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| 00:37.41 | ogami1972 | hi room- how can i lower my lag time? |
| 00:38.13 | brlcad | ogami1972: pay for a better network connection? |
| 00:38.43 | brlcad | ogami1972: are you running other network apps (like p2p/napster/gnutella/etc) |
| 00:39.18 | brlcad | instant messenger clients |
| 00:39.31 | brlcad | if you've got wired and wireless, get off the wireless |
| 00:40.01 | ogami1972 | i was listening to a stream- i unplugged from my router thinking that was it... |
| 00:40.24 | brlcad | you can play on servers that are closer to you |
| 00:40.30 | ogami1972 | i'll try listenin' locally-thanks! |
| 00:40.31 | brlcad | are you on a modem? |
| 00:40.37 | ogami1972 | no- cable |
| 00:40.56 | ogami1972 | hadn't thought abbout distance either...hmmm |
| 00:40.58 | brlcad | yeah, then just try servers that are closer to you |
| 00:41.16 | ogami1972 | supercool- see you there... |
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| 00:41.37 | brlcad | another day, another disgruntled customer |
| 00:41.44 | wegstar | heh |
| 00:49.08 | Grumbler | whoa, brlcad back from hiding |
| 00:51.33 | brlcad | it ain't true |
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| 02:20.14 | bzflagwiz | I'm trying to compile BZFlag on Suse 9.2 Pro, but configure tells me that client generation is disabled because it can't find gl.h |
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| 02:27.20 | wegstar | hmm |
| 02:28.55 | bzflagwiz | someone else reported this problem with suse9.2 on bzbb forums, but there was no solution posted... |
| 02:30.48 | wegstar | did it show which file? |
| 02:31.41 | bzflagwiz | configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully availab |
| 02:31.41 | bzflagwiz | le (missing gl.h) |
| 02:31.41 | bzflagwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.06 | wegstar | o |
| 02:32.43 | bzflagwiz | but glxinfo looks fine, and I get the expected FPS for glxgears (meaning that acceleration is enabled) |
| 02:36.07 | wegstar | may be a header issue.. :/ |
| 02:36.51 | trepan | ./autogen.sh, and check your config.log |
| 02:39.59 | bzflagwiz | I ran autogen.sh - what should I look for in config.log |
| 02:40.27 | bzflagwiz | hmmm |
| 02:40.49 | bzflagwiz | ok... reports conftest.cc:58:19: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:41.01 | bzflagwiz | makes sense...where do I get gl.h from then? |
| 02:41.09 | bzflagwiz | do I need a new mesa? |
| 02:41.13 | wegstar | they're opengl headers... |
| 02:41.14 | trepan | do you have a gl.h file? |
| 02:41.20 | trepan | locate gl.h |
| 02:41.26 | trepan | usually in /usr/include/GL |
| 02:41.36 | trepan | or /usr/X11R6/include/GL |
| 02:41.58 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:42.17 | bzflagwiz | I did find . -name gl.h from /usr - bupkus... |
| 02:42.32 | wegstar | ... |
| 02:42.34 | bzflagwiz | don't have locate command :( |
| 02:42.48 | bzflagwiz | which locate |
| 02:42.57 | bzflagwiz | doh ! wrong window :) |
| 02:43.49 | bzflagwiz | ah - got gle.h though... |
| 02:44.00 | wegstar | . |
| 02:44.00 | bzflagwiz | perhaps a ln -s will do the trick... |
| 02:46.58 | bzflagwiz | nope - gle.h != gl.h... |
| 02:47.22 | bzflagwiz | OK - which package do I need to install to get gl.h ? |
| 02:47.31 | brlcad | mesagl-dev or somesuch |
| 02:48.12 | bzflagwiz | Suse9.2 pro has got to be the most crippled distro I've ever run into |
| 02:48.29 | brlcad | actually i thought that was debian stable |
| 02:48.39 | bzflagwiz | OK - ya got me there ;) |
| 02:49.03 | bzflagwiz | but I'll bet debian stable at least comes with automake, autoconf and autogen... |
| 02:49.37 | bzflagwiz | outdated though they may be... |
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| 03:26.40 | orange | so MeBigFatGuy, do you think you could talk that nice dbrosius fellow into coding up the 'admin pause' or /timeout command? :-) |
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| 03:55.46 | tanktop | i am having trouble getting the 2.0.2.20050318 sources to compile |
| 03:56.11 | tanktop | cpmpiling on debian linux |
| 03:56.15 | tanktop | compiling* |
| 03:56.23 | tanktop | configure fails, saying that gl.h isn't available |
| 03:56.25 | brlcad | mm.. tanktops |
| 03:56.44 | wegstar | ... |
| 03:56.51 | tanktop | looking in config.log, the error is simply: cc1plus: error: invalid option `dynamic-no-pic' |
| 03:56.51 | brlcad | you need the mesagl-dev package or somesuch |
| 03:57.03 | brlcad | ahh |
| 03:57.14 | tanktop | the 2.0.0.20050117 sources compile file |
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| 03:57.34 | brlcad | odd that it complains about that option |
| 03:57.41 | tanktop | yeah well... |
| 03:57.45 | brlcad | remove it from the configure.in file, rerun autogen.sh |
| 03:57.47 | tanktop | it's running on a computer, y'know |
| 03:57.54 | tanktop | "it" being what, the option? |
| 03:58.00 | brlcad | yep |
| 03:58.19 | tanktop | is this option a speed/size optimization? |
| 03:58.24 | tanktop | just wondering |
| 03:59.42 | brlcad | sort of |
| 03:59.57 | tanktop | would using -mno-pic be better/worse? |
| 04:00.08 | tanktop | better as in, less of an optimization, but still an optimization |
| 04:00.19 | brlcad | not quite the same, but it's not that important really .. just remove it |
| 04:00.48 | tanktop | okay |
| 04:00.53 | tanktop | just making sure that won't kill anything |
| 04:01.36 | tanktop | was that option added to g++ fairly recently? |
| 04:02.06 | brlcad | no |
| 04:02.27 | tanktop | yay, linker errors now |
| 04:02.42 | tanktop | /home/chris/bzflag-2.0.2.20050318/conftest.cc:107: undefined reference to `CGLGetCurrentContext' |
| 04:02.56 | brlcad | that's fine |
| 04:03.17 | brlcad | that's not your test |
| 04:03.17 | tanktop | fine, except that configure tells me that it won't build the bzflag client now |
| 04:04.03 | wegstar | nite all |
| 04:04.06 | tanktop | okay so |
| 04:04.13 | tanktop | why does configure not want to build bzflag then |
| 04:04.21 | brlcad | so look for the other gl.h test |
| 04:04.33 | brlcad | there are more than one |
| 04:04.41 | brlcad | the other one is also failing, that's the one you have to fix |
| 04:05.02 | tanktop | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopengl32 |
| 04:05.16 | tanktop | undefined reference to `pthread_key_create' |
| 04:05.16 | brlcad | most likely because you need -lpthread or you don't have the mesagl-dev package installed (or whatever the f' it's called on debian ;) |
| 04:05.40 | brlcad | ./configure LDFLAGS=-lpthread |
| 04:05.48 | tanktop | mesag-dev? |
| 04:06.26 | tanktop | okay that worked |
| 04:06.41 | tanktop | i seem to recall i needed to force linking to pthread in the other sources too |
| 04:06.46 | tanktop | i think i found it on google |
| 04:07.18 | tanktop | alright, thanks... guess i'll just be working on a project while it compiles |
| 04:07.35 | brlcad | brl-cad right? |
| 04:07.59 | tanktop | in reference to? |
| 04:08.09 | brlcad | a project |
| 04:08.26 | tanktop | no, i'm not that great as a doctor |
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| 04:09.25 | brlcad | DTRemenak is |
| 04:09.46 | brlcad | is confused ;) |
| 04:09.56 | DTRemenak | ain't that the truth |
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| 04:31.10 | orange | ok, then, how about a /swap command... /swap "player1" "player2"... they keep their score, but they get a huge warning, and then they are on opposite teams :-) |
| 04:31.24 | hellsspawn | does anyone know if mac and pc have the same servers? |
| 04:31.38 | tanktop | hellsspawn, i would guess they do |
| 04:32.18 | orange | /teamchange would do it too, but not if both teams are full |
| 04:32.20 | hellsspawn | like can you play the same game on botha amca nd a pc |
| 04:32.33 | tanktop | hellsspawn, do you think it would be much fun if you couldn't? |
| 04:32.35 | hellsspawn | sorry *mac and pc |
| 04:32.50 | tanktop | "hey, only-other-mac-user, let's play!" |
| 04:32.53 | orange | hellsspawn: you mean bzflag servers? Yes, same servers for all (mac, pc, linux, freebsd, solaris?, sgi, etc.) |
| 04:33.07 | tanktop | if servers were client-specific, mac users would be out in the cold |
| 04:33.11 | hellsspawn | right thanks |
| 04:33.42 | tanktop | can i send textual commands to the server in the bzflag client? the O command has a limited set to choose from. |
| 04:33.56 | tanktop | the O key rather |
| 04:34.02 | tanktop | in the default mapping |
| 04:34.15 | orange | n/lagstats |
| 04:34.26 | orange | n/whatever |
| 04:34.33 | tanktop | ah, so you can type commands in any chat input? |
| 04:34.38 | tanktop | or just "send to all"? |
| 04:34.42 | orange | njust send it as a normal message (actually you can send it to all, team, individual, whatever) |
| 04:34.53 | tanktop | right |
| 04:34.53 | tanktop | thanks |
| 04:34.56 | orange | ~n |
| 04:34.57 | ibot | i heard n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 04:35.19 | tanktop | ~hug |
| 04:35.21 | ibot | ACTION hugs tanktop |
| 04:35.38 | tanktop | eww |
| 04:36.05 | orange | what did you actually expect? |
| 04:36.29 | tanktop | well, i didn't expect that someone would have written a "hug" trigger |
| 04:37.17 | tanktop | hmm... |
| 04:37.30 | tanktop | okay yeah i'm done |
| 04:38.06 | brlcad | ~bzfrag tanktop |
| 04:38.08 | ibot | ACTION skewers tanktop with a super bullet |
| 04:38.33 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 04:38.36 | orange | brlcad barely drags this back on topic :-) |
| 04:39.58 | tanktop2 | HA! |
| 04:40.06 | brlcad | global ban's are by ip |
| 04:40.12 | tanktop2 | crap |
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| 04:40.42 | bz1483 | ~bzfquery dragonslair.dracos.org:5154 |
| 04:41.25 | brlcad | i suppose we could make a wildcard exception for a while |
| 04:42.20 | orange | an interesting attempt at DOS |
| 04:42.53 | orange | saw a nasty one today.. you've probably seen it... someone dropped an SR right in the middle of the enemy base |
| 04:43.13 | tanktop2 | haha |
| 04:43.38 | bz1483 | ~bzfquery dragonslair.dracos.org:5154 |
| 04:43.58 | tanktop2 | i've been dying to use SW on the enemy base after a capture, but i never have SW when someone captures |
| 04:44.16 | orange | it's a nasty habit, don't start it |
| 04:44.17 | tanktop2 | or when i do i'm on the other end of the map |
| 04:44.33 | orange | it leads to unproductive teamplay... individual glory only |
| 04:44.39 | orange | and besides it sucks |
| 04:45.07 | tanktop2 | yeah but it'd be hella fun |
| 04:45.50 | orange | so is crack, the first time |
| 04:46.03 | tanktop2 | i can't wait until bzflag has a voice network like xbox live... |
| 04:46.28 | orange | brlcad: would be a great option for server owners, for sure |
| 04:46.37 | tanktop2 | okay done compiling |
| 04:46.38 | tanktop2 | off to play |
| 04:47.00 | tanktop2 | lol |
| 04:47.11 | tanktop2 | how do global bans work, exactly? |
| 04:47.18 | brlcad | exactly? |
| 04:47.19 | orange | in return, take the anti-base-camping vows |
| 04:47.22 | brlcad | little gerbils |
| 04:47.24 | tanktop2 | is there some file on a webserver that servers query a lot? |
| 04:47.27 | brlcad | it involves little gerbils |
| 04:47.34 | tanktop2 | i have gerbils |
| 04:47.46 | brlcad | not your gerbils, our gerbils |
| 04:48.10 | tanktop2 | my gerbils can beat up your gerbils |
| 04:48.19 | brlcad | yes, servers query the master ban list via a web server |
| 04:48.32 | brlcad | not likely, we have monkeys to protect them |
| 04:48.48 | brlcad | the fling poo at and eat other gerbils |
| 04:48.48 | tanktop2 | my dog will eat your monkeys first then |
| 04:48.55 | Aribeth_away | and evil Aribeth |
| 04:49.00 | orange | man, have you ever seen monkeys fight? |
| 04:49.13 | brlcad | not many dogs could take on a full grown monkey |
| 04:49.17 | tanktop2 | nothing more entertaining than a pseudo-fight |
| 04:49.39 | Aribeth_away | monyey's can be mean |
| 04:49.46 | brlcad | and damn strong |
| 04:49.52 | brlcad | they're like all muscle |
| 04:50.22 | Aribeth_away | no dog in its right mind would tangle with a monyey |
| 04:53.51 | bz1483 | ~bzfquery bzflag.dracos.org:5154 |
| 04:54.04 | Aribeth_away | im no expert, but i have seen what they can do on the Discovery channels |
| 04:55.21 | brlcad | ~fling at bzflagwiz |
| 04:55.23 | ibot | ACTION flings forks at bzflagwiz |
| 04:55.52 | orange | what's all this drive-by bzfquery-ing? Isn't that why we have clients? |
| 04:56.27 | brlcad | got lucky that time ;) |
| 04:56.46 | orange | anybody seen a cheat where shots don't kill teammates? |
| 04:57.34 | bzflagwiz | orange: no - but I've thought before that would be an interesting option - some other FPSs work that way |
| 04:58.20 | orange | got a guy that's 174-60 with 2 tk's... on a high accidental tk map |
| 04:58.38 | orange | but I just watched him shoot a spot with a teammate and an enemy... enemy died, teammate did not |
| 04:59.30 | orange | shoots laser on the ground all the time without killing teammates... I just don't believe that can happen that many times |
| 05:01.36 | brlcad | unless all his teammates are running modified clients or they've modified the server, I don't see how it would be possible |
| 05:02.04 | brlcad | the server mod would not be a simple one either |
| 05:02.41 | brlcad | and the fact that you saw him shoot implies that it's not |
| 05:02.48 | bzflagwiz | and if he were ending his shots prematurely, he would get bitten by the endshotcredit thing... |
| 05:04.17 | orange | server is not modified |
| 05:06.36 | orange | yeah, it doesn't seem likely |
| 05:07.02 | orange | but man, those stats were so far off from realistic... other good players at grassroots are *very* hard pressed to stay below 10% tk's |
| 05:07.21 | orange | especially when you wander on the ground and fire lasers... that's instant teammate death at grassroots |
| 05:10.25 | jpa- | mroninh |
| 05:11.10 | bzflagwiz | haven't had your first cup of coffee, eh? |
| 05:11.51 | jpa- | nope |
| 05:11.58 | jpa- | just woke up |
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| 05:14.39 | bzflagwiz | for the record, I still hate SuSE 9.2 Pro - still can't get opengl configured *correctly* |
| 05:18.19 | bzflagwiz | configure:8872: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.cc -lopengl32 -lm >&5 |
| 05:18.19 | bzflagwiz | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.4/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lopengl32 |
| 05:18.19 | bzflagwiz | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 05:18.40 | brlcad | that's not your test |
| 05:18.56 | brlcad | your test will be using -lgl |
| 05:19.58 | bzflagwiz | similar message for lglu32, is that it? |
| 05:20.00 | trepan | or -lGL (depending on how picky your search function is) |
| 05:20.25 | bzflagwiz | configure:8872: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.cc -lopengl32 -lm >&5 |
| 05:20.25 | bzflagwiz | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.4/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lopengl32 |
| 05:20.25 | bzflagwiz | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 05:20.56 | bzflagwiz | oops |
| 05:20.59 | bzflagwiz | configure:8977: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.cc -lGL -lGL -lm >&5 |
| 05:20.59 | bzflagwiz | /tmp/ccSBY1QO.o(.text+0x27): In function `main': |
| 05:20.59 | bzflagwiz | /root/bzflag/conftest.cc:62: undefined reference to `gluScaleImage' |
| 05:21.25 | bzflagwiz | ctrl-c doesn't copy when in Konsole :) |
| 05:22.35 | bzflagwiz | my references to gl.h in configure are to <OpenGL/gl.h> and <GL/gl.h> |
| 05:22.35 | brlcad | heh, interesting.. it wants GL and glu apparently |
| 05:22.52 | brlcad | this has nothing to do with the headers |
| 05:22.56 | bzflagwiz | but gl.h is there... |
| 05:22.59 | bzflagwiz | ok |
| 05:23.13 | brlcad | try ./configure LIBS=-lglu |
| 05:24.14 | bzflagwiz | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 05:24.53 | brlcad | hrm,well that was no good |
| 05:25.20 | brlcad | redo it without that and see if the next test after gluScaleImage fails |
| 05:25.34 | brlcad | not the one with -lGL, but the one with -lGLU |
| 05:25.34 | bzflagwiz | I'm almost thinking it might be faster to download a new distro and install that than try to get this garbage working :) |
| 05:27.52 | bzflagwiz | the next one is ok (lncurses) but the one after that fails |
| 05:28.02 | bzflagwiz | gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -framework SDL conftest.c -lGL -lm >&5 |
| 05:28.02 | bzflagwiz | gcc: SDL: No such file or directory |
| 05:28.02 | bzflagwiz | cc1: error: unrecognized option `-framework' |
| 05:28.36 | brlcad | wrong test |
| 05:29.05 | bzflagwiz | sorry - lGLU fails too |
| 05:29.15 | brlcad | why don't you just paste the output to configure to pastebin or something |
| 05:29.17 | bzflagwiz | I looked for the one AFTER lGLU :( |
| 05:29.38 | bzflagwiz | ok - gotta set one up... |
| 05:30.39 | brlcad | set one what up? |
| 05:30.43 | brlcad | pastebin.com |
| 05:31.24 | bzflagwiz | never used it before, thought maybe it needed registration/setup |
| 05:32.45 | bzflagwiz | ugh - gotta configure Konsole to keep more lines of output... |
| 05:36.48 | bzflagwiz | http://pastebin.com/271045 |
| 05:39.07 | bzflagwiz | hrm - it chopped off a whole bunch of the post... |
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| 05:41.46 | jpa- | mornign cods_ |
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| 06:37.01 | orange | when the keyboard was 'crippled' to make non-instantaneous speed changes, what was the motivation? |
| 06:37.26 | orange | was anyone part of that decision that is here? |
| 06:37.43 | orange | (I am not complaining, I am just asking... I'm not a kb player) |
| 06:38.25 | ruskie | prolly meant for ppl to not do extreme speed changes |
| 06:39.55 | orange | it seems very relevant with regards to the recent flap about mouse acceleration |
| 06:40.04 | ruskie | ? |
| 06:40.26 | orange | some players max out their mouse acceleration, giving them instantaneous speed changes |
| 06:40.34 | ruskie | ouch |
| 06:40.39 | ruskie | so that's how they do it |
| 06:40.57 | orange | but I wonder if the keyboard changes were also related to any other bug in handling of player update messages |
| 06:41.12 | orange | if the changes were "too fast" for the player updates to keep up |
| 06:41.21 | orange | so I wondered who decided to make the change, and why |
| 06:41.41 | orange | because most people agree it's not cheating to do that with your mouse... it's not a hack of the client |
| 06:42.08 | orange | but that it may be tickling a bug, or against the spirit of the game |
| 06:42.35 | orange | when I heard the keyboard handling was changed, I wondered why |
| 06:42.48 | orange | I'm watching a person who uses that with QT now, and I swear it's like they're on crack |
| 06:45.06 | ruskie | cute |
| 06:45.26 | orange | is there any way to search cvs comments? |
| 06:45.30 | orange | on sourceforge? |
| 06:49.01 | ruskie | no clue |
| 06:51.38 | orange | Chestal: you around? |
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| 07:39.14 | ruskie | does sdl in bzflag still grab full keyboard focus? |
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| 09:00.24 | ToughShooter | !seen Aribeth |
| 09:00.24 | guu | ToughShooter: Aribeth was last seen here 4 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes, and 4 seconds ago saying: <Aribeth> get smashed with gentoo |
| 10:24.25 | ruskie | mmm nice game... |
| 10:24.36 | ruskie | really like the cvs clients option of showing each shot as it reloads... |
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| 13:29.08 | Thumper_ | are hostbans supported yet? |
| 13:29.36 | _Manu_ | supported yet? |
| 13:29.50 | Thumper_ | as in do they work... |
| 13:30.00 | _Manu_ | they are supported |
| 13:30.10 | Thumper_ | I can create them but it seems to drop all my bans when I do that |
| 13:30.20 | Thumper_ | but I'm running a cvs version from over a week ago |
| 13:30.49 | _Manu_ | let me check it.. |
| 13:31.31 | _Manu_ | all is ok |
| 13:31.53 | _Manu_ | use /hostban and /hostbanlist |
| 13:32.07 | Thumper_ | what about /banlist |
| 13:32.16 | _Manu_ | banlist is for bans.. not host bans |
| 13:32.27 | Thumper_ | hmmm |
| 13:32.39 | Thumper_ | can host bans be in the masterban file? |
| 13:32.43 | _Manu_ | for ban use: /ban /banlist and /unban |
| 13:32.55 | _Manu_ | i think not.. dunno really |
| 13:33.02 | Thumper_ | ok that's probably my problem |
| 13:33.17 | Thumper_ | are hostbans stored in the regular ban file? |
| 13:33.17 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 13:33.23 | Thumper_ | thx I'll play with that a bit |
| 13:33.27 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 13:33.38 | Thumper_ | if I do a /reload |
| 13:33.44 | Thumper_ | will it kick anyone on that has an active ban? |
| 13:33.53 | Thumper_ | like /ban does on initial ban? |
| 13:34.13 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.53 | _Manu_ | no |
| 13:34.57 | Thumper_ | thx |
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| 13:35.08 | _Manu_ | your bans are stored in a file |
| 13:35.21 | Thumper_ | yes they are |
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| 13:38.19 | Thumper_ | for a hostban of all of norang.ca what is the format? /hostban *.norang.ca ... or /hostban norang.ca ... ? |
| 13:38.37 | Thumper_ | norang.ca is my domain and I'm testing... |
| 13:38.39 | _Manu_ | i think your first one is ok |
| 13:38.43 | Thumper_ | thx |
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| 13:42.45 | Thumper_ | hehe is there a way to remove a hostban (other than by manually editing the ban file?) |
| 13:43.04 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.19 | Thumper_ | ah thx - tried /unban /unhostban ... |
| 13:43.24 | _Manu_ | k |
| 13:43.29 | Thumper_ | search man pages for hostban... still didn't find it :) |
| 13:43.58 | _Manu_ | no? mm |
| 13:45.12 | _Manu_ | yes.. there is in man bzfs |
| 13:45.33 | _Manu_ | UNBAN /unban /hostunban |
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| 13:48.31 | _Manu_ | well really not added.. only a reference in available permissions list.. :/ |
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| 14:09.02 | jpa- | morning Thumper_ |
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| 15:02.21 | gryzor | greetings |
| 15:02.27 | gryzor | how can one dodge guided missiles? |
| 15:02.42 | gryzor | i see bots are pretty good at it |
| 15:05.52 | blast007 | if you move perpendicular to the guided missile at full speed foward, it won't be able to turn fast enough to hit you |
| 15:10.04 | jpa- | depends on the server settings, though |
| 15:10.42 | jpa- | but yes, spinning around one who shoots is often a good way to dodge anything :) |
| 15:11.19 | jpa- | (except that you won't be able to shoot him, so you will eventually die..) |
| 15:14.40 | blast007 | I can typically kill them or get behind cover ;) |
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| 15:16.23 | BearPerson | I usually try getting them to target me and then run around them in circles |
| 15:16.37 | BearPerson | they can't hit me and my teammates can finish them off |
| 15:16.42 | BearPerson | or their teammates me ;-) |
| 15:16.49 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:17.18 | menotume | that works untill you run into a wall |
| 15:18.39 | blast007 | heh, if there was a wall, I would be running behind it, not into it |
| 15:18.41 | BearPerson | I know... then hope he's not shooting that moment and turn around ;-) |
| 15:18.58 | BearPerson | blast007, not if he's sitting on the wall or there's no way around it ;-) |
| 15:19.25 | blast007 | if he's sitting on the wall, he probably can't shoot you, as you would be too close |
| 15:22.31 | BearPerson | like (Un)Guided Missile... he's probably in here but I wouldn't know him... |
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| 15:25.08 | blast007 | well, for me, 'blast007' on irc == 'blast' on bzflag :) |
| 15:25.27 | BearPerson | :) |
| 15:26.30 | jpa- | actually, jpa rarely plays :) |
| 15:28.06 | BearPerson | bots are way different/worse/more boring than regular players though :) |
| 15:28.39 | gryzor | i play on LAN, not against bots :) |
| 15:28.42 | jpa- | they never privmsg you "IDIOT!!!! FUK U!" |
| 15:29.02 | gryzor | btw i dont think i'd be good enough to challenge any internet player |
| 15:29.22 | jpa- | that wouldn't be hard to implement.. :) |
| 15:29.22 | BearPerson | trust me, you are |
| 15:29.23 | jpa- | yes you would |
| 15:29.23 | gryzor | i suck |
| 15:29.24 | BearPerson | there are people sucking even more |
| 15:29.36 | gryzor | you don't know that ! :) |
| 15:29.56 | BearPerson | Ido |
| 15:30.01 | BearPerson | ;-) |
| 15:30.03 | jpa- | someone has to be the worst.. |
| 15:30.08 | BearPerson | true |
| 15:30.09 | jpa- | just think positive :) |
| 15:30.15 | BearPerson | but I don't think he is... |
| 15:30.27 | BearPerson | there are people who manage to get 26 deaths and no kills |
| 15:30.32 | BearPerson | even when they grab a GM |
| 15:30.45 | gryzor | i'm like that |
| 15:30.59 | gryzor | i'd even shoot myself with a GM |
| 15:31.03 | gryzor | :-P |
| 15:31.17 | blast007 | heh |
| 15:31.24 | blast007 | that takes skill! |
| 15:31.28 | blast007 | or a low FPS |
| 15:31.31 | blast007 | ;) |
| 15:31.34 | BearPerson | you should try playing online anyway ;-) |
| 15:31.41 | gryzor | yay, some day |
| 15:31.48 | gryzor | are there devs here? |
| 15:32.02 | tupone | nope :) |
| 15:32.22 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:32.40 | BearPerson | this is dev's meeting place (amongst other things) ;-) |
| 15:32.53 | gryzor | one thing sucks when playing on LAN. It is that bzflag tries to connect to the internet on some high port as soon as started. |
| 15:33.11 | BearPerson | probably trying to get the list server |
| 15:33.13 | gryzor | if your firewall blocks it (and drops it), youi're stuck for 120 seconds with a black screen |
| 15:33.15 | tupone | motd ? |
| 15:33.24 | BearPerson | I dunno |
| 15:33.29 | gryzor | which sucks big time. |
| 15:33.31 | tupone | -nomotd (?) |
| 15:33.48 | jpa- | bah.. i'll remove require register.. |
| 15:33.57 | jpa- | 0 abuse.. 0 players |
| 15:34.43 | BearPerson | gryzor, try starting it with -nolist |
| 15:35.24 | tupone | is not the listserver |
| 15:35.30 | gryzor | BearPerson: hm yes, ok. but if i may insist it sucks for people trying to run it without reading manpage :) |
| 15:35.31 | tupone | it s just the motd |
| 15:35.54 | tupone | I'm trying to fix it, be patient, a lot of it help :) |
| 15:36.00 | gryzor | some people might dislike the gampe for that and just consider it "doesnt work" |
| 15:36.08 | gryzor | tupone: cool! |
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| 15:57.54 | tupone | gryzor: if you have a good configuration of the dns or hosts the wait is a lot reduced |
| 16:08.54 | gryzor | what is a good configuration? :) |
| 16:09.07 | gryzor | point it to 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 16:10.39 | bz9237 | ~bzfquery 81.105.18.237:5154 |
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| 16:12.14 | bz9237 | ~bzfquery 81.105.18.239:5154 |
| 16:13.24 | blast007 | bz9237: is port 5154 open and forwarded? |
| 16:13.52 | bz9237 | Oh yes |
| 16:14.41 | bz9237 | Fowarded to where? |
| 16:14.58 | blast007 | forwarded to the computer inside the network running the server |
| 16:15.17 | blast007 | assuming you have a router |
| 16:15.26 | bz9237 | simple to start) |
| 16:15.30 | bz9237 | GRRR |
| 16:15.41 | bz9237 | It's running on the same machine as the firewall. |
| 16:16.06 | BearPerson | I don't get anything back from an UDP hping on that port:box |
| 16:16.49 | BearPerson | bzadmin BearPerson@81.105.18.237:5154 |
| 16:16.49 | BearPerson | Connecting to BearPerson@81.105.18.237:5154 |
| 16:16.49 | BearPerson | Error connecting to server. |
| 16:17.11 | bz9237 | It may be webmins inability to configure the rules file properly, will do by hand... |
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| 16:19.23 | jpa- | ~bzfquery box.kapsi.fi:50140 |
| 16:20.00 | uso_w | wow, jitter problem solved? |
| 16:20.06 | BearPerson | ~d |
| 16:20.08 | uso_w | or is it only gone from topic? |
| 16:20.12 | bz9237 | ~bzfquery 81.105.18.239:5154 |
| 16:20.35 | jpa- | ~bzfquery box.kapsi.fi:50140 |
| 16:20.59 | blast007 | bz9237: nmap gives me this: |
| 16:21.00 | blast007 | 5154/tcp filtered unknown |
| 16:21.00 | blast007 | 5154/udp filtered unknown |
| 16:21.35 | bz9237 | I'll have to check further up the hierarchy |
| 16:22.32 | bz9237 | IDIOT, the ports DNATed for bittorrent, DUH. |
| 16:22.54 | blast007 | heh :) |
| 16:23.21 | bz9237 | I setup a nat rule for bittorrent, so 5146 is being unwitting sent to another machine. |
| 16:23.35 | bz9237 | 5154* |
| 16:24.05 | blast007 | probably easiest to just change the bzfs port to something else then |
| 16:24.12 | bz9237 | ~bzfquery 81.105.18.239:5154 |
| 16:24.19 | bz9237 | YAY |
| 16:24.21 | blast007 | :D |
| 16:25.13 | BearPerson | ~bzfquery 81.105.18.239:5154 |
| 16:25.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/include/TimeKeeper.h: ws |
| 16:26.33 | jpa- | ~bzfquery box.kapsi.fi:50140 |
| 16:26.39 | jpa- | yay |
| 16:27.11 | orange | Chestal: I saw your name associated with some of the patches that changed keyboard behavior... specifically applying damped angle velocity changes |
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| 16:27.28 | orange | what was the motivation behind that change? Easier control? More realistic? Closer match to mouse? |
| 16:28.23 | blast007 | think that was done to make it easier to aim at other tanks when using the keyboard |
| 16:28.42 | blast007 | allowed finer adjustments |
| 16:28.49 | orange | yeah, interesting |
| 16:29.37 | Chestal | orange: uhm, I do not remember being part of the changes, maybe I fixed a bug in them? |
| 16:29.46 | orange | Chestal: maybe, yeah |
| 16:29.51 | Chestal | I couldn't care less about keyboard steering :-) |
| 16:30.12 | orange | "only use damping for angular velocity when using keyboard" was your note |
| 16:30.30 | BearPerson | maybe it was applied to mouse move too? |
| 16:30.38 | blast007 | yeah, it was |
| 16:31.09 | BearPerson | and mouse movement was supposed to be instantaneous, wasn't it? |
| 16:31.16 | blast007 | yup |
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| 16:45.41 | brlcad | orange: I applied those original changes for the dampening, it was for easier aim control |
| 16:46.06 | brlcad | input control was subsequently changed several times thereafter so it's not clear that it's even doing anything right now |
| 16:46.28 | brlcad | or i've just gotten so used to the dampening |
| 16:47.07 | brlcad | it was made to mimick the mouse controls as well since (at the time) you couldn't have an empty mouse box and going from one direction to the other took at least some time |
| 16:47.10 | Chestal | yay for ws changes which cause everything to be recompiled ;-) |
| 16:47.22 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:47.54 | orange | brlcad: just to be clear, I wasn't questioning whether they should be put in :-) |
| 16:48.50 | orange | I just thought it was relevant to the discussion recently about using super-accelerated mouse settings, which does give instantaneous direction changes |
| 16:49.11 | Chestal | is forward/backward also dampened with keyboard? |
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| 16:49.37 | brlcad | no, only angular velocity was affected iirc |
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| 16:55.04 | cosmos | http://tinyurl.com/6fu57 |
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| 17:34.52 | CBG | Hi all. When rinning bzfs, what does -c do? |
| 17:35.02 | blast007 | CTF mode I believe |
| 17:35.11 | CBG | Oh. ok. Thanks :) |
| 17:35.18 | blast007 | you can check what they all do by typing bzfs -help |
| 17:35.27 | CBG | I did that |
| 17:35.33 | CBG | but it just says what you can type |
| 17:35.39 | CBG | not what those things do. |
| 17:36.15 | blast007 | from bzfs -help: "-c: capture-the-flag style game," |
| 17:36.25 | CBG | eh? |
| 17:36.31 | CBG | I typed ./bzfs help |
| 17:36.39 | blast007 | you forgot the - |
| 17:36.44 | CBG | oh. |
| 17:36.48 | CBG | lol. ok. thanks. |
| 17:36.50 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 17:43.09 | BenUrban | i'm curious: has anyone considered changing the scoring system for bzflag? |
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| 17:43.27 | blast007 | change it how? |
| 17:43.38 | BenUrban | make points mean something |
| 17:43.40 | BenUrban | :) |
| 17:43.50 | blast007 | ? |
| 17:43.50 | BenUrban | scores are not remotely accurate |
| 17:44.12 | blast007 | sure they are...you kill someone, and get a point..just like most every other FPS |
| 17:44.12 | BenUrban | if you kill a newbie 100 times, you get 100 points |
| 17:44.22 | BearPerson | I know |
| 17:44.27 | BearPerson | we're thinking of it |
| 17:44.30 | BenUrban | if you kill a veteran 100 times, you get 100 points |
| 17:44.49 | BearPerson | also, the longer you play, your score goes >> -inf or >>+inf |
| 17:44.54 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 17:44.59 | BenUrban | mine is the former :P |
| 17:45.08 | BenUrban | but i consider myself to be fairly decent |
| 17:45.18 | BearPerson | mine too |
| 17:45.40 | BearPerson | I have a patch that considers (Wins-Losses)/(Wins+Losses) to be the score |
| 17:45.49 | blast007 | or you could just turn on the handicap feature... |
| 17:45.53 | ruskie | xpilot type scoring? |
| 17:45.54 | BenUrban | well anyway, in xpilot-style scoring, the points you get for killing someone depends on both your score and their score |
| 17:45.55 | BearPerson | that makes it fairly decent about that >>inf stuff |
| 17:46.09 | Chestal | yes, handicap is not so bad |
| 17:46.14 | BenUrban | handicap? |
| 17:46.21 | BenUrban | what does that do? |
| 17:46.29 | ruskie | BenUrban, so it makes it the more equal the socres the better you get for shot.. |
| 17:46.31 | Chestal | BenUrban: gives advantages to people with low score |
| 17:46.39 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 17:47.18 | BenUrban | i guess that would be what i'm talking about |
| 17:47.28 | BenUrban | sort of |
| 17:47.30 | Chestal | not quite |
| 17:47.39 | Chestal | if doesn't affect scoring, at least not directly |
| 17:47.41 | blast007 | handicap doesn't affect the scoring system |
| 17:47.47 | BenUrban | oh |
| 17:47.51 | Chestal | it tries to even out strength of players |
| 17:47.58 | BenUrban | then what does it affect? |
| 17:48.04 | Chestal | if you suck, your tank becomes faster etc. |
| 17:48.06 | blast007 | it just makes people with low scores move faster and turn faster I think |
| 17:48.07 | BenUrban | oh |
| 17:48.12 | BenUrban | interesting |
| 17:48.18 | BenUrban | that would be very bad for newbies |
| 17:48.27 | blast007 | ? |
| 17:48.35 | BenUrban | at least those without mice |
| 17:48.42 | blast007 | it gives new players an advantage |
| 17:48.50 | BenUrban | not quite |
| 17:49.00 | BenUrban | speed is only an advantage when moving in a straight line |
| 17:49.00 | Chestal | their shots gets faster, too |
| 17:49.05 | BenUrban | oh |
| 17:49.08 | Chestal | all configurable, though |
| 17:49.16 | BenUrban | i se |
| 17:49.17 | BenUrban | e |
| 17:49.42 | Chestal | speed is always good, but of course you are right, when people cannot handle their tank, speed improvements might make them lose even more control |
| 17:49.48 | blast007 | BenUrban: speed is not just an advantage when moving in a straight line... |
| 17:49.57 | Chestal | see quick turn flag |
| 17:50.11 | blast007 | let's say your are dodging a guided missile...extra speed lets you do so easier |
| 17:50.28 | BenUrban | blast007: a newbie would get hit by it anyway |
| 17:50.50 | blast007 | I'm not just talking about newbies now... |
| 17:51.01 | BenUrban | i hate the fact that it's unpredictable |
| 17:51.10 | CBG | Yeah... |
| 17:51.49 | orange | use it as a turbo transport... just move and jump and make it most of the way across the world in one hop |
| 17:52.06 | BenUrban | unless i'm trying to dodge in close quarters or trying to hit someone on their base in bzflag0.gamesunited.de, i avoid agility |
| 17:52.39 | BearPerson | you can also circle around players with agility and a 180 jump |
| 17:52.49 | CBG | yeah |
| 17:52.51 | Chestal | for scoring I would like to see a variant of good old ELO, couldbe worth a try |
| 17:52.56 | CBG | but its almost TOO fast... |
| 17:53.03 | BenUrban | what's ELO? |
| 17:53.20 | Chestal | a relative strength index, used by chess for example |
| 17:53.23 | BenUrban | ah |
| 17:53.25 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 17:53.29 | JeffM2501 | Electric Light Orchistra |
| 17:53.32 | BenUrban | that's the kind of thing i'm talking about |
| 17:54.04 | BearPerson | A beats B beats C beats A kind of thing? ;-) |
| 17:54.10 | BenUrban | for example, in xpilot, killing someone who has the same score as you gives you ten points (and takes away ten of theirs) |
| 17:54.11 | Chestal | it's not too difficult to do. Some detaisl would have to be sorted out |
| 17:54.31 | Chestal | if someone wants to test it, it coudl start as a server patch and could be displayed via a /command for starters |
| 17:54.55 | BearPerson | or as a scoreboard sorting thing ;-) |
| 17:54.56 | BenUrban | but if they have 1000 more points than you, you get about 15 points (and they lose 15) |
| 17:55.17 | blast007 | if scoring is changed, I would hope it would be optional and non-default ;) |
| 17:55.17 | BearPerson | that would be client-side... but the client would have to know who killed who and how many times |
| 17:55.34 | BenUrban | it can't be done entirely on the client side |
| 17:55.45 | Chestal | well, it could |
| 17:55.51 | BenUrban | in theory it can be done entirely on the server side |
| 17:55.53 | Chestal | but naturally, ELO calc would be put into server |
| 17:56.00 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 17:56.01 | orange | but the server would have to dump state to the client when they join |
| 17:56.08 | BenUrban | hmm? |
| 17:56.10 | Chestal | to display it seamlessly on the client, we'd need a protocol change, though |
| 17:56.16 | BenUrban | the server doesn't send the scores to the clients? |
| 17:56.28 | BenUrban | yeah...that's the big issue... |
| 17:56.36 | BenUrban | protocol changes are annoying |
| 17:56.38 | Chestal | but as I said, it can be easily tested by making it a list you have to give a /command to see |
| 17:56.39 | orange | there was talk of including time played as part of the calculation too |
| 17:56.44 | Chestal | to check, whether it actually works ok |
| 17:56.56 | BenUrban | ooh |
| 17:57.04 | BenUrban | interesting idea... |
| 17:57.04 | orange | server doesn't send scores to the player, does it? |
| 17:57.10 | BenUrban | it doesn't? |
| 17:57.13 | orange | it sends wins, losses, and tk's |
| 17:57.18 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 17:57.20 | BenUrban | didn't know that |
| 17:57.22 | BenUrban | lol |
| 17:57.23 | blast007 | ah, yeah... |
| 17:57.24 | orange | (unless I'm wrong :-) |
| 17:57.33 | BenUrban | the game is even less centralizes than i thought |
| 17:57.38 | BenUrban | *centralized |
| 17:57.41 | blast007 | it calculates the score by subtracting the losses from the wins |
| 17:57.48 | orange | so an ELO score could not be calculated without more "state" |
| 17:57.53 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 17:57.59 | orange | in this case, state would be the score :-) |
| 17:58.01 | BenUrban | it would need a protocol change in that case |
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| 17:58.10 | BearPerson | or enhancement |
| 17:58.28 | BearPerson | something the client can send to the server to ask for the new info |
| 17:58.31 | Chestal | ELO could also help in automatic team assignment |
| 17:58.40 | orange | chestal, amen |
| 17:58.47 | BenUrban | ooh |
| 17:58.50 | BenUrban | true |
| 17:59.04 | Chestal | it could even be persistent |
| 17:59.12 | Chestal | per server probably |
| 17:59.16 | orange | hook it up with bzbb? |
| 17:59.26 | orange | most players wouldn't like that either way :-) |
| 17:59.28 | BearPerson | does the bzflag protocol have a "for future use" part? |
| 17:59.30 | Chestal | I'm not sure a global number makes sense |
| 17:59.48 | Chestal | BearPerson: well, you can always introduce new mesasge types |
| 17:59.55 | BearPerson | like packets you can send that just get ignored if they aren't known |
| 17:59.56 | Chestal | those are ingored by older versions |
| 18:00.10 | BearPerson | doesn't the server kick you on an unknown packet? |
| 18:00.18 | Chestal | however, usually it does not make sense to mix old and new clients |
| 18:00.34 | Chestal | most features are mandatory |
| 18:00.56 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 18:01.01 | BenUrban | this one could be optional |
| 18:01.03 | BenUrban | sort of |
| 18:01.06 | blast007 | no ;) |
| 18:01.13 | Chestal | well, I see no problem really |
| 18:01.19 | Chestal | such a thign would need a lot of testing first |
| 18:01.31 | BenUrban | ...which would give players time to upgrade |
| 18:01.36 | Chestal | so do it in the non-obstrutive way I suggested |
| 18:01.39 | BenUrban | and servers too |
| 18:01.41 | Chestal | can later integrate itmore tightly |
| 18:01.49 | cosmos | hrm, Chestal we just had a "Chestal" logon to hepcat and spam nazi/racist slogans |
| 18:01.50 | orange | Chestal: as a start, the server could do it for autoteam |
| 18:02.09 | BearPerson | well, just don't give it any game influence |
| 18:02.13 | Chestal | cosmos: +/-? |
| 18:02.25 | cosmos | 83.198.246.118 |
| 18:02.32 | Chestal | I mean, was it registered? |
| 18:02.35 | cosmos | no |
| 18:02.44 | cosmos | just logged on and started yelling heil hitler and such |
| 18:02.59 | Chestal | hmm, French |
| 18:03.10 | BenUrban | french? |
| 18:03.10 | Chestal | whatever, thanks for the info |
| 18:03.16 | Chestal | that IP is from .fr |
| 18:03.17 | cosmos | those slimy french bastards |
| 18:03.24 | BearPerson | As long as it just changes the score display behavior it shouldn't break too much |
| 18:03.26 | BenUrban | oh french the country |
| 18:03.35 | BenUrban | (as opposed to the language) |
| 18:03.37 | jpa- | ban *.fr :) |
| 18:03.40 | BearPerson | and that's all that it should do in the beginning, right? |
| 18:03.41 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 18:03.42 | blast007 | BenUrban: no, France the country ;) |
| 18:03.51 | BenUrban | lol blast007 |
| 18:04.05 | Chestal | BearPerson: IMHO the /elo or whatever is good enough in the beginning |
| 18:04.15 | Chestal | might even be better, because you can test it without peopel knowing it's there :-) |
| 18:04.18 | jpa- | no, frenchman the person :) |
| 18:04.22 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.48 | Chestal | anyway, I'm off, cu |
| 18:04.52 | BenUrban | heh, speaking of racism... |
| 18:04.52 | BearPerson | Chestal, so the server would basically keep a kill matrix... |
| 18:05.00 | bryjen | what's the term for prejudice against a country? |
| 18:05.04 | BenUrban | BearPerson: wouldn't even need that |
| 18:05.05 | cosmos | btw |
| 18:05.07 | cosmos | im french |
| 18:05.10 | BenUrban | bryjen: heh, no clue |
| 18:05.18 | cosmos | :) |
| 18:05.30 | BearPerson | I'm german and keep complaining about all the german scriptkiddies too :) |
| 18:05.36 | BenUrban | cosmos: then take a bath you smelly french bastard :) |
| 18:05.44 | BearPerson | I'm not a scriptkiddie though |
| 18:07.04 | jpa- | there is a little scriptkiddie inside everyone of us :) |
| 18:07.28 | ToughShooter | nope, nothing but a n00b inside me |
| 18:07.49 | jpa- | ToughShooter: then you are not a part of us |
| 18:08.49 | DTRemenak | jpa-: are you saying there's a script kiddie inside of you? that explains some things... ;) |
| 18:09.44 | blast007 | dang, I guess I _do_ have a little script kiddie in me....looking at the Wikipedia description ;) |
| 18:09.49 | BearPerson | it explains the strange files on your HD ;-) |
| 18:09.55 | BenUrban | lol |
| 18:10.04 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Yup, not being part of jpa, jpa_ and jpa- |
| 18:10.18 | jpa- | awwww.. he's gaining power! |
| 18:10.41 | BearPerson | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/script-kiddies.html |
| 18:10.52 | BearPerson | that's my definition of script kiddie |
| 18:11.25 | blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddie |
| 18:12.33 | BearPerson | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html |
| 18:12.48 | BearPerson | eek, the wikipedia uses the _wrong_ definition of hacker |
| 18:13.51 | BenUrban | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.53 | BenUrban | heh |
| 18:13.55 | BenUrban | deprecated |
| 18:14.01 | BenUrban | never saw that in a dictionary before :P |
| 18:14.40 | bryjen | the second entry for script kiddie in the jargon file sounds sooo much like the kids who come here wanting to make maps or run a server |
| 18:15.39 | BenUrban | heh |
| 18:16.04 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 18:17.07 | jpa- | heheh |
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| 18:27.04 | [dmp] | ~logs |
| 18:27.05 | ibot | logs is probably http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 18:28.45 | Grumbler | ~beer |
| 18:28.46 | ibot | beer is, like, ummm, ummm good!, or good for you! |
| 18:30.22 | bryjen | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/20/beer_fights_cancer/ |
| 18:31.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/common.vcproj: cURLManager |
| 18:32.26 | Grumbler | DNA damage to their liver, lungs and kidneys was reduced by up to 85 per cent if the mice drank non-alcoholic beer instead of water |
| 18:32.47 | Grumbler | who does a study with non-alcoholic beer........ |
| 18:33.34 | bryjen | "Scientists at Okayama University in Japan..." The Japanese, apparently ;) |
| 18:33.50 | Grumbler | har har |
| 18:33.58 | cosmos | i should do my taxes |
| 18:34.08 | Grumbler | might be a good idea |
| 18:34.19 | Grumbler | although, you have one more day |
| 18:34.20 | cosmos | yeah they owe me 18k |
| 18:35.11 | Grumbler | for 18k, i think you should march on congress and demand the sum. |
| 18:36.02 | cosmos | heh |
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| 18:44.36 | ToughShooter | Is nutella good against cancer, too? |
| 18:44.44 | ToughShooter | ~nutella |
| 18:44.45 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, nutella is good |
| 18:44.59 | jpa- | yes |
| 18:45.04 | jpa- | nutella is good for anything |
| 18:45.05 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:45.11 | ruskie | not really |
| 18:45.34 | jpa- | except, it doesn't work very well between heatsink and processor.. |
| 18:45.38 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:46.45 | jpa- | but it tastes so good that one wouldn't waste it by putting it there.. |
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| 18:50.27 | eva-00 | hello |
| 18:50.36 | eva-00 | someone speak french ? |
| 18:50.46 | YuMmY | ya |
| 18:50.55 | cosmos | merde |
| 18:50.56 | YuMmY | oui |
| 18:50.59 | Grumbler | ~jpa- |
| 18:51.00 | eva-00 | :) |
| 18:51.09 | eva-00 | j'aimerais savoir.. |
| 18:51.19 | eva-00 | ...comment on fait pour faire un serrveur bzflag |
| 18:51.24 | eva-00 | serveur* |
| 18:51.31 | YuMmY | win, linux ou osx ? |
| 18:52.01 | eva-00 | inux |
| 18:52.04 | eva-00 | linux* |
| 18:52.17 | ToughShooter | Grumbler: Did you meant "~karma jpa-"? |
| 18:52.31 | YuMmY | ./bzfs <option> .. pour les options ./bzfs -h |
| 18:52.37 | Grumbler | nope, just wondered if the nutella reference was still there ToughShooter |
| 18:53.31 | eva-00 | c'est quoi ./bzfs <option> ? |
| 18:53.52 | jpa- | ~jpa |
| 18:53.53 | eva-00 | $ |
| 18:54.04 | YuMmY | bzfs c'est le binaire .. l'application quoi .... les options y'en a plein selon ce que tu veux faire |
| 18:54.06 | jpa- | ~jpa_ |
| 18:54.07 | ibot | jpa_ is probably an evil master whose primary goal is to take a karma lead over SportChick or to get free jars of Nutella......only time will tell...huaaahhhha |
| 18:54.27 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:54.31 | ruskie | ~ruskie |
| 18:54.38 | ruskie | hmmm no pun there... :( |
| 18:55.09 | jpa- | ibot: ruskie is someone who wants to be known but has done nothing to be known for |
| 18:55.11 | ibot | okay, jpa- |
| 18:55.20 | BearPerson | ~ruskie |
| 18:55.21 | ibot | hmm... ruskie is someone who wants to be known but has done nothing to be known for |
| 18:55.24 | BearPerson | ~42 |
| 18:55.26 | ibot | it has been said that 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 18:55.38 | jpa- | ~calc 6*9 |
| 18:55.47 | jpa- | :/ |
| 18:56.05 | ruskie | jpa-, lol... I did a lot of stuff... but most of all I want to take over the world using rubybots... |
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| 18:57.06 | eva-00 | et tu le trouve oł ./bzfs <option> ?? |
| 18:57.18 | eva-00 | ou* |
| 18:57.31 | ruskie | hmmm could this channel handle another bot? |
| 18:58.03 | jpa- | it has two already :) |
| 18:58.12 | jpa- | and i don't think we need any more |
| 18:58.24 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:58.26 | ToughShooter | ROTFL...http://users.skynet.be/fa001435/video/renduquicktimeleger.mov |
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| 19:01.51 | ToughShooter | The funny thing is the end, IMHO |
| 19:03.25 | Grumbler | cute |
| 19:03.44 | blast007 | it's quicktime |
| 19:03.47 | Grumbler | ....and speakers wouldnt really change things |
| 19:03.53 | blast007 | and I don't bloat my computer with quicktime ;) |
| 19:04.36 | ruskie | I think mplayer could run it... |
| 19:04.58 | blast007 | if you have quicktime installed |
| 19:05.13 | blast007 | or at least the Quicktime Alternative |
| 19:05.23 | jpa- | mplayer does play it |
| 19:05.27 | ToughShooter | blast007: QT for Macs is good :) |
| 19:05.28 | jpa- | for me, atleast |
| 19:06.32 | blast007 | jpa-: do you have quicktime installed? |
| 19:07.08 | jpa- | i don't know :) |
| 19:07.16 | jpa- | i have just done emerge mplayer i think :) |
| 19:07.17 | Grumbler | hmm, 3.6ghz, pci-e, $869.....tempting |
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| 19:09.34 | blast007 | jpa-: for me, Media Player Classic said it can't play it ;) no codec |
| 19:09.53 | jpa- | well, mplayer != mpc |
| 19:10.00 | jpa- | not equal by any means :D |
| 19:10.18 | blast007 | yeah, mpc is better |
| 19:10.25 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:11.06 | jpa- | no no no |
| 19:11.13 | jpa- | mplayer != media player either :) |
| 19:11.33 | blast007 | oh, the old old old one? |
| 19:11.42 | jpa- | no no no |
| 19:11.51 | blast007 | I don't have 'mplayer' on here |
| 19:11.55 | jpa- | mew petteri $ mplayer --version |
| 19:11.55 | jpa- | MPlayer 1.0pre5try2-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team |
| 19:11.58 | blast007 | just 'mplayer2.exe' |
| 19:12.13 | blast007 | ah |
| 19:12.41 | blast007 | a linux one ;) |
| 19:12.46 | jpa- | yes :) |
| 19:13.15 | blast007 | "MPlayer is seriously threatened by software patents due to the numerous patented multimedia techniques" :( |
| 19:16.00 | Chestal | so should be all of the mp3 stuff, no? |
| 19:16.37 | jpa- | not commercial ones :) |
| 19:16.44 | Tupone | you still have mp3. I thought you were full ogg |
| 19:16.51 | Chestal | I am :-) |
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| 19:17.56 | _Manu_ | at now, software patents in Europe aren't legals |
| 19:18.16 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:23.00 | menotume | nyes, Chestal is an ogghead |
| 19:23.11 | ruskie | so is me :) |
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| 19:24.55 | blast007 | "An OGM file, or a file with the extension .ogm, is an Ogg Media File. Like DVDs, OGM files can have switchable subtitle(s). The video part of our OGM files has been encoded with XviD, and the audio part has been encoded with Ogg Vorbis." |
| 19:25.35 | ToughShooter | ~slap XviD |
| 19:25.38 | ibot | ACTION slaps XviD, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:25.41 | Grumbler | well, what do you think you heard....Jim! |
| 19:26.01 | ToughShooter | Xvid is registering itself as codec for DivX, too |
| 19:27.48 | ruskie | I prefer matroska |
| 19:30.00 | Chestal | matroska is probaby best |
| 19:30.06 | ToughShooter | matroska isn't a codec |
| 19:30.12 | Chestal | no, a container |
| 19:30.18 | Chestal | as is .ogm |
| 19:30.30 | Grumbler | http://www.retiwireless.org/numanumaye/2.php |
| 19:30.30 | Chestal | I'm using ogm though, myself |
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| 19:31.15 | ruskie | <-- uses matroska |
| 19:31.18 | Grumbler | http://www.retiwireless.org/numanumaye/3.php |
| 19:32.33 | Chestal | ruskie: s matroska open source stuff? Debian does nt seem to have tools for it |
| 19:32.48 | ruskie | it is |
| 19:32.51 | ruskie | it's by the same guy that amde ogm |
| 19:33.07 | ruskie | but this time with some more structure and such |
| 19:33.14 | Chestal | all I have is libmatroska-dev |
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| 19:34.04 | ToughShooter | "Loading....Please wait... " |
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| 19:34.37 | jpa- | braaaaaaaaaaad |
| 19:34.39 | jpa- | <33<33 |
| 19:35.07 | ruskie | Chestal, http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/ |
| 19:36.20 | Chestal | thanks |
| 19:36.41 | ruskie | I use ogg+xvid with mkv |
| 19:36.52 | ruskie | makes very nice encoding to 170mb |
| 19:37.55 | Chestal | the container probaby does not make much difference, I guess overhead with mkv could be a bit lower |
| 19:38.33 | Chestal | does mkv allow to cat things together reliably? Say, I have two AVIs, which make up one movie, can I easily build a single mkv from it? |
| 19:38.50 | Chestal | I'm using ogmcat for this now, which usually works despite all the nasty warnings :-) |
| 19:40.53 | uso_w | any of this already supports h264? |
| 19:41.54 | ruskie | Chestal, no clue most I did so far was reincode a ton of andromeda eps from 350 to 170 |
| 19:42.13 | Chestal | uso_w: that's a codec issue |
| 19:42.37 | Chestal | AFAIK there is one free AVC/h.264 codec named x264, I did a quick test with it without tunign parameters and the result was not so good |
| 19:42.42 | ruskie | but container was a diff in size |
| 19:42.51 | Chestal | snow codec gave much better low bitrate results, but it is sloooooow |
| 19:43.05 | ruskie | using the same settings for xvid and ogg both times |
| 19:43.27 | Chestal | do you have numbers comparing avi/ogm/mkv for same content? |
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| 19:44.42 | uso_w | but isn't xvid also a codec? |
| 19:45.05 | Chestal | yes |
| 19:45.06 | ruskie | xvid is a codec yes |
| 19:45.20 | Chestal | xvid is a plain mpeg4 codec, as is divx etc. |
| 19:45.55 | uso_w | so the question should have been could i use x264 inside of ogm or mkv? |
| 19:46.02 | Chestal | yes |
| 19:46.03 | Tupone | if one is a codec the other is a cedoc |
| 19:46.22 | ruskie | mkv and ogm are containers |
| 19:46.26 | ruskie | like avi |
| 19:46.34 | ruskie | basicaly you can put whatever into them |
| 19:47.03 | Chestal | the official container for mpeg4 is some for of quicktime, though, AFAIK |
| 19:47.23 | Chestal | I think the AVC COdec which ships with Nero produces that |
| 19:48.10 | Chestal | avc/aac into .mp4 |
| 19:50.09 | uso_w | i only red a test lately in a german journal where the two best codecs were h264 ones (x264 second best iirc) |
| 19:50.42 | uso_w | xvid were 3rd or 4th |
| 19:52.26 | Chestal | yes, a good 264 codec is supposed to outperform the plain mpeg4 codecs |
| 19:52.53 | Chestal | they clearly do so on 'objective' measures, but who cares for those, and everythigj else is subjective of course |
| 19:53.08 | Chestal | I think the main davantage comes at lower bitrates |
| 19:53.22 | Chestal | where normal mpeg4 will look ugly while h264 still looks ok |
| 19:54.18 | Chestal | if you're interested, look at http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/files/spinne/1/ thi is a very basic test I did with some codecs while convertign a HDTV mpeg2 stream |
| 19:54.35 | Chestal | this is by no means representative of course. The numer is the bitrate (in kbit/s) |
| 19:54.45 | Chestal | just the number is xvid |
| 19:54.55 | Chestal | and 9999 is the scaled down mpeg2 |
| 19:56.00 | Chestal | of course IMHO screenshots are not the right way to judge video |
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| 19:57.16 | hi | Hi all |
| 19:57.26 | brad2901 | hi hi |
| 19:57.39 | hi | Hey Hi im really Cedric |
| 19:58.02 | Grumbler | yes yes |
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| 19:58.56 | Cedric10 | k now |
| 19:59.05 | Grumbler | hi |
| 19:59.09 | Cedric10 | Hi |
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| 20:00.21 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:03.16 | uso_w | Chestal: you are right, x264 is somewhat disappointing, loses details |
| 20:03.40 | Chestal | maybe it needs parameter tuning, no idea |
| 20:03.46 | uso_w | where does this snow codec come from? |
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| 20:04.03 | Chestal | uso_w: not sure, I think it is a one man show and development is stalled |
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| 20:04.10 | Chestal | it comes with ffmpeg IIRC |
| 20:04.19 | Chestal | it uses wavelets |
| 20:04.39 | Chestal | IMHO it looks better than Nero AVC at a comparable bitrate in that scene |
| 20:04.47 | uso_w | yes |
| 20:05.06 | Chestal | problem is tht I cannot play that resolution with snow in realtime |
| 20:05.09 | Chestal | not even close... |
| 20:05.42 | Grumbler | hmmm, ghostbusters? |
| 20:05.58 | Chestal | spider man |
| 20:06.05 | uso_w | oh, than it's nothing for my old hardware ;-( |
| 20:06.17 | Chestal | what#s old? |
| 20:06.35 | Chestal | h264 needs a lot more processing power than xvid etc., too |
| 20:06.41 | uso_w | the snow codec |
| 20:06.41 | Chestal | but snow is much worse |
| 20:06.44 | uso_w | yes, i know |
| 20:07.22 | Chestal | I'd stick with xvid for now |
| 20:07.28 | uso_w | but encoding time is not that important |
| 20:07.40 | Chestal | decoding is slower, too, with h264 |
| 20:07.51 | uso_w | ah, ok |
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| 20:22.16 | Thumper_ | jpa-: good morning - from 6h13m ago |
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| 21:08.28 | RPG_ | hi |
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| 22:15.49 | Pimpinella | what is "mouse enhancement"? |
| 22:16.37 | Pimpinella | doc holiday complained he can't shoot nobody in duc because almost everybody would use that |
| 22:17.10 | orange | nothing special, just crank mouse acceleration up to full |
| 22:17.16 | orange | gives you instantaneous turns and direction changes |
| 22:17.50 | Pimpinella | hm, i can still shoot everybody, enhanced or not |
| 22:18.29 | Pimpinella | you'd have that benefits from keyboard too, no? |
| 22:18.47 | orange | Pimpinella: keyboard is damped |
| 22:18.50 | orange | slowed down changes |
| 22:29.44 | Tupone | orange: perhaps the A has selected melassa operation ? for key slowdown |
| 22:30.15 | Tupone | I don't remember any slowdown change in the code doing recently |
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| 22:52.25 | blast007 | the change was made quite a while ago |
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| 23:17.29 | [dmp] | ~logs |
| 23:17.30 | ibot | it has been said that logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
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| 23:19.35 | Carnage__ | got a question |
| 23:20.02 | Carnage__ | can u put a PCI-E in a PCI slot? |
| 23:20.35 | BenUrban | my boss told me today that it will only fit in a p4 motherboard |
| 23:20.42 | BenUrban | heh, what a coincidence |
| 23:21.06 | BenUrban | pci-e is that one with the extra section, right? |
| 23:21.33 | Carnage__ | dunno |
| 23:21.42 | Carnage__ | considering updating my old one |
| 23:22.05 | BenUrban | note that i said it might fit, not that it necessarily would work |
| 23:22.37 | blast007 | I would assume that you need a PCI Express slot |
| 23:23.49 | blast007 | espically considering that PCI Express provides a lot more bandwidth to the device, as well as more power |
| 23:24.20 | creeperz | word |
| 23:25.04 | Carnage__ | au. |
| 23:25.23 | Carnage__ | just got a pci 1 i think |
| 23:25.29 | blast007 | yeah, that won't work ;) |
| 23:25.42 | creeperz | PCI-E is just liek a PCI slot, but bigger |
| 23:25.44 | Carnage__ | u sure? |
| 23:26.03 | blast007 | creeperz: and isn't there like 3 or 4 sizes of them too? |
| 23:26.18 | creeperz | not that I know of, no |
| 23:26.51 | BenUrban | creeperz: about an inch bigger? |
| 23:26.51 | Carnage__ | dont i need a new mother board then? |
| 23:26.51 | BenUrban | Carnage__: yes |
| 23:26.51 | creeperz | Carnage__: yes |
| 23:26.51 | creeperz | :-) |
| 23:26.53 | blast007 | http://www.atmarkit.co.jp/fsys/kaisetsu/009pci_innovation/connector-l.jpg |
| 23:26.56 | Carnage__ | au |
| 23:27.14 | creeperz | BenUrban: im not sure exactly how much bigger it is |
| 23:27.17 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 23:27.24 | Carnage__ | blast so i can u a conector? |
| 23:27.25 | blast007 | 4 sizes :) |
| 23:27.29 | blast007 | no |
| 23:27.41 | blast007 | you use a new motherboard |
| 23:27.58 | blast007 | it's not an "upgradable" feature |
| 23:28.07 | BenUrban | ...unless you like soldering |
| 23:28.15 | BenUrban | and even then |
| 23:28.15 | Carnage__ | heh |
| 23:28.15 | creeperz | soldering wont cut it |
| 23:28.19 | creeperz | to delicate |
| 23:28.33 | blast007 | and you wouldn't have the controllers or anything ;) |
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| 23:28.39 | creeperz | thats true |
| 23:28.52 | creeperz | youd have to make your own periphial drivers :-) |
| 23:28.56 | BenUrban | hehe |
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| 23:32.52 | Carnage__ | im going to get a |
| 23:32.52 | Carnage__ | ATI Radeon 9250 PCI 256MB Video Card |
| 23:32.56 | Carnage__ | instead.. |
| 23:34.42 | Carnage__ | cya |
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