05.00 | linuxclub | _Manu_, have you been able to see the image of the club? |
| 20:08.46 | _Manu_ | linuxclub, not yet.. tomorrow i'll install java 5 in this box.. :) |
| 20:09.51 | linuxclub | yeah !!! |
| 20:10.29 | linuxclub | http://linux-club.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=8 |
| 20:10.35 | linuxclub | this does not need java |
| 20:10.43 | _Manu_ | ah.. |
| 20:13.01 | _Manu_ | slow process :/ |
| 20:13.51 | _Manu_ | what's the album name? |
| 20:14.05 | linuxclub | all at the club :) |
| 20:14.22 | _Manu_ | ah.. := |
| 20:14.25 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:15.07 | linuxclub | http://linux-club.org/gallery/ << this link is more clean |
| 20:15.14 | _Manu_ | the server must be saturated... :( sloooowww |
| 20:15.14 | linuxclub | point to the same things |
| 20:16.03 | linuxclub | UML :) |
| 20:16.46 | linuxclub | I meant: UML :( User Mode Linux, shared |
| 20:16.49 | _Manu_ | now is fast :) |
| 20:17.59 | linuxclub | beingh UML, I don't know the other users how much CPU/network uses |
| 20:21.02 | _Manu_ | i'm impressed... i can read italian.. ;-p |
| 20:21.21 | linuxclub | hehe, both neo-latin language |
| 20:21.45 | _Manu_ | yep.. and i also studied latin := |
| 20:21.48 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:25.46 | _Manu_ | heh.. 3th spanish cinema cycle :) |
| 20:26.06 | linuxclub | one of our founder is spanish :) |
| 20:26.24 | _Manu_ | correction.. not spanish.. in spanish... :) |
| 20:27.10 | _Manu_ | ah.. but spanish from Spain? |
| 20:27.16 | linuxclub | yeah |
| 20:28.00 | linuxclub | dunno from where, I should ask |
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| 20:45.21 | uso | DTRemenak ping |
| 20:53.57 | uso | is there an attribute available if a player is zoned? |
| 20:55.37 | DTRemenak | uso: pong |
| 20:55.50 | DTRemenak | yes, there is |
| 20:56.16 | DTRemenak | grep for [zZ]oned |
| 20:56.27 | DTRemenak | should get it |
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| 20:58.25 | uso | hi DTRemenak, the shot reload timer is rendered too early, if a tank is burrowed the reload timer is obscured by the ground |
| 20:58.46 | DTRemenak | oh :) |
| 20:58.55 | DTRemenak | funny, I didn't think of that :) |
| 20:59.11 | uso | just saw it :) |
| 20:59.55 | cosmos | Yugi needs to be banned from bzbb. what a piece of crap |
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| 21:15.31 | uso | does +f PZ require any other option? |
| 21:16.25 | uso | probably got it while writing the question ... needs teleporter ;) |
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| 21:18.56 | uso | bzfs should drop a warning if you have PZ flags without teleporters ;) |
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| 21:37.45 | cosmos | state homepage competition? |
| 21:37.59 | cosmos | no wonder kids are so fat, they used to have state athletics competitions in my day |
| 21:39.34 | uso | anybody has thought a bit about behaviour of the "shadow world" of phantom zone introduced with 2.0? |
| 21:40.57 | uso | shouldn't zoned tanks and shots displayed different on radar too? |
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| 21:42.40 | lasindi | Hi, I upgraded my kernel from 2.6.10-ac12 to 2.6.11.7, and now BZFlag has sudden and long jitters when playing multiplayer (i.e., if you play alone on your own server, it runs fine). |
| 21:44.27 | cosmos | you have to compile bzflag into your kernel |
| 21:45.22 | lasindi | cosmos: What do you mean? Recompile under the new kernel? |
| 21:45.44 | cosmos | its more efficient. compile all the bzflag code into your kernel |
| 21:46.00 | purple_cow | lasindi: ignore him :P |
| 21:46.13 | lasindi | Is there a difference between simply compiling and "compiling into the kernel?" |
| 21:46.16 | cosmos | cmon its linux everything should be in the kernel |
| 21:46.30 | lasindi | O ... K ... |
| 21:46.41 | lasindi | cosmos: Which OS do you use? |
| 21:46.50 | cosmos | GEOS |
| 21:47.51 | lasindi | Well anyhow, what could be the problem? |
| 21:48.18 | cosmos | shitty network code in the new kernel? |
| 21:48.58 | cosmos | that SOB has more ips... |
| 21:49.37 | uso | 2.6 is too bloody at all :( |
| 21:50.15 | lasindi | Actually, I tried it with 2.4 and it still did it. |
| 21:50.28 | uso | speeking with debian terms 2.6 is not even unstable ;) |
| 21:50.33 | purple_cow | lasindi: are you sure it's the kernel? |
| 21:50.51 | purple_cow | by "your own server", do you mean localhost? |
| 21:50.56 | lasindi | Well, if I boot 2.6.11.7, as opposed to 2.6.10-ac12, it doesn't work. |
| 21:51.00 | cosmos | if it was working fine with 2.4, then you went to 2.6 and it didnt work but still didnt work when you reverted to 2.4 |
| 21:51.46 | lasindi | cosmos: It wasn't working fine with 2.4 |
| 21:52.01 | cosmos | what was it working fine with then |
| 21:52.18 | lasindi | ^ 2.6.10-ac12 |
| 21:54.08 | lasindi | ... so? |
| 21:54.20 | purple_cow | lasindi: by "your own server", do you mean localhost? |
| 21:54.26 | uso | lasindi: what do you mean with "multiplayer"? more than one player on a local server or playing on a public server? |
| 21:55.17 | lasindi | purple_cow: Yes. |
| 21:55.29 | lasindi | uso: I mean $ bzflag -solo 6 |
| 21:55.33 | lasindi | Or |
| 21:55.42 | lasindi | on an online server with lots of people. |
| 21:55.50 | lasindi | so, both. |
| 21:56.12 | purple_cow | lasindi: is there another machine there that you could run a server on? (testing over a LAN) |
| 21:56.46 | lasindi | purple_cow: It doesn't matter whether the server is local or not. |
| 21:57.09 | purple_cow | well, you said it works with localhost... |
| 21:58.14 | lasindi | purple_cow: Yeah, but others too. |
| 21:58.16 | uso | lasindi: so the number of players on a server is the only difference which make is work or not? |
| 21:58.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: let burrowed tanks see the entire shot reload indicator |
| 21:58.26 | DTRemenak | ~uso++ |
| 21:58.42 | uso | DTRemenak: fast fix :) |
| 21:58.50 | DTRemenak | uso: got distracted :) |
| 21:59.22 | DTRemenak | should have had it fixed an hour ago :) |
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| 22:00.01 | lasindi | uso: Hm, |
| 22:00.11 | lasindi | I don't know if it's the number of players, |
| 22:00.15 | lasindi | or just their presence. |
| 22:00.18 | lasindi | Let me try. |
| 22:02.13 | uso | DTRemenak: that's the difference knowing the code base :) |
| 22:02.36 | uso | i have had even a longer time to find where to suppress shots of zoned tanks |
| 22:03.27 | DTRemenak | heh. it was just moving four lines of code six lines down from where it already was, only took about 30 seconds. |
| 22:03.44 | uso | but i'm unsure how the behaviour SHOULD be ... |
| 22:03.46 | uso | hehe |
| 22:04.09 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 22:04.45 | DTRemenak | why don't you want zoned tanks to shoot? :) |
| 22:05.29 | uso | i don't want to see their shots on radar if i don't have PZ flag |
| 22:05.48 | uso | that's the easy case :) |
| 22:06.02 | lasindi | OK, the number of players doesn't matter. Also, if I play on a nonlocal server with zero other players, it locks up. Apparently it's any network activity that does it. |
| 22:08.32 | uso | lasindi: so the difference is about a local or a remote server? |
| 22:08.45 | uso | lasindi purple_cow: It doesn't matter whether the server is local or not. |
| 22:09.00 | lasindi | uso: No. |
| 22:09.04 | uso | somewhat contradictionary |
| 22:09.29 | lasindi | uso: Never mind, I'm gettting lockups alone on my local server. |
| 22:10.35 | uso | this sounds more like a gl or video driver problem |
| 22:11.51 | lasindi | Well, |
| 22:12.04 | lasindi | I can play America's Army (much more demanding) just fine, |
| 22:12.09 | lasindi | so that's what I'm wondering about. |
| 22:14.02 | uso | lasindi: yeah, i know, bzflag 2.0 seems to be much more fragile in video handling than other games on linux |
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| 22:16.15 | lasindi | uso: But it also happens with 1.0. |
| 22:17.09 | cosmos | heh new Superman movie star claims this is a much better movie than the original Superman movies with Christopher Reeve adding that "poor acting and lame effects ruined the first installments" |
| 22:36.44 | lasindi | Well, that's interesting. If I log in as a different user, it works fine. |
| 22:37.10 | lasindi | I already tried deleting my ~/.bzf directory, so that's not the issue. |
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| 22:46.48 | lasindi | Alright, so if I play from any virtual terminal other than vty7, it works fine. |
| 22:47.09 | cosmos | Ghost in the Machine |
| 22:47.15 | lasindi | ? |
| 22:47.18 | lasindi | What do you mean? |
| 22:51.54 | lasindi | cosmos: What do you mean by a ghost? |
| 22:52.05 | cosmos | forget it it went right over your head |
| 22:52.05 | guu | I've never heard of it it went right over your head, cosmos! |
| 22:52.24 | cosmos | but fyi, its a good album by the Police ;) |
| 22:52.52 | lasindi | Oh. I thought I just didn't know enough about Linux or something. |
| 22:52.58 | cosmos | hahaha |
| 22:53.15 | cosmos | its a phrase, you had an oddity on one virtual terminal so i said you had a Ghost in the Machine |
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